Jan 03, 2023 Planning Commission

UH, THERE ARE NO ITEMS ON

[A. Case #PR21-00006 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Preliminary Plat for Tall Oaks Village, located on Coltrane, south of 33rd Street. (Johnson & Associates)]

THE CONSENT DOCKET.

ITEM FIVE A JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES.

THE APPLICANTS PRESENT IS CASE P R 21 DASH 0 0 0 0 6.

IT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR TALL OAKS VILLAGE, LOCATED ON COLTRANE SOUTH OF 33RD.

MR. INS, WOULD YOU KINDLY INTRODUCE FIVE A PLEASE? PLEASE.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A RESIDENTIAL PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT HAS 16 LOTS ON EIGHT ACRES WEST OF COAL TRAIN SOUTH OF 33RD.

UH, YOU MIGHT RECALL, THIS WAS HEARD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO AND IT WAS, UH, CONTINUED SO THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING COULD BE HELD.

THAT MEETING WAS HELD.

I THINK YOU RECEIVED AN EMAIL THIS MORNING WITH, UH, DETAILS ABOUT THAT MEETING.

UH, THE SITE IS ZONED TO A SINGLE FAMILY AND HAS FULL CITY SERVICES AVAILABLE.

UH, THE LOTS RANGE FROM 6,000 TO 13,000 SQUARE FEET.

ACCESS WILL BE FROM A SINGLE DRIVE ON THE COAL TRAIN.

UH, THERE ARE NO VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

MR. ANS ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? MR. ZZA, IF YOU COULD RECAP YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THE EMAIL THAT WE WERE SENT, AND LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

UH, MARK ZZA WITH JOHNSON ASSOCIATES ADDRESS IS ONE HE SHERIDAN AVENUE.

UH, AS MR. INS MENTIONED, WE DID HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

IT WAS HONESTLY ONE OF THE BEST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS I HAVE EVER THAT I'VE EVER BEEN A PART OF.

EVERYONE WAS VERY CORDIAL, EVERYONE WAS NICE, AND I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE, ACCESS, EROSION, UH, HOUSE SIZE, MATERIALS, UTILITIES, TREE PRESERVATION, UH, AND GAVE 'EM THE PLANS OF WHAT THE INTENT WAS.

I'LL MAKE A COUPLE NOTES.

I KNOW AT ONE POINT SOMEONE WAS PROVIDED A PLAT MAP THAT SHOWED 18 LOTS.

THERE WERE ONLY 16 LOTS PROPOSED.

IT WAS AN OLD VERSION THAT WAS, UH, IMPROPERLY SHARED.

SO WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION THAT CREATED THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD, BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THAT WE SUBMIT THE FINAL PLANT, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH A TALL OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, UH, AND A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT GETS PUT IN PLACE ON THEIR OUTFALL STRUCTURE FROM THEIR DETENTION POND.

UH, I KNOW THAT WAS AN AREA OF CONCERN AND OUR OFFICE IS GONNA WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THE DESIGN MEETS CITY OF ADMIN REQUIREMENTS, BUT, UH, WE'LL BE PROVIDING THAT ON OUR, ON OUR SOUTHERN, UH, BOUNDARY.

UM, SO WE HAVE ONE OTHER MEETING THAT, UH, I JUST SPOKE WITH WITH TWO RESIDENTS ABOUT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND MEET WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS WITH THEM.

THEY'VE GOT ADDITIONAL CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE.

THERE ARE SOME, UH, EMAIL SNAFUS AND, UH, I'LL TAKE FAULT FOR THAT.

UH, AND NOT HAVING EMAIL ADDRESSES CORRECTLY TYPED IN.

SO THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

UH, BUT WE'VE COMMITTED TO GOING BACK OUT WITH THEM IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS THEY HAVE AND SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THE CREEK.

UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, I I DON'T SEE MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING HERE TONIGHT.

UH, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

UH, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? TALK TO ME ABOUT THE CREEK.

UH, SO CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT STAGE.

THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF WORK THAT'S DONE BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THE FINAL PLAT COMES.

AND SO WE'LL MEET ALL OF THE ADMIN REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S IN TERMS OF EROSION CONTROL, UH, BUT IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE, WE HAVE A DETENTION POND THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.

WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE TALL OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD TO IMPROVE THEIR OUTFALL STRUCTURE SO THAT THEIR DRAINAGE AND WATER CAN PASS BEFORE OURS IS DITCHED DISCHARGED INTO THE CREEK.

SO THERE WON'T BE ANY INCREASED RUNOFF FROM THIS SITE.

UH, ALL OF THE EDMOND DRAINAGE ORDINANCE WILL BE MET

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THERE.

ARE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM FIVE, A PUBLIC COMP? YES, SIR.

IF YOU COULD KINDLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF ALONG WITH YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS JEFF LUX.

I LIVE AT 21 26 0 1 CROSSING DRIVE.

UM, I AM IN, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT THERE, I LIVE IN, UH, NUMBER TWO, THE SECOND, UH, LOT THAT IS IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE TALL OAKS VILLAGE, UH, PLATTED AREA.

AND, UH, I AGREE WITH MR. ZIZO THAT, UH, WE HAD A VERY CORDIAL AND PLEASANT, UH, MEETING WITH THE, UH, ARCHITECT ENGINEERS.

UM, MY ONLY DISAPPOINTMENT IS THAT WE, UH, COMMUNICATED WITH HIM THAT WE HAD, UH, CONTACTED THE DEVELOPER MULTIPLE TIMES IN AN EFFORT TO, UH, DO SOME WORK ON THAT DRAINAGE, UH, NORTH OF THE OUTFALL FROM THE COMMON ELEMENT IN TALL OAKS CROSSING.

AND, UM, WHILE WE WERE TOLD WE CAN, PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THIS WOULD BE FOR WE, THE ENGINEER TO PUT TOGETHER A DESIGN FOR EROSION CONTROL PLACEMENT OF RIP WRAP, ET CETERA, IN THAT CHANNEL IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE OUTFALL.

AND IF MISS, IF MR, IF THE DEVELOPER KNOWS THAT, UM, IT IS A WELL DESIGNED, UH, UM, EROSION CONTROL STRUCTURE THAT WOULD NOT DIMINISH OR DIMINISH THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY OR CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL EROSION PROBLEMS, THEN MORE THAN LIKELY HE WOULD SAY, YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

UH, THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION ACTUALLY OFFERED TO, UH, PAY FOR THE WORK TO BE DONE, UH, BECAUSE OUR CONCERN IS, UH, AT THE RIGHT THAT CREEK IS ERODING.

UH, WE JUST SPENT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS REPAIRING THE OUTFALL STRUCTURE AND BECAUSE THE EROSION KEEPS UNDERCUTTING IT, AND AS THE, AS THE DEPTH OF THE CREEK CHANNEL INCREASES, UM, SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE NOT SEEN A DESIGN, UH, NOR HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY WORD FROM THE DEVELOPER THAT HE'S WILLING TO DO THAT.

AND, UH, UH, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT'S ON, UH, ANY FAULT OF, UH, THE ARCHITECT ENGINEER.

UH, BUT THAT'S OUR, THAT IS OUR CHIEF CONCERN.

AND IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT, BIT OF A MYSTERY TO ME THAT WE OFFERED TO EVEN PAY TO DO THE WORK AS LONG AS HE WOULD GRANT US ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY TO PERFORM THE WORK.

UM, AND THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S OUR CHIEF RESIDUAL CONCERN RELATED TO THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

TH UH, YOUR LAST NAME? UH, SIR.

L U X.

UH, WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT QUESTION AND JUST, UH, IS THERE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? FIVE A FIVE A? YES, SIR.

MY NAME'S DAVID GUEST, G E S T I RESIDE AT 26 0 9 CROSSING DRIVE IN TALL OAKS CROSSING.

I RESIDE NEXT TO MR. LUX.

MR. LUX IS OUR PRESIDENT OF OUR HOA.

I APPRECIATE HIS BEING HERE TONIGHT.

MY GENERAL COMMENT IS, I THINK I'M GONNA BE THE MOST AFFECTED.

THERE'S TWO OF THE NEW LOTS THAT'LL BE ADJOINING MY BACKYARD.

I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT BY THE ARCHITECT, ARCHITECT AND DESIGN COMMITTEE MEETING WITH US.

IT WAS A GOOD MEETING.

MY WIFE AND I REALIZE THAT THIS WILL BE DEVELOPED.

SO FAR WE'RE PLEASED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.

I WILL JUST ECHO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION'S CONCERN ABOUT ALLOWING US TO PUT REP WRAP IN TO MINIMIZE OUR FUTURE EROSION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MR. GUEST.

ARE THERE OTHERS? OKAY, MR. ZZA? YES, SIR.

IF YOU COULD ADDRESS MR. LUX AND MR. GUEST'S CONCERN AND, AND, AND IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, WHAT'S THE HOLD UP OF GETTING OUT THERE TO DO THAT ON OUR END? I WOULD APOLOGIZE FOR ANY MISCOMMUNICATION IN THE EMAIL THAT I THINK YOU ALL WOULD'VE BEEN FORWARDED.

ONE OF THE POINTS IN THERE IS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS AGREEABLE TO THE EASEMENT.

UH, THE REASON A PLAN HASN'T BEEN PUT FORTH YET IS CAUSE OUR OFFICE HAS TO DESIGN IT, AND WE PLAN TO DO THAT WHEN WE MOVE INTO THE FINAL PLAT DESIGN.

SO WE HAVE EVERYONE'S CONTACT INFORMATION, WE'LL STAY ENGAGED WITH THEM.

THAT'S WHY I STATED EARLIER WE WANT IT ON THE RECORD THAT WE ARE AGREEABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.

UH, AND WE WILL WORK WITH THEM THROUGH THAT DESIGN.

I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING WITH ANOTHER, UH, COMPANY THAT WILL PROVIDE THE RIP WRAP.

SO WE'LL MAKE SURE ALL THE DETAILS MEET CITY OF EDMOND STANDARDS.

UH, AND AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REFLECTED IN THE EMAIL.

THAT SATISFY YOU, MR. LUXE.

SO TONIGHT, YOU'RE HERE IN PUBLIC AND YOU'VE AGREED TO THAT.

MR. LUX HAS HEARD IT, MR. GUEST HAS HEARD IT,

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SO OF COURSE, YES.

I MEAN, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY ON THIS SINCE THE FIRST MEETING AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE THERE.

AND SO I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT MR. ZIT, AL IS TELLING YOU HE'S GONNA DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE ALL RIGHT.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, WHEN WE MET WITH MR. ZZA, WE, UH, AND IT WAS IN ONE OF THE EMAILS THAT Y'ALL RECEIVED.

UH, WE ASKED FOR AN EASEMENT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

ONE EASEMENT WAS, UH, TO, WELL, ACTUALLY IT WASN'T AN EASEMENT.

I'LL LOOK AT AN EASEMENT AS SOMETHING TO RUN WITH THE LAND, BUT ACCESS THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO CONSTRUCT THAT.

THE OTHER THING WE REQUESTED WAS AN EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO, UM, EXIT THROUGH THE COMMON ELEMENT, WHICH IS, UH, NEXT TO MY, YOU KNOW, WEST OF LOT NUMBER TWO THERE IN TALL OAKS CROSSING, UH, SO THAT WE COULD PERFORM MAINTENANCE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT.

AND WHEN HE SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER'S WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH AN EASEMENT, UH, TO ME THAT WAS ADDRESSING THE LONG TERM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE GATE THERE NOT ACCESS TO CONSTRUCT THE, DOES HE HAVE YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBER? YES.

WELL, WE'VE COMMUNICATED.

SO I'LL JUST QUICKLY ADD THAT WHEN YOU SEE THE FINAL PLAT COME THROUGH, WE WILL HAVE ALREADY WORKED OUT THE DESIGN AND WORKED WITH THEM ON THIS.

THE EASEMENT IS GOING TO BE FOR YES, TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TO OCCUR, BUT SECOND FOR MAINTENANCE.

THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS OUR DEVELOPER WANTS TO WORK THROUGH WITH THAT LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE.

LOOKS LIKE OBVIOUSLY THERE WERE INITIAL CONCERNS OF HIM, OF HAVING OTHER PEOPLE ON HIS PROPERTY DOING WORK AND UNDERSTANDING LIABILITY.

SO WE'RE FULLY IN AGREEMENT THAT NOT ONLY THE CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE, BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.

UH, AND THAT WILL BE REFLECTED ON THE FINAL PLA WHICH WILL RUN WITH THE LAND FAR OUT.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE THERE, MR. GUEST, ARE YOU NODDING HAPPY? OKAY.

UH, THAT WAS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR MR. ZZA? ANYTHING? SO DO WE JUST KIND OF CONFIRM THAT THROUGH OUR MINUTES? IS WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE, RANDY? I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THESE SIDE AGREEMENTS BEFORE THAT THEY COME BACK TO US YEARS LATER AND SAY THEY HAD IT.

BUT I GUESS WE PUT THAT IN THE MINUTES.

IS THAT WE'RE GONNA REFLECT IT, THAT WE'VE HAVE A VERBAL AGREEMENT OR HOW WE DO THAT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CONFLICTS OF SAYING NO, WE DIDN'T SAY THAT.

IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR MOTION THAT YOU APPROVE IT.

UH, SUBJECT, SUBJECT TO THE EASEMENT BEING IN PLACE AT FINAL PLAT FOR, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND EASEMENT AND FOR MAINTENANCE.

AND ATTACH THE VIDEO, MR. ZZA .

UH, COMMISSION COMMENTS.

AND THEN MR. LINDELL MADE A MOTION THAT WILL INCLUDE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE VERBAL AGREEMENT HERE, THAT THE MAINTENANCE AND CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS WILL BE IN THE FINAL PLAY.

THERE IS A MOTION SECOND AND THERE'S A SECOND.

THE MOTIONS APPROVED.

THE ITEMS APPROVED.

FIVE B ELLIOT ARCHITECTS.

THAT'LL BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 23RD OF JANUARY.

UH, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU SAID YOU'D DO, AND I'M GLAD EVERYBODY'S WALKING OUTTA HERE.

SATISFIED.

[B. Case #U22-00004 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Specific Use Permit for Uptown Wine & Spirits, located northwest of Santa Fe & W 15th Street. (Elliott Architects)]

ITEM FIVE B IS CASE U2 DASH 0 0 0 0 FORTS PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR UPTOWN WINE AND SPIRITS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF SANTA FE AND 15TH STREET.

MR. ENS, FIVE B PLEASE.

THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT WOULD ALLOW A LIQUOR STORE IN THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SANTA FE.

AND 15TH, IT'S THE, UH, SUITE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE.

UH, THE, THE CURRENT ZONING IS D ONE RESTRICTED RETAIL COMMERCIAL, WHICH REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE LIQUOR STORE USE.

UH, LIKE I SAID, THE PERMIT WILL BE FOR SUITE H, UH, ONLY THAT MEETS THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS FROM THE STATE.

FOR SCHOOLS, UH, THERE ARE NO CHANGES BEING MADE TO THE EXISTING SITE DUE TO THIS REQUEST AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

MR. ANS ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? DOES THE APPLICANT, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND MR. N'S EXPLANATION? NO, SIR.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? HOW CLOSE ARE MEAN? HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO THAT BOUNDARY OF THAT? DO WE KNOW TO THE SCHOOL BOUNDARY? YEAH.

ACTUALLY QUITE A WAYS I FURTHER THAT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S OVER TWICE AS FAR AS IT NEEDS TO BE.

SO YEAH.

SO IT'S WELL BEYOND THE 300 IS IS THAT WHAT IT'S THE 300 AND THEN THEY'RE RIGHT AT 9, 8, 900 FEET DEPENDING ON WHICH BOUNDARY.

AND SO THE SPECIAL USE WE'RE DOING IS STRICTLY BECAUSE IT PROBABLY WAS A PROHIBITION ON THE SITE OR WHAT ARE WE THAT THAT ZONING DISTRICT IS MEANT FOR KIND OF LOWER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES.

CONSIDER CONTEXT WITH EACH APPLICATION.

LIQUOR STORE IS SOMETIMES CONSIDERED HIGHER INTENSITY IN THE WRONG CONTEXT.

SO IT ALLOWS PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL TO

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GOTCHA.

MM-HMM.

AND I KNOW THAT ON UH, HOUSES OF WORSHIP, THERE'S USUALLY A TWO OR THREE YEAR LIMIT OR A TIMEFRAME ON A SPECIFIC USE.

WHAT ABOUT A LIQUOR STORE? UH, THERE'S NO LIMIT UNLESS THERE'S ONE PLACED ON IT BY RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY'RE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

OTHERWISE, IT JUST RUNS WITH THE LAND.

UNTIL THAT USE CEASES TO EXIST, THEN IT EXPIRES.

VERY GOOD.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR MR. HENCE.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT PUBLIC COMMENT.

FIVE B PUBLIC COMMENT.

FIVE B.

SCENE NINE ARE THE COMMISSION COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR FIVE B? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND THAT I APPROVE FIVE ZERO.

YOU'LL BE BACK AT COUNCIL JANUARY 23RD.

ITEM FIVE C IS Z 22 DASH TRIPLE 0 24.

YES SIR.

LOPER BROTHERS.

[C. Case #Z22-00024 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “A” Single-Family to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for Howard Place, located on the southeast corner of Hurd and Howard. (Loper Brothers LLC) ]

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR A REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO P U D PLAN FOR HOWARD PLACE LOCATED ON SOUTHWEST CORNER.

HERDON HOWARD, THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT.

MR. S FIVE C PLEASE.

APPLICANT SEEKING APPROVAL OF A P U D THAT WOULD ALLOW UP TO FOUR HOMES ON AN EXISTING 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HERDON HOWARD, UH, JUST NORTHEAST OF CHITWOOD PARK.

UH, THE LAW IS CURRENTLY HAS ONE RESIDENCE ON IT AND IT IS ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, THE P U D STATES THAT THE CURRENT RESIDENCE WILL REMAIN, BUT COULD EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED INTO TWO UNITS IN THE FUTURE.

UH, IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR A DUPLEX TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE SOUTH HALF OF THE LOT, UH, FACING HOWARD, UH, WITH ACCESS ALSO FROM HOWARD.

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN CHANGES WE ARE SEEING, UH, WITH THE AREA WITH SINGLE FAMILIES IN, UH, DIFFERENT STYLES OF HOUSING IN THE AREA.

THE EDNA PLAN 2018 DESIGNATES THE AREA'S URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS A TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN THE HIGHER INTENSITY USES IN DOWNTOWN TO THE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.

HIGHER I DENSITY SUPPORTED BECAUSE OF THE RELATIVE CLOSENESS TO DOWNTOWN AND ALL OF ITS SERVICES STAFF RECOMMEND THE APPROVE.

THANK YOU MR. AN ANSWER ARE THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE FOR RANDY IS WE KEEP SEEING THIS IN THIS AREA.

HAVE WE HAD MANY BUILDING PERMITS YET? I KNOW WE KEEP SEEING RE BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN MANY STRUCTURES BUILT, HAVE SEEN ANY? I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY.

THERE'S SEVERAL COMING UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CHITWOOD PARK THAT I KNOW OF.

UM, THAT'S THE ONLY ONES I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT FOUR OR FIVE.

THANKS RANDY.

MM-HMM.

FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND MR. IN'S EXPLANATION? NO.

PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES SIR.

QUESTIONS STEP UP HERE TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE AND, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.

HELLO? HI, I'M WYATT.

I HAVE A 20 SOME ODD YEAR RESIDENT OF EDMOND.

WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? WYATT JONES.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THERE'S A, A, I BELIEVE A TRAILER, UH, PARK OR MOBILE HOME NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IN THAT AREA THAT HAS JUST SOLD WITH A ZONING OUT FRONT.

IS THAT THE AREA THAT'S IN QUESTION? NO, THE AREA IN QUESTION IS THE ONE IN THE BO DIRECTLY NORTH OF IT.

SO UP TOPS THE TO RANDY.

UH, FIVE E THE APPLICANTS PRESENT.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

OH, RIGHT THERE.

YEAH, THE TRAILER PARK'S RIGHT THERE.

ARE THERE OTHERS FIVE C PUBLIC COMMENT, SCENE NONE COMMISSION COMMENTS? FIVE C.

IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND? FIVE C.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND FIVE C'S APPROVED.

TAYLOR TR UH, LET'S SEE.

ITEM FIVE D IS CONTINUED TO 1 17 23,

[E. Case #Z22-00027 Public Hearing and Consideration for Rezoning from “A” Single Family Dwelling District to “PUD Z22-00027” Planned Unit Development for Kennedy Tire and Auto Service Addition, located south of West Edmond Road, on the east side of State Street. (Todd McKinnis) ]

TODD MCKINNIS, THAT'S CASE Z 22 DASH 0 27.

MR. NS FIVE E PLEASE.

HEY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A P D TO EXPAND THE PARKING FOR KENNEDY TIRE AUTO, UM, TIRE AND AUTO SERVICE CENTER ON WEST EDMOND ROAD AND STATE STREET.

UH, THE, THE SITE IN QUESTION IS CURRENTLY A PART OF THE LAMPLIGHTER MOBILE HOME PARK AND IS ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY.

THERE ARE A FEW MOBILE HOMES THAT WILL BE MOVED AS A RESULT OF THE CELL OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, THE AREA IN QUESTION IS 30 FEET BY 270 FEET ROUGHLY, AND IS ACCESSED FROM THE ALLEY THAT SEPARATES THE MOBILE HOME PARK FROM THE EXISTING KENNEDY, UH, KENNEDY TIRE SITE.

UH, THE P U D COMMITS TO A SIX FOOT TALL STOCK, EIGHT FENCE SURROUNDING THE SITE AND MEETING THE LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING AND SENSITIVE BORDER STANDARDS.

UH, THE SITE IS TO BE USED FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING.

THE POTENTIAL FUTURE STORAGE, UH, THE EXISTING ALLEY IS GRAVEL AND THE P U D CONTEMPLATES THE SURFACE OF THE PARKING TO ALSO BE GRAVEL MATCHING THE ALLEY.

UH, ENGINEERING DID NOTE CONCERNS ABOUT THE GRAVEL SURFACE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR DUST.

UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HAS EXPRESSED A WILLINGNESS TO DISCUSS

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THAT SURFACE.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AGREEMENT BEING REACHED ON THE PARKING SURFACE PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

THANK YOU, MR. ANSER.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? MR. MCKINNIS? GOOD EVENING.

TODD MCKINNIS.

UH, HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY.

HAPPY NEW YEAR.

UH, RANDY, AS ALWAYS DOES A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

UH, THE KENNEDYS ARE HERE.

UH, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL BUSINESS.

IT'S BEEN IN EDMOND FOR DECADES, AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF A BUSINESS DOING WELL IN EDMOND AND EXPANDING.

AND SO THEY REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE LANDOWNER TO THE SOUTH TO ACQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL LAND TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, AS I THINK YOU SAW IN THE MEMO, UH, THERE'S A PLAN TO VACATE THE ALLEY IN THE FUTURE SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE THE, THE LAND CONTIGUOUS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A CITY ASSET THAT'S THERE.

UH, THE IDEA ABOUT THE GRAVEL PARKING RIGHT NOW, THE ALLEY IS GRAVEL.

UM, AND WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING SITE PROOF FENCING AROUND ALL THE SIDES THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THE MINUTE, UH, IN THE NOTES ABOUT NO OTHER GRAVEL PARKING IN THE AREA.

AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO AN ARGUMENT, OBVIOUSLY PECOS GOT A MASSIVE PARKING LOT RIGHT DOWN THE STREET THAT'S GRAVEL PARKING.

AND THE GARAGE THAT MANY OF US EAT AT ON A REGULAR BASIS IS NOT TOO FAR AWAY AS GRAVEL PARKING AS WELL.

AND NONE OF THAT'S SCREENED.

UH, SO ANYWAY, I THINK WE CAN DO A GREAT JOB TO EXPAND THE BUSINESS IN EDMOND.

THE REASON WE'RE HAVING TO DO A P U D IS JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WHERE THE LAND IS TODAY AND HOW IT JUST DEPENDS TO THE CURRENT KENNEDY DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE CITY AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, JUST THE COMMENT ABOUT, UH, RANDY SAYING THEY'D COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THE GRAVEL.

WE'RE NOT REAL CRAZY ABOUT GRAVEL.

NO.

AND I KNOW YOU'VE HAD SOME RECENT HISTORY WHERE YOU'VE, UH, AT LEAST REQUIRED SOME FENCING ON GRAVEL, I BELIEVE, ON, UH, WAYNE FROST'S PROJECT, AND THEN YOU HAD A LOT OF ISSUES ON ANOTHER KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UH, AS YOU SAW IN OUR P U D, WE HAVE SIX FOOT STOCKADE SITE PROOF FENCING ON THIS DEAL.

IT'S COMPLETELY CONTAINED.

AS WE SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND PARKING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND EXPAND OUR BUSINESS.

SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE WILLING TO AGREE TO PAVE THE THING TODAY.

UH, WE MAY, BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE WITHOUT THE ALLEYWAY BEING VACATED.

UH, AND ITS GRAVEL AS IT IS.

SO FOR SOME REASON THAT DOESN'T GET VACATED, THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.

THEN WE'D HAVE SURFACE PARKING THAT'S IMPERVIOUS.

WE'D HAVE GRAVEL PARKING, AND THEN WE'D HAVE OUR PROPERTY, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A DIFFICULT COMMITMENT TO MAKE AT THIS POINT.

FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

WHAT ELSE COULD BE DONE BESIDES, UH, JUST YOU SEAL IT OR DO YOU, I MEAN, THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS TO DO THAT.

YOU CAN CHIP SEAL IT.

I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER PLYWOOD METHODS.

YEAH, COBBLE STONES, .

I THINK COBBLESTONE SOUNDS APPROPRIATE, BUT AND I, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE IN OUR ORDINANCE CURRENTLY.

UH, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO IT, IS GOING THROUGH AN EFFORT TO, UH, UH, HAVE AN L I D LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT STUDY COMPLETED, WHICH WILL THEN BE INTEGRATED INTO OUR CODES THAT ALLOW DIFFERENT TYPES OF SURFACES.

UH, BUT THAT'S NOT COMPLETE OR AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME.

JUST DON'T HAVE ANY.

SO I WILL MENTION ONE THING.

COMMISSIONER WINTER, UH, AS YOU SAW ON OUR P D, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS AT THIS POINT FOR ANY VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, BUT IF WE DO, WE'LL BE FULLY COMPLIANT.

AND IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THEN I WOULD IMAGINE SURFACE PARKING THAT REQUIRES IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT AT THAT TIME.

SO, BUT IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE GRAVEL PIECE WILL BE BEHIND A FENCE.

I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE STANDARD WE'VE KIND OF SET.

THAT HAS BEEN THE STANDARD THAT SPEAKS, BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED.

UH, IN'S BEEN SET, BUT THAT IS OUR REQUIREMENT IN OUR P U D.

AND I THINK THERE'S GRAVEL.

I WANNA SAY, IS IT THE AMES ORGANIZATION THAT HAS THE SPACE THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE ON, UH, KELLY AND SECOND STREET? UH, THERE, I THINK THERE'S A LARGE GRAVEL PARKING LOT BEHIND THAT BUILDING.

I'D OBVIOUSLY TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT.

I, I'M NOT PICTURING THAT RIGHT NOW.

I JUST, THE ONE THAT I DRIVE, I'M, EVERY THURSDAY MORNING I'M AT PECO, THERE'S A PARKING LOT THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF FRETZ THAT IS PROBABLY 400 YARDS WIDE BY A HUNDRED YARDS DEEP.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT GRASS AND GRAVEL IN IT.

AND IT SEEMS TO NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN THE 300 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX TO THE NORTH OF IT, NOR ANY OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

SO THERE'S EXAMPLES OF RETAIL DEVELOPMENT IN EDMOND.

THERE'S EXAMPLES OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IN EDMOND.

IF ANYTHING, THIS IS A MIXTURE OF BOTH.

AND SO, AND NONE OF THOSE ARE, ARE, UH, SCREENED.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS WOULD CAUSE AN ISSUE GIVEN THE HISTORY OF EDMOND AND THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES WITH THIS TYPE OF PARKING.

SO LOOK, AS LONG AS IT'S SCREENED, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH IT.

PUBLIC COMMENT.

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FIVE E SCENE.

NONE.

COMMISSION COMMENTS? FIVE E.

MOTION TO, THERE'S A MOTION.

SECOND.

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AND THAT'LL BE AT COUNCIL 1 23.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES SIR.

I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOME TIRE PRESSURE ON MY CAR.