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I LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER
[1. Call to Order.]
IS A BUDGET HEARING FOR FISCAL YEAR 23.I APPRECIATE EVERYONE BEING HERE THIS MORNING TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS
[2. Presentation and Discussion of Preliminary Budget & Financial Plan for Fiscal Year 2022-2023.]
TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF A PRELIMINARY BUDGET AND FINANCIAL PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022 THROUGH 2023.UH, TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. RICK BETA LEAD US OFF AND RUN THE SHOW TODAY.
WELL, I WON'T WANT TO SHOW IT'S ALWAYS YOU W BUT I BRING A CAST OF CHARACTERS HERE TO HAVE A GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BUDGET HERE.
SO TODAY WE HAVE MANY OF OUR DEPARTMENT MANAGERS AND DIVISION, UH, LEADERS HERE.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION DISCUSSION, IT'S REALLY, WE HOPE A DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL, GET FEEDBACK, DIRECTION, THOUGHTS, COMMENTS.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH FINAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUDGET, THAT WILL WE'LL HAVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU.
SO I'M GONNA START WITH KATHY, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR.
SHE'S GONNA LEAD US THROUGH THIS, UH, UH, PRESENTATION AGAIN, YOU CAN STOP US AT ANY TIME, ASK QUESTIONS.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON A SLIDE THAT MAYBE IS, IS THE INFORMATION YOU'RE THERE NOT THERE.
WE CAN FIND OUT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT, WE CAN CALL UP WHOMEVER.
IT IS TO COME TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
UH, JUST NOTE THERE ARE FOR DJANGO THERE'S THERE'S TREATS IN THE BACK HERE.
IF WE NEEDED, WE HAVE BREAKS BUILT INTO THE PRESENTATION, BUT IF YOU'RE LIKE, THAT'S TOO LONG, WE CAN TAKE A BREAK.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WILL NOTIFY US OF THAT AND GET THE LUCK WE GET TO LOOK.
SO, UH, TODAY, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE SECOND SLIDE, KATHY, THAT UP, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH, UM, UH, THIS PRESENTATION IS BROKEN INTO DIFFERENT PORTIONS.
PART OF IT IS BUDGET ASSUMPTIONS, KIND OF LOOK AT OUR PRELIMINARY PROPOSED BUDGET OR ECONOMIC OUTLOOK ABOUT THE FIRST THING WE'LL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IS OUR ECONOMIC HEALTH OF WHERE WE ARE HOPING TO FINISH THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
WHAT WE SEE IS SOME OF THE, UM, UM, REVENUES OR EXPENDITURES WE'RE SEEING COME THROUGH THE CITY.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT, UH, THE RISING COST OF DOING BUSINESS, OR JUST SIMPLY OPERATING YOUR OWN HOME.
THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS A CITY, AS AN ORGANIZATION IS, IS YES, WE HAVE GOOD REVENUES COMING IN, BUT WE ALSO HAVE STRONGER EXPENSES GOING OUT THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, WORK TO KEEP IN CHECK.
I KNOW IT'S MIGHT BE HARD WITH FINANCES, BUT ANYWAY, GLAD YOU'RE ALL HERE THIS MORNING.
ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT LEADERS THAT HAVE COME AS WELL.
AND LIKE SCOTT SAID, ANYTHING THAT YOU LOOK AT, LIKE, EVEN IF WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SLIDE AND YOU HAVE A QUESTION JUST HOLLER AND WE'LL WE'LL ADDRESS IT THERE, BUT WE'RE KIND OF, UM, AND I WANT TO THANK SCOTT FOR, YOU KNOW, HE'S OUR NEW CITY MANAGER.
HE'S GOT SOME GREAT QUESTIONS AND IDEAS, SO WE STRUCTURED IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN MAYBE YOU'RE USED TO IF YOU'VE SEEN IT QUITE A BIT.
BUT SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, WHAT I THOUGHT I WOULD DO IS JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN JUST THE ACTUAL PROCESS AND JUST OUR BASIC, THE VERY BASIC THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHY WHEN WE LOOK IN OUR BUDGET AND SOMETIMES YOU LOOK AT A BUDGET BOOK VERSUS A AUDITED FINANCIAL, AND IT'S JUST DIFFERENT AND YOU KNOW HOW THEY RELATE, BUT I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT QUICK.
BUT BASICALLY WE HAVE TWO, UM, TWO SCHEDULES FOR OUR YEAR.
SO FROM JANUARY, TILL JUNE 30TH, WE'RE DOING BUDGET.
WHEN WE HIT JUNE 30TH, JUNE 30TH OF 22, WE'RE DONE.
AND WE START SEEING OUR ACTUAL EXPENDITURES AND REVENUE AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE GET ALL OF THAT DONE, DO ALL OF THE YEAR END ADJUSTMENTS, THEN OUR AUDITORS COME IN.
SO EVERY YEAR WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO A BUDGET WHERE WE'RE BASICALLY TWO YEARS BEHIND, NOT LIKE REALLY TWO YEARS, BUT WE START WITH ACTUALS THAT WERE AUDITED.
SO RIGHT THIS YEAR, WE'RE STARTING WITH SIX 30 OF 21 TO DO OUR 6 30, 23 BUDGET.
AND THEN ALL ALONG IN THE MIDDLE, WE'RE NOT DONE WITH 6 30, 22 RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO TRYING TO ESTIMATE, BUT ALL OF OUR RESERVES AND EVERYTHING THAT WE WE SEE WITH THAT IS BASED ON ACTUALS EVERY YEAR, IT STARTS OVER.
SO WE MAY HAVE BUDGETED A CERTAIN THING LIKE LAST YEAR, BUT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ACTUAL AND THEN WE'RE ESTIMATING 622.
SO IT KIND OF JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
AND THEN JUST AS WE GO THROUGH EVERYTHING, JUST THE, THE BASICS OF EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, WHETHER IT'S BUDGET OR OUR FINANCIALS, YOU HAVE FIVE THINGS.
YOU LOOK AT IT'S ASSETS, LIABILITIES, CAPITAL REVENUE, AND EXPENSES.
AND, AND YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW THIS, EVEN LOOKING AT YOUR OWN PERSONAL FINANCES, YOU'VE GOT A BALANCE SHEET AND IT'S YOUR ASSETS MINUS YOUR LIABILITIES EQUALS YOUR CAPITAL.
WELL, CAPITAL ALSO IS OUR FUND BALANCE OR IT'S OUR RESERVES, OR
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WE CAN JUST CALL IT SAVINGS.SO, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT IS A PERPETUAL THING THAT JUST KEEPS TRACK OF EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S KEEPING TRACK OF OUR, OUR RESERVE BALANCES, THE PROVINCE LOSS EVERY YEAR, ZEROES OUT EVERY YEAR.
SO WHATEVER'S LEFT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHETHER IT'S A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE IS GOING TO ROLL INTO OUR FUND BALANCE.
SO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND, YOU'VE GOT CERTAIN TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, SO I ACTUALLY FOUND WE HAVE, UH, AN ACTUAL FUND BALANCE POLICY AND, UM, I THOUGHT MIGHT BE GOOD JUST TO REVIEW JUST KIND OF THE BASIC DEFINITIONS AND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL BUDGET BOOK AND YOU SEE RESTRICTED FUNDS, UNRESTRICTED FUNDS COMMITTED MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
SO THE ACTUAL DEFINITION OF OUR FUND BALANCE IS JUST, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP ADEQUATE FUND BALANCES FOR UNEXPECTED OR REQUIREMENTS AND OR ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS IN A NUTSHELL, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE KEEP THEM.
THERE IS ACTUALLY GUIDANCE IT'S, GASBY 54 THAT DEFINES WHAT OUR FUND BALANCES ARE.
AND SO EVERY FUND HAS TO MAINTAIN A FUND BALANCE AND THE, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUND BALANCES ARE RESTRICTED, COMMITTED, ASSIGNED AN ASSIGNED AND NON SPENDABLE.
AND WE DON'T ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THAT NON SPENDABLE PIECE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING BETWEEN YOUR AUDITED FINANCIALS AND YOUR BUDGETED FINANCIALS, THE BUDGETED FINANCIALS ARE BASED ON SPENDABLE ONLY.
SO WE TAKE OUT THE NON SPENDABLE THINGS AND THE NON SPENDABLE THINGS ARE LIKE VICTOR FIXED ASSETS, THINGS THAT AREN'T LIQUID THAT YOU CAN'T SPEND.
AND THAT'S WHY WE BUDGET IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO JUST BUDGET WHAT YOU CAN SPEND.
SO, UM, THE FUND BALANCE, WHICH I ALREADY SAID, IT'S YOUR CAPITAL, IT'S YOUR SAVINGS.
AND SO IF WE KIND OF THINK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR WAGES THAT COME IN EVERY, EVERY YEAR AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR MORTGAGE THAT GOES OUT, AND HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY LEFTOVER THAT GOES INTO YOUR SAVINGS.
THE NEXT YEAR YOUR WAGES COME IN, YOUR MORTGAGE GOES OUT, BUT NOW YOU HAVE A CAR WRECK AND YOU HAVE TO REPLACE YOUR CAR, YOU HAVE TO GET INTO YOUR SAVINGS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST REALLY THE BASICS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, EXCEPT THERE'S 70 FUNDS THAT WE DO THAT.
AND SO RESTRICTED, JUST SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHEN YOU SEE RESTRICTED FUNDS IN THE BUDGET, THAT'S THINGS THAT ARE LEGALLY WE'RE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE LOANS THAT WE HAVE, OR, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE FOR INSTANCE, ST.
NALLY HAS A TAX THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND ON STREET NALLY.
WE CAN'T SPEND IT FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE.
UM, THEN WE HAVE COMMITTED FUNDS AND THAT'S ACTUALLY COMMITTED.
AND THING THAT COMES TO MIND TO ME WOULD BE LIKE THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT WE PUT IN FOR COUNCIL PROJECTS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE COMMITTED THAT THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY TOOK FORMAL ACTION AND SAID, WE WANT THAT MUCH MONEY TO SPEND ON OUR PROJECTS.
AND THEN ASSIGNED ARE THE LARGE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR ASSIGNED OR UNASSIGNED, BUT ASSIGNED IS MORE CITY MANAGEMENT AND COUNCIL, BUT IT'S JUST MORE OF A MANAGEMENT DECISION OF WE'D LIKE TO USE IT.
IT'S OUR INTENT TO USE THESE FUNDS FOR A CERTAIN THING.
AND THEN UNASSIGNED IS JUST ANY RESIDUAL AFTER ALL OF THE ABOVE FOR BUDGET PURPOSES, NON SPENDABLE.
I PUT IN HERE FOR THIS, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE, WE ADJUST THAT OUT WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE DOING THE BUDGET.
SO THE UNASSIGNED FOR BUDGET PURPOSES WILL BE LESS THAN WHAT IT IS FOR FINANCIAL PURPOSES.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SCOTT ACTUALLY KIND OF ASKED THIS QUESTION.
THIS IS A REVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THIS BUDGET 6 30, 22.
SO KIND OF TO SHOW YOU, I'M JUST HAVING, HADN'T REALLY SEEN A COMPARISON LIKE THIS, BUT IT'S A GOOD THING TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE BUDGETING RIGHT NOW FOR 23, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ESTIMATES.
WE'RE NOT THROUGH OUR YEAR YET.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR ACTUAL IS, ARE GOING TO BE.
BUT NOW WE DO KNOW FOR 6 30, 21.
SO OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET RIGHT HERE LAST YEAR, IF YOU LOOK IN OUR BUDGET BOOK, IT WAS 645 MILLION.
AND THAT'S EVERYTHING, IT'S ALL OF OUR RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO SPEND.
SO AS OUR RESERVES, OUR SAVINGS PLUS REVENUE THAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO COME IN.
SO ALL OF OUR TAXES, OUR FEES, ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
WHAT WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP AT, OOPS, SORRY, WAS 681.
SO YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MAJOR DIFFERENCE.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE JUST DIDN'T COLLECT THE REVENUE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO, AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHY IN A MINUTE.
AND THEN THESE RESERVES IN OUR SAVINGS ARE REALLY, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING.
EVEN FOR ME, THE RESERVES ON THE REVENUE SIDE, LOOK TO THE YEAR BEFORE AND IT'S BASED ON ACTUALS.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE KIND OF ESTIMATED RIGHT HERE.
WELL, THAT WAS BASED STILL ON ESTIMATES LAST YEAR.
CAUSE WE WERE DOING THE LAST YEAR.
WELL, NOW THAT WE HAVE ACTUALS, WE'RE LOOKING AT 6 30, 21 AUDITED AND THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED AND THEN WE'VE ADJUSTED IT FOR THE NON SPENDABLE.
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SO, UM, SO SAME THING.SO WE ALWAYS HAVE SOURCES AND USES, ALWAYS HAS TO BALANCE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, SO WE STARTED WITH 6 45.
WE THOUGHT OUR COSTS WERE GOING TO BE 363 MILLION.
LAST YEAR WHEN WE GOT DONE, WE ACTUALLY USED 681 AND WE HAD COST OF 600 OR EXCUSE ME, 393.
SO WE SPENT $30 MILLION MORE THAN WE BUDGETED.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT KIND OF TRY AND FIGURE OUT, AND I'M REALLY JUST GETTING, GIVING EXAMPLES.
I CAN TELL YOU IN A NUTSHELL WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT'S THINGS LIKE OUR REVENUE CAME IN LOW.
AND IF YOU JUST REALLY LOOK AND I CAN BORE YOU AS MUCH AS YOU WANT WITH THIS, BUT WE HAVE SIX DIFFERENT TYPES OF CATEGORIES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET BOOK.
AND SO LIKE, JUST FOR INSTANCE, ON OUR REVENUE ALONE, WHERE WE HAVE 312 THAT WE BUDGETED, BUT WE BROUGHT IN 3 0 4, THE DIFFERENCES, BASICALLY WE HAD BUDGETED FOR THE FEMA THAT 9.6 AND IS BASICALLY KIND OF INCLUDED IN HERE.
I MEAN, ALL OF OUR APWA, WE JUST DIDN'T BRING IN QUITE AS MUCH REVENUE AS WE THOUGHT WE WOULD.
AND THEN GOLF GOLF IS IN HERE.
IT WAS CLOSED, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE BRINGING IN LESS, LESS REVENUE FROM THAT.
AND THEN THESE ONES THAT ARE OVER ARE GENERALLY, UM, BASED ON TAXES AND WE'VE, WE USUALLY COME IN, YOU KNOW, HIGHER ON TAXES.
SO JUST IN A NUTSHELL THAT KIND OF TELLS YOU, WELL, WE, WE COLLECTED 7.8 MILLION LESS THAN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO.
AND THEN THAT ALSO ROLLS INTO OUR, OUR RESERVES.
AND IT'S ONCE AGAIN, YOU JUST KIND OF HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH ONE, BUT THE ONES THAT STAND OUT ARE UTILITY, THEY JUST DIDN'T SPEND AS MUCH AS THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO.
AND SO IT ENDED UP IN RESERVES AND, UM, KIND OF KEEP GOING.
SO OUR NET OVERALL RESOURCES, SO TOTAL RESOURCES, THAT 645 MILLION VERSUS A 681, WE ENDED UP 36 MILLION HIGHER IN RESERVES.
AND IT'S REALLY JUST BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T SPEND IT AND IT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM PROBABLY CAPITAL OUTLAY WAS MOST OF IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DON'T GET TO THE PROJECTS THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO.
UM, BUT SO AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AND THIS IS REALLY FROM OUR BUDGET BOOK, IT'S WHAT WE SEE EVERY YEAR.
THERE'S A SUMMARY PAGE AND IT'S KIND OF MY BIBLE.
I KIND OF LOOK AT, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING WE'RE GOING TO DO.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IN GENERAL FUND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S NOT RESTRICTED REALLY TO ANYTHING.
WE ACTUALLY BUDGETED LAST YEAR, THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE 6.5, 2%.
AND WE ENDED THE YEAR NEGATIVE.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF POINTING OUT HOW MUCH IT CAN CHANGE AND, UM, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS REALLY TO WATCH YOUR BUDGET THROUGH THE YEAR.
UM, AND THEN SO OVERALL, AND ACTUALLY UTILITY ENDED UP A LITTLE HIGHER.
I THINK IT WAS 90 SOMETHING, BUT IT'S REALLY BUSY TOO, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THEY JUST DIDN'T SPEND EVERYTHING THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA SPEND.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR LAST YEAR.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT AND HOW WE'RE APPROACHING IT OR, OKAY, SO, SO YOU KIND OF HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE NOT THROUGH 6 30, 22, BUT WE DO DO AN ESTIMATE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO THINK, WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE, AND IT DOES, IT ROLLS FORWARD TO 23.
SO REALLY WE'RE STARTING WITH THESE NUMBERS, NOT OUR BUDGET FROM LAST YEAR, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING OUT AT A $30 MILLION DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WE BUDGETED LAST YEAR.
SO THIS YEAR GOING IN GENERALLY WHAT WE DO, AND THIS HAS JUST BEEN THE BUDGET PROCESS.
AND, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW SCOTT'S HAD SOME QUESTIONS.
WE JUST ESTIMATE WHAT WE THINK OUR SALES TAX REVENUE IS GOING TO BE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR LARGEST, OUR LARGEST RESOURCES AND TYPICALLY, OR AT LEAST LAST YEAR, WE TEND TO BUDGET ABOUT 2% GROWTH, BUT WE WILL HIT HIGHER THAN THAT.
IT HONESTLY LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO END UP THE HERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 8%, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE WAY EVERYTHING HAS TO WORK TOGETHER.
IT'S OKAY TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH THAT AND THEN USE TAX THE SAME THING.
UM, WE'LL PROBABLY END AT LEAST 10, 10% GROWTH OVER THAT.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT, WE TEND TO LEAVE PRETTY, UM, THE SAME EVERY YEAR, WHICH IS BASICALLY ONE, 1% GROWTH AND THEN ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
SO IT'S OUR, APWA OUR ELECTRIC, OUR WATER, ALL THAT, THOSE GUYS DO A GREAT JOB OF RATE STUDIES AND THEY KEEP UP WITH IT EVERY YEAR.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THEIR ESTIMATES BASED ON.
THEY REALLY DO THEIR WHOLE BUDGET ESTIMATE THAT WAY, OUR EXPENDITURES, WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT THING.
AND, UM, SO WE DON'T REALLY GO BACKWARDS WHERE WE SAY, HEY, HERE'S HOW MUCH REVENUE WE THINK, AND YOU GET THIS PERCENT, IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IT'S LIKE, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED.
AND, UM, LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN PAY FOR IT BASICALLY.
BUT SO PAYROLL, I WILL POINT OUT PAYROLL,
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MAKAYLA WILLIAMS IN OUR OFFICE ENTERS EVERY BIT OF OUR PAYROLL AND SHE TAKES EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION.OUR NEW, OUR NEW POSITIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR ANY COST OF LIVING RAISES ANY STEP INCREASES.
AND SHE DOES THAT WHOLE STUDY AND SHE ENTERS ALL OF THAT IN OUR BUDGET.
SO OUR PERSONNEL COSTS THAT YOU SEE IN EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT ARE, ARE AS ACCURATE AS THEY CAN BE.
AND, UM, SO THE, ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE THINGS, UM, ARE GOING TO BE JUST BASED ON THE HISTORY.
I MEAN, THAT'S BOTH OF YOUR BEST GUESTS YOU CAN DO UNLESS YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME EXPENSE COMING, BUT REALLY EVERYBODY JUST LOOKS AT, AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN THEY ENTER THEIR BUDGET IN OUR SOFTWARE FLEET, UM, IS BASED ON A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE AND, YOU KNOW, OUR POLICE AND FIRE AND BOBBY'S GROUP.
THEY ALL LOOK AT THAT AND REALLY MAINTAIN THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS OUT.
IT'S A ROLLING THING AND THEY REALLY HAVE THAT UNDER CONTROL AND THEN CAPITAL OUTLAY AND CHRIS AND I THING, OH, HE'S, I'M GONNA HAVE THE LARGEST CAPITAL OUTLAYS COMING UP IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ARE REALLY HUGE CAPITAL OUTLAYS, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
AND ANDY'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THAT LATER IN OUR CIP PRESENTATION.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BASED ON A STRATEGIC PLAN, A LOT OF IT.
SO HERE WE ARE TO THE 6 30, 23 BUDGET.
AND, UM, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEBODY SAY, WHAT'S YOUR BUDGET, WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS DIRECT COST BUDGET.
SO WE KIND OF HAVE THREE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS TOTAL BUDGET, THAT'S OUR EVERY RESOURCE WE HAVE, BUT A LOT OF ASSET RESERVES.
SO THE DIFFERENCE IS GOING TO BE RESERVES.
OUR REVENUE, WE THINK IS GOING TO BE AROUND 309 MILLION.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE WERE ACTUALLY PROJECTED THREE 12 LAST YEAR, BUT WE CAME IN AT 3 0 4.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU KIND OF SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THAT, AND THEN OUR DIRECT COST BUDGET 379 MILLION.
SO WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT AND HOW WE CAME TO THAT.
BUT THAT'S OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR, RIGHT HERE, 379 MILLION.
SO ONCE, SO IF YOU REMEMBER LAST, WHAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT FROM LAST YEAR, THIS IS NOW ALL A PROJECTION AND THESE THINGS ARE, ARE BASED ON ESTIMATES OF 6 30, 22, THAT WE'RE NOT THROUGH YET, SO THEY CAN CHANGE.
BUT, BUT BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING, WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 309 MILLION OF REVENUE, 310 MILLION, AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 380 AND THE DIFFERENCE IS RESERVES.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT LATER.
I KIND OF WANTED TO FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, THAT THIS YEAR, SO WE CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO GOING FORWARD.
BUT, UM, AND I KIND OF STUCK THIS IN, CAUSE I ALWAYS STICK IT IN, BUT OUR ONLY OUR SOURCES OF FUNDS ARE, ARE THESE THINGS AND THEIR TAXES.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE KNOWS WE'RE SALES TAX DRIVEN.
WE DON'T HAVE PROPERTY TAX, BUT BASICALLY SALES TRACKS.
THERE'S SOME ALCOHOL BEVERAGE TAX, THERE'S SOME GAS TAX.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE MUCH SMALLER.
INTER-GOVERNMENTAL OUR GRANTS BY AND LARGE, I THINK ARE, UH, GAS TAXES IN THEIR VEHICLE TAX THEN LICENSING AND PERMITTING FINES AND FORFEITURES CHARGES FOR SERVICES IS HUGE BECAUSE THAT'S OUR APWA AND THEN JUST THE OTHER STUFF.
SO HERE'S THE BREAKOUT OF AFTER ALL THAT WE'VE DONE AND EVERYBODY THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IN IT'S 309 MILLION.
SO THERE'S A 3, 9, 3 0 9 OR THREE 10 THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT OF THAT 33% MORE OR LESS IS TAXES 62% MORE OR LESS IS CHARGES FOR SERVICES.
AND THAT TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, OUR UTILITIES ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN, THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
SO SCOTT KIND OF ASKED ABOUT THIS TOO, AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD, UH, WAY TO LOOK AT SOMETHING.
I WENT BACK AND THIS IS BUDGET TO BUDGET.
SO ALL THESE DIFFERENT YEARS, IT'S TRULY OUR BUDGET BOOK.
SO REMEMBER THE 6 45, I SAID WE BUDGETED, BUT WE ENDED AT 6 81.
WE DON'T, WE NEED TO DEVELOP A WAY TO REALLY GET TO THE ACTUAL AND MAYBE DO THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS PURPOSE.
BUT JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF KNOW, JUST BUDGETING PURPOSES.
WE STARTED IN 2016 AND YOU CAN SEE OUR REVENUE EVERY YEAR IS LESS THAN OUR COSTS.
AND SO SOMETIMES WE HAVE PROCEEDS IF WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, LARGE CAPITAL OUTLAYS, WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOME PROCEEDS FROM BONDS, LOANS, WHATEVER.
WE STILL ARE OPERATING AT A NET DEFICIT OTHER THAN THIS ONE YEAR.
AND THEN, SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THIS 60 MILLION THAT WE'RE PROJECTING RIGHT HERE, 70 MILLION, WE'RE GOING TO BE USING RESERVES.
AND THEN THERE'S OUR TOTAL RESOURCES AGAIN.
UM, SAME THING THOUGH, OUR RESERVES HAVE BEEN INCREASING, BUT THAT'S, IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF ALL OF THOSE FIVE THINGS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH CASH DO WE HAVE? WHAT ARE OUR LIABILITIES? HOW MUCH DEBT ARE WE GOING TO TAKE ON? WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST US? WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT IN
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SAVINGS? AND, UM, THERE'S, IT GETS COMPLICATED.SO I WON'T LIKE REALLY GO INTO IT, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH ALL THE ENCUMBRANCES AND EVERYTHING AND THE TIMING OF THAT, WHAT WE DON'T SPEND AND WHAT WE INTEND TO ROLL OVER AND STILL SPEAK.
BUT I JUST KINDA WANTED TO SHOW, WE TYPICALLY, WE WE'VE FOR YEARS AND IT GOES BACK BEFORE 15 HAVE RUN AT A DESK, BUT WE DON'T, WE SPEND MORE IN OUR DIRECT COSTS AND THE REVENUE THAT WE BRING IN, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SAVINGS.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? SURE.
SO, UM, YEAH, THIS IS A SLIDE I WAS LOOKING FOR IS THE INTERESTING THING IS THE TREND, UH, AS YOU SEE, FROM 15 TO 2 23 IS THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO ACCESS HOW TO RESERVES IS GROWING.
SO AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY, I KIND OF SAY, EVERYBODY RUNS AROUND AND SAYS, HEY, LOOK AT OUR SALES TAX RECEIPT.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S GOOD, BUT WE'RE FINDING AS OUR COSTS CONTINUE TO ESCALATE, WHICH MEANS THOSE SALES TAX DOLLARS ARE ONLY TAKING US FAR AND WE'RE HAVING TO DIP NOW, FORTUNATELY WE HAVE STRONG RESERVES, BUT THE REALITY IS WE'RE GOING TO BE DIPPING MORE AND MORE IN RESERVES BASED ON OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL PLATFORM.
SINCE WE ARE HEAVILY ON SALES TAX AND USE TAX, IS THERE ALCOHOL? THERE'S NOT THAT TYPICAL SECOND LEG OF A PROPERTY TAX OR SOMETHING TO DO THAT.
SO AS WE LOOK IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO SEE HOW DO WE ACCESS? YOU KNOW, I HEAR OFTEN COUNCIL MEMBERS, HOW WE ACT TO SOME OF OUR RESERVES FOR SUMMER ACTIVITIES, BETTER THAN WHAT WE DO TODAY.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE RESERVES, BUT IF WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY USING THOSE RESERVES, YOU KNOW, ARE WE BEING OUR BEST STEWARDS OF THE DOLLARS? SO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW ON THIS SLIDE THAT, UH, AS MUCH AS SALES TAX CONTINUES TO GROW, AND WE HOPEFULLY WE'RE BEING VERY CONCERNED THIS CURRENT UPCOMING YEAR, BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT A LOOMING RECESSION AND MAYBE A HOUSING BUBBLE, I THINK OKLAHOMA CITY BUDGET, 1.8% SALES TAX GROWTH IS THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S NO CLIFF THAT WE'RE RUNNING TOWARDS IT.
WE'RE JUST BEING UPFRONT THAT SALES TAX DOES NOT COVER IT UNLESS WE HAD TRANSFERS COMING IN OR OTHER RESERVES.
WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICES ARE.
SO JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT.
I LIKE THIS CHART BECAUSE IN MY MIND, THIS IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE, UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO CLIFF IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT TOO, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, OUR BUDGET'S 3 MILLION OR 300 MILLION ISH, OUR RESERVES ARE 300 MILLION ISH.
AND IF YOU JUST REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, EVERYBODY, EVERYTHING IS FELL APART.
AND WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN ZERO REVENUE.
I MEAN, JUST IN GENERAL IN, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT STILL YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE'RE EATING INTO THAT ALL THE TIME.
AND THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT TOO.
BUT, UM, THAT'S JUST KIND OF A DIFFERENT WAY.
WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT IT THIS YEAR.
SO THIS IS REALLY JUST THE SAME THING.
IT'S JUST KIND OF SHOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE OUR EXPENSES OVER THE YEARS, SINCE 15, THIS WAS OUR REVENUE.
SO YOU CAN SEE OUR REVENUE GREW PRETTY STEADILY, BUT WE GET THESE, THESE SPIKES WHEN WE'RE SPENDING MORE.
AND THAT COULD WELL BE CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT IT'S, IT'S GETTING WIDER.
SO YES, WE'RE DIPPING INTO THE RESERVES MORE AND MORE EACH YEAR, BUT HOW MUCH ARE THE RESERVES GROWING? SO IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE REALLY DIPPING INTO CORPUS OR ARE WE DIPPING INTO, YOU KNOW, THE INCOME PORTION OF THE RESERVES? WELL, AND I SORT OF MAY NOT BE AS DIRE, RIGHT? NO, AND IT'S NOT.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A PRACTICE THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD.
AND I THINK IN, AND I'LL JUST SAY IT THIS WAY, AS I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ALL THIS STUFF THIS YEAR, I THINK WE DO, LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU'RE SAYING LIKE THE INCOME PIECE VERSUS A CORPORATE PIECE, IF, IF WE OVER BUDGET AND THIS IS LIKE NOT A BAD THING, BUT IF WE DO THINK WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE THAN WE DON'T, AND, AND I'LL JUST ADMIT IT LAST YEAR ON ARPA-E WE WERE KIND OF NOT REALLY CERTAIN WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO GET $12 MILLION IN WHICH WE HAVE, AND I BUDGETED LIKE 12 MILLION.
I'M LIKE, OH, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 12 MINUTES.
WELL, NO, WE ONLY SPENT 400,000.
SO NOW I'VE GOT $11 MILLION STILL TO SPEND IN ARIBA, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT OUT OVER, YOU KNOW, WELL, TWO WE HAVE TO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT, UM, SO I'VE ADJUSTED THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, SO, AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST A SHOT IN THE DARK, BUT SO I'VE SAID INSTEAD OF SPENDING 12, I'M GOING TO SPEND 5 30, 2, WHATEVER, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IS YES, THAT IS SITTING NOW IN RESERVES.
AND I CAN'T PUT IN AN INCOME AGAIN, CAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECEIVE IT AGAIN, BUT IT IS SITTING THERE WHERE CONVERSELY, LIKE, I MEAN, OUR, OUR UTILITIES COME UP A LOT BECAUSE THEY'RE RATE DRIVEN AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO LIKE FOR, AT FORECAST OUT A LONG TIME, SO THERE'S MAYBE INCOME DRIVEN ALSO, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING OUT TO LIKE, WHEN'S IT GONNA TURN THOUGH? AND WHEN IS OUR COSTS GOING
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TO BE SO HIGH THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STABILIZE OUR RATES, YOU KNOW, WITH CASH, WHICH IS WHAT CHRIS IS LOOKING AT, OR, YOU KNOW, WHEN DOES THAT, WHEN DOES THAT TURN, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT WAY.THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR RATES VERSUS TAXES COMING IN.
SO LIKE FOR US, IF WE GET TAXES, UM, THAT DON'T COME IN, LIKE WE EXPECTED.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST KINDA, THAT'S NOT GOOD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SOURCE.
AND SO, I MEAN, WHEN I THINK ABOUT LIKE CORPUS OF THE, OF THE FUND BALANCE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE REALLY IS A PER SE CORPUS THAT YOU WOULD NEVER GET IN OTHER THAN, I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING CONCEPTUALLY THOUGH, SOME OF THAT 69 MILLION, UM, IS NOT ALL REDUCING THE, FROM THE YEAR BEFORE, REDUCING THE RESERVES, IF THERE'S INTEREST INCOME OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF INCOME ON IT, SITTING HERE, WHATEVER.
AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STUDY.
THE THING ABOUT BUDGETS BECAUSE WE, WE REDUCE NON SPENDABLE THINGS.
SO THAT'S LIKE, LONG-TERM DEBT IS NOT IN THERE, BUT FIVE YEARS OF THE DEBT IS IN THERE.
UM, GET, YOU KNOW, JUST OUR ESTIMATES OF WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BRING FOR SALES TAX.
SO WHATEVER HAPPENS, I THINK VERY SIMPLISTICALLY IS, YOU KNOW, W IF YOU HAVE A, HAVE A POSITIVE AT THE END OF YOUR YEAR, THEN THAT THAT'S SITTING IN THERE TO SPEND, BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, YEAR AFTER YEAR, BUT IT MAY BE PLANNED LIKE BY BPW WAY BECAUSE OF RATE INCREASES.
I DON'T KNOW, DIANE YOUR QUESTION.
AND I CAN JUMP IN, I THINK IF I'M THINKING WHERE YOUR QUESTION IS IS, IS YESSICA RESERVES CONTINUING TO GROW.
AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, ON A PERCENTAGE WISE, WE MAY DO THE ANALYSIS AND FIND OUT THAT, WELL, YES, WE TOOK MORE FROM RESERVES AND TRANSFERS, BUT REALLY THE RESERVES I'LL CALL IT GREW IN EXCESS OF THIS.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT AS SALES TAX ALONE AND THE OTHER USE TAXES ARE NOT COVERING OUR DIRECT SERVICES, RIGHT? YES.
THE CAUTION, I WOULD SAY IS SOME OF THOSE ARE RESTRICTED RESERVES THAT WE'RE UNABLE TO TOUCH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT POLICE AND FIRE RESERVES.
I CAN ONLY USE THOSE FOR CERTAIN NEEDS, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE DOLLARS THERE SAY, HEY, LET'S GO SPEND IT OVER HERE.
I MAY BE RESTRICTED FOR DOING THAT, OR, HEY, WE NEED TO GO BUILD A WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
HE JUST SPENDS DOLLARS LIKE CRAZY IN A GOOD WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE MAY SAY, HEY, THAT RESERVE KEEPS GOING OFF.
BUT IF HE KNOWS LIKE NEXT YEAR, WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER ADDITIONAL $200 MILLION EXPANSION.
I MAY HAVE TO SAY I CAN'T REALLY ACCESS THAT.
UM, AND AS WE DO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT RENTING THE DOLLARS AT 1% INTEREST RATES AND WE'RE NOW WE'RE RUNNING UP 4%.
SO WE'VE GOT TO BUILD THAT IN WHAT'S YOUR DEBT SERVICE.
I'M JUST SAYING THE DOLLARS WE MAY HAVE OKAY.
AVAILABLE TO ALLOCATE ELSEWHERE IN THE, IN THE BUDGET MAY BE RESTRICTED INTO THAT ASPECT.
SO WE'RE JUST BEING CAUTIOUS LIKE, OH, I, I HEAR YOU.
IT'S JUST KNOWING YOUR POINT TOO.
THE NUMBER'S BIGGER, BUT IS IT A LARGER PERCENTAGE AND IN SOME OF THAT GROWTH IN THE RESERVES, SO THAT WAS MY POINT.
AND TO THAT POINT IT'S IT'S IT'S INSTANCE, WE DID, UM, WHAT, TWO WEEKS AGO, WHEN WE S WE DECIDED TO SPLIT OUT THE COST OF AIR DEPOT ROAD BETWEEN SOLID WASTE AND THE GENERAL FUND IS OKAY, CAN WE LOOK AT ACCESS TEAM WHERE WE CAN OUR RESERVES TO, TO IMPACT THE CITY? YUP.
SO NOW I'M MOVING A LITTLE BIT JUST TO THE REVENUE PIECE AND THE TAXES, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF IT IS KIND OF SET IN STONE AND UTILITIES UTILITY, BUT THE ONE THAT'S THE MOST DISCRETIONARY THAT WE HAVE IS, IS OUR TAXES.
AND SO WE HAVE, UH, UH, WHICH ALL SHOWING YOU IN A MINUTE, BUT AT 8.5% TAX RATE.
AND WHEN WE BRING THAT IN, THIS IS HOW IT'S SPLIT OUT CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHICH IS OUR, BASICALLY OUR 2005, 2017 CIP FUND IS GOING TO BRING IN ABOUT 28 MILLION.
A GENERAL FUND GETS 64 MILLION IN SPECIAL REVENUE.
SPECIAL REVENUE IS MAINLY POLICE AND FIRE.
IT HAS A FEW OTHER LITTLE THINGS IN IT, BUT IT'S MAINLY PLACED IN FIRE.
SO IF I GO, UM, OKAY, SO I'VE GOT 64 MILLION RIGHT HERE OF THAT 64 MILLION, 30, 36 0.8% GOES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND 30% GOES TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S NEGOTIATED IT'S CONTRACTUAL.
AND SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
SO THE GENERAL FUND OUT OF 64 MILLION GETS TO KEEP 21 MILLION.
SO IT'S KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND, WE'RE WORKING WITH 21 MILLION TO OPERATE OUR CITY REALLY.
SO THIS IS JUST WHAT I WAS GOING TO SHOW.
YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, BUT OUR RATE THIS YEAR IS, UH, 8.5%.
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UNTIL, UM, DECEMBER OF 2023, RIGHT.AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE HAY FOR, UH, THE LAND ADJACENT TO HAYFORD PARK.
WE HAVE THE 0.2, 5%, WHICH WE ESTIMATE WILL GENERATE ABOUT $5 MILLION TO PAY FOR THAT.
AND THEN IT IS SET TO GO BACK TO OUR LOCAL RATE OF 3.7, 5%.
AND YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE TOO, BUT BASICALLY THAT'S BASED ON THIS.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALL OF OUR ACTUAL, UM, SALES TAX COLLECTIONS IN AS OF RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, SO THE ONLY MONTH THAT'S ESTIMATED IS THIS LAST ONE, BUT WE EXPECT TO GENERATE A LITTLE OVER $2 BILLION IN GROSS SALES.
SO EVERYTHING'S ALWAYS GOING TO SPIN ON THAT.
SO IF YOU EVER SAY, HEY, I WANT TO RAISE MY SALES TAX RATE.
YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PERCENT YOU CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BRING IN FOR YOU.
SO EVERY CENT BRINGS IN 21 MILLION ISH.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE REVENUE SIDE? I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ACCOUNTING TERM IS YES.
SO IT'S ALL AN ESTIMATE, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO OUR EXPENSES, UM, EXPENDITURES, AND I JUST, YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, BUT WHEN WE DO OUR BUDGET AND WE TALK ABOUT OUR BUDGET, THIS YEAR IS 376 MILLION.
IT'S GOING TO BE SPENT IN ALL THESE FUNDS.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FUND.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT JUST IN A SECOND, A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIAL REVENUES IS MAINLY OUR POLICE AND FIRE CIP IS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S ALL THE STUFF THAT WHEN WE DO GO TO STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND WE WANT TO DO ALL THESE THINGS, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES OUT OF GENERALLY.
AND REMEMBER WE BRING IN 28 MILLION A YEAR.
SO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND, TOO, ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE ALL OF OUR, UM, OUR APWA, OUR ELECTRIC WATER WASTE, WATER SOLID WASTE.
THE OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE GOLF.
SO KICKING BIRD, GOLF, CITY LINK, AND, UM, YOU'RE A GOV SHOP.
AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT YOUR GO SHOP THAT OFTEN IT'S VERY SMALL, BUT IT'S KIND OF A COOL LITTLE THING.
AND, UM, OTHER CITIES CAN BENEFIT FROM OUR PRICING BASICALLY, AND THEN THEY CAN BUY.
AND, UM, IT'S JUST REALLY A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CALLED A COMMUNITY SERVICE, BUT IT'S A METROPOLITAN TYPE OF SERVICE WHERE OTHER OTHER CITIES CAN PARTICIPATE.
AND THEN OUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ARE OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT, OUR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, ALL OF OUR RISKS.
SO OUR INSURANCE AND THEN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT.
UM, SO JUST TO KIND OF YOUR IDEA, SO HERE'S OUR 3 79 AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS YEAR, AND THIS IS, UM, SPLIT OUT.
AND THIS IS ALL BASED ON WHAT EVERY DEPARTMENT PUT IN, WHAT THEY THINK THEIR NEEDS ARE.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
UM, BUT GENERAL FUND IS ONLY 15 MILLION.
SO JUST KINDA, WE, WE TEND TO HONE IN ON THAT.
THE OTHER THINGS ARE KIND OF SET IN STONE, BUT THIS INTERNAL SERVICE IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG NUMBER, BUT IT IS SPLIT, YOU KNOW, OUR RISK, OUR INSURANCE IS ALL GONNA BE BASED ON CLAIMS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR CLAIM HISTORY YOU THINK IT IS.
SO IT'S KINDA, IT'S GOTTA BE WHAT IT IS.
FLEET MANAGEMENT, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, IT'S ON A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULES AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH THAT PIECE.
AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT IS ALL THE, THE DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE MY DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, IT, HR, ALL OF THOSE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO RUN YOUR CITY ANYWAY.
SO I'M KIND OF, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SLIDE TO LET YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE SAY GENERAL FUND, YOU KIND OF JUST THINK LIKE, IT'S JUST A GENERAL FUND.
IT'S JUST LIKE ONE THING, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY MADE UP OF 15 DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO ALL OF THESE THINGS GET PAID OUT OF GENERAL FUND.
SO OUR STREET AND MAINTENANCE THAT'S OUR, AND KEITH WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT BETTER, BUT IT'S REALLY, IT'S REPAIR, IT'S MAINTENANCE, IT'S, UH, INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC LIGHTS, IT'S STUFF.
THAT'S, UM, WE HAVE TO DO TO MAINTAIN THE CITY IT'S GOVERNMENT SERVICES.
CITY COUNCIL IS IN THEIR, UM, COURT IS IN THEIR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
SO ALL OF OUR 9 1, 1 PEOPLE, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING BUILDING SERVICES.
SO IT'S MADE ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS ARE PAID FOR OUT OF GENERAL FUND.
SO NOW I'M SWITCHING GEARS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE KIND OF QUICKLY, BUT I KIND OF WANT TO GIVE YOU A TASTE OF WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET BOOK AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT $379 MILLION, WE HAVE HAVE LINE ITEMS IN OUR BUDGET BOOK, AND THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, CLASSIFIED BY THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I KIND OF WANT TO GIVE YOU A TASTE OF WHAT THIS IS REALLY IS.
IT'S ALL OF OUR 70 FUNDS ARE IN THERE.
SO, UM, THIS KIND OF JUST SHOWS LIKE WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL TOGETHER AND IF I DID IT RIGHT AT THE END, I WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD ALL THAT UP.
BUT, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, SO THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.
SO YOU'VE KIND OF GOT YOUR GENERAL FUND.
WE HAVE GENERAL GOVERNMENT TYPES OF EXPENSES, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE CITY COUNCIL,
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DCC PLANNING.IT'S ALL OF THESE THINGS, UM, CAPITAL OUTLAY, WE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN THIS 45 MILLION, BUT OUR CIP IS IN THERE TOO.
SO SOME ARE SOME CAPITAL OUTLAY.
SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, SCOTT, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, WE IN JIM KINDA GAVE THIS INFORMATION TOO, BUT WHEN YOU LOOKED A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AT PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? JUST SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE COST CENTERS WE'RE LOOKING AT, MAYBE DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES OR, UH, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER TOO, BUT THAT'S WHY THIS SLIDE IS IN HERE.
SO, UM, IF WE TO GO BACK A COUPLE SLIDES TO THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT, ONE MORE.
SO THESE ARE ALL, UM, FUNDS THAT WE FUND OUT OF GENERAL FUND.
AND SOMETIMES WHAT WE SAY IS WE MAY SUBSIDIZE A SERVICE BECAUSE WE SAY WE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITIZENS.
WE MAY NOT CHOOSE TO COVER, CHOOSE TO, TO PRICE THAT SOCCER LEAGUE OR WHATEVER AT FULL PRICE.
WE MAY DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO UNDERWRITE THAT BECAUSE WE THINK IT WAS A GOOD THING FOR, FOR YOU SPORTS, BUT MANY CITIES, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GREAT FOR YOU SPORTS FOR, FOR ADULT SPORTS, LET'S SAY ADULT SOFTBALL, THE TRUE COSTS TO RUN THAT LEAGUE IS, I DON'T KNOW, JUST PICK A NUMBER, WHATEVER THE TRUE COSTS THE CITY COULD DECIDE.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO UNDERWRITE OR SUBSIDIZE THAT.
BUT FOR ADULT SPORTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN EARLEY'S COMING OUT THERE WITH THE $300 BAD AND DIFFERENT THINGS, AND IT'S A FUNNY MEME FOR THE, FOR ADULTS, THE TRUE COST IS THIS.
YOU MAY DECIDE THAT FOR INSTANCE, THOSE PORTIONS OF PROJECTS WITHIN PARKS AND RECS, YOU MAY RUN A COMBINATION OF GENERAL FUND OR ENTERPRISE POINT, MEANING YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE WITH THE TRUE COST OF THAT SERVICE IS SO ADULT SPORTS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE WHAT IT IS, KEEPING BIRDS ARE GREAT EXAMPLE, HEY, IT'S WHATEVER THE COST OF RUNNING THAT GOLF COMPLEX.
AND I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE NAME FROM JUST KICKING BIRD GOLF COMPLEX.
CAUSE WE ALSO RUN PICKLEBALL AND OTHER ACTIVITIES OUT THERE IS THAT A TRUE ENTERPRISE FUND, THE ENTIRE FUNCTION, THEY GOT TO RUN THAT OPERATION ON THE DOLLARS.
THEY GENERATE A SERVICE FOR EXAMPLE.
SO OUR BUILDING SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS A CLASSIC ONE, MANY OTHER CITIES WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BASED ON FEES AND CHARGES OF DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES BASED ON THEIR FEES AND CHARGES.
MEANING IF THE COST OF THAT PLAN REVIEW AND PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING IS I'LL JUST SAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND THAT'S GOING TO COVER THE COST OF THE EMPLOYEES.
THE SERVICE DAYS PROVIDE THAT'S A DECISION THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE TO SAY YOU'RE GROWING THAT BUSINESS.
AND THAT ALLOWS THEN IS AS DEVELOPMENT SWELLS, HEY, WE NEED TO HIRE MORE STAFF BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING STRONG HERE.
WE, WE BRING A STAFF ON BECAUSE THE DEMAND THAT ESCALATES, IF IT FALLS BACK, THEN YOU RELEASE THOSE STAFF BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS NOT THERE.
SO THERE MAY BE DEPARTMENTS AS WE GO AND NOT JUST BUDGET YEAR, BUT THEN IN FUTURE BUDGET, WE MAY LOOK TO SEE, DO ALL THESE AGENCIES CONTINUE TO OPERATE ON THE GENERAL FUND OR ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE SOME OR PART OF THEIR OPERATIONS INTO MORE ENTERPRISE.
NOW, SOME MAY SAY CEMETERY, YOU KNOW, OR AT LEAST I DIDN'T GET IN THERE.
YOU KNOW? SO IS THERE A COST TO, WHAT DOES THAT COST DO? ARE WE TRULY RECAPTURING THAT FULL COST OR NOT? NOW THE COMMUNITY MAY SAY, HEY, IT'S A VALUABLE SERVICE OR I'M GOING TO CHARGE THE FULL COST, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A DECISION A COUNCIL CAN MAKE.
BUT THE EFFORT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING ALL CAUGHT ON ALLOCATED DIRECT REVENUES TO COVER THOSE, AS YOU MAY FIND, THERE'S CERTAIN REVENUE STREAMS WHERE WE SAY THAT'S GOING TO FUND THAT OPERATION.
SO, UM, SO IF YOU GO ABOUT FOUR SLIDE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING, I'M PLANNING IS, UM, WE HAVE SOME KEY PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE FORWARD TO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE.
UH, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EBEN 2050 AND HOUSING, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE DOLLARS IN THERE FOR CONSULTANTS.
STUDIES ARE BILLION DOLLAR AND BILLION DOLLARS.
BOB, NO IDEAS, RANDY, YOU GOT A MILLION DOLLARS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SPECIFIC THINGS WE WANT TO TRY AND TACKLE IN THE UPCOMING YEARS.
UH, SO THE INVENTORY 50 TALKS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS TO IMPLEMENTATION.
WELL, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME CONSULTANTS STUDIES AND SOME OTHER ANALYSIS.
WE'VE ADDED DOLLARS IN THERE TO COVER THAT.
AND SO, AND, AND WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC OUTLOOK AT THE END AND IT'S, WE REALLY ARE ASKING FOR YOUR OPINIONS IS THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES AND HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO SOME OF THIS THINGS? CAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS WE CAN'T REALLY ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW, CAUSE WE'RE JUST KIND OF IN A WEIRD TIME WITH OUR ECONOMICS.
UM, SO, SO ANYWAY, I'LL JUST GO QUICKLY, BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU, THIS IS OUR TRULY OUR TOTAL BUDGET AND THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE IN PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL REVENUE WHILE THAT'S OUR POLICE AND FIRE, WHICH, WHICH YOU WOULD EXPECT OUT
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OF A PUBLIC SAFETY LINE PARK AND REC WHAT I KIND OF WANT TO POINT OUT HERE, YOU KNOW, AND WE DO A GREAT JOB.WE SUPPORT A LOT OF NONPROFITS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOCATED IN THREE DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO, UM, WE HAVE LIKE, SO HERE WE START OUR SOCIAL AGENCIES.
SO LIKE RIGHT HERE, THESE THEY'RE IN HERE, UM, ART AND PUBLIC PLACES IS IN HERE.
WE HAVE, UH, WHICH THAT'S IN THE CIP.
SO JUST OF TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, IF YOU ADD THEM ALL UP AND ACTUALLY GO THROUGH, WE SPEND ABOUT $2 MILLION A YEAR ON OUR DONATIONS TO OUR NONPROFITS, UH, STREETS AND HIGHWAYS.
THIS IS, THIS IS ONE THAT, UM, IT INCLUDES SOME OUT OF GENERAL FUND, AS YOU CAN SEE, SORRY, WRONG BUTTON, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR REPAIR AND WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME COMING OUT OF GENERAL FUND CIP IS GOING TO BE YOUR INTERSECTIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH CIP AND THEN INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, YOU HAVE FLEET MANAGEMENT AND VEHICLE MAINTENANCE IN THERE.
SO, UM, SO HERE WE ARE, AGAIN AT ANOTHER ADDED SLIDE THAT KIND OF TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WHOLE STREETS AND HIGHWAYS AND MAINTENANCE.
WE CAN COVER THIS LATER OR NOW, BUT BASICALLY, UM, THROUGHOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF, WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO SHOW YOU EVERY MILLION DOLLAR DOLLARS THAT WE SPEND IN CERTAIN THINGS.
SO IT KIND OF COMES TO LIKE, DO YOU WANT TO SPEND MORE, DO YOU WANT TO SPEND LESS? WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM YOUR PATRONS? YOU KNOW, ARE THEY COMPLAINING ABOUT STREETS? JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS A KEY SLIDE.
SO IF COUNCIL SAID, HEY, I THINK JIM, YOU MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ABOUT OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE IS WHAT 75, 75.
SO YOU MAY WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT SCALE IS.
SO WHAT DO YOU SAY 75 IS THAT 75 OUT OF A HUNDRED MEETING, A HUNDRED BEING THE BEST OR YES, IT'S JUST A RATING NUMBER THAT WE USE IN ENGINEERING.
WE GO OUT AND SURVEY, WE HIRED A CONSULTANT, DO THAT FOR US, GO OUT AND SURVEY THE ROADS, COME UP WITH A LEVEL OF SERVICE CURRENTLY.
AND THEN WE LOOK AT OUR FUTURE PLAN OF WHAT ROAD WE PRIORITIZE, ROADS, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NEXT.
UH, BUT IF WE WANTED TO RAISE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE AS THE CONDITION ON THE ROAD, YOUR DRIVING CONDITION FROM A 75 TO AN 85, UM, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD TAKE, SAY A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR ABOUT NEXT FOUR YEARS, WE COULD GET TO THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT.
UM, I THINK, AND THIS JUST A SIDE NOTE, I THINK A LOT OF OUR COMPLAINTS ABOUT TRAFFIC COMES FROM CAPACITY IS USED AT INTERSECTIONS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ATTACKING NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SECOND BRYANT, UM, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO SIT TO THROW A TRAFFIC LIGHT MORE THAN ONCE THAT'S IRRITATING AND WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, BUT IF YOU WANT TO IMPROVE THE RIDING CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD SURFACE, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD A DIVORCE.
AND SO HE JUST WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE TOP ITEMS. WHEN WE GET CITIZEN SURVEYS BACK IS OUR ROADS AND STREETS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S, I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A SON OR DAUGHTER IN PARKS AND RACKS, BUT BOY, I DRIVE THE STREETS EVERY DAY AND WHETHER THE STREET CONDITION AND TRAFFIC.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO JUST PUT A NUMBER INSTEAD OF SAYING, LET'S JUST THROW DOLLARS AT IT.
WHAT'S THE TRUE IMPACT OF THAT.
SO WE JUST TRY TO JUST SHOW YOU, WELL, IF YOU WERE TO INCREASE STREETS AND ALLEYS BY A MILLION DOLLARS MORE, WHAT WOULD THAT GENERATE? DOES THAT MEAN? WE GET TO DO SO MANY MORE, UH, UH, ROAD COVERAGES OR MAY, HEY, WE COULD DO ADDITIONAL INTERSECTION THAT WE MAYBE HAVE PUSHED OFF A FEW YEARS, BUT NOW WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHOW COUNCIL OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL RESERVES, MAYBE WE'VE WE, WE INCREASED THAT LIGHT ON BY ADDITIONAL MILLION OR COUNCIL COULD SAY, HEY, WE HAVE STRATEGIC PLAN TO GET UP TO 85.
WHAT WILL IT TAKE JIM TO GET THERE? WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHOW COUNCIL.
HERE'S SOME OPTIONS TO PLAY WITH.
AND JUST SAY, INSTEAD OF SAYING, WE NEED MORE MONEY.
WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THOSE DOLLARS DO FOR US? WE'RE NOT SAYING GIVE US A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE.
WE ALWAYS, I THINK JIM AND STEVE COULD ALWAYS USE THIS WHOLE FUNDS TO GO HELP DO ROADS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW YOU EMPIRICALLY.
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
HERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS EVERY YEAR.
WHAT IS THAT GOING TO GET US, JIM, JIM CONDEMNED OBJECTIVELY SAY HERE'S WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE.
AND SOME OF US WILL COME FORWARD.
AS WE TALK ABOUT ARPA-E DOWN THE ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, LATER ON THE DISCUSSION, WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ART, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE PREVIOUS ALLOCATIONS THAT NOW WITH, WITH SOME OF THE RECENT DETERMINATIONS, MOSTLY AREN'T ELIGIBLE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO COME FORWARD TO THEM, SOME OPTIONS OF HOW TO REDEPLOY THOSE DOLLARS.
SO THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF COUNCIL CONSIDER, WELL, HEY, I'VE GOT DIFFERENT CHOICES.
WHERE DO WE WANT TO DO THOSE DOLLARS? SO THANKS TO ALSO IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, 75, 80 5%,
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WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, HAVE TO BE ABLE TO VISUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO A HUNDRED PERCENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND OUR CITIZENS STILL SAY IT'S NOT ENOUGH.AND BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE DESIRING MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE BASED ON, ON ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT CRITERIA'S.
SO WHAT AM I, THE THING I MIGHT KIND OF POINT OUT TO YOU IS THAT YOU SEE THIS 900,000 RIGHT HERE FOR STREET AND FUNNY ALLEY FUNDING.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE T THE TAX THAT WE BRING IN, IT'S A GAS AND VEHICLE TAX.
AND THAT ACTUALLY IS PART OF OUR NEGOTIATED AMOUNT THOUGH, THAT WE TRANSFER OUT.
SO WE LITERALLY GET TO KEEP 300 IN GENERAL THEN TO SPEND TOWARDS STREET.
AND SO YOU CAN JUST SEE IT'S GOTTA COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, SORRY, GOTTA COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN EXAMPLE, UM, THE WAY THAT THE GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING WORKS AND HOW FUNDS COME IN, WE TEND TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S ALL OF OUR TAX REVENUE, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE DIVISIONS 15 OR MORE THAT SPEND IT, AND IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR TO SEE LIKE, WELL, WHO'S, WHO'S OVERSPENDING.
SO I DO INTEND TO TRY AND GET MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY TO LOOK AT THAT.
SO WE CAN REALLY SEE IT EASIER BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND PIECE, WHICH THAT'S WHERE THIS 900,000 GOES INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, WE WERE AT 21 MILLION TO RENT TO DO ALL THIS.
SO, UM, WE, WE ARE SUPPLEMENTED.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO I'LL JUST KIND OF KEEP GOING QUICKLY, JUST KIND OF TO SHOW YOU HERE'S A FEW MORE OF OUR NONPROFITS THAT WE SUPPORT, UM, UTILITY SERVICES, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSE THERE IS, IS ALREADY PWI.
SO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO SPEND ON TO KEEP CLEAN WATER RUNNING AND OUR ELECTRICITY ON.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ACTIVITY IS HERE'S WHERE THE REST OF OUR SOCIAL AGENCIES ARE.
SO JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PORTION LIGHTER THAT TELLS WHAT ALL THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, WHO ALL WE FIND AND WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, BUT JUST KIND OF LET YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR BUDGET AND YOU'RE TRYING TO SEE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT ON ONE LINE, UM, ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S, IT'S OUR CIP FUND.
YOU KNOW, THE PROJECTS WE'RE DOING IN CIP PRINCIPAL.
AND ANDREW'S JUST KIND OF AN INTERESTING LITTLE SLIDE HERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, CIP OUR DEBT SERVICES AROUND 7 MILLION AND, UM, THIS UTILITY FOR NEXT YEAR INCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT IN CHRIS'S WONDERFUL.
SO HE'S COME UP WITH THE, WHAT HE THINKS HE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO DRAW DOWN AND SPEND.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY BASED ON NEXT YEAR, WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO, HOW MUCH CASH WE'RE GOING TO USE AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING, WHICH CHRIS CAN ELOQUENTLY DESCRIBE IN MORE DETAIL THAN I CAN.
BUT, AND THEN THIS IS JUST RESERVES.
IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF DEBT WE HAVE.
AND SO FOR INSTANCE, ON KICKING BIRD, IT WASN'T A, UH, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? IT, IT WAS LIKE PRI, IT WAS LIKE A ONE, UH, ONE, UH, IT WAS SUPPORTED BY ONE GROUP.
IT'S NOT LIKE DIDN'T GO OUT TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL TYPES OF DIFFERENT BANKS.
ONE BANK WAS ABLE TO SERVICE IT.
AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP RESERVES ON THOSE TYPES OF LOANS.
THIS IS AN OLDER ONE THAT WE HAD, AND IT JUST, THEY JUST REQUIRE THAT WE KEEP RESERVES REALLY IS PROBABLY YOUR LAST PAYMENT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, SO FAR REVENUE EXPENSES? THAT'S GREAT.
OH, DO I NEED TO COME BACK AT NINE? O'CLOCK FROM THE BREAK.
SO NOW WE HAVE A FEW DEPARTMENTAL HIGHLIGHTS, SO WE KIND OF REVIEW THIS EVERY YEAR.
AND, UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET'S JUST STOP AND WE'LL GET THE VARIOUS PEOPLE OUT HERE TO EXPLAIN BETTER.
I HAD TO CHAIN HAVE LAST MINUTE CHANGES CAUSE I GET EVERYTHING IN THERE CORRECTLY, BUT BASICALLY, UM, SO WE'LL KIND OF GOING THROUGH SOME OF OUR MAJOR FUNDS.
HAVEN'T HIT EVERY ONE OF THEM, BUT, UM, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, VERY IMPORTANT.
WE HAVE A VERY SAFE CITY AND IT'S WHAT ATTRACTS A LOT OF PEOPLE TO OUR CITY.
SO WE DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, FUNDED AND UP-TO-DATE.
AND SO, UM, SO CHRIS, GOOD ONE, IF I, IF YOU NEED TO ADD ANYTHING WHEREVER YOU ARE, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF A RUNDOWN OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR.
UM, SO BUYING SOME NEW APPARATUS, HE'S LOOKING AT, UM,
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YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE PRETTY GOOD RESERVES.AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOW THEY CAN USE THOSE RESERVES.
AND WE ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY INVESTIGATE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALLOWED IN HERE, ALL OF OUR NEGOTIATED CONTRACTS, THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FIRE STATION, NUMBER SIX AND TWO ADDITIONAL TO BUY ADDITIONAL APPARATUS AND EQUIPMENT FOR THAT STATION.
AND THEY HAVE A HIRING PROCESS.
IT RECENTLY, I THINK, DID YOU JUST HAVE 12 AND NOW YOU'RE DOING ANOTHER NINE.
AND SO, AND IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING NEW NEW STATIONS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO, UM, GROWING, SERVING THE COMMUNITY BETTER, LOOKING AT EDMUND 2050 OVER IN THE EAST SIDE OF EDMOND, ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE PLANNED WELL AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, AND THEN HE'S ADDITIONALLY LOOKING FOR LAND PURCHASE FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE STATION LOCATIONS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT YOU'RE GETTING COMPLAINTS OR PRAISES OR GOOD JOB.
SO WITH OUR POLICE AS WELL, UM, THEY'VE BOTH OF THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE HAD RECRUITS AND THEY'RE REALLY GROWING THE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS WONDERFUL AS OUR POPULATION GROWS.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE SOME POSITIVE BALANCES IN THEIR, IN THEIR FUND BALANCE.
UH, BUT THEY PLAN TO, THEY'VE GOT A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE NOW FOR THEIR RADIOS, COMPUTERS AND CAMERAS IS LIKE A SCHEDULED, UH, REPLACEMENT SO THAT AS THEY BECOME OBSOLETE, THEY'RE UP TO DATE AND HAVE THE CURRENT, MOST CURRENT TECHNOLOGY.
THERE'S A NEW POLICE ACADEMY THAT WILL IS NAMED 2208.
IT WILL BEGIN IN SEPTEMBER OF 22, RIGHT.
AND, UM, IT'S A 14 WEEK TRAINING THAT WE'LL PLACE OFFICERS INTO THE FIELD BY MAY OF 2023.
UM, DO YOU WANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANYTHING ELSE? J D LOVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE LET OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROWING AND KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
AND THEN, UM, EBEN PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY, WHICH HAS ALL OF OUR UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, SO ELECTRIC WATER WASTE, WATER, SOLID WASTE DRAINAGE, AND ARCADIA.
WE HAVE, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, RECENT COUNCIL MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, THE WHAT $259 MILLION PHASE TWO THAT WE'RE COMING INTO.
SO FOR WATER, UH, SECOND, OUR SECOND PHASE AND OUR NEW WATER PLANT, RIGHT? WHERE DID HE GO?
HE'S TRYING TO BE ONE OF THE BIKES.
SO I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
HONESTLY, I WOULD SAY TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LAST, OUR, OUR WINTER VORTEX AND OUR ICE STORM AND EVERYTHING BETWEEN FACILITY MAINTENANCE AND KEITH STEWART AND HIS GROUP, AND, UM, AND, AND BOBBY, AND IN ALL OF OUR, OUR SOLID WASTE GROUP, OUR ELECTRIC AND OUR WATER KEPT RUNNING ALL THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ROLLING BLACKOUTS.
AND THAT WAS REALLY DUE TO WATER AND ELECTRIC WORKING TOGETHER AND TAKING LOADS OFF WHERE THEY COULD.
AND THEN OUR WATER DEPARTMENT, JUST MAY BASICALLY KEEPING EVERYTHING MAINTAINED.
WE'VE ALL KIND OF HEARD ABOUT OKLAHOMA CITY AND HOW THEY'RE LIKE CRAZY GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND A LOT, A LOT OF MONEY TO COME UP TO STANDARDS.
AND, UM, OUR GROUP HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF REALLY KEEPING UP AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT COSTING US SO MUCH.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF EVERY, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE COUNCILS MEMBERS HEARD OR NOT, BUT WHEN WE HAD OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING, TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AND JUST OUR COUNCIL ON ALL OF THAT, THAT AS WELL, OUR, OUR BOND COUNCIL, UM, NOT OUR CITY COUNCIL, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO REALLY WATCH WHEN WE LOCKED IN INTEREST RATES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND REALLY EVERYBODY ALONG THE LINE IS TRYING TO SAVE MONEY WHERE THEY CAN, WE SAY LIKE $200,000 BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO LOCK A RATE IN, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HUGE EXPENDITURES LIKE THIS.
SO ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT TO BALLET ELECTRIC, UM, THEY PROVIDE ABOUT $7 MILLION A YEAR TO THE GENERAL FUND AND, UM, IT'S THROUGH RIGHT OF WAY FEES AND JUST GENERALLY A TRANSFER THINGS THAT THEY HAVE COMING UP ARE THE ADVANCED METERING, THE AMI, WHICH IS UNDERWAY.
GLEN TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO HE'S, UM, I ACTUALLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
I DON'T THINK, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT WE ENDED 22 SPENDING A LITTLE BIT MORE CAUSE WE BOUGHT ALL THOSE AMI METERS AND, UM, SO THAT IT KIND OF ALL WORKS INTO THE BUDGET THAT WAY, ECONOMIC, UH, EDA, THEY FUND THAT AND IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT PIECE.
IT'S ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A COMPONENT UNIT.
IT'S NOT PART OF OUR BUDGET PER SE, BUT EDMUND ELECTRIC FUNDS THAT, AND THAT BRINGS IN, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO OUR CITY.
UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THIS IS.
SO EDMUND ELECTRIC PROVIDES, UM, AT LEAST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
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KIND OF LET THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT RESERVES.SOMETIMES WE DON'T SPEND ALL OF THAT, BUT THE MOST RECENT PROJECT WAS, UH, FUNDING ABOUT $400,000 ON THE ICE HOUSE.
SO WHEN SOME OF THESE ECONOMIC PROJECTS COME INTO PLAY, THIS IS A PLACE WE CAN GO AND SAY, GOSH, WE NEED A PARKING LOT.
CAN YOU HELP PARTNER WITH US? OR IT'S JUST A FUN DAY, REALLY HELP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONTINUE, UM, WATER FUND.
THIS IS CHRIS'S BABY IN THERE.
HE IS ALREADY, HE'S ALREADY TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, WE'RE IN PHASE TWO, JUST PAST ALL OF THAT GONE OUT FOR BID AND SO FORTH.
AND SO WE'RE GETTING READY TO START THAT IN 2023.
UM, BUT BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT CHRIS WILL SAY A LOT IN, AND IT'S VERY TRUE.
WE HAVE VERY GOOD CLEAN DRINKING WATER IN, AND ONE REASON THAT OUR RATES ARE WHAT THEY ARE IS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE STAYED AHEAD OF THE CURVE, I THINK IN DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WE ALSO ARE WATERING OUR LAWNS WITH CLEAN DRINKING WATER.
YOU COULD GO OUT IN YOUR SPRINKLER AND DRINK IT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE OVER 550 MILES OF DISTRIBUTION LINES, 52 WATER WELLS.
DO WE HAVE MORE WATER WELLS NOW? YES, BECAUSE WE WERE LIKE FIVE.
SO WE'VE GOT MORE WATER WELLS IN THE WORKS, BUT THEY'RE NOT DONE YET.
AND THEN, UM, THE MASTER PLAN WE'RE IN THE FOURTH OF A FIVE FIVE-YEAR PHASED IN RATE INCREASE.
IT WILL INCREASE AGAIN TO US BY 7% BEGINNING ON NOVEMBER 1ST, IT'S NOVEMBER.
FIRST OF EVERY YEAR, WE HAVE ONE MORE YEAR OF THAT AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIFTH YEAR THIS YEAR, BUT WE DELAYED IT 2019 I THINK.
UM, AND THEN DEBT AND RESERVES ARE, ARE USED TO FUND THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE WATER SYSTEM.
SO, UM, WE'RE SET TO START OUR NEXT PHASE EARLY NEXT YEAR.
WASTEWATER FUND IS ALSO, UM, BUDGETED AND OVER CHRIS OVERSEES THAT, UM, IT'S THE CITY'S WASTEWATER COLLECTION.
AND IT'S 450 MILES OF COLLECTION LINES, SIX LIFT STATIONS AND A COFFEE CREEK WATER RESOURCE RECOVERY FACILITY.
UM, WE ARE IN THE FIFTH YEAR OF RATE INCREASE ON THAT FIFTH OF FIVE YEARS AND IT WILL BE A 3% INCREASE.
AND THAT STARTS ALSO ON NOVEMBER 1ST SOLID WASTE.
THIS IS BOBBY MASTERSON OVERSEES THIS.
AND, UM, WE HAVE OVER 33,000 RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AND 2,600 COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER.
SO RIGHT THERE, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'RE HEAVILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH, UM, CAUSES A LITTLE BIT OF MORE OF A CHALLENGE IN YOUR FUNDING OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL SEE DIFFERENT, UH, NUMBERS ON OUR CUSTOMERS, BUT 40,000 KIND OF ROLES IN MY MIND, BUT THEY ALL DON'T TAKE ALL OF OUR SERVICES.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS 33 VERSUS LIKE 40,000.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, EACH, EACH RESIDENCE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE RECYCLING PROGRAM THAT INCLUDES A SINGLE STREAM RECYCLING.
SO THAT'S YOUR, YOUR CARTS AT YOUR HOUSE.
AND, UM, THAT WAS ADDED IN A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT IT CONTINUES TO BE POPULAR DRAINAGE FUND.
IS THAT STEVE MAN CAUSE THAT YOU, YEAH, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE DRAINAGE FUND IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOURS.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, THIS, THE DRAINAGE FUND IS ACTUALLY WE DISCHARGED THREE, $3 A RESIDENTIAL FEE AND IT DOESN'T COVER EVERYTHING.
SO IT IS ALSO FUNDED BY OTHER SOURCES THROUGH COMMUNITY IMAGE FOR FORESTRY DEPARTMENT IN GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE THE $3 DOESN'T COVER THE 3 MILLION THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND ON THAT ARCADIA LAKE RECENTLY HAD A RATE INCREASE.
IT DOES BRING IN OVER A MILLION A YEAR.
IT INCREASED LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF, UM, THE PANDEMIC.
IT REALLY BECAME VERY POPULAR AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN OUR ARPA FUNDING A LITTLE BIT.
AND, UM, IT, IT, IT DOES QUALIFY UNDER THE ARPA RULES AS FAR AS, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST OPEN SPACES AND PROVIDING, PROVIDING, PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES TO PEOPLE THAT ARE MAYBE UNDERSERVED.
SO WE DID RECENTLY, UH, APPROVE A MASTER PLAN.
SO HERE OUR OTHER THREE, JUST OUR OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THAT'S KICKING HER GOLF, THE CD.
SO HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SITTING LINK.
I THINK I SHOULD HAVE BEEN CITY LINKED, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S AN EVG WHERE'S CHRISSY
ANYWAY, AND YOUR GO SHOP, THOSE ARE OUR OTHERS, AND IT'S JUST FUN BY FUN TOO, BUT THEY ARE INTENDED TO BE, UM, ENTERPRISE FUNDS WHERE THEY DO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BUSINESS TYPE FUNDS THAT COVER THEIR OWN EXPENSES, KICKING BIRD, AS WE ALL KNOW IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THEY'RE MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT A $21 MILLION PROJECT.
UM, BUT IT, WE WILL BE A LEADER WE'RE EXPECTING
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TO HAVE A MAJOR GOLF TOURNAMENT THERE FROM A, UH, WELL-KNOWN PGA GOLFER.AND SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING.
UM, WE'RE A LOT OF NEW FACILITIES.
SO A CLUBHOUSE, UH, RESTAURANT INDOOR TEACHING FACILITY DRIVING RANGE IS GOING TO BE REALLY NICE.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO REALLY BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE STATE TO, TO PLAY AT.
AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO OPEN MARCH 1ST OF 23.
UM, CDBG IS OUR COMMUNITY BLOCK DEVELOPMENT GRANT.
THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE BY CHRISTIE BATTERSON AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL FEDERAL FUNDING, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO SHE ADMINISTRATES THAT IT'S ACTUALLY, IT, IT SERVES A LOT OF THE UNDERSERVED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND CHRISSY DOES A GREAT JOB OF ADMINISTRATING THAT.
AND IT'S GOT A WHOLE VETTING PROCESS APPLICATION PROCESS.
SO IT'S PRETTY REGULATED AND WE HAVE TO REPORT BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT.
SO IT'S REAL SIMILAR TO ANY FEDERAL GRANT THAT WE GET.
WE HAD RECEIVED CARES FUNDING IN THE PAST.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE 1.7, NINE, 3 MILLION.
UM, AND WE WON'T HAVE THAT THIS YEAR.
SO LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT ACTUALLY RECEIVED ENOUGH FUNDING THAT IT WAS ABLE TO PRETTY MUCH RUN ON ITS OWN, BUT IN OUR BUDGET GOING FORWARD, WE'RE FUN.
WE'RE SUPPLEMENTING THAT BY THAT A MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, SO THIS YEAR LET'S SEE, THIS WAS THIS 22 YEAR.
AND IN MY RIGHT, IN THIS NEXT YEAR, 23, SO 23 IS GOING TO BE THE 5 0 8.
SO YOU CAN SEE IF WE ARE SPENDING LIKE OVER A MILLION A YEAR.
AND SO THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME FUNDING SOURCE FROM SOMETHING, SOME OTHER SOURCES.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? NO.
UM, THEN OUR AMBULATORY SERVICES FUND ALSO KNOWN AS OUR
WE CONTRACT WITH AMSA IT'S RUNS ABOUT SIX, I'VE GOT OOPS, 699.
SO WE BUDGETED IN CASE THEY INCREASED THEIR RATE, BUT IT'S BEEN PRETTY STEADY FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, BUT IT'S A THREE MONTH, $3 A MONTH CHARGE THAT YOU CAN OPT INTO.
WE HAVE ABOUT 24,000 RESIDENTS THAT ACTUALLY DO THAT.
AND, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABLE TO COVER THE COST OF THAT.
SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A GOOD PROGRAM FOR OUR CITIZENS.
AND THEN CITY LINK IS A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
IT'S IN THE 13TH YEAR OF OPERATION AND IT WAS DOWN LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, THE RIDERSHIP.
UM, BUT MOST OF THAT FUNDING COMES FROM FEDERAL AND STATE TOO.
SO, UM, WE DID LOSE ONE OF OUR PARTNERS UCO, BUT THAT CONTINUES TO BE A PROGRAM THAT REALLY IS KIND OF A DECISION WHEN KIND OF, WHAT DIRECTION DO WE WANT TO TAKE THAT? DO YOU WANT TO PUT MORE FUNDING INTO IT, LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, BUT IT'S KIND OF A DECISION POINT AS WELL.
UM, AND NOW WE'RE AT HUMAN RESOURCES AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LISA.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS PRESENT TO YOU A PERSONNEL HISTORY, THE CURRENT AND PROJECTED HISTORY, OUR PROJECTED PROJECTIONS ON PERSONNEL, AND ALSO WHAT WE ARE FACING TODAY IN OUR CHALLENGES.
UH, WE HAVE HIRED AS OF JULY ONE OF 20, 20, 73 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
AND THAT WAS TO FILL EXISTING POSITIONS AND ADDED POSITIONS FROM FISCAL YEAR 22.
WE'VE HAD 59 FULL-TIME SEPARATIONS.
OUR TURNOVER RATE IS AT 8.13%.
UH, THE TURNOVER RATE THIS TIME LAST YEAR WAS AT 6.59.
THE NATIONAL TURNOVER RATE IS AT 3.8%.
OKLAHOMA TURNOVER RATE IS AT 2.7%.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, 35 FULL-TIME POSITIONS.
AND THAT WOULD BRING OUR TOTAL POSITIONS TO 847.
SIX ARE ENTERPRISE FUNDED POSITIONS.
SO SIX ENTERPRISE FUNDED POSITIONS ARE DUE TO THE EXPANSION OF KICKING BIRD.
NOW FOUR OF THOSE SIX POSITIONS, IT IS DEPENDENT IF THEY OUTSOURCE OR CONTRACT FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS CENTER AND ALSO THE RESTAURANT.
IF THEY CONTRACT THAT OUT, THEN THEY WOULDN'T NEED THOSE FOUR POSITIONS.
BUT IF THEY DECIDE TO DO THAT, IN-HOUSE, THEY WOULD NEED THOSE FOUR POSITIONS.
NOW, THOSE FOUR POSITIONS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE 23 BUDGET.
UH, THE 13 REMAINING POSITIONS IS BUILDING ENGINEERING, IT UTILITY CUSTOMER SERVICE AND COURT.
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UM, Y WE'VE HAD A JUMP OF 35.IT IS TO ACCOMMODATE OUR COMMUNITY GROWTH PERSONNEL BUDGET FOR 2122.
WAS IT 89 MILLION, UH, FOR 20 FISCAL YEAR 20 IT'S AT 98 MILLION.
WHY THEY'RE SUCH A LARGE JUMP? I THINK IT'S A 29.8% INCREASE IT'S BECAUSE IN 23, FISCAL YEAR 23, WE HAVE 27 PAY PERIODS VERSUS THE NORMAL 26 PAY PERIODS.
SO THAT'S WHY THE INCREASE, LET ME SAY, CAN I JUMP IN FOR A SECOND? SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IN THOSE 35 POSITIONS, YOU HAVE 16 THAT ARE PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS, AND THOSE ARE FUNDED BY OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, FUNDING CYCLES.
SO THEY DON'T HIT THE GENERAL FUND.
SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND THE ADDITIONAL SIX ENTERPRISE.
SO THEY HAVE REVENUE STREAMS. UH, THE OTHER ONES WE'LL BE LOOKING IN THE COMING YEAR OR YEARS, ARE THERE OTHER, LIKE BUILDING AND ENGINEERING AND, UM, UCS, SHOULD THEY BE TIED MORE DIRECTLY TO REVENUE STREAMS AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT I AND OTHERS ARE THINKING OURS IS, ARE THE REVENUE STREAMS THAT WE CAN TIE SPECIFIC POSITIONS THAT ARE TIED EITHER TO GROWTH ISSUES AND OR SPECIFIC SERVICES, UH, TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE ARE TIED TO GROWTH, WHICH HAVE SPECIFIC REVENUE SOURCES.
SO IN THE FUTURE, WHICH YOU MAY SEE IS, IS TYING POSITIONS TO CERTAIN REVENUE STREAMS VERSUS JUST SAYING ON GENERAL, WE'RE HIRING 10 NEW PEOPLE WITHOUT IDENTIFYING WHERE THOSE REVENUE SOURCES ARE.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT THESE MOST, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE WILL NOT HIT OUR GENERAL FUND.
THEY'LL HIT EITHER SPECIFIC POLICE AND FIRE FUNDS OR IN, IN ENTERPRISE FUNDS, UM, LOCATIONS, AND ALSO THAT 98 MILLION.
IT INCLUDES BIKE, A MEDICARE BASED SALARY PENSION, UH, ANY ALLOWANCES.
UM, SO IT'S INCLUSIVE OF ALL PERSONNEL BUDGET.
THIS GIVES YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE CITY'S HISTORY OR A FIVE YEAR IT'S A PROJECTION, UH, OR IF IT'S A HISTORY, THIS ONE'S THE HISTORY, UH, FROM 18 TO 22, AND FROM 18 TO 20 TO OUR PERSONNEL COSTS WENT UP 25.8%.
OUR EMPLOYEE COUNT WENT UP FROM 18 TO 22, 7 0.9%.
THIS GRAPH SHOWS THE PERSONNEL COSTS BY DEPARTMENT, AND THIS INCLUDES THE PROPOSED 35 POSITIONS.
AND AS YOU SEE, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, TAKES UP 19% OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET POLICE, 24% FIRE, 23% LECTRIC 7.6% COMMUNICATIONS, 2.7 ADMINISTRATION 0.9 AND WATER RESOURCES, 4.5.
UH, NOW WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS, DOES NOT INCLUDE FUTURE COLA'S AND DOES NOT INCLUDE ADDED POSITIONS.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS ONLY THE STEP INCREASES IN FUTURE YEARS, OUR CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE HAVING, AND IT'S, IT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING NOW.
AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE IS ATTRACTING CANDIDATES FOR OUR POSITIONS.
ALSO, WE'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH RETAINING, AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE 56 VACANT POSITIONS.
THE TURNOVER RATE IS AT 8.13%, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST IT'S BEEN IN SINCE 2015, OUR ECONOMY RIGHT NOW, THE CPI INDEX IS AT 8.1%.
UM, AGAIN, 56 VACANT POSITION POSITIONS.
UH, WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE INSURANCE INCREASE.
THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE WILL BE MEETING IN AUGUST, AND WE WILL BE LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT PLAN DESIGN, THE TRENDS, OUR INSURANCE, OUR CLAIMS EXPERIENCE FOR 22, UM, POSSIBLE PREMIUM INCREASES.
THE NATIONAL TREND FOR MEDICAL IS UP.
UM, LET'S SEE HERE, 6% PHARMACEUTICAL IS THAT 9%.
OUR STOP LOSS, THE NATIONAL TERM FOR STOP-LOSS IS UP 9%.
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DENTAL IS UP 4%.SO IT'S, WE WILL MOST LIKELY, UM, WHEN THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE MEETS, WHAT THEY LOOK AT IS THE PLAN.
CAN THEY RESTRUCTURE THE PLAN TO HELP, UM, WITH THE PREMIUM COST? UH, BUT SOMETIMES THAT, THAT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT PREMIUM INCREASE.
UM, OH, QUICK QUESTION TO DO WE KNOW WHY IF THE, UH, OUR RETENTION AND INTERNAL RATE IS SO HIGH, BASED ON IF THE OKLAHOMA TURNOVER RATE IS UP, IS GUESSTIMATED TO BE 2.7 AND THE NATIONAL, UM, THIS IS THIS FOR ALL INDUSTRIES.
YEAH, IT IS FOR ALL INDUSTRIES.
I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S THE PHYSICIANS THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE VERY HARD TO FILL POSITIONS.
UM, WE, WE IN HR COMPLETE EXIT INTERVIEWS, EVERYBODY, EVERY TIME SOMEBODY LEAVES AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THEY'RE CHASING THE MONEY.
THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE BENEFITS AND WE HAVE EXCELLENT BENEFITS RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY CAN GO BRAHMS AND MAKE $17 AN HOUR.
THEY CAN GO TO A CHICK-FIL-A AND STARTING SALARY IS $14 AN HOUR.
SO THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT, UM, THE CHALLENGES OF, UH, THEM LEAVING US FOR ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY.
IT'S THE CHALLENGE OF THEM LEAVING US FOR BUSINESSES THAT ARE HIRING MORE RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE SHORT MONEY, NOT THE LEARNING.
AND OCCASIONALLY WE FOUND THAT SOMEWHERE, OUR FOLKS WILL COME BACK.
YEAH, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE COME MAYBE A YEAR OR TWO, BUT THEY'VE COME BACK AFTER REALIZING GRASS WITH BENEFITS.
UH, THIS, THIS GRAPH SHOWS YOU OUR VACANCY COUNT WATER RESOURCES TO ADMINISTRATION, 14 COMMUNICATIONS.
UH, STEVE POSITIONS APPROVED THROUGH THE BUDGET, UH, ELECTRIC, 10 FIRE, ZERO POLICE NINE AND PUBLIC WORKS 18.
SO LISA, I THINK THIS STARTS THE CRITICAL ONE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME PEOPLE COULD SAY ADMINISTRATION, OKAY, WHATEVER SCOTT DO MORE TAKE OUT THE TRASH YOURSELF, THOSE TYPES OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND WE CAN GET BY THE CHALLENGE, REALLY, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, MY GLASSES ON HERE, PUBLIC WORKS, ELECTRIC WATER RESOURCES, THOSE ARE CRITICAL POSITIONS.
I MEAN, YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY WORK IN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
YOU HAVE TO, SOMEBODY IN ORDER GLENN, YOU KNOW, WORK IN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS AS STAFF AND THE POWER GOES OUT AND GLEN'S LIKE, WELL, I DON'T HAVE STAFF.
THESE ARE CRITICAL POSITIONS THAT ABOUT THE BASIC NECESSITIES OF LIFE, THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR A CITY TO HAVE CERTAIN SERVICES.
THEY CAN DEAL WITH THE VACANCY IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
OOH, WHAT DO YOU DO? WE SAVE SOME MONEY THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT SAME ATTITUDE.
IF SOME OF THESE KEY POSITIONS, THERE'S NOT SOMEBODY TO RESPOND TO A SITUATION OR, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THAT IMPROVEMENT FOR THREE WEEKS BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE ONE CREW TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, MAYBE I CAN ASK GLEN OR, OR CHRIS OR SOMEBODY ELSE TO TALK ABOUT.
I MEAN, HOW CRITICAL AND WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING, OR MAYBE AT LEAST YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE MARKETPLACE AND THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE, PARTICULARLY IN THOSE, THOSE SECTORS.
UM, AND I THINK IN THE, LIKE, AGAIN, WE, WE MOVE, IT'S HARD TO FIND SKILLED WORKERS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S HARD TO FIND LABORERS RIGHT NOW.
UM, IN COMMUNICATIONS, I WILL, I WILL SAY, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT MOVING FROM A LESS STRESS POSITION TO A POSITION THAT'S PAYING MORE, UH, AND TALKING TO MATT.
AND HE, HE WAS SAYING THE OTHER DAY, IF HE LOSES ONE MORE, IT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL.
IT'S GOING TO BE CRITICAL TO THE OPERATIONS.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE SEEING AND ALL POSITIONS.
SO WITH FIELD SERVICES AND ELECTRIC, WE HAVE ADJUSTED SEVERAL POSITIONS.
WE DO OFFER, UM, AND SOME OF THESE HARD TO FEEL POSITIONS A $2,000 SIGNING BONUS.
WE'RE STILL NOT GETTING APPLICANTS.
UM, WE'VE OFFERED TO EMPLOYEES A $500 REFERRAL BONUS, AND WE'VE ONLY GIVEN OUT ONE OF THAT $500.
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SO IT'S, AND THEN PLUS THE 35 POSITIONS, ALONG WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF 56 POSITIONS, WE'RE GOING TO BE DOWN 80 SOMETHING POSITIONS.DO WE KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE? I KNOW THAT'S GOING A LITTLE DEEP.
UM, I, WE DID A STUDY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO AND A LOT OF THEM I'M LIVE IN LOGAN COUNTY, A LOOSER ARCADIA GUTHRIE, UM, ON THE MORE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF EDMOND.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE WHERE THEY WORK, BUT ALSO LOOK AT IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE WHERE THEY WORK, BUT ALSO LOOK AT IT.
WHERE IS THE, WHERE'S THE SOURCE OF THAT EMPLOYEE? SO WHEN I WORKED FOR THE MILITARY, WE WERE LOOKING FOR MECHANICS AND A LOT OF OUR CLINICS WERE PRIOR MILL.
AND SINCE THE AIR FORCE WENT TO, UM, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MCCANN, UH, SOURCE FOR THEM, FOR THE MECHANICS, THE PRIOR MEALS AND THAT, THAT SOURCE OF MECHANICS STOPPED.
AND SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR MECHANICS OUT THERE AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO GET THEM FROM DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO MY QUESTION IS FOR LIKE ALIGNMENT AND, AND, UM, FOR COMMUNICATIONS.
AND WHERE'S THAT TYPICAL SOURCE THAT THESE, THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS COME FROM.
AND IS THERE SOMETHING IN THAT PIPELINE THAT HAS BEEN THERE? IS THERE SOME CONSTRAINTS IN THERE THAT HAVE PREVENTED THEM FROM, UM, I WILL SAY, AND, AND GLEN, YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS WITH THE ELECTRIC LINEMAN.
WE, WE DID, UM, PUSH THEIR SALARY UP BECAUSE I THINK THE LAST 4, 5, 6 LINEMEN WE'VE LOST TWO OGS, IS THAT CORRECT? AND, OR THEY'RE MAKING MORE MONEY TO GO OUT OF STATE, UH, AND WORK, UH, AS ALIGNMENT VERSUS WORKING IN OKLAHOMA.
UH, WE USED TO, UH, WHEN WE HAD ALIGNMENTS POSITION OPEN, WE WOULD GET HUNDREDS OF APPLICATIONS.
WE'RE GETTING VERY FEW APPLICATIONS FOR LINEMAN POSITIONS, EVEN WITH US PUSHING THAT SALARY UP.
AND THIS IS, UH, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF OUR TURNOVER RATE FROM 18.
THIS IS, UM, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO COUNSEL IS A 2% COLA EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2022, AND AN ADDITIONAL 1% COLA EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2023, THE PROPOSED BUDGET BUDGET OF 98 MILLION THAT DOES REFLECTS A TWO, ONE INCREASE OR A 3% COLA EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2022, WHICH THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE OF $225,000.
AND FOR EVERY 1% INCREASE COST WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 550,000, UM, FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE.
WE ARE STILL IN A FOUR-YEAR AGREEMENT, WHICH IT COMMENCED ON JULY 1ST, 2019 AND WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL JUNE 30TH, 2023 FOR FISCAL YEAR 23.
IT WILL BE A 1% INCREASE EFFECTIVE JULY ONE AND A 1% INCREASE EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE, THE EMPLOYEE CLINIC, THIS IS THE BEST BENEFIT.
ONE OF THE BEST BENEFITS THAT WE OFFER OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, UH, ALL SERVICES AT THE CLINIC ARE FREE EXAMS, LAB DRAWS, GENERIC PRESCRIPTIONS, THE TOTAL FIXED COST FOR FISCAL YEAR 22, IS IT 675,000.
UM, AND THE FIXED COSTS FOR 23 WOULD BE 692,000 ON THAT FIXED COST.
WE DO ALLOCATE THAT BACK OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT PER BUDGETED POSITION.
SO IT'D BE $816 AND 69 CENTS PER POSITION.
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VISIT IS 3,243, WHICH WAS UP FROM THE 20 IT'S 2,974.PRESCRIPTIONS LABS WERE 2,129, PH REVIEWS, 467.
THOSE VIRTUAL VISITS IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT 3,243 CLINIC VISIT.
SO IT'S A, WE HAD 237 RAPID COVID TESTS, WHICH I HOPE TO NEVER SEE THAT AGAIN.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS? SO THIS IS KIND OF EVERYBODY, THERE WAS NO SOUND.
I THINK EVERYBODY TOOK THE COLLECTIVE.
SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PART OF THE CONUNDRUM OF A GROWING CITY.
WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE EXPECT IN THE CITY WHO TOLD US CITIZENS AND CITIES EXPECT WE HAVE A PLAN TO GROW OUR PERSONNEL TO COVER THOSE, THAT EXPECTATION.
THE CHALLENGE WE'RE HAVING IS GETTING MORE BODIES TO FILL THE POSITION.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT UNUSUAL IN THAT SITUATION.
UH, I THINK OKLAHOMA CITY HAS PLANNED 128 NEW POSITIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR, I KNOW THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES THEMSELVES FOR, FOR VACANCIES IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD, EVEN WITH A PREVIOUS EMPLOYER AND I COULD CREATE A POSITION, BUT I COULDN'T FIND PEOPLE TO FILL THE POSITION.
SO WE'RE FORTUNATE IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY SECTOR.
I MEAN, THE CHIEF T'S CAN SAY WE HAVE MANY, MANY APPLICANTS FOR, IT'S KIND OF A SMALL CADRE OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO WORK FOR US ARE GOING TO WORK FOR THE CITY.
THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW AREAS YOU CAN WORK ON, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR POSITIONS, THERE'S AN ATTRACTIVE MARKET OUT THERE THAT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.
SO WE'VE GOT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT, IS IT A SALARY? LOOK AT IT.
YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY, MAYBE IT'S NONE OF OUR ENTERPRISE ZONE FUNDS LIKE ELECTRIC AND THOSE OTHER FUNDS, WE MAY BE ABLE TO LOOK AT MARKET STUDY TO SEE WHAT INDUSTRY IS SAYING, AND THAT CAN BE FUNDED BY RATES AND FEES INTO THAT.
VERSUS SOME, OUR POSITIONS ARE GENERAL GOVERNMENT POSITIONS THAT THERE'S NO SET FUNDING SOURCE, AND WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE CAUTIOUS ABOUT INCREASING REVENUE.
I MEAN, INCREASE IN PERSONNEL COSTS WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE THOSE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO COME FROM.
SO WE HAVE TO KEEP TACKLING IT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO RESOLVE ITSELF IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR.
UM, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEVELOP CLOSER TIES TO OUR EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, SEEKING TO BUILD A PIPELINE, TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, TO CONSIDER MUNICIPAL EMPLOYMENT.
I THINK IT'S KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD THOUGH.
FIRE AND POLICE ARE SPECIFIC CAREER OBJECTIVES.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULT TIME WITH IS FILLING LABOR JOBS WOULD CALL HER.
AND SO MANY PEOPLE NOWADAYS ARE INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE BENEFITS AND LOOKING AT THE GROWTH AND THE GROWTH IN YOUR DEPARTMENT TO ADVANCE YOUR CAREER THAT WAY THINK, OH, THAT'S TOO HARD.
SO, UM, THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY I THINK THAT'S A CHALLENGE AT COUNTRYWIDE AND I KNOW THAT POLICE, UM, THEY WERE CHALLENGED THIS YEAR.
YOU WERE CHALLENGED THIS YEAR, WHAT YOU GOT A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING APPLICATIONS.
AND RIGHT NOW YOU'RE DOWN TO 50, UH, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, LOOKING FOR 12.
WELL, AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SOME PEOPLE FROM SURROUNDING METRO AREAS ABOUT THE FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TRULY, UM, EDMUND IS VERY ATTRACTIVE TO THEM.
I THINK THE HARDEST THING IS SOMETHING ABOUT, IF YOU'RE AT THIS POSITION, IF YOU COME HERE, YOU GOT TO START BACK OVER OR SOMETHING, BUT THEY SAID EDMUND IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO BE.
IT'S JUST HARD TO FIND THE LABORERS.
AND WE MAY HAVE TO BE VERY CREATIVE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS AND HOW TO RETAIN OUR INCOMING RETENTION IS IMPORTANT.
AND IF THEY'RE RETAINED, THEY'LL MOVE UP THE CAREER LADDER.
UM, IF THEY CAN JUST SEE THAT AND BENEFITS ARE HUGE, THEY'RE HUGE.
SO I GUESS HIS PLANNING, ZONING ENGINEERING PART OF ADMINISTRATION.
SO WE'VE GOT 14 VACANCIES THERE.
I MEAN, I KNOW ENGINEERS WERE HARD TO COME BY, RIGHT, STEVE AND THEY STILL ARE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE WHAT LOSING, HAVE YOU REPLACED ANY OF THEM YET? ANY NEW ONES WE CURRENTLY, I THINK I WAS GOING, I SUPPOSED TO COME UP HERE.
I HAVE A PROJECT COORDINATOR POSITION OPEN, WHICH WE THINK WE'VE FOUND.
THAT'S MOVING HERE FROM CALIFORNIA
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IN THE NEW BUDGET YEAR.I'LL HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT COORDINATOR POSITION OPEN, I'LL HAVE ANOTHER ENGINEER POSITION OPEN.
AND ONCE I LOSE ONE OF MY ENGINEERS IN MY TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER, I'LL HAVE A, ANOTHER ENGINEER POSITION OPEN UP.
IT SEEMS LIKE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT BADGES, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS FOREVER AGO.
WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO OU OSU.
UM, I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS EVERY ENGINEERING FIRM OUT THERE IS LOOKING FOR ENGINEERS.
UM, I TRIED HIRING AN ENGINEER TO DO A DESIGN PROJECT FOR ME, AND HE SAID, I'M TOO BUSY.
I'VE NEVER SEEN AN ENGINEER TURNED DOWN WORK.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THE GRADUATES AND EXPLAIN TO THEM OUR BENEFITS AND HOPE.
THE DAYS OFF YOU GET HERE IN THE NORMAL HOURS YOU WORK.
UH, MY SON IS AN ENGINEER IN DALLAS AND HE WORKED 107 HOURS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
SO I TRY AND GET MY APPLICANTS THAT COME HERE TO SAID, YOU'LL WORK 107 HOURS FOR THE SAME PAYER.
DO YOU WANT TO COME HERE AND WORK 40 ISH? SO TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO THEM, THEY WENT, YEAH, I'M PART ACCOUNTANTS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING ALL WE CAN.
AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THERE'S A BUNCH OF GRADUATES OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN COMING HERE.
THE CHALLENGE IS THE RIPPLE EFFECT.
SO IF WE'RE DOWN ENGINEERING, UM, THAT RELATES TO HOW MANY PROJECTS WE CAN THROUGH THE CITY.
IF WE, WHO AT THAT GROUP OF STAFF THAT MAY MEAN PROJECTS ARE, ARE, HAVE A LONGER LEAD TIME BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO PROCESS THE PROJECTS.
UH, AND THEN IF YOU COMPOUND THAT WITH EXTERNAL DEVELOPMENT AND WE'VE ONLY GOT SO MUCH CAPACITY, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT CONTRACTING OUT FOR SERVICES.
BUT THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS JUST LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE TOO BUSY OR HERE'S THE PRICE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO PAY THAT PREMIUM PRICE.
SO IT'S KIND OF A SPIRALING EFFECT, UM, OF COSTS.
SO DID I SEE IN YOUR PRESENTATION THOUGH, KIND OF AN OPTION OR A CHOICE WE DO THE 2% AND THEN 1%, OR DO THE 3% YES.
INCREASE, UM, WITH UP TO 25 AND RETAINING, UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE SOLVE WITH OUR JOB OPENINGS, BUT WE MET WITH INTEGRIS.
I'VE TALKED TO MERCY AND OTHER LARGE EMPLOYERS IN, IN EDMOND AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE BEING REALLY CREATIVE AND QUICKLY IN WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING.
AND, AND, UH, WE CAN'T IGNORE PASSING IN EDMOND AND THE COST OF HOUSING, UH, SUBURB, I'D SAY SUBURBS AROUND US, BUT WHAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT RURAL TO THE OKLAHOMA CITY? METRO THEY'RE GROWING TOO.
AND PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FROM TRANSPLANTING, FROM THE COASTS AND, AND, UM, BUSINESSES ARE OPENING UP AND GUTHRIE AND THEY'VE SOME ENERGY THERE AND ENERGY AND OTHER IN AND MUSTANG AND YUKON AND THERE'S ENERGY AND OTHER PLACES AND JOBS THAT ARE OPENING THERE.
AND THE HOUSING IS JUST MORE AFFORDABLE.
UM, AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN'T GO BUY A HOUSE FOR SOMEONE OR, OR RENT RENTED, BUT WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION OF, UH, I, I TRULY FEEL WHEN AT THE POINT THAT OUR LARGEST EMPLOYERS HAVE BEEN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND CITY OF ADMIN INTEGRIS MERCY WILL ORGANIZE TOGETHER AND PUT OUT A COMMUNITY MESSAGE THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE IN, IN TOWN.
AND HERE ARE SOME, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT CAN, THEY CAN ADD, UH, INFORMATION TO THAT MESSAGE THAT SAYS, HERE ARE SOME, HERE ARE SOME REAL SOLUTIONS FOR THAT MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND, AND WE NEED TO TRY TO GET, GET OUR COMMUNITY ON BOARD TO BEING OPEN TO THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S A WORKFORCE ISSUE.
UM, AND, UH, AND IT HURTS BUSINESS.
IT HURTS BUSINESS AND IT HURTS THE FUTURE OF EDMOND.
SO I'M, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES, UH, IN THAT, BUT HOUSING RIGHT NOW IS JUST SO, SO OBVIOUS TO ME.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR READY TO MOVE FORWARD? THIS IS WHERE DISCUSSION WILL COME.
SO WE'VE KIND OF THROWN OUT SOME THINGS WHERE THINKING, AND YOU HAVE A COMMENT, MR. RIGBY ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO WE JUST KIND OF PUT TOGETHER SOME BRAINSTORMING THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING OF THINGS THAT ARE IN OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE NOT WORKED IN INFLATION.
A LOT OF THE RISING COSTS, SOME OF IT IS, AND I CAN ACTUALLY HAVE BOBBY.
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HAS LOOKED A LITTLE BIT AT THE FUEL, BUT THINGS ARE JUST CRAZY.YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO THINK.
AND, UM, SO THESE ARE JUST KIND OF ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE LAST FEW WEEKS, THINGS THAT YOU GUYS CAN THINK ABOUT, AND MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE A PRIORITY OR WHATEVER, BUT, UM, INFLATION IS IT'S, IT'S OVER 8% NOW.
AND THE LAST I SAW I HAD, I HAD READ THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY, THEY ECONOMISTS ARE NOT REALLY EXPECTING A TRUE RECESSION UNTIL LIKE 20, 24.
SO, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS, BUT WE CAN SEE INFLATION ALREADY HAPPENING.
UH, RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE CRAZY.
AND THEY COULD GO UP FUEL COSTS, SAME THING.
AND I DON'T KNOW, BOBBY, DIDN'T YOU SAY, LIKE YOU'VE SEEN SOME EVEN INCREASE LIKE A HUNDRED PER CENT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
SO LAST YEAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND JULY 21, OUR DIESEL COST WAS 2 27.
A GALLON TODAY IS 4 61 AND WE BURN ABOUT 165,000 GALLONS A YEAR.
THAT'S JUST DIESEL UNLEADED WAS ABOUT A 38% INCREASE ACROSS THAT TANK.
SAME TIME, SAME TIME SPAN, BUT IT'S AT 360 9, OUR COST RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY'RE EXPECTING 4 25, OUR COSTS IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE LOADS.
SO DIESEL, THEY SAID PREPARE FOR SEVEN A GALLON.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THE, THE, THERE IS, I DON'T WANNA SAY SILVER LINE, BUT THE BENEFIT BOBBY HAS, OR THE CITY HAS, IS WE HAVE RESERVES THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OR WRONG, WE CAN TAP INTO, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, MANY OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY THAT IT'D HAVE TO BE OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A RATE INCREASE TO COVER THIS.
OR, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF TWO, TWO TIMES A WEEK OF SERVICE, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ONE TIME, A WEEK OF SERVICE.
SO WE GO BACK TO THE RESERVES.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE SOME RESERVES.
WE HAVE, WE JUST MAY BE DIPPING MORE AND MORE INTO THOSE FOUR AREAS THAT WE MAYBE IN THE PAST HAD NOT HAD TO DO.
SO JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING FOR RISING COSTS.
SO, I MEAN, BOTTOM LINE IS JUST REALLY HARD TO, TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO COST US.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS, IS KIND OF REVIEW THE BUDGET AND MIDTERM, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN WAITING TO AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF IT, BUT ACTUALLY HOW QUICKLY THINGS ARE GOING UP.
IT'S JUST CRAZY EVERYWHERE ELSE.
CAN'T GO ON AN ANNUAL BASIS ANYMORE.
I KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS, BUT I'VE GOT ANOTHER SLIDE FROM THE, UH, OKLAHOMA TREASURER'S OFFICE AND KIND OF WHAT THEIR OUTLOOK IS.
BUT, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE LIKE LISA HAS TALKED ABOUT, IT'S JUST, WE JUST CAN'T COMPETE WELL, IT'S EVERYWHERE THOUGH, YOU KNOW? AND SO EVEN THOUGH OUR BENEFITS ARE GOOD AND YOU DON'T SEE PENSIONS VERY OFTEN ANYMORE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT A PENSION IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRULY THE YOUNGER THE PERSON GETS, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE NEVER SEEN THAT AND THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT OF IT.
SO SOMETIMES THAT HELPS YOU IN, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.
UM, BUT YEAH, RECESSION, WE STILL THINK IS COMING, UM, SLOWING OF THE ECONOMY.
AND, UM, JUST, I THINK SCOTT, YOU KIND OF MENTIONED THIS LAST ONE FINANCIAL PLATFORM OF THE CITY SALES USE TAX PLUS RESERVES AND TRANSFERS.
SO WE WERE KIND OF ADDRESSING LIKE, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, IS THAT WHAT WE WERE GETTING AT THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY, BUT LOOKING AT OUR REVENUE AND LOOKING AT MORE OF A STRUCTURED BUDGET, WHICH IS, UM, LOOK AT YOUR SOURCES COMING IN AND THEN TRY TO STAY WITHIN THAT VERSUS ALWAYS RELYING ON RESERVES.
YEAH, IT IS THIS IN THE COMING YEARS.
CAN WE COME IN AT LATE? IT TOUGH TO MAKE CHANGES AT THE 11TH HOUR.
IT'S UNREALISTIC TO THINK TO GO BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT, SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME THINGS.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT, THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO ALL SHARPEN THE PENCILS AND REALLY LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOUR COSTS? WHAT ARE YOUR REVENUES? WHERE DO YOU SEE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERATE SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUES OR SAVINGS? UH, SO A LITTLE MORE IN THE PAST, MAYBE THE PROCESS, HEY, ARE OUR REVENUES ACCELERATING? WE CAN ACCELERATE OURSELVES.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, A LOT OF THE UNKNOWNS IS WE'VE GOT TO DO THE BEST WE CAN INTERNALLY TO MANAGE OUR RESOURCES.
UH, AND THAT MAY MEAN AS I'VE TALKED TO VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS IS WE MAY LOOK AT PROJECT WHERE IN THE PAST, WE MAY BE SIMPLY A FUNDED OUT OF THIS.
WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT MAYBE WE SPREAD THAT COST ACROSS DIFFERENT, UH, UNITS.
ONE IS IF WE CAN PAY PART OF THAT OUT OF THIS.
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AND THEN PART OF THAT, OF SOLID WASTE, LET'S DO THAT.HEY, IF IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN PARSE THAT OUT AND MAYBE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, UM, OR BE CREATIVE ON HOW WE ANTELOPE ACCESS SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT RESERVE OF FUNDS, BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE WE MAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FINDING OUT OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT MAYBE IT HADN'T PASS ROBUST RESERVES, MAY THEY MAY BE USING THOSE RESERVES MORE THAN THAT IN THE PAST.
SO WE JUST GOTTA BE MORE CREATIVE, MORE, UM, DELIBERATE AS WE LOOK AT OUR COSTS, A LOT OF THEM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE SIMPLY CAN'T SAY, OH, IT'S GOING TO BE THIS TOMORROW.
WE MAY HAVE TO SAY, IT'S A FLUID SITUATION.
WE NEED TO BE ULTRA CONSERVATIVE.
UH, AGAIN, WE PROTECT 3% REVENUE GROWTH.
MCCOMB'S AT 1.28, I KNOW IN THEIR, IN THEIR BUDGET PRESENTATION, THEY TALKED ABOUT A RECESSION FOR NEXT YEAR.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY DEPENDENT ON NEW GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME TALENT SHORTAGES IS AS WE GROW, IF WE DON'T HAVE STAFF TO SERVICE THAT GROWTH, THAT'S JUST THE CHALLENGE.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOT TRYING TO BE DEBBIE DOWNER, BUT I'M JUST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MUCH MORE CRITICAL OF OUR COSTS THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND LEAVING MORE VARIABLES WHERE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL THINGS.
WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS THIS YEAR, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING, WHETHER CAPACITY OF STAFF OR THE CAPACITY OF THE INDUSTRY TO DO PROJECTS, WE MAY WANT TO DO THAT PROJECT.
THE INTEREST INDUSTRY SIMPLY IS NOT CAPABLE OF SERVING US.
UH, I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF CITIES GO OUT FOR RFP NEW PROJECTS AND RECEIVE ZEAL ZERO BIDS OR RECEIVE BIDS.
LIKE I CAN GIVE YOU THE PERSONNEL COSTS, BUT I WILL NOT BID YOU TO ACTUAL COST OF THE MATERIALS YOU WILL PAY WHATEVER THE MARKET IS.
SO HOW DO YOU FOR CITY, HOW DO YOU BUDGET THAT? UM, IT'S, IT'S, WE MAY HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON THE LINE WHERE WE MAY HAVE IDEAS TO DO X, Y, Z, BUT THERE MAY BE EXTERNAL CONSTRAINTS THAT JUST MAY MAKE THAT CHALLENGE.
UM, SO, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT, CAUSE I KNOW, AND GLEN'S PROBABLY STILL HERE, RIGHT? GLENN, HE'S ALREADY EXPERIENCED SOME OF THAT IN THAT HE'S, HE'S GETTING A BID, BUT THEY JUST WON'T, THEY JUST WON'T GUARANTEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WHEN YOU ORDER IT NOW, IT'S WHEN IT'S DELIVERS WHATEVER THE PRICE IS THEN.
UM, SO JUST KIND OF TO LET YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE LATEST FROM THE STATE TREASURER'S REPORT AND THEY HAD GROCERY SEATS WENT UP IN OKLAHOMA, BUT BASICALLY IT'S BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S TAX RETURN WAS DUE.
SO EVERYONE HAD TO PAY THEIR, THEIR TAXES OR THEIR ESTIMATES, BUT, UM, SALES, THEY'RE JUST SAYING SALES TAX RECEIPTS ARE UP BY LESS THAN THE RATE OF INFLATION.
UH, GROSS PRODUCTION AND MOTOR VEHICLE RE REVENUES ARE LOWER THAN WE COLLECTED LAST APRIL ANNUAL INFLATION RATE HIT 8.5% IN MARCH, WHICH IS UP.
IT IS A HIGHEST RATE SINCE DECEMBER OF 81 GAS PRICES ARE UP 48% AND THE COST OF FOOD HAS INCREASED AT 10%.
AND I KNOW I'VE NOTICED IT WHEN I'VE GONE TO THE GROCERY STORE, SO IT'S DEFINITELY HAPPENING.
SO THESE ARE JUST, THINGS WERE JUST KIND OF THROWN OUT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FORMAT THIS YEAR AND YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE A LOT OF, UM, FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE WHAT WE DO OR HOW WE NEED TO GUESS AT NOT GUESSED ESTIMATE AT IT.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME, YOU KNOW, THINGS WE CAN THINK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SOME COMMUNITY FUNDING THAT WE CAN REQUEST AND WORK, WORK THAT WAY WITH OUR LEGISLATORS.
UM, THE, THE DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT ACTUALLY DO BRING IN REVENUE RIGHT NOW, BUT NEVER HAVE REALLY BEEN MEANT TO BE BUSINESS TYPE OR COVER THEIR OWN EXPENSES.
MAYBE WE LOOK AT SOME OF THAT, MAYBE WE, WE INCREASE RATES A LITTLE BIT, BUT POSSIBLY NOT TO COVER A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT JUST SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO SEE WHERE ARE WE, HOW MUCH OF A PERCENT OF THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET IS ACTUALLY BEING COVERED BY SALES TAX OR FEES OR WHATEVER.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST NEW THINGS LIKE IMPACT FEES.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE EDMOND 2050 PLAN, BUT I'M CAUTIOUS THAT IT'S NOT NEW REVENUE.
IT SAYS SIMPLY, UM, FEES TO COVER THE COST OF GROWTH.
IT'S RATHER THAT WE CAN GO SPEND IT.
IT'S REALLY TO, TO COVER THE COSTS OF WATER OR WASTEWATER OR WHATEVER THAT IMPACT FEE MAY BE FOR THE CAPITAL COSTS THAT CAN GO FOR ONGOING ON THEM.
SO JUST WHAT YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU BUY THAT NEW HOUSE AND THAT HAD BEEN 2050, THERE MAY BE IMPACT FEES, OFFSET THE COST OF CAPITAL TO SERVICE THOSE SERVICE, YOUR NEW HOUSE OR DEVELOPMENT.
AND I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO UNION.
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WE JUST DON'T HAVE TO BREAK IT INTO PIECES AND JUST SEE, WHAT CAN WE DO HERE, THERE, OR DO WE WANT TO, ARE WE OVER PRICING THINGS, WHATEVER, BUT JUST KIND OF TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES, UM, OTHERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, ON OUR EXPENDITURE SIDE, JUST CHANGING THE PARADIGM OR THE MINDSET OF DO WE START THINKING IN TERMS OF, OKAY, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE TRACKING OUR BUDGETS.SO INSTEAD OF JUST AUTOMATICALLY THINKING, OH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FROM OUR RESERVES.
MAYBE WE LOOK AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER AND JUST REALLY TRY TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S YOUR BUDGET, STAY IN IT.
YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON WE'RE GOING TO JUST HAVE TO WATCH ALL THE TIME TO SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR REVENUE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, I MEAN, JUST EVALUATE NON-ESSENTIAL VERSUS ESSENTIAL CITY SERVICES.
UH, ONE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, TOPICS ON THAT IS JUST THE FACT THAT WE ARE GETTING CRITICAL IN SOME OF OUR PERSONNEL, UM, NEEDS EVALUATE TIMING OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.
MAYBE WE DON'T BUILD THINGS QUITE AS QUICKLY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ON THE DEBT SERVICE.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS INTEREST RATES ARE GOING UP.
SO IT'S JUST A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD THERE.
UM, AND THINGS, SAME THING, DELAY EXPENDITURES.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DELAY? UM, AND THEN I GUESS REALLY FOR ME AS I'M GOING THROUGH ALL THIS BUDGET PROCESS AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG BOOK, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.
UM, MAYBE REVISIT SOME OF OUR, JUST OUR PRIORITIES, LIKE WHAT IS, WHAT IS A PRIORITY TO YOU? WE HAD OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS, IT SET CERTAIN CAPITAL PROJECTS OUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ADDRESSED LIKE, OKAY, DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT STAFFING LEVELS FIRST? AND I KNOW THESE ALL DON'T COME FROM THE SAME FUNDING SOURCE, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE, UM, DO WE WANT A CERTAIN PERCENT EVERY YEAR THAT WE JUST AUTOMATICALLY COMMIT TO STREETS OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ANYWAY, JUST MAYBE LOOKING AT OUR PRIORITIES AND WHAT WE WANT TO, UH, REALLY EMPHASIZE REALLY FIRST AND THEN IT ALWAYS COMES UP, BUT THE GENERAL FUND UNRESTRICTED BALANCE RIGHT NOW, I'M SITTING AT 3.14% AND THAT'S AFTER I HAVE A TRANSFER FROM ELECTRIC AND A TRANSFER FROM SOLID WASTE THIS YEAR.
AND, UM, WE'LL GET INTO IT HERE IN A MINUTE, BUT IT'S, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO JUST TALK ABOUT.
LIKE, HOW DO YOU WANT TO, HOW DO YOU WANT TO STRUCTURE THAT KIND OF THING? UM, IF EVEN IF THE FEMA REIMBURSEMENT COMES IN, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO REPAY, UM, ELECTRIC, THE 7.5 MILLION FOR THE FRANCIS TUTTLE BUILDING, WHICH IS NOT IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW.
WE PROBABLY ARE LOOKING AT PAYING IT OUT OVER TIME RATHER THAN IN ONE FELL SWOOP, BUT THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT, UM, THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, DO WE PAY BACK, DO WE NOT PAY BACK? JUST KIND OF SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIES AND HOW DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE KINDS OF THINGS? SO, UM, SO LIKE I SAID, WE, UM, CAN I ASK ON THAT REAL QUICK? SURE.
WHO WOULD PAY BACK? I'M AN ELECTRIC, UM, GENERAL FUND BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING.
AND SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S A GOOD, VERY GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ELECTRIC, ADMIN, ELECTRIC PAID FOR THE BUILDING, BUT EDMUND, ELECTRIC'S NOT GOING TO OCCUPY THE BUILDING BY AND LARGE.
IT'S GOING TO BE MORE WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE OUR FINANCIAL AND OUR HR IS GOING TO BE ADMINISTRATIVE BY AND LARGE.
UM, IT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
LIKE SCOTT, HAVE YOU YOU'VE COMMENTED BEFORE IF THERE'S A PIECE OF IT THAT STAYS WITH APWA LIKE, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE STORING THE AMI METERS IN THERE.
ARE WE GOING TO DO IT FOREVER? UM, I KNOW ELECTRIC HAS PLANNED TO BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING.
SO DO WE NEED TO THINK AS YOU GUYS ARE GOING FORWARD AND LOOKING AT YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, DO YOU WANT TO RETHINK THAT? DOES APWA MEET USE MORE OF THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT JUST THINGS LIKE THAT NOW, I WILL SAY THAT PURCHASE THOUGH WAS A WONDERFUL PURCHASE BECAUSE A BUILDING THAT SIZE WOULD PROBABLY COST US 20 TO $30 MILLION.
AND SO BY GLEN HAVING THAT OR LIKELY HAVING THAT AVAILABLE AT THE TIME WE SAVED PROBABLY $20 MILLION SERIOUSLY ON THAT BUILDING AND DOWNTOWN.
I MEAN, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE ARE GROWING, WE'RE KIND OF JUST ALL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE TO EXPAND OR ANYTHING, AND IT'S NOT THAT WE WOULDN'T STAY WHERE WE ARE, BUT THE BUILDING THAT FINANCE, HR AND, UH, UTILITY SERVICES IN RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE RENTING IT.
AND NOW THIS IS ALWAYS A PERSONAL OPINION.
I'VE ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN AN ANTI RENTER JUST BECAUSE I THINK YOU NEVER GET ANY EQUITY AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NEVER ENDING.
YOU JUST ARE CONSTANTLY PAYING MONEY OUT FOR THAT FACILITY.
BUT ANYWAY, THOSE ARE JUST THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE GENERAL FUND RESTRICTED BALANCE, IT'S JUST, IT'S A RECOMMENDED BALANCE.
AND IF YOU KIND OF THINK OF IT IN TERMS OF LIKE, LIKE, I THINK I'VE GOT MAYBE TWO
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TO 3 MILLION SITTING IN UNRESTRICTED RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW FOR 22, 23.SO IF WE HAVE ANOTHER $9 MILLION HIT, WE HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN OUR OWN RESTRICTED TO COVER THAT.
AND WE COULD, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OTHER FUNDS.
SO THE $9 MILLION HIT FROM LIKE AN ICE STORM.
I THINK WE ACTUALLY PAID, UM, AROUND 11 TO 12 MILLION, BUT THEY REIMBURSED LIKE, YOU KNOW, 70%, RIGHT.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A TIMING ISSUE WE GENERALLY WOULD HAVE HAD THAT REFUND BY NOW.
UM, BUT THEN IT STILL IS LIKE, WELL, WE STILL HAVE THINGS TO FIX.
WE STILL HAVE THINGS TO PAY BACK.
IT'S NOT LIKE, IT'S JUST, OH, HERE WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY NOW.
SO ANYWAY, IT'S JUST KIND OF, IT'S JUST KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, WATCHING WHERE YOU ARE AND KIND OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
AND, UM, I GUESS A BIG QUESTION FOR ME IS WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS WHOLE BUDGET AND WE DO HAVE TRANSFERS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS AND THAT KIND OF THING IS WHERE DO WE RE WHERE DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE? DO WE REALLY FEEL LIKE, UH, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE 10%, OR MAYBE WE SAY, NO, WE ONLY NEED SEVEN.
OR MAYBE WE SAY WE NEED 12, BUT JUST, UM, WE'RE AT THREE THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS.
UH, IF YOU HAVE A HUGE TORNADO OR SOMETHING.
UM, BUT USUALLY ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THOSE WEATHER EVENTS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL CAN GET SOME REIMBURSEMENT.
SO ANYWAY, AND KATHY, IS, WAS THAT A S A CITY POLICY BACK IN THE DAY OR, OR FROM OUR BOND COUNSELOR OR FROM OUR HONOR TO SAY 10%, 10%.
IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, I'M GOING TO LOOK TO SHEILA A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY OUR CRAWFORD AND ASSOCIATES, OUR INTERNAL AUDITOR, AND THEY ARE HIGHLY SPECIALIZED IN GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING.
THEY DO OUR INTERNAL AUDITING, THEIR PR.
THEY PREPARE OUR ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THAT THEN GET AUDITED BY AN OUTSIDE FIRM.
BUT IT'S THE RECOMMENDED LEVEL.
THEY ACTUALLY RECOMMEND 20 TO 30%, WHICH PROBABLY IS TOO HIGH.
BUT TYPICALLY, AND THEN IT'S ALSO STATES IT'S JUST STATE PRACTICE.
IF YOU'D LIKE ANY KIND OF EDUCATION THAT YOU TAKE ON THIS KIND OF THING, CONTINUING EDUCATION, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO SAY 10%.
AND THEN IS IT A DFO, A RECOMMENDED? YEAH.
AND THE GFR IS OUR PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION, THE GOVERNMENT OFFICERS, UM, GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING OFFICE, FINANCIAL OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, IT'S OUR PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION, BUT IT'S THE ONE THAT WE LOOK TO FOR TRAINING.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GIVE ALL TYPES OF, THEY, THEY COVER THE REGULATION, THE GAS, B'S, ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT IS THAT'S FEDERAL, THAT'S FEDERAL REGULATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU JUST START THINKING ABOUT EMERGENCIES AND SHORTFALLS AND JUST REALLY WHAT OUR FUND BALANCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR, IT JUST GETS BACK TO THE BASICS OF REALLY WHERE ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH? UM, I GUESS A LITTLE BIT TOO, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IN TERMS OF, WE DIDN'T GET THE FEMA REIMBURSE REIMBURSEMENT LAST YEAR, WE ENDED UP IN A NEGATIVE POSITION IN IF, IF $10 MILLION CAN SWING WHERE WE ARE THAT MUCH I'D USE SKYACTIV, KEEP THAT IN MIND.
LIKE MAYBE WE WANT TO SET A DOLLAR LIMIT.
IT CAN BE A PERCENT, BUT ALSO LIKE, HEY, WE KNOW IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD TO PAY, YOU KNOW, $12 MILLION ON, I STORMED ME.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT A LOT, BUT MAYBE WE WILL ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP RUNNING IN THERE AND IT CAN BE 12 MILLION, OR IT CAN BE 12 MILLION WITH THE, UH, CPI INDEX.
SO APPLIED TO IT OR A PRIME RATE RATE APPLIED TO IT, BUT SOMETHING SO THAT WE JUST KNOW, HEY, THAT'S OUR MINIMUM.
WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT AND THEN WORK AROUND THAT OTHER WAYS.
DO WE DO ANY TYPE OF RISK ANALYSIS? SO THAT WILL SHOW THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH IN RESERVE OR WE HAVE SO MUCH IN, OR SAY A MAJOR IMPACT HAPPENS, SAY, UH, WE HAD THE ICE STORM BEFORE SAY WE HAVE ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT WEATHER EVENT.
SAY WE HAVE A, UM, A TRAINED RELMAN OVER HERE OVER THE ROAD HERE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THOSE IMPACTS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE WOULD NEED TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND I'M GOING TO SWITCH TO GLENN AND CHRIS, I KNOW YOU GUYS LOOK AT THAT QUITE A BIT.
YOU KIND OF KNOW COSTS, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY PUT, DO YOU PUT THAT IN YOUR BUDGET? YOU HAVE EMERGENCIES AS PART OF OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE AS PART OF OUR, TO SERVE THIS TYPE OF SITUATION.
THIS LAST ONE, LIKE THE, IT WAS A CLEANUP, SO IT HIT KEITH, KEITH STEWART.
IT DIDN'T REALLY HIT ELECTRIC OR WATER.
BUT MAJORITY OF IT, SO WE ENDED
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UP, SO WE ENDED UP FUNDING IT REALLY NOT THROUGH ELECTRIC AND WATER.IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE HAD TO GO OUT AND JUST PICK UP LIMBS.
SO IT REALLY WASN'T AN ELECTRIC FUNCTION OR A WATER FUNCTION.
UM, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GENERATE OR CREATE THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT WE NEED TO HELP US DETERMINE HOW MUCH MONEY NEEDS TO BE IN A, UH, AN ACCOUNT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND, AND I AM NOT AWARE OF, I MEAN, TO ME, IT WOULD BE MAYBE MORE OF A CONSULTANT TYPE ISSUE WHERE YOU, THEY HAVE MODELS OR WE BUY, YOU KNOW, GET SOFTWARE AND ACTUALLY FOCUS ON THAT.
UM, IT WOULD BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GUYS THAT TOUCH IT EVERY DAY.
AND MAYBE EVEN COMING UP WITH LIKE, WHAT ARE OUR MINIMUM STANDARDS? I'M NOT AWARE THEY MET HIM, CHRIS, CHRIS, JUST BECAUSE OF HER WATER WORKED WHEN OTHERS WEREN'T.
UM, SO 90 DAYS OF REVENUE IS WHAT WE TARGET FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, AND UTILITIES IN GENERAL TO, UH, BUDGET FOR FLOODS THAT WASH SEWER LINES INTO CREEKS.
AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY GET FEMA REIMBURSEMENT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T COUNT ON THAT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
SO, UM, BUT HAVING FUNDS AVAILABLE IN 90 DAYS IS OUR BARE MINIMUM, REALLY 120 TO HER 90 DAYS OF REVENUE.
SO YEAH, WE COULD LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S A CONSULTANT OR ONE OF OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS WE ALREADY HAVE ON BOARD TO SAY, WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE, I KNOW THAT'S A LEGAL TERM THAT CAN BE DEFINED IN COURT REASONABLE, BUT, UM, WHAT'S THE REASONABLE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT THE CITIES HAVE ON HOLD.
IT COULD BE, HEY, DO YOU HAVE $90, 90, $90, 90 DAYS OF CASH ON HAND TO RUN CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS.
IN THE INSTANCE OF SOME EVENT, THERE ARE STANDARDS I KNOW THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT SAID, HEY, YOU SHOULD HAVE SO MUCH CASH ON HAND IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A RUN ON FUNDS OR AN EVENT HAPPENS.
UH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HERE ARE RECOMMENDED LEVELS.
AND THEN IT CAN BE A DISCUSSION FOR COUNSELORS.
SAY, DO YOU WANT TO SET UP A COUNCIL, A STANDARD TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO ALWAYS BE LOOKING FOR THIS LEVEL.
UH, BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE IT SOMA SAY, HERE'S WHY YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
IT COULD BE, HEY, THESE IMPACT YOUR BOND RATINGS.
DO YOU HAVE CASH ON HAND? DO YOU HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REVENUE RESERVES? DO YOU HAVE A DIVERSIFIED PORTFOLIO REVENUES? UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING BACK FROM MY PREVIOUS EMPLOYER THAT WAS SALES TAX BASE, WE ALWAYS GOT DINGED BECAUSE SALES TAX IS CYCLICAL AND YOU'RE PAYING FOR BONDS.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A STABLE SET OF REVENUE, THAT GENERALLY RESULTS IN A LOWER BOND RATING, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU'RE A RECOMMENDED LEVELS.
AND THEN COUNCIL CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION SAY, DO WE WANT TO SET HERE'S OUR EXPECTATIONS FOR FUTURE BUDGETS TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF CASH ON HAND AND CERTAIN FUNDS, OR HERE'S OUR FISCAL POLICY THAT AS WE APPROACH FUTURE EXPENDITURES OR FUTURE PROGRAMS. YEAH.
PERSONALLY, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE, THEY SAY SIX MONTHS OF TO SURVIVE SIX MONTHS OF MONEY CASH ON HAND.
BUT I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR A CITY THAT YOU'D WANT TO HAVE ON HAND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER PART OF THE COUNCIL FEELS, BUT IF WE'RE NOT DOING ANY RISK ANALYSIS TO SHOW WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE, IF WE HAVE A, UM, UH, SOME TYPE OF MAJOR IMPACT TO OUR CITY, UH, FORTUNATELY YES, WE DO HAVE RESERVES.
FORTUNATELY, WE ARE MORE IN THE GREEN BIN IN THE RED, ON CERTAIN AREAS, BUT FOR US TO GO FUTURE, SINCE OUR NUMBERS ARE GETTING CLOSER TO EACH OTHER, WHAT'S COMING IN AND WHAT'S GOING OUT, UM, ACTUALLY WE'RE IN A DEFICIT AND IN CERTAIN AREAS, UH, HOW DO WE BUILD FOR THE FUTURE? WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE.
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, FROM INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THAT.
AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO BUILD OFF OF THAT TO GO TO A FUTURE? AND IF WE'RE NOT DOING SOME TYPE OF RISK, DID THAT FOUNDATION
AND I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD TAP INTO THE RESERVES.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE HOW MUCH OF THAT RESERVE DO WE NEED TO HOLD ON TO FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.
AND, AND THAT IS REALLY DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW.
AND SO, UM, BUT THEY DO A GOOD JOB.
THEY KNOW, ESPECIALLY APWA, THEY'RE VERY ON TOP OF THEIR 90 DAY RESERVE OR 120 AND WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND WHEN WE HAVE TO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE RATES AGAIN, WHICH MADE ME WONDER AFTER.
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SO WHY DON'T WE BUY TAKEAWAY IS WE NEED TO COME BACK WITH YOU SOME OPTIONS ON A COURSE FORWARD, NOT SO MUCH OPTIONS ON HOW MUCH IT SHOULD BE OR NOT, BUT HEY, DO WE NEED TO GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, LET US TALK TO A STORE, SOMEWHERE AGENTS TO SAY, HERE'S, HERE'S SOME SOURCES YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT OR EMPLOY TO COME IN AND MAKE SOME ANALYSIS AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON THERE.
UM, AND THESE WERE JUST KIND OF GENERAL OBSERVATIONS.
WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OTHER SLIDES WHERE LIKE STREETS AND ALLEYS, WHATEVER MILLION WOULD WOULD GET YOU AND IN, UM, HR, WHAT EVERY 500,000 TO A MILLION PAYS FOR.
EVERY MILLION DOLLARS THAT STAYS IN GENERAL FUND IS, WOULD INCREASE THE FUND BALANCE BY ABOUT 1%.
SO JUST SAY VERY SIMPLISTICALLY, IF WE'RE AT 3% NOW YOU'D NEED ABOUT $7 MILLION TO REALLY BE AT YOUR 10.
UM, THESE ARE JUST QUESTIONS TOO.
AND SO SCOTT CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO ABOUT THESE, BUT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT THINGS LIKE WHAT IS OUR, UH, POLICY OR GUIDANCE OR HOW DID WE DECIDE WHEN WE PAY BACK? AND WHEN WE DON'T, LIKE, IF WE, IF WE GET FUNDS FROM APWA SOMEHOW INTO GENERAL FUND, DO WE HAVE ANY GUIDANCE? SO WHAT DID ANYBODY EVER REALLY THINK ABOUT? LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S OUR LIMIT.
WHEN DO WE PAY IT BACK? CAUSE WE'RE PAYING BACK FRANCES TOTAL.
THAT MAKES A GOOD INSTEAD OF BUILDING.
UM, IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT'S, WHO'S GONNA OCCUPY IT, YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW, BUT SO LET ME JUMP INTO THAT, THAT I THINK I ASKED THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, SO UPW A FUNDS SENTOS AND EDA, AND THEY DON'T PAY THOSE BACK.
UM, SOMEHOW DECISION WAS MADE IN THE PAST THAT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GO BUY THIS BUILDING AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FUNDS FROM THE PWA TO GO PURCHASE THE BUILDING BACK, TO GO PURCHASE THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION I UNDERSTAND ABOUT PAYING IT BACK.
IS THAT STATUTORY REQUIRED TO PAY IT BACK? OR IS IT SIMPLY A COUNCIL DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING, GOING TO MAKE A PAY IT BACK? ARE THERE OPTIONS? LIKE WE CAN MAKE A DECISION UNLESS LEGAL SAYS YOU HAVE TO PAY IT BACK, BUT IF THERE'S NOT A LEGAL OBLIGATION, THEN THE QUESTION COUNCIL IS, DO WE PAY IT BACK? DO WE PAY IT A ONE-TIME PAYBACK? OR DO WE PAY IT OVER SEVEN YEARS OR DO WE DECIDE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY IT BACK.
THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING INTERNALLY TO SAY, IF I DON'T PAY 7 MILLION BACK, OKAY.
I JUST WENT FROM THIS PERCENTAGE TO A 10% FUND BALANCE.
AND PARTLY ME, YOU KNOW, THINKING, COMING IN A THIRD-PARTY I'M LIKE, WELL, IF WE'RE NOT PAYING IT BACK ON THESE AREAS, WHY THEN MY CONCISION PAYBACK OVER HERE, THIS IS TRULY A TRANSFER.
AND IT SERVES AS A PUBLIC BENEFIT OF PUBLIC BENEFIT, A SERVICE LET'S TAKE THAT COST OFF THE BOOKS AND SAY, WE'RE, WE'RE APPLYING IT TO THIS AS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
AND EVEN IN FINANCE, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, HOW MUCH DO WE PAY BACK? SO LET'S SAY WE DID 7 MILLION.
DID WE, DO WE PAY BACK IF THAT MONEY THAT THEY HAD HAD A POTENTIAL TO GROW AND THEIR ACCOUNT, DO WE JUST PAY BACK THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT WHEN WE, UH, BORROWED OR DO WE PAY A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST TO ALWAYS SWEDEN? I'M STILL CONFUSED.
EDMOND, ELECTRICS, NOT USING THAT BUILDING AT ALL.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE THERE'S STORAGE RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF GONE AROUND IN THAT'S MOVING ANY EMPLOYEES INTO THE BUILDING.
WE CAN STILL, I REMEMBER HEARING Y'ALL HAD EMPLOYEES AND CLOSETS.
THAT'S WHY WE NEEDED THE BUILDING.
SO THE INITIAL DISCUSSION WAS WE WERE LOOKING AT MOVING ELECTRIC ADMIN OVER THERE AS WE STARTED LOOKING AT SPACE FOR HR.
UM, AND I'VE ALWAYS TOLD THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'RE MOVING OUT THERE, DON'T JUST PLAN FOR YOUR FUTURE PERSON OR YOUR CURRENT PERSONNEL PLAN FOR YOUR FUTURE NEEDS.
AND LOOK AT THAT AVAILABLE SPACE, ACCORDING TO YOUR FUTURE NEEDS.
SO AS, AS THEY STARTED LOOKING AT THE SPACE, THEY NEED TO ACCOMMODATE EXISTING STAFF BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE CITY'S GROWING STAFF-WISE, THEY'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL SPACES.
SO THE SPACE THAT WAS AVAILABLE I THOUGHT WAS AVAILABLE INITIALLY HAS GROWN DOWN.
I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT BUYING THE BUILDING, I DID TALK ABOUT ELECTRIC ADMIN MOVING OVER THERE.
SPACE-WISE IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WORK OUT VERY WELL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THAT BUILDING.
WHERE WILL THE ELECTRIC ADMIN, WELL, I REALLY DON'T WANT IT THIS KIND OF OFF THE SUBJECT FOR THE BUDGET HERE, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MOVING ELECTRIC ADMIN OVER THERE, WE'VE KNOWN THE CROSS TIMBERS.
WE HAVE SPACE LIMITATIONS OUT OF OUR COSTUMERS COMPLEX FOR APWA FOR OPERATION STAFF, CAUSE OPERATION STAFF IS GOING TO GROW UP QUICKER THAN YOUR ADMIN STAFF.
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AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE LOOKED AT POTENTIALLY MOVING ELECTRIC ADMIN STAFF TO FRANCIS TUTTLE WAS TO REPURPOSE OUR AREA FOR SOME OF OUR FIELD CREWS TO MOVE UP INTO THE ADMIN PART OF THAT BUILDING.CAUSE WE'VE GOT ADMIN ON ONE LEVEL OPERATIONS AT ANOTHER LEVEL, AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE FOR OUR OPERATION STAFF.
UM, THAT'S WHERE KATHY MENTIONED BRIEFLY ABOUT POTENTIAL BUILDING, ANOTHER BUILDING THAT WOULD HOUSE ALL OF APWA ADMIN STAFF.
SO WE COULD REPURPOSE THE ENTIRE UPPER AREA FOR OPERATIONS.
THAT'S CURRENTLY ADMIN AND THEN UTILIZE EXISTING OPERATIONS AREA.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE AS FAR AS FACE OUT THERE.
YEAH, I GUESS I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NEW BUILDING WE'RE BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE EVERYONE FROM HERE, PLUS BRINGING IN FINANCE AND HR AND GO IN THAT BUILDING THERE.
AND THAT FRANCIS HUDDLE OUT THERE WAS FOR ELECTRIC, I GUESS.
SO IF WE DID A NEW BUILDING FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S GOING TO BE NOW, WOULD THAT USUALLY BE CIP BUILDING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW WHERE THE FRANCIS TUTTLE BUILDING, FOR INSTANCE.
SO YEAH, MAYBE JUST TO, JUST SO WE CAN ASK MORE QUESTIONS AND A LITTLE MORE CLARITY.
SO WHEN IT WAS PROPOSED TO, BY THE FRANCIS TUTTLE BUILDING, THAT BUILDING WAS GOING TO BE A TEMPORARY USE FOR EDMOND ELECTRIC.
AND I WANT TO CAUTION DOWNSTAIRS.
THERE'S STILL ABOUT A FOURTH OF THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE AN IDENTITY THAT IS UNPLANNED AT THIS POINT.
SO IN THE DOWNSTAIRS, A 33,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, ABOUT A FOURTH OF THE BUILDING STILL DOESN'T HAVE AN IDENTIFIED USE.
SO WHO WOULD BE MOVING IN TO THE CITY HALL BUILDING, WHICH I'LL COVER IN, IN THE CIP PORTION OF THE PROJECT WOULD BE EVERYONE THAT'S CURRENTLY DOWN DOWNTOWN.
SO THAT WOULD BE EVERYONE OF THE FUNCTIONS IN CITY FIRST THAT WOULD BE COURT THAT'S IN THIS BUILDING AS WELL AS COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE DCC AND THE PLANNING AND PUBLIC WORKS BILL.
SO THE, UH, THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY, I SAID EVERYONE WAS DOWNTOWN.
EVERYONE THAT'S IN THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE FINANCE, UTILITY CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AND HR IS MOVING TO THE FORMER FRANCIS TUTTLE BUILDING.
AND THE REASON WHY WE HAD CAME TO YOU ALL TO SAY THAT WE NEED AN, WE NEED MORE SPACE IN ADDITION TO THE CITY HALL IS THAT SPACE IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH WITHOUT MORE PROPERTY ACQUISITION FOR THOSE FUNCTIONS, FINANCE, UCS, AND HR TO GO IN THIS BUILDING.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT WOULD BE REFERRED TO DO.
UM, WE LOOKED AT PROPERTY ACQUISITION.
THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE AFTER WE TALKED TO THE ASSET OWNERS OR PROPERTY.
AND SO WE WERE LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS.
SO BY PURCHASING THE FRANCIS TUTTLE BUILDING THAT ALLOWED US TO GET UNSTUCK ON THE CITY HALL PROJECT.
SO LOTS OF, LOTS OF MOVING PARTS.
SO IF WE WERE TO BUILD THAT BUILDING FOR WHO'S GOING IN, IT WOULD THAT USUALLY BE CIP? YES.
SO THAT'S, AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HIT ON THAT ON CFP PORTION.
IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE BORROWING MONEY, BUT THAT WILL BE PAID BACK THROUGH THE CIP.
THE QUESTION I HAVE IS I'M LOOKING AT GLEN IS IF IT'S TRULY A BUILDING FOR EDMOND ELECTRIC, THEN AN ELECTRIC AND YOUR RESERVES WOULD FUND THAT BUILDING THAT ACCURATE.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER AND WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY HALL BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? OR WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT FIFTH NOW? WHETHER WE BUILT THAT SPACE FOR WHO'S GOING IN THE FRANCIS TUTTLE BUILDING NOW, FINANCE, ADMIN, NOT ADMIN ELECTRIC, WOULD IT BE CIP WHETHER WE WERE BUILDING IT HERE BY BIGGER BUILDING HERE OR ANOTHER BUILDING OUT OF THE CROSS TIMBERS, WOULD IT BE CIP? SO DUE TO THE NATURE OF HOW QUICKLY THINGS HAPPENED, UM, TRADITIONALLY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CIP, BUT I THINK WHAT, WHAT SCOTT HAS TALKED ABOUT AS WELL IS USING OTHER FUNDS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE OUR NEEDS.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO NEW STATION, NUMBER SIX, TRADITIONALLY, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID FOR AT A CIP WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT RESERVES PAYING FOR NEW STATIONS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET CREATIVE WITH, AND WHY IS BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE IN A LEASE SPACE AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ATTACK THAT WE'RE GOING TO, ARE YOU GETTING TO, IF MONEY NEEDS TO GO TO ADMIN, TO ELECTRIC FROM WINDS, DOES IT COME, DOES IT REALLY NEED TO COME FROM THE GENERAL? DOES IT MEAN W W WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
THAT WAS JUST WHAT WE'D IDENTIFY NOW, BUT AGAIN, NOTHING, NOTHING IS SET IN STONE IN THAT.
SO WHAT WE'D MESSAGED AT THE TIME IS WE BELIEVE THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME REPAYMENT TO EDMUND ELECTRIC.
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, IS A DECISION THAT WE CAN REACH COLLECTIVELY.
BUT WE HAD LOOKED AT GE, WE HAD LOOKED AT SOME FORM OF REPAYMENT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, BUT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT IS, IS CIP A PLACE TO TAKE THAT REPAYMENT, GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS ON THE GENERAL FUND? SO, YEP.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS WITH THIS.
SO I W I THINK SO OFTEN HAPPENED WITH, WITH CITIES AND JUST A QUICK DISCLAIMER IS OUR PRIMARY MISSION
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AND WHY WE EXIST IS PROVIDE SERVICE.RIGHT? AND SO ALL OF OUR FOCUS IS OUT, OUT, OUT, AND FOR TOO LONG, I THINK WE DIDN'T LOOK INTERNAL TO SAY, ARE, DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE WORKSPACES IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THESE TASKS? BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE CITY FIRST BUILDING, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE IN BASEMENTS, WE HAVE PEOPLES IN CLOSETS.
SO THAT'S, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE A COUNCIL CHAMBERS, WHICH WHILE IT'S VERY NICE, IT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF A COMMUNITY OF 94,000 PEOPLE.
IT'S TOO SMALL, WHICH YOU WILL SEE THAT WHENEVER WE HAVE ITEMS WHERE LOTS OF PEOPLE TURN OUT, WE HAVE TO SEND THEM OVER TO AN OVERFLOW SPACE.
SO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, TRANSFER BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS? HOW DO WE, WHEN TO TREAT THAT DETERMINED DEPARTMENTS, THERE MAY BE DEPARTMENTS.
WE COULD LOOK AT THEIR FEE STRUCTURE, INCREASE HER FEES A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S KIND OF LOOKING MORE AT A BUSINESS TYPE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ONES, WHAT DEPARTMENTS NEED TO COVER THEIR COSTS AND WHAT, WHAT DON'T, UM, LOOK AT THE BUDGET MORE OFTEN, SEE WHERE WE ARE.
THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION THAT SCOTT HAS BROUGHT UP.
UM, WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, HOW TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE REALLY DO NEED TO REALLY SEE WHERE WE ARE.
UM, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GET SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION REQUESTS ALL THE TIME.
AND ALONG WITH THAT, MAYBE START LOOKING WELL, WHERE DOES THAT PUT US IN OUR BUDGET? WHAT DID WE ORIGINALLY THINK? AND WHY ARE WE SO FAR OFF NOW OR WHATEVER.
AND THERE ARE VALID REASONS FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, AND THEN JUST KIND OF TRYING TO REALLY LOOK AT, CAN WE SLOW THE USE OF OUR RESERVES, OR DO WE WANT TO SLOW THE RAVEN, THE USE OF OUR RESERVES? WHAT SHOULD OUR RESERVES BE? SO JUST SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT, AND I GUESS I'LL COVER THIS REALLY QUICKLY.
THIS IS JUST, THIS HAS KIND OF COME UP.
WE'VE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE KIND OF GOT SOME NEWER PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE, ARE LOOKING AT THINGS.
AND, UM, I RECENTLY ENLISTED CHRISTY BATTERSON IS STILL THERE AT CHRISTINA.
SHE IS JUST SO GOOD WITH ALL OF OUR GRANTS AND OUR FUNDING.
SHE KNOWS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO JUSTIFY SPENDING FEDERAL GRANT MONEY, STATE GRANT MONEY.
AND WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS ON THAT.
KIND OF LIKE I WAS SHOWING YOU A LITTLE BIT HOW JUST OUR SOCIAL, UH, NON-PROFITS THAT WE SUPPORT, THEY'RE KIND OF ALL OVER OUR BUDGET, AND THIS IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO I'VE TALKED TO CHRISSY AND JANE ACTUALLY TOO, AND WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, KIND OF FORMED AN IN SHEILA'S AND BEEN INVOLVED AS WELL, JUST TO KIND OF LET'S GET IT ALL TOGETHER, REALLY MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
LIKE WHAT GRANTS WE'RE GETTING.
WE GET AUDITED ON OUR, ALL OUR, ALL OF OUR GRANTS, BUT A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS WILL GO OUT, WHICH IS FINE, YOU KNOW, AND SEEK GRANTS THEMSELVES.
WE JUST NEED TO GET, GET IT ALL TOGETHER.
SO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE AND THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEKING THE GRANTS THAT WE CAN GET AND SPENDING INAPPROPRIATELY.
SO WE, WE W WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT WE'LL COME BACK.
THIS IS NOTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TODAY, BUT, UM, REALLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, SO WHEN WE GO OUT AND MAKE A SOCIAL IMPACT IN ADMIN, IT'S REALLY A GRANT FROM US, JUST LIKE THE FEDERAL GRANT IS GRANTING, YOU KNOW, TO US.
AND SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT.
WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR FINANCIALS CURRENT, ALL THAT, AND WE HAVE TO SUBMIT ALL THAT STUFF.
AND IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEY, THEY WILL COME BACK AND MAKE US PAY THAT BACK.
SO WE WERE THINKING A LITTLE LONG IN, YOU KNOW, CHRISTIE DOES THAT A LOT WITH CDBG ALREADY.
SHE HAS TO DO ALL OF THAT KIND OF THING.
SHE FUNDS A LOT OF, UM, LOCAL THINGS THROUGH CDBG, BUT YET IT'S A FEDERAL GRANT.
SO SHE'S, SHE KNOWS ALL THAT PROCESS.
SO WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE WE COULD LET'S REEL IT ALL IN TOGETHER AND JUST GET CONSISTENT.
SO IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UH, A NONPROFIT ASK ABOUT ARPA-E FUNDS, FOR INSTANCE, UM, WHENEVER WE, IF WE WERE TO GIVE FUNDS FROM A FEDERAL GRANT DOWN, IT BECOMES A SUB-RECIPIENT AND THEN WE BECOME RESPONSIBLE FOR JUSTIFYING JUST LIKE WE WOULD IF, IF WE HAD TO REPORT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF REPORTING REQUIREMENTS AND YOU JUST ALREADY WERE, WANT TO GET IN THE PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE TO PAY IT BACK.
THAT JUST, THAT WOULDN'T BE GOOD.
SO, UM, SO ANYWAY, WE WERE KIND OF TRYING TO LOOK AT OVERALL, WHAT ARE WE DOING RIGHT NOW AND WHERE DO WE STAND? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I CAME UP WITH.
WE WERE SPENDING ABOUT $2 MILLION ON THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NONPROFITS, BASICALLY.
IT ALSO INCLUDES OUR ART AND PUBLIC PLACES, WHICH IS NOT A NONPROFIT, BUT IT IS A SOCIAL IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF A QUALITY OF LIFE KIND OF THING, AND NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
WE'VE GOT AN ORDINANCE ON THAT.
IT'S JUST, JUST KIND OF TO GET IT ALL TOGETHER AND REALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, UM, THIS TYPICALLY CATHY LYNCH WILL COME IN AND GIVE THIS PRESENTATION.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S RECEIVED A LETTER ON WHY THEY FUNDED WHAT THEY DID, BUT JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
SO TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO ON THESE TYPES OF THINGS, AS WE'VE
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SAID, WELL, A CERTAIN PERCENT OF OUR SALES TAX COLLECTIONS FROM THE YEAR BEFORE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE TO NONPROFITS, AND THAT'S REALLY HOW WE'VE COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.AND THEN IT GOES TO THE, THE COMMUNITY REVIEW GROUP, AND THEN THEY EVALUATE ALL THE APPLICATIONS THAT THEY GET, AND THEN THEY RECOMMEND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GIVE.
SO IT'S, IT'S 1.2 MILLION THIS YEAR, IT'S SPLIT.
WE SPLIT IT BETWEEN MORE COMMUNITY ENRICHMENTS, WHICH ARE MORE LIKE LIBERTY FEST IS MORE OF A QUALITY OF LIFE.
WHEREAS HOPE CENTER IS MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, HELPS THE COMMUNITY IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO THAT'S THE TOTAL OF IN, WE CALL IT THE CAR PARK, BUT WHAT THEY'VE RECOMMENDED THIS YEAR, AND THAT FIGURE REALLY COMES IS BASED ON LAST YEAR SALES TAX COLLECTIONS.
AND THAT'S JUST HOW, HOW IT'S DONE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE'VE DONE THIS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, SO REALLY WHAT I JUST WANT TO PUT BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THAT, SO WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED, TRYING TO GET TOGETHER AS A GROUP IN EVERY TYPE OF NONPROFIT FUNDING, WHETHER WE GET IT FROM A GRANT OR WE'RE GIVING IT BACK OUT, UM, EDA GETS INVOLVED IN IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SOMETIMES WE CAN, WHEN WE SAW THE PANDEMIC, WE FUNDED SOME THINGS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO THEN HAVE TO TRACK AS A SUB RECIPIENT, BUT SMALL BUSINESSES.
SO, I MEAN, IT, IT KINDA JUST INTERTWINES ALL THROUGHOUT EVERYTHING.
WE'LL HAVE AN ARPA DISCUSSION HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE IT'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK JOSH, YOU WILL BE PLEASED AT ONE OF THE CHURCHES.
BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, WE REALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO COME BACK TO YOU SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH JUST KIND OF SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAYBE YOUR THOUGHTS AND HOW WE WANT TO FUND THIS KIND OF THING.
AND, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I JUST ACTUALLY ASKED IS THAT WHEN WE GIVE MONEY OUT IN ANY KIND OF GRANT, WHAT ARE WE ASKING BACK? I MEAN, IT'S REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN IF WE WERE HAVING TO REPORT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
DO WE GET A SET OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS? ARE WE, CAN WE SEE LIKE, ARE YOU REALLY SPENDING THAT MONEY? NOT SAYING THEY AREN'T, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.
SO WE JUST KIND OF WANT TO NEED TO GET A CONSISTENT, UM, PROCESS AND POLICY.
IT JUST, IF I CAN ADD ON THAT, IT'S, IT'S, WE'VE LEARNED JUST RECENTLY THROUGH ARPA IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REPORTING THAT WE NEED TO REPORT BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HOW WE SPEND THOSE DOLLARS IN.
AND IF WE GIVE IT TO SUB-RECIPIENTS HOW THEY UTILIZE IT, THEY FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES.
SO I JUST USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE, AS, AS WE LOOK AT NONPROFIT FUNDING, WHICH IS GREAT, AND THE CITY CHOOSE TO DO THAT, THAT'S FANTASTIC.
THE QUESTION THAT MAY OFTEN COME UP IS WHAT DID YOU CON I'LL SAY, CONTRACT FOR THEM TO DO FOR ON BEHALF OF THE CITY THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING LOW-INCOME HOUSING, WHERE THE SUCCESSFUL THAT, WHAT WAS THEIR PERFORMANCE STANDARD? SO WHEN THEY COME BACK NEXT YEAR, CAN WE SAY, AS A CITY, DID THEY MEET OUR EXPECTATIONS THAT JUSTIFY THE FUNDING THAT WE DID? SO WE CAN ALWAYS REPORT BACK TO THE CITIZENS SAID, HEY, WE FUNDED KATHY ENTERPRISES TO PROVIDE X, Y, Z.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WENT, WE DIDN'T DO DIRECTLY, BUT WE CONTRACTED VIA KATHY'S ORGANIZATION.
DID THEY MEET OUR EXPECTATIONS? SO YOU HAVE SOME CRITERIA TO EVALUATE, ARE THEY MEETING OUR EXPECTATIONS OF THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO THEM? SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT KATHY IS LAYING OUT IS WHAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION, WHAT'S THE PERFORMANCE? DID THEY MEET THAT? IS THERE A CONTRACT OF SERVICES BETWEEN US AND THEM TO PRICE FOR CERTAIN SERVICES? CAN I, CAN I SHARE MY 2 CENTS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? AND I SAW IT COMING WHEN I REVIEWED THE PRESENTATION AND WAS GOING OVER MY THOUGHTS.
I THINK ALL OF US UP HERE HAVE, ARE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND PROBABLY ONE OR MORE OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT, THAT RECEIVED THESE FUNDS.
AND SO WE UNDERSTAND, UM, HOW THOSE DOLLARS ARE STRETCHED AND NOT EVEN THE MONEY THAT, THAT COMES FROM THE CITY OF EDMOND, BUT JUST THEIR ENTIRE BUDGET COMPLETELY.
AND SO I'M, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY TO SHARE THIS OTHER THAN I'M SENSITIVE TO, UM, ADDING REQUIREMENTS THAT, THAT ADD MORE COST TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS OR REQUIRE, OR A REQUIREMENT THAT, THAT REQUIRES THEM TO ADD MORE PERSONNEL, UH, WHICH WE HISTORICALLY, THE, THESE FUNDS DON'T REALLY GO TO PERSONNEL.
THEY GO TO SPECIAL PROJECTS OR SPECIAL NEEDS, UH, OUTSIDE OF COMMITTING TO LONG-TERM PERSONNEL ON THESE NIGHTS.
UM, BUT, UM, JUST TO SAY, I'M, I'M SENSITIVE TO ADDING REQUIREMENTS THAT, THAT ADD MORE COST TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS WHEN, UH, JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, IS THERE SOME WAY TO PROVE THAT PROJECT OR PROVE THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS OR THE, UH, OR THE IMPACT
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THAT THEY HAD WITHOUT, WITHOUT ADDING MORE COST TO THEM? AND I THINK ONE THING, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.AND I THINK ONE THING THAT I WOULD KIND OF JUST TO ME WOULD WORK LIKE, JUST LIKE, HEY, HOW ARE YOU SPENDING YOUR FUNDS IS THE NINE 90.
I MEAN, EVERY CHARITY OR NONPROFIT IS SUPPOSED TO BE BUYING A NINE 90.
AND SO THEY SHOULD BE DOING THAT ANYWAY.
SO MAYBE WE JUST REQUIRE, HEY, CAN YOU JUST SEND US A NINE 90 BECAUSE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THESE ARE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
SO, BUT IT JUST MAY BE, I THINK IT'S JUST MORE, IT'S KIND OF GOTTEN ALL SCATTERED AND WE JUST DON'T, WE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE CONSISTENT.
AND, UM, SO LIKE, JUST TO KNOW, LIKE WHAT THE COUNCIL'S YES.
WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO FIND? HOW DO YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS, UH, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE WE PUT IN THE COMMUNITY? UM, I MEAN, I JUST, IF YOU, IF YOU ROCK ALONG AND, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY WATCHING, IT'S JUST LIKE, SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT HAVE A NONPROFIT THAT WE'VE GIVEN MONEY TO, BUT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY PERFORM, THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO DO.
AND LIBERTY FEST IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
AND SO, AND I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T GONE AND LOOKED, THEY MAY WELL HAVE PROVIDED EVERYTHING.
I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, WE HAVE CERTAIN PARDON JUST TO REPORT.
IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, WAIT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE FIREWORK DISPLAY THIS YEAR.
SO NOW DO I STILL HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE SAME? DO YOU STILL REQUIRE THAT SAME AMOUNT? JUST THINGS WE REALLY JUST NEED TO BE WATCHING AND CHECKING.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN REAL CONSISTENT ABOUT THAT.
SO IT'S NOT, UM, YEAH, NOT TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM OUT THERE TO TREAT IT LIKE IT'S A FEDERAL, FEDERAL GRANT, UM, WHERE YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND MAY RECEIVE FEDERAL DOLLARS AND WE'VE GOT, WE HAVE THE, AND MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL WHERE OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO DO THAT AND FUNDS TO, TO PAY FOR THAT.
UM, AND IF ALL I WOULD ASK IS IF WE CAN BE CREATIVE IN ANOTHER WAY, UM, THAT THAT ISN'T TIED TO PAYROLL OR FOR ADDITIONAL COSTS, THEN I WOULD LOVE THAT.
I WOULD SAY SHORT ANSWER IS YES, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO CREATE A PHYLLIS OUT IN TRIPLICATES, WHATEVER THAT IS, IF IT'S THE NINE 90 AND IT'S AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT YOU CAN SEE.
SO IF THE ASSISTANT SAID, HEY, HOW'S MY, WERE YOU FUNDED XYZ AT $90,000? WHAT DID THE CITY RECEIVE? RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SHOW TO THE CITIZEN OR TO THE PUBLIC? HERE'S WHAT WE RECEIVED IN RETURN FOR THE 90,000? YEAH.
HERE'S WHAT THE EVENTS THEY HELD OR HERE'S WHAT THE ACTIVITIES THAT, HEY, THEY SERVE AS SO MANY PEOPLE KNOW.
IT MAY, IT'S SIMPLE, BUT IT'S DIRECT, BUT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL THEN TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC, WHAT WAS JUSTIFICATION FOR PROVIDING THAT FUNDING FOR THEM.
AND THEN FOR ALSO MAYBE IF THEY COME BACK AND WHAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING, OR IF THEY NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING THE FOLLOWING YEAR, AND AGAIN, FOR NOT BEING TOTALLY TIME CONSUMPTION AND SPECIFIC, HOWEVER, WE CAN SAY, WELL, YEAH, YOU DID THIS AND YOU STILL NEED MORE MONEY TO DO THIS.
UH, JUST CREATE CONFIDENCE AND TRUST AND BUILDS THE RELATIONSHIP THERE.
AND THEN TWO OTHER THINGS ON THAT.
I LIKE THE, I LIKE SOME, I, I, FROM SOMEBODY I POINTED TO THAT COMMITTEE HAD GOT SOME FEEDBACK OF MAYBE EVEN A REQUEST FOR SOME MORE PARAMETERS FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DOES THIS, WHAT CAN THIS MONEY COVER? WHAT, WHAT, CAN'T IT, DO WE HAVE THESE GUIDELINES IN PLACE? AND I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THE GROUP COMMUNICATE BETTER AS THEY GO THROUGH THE APPLICATIONS.
AND THEN, AND THEN FOR US, I DO, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO OR DON'T, BUT LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL, WHAT, IT'S ONLY REALITY THAT, THAT WE, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO US AND THE COMMUNITY OF NEEDS AND, AND LIKE WE'RE INVOLVED IN, WE SEE THEM ALL AND THEIR, THEIR IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO WHAT ARE PEOPLE TELLING US AND WHAT DIRECTION ARE WE SEEING TOGETHER THAT WE NEED, MAYBE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE HELP OVER HERE OR, OR NEED TO HOLD STRONG OVER.
UM, AND SO IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SHARE THAT FROM TIME TO TIME, I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL.
AND I THINK KIND OF WHAT CAME UP IS IT'S, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
JUST KIND OF HAVING PARAMETERS LIKE GUIDELINES.
HERE'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO IF WE DO HAVE LIKE, KIND OF AN OFF A NONPROFIT THAT COMES IN AND BECAUSE YES, DO WE HAVE A STANDARD APPLICATION? YOU KNOW, AND OKAY, THE FIRST THING WE SAY IS, WELL, YOU JUST HAVE TO FILL OUT OUR APPLICATION.
HERE'S OUR PROCESS, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT DOESN'T COME BACK ON YOU GUYS TO SAY, OH, OH YEAH, YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
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IT'S JUST, WELL, WE HAVE OUR PROCESS, YOU KNOW, AND HERE IT IS.AND IT CERTAINLY ANYBODY CAN GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
BUT YEAH, IT'S JUST REALLY CLARITY, I THINK, AND CONSISTENCY SO THAT WE DON'T FIND NON-PROFITS HERE OR THERE, THAT WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH OUR PROCESS.
AND THEN SOMEBODY COMES ALONG LATER AND SAYS, WELL, HOW COME THEY GOT MONEY? CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL COME BACK LATER, EVERYTHING THAT WAS REQUESTED IS IN THE BUDGET.
SO, UM, THE ART IN PUBLIC PLACES, FUNDING IS WITH ADDITIONAL CIP, 1% ADDED, UM, THE PARK TRUST FUNDING REQUEST IS IN THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND HERE WE ARE AT BREAKING IN.
DID YOU WANT TO SAY COMMENT? ANYTHING ELSE? OH, THIS IS, UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, THIS LAST SEGMENT I COULD TELL IS THAT HEAVY SEGMENT, SOMEWHAT SOBERING IN SOME ASPECTS, BUT, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT DISCUSSION TO HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE THIS BREAK AND I THINK THEN WE'LL GO TO THE ANDY SHOW, UM, UH, AND TALK ABOUT CIP AND ARPA-E AND WHAT ELSE? WE MAY BE A GUY WE GOTTA GET OUTTA HERE BY LUNCHTIME.
WHO'S GOING, OH, ANDY, YOU READY TO KEEP US GOING? YES.
SO FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC ANDY CONYERS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OF ADMINISTRATION.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE NEXT, UM, FEW MINUTES AND I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.
UM, TALKING ABOUT THE FIVE-YEAR OUTLOOK FOR OUR TWO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SALES TAX FUNDS.
SO JUST AS A REFRESHER ABOUT, UH, THE TWO FUNDS, SO ON THE LEFT, THE 2000, WHICH WE CALL THE 2000 CIP SALES TAX.
SO IT'S A THREE QUARTER SET, PERMANENT TAX AND ANNUALLY GENERATES AROUND $15 MILLION.
SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT IT HAS HELPED ACCOMPLISH, UH, THE LAST FEW YEARS WAS THE COBELL WIDENING PROJECT THAT IS NOW COMPLETE, UH, KICKING BIRD, WHICH IS ONGOING.
AND THEN IT FUNDS OUR ANNUAL MILL AND OVERLAY PROJECT, WHICH, UH, IS TO THE TUNE OF ROUGHLY THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
SO CURRENTLY IT HAS AN ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE OF 8.4 MILLION AND OLDER DEBT BEGINS TO FALL OFF IN FISCAL YEAR 26, 27.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER, $40 MILLION WAS BORROWED IN JULY OF 2021, UM, AGAINST THIS FUND FOR A 15 YEAR BORROW AND ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE AT THREE TO $4 MILLION.
AND THEN THAT LAST BULLET THERE, I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, THE FUTURE ISSUANCE NEEDED, UH, WITH A GOAL TO TRY TO KEEP IT WITHIN 40%, 40 TO 50% OF THE REVENUE THAT'S COMING INTO THE FUND.
SO IT WILL STILL ALLOW US TO DO OTHER PROJECTS AND ON THE RIGHT, THE 2017 CIP SALES TAX TO HALF-CENT TAX, WHICH SUNSETS, UH, THE END OF MARCH 20, 27 AND ANNUALLY GENERATES, UM, AROUND $10 MILLION IN SOME PROJECTS THAT IT HAS HELPED ACCOMPLISH WAS, UM, THE RELOCATION OF FIRE STATION, NUMBER TWO, A LITTLE OVER $4 MILLION, AND THEN THE ONGOING SECOND BRYANT PROJECT.
SO, UH, NO DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS WITH THAT CAN'T BORROW, WE GET SOMETHING THAT SUNSETS.
AND THEN, UM, AS A REMINDER, THERE WAS AN IDENTIFIED LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WAS, UM, THAT THIS TAX WAS PASSED WITH.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE THERE'S, THERE'S ROUGHLY 11 ITEMS, UH, PREPARED BY THAT TEMPORARY TASK FORCE AND RECOMMENDED, AND THEN ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL.
SO SOME OF THOSE ARE, UM, SPECIFIC AS FIRE STATION.
NUMBER TWO EDMUND CENTER COURT WAS ON THAT LIST AS WELL AS SOME BROADER PROJECTS, WHICH WAS JUST TRAFFIC ALLEVIATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT PROJECT WAS PASSED WITH THE INTENDED USE OF, AND I'M GONNA LOOK AT THIS AS SORT OF IN THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW AND THEN IN BUCKETS WITH HOW WE GROUP THESE THINGS WITHIN THE FUNDS.
SO FALLING UNDER STREETS AND HIGHWAYS, IT'S PROPOSED TO SPEND $62 MILLION.
AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE, AS YOU'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, ESTIMATES HAS, HAS THE NUMBERS, AS WE KNOW NOW OF THINGS RAPIDLY CHANGING.
SO $62 MILLION ON STREETS AND HIGHWAYS, AND AGAIN, RECONSTRUCTION RESURFACING, THE STREETS COMES OUT OF THAT ANNUALLY.
UM, AND HERE'S SOME INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
UM, SO AGAIN, NOTHING SHOULD COME AS A SURPRISE.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN PRIORITIZED, UM, THROUGH OUR VARIOUS SUBCOMMITTEES, UH, THROUGH THE COUNCIL AND CONSTANT CON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO JUST A PICTURE OF A SECOND, BRIAN THERE, AND THEN ALSO, UM, ON THE RADAR IS, UH, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT DANFORTH AND KELLY COBELL AND COLTRANE SECOND AND BOULEVARD, DANFORTH AND SOONER, AND THEN BROADWAY IN COFFEE CREEK AS WELL FROM THIS FUND IS, UH, OUR ITS PROJECTS.
SO THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, UH, PHASE THREE, WHICH IS, UH, JUST GOT
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UNDERWAY AND THEN A FUTURE PHASE, WHICH WOULD BE PHASE FOUR AND THEN ADA AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ALONG SECOND STREET FROMAND THEN OF COURSE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, THAT CHEYENNE MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH I HAS BEEN ORDERED, BUT WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE SIGNAL TO ACTUALLY SHOW UP, WHICH AS WE KNOW WITH THE PROJECT, THE SIGNALS THAT
UM, AND JUST AS A REMINDER ON SECOND AND BRYANT, UH, CONSTRUCTION'S GOING GOOD.
AND WITH COOPERATIVE WEATHER AND THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT SHOULD BE COMPLETE BY LATE SUMMER, LATE THIS SUMMER.
THUMBS UP FROM OUR CITY ENGINEER.
DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US A DATE? I THINK WE WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE COMING UP UNTIL THE MASSIVE RAINS WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THE CONTRACTOR WAS TRYING TO GET ALL THE LANES OPEN BY THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AROUND THAT FIRST, SECOND WEEK OF AUGUST.
UM, AND WE HOPE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THERE AS LONG AS NOTHING ELSE HAS FOUND, BUT THEY'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS OUT THERE.
UM, SO MOVING ON TO ANOTHER BUCKET, THE PARKS AND RECREATION BUCKET BUCKET.
SO IT'S PROPOSED TO SPEND $50 MILLION, UM, UH, TOWARDS THE PROJECTS UNDERNEATH, UNDERNEATH THIS BUCKET.
UM, SO FIRST ONE I'LL HIGHLIGHT ON THE LIST.
SO HOT OFF THE PRESSES, THE STEVENSON PARK UPGRADES WAS JUST POSTED TO OUR SITE, FORBID THIS MORNING, THE BIDS CLOSE ON THAT JUNE 7TH, ASSUMING WE GET A GOOD BID FOR THAT PROJECT, THEN WE WILL BRING THAT TO YOUR JUNE 27TH MEETING.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE, JUNE 27TH.
SO VERY HOPEFUL FINGERS CROSSED WITH THE BIG CLIMATE THAT WE'RE IN, BUT WE WILL, WE WILL SEE WHERE WE'RE AT SO MUCH ANTICIPATED.
UH, OF COURSE THE KICKING BIRD PROJECT, WHICH YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE OF.
SO AS THE LARGEST SINGLE INVESTMENT WITHIN THIS BUCKET, BUT ALSO UNDERNEATH THIS ARE THE CAPLINGER BALL FIELD UPGRADES.
SO, AND THAT IS ABOUT OUR HOPE IS IN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS, THAT WILL ALSO BE PUT OUT TO BID.
WE'RE EXCHANGING FINAL COMMENTS BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND THE ARCHITECT.
AND I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT OUT TO BID IN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS.
AND THEN FOLLOWING ON THE HEELS OF THAT WILL BE UPGRADE SUITABLE, MAKE SERVICE, UH, COMPLEX.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, THE PROJECTED BE FUNDED THROUGH THIS IS THE NEW RECTANGULAR FIELDS AT MITCHELL PARK.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE MASTER PLAN HAS, HAS STARTED, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO DESIGN FROM THAT.
AND THEN LOOKING AT HOW MANY FIELDS, UH, CAN GO IN THERE, HOW MANY WE WANT TO GO IN THERE, WHETHER HOW MANY CAN BE TURF VERSUS GRASS AND, AND WE WILL WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, TRAILS OF COURSE, WHICH SHOULD ALWAYS A POPULAR AMENITY.
UH, ANYTIME WE ASK OUR RESIDENTS THROUGH THE CITIZEN SURVEY OR VARIOUS OTHER MEANS TRAILS ALWAYS RANK VERY HIGH.
SO HERE ARE THE TWO TRAILS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OVER THAT.
SO THE ROUTE 66 TO SPRING CREEK, AND THEN OF COURSE THE CREEK BEND AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE VETERANS MORE YES.
FALLS INTO THIS BUCKET AS WELL.
SO WITH THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL PART OF THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED BY PRIVATE DONATIONS THOUGH.
SO WE, WE HAVE EARMARKED IN AN OUTER IN, I THINK IT'S YEAR THREE OF THE BUDGET, JUST $2 MILLION.
SO I KNOW THEY'RE VERY HOPEFUL, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, AS THEY MESSAGE MANY TIMES THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO RAISE ALL THE FUNDS.
SO, UM, AND WE WOULD LOVE THAT OBVIOUSLY.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT, BUT, UM, WE BUDGETED $2 MILLION TO ASSIST WITH THAT PROJECT.
AND WE'LL JUST KINDA KIND OF SEE WHERE WE GO.
MITCH PARK FIELDS, THE BASEBALL FIELDS.
WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN FOR THEM TO FINALLY GET RENOVATED TO WHERE THERE ARE TOURNAMENT QUALITY CARS? SO WE CAN, I WILL, I WILL ASK FOR ASSISTANCE AT THIS TIME.
SO I'M ALSO GONNA HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS ALONG WITH CRAIG AND RYAN'S HELP ON THE PARK TAX, AFTER CIP TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE FUNDED.
AND IT'S FIVE YEARS THROUGH THAT.
ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO DO, UH, VERY SOON IS A MASTER PLAN OF MICH PARK.
AND IN THAT MASTER PLAN WOULD INCLUDE THOSE FIELDS.
UH, WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT JUST RENOVATING, UH, FIELDS, WE KNEW WE HAVE SOME TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUES AND SOME TRAIL ACCESS ISSUES AT MICH PARK.
AND SO WE KIND OF WANT TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AS A WHOLE.
SO WE WOULD DO A MASTER PLAN FIRST, UH, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE START ON THOSE FIELDS.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PROJECTS IN THAT MASTER PLAN IS THE, IS THE BASEBALL FIELDS OUT OF WHICH PART? I GUESS I WAS THINKING WE WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THE FIELDS EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER PLAN.
SO IS THAT KIND OF A SHIFT FOR, WELL, TH THE RECTANGULAR FIELDS WE ARE, BUT THE, THE, THE FOUR OR FIVE BASEBALL, SOFTBALL FIELDS, YES.
THEY NEED TO BE UPGRADED BADLY, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING ELSE FLOWS WITH THAT.
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WE FEEL IT.UM, AND THEN THE NEXT, UH, BUCKET AND THE FIVE-YEAR PROJECT LIST IS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AND $35 MILLION OF THE BUDGET IS GOING TOWARDS THAT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET TOWARD THAT.
AND OF COURSE THE LARGEST CHUNK OF THAT IS THE CITY HALL AND PARKING GARAGE, WHICH WE DISCUSSED, WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
UM, SO AN UPDATE ON THAT, WHICH WE, WE HAVE WE'RE ESTIMATING FOR THAT PROJECT.
IT'S $30 MILLION, UM, THROUGH REQUESTS FOR QUALIFICATIONS, WE SELECTED AN ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING TEAM THAT ASSIGNED THE FACILITIES.
AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITHIN THIS WEEK.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH SCOPE AND COSTS.
AND SO AT THAT SAME MEETING ON JUNE 27TH, W OUR HOPE IS IN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T HIT IT IS TO BRING YOU A CONTRACT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT MEETING.
YES, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF THINGS ON THAT.
THAT WILL BE A LOT OF THINGS ON ME.
SO, UM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, SO WITH THE, WITH THE PEDESTRIAN UNDERPASS, WITH, WITH ALL THE ADDITIONAL, UH, AS WE, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MULTIPLE TIMES WITH THE SILOS COMING IN, AND THEN ALSO THE LARK TO THE LARC, AS YOU'VE SEEN, HAS GONE VERTICAL, THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 400 PLUS NEW PEOPLE LIVING DOWNTOWN.
SO FINDING WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO CROSS THE TRACKS SAFELY, NOT NECESSARILY PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THEIR CAR, BUT PEOPLE, WHETHER IT BE WALKING OR ON A BIKE, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, SO WE, WE HAVE STARTED, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS KIM.
AND WHAT THAT WILL DO IS WORK WITH US AND WORK WITH THE RAILROAD TO SAY, WHAT CAN WE ACTUALLY DO? AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THEM COME TO YOU ALL AND PRESENT AND SAY, HERE'S SOME OPTIONS.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE ON TO FULL-BLOWN DESIGN AT THAT POINT AND DESIGN, UH, AND THEN ONTO CONSTRUCTION.
IF I COULD JOIN US ON THIS DOWN, THE CITY HALL AND PARKING GARAGE IS WE'RE DOING CMR, CORRECT ON THIS ONE, CORRECT? YES.
YOU KNOW, STEVE, THAT, IT'S A NEW THING, NEW PROCESS FOR US.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WHAT WE CALL AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, WHICH WILL COMPRISE OF ONE OR TWO COUNSELORS TO SERVE ON THAT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
SO AS THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE CONTRACTOR IN THE ROOM, THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES NOT ONLY FROM CITY STAFF THERE, BUT CITY, CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE INPUT ON SCOPE AND LOOK AND FEEL BECAUSE REALLY THIS IS, THIS COULD BE YOUR FUTURE OFFICES OR SOMEBODY DOWN THE LINE FOR, FROM WHO YOU ARE, AS FAR AS THIS PUBLIC SPACE HERE, AS FAR AS OTHER PUBLIC SPACE, HOW DO WE USE THAT SPACE TO THE BETTERMENT, NOT JUST OF STAFF, BUT THE PUBLIC.
SO WE WANT TO HAVE YOUR INPUT, ESPECIALLY AS WE CONSIDER OUR, THERE ARE ELEMENTS WE WANT TO BE.
SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE, OF THIS COMMITTEE, THIS COUNCIL TO SERVE ON THAT PERIODICALLY TO PROVIDE INPUT AND FEEDBACK, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DESIGNING THE CITY HALL, BUT NOT JUST WORKS FOR CITY STAFF, BUT ALSO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
AND, UM, I PUT ON THE BULLET POINT HERE IN FANCY, UH, TALLIX, UM, TO FURTHER, TO REINVEST IN AREA.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO KEEP IN MIND THAT SINCE THE CREATION OF THE PROPERTY TAX TIF IN OCTOBER, 2020, THE CITY HAS COMMITTED ENCUMBERED OVER $12 MILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA.
SO THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO THAT WITH A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR THE SILOS, WHICH WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC PARKING IN THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND THEN ALSO IT INCLUDES OUTSIZE WATER LINES, SEWER LINES, STORM, WATER, STREETSCAPE, PARKING TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND SO WE'VE GOTTEN VERY CREATIVE WITH FRONTING THAT MONEY AND USING SOME OF OUR UTILITY FUNDS TO HELP DO THAT, AS WELL AS THE CIP WITH ALL OF THAT, TO BE REPAID OVER THE LIFE OF A 20 YEAR PROPERTY TAX, TAX INCOME AND FINANCING DISTRICT.
SO LOTS OF REALLY EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN, AND WITHOUT THAT, AND WITHOUT COUNCIL SUPPORT AND ADOPTING THAT THESE THINGS WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.
WE HEAR IT ROUTINELY NOT ONLY WAS THE BIG, ONE OF THE HUGE STEP TO TAKE WAS TO ESTABLISH THE QUIET ZONE, WHICH TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $4 MILLION THAT SET THE TABLE FOR ALL THESE OTHER THINGS AND FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO REINVEST BACK IN THE AREAS, REALLY MAKING THESE THINGS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO NEXT ON THE FIVE-YEAR PROJECT LIST IS, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUCKET.
SO CURRENTLY SLATED IS, UH, 38 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
THE LARGEST CHUNK OF WILL BE, UM, THE INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX.
UM, MORE ON THAT IN A FEW SLIDES.
I'LL, I'LL BRING THAT UP IN A FEW SLIDES WHEN WE GET TO IT, BUT THIS, THIS PICTURE, WHICH KINDA GOT A LITTLE SQUEEZED TOGETHER IS, UM, SO ONE OF THE BULLETS UNDERNEATH THIS IS, UM, ALLOCATING FUNDS EACH YEAR TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCENTIVE FUNDS.
AND SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 23, UH, THE CREST THAT'S GOING IN ON SOONER, JUST NORTH OF COBELL, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING $2 MILLION, UH, TO ASSIST WITH THAT PROJECT.
AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE IS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WIDENING THE ROAD, UH, ON SOONER, AS WELL AS ADDING A SIGNAL.
UM, AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT IT BEARS REPEATING THAT THESE WERE IMPROVEMENTS THAT STAFF KNEW WOULD HAVE TO TAKE
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PLACE AT SOME POINT IN THE AREA.AND SO THEY'VE ONLY GOTTEN ACCELERATED BECAUSE THE CREST IS COMING SO, AND CREST AND UPDATE SITE PLAN AND CURRENTLY HAVE REVIEW.
SO THAT, AND I KNOW THE LAW IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE WE VISITED WITH THEM, BUT THEIR GOAL WAS TO BE OPEN SUMMER OF 2023.
SO I KNOW THAT THEY'RE PUSHING FOR THAT, BUT CRITICAL IN THAT IS, IS, UH, THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO ASSIST WITH THAT.
SO, UH, AND THEN, UM, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, UNDERNEATH THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
UH, THE CROSS TIMBERS EXPANSION IS ON THAT.
AND THE PICTURE THAT'S UP HERE, UM, IS WITH THAT THIRD BULLET.
SO THIS IS THE POLICE SUBSTATION AND PARK OFFICE NEAR ARCADIA LAKE.
SO JUST TO ORIENTATE YOU, THIS, THIS THING IS BLUE.
I'M NOT REAL GOOD, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S THE LAKE.
SO THAT'S YEAH, NO, THIS IS SECOND STREET RIGHT HERE.
SO CURRENTLY, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A SUBSTATION, UH, THAT'S PRIMARILY USED FOR STORAGE, UH, FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO, UH, PATROL THE LAKE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, IT'S BEEN ON THEIR LIST FOR A WHILE, UM, TO UPGRADE THAT FACILITY.
AND SO THERE'D BEEN DESIGNED MONEY BUDGETED WITHIN THIS FUND, AS WE GOT FURTHER ALONG AND TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT AND NEEDS OF THE AREA AND ANTICIPATION IN THE ARCADIA, LIKE MASTER PLAN, THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE PARK OFFICE, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE BIT HERE TO THE EAST, SITS ON A REALLY NICE, BEAUTIFUL POINT THAT, UM, IT'S, IT'S NICE THAT IT'S THERE, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND SO WHAT THIS DESIGN WOULD LOOK AT IS A JOINT USE FACILITY.
SO A BUILDING THAT WOULD HOUSE BOTH OF THESE FUNCTIONS, A POLICE SUBSTATION, AND THEN THE PARK OFFICE.
SO THE PARK OFFICE FUNCTIONS WOULD MOVE OVER AND I WILL GIVE CREDIT TO MR. OCHSNER FOR THIS IDEA.
WE COULD SEE, DEFINITELY SEE THAT THE CURRENT SPACE OF THE PARK OFFICE BEING REPURPOSED TO SOMETHING ELSE, AND WE'LL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT SPACE IS AVAILABLE FOR WHATEVER THAT USE MAY BE.
SO WE'LL ABOUT BY THE KICKOFF DESIGN OF THIS, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN, UM, INTERVIEWING, UH, ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING FIRMS TO TALK ABOUT DESIGN OF THAT.
SO JUST WANT TO UPDATE YOU ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN UNDER THE, THE FINAL ONE IN CIP, UM, IS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUCKET AND $31 MILLION BUDGET FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S FOR THE SECOND LIBRARY AND WHY YMCA.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THERE WE ARE WITH FRONTAGE ROAD FOR
SO THEIR CONGREGATION, BUT WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS IN OVER WITH THEM OVER SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND THEIR CONGREGATION VOTED IN EARLY MAY TO SELL THIS 10 ACRES TO THE CITY, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE USERS TO BE A SECOND LIBRARY AND YMCAS.
SO WE HAVE STARTED WORKING ON A PURCHASE AND SALE CONTRACT WITH THEM, AND THEN WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD IN THE NEXT 60 TO 90 DAYS TO YOU ALL, UH, JOINTLY WITH THAT.
WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MEMORANDUMS OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE LIBRARY AND THE CITY AND THE YMCA, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S LOCKSTEP AND MOVING FORWARD TOGETHER, AS WE CLOSE ON THIS REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION.
SO REALLY, REALLY EXCITING THINGS TO COME LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, PLANNING, UH, THIS, THIS BUILDING.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY NEAT FACILITY TO PLAN AND LOOK FORWARD TO THAT OVER THE COMING YEAR.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AGAIN, NOTHING WE'RE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH YOU ALL, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY ABOUT PRIORITIES, AS WELL AS THE CIP OVERSIGHT BOARD.
SO HOPEFULLY NOTHING WAS A SURPRISE THAT WAS ON THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK RUN THROUGH KIND OF WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE AND THEN UPDATES ON EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
UH, JUST STILL IN PARK AND REC.
SO WE HAVE OUR, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO THINGS FOR E-SPORTS.
SO WHAT CONVERSATIONS ARE BEING HAD, OR ON BECOME FIELDS, THE EDMUND 66 PARK AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE I'M GETTING CALLS ON THOSE ASSETS ALSO THAT WE HAVE, AND WE'RE NOT UTILIZING RIGHT NOW TO, TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT CRAIG DIRECTOR DESPRENEUR YEP.
WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THOSE PROPERTIES.
UM, WHEN A WATER RESOURCES HAS DONE TEARING UP THE OLD BECOME SOFTBALL COMPLEX, WHICH IS GOING TO VERY SOON, UH, WE WANT TO GO BACK IN THERE AND ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY PARK, UH, WHICH WE ARE THINKING RIGHT NOW WOULD INCLUDE SOME PRACTICE FIELDS, UH, POTENTIALLY SOME SKINNED IN FIELDS, MAYBE WITH LIGHTS.
UH, WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT EDMUND 66 PARK THERE'S ADDITIONAL LAND THERE THAT ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED 12 SOFTBALL FIELDS THAT WE WENT FOR.
UH, BUT THERE'S SOME LAND, UH, JUST NORTH OF THOSE SOFTBALL FIELDS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
MAYBE WE CAN TURN THAT INTO, UM, UH, SOME LARGE GREEN SPACE WITH IRRIGATION.
UM, MAYBE IT'S A TEMPORARY THING IF WE NEED
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TO ADD MORE SOFTBALL FIELDS, BUT WHERE WE COULD HAVE MAYBE A LARGE AREA FOR, FOR, UM, UH, RECTANGULAR PRACTICE FIELDS.SO, UM, KIND OF JUMPING THROUGH THE HOOPS OF DOING THESE FIELDS AT MITCHELL PARK, THE RECTANGULAR FIELDS, AND THEN OUR THOUGHT IS TO KIND OF JUMP INTO THE NEXT ONES AS WE GO.
SO ALL IDENTIFIED JUST TIME AND MONEY.
YEAH, BECAUSE IF I DON'T SEE IT ON THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN, THEN, OH, THAT'S A TIME MAKING BANK IN DUXBURY.
UM, SO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WITH BOTH OF THESE TAXES IS, UM, THESE THREE LARGE PROJECTS THAT ARE, UM, AT VARIOUS STAGES, I'M GIVING UP ON A COUPLE OF THEM, BUT REALLY I LOOK AT INVESTMENTS IN QUALITY OF LIFE AND THEN WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH THIS.
SO ON THE LEFT FOR ESTIMATED AT THIS POINT FOR THESE THREE PROJECTS, IT'S $90 MILLION IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT ON THE RIGHT, WHAT YOU SEE IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BORROW MONEY, UM, ROUGHLY WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS $86 MILLION NEAR THE END OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WHEN WE RAN THIS PROJECTION OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO BORROW THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
UM, IT WAS ABOUT 45 DAYS AGO AND WE WERE LOOKING AT 15 YEAR DEBT.
AND THE RATE AT THAT POINT WAS THREE, THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.
DON'T THINK IT'S THREE AND A HALF PERCENT ANYMORE.
UM, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T CHECKED BACK.
AND WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE WANT TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL OF AS IF, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD AND WHAT WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU ALL ON.
ARE WE STILL GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO OTHER PROJECTS OTHER THAN THIS, THESE THREE? AND SO WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS 50% OF THE REVENUE IN THE 2000 CIP WOULD BE DEDICATED TO DEBT REPAYMENT OVER THE NEXT, UH, 15 TO 17 YEARS WHEN EVERYTHING FINALLY FALLS OFF.
UM, SO YES, I WANTED TO THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA WHERE WE'RE AT.
I, I GAVE YOU AN UPDATE, UM, ON CITY HALL AND THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE SECOND LIBRARY AND, UH, THE NEW Y YMCA, UM, TH THE INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX, WHAT THIS ASSUMPTION IS, IS ASSUMING IS THAT THE CITY WOULD, UM, ACQUIRE THE LAND AND THEN THE CITY WOULD BUILD THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THE CITY WOULD, WOULD TRY TO FIND AN OPERATOR WOULD FIND AN OPERATOR TO OPERATE THIS FACILITY OVER THE LONGTERM.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING WE'RE, RE-EVALUATING THAT A LITTLE TO SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT, MIGHT LOOK LIKE, AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHY HERE IN A SECOND, ONCE WE GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD ON THAT.
BUT I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT, THE OTHER TWO, WE HAVE A CLEAR, A CLEARER PATH FORWARD, AND WE'LL STAY IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH YOU ALL, UM, ABOUT THE BEST PATH FORWARD STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX.
SO MR. RIGBY, ANYTHING TO, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? DID I, DID I KNOW, WELL, YES, SORRY TO BE ON THE SPOT AND GO BACK IN TIME.
SO I JUST LOOK AT THE 90 MILLION ESTIMATED I'M JUST CAUTIOUS THAT, THAT MAYBE 90 MILLION, BUT 90 MILLION GETS US TWO TO THREE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
AS WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER, I ALMOST WANT TO SAY, PUT AN ASTERISK AND SAY, THAT'S WHAT WE ESTIMATE IT IS.
THAT'S WHAT WE PUT IN THE BUDGET PLAN FOR, BUT WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW THE SECOND, SECOND LIBRARY.
AND WHEN MCA COMES IN, LET'S SAY, IT'S HIGHER THAN WHAT WE EXPECTED.
THEN WE DO THIS, THE CITY HALL, AND WE SAY, YOU BUDGET 30.
WE MAY JUST SAY, THIS IS A FLUID, THIS IS OUR GOAL.
THIS IS OUR INTENTION, BUT WE MAY NEED TO COME BACK.
AS WE LOOK AT EACH OF THESE PROJECTS CAN GIVE AN UPDATE AND SAY, HEY, THAT TOOK MORE THAN WE THOUGHT.
DO WE STILL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE OTHER PROJECTS? OR DO WE WANT TO SCALE BACK, OR DO WE WANT TO REDEPLOY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THESE RISING COSTS AND THEN ANDY COMES FORWARD ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT RISING COSTS WE MAY DECIDE, DO WE NEED TO START LOOKING? RE-LOOKING AT OUR, OUR LIST OF PROJECTS AND TIMING AND REDEPLOY DOLLARS TO WHAT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY OF PROJECTS MAY BE THAT MAY CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE IT'S PARKED.
WE ONLY HAVE THIS MUCH FUNDING.
DO WE WANT TO REDEPLOY OTHER DOLLARS TO, TO MAKE UP THAT? CAUSE THAT'S A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN MAYBE SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS.
SO I'M JUST, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND HE'S WORKING IN THIS TEAM WORKING ON IT, BUT WE MAY COME, I'M GOING TO GUESS ME CONFIDENTLY THAT WE'LL BE COMING BACK AND TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS ON A CONTINUAL BASIS.
WELL, AND ALL THE MORE REASON WHY WE SEE THE ADVANTAGES OF, OF TRYING OUR FIRST,
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UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROJECT ON THE CITY HALL, WE'LL HAVE A LOT BETTER.WHAT THAT, AND WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS OPPOSED TO THE DELIVERY METHOD WE'VE WE'VE USED PREVIOUSLY IS WILL PREVIOUSLY, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE WILL DESIGN EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT, WHETHER IT'S A PARK FACILITY OR A BUILDING OR WHATEVER, AND THEN WE'LL GO POST THAT FOR A HARD BID, RIGHT? AND WE THINK WE HAVE THE ESTIMATE AND WE CROSS OUR FINGERS AND SAY, I HOPE WE GET THE, WHERE WE THOUGHT THE ESTIMATE WAS.
AND WE OPENED THE PACKAGE AND GO, OH MY GOSH.
SO THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING MORE AND MORE JUST GIVEN THE, UM, JUST THE, THE ERA THAT WE'RE IN.
AND SO WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK IS WE WILL GET THAT GENERAL CONTRACTOR IN, UH, AS, AS WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEERING TEAM, UM, DURING DESIGN.
SO WE'LL HAVE A LOT BETTER IDEA OF WHERE IS THIS PROJECT GOING TO COME IN AT, WILL GET PRICING MORE IN REAL TIME, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD AND HOW MUCH BETTER IDEA OF, OKAY, WELL, IF YOU STILL WANT THIS AND YOU WANT TO KEEP IT AT THIS PRICE, HERE'S THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY, OR HERE'S SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU COULD USE.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY OPPORTUNE TIME TO BE USING CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING AS DETAILED AS A BUILDING.
SO PARKING GARAGE, A LITTLE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD, RIGHT? YOU CAN MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPECIFICITY THAT GOES INTO THAT.
SO, YEAH, AS I SAID, MULTIPLE TIMES, CONSTANT COMMUNICATION AS WE GET BETTER IDEAS WHERE THESE ESTIMATES ARE GOING TO COME IN.
UM, AND THEN THIS ONE, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A THEME OF THIS, THIS, THIS BUDGET HEARING, UM, JUST, UH, HIGHER.
I SAID, I PUT THIS ON HERE, OFFERING THIS AS A WARNING, BUT I THINK YOU'VE HEARD IT ABOUT 17 TIMES ALREADY.
AND HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS, CLIMBING INTEREST RATE, BUSY CONTRACTORS EQUALS HIGHER COSTS.
UH, CHRIS KNIFING HAD SENT AN ARTICLE TO A FEW OF US A FEW WEEKS AGO.
LOUIS IS BUILDING A CONVENTION CENTER AND THEY BUILT HALF OF IT PREVIOUSLY AND THEY'RE DOING THE OTHER HALF.
AND THEY HAD ESTIMATED THE PROJECT AT $210 MILLION, PUT IT OUT FOR BID.
THEY GOT ZERO BIDS, RIGHT? AND THE REASONS GIVEN LIMITED SUPPLIES MEANS CONTRACTORS ARE VERY PICKY ON THE PROJECTS.
THEY CHOOSE LABOR SHORTAGE, SO THEY CAN'T FIND PEOPLE TO DO THEM.
AND THEN THIRD, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY A BAD THING, BUT, UM, THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS SET UP OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS THERE'S NOT AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY WITH THINGS.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH SOMEBODY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UM, YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ON THE FLY WITH YOUR COSTS.
SO AGAIN, FOR THE TOOL THAT WE HAVE IS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT'LL HELP US GET BETTER IDEAS OF COST AS WE GO.
SO, UM, UH, AND THEN JUST QUICKLY SPEND A FEW MINUTES ON PARK TAX.
AND I KNOW THAT, UM, UH, IF TO FILL IN THE GAPS, UH, RYAN AND CRAIG AND HELP ME.
SO JUST KIND OF A FIVE-YEAR OUT, UH, OUTLOOK OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO IT'S A REMINDER OF THE PARK TAX.
IT'S AN EIGHTH OF A CENT AND IT ANNUALLY, ANNUALLY GENERATES $2.5 MILLION.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE USE THAT FOR IS STAFFING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AND SMALL CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WE'VE, UM, I THINK TRADITIONALLY, WHENEVER THIS WAS IN ITS INFANCY, WHAT THIS TAX PAID FOR WAS NEWER THINGS.
AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS IT'S, YES, WE CAN DO SOME SMALLER, NEWER THINGS, BUT IT ALSO, IT PROVIDES MUCH MORE ASSISTANCE IN MAINTAINING WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
RIGHT? SO, UM, AND THEN PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT THIS HELPED FUND IS THE NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND TRAIL REPAIR AT HAYFORD, THE SOME MASTER PLANS AND DESIGNS, UH, TRAILS, VETERANS, MEMORIAL AND CEMETERY, AND THEN ALSO ASSISTANCE AT PELICAN BAY AND THE NICHE PARK YNC, A COMPETITION POOL TO KEEP THOSE FACILITIES UP UPGRADES AT PELICAN BAY, AND THEN TO KEEP THE COMPETITION POOL UP.
UM, SO FISCALLY THE NEXT TWO FISCAL YEARS, FISCAL YEAR 23, JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BUDGETED WITHIN THAT.
SO, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE THIS TAX FOR THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT WILL GO IN AT STEVENSON PARK.
SO IT'S NOT A PART OF THE BID PACKAGE THAT WENT OUT TODAY, UH, ALSO MICH PARK TRAIL REBUILD.
UM, AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UM, AS WE WOULD MESSAGE WITH YOU ALL 500, $500,000 WORTH OF ARPA TO HELP WITH THIS, WE THINK THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, CAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE THE OUTER LOOP AND THE INNER LOOP, BUT $500,000 FROM ARPA WILL CERTAINLY HELP COMPLETE THAT.
UM, AND THEN WITH EDMUND CENTER COURT, ADDITIONAL SHADE, UH, AND AUTO VISUAL UPGRADES, MITCHELL PARK, PLAYGROUND, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, ALSO AT MITCHELL PARK, THE DESIGN OF THE RECTANGULAR FIELDS IS BUDGETED FOR NEXT YEAR, AND THEN IT HAY FOR PARK, UH, REDOING THE STAGE DECK AND THE RESTROOMS, AND THEN SHIFTING OVER TO FISCAL YEAR 24 AT ARCADIA LAKE SIGNAGE, LIGHT AND TRAIL PARKING MASTER PLAN FOR, UH, MITCH, MITCH PARK, COFFEE CREEK TRAIL REBUILD, UM, SOME UPGRADES AT THE PICKUP BALL FACILITY, WHICH IS GETTING LOTS OF USE, WHICH IS A GREAT THING.
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UH, DESIGNS FOR REMODEL OF THE MULTI-ACTIVE MULTI-ACTIVE ACTIVITY CENTER.EASY FOR ME TO SAY THE MAC AND AS WELL AS PELICAN BAY, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING IN THIS FUND? AND THIS ONE I HAD HERE, JUST THE OUTER THREE FISCAL YEARS, UM, COMPETITION POOL AT MICH PARK THERE'S UM, AS THAT FACILITY CONTINUES TO AGE AND GET LOTS OF USE, THERE'S SOME LARGER CAPITAL, UH, REPLACEMENTS THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE WITH THE POOL.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE YMC AND THE SCHOOLS ON THAT, HAVING A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THOSE COSTS WOULD BE.
AND SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE BUDGET FOR THEM.
AND THEN THE MICH PARK BALL FIELD UPGRADES IS IN THE OUTER THREE FISCAL YEARS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO CAR ROOM AND PARK.
SO WHICH WHEN YOU MENTIONED CAR REMEN IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT WAS SOMEONE'S VISION OF THAT? IT WASN'T THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WERE, THAT WERE SUPPOSEDLY THAT OUR WORTH OR THE ORIGINAL PLAN TO FINALLY GET THOSE, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE THE TRAIL THROUGH THE ARBORETUM, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT I DIDN'T MENTION, OR YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT THAT WAS TOP OF MIND FOR YOU ALL? I LOVE ALL THE ITEMS I WANT ALL, YOU KNOW, THAT I, UM, WANT TO MENTION, UM, UM, I'M NOT READY TO GIVE UP ON, ON ALL OF THEM, UM, IN A, IN A TIMELY MANNER, UM, BECAUSE I WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ON OTHER OPTIONS FOR FUNDING AS WELL.
I THINK I'M, UH, UM, WAS IT 86 MILLION THAT WE HAVE FOR STREET AND ROAD, WHICH WE ALL WILL, IS THAT WHAT IT WAS THE FIRST, VERY FIRST ONCE? LET ME JUST SAYS 60, 62 60 2 MILLION.
THERE'S A PRETTY BIG CHUNK OF THAT TOTAL TOTAL FUND.
AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN CIP GOES, THE 2000 IS FIXED, BUT 2017 IS RENEWED.
UM, WHEN IT GOES TO THE CITIZENS FOR VOTE, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE SHOWN ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE THE, ARE THE FUN ONES.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A NEED ROADS AND, AND EXPANSION AND THE SURVEY SHOW THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK OUR CITIZENS WANT THE FUN PROJECTS TOO, AND THEY'VE VOTED THAT WAY.
UM, AND SO I THINK, I THINK THEY KIND OF WANT THEM ALL TO, AND IF WE LAID IT OUT IN A WAY THAT LOOK, THIS IS, THESE ARE OUR, THESE ARE OUR NEEDS.
AND WE ONLY HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF FUNDING AND WHERE IT COMES FROM NOW, WHERE DO WE GO? AND, UH, OKLAHOMA CITY HAS MAPS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, THEY ALSO HAVE GEO BONDS AND, AND WE DON'T AT ALL.
AND SO IF YOU WERE TO LAY OUT TO THE CITIZENS, LOOK, YOU CAN HAVE THESE PROJECTS AND YOUTH SPORTS AND PARKS THAT WE NEED AS WELL, THAT I'M CONVINCED EVERYBODY WANTS TO.
UM, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO DO THE STREET AND ROAD AT, AT WHAT POINT WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, A STRATEGIC PLANNING, AT WHAT POINT DO WE NEED A DEDICATED FUND OR A DEDICATED BOND FOR TRANSPORTATION, UM, AND FOR STREETS AND ROADS.
CAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S EATING UP SO MUCH OF OUR, OF OUR QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE WANTING DESPERATELY LIKE TOMORROW.
AND SO I'M, I TOTALLY GET IT THE PICTURE RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT I'M, I'M, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT CONVERSATION CONTINUE OF WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
AND EVEN OKLAHOMA CITY IS DOING, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE THINGS AT ONCE.
UM, AND, AND MAYBE WE CAN DO, MAYBE WE, THEN MAYBE WE CAN DO MORE ONCE WE JUST NEED THE CITIZENS OF EDMOND TO, TO VOTE AND DECIDE.
YEAH, NO, AND I THINK IF WE, TWO RECENT EXAMPLES OF CITIZENS DECIDING TO THIS IS A PRIORITY, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAX OURSELVES AS THE 2017, RIGHT.
WHICH IS THE EXTENSION OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER TAX.
AND THEN ALSO WITH THE LAND THAT'S SOUTH OF PAPER PARK.
SO PEOPLE SAID, YES, I WILL PAY MORE IN TAXES BECAUSE I VALUE THE THING.
LIKE THOSE PROJECTS, YOU BET, YOU BET.
LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE ONGOING, ONGOING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES FOR, AND BE VERY SPECIFIC TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO IT FOR STREETS AND ROADS.
THAT'S THE WAY THE ROADS AND OR WATER WASTEWATER, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CRITICAL OR A LIST OF FIVE PROJECTS AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SOME INTERSECTIONS AND THEN, UH, AND, AND THROW A TRAIL AND SOME WALKABILITY AND, AND SOME OTHER THINGS IN THERE THAT, UM, THAT'S JUST FOR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY DEDICATED AND IT'S, UH, OTHER CITIES ARE
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DOING THIS AND DOING VERY WELL.I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE'D GIVEN IT THE CHANCE.
CAUSE IF YOU JUST RE VOTE TO, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THE TECH A FINE VOTE ON MONEY FOR STUFF.
BUT WE WOULDN'T GO FOR THAT NOW OR OURSELVES.
BUT A VERY SPECIFIC SCOPE, LIKE THE LIST OF ROAD PROJECTS YOU HAD IS VERY SPECIFIC AND VERY AND VERY NEEDED.
UM, IT'S, I'M W I DON'T THINK WE'VE ASKED THE CITIZENS, DO YOU, HERE'S AN OPTION TO DO ALL OF, ALL OF THIS AT ONCE.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? UH, AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS, I WOULD SAY, JUST TO MY SHORT TIME TALKING NOW WITH THE PUBLIC, YOU, YOU WENT WITH OUR EDMUND DELEGATION DOWN THE STATE CAPITOL, AND EVEN SOME OF OUR CONGRESSIONALS, THEY WERE UNAWARE THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THAT CAPACITY.
THEY WERE TAKEN ABACK THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A GEO BOND.
THAT THERE THAT'S IN THEIR MIND FAMILIARITY IS, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, OH MY GOSH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THE CAPACITY ISSUES.
SO, UM, BUT IF WE WERE TO MOVE, THAT'S GREAT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
AND THAT MEANS IS INTERNAL STAFF.
WE'VE GOT TO START BUILDING AND I'LL CALL IT THAT THE RATIONALE AND JUSTIFICATION, IF THAT, THAT SOMEWHERE WE WANT TO GET ON THE ROAD AND HOW WE WOULD TIE THAT OR BUILD THE MESSAGE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IN THE CASE, THEY LEND THE PROTECTION IS TO HAVE A PUBLIC, SEE THAT, HEY, THIS IS ONLY FOR THIS USE, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE SPECIFIC TO THESE PROJECTS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE GENESIS CONCERNS LIKE, OH, I DID THIS.
AND THEN I FIND OUT YOU'RE DOING THIS THING OVER IN LEFT FIELD.
AND ALL OF THIS IS STRICTLY FOR THIS ACTIVITY, BUT THE ONE PROJECT THAT I KNOW I'M FLIPPING BACK TO THESE OTHER SIDES THAT ISN'T ON THE LIST, BUT, UH, IS ON MY MIND IS WE JUST KICKED OFF THIS ARCADIA MASTER PLAN.
AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL COME BACK, BUT THIS TIME, NEXT YEAR.
AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DO THOSE BIG TYPES OF PROJECTS AND YOU COME OUT WITH A MASTER PLAN AND THE QUESTION IS GREAT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? WE DON'T HAVE IT ON OUR LIST OF PROJECTS.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER PROJECT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT GOOD TO HAVE A MASTER PLAN AND THEN WE'D HAVE A MASTER PLAN.
AND IT'S, IT GOES, SITS ON THE SHELF WITHOUT A IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
IF I COULD ADD, I LOOKED BACK AND IT, UM, I LOOKED BACK AT CITY COUNCIL AGENDAS AND FOR AC CAPLINGER AND SERVICE BLAKE AND, AND SUBMITS PARK MASTER PLANNING WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2018.
AND SO WE'RE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
AND I JUST DON'T, UM, I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT IT'S TAKEN THAT LONG TO GO FROM, FROM MASTER PLAN TO GET AN, A PROJECT OUT OF THE GROUND FROM THAT.
AND I'M THANKFUL THAT THAT AND SOCCER PLAYERS AND BASEBALL PLAYERS ARE GOING TO BE SO PAINFUL THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE COMING.
UM, I'M, I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT IT TAKES FOUR AND A HALF YEARS TO GET THERE.
AND SO I HOPE THAT'S NOT THE CASE THAT WITH THE RECTANGULAR FIELDS OR, UH, OR ARCADIA LAKE, I JUST, I HOPE THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOT TO START WITH PLANNING.
AND MAYBE THAT'S A DISCUSSION COUNCIL MEMBER IS OF WARREN ARPAN DISCUSSION HERE SHORTLY.
I THINK, I THINK WE CAN EVEN GET IT DONE BY BEFORE LUNCHTIME.
WE MAY ABLE TO END THIS IS POSSIBLY REDEPLOYING SOME OF WITH ARPA DOLLARS OR POSSIBLY WE WANT TO LIST THE SAME.
WHAT'S THE HIGHEST PARTIES TO REDEPLOY TO, TO GET SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.
KICK-STARTED WITH OUR I'LL CALL OF EXISTING CAPACITY WITH STAFF, WITH YOU IN THE BACK OF THE SIGN UP.
AND I'LL JUST SHARE THAT, UM, ON BEHALF OF STAFF, IT IS DISAPPOINTING TO US TOO, AND WE HAVE A CULTURE THAT'S FOCUSED ON CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.
AND I THINK AS IT RELATES TO GETTING CIP PROJECTS DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED, WE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HIGHLY FOCUSED ON THAT.
SO A FEW THINGS WE'VE DONE IS CENTRALIZE IT, CENTRALIZED EVERYTHING WITHIN ENGINEERING.
UM, AND THEN CONSTANT LOOKING AT WHAT'S OUR REVIEW PROCESS LIKE, AND HOW DO WE IMPROVE THAT? SO WE, YES.
THAT IS ALL I HAD, UM, UH, AMERICAN RESCUE 20 AND ACT, I KNOW WE HAVE A SCHEDULED BREAK, BUT YOU BEEN GOING FOR, IF WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER 15 MINUTES, I CAN PROBABLY PUSH THROUGH IT AND YOU CAN ASK THE REST OF THE DAY.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD NEWS.
I'M HEARING, THIS IS GREAT NEWS.
I'M GOING TO GET COLD LUNCH ENDS HERE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN PICK IT UP AS YOU LEAVE OR WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO DO.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KATHY.
BUT YEAH, JUST TO KIND OF, THIS IS JUST TO, JUST TO SET THE TABLE FOR A FUTURE WORKSHOP, WE THINK, BECAUSE SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE FINAL RULE.
WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO HAVE A FULL BLOWN DISCUSSION
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WITH YOU ALL TODAY IN THE MIDST OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON BUDGET WISE.SO OUR GOAL WOULD BE IN JUNE 2ND, A LOT OF THINGS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PETERSON, THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE WOULD BE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP BEFORE THAT, TO TALK MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT ARPA-E, BUT KATHY CAN GIVE JUST A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT AND KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED, WHAT ELSE BEFORE WE GO.
BUT MOSTLY WE GET SOME CLARIFICATIONS TO THE RULE AND THERE'S I SPOTTED IT WHEN I SAW IT.
SO JUST FYI, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED OUR SECOND CONCH YET, BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY NEXT WEEK IT WAS ACCEPTED.
THIS ARE SOME METAL WAS ACCEPTED.
AND SO WE SHOULD GET IT VERY SOON.
SO THIS WAS WHAT WE'D ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY ADDRESSED IT AGAIN.
THE FINAL RULE, I'M GOING TO GO OVER JUST ABOUT FOUR POINTS THAT KIND OF CLARIFIED THINGS.
AND SO KIND OF PUT A CAUTION OUT THERE TOO.
LIKE WHEN WE'RE PICKING WHAT WE'RE DOING, JUST THERE ARE SOME REALLY CLEAR THINGS I THINK THAT WE CAN DO.
AND THEN SOME THAT MAYBE I PROBABLY CAN TECHNICALLY DO IT, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.
CAUSE THERE'S ONLY, I SAY ONLY, BUT IT'S ONLY 12 MILLION, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU COULD ALMOST SPEND 12 MILLION ON ONE THING.
SO ANYWAY, THIS WAS OUR ORIGINAL, AND ONE THING WE DID NOTICE THIS 4 MILLION FOR INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX BECAUSE OF THE CLARIFICATION, WE DON'T THINK THAT QUALIFIES ANYMORE.
SO FOR SURE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLOCATE THAT, UM, STEVENSON PARK PROBABLY DOES.
THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE IT'S KIND OF IN A GRAY AREA.
I THINK IT PROBABLY COULD MAYBE CERTAIN PARTS MORE SO THAN OTHERS, BUT I'M NOT REALLY SUGGESTING.
WE RE RECLASSIFY THAT, BUT WE NEED TO REVISIT, LIKE, WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER OPTIONS NOW WITH THE CLARE CLARIFICATIONS AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY, PRETTY SMALL, BUT UM, OKAY.
SO JUST WANT TO BRING YOU UP TODAY.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ONLY SUBMITTED 173,000 RIGHT NOW.
AND MOST OF IT'S BEEN THE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES STUDY IS ACTUALLY 175.
SO WE'RE WAITING ON THE OTHER INVOICE ON THAT, UM, AID TO IMPACTED INDUSTRY TOURISM.
WE'VE, WE'VE SUBMITTED 78,000 AND THEN PUBLIC HEALTH RESPONSE WAS REALLY MASKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR PANDEMIC IS COMING BASICALLY THROUGH HR IN OUR CLINIC.
UM, WE'VE ENCUMBERED APPROXIMATELY 582,000 AND IT'S THE MENTAL HEALTH ASSESSMENT WAYFINDING.
SO WE SPEND ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE HALF OF THE WAYFINDING AND THE ARCADIA MASTER PLAN WAS ON OUR ORIGINAL LIST.
THINK IT STILL QUALIFIES, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE ARE.
UM, SO HERE'S, HERE'S JUST KIND OF WANT TO WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT.
THERE WERE SOME CLARIFICATION'S AND YOU GUYS, I'M SURE YOU HEARD ABOUT, THERE WAS AN ELECTION EARLY ON.
IF YOU GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CALCULATION, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT.
WE HAD SOME IN OUR TOURISM AREA, BUT OVERALL WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE DID NOT HAVE A REVENUE LOSS WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THEIR FORMULA, BUT YOU CAN ELECT TO, UH, DESIGNATE $10 MILLION.
SO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST SAYS, OKAY, WE'LL JUST ASSUME YOU HAD REVENUE LOSS OF 10 MILLION.
AND IF YOU DO THAT, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT.
AND ONE OF THOSE IN THIS IS REALLY BRIEF.
SO WE'D HAVE TO, IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS WE'D REALLY HAVE TO LOOK INTO, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO SPEND IT ON THEN, BUT ROADS CAN, ARE CONSIDERED PART OF THAT.
SO SERIOUSLY, LIKE YOU COULD SPEND, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO SPEND 10 MILLION.
YOU DON'T GET TO PICK LIKE 2 MILLION.
AND I THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AT LEAST.
AND THE OTHER THING IS I COULD JUST CAUTIOUSLY, I'M SORRY.
I SAID, I THINK WE COULD FIND A LOAN 10 MILLION.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THING, LIKE SOME OF THIS CLARIFICATION, LIKE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO CHANGE YOUR DIRECTION AT ALL, WE HAVEN'T SPENT VERY MUCH, BUT YOU REALLY COULD.
YOU COULD ADDRESS JUST ONE THING.
AND THE THING ABOUT THIS ARPA CLARIFICATION, THEY'VE JUST OVER AND OVER.
IF YOU READ IN THE VERY BEGINNING, IT'S ALWAYS GOES BACK TO WHAT WAS YOUR HARM? HOW ARE YOU IMPROVING YOUR HARM FROM THESE FUNDS? AND YOU KNOW, WHAT COMMUNITIES, HOW ARE YOU RECOVERING FROM COVID IT ALWAYS GOES BACK, WHICH IT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, AS A COVID BILL.
SO, UM, SO ANYWAY, I JUST KINDA WANNA THROW THAT OUT THAT'S WAY TO THE ADDRESS STREETS.
I THINK BECAUSE EVERY TIME LET'S SEE WE'VE DONE OUR THIRD SUBMISSION, IT'S DUE EVERY QUARTER, THE NEXT ONE WILL BE DUE THE END OF JULY.
EVERY TIME I'VE GONE IN THERE, IT HAS GIVEN ME THAT OPTION TO CHECK THAT 10 MILLION, BUT I HAVEN'T, I'VE ALWAYS CHECKED.
SO NOW THAT'S NOT TO SAY I DON'T GET MY NEXT SUBMISSION IS NOT THERE ANYMORE.
IT'S IT'S BEEN, THAT'S CHANGED.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT.
IF WE DO, IF WE DO CHECK THAT WE COULD SPEND IT ALL ON STREETS AND ROAD ROAD, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND REPAIR.
SO THE SECOND THING IS THAT THE ECONOMIC IS THIS THE ONE THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE WORK JOBS.
SO ANOTHER RESPONSE IS A PUBLIC HEALTH AND ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND SO THE RESPOND TO THE COVID-19 HEALTH, PUBLIC HEALTH OR ECONOMIC
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IMPACT AND DESIGN PROGRAM TO RESPOND TO THE IMPACT CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT SUPPORT AN ELIGIBLE COVID-19 RESPONSE.AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS BEEN THROWN IN THERE SPECIFICALLY AS LIKE KIND OF A, ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, HEY, IT'S DEFINED.
IF YOU CAN PROVIDE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT, IT FITS FITS IN THIS BUCKET INTO THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESPONSE.
AND A LOT OF THE VERBIAGE IN THIS IS VERY IT'S DIRECTED BACK TO DIRECTLY IMPACTING UNDERSERVED, UH, PORTIONS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO IT TALKS A LOT ABOUT CHILDCARE HEALTH CARE FACILITIES.
IT GETS INTO ACTUALLY, YOU CAN BUILD A SCHOOL LIKE YOU CAN DO ALL THAT IT'S EDUCATION, FOOD, RENT, MORTGAGES, UTILITIES, ANYTHING TO HELP THE UNDERSERVED THAT WERE REALLY IMPACTED BY THE COVID-19 AND AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FALLS RIGHT IN THERE AND MENTAL HEALTH.
THAT'S THAT IS WHERE THAT WOULD HALL FALL TO.
CAUSE I THINK LIKE THE THINGS THAT WE SET ASIDE FOR MENTAL HEALTH STILL QUALIFY AND IT'S BEST ISRAELI AS ONE OF THE CLEAR, CLEAR BUCKETS.
LIKE IF YOU'RE SERVING ANYBODY THAT WAS HARMED, THAT WAS UNDER, YOU KNOW, SERVED BEGINNING IN THE BEGINNING, THEY, THEY ALSO DEFINE AN IMPACTED COMMUNITY VERSUS A DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED COMMUNITY.
AND SO THOSE ALL PLAY INTO IT.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE FORMULAS AND HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DETERMINE THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH INCOME LEVEL.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CENSUS TRACK, WHICH IS OUR, BASICALLY OUR TIF DISTRICT, AT LEAST ONE OF THEM.
I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE TOO, BUT THOSE TEND TO QUALIFY.
BUT, UM, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JANE A LOT AND CHRISSY ON THIS TOO, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITIONS.
WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING.
IF WE WANT TO CONSIDER SOMETHING, A DISPROPORTIONATE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT TO SEE DOES STEVENSON PARK THAT FALLS IN OUR TIF, THAT'S IN A CENSUS TRACK, IS IT TRULY DISPROPORTIONATE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ALL THE DETAILS, ALL THAT LAW, WHICH YOU HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH, BUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THEN PREMIUM PAY IS ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN IN THERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST, THERE'S THERE ARE MORE THERE'S CLARIFICATION THAT YOU TRULY CAN RESTORE IN SUPPORT GOVERNMENT EMPLOYMENT, HIRING ABOUT PRE PANDEMIC BASELINE THAT WASN'T AVAILABLE BEFORE.
LIKE YOU COULD JUST GET BACK UP TO YOUR BASELINE.
SO IF YOU LOST EMPLOYEES DUE TO THE PANDEMIC, YOU COULD GET BACK UP.
WELL, NOW THEY SAY YOU CAN GO ABOVE THAT.
SO IF WE LOST THEM TO CHICK-FIL-A, WE CAN YEAH.
AND S AND, UH, RETENTION INCENTIVES THAT WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY REALLY DEFINED CLEARLY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING WITH OUR, OUR PAYROLL, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF ALREADY DOING SOME OF THAT ANYWAY.
AND THEN THE VERY, VERY, VERY CLEAR THING ALWAYS HAS BEEN WATER AND SEWER AND BROADBAND.
BROADBAND'S NOT, IT WAS DEFINED A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT QUALIFIES FOR THE DRINKING WATER STATE REVOLVING FUND OR THE CLEAN WATER STATE REVOLVING FUND RULES QUALIFIES FOR THIS.
SO, UH, LED RE MEDIC REMEDIATION WAS KIND OF ADDED AS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, CLARIFICATION, BUT I MEAN, SO LIKE RIGHT THERE, AND NOT THAT WE WOULD DO IT, BUT YOU COULD SPEND 12 MILLION EASILY JUST ON, JUST ON WATER AND SEWER AND THE BROADBAND.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAD SOMEBODY BROUGHT, BRING THIS UP AND WE'LL TALK MORE AT ANOTHER, UM, WORKSHOP.
AND SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE TOWER AT UCO THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE.
AND IT ALL TYPES OF GOVERNMENT ENTITIES ACTUALLY USE THAT AS A, AS A POINT OF COMMUNICATION.
BUT EVERY TIME YOU READ THIS STUFF, IT REALLY DOES GET BACK TO THE UNDERSERVED.
AND IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE INTERNET, THAT QUALIFIES, BUT IT WAS EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT TOO.
SO I KIND OF JUST WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT TO YOU.
ONE REASON THAT, AND WE DON'T THINK THE INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX, UH, APPLIES OR IS APPLICABLE ANYMORE ELIGIBLE IS BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY EXPANDED, LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN ORDER, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
AND IT TRULY IS THE LAST TIME I GOT IN AND SUBMITTED, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ASKING WHAT WAS YOUR HARM? AND THEN HOW IS THIS RECTIFYING THAT, SO WE JUST NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT DESCRIPTION OF HARM OR NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND WHY THE HARM WAS EXASPERATED OR CAUSED BY THE PANDEMIC.
THAT'S THE ONE THING WE HAVE TO SUBMIT EXPLANATION OF WHY A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE IS APPROPRIATE.
SO WHY YOUR EXISTING EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES WOULD BE INADEQUATE.
IT'S JUST A WHOLE NOTHER REALM OF EXPLANATION AND COMPARISON.
THIS IS KIND OF THE ONE THAT'S LIKE, WOW, OKAY.
COMPARISON OF TWO OF PROPOSED CAPITAL PROJECTS AGAINST AT LEAST TWO ALTERNATIVE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND DEMONSTRATION OF WHY THE PROPOSED CAPITAL EXPENDITURE IS SUPERIOR.
SO THE ONE WE'RE WANTING TO PAY FOR,
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SO ADDRESS THE HARM IDENTIFIED AND EXPECTED TOTAL COST AGAINST AT LEAST TWO ALTERNATIVE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES.SO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT INDOOR COMPLEX INDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX, IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, WELL, HOW DID, HOW DID I COMPARE THAT TO TWO OTHER ALTERNATIVES? AND WHY IS IT SUPERIOR AND HOW, HOW AM I ADDRESSING THE HARM? IT JUST GETS REAL COMPLICATED WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MUCH CLEARER, YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS, I CAN'T HELP, BUT THINK OF IT THOUGH, IN THE SPORTS COMPLEX, BEING, NOT IN THE, NOT AS A NEED FOR, UM, BASKETBALL OR VOLLEYBALL, BUT A BUT SOMETHING THAT IS MISSING AND ECONOMIC IMPACT AND TOURISM.
AND TOURISM HAS HIS OWN ITS OWN LITTLE DEFINITION.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.
HERE'S WHERE IT KIND OF FALLS OUT BECAUSE I SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED WAS INELIGIBLE.
SO THAT'S, I THINK REALLY WAS, THAT WAS THE MAIN, THE STAMP ON IT.
BUT SO, SO TOURISM, YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN KIND OF DEFINITELY SPORTS INCOME COMPLEX WOULD HAVE HELPED THAT, BUT, UM, CAPITAL EXPENDITURES SPECIFICALLY, THEY MUST BE RELATED AND REASONABLY PROPORTIONAL AGAIN TO THE PANDEMIC IMPACT IDENTIFIED AND REASONABLY DESIGNATED TO BENEFIT THE IMPACTED POPULATION.
SO YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON.
I GOT TO IDENTIFY, WELL, WHAT POPULATION AND WHY WERE THEY UNDERSERVED? WHAT WAS THEIR HARM? AND THEN HOW ARE WE, HOW IS THIS IMPROVING IT? UM, ELIGIBLE COUNT CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
SO PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING, PUBLIC HEALTH ASSISTANCE TO HOUSEHOLDS, WHEREAS, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FALLS INTO.
UM, AND THERE'S JUST A WHOLE LIST OF THAT TYPE OF THING.
IT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOU THINK OF, UM, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE WHO CAN'T PAY THEIR RENT, OR DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON IF, IF, UH, Y YMCA CONTAINED CHILDCARE, WOULD THAT BE, WOULD THAT BE THROWN INTO OTHER LARGE CAPITAL? I DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT'S SURELY LEFT EXEMPTED CHILDCARE IN EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT IS SPECIFICALLY NAMED LIKE, YES, THAT QUALIFIES.
AND SO I THINK YOU, ONCE AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT LIKE, OH, WHAT'S THE COST? ARE WE CONSIDERING A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT? ARE WE ADDING IT ON? WE CAN KEEP IT UNDER A MILLION.
YOU DON'T HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL, OR HOW MUCH OF OUR PERCENTAGE OF THE ARPA THAT YOU COULD DO TOWARDS THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDCARE.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO SPIN A LITTLE MORE HONESTLY, ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
SO IF YOU GET OVER A DOLLAR THRESHOLD, THERE'S LIKE THIS WHOLE TABLE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
AND IF IT'S A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE EXPENDITURE, THIS IS WHERE THAT KIND OF CAME INTO BECAUSE, UM, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE MAKING A NEW FACILITY JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THIS GROUP MIXING WITH THIS GROUP.
AND THEY SPREAD COVID LIKE THAT.
DOESN'T SO A CONGREGATE FACILITY TO DECREASE THE SPREAD OF THE SPREAD OF COVID IN THE FACILITY.
THEY'RE LIKE, OH, SO SOMEONE MUST'VE BEEN ABLE WANTING TO DO THAT, I GUESS, OH, WELL, WE NEED TO BUILD A NEW CITY HALL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM SITTING WITH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT ANYWAY, BUT THEY DEFINITELY SAID THAT THESE THINGS ARE INELIGIBLE.
SO CONVENTION CENTERS, STADIUMS, OR OTHER LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS INTENDED FOR GENERAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR TO AID IMPACT AND INDUSTRIES, WELL, TOURISM WAS AN IMPACT IN INDUSTRY.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY ACTUALLY SAID, OH, YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD IT TO AID ANY OF YOUR IMPACTED OVER YOUR IMPACT, THE INDUSTRIES.
SO ANYWHERE IN THERE THAT YOU SAW LIBRARY AS EDUCATION.
I THINK THAT'S, I HAVE NOT, I WOULD NEED TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY CAUSE IT'S LIKE 500 PAGES LONG, BUT YOU CAN FIND IT LIKE, IF YOU CAN FIND, IF YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR LIBRARY AND WE WANT TO TRY AND FIND IT, WE CAN FIND IT.
UM, TO ME, THAT'S PROBABLY, TO ME, IT'S GOING TO BE OVER A MILLION.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY, WELL, WHERE ARE OTHER FACILITIES AND WHY DIDN'T, WHY ARE THOSE NOT ADEQUATE IN WHAT POPULATION ARE YOU'RE SERVING WELL OF OUR LIBRARIES OVER ON
IT'S NOT THAT WE COULDN'T JUSTIFY SOME OF THAT STUFF.
IT'S JUST, IT GETS A LOT HARDER.
AND SO DO WE THINK ABOUT MAYBE DOING THINGS THAT ARE CLEAR AND THEN THAT DIVERTS FUNDS, YOU KNOW? YES.
SO THAT'S WHAT OUR WORKSHOP WILL BE, IS JUST KIND OF, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW ANDY PROBABLY WILL, SCOTT, WE'LL TRY TO GET WITH YOU JUST TO GET YOUR IDEAS, LIKE WHAT HE WANTS TO LOOK INTO, WHAT, UM, AND WE'LL EITHER BE ABLE TO PROVE IT OR NOT.
AND I JUST, I JUST KNOW FROM SUBMITTING THAT STUFF, IT'S LIKE, WOW, THEY ARE WANTING SOME, SOME HIGH DETAIL AND I'VE TALKED TO CHRISTIE OR USED AS HER CHRISTIE QUITE A BIT.
AND SERIOUSLY ON THESE FEDERAL GRANTS, IT'S LIKE VERY, VERY LIKELY WE'LL GET AUDITED.
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JUST IT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND THERE'S A LOT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM BEING SPECIFIC.I DON'T THINK, AND I, AND I WOULDN'T EVEN TRY AND GO, OH, MAYBE THIS ONE CAN PASS.
NO SHOOT, NO, WE GOT PLENTY OF MONEY OVER THERE.
WHY HAVE TO GET AUDITED AND THEN HAVE TO PAY, RIGHT? OH NO.
AND THE OTHER THING LIKE SPECIFICALLY JOSH, LIKE, SO IF YOU'RE THINKING LIKE LIBRARY AND EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT, WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE DEFINING IT.
THIS IS WHY THEY'RE NOT ADEQUATE.
THIS IS THE POPULATION WE'RE SERVING.
I JUST REALLY WOULD LIKE TO JUSTIFY IT PRIOR TO YEAH.
I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE INTERESTING IN THAT EXERCISE IS, IS IT, CAN WE ONLY LOOK AT THE 10 MILLION LUMPS ON, BECAUSE OTHERS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND ENOUGH OTHERS THAT, THAT DO THAT OR, I MEAN, IS THERE, ARE THERE SCENARIOS THAT COME INTO PLAY? AND THE THING ABOUT THAT 10 MILLION, IT'S JUST LIKE, SINCE WE ONLY HAVE 12, IF I HAVE, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU'RE BASICALLY CHANGING YOUR CHARACTER OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND IT ON THAT, BECAUSE IT DOES SAY THAT IS TO REPLACE GOVERNMENT SERVICES.
AND SO ONCE AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT ALL IS THAT, BUT ROADS AND ROAD CONSTRUCTION AND REPAIR IS CONSIDERED A GOVERNMENT SERVICE.
SO I THINK IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU PROBABLY WOULD NEED TO THINK, OKAY, WELL THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA, WE'RE JUST, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH OUR MONEY, YOU KNOW? AND MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AT ALL.
SO WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T PICK IT.
IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO DO SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, BUT IF WE, IF WE DID THAT, THEN IT CREATES A DIFFERENT PICTURE FOR CIP.
AND SO THAT THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING IN THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO TRY AND ADDRESS IT TODAY.
CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN JUNE WITH A WORKSHOP TO, WE'RE GOING TO BRING SOME IDEAS IN BETWEEN ALL TALK TO EACH ONE OF YOU.
IF YOU HAVE IDEAS THAT YOU WANT US TO EXPLORE AND WE CAN COME BACK AND HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION.
IT'S LIKE, IF I MOVE 2 MILLION OUT OF HERE, DOES IT FREE 2 MILLION UP OVER CIP? HEY, IF WE WANT TO ACCELERATE SOMETHING ON YOUR PARKS LIST AND IT'S GOING TO SERVE A CERTAIN AREA, HEY, WE COULD DO THAT.
INSTEAD OF TAXING OUR PARK PARK TAX, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RISING COSTS OF PROJECTS, WE CAN OFFSET ONE BY USING ARPA ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME NUMBER OF PROJECTS.
WE'RE JUST NOW DIVERSIFYING OUR FUNDING SOURCE.
AND THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO DO IT, WHICH WE'LL HAVE READY FOR YOU WHEN WE DO THE WORKSHOP, DARRYL HAS SUGGESTED SEVERAL QUITE A WHILE AGO, HAVE A BACKWARDS CALENDAR.
WHEN DO WE HAVE TO START THIS TO GET IT SPANISH IN TIME? CAUSE WE'RE GETTING IN AFTER 22 THOUGH, OR WE HAVE THIS, WE HAVE TO HAVE IT DESIGNATED BY 12 30, 1 24 AND SPENT BY 26, BUT WE'LL GET IT, GET OUR GOOD LISTS.
AND WE'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HONESTLY WE COULD, IF WE COULD IDENTIFY REALLY, TRULY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
AND ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS KIND OF MORE CONTAINED IN A CERTAIN, LET'S JUST SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING FOR HOUSING.
YOU COULD GET IT STARTED AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IT.
HAVEN'T BEEN IN PLENTY OF TIME.
CAUSE THEN WE ALSO LOSE IT IF WE DON'T SPEND IT BY THAT.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A FUN DAY, IT'S A QUARTER TIL 12.
LIKE I KNOW WE TRY TO, WE'RE STARTING TO BUDGET SAVINGS ARE REALLY LIKE, AND YOU GUYS OUT EARLY, WE GOT TO GET THE REST OF THIS CREW BACK, WHATEVER WORK WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE YET.
I HAVE ONE THING TO MENTION THAT HASN'T COME UP YET.
AND I'M, AND I'M EX THERE'S A, THERE'S A THEME IN SEVERAL OF OUR PROJECTS TODAY.
UH, AND IT'S TECHNOLOGY AND EFFICIENCY AND WE'VE GOT, LET'S SEE IF I CAN THINK OF WHAT HAS CROSSED MY MIND, SMART METERS.
UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS A NEW BUILDING PERMIT AND YOU KNOW, THE SOFTWARE WHERE IT'S A LOT MORE THINGS ONLINE, UH, W WE'RE PUSHING FOR ARCADIA LAKE AND THE ONLINE CAMPING REGISTRATIONS.
AND, AND I THINK WITH MY EXPERIENCE WITH TECHNOLOGY ENTERING IN, UH, THE PROCESS LIKE THAT, IT, IT CAN SPEED UP DOLLARS AND, AND ALSO, UH, MAKE, UH, OVERHEAD MORE EFFICIENT.
AND I THINK, I THINK WE'LL SEE THAT MOVING ALONG, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF A THEME THAT I THINK A NEW THEME THIS YEAR, THAT WE'VE GOT SEVERAL TECHNOLOGY RELATED ITEMS THAT I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE HOW THOSE, HOW THOSE PAY OFF.
OH, ONE THAT I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU THAT OFTEN DOESN'T GET A LOT OF ATTENTION AND KIND OF NOBODY GETS TRULY EXCITED, EXCEPT IF YOU'RE KATHY AND A FEW OF US, OTHERS IS WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT FINANCIAL PLATFORMS IN THE CITY.
SO OUR XL, SO OMAR, I WANT TO SAY BASIC, BUT YOU KNOW, VERY DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF THEM.
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A CALL IN BETWEEN MANUAL OPERATIONS AND THAT JUST HIGHLIGHTS CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR HUMAN ERROR.IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS IS, OR A FINANCIAL PLATFORM THAT CAN WORK ACROSS DEPARTMENTS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BETTER CLEAR VIEW INTO THE ORGANIZATION.
SO IF YOU SAID, HEY, CAN YOU RUN US REPORT ON X, Y, Z.
THAT'S KIND OF COMMUNICATE WITH THIS ONE OVER HERE.
NOW WE'VE GOT TO DO A WORKAROUND.
SO IT'S, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S AN, IT'S A UNSEXY ONE, EXCEPT FOR A FEW OF US TO SAY, OH, THAT'S REALLY SEXY BECAUSE NOW I CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ORGANIZATION AND HOW WE'RE DOING INTERFUND TRANSFERS AND HOW CIP HAS WORKED FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THEM WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR IS SOME TYPE OF A UNIFORM FINANCIAL PLATFORM THAT IF YOU SAY IT'S A DOLLAR TO DOLLAR ON MY SIDE AS WELL.
RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, I REMEMBER THE CONTRACT FOR THE ONLINE BUILDING PERMITS AND, AND THAT, THAT SOFTWARE WAS, IT WAS $950,000 AND WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO THE COMMUNITY AND STAFF AND THAT WE'RE INVESTING, WE'RE INVESTING IN THESE THINGS TO, TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT, UM, AND MAKE THINGS MORE EFFICIENT IF 12 OR 13 MILLION FOR THE SMART METER PROGRAM.
AND WHAT IS THE, WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF THAT? AND WE'RE INVESTING IN THAT TOO IN SOME WAY THAT MONEY, THAT MONEY AND MORE IS GOING TO COME BACK IN SOME WAY.
SO, UM, IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S SOMETHING NEW.
IT MUST BE ONE THING I NOTICED THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS.
WE HAD THE COUNTY, UH, PRESENTED AN OPTION REGARDING THE COLA, UH, OPTION ONE WAS THE TWO AND THEN THE ONE.
AND THE OTHER OPTION WAS THREE AT THE BEGINNING.
SO I TAKE, IF WE COULD HAVE SOME DIRECTION AS TO WANT US TO DO THE TWO TO ONE, WHICH IS WHAT WE PRESENTED NOW, AS OPPOSED TO DOING THE THREE AT THE BEGINNING, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
MAYBE I'M WRONG ON THE ONE I'M TALKING TO THE BUDGET MEETING, BUT THAT'S A SAMPLE AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, AND I'VE GOT THE BUDGET BOOK DONE THE WAY WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT TODAY, BUT IF WE WANT TO, WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS. SO HOW DO YOU GUYS WANT TO ADDRESS IT? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING? DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF MEET, YOU KNOW, JUST SEND US OR YOUR IDEAS AND WE HAVE FEEDBACK THAT WAY? WELL, THERE WERE A FEW UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, JUST, IT'S NOT SO MUCH ON THE OUTER YEARS, IT'S REALLY JUST LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR.
AND, UM, REALLY, I THINK MY BIGGEST QUESTIONS WOULD BE LIKE, WHAT'S OUR COST OF LIVING? WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT TO DO? WHAT DO WE WANT? OUR FUND BALANCE ARE OUR UNRESTRICTED FUND MOUNTS AND GENERAL FUND TO BE, WE CAN HAVE IT BE WHATEVER WE WANT IT TO BE, BUT, UM, IF WE WANT IT TO, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE WANT IT TO BE 10% OR WE WANT IT TO BE 12 MILLION OR WHATEVER, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? AND THAT LEADS INTO SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, LIKE, OKAY, WELL, ARE WE GOING TO BORROW, ARE WE GOING TO PAY BACK? YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WHAT'S, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE ON HOW TO WE WERE HAVING, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 10% RESERVE WAS THAT STAFF WAS GOING TO COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THE WHOLE CALENDAR, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR BUDGET FINISHED WINDED.
WHEN DO WE HAVE TO MAKE YOU, HAVE, YOU HAVE TO, YOU WILL ADOPT THE BUDGET AT JUNE 13TH MEETING.
IT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE THE 15TH, 15 DAYS PRIOR TO THE END OF THE YEAR, FISCAL YEAR.
SO IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT.
UM, I MEAN, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PROCESS, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CHANGE, WE CAN CHANGE.
I CAN, UM, UH, WE CAN, I MEAN, I COULD COME UP IF YOU LIKE, EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO TELL ME TODAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR FUND BALANCE TO BE? I CAN COME UP WITH SOME OPTIONS ON HOW WE DO THAT.
OR YOU COULD SAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET AS IT IS THIS YEAR.
BUT OUR GOAL FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS TO BUILD IN A BASIS OF 10% OR, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE COME BACK WITH THE ADDITIONAL RESEARCH WE HAVE, WE COULD HAVE A POLICY DISCUSSION, THE COUNCIL, I WAS LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR COMFORT LEVEL? DO YOU WANT TO SET THIS AS A GOAL FOR MOVING FORWARD? VERSUS I'M JUST LITTLE CAUTIOUS RIGHT NOW AT THE LAST MINUTE TO SAY, HEY, LET'S GO FIND AN ADDITIONAL $7 MILLION.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE OR VERSUS US COMING BACK WITH MAYBE SOME OF OUR CONSULTANTS OR MAYBE IN OUR BOND COUNSEL TO SAY, HERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WHY? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING FUTURE BOND ISSUANCES, HERE'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TO LOOK, LOOK STRONG.
SO WHEN YOU GO GET YOUR BOND RATING, YOU KNOW, JESSICA, WHY WE PUT THESE FUN BALANCED
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LEVELS IN VERSUS JUST ARBITRARILY SAYING, I WANT TO DO, YEAH, THAT'S MY ANSWER.WHAT DOES IT, WHAT DOES IT NEED TO BE TO, TO, WE CAN USE LEVERAGE THAT THE MOST, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT COMES FROM WAR.
AS IF DOWN THE ROAD, WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS OUR FINANCIAL PLATFORM.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT ARE THE PROTECTIONS GUARD, RAILS WE'RE PUTTING UP.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 10% FUND BALANCE, NOT JUST IN GENERAL FUND, BUT THESE OTHER PARAMETERS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT TRANSFERS FROM CERTAIN AREAS TO CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE FUTURE EXPENDITURES FOR LIKE A WATER TREATMENT PLANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE TRUST AS WELL AS OUR FUTURE BOND HOLDERS OR FUTURE SALES TAX DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE.
THE PROPER PROTECTION IS A SHOW WHERE BEING GOOD FIDUCIARY MANAGERS OF THEIR FUNDS, WHAT MAKES US LOOK THE MOST ATTRACTIVE, UM, FOR, TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THAT'S RELATIVE, I THINK, BUT FOR COMMUNITY TRUST AND SECURITY, BUT ALSO FINANCIALLY, UM, FOR, FOR BONDS OR, OR BET OR WHATEVER THAT IS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD LOOK AT IT.
I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS BROUGHT UP A COMPLAINT.
DO YOU WANT A TWO AND ONE OR A 3%? THAT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION AND ANSWER FROM YOU GUYS.
IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE INTERNAL DISCUSSION AND GET BACK WITH US, WE CAN MAKE THE APPROPRIATE, OR IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE US DIRECTION TODAY, THE OTHER ONE IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT PAYBACK OF THE TUTTLE BUILDING.
BECAUSE IF YOU SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THAT OUT OVER SEVERAL YEARS, THAT WOULD ADJUST OUR GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
HEY, IF YOU SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY IT BACK, OKAY.
THAT IMMEDIATELY GETS YOU TO THE 10% FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PAYING BACK $7 MILLION.
IT'S NOT IN THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU WANT TO DOWN THE ROAD, SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY IT BACK BECAUSE THERE'S A, WHATEVER THE DECISION IS, WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT THE CORE KEY DISCUSSION TODAY THAT WE NEED A DECISION ON WHETHER TODAY OR BETWEEN NOW AND THE 13TH IS COLA DISCUSSION IS THE KEY ONE.
UM, AND, AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT I, YOU KNOW, MY RATIONALE FOR THE TWO TO ONE IS SEEING, YOU KNOW, WHAT CPI IS TODAY IN THE COST OF LIVING, YOU KNOW, IT MAY SLOW DOWN OR IT MAY CONTINUE TO ACCELERATE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SAY, HOLD OFF UNTIL JANUARY TO SEE THE, JUST 1%, HOWEVER, IF COUNSEL SAYS, HEY, THE CHALLENGE IS WE, IT'S A TOUGH LABOR MARKET.
GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD FOR 3%.
THAT'S WE CAN BUILD THAT IN AS WELL.
YOU MAY HAVE PICKED UP ON, BUT IF WE DID THAT ADDITIONAL HALF PERCENT, LIKE FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, IT'S ABOUT 220,000.
IT'S NOT LIKE, WELL, I, I MEAN, WITH THE PERCENTAGE OF TURNOVER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE IN, WE NEED TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT WE NEED TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT WE, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING WITH THAT THREE RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT WE WANT.
IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO FIND PEOPLE, KEEP THEM.
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH LISA HR.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE A HOT INTERNAL PROCESSES.
ONCE YOU GET THE PERSON IN THERE, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO KEEP A PERSON INTERNAL.
WHEN I SAY ENTER INTO A COMMUNICATION, VERSUS THEY LEAVE, WE HAVE TO GO BACK OUT RECRUITMENT.
SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK INTERNALLY AT OUR PROCESSES AND THAT'S THE MANAGEMENT TEAM'S GOING TO LOOK AT.
IS, ARE THERE INTERNAL PROCESS TO SAY, CAN THEY MOVE UP? YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN SOME ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, 20 PLUS YEARS AGO WHERE THEY SAID, THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE UP IS IF COUNCILOR AND BUG DIES OR LEAVES, THAT WAS THE REALITY IS WE ONLY HAVE THAT POSITION, BUT PEOPLE STAYED IN ORGANIZATIONS FOR 30 YEARS.
THAT'S NOT THE IDEA TODAY IS OKAY, THEY'RE IN, THEY MAY BE IN UTILITIES TODAY, BUT WE MAY LOOK AT, HEY, HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF MOVING TO FIRE OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER, HERE'S THE PATH CONTINUE TO MOVE UP THE ORGANIZATION.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT IS NOT JUST THE DOLLAR, BUT WHERE'S MY CAREER POTENTIAL WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS.
YOU MAY COME IN AS A SEASONAL WORKER, HOW CAN I GET YOU TO BE A FULL-TIME WORKER? HOW CAN YOU BE MOVED FROM PARKS, MAYBE INTO THIS OTHER OPPORTUNITY? AND WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS WE MAY BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT CITY MANAGER, DEPARTMENT MANAGER.
CAUSE THEY, AND THE BENEFIT TO THAT IS THEY HAVE A WIDE BASIS OF, OF BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE TO BE A GENERAL MANAGER TYPE OF THING, VERSUS JUST THE, THIS PATIENT USED TO BE.
SO WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THAT AS THEN, AS WELL AS OUR BENEFIT PACKAGES, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK HARD.
IS THERE ARE SOME THAT LOOK AT THE DOLLAR, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO SHOW THAT NOT ONLY IS IT A DOLLAR FIGURE, BUT HERE'S OUR BENEFIT PACKAGE BECAUSE
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PEOPLE DO LOOK AT THAT WELL, AND IT'S EXPENSIVE TO TRAIN PEOPLE.SO EVERY TIME SOMEONE LEAVES, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE BURDEN OF FINDING SOMEONE, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY AND TIME TO TRAIN THEM.
SO CAN I BRING UP, I SEE RANDALL RANDALL'S HERE AND, AND KRISTEN AND I ARE ON THE PARK DRESSED.
AND SO DO WE NEED TO, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, AN WORKSHOP SOMETIME SOON TO KIND OF HAVE A, A GOOD CONVERSATION AROUND THAT, THAT PLAN AND EVERYTHING.
BUT WE DO HAVE SUBMITTED, UM, THE CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR PUBLIC ART, FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS, PUBLIC ART FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE ART DEPARTMENT AND THE ART LIAISON DEPARTMENT.
DO WE NEED TO, DO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IT'S IN THERE TODAY? I THINK THE WORKSHOP WE'LL TALK MORE.
LONG-TERM WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE, YEAH.
JUST MAKING SURE IF YOU NEED ANY INFORMATION TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO FIND A DATE THAT WORKS HERE IN JUNE TO COME BACK TO THAT.
WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A LARGER DISCUSSION, BUT WE'VE BUILT IN WITH THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION OF THIS.
ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN, FOR THE RECORD, I SUPPORT THE 3% IMMEDIATELY TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
I THINK WE'VE GOT TO USE, YOU KNOW, THE 85 DIFFERENT TOOLS FOR RETENTION AND ATTRACTION OF TALENT AND THAT'S ONE OF THEM, SO, OKAY.
SO FOR CLARITY, I WILL CHANGE THE BUDGET AND MOVE IT TO 3% FOR THE YEAR.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE RIGHT NOW.
WELL THAT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, WE CAN CONCLUDE THIS MEETING.
THEN BOX LUNCHES ARE IN THE HALLWAY, RIGHT? GAVE YOU THREE HOURS BACK IN YOUR LIFE.