Feb 07, 2023 Planning Commission

MR. ANZ, IF YOU PLEASE PRESENT THIS ITEM FOR US.

THE, UH, APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A SIGN IN A UTILITY EASEMENT FOR HOOPER DENTAL.

IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 15TH STREET, UH, WEST OF THE SPRING CREEK VILLAGE.

UH, WITH THE ELEVATION CHANGES IN SITE TRIANGLES, UH, THE POTENTIAL VISIBILITY OF THE SIGN LOCATIONS ARE LIMITED ON THE SITE.

UH, THE SITE'S SELECTED IS IN A UTILITY, ISN'T IT? UH, YEAH.

SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THIS.

THERE WE GO.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

RIGHT THERE IN THE YELLOW IS WHERE THEY WILL BE PLACING IT.

UH, THE SIGN ITSELF MEETS ALL THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE GROUND SIGNS.

UH, THE OWNER HAS WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO FIND THAT LOCATION.

UH, DO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SEE NONE.

WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? NOPE.

DO, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SCENE? NONE.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I WANT, RANDY, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THIS OUT ON COBELL? UH, I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY A DENTIST TOO.

IS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC LIKE WORDING OR VERBIAGE THAT WE DID FOR ALL THOSE THAT WE DID? UH, WE INCLUDED IT IN THE MEMO, AND I BELIEVE THE OWNER HAS A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE RISK OF PLACING THAT IN THE UTILITY EASEMENT, THAT IT'S AT THEIR RISK IF WE HAVE TO MOVE IT, THEY WE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST.

THAT'S KIND WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

MAYBE JUST THEY KNOW.

US TO ITEM FIVE B, CASE NUMBER DD 22 DASH 0 21.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? NO.

APPROVE.

SECOND.

NOW THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

IT WILL BE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 27TH.

UH, THAT BRINGS

[B. Case #DD22-00021 Consideration for a Lot Split for The Walnut, located on the northeast corner of Walnut and Main. (CNJ Property Holdings LLC) (Ward 1)]

CONSIDERATION FOR A LOT SPLIT FOR THE WALNUT LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WALNUT AND MAINE.

CNJ PROPERTY HOLDINGS LLC IS THE APPLICANT.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT MR. ENTS? UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A LOT SPLIT THAT WOULD CREATE FOUR LOTS ON THE CORNER OF WALNUT AND MAINE.

UH, THE SITE IS ZONED AS A P U D, WHICH ANTICIPATED THIS SPLIT.

UH, THE LOTS RANGE IN SIZE FROM 1,330 SQUARE FEET TO 2,230 SQUARE FEET, AND EACH WILL CONTAIN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

UH, ACCESS FOR ALL THOSE LOTS WILL BE FROM WALNUT STREET.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THE CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? NO, SIR.

DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WE SHOULD EITHER SPEAK FOR OR PARTI AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYBODY'S HERE TONIGHT.

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WISHFUL THINKING, I GUESS HERE, BUT ANYWAY.

UH, SCENE.

NONE.

DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

US TO ITEM FIVE C, CASE NUMBER Z 22 DASH 0 0 23 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM F1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO P U D Z 22 DASH 0 0 0 2 3.

ITEM FIVE B IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

IT WILL AGAIN, OR IT WILL WITH THE, UH, PREVIOUS ITEM B ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 27.

THAT BRINGS

[C. Case #Z22-00023 Public Hearing and Consideration for Rezoning from “F-1” Light Industrial to “PUD Z22-00023” Planned Unit Development, located on the west side of Kelley Pointe Parkway, north of 33rd Street. (ERC Building Company) (Ward 3)]

PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF KELLY POINT PARKWAY NORTH OF 33RD STREET.

E R C BUILDING COMPANY IS THE APPLICANT, AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT MR. ENDS.

OKAY, UH, AS YOU SAID, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A P U D ON THE WEST SIDE OF KELLY POINT PARKWAY JUST NORTH OF 33RD STREET.

IT'S THE AREA OUT OUTLINED IN YELLOW ON THE MAP IN THE MIDDLE.

UH, THE SITE IS 12 ACRES AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED F1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

UH, THE P U D ALLOWS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WITH 216 APARTMENTS AND 12 TOWN HOMES WITH A MAXIMUM GROSS DENSITY OF 20 UNITS PER ACRE.

UH, THE P U D COMMITS TO THE BUILDINGS BEING 70% BRICK STUCCO STONE AND OR MASONARY BOARD WITH WOOD OR METAL ACCENTS AND NO MORE THAN 42 FEET IN HEIGHT, AND ALSO COMMITS TO HAVING A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BERMS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.

UH, THE P E D COMMITS TO SETBACKS FROM THE NORTH BOUNDARIES OF 30 FEET FOR TWO STORY STRUCTURES AND 50 FEET FOR THREE STORY STRUCTURES.

UH, THE SITE IS UNLIKELY TO BE ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL AS IT IS BEING CARVED OUT OF THE KELLY POINT PARK DEVELOPMENT, WHICH HAS GENERALLY BEEN DEVELOPED WITH OFFICES ALONG KELLY, UH, SOUTH AND EAST OF THIS SITE.

THE HIDDEN PRAIRIE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED 90 FEET TO THE NORTH OF THIS SITE AND 300 FEET ACRO TO THE WEST ACROSS SOME FLOODPLAIN.

UH, CITY SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO SERVE THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE EDMOND PLAN 2018 DESIGNATE THE AREAS EMPLOYMENT, WHICH ARE AREAS THAT ARE MEANT TO PROVIDE FOR JOBS AND INDUSTRIES SERVING EDMOND.

THE CATEGORY ALSO ANTICIPATES THE NEED FOR HOUSING AND, AND AROUND THOSE AREAS PROVIDING EASY ACCESS TO THOSE JOBS.

DEVELOPING THE SITE WITH HOUSING SEEMS TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE PLAN.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME IN REGARD TO CITY STAFF'S PRESENTATION OF THIS MATTER? IF NOT, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? EVENING, TIM JOHNSON WITH JOHNSON ASSOCIATES, UM, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.

OH, THANK YOU.

IT'S UP THERE.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, UH, THANK THE COMMISSION AND THE NEIGHBORS FOR HAVING PATIENT TO LET US CONTINUE THIS AND WORK WITH THEM.

UH, WE HAVE, WE DID MAKE A, UH, SEVERAL, UH, CHANGES TO THE P U D FROM OUR FIRST MEETING WITH THEM.

UH, AND I'M JUST GONNA LIST THOSE REAL QUICK, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION'S SAKE.

SO WE DID INCREASE THE SETBACKS.

SOME OF THESE RANDY MENTIONED WE DID DECREASED THE MAX DENSITY AND SET IT AT A CAP OF 2 28.

UH, WE REQUIRED A 20 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BERM ALONG THE NORTH AND THE WEST.

WE RESTRICTED AREAS, UH, ACCESS TO THE NORTH AND WEST.

UH, THERE'LL BE NO AMENDMENTS TO THE, TO THE DENSITY OR HEIGHT WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL AND PUBLIC NOTICE.

UH, WE ELIMINATED WALL PACKS ON THE NORTH AND THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROJECT, UH, TO ELIMINATE ANY POTENTIAL LIGHT, UH, INTRUSION.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WAS REDUCED TO 42 FEET.

UH, WE PROVIDED A MARKET STUDY AT THEIR REQUEST, AND WE ALSO, YOU'LL SEE IN THIS, WE PRE WE, UH, PERFORMED A FOCUS TRAFFIC, UH, IMPACT STUDY ON, UH, 33RD WHERE, WHERE THE ACCESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ON 33RD FOX POINT TRAIL, I THINK, OR PLANE.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

OH, SWEET.

LOOK AT THAT.

YOU GUYS ARE HIGH TECH , I TELL YOU.

UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE ATTRACTIVE LAND HAS A, UH, FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES ON IT.

THE PROPERTY TO OUR NORTH, UH, OOPS, SORRY, UH, IN HERE IS HEAVILY TREATED AS WELL.

UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TREE RESERVE ON THE PRO OR PRESERVE ON THE PRO PROJECT HERE.

UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING DRAINAGE, UH, AND BLUE LINE AREA THAT GOES THROUGH HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN'T BE TOUCHED OR MOVED OR DEVELOPED UPON.

UH, THESE ARE SOME IMAGES OF THAT AREA ITSELF.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN

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THAT WAS DEVELOPED.

AND, AND AS, UH, RANDY MENTIONED THIS PIECE WAS FOR, UH, INDUSTRIAL USE.

UH, THAT USE HAS NOT PLAYED OUT TO BE THE BEST BENEFIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AND IT, AND IT'S THE DEVELOPER OF THE OWNER OF THE LAND'S BELIEF THAT IN ORDER TO GET THE COMMERCIAL THAT IS PROPOSED AND NEEDED HERE AND THIS PART OF TOWN NEED, WE NEED MORE ROOFTOPS.

SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

UM, UH, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE PROVIDING A CO-WORKING SPACE, UH, KIND OF MODELED AFTER THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME, EITHER PART-TIME OR FULL-TIME.

IN SOME CASES, THERE'S A POOL, A COURTYARD FITNESS CENTER, OUTDOOR DOG PARK, FULL-TIME LEASING STAFF ON SITE.

SO IT'S A FULL SERVICE, UH, APARTMENT TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP WITH REGARD TO THE DISTANCE, UH, WE ARE AWAY.

SO FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS THIS, THIS IS OUR CLOSEST POINT.

WE'RE 132 FEET TO OUR PROPERTY LINE, 140 FEET TO OUR PARKING LOT.

BUT OUR BUILDINGS ARE 245 FEET APART.

AND OVER HERE IT'S MUCH LARGER.

UH, IT'S 500 FEET, 403 FEET FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.

SO IT'S QUITE A BIT OF SETBACK, UH, A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER THAT WE HAVE.

UH, WE'VE SEEN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS PUT IN THE BACKYARDS OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WITH A 50 FOOT BUFFER.

AND, AND IN THIS CASE WE HAVE A HUNDRED PLUS EVERYWHERE.

SO, A TRAFFIC CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THERE WAS CONCERN RAISED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW'S THIS, THIS, OUR MULTI-FAMILY TRAFFIC GONNA A ROUTE.

UH, WE BELIEVE, UH, AS TRAFFIC ENGINEERS THAT THE, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE EASIEST WAY OUT.

UH, KELLY HAS TWO SIGNALS ON IT ALREADY.

UH, AND THE LENGTH OF FROM OUR ENTRANCE TO COME AROUND THIS WAY TO USE 33RD STREET IS 55% LONGER THAN EITHER ONE OF THESE EXITS.

SO IT'S GOING OUTTA YOUR WAY.

UM, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE 5,006 VEHICLES PER DAY.

UH, THE SAME PROPERTY IF IT WAS DEVELOPED IN OFFICE, WOULD BE 2,382 VEHICLES PER DAY.

UH, HIDDEN PRAIRIE WAY IS WELL DESIGNED TO, WITH UND LICENSE TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN.

SO SHOULD SOMEBODY WANNA TRAVEL THIS WAY, IT'S DESIGNED TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC RUNNING SLOW.

AND THAT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN.

SO, TRAFFIC CONDITIONS, THIS IS A PART OF OUR STUDY AS WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE 33RD EXIT, AND WE, UH, THIS WAS A VIDEO.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA WORK.

HERE WE GO.

SO, PART OF MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER ON THIS WAS HOW MUCH DELAY WAS ALREADY HERE, BECAUSE CUZ 33RD STREET, AS YOU KNOW, CARRIES A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

33RD HAS OVER 20,000 CARS PER DAY.

UH, AND WE COUNTED IN, UH, THIS WAS ON OUR PEAK HOURS.

WE HAD 140 TRIPS IN THE PM PEAK, WHICH, WHICH WAS THE HIGHEST, THAT'S A HUNDRED TRIPS PER DAY, LESS THAN WE WOULD EXPECT OUT OF THAT ALREADY DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THE PEAK, UH, PER, PER THE ITT WOULD BE 246 TRIPS PER DAY BASED ON 2245 VEHICLES TRIPS PER DAY BASED ON THE HOUSING.

AND SO TRAFFIC FROM THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ROUTE BROADWAY, UH, THIS WOULD TAKE 'EM TO BROADWAY AND KELLY, IF THEY USE, IF THEY USE KELLY, TOOK 'EM TO BROADWAY AND THEN SOUTH THE 33RD IF THEY WANTED TO GO EITHER WAY.

UH, OUR AVERAGE DURING PEAK, THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME WAS ONLY 60 SECONDS.

UH, YOU CAN'T READ THESE, AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.

SO WE DID DO A WARRANT ANALYSIS AND WE DID A, UH, ANALYSIS AT THE INTERSECTION.

THE INTER INTERSECTION IS ACT IS ACTUALLY ACTING AT A LEVEL SERVICE, A, UH, AND WE DO NOT NEED ANY WARRANTS FOR ANY SIGNAL NEED.

UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE IMPACT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

SO GETTING INTO THE, UH, CROSS SECTION.

SO WHEN WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT VISIBILITY.

CAN WE SEE FROM OUR HOUSE? CAN WE SEE THE APARTMENTS OR FROM THE APARTMENTS? CAN THEY LOOK INTO OUR BACKYARDS? UH, AND AS WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DISTANCE.

AND IF THIS AREA HERE REMAINS AS A GREEN BELL, WHICH OUR DEVELOPER, MR. FARHA, THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER, HAS AGREED THAT HE'LL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO MAKE THIS A PRESERVE.

UM, AND HERE'S THE LITTLE CREEK FOR THE BLUE LINE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL THERE.

SO THIS IS, UH, THE FURTHEST SOUTH BUILDING ALONG THE NORTH, I'M SORRY, THE FURTHEST EAST BUILDING ALONG THE NORTH SIDE.

THIS IS THE ACTUAL MEASURED HEIGHTS OF THE, THE HOUSE.

UH, THIS IS OUR ACTUAL TO SCALE MEASURED HEIGHT OR OUR BUILDING.

AND, UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IF WE HAD CARS PARKED HERE, THE BERM WOULD

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BLOCK THAT.

UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE, WHERE THE CARS ARE SHOWN THERE, THERE WOULD BE WELL BELOW THE BERM HEIGHTS AND WELL BELOW THE TREES.

I'VE GOT SOME AERIAL IMAGES.

I'LL, I'LL SHOW.

AND AGAIN, SAME THING HERE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY, A ACTUAL DIMENSION OF THE HOUSE, ACTUAL DIMENSION OF THE BUILDING.

BUT THE TREES ARE ABOVE 50 FEET IN SOME CASES ALONG THE WEST SIDE.

WE'RE WAY FURTHER AWAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT, UH, 400 FEET, 500 FEET, UH, AND A LOT MORE DEPTH OF, UH, NATURAL VEGETA VEGETATIVE COVERAGE HERE.

AND AS RANDY MENTIONED, THIS IS THE FLOODPLAIN, SO THAT'LL NEVER BE DEVELOPED IN.

AND THERE, THERE, SAME THING THERE.

SO WE PUT UP A DRONE TO KIND OF GET A VIEW OF THE THICKNESS OF THE TREES.

SO WE'RE IN DEAD IN WINTER, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THICK THE TREES ARE.

THERE ARE SOME EVERGREENS IN THERE, BUT BY FAR IT'S A LOT OF HARDWOODS.

AND THEY'RE THICK.

YOU, AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH THEM.

SO WE TOOK THIS AFTER, UH, THE LAST, UH, OR FIRST MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

UH, THIS IS, UH, LOOKING WESTWARD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM OUR SITE.

SO WE'RE WAY AT THE TOP OF THE TREES LOOKING WAY DOWN.

AND AT THE DISTANCE THERE'S, IF, IF I WAS THAT HIGH, I COULDN'T SEE ANYBODY IN THEIR BACKYARD.

AND THEN THIS IS A VIEW, UH, SOUTH TO THE GREEN BELT.

AND THEN SEE THE TALLER OFFICE BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND.

BUT AGAIN, I'M AT THE TOP OF THE TREES WITH THE DRUMS. AND THEN THIS IS, UH, LOOKING NORTHWEST.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF EVERGREENS IN HERE.

BUT THESE ARE ALL HARDWOODS UP HERE.

SO A LOT OF WHAT WILL BE ON OUR TREE PRESERVER, OR A MIXTURE OF EVERGREENS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE DEF DEFINING LINE OF THE HARDWOODS HERE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE TO OUR SOUTH.

WE CREATED SOME IMAGES TO SHOW HOW THE BUILDINGS FIT WITH THE, UH, LAND.

UH, SO THIS IS LIKE IF I'M STANDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO OUR NORTH, LOOKING SOUTH, UH, OR IN THIS CASE I'M STANDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST LOOKING EAST.

AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ.

THIS IS OUR BUILDINGS TO ACTUAL SCALE, ACTUAL HEIGHT.

UM, SO THEY'RE HIDDEN BEHIND THE TREES.

SAME THING HERE.

THIS ONE IS, UH, UH, SIMILAR.

THERE'S THE BUILDINGS BEHIND THE TREES.

AND THEN THIS IS, UH, LOOKING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH.

THIS IS OUR CLOSEST POINT.

AND THERE'S THE BUILDINGS BEHIND THE TREES.

AND THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE NEIGHBORS.

UH, MIXTURE OF STONE MASONRY, UH, CEMENT, UH, BOARD.

SO THIS IS THE THREE STORY BUILDING, BUILDING TYPE ONE, UH, BUILDING TYPE TWO, THREE STORY, AND THEN THE TWO STORY BUILDING TYPE THREE.

AND THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION.

AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MARK, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, MR. JOHNSON? OR THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THE, UH, THE THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO YOUR PROJECT.

WHAT'S THE HEIGHT ON THAT, IF YOU COULD? UH, I'M NOT SURE.

I'D BE GUESSING, GUESSING IT'S TALLER THAN OUR 42 FOOT BUILDING.

UH, I'M GUESSING IT'S PROBABLY ABOVE 45.

THE PUBLIC, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, RAISE YOUR HANDS.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, DO ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SO WHEN THE PROPOSED TREE PRESERVE, YOU SHOW US THOSE PICTURES, THAT'LL PRETTY MUCH REMAIN UNDISTURBED.

YOU'RE NOT GOING AND CLEAN ANYTHING UP IN THERE, YOU'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE YOU AS IT IS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S THE PLAN.

UH, I WILL ADD ONE THING.

THERE WAS A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE MEETING THAT, UH, UH, OUR OFFICE SHARED WITH, UH, STEVE LAWRENCE.

AND WHEN WE FOUND OUT TOM MINNICK WAS OUT, UH, THE, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE IS THE TWO SIGNALS ON KELLY THAT THEY DON'T, THE LEFT TURN OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIMING IN IT TO ALLOW MORE THAN ONE TO ONE AND A HALF CARS THROUGH.

AND SO I VOLUNTEERED TO CALL TOM AND, UH, FOUND OUT HE WAS OUT.

SO WE MET, LEFT A MESSAGE FOR STEVE AND HE WAS GONNA LOOK INTO IT.

SO, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS, UH, WATER QUALITY IN THE AREA.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT A LAND USE ISSUE.

WE, AND WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.

UM, IT'S THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY THE ADMIN AND I KNOW ADMIN'S WORKING HARD TO GET THE PLANT UPGRADED FOR THAT.

SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

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I WILL ASK YOU TO COME UP, IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY NAME AND ALSO BY ADDRESS.

ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A REZONING ISSUE.

IT'S NOT A SITE PLAN ISSUE.

SO IF YOU WOULD ATTEMPT TO KEEP YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTARY SPECIFICALLY TO THE ISSUE OF REZONING, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD FIRST, SIR, MY NAME'S BRADLEY.

HI.

2, 2, 3 3 HIDDEN PRAIRIE WAY.

AND UM, WHEN OUR GRADUATE FROM UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL OKLAHOMA BACK IN EIGHTIES, I WITH CONSTRUCTION DEGREE, I WENT OUT TO THE RURAL COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP AND INVEST.

AND SO, WELL, I UNDERSTAND CONSTRUCTION AND I UNDERSTAND CHA THINGS CHANGING, UH, VERY WELL, UH, PRICE POINT.

YOU KNOW, DATA POINTS ARE DRAMATIC.

UH, THEY CAN CHANGE ALL THE TIME.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPER'S CONCERN HERE.

HE WANTS TO SOMEHOW ADJUST WHAT'S TAKING PLACE.

AND IT'S A NICELY DESIGNED IDEA.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, IT'S A ZONED AREA AND A ZONE.

WHENEVER YOU ARE A DEVELOPER, YOU DEVELOP A TRUST WITH THOSE WHO BUY FROM YOU, THAT YOU HAVE A ZONED PLAN IN MIND.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A GUARANTOR, WHICH IS THE CITY OF EDMOND STAND TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, TWO PARTIES AGREE ON THIS AND THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SWITCHING THINGS AROUND.

SO IT'S A TRUST BASED THING.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY LIKES THE IDEA OF APARTMENTS HERE.

AND, UH, YOU'RE BREAKING TRUST TO PUT APARTMENTS THERE.

THAT'S REALLY HOW IT SIMPLY STANDS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S ONE TO PROTECT HIS INVESTMENT AND I RESPECT THAT.

BUT THAT'S NOT HOW YOU DO IT.

YOU DON'T BREAK TRUST WITH YOUR PEOPLE WHO YOU'VE WORKED WITH.

HE DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB.

I APPRECIATE IT IN DEVELOPING OUR COMMUNITY, BUT YOU DON'T BREAK TRUST.

IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD.

I HAVE ONE OF THOSE.

THEY'RE NOT AS EASY TO USE OR MAYBE YOU'RE MUCH MORE COORDINATED THAN I AM.

, HOPEFULLY ONLY FOUR MORE WEEKS OF THIS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAVILY INCREASING TRAFFIC TO THE THIRD BUSIEST INTERSECTION IN EDMOND AT 33RD IN KELLY WITH OVER 400 ADDITIONAL CARS, DAILY RESIDENTS DID MEET AND JOHNSON ASSOCIATES LIKE THEY DISCUSSED, UM, AND THE CURRENT OWNER AND DEVELOPER TO DISCUSS CONCERNS SUCH AS SCALING BACK THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE COMPLEX.

BRANDI BRANDAGE.

I'M A RESIDENT.

2224 SWEETGRASS CIRCLE.

SO JUST BEAR WITH ME.

UM, I HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY, SO IT WON'T BE PROBABLY AS QUICK AS YOU WOULD WANT IT TO BE.

I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO BEGIN BY SAYING I'VE PERSONALLY MET WITH LOCAL MUNICIPAL COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE PAST MONTHS WHO HAVE TOLD ME THIS PROJECT WILL LIKELY BE PASSED.

FIND THIS CONCERNING AS THEY BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE BEFORE THE RESIDENTS PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL HAS FULLY HEARD OR SEEN THE DEVELOPED PLANS.

THIS TELLS ME THAT THE CITY OF EDMUND IS IN DIY TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

REGARDLESS IF IT'S ADEQUATE FOR THE CITY RESIDENCE OR LOCATION.

THEY WENT OVER EVERYTHING AS FAR AS UM, HOW MANY UNITS THERE'S GOING TO BE.

HOWEVER, THIS PROPOSED COMPLEX PROPERTY, THIS PROPOSED COMPLEX PROPERTY LINE WOULD ONLY BE 88 FEET FROM MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE.

WITH 32 PARKING SPACES BEING ONLY 140 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE, THE ONLY BUFFER WILL INCLUDE 132 FEET OF A MIXTURE OF EXISTING TREE LINE AND A BERM AREA THE DEVELOPER WOULD INCLUDE.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT A FOOTBALL FIELD IS 300 FEET LONG.

THIS COMPLEX WILL BE LESS THAN HALF OF A FOOTBALL FILLED FROM CURRENT RESIDENCE BACKYARDS.

THE PUD REZONING IS INCONSISTENT WITH KELLY POINT AND THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL HIDDEN PRAIRIE RESIDENCE.

WERE FULLY AWARE THAT WHEN THEY PURCHASED A HOME, THAT THE LOTS WERE ZONED INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL USE.

HENCE THE REASON THEY DECIDED TO MAKE THE LARGEST INVESTMENT PURCHASE OF THEIR LIFETIME BY BUYING A HOME ADJACENT TO KELLY POINT, IF THEY HAD BEEN ZONED MULTI-FAMILY IN THE BEGINNING, MANY RESIDENTS WOULD'VE NOT CHOSEN TO PURCHASE A HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

RECENTLY, HIDDEN PRAIRIE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN TOLD IN NUMEROUS MEETINGS THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL NOT INCREASE TRAFFIC THROUGH HIDDEN PRAIRIE NEIGHBORHOOD OR AT EDMONDS THIRD BUSIEST INTERSECTION AT 33RD IN KELLY.

NO ONE KNOWS HOW TRAFFIC WILL BE IMPACTED UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE.

WITH THIS NOT BEING GUARANTEED, IT CAN NEGATIVELY AFFECT HIDDEN PRAIRIE AND EDMOND RESIDENCE.

AFTER THIS PROJECT IS BUILT AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT, WE WOULD ASK IF THE BOARD IS REMOTELY CONSIDERING TO PASS THIS PLAN THAT THEY C THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDUCT A SEPARATE TRAFFIC STUDY FROM JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE 33RD.

AND KELLY HIDDEN PRAIRIE WAY TO KELLY POINT PARKWAY.

THE, THESE ARE THE STREETS THAT COVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

KELLY POINT DRIVE, EXIT TWO, KELLY AND KELLY POINT PARKWAY TO KELLY.

AGAIN,

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THEY ALREADY PROPOSED 228 UNITS, SO THEY DIDN'T SCALE BACK FROM THAT AMOUNT.

THEY WERE ALLOWED 240, THEY ALREADY SAID 2 28.

SO AFTER WE ASKED THEM TO SCALE BACK, THEY STILL DIDN'T BUILDING A MASONARY FENCE FOR PRIVACY, SECURITY AND SAFETY REASONS, SCALING BACK THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING FROM THEIR PROPOSED 42 FEET.

AGAIN, THEY ALREADY CAME IN AT 42 FEET.

THEY DID NOT SCALE THAT BACK.

REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF WINDOWS FACING, RESONANCE, HOME, EXTENDING THE BUFFER BETWEEN PROPERTY LINES.

HOWEVER, NONE OF THESE ITEMS WERE COMPROMISED ON.

ALSO, WE DISCUSSED RENT FOR EACH UNIT, WHICH WASN'T DETERMINED AT THAT TIME.

JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES PROVIDED RENT FOR EACH UNIT SIZE AT A LATER DATE BY SENDING MARKET COMPARABLES IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY EDMOND AREA.

THE MARKET COMPARABLES THEY PROVIDED DID NOT SEEM EQUIVALENT BASED ON THE AMENITIES THE PROPOSED COMPLEX WILL HAVE.

FOR INSTANCE, THESE RENTAL PROPERTIES WILL NOT HAVE COVERED, COVERED PARKING OR GARAGES, NOR WILL IT BE GATED.

PLUS WITH ONLY 405 PARKING SPACES, EACH UNIT WILL ONLY HAVE 1.7 PARKING SPACES WAS THAT WOULD BE INADEQUATE.

THEY DID CONDUCT A VISIBILITY STUDY, WHICH WE SAW, UM, HOW VISIBLE THE COMPLEX WILL BE FOR A NEARBY RESIDENCE.

HOWEVER, WHEN ASKED, THEY COULD NOT GUARANTEE THE ACCURACY OF THE VISIBILITY STUDY, WHICH I FIND TO BE ODD REZONING.

THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE EDMUND PLAN 2018, WHICH I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE FULLY AWARE OF, BUT MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM ARE NOT.

IT CLEARLY STATES THAT A YELLOW ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD BE THIS PU, SHOULD BE TREATED WITH CAUTION.

THESE ZONING DISTRICTS MAY HAVE COMPONENTS THAT CAN FIT INTO THE APPLICABLE PLAN CATEGORY, BUT ONLY UNDER CERTAIN CERTAIN CONDITIONS.

YELLOW REQUIRES INTENSE REVIEW, MUST CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE PUBLIC BENEFIT AND APPLICABLE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA.

UM, WHEN I WRITE OVER THE SUBURBAN S TWO NEIGHBORHOOD, IT CLEARLY STATES LARGE CO APARTMENT COMPLEXES PRESENT NUMEROUS CHALLENGES AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF, BUT THIS IS LITERALLY NOT EVEN 200 FEET FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THIS SECTION FOR SUBURBAN INFIELD STATES, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, SPECIAL CARE SHOULD BE TAKEN TO ENSURE THAT ALL THESE AREAS DEVELOP THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH AND CONTRIBUTE TO NEARBY DEVELOPED AREAS.

UM, NOTING THAT BEING COMPATIBLE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN LOOKING JUST LIKE, WHICH THEY DID BRING THAT UP IN OUR MEETING.

THEY SAID IT'S GONNA LOOK JUST LIKE THE OFFICE BUILDINGS, SO IT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR AND IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HE NOTED, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY CARS HE STATED, BUT, UM, PETRA IS ACTUALLY 11.85 ACRES.

SO THIS IS A 12 ACRE LOT.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH AN EMPLOYEE THERE.

THEY HAVE MOST OF THEIR EMPLOYEES WORK REMOTE, SO THEY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 70 EMPLOYEES IN OFFICE AND THEY HAVE ABOUT MAYBE 15 TO 20 SEMIS THAT GO UP KELLY POINT, UM, PARKWAY.

SO FOR I THINK THE NUMBER, UH, WAS IT LIKE 2300? IT WAS A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT, BUT UM, EVEN PETRA DOESN'T EVEN CAUSE THAT MUCH TRAFFIC CUZ MOST PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM HOME.

UM, SO JUST TO REITERATE MY CONCERNS, THIS REZONING REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT IN DEVELOPMENT FOR KELLY POINT SURROUNDING AREAS, REZONING, THIS AREA WOULD BREAK THE TRUST BETWEEN EDMOND RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF EDMOND REZONING.

THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE ADMIN PLAN.

2018, THE COVENANTS ESTABLISHED BASED ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE DEVELOPER FORESAW BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE PRIVACY, SECURITY AND SAFETY OF THE HIDDEN PRES.

HIDDEN PRAIRIE RESIDENTS ARE EXPOSED WITH MOVING 400 PLUS NEW RESIDENTS AND TO A 12 ACRE LOT LACK OF BUFFER BETWEEN RESIDENTS PROPERTY AND COMPLEX EROSION DRAINING ISSUES IN TRAFFIC.

AND THEN AS A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT PER POD REZONING, THERE APPEARS TO BE A LACK OF AMENITIES ACCORDING TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS.

IF THIS IS PASSED, WHAT TYPE OF GUARANTEE WILL THE LOCAL RESIDENTS HAVE? THE COMPLEX IS WELL MAINTAINED, MANAGED PROPERLY IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THEN DEVELOPER WILL CONTINUE TO OWN THE PROPERTY AS I DON'T BELIEVE HE LIVES IN STATE, AS HE MAY PLAN TO SELL IT TO ANOTHER INVESTOR IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE SHOULD N NOT BE COMPETING FOR OKLAHOMA CITY FOR BUILDING APARTMENTS AND TOWN HOMES.

OKLAHOMA'S POPULATION IS 1,018,000 AND HAS A TOTAL AREA OF 621 MILES.

EDMOND'S POPULATION IS 98,334, HAS A TOTAL AREA OF 87 MILES.

THAT'S ALL.

THANK, I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE HOLD THEIR APPLAUSE AND IF EVERYONE KEEPS CLAPPING, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND CLEAR THE ROOM.

UH, ALL WE NEED IS QUIET, COMMENT AND RESPECT.

PLEASE.

WOULD SOMEONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? YES MA'AM.

IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

MY NAME IS JONNA SANDERSON AT 1 25 SWEET GRASS CIRCLE.

UM, I JUST HAD A,

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UM, A QUESTION, COMMENT.

UM, IF IN FACT THIS WAS TO BE PASSED, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS NOT A STUDY DONE AT THE LIGHT AT, UM, KELLY POINT PARKWAY.

UM, MY CONCERN THERE IS THAT THERE IS A L A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE.

UM, IT IS ONLY ADEQUATE FOR ONE CAR.

UM, SO IF IN FACT THERE IS AN INFLUX OF TRAFFIC THERE, UM, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF EDMUND TAKES ON TO MAKE ADEQUATE FOR ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC THAT DOES INCREASE FROM, FROM THE, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX? UM, THE, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR MEETING, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPER.

UM, AND UM, BUT THE OUTFLOW OF TRAFFIC IS MY CONCERN.

I LIVE THERE.

I GO AT THE PEAK HOUR, UH, PEAK TRAFFIC.

IT, MY CONCERN IS NOT NECESSARILY THE TIMING OF THE LIGHT.

I DO APPRECIATE THAT HE ADDRESSED THAT.

UM, I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS AT THE, UH, DESK TO CHANGE THE TIMING OF THE LIGHTS THERE ON KELLY.

BUT LITERALLY, IF THERE'S TWO CARS THAT ARE TRAVELING EASTBOUND OR TURNING RIGHT, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR ANOTHER CAR TO TURN LEFT.

THERE'S JUST, THERE'S REALLY ONLY SPACE FOR ONE.

SO THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME.

IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAVELING OUT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE A ROUTE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT.

SO BACKUP TRAFFIC.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

MY QUESTION, WHO TAKES ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE, CHANGE UP OR ADJUST THAT ROAD? IT'S A, IT'S ONE LANE IN AND OUT.

ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE ONE AT KELLY POINT AND KELLY KELLY POINT? SO THE ACTUAL MAIN STREET? YEAH, THE MAIN STREET, KELLY POINT PARKWAY, THE LIGHT THERE AT KELLY POINT PARKWAY IN KELLY COMING THE, ON THE NORTH OR SOUTH OF PETRA? UM, IT WOULD BE, THERE'S TWO KELLY POINTS ON THE MAP SOUTH.

SOUTH OF PETRA.

THIS IS KELLY POINT TERRACE.

SO THEY'RE GOING, UM, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF KELLY, IT'S CENTENNIAL.

UM, AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE IT'S KELLY POINT PARKWAY.

SO, OKAY.

I DON'T, SINCE I KNOW AND WE WILL ATTEMPT TO GET THAT QUESTION ANSWERED FOR YOU, MA'AM.

SO THAT, I MEAN THAT'S JUST, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH NOW CUZ IF THERE'S, I MEAN, ONLY ONE PERSON CAN FIT THERE.

SO IF YOU HAVE THAT INFLUX OF TRAFFIC, IT IS A CONCERN FOR ME AS WELL.

SO, OKAY.

APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION.

THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT ONE BIT.

WOULD SOMEONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.

HI, MICHELLE EVANS.

I LIVE AT 28 0 1 FIRE WHEEL ROAD AND I WORK FROM HOME WHEN I'M NOT IN COURT.

AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SAY.

I, I THINK BRANDY COVERED MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS, BUT I COME FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE ON THAT SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LIVE AT FIRE WHEEL AND HIDDEN PRAIRIE WAY, UH, WHICH IS, UH, THIS LITTLE ROUND ROUNDABOUT SEA FIRE WHEEL WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH HIDDEN PRAIRIE, UM, OR SEE BASICALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE TREES.

UH, SO MY POINT WOULD BE THAT I'VE LIVED THERE SIX YEARS.

WE HAVE CONSTANT SPEEDING.

SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE ABOUT THIS PROJECT, AND I, I'M A GRANDDAUGHTER AND DAUGHTER OF DEVELOPERS, UH, HOME BUILDERS AND NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDERS, SO, UH, DEVELOPERS.

SO I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, I UNDERSTAND DEVELOPING, I UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND I KNOW MR. FA FARHA, I LIKE MR. FARHA.

MY ISSUE IS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UH, IS FED THROUGH BY ALL THE, BY ALL THE, UH, OFFICE BUILDING PEOPLE IN PETRA ALREADY, UH, WHICH IS FINE, THAT WAS THERE WHEN WE SIGNED UP AND BOUGHT OUR HOMES.

HOWEVER, WITH AMAZON, FEDEX, UH, THE HIGH TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH 33RD, AND KELLY, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BECOME A VERY POPULAR PASSTHROUGH TO AVOID THE TRAFFIC AT 33RD.

AND KELLY, THERE'S NO STOP SIGNS THROUGH THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD EXCEPT FOR WHERE THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC TO PASS THROUGH WHEN YOU GET TO THE, IT'S FURTHER BACK THERE.

YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THIS MAP, BUT, UH, TO GET TO THE, UH, TO THE NORTH, WELL, TO THAT NORTH, UH, LIGHT THAT GOES OUT ONTO KELLY.

UH, THERE'S NO NO STOP SIGNS.

PEOPLE, THE UNDULATIONS DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR SPEEDING

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AND I WATCH IT EVERY DAY BECAUSE IF I'M NOT IN COURT, I'M IN MY OFFICE, WHICH LOOKS OUT RIGHT ONTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I CAN HEAR THE CARS SPEEDING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD I GAVE UP CALLING THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY COME RIGHT OUT AND THEY GIVE TICKETS.

AND THE NEXT DAY IT'S THE SAME THING AGAIN.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WHILE SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA, AND I UNDERSTAND WE NEED ROOFTOPS, BUT THERE IS A HIGH DENSITY OF PEOPLE ALREADY IN THIS QUARTER SECTION OF THIS AREA IN EDMOND.

AND THERE'S NO WAY TO CONTROL ALL THE, THE VEHICLES AND ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH THIS QUARTER SECTION OF EDMOND.

UH, AND IF YOU ADD THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE, I MEAN, YOU'RE BASICALLY ADDING ON 33% MORE THAN THERE ALREADY IS AND RIGHT BY A VERY, VERY BUSY INTERSECTION.

SO I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT IT'S, IT'S GONNA MAKE A BAD PROBLEM, BAD TRAFFIC PROBLEM IN EDMOND, EVEN WORSE.

AND I THINK THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED BY SOMEONE THAT IT'S NOT ME, BUT I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT THEM.

WERE THERE ANY CONSIDERATIONS TO MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR THAT AREA? WAS THAT ADDRESSED? WAS UH, WERE THERE OPTIONS THAT THE LANDOWNER COULD HAVE SOLD IT TO A BUILDER FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE INTENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MOVING SLIGHTLY FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL VERSUS A FAR EXTREME TO HIGH DENSITY APARTMENT DWELLINGS.

THANK YOU MS. EVANS.

BUT ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU FOR, AGAINST THE PROJECT? YES MA'AM.

IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD.

HI, MY NAME'S HEIDI KENNEDY.

I'M AT 1441 KELLY POINT PARKWAY.

I'M LITERALLY AT THE CORNER OF HIDDEN PRAIRIE AND KELLY POINT.

I'M NEW TO THE COMMUNITY.

I'VE BEEN HERE ONE YEAR.

UM, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THIS WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME.

UM, THERE HAVE BEEN MAJOR CONCERNS ADDRESSED, WHICH I AGREE WITH COMPLETELY.

I CAME FROM CALIFORNIA AND I LIVED IN A PREMIER COMMUNITY, WHICH I CONSIDER HIDDEN PRAIRIE TO BE.

IT'S WHY I PURCHASED HERE.

AND I'VE SEEN APARTMENT COMPLEXES COME IN AT THIS NATURE WHERE THEY'RE SAID TO BE LUXURY APARTMENTS AND THEY'RE NOT.

AND THE POPULATION OF THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX WILL EXCEED THE POPULATION OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT IMPACTS TRAFFIC, IT IMPACTS OUR WAY OF LIFE.

UM, IT IMPACTS OUR DAILY COMMUTES, COMMUTES TO SCHOOL FOR YOUNG KIDS.

I SEE THE BUS, THE BUS STOPS AT MY CORNER EVERY DAY.

I SEE THE TRAFFIC, THE SPEEDING, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACTUAL APARTMENT COMMUNITY IN AND OF ITSELF.

I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN CALIFORNIA.

UH, THEY DOUBLE IN SIZE FROM WHAT'S PROPOSED.

THE RENTERS ARE NOT OWNERS.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME ATTITUDE AS OWNERS TO PROPERTY IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE INTENT OF THE MANAGEMENT OF THIS COMPLEX.

ARE THESE LONG-TERM, UH, RENTAL AGREEMENTS OR ARE THESE MONTHLY RENTAL AGREEMENTS? WHAT, WHAT IS THE TRANSITION OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT EXCEEDS THE COMMUNITY? UM, WITHIN HIDDEN PRAIRIE SEEMS VERY TRANSIENT TO ME.

AND WHAT I NOTICED IN MY COMMUNITIES THAT I SAW IT HAPPEN TO IN CALIFORNIA IS THAT THEY DON'T MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.

THEY DON'T MAINTAIN THE BALCONY AREAS.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RULES OR GUIDELINES WHERE WE HAVE AN HOA THAT TELLS US WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO AS A COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW TO MAINTAIN THE VALUE OF OUR HOMES.

AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING PROPOSED ABOUT THAT.

AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A SURVEY ON TRAFFIC.

UM, WHAT WOULD THE CRIME RATE, CRIME, UH, RATE BE TO ADD THAT KIND OF POPULATION TO OUR COMMUNITY? CLEARLY THERE'S AN IMPACT THERE.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A STUDY ON THAT.

UM, WE'RE GETTING A LOT LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT GREAT FOR ME.

I GO OUT KELLY POINT, UM, PARKWAY TO KELLY POINT TERRACE AND I CAME TONIGHT AND ONE CAR GOT THROUGH THE LIGHT.

SO THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED.

BUT ADD OVER 240 PEOPLE, UNITS WITH FAMILIES, YOU'LL NEVER GET OUT.

SO WHAT, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS THAT IF THAT IS GOING TO GO IN? AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE IMPACT AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE TO PUT THIS IN OTHER THAN WE WANT TO PUT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IN AND YOU'RE REZONING FOR AN APARTMENT.

AND THE QUESTION THAT I HAD IS, THAT'S A FAR EXTREME FROM WHAT IT WAS ZONED AT ORIGINALLY.

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NOBODY'S ADDRESSED ANY OF THAT.

MS. KENNEDY.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR I GUESS I'M, THANK YOU MR. MOORE.

HI.

ED MOORE, UH, EDMOND NEIGHBORHOOD ALLIANCE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I, UM, JUST IN SUMMARY, I, I'M AMAZED AT THE COMMENTS THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE MADE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS ANOTHER CASE WHERE WE'VE USED THE 2018 PLAN IN THE PUD PROCESS TO, UH, UH, UH, GOTTA BE CAREFUL MY WORDS I USE.

UM, ANYWAY, WE USE THAT TO, UH, BREAK A TRUST WITH THE, WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS WE HAVE HERE IN, UH, IN EDMOND.

AND UH, UM, ANYWAY, JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT, ANOTHER QU QUICK QUESTION.

THINGS I THINK I KNOW, BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A WHILE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, IN PARAGRAPH SIX IT TALKS ABOUT THE, UH, PUBLIC 12 INCH WATER WILL BE LOCATED ALONG THE, AND THEN A PUBLIC AND THEY'LL BE CONNECTED IN WHO DOES THAT? DOES A DEVELOPER DO THAT OR DOES THE CITY OF EDMOND DO THAT? AND THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I HAVE FOR THE, UH, ENGINEERING SECTION.

ANOTHER THING I THINK I'VE SAID, THINK WE FOUND OUT, UH, IN THIS PROCESS HERE, I DIDN'T KNOW, UH, YEAH, I'VE KIND OF BEEN HERE ABOUT THE CASE WHERE WE NEEDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WELL, I THINK WE FOUND OUT IN THIS MEETING HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE A EUPHEMISM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A EUPHEMISM FOR HEIGHT DENSITY HOUSING.

JUST CONCLUDE MY REMARKS WITH THAT.

OKAY, MS. KENNEDY, SINCE YOU FELT LIKE YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR FULL BITE OF THE APPLE, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING RELEVANT TO ZONING, I WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO CONTINUE.

ARE YOU SURE? YES.

I THINK I JUST WAS CUT OFF, BUT THANK YOU.

WELL I, I THOUGHT YOU HAD COMPLETED AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU FELT LIKE YOU.

UH, NOW THAT'S THE APARTMENTS ITSELF.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY, WELL THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING OR ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR AGAINST PROJECT? YES SIR.

IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

GOOD EVENING DARREN PRESLEY.

2209 SWEET GRASS CIRCLE.

UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO AVOID BEING REDUNDANT CUZ IT'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION COVERED, BUT, UM, APOLOGIES IF I AM.

UM, REZONING, THE REZONING REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IN KELLY POINT AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

AND THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, SPARK THAT LIT THIS FIRE ON ALL THIS STUFF AS WE JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIALS NOW TURNED INTO, UH, APARTMENTS.

UM, IT BREAKS THE TRUST BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS, AS OTHERS HAVE SAID, AND THE FOLKS THAT HAVE COMMITTED TO MOVING IN AND INVESTING THEIR MONEY INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SORRY, I GOT A LOT OF NOTES.

TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE, ARE A BIG THING.

UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE, THE, THE NOTION THAT FOLKS ARE GOING TO SIT AT THE LIGHT AT 33RD AND KELLY RATHER THAN BACKTRACKING IF THEY WORK, IF THEY WORK WEST OF WHERE THEY LIVE, THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT, THAT BACK WAY EVERY TIME.

EVERY TIME IT'LL SAVE, IT'LL CUT MINUTES OFF THEIR COMMUTE RATHER THAN WAITING ON THE LIGHT THERE AT KELLY AND THEN A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN ON 33RD.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA SIT THROUGH THOSE.

I WOULDN'T DO IT.

I DON'T DO IT.

I GO THE BACK WAY.

UM, A LOT OF THIS, A LOT OF THESE NOTES ARE, UM, SITE SPECIFIC.

SO I'M TRYING TO AVOID THOSE SINCE YOU ASKED FOR IT TO BE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN THE, THE SITE.

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ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS THAT'LL BE IT FOR ME.

THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU MR. PRESLEY.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR, AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YES SIR.

IF YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD.

MY NAME'S DAN NELSON.

I'M AT TWO 20 HIDDEN PRAIRIE WAY.

UM, HEIDI'S MY NEIGHBOR BRADLEY WELCOME ME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHEN WE MOVED HERE FROM ACROSS TOWN, UH, JUST RIGHT AT TWO YEARS AGO, UM, WE MOVED FROM WEST EDMOND SPECIFICALLY TO THIS AREA WAS NOT, WE WERE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT AND WE WERE VERY PLEASED TO FIND IT KIND OF TUCKED AWAY.

THE LOCATION WAS WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR RESEARCH, UH, A LITTLE ECCENTRIC BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORING, UH, INDUSTRIAL, NOT THE INDUSTRIAL COMMUNITY, BUT THE BUSINESS PARKS AND WHATNOT.

BUT, UH, THE FACT THAT WE HAD, THE TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD WE DID WAS ITS MAIN SELLING POINT.

AND LOOKING BACK, IF THERE HAD BEEN A APARTMENT COMPLEX, LIKE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WHERE IT'S PROPOSED, IT WOULD'VE BEEN AN IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFICATION FOR OUR CONSIDERATION TO MOVE INTO THIS AREA.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY STAND TO BE TRUE FOR FUTURE FAMILIES THAT WANT TO MOVE INTO THE, THE HIDDEN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY.

UM, A LOT OF TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC.

I I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA DISPUTE THAT KELLY AND 30, 33RD WILL BE EVEN WORSE THAN IT IS TODAY, WHICH AGAIN, ISN'T GONNA BE, UH, UP TO DEBATE.

I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A FACT THAN ANYTHING.

UH, I FOR ONE KIND OF EM EMBELLISH THE IDEA OF MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD CUZ IT MIGHT, UH, DETER SUPERIOR CONSTRUCTION FROM RUNNING THEIR CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES DOWN OUR STREETS, DUMPING WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE DUMPING.

UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF FACE FACETIOUSNESS IN THAT STATEMENT, BUT GENERALLY JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE FROM SOMEBODY THAT HAD INTENTIONALLY TARGETED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, SITE THAT, UH, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX PARKED WHERE IT'S BEING PROPOSED WOULD'VE, LIKE I SAID, HAVE BEEN AN IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFICATION FOR CONSIDERATION FOR US TO MOVE THIS AREA.

I DO HAVE A SON GOING TO SANTA FE HIGH SCHOOL.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN GIVEN TO, UH, THAT SCHOOL AS WELL AS THE OTHERS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY SEE AN INCREASE IN ATTENDANCE BY NATURE OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING IN THERE.

BUT I'D JUST, I'D VOLUNTEER THAT FOR, UH, FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU MR. NELSON.

WHAT ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK HERE FOR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION IF I CAN THAT DIDN'T GET ADDRESSED.

IF YOU WILL STEP FORWARD AS LONG AS IT HAS TO DO DIRECTLY WITH ZONING, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

IT, UH, IT DOES THAT IT'S IMPACTFUL TO THE ZONING.

WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC, WE HAVEN'T TALKED AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYWHERE WITH REGARD TO THE CONSTRUCTION, THE TIMELINE FOR CONSTRUCTION, THE IMPACT OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'LL HAVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, TO OUR DAILY LIVES GETTING IN AND OUT WHILE THEY'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION FOR A MAJOR PROJECT HERE.

AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, BROUGHT UP HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE TO BUILD THIS APARTMENT.

AND, AND THAT'S REALLY NOT A ZONING ISSUE, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR, THAT'S NOT A, OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? OKAY.

I BELIEVE THAT THE PRIMARY, I'M SORRY.

YES SIR.

IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD, HAVE A QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, IF YOU, IF YOU'LL PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FIRST.

UH, I'M KEVIN KIM, UH, LEAVING AT 27 24 LANE.

THANK YOU SIR.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE BERMS. UH, CAN YOU POINT ME THAT OVER HERE OR DOES IT HAVE THE BERMS, I BELIEVE ARE GOING TO SURROUND THE PROJECT BASED UPON WHAT THE P U D STATES ON THE NORTH AND THE WEST SIDE ON THE NORTH AND WEST SIDE.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT MAP AGAIN OR DID I PUSH IT? SO THE BOMB WILL BE FROM THIS SLIDER HERE AND GO DOWN HERE? YES, SIR.

AND HOW FAR DOWN? ALL THE WAY ON THE WAY HERE.

RIGHT THERE.

WOW.

THE ISSUE OF REZONING? JT THOMPSON 32 SWEET GRASS CIRCLE? UH, I HAD QUESTIONS ON LIKE THE VALIDITY OF THE STUDY BEING DONE, UH, FOR THE ZONING.

AND ALSO YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE TREES.

UH, IT, THE TREE TAKE TIME, THE GROVES.

SO WHAT KIND TREE? YOU WANT THE PLANE OVER THERE TO MAKE SURE IT DANS ENOUGH TO COVER? I, I'LL RESPOND TO AND HE WILL ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS.

THAT'S WHAT WE WILL REVIEW THE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED AND WILL ATTEMPT TO HAVE THE APPLICANT GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THOSE.

AND ALSO, UH, TREES, YOU KNOW, OKLAHOMA WEATHER IS REALLY, UH, ROUGH.

SO IF THE TREE DIES, ARE YOU GOING TO REPLANT THEM OR NOT? THAT'S MY QUESTIONS MAY THANK YOU MR. KIM.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE PARTICULAR PROJECT IN REGARD TO

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DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANY THIRD PARTIES WERE USED, UH, SOUND LIKE THEY WERE ALL INTERNAL OR COMPANY RESOURCES USED.

SO GIVEN PAST PRETENSES, UM, TYPICALLY IF YOUR BOSS PAYS YOU TO DO SOMETHING, YOU'LL GIVE 'EM THE ANSWER YOU WANT TO GIVE.

SO I QUESTION, UH, HOW THAT'S BEING DONE.

UM, ANY ADDITIONAL STUDIES ON CRIME AND VIOLENCE, HOW IT'LL AFFECT US AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY AS WELL AS BUSINESSES IN THE AREA AS WELL.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

CARS THAT MADE LEFTS THERE.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR, AGAINST THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? OKAY, WELL, LOOKING BACK AT THE COMMENTS, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRIMARY CONCERN WOULD BE ONE, UH, THE ISSUE OF, UH, TRAFFIC AND THE IMPACT UPON TRAFFIC.

AND IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AS THE APPLICANT.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE TURN LANE AND THE TRAFFIC GOING ON TO KELLY.

UH, IN REGARD TO THE VIEWS, ET CETERA.

I'VE GONE OUT TO THE SITE AND LOOKED AT THAT AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT MOST OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION HAVE AS WELL BECAUSE WE'RE, MOST OF US, I BELIEVE, ARE REASONABLY DILIGENT IN WHAT WE DO.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MUCH IN THE WAY OF VIEW.

UM, YOU ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF CRIME ASSOCIATED WITH APARTMENTS IF YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS IT WOULD IMPACT ZONING.

UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENTED ANYTHING OR ANY DOCUMENTS OR ANY OTHER INFORMATION DIRECTLY SHOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASE OTHER THAN ITS OPPOSED QUESTION OR CONCERN.

AND IF YOU COULD VERY QUICKLY ADDRESS THE ISSUES AGAIN IN REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY AS TO THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT YOU CONDUCTED.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT WAS NOT A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY AND WAS NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED AS A PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY, BUT AS COMPARED TO WHAT OTHER POTENTIAL USE WOULD BE IN REGARD TO THE NUMBERS OF CARS, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

WILL DO.

THANK YOU SIR.

UH, CAN WE PUT THE PRE PRESENTATION BACK UP? SO FIRST, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT, UM, SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL KELLY POINT MASTER PLAN AND THE, THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HERE.

UH, IT ALLOWS FOR MORE THAN JUST INDUSTRIAL.

IT ALLOWS FOR TRANSIENT ACCOMMODATIONS OR A HOTEL.

UM, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF ROOMS THE HOTEL WOULD HAVE, THAT WOULD BE A TRA TRAFFIC GENERATOR AS WELL.

SO WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT JUST AN INDUSTRIAL USE.

THERE WERE OTHER USES ALLOWED IN THE, IN THE MASTER PLAN.

AND RANDY, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T GO BACK AND LOOK.

WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THIS ORIGINALLY, BUT IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.

UH, I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME HERE, I CAN TELL YOU.

SO WHILE, WHILE RANDY'S LOOKING THAT UP, THE COMMENT ABOUT STUDIES, UH, WE ARE A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING COMPANY AND UM, WE SIGN AND SEAL OUR STUFF, WE DON'T MAKE IT FIT TO THE PROJECT.

WE'RE, THAT'S OUR BUSINESS.

UH, AND I'VE BEEN SIGNING SEALING PLANS FOR OVER 46 YEARS, SO I'M NOT GONNA SCREW UP A THAT LONG OF A CAREER.

UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

WE DID WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS NEEDED TO SEE RELATIVE TO THE FACT THAT KELLY HAS ALREADY FULLY DEVELOPED AS A DIVIDED FOUR-LANE ARTERIAL STREET AND FULLY SIGNALED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AT 33RD AND SIGNALED, UH, FULLY NORTH AND SOUTH AT, UH, THE TWO KELLY, UH, ACCESS POINTS.

SO I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THIS WAS ONLY ONE LANE WIDE HERE.

UH, WE DID NOT CONSIDER THE TRIPS THERE, WE DIDN'T TAKE ACCOUNT THERE BECAUSE IT ALREADY IS FULLY SIGNALED AS PART OF OUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND ANY OTHER TRAFFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT THE, UH, ENGINEERING STAFF WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT.

UH, AS MENTIONED, PART OF THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE DELAY HERE.

UH, I WAS SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF

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UH, AND WE DID COUNT PROBABLY 10 SCHOOL BUSES DURING THE MORNING PEAK.

UH, NONE OF THE SCHOOL BUSES WERE DELAYED .

THEY DIDN'T STOP FOR ANYBODY.

THEY JUST ROLLED RIGHT OUT THERE.

UM, AND THEN, UH, UH, REGARDING THE, UM, UH, THERE WAS COMMENT ABOUT THE RENTAL.

SO THIS IS BEING DEVELOPED BY E R C, THEIR HOME BASES IN ARKANSAS.

THEY HAD BEEN DEVELOPING IN OKLAHOMA CITY, UH, IN THE METRO AREA FOR OVER 30 YEARS THAT I KNOW OF.

UH, ROB COLEMAN WHO MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN PERSON.

HE IS A THIRD GENERATION COLEMAN DEVELOPER.

THEY BUILD THEIR PROJECTS TO KEEP, UH, I KNOW OF ONE PROJECT IN ARKANSAS THAT THEY'RE SELLING.

THEY HAD A BUYER THAT JUST WANTED IT REALLY BAD.

UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'VE HEARD OF IN, IN MY DEALINGS WITH THEM IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.

DID YOU FIND THE DATE IT WAS ZONED FOR F1 IN 1991? THAT'S, IT'S A WHILE AGO.

AND I THINK AS TIME GOES, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING PROCESS IS A PROCESS.

IT'S NOT A PROCESS TO BREAK TRUST, IT'S A PROCESS TO ALLOW FOR CHANGES IN USES, CHANGES IN TIME.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD NOW.

THINGS CHANGE.

UM, THIS IS CONSIDERED AN UPSCALE APARTMENT.

THE ONE BEDROOMS ARE GONNA, UH, RENT FOR ABOUT 1300 BUCKS BASED ON THE MARKET STUDY.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE THOUGHT THAT APARTMENTS BRING CRIME, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STUDIES.

MARK AND JESSICA BOTH ARE URBAN PLANNERS, LICENSED URBAN PLANNERS.

WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY MARKET STUDIES THAT TALK ABOUT THAT.

UM, THEY BOTH LIVE IN AN APARTMENT.

I LIVED IN AN APARTMENT 45 YEARS AGO BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE STARTING OUT, THAT'S MAYBE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.

HOWEVER, THIS, THE MILLENNIALS, UH, NOT TO BRACKET PEOPLE, BUT A LOT OF 'EM ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE IN A, IN A, IN A APARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO OWNING A HOUSE THESE DAYS.

THAT TREND IS HUGE.

UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEING THE INFLUX ON A MULTI-FAMILY GO UP SO HIGH.

AND IT'S NOT CHEAP MULTI-FAMILY, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE THOSE PROJECTS.

UM, THESE ARE HIGH END.

WE'RE DOING A PROJECT ON BROADWAY THAT'S, IT'S A WRAP PROJECT IN THE SUBURBAN AREA, WHICH YOU NEVER HEAR OF, BUT IT'S TO BRING A HIGH-END UNIT TO THE WORKING FORCE THERE AT UH, AMERICAN FIDELITY.

UM, SO THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THE APARTMENTS I THINK NEEDS TO BE RECONSIDERED, UH, ABOUT THE ENGINEERING EXTENDING WATER MAINS, THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE DEVELOPER WATER AND SEWER MAINS EXTENSIONS, ALL THE PAVING ALL BE ON THE DEVELOPER.

UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RANDY, BUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM GETS NOTIFIED WHEN WE MAKE AN APPLICATION.

YES.

SO THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED, UH, WITH REGARD TO TREES.

SO WE COME IN WITH OUR SITE PLANT APPROVAL, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

WE'LL NAME THE TREES, WE'LL SPECIFY THE TREES BECAUSE IT IS SO HEAVILY COVERED IN WOODS HERE AND HERE.

THE THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, PUTTING, UH, MORE COLORED, UH, PLANTS ON THE BERM THAT WOULD BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THE INSIDE, UH, IS PART OF THE THOUGHT PROCESSES ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

SO YOU MIGHT SEE SOME FLOWERING TREES AS OPPOSED TO GIANT OAK TREES THERE BECAUSE THE HARDWOODS ARE ALREADY THERE.

UM, AND THEY, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, E R C WILL HAVE A FULL-TIME, UH, RENTAL STAFF ON SITE, UH, MONITORING THE COMINGS AND GOINGS OF THEIR TENANTS.

UM, THE PARKING WAS MENTIONED, UH, NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH PARKING.

OUR P U D SAYS THAT THE PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED TO MEET CODE AND THAT'S WHAT IT, IT INTENDS TO DO.

IT'S ACTUALLY EXCEEDING CODE A LITTLE BIT.

UM, DID I TOUCH ON EVERYTHING MR. VICE CHAIR? I, I THINK YOU DID.

THAT WAS DIRECTLY RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO ZONING AND NOT SO MUCH SITE PLAN.

AND, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RANDY, AT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE ISSUE OF ZONING AND IF WE REACH THE POINT OF SITE PLAN AND FURTHER STUDIES INDICATE THAT WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC AND SIGNALIZATION, THAT IS A DIRECT CAUSE OF THIS APPLICANT.

IT IS NOT UNUSUAL TO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO ASSIST IN RESOLVING THOSE ISSUES.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS NOT UNHEARD OF.

THAT HAPPENS QUITE A BIT .

OTHERS AS WELL, LANDSCAPING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND POTENTIALLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME WOULD BE WHEN IT COULD BE ADDRESSED.

UH UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD HERE WOULD BE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE AND CORRECT THOSE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

SPECIFICALLY, SPECIFICALLY THOSE RELATED TO TRAFFIC, BUT

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I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? AND SO REMIND ME THOUGH, I'M SORRY.

UM, YOU DID, YOU WENT DOWN THE HIDDEN PRAIRIE, UM, AND LOOKED AT THAT EXIT GOING ONTO 33RD.

THERE ARE NO STOP SIGNS AT ALL ON THAT ENTIRE ROAD, CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? YOU WERE JUST RELYING ON THE ANGULATION THERE? MM-HMM.

, THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, I WOULD ASSUME IF WE GO FORWARD THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BY THE CITY.

CAUSE THOSE ARE PUBLIC STREETS.

I ASSUME THOSE ARE NOT OWNED BY THE HOA.

I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE PUBLIC.

THAT'S PUBLIC ROADWAY? YEAH.

THEY'RE NOT POSTED AS PRIVATE WHEN I WAS OUT THERE.

ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE WOULD BE KIND OF HELP RANDY, HELP ME, UH, IN THE, IN THE COMMISSION UNDERSTAND JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS COMPLIES OR WOULD FIT THE 2018 PLAN.

CAN YOU ELABORATE SOME ON THAT A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE SURE? UM, SURE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE AREAS DESIGNATED FOR EMPLOYMENT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE A LOT OF AROUND IT, UH, PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION IS IT DOES MENTION THAT HOUSING WOULD BE, COULD BE APPROPRIATE, UH, IF IT IS WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THAT EMPLOYMENT.

SO PEOPLE COULD LIVE THERE, WALK BY, DRIVE EASILY DRIVE TO THOSE JOBS.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT TAKE, WE FEEL THE APARTMENTS ARE APPROPRIATE IN THIS LOCATION.

AND I KNOW HOTEL, ACTUALLY I'VE SEEN TWO DIFFERENT HOTEL PLANS OVER THE LAST COUPLE DECADES.

IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON THIS SITE AS WELL.

SO YEAH, HOTEL IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.

WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IF IT WERE A HOTEL.

RIGHT.

AND THEN ALSO IF WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE 91 DESIGNATION OF, OF INDUSTRIAL, I ASSUME THAT WOULD ALSO EVEN ALLOW FOR GROW HOUSES AT THIS POINT, CUZ IT PROBABLY DIDN'T RESTRICT THAT AT THAT TIME.

IT WOULD, YEAH.

I'LL DO ANY OF THE MEMBERS I SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON A HOTEL WOULD BE 48 FEET, WHICH IS THREE STORIES OR FOUR TYPICALLY UP TO FOUR.

FOUR, OKAY.

UH, YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ECHO BRIAN.

UM, WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE PLANNING OR FOR THE, UH, SITE PLAN, UM, MAYBE HIDDEN PRAIRIE WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF OUR SPEED BUMPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IF THERE'S A, I MEAN, I BELIEVE, UH, I THINK IT WAS MS. EVANS SAID THAT, I MEAN, YOU GOTTA BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE LIVE THERE AND THERE HAS TO BE SOME SPEEDING ISSUES.

BUT I DO WANT TO COMMEND THE DEVELOPERS IN COMING UP WITH THE BERMS, UM, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS SITE, YOU KNOW, LINES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU MAKING SOME CONCESSIONS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? UH, QUICK QUESTION ALSO.

I, I THINK THAT, UH, TO GO ALONG WITH WHAT KEN WAS SAYING, THAT UH, I THINK AS WE LOOK AT SITE PLAN, THOSE LEFT TURN LANES ON, UH, KELLY DEFINITELY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE CAR IS NOT, IS NOT GONNA WORK.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IF THIS WAS DEVELOPED, UM, YOU KNOW, IN A OFFICE COMPLEX, UH, LIKE THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE THERE, UH, WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU GUESSTIMATE OF THAT WHOLE, IF THAT WHOLE 12 ACRE WAS DEVELOPED AS OFFICE WITH THE CURRENT TYPE OF BUILDINGS THERE? WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC WOULD THAT ADD? UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, IT WAS ON ONE OF THE SLIDES.

IT'S 2300, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT FAR BACK.

YEAH, , IT WAS, IT WAS ACTUALLY A, I THOUGHT YOU, IT WAS A GREATER NUMBER THAN WHAT, UH, 2382 IF IT WAS DEVELOPED AS, UH, OFFICE AND WE'RE, UH, THAT'S RIGHT THERE AND WE'RE GENERATING 1506.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE.

IF, UH, IF THEY, IF IT, IF THIS IS REJECTED AND OFFICE COMPLEXES WENT THERE, THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT WAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? MAYBE JUST EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY WHAT OUR VOTE MEANS, WHERE IT WOULD GO, AND THEN WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS FOR EVERYBODY.

WELL, UM, BASICALLY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY IS THE ISSUE OF REZONING.

AND THAT IS WHETHER OR NOT A P U D WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

UM, ON THE ISSUES OF SITE PLAN, THERE'S MORE IN-DEPTH INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED.

AND SO AT THAT POINT IN TIME, UM, NUMBERS, UH, NUMBERS OF CARS, PASSING TRAFFIC, A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS, SOME OF THE ISSUES REGARDING WHAT TYPE OF TREES ARE GOING TO BE THERE AND WHERE, UH, WOULD BE ADDRESSED.

THE ISSUE SPECIFICALLY HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE P U D IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA IN LIGHT OF THE PROJECT.

UM, I MEAN ONE OF THE MOST COMPELLING THINGS FOR ME IN REGARD TO THE ISSUE OF TRAFFIC STUDY HERE IS WHEN, UH, THE INFORMATION WAS INDICATED THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOOKING AT MORE CARS POTENTIALLY IN THAT AREA IF YOU ENDED UP DOING WITH DEPARTMENT.

AND EVERYONE HERE IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO GO AHEAD AND BRING US A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THE NEXT TIME THAT WE LOOK AT THIS AND WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LISTEN TO YOUR EXPERT.

BUT WE'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS THE BEST THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO.

UH, I KNOW MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, WE'VE GONE OUT, I PERSONALLY HAVE DRIVEN, WAS DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE STREET OUT

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THERE YESTERDAY.

I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED SPECIFICALLY BY UH, HOW DENSE THE, UH, GROWTH WAS WITH TREES AND, AND HOW YOU COULDN'T SEE THE BUILDING.

YOU CAN SEE THE ONE BUILDING SLIGHTLY IN THE AREA THAT'S THERE.

UH, LOOKED AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, PULLED INTO THE CUL-DE-SACS THERE ON THE, UH, NORTH END OF THE PROJECT TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE.

GOT OUT AND WANDERED ALONG AND GOT MUD ALL OVER MY SHOES OVER BY WHERE THE CREEK IS THERE ON THAT NORTH AREA.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE WHAT WE DO HERE SERIOUSLY.

AND, UH, EVERYONE SEEMS LIKE, WELL ANYWAY, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOVE YOUR BRIEF SECOND.

UH, THE REZONING IS APPROVED BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

YOU ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THIS MATTER ON, UH, FEBRUARY 27TH, AT WHICH POINT IN TIME IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU COULD CERTAINLY BRING INFORMATION REGARDING TRAFFIC STUDIES, CRIME, STATISTICS, ET CETERA.

AND THAT WAY, UH, THEY WOULD PERHAPS HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO REVIEW.