Nov 22, 2022 Planning Commission

MR. ENS.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY PLANNER FROM THE COMMISSION? APPLICANT? HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND MR. N'S EXPLANATION? WE'RE ON D ACTUALLY, I BE A LITTLE ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? PUBLIC COMMENT FIVE.

A PUBLIC COMMENT, FIVE A.

COMMISSION GEORGE WINTERS.

IF YOU COULD STEP UP HERE AND KINDLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SPEAK UP? YES.

GEORGE WINTERS LIVE AT 2224 REVEL ROAD IN EDMOND, OKLAHOMA.

UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS WITH THIS, UH, PROPOSAL.

PART OF IT IS, IS IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

WE'RE ALSO WITH THAT WE'RE REDUCING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE, THE AREA.

UH, THE CITY HAS CONSTRUCTED PARKING ON CAMPBELL.

UH, SO WE'RE CONCERNED WITH, WITH THAT IF THAT GOES OVER TO A, A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOSING PARKING IN OUR AREA.

UH, ALSO CONCERNED WITH CLOSING THE ALLEY.

IT BLOCKS A TRUE OF FAIR TO THE RAILROAD STATION OR TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED WITH THE, THE LACK OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH THERE.

NOW IF THERE'S, IF THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP THAT AS PARKING AND RIGHT AWAY WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO IT, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

BUT JUST TO SAY THAT WE'VE TURNED THIS LAND OVER TO A DEVELOPER WITHOUT PUBLIC ACCESS TO PARKING AND, AND THOSE FACILITIES, UH, THAT BRINGS UP A, A CONCERN FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN AREA, AND ANYTIME WE REDUCE OUR PARKING, POTENTIALLY REDUCING OUR PARKING IN THAT AREA IS A CONCERN FOR IT.

UM, AND THIS IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF LAND THAT WE'RE CLOSING OFF TO PUBLIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'RE NOT SURE HOW THAT ALL PROCESS WORKS.

ARE THERE OTHERS, FIVE A MR. NCE OR THE APPLICANT, HAVE ANY, CAN YOU ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS OF MR. WINTERS? AND IF YOU WOULD PULL THAT MICROPHONE TO YOU AND YES, SIR.

PERVY PATEL WITH

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WALLACE DESIGN COLLECTIVE.

IN CLOSING OF THIS PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE WILL BE PROVIDING PARKING AND BE DOING A CROSS ACCESS PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AS WELL AS THE UTILITIES.

THE PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT WILL REMAIN.

WE ARE LOOPING THE UTILITIES THROUGH OUR SITE PLAN SO THAT WE'LL ALL REMAIN IN A PUBLIC UTILITY SYSTEM.

THERE ARE QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT OR FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, MISS.

MR. ANTS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND THAT? NO, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT BOTH THE RIGHT OF WAY'S BEING CLOSED, ACTUALLY DEAD END INTO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THEY DON'T REALLY PROVIDE ACCESS ANY FURTHER.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY TAKING AWAY, UH, CROSS ACCESS FROM ANYONE ELSE.

IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS BOTH SIDES OF EACH RIGHT OF WAY.

ARE THERE, UH, COMMISSION COMMENTS? FIVE A SCENE? NONE.

IS THERE A MO MOTION AND A SECOND? ONE MORE, SIR.

I CLOSED THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT GO AHEAD.

WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND PENDING, BUT IF YOU WANT, GO AHEAD.

MY NAME IS CARRO SHARA.

I, UH, RESIDE AT 5 0 4 NORTH BOULEVARD.

UM, OUR, UM, COMPANY OWNS, UH, TWO OF THE LOTS HERE ALONG THIS ALLEYWAY, AND SO WE'RE AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.

UM, CLOSING THE ALLEYWAY, FIRST OF ALL, IS GONNA BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ACCESS THAT, UH, WE HAVE TO OUR PROPERTY.

UM, DELIVERIES ARE GONNA HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME COMING DOWN INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL GO HERE.

UM, THE PARKING ALONG CAMPBELL STREET WAS INITIALLY, UH, PUT IN BY THE CITY USING TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

AND TO TAKE THESE AMENITIES AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE, I BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THE TAXES THAT WE SPENT AND THE DOLLARS THAT WE SPENT IN PUBLIC FUNDS TO PAY FOR THESE AMENITIES.

UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORING, UH, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARK, UM, ALONG THE STREET.

UM, ON STREET PARKING HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UM, A PUBLIC AMENITY HERE IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND.

UM, FOR THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE PROPOSING THIS PROJECT, THEY CAN STILL BUILD THEIR, THEIR PROJECT AND NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC LAND AND THE PUBLIC ALLEYWAYS AND STILL HAVE, UM, ADEQUATE LAND TO DO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO.

AND, UM, ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER, UH, ISSUE IS THAT IF THIS LAND IS TO BE CLOSED AND GIVEN OVER TO THE DEVELOPERS FOR THEIR PRIVATE USE SHOULD NOT BE, UH, LAND BE GIVEN OUT TO OR LET OUT TO A PUBLIC BIDDING PROCESS, UM, SO THAT OTHER PRIVATE INVESTORS AND DEVELOPERS CAN BID ON THESE PARCELS OF LAND FOR OUR OWN DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, MY POINT IS THAT THEY SHOULD, UH, IT SHOULD BE GOING TO A COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS IF IT'S GONNA BE GIVEN OVER TO THE DEVELOPER.

ITEM FIVE B REBEL SIGN COMPANY.

UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ACT ON YOUR COMMENTS, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

ITEM FIVE A, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND PENDING ON FIVE A.

CAST YOUR VOTE PLEASE.

FIVE A'S PROOF.

FIVE NOTHING.

YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AT THAT ON DECEMBER 12TH AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

[B. Case #VA22-00020 Public Hearing and Consideration of Request for a Sign Variance for Icon Cinema, located at 1255 E Danforth Road. (Rebel Sign Company)]

I'M FIVE B VA 2220.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF REQUEST FOR ASSIGNED VARIANCE FOR ICON CINEMA LOCATED AT 1255 EAST DANFORTH ROAD.

MR. NCE, THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE FIVE B? OKAY.

APPLICANT IS SEEKING A SIGNED VARIANCE FOR A SIGN ON THE FORMER KICKING BIRD THEATER SITE.

UH, THE THEATER HAS BEEN PURCHASED AND IS BEING REMODELED.

AS A RESULT, THE NEW OWNER IS REPLACING THE SIGNS ASSOCIATED WITH THE THEATER.

ONE OF THE SIGNS WAS DENIED WHEN IT CAME IN FOR A PERMIT BECAUSE FOR BEING TOO LARGE, UH, THAT IS THE SIGN ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

THAT'S THE SIGN YOU SEE THERE IS PROPOSED AS CALCULATED UNDER THE ORDINANCE.

THE ALLOWED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGN IS 80 SQUARE FEET.

THAT IS BASED ON THE LENGTH OF THE WALL, WHICH IS 50 FEET, AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE IN THIS CASE, WHICH IS 30 FEET.

UH, THE SIGN AS PROPOSED IS 242 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THE APPLICANT'S JUSTIFICATION IS THE WAY THE BUILDING AND THE LOTS LAY OUT.

THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NEEDED FOR IT TO BE SEEN FROM DANFORTH.

I COULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. ANSWER.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER?

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SIR, IF YOU COULD STEP UP MR. WALL OR HELP, MAYBE YOU SAID IT, SORRY, AND I WAS DOZING OFF OR SOMETHING, BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT THEY CAN HAVE? SO WHAT THE ORDINANCE WILL ALLOW IS 80 SQUARE FEET.

WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS 242 SQUARE FOOT.

MY NAME IS JEFF BUREL.

I'M THE OWNER OF REBEL SIGN COMPANY.

SPELL YOUR LAST NAME, PLEASE.

B U R C H E L L.

YEP.

UM, SO THE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FRONT DOOR.

UM, WE DID GET A LETTER FROM THE KICKING BOOT BIRD PLAZA AS WELL, UM, GIVING THEM PERMISSION AND SAYING THAT IT'S NOT A NUISANCE TO THEM.

I BELIEVE THAT LETTER WAS INCLUDED WITH OUR SUBMITTAL FOR YOU GUYS.

WE'RE JUST, WE WANT TO GET THEM THE MOST VISIBLE SIGN POSSIBLE, GIVE THEM THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR SUCCESS.

THEY'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO REMODEL THE THEATER, REOPEN IT, AND PROVIDE JOBS AND OF COURSE, ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE JUST WANNA DO OUR PART AS THE PROFESSIONAL SIGN COMPANY.

AND WHOSE, WHOSE JUDGMENT SAID YOU NEEDED TO SIGN THAT BIG? WELL, THE ARCHITECT ORIGINALLY DREW IT ON THEIR PLANS THAT SIZE AND WE WERE JUST MATCHING THE SIZE AND THEY MAKE A MISTAKE WHEN THEY DID THAT, OR IS THAT THE SIGN THEY REALLY WANT? THAT'S THE SIGN THEY REALLY WANT.

UH, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

UM, THE OWNER IS HERE.

UM, MR. SNELLS, THE OWNER OF THE THEATER IS HERE AS WELL.

UM, IT, IT IS A, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ONLY GOT VISIBILITY FROM ONE DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC SO THAT WE, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE 'EM THE MOST VISIBILITY POSSIBLE.

MR. ANTS, CHRISTIE HAS THE, THE AERIAL PULLED UP NOW THAT HAS A LITTLE BETTER, IT'S KIND OF INDICATION OF WHY THEY WERE LIMITED TO 80 SQUARE FEET.

SO YOU GET A SQUARE FOOT FOR EACH LENGTH OF WALL YOU HAVE, WHICH IS 50 FEET, AND THEN YOU GET A FOOT FOR EVERY FOOT.

YOU ARE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

THE THEATER SITS ON A, A WHOLE SEPARATE PARCEL.

SO THERE'S A PROPERTY LINE RIGHT THERE, WHICH GIVES THEM ANOTHER 30 FEET.

SO THAT LIMITS THEM TO 80 FEET ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE.

IT IS UNUSUAL.

I MEAN, THANK YOU, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY.

PUBLIC COMMENT, FIVE B, PUBLIC COMMENT, FIVE B GET BET.

HI, I'M EDWIN SNELL, UH, THE OWNERS OF ICON CINEMAS.

UM, WHEN WE INITIALLY STARTED DOING THIS, THERE'S A ACTUAL SQUARED OUT FRONT WHERE THE OLD ORIGINAL KICKEN BIRD SIGN WAS, AND WE'RE GOING INSIDE OF THE ACTUAL SQUARE WHERE THE ORIGINAL SIGNS WERE.

WE JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER LETTERS AND THAT, SO IT'S NOT TAKING UP ANYTHING EXTRA FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL KIND OF SQUARED OUT THING WAS.

WE'RE JUST FILLING IN A LITTLE BETTER AND JUST MODERNIZING THE SIGN.

SO IT IS SLIGHTLY BIGGER LETTERS, BUT, UH, IF ANYONE RECALLS ON THE FRONT OF THAT, UH, WALK-IN AREA, THERE IS A BIG ALREADY SQUARE THING, AND WE'RE STILL GOING INSIDE THE ORIGINAL, UM, SQUARE WHERE THE ORIGINAL KICKEN BIRD LETTERS WERE.

WE'RE JUST KIND OF UPDATING EVERYTHING.

AND IT HAS SOME L E D LIGHTS JUST TO MAKE IT STAND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, THE OWNERS HAVE, UH, OF THE KICKEN BIRD CINEMA WHO WE PURCHASED THE BUILDING FROM, HAVE GIVEN US FULL PERMISSION FROM THEIR SIDE.

YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IT DOESN'T GET THROUGH THERE, BUT THEY'RE FULL BLESSING TO BUILD WHATEVER WE NEED AND THEY THINK THAT IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY GOOD AND HELP WITH THE WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER AND EVERYTHING.

JUST UNFORTUNATELY HOW WE SET OUT ON THERE IS WE'RE JUST SO CLOSE TO THE OTHER BUILDING.

SO WE'RE HOPING THAT Y'ALL ALLOW US TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH BUILDING THE NEW SIGN.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE ANYTHING OVER OVER THE TOP OR, YOU KNOW, VERY INTRUSIVE TO ANYTHING ELSE'S.

JUST GONNA HELP US STAND OUT IN THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE.

CAN CHRISTIE PULL UP THAT SIGN AGAIN? CHRISTIE, DID YOU HEAR THAT? THANK YOU.

AND THERE IS A SIGN ON THE SOUTH WALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

FIVE B.

ALL RIGHT.

SCENE NONE COMMISSION COMMENTS? I, I HAD ONE QUESTION IN REFERENCE BECAUSE I, I DO RECALL THE, UH, THAT AREA BEING USED FOR SIGNAGE BEFORE, IF WE WERE TO MEASURE THE OLD SIGN THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN, WHAT WOULD THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF IT MEASURE AS COMPARED TO THIS? DO YOU KNOW THAT MR. RENZ, YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T, SIR.

I I NEVER SAW THE ORIGINAL SIGN PERSONALLY.

HERE, YOU STEP UP HERE AND ANSWER COMMISSIONER HU'S QUESTION PLEASE.

WHILE HE WALKS UP.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD THAT INFORMATION FROM THE OLD SIGN PERMIT.

UM, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE YOUR WAY TO MEASURE IT.

THE SIGN WAS REMOVED BEFORE WE EVER WERE INVOLVED WITH THE PROJECT, BUT THE, THE LETTERS, IF THEY WERE TO BE MEASURED, IT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER THAN THIS.

A BIT SMALLER, YEAH.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

EVEN APPROXIMATELY, LIKE I SAID, I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN THE, THE ORIGINAL SIGN.

SURE.

SO THE LETTERS THAT WE'RE PUTTING UP NOW ARE SLIGHTLY BIGGER.

UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF FILLING

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IN THE SPACE.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PICTURE HERE, WHERE ALL THAT KIND OF WHITE TANUS THAT'S BEHIND THERE, THAT'S ACTUALLY FRAMED OFF.

AND THE LETTERS BEFORE ON THE KICKEN BIRD CINEMA TOOK UP THAT WHOLE AREA.

THEY WERE JUST SPACED OUT FROM, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO IT WAS JUST THE BIG LONG KICKING BIRD AND THEN CINEMAS UNDERNEATH.

SO WE'RE STILL GOING IN, IN THE ACTUAL FRAME OF WHAT THE SCOPE OF, ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

WE'RE GOING INSIDE THE EXACT SAME AREA OF WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE.

WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE LETTERS SLIGHTLY BIGGER AND MAKING 'EM STAND OUT A BIT MORE.

THEY WERE JUST OLD, THEY WERE OLD BIG GOLD LETTERS AND THEY WERE ABOUT THIS BIG ALREADY.

WHEN WE TOOK 'EM DOWN, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH FILLED IN THERE.

IT WAS JUST MORE SPACED OUT AND WE JUST KIND OF CONDENSED AND MADE IT.

BUT THERE'S, WE'RE IN THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL LETTERS WERE INSIDE AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A, A BUMP OUT THAT GOES AROUND THAT WHOLE AREA.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST GOING INSIDE.

WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR LIKE THE, I GUESS THE DIMENSIONS OF WHERE WE WERE IN BEFORE, JUST KIND OF FILLING IT IN MORE.

MR. WALL.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING THERE? YEAH.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, IF NOT, ARE THERE COMMENTS? RANDY, DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SIGN VARIANCES IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER? GOALS AS A PRETTY, I THOUGHT THEY HAD A PRETTY SIZABLE SIGN, BUT I DON'T, I KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY RECOLLECTION OF ANYTHING ELSE.

I DON'T RECALL ONE BEING IN THERE.

NOW GOLD IS SET FAR FROM PARCEL PARCEL AND IT'S SETS FAR AWAY FROM THAT SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.

SO THEY'RE PROBABLY OUT THE FULL, CLOSE TO 300 SQUARE FEET OF SIGN.

ALLOW.

QUESTION.

THAT'S PART I WAS MISSING, I THINK, WAS THAT ON THIS, RANDY, DO THEY MEASURE FOR THE SIGNAGE, ARE THEY MEASURING SPECIFICALLY THE AREA IN WHICH THE LETTERS ARE ENCOMPASSING? ARE THEY MEASURING FOR THE ENTIRE INTERIOR OF THAT? LIKE MEASURE A BOX AROUND THE LETTERS, A BOX AROUND THE LETTERS.

SO TECHNICALLY THIS IS PROBABLY ABOUT DOUBLE THE SIZE OF WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THEN, ROUGHLY.

LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE.

BUT IF THEY DIDN'T SET ON THAT PROPERTY LINE CADDY CORNERED, THEY WOULD HAVE A MUCH LARGER SIGN.

FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.

IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEM FIVE B? MOVE TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED THREE TO TWO AND IT'LL BE AT COUNSEL 12.

12, UH, 22.

[C. Case #SP22-00037 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Site Plan for Stedmond Storij, located on the northwest corner of 33rd and Technology Drive. (Johnson & Associates)]

ITEM FIVE C.

JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES.

MR. ZIZO, THIS MR BOX S P 22 DASH 37 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR SITE PLAN FOR TEDMAN STORAGE LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 33RD AND TECHNOLOGY DRIVE MR. INCE FIVE C, PLEASE.

UH, THIS, IT WAS HEARD AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THE APPLICANT COULD PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THE MATERIALS BEING PROPOSED.

UH, THAT INFORMATION WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

AS A REFRESHER, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR A STORAGE FACILITY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 33RD, JUST WEST OF TECHNOLOGY DRIVE.

UH, THE SITE IS ZONED TO F1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE STORAGE USE.

UH, THE SITE IS 4.3 ACRES AND THE PLAN SHOWS TWO, UH, 49,009 HUNDREDS SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS, WHICH WILL CONTAIN PERSONAL STORAGE UNITS INTERIOR TO THE BUILDINGS.

UH, THE SITE IS ADJACENT, EXCUSE ME, TO OTHER INDUSTRIAL PARK USES, INCLUDING THE GARAGE CONDOS TO THE EAST, UH, WHICH IS ALSO STORAGE ACROSS 33RD STREET TO THE SOUTH AS A LARGE WAREHOUSE BUILDING.

UH, THE SITE MEETS LANDSCAPING.

ANOTHER SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS EXCEPT FOR TWO VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.

UH, ONE IS TO THE BUILDING MATERIALS.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING EACH BUILDING AS FULLY METAL BUILDINGS MADE OF WHITE ARCHITECTURAL METAL WITH CERAMIC COATING.

UH, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 50% OF ANY ALLOWED METAL BUILDING FACING AN ARTERIAL TO BE 50% NON-ED COVERAGE.

UH, THE SECOND IS TO HIS SETBACK REQUIRED FROM 33RD STREET.

UH, THE SOUTHERN SETBACK IS REQUIRED TO BE 50 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

UH, THE BUILDINGS AS SHOWN ARE ONLY 38 FEET FROM THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, BUT THAT DOES PUT THEM MORE IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ALONG 33RD STREET ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SITE.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES.

DAVID, BOX FIVE TWENTY TWO.

MR. INS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? MR. BOX? YES.

CALL COURT DRIVE.

UM, AS RANDY SAID, THIS WILL CONTINUE THE LAST TIME WE SUPPLIED INFORMATION, UH, SUPPLIED SOME ADDRESSES OF THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT MY CLIENT OWNS AND OPERATES.

I HOPE YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO, UH, TO DRIVE BY AND SEE IT.

UH, ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THIS PRODUCT IS, UH, MY CLIENT IS NOT SEEKING TO USE METAL BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER.

THE, THE METHOD THAT THEY'RE USING HERE IS ON PAR WITH WHAT A MASONRY PRODUCT WOULD BE IS BECAUSE IT, IT'S KIND OF ON BRAND.

WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS PRODUCE, UH, WHAT, WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO ME, THE HIGHEST QUALITY PERSONAL STORAGE UNITS IN THE METRO.

UM, I HOPE IF YOU SAW IT, YOU, YOU AGREE WITH THAT.

WE ALSO PROVIDED THE SPEC SHEET FROM THE, THE MANUFACTURER.

UH, SO WHAT THIS IS IS A CERAMIC COATED, UH, METAL, AND IT, IT HAS THE SAME DURABILITY, FRANKLY, AS A

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MASONRY PRODUCT.

UH, BUT IT'S ATTRACTIVE.

IT'S RESISTANT TO WEATHER, IT'S RESISTANT TO, TO OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS.

SO, UM, WITH THAT'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE'D ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU, MR. BOXER.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT.

FIVE C.

FIVE C, PUBLIC COMMENT, SEEING NONE.

COMMISSION COMMENTS.

UM, MR. CHRIS, IF I COULD, UH, I'D LIKE TO FIRST SAY THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANTS FOR GOING AHEAD AND GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY AND CONTINUING THIS.

UH, AND I APPRECIATED YOU ALL MEETING ME OUT AT THE PROJECT.

UM, THIS IS, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE AND, AND I REALIZE THERE'S A VARIANCE THAT WAS GRANTED ON THE PROJECT THAT WAS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE EAST.

UH, HOWEVER, UH, WITH IT BEING ON A MAJOR ARTERIAL STREET AND LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS AND THE WAY THAT PROJECT IS, THE, THE PROJECT THAT Y'ALL HAVE DOWN ON 64TH STREET, UH, LOOKS GREAT, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON 63RD, WHICH IS A MAJOR ARTERIAL THERE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF IT.

UM, ACROSS THE ROAD FROM 63RD STREET, A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, UH, BACK OVER ON THE CHESAPEAKE PROPERTY.

UH, THERE'S A LARGE BUILDING THERE, BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE IT SET UP AND IT'S, UH, A SET UP AGAIN WHERE THERE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENCE IN STORAGE, UH, NOT STORAGE, BUT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STRUCTURE TO SORT OF BREAK THINGS UP.

UH, WITH THAT BEING ON 33RD, THE TRASH CAN OR THE, THE DUMPSTER AREA BASICALLY BEING RIGHT UP ON THE CORNER, THAT CAUSES SOME CONCERN FOR ME AS WELL.

UM, I, I PERSONALLY JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN SUPPORT THE VARIANCE ON THIS.

UH, AND AGAIN, THOUGH, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COURTESIES AND, AND WORKING WITH US AND CONTINUING TO GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE PROJECTS.

I LOOKED AT IT, THEN I ALSO LOOKED AT THE ONE OUT ON I 35, UM, WHICH HAD THE LARGER BUILDING THAT'S GONNA BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.

UM, BUT AGAIN, I, I JUST DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT.

THANK YOU MR. HU.

ARE THERE OTHERS? I TOO ALSO WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY AT 64TH.

I WAS BY THERE TODAY AS WELL.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO COMMENTS WE HAD LAST COMMITTED COMMISSION MEETING REGARDING THE NEIGHBOR WITH THE GARAGE CONDOS AND, UM, HAVING NO OTHER ALL METAL.

EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THERE IS, IS THE MASONRY.

THAT WOULD BE TOUGH FOR ME TO SUPPORT THAT VARIANCE AS WELL.

SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST LET YOU KNOW HOW I FELT ABOUT IT.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER THERE.

OTHERS, I TOO DROVE BY BOTH LOCATIONS AND, UH, I MIRROR MR. HU'S THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS.

UH, I, I THINK YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT, FRANKLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO DOWN THE ROAD, IF THIS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS SOMETHING I CERTAINLY, THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE OUT THERE, BUT I JUST THINK YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.

I MEAN, I LOOKED AT BOTH AND, UH, I'M NOT A REAL STRONG GUY, BUT THAT DOESN'T, I, I TOUCHED ONE OF 'EM AND DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF THAT, AND I SAW THE OTHER ONE AND DAMN SURE DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF THAT ONE.

SO, UH, I'M, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS APPLICATION.

IF I COULD SAY ONE MORE THING, YES, SIR.

IF THIS PROJECT WAS NOT NECESSARILY RIGHT THERE ON 33RD WITH THE MAJOR ARTERIAL AND ALSO THE, THE DRIVE THERE ON TECHNOLOGY DRIVE, IF IT WAS BACK FURTHER ON THE PROPERTY BACK IN THE CORNER, DOWN PAST WHAT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL AD THE TECH.

UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE BUILDINGS AND THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THAT WITHIN THAT COMPLEX.

BUT AGAIN, NOTHING DIRECTLY LIKE THAT IMMEDIATELY, JASON ON AN ARTERIAL STREET.

AND IF IT WAS WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT, I, I CERTAINLY WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE FAR MORE APPROPRIATE.

MR. HUGHES.

ARE THERE OTHERS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION IN A SECOND ITEM FIVE.

MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE C.

THERE'S A MOTION, THERE'S A SECOND.

THAT ITEM ZERO.

FIVE.

NO THAT, UH, 1212 MR. BOX.

BROADWAY LLC, CASE PR 22 DASH 34.

YES SIR.

UH, 1 0 3

[D. Case #PR22-00034 Public Hearing and Consideration of a Preliminary Plat for 103 N Broadway to be located on the northwest corner of Hurd and Broadway. (103 Broadway LLC)103 N. Broadway PR22-00034 Preliminary Plat]

IT'S PUBLIC HEARING.

CONSIDERATION OF PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR 1 0 3 NORTH BROADWAY TO BE LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER ARE HERD AND BROADWAY.

MR. INCE FIVE D PLEASE.

OKAY, ATKINS, UH, SEEKING APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BROADWAY AND HERD.

UH, IT'S THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE.

THE PLAT HAS SIX LOTS ON 0.32 ACRES AND WILL BE THE SIDE OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH THREE BUILDINGS INCLUDING, UH, COMMERCIAL ON THE CORNER AND LIVE WORK UNITS ON THE WEST SIDE.

UH,

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THE SIDE IS ZONES C OR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THERE ARE NO VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED.

UH, THERE IS ONE UNIQUE THING, THE PLAT IS INDICATING THAT PARALLEL PARKING WILL BE A LONG HERD.

UH, EVENTUALLY THAT DETERMINATION WILL HAVE TO BE MADE AND, UH, ECHOED WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALONG HERD FOR CONSISTENCY'S SAKE, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THE URBAN BOARD HAS TO CONSIDER A SITE PLAN.

THANK YOU MR. ANS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER SCENE? NONE.

IS THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND THAT? JUST HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BE HAPPY ANSWERED.

DEAN COLETA CIVIL AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS.

ARE THERE? QUESTION, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? SCENE NONE.

PUBLIC COMMENT, FIVE D, PUBLIC COMMENT.

FIVE D SCENE, NONE.

COMMISSION COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND? FIVE D, MOVE TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

THAT ITEM'S PROVED FOUR TO ZERO AND IT'S TASKED WITH THE CITY'S COMPLETE TONIGHT.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

ITEM

[E. Case #SP22-00039 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Site Plan for Thomas Center II, Buildings 1 & 2, located east of Garage and Thomas Drives. (Cedar Creek Inc)]

FIVE E CEDAR CREEK, INC.

CEDAR CREEK, INC.

OKAY, UH, ITEM FIVE E IS S P 22 DASH 39.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR A SITE PLAN FOR THOMAS CENTER.

TWO BUILDINGS, ONE AND TWO LOCATED EAST OF GARAGE AND THOMAS DRIVES MR. INCE FIVE E PLEASE.

OKAY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF THOMAS CENTER.

UH, THE SITE PLAN SHOWS TWO BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GARAGE DRIVE JUST EAST OF THOMAS DRIVE.

UH, THE SITE IS ZONED AS A P D TO ALLOW FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THE ELEVATIONS INCLUDE UH, 50% OF THE BUILDING BEING BRICK OR STONE WITH THE REMAINER BEING METAL, SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THE SITE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES 16 PARKING SPACES WITH ACCESS ON THE GARAGE DRIVE.

UH, THE LANDSCAPING IS COMPLIANT AND NO VARIANCES ARE BEING REQUESTED.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU MR. NZ.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND I DON'T.

WE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE APPLICANT? SCENE NONE.

PUBLIC COMMENT.

FIVE.

E PUBLIC COMMENT, FIVE E COMMISSION COMMENTS, SCENE NONE.

IS THERE A MOTION IN A SECOND? FIVE E MOVE TO APPROVE, SIR, THERE'S A MOTION IN A SECOND.

FIVE E IS APPROVED.

FIVE ZERO AND ITS TASK WITH THE CITY'S COMPLETE TONIGHT, SIR.

FIVE

[F. Case #PR21-00006 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Preliminary Plat for Tall Oaks Village, located on Coltrane, south of 33rd Street. (Johnson & Associates) ]

F JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES.

FIVE F IS CASE PR 21 DASH ZERO SIX PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT TALL OAKS VILLAGE LOCATED ON COLTRANE SOUTH OF 30 AND THIRD JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES.

IS THE APPLICANT THERE PRESENT MR. NS FIVE F PLEASE? UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A RESIDENTIAL PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT HAS 16 LOTS ON EIGHT ACRES JUST WEST OF COLTRANE, SOUTH 33RD STREET.

UH, THE SITE IS ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, HAS BEEN SINCE 1962 AND HAS FULL CITY SERVICES AVAILABLE.

UH, THE LOTS RANGE AND SIZE FROM 6,000 SQUARE FEET TO 13,000 SQUARE FEET.

ACCESS WILL BE FROM ONE SINGLE DRIVE ON THE COAL TRAIN.

UH, NO VARIANCES ARE BEING REQUESTED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU SIR.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? MR. ZO? GOOD EVENING.

MARK ZIZO WITH JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATE'S.

ADDRESS IS ONE SHERIDAN AVENUE.

UH, I'D LIKE TO FIRST THANK THE STAFF.

THIS IS A PROJECT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR I THINK A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.

UH, TRYING TO GET THE LAYOUT RIGHT, THE TREE PRESERVATION RIGHT AND STAYING OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.

UH, AND WE'VE COMMUNICATED WITH SOME NEIGHBORS, UH, OVER THAT TIME AS WELL.

SO, UH, WITH THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? SCENE? NONE.

PUBLIC COMMENT FIVE F YES SIR.

IF YOU COULD KINDLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.

HI, I'M JOHN WIGGINS AND MY FIVE ACRE RESIDENCE, BUT THE WEST IN CAN WEINS.

I GOT ONE, ONE.

ANDY DOES, LET'S SEE, MY WIFE AND I HAVE FIVE ACRES.

THIS IS OUR WOODS BACKYARD HERE.

THAT'S YOUR BACKYARD? YES SIR.

NOW THERE IS AN EXPOSED ACTIVE SEWER LINE IN MY BACKYARD THAT'S SEVERAL FEET OF EXPOSED.

UH, IT'S, THAT PART IS WOODED.

UH, THERE IS A FEMA STORM CREEK THAT'S QUITE ACTIVE WHEN IT RAINS, THAT KIND OF RUNS THIS WAY.

AND RIGHT

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I'M ASSUMING IT VIOLATES SOMETHING.

UH, BUT THERE IS A CITY PROJECT PROJECT THAT IS NOW ONGOING TO LAY A NEW SEWER LINE FARTHER, CLOSER TO MY HOUSE SO THAT THE FEMA STORM CREEK, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ABANDONED SEWER LINE THAT'S NOW THERE AND EXPOSED.

IT RUNS RIGHT HERE, THE NEW SEWER LINE.

WE'VE ALREADY NEGOTIATED THE EASEMENT.

IT'S A DONE DEAL.

AND I THINK ANY DAY THEY'RE GONNA START LAYING THE NEW SEWER LINE CLOSER TO MY HOUSE.

I HAVE ONE COUPLE OF CONCERNS.

ONE IS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT, TO BE ASSURED THAT THE DRAINAGE WHICH RUNS THIS WAY FROM HERE THROUGH HERE DOES NOT INCREASE THE EROSION OF THE STORM CREEK BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY EXPOSED THE EXISTING SEWER LINE.

IT IS HIGHLY SUBJECT TO EROSION THAT CREEK BIT.

UH, I HAVE THE ENGINEER, JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN SO COURTEOUS AND I DON'T WANT TO IMPLY THAT THEY, THEY'VE BEEN STANDOFFISH.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN.

UH, BUT I JUST WANT TO VOICE CONCERN THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO INCREASE DRAINAGE WITHOUT ADEQUATE PROTECTION OF THE CREEK BED THAT'S IN MY BACKYARD.

UH, I HAVE DEALT, I'VE TRIED TO LOCATE AND, AND DEAL WITH THE CITY INDIVIDUAL THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EROSION.

AND I WAS PUT IN TOUCH WITH A TYLER DELAL.

UH, I'VE HAD TWO CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM AND I JUST, I I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO IN, ON THE CITY SIDE OF IT IS MY NETWORK SOURCE THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED AND IT GETS STARTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE ENGINEERING GURUS THAT ARE OUTTA MY WHEELHOUSE, UH, ARE ASSURED THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE DRAINAGE OF THE STORM CREEK IF Y'ALL APPROVE IT.

SO THAT'S ONE CONCERN I HAD WAS THE EROSION OF THE FEMA STORM CREEK.

THE OTHER I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS CHANGED ITS CONCEPT TWO OR THREE TIMES.

AND THIS GENTLEMAN JUST MENTIONED THAT THE CITY'S KNOWLEDGE IS CURRENT, UH, 16 LOTS.

16 LOTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT TYLER DEVAL TOLD ME, THAT THE CITY UNDERSTOOD THIS TO BE 16 LOTS.

AND WHEN I MET WITH JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES, THEY'VE NOW INCREASED IT TO 18 LOTS.

AND I HAVE THE PLAT SHOWING 18, NOT 60.

AND MR. DEVAL SAID THAT WAS KNOWLEDGE TO HIM.

AND APPARENTLY THIS GENTLEMAN, IT'S KNOWLEDGE TO HIM NOW 16 TO 18.

IF ABOUT WHAT'S GOING IN.

BUT OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, I HAVE A FIVE ACRE RESIDENCE.

MY NEIGHBOR HAS A MULTI ACRE RESIDENCE OVER HERE.

WE'VE GOT TALL OAKS, WHICH IS A NICE ADDITION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND HERE WE'VE GOT TALL OAKS CROSSING, WHICH IS A GREAT ADDITION.

AND I'VE TRIED TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE PRICE POINT OF THESE LOTS THAT ARE, WHAT'S THE DEVELOPER GOT IN MIND.

I DON'T KNOW AS WE STAND HERE AND WHEN I ASK THE CITY PERSON THAT I SPOKE WITH, WHAT, WHAT HAVE WE GOT GOING HERE? THEY COULD NOT TELL ME AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT IF WE HAVE INCREASING LOTS THAT YOU ALL AREN'T AWARE OF, THAT MEANS A SMALLER FOOTPRINT FOR THE HOUSE, PERHAPS IT MEANS INCREASED DRAINAGE.

AND I WAS GIVEN 18 LOTS, WHICH IS A SMALLER THAN THE 16 THAT YOU ALL HAVE.

SO I JUST THROW ALL THAT OUT THAT ARE QUESTIONS TO ME ON DRAINAGE AND PRICE POINT.

WHAT'S GONNA GO INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY WIFE AND I WERE EVEN INTERESTED IN MAYBE BUYING SOMETHING TO DOWNSIZE FROM THIS VERY NEIGHBORHOOD, CUZ I OWN THE WOODS BACK HERE.

THAT'D BE A GREAT BACKYARD FOR ME.

BUT I HAVE THOSE COUPLE OF ISSUES

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ALL RIGHT, MR. WILLIAMS, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, WE CAN GET, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GONNA GET YOU AN ANSWER ON THE EROSION ISSUE.

WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PRICE POINTS, SO LET'S MR. ZIZO, JUST HANG ON JUST A SECOND.

ARE THERE, UH, FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FIVE F.

OKAY, WE GOT THREE OR FOUR OF THE GENTLEMEN STANDING UP IN THE BACK IF YOU'LL COME ON UP AND THEN, UH, THE LADY IN.

YEP.

MY NAME'S MARK BECKER, 27 0 8 EAST 33RD STREET.

I JUST LIVE ON THE PROPERTY, UM, JUST EAST OF MR. WIGGINS HERE.

AND SO THERE'S TWO ISSUES HERE THAT KIND OF BISECT.

AND HE, HE DID EXPRESS THE EROSION ISSUE.

UM, SPRING CREEK, UH, BISECTS OUR PROPERTY AND THERE'S BEHIND THIS ADDITION TO THE WEST IS A MINOR TRIBUTARY THAT GOES RIGHT INTO SPRING CREEK AT THAT ELBOW.

UM, I'VE REVIEWED THE, UH, MODELING THAT THEY'VE DONE ON THE DETENTION.

I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DISCHARGE GOING ONTO THE PROPERTY AND THEN WHAT THE DISCHARGE IN SPRING CREEK WOULD BE.

AND IT'S BEEN MY OBSERVATIONS THAT SPRING CREEK WILL GET THE BANK FULL AND THE BACKWATER FROM THE ADDED DISCHARGE FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD JUST INCREASE THE FLOOD PLAIN IN THERE.

UM, BECAUSE IT, IT BACKS THAT LITTLE TRIBUTARY UP SECOND.

UM, AND THIS KIND OF APPLIES TO THAT EROSION ISSUE AND THE NEW SEWER LINE.

THAT SEWER LINE IS ALSO GOING THROUGH OUR PROPERTY ON AN EASEMENT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND IT MAKES AN, UH, TURN THERE AT THAT ELBOW.

NOW THEY HAVE, UM, PROPOSED RUNNING A SEWER LINE, UH, I BELIEVE 12 INCH SEWER LINE AND, UH, ADJOINING THAT AND THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE OF THE NEW SEWER LINE GOING IN AND THE ELEVATION THEY'D HAVE TO OBTAIN TO GO UNDER THE CREEK AND GET IN THERE ARE NOT GOING TO HOOK UP AND THE SEWAGE IS NOT GONNA RUN UPHILL.

SO, UM, THEY NEED TO LOOK AT HOW THAT SEWER LINE'S RUNNING, HOW THEY'RE GONNA TIE INTO THAT NEW SEWER LINE.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED TO THE CITY THAT THAT'S HIGHLY ERODIBLE FLOOD PLAIN IN THERE.

AND I KNOW IT'S THE NEW SOLUTION BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT CURRENT SEWER LINE EXPOSED IN OUR CREEK BED.

IT'S BEEN REPAIRED NUMEROUS TIMES AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANNA MOVE IT, BUT THIS MOVEMENT IS NOT GONNA BE A PERMANENT OR LONG TERM SOLUTION.

THE EROSION IS JUST GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT AND WE KNOW THAT.

SO, BUT THE SEWER LINE CROSSING THERE, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO, THAT'S GOING TO, UM, WORK.

SO THEY EITHER NEED TO COORDINATE WITH THE CITY, EDMOND IN THE SEWER AND FIND OUT HOW THIS GONNA BE CUZ THEY COULD RUN IT OFF TO THE SOUTHWEST AND HOOK UP WITH THE NEW LINE, BUT NOT ACROSS THE CREEK.

IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.

MR. BECKER, BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

MR. ZZA, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE COMMUNICATIONS YOU'VE HAD AND WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THEN ALSO TALK ABOUT THE EROSION ISSUE, YOUR OBLIGATIONS WITH THAT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE MR. BA ADD SOME COMMENTS IF HE HAS ANY, AND LET'S TRY TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT HERE.

SURE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO.

SO, UM, FIRST WITH, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, WE HAVE A DETENTION POND AT THE CENTER OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

OF EDMOND REGULATIONS, WHICH IS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

MARK, HOW MANY LOTS ARE THERE? SO THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS 16, UH, MR. WIGGINS MET WITH AN ENGINEER IN OUR OFFICE.

I WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM WHY HE WAS SHARED THAT, BUT THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS FOR 16.

SO IF WE SOUGHT TO AMEND THAT, WE'D BE COMING BACK WITH ANOTHER PRELIMINARY PLA OKAY.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 16 LOTS.

16 LOTS IS WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.

WHAT'S IN, WHAT'S IN OUR PACKET? CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, THERE'S A DETENTION POND IN THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WILL, UH, TAKE OUR RUNOFF.

OF COURSE, UH, WE WILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY ALL OF THE CITY

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SO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UH, THE EDMOND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

HOLD THAT UP.

UH, OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, UH, INITIALLY, UH, THE PROJECT PROPOSED, UH, TO EXTEND INTO THE FLOOD PLAIN.

THAT HAS SINCE CHANGED.

SO, UH, OUR CALCULATIONS, UH, AND REPORTS WERE SUBMITTED.

THEY WERE REVIEWED, AND THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S A FINAL PLAT PROCESS WHERE FINAL ENGINEERING WILL HAPPEN, AND AT THAT POINT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE SEWER LINES ARE BEING TIED IN PROPERLY.

AND THEN THERE WILL BE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE, THE FALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THAT POINT.

IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH NEIGHBORS, UH, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH MR. WIGGINS.

I BELIEVE HE'S THE ONLY NEIGHBOR THAT, UH, WE, WE'VE SPOKEN TO AT THE TIME.

I THINK HE WAS THE ONLY NEIGHBOR THAT WE HAD CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THAT WE KNEW I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT IT.

SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS WITH ANY OTHER, UH, INTERESTED.

AND THAT LEADS ME TO THE SECOND QUESTION.

I, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE PROJECT.

IT'S JUST THAT AS WE LOOK OUT HERE, THERE'S FOLKS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS AND THE CITY NO LONGER HOST A COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS MEETING.

UH, IT'S NOW INCUMBENT UPON THE APPLICANT TO ARRANGE THOSE.

AND I KNOW MR. WIGGINS WAS COMPLIMENTARY OF HOW YOU'VE CONDUCTED YOURSELF WITH HIM, BUT OTHERS HAVE QUESTIONS.

AND I, UH, AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM MR. BA, BUT RATHER THAN GOING, GOING THROUGH THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE IS, UH, TO KICK THIS OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS UNTIL DECEMBER, AND I KNOW THAT THANKSGIVING'S GONNA GET IN THE WAY, BUT WE HAVE ONE MEETING, I BELIEVE IN DECEMBER, RIGHT? WHAT DAY IS THAT? DECEMBER 6TH.

YOU BETTER GET BUSY.

ENJOY THAT TURKEY AND THEN TRY TO HAVE A MEETING FIRST PART OF THE MONTH.

I WANNA SEE A SHOW OF HANDS IN HERE RIGHT NOW WHO CAN MEET THAT FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER? OKAY.

UH, IF YOU WOULD, SIR, UH, AFTER THIS IS CONTINUED FOR TILL DECEMBER 6TH, STEP OUT THERE IN THAT FOYER AND, UH, GET EVERYBODY'S INFORMATION AND HAVE A CHAT WITH THEM.

AND, UH, THEN WE'LL COME BACK HERE AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS IF THAT'S THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE.

BUT MR. BATTY, I THINK WE CAN HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL DECEMBER 6TH.

GIVEN WE'RE, WE'RE STOPPING THE PROCESS HERE TO HAVE A CHAT.

WE WILL HAPPILY AGREE TO THAT.

WHAT I WOULD ASK, SEE , WE HAVE OUR NEXT ITEM.

UH, AND SO IN ORDER FOR ME TO CHAT WITH THEM, CAN YOU MOVE OUR NEXT ITEM TO THE HEEL OF THE DOCKET SO YOU CAN GIMME A SECOND TO NO, THAT'S GONNA INCON YEAH, GO OUT THERE AND DO THAT REAL QUICK.

I TELL YOU WHAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

UH, TAKE THIS PIECE OF PAPER RIGHT HERE AND EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE INVITED TO THAT MEETING, SIGN THAT THING AND, UH, HAVE HIM GET YOUR NAME AND INFORMATION AND THEN WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE CITY STAFF.

SO WE'LL HAVE A RECORD OF IT, BUT THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.

MAKE A MOTION.

TO, TO MOVE THIS TO DECEMBER 6TH.

ITEM FIVE G, THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT CASE Z 22 DASH 0 23.

SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

THAT ITEMS CONTINUED TO DECEMBER 6TH.

UH, FIVE TO ZERO FOLKS SIGN THAT PIECE OF PAPER, UH, WE'LL GET A COPY, SO WE'LL HAVE IT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.

[G. Case #Z22-00023 Public Hearing and Consideration for Rezoning from “F-1” Light Industrial to “PUD Z22-00023” Planned Unit Development, located on the west side of Kelley Pointe Parkway, north of 33rd Street. (ERC Building Company)]

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF REZONING FROM F1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO P U D Z 22 DASH 0 23.

PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATED KELLY POINT NORTH OF 33RD.

MR. ENZ, FIVE G PLEASE.

UH, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE EASY ACCESS TO THOSE JOBS.

APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE P U D ON THE WEST SIDE OF KELLY POINT PARKWAY, UH, NORTH OF 33RD STREET.

THE SITE IS 12 ACRES AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED F1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THE P U D WILL ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WITH, UH, 216 APARTMENTS AND 12 TOWN HOMES WITH A MAXIMUM GROSS DENSITY OF 20 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

UH, THE P D COMMITS TO THE BUILDINGS BEING 70% BRICK STUCCO STONE OR MASONRY BOARD, UH, WITH WOOD AND METAL ACCENTS.

UH, THE BUILDINGS WILL BE NO MORE THAN 45, 5 FEET IN HEIGHT.

UH, THE PD ALSO COMMITS TO A SIX TO EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.

UH, THE HEAD AND PRAIRIE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED 90 FEET TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE AND 300 FEET, UH, TO THE WEST ACROSS THE FLOOD.

PLAIN CITY SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE EDMOND PLAN 2018 DESIGNATES THE AREA'S EMPLOYMENT, WHICH ARE AREAS THAT ARE MEANT TO PROVIDE, UH, FOR THE JOBS AND INDUSTRY SERVING EDMUND.

THE CATEGORY ALSO ANTICIPATES THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN AND AROUND THOSE AREAS,

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UH, DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPING THE SITE WITH HOUSING SEEMS TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE PLAN.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU, MR. AN ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER SCENE? NONE.

JUST DO YOUR WORK BACK THERE AND, UH, WE'LL PAUSE FOR JUST A MINUTE.

SHOULD, YOU CAN KEEP ON TALKING.

RANDY, IF YOU WANT, MARK, WHY DON'T YOU STEP BACK UP HERE AND GET STARTED ON THIS.

MR. BECKER, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE CHARGE OF THAT THING, THAT SIGN UP SHEET, AND THEN, UH, IF YOU'LL BRING IT UP HERE, WE'LL GET A COPY MADE.

THANK YOU MR. BECKER.

GOOD EVENING WORKS.

IT'S OUT WITH JOHNSON ASSOCIATES.

ONE SHERIDAN AVENUE, UH, BEFORE YOU.

TONIGHT IS A P U D FOR, UH, A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S 216 APARTMENTS AND 12 TOWN HOMES.

UH, I THINK LIKE MOST COMMUNITIES AND TOWNS IN OKLAHOMA, UH, WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASED NEED FOR HOUSING, PARTICULARLY MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

AND SO, UH, THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT TODAY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE TYPES OF OF USES THAT, THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED THERE TODAY BY RIGHT.

UH, COMPANION ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED WITH THIS WERE THE PLATS AND THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT IF THIS IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT, YOU'LL SEE I THINK, UH, IN, IN DECEMBER.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

UM, I THINK WE'RE OVER 300 FEET AWAY FROM ANY NEARBY SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE PART OF KELLY POINT, UH, HAS IMPROVED ROADS.

UH, AND I THINK THERE'S PROPER ACCESS TO SERVE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

THERE WERE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD OR TWO PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION MEETINGS THAT OUR CLIENT HAD, UH, THAT WE WERE NOT IN ATTENDANCE APP, BUT MINUTES WERE SHARED.

AND I BELIEVE, UH, ALSO SENT TO CITY STAFF ONE AUGUST 15TH AND ONE SEPTEMBER 8TH.

UH, AT THE TIME THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT PREVENTED MULTI-FAMILY, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ASSOCIATION VOTED, UH, TO APPROVE THE CHANGE IN THEIR CCNRS TO ALLOW THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'D BE HAPPY ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SUCH A, UM, A GREAT LOOKING, UH, BUSINESS PART.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ELEVATIONS AT ALL? I DIDN'T SEE ANY ELEVATIONS.

WE DO.

CHRISTIE, WOULD YOU HELP? UH, THERE THEY ARE.

SO THIS IS ALL, THIS IS INFORMATION THAT'S ACTUALLY WITH CITY STAFF FOR THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL APPLICATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

SO WE'LL MEET THE LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE.

UH, IT'S SEE THE VERY ATTRACTIVE BUILDINGS.

UM, WE'RE RETAINING THE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT IS ON THE SITE.

UM, I SAW A TWO STORY.

WHERE IS YOUR TWO STORY? IS THAT GONNA BE ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE? I BELIEVE THERE'S NOTES ON THOSE BUILDINGS.

IF YOU COULD, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SIDE? I BELIEVE THERE'S NOTES ON THEM.

YEAH, I, I WAS JUST GONNA RECOMMEND THAT YOU PUT THIS TWO STORY ON THE NORTH SIDE, IF THAT'S A CONSIDERATION AND, AND IF THE NEIGHBOR SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, THOSE TWO.

YEAH, SO I APOLOGIZE.

THOSE DETAILS ARE WITHIN THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION THAT NOTES THE BUILDING TYPES.

I DON'T KNOW ON THE ELEVATIONS IF IT NOTES THE, THE BUILDING LETTERS ON THE, OKAY.

IN YOUR, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE HOMEOWNERS, DID THEY TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE, WHETHER IT WAS TWO STORY OR THREE STORY, IF IT, DID THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? UH, I WOULD HAVE TO LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT.

WE WERE NOT IN ATTENDANCE AT THE TIME.

WE WEREN'T ENGAGED AT THAT POINT.

UM, SO I APOLOGIZE.

OKAY, NO PROBLEM.

AND YOU MENTIONED EITHER A SIX TO EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

ARE WE HAMMERING THAT DOWN TONIGHT OR ARE YOU NOT? WHEN ARE WE DO ON THE FENCE, THE FENCE SIZE? I KNOW IT'S OBVIOUSLY A QUESTION WITH EVERYTHING.

SO YOU MENTIONED ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO EIGHT.

DO YOU HAVE JUST DOING A VARIETY OF 'EM OR YOU JUST WANT THE OPTION TO DO EITHER? WE WERE SEEKING THE OPTION TO DO EITHER, BUT IF THERE'S A DESIRE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, IF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, UH, SPECIFIC FEEDBACK THAT THEY'D LIKE TO GIVE ON THE HEIGHT OF THAT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT

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FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

WE'LL BE BACK.

MISS, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ? COME ON AFTER YOU.

I'M SORRY, BUT YOU'RE GONNA PULL A HAMSTRING JUMPING UP OUTTA THAT CHAIR.

HI BRANDY BR.

I LIVE AT 2 2 24 SWEET CROSS CIRCLE.

UM, SO FIRST WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT I WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THE MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK THAT SOMEBODY FROM OUR HOA BOARD ATTENDED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE WHOLE BOARD OR IF ONE PERSON REPRESENTED US.

SO IF SOMETHING GOT APPROVED, I CAN TELL YOU THAT I DID NOT, I WAS NOT PART OF THAT VOTE AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAD NO CLUE ABOUT IT.

THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT IT.

UM, SO THE LAND IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AS ALL KELLY POINT PARKWAY IS.

WHAT'S THE OVERALL IMPACT IF THIS IS ZONED AS PUD SUCH AS TRAFFIC? IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE FOR THIS COMPLEX? UM, SAFETY FOR CURRENT RESIDENTS OF HIDDEN PRAIRIE, ET CETERA? HOW MANY LOTS ARE CURRENTLY APPROVED? IF THIS LAND REMAINS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE AVAILABLE LAND SIZE DOES NOT APPEAR TO ACCOMMODATE A 216 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.

12 TOWN HOMES.

IS THIS PROJECT BEING SQUEEZED INTO A SMALLER SPACE AND WAS ACTUALLY REQUIRED? AND THEN ALL SURROUNDING AREAS ARE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UM, SO BEHIND A HIDDEN PRAIRIE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WHY CONSIDER REZONING THIS AREA TO PUD? THIS DECISION WOULD ULTIMATELY PLACE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND SEVERAL RESIDENTS BACKYARDS.

EVEN WITH THE DEVELOPER KEEPING THE NORTHERN TREELINE OR EIGHT FOOT FENCE, THAT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

WE JUST HEARD IT'S GONNA BE 300 FEET AWAY FROM HOMES.

AND THEN HAS IT BEEN DETERMINED IF KELLY POINT PARKWAY CAN HANDLE AN ADDITIONAL 250 TO 500 CARS? THAT IS NOT PROPER SPACE FOR THAT MITCH TRAFFIC.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN IN THAT AREA.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THE, I'VE LIVED THERE FOR FIVE YEARS, SO THE ACTUAL, UM, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES THERE NOW DO, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.

SO THAT WOULD REALLY IMPACT NOT ONLY THAT STREET, BUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO FOR SAFETY CONCERNS WITH SPEEDING, HOW WOULD THE DEVELOPER PREVENT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THROUGH HIDDEN PRAIRIE? I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S A PUBLIC ROAD, BUT YOU'RE ALSO INCREASING TRAFFIC BY AT LEAST 500 CARS, IF NOT MORE.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MS. ARE THERE OTHERS PUBLIC? YES.

YES MA'AM.

I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON DECK.

THANKS.

THERE'S A FEW OF US.

HI, MY NAME IS PATTY DOYLE.

I LIVE IN HIDDEN PRAIRIE.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO VOICE OUR OPINIONS.

UM, I ALSO WORK ON KELLY, SO, UM, I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT, UM, WORK OFF OF KELLY AND EVERYONE HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AT 33RD AND KELLY, UM, IF YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THERE AT FOUR OR FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU'LL WAIT THROUGH FIVE ROTATIONS OF THE LIGHT, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO GET PAST THAT INTERSECTION.

UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN A SITE STUDY ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

UM, JUST IN THE 10 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE NOTICED AN, AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, UM, UP AND DOWN KELLY.

UM, THE OTHER IS THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE THREE ENTRANCES TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

TWO ARE RIGHT OFF OF KELLY AND THEY BOTH HAVE RED LIGHTS, UM, WHICH, UM, SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET THREE CARS THROUGH THERE AT A RED LIGHT.

THE OTHER IS ON 33RD, WHICH THERE'S NO RED LIGHT, SO IT'S A LITTLE TOUGHER TO TURN LEFT AND GO TOWARDS THE INTERSECTION.

SO, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD MAYBE FOR THE DEVELOPER WAS WATER RETENTION FOR THAT AREA.

WE DO HAVE A LARGE WATER RETENTION POND THERE.

UM, IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO SOMETHING WITH MORE WATER RETENTION, BUT THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU MS. DOYLE.

OTHERS? OH, I'M SORRY.

MISS I COME RIGHT AHEAD.

I PROMISED HER AND THEN SIR, YOU, YOU'RE ON DECK.

SO MY BACKYARD IS GOING TO BE POINTING TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

MY NAME IS MICHELLE ED BROOK AND I'M AT 2217 SWEETGRASS CIRCLE.

UM, WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING IT ON THE OTHER MAP PLEASE OF THE, IT WAS LIKE YELLOW LINES.

IT'S AT THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE YEAH, QD ONE.

OH ME USE THIS POINTER POINTER HERE.

UM, SO AS SHE HAD MENTIONED BEFORE ME, THERE IS A COUPLE OF ENTRANCES.

SO ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE THE TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP ON KELLY.

SO WHAT PEOPLE DO IS CUT THROUGH HERE.

UM, SO THAT'S A CONCERN THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO JUST WITH, UM, TRAFFIC IN THE MORNINGS DURING RUSH HOUR, IT'S BACKED UP ALREADY AND PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH.

UM, I'M PERSONALLY FOR ME, I AM RIGHT, I'M LOCATED RIGHT HERE.

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UM, SO NOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE BEEN IN IT FOR FIVE YEARS.

IT'S VERY, UH, QUIET.

THERE'S OUR TREELINE THERE WITH A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT WILL BE TAKEN DOWN AND WILL IMPACT THAT AS WELL.

BUT, UH, MAIN CONCERN IS GOING TO BE THE CAR TRAFFIC AND FOOT TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT.

UM, WHAT THE TWO YOU PREVIOUSLY ALREADY TOLD ME, JUST WANTED TO REITERATE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF US THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU MS. YES SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, I GOT SEVERAL CONCERNS.

TELL ME YOUR NAME.

MY, OH, I'M DON TAYLOR.

I LIVE ON, UH, 1348 KELLY POINT PARKWAY.

THANK YOU MR. TAYLOR.

YEAH, AND I'M, UH, I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC FOR, FIRST OF ALL, UH, WHEN I BACK OUT MY DRIVEWAY EVEN NOW, UH, I HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL CAUSE ON TWO HOUSES FROM THE CORNER AND THE, THE CARS COMING AROUND THE CORNER ARE HIDDEN BY THE OTHER HOUSES.

SO I'VE GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL SO I DON'T BACK OUT AND GET HIT.

UH, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS IT'S A THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING DOWN INTO SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD AND INTO THEIR HOUSES LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR BACKYARD, WHICH WOULD BE A VERY REAL CONCERN FOR ME IF I LIVE THERE, WHICH I DON'T WANT, WON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM, PROBLEM, BUT OTHER PEOPLE WILL.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MOVING INTO THESE APARTMENTS AND WITH OUR POND.

HOW ARE WE GONNA CONTROL THE POND? I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN OVER THERE COMING INTO THE POND, GOING FISHING, GOING SWIMMING, DOING WHATEVER ELSE.

UM, ANOTHER PROBLEM I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE COST OF THE SCHOOLS.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO INCREASE THE SCHOOLS.

I JUST GOT MY TAX BILL FOR THIS YEAR.

IT'S $3,000 TAXES.

WELL, OKAY, FINE, BUT TWO THIRDS OF THAT GOES FOR SCHOOLS.

SO I'M GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE MY WIFE TOLD ME TO SAY.

WELL, YOU BETTER FIND OUT .

OH YEAH.

I TELL YOU WHAT I REMEMBER.

CATCH IT ALL RIGHT.

THE POND ON THE SCHOOLS.

LOOKING DOWN IN THE BACKYARD.

VERY CONCERNING.

UH, IF I LIVE WHERE MY HOUSE IS GONNA BE BACKED UP TO THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN YOUR BACKYARD.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE.

ANYWAY, THAT'S MY, THOSE ARE MY CONCERN.

2225 SWEETGRASS CIRCLE.

UM, I AM THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY NORTH, UM, RIGHT HERE.

THAT IS THE CLOSEST ONE TO IT.

AS WAS MENTIONED, WE HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED BY THE DEVELOPER.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO MEETINGS.

THERE HAVE BEEN NO DISCUSSIONS.

I THINK FOR ME, THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO SETS OF DRAINAGE ISSUES.

WE HAVE A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT GOES RIGHT KIND OF THROUGH HERE THAT LITERALLY TOUCHES THE BACK END OF MY YARD AND IS ALREADY STARTING TO ERODE INTO MY YARD.

UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY, THE YELLOW LINE IS RIGHT THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DITCH.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE THIS OVERFLOW KIND OF AREA HERE.

AND THEN THERE'S A LARGER POND DOWN HERE, THIS OVERFLOW AREA HERE.

I MEAN, I, I'D REALLY LOVE TO KNOW MORE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT'S BEING DONE AND HOW IT'S BEING HANDLED FOR THAT IN EACH SITUATION.

YES SIR.

BESIDES THE TRAFFIC.

SO ARE THERE OTHERS? OH, THANK YOU.

UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE MISS YOUR ON DECK.

GOOD EVENING.

BRIAN TATON.

UH, 1409 CORDGRASS COURT.

SPELL THAT LAST NAME PLEASE.

T A T O N.

I AM LOCATED RIGHT THERE, SECOND HOUSE RIGHT HERE.

UM, MY CONCERN IS THE DRAINAGE POND HERE.

THE DRAINAGE POND HERE, HOW THIS IS GONNA BE MANAGED.

ALSO THE TRAFFIC, BASICALLY EVERYTHING EVERYBODY ELSE HAS SAID, LOOKING DOWN AT OTHER PEOPLE.

IT'S VERY CONCERNING.

THIS POND, THIS DRAINAGE AREA RIGHT HERE DOES, WHEN IT RAINS, GETS VERY FLOODED AND VERY MUCKED.

IT'S NOT GONNA SUPPORT WEIGHT.

MA'AM? WELL, WE'RE TRYING, WHICH ONE OF THIS IS HE'S R SCISSOR PAPER.

AND YOU GOT IT.

NO, SHE JUST SAYS DO IT AND I DO.

TELL ME YOUR NAME, SIR.

UH, DARREN PRESLEY.

2209 SWEETGRASS CIRCLE.

COYOTES AND THE, AND ALL THAT.

YEAH, WE, WE ECHO THE SAME CONCERNS OUR NEIGHBORS DO.

UM, ESPECIALLY, UH, TRAFFIC FOR SURE.

CUZ THERE'S, UH, A LOT OF KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE BRINGING MORE VEHICLES.

THAT OF COURSE SPEAKS TO INCREASED DANGER.

UM, THE ELIMINATION OF ALL THE TREES AND VEGETATION THAT ARE, THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.

IT HOUSES A LOT OF WILDLIFE AND WE LOVE LISTENING TO IT.

UH, THE

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HOW EACH NIGHT WE ENJOY THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL GET TO DO THAT IF THIS GOES THROUGH.

UM, DO WE KNOW THE, THE PRICE POINT ON THESE APARTMENTS? WE DO NOT.

COULD WE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD ASK FOR? YOU COULD CERTAINLY ASK THE DEVELOPER.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT IN THAT.

UH, CORRECT.

UM, THE RENT OF THE RENT MA'AM.

AND THE APARTMENT MA'AM HERE WE CAN SING TOGETHER.

WE CAN'T TALK TOGETHER.

SO YOU JUST HAVE, OH, GO AHEAD.

UM, UH, WHAT ELSE HERE? SOME, SOME OF THIS STUFF HAS ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

YEAH, JUST THE, THE TRAFFICS IT'S, IT'S NUTS IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENING.

WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THAT LOOKED AT, SO, OKAY.

OH, AND YEAH, WE, NO MEETINGS.

WE, WE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT MEETINGS AND HE SAID THERE WERE TWO AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER AND, AND WE, WE HEARD OF NEITHER ONE.

THANK YOU MR. SITZ OUT.

OH, I'M SORRY.

UH, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS APPLICATION? I THINK WE GOT INVOLVED RIGHT AROUND THE TIME THAT THEY WERE MEETING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND WE HAD A CONTACT OF TYLER SMITH AS, WHO WAS, I GUESS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM HIDDEN PRAIRIE.

UH, SO WE, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE CONTINUANCE AND HAVE A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE TRAFFIC TO DRAINAGE, THE HEIGHT, THE DENSITY AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.

PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

RIGHT.

YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN BACK HERE HOLDING YOUR HAND UP SAYING LET'S, LET'S TRY TO DO THIS.

I DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOU.

OKAY, WELL, WERE WELCOMED IT.

UH, MA'AM, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE TO DELAY THIS THING UNTIL HE CAN HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU ALL.

I MEAN, THIS IS, I'M SORRY.

IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT Y'ALL HAVEN'T BEEN TALKED TO.

AND, UH, SO MY NAME'S JONNA SANDERSON.

I'M AT 2125 SWEETGRASS CIRCLE.

UM, OBVIOUSLY I, UM, I HAVE THE SAME SENTIMENT AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC.

UM, ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK HAS ALSO BEEN MENTIONED IS THE TRAFFIC ON KELLY POINT.

OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN THE, THE FLOODING ON KELLY POINT, THERE IS OBVIOUS FLOODING ON KELLY WHEN THERE'S, UH, RAIN THAT COMES IN, REALLY, UM, HEAVY DOWNPOURS.

BUT THERE'S ALSO HEAVY FLOODING ON, UH, KELLY POINT AS WE COME IN.

AND MY CONCERN ALSO FOR THAT WOULD BE THAT KIND OF DRAINAGE AND HOW THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED WITH THE, UH, THE, THE BUILDING AS WELL, ALONG WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC.

IT COMES FROM KELLY ALL THE TIME.

AND THERE AT SWEETGRASS, UH, CIRCLE, WE HAVE LOTS OF TRAFFIC COMES THROUGH AND, AND THAT IS A BIG CONCERN.

THANK YOU MS. ANDERSON.

OKAY, WE'RE GONNA STOP THERE.

UH, LET'S HAVE A MOTION.

I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON BOARD LONG WITH THIS APPLICATION, BUT YOU KNOW, IN YOUR OPENING COMMENTS YOU'D INDICATED YOU MET WITH HOA OR SOMEBODY HAD MET WITH HOAS.

WELL, AND I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A COMMENT.

WHAT I'M, I'M, WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS IT WASN'T THOROUGH ENOUGH OBVIOUSLY.

SO DO YOUR BEST ON THIS.

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PULL OFF THE ONE THAT WE JUST CONTINUED TO DECEMBER FIVE AND THIS ONE.

SO UNLESS YOU'RE WEARING A RED CAPE, SUPERMAN.

SO HERE, WHY DON'T WE KICK THIS OUT TO JANUARY, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, OR OUR, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT YOU GIVE US A CHANCE IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PUT A MEETING TOGETHER, THEN WE'LL SUBMIT A LETTER TO STAFF ASKING FOR THE CONTINUANCE TO JANUARY.

SEND THAT LETTER IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TO MR. MURDOCH AND MR. ENZ.

RIGHT.

BUT WE WOULD LIKE THE CHANCE TO HAVE THE MEETING PRIOR TO YOUR DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION SO WE COULD BE HEARD.

WELL IF THAT'S THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE, THEN THAT'S IF, OKAY.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, CONTINUANCE OF THIS TO THE NEXT SCHEDULED PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

DECEMBER 6TH.

AND IF, AND, UH, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YOUR OTHER OBLIGATION THAT YOU'VE GOT AND IF YOU CAN'T GET THAT PULLED OFF, AND THESE FOLKS NEED TO KNOW WHEN THAT PLANNING, WHEN THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.

SO PLEASE BE FAIR IN TRYING TO SCHEDULE YOUR OWN TIME.

UNDERSTOOD.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE.

PENDING THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE MEETING.

THERE'S A MOTION IN A SECOND.

THIS ITEM CONTINUED.

UH, FIVE H DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 22 SPECIFICALLY TO ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IN THE C B D AND D R D DISTRICT PORTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE.

KIND OF SORTA TO DECEMBER 6TH, FIVE ZERO.

UH,

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ALRIGHT FOLKS.

SORRY ABOUT THAT CONFUSION.

WE'LL TRY TO GET YOU SOME ANSWERS GOING FORWARD.

ITEM,

[H. Discussion and Consideration of amendments to Title 22, specifically to ordinance language in the “CBD” Central Business District and the “DRD” Downtown Residential District portions of the ordinance.]

THE CITY PLANNER WILL OFFER THE EXPLANATION ON FIVE H SO SHE DIDN'T REALIZE SHE ALREADY SECOND CLEAR UP.

RIGHT.

WE'LL LET THE ROOM CLEAR.

THERE'S A NEW ARGUMENT FOR DOES IT SO GO.

TRYING TO TRY TO GET CONTRACTS.