Dec 06, 2022 Planning Commission

DO UH, WE HAVE ANY REASON OR NEED TO PULL EITHER OF THOSE ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT DOCKET BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, DO I HEAR A MOTION I'LL MAKE? WELL, THERE'S ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC I'D REALLY PREFER NOT TO, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

, THAT WAS A JOKE.

I HOPE Y'ALL DON'T MIND .

IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE MATTER, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST ITEMS FOUR A AND FOUR B TO HAVE THOSE PULLED OR SCENE? NONE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEMS FOUR A AND FOUR B ON THE CONSENT DOCKET? DO YOU HAVE A HAND? I'M SORRY.

YES, SIR.

YOU'LL COME FORWARD PLEASE.

AND, AND WHICH ITEM IS THIS ON? THE FOUR, NOT V.

RIVER.

IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD HERE PLEASE AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

UH, MY NAME'S KENNETH CROUCH.

I OWN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THE PURPOSE OF THE, IF, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE SUBDIVISION.

IS THAT TO SEPARATE EXISTING HOMES OR IS THERE ANOTHER PURPOSE? IN MY, OKAY.

MR. THE ITEM IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION KNIGHT WOULD CREATE TWO LOTS AS DESCRIBED.

UH, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE IT TO SHOW IT ON THE SCREEN, CHRISTIE.

SO IT WOULD CREATE TWO NEW LOTS OUT OF THAT EXISTING 10 ACRE LOT.

SO TWO FIVE ACRE LOTS OUT OF THE EXISTING 10.

THE QUESTION I HAD IS, IS THAT TO SEPARATE EXISTING HOMES ON THE LOT OR IS THAT TO BUILD NEW HOMES ON THE LOT THAT WOULD SEPARATE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE.

AND FOR ANY HOMES TO NEW HOMES TO BE BUILT.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN IN A NEW HOME.

WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT EITHER OF THOSE ITEMS? SEEING NOTHING ELSE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

UH, THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT DOCKET ITEMS FOUR A AND FOUR B ARE APPROVED BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

THEY WILL MOVE ON THE CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 9TH.

UH, RANDY IS THE LOT SPLIT WILL PROBABLY BE DEAD TONIGHT, CORRECT? NO, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE PLATTED NEIGHBORHOOD, SO IT HAS TO GO ON TO CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

BOTH WILL BE ON JANUARY 9TH.

YES.

VERY GOOD.

UH, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM FIVE A ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.

[A. Case #Z22-00026 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “G-A” General Agricultural to “R-1” Rural Estate District for the property located at 3410 East 44th Street. (Sanders Development Corporation)]

DISCUSSION DOCKET CASE NUMBER Z 2226 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM GENERAL AGRICULTURAL TO R ONE RURAL ESTATE DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 34 10 EAST 44TH STREET.

SANDERS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS THE APPLICANT.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT MR. ENZ.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO REZONE FIVE ACRES AT 34 10 EAST 44TH STREET FROM GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE

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TO R ONE RURAL ESTATE.

IT'S THE AREA OUTLINED IN YELLOW THERE WITH A HAND ON IT.

UH, THE CHANGE WILL ALLOW THE LOT TO BE SPLIT IN THE FUTURE WITH THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 90,000 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL LOTS IN THE AREA, REZONED TO R ONE, UH, WITH SOME OF THE LOTS STILL ZONE GA, THE EDNA PLAN DESIGNATION AREAS, RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH SHOWS THE R ONE ZONING AS APPROPRIATE.

UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SCENE NONE.

WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? NOT NONE.

THIS TO ITEM FIVE B, CASE NUMBER S P 21 DASH 0 0 2 6 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR A SITE PLAN FOR TRACTOR SUPPLY EDITION LOCATED AT COMFORT DRIVE IN SOUTH BROADWAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT OR MAKE ANY FORM OF COMMENT? SCENE? NONE.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? DO I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM FIVE A? I'LL MAKE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND ITEM FIVE A IS APPROVED BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

THAT WILL AS, UH, BE IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 9TH AS WELL.

IT BRINGS

[B. Case #SP21-00026 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Site Plan for Tractor Supply Addition, located at Comfort Dr and S Broadway. (Tractor Supply Co)]

TRACTOR SUPPLY COMPANY IS THE APPLICANT.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? THEY ARE MR. S.

THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR A BUILDING ADDITION TO THE EXISTING TRACTOR SUPPLY STORE AT 6 0 1 COMFORT DRIVE, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH EDGE OF EDMOND ON BROADWAY.

UH, THE ADDITION WILL BRING THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING TO 23,248 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THE CURRENT BUILDING IS JUST UNDER 20,000.

UH, THE ADDITION WILL BE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND WILL HOUSE A GARDEN CENTER.

UH, THE OVERALL EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING WILL HAVE MINIMAL CHANGE.

UH, PARKING ON THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A TOTAL OF 99 SPACES.

NO VARIANCES ARE BEING REQUESTED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SEE NONE WITH THE APPLICANT.

CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? UM, NO.

I'M LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, UH, AWESOME.

YOU FROM A FIRST, LEMME KNOW.

BRINGS US TO ITEMS FIVE C, CASE NUMBER Z 22 DASH 0 0 25 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING DISTRICT TO A P U D Z 22 DASH 0 0 0 25 PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR COVE CROSSING LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF COVE ROAD IN SOONER ROAD CREIGHTON COMPANIES, LLC, AS THE APPLICANT IN THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, MR. INS.

DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SCENE? NONE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENT BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MY MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

GET THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND THAT ENDS WITH US HERE TONIGHT.

THAT

[C. Case #Z22-00025 Public Hearing and Consideration for Rezoning from “A” Single Family Dwelling District to “PUD Z22-00025” Planned Unit Development for Covell Crossing, located on the southwest corner of Covell Road and Sooner Road. (Creighton Companies, LLC)]

THE PD ALSO COMMITS TO MEETING THE SENSITIVE BORDERS STANDARDS OF THE CITY AND FURTHER COMMITS TO A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A P D FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF COVELL AND SOONER ROAD.

UH, THIS SITE IS WHERE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS RECENTLY AMENDED SUB TWO SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL BY CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 28TH.

UH, THE SITE IS BOARDED BY TWO ARTERIALS COVE ON THE NORTH SOONER ON THE EAST.

UH, NORTH OF THIS SITE IS THE NEW CRES GROCERY STORE SITE.

UH, THE LEGACY DEVELOPMENT IS TO THE NORTHEAST, WHICH CONTAINS THE CONFERENCE CENTER AND MOVIE THEATER.

AMONG OTHER DEVELOPMENT ANTICIPATED, UH, RESIDENTIAL IS TO THE SOUTH AND WEST AND UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE EAST THAT IS PROJECTED AS MIXED USE IN THE FUTURE.

UH, THE P UD IS ONE TRACKED AND SITES E ONE RETAIL GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS THE BASE DISTRICT STANDARDS FOR THE SITE.

UH, THE P UD DOES PROHIBIT CERTAIN COMMERCIAL USES SUCH AS HOTEL, MOTEL, PRIVATE CLUBS, UH, MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES, VAPE SHOPS, ET CETERA.

AND LIMITS, UM, PUTS LIMITS ON WHERE CERTAIN USES CAN BE LOCATED ON THE SITE.

UH, DRIVE-THROUGHS CAN ONLY BE LOCATED IN THE NORTH 200 FEET.

UH, CONVENIENCE STORES OR FUEL CELLS CAN ONLY BE LOCATED ON THE HARD CORNER OF SOONER AND COVEL IN A 300 BY 300 FOOT BY 300 FOOT AREA.

IN ADDITION TO P D LIMITS THE BUSINESS HOURS FOR COMMERCIAL TENANTS.

A ABUDDING THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE FROM 5:00 AM TO 11:00 PM UH, THE SITE IS ADJACENT TO THE I 35 CORRIDOR, WHICH HAS HIGHER STANDARDS FOR LANDSCAPING AND BUILDING MATERIALS.

UH, THE P D COMMITS TO MEETING THOSE STANDARDS.

AS THIS SITE IS DEVELOPED, UH, THE P D COMMITS TO, UH, LIMITS ON THE HEIGHTS OF LIGHTING FIXTURES WITHIN A HUNDRED AND FEET, WITH 150 FEET OF THE SOUTH AND WEST BOUNDARIES AND LIMITS THOSE TO 15 FEET IN AN EFFORT TO REDUCE LIGHT POLLUTION.

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UH, OTHER SCREENING INCLUDES AN EIGHT FOOT TALL MASONARY OPAQUE FENCE, UH, WHERE THE SIDE OF BUTTS RESIDENTIAL USES.

UH, THE PED MASTER PLAN SHOWS THREE ENTRANCES ON THE COVE.

ONE AT AN EXIST AT AN EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UH, ONE AT AN ENTRY ONTO SOONER, ONE ENTRY ONTO SOONER.

THE PED COMMITS THE MEETING THE CITY OF ED STANDARDS FOR MOST OTHER THINGS LIKE SCIENCE SIDEWALKS AND PLATING.

UH, SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION SUPPORTS THE USES PROPOSED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

MR. INS, TO CLARIFY ON REFERENCE TO THE FENCE, YOU HAD INDICATED AN OPAQUE MASONRY FENCE, I BELIEVE.

WAS THAT ACCURATE? I THINK IT'S JUST OPAQUE.

OPAQUE.

I ADDED MASONRY IN THERE BY MYSELF.

UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF ON THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SCENE NINE.

WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? YEAH, BRIEFLY, DATA BOX LIVE 42 CALL COURT DRIVE.

UH, MR. THANKS FOR CATCHING THAT.

I'VE, MY CLIENT HAD A BIT OF A PANIC MOMENT THERE WHEN HE HEARD MASONRY.

UM, SO MR. S WALKED THROUGH, UH, A BUNCH OF OF DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THIS POD.

I'VE INCLUDED ALL OF YOU ON, UH, EMAILS WITH ALL THE VARIOUS REVISIONS.

SO ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UH, MR WORK WAS THAT THIS, UH, P U D WAS JUST SIMPLY A, A STANDARD E ONE P U D.

UH, OUR HOPE IS THAT ALL OF THE VARIOUS REVISIONS, UH, NOW TELLS US THAT THIS IS FAR FROM A STANDARD E ONE P U D.

WE HAVE MODIFIED USES.

UM, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NOT IN THE I 35 CORRIDOR TECHNICALLY, UH, WE HAVE REQUIRED THE SITE TO BE DEVELOPED UNDER THE I 35 CORRIDOR ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.

THE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS, UH, WE'VE DELETED USES, WE'VE LIMITED HOURS, WE'VE INCREASED LANDSCAPE BUFFERING.

UH, WE'VE LIMITED DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THE SOUTHERN 200 FEET OF THE, THE PROJECT WE'VE REQUIRED THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

UM, WE'VE DONE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK, UH, ARE PRUDENT TO DO WHEN YOU ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.

UH, KEEPING IN MIND THAT MANY OF THE THINGS THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE STILL ASKING US TO DO, UH, SIMPLY MAKE THIS SITE UNABLE TO BE DEVELOPED.

UM, THE FURTHER YOU PUSH THAT BUFFER, YOU REALLY, UH, CUT THIS SITE IN HALF.

SO WE HAVE PUSHED, UH, 30 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SOUTH, WHICH STILL ALLOWS US THE ADEQUATE CIRCULATION BEHIND THOSE BUILDINGS.

ANYTHING FURTHER THAN THAT, AND YOU REALLY ARE NO LONGER ABLE TO DEVELOP THE SOUTHERN PIECE, WHICH, UH, WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR US, BUT FRANKLY WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.

THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS SPENT SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC DOLLARS ON INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG COVE AND SOONER BOTH WATER, SEWER, WIDENING COVE, ALL OF WHICH TO ATTRACT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

UH, IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO NOT DEVELOP THAT SOUTHERN PIECE, WHAT YOU'D END UP WITH IS, FRANKLY A FAIRLY PEDESTRIAN STRIP CENTER.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS FOR THIS.

UM, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH MR. WORK.

ULTIMATELY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING.

UH, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU SAW THE EFFORT BEING MADE BY MY CLIENT AND REALIZED, UH, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS.

UH, THE MOST RECENT TODAY WAS PUSHING THE, THE FUEL SALE USE TO THAT NORTHEASTERN MOST CORNER, UH, AND LIMITED IT TO A 300 BY 300 BUCKS.

SO WHAT THAT HAS DONE IS ENSURE THAT IF A GAS STATION WERE TO APPEAR, UH, AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE AS FAR AWAY FROM ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES AS POSSIBLE.

CUZ OF COURSE, DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT HARD CORNER IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL, UH, USE.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD STOPS SHORT AT THAT.

AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SHOW IT FOR THAT.

YOU ALSO HAVE ON YOUR SCREEN THAT IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO HAVE IF THAT IMAGE REMAIN, WE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, CROSS SECTION.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT BASED UPON OUR SETBACKS, OUR LANDSCAPE BUFFERS THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE, WE BELIEVE THAT SIGHT LINES HAVE BEEN PROTECTED, UH, ARE ADJACENT TO, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

SO, UM, OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.

UH, AND IN SO DOING ALSO PROVIDE A COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORS THROUGH ALL THE VARIOUS CHANGES WE'VE MADE TO THIS P U D.

UH, SO I DO THINK IT'S A FAR CRY FROM JUST A STANDARD E ONE P U D AT THIS POINT, UH, WITH ALL THE LIMITATIONS PLACED THERE IN.

AND SO WITH THAT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE'D ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YEAH.

JUST A QUICK, UH, CLARIFICATION OF YOUR BUFFER AND YOUR SETBACK ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE SOUTH SIDE.

WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR FINAL PLAN ON THAT? SO ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'VE INCREASED, UH, THE BUFFER TO 30 FOOT.

UM, WHAT'S SHOWN ON THAT SITE PLAN IS YOU SEE A 60, UH, FOOT LINE THERE.

SO WE'VE INCREASED FROM 20 TO 30 ON THE WEST.

UH, YOU SEE THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE SET BACK FURTHER.

IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT OUR, UH, DETENTION FACILITY PERHAPS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE LOCATED THERE.

THAT'S WHY YOU, YOU SEE THAT, UM, KIND OF TRIANGLE SHAPED PIECE OF GREEN ON THE, ALONG THE WEST, ALONG THE WEST IS A, UH, SHOWN AS A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET UNTIL WE HAVE FULL DRAINAGE

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CALCULATIONS.

UH, IT'S NOT KNOWN EXACTLY WHAT THAT WESTERN SIDE LOOKS LIKE, BUT FOR CIRCULATION AND DETENTION, WE'VE SHOWN IT, UH, LIKE THAT.

SIDE, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND I DO WANNA MENTION ONE OTHER THING.

MY APOLOGIES.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT WAS RAISED BY MR. WORK WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD COMMIT THAT THE BUFFER WOULD BE UNDISTURBED.

UM, THE BUFFER CANNOT BE UNDISTURBED.

THE REASON BEING, WE HAVE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT GRAY DIFFERENTIAL, UM, ALONG VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THIS.

AND SO THERE WILL BE A RETAINING WALL TO SAY AN UNDISTURBED WOULD MEAN WE LITERALLY COULDN'T TOUCH THE TREES.

AND OF COURSE THERE IS A CHANCE WHEN WE HAVE TO DO THAT GRADING WORK THAT YOU GET INTO SOME OF THE ROOT BALLS AND THEREFORE SOME OF THOSE TREES DIE.

UH, BUT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER WILL BE 30 FEET.

TO SAY UNDISTURBED 30 FEET REALLY MEANS YOU'RE PUSHING OUT TO ALMOST A 60 FOOT BUFFER SO THAT YOU CAN ADEQUATELY ALLOW FOR THOSE 30 FEET TO NOT BE TOUCHED.

AND SO 30 FEET IS STILL GREATER THAN WHAT THE CODE WOULD REQUIRE.

UM, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHEN WE DO GRADING AND BUILD THAT RETAINING WALL, PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE TREES, UH, WOULD BE IMPACTED.

SO THAT'S WHY THE DISTINCTION IS, IT'S NOT UNDISTURBED, BUT IT IS A 30 FOOT BUFFER.

IS YOUR INTENTION TO GO AHEAD AND GROOM SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPE THAT'S BACK THERE TO GROOM UP THE TREES AND EVERYTHING AND THAT BUFFERS ZONE? ARE YOU JUST LEAVING IT AS IS? UNLESS YOU YEAH, UNLESS WE NEED TO.

CAUSE I, I THINK, UM, IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD RIGHT NOW.

UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE DISCUSSED TODAY, I DISCUSSED WITH MR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DISCUSSION ON THE FENCE IS KIND OF A TRICKY ONE SOMETIMES, UH, BECAUSE OF COURSE IF YOU GO AND PUT A FENCE IN, THERE'S NO WAY TO PUT A FENCE IN WITHOUT REMOVING THE TREES.

UM, SO WHAT WE'VE SHOWN IS, UM, THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTY, THE BUFFER, AND THEN A FENCE.

UM, SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP THE NEIGHBORS, UH, CUZ THERE'S NO WAY TO INSTALL A FENCE WITHOUT RIPPING THOSE TREES OUT WHEN YOU HAVE FOOTINGS AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.

SO, WELL, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT GRADING WORK ON THAT SITE JUST FROM THE CURRENT TOPOGRAPHY OF SURE.

SO IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE IN GENERAL.

SO YEAH, I, I THINK THAT THE CHALLENGE COULD, COULD END UP BEING A BENEFIT THOUGH, WITH THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE FENCE ON THE TOP OF THE VII WALL AND, AND HAVE ALL THAT GREEN SPACE.

WOULD ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR, AGAINST THIS PROJECT, MR. WORK? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS KELLY WORK AND MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 5 NORTH HUDSON, SUITE 3 0 4 OKLAHOMA CITY.

AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE AUGUSTA FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

AND, UM, IF POSSIBLE, COULD WE GET THE, THE, THAT AERIAL PHOTO PUT UP THAT THE SHOWS, THE LOCATION? I JUST WANNA, I KNOW WE WERE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL WHEN YOU CONSIDERED THE PLAN AMENDMENT BACK IN NOVEMBER, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO AGAIN REMIND EVERYONE.

SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, OF COURSE, IS HERE AT THE CORNER.

IT'S 15 ACRES.

THE, UM, AUGUSTA FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD IS THIS AREA THAT BORDERS ON THE WEST AND ON THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT CONSISTS OF 30 ACRES.

IT WAS PLATTED IS PLATTED AS 19 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A RURAL CHARACTER IN FEEL.

THEY DON'T HAVE FENCES DIVIDING THE LOTS THERE.

IT'S VERY OPEN.

UH, THE, UM, THE, UH, P U D THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE 15 ACRE TRACT AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, UH, DOES PROPOSE TO HAVE E ONE RETAIL COMMERCIAL AS IT'S, UH, BASE.

AND THEN IF POSSIBLE, COULD WE GET THE EXHIBIT TWO THAT WE HAD PROVIDED PUT UP? UH, SO HERE YOU SEE THE, UM, THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT HAS JUST BEEN OVERLAID ON THE 15 ACRE TRACT.

AND IT SHOWS HOW THE DEVELOPMENT COULD BE BUILT IN RELATION TO THE HOMES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THE, TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

SO THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENCE IS, IS THE, AT ITS CLOSEST POINT, IS ONLY ABOUT 25 FEET FROM THE BOUNDARY THERE, THE WEST BOUNDARY OF THE 15 ACRE TRACT.

AND, UM, UH, SO IT, IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE PROTECTION UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS P U D UH, FOR THESE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THERE IS A, YOU SEE THIS AS AN OPEN AREA HERE.

THERE IS ACTUALLY A 60 FOOT WIDE ON G PIPELINE EASEMENT THAT EXISTS ON THE, UH, RESIDENCE

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AND BASED ON THE TERMS OF THAT EASEMENT, OF COURSE THE NEIGHBORS ARE PREVENTED FROM PLANTING TREES WITHIN THAT 60 FOOT EASEMENT.

SO THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE A TREE BUFFER DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THEIR NORTHERN BOUNDARY.

ALONG THAT, UH, EASEMENT, THE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE E ONE RETAIL GENERAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ALLOWS THE WHOLE ARRAY OF RETAIL USES, INCLUDING RESTAURANTS, GROCERY STORES, FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, CONVENIENCE STORES, CAR WASHES, ALL WITH THE ASSOCIATED NOISE AND ODORS AND LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE AND TRAFFIC THAT, UH, GO WITH THOSE, UM, RETAIL COMMERCIAL TYPE USES.

NOW, JUST UNDER GENERALLY, UM, ACCEPTED LAND PLANNING PRINCIPLES, IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED ADVISABLE TO PUT E ONE RETAIL TYPE COMMERCIAL USES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

WHAT THE P U D PROCESS PROVIDES, HOWEVER, IS AN ABILITY TO TAILOR MAKE A, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE WHERE THE PROVISIONS OF THE P U D CAN, UH, ENSURE THAT THERE ARE ADEQUATE PROTECTIONS INCLUDED AND CONDITIONS ARE PUT IN PLACE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT FROM COMMERCIAL USES.

AND WE HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY IN INVOLVED IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT.

UH, THEY HAVE MOST RECENTLY REVISED THE P U D ON THE 4TH OF DECEMBER, AND AGAIN ON THE 5TH OF DECEMBER, WE JUST RECEIVED AFTER 5:00 PM LAST NIGHT, THE LATEST REVISED, UH, DRAFT OF THE P U D.

UH, WE RESPONDED TO THAT, UM, LITTLE AFTER NINE O'CLOCK THIS MORNING.

UH, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT TO TRY TO REACH A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.

WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND RECOGNIZE THAT THE SITE IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES, BUT WE ONLY GET ONE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DONE CORRECTLY.

AND THAT IS IN CONNECTION WITH THIS, UH, REZONING PROCESS BECAUSE AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, THE P U D IS GOING TO DETERMINE, UH, THE USES AND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WILL APPLY GOING FORWARD AS THIS PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED.

AND ALTHOUGH WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS AND WE HAVE MADE CONCESSIONS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT, UH, TOWARD, UH, THE, UH, TRYING TO MEET THE APPLICANT'S DESIRES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THERE IS MORE THAT IS REQUIRED IN OUR VIEW AND WE NEED THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ASSISTANCE TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, ADDITIONAL NECESSARY CONDITIONS ARE PUT IN PLACE IN THE P U D THAT WILL ALLOW THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO GO FORWARD, BUT TO, UM, HAVE IT BE DONE IN A WAY THAT WOULD PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO JUST BRIEFLY, UH, PASS OUT A, UM, LIST OF THE REQUESTED REVISIONS THAT AT THIS TIME, UM, WE FEEL ARE STILL NEEDING TO BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE P U D.

CONSISTS MOSTLY OF NATIVE OAK AND, UH, WE, AND IT PROVIDES A SIGNIFICANT TREE CANOPY THERE AND A SIGNIFICANT SCREEN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE, UH, 15 ACRE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THE PRINCIPLE ISSUE, OF COURSE AT THIS POINT, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, IS THIS ISSUE OF THE MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S AN ADEQUATE BUFFER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL USES AND THE RESIDENCES ALONG THE BOUNDARY.

AND, UM, WE, UM, MR. BOX MADE REFERENCE TO THE P U D NOW PROVIDING THAT THERE WOULD BE A 30 FOOT, UH, LANDSCAPED AREA ALONG THE, UH, SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.

INCIDENTALLY, THEY HAVE ONLY PROVIDED THAT ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, NOT ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.

IN OUR VIEW.

UH, THAT COMMITMENT SHOULD BE MORE, IT SHOULD REQUIRE THAT THEY, UM, DO A, UM, HAVE THAT BE AN UNDISTURBED GREEN BELL AREA.

AS IS NOTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE IS A STAND OF CROSS TIMBERS ON THIS PROPERTY.

AND, UH, AND IT IS ALONG THE BOUNDARY IN PARTICULAR BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THERE ARE IS A, UH, IT IS

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UH, IN OUR VIEW, IT IS APPROPRIATE AND IT SHOULD BE THE OBJECTIVE OF US ALL TO TRY TO PRESERVE THAT TREE CANOPY THAT IS THERE TODAY AND PROVIDING A SCREEN FROM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THIS, UH, PLANNING FOR THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

IN OUR VIEW, PRESERVING THAT EXISTING TREE CANOPY IS CRITICAL TO PROTECTING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALL OF THE HOMES IN THE AUGUSTA FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE TWO STORIES.

THEY ALL HAVE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA, UM, BE LOOKING OUT ONTO THIS, UH, TREE CANOPY IF WE CAN PRESERVE IT.

AND ALL WE'RE ASKING IS THAT THE TREES WITHIN THAT 30 FOOT, UH, BOUNDARY.

AND WE NEED IT ALSO TO INCLUDE THE WEST BOUNDARY BECAUSE AS I POINTED OUT, THERE IS AN EXISTING HOME ON THE WEST SIDE THAT'S JUST 25 FEET AT ITS CLOSEST POINT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, FROM ITS EAST PROPERTY LINE AND WHERE IT BORDERS THIS, UH, PROPOSED COMMERCIAL TRACT.

SO, UM, WE NEED THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S HELP, UH, TO PERSUADE THE APPLICANT THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION TO PRESERVE, PRESERVE THOSE EXISTING TREES.

AND, UH, THEY'RE, I GUESS BECAUSE THEY MAY BE PERHAPS NOT AS FAR ALONG AS THEY, UH, WOULD BE LATER IN THEIR PLANNING, BUT WE THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THEM TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT THOSE TREES, UH, NEED TO BE PRESERVED IN ORDER TO PROTECT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE TWO OTHER POINTS THERE THAT I WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY MENTION, UH, AND THEN WE HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF AGREEMENTS ON OTHER POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AS PART OF THE P U D.

SO WE HAVE WORKED TO NARROW OUR DIFFERENCES, BUT UH, WE NEED THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL'S HELP, UH, TO, UM, GET TO THE FINISH.

UH, THE, THE SECOND POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT THE, UM, WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LIMIT THE, UM, DRIVE THROUGH AND DRIVE IN RESTAURANTS AND CAR WASHES, WHICH HAD A LOT OF NOISE AND SPEAKERS, OUTDOOR SPEAKERS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THE APPLICANT HAD AGREED TO PROHIBIT THOSE TYPES OF USES WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.

WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT LIMIT ALSO APPLIED TO THE WESTERN BOUNDARY BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT, UM, EXISTING RESIDENCE THERE.

AND ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ANOTHER RES RESIDENCE JUST TO THE SOUTH OFF OF THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER.

UM, THE OTHER POINT, AND THIS ALSO RELATES TO THAT WESTERN BOUNDARY, THE UM, THE P U D NOW HAS A PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT THE, UM, COMMERCIAL TENANTS THAT AB BUT THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY WOULD LIMIT THEIR OPERATING HOURS BETWEEN 5:00 AM AND TO 11:00 PM AND WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING THAT THAT SAME LIMIT ALSO BE APPLIED TO THE COMMERCIAL TENANTS.

THAT WOULD BE A BUDDING THE WESTERN BOUNDARY, THAT THEIR OPERATING HOURS BE LIMITED FROM 5:00 AM TO 11:00 PM BUT, AND I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THE DETENTION IS GONNA BE LOCATED ON THAT WESTERN PROPERTY LINE OR IN THAT AREA JUST BECAUSE THE, IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE LOW POINT OF THE PROPERTY IS AT THE EAST SIDE.

THERE ACTUALLY IS A FLOOD, UH, PLANE AND FLOODWAY THAT EXTENDS ACROSS THE PROPERTY RUNNING ALONG, UH, SOONER ROAD AT THAT POINT.

SO I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE DETENTION IN THAT AREA ALONG THE WEST.

SO THOSE ARE THE PRINCIPLE ISSUES THAT WE, UH, HAVE NARROWED OUR DIFFERENCES DOWN TO.

THE MOST CRITICAL ONE IN OUR VIEW, AS I MENTIONED, IS THIS ISSUE ABOUT, UH, PROVIDING, UH, AND PRESERVING THOSE EXISTING TREES AS A BUFFER BOTH ON THE SOUTH BOUNDARY AND ON THE WEST BOUNDARY.

AND WE'RE ONLY ASKING THAT IT BE DONE FOR 30 FEET.

THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL HAVE APPROVED OF OTHER PEDS THAT HAVE PROVIDE PROVIDED BUFFERS THAT ARE MUCH GREATER, INCLUDING THE NORTHEAST CORNER AT COAL TRAIN

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AND DANFORTH, WHICH IS DONE WITH THE P U D.

IT WAS A LITTLE SMALLER THAN THIS SITE, 12.25 ACRES.

IT PROVIDES A 100 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH BOUNDARY AND ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY.

SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT.

WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GET AN EFFECTIVE SCREEN, VISUAL SCREEN FOR THESE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS.

WE DIDN'T COME TO THEM, THEY'VE COME TO US.

THERE'S AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO PLAN FOR AND ACCOMMODATE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE HOMES THERE THAT ARE PEOPLE LIVING THERE AND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ADEQUATE PROTECTION.

AND WE'VE GOT IT IN PLACE ALREADY WITH THAT EXISTING TREE COVER AND WE JUST WANT TO PRESERVE A SLIM PORTION OF IT SO THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT VISUAL BARRIER BETWEEN US AND THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THE RESIDENTS FROM AUGUSTA FARMS THAT DO WANT TO MAKE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

DO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. WORK AT THIS POINT IN TIME? THANK YOU.

LIKE SPEAKING AMERICAN INVESTORS IN THE PUBLIC, OKAY, I'M LITTLE NERVOUS.

MR. WORK.

UH, WOULD ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT? IF SO, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

IDENTIFY YOURSELVES, MA'AM, IF YOU WANNA START FIRST AND WE'LL JUST WORK OUR WAY DOWN THE LINE.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

MY NAME'S VENA KANA.

I'M A PHYSICIAN BY PROFESSION AND I'VE BEEN LIVING IN AUGUSTA FARMS FOR ALMOST 24 YEARS.

UM, I HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING SOME OF THE UNITS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THIS P D AS A MOTHER, AS A GRANDMOTHER, AS A PEDIATRICIAN, MY CONCERNS AND WORRY ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF A GAS STATION, SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO MY RESIDENTS, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE, AND THE SIGNIFICANT HEALTH HAZARDS THAT WE ALL KNOW CAN OCCUR FROM GAS STATIONS BEING VERY CLOSE TO RESIDENTS AND HOMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE KIDS, YOUNG KIDS, KIDS UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE.

AND I KNOW THESE HEALTH HAZARDS CAN OCCUR DESPITE FOLLOWING ALL BUILDING CODES AND CONCERNS AND PRECAUTIONS QUESTIONS'.

UM, GAS STATIONS ARE KNOWN TO EMIT COMPOUNDS CALLED VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS FROM GASOLINE VAPORS.

THESE COMPOUNDS ARE MULTIPLE BENZENE, TOIN XYLENE AND THE INTERNATIONAL AGENCY FOR RESEARCH ON CANCER CLASSIFIES BENNE AS A CARCINOGEN STUDIES MULTIPLE STUDIES HAVE LINKED IT TO INCREASED RISK OF DEVELOPING CANCERS, ESPECIALLY CHILDHOOD LEUKEMIA IN CHILDREN.

AND THE CLOSER A GAS STATION IS TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, THE HIGHER IS THE RISK OF THESE POTENTIAL HEALTH HAZARDS.

DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYBODY GETS IT, BUT YEAH, THAT CAN HAPPEN.

AND ONE STUDY CITED THAT 525 FEET DISTANCE WAS, COULD BE SIGNIFICANT FOR BENZENE EXPOSURE.

IN OKLAHOMA, THE HOT SUMMERS ARE PRETTY INTENSE TRIPLE DIGIT WEATHERS.

WHEN YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE GAS EMISSIONS COMING, THEY CAN, THE HOT WEATHER CAN FACILITATE MORE OZONE PARTICLE FORMATION, AND OF COURSE THAT LEADS TO OZONE POLLUTION.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT GAS STATION THAT ENCLOS PROXIMITY TO HOMES IS THERE MAY BE SPILLS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

THAT WOULD HAPPEN NO MATTER WHETHER THERE'S AN ACTUAL GAS SPILL OR IF SOMEBODY'S FILLING A GAS OR THE GAS TANKER COMES AT NIGHT TO, TO FILL UP THE, THE TANKS.

THEY CAN BE.

SOME STUDIES HAVE ESTIMATED THAT THEY CAN BE ABOUT 40 GALLONS OF GASOLINE SPILLS PER YEAR FROM A GAS STATION.

THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALL TREES.

I MEAN, IN FACT, THAT WHOLE, UH, UH, THAT'S WOULD BE OUR NORTHERN BORDER.

THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS ALL TREES.

CUTTING DOWN THE TREES IS GOING TO ELIMINATE THE BENEFICIAL EFFECT OF TREES THAT HAVE ON POLLUTION.

THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT ALL THESE EMISSIONS AND SPILLS THAT COULD HAPPEN FROM THE GAS STATION CAN FLOW DOWN INTO THE AUGUSTA FARM HOMES.

AUGUSTA FARMS IS SORT OF AT A LOWER LEVEL THAN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE ALL DOWNHILL AND EVERYTHING GOES DOWNHILL.

AND AS YOU KNOW, VOLATILE GASES ARE HEAVY.

THEY'RE GOING TO STAY DOWN THERE.

AND ALL THOSE HOMES THAT ARE ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER DEVELOPMENT HAVE GOT KIDS, KIDS UNDER FIVE KIDS THAT CAN BE EXPOSED TO ALL THESE

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HARMFUL CHEMICALS.

UM, I KNOW THE, UH, PLAN FOR THE GAS STATION IS GOING TO BE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE, UM, PROPERTY.

UM, THE COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE SERVICES RECOMMEND AT LEAST 500 FEET SEPARATION FROM THE NEAREST HOME TO A GAS STATION OR WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THE GAS TAX.

THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD RECOMMENDS AT LEAST 300 FEET BETWEEN A GAS STATION AND ANY SENSITIVE LAND USERS SUCH AS RESIDENCES, SCHOOLS, PARKS, STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK DEVELOPING A PIECE OF LAND IN A PROPER WAY THAT IS SENSITIVE TO THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS THAT SURROUND IT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY APPRECIATED AND SAFEGUARDING THE HEALTH OF RESIDENTS AND ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

I REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS SERIOUSLY WHILE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS ON THE PERIOD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

MA'AM, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S GAIL HAMMER.

I LIVE AT 4,000 RED DEER CROSSING IN AUGUSTA FARMS. UM, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT UNDISTURBED GREEN BELT BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE CITY OF EDMOND WHY THEY'RE APPROVING THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT MEANS TAX SCHOLARS.

BUT I HOPE YOU COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR US.

WE HAVE MILLION DOLLAR HOMES AND THIS IS GONNA BE OUR BACKYARD NEIGHBORS NOW.

UM, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THAT'S ALL TREE AND WE HAVE DEER.

I HAVE 10 DEER IN MY YARD EVERY DAY AND IT'S, IT'S JUST GOING TO CHANGE.

UM, IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND WHEN I WAS AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ON NOVEMBER 28TH, THEY APPROVED $94,723 FOR UM, DAVY RESOURCE GROUP TO DO, UM, CONDUCT A FOREST COMPOSITION AND ANALYSIS STUDY BECAUSE THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS DECIDED THAT THE CITY, THE CITIZENS A TOP PRIORITY IS TREES.

AND WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING OUT ALL OUR TREES.

IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.

WE LOST, WHEN THEY WIDENED COVELL, WE LOST EVERY SINGLE TREE THAT WAS IN FRONT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DON'T HAVE ONE TREE IN FRONT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG COVELL.

WE LOST ALL THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S DEVELOPING, BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF SAD.

UM, ALSO, NO MATTER HOW ATTRACTIVE, UM, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS, THE BACKYARD BACK OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NOT, NOT VERY PRETTY.

I SENT ALL OF YOU A LETTER AND SHOWED YOU PICTURES OF OTHER STRIP MALLS, EVEN SPRING CREEK PLAZA, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL, UH, SHOPPING CENTER IN EDMOND.

THE BACK OF IT IS UGLY WITH BIG DUMPSTERS AND EVERYTHING.

WE DON'T WANNA SEE THAT FROM OUR HOMES.

AND I HOPE THAT MAYBE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS, UM, TREES ARE REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR LOTS OF REASONS.

THEY INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES EVEN FOR COMMERCIAL, UH, AREAS.

UM, THEY REDUCE CRIME.

THEY, UM, IT HELPS REDUCE NOISE.

IT PREVENTS EROSION.

AND THEY'VE EVEN PROVEN THAT WHEN STREETS ARE TREE-LINED, THAT PEOPLE DRIVE SLOWER.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MUCH TRUTH TO THAT, BUT, UM, AND ALSO THEY HELP POLLUTION.

AND ONE THING, ONE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE WAS AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD HERE, MR. BOX SAID THAT THE CITIZENS IN AUGUSTA FARMS WERE NOT THAT INTERESTED IN THE FIRST MEETING THAT HE HAD BECAUSE ONLY THREE RESIDENTS SHOWED UP.

WELL, ONLY FOUR RESIDENTS RECEIVED THE LETTER.

I DID NOT RECEIVE A LETTER.

AND I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE PROFESSIONALS.

LIKE TWO OF THEM I KNOW ARE OUT OF TOWN AND NOT HERE TONIGHT CUZ THEY'RE AWAY ON BUSINESS TRIPS.

SO NOT EVERYBODY CAN COME ON A SPECIFIC NIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE A MEETING, BUT THE REASON ONLY THREE RESIDENTS SHOWED UP TO YOUR MEETING WAS BECAUSE ONLY FOUR RECEIVED LETTERS.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

IF YOU'RE COM

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, I'M COME FROM CHINA.

MY NAME IS A PHONE I LIVE IN FOUR ZERO ONE FIFTEEN.

THAT'S THE HOUSE AFFECTED THE MOST.

I WANNA SHOW YOU BECAUSE I SUPPORT, UH, I'M NOT HAVE A TOO MUCH EXTRA IDEA.

WILL YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN? BUT I WANNA SHOW YOU.

CAN YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN? I'M SORRY.

I WANNA SHOW YOU THE PICTURE.

THAT'S MY BACKYARD.

THAT'S ONE OAK.

THAT'S ONE OLD PIPELINE.

WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING.

AND IF HE CUTED ALL THE TREES, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO I WANNA SHOW YOU FROM MY SECOND FLOOR, I SEE HI GARDEN ON TOP, THE ROOF OF THE HI GARDEN IF HE CUT THE TREES AND WE SEE OU BUILDING ALL THE ROOF OF HIS NEW DEVELOPMENT FROM MY SECOND FLOOR.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE NO BODY ABOUT THE LAW.

I HAVE NO BODY LOT ABOUT A CITY REQUIREMENT, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN SEE OLD, LIKE A BUILDING, LIKE A RESTAURANT OR WHAT DO YOU CALL, UH, CLOSING STORE? LIKE A WASH STORE OR CAR WASH OR, UH, OIL STATION.

GAS STATION.

I DON'T KNOW.

FROM MY HOUSE I CAN SEE.

OH.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK WE DID A, YOU NEED A TREE TO PROTECT THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS VERY, VERY TALL.

THAT'S ALMOST ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HOUSE IN EDMOND.

THAT'S A STUDENT VOTE.

THE STUDENT COME TO MY HOUSE.

THEY, THEY CHOOSE A FIVE.

THEY SAY YOU ARE THE ONE OF THE FIVE.

SO THAT'S, I WANNA SHOW YOU THAT AND ALSO WANNA SHOW YOU THAT'S THE, UH, THIS, THE WORK.

UH, SO THAT'S THE PIPELINE FROM SOONER TO HER HOUSE, RIGHT? WE CAN, PEOPLE CAN RUN.

YOU SEE, I CAN SEE THE CAR.

I TAKE THE, I TOOK THE PICTURE FROM MY BACKYARD, THE CAR, AND SOONER PEOPLE CAN RUN FROM THAT POINT TO MY BACKYARD.

WITHIN A MINUTE MY HUSBAND ALREADY ASKED ME LEARN HOW TO SHOOT A GUN BECAUSE THE PEOPLE MAY RUN FROM OVER THERE AND FIGHT FOR THE TOUR.

I DON'T KNOW IF I KILL THEM OR THEY KILL ME, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

SO THAT'S WHAT MAKE ME, I REALLY CANNOT SLEEP.

I KNOW THAT'S A MAYBE NOT A YOUR GUYS BUSINESS IF I CAN SLEEP OR NOT, BUT I, I BELIEVE I COME TO UNITED STATES, EVERY PEOPLE'S LIFE IS MEANINGFUL, IS USEFUL, AND YOU HAVE TO RESPECT EVERY PEOPLE'S.

OKAY, I'M SO FREE.

SO FREE.

SO MY QUESTION IS, I DID THOSE TREES.

I DID A BERRY.

OKAY, I DID A B I DID, I DID.

AT LEAST NOT LET ME SEE THOSE ROOFS.

I GUESS I NEED TO RAISE THIS UP.

I EVEN CAN SEE HILTON.

SO IF YOU CAN BUILD HIGHER THAN HI, MAYBE I CANNOT SEE IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHAT I SEE.

I, UM, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MY NAME'S Y YOUNG.

I LIVE IN AUGUST FARM FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.

UH, I ALSO HAVE CONCERN THIS NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPING THAT LOCATION SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE GAS STATION, UH, IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND NUMBER OF THE EARTHQUAKE HAVE INCREASED IN AN AREA SIGN SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND SOME OF THE EPICENTERS ACTUALLY NOT VERY FAR FROM THE I 35, JUST THE EAST OF THE I 35 AND THE MAGNITUDE UP TO A 4.0 IF THE GAS STATION WAS A BUILDING THERE.

AND IF THE NEXT EARTHQUAKE COME AND WE ALL HAVE SOME DAMAGE TO OUR HOUSE AND THE, LIKE THE CRACK WALLS IF NEXT EARTHQUAKE COME AND THE DAMAGE THE UNDERGROUND GAS, GASOLINE STORAGE TANK AND COULD RESULT IN THE LEAKAGE AND THAT COULD BE CONTAMINATED GROUNDWATER.

AND WE ALL DEPEND ON, ON ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DEPEND ON THAT'S OUR DRINKING WATER.

AND I WOULD LIKE THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, ISSUE.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL CONCERN WHAT'S THE SURROUNDING WITH, WITH THAT.

BUT THAT COULD BE A POTENTIALLY A HAZARD FOR US.

SIR, I BELIEVE YOU WERE WANTING TO SAY SOMETHING OR YOU, I GUESS MR. MOORE.

I THOUGHT ,

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UH, MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, ED MOORE, UH, EDNA NEIGHBORHOOD ALLIANCE REALLY KIND OF SHOCKED THAT, UH, WE WON'T PUT THIS INTENSITY, UH, NEXT TO ONE OF OUR PREMIER NEIGHBORHOODS.

YOU KNOW, E ONE, IF I UNDERSTAND RIGHT, IS THE HIGHEST COMMERCIAL INTENSITY THAT WE ARE ALLOWED IN EDMOND, AND WE WON'T PUT THIS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ONE OF OUR PREMIER NEIGHBORHOODS.

UH, ANOTHER THING THAT, UH, THAT SEEMED TO ME, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WAS, UH, DOING THE, THE PLAN 2018 AND, UH, PETE REER ASKED, DOES THE PLAN 2018 AFFECT ZONING? AND THE ANSWER BACK WAS NO.

WELL, AS A RESULT OF TIME AND PUD AFTER PUD, WE SEE THAT IT, IT THE 2018 PLAN AND PUD, AFTER PUD DOES EXACTLY THIS, PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY KNEW THAT THIS WAS ZONE RESIDENTIAL AND NOW WE WANT BRING THIS UP TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL AND E ONE.

AND I JUST WONDER, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IN, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF GIVE THEMSELVES AWAY, I THINK, OH, SOMETHING ELSE.

I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH OF THIS IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.

THEY MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT SOMEBODY TOLD ME HOW MUCH OF THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.

UH, SOMEBODY SAID THAT IT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS FOR CERTAIN, WE HAVEN'T SEEN A FLOOD PLAIN, UH, MAP.

I DON'T KNOW WHY, WHY WE HAVEN'T SEEN A FLOOD PLAIN MAP.

BUT, UH, MAYBE THERE'S NO IMPACT FROM A FLOOD PLAIN.

UH, BUT THE, UM, WELL I MAY MAYBE FORGET WHAT, WHAT THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD WAS, UH, UM, OH, AND SAY I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I KNOW THIS ISN'T A SIDE PLAN, BUT I, I'M LOOKING AT THAT, UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE VERY SOUTHEAST CORNER, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES LOOK LIKE A, UH, TO ME JUST LOOKING THE ROUGH LINE.

AND I GUESS I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, FROM THE ROOFS THERE.

THAT DOES LOOK, AND IT WAS MENTIONED, THIS MIGHT BE A GAS STATION AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'D WANT A 24 HOUR GAS STATION ON A CORNER THIS CLOSE TO A, LIKE I SAY, A PREMIER AND, AND IF THEY'LL GO BY RULES THAT THEY'LL, YOU KNOW.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT THE, UH, I JUST WONDER IF I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF A SEVEN 11 GOING BY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, CLOSING DOWN FOR CERTAIN HOURS.

AND I, UH, UM, ANYWAY, I JUST QUE QUESTION THAT.

AND THE IMPACT IT HAS, PARTICULARLY ON A, WHAT I CONSIDER A VERY PREMIER, PREMIER NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAPPEN TO LIVE FAIRLY CLOSE TO THIS AREA AND I'M ALWAYS AMAZED, UH, WHEN I HAD TO TEAR DOWN THE GATE FOR COLVILLE TO BE DEVELOPED, THEY HAD TO TEAR DOWN ALL THE, TO TEAR OUT ALL THE TREES.

SO, UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DAMAGE YOU CAN ALL DO TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THIS YEAR YOU DON'T NEED TO ADD TO IT.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YES, SIR.

IF YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

I'VE MA HUETTER AND MY WIFE JONATHAN AND I, WE LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE AND THAT'S THE ONE AREA WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A BUFFER.

AND I CAN TELL YOU I GOT A RETENTION WALL THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 10, 15 FEET, UH, TALL ON MY EAST SIDE.

IF I'M GONNA HAVE THIS ON TOP OF THAT WITHOUT THE BUFFER, THEY'RE GONNA BE RIGHT INTO MY, MY, UH, MY BACKYARD.

UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY HIGHER THAN I AM, SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE AT LEAST GET THE BUFFER ALSO ON THAT WEST SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S IT.

ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT? C? NONE MR. BOX.

I THINK THE, UH, UH, CONSISTENT ISSUES THAT I'VE HEARD ARE ONE CONCERNS REGARDING THE FILLING STATION, POTENTIAL LEAKAGE USAGE, ET CETERA, UH, AND, AND WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT CORNER.

AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE CONSISTENCY OF THE SAME 30 FOOT BUFFER ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY.

UH, AND

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IF THERE WERE OTHER ISSUES BESIDES GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY AND PEOPLE WONDERING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD RANDOMLY, I'M NOT VERY SURE THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

YES.

HOLD ON.

UM, YES, AND I ALSO TOOK NOTES.

I DO WANT TO CLARIFY.

MR. MOORE, UM, IS INCORRECT.

OF COURSE, E ONE IS NOT THE MOST INTENSE COMMERCIAL, UM, DESIGNATION THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS.

SO IT, IT, WE ARE E ONE, WHICH IS, UH, SOMETHING LESS THAN WHAT IS THE MOST INTENSE.

BUT AGAIN, THROUGH THE PUD, WE'VE TAKEN OUT USES, WE'VE ADDED RESTRICTIONS, WE'VE DONE ALL THESE THINGS TO, TO TRY TO ACHIEVE COMPATIBILITY.

UM, SO MR. WORK HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, HE'D BE SURPRISED TO LEARN IF THEIR DETENTION WAS NEEDED THERE.

WHAT MR. GRS, WHO'S A CIVIL ENGINEER TELLS ME IS THE CENTER OF THE SITE IS ACTUALLY THE HIGH POINT AND IT FALLS OFF BOTH, UH, BOTH EAST AND WEST.

UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU MARK, WE WE COULD AGREE TO A 30 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE WEST IF DETENTION COULD BE PLACED WITHIN THAT 30 FEET.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE 30 FOOT ON THE, THE SOUTH, WE CAN AGREE TO A 30 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE WEST THAT WOULD BE LANDSCAPED IF WE CAN ALSO AGREE THAT WITHIN THAT 30 FEET, UM, DETENTION IF NECESSARY COULD BE PLACED WITHIN THAT, UH, WHICH WOULD GIVE US THAT CONSISTENT 30 FEET IN TERMS OF, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU FOR A MINUTE? OH, YES SIR.

SO WOULD THAT, IS THAT PART OF THE, UH, 30 FEET THERE? YES, THAT'S BUFFER.

THAT'S MORE, THEY IN 30 FEET THERE.

IF YOU LOOK ALONG THE SOUTH, THAT IS 30 FEET.

SO THAT GIVES YOU PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT 30 FEET WOULD BE.

UM, SO WE CAN AGREE TO MATCH AND HAVE A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO OUR WEST WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT DETENTION THAT'S REQUIRED WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE WITHIN SAID BUFFER.

YEAH, BECAUSE THAT THE, THE PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE.

YES, SIR.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST.

SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION TO THE APPLICANT? UH, JUST ONE QUESTION.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE GAS STATION, I'LL TAKE IT IN TWO PARTS.

THE, THE FIRST PART BEING CONTAMINANTS AND, AND POLLUTION.

SO GAS STATIONS ARE GONNA BE REGULATED BY CORPORATION COMMISSION, O D E Q.

UM, ALL OF THOSE AGENCIES WILL HAVE TO BE COORDINATED WITH AND ENSURE THAT ALL OF THEIR STATE REGULATIONS ARE ADHERED TO, UH, AT ALL TIMES.

IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT IS THERE, THERE REALLY IS NOT A GAS STATION ANYWHERE IN THIS AREA.

AND IT IS GROWING FAST.

IT'S, UH, BECOMING A COMMERCIAL, UH, HUB FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.

IT'S RIGHT OFF A MAJOR INTERCHANGE OFF OF I 35.

UM, IT IS AN AREA THAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO ATTRACT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SPENDING MONEY.

AND THE ONE THING FRANKLY DOESN'T HAVE IS A GAS STATION.

SO I DO THINK THAT IT IS AN APPROPRIATE USE.

STAFF AGREES IN THAT THEY DID NOT, UH, ASK US TO TAKE IT OUT AND THEY ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS TO PUSH IT AS FAR AWAY FROM ALL OF THE RESIDENCES AS POSSIBLE.

COULD STAFF DISPLAY THE AERIAL IMAGE AGAIN, PLEASE? SO BY PUSHING IT TO THE, THE FAR NORTHEASTERNMOST, UH, PORTION OF THE SITE AT MR. MANNOCK FOR THE LAST TIME, CAN I BORROW YOUR, UH, POINT? THANK YOU.

UM, SO AS I MENTIONED THIS, THIS SITE RIGHT HERE IS NOT DEVELOPED WITH A, WITH A HOME, RIGHT? SO WE'VE PUSHED IT UP TO THIS CORNER, WHICH GETS US AS FAR AWAY FROM ANY RESIDENCE AS POSSIBLE.

AND IN ADDITION, THIS BACK PIECE IS GONNA BE DEVELOPED.

SO IT'S BUFFERED FROM THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

IT WILL BE ULTIMATELY BUFFERED BY BUILDINGS AND PUT INTO PLACE, UH, THAT IS AS COMPATIBLE AS POSSIBLE IF WE BELIEVE THE USE IS APPROPRIATE.

AND AGAIN, WE BELIEVE IT IS GIVEN THE NATURE OF WHAT THIS AREA HAS HAS BECOME.

UM, AND YOU MENTIONED THE TOPOGRAPHY DOES SLOPE TOWARDS HOW YOU BELIEVE.

YES.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE NOISE AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.

OF COURSE, THAT'S WHY EDMUND HAS THE SENSITIVE BORDER STANDARD.

SO YOUR, YOUR CODE CONTEMPLATES COMMERCIAL USES NEXA RESIDENTIAL AND REQUIRES THIS THE SENSITIVE BORDER STANDARD.

SO NOT ONLY DO WE NOT SEEK TO REMOVE OURSELF FROM THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE SENSITIVE BORDER ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.

SO WE, WE ARE EXCEEDING, IN MY OPINION, THE SENSITIVE ORDER STANDARD, UH, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO ENSURE A COMPATIBLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO, TO PEOPLE WANDERING.

OF COURSE, UH, THAT'S SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.

UH, NOW OUR SITE WILL BE SECURED.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE, WE'VE DONE IS IT, IT WILL BE WELL LIT BUT IN A MANNER WE HOPE CONSISTENT.

THEY PROVIDED SOME SUGGESTED LANGUAGE ON LIGHTING, WE AGREED TO THAT.

SO OUR LIGHTS ARE GONNA BE LIMITED IN HEIGHT WITHIN THAT FIRST 150 FEET.

UH, AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER STEP I THINK TOWARDS COMPATIBILITY.

UH, MR. VICE CHAIR, DID I ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD IDENTIFIED? I BELIEVE YOU DID.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY

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SO HAVING A C STORE IS, UH, UH, NON-NEGOTIABLE? YES.

WE, WE WANT THE ABILITY TO HAVE IT.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AREA, THERE IS NOTHING, UH, OVER THERE.

IN FACT, ONE OF OUR FIRST MEETINGS, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS SAID IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A GAS STATION HERE.

I JUST WISH IT WAS ACROSS THE STREET ON ANOTHER CORNER.

UM, SO I THINK FROM A USE PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THIS AREA, I DO THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND SO IF WE THINK IT MAKES SENSE, THEN WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WE NEED TO PROPERLY SCREEN IT AND PROPERLY PUT IT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE ANYWHERE NEAR A RESIDENCE.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE P UD.

MR. WORK AS A GENERAL RULE, WE TYPICALLY, AS YOU'RE AWARE, DO NOT ALLOW, UH, COMMENTS TWICE.

BUT WE WILL MAKE AN EXCEPTION AS YOU ARE HERE THIS TIME.

WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE LIMIT THOSE COMMENTS.

YES SIR.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

I JUST, THERE'S JUST ONE CLARIFICATION THAT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE JUST TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S CLEAR.

UM, WE'VE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

MR. BOX IS NOW INDICATING THEY COULD COMMIT TO A BUFFER ALONG THE WEST SIDE UNDER THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OF THE P U D.

THEY WOULD, WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO PRESERVE ANY TREE ON THE PROPERTY THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO HAVE REQUIRED WITHIN THIS 30 FOOT AREA ALONG THE SOUTH BOUNDARY AND ALONG THE WEST BOUNDARY.

WE'VE GOT A TREMENDOUS STAND OF MATURE TREES THAT PROVIDE A WONDERFUL BUFFER BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT THOSE TREES WITHIN THIS 30 FOOT AREA BE MAINTAINED.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE CRITICAL DISTINCTION I THINK WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT.

THANK YOU SIR.

AND I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO LEAVE THE WORD LANDSCAPE OUT IT.

YES IT WILL ON THE WEST.

IT WILL ALSO BE A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

OKAY, WELL, UM, ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE WORKING TOGETHER BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS AND, UH, IT UH, DOESN'T, I GUESS DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THE VOTE GOES TONIGHT, UH, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT EVERYTHING ENDS HERE.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 9TH OF JANUARY AS A RESULT OF THE HOLIDAYS.

AND SO BASED UPON THE PROGRESS YOU ALL HAVE MADE THUS FAR, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IF UH, EVERYONE'S NEEDS AND DESIRES ARE NOT MET, THAT THERE WILL BE CONTINUED NEGOTIATIONS BEFORE THAT MATTER IS HEARD BEFORE THE COUNCIL.

IN SAYING THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? WELL, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE'S ALSO A SIDE PLAN APPROVAL THAT WILL, YOU GUYS WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS TREES AS WELL.

I MEAN, SO, BUT WHAT I'M CLEARING THOUGH, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR FROM BOTH SIDES, IS YOU WANT AN UNDISTURBED PERIOD.

SO IF HE NICKS A ROUTE, HE NOW IS VI I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT PART OUT CUZ THAT'S, THAT'S A HOT DENSELY FOREST AREA I WOULD DRIVE OUT EVERY DAY.

I LOVE IT.

IT'S GREAT.

UM, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO LEAVE IT UNDISTURBED CUZ HOW FAR OUT DO YOU HAVE TO GO AND IF YOU KILL A TREE, YOU VIOLATED THE RULES AND SO, SO OUR ESTIMATE, SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE.

YEAH, OUR ESTIMATE WAS THAT REALLY BECOMES A 60 FOOT BUFFER TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD LITERALLY NOT TOUCH OR DISTURB WITHIN THE 30 FEET.

IT'S GONNA BE CHEAPER FOR US TO NOT TAKE TREES OUT.

RIGHT.

BUT THE, BECAUSE OF THAT GREAT DIFFERENTIAL AND WHEN YOU START WORKING IN AND HIT ROOT BALLS, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A PROBLEM.

IT'S 30 FOOT UNDISTURBED REALLY IS LIKE A 60 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH THEN MEANS THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE SITE BECAUSE THE CIRCULATION REQUIREMENTS BECOMES UNABLE TO BE DEVELOPED.

THE REQUIREMENT IS NOT A PART OF THE P U D, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT AT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.

THEY HAVE OVER QUESTION 50 FEET.

SO I MEAN, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PROPERTY THERE.

IT'S, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LOSE HALF THE SITE BY HAVING TO PRESERVE 30 FEET ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.

THAT WOULD BE MY POINT.

AND OF COURSE WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DAMAGE A ROUTE.

WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A STOPPING POINT THERE, BUT, UH, AND I ASKED MR. BOX TO CONSIDER WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE, UH, UNDISTURBED AREA THAT THIS APPLICANT COULD LIVE WITH AND THEY JUST CHOSE TO NOT RESPOND TO THAT AND SAY THEY COULD DO NONE.

SO THEY, THEY ARE PREFERRING TO LEAVE IT WHERE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REMOVE EVERY TREE.

AND THEN, UH, THAT'S OUR CONCERN.

WE'RE WE'RE TAKING THE CHANCE IF THIS P U D GETS APPROVED, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY DO HAVE TO COME FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BUT, BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR US AT THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.

THE STANDARD AT THAT POINT IS DO THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE P U D? SO IF

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SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR CONCERN NOW IS THE TIME IN OUR VIEW TO ADDRESS IT WHEN THIS P U D IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE UNREASONABLE.

WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING TO THEM THAT WE WANT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, IT IMPOSSIBLE OR SOME, YOU KNOW, IMPOSE SOME TREMENDOUSLY PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY.

BUT WE DO BELIEVE IT IS POSSIBLE TO PRESERVE A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THE EXISTING MATURE NATIVE OAK TREES THAT PROVIDE A TREMENDOUS BUFFER RIGHT TODAY BETWEEN THESE TWO PROPERTIES, THEY'RE WANTING THE ABILITY TO REMOVE EVERY TREE.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION SCENE? NONE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM TO APPROVE? SECOND, THAT ITEM WILL BE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY THE NINTH.

IT IS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

[D. Case #SP19-00007 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Site Plan application for Knights of Columbus, located on the north side of East 2nd Street, east of Saints Boulevard. (Knights of Columbus) ]

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM FIVE D, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER S P 1 9 0 0 7 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR NIGHTS OF COLUMBUS LOCATED AT THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST SECOND STREET, EAST OF ST.

BOULEVARD.

KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS IS THE APPLICANT AND IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? THEY ARE.

THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A BUILDING ADDITION TO THE EXISTING KNIGHT OF COLUMBUS BUILDING ON THE EAST SECOND STREET, UH, JUST EAST OF ST.

UH SAINTS BOULEVARD.

UH, THE ADDITION WILL BE 2,700 SQUARE FEET TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND WILL BE 20 FEET TALL AT ITS HIGHEST POINT.

UH, THE MATERIALS MATERIALS ARE BRICK WITH WOOD, A ACCENTS, UH, THE SITE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES 40 PARKING SPACES.

THERE ARE A FEW VARIANCES MOSTLY RELATED TO THIS BEING AN EXISTING SITE IN USE.

UH, THERE IS ONE VARIANCE TO THE 90 FEET OR RIGHT AWAY THAT IS REQUIRED ON SECOND STREET.

INSTEAD THEY'RE, UH, GRANTING 80 FEET WITH A 10 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT.

UH, THERE'S ALSO A VARIANCE TO THE PARKING AND DRIVES BEING ON A SEALED SURFACE.

INSTEAD UTILIZING THE EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVE IN PARKING AREAS.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AN ENGINEER'S REPORT STATING THE DRIVE WILL MEET FIRE CODE STANDARDS FOR ACCESS AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE PAVING THE HANDICAP PARKING AREAS FOR ACCESS AS WELL.

UH, STAFF HAS STATED THEY SUPPORT THOSE VARIANCES.

UH, THE PROJECT RECEIVED APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE, UH, FROM THE STORMWATER ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UH, CULVERTS UNDER THE DRIVE.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO THE VARIANCES OF BEING APPROVED.

UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? CAN YOU CLEAR UP THE GRAVEL PARKING FOR ME? RADIO.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE LAST MEETING AND SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'RE SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT.

SO WHAT DO WE, TALK TO ME ABOUT GRAVEL REAL QUICK.

SO, UH, THE DRIVE TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS, I'M SUPPOSED TO USE THE HAND, SORRY, IS PAVED, BUT FROM THERE UP IS EXISTING IN ITS GRAVEL TO DATE.

UH, AND THEN THE PARKING LOT AROUND THE CURRENT BUILDING IS GRAVEL AS WELL.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS TO GET AN ENGINEERING REPORT THAT SAID IT WOULD MEET THE STANDARDS NEEDED FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

SO IT IS A VARIANCE.

WE GENERALLY REQUIRE SOME SORT OF SEALED SURFACE, SO THEY'RE GONNA PAVE TWO SPOTS.

THEY, THEY'LL PAVE TWO SPOTS ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING FOR THE HANDICAPPED ACCESS THAT'S REQUIRED.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE.

MM-HMM.

, ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF STAFF? WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? NOT UNLESS THERE WAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPIKE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, SEEING NO ONE.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I WAS GONNA COMMENT THAT I THINK AT LEAST THE LAST TWO, IF NOT THREE APPLICANTS HAVE COME FORWARD WITH GRAVEL DRIVES.

WE'VE MADE THEM MAKE THEM SOLID SERVICES, AT LEAST TO AN EXTENT, LIKE THE LAST ONE'S UP TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT'S BEHIND A FENCE.

WE HAD PAVED SERVICE TO THAT POINT.

JUST A COMMENT.

AND YOU SAID THIS, RANDY, YOU DID SAY THIS HAS A PAVED SERVICE ALL THE WAY UP THAT LONG ROAD? NO, NO.

SO IT'S ALL GRAVELING.

IT'S GOT A, IT'S GOT A PAVED APRON.

SO WHAT YOU SEE FROM SECOND STREET IS PAVED, BUT BEYOND THAT, THE EXISTING ROAD, BASICALLY THEY'VE GOT GRA, THEY'VE GOT PAVING ON IT, AND THE EXISTING ROAD IS GRAVEL THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.

THAT HAS GRADUALLY PACKED FAIRLY SOLID.

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DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

UH, THAT ITEM FAILS BY A VOTE OF TWO TO TWO.

IT WILL BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 9TH.

[E. Case #Z22-00022 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “A” Single-Family to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for The Walnut, located on the northeast corner of Walnut and Main. (CNJ Property Holdings LLC)]

UH, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM FIVE E, CASE NUMBER Z 2222, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO P U D PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE WALNUT LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WALNUT AND MAINE.

CNJ PROPERTY HOLDINGS, LLC IS THE APPLICANT.

TO THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.

MR. ENDS, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A P D TO ALLOW UP TO SIX SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON AN EXISTING 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WALNUT AND MAIN STREET JUST WEST OF DOWNTOWN.

UH, THE LOT CURRENTLY HAS ONE RESIDENCE ON IT, WHICH WOULD BE REMOVED AND IT IS ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, THE P U D WOULD ALLOW FOR INDIVIDUAL LOTS TO BE A MINIMUM OF 1200 SQUARE FEET WITH SIDE YARDS OF THREE FEET, UH, WITH EACH LOT FRONTING WALNUT STREET.

UH, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN CHANGES WE ARE SEEING IN THE AREA WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BUILT ON SMALLER LOTS.

UH, THE P U USES THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AS ITS BASE ONLY, BUT LIMITS THE SITE TO RESIDENTIAL USES ONLY.

UH, THE EDNA CLAN 2018 DESIGNATES THE AREA'S URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS A TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN THE HIGHER DENSITY USES OF DOWNTOWN AND OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.

HIGHER DENSITY IS SUPPORTED IN THIS, UH, DISTRICT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE RELATIVE CLOSENESS TO DOWNTOWN AND ALL ITS SERVICES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? NO, UNLESS THERE'S QUESTION.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? YES, SIR.

IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND PROVIDE US WITH YOUR ADDRESS.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS LUS LITTLE AND I LIVE ON WEST HERD STREET, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THIS PROJECT.

WE WOULD BE SHARING A COMMON ALLEYWAY.

LONG, I, I BELIEVE I HAVE, UH, A SENSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERNS, PARKING HABITS, WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, BEFORE I GET STARTED ON SOME OF MY COMMENTS, I WANTED TO GIVE THE BOARD THE COMMISSION A PETITION THAT WAS CIRCULATED, UH, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

THIS IS A, A, A PRETTY SMALL SAMPLE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT GOES ABOUT A ONE BLOCK RADIUS.

UM, WE HAD, UM, THIS PETITION REPRESENTS 30 DIFFERENT HOMES THAT OPPOSE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

UH, FOUR HOMES DID NOT WANNA SIGN A PETITION.

THEY DIDN'T SAY WHETHER THEY WERE FOR IT AGAINST IT.

I DON'T, MAYBE THEY THOUGHT I WAS SELLING GIRL SCOUT COOKIES.

I'M NOT REALLY SURE.

UH, BUT THEY DID NOT WANT TO SIGN.

AND PROBABLY A THIRD OF THE HOMES IN THIS PARTICULAR RADIUS WERE EITHER EMPTY, UH, NOT HOME, OR THE HOUSES WERE VACANT, WHICH WAS, UH, A SIGN, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER THAT KIND OF SURPRISED ME.

SO, UM, IF I HAVE A COPY, I'M SORRY.

I ONLY HAVE ONE COPY OF THIS PETITION.

IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO, IF YOU JUST BRING IT OVER HERE, WE'LL PASS IT ALONG.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MM-HMM.

, THANK YOU.

THAT PETITION BASICALLY SAYS IT.

UM, THE UNDERSIGN PROPERTY, UH, OWNERS OR OR RENTERS OPPOSE THIS PARTICULAR ZONING FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO THE, UH, P U D.

UM, LET ME GIVE YOU MY BACKGROUND A LITTLE BIT.

UH, I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, THIS THREE 20 WEST HERD, UH, IN 1980.

I'VE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

UH, I RETIRED, UH, 15 YEARS AGO IN 2007, AND I ASSUMED I WAS GONNA SPEND THE MAJORITY OF MY REMAINING DAYS GOLFING, FISHING, AND VISITING MY GRANDKIDS AND HAVING THEM COME OVER AND, AND PLAY AROUND.

THE, THE LAST THING I ANTICIPATED WAS OCCURRING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION ARGUE ABOUT ZONING ISSUES.

AND YET HERE I AM.

SO, UH, I HOPE THAT THIS IS NOT A REOCCURRING THING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT VERY WELL BE, UH, HAVING LIVED THERE SO

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SO, UM, LET ME GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF HISTORY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS HOME TO A CITY PARK, CHITWOOD PARK.

IT IS HOME TO A WATER PARK.

IT WAS IN PUT IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.

IT'S HOME TO IDA FREEMAN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

IT'S ALSO HOME TO THE EDMOND SCHOOL DISTRICT BUS BARN.

AT ANY GIVEN TIME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL HAVE HUNDREDS OF KIDS WALKING, PLAYING, RIDING BIKES, SCOOTERS, UH, PLAYING IN THE WATER PARK.

YOU NAME IT, THEY'RE OUT THERE.

THESE HOUSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WERE BUILT IN THE THIRTIES AND THE FORTIES AND THE FIFTIES.

ONE HOUSE I FOUND OUT WAS BUILT IN 1920.

UNBELIEVABLE.

IT'S STILL THERE, BUT IT IS.

THESE HOUSES WERE BUILT AS SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

THEY HAD ONE CAR DRIVEWAYS.

PEOPLE THEN HAD ONE BREAD EARNER IN THE FAMILY.

ONE CAR THAT CHANGED IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES WHEN BOTH ADULTS HAD TO GET A JOB, WHICH MEANS YOU ADDED ANOTHER CAR.

GENERALLY, IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO JOCKEY THOSE CARS AROUND EVERY NIGHT AND EVERY EVENING, WHO WENT FIRST AND WHO WENT LAST IN THE DRIVEWAY? YOU HAD ONE CAR PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY, ONE PARK IN THE STREET, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

THAT'S HOW IT WAS.

THAT'S HOW IT IS TODAY.

YOU HAVE ONE CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY, ONE CAR IN THE STREET.

IF YOU HAVE A TEENAGER, THERE'S ANOTHER CAR IN THE STREET AT, IN THE EVENINGS.

ON WEEKENDS, THOSE ROADS TURN INTO A ONE LANE ROAD.

THERE IS, THERE IS NO WAY TRAFFIC CAN MOVE BACK AND FORTH DURING THE EVENINGS OR ON WEEKENDS.

IT'S A CHALLENGE TO GET A, AN AMBULANCE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S A CHALLENGE TO GET FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU HAVE BUSES THAT COME, UM, IN AND OUT EVERY MORNING AND EVERY EVENING TILL FIVE 30.

I LOOKED OUT MY WINDOW LAST NIGHT TO SEE WHEN THE LAST BUS CAME BY.

5 25.

BIG BUSES, ONE LANE ROADS.

YOU HAVE SCHOOL ACTIVITIES ON THE WEEKENDS.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BUSES COMING AND GOING ON THE WEEKENDS.

IT'S A VERY, VERY TIGHT SITUATION.

I JUST NOTICED A PICTURE THAT THEY SHOWED A WHILE AGO THAT I HAD NOT SEEN BEFORE.

UM, IT SHOWED THAT, UH, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

THIS DESIGN STATEMENT THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE CITY SHOWS FOUR AND UP TO SIX UNITS ON THIS, ON THIS ONE PROPERTY.

I WANT YOU TO, I WANT YOU TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD TO YOURSELF OR THINK ABOUT IT IN YOUR OWN HEAD.

THIS HOUSE HAS, THIS PROPERTY HAS ONE HOUSE ON IT RIGHT NOW.

THEY WANT TO PUT FOUR NEW HOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY.

THINK ABOUT THAT.

THINK HOW THAT SOUNDS.

FOUR NEW FAMILIES ON ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR ONE HOUSE, THEY WANNA PUT UP TO SIX.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE, MR. LITTLE, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD ENOUGH ROOM FOR THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE.

IF YOU COULD BE A TAD MORE SUCCINCT, WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

I'M SORRY.

IF YOU COULD BE JUST A BIT MORE SUCCINCT, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

AND TWO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE TO MOW THIS THING, THIS AREA, JUST SO WE CAN USE IT TO HAVE ACCESS TO OUR BACKYARDS.

THEY, ON PAGE FOUR OF THE DRAWING OF THE PLAN OF THE DESIGN STATEMENT, IT TALKS ABOUT STREET AND ACCESS REGULATIONS.

THE PROPERTY WILL BE, WILL HAVE ACCESS FROM MAIN STREET AND WALNUT STREET, AND THE PROPERTY WILL ALSO HAVE ACCESS FROM THE ALLEY TO THE NORTH.

GENTLEMEN, THIS ALLEY IS NOTHING MORE THAN A WEEDY, SOMEWHAT GRASSY LANE, HARDLY AN ACCESS ROAD.

MYSELF

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IF WE CAN'T GET IT THROUGH THE FENCE ON EITHER SIDE OF OUR HOUSES, WE HAVE TO ACCESS OUR BACKYARDS THROUGH THIS ALLEYWAY, PUT IN TRAILERS, PUT IN BOATS.

UH, THIS LAST SUMMER I HAD 'EM, MAPLE TREE TAKEN DOWN IN MY BACKYARD.

THE PEOPLE WHO CUT THE TREE DOWN USED THE ALLEYWAY TO BACK UP THEIR TRAILER UP AND REMOVE THE TREE LIMBS.

HAD THERE BEEN CARS OR TRAFFIC IN THAT ALLEYWAY? I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO.

WHEN WE HAD THE BIG ICE STORM, THE POWER LINES THAT RUN DOWN, THAT ALLEYWAY CAME DOWN.

THE UTILITY COMPANY USED THAT ALLEYWAY TO BRING THEIR CHERRY PICKERS IN THERE TO REPAIR THOSE LINES.

HAD WE NOT HAD THAT, THAT ALLEYWAY CLEAR, WE WOULD'VE BEEN WAITING A WHILE TO HAVE OUR POWER RESTORED.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE WAY TO LIVE THE DRAWING.

THE, THE ONE, THE ONE PICTURE THAT I SAW ON HERE A WHILE AGO THAT I HADN'T SEEN, THAT THIS ONE, THEY, THEY DO SHOW A ONE CAR DRIVEWAY ASSUMING THERE'S TWO PEOPLE IN EACH HOUSE AND THEY EACH DRIVE A CAR.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW CARS ON THIS PARTICULAR CORNER, ASSUMING THEY DON'T HAVE TEENAGE CHILDREN, YOU ADD ANOTHER CAR, ASSUMING THAT ONE OF THESE PLACES IS NOT GONNA BE BE A THREE AND FOUR PERSON ROOMMATE DEAL WHEN YOU, YOU ADD ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR NEW CARS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT ALL THESE CARS.

THEY GONNA GO ON THE STREET OR THEY GONNA GO ON THE ALLEYWAY TO BLOCK THIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO.

THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME MORE THAN ANYTHING.

BUMPER TO BUMPER STREET PARKING IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

GENTLEMEN HAVE HUNDRED OF KIDS PLAYING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

KIDS WILL BE KIDS.

THEY WILL DART IN AND OUT OF TRAFFIC ALL THE TIME.

YOU KNOW THIS, AND I KNOW THIS, IT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE DAY.

BUMPER TO BUMPER, TRAFFIC, PARKING, SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HURT OR WORSE.

I WOULD NOT WANT TO FACE THE PARENTS OF THAT CHILD WHO BECAME THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.

MR. MR. LITTLE IF YOU COULD WRAP THIS UP IN ABOUT ANOTHER TWO MINUTES AND AT THE END OF TWO MINUTES I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL.

BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE UPSET ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CARS AND IT'S TAKEN US A WHILE, QUITE A WHILE TO UNDERSTAND HOW UPSET WE ARE ABOUT THE CARS THERE.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF YOU HAVE POINTS, IF YOU COULD BE SOMEWHAT, LEMME SUCCINCT.

LET ME, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.

THIS IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD AND I KNOW CHANGE IS INEVITABLE.

IT ALWAYS WILL BE ESPECIALLY CLOSE TO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON.

BUT I ASK THE CHANGE BE DONE IN A REASONABLE WAY WHERE EVERYONE CAN LIVE SAFELY AND PEACEFULLY DURING THIS TRANSITION WHERE ALL THESE HOUSES ARE GONNA SOMEDAY BE CONVERTED INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO USE A LITTLE COMMON SENSE, A LITTLE LOGIC AND REJECT THIS PROJECT AT IS AS IT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, WE CAN DO BETTER WITH THESE PROJECTS GOING INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE CAN DO BETTER.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SO SATURATED WITH PEOPLE AND CARS.

THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE NOW, THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY HAVE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WILL LIVE THERE IN THE FUTURE AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THEY WILL HAVE.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

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THANK YOU SIR.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

UH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.

HAVE YOU ALL, NOT YOU SIR, UH, DID YOU ALL REACH OUT TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO VISIT WITH THEM IN REGARD TO THIS PROJECT? UM, THE LETTER WAS MAILED OUT TO THE THIR 300 FOOT BUFFER.

UM, AS FAR AS US REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS, WITH THE EXCEPTION TO THAT LETTER, NO, WE HAVE NOT.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED YOU ALL TO ASK OR MAKE INQUIRIES ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON? WE HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED.

MY NAME'S CAMERON JOHNSON.

I'M THE ADVOCATE.

I'D JUST LIKE TO RESPOND TO, UH, SOME OF MR. LITTLE'S, UH, REMARKS, UM, REGARDING THE PROJECT.

IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S GOING HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY TODAY.

UM, ACTUALLY THE LOTS HERE ARE THREE TIMES BIGGER THAN SOME OF THE LOTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF BLOCK AWAY AT THE LARK.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SITE PLAN, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES FOR EACH STRUCTURE.

ONE IN THE SINGLE CAR GARAGE AND ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

SO EACH, AND THAT IS PER ADMIN CODE.

UM, ACTUALLY FOR THE D R D, IT'S ACTUALLY ONE ABOVE CODE.

UM, REGARDING THE ALLEY, IT CURRENTLY HAS ACCESS TO THE ALLEY.

IT CURRENTLY HAS ACCESS TO WALNUT AND IT CURRENTLY HAS ACCESS TO MAINE.

UM, WHENEVER THE PUD WAS WRITTEN, WE WERE, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE GONNA USE.

NOW I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA USE THE ALLEY, SO I'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO PUT UP A SITE PROOF FENCE ALONG THAT 50 FEET, UH, FOR MR. LITTLE, UM, DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO USE THAT THERE.

UM, IT IS ACTUALLY TWO CITY LOTS, NOT ONE.

UM, SO WE'RE REALLY GOING FROM TWO LOTS TO FOUR LOTS.

BUT, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? SO THIS IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED, I THINK FOR MAIN STREET PROPERTIES OVER ON THE CORNER ACROSS WOOD PARK, I BELIEVE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN TWO PROJECTS EXACTLY LIKE THIS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND ONE OTHER ONE THAT HAD ONE ADDITIONAL CITY LOT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THREE DUPLEXES.

AND I'D BE WILLING TO TAKE, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

NO, JUST CAN YOU, UH, LOWER THAT TO FOUR UNITS AS OPPOSED TO SIX? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

UM, WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO.

WE WERE CONSIDERING DOING DUPLEXES.

I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOWER THAT TO FOUR UNITS IN THE POD.

CAUSE THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I KNOW WE APPROVE THERE ON THE PROJECT ACROSS FROM CHIP WOOD PARK.

I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.

UH, DO ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? THANK YOU.

UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU DO NOT ALLOW FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS? WELL, WE WILL ALLOW YOU TO COME FORWARD THEN, ED, I APOLOGIZE THAT WAS A YOU DO.

I DO, BUT I ACTUALLY, I, I GUESS I DID ALLOW FOR CITIZEN COMMENT.

12, 15 MINUTES.

WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE YOU A BITE TO THE APPLE TODAY.

WELL, GOD, ANSWER TO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

YOU KNOW, IS THIS READY FOR ED MOORE, UH, EDMOND NEIGHBORHOOD ALLIANCE? I JUST WONDER IF THIS READY FOR PRIME TIME BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IN THE APPLICATION WE'RE DOING FOUR OR SIX UNITS.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE WE READY TO EVALUATE AND, AND APPROVE SOMETHING WHERE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, WHAT WE'RE APPROVING? SO I GUESS I GOT AN ANSWER TO THAT.

WE'RE APPROVING FOUR, FOUR UNITS FOR THE THIS AREA.

BUT ANOTHER POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY OPPOS BEING USED TO CHANGE ZONING, THERE'S BEING USED TO CHANGE PLATS.

THIS DEFINITELY ISN'T IN THE PLAT FOR THIS, THE PLATTED NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS DEFINITELY ISN'T, UH, UH, THIS HAS CHANGED TO THE PLAT IN, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, YOU KNOW, THREE THREE, AND WE'RE GOING TO, THESE BUILDINGS ARE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN THREE STORIES.

I JUST WONDER, YOU KNOW, WITH THREE FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE, UH, LOTS, UH, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING TO GROW IN, IN WHAT, ANYWAY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING GROW IN BETWEEN, UH, THIS AND, UH, I AND THE OTHER QUESTION AND IS KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, IS, IS RO THIS SURE LOOKS AWFUL.

LIKE, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE AND WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD ROW HOUSES AND THIS SURE LOOKS LIKE ROW HOUSE TO ME.

SO, UH, I JUST LIKE TO GET THOSE POINTS MADE.

THANK YOU, MR. MOORE.

ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? IF, IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS MR. MOORE'S QUESTION, THAT'S FINE.

AND YEAH, I'M MUCH OF THE SAME.

UM, IT'S JUST CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S ALL I WAS GONNA SAY.