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[1. Call to Order:]
CONVENE THE TUESDAY, MARCH 7TH, 2023.EDMOND PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER QUORUMS PRESENT.
[2. Approval of Minutes: February 21, 2023]
ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 21ST, 2023.WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE.
ARE THERE ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE IS WRITTEN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
THERE ARE NO ITEMS ON THE CONTINUANCE DOCKET.
[4. Public Hearing - Consent Docket: (Items on the consent docket are recommended for approval by the Staff and will be voted on as a group, unless members of the commission or the public request individual action on an item).]
FOUR IS OUR CONSENT DOCKET.ITEMS ON THE CONSENT DOCKET ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE STAFF WE VOTED ON AS A GROUP UNLESS MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSIONER PUBLISHED REQUEST.
UH, ITEM FOUR A IS CASE DD 23 DASH 0 0 0 1.
IT'S CONSIDERATION OF DEED CERTIFICATION FOR BLUE STEM RIDGES TRACK FOUR B LOCATED ON BLUEST STEM ROAD NORTH OF 15TH STREET.
TREY KENNARD'S, THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT PRESENT MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVING COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENT FIVE, OR EXCUSE ME, FOUR.
IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT DOCKET MOTION.
THE CONSENT DOCKET'S APPROVED FIVE TO ZERO.
AND SIR, THAT ITEM, IT'S TASKED WITH THE CITY'S COMPLETE TONIGHT.
[A. Case #Z22-00030 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “G-A” General Agriculture to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for Liberty Park, located northeast of Coltrane and Coffee Creek (Halff Associates) (Ward 2) ]
ITEM FIVE A OF UNDER OUR DISCUSSION DOCKET ITEM FIVE A IS CASE Z 22 DASH TRIPLE ZERO 30.IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE TO P U D PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR LIBERTY PARK LOCATED NORTHEAST OF COLTRANE IN COFFEE CREEK, HALF AN ASSOCIATES THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT.
MS. MCCONE, WOULD YOU KINDLY INTRODUCE FIVE A PLEASE? YES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A P A D TO ALLOW A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT NORTH OF COFFEE CREEK ROAD, EAST OF COAL TRAIN ROAD.
THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED GA GENERAL AGRICULTURE.
THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH AND EAST ARE VACANT PARCEL ZONE GA TO THE SOUTH ACROSS COFFEE CREEK IS THE STONEHILL AT IRON HORSE RANCH DEVELOPMENT ZONE P U D AND TWO.
THE WEST IS THE CENTENNIAL AT IRONHORSE RANCH DEVELOPMENT IN CENTENNIAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ZONE GA AND A SINGLE FAMILY.
THE P U D PROPOSES TWO TRACKS.
TRACK ONE IS APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES ON THE SOUTH WILL CONSIST OF 26,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL USES, ALONG WITH 173 RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WILL NOT EXCEED 16 UNITS PER ACRE.
TRACK TWO IS 57 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF 241 RESIDENTIAL UNITS OF VARYING TYPES NOT TO EXCEED 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE P U D COMMITS TO HIGH DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND WILL PROVIDE SCREENING TO THE ADJACENT CENTENNIAL IRON HORSE RANCH DEVELOPMENT WITH A 50 FOOT TREE BUFFER BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, THE STREETS WILL BE PRIVATE.
THE EDMOND PLAN 2018 DESIGNATES THIS LAND AS MIXED USE CAMPUS, WHICH ANTICIPATES A VARIETY OF USES INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL.
THE P U D HAS INCORPORATED THESE GOALS.
THE APPLICANT HAS HELD SEVERAL TOWN HALL STYLE MEETINGS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THROUGHOUT THEIR DESIGN PROCESS AND INCORPORATED MUCH OF THEIR INPUT THEY HAVE RECEIVED ALONG THE WAY.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? MR. BOX? YES.
CALL FORD DRIVE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WHO'S ALSO HERE WITH US.
UH, A STAFF INDICATED THIS IS, UH, A PROJECT THAT HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT OF, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE WAS MANY CHARETTES THAT WERE HELD.
MY CLIENT'S GONNA KIND OF WALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND WHAT CAME OUT OF IT, BUT IT'S A MIXED USE PRODUCT THAT OFFERS A LOT OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL TYPES AND COMMERCIAL TYPES THAT WE BELIEVE ARE IN NEED IN EDMOND.
IT'S, UH, COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, AND STAFF OF COURSE DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO MY, MY CLIENT TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHY THEY FELT THE, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS IMPORTANT AND ULTIMATELY WHAT CAME FROM.
IF YOU COULD KINDLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
THAT UP THAT'S GONNA BE, THERE YOU GO.
ARE YOU DOING I WHY YOU DO SOME.
DO YOU WANT IT? IT'S GOT A POINTER.
I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE OUTREACH.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THE OUTREACH MORE THAN ANYTHING.
SO I KIND OF HAVE A LIST HERE OF OUR OUTREACH DATES.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF SPUR MY MEMORY.
SO I HAVE DEVELOPED LAND AND I HAVE BUILT HOUSES IN EDMOND SINCE 2011.
UM, WE HAVE DONE DEVELOPMENTS.
I HAVE NEVER QUITE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE.
WE WANTED TO BE VERY, WE WANTED TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE WANTED TO REALLY HAVE A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT FOR THIS, NOT ONLY WITH OUR, THE CITIZENS OF EDMOND, BUT ALSO
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WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, FIRE UTILITIES ENGINEERING.IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WERE EXCITED ABOUT.
SO WE KIND OF HAD KIND OF GOT A, A LIST HERE OF WE, BEFORE WE EVEN PURCHASED THE LAND, WHEN IT WAS UNDER CONTRACT, WE TALKED TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
HEY, WHAT IS YOUR FEELING OF THIS? WHAT'S YOUR THINKING OF THIS? WE TALKED TO RANDY INS, WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT OF THIS? THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, PER THE 2018 PLAN, THIS KIND OF FITS RIGHT IN.
SO THEN AT THAT POINT WE GOT WITH JONATHAN AT HALF AND WE GOT WITH DOVER COLE OUT OF MIAMI TO KIND OF START WORKING ON A LAND PLAN WITH THIS.
WE ENDED UP WITH A VERY PUBLIC CHARETTE AT THE ROD KEY HOUSE IN STEVENSON PARK.
SO WE DID THIS JULY 18TH THROUGH JULY 22ND, AND WE SENT OUT, I'M TRYING TO THINK, DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER HOW MANY? OVER 2000 MAILERS TO THE, UH, ADJACENT AREA OF THIS? SO TO PEOPLE IN IRONHORSE RANCH TO TWIN BRIDGES TO, UH, TOWN SQUARE, WE KIND OF, ANYBODY IN THIS LOCAL AREA, WE SENT OUT MAILERS BACK, COME, COME TO OUR OPEN HOUSE, HAD A NICE LARGE OPEN HOUSE, KIND OF WALKED EVERYBODY THROUGH THE PROCESS THROUGH THE FIVE DAYS, UM, HAD OPEN HOUSES WHERE WE HAD ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHERE, UM, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE SOME CHANGES.
I WISH KIND OF THROUGH SOME OF IT WE COULD SHOW YOU HOW THE PLAN STARTED TO WHERE THE PLAN WENT OF TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS IN CENTENNIAL TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS.
SO JUST RUNNING THROUGH IT REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, WE MET WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE HAD A, WE CALLED CHARETTE WITH THAT.
AT THAT CHARETTE WE MET WITH PARKS AND REC.
WE MET WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE MET WITH, UM, WHO ELSE DID WE MEET? NOT PLANNING COMMITMENT.
WE ALSO THEN I THINK ONE OF THE BEST ONES THAT WE HAD WAS WE HAD A CALL WITH THE EDMUND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, MAINLY BECAUSE OF CENTENNIAL.
AND SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS CREATE MORE WALKABILITY AND BIKEABILITY INSIDE THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO KIND OF GET, I KNOW AS PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE WITH THIS IS SOMEBODY 48 32 DEERFIELD DRIVE.
I AM A RESIDENT OF CENTENNIAL.
I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT DRIVING BY CENTENNIAL WHEN THEY'RE A SCHOOL DROP OFF SCHOOL PICKUP IS WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO SOLVE THAT.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF, HEY, HOW CAN WE CONNECT WALKABILITY TO IT? WE HAVE THAT DRAWN IN.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE CITY UP.
HOW CAN WE GET A ROAD THAT WE CAN DO A CUL-DE-SAC AT THE BACK FOR WHEN THE, THE, THE WEATHER IS BAD TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF OF REPUBLIC STREETS.
SO IN THAT MAILOUTS TO 5,148 PEOPLE, WE HAVE AN INSTAGRAM FOLLOWING OF 780 FOLLOWERS.
WE'VE MET WITH PLANNING, ENGINEERING, UTILITIES, FIRE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, URBAN FORESTRY, PARKS AND REC, EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, EDMOND CITY COUNCIL, E EPA, AND THE EDMOND CHAMBER.
BUT STILL, MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK WHAT WE DID BY OPENING UP THE CHARETTE TO THE PUBLIC AND SENDING IT OUT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THEY WANTED.
UM, THAT IS A LOT OF THE STUFF I'LL KIND OF TOUCH ON ON THE COMMERCIAL AND THEN I'LL BE DONE WITH THIS, IS THE COMMERCIAL IS NOT BIG BOX AS A RESIDENCE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE LOCAL.
WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE COMMUNITY BREAKFAST PLACES, COMMUNITY BARS, COMMUNITY LUNCH SPOTS, SERVING BURGERS AND TACOS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, I WILL GET DOWN FROM HERE AND I'LL LET MR. BOX COME BACK UP.
REAL BRIEFLY, UM, JONATHAN AND I WORKED TOGETHER ON, UH, THE WHEELER PROJECT, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, GRIFFITH PARK.
AND SO IF YOU REVIEWED THE PUT IT'S, IT'S SET UP MUCH LIKE THAT.
UM, WE'VE HAD SUCCESS IN, IN WORKING WITH, UH, CITY STAFF AND EDMOND ON THE, THE GRIFFITH PROJECT.
AND SO WE, WE'VE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER A P U D THAT IN FUNCTION WORKS LIKE THAT, BUT IS SPECIFIC TO THIS.
SO, UM, WE HOPE WE'VE CREATED A PROJECT THAT'LL BE SUCCESSFUL AND, AND ONE THAT, UH, THE CITY CAN BE PROUD OF.
SO WITH THAT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? I THINK I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT.
I AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
UH, I DID ATTEND THE, UM, THE MEETING AT THE, UH, THE REESE HOUSE AND I WAS JUST REALLY IMPRESSED BY THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS CONDUCTED THAT AND, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, GOT THE INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS ALSO, LIKE THE DESIGN AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH THAT, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE ARE IN TRAFFIC.
AND I, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF, YOU KNOW, LIMITING THE, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE IN AND OUT, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S LIMITING THE, UH, THE TRAFFIC TO KEEP IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO GET ON THE STREET AND MAKING, UH, CONDITIONAL TRIPS BACK AND FORTH.
AND I THINK THAT MAKES IT A GOOD DESIGN, WALKABLE BIKEABLE,
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UH, IN, IN, IN THAT REGARD.SO I, I'M PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.
I HAD GOT AN EMAIL FROM A CITIZEN REGARDING THE BUFFER.
AND THE TREE AND THE TREE PRESERVATION.
SO YEAH, SO WE, WE ACHIEVED THE GOALS OF THE TREE PRESERVATION AND IN THE, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE COLORED SITE PLAN.
SO IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THIS IMAGE, BUT ALONG THE WEST WE HAVE A 50 FOOT TREE BUFFER, UH, WHERE IT'S ADJACENT TO THE, THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO IF YOU CAN SEE THE, THE AREA THAT'S HATCHED, THAT'S A 50 FOOT TREE BUFFER ALONG THE WEST WHERE IT'S ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL.
AND THAT CAME ABOUT BY TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE INCORPORATED AFTER THAT.
ARE THERE OTHERS PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM? THIS ITEM? UH, FIVE A FIVE.
DO I SEE YOUR HAND GO UP? YES.
ARE YOU GONNA ALLOW THEM, IF YOU COULD COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND.
I ALSO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT 46 16 GREEN COUNTRY ROAD.
SO MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO WHERE THIS IS GONNA TAKE PLACE.
MY QUESTION IS, THE WAY THAT THIS IS DRAWN IN THE DRAINAGE THE WAY IT IS NOW, IS THE CITY ALLOWING THEM FROM WHERE THE POND DRAINS OUT FOR THEM TO MOVE THE DRAINAGE ANY DIFFERENTLY? OR ARE YOU GONNA ALLOW IT TO TAKE NATURE'S PATH LIKE IN PREVIOUS ADDITIONS? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GET YOU AN ANSWER.
UH, JUST, UH, I'M GOING TO TAKE ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL GET 'EM ANSWERED.
ARE THERE OTHERS? PUBLIC COMMENT FIVE A.
UH, COREY BAYHAM, UH, 46 32 GREEN COUNTRY ROAD.
UM, I ALSO, UH, BACK UP TO THE, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, ATTENDED THE, UH, CHARETTES AND VARIOUS OTHER DISCUSSIONS.
UM, AND I, I DEFINITELY CAN ATTEST TO, UM, UH, DIFFERENT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR INPUT WERE PROVIDED AND, AND, UH, I APPRECIATED THAT.
UM, MY COMMENT, UH, IS, UH, IT'S NOTHING NEW TO, UH, THE PRO THE PROPOSALS.
IT'S ABOUT THE, UH, TREE BUFFER, UH, SPECIFICALLY AS IT GOES, UH, AGAINST, UM, THE CENTENNIAL IN BLACK PORT, BLACK, UH, BLACK FOLK NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, THERE'S A 50 FOOT TREE BUFFER THAT I UNDERSTAND IS IN GOING TO BE IN THE BACK OF THE, LOTS OF THE, UM, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
ONE IS, UM, WHAT KIND OF CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT, UH, SINCE IT'S IN SOMEBODY'S LOT, THAT THE TREES WILL REMAIN IN THE BACK OF THE LOTS? UM, IS THERE ANY KIND OF ENFORCEMENT THERE? IS IT KIND OF, UH, UP TO THE, EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNER AND THEN THE, WHERE THE, UH, GAP IS IN, IN YOUR FIGURE WHERE IT'S THE ORANGE AND IT GOES UP TIN, IT'S KIND OF PINK AND IT HAS A, UH, GAP THERE.
IS THAT GOING TO BE CLEARED OUT? CUZ THERE'S A, THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER AND THEN THERE'S A JUMP AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 50 FOOT BUFFER.
SO IS THAT GOING TO BE CLEARED OUT OR THE TREE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE THERE? THERE'S A WALL OF TREES THERE.
ARE THOSE GOING TO REMAIN? AND YOUR LAST NAME'S BAYHAM BINGHAM.
I LIVE AT FORTY SEVEN OH ONE DEER.
PULL THAT MICROPHONE TO YOU SO I CAN HEAR YOU.
YOU NEED ME TO REPEAT? I LIVE IN IRON HORSE IN WHITE OAK AND, UH, WELL, I DON'T BORDER THIS.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, AND MAYBE THIS WAS COVERED IN OTHER, OTHER AGENDAS, OTHER, I MEAN IN OTHER MEETINGS, BUT THE DENSITY OF THIS, I WONDER HOW IT COMPARES TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND IT.
I WONDER ABOUT THE ROAD ACCESS.
CUZ CURRENTLY WE HAVE TREMENDOUS, UH, TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AROUND FROM THREE TO FIVE, NOT EVEN COUNTING THE SCHOOL AND THE SCHOOL LETTING OUT, BUT, UH, JUST THE TRAFFIC, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET HOME.
COVELL AND COLTRANE TAKE 20 TO 30 MINUTES SOMETIMES TO GET THROUGH THE STOP SIGNS.
UH, LASTLY, I WONDER IF SOMEBODY WOULD, WOULD ADDRESS THE SCHOOL SITUATION.
UH, WHAT THE PLAN IS THERE WITH THIS TYPE OF DENSITY, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE KIDS AND WHAT THAT'LL MEAN TO THAT SCHOOL.
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YOU.ARE THERE OTHERS? OKAY, MR. BOX, I'VE GOT, AND MR. LAWRENCE, I'VE GOT THE, THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.
MR. BA'S GOT THE TWO QUESTIONS ON THE, THE TREE BUFFERS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE DENSITY ISSUE AND THE ROAD ISSUE.
THE SCHOOL ISSUE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER THE SCHOOLS.
THAT'S ENTIRELY UP TO THEM HOW THEY ADDRESS THAT.
SO I'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ITEMS, DENSITY, ROAD ACCESS, THE DRAINAGE AND THE TREE BUFFERS.
SO, UM, IF, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, JUST REAL BRIEFLY ON THE SCHOOL ISSUE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT WITHIN YOUR CONTROL, WE HAVE, UH, HAD AN OPEN DIALOGUE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
SO IN TERMS OF DENSITY, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DENSITY CALCULATIONS, IT'S DIFFERENT IN EACH TRACK BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS IN EACH TRACK.
DENSITY IS TYPICALLY A FUNCTION OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHETHER OR NOT THE DENSITY CALCULATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT THE, THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ULTIMATELY COUNSEL TH WAS APPROPRIATE ON THE COMP PLAN.
AS STAFF POINTS OUT, IT IS A MIXED USE CAMP, UH, CAMPUS DESIGNATION.
AND AS SUCH, THE DENSITY PROPOSED WITHIN ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THAT.
UM, I'M GONNA LET, UH, OUR ENGINEER TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE QUESTIONS.
UH, AND IT THINK HIS DENSITY QUESTION WAS MORE OR LESS HOW IT COMPARES TO THE OTHER SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IT IS MORE DENSE, IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT.
UM, IT'S A TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT WE BELIEVE EDMOND LACKS.
UM, AND THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT EDMOND NEEDS TO HAVE, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH A, A MIXED USE PRODUCT ALL CONTAINED IN ONE DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE'LL HAVE A MIX OF COMMERCIAL, A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, AND SO THE POSSIBILITIES OF ACCESSORY DWELLING.
SO IT IS NOT A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY ON LARGE LOTS.
SO YES, IT IS MORE DENSE THAN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT EXIST, BUT IN TERMS OF DENSITY, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF IS IT IDENTICAL? IT'S A QUESTION OF IS IT COMPATIBLE? EVEN THOUGH IT'S DIFFERENT.
WE BELIEVE IT'S COMPATIBLE EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DENSITY THAN HAS EXISTED IN THE PAST.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE TREE BUFFER, SO THE BUFFER IS REQUIRED UNDER THE P U D, SO IT IS, UM, ENFORCEABLE BY THE CITY.
UH, WE HAVE PUT IT ON THE SITE PLANS.
WE'VE PUT IT IN THE, UH, IN THE P U D ITSELF.
AND SO THAT TREE BUFFER IS REQUIRED UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS.
AND IF IT WERE APPROVED, OF COURSE IT WOULD BE APPROVED BY ORDINANCE AND THEREFORE WOULD, YOU KNOW, CARRY THE EFFECT OF LAW FOR US TO REMAIN, UH, HAVE THAT TREE BUFFER REMAIN.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE ROADWAY, JUST GO BACK, HE HAD TWO QUESTIONS ON THE TREE BUFFER, THE TREE AND THEN THE PRIVATE LOTS.
SO ONCE YOU BUY A LOT, THE TREES HAVE TO STAY.
SO IN, IN THEY'RE, WHEN YOU BUY A LOT, YOU BUY A LOT SUBJECT TO THE, THE ZONING HERE, YOU'RE BUYING A LOT SUBJECT TO THE P U D IF IT WERE APPROVED.
SO YOUR RULES WOULD BE AS CONTAINED IN THE P U D, UH, WHICH RUNS WITH THE LAND IF APPROVED.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESSED THEM BOTH.
AND ONCE YOU BRING UP WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE COVENANTS AND STUFF, YOU WOULD HAVE ENFORCEMENT AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT'S GONNA BE.
SOME OTHER DEALS WHICH IS APP PRIVATE, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T HAVE THAT IS CORRECT.
CITY HAVE MORE TEETH HERE WITH THE POD.
UH, SO ON I WILL HAVE THE ENGINEER COMMENT ON THE DRAINAGE AND THE ROAD ISSUE, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT WITH YOU.
JONATHAN HEISEL, 1805 COUNCIL BLUFF DRIVE HERE IN EDMOND, OKLAHOMA.
UM, LOOKING AT THIS DRAINAGE, WE DO PLAN ON KEEPING THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERN AS IT IS.
IT'S BASICALLY AN OVERFLOW FROM THE DETENTION POND UP UP TO THE NORTHWEST.
AND AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, WE, UH, HAVE PROVIDED IN THIS PHASE CONNECTIONS TO, UM, COAL TRAIN, UH, ACROSS THE SCHOOL PROPERTY A AS COORDINATED WITH THEM.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT FOUR DIFFERENT CONNECTIONS TO, UH, COFFEE, COFFEE CREEK ROAD WITH TWO POTENTIAL TO THE NORTH ON A FUTURE PHASE TO THE NORTH.
AND THEN, SO YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 OR SO SEVEN, UH, CONNECTIONS TO THE, TO THE EAST FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WILL BE, UH, DONE AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLATINUM FINAL PLATINUM.
WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU AS WELL.
EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THE DRAINAGE.
AND MR. LAWRENCE, IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING TO ADD IN ON THAT, DO SO PLEASE.
UM, WE ARE, UM, GONNA GO THROUGH THE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS WITH, UM, WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE SWAP BOARD AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE ON, ON THAT.
AND, UH, WE JUST HAVEN'T, UH, AS, AS FAR AS THE PROCESS GOES, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU'RE NOT REDIRECTING WATER.
IT'S THE SAME DRAINAGE PATTERNS THAT ARE, THAT ARE CURRENTLY.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, SIR? YEAH, UM, IT'LL BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL CITY ORDINANCES AND CODE REGARDING DRAINAGE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, AT THE PRELIMINARY PLA PORTION OF THE, OF THE PROJECT.
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UH, AS PART OF THAT, THEY WILL HAVE TO KEEP THE ESTABLISHED DRAINAGE, UH, PATHS, UH, THAT CURRENTLY EXIST.DID YOU HEAR THAT, SIR? THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION.
I DID, BUT IT'S DRAWING IN CORRECTLY ON THAT MAP THEN.
I STILL HAVE TO PASS THAT BULLET.
WE CAN, WE CAN MODIFY THAT A LITTLE THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT CORNER ON THE RED PIECE, THEN YEAH, WE CAN TWEAK THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BLOW THAT UP A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SEE IT.
IT'S KIND OF CLIPPING IT, IT'S NOT THE CREEK SO MUCH AS THE, THE, THE FLOODWAY IS, HIS LINE IS IN THE CORN BACK CORNER WHERE THAT, UH, TREE EASEMENT IS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, SIR? ACTUALLY THE, THE DRAINAGE.
WHERE'S MY HOUSE STEP UP HERE, IF YOU WOULD, LET ME SEE THAT POINTER IF I MAY.
THE REASON THIS IS A CONCERN, UM, THANK YOU.
I THINK YOU JUST MASHED THAT BUTTON.
SEE, IT DOESN'T FIGURE OUT FLY RED BUTTON.
THE REASON I KNOW THIS SO WELL, MY HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE.
I KNOW EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS BACK BEHIND HERE, THE WAY THIS IS DRAWN, THIS WOULD HAVE TO GO UPHILL TO DRAIN THIS DIRECTION.
SO THE WAY THIS DRAINS OUT OF THIS POND NOW IT COMES RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE'S GONNA BE HOUSES THERE, HOW DO YOU SET HOUSES WHERE THERE'S DRAINAGE? THAT'S, THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN.
AND IF YOU DID, YOU'RE, THERE'S, THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD, LIKE FROM THE POND HERE, THERE'S A TREE LINE THAT RUNS ALL THROUGH HERE AND IT RUNS RIGHT DOWN THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
IF THIS IS DRAWN THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AND THOSE HOUSES ARE GONNA SIT THERE, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT YOU WON'T HAVE DRAINAGE THROUGH.
THAT'S WHAT CONCERNED ME WHENEVER IT WENT OFF BASICALLY THIS DIRECTION.
THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION THAT IT GOES NOW.
AND I WAS A RESIDENT IN STIFLE CHASE FROM YEARS AGO AND SAT ON THAT WHENEVER WE HAD TO DO ALL THE RIFF WRAP THROUGH THERE AND WE WENT THROUGH EXTENSIVE THINGS TO GET IT KIND OF STRAIGHT AND THEN THAT WAY AND WHERE WE CAME HERE, WE WERE TOLD IT HAS TO GO WITH THE FLOW.
SO WE HAD TO ASSESS EVERY HOUSE IN THAT ADDITION, AN ADDITIONAL A THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT HAD TO GO BECAUSE YOU HAD TO FOLLOW NATURE'S PATH.
SO IF THAT IS, IF THEY MOVE THAT, THEN THERE'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF DIRT WORK.
THERE'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WILL BE LOST AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HOUSES LOOKING UPON HOUSES.
THAT'S ONLY MY, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.
OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THIS I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND I'M COMPLETELY ON BOARD WITH.
THE ONE THING I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH IS IF THEY HAVE TO MOVE THE DRAINAGE, BECAUSE IF THEY DO THAT, THEN YOU DESTROY A LOT OF THE TREE LINE AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF PRESERVE THAT AREA AND EVERYTHING SLOPES DOWN TO THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE A PRETTY BIG UNDERTAKING TO MOVE IT, BUT BY THIS MAP IT'S NOT.
MR. HAZEL, THE BLUE LINES PRESENTED ON THE MAP ARE WHAT WAS RECEIVED, UM, BY THE CITY ON THE FLOOD STUDY DONE BY MISHA AND UTLEY.
AND SO WE'VE SHOWN THOSE AND AS FAR AS THE FINE GRADING, WE CAN GET INTO THAT AND I, I BELIEVE WE CAN MODIFY THE FRONT PART OF THOSE LOTS TO ACC ACCOMMODATE THE CON CONTINUAL DRAINAGE TO NORTH TO THAT CREEK.
IF THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE IN THOSE LITTLE, THOSE ISOLATED PIECES THERE.
UM, IN THIS AREA TO THE, I THERE'S A LITTLE DRAINAGE BUFFER HERE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THESE HOUSES AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT, IS IT, IT GOES NORTH AND AND INTO THIS CREEK SO WE CAN PROVIDE SOME FILL IN, IN THIS AREA WHEN WE BUILD THE STREETS.
MR. LAWRENCE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND THAT? NO FOLLOW UP.
PLEASE STEP UP HERE AND, OKAY.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE 50 FOOT PART, THE PART THAT IS STILL NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR TO ME IS THE, THE GAP IN BETWEEN WHERE THE, WHERE THE, THE TOP, UH, FUSIA PINK LOTS, UH, STOP AND THEN WHERE THE ORANGE LOTS, UH, BEGIN THAT YES SIR PART IS A TREE LINE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT PART? WE'VE RESERVED THAT AREA AS, AS
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PART OF THE TREE BUFFER AND IN KEEPING THE CONSISTENT, UM, DRAIN FLOW AS, AS AS SHOWN AS CURRENT CURRENTLY EXISTS.I'VE LISTENED TO THIS SINCE IT STARTED.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE YOUNG LADY WHEN IT FIRST STARTED.
I HAVE NOT HEARD TO THIS MOMENT WHAT THE UNITS PER ACRE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE DIFFERENT FROM THE SURROUNDINGS.
WHAT ARE THE UNITS PER ACRE FOR YOUR DEVELOPMENT? 16.
IN UH, TRACK ONE, WHICH IS THE SOUTH TRACK, IT'S 16 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND IN TRACK TWO IT'S 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND YOUR START ON THIS, THERE WAS ANOTHER OR TWO MORE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS.
HOW MUCH LAND IS THERE, HOW MUCH DEVELOPMENT IS AND WHAT'S THE PROPOSAL OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THOSE UNITS PER ACRE AS THIS DEVELOPMENT AND OTHERS IN THE AREA GO ON? IF WE START WITH THIS AT 16TH, WILL THEY JUMP UP? WILL THEY GET MORE AND MORE? THESE PS ARE GOING MORE AND MORE CONCENTRATION EVERY TIME THEY SHOW UP.
I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH THE SCHOOLS, WHAT'S THERE AND THE EXISTING TRAFFIC.
LAST CALL, PUBLIC COMMENT? YES SIR.
SIRMANS RYAN BOXWELL AT 45 0 8 GREEN COUNTRY ROAD.
UM, DO YOU HAVE THAT POINTER AVAILABLE STILL? YES.
THE UM, THIS BOTTOM CORNER HERE THAT WAS REFERRED TO AS A DRAINAGE BUFFER, A DRAINAGE CANAL A MINUTE AGO, THAT'S THE GREEN BELT FOR CENTENNIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHAT WE CALL, IT'S A GREEN BELT.
SO THIS IS, I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY THE WIDTH OF IT, BUT IT IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S 50 TO 60 FOOT OF CLEARED LAND BETWEEN THE NATURAL TREE LINE AND THE BACKS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, UM, IF YOU COULD BLOW INTO THIS SECTION HERE, THIS IS ACTUALLY MY HOUSE ON THE CORNER.
OUR HOUSE, UM, THIS HASH LINE, THIS HASH SECTION IS THIS PROPOSED 50 FOOT OF TREE BUFFER.
SO THIS IS OUR BACK FENCE IS, AND THIS IS WHAT WAS THE GREEN BELT? IF YOU LOOK AT, THERE'S ANOTHER VERSION OF THIS IN YOUR PLANNING MAP YOU HAD ATTACHED TO TODAY.
YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE BY CHANCE.
IT'S A UM, IF YOU CAN FLOAT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S IT.
IF YOU LOOK THERE, THERE'S NO TREES THERE TO BE A BUFFER.
THIS LINE HERE IS ACTUALLY 22 FOOT OFF OF OUR FENCE LINE.
SO 22 FOOT FROM THE BACK OF THESE RESIDENTIAL FENCES TO THIS LINE IS THE NEW PROPERTY, UH, LINE FOR LIBERTY PARK.
SO WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, A 60 OR 70 FOOT GREEN BOAT IS NOW REDUCED TO 22.75 FOOT ACCORDING TO OUR PROPERTY LINES.
AND WHAT WILL BE PROPOSED AS A 50 FOOT TREE BUFFER, THERE'S NO TREES THERE.
SO IF YOU GO FROM HERE EAST 50 FOOT, YOU MIGHT GET INTO FIVE OR SIX FOOT OF TREES.
SO I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA, IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE CITY ENFORCING THE TREE BUFFER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AND, AND I SAY ALL THIS, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT EDMOND REALLY DOES NEED.
BUT WHEN I MOVED TO EDMOND FROM NOBLE, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO A LOT OF US BOUGHT THIS HOUSE.
EVERYBODY ELSE BACK HERE PAID 91 5 FOR THESE LOTS.
AND THAT'S TWICE THE VALUE OF EVERYBODY ELSE'S LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT BACKED TO A GREEN BOAT.
BUT WE ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.
I ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT EVENTUALLY THIS STUFF WAS GONNA GET SOLD.
I KNEW THAT IT WAS SOMETHING WAS GONNA HAPPEN TO IT, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA PUT A FENCE THERE, 22 FOOT OFF THE LINE AND THEN NOT HAVE ANY NATURAL TREES TO B ANYMORE, THEN IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LOT, YOU KNOW.
SO AGAIN, THE 50 FOOT TREE BUFFER IS NICE, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO FIND SOME WAY TO PUT TREES IN THERE CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THAT EXISTS.
OKAY, WHY DON'T YOU ADDRESS THAT? CUZ THAT'S KIND OF CONFLICTING WITH WHAT WE HEARD EARLIER.
YEAH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PULL IN THE AERIAL LIKE THAT AND, AND
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LOOKING AT THE LAYER, WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL, SEVERAL DIFFERENT AERIALS AND THOUGHT, WELL MAYBE IT'S JUST ADJUSTED DIFFERENTLY AS FAR AS IT'S ALIGNMENT.SO I HAVEN'T GONE OUT THERE TO STAKE THE PROPERTY LINE AND KNOW HOW FAR IT IS AND DON'T KNOW IF THAT AERIAL'S ADJUSTED, UM, MUCH, IF ANY.
SO WE CAN, UH, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO BUFFER IF AND TREES CAN BE ADDED IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TREE COVERAGE THERE, PULL THAT IMAGE DOWN.
YOU THINK IT'S JUST A LIMITED AREA? YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN PULL IT DOWN AND SHOW THE TOP AREA, IT MAY JUST BE THAT LITTLE PIECE OVER THERE.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOME PIECE DEVELOPER.
SO WHAT ARE YOU TELLING US BY DOING THAT THERE OPTION? UH, JUST LOOKING AT THE AERIAL AS IT'S LAID IN WITH THIS PROPERTY LINE, ASSUMING THAT'S ALL CORRECT, THAT THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME TREES IN THE, IN THAT BACK AREA.
AND YOU'LL DO THAT MR. WALTER FOR THAT PURPOSE RIGHT THERE.
WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS WHEN YOU CAN SEE IN THE PLANTING IS KEEP TREES, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY PLANTING MORE TREES, WE'RE GONNA PLANT STREET TREES ALONG THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE IS THAT EXACT SAME VIBE.
WE UNDERSTAND EAST STEADMAN, WE LIVE IN EAST STEADMAN.
I, WE, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE, WE WANT THE TREES AS WELL, THE, THE SAME FEELING.
SO WHY I KNOW THAT HOW I CAN MAKE THEM BE REST ASSURED THAT WE WANT TO PLANT TREES AND WE WANT TO KEEP A BUFFER IS THE SAME FEELINGS THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT NOT STARING INTO THE BACK OF SOMEONE'S HOUSE IS THE SAME FEELING THAT SOMEONE WHO'S GONNA COME BY THAT HOUSE IS GOING TO HAVE ABOUT STARING IN THE BACK OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
AND WE STILL NEED TO STEAL A BUSINESS AND WE STILL NEED TO SELL THOSE LOTS.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME THING IF WE WANT TO ENTICE PEOPLE TO MOVE IN HERE, WE HAVE TO CREATE THOSE SAME KIND OF BUFFERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND REALLY A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ISN'T WITH FENCES AND TREES AS MUCH.
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SPACES WITH LANDSCAPING.
SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE NORMAL THING OF BUILDING WALLS AND WOOD FENCES UP EVERYWHERE.
IT'S MORE LIKE USING HEDGES AND CRATE MYRTLES TO KIND OF CREATE THE BOUNDARY LINE.
SO EVERYTHING WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE TOWARDS IS MORE USING LANDSCAPING TREES AND THE NATURAL TREES THAT WE HAVE.
SO FROM MY SIDE OF IT THAT'S, WE WANT TO KEEP THE BUFFER ON OUR LOT FOR THAT BUYER JUST AS MUCH AS THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANNA LOOK AT THE OTHER BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UH, LAST CALL ON PUBLIC COMMENT.
COME ON, STEP UP HERE AND TELL US WHO YOU ARE.
MY NAME IS, PULL THAT TO YOU PLEASE SO I CAN HEAR YOU.
MY NAME'S MICHELLE REED AND I LIVE AT 80 16 MIMOSA DRIVE IN EDMOND IN THE WOODLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION AS MUCH AS A COMMENT TO ASK YOU GUYS TO THINK FUTURE.
WHEN I PURCHASED IN WOODLAND PARK, I DIDN'T DO MY DUE DILIGENCE.
I TRUSTED THE SALESMAN THAT SAID ALL THESE TREES ARE GONNA STAY
AND I WASN'T TOLD THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO BE BIGGER THAN THE GROVE.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN WHERE I WOULD'VE CHOSE TO SPEND MY $400,000 HAD I KNOWN AND SHAME ON ME.
BUT ALSO I THINK YOU GUYS, AS OUR CITY LEADERS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL BUYING THE GENTLEMAN THAT SAID, HEY, I PAID EXTRA FOR MY LOT BECAUSE IT WAS BACKED UP TO A GREEN BELT.
WE'RE NOT PROTECTING THOSE GREEN BELTS AS EDMUND CONTINUES TO GROW AND GROW AND GROW.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY TO REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.
IF YOU'RE BLESSED ENOUGH TO LIVE AT NATIONAL WHERE YOU HAVE LOTS OF TREES AND, AND I DON'T AND THAT'S NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW,
UM, THINK ABOUT US LITTLE GUYS THAT MAYBE CAN'T AFFORD THAT AND DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE BRINGS.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTIES WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THIS.
YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN MENTIONED THE ACRES.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, NONE OF US MOVED EAST OF 35 BECAUSE IT WAS CONVENIENT AND THERE WAS A GROCERY STORE AND A STARBUCKS ON EVERY CORNER.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT MAYBE WHAT WE WANTED FOR OUR FAMILIES.
IT WASN'T WHAT I WANTED FOR MY CHILD AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO TREES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S GOING TO BE HUGE AND I'M LOSING MONEY ON THE PROPERTY THAT I PURCHASED.
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AND FOR AN ENTRY LEVEL HOME IN EDMOND, YOU'RE NOW LOOKING AT 400 TO $500,000.SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY WANNA ADD APARTMENTS AND MAKE IT AFFORDABLE, I HOPE NOT.
BUT
UM, THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPERS SOLD SOLD ME ANYWAY.
AND I, AND I BOUGHT IT HOOK, LINE AND SINKER AND SHAME ON ME FOR THAT.
BUT I JUST WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE LOOK OUT FOR THE FUTURE OF EDMOND.
I LIVE EAST OF I 35 AND UH, I'M A TREE HUGGER.
AND THERE'S BEEN SOME TREES CUT DOWN OUT THERE AND I DON'T LIKE IT.
SO, BUT THAT'S, PEOPLE WANNA LIVE EAST OF I 35.
THEY WANNA LIVE EAST OF EDMOND AND EAST EDMOND.
NO ANYBODY ELSE LIVE EAST EDMOND.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S KIND OF HOW THEY'RE THINKING.
THEY'RE THE LAST ONE IN THE WILDERNESS AND UH, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.
UH, THE CITY HAS SPENT A FORTUNE OUT THERE ON UTILITIES, SEWER, WATER.
THEY'RE GETTING READY TO BUILD SOME FIRE STATIONS OUT THERE.
SO I THINK THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE HAS HELPED.
I DO BELIEVE WHEN MR. WALTERS TELLS US THAT THE TREES ARE GONNA STAY, THE BUFFERS ARE GONNA STAY.
AND IF NOT MR. HEITZEL HAS INDICATED THEY'LL PLANT SOME TREES.
UH, THEY, I'VE KNOWN THESE FELLAS A GOOD WHILE AND THEY HAVE NEVER ONE TIME MISLED ME OR NOT TOLD ME EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO I BELIEVE THEM YESTERDAY AND I BELIEVE THEM TODAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO THE RIGHT THING ON THIS.
NOW THEY'VE GOT SOME WORK AHEAD OF THEM, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK UP TO THIS POINT.
BUT THE TREE THING IS IMPORTANT TO FOUR PEOPLE THAT SPOKE HERE.
AND SO YOUR FEET ARE TO THE FIRE.
YOU'VE GOT A P U D, YOU'VE GOT THESE DRAWINGS AND WE'VE GOTTA ADDRESS THAT ONE ISSUE AND WE'VE GOTTA ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ON THAT, BUT MA'AM, I'M TELLING YOU I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'VE LIVED IT AND I KNOW AND OTHERS DO TOO.
SO YOU AND I ARE NOT UNIQUE, BUT WE HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION IN FRONT OF US AND THAT'S ONLY GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
SO, UH, I'VE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU KEEP HOLDING YOUR HAND UP.
ARE YOU WAVING AT ME OR YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING COME ON UP HERE? A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
I JUST WONDER, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT, TALK TO THE MA'AM YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TALK TO.
I'M AFRAID THAT YOU WEREN'T, YOU DIDN'T KNOW MA'AM ABOUT THE LAND STUDY GONNA TALK TO US.
UM, THIS GENTLEMAN MENTIONED HE WASN'T AWARE OF THE DRAINAGE FOR THE LAND STUDY AS A DEVELOPER.
I'M SURE HE SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO HAVE A LAND STUDY AND DRAINAGE DOESN'T GO UPHILL NATURALLY.
SO HOW ON EARTH IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? I MEAN, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT JUST SEEMS VERY, VERY STRANGE TO ME.
LIKE THIS IS A BIG DEAL AND A BIG DEVELOPMENT AND A LOT OF MONEY.
OKAY? AND WATER DOESN'T GO UPHILL, CORRECT QUESTION.
SO I, I THINK WHAT JONATHAN SAID WAS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS WHAT THE CITY'S STUDY REFLECTED.
WE WILL HAVE TO DO A DETAILED DRAINAGE ANALYSIS AT THE PLAT STAGE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO SATISFY YOUR ENGINEERING STAFF, WHICH WE WILL DO.
ALL RIGHT, AS OUR COMMISSION COMMENTS, UH, ITEM FIVE A COMMISSION COMMENTS CLARIFYING WHAT MR. BOCK SAID, KIND OF SAID TONIGHT IS WE ARE ONLY VOTING ON ZONING PERIOD.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A PRELIMINARY PLOT OR A FINAL PLAT, WHICH WOULD BE DRAINAGE TRAFFIC, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
ARE THERE OTHERS? SCENE NINE, IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND? FIVE.
THERE'S SECOND AT ADAMS PROOF FIVE ZERO AND IT'LL BE AT COUNCIL 3 27.
3 27 WE'RE GONNA HEAR ITEMS FIVE D AND C TOGETHER.
UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES.
[B. Case #ES22-00019 Public Hearing and Consideration of closing a portion of a Public Way Closing, West Third Street, for the Buell Rezoning project to be located south of West Edmond Road, east of South Santa Fe Drive. (Buell) (Ward 3)]
[C. Case #Z22-00028 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “A” Single Family Dwelling District and “F-1-B” Special Industrial District, including Limited Outdoor Storage to “CBD” Central Business District for the property located at 106 and 130 W. Third Street. (Buell) (Ward 3)]
FIVE B IS ES 22 DASH TRIPLE 0 1 9.THAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF CLOSING A PORTION OF PUBLIC WAY CLOSING WEST THIRD STREET AND BUELL REZONING PROJECT TO
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BE LOCATED SOUTH OF WEST EDMOND ROAD, EAST OF SOUTH SANTA FE DRIVE AND FIVE C IS Z 22 DASH TRIPLE 0 2 8.IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR A REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO F ONE B SPECIAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, INCLUDING LIMITED OUTDOOR STORAGE TO C B D CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT 1 0 6 AND ONE 30 WEST THIRD MS. MCCONE, UH, FIVE B AND C PLEASE.
YES, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CLOSE A PORTION OF WEST THIRD STREET, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN RED ON THE SCREEN, UH, BETWEEN BROADWAY AND SANTA FE DRIVE.
THIS STREET WAS PLOTTED BUT NEVER CONSTRUCTED THE RIGHT OF WAY DIRECTLY TO THE EAST WAS PREVIOUSLY CLOSED IN 1987.
THERE IS AN EXISTING SEWER LINE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT NEEDS TO BE COVERED BY UTILITY EASEMENT AND WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE REZONING, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 0 6 AND ONE 30 WEST THIRD STREET.
THE UH, AREA OUTLINE IN YELLOW, UM, TO C B D CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING DISTRICT AND F1 B SPECIAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS ZONE E TWO, OPEN DISPLAY COMMERCIAL AND A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING DISTRICT.
THE SOUTH IS ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY C ONE LOAD DENSITY, MULTI-FAMILY, F1, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND E ONE GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
AND TO THE EAST ACROSS THE RAILROAD IS ZONED F1.
THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ZONED CBD, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT OF REZONING TO CBD THAT IT MUST BE ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE AREA CONTAINS FOUR ACRES AND IS DESIGNATED AS DOWNTOWN CORE IN THE EDMOND PLAN 2018.
THE PLAN VIEW C B D ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE AT THIS TIME.
THE REQUEST IS ONLY FOR ZONING DETAILS RELATED TO TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE AND OTHER CONCERNS WILL OCCUR AS SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS ARE MADE.
THE PROPERTY IS IN THE CENTRAL EDMOND URBAN DISTRICT AND WAS HEARD BY THE URBAN BOARD ON JANUARY 10, 2, 20, 23 AND WAS APPROVED.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? THE APPLICANT HAVE A APPLICANT.
UH, TODD MCKINNIS FOR THE APPLICANT.
WE HAVE TWO ISSUES IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE VACATION OF THAT THIRD STREET.
UH, AND ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS KIND OF CLEANING UP A PROBLEM.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIRD STREET IS NOW THAT, UH, THIS LITTLE SPOT THAT THERE'S SOME CONFUSION OR BASICALLY TITLE ISSUES WHERE THE ROAD'S ON PART OF LAND THAT THERE'S NOT AN EASEMENT FOR.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA CLEAN UP THIS EASEMENT AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK IN WITH OUR PLATTING WILL ADDRESS MAKING SURE THE CITY HAS PROPER ENTITLEMENT FOR THE ROAD THAT EXISTS ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, THE ZONING ISSUE IS, CHRISTIE JUST SAID WE'RE ADJACENT TO THE CBD.
WE'RE TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO MORE DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EDMOND PLAN FOR A CBD ZONING.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN IT THIS UP BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME F1 ZONING AND SINGLE FAMILY AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS IN THAT AREA.
SO THE IDEA WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WAS TO CONSOLIDATE THAT FOR A CBU.
GOING FORWARD, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM FIVE B AND FIVE C PUBLIC? YES, SIR.
DENNIS RAY, 9 0 1 WESTMORELAND DRIVE HERE IN EDMOND.
UH, I REQUESTED THIS OVERVIEW, THIS AERIAL VIEW TO BE SHOWN TONIGHT.
I LIVED THERE FOR 25 YEARS, SO I THINK I'VE GOT MY FINGER ON THE PULSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AS FAR AS TRAFFIC AND FLOODING.
AND IF YOU WERE TO GO UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRESTLE AT ANY HARD RAIN, YOU WILL KNOW WHY WE HAVE THE SCALE THERE ON THE BRIDGE.
TRESTLE, PULL THAT MICROPHONE TO YOU.
YOU KNOW WHY WE HAVE THAT SCALE THERE ON THE BRIDGE TRESTLE BECAUSE THAT'S A FLOOD AREA AND IF YOU COME SOUTH OF THAT ON THAT HARD PACK ON THE RAILROAD TRACK, THAT'S BEEN HARD PACKED SINCE THE FOUNDING DAYS OF EDMOND WATER DRAINS DOWNHILL AND IT GOES TO THIS NEXT MAP.
IF YOU COULD PULL THAT UP PLEASE.
LAST WEEK'S PLANNING COMMISSION.
LAST TIME'S PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU WANT NO PLANNING, HUH? UH, PLANNING.
PLANNING AND THEN, UH, CHRISTIE AND THEN YEAH, ANY COMMISSION
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AND, UH, FEBRUARY 21ST AND THEN I THINK THERE'S THE 200 WESTPORT.YEAH, THOSE, YEAH, I THINK ALL OF THOSE.
NOW I JUST TOOK THE LIBERTY OF PLOTTING THIS ON THIS BLANK.
UM, SO EXCUSE MY HAND SCRATCHING.
YOU SEE THE RAILROAD TRESTLE WHERE I HAVE DESIGNATED THE DOTS AND THE FLOOD UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT QUADRANT.
THAT SECOND STREET, WE KNOW THAT FLOOD FOLLOW SOUTH DOWN THAT TRESTLE WHERE THOSE DOTS ARE IN THE ARROWS GOING WEST.
THOSE FLOODWATERS COME DOWN THE PROPOSED CLOSING THE VACATING OF THIRD STREET AND FLOW INTO THE BAR DITCH THAT PARALLELS SANTA FE DRIVE THE OTHER FLOODWATERS COME DOWN TO THE SOUTH OF THAT ONTO FIFTH STREET AND COME DOWN THERE.
AND THOSE HOUSES ARE CONTINUALLY FLOODED EVER SINCE THAT BUILDING WAS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT RIGHT THERE ON THAT SOUTHWEST OR SOUTHEAST CORNER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IT IS, BUT IT'S A METAL BUILDING AND THERE WAS A NATURAL RETENTION AREA THERE UNTIL THEY PAVED IT OVER.
SO IT PUSHED THOSE FLOOD WATERS DOWN ONTO FIFTH STREET.
THE PECAN ORCHARD IS A WONDERFUL ORCHARD.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME TREE CONSIDERATION THERE.
WE'VE HEARD THAT TO BE A, A HOT TOPIC TONIGHT.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT HA HAVING CANVASED THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED.
WE JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO CAREFULLY PLAN FOR CONTROLLING THE FLOODING AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
UH, IF YOU CAN, CAN I BORROW THAT POINTER TWO, PLEASE? OKAY.
I WANT TO SAY THIS IS THE VACATED PROPOSED VACATED STREET THAT IS AN ALLEY.
UM, AND RIGHT THERE IS MILD PROPERTY ALLEY.
AND THIS HOUSE, SHIRLEY AND TOM'S HOUSE, TOM WAS BORN THERE.
THEY HAD TO COMPLETELY TEAR THAT HOUSE DOWN BECAUSE OF FLOODING.
AND THEN THEY HAD TO REBUILD IT UP BECAUSE OF FLOODING, BECAUSE THAT BAR DITCH RIGHT THERE HAS NOT MAINTAINED IS DESTROYED BY MR. BUELL.
AND THE CITY OF EDMOND DID NOT DIG IT BACK OUT.
EVERYBODY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY OF EDMOND WILL REALLY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH ANY PLANNING FOR FLOOD CONTROL ROLL.
NOW, FLOODING ASIDE, THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF ENJ WITH ENGINEERING, BUT THE TRAFFIC, IF, IF THIS IS INDEED ZONED C B D AND THEY PUT HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN THERE, HOW ARE THOSE PEOPLE GONNA TURN EAST? IF THEY WANT TO GO TO WORK ON THE EAST SIDE OF EDMONT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WITH ROADS THAT WERE PLATTED IN 1912.
WHAT WOULD BE THE CITY'S PROPOSED SOLUTION? WIDEN THE ROADS.
THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT, BUT THAT TAKES PEOPLE'S YARDS.
AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY TAKE ALL THOSE BAR DITCHES THAT ARE RUNNING ALONG IN FRONT OF THOSE YARDS TOO.
SO IT, IT CAN PRESENT A VERY LARGE PROBLEM.
SO TRAFFIC CONTROL CAN LEAD TO MORE FLOODING.
THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING FLOODING PROBLEM.
SO IF YOU PUT HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN HERE OR YOU PUT HIGH DENSITY, ANYTHING IN HERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SOLVE THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S GONNA MEAN HAVING TO SOLVE SOME BIG ENGINEERING PROBLEMS ON HOW TO CONTROL THE FLOOD WATER THAT ALREADY EXIST.
I THINK YOU HAVE MORE CONTROL WITH P U D, DO YOU NOT? WELL, THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE REZONING.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROL AS THIS THING MOVES FORWARD.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT A LOT TONIGHT.
AND, UH, MR. LAWRENCE, IF YOU WOULD, YEAH, SO TELL THE CITIZEN SITTING OUT HERE AND LISTENING HOW THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
WHAT, WHAT GOES ON AND WHAT TAKES PLACE TO MAKE CERTAIN THE WATER IS NOT AN ISSUE? SO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ENGINEER WILL DO A PRE-CONSTRUCTION STUDY, LOOK AT THE EXISTING USES OF THE SITE, LOOK AT HOW MANY TREES THERE ARE, HOW MUCH GRASS THERE IS.
LOOK AT, UH, DRAINAGE RUNOFF AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
AND THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO, AS PART OF THEIR PLAN, UM, THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE IT
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SO IT'S THE SAME WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.SO THEY WILL EITHER HAVE TO DETAIN WATER, UH, ON THEIR SITE, UH, AND RELEASE IT AT THE SAME PEAK RATE AS BEFORE IN THE SAME DIRECTIONS.
UM, AND SO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT STORM SCENARIOS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT, UH, THE STORM WATER WAS PREVIOUS TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE IT THE SAME POST-DEVELOPMENT.
HOW DO THEY DETERMINE THAT? MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YEP.
HOW DO THEY DETERMINE WHAT IT WAS PRE, UH, ENGINEERS HAVE? UH, IT'S, IT'S PART OF WHAT THEY DO IN DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS.
YOU LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF GRASS IT IS, CERTAIN TYPES OF WHAT TYPE OF SOIL IT IS, LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS TO DETERMINE WHAT RUNOFF COEFFICIENTS ARE AND, AND HOW MUCH WATER IS GONNA RUN OFF OF ANY INDIVIDUAL SITE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S, UH, QUITE A FEW CALCULATIONS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GENERALLY GOOD ENGINEERS WILL GO OUT AND, AND, AND VERIFY, UH, THOSE THINGS AND, AND LOOK AROUND.
WILL THEY CONDUCT A FLOOD SURVEY? WE, THAT'LL HAPPEN? YES.
UH, ARE THERE OTHERS? PUBLIC COMMENT, FIVE B AND C.
ARE THERE OTHERS? SCENE NONE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND ITEM FIVE B.
IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND? FIVE C.
SECOND THAT ITEM FOUR TO ZERO.
[D. Case #Z22-00029 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “G-A” General Agriculture to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for Meadow Brook (prev. Easton Woods), north and east of Covell and Air Depot (Premium Land LLC) (Ward 2) ]
UH, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM FIVE D, CASE NUMBER Z 22 DASH 0 0 29 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION FOR A REZONING FROM GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE TO P U D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR MEADOWBROOK.PREVIOUSLY EASTON WOODS NORTH AND EAST OF COVE AND AIR DEPO PREMIUM LAND L L C IS THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
OKAY, CHRISTIE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COVELL ROAD, EAST OF AIR DEPOT FROM GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE TO P U D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE NORTHERN EAST IS CURRENTLY ZONED GA WITH SOME LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL AND MOSTLY OPEN SPACE TO THE SOUTH OF D.
ONE TO THE SOUTH IS ZONED D ONE RESTRICTED RETAIL COMMERCIAL, UH, CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED UNTIL THE WEST IS ZONED.
A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPED AS HAMDEN HOLLOW NEIGHBORHOOD IN A DAYCARE CENTER ALONG COVELL.
THE P D CONTAINS 75 ACRES OF LAND, WHICH APPROXIMATELY 55 ACRES OF IT IS LOCATED IN FLOODPLAIN AND IS DESIGNATED AS OPEN SPACE IN THE P U D DESIGN STATEMENT.
THE REMAINING 20 ACRES WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH TOWNHOMES WITH A MAXIMUM OF 200 UNITS ALLOWED.
EACH UNIT WILL NOT EXCEED TWO STORIES AND HEIGHT AND WILL HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE WILL BE PROVIDED BETWEEN THE PROJECT AND THE 55 ACRE OPEN SPACE TO THE NORTH.
THE PROPERTY WILL EITHER BE DEVELOPED ONE OF TWO WAYS.
OPTION ONE IS ONE SINGLE LOT AND BLOCK UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP WITH INTERNAL PRIVATE DRIVES, OR THE OPTION TWO WOULD BE INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNERSHIP WITH PRIVATE STREETS.
THIS WILL BE DETERMINED AT THE SITE PLAN AND PLATING STAGES.
FROM A PLANNED USE STANDPOINT, THE IMPACT IS, UH, OF EITHER OPTION IS RELATIVELY THE SAME.
THE EDMOND PLAN 2018 DESIGNATES THE AREAS SUBURBAN TWO NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHILE THIS CATEGORY IS MAINLY MADE UP OF LARGE LOT RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE PLAN ENCOURAGES DIVERSIFYING HOUSING TYPES, WHICH THIS APPLICATION DOES BY USING TOWNHOMES STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? UH, SEEING NONE IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND ADD ANYTHING FURTHER.
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OPTIMISM IS WONDERFUL.UH, TODD MCKINNIS FOR THE APPLICANT PREMIUM LAND.
UH, HERE TONIGHT IS ZACH HOLLAND, WHO'S ALSO THE, UH, DEVELOPER WITH PREMIUM LAND AND KENDALL DILLON IS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD WITH CRAFTON.
TOLD CHRISTIE'S THAT NEXT SLIDE WOULD BE GREAT.
SO, UH, AS CHRISTIE MCCONE SAID, UH, WE HAVE A P D TONIGHT THAT ASKED FOR A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT OF NO MORE THAN 200 UNITS.
UH, THIS ILLUSTRATION HERE HAS A LAYOUT OF 169 UNITS.
WE SHARED THIS AT THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS MEETING WE HAD SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.
UH, AND THE OTHER THING I JUST WANNA MENTION, WE RESCHEDULED OUR MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON OUR PD LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL FOR INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNERSHIP.
AND SO THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT POINT OF DISCUSSION AT THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS HEARING ABOUT IS THIS GONNA BE ONE MASSIVE OWNER AND THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT OR WOULD THESE BE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED? UH, AS FAR AS LOTS SOLD OFF.
AND SO WHAT WE DID IN OUR P U D IS THAT WE ADDED LANGUAGE THAT PROVIDED AN EITHER OR SCENARIO.
THOSE AREN'T DETERMINED AT ZONING.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT EVEN DETERMINED TECHNICALLY EVER WHO OWNS THE ULTIMATE OWNERSHIP OF IT.
BUT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT AS A POTENTIAL.
SO WE DIDN'T MENTION TO THE CITIZENS THAT THAT WAS POSSIBILITY IF OUR P U D DIDN'T APPROPRIATELY ADDRESS IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
SO US BACK AND FORTH WITH THE, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO GET OUR LANGUAGE APPROPRIATE ON PRIVATE DRIVES VERSUS PRIVATE STREETS.
AND THOSE TWO ALTERNATE PATHS ARE WHAT KIND OF CAUSED US TO ASK FOR ONE CONTINUANCE TO GET US TO TONIGHT.
SO THE QUESTION THEN ON OUR NEXT SLIDE IS KIND OF WHY THIS PROJECT NOW.
AND SO, UH, AS IS, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ME SAY A COUPLE TIMES, AND I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID ABOUT FIVE TIMES A NIGHT.
THE EDMOND PLAN 2018, AS WE ALL KNOW, WAS A SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF TIME.
AND THE IDEA AS TO WHAT THE USES MIGHT BE WITH RESPECT TO NOT JUST EDMOND, BUT THE INCORPORATION OF EAST EDMOND 2050 AND ALL OF EDMOND.
AND SO THE SUBURBAN TWO, UH, DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATION, AS CHRISTIE MENTIONED IN HER COMMENTS, MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY, UH, TOWNHOME TYPE DEVELOPMENT, DIVERSIFIED HOUSING OPTIONS, NOT LARGE LOT, NOT ALL SINGLE FAMILY SINGLE LOT DEVELOPMENTS.
IT MENTIONS SPECIFICALLY TOWNHOMES AND ALSO DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, QUADPLEXES WHEN IT COMES TO THIS TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS LAND SPECIFICALLY IS IDENTIFIED FOR IN THE PLAN.
UH, AS YOU GUYS ALSO KNOW, THE EDMOND COUNCIL STRATEGIC PLAN TALKS EXTENSIVELY ABOUT WHAT THE DESIRE IS FOR EDMOND'S DIVERSIFIED GROWTH AND THE NEED FOR EAST DEVELOPMENT TO NOT NECESSARILY BE AS DENSE BY ANY STRETCH AS WEST DEVELOPMENT CUZ YOU DON'T HAVE THE GEOGRAPHY, BUT FOR THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE DIFFERENT SORTS OF HOUSING OPTIONS.
AND SOME OTHER COMMENTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE EAST EVAN 2050 PLAN AS WELL ARE ALL LEANING TOWARDS THE IDEA AS TO WHY THIS TYPE OF ZONING IS APPROPRIATE HERE.
AS YOU HEARD CHRISTIE MENTION, UH, WE HAVE 75 ACRES OF LAND.
WE'RE DEVELOPING 20 ACRES OF IT.
UH, 55 ACRES OF IT WILL BE COMPLETELY PRESERVED AND UN UNTOUCHED.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT ISSUES OF WALKING TRAILS, BUT THAT WAS NOT APPRECIATED OR DESIRED BY ANYBODY THAT LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO US.
AND SO THAT 55 ACRE AREA WILL BE, UH, UNDEVELOPED, UNTOUCHED, AND WE'LL PUT A EIGHT FOOT FENCING ACROSS THE NORTH OF OUR PROJECT, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE A BORDER AS WELL.
UH, THE, UH, ANOTHER COMMENT THAT CAME UP AT OUR COMMUNITY, CONNECTIONS WITH THE TYPE OF EXTERIORS ON THE PROJECT.
WHAT TYPE OF HOUSES ARE WE BEING BUILT? TOWNHOMES THAT IS.
AND SO WE'VE ADDED TO OUR P U D THAT ALSO REFERENCED THERE, ABOUT A 50 40% BRICK VENEER, ROCKSTONE OR CEMENT BOARD OR MASONRY PRODUCT, UH, TO OUR HOMES, IT'LL BE IN OUR P U D.
SO BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER, HOW'S THAT ENFORCED? THAT'S PART OF OUR ZONING.
SO IF SOMEONE CAME IN FOR A BUILDING PERMIT THAT DID NOT MEET, THAT, THAT PERMIT WOULD BE, UH, REJECTED.
SO, UH, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS BY PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HEARD THAT PASSIONATELY TONIGHT, PROBABLY GONNA HEAR IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND SO WE HAD COME TO YOU IN 2015.
I LED THE APPLICATION FOR A TRADITIONAL APARTMENT PROJECT THAT WAS JUST RESOUNDLY DEFEATED.
UH, AND SO WE SAT WITH THIS PROPERTY, THESE 75 ACRES FOR A WHILE AND FIGURED OUT WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THIS PROJECT.
AS YOU KNOW, THE EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN MAYBE THEIR NEXT BOND ISSUE, HAVE IDENTIFIED THE LAND ACROSS THE STREET ON THE CORNER OF AIR DEPOT AND COVELL FOR A MIDDLE SCHOOL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL COMBINATION PROJECT.
UM, AND SO THAT IS COMING IN FRONT OF US IN THE NEAR FUTURE, PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.
I THINK THE BOND ISSUE WILL BE IN FEBRUARY OF 2024.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS IDENTIFY OUR PROJECT, UH, IN A WAY THAT ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S ALWAYS CONCERNS WITH DENSITY AND TRAFFIC, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A MINUTE.
JUST HAVE A COUPLE OTHER PICTURES OF WHAT WE'RE SOME ILLUSTRATIONS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON OUR PROJECT.
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, WE'VE TALKED WITH THE FOLKS AT BUNGALOW HEIGHTS, AT
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SAINTS BOULEVARD AND SECOND STREET.THAT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL PROJECT, WHICH WAS KIND OF A IMPROVED PROJECT FROM ARBOR CREEK PORCHES AT ARBOR CREEK.
AND IT PROVIDES A WONDERFUL HOUSING OPTION.
SO AS WE TALK TO OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, WE SEE THIS AS MIRRORED AS THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT WE THINK FITS.
OBVIOUSLY THE PEOPLE THAT PUT TOGETHER EVAN PLAN 2018 BELIEVE THAT AS WELL.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ILLUSTRATIONS, CHRISTIE JUST CLIP THROUGH THESE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOWED AT THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS KINDA HAS A LITTLE BIT BETTER IDEA AS FAR AS SCALE.
UH, THE CLOSEST HOUSE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY FENCES, NOT HOUSE.
CLOSEST FENCE IS 450 FEET FROM OUR BACK FENCE.
UH, I'LL HAVE A COUPLE PICTURES IN A MINUTE THAT SHOW, UH, ELEVATION PHOTO, BUT THIS IS THE SEPARATION IN THE FIRST SLIDE THAT CHRISTIE MCCONE SHOWED.
IT SHOWED THE ENTIRETY OF OUR 75 ACRES, WHICH IS A, BASICALLY A STANDUP 80 EXCEPT FOR THE FIVE ACRE PIECE THAT'S RIGHT DOWN ON COVELL ROAD.
AND SO THE GREAT MAJORITY OF THIS PROJECT, UH, WON'T BE DEVELOPED.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS CAME UP ABOUT DENSITY AND HOW IT FITS IN AT SOMEONE ASKED THAT ABOUT THE LAST QUESTION.
AND ADMITTEDLY, WE HAVE 75 ACRES.
IF YOU DID SINGLE FAMILY, YOU COULD DO UP TO 140 UNITS BECAUSE WE DO SEVEN UNITS PER ACRES, A MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN DO.
WE'RE ASKING FOR 200 AND WE HAVE A DRAWING THAT SHOWS 169 FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PRODUCT MIX.
SO WE THINK IT ALSO FITS WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THERE.
THE DENSITY OF THE EIGHT NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND US, QUITE FRANKLY, IS REAL SIMILAR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE 75 ACRES THAT WE HAVE, THE UH, DENSITY I THINK IN HAMPTON HOLLOW IS 2.7 UNITS PER ACRE.
COWELL VALLEY IS 3.47, SO IT'S MUCH MORE DENSE ON THE GROSS ACREAGE.
SOMEBODY TOOK ISSUE WITH ME AT THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND SAID I DIDN'T GET TO COUNT THE ENTIRETY OF OUR LAND, BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT'S OUR LAND AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ANY EXTENSIVE PROCESS WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND TO TRY TO RECLAIM LAND AND TRY TO TURN IT INTO A DIFFERENT DEVELOPABLE PIECE.
WE'RE AGREEING TO SET THAT ASIDE FOREVER AND EVER.
AND SO THAT'S RELEVANT TO OUR DENSITY AND OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE MORE, CHRISTIE.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS AT 28 FEET AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROJECT.
UH, WE'VE GOT THREE FIXTURES HERE.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE WINTER.
THESE WERE TAKEN THIS WEEKEND AND THERE'S NO TREES OR ANYTHING ON THE VEGETATION.
SO THE ABILITY TO SEE WHAT, WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON FROM OUR PROJECT TO THE NEIGHBORS, YOU CAN SEE OFF IN THE DISTANCE.
HAMPTON HOLLOW, SO I DON'T WANNA MISLEAD ANYBODY THAT'S OBVIOUSLY VISIBLE THAT RIGHT THERE.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, AND I DIDN'T BLOW UP THE GIS MAP AS TO WHERE THAT BLUE.IS IN THE BOTTOM HAND CORNER, BUT THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROJECT.
SO WE TRIED TO GET SOME IDEAS AT 27 FEET IN THE AIR.
NOW KEEP IN MIND OUR BUILDINGS HAVE A HEIGHT AT THE MOST OF 27 FEET.
OUR HIGHEST WINDOWS WOULD BE 16 OR 17 FEET.
SO THE IDEA OF LIGHT LINES AND OTHER VISIBLE ISSUES ARE SOMETHING THAT OUR TWO-STORY LIMITATION THAT'S NOT REQUIRED THAT WE PUT IN OUR PD, I THINK ADDRESSES A LOT OF THAT.
JUST REAL QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT COME UP CUZ THESE DO COME UP AND I THINK THEY'RE HAVE SOME RELEVANCY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THING THAT IS A BIG CONCERN AND WHAT I HEARD A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS IS I MOVED TO EAST EDMOND BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT THIS TYPE OF DENSITY.
AND I TALKED ABOUT THE DENSITY A MINUTE AGO AND WE MENTIONED THE EAST EDMOND 2018 PLAN.
KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT A MILE FROM INTERSTATE 35 EDMOND'S GOT SIGNIFICANT PLANS TO MAKE COVELL ROAD A SIGNIFICANT THOROUGHFARE FOR EAST EDMOND.
STEVE LAWRENCE CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE IMPROVEMENT OF COVELL ROAD WILL COINCIDE AT SOME POINT IN TIME WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW SCHOOL THAT'LL HAPPEN TO THAT INTERSECTION, UH, WHICH PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN OUR CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES THAT WAS ASKED AT THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS.
GIVE US AN IDEA WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THESE THINGS.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 169 UNITS BUILT TOMORROW OR EVEN NEXT YEAR.
AND I THINK WE ESTIMATED TWO TO THREE YEARS WOULD BE A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD TO SEE CONSTRUCTION START.
THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND CRIME, AND THOSE COME UP ALL THE TIME.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, THERE'S NOT ANY EMPIRICAL DATA THAT SUPPORTS INCREASED CRIME BECAUSE OF DENSITY AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN EDMOND ANYMORE THAN THERE IS THE IDEA ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES.
AND THEN THE LAST ISSUE IS ABOUT OUR CONCERN ABOUT CORPORATE OWNERSHIP.
AND I THINK REASONABLE PEOPLE COULD DIFFER.
UH, THERE'S A CONCERN THAT IT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT ONE, OWNER DEVELOPMENT TURNING INTO A SLUM.
LORD, IT'S GONNA BE A HORRIBLE DEVELOPMENT 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE IDEA THAT INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNERS AREN'T ALWAYS THE BEST AT KEEPING UP THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT MY BEST EXAMPLE IS HIGHLAND 55 IS PROBABLY THE BEST EXAMPLE I HAVE OF A SINGLE UNIT OWNERSHIP OF A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S RENTAL PROPERTY IN EDMOND.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE NICEST PROJECTS WE HAVE IN ALL OF OUR CITY LIMITS.
UH, I THINK SOMETHING ELSE IS RELEVANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WENT TO THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE COMMENT THE OTHER DAY AT THE END OF THEIR TIME HERE, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT EDMOND AND THE ABILITY TO LIVE IN TOWN AND I HEARD ONE OF THE RESIDENTS TALK
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ABOUT $400,000 BEING THE ENTRY PRICE OR THE AVERAGE PRICE FOR A NEW HOME IN EDMOND.BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SAID WAS REALLY STRIKING.
THEY SAID, BASED ON THEIR ESTIMATES AND THEIR SURVEYS OF EDMOND, OVER 20,000 PEOPLE A DAY COME INTO EDMOND TO WORK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
NOW, I'M NOT REPRESENTING THAT THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PRICE OF BUILDING HOMES IN THE 250 SQUARE FOOT RANGE.
UH, BUT THE IDEA OF DIVERSE HOUSING OPTIONS IS OBVIOUSLY A GAP IN OUR MARKETPLACE.
THE PEOPLE THAT WERE WISE ENOUGH TO PUT EDMOND 2018 TOGETHER AND EDMOND EAST EDMOND 2050 REALIZED THAT.
AND SO THE THING THAT I WAS CLOSE WITH IS IF WE CAME WITH A PROJECT THAT THE ETH THE EDMUND 2018 PLAN SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, I'D BE REMINDED OF IT BEFORE I LEFT THIS PODIUM.
AND SO WE HAVE A PLAN HERE, A PROJECT THAT IS RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT EDMUND 2018 SAYS.
AND SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP OUR PROPERTY CONSISTENT WITH WASTES PLANNED.
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I I DO HAVE A COUPLE BECAUSE I HAD A COUPLE OF, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAD REACHED OUT AND YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE, UH, UH, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE, YOUR BACK FENCE AND THE NEIGHBOR'S BACK FENCE, AND WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE REACH IN, I GUESS, UH, REACH OUT TO ME.
THEY, THEY INDICATED THAT, UH, DURING MEETINGS THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSION REGARDING FENCING.
AND TYPICALLY, I KNOW MANY TIMES THAT'S A SITE PLAN ISSUE.
AND I'M GOING TO HARP ON THAT BEFORE EVERYONE STARTS SPEAKING EARLIER OR HEARING A LITTLE BIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SITE PLAN AND REZONING.
BUT MANY TIMES ON A P U D, THE SITE OR THE, UH, FENCING WILL BASICALLY BE ADDRESSED.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN BRIEFLY WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE FENCING FOR YOUR PROJECT WOULD BE? WHAT I REPRESENTED, UH, THAT I'M CLEAR ABOUT IS THAT WE REPRESENT, WE'D HAVE EIGHT FOOT SITE PROOF FENCING ALONG THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY BEFORE IT BEGINS.
THE 55 ACRE PRESERVATION AREA.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WHICH IS IRONIC, I THINK, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA GO PUT A FENCE ALONG THE HAMPTON HOLLOW PEOPLE, ALTHOUGH YOU COULD AND THAT WOULD BE FENCING.
BUT WHAT WE REPRESENTED AND I DID WAS THE EIGHT FOOT SITE PROOF FENCING RIGHT ALONG THE BOUNDARY OF OUR DEVELOPED PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE, UH, OTHER ISSUE, I KNOW I'M, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PEOPLE I NOTE, UH, THAT THE ISSUE REGARDING THE LAND THAT'S BEING RESERVED FOR THE, UH, UNDISTURBED AREA, UM, IT'S YOUR REPRESENTATION HERE AS YOU STATED TODAY, THAT THAT WOULD BE PERMANENT IN NA NATURE, ALTHOUGH THE WORDS PERMANENT DO NOT SPECIFICALLY APPEAR ANYWHERE IN THE P U D THAT I SAW.
BUT, UH, DO YOU BELIEVE IT'S IMPLICIT IN THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED? UH, I BELIEVE WE, YEAH, AND I'M HAPPY TO MODIFY THAT LANGUAGE AND ADD PERMANENT, WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS, PLANS OR DESIRE EVER.
UH, AND WE IN, IN OUR P U D IT SAYS, I BELIEVE IT'S UNDISTURBED AND UNDEVELOPED.
SO I I COULD ADD THE WORD PERMANENCE IF THAT MAKES SOMEBODY FEEL BETTER.
I I DON'T HAVE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD COME IN AND CHANGE THAT.
IT WOULDN'T JUST BE THE CITY OF EDMOND THAT WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT, ALTHOUGH THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE FEMA AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER FOLKS.
AND, UH, SO I'M HAPPY TO REPRESENT PUBLICLY THAT IT'S A PERMANENT PRESERVATION RESERVATION NON DEVELOPED 55 ACRES OF LAND IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.
OKAY, WELL THOSE, THOSE WERE A COUPLE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE RAISED AND I APPRECIATE YOU FOR ADDRESSING THOSE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? OKAY.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AGAIN, UM, YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF SET THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT AND WE TRY TO MAKE AN EMPHASIS ON THE FACT THAT WHAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT TONIGHT IS REZONING.
WE'RE NOT HERE FOR A SITE PLAN.
AND SO THE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE LAND USE WILL POTENTIALLY BE CHANGED TO ALLOW THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THERE WILL BE ISSUES REGARDING WHAT'S BUILT TO THE FUTURE AFTER THINGS ARE DONE, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THAT WOULD BE SITE PLAN SPECIFIC.
SO IT WILL HELP US ALL A LOT IF WE CAN ADDRESS THIS AS A ZONING ISSUE.
THEREFORE, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK AT THIS POINT IN TIME? IF SO, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, SIR, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD.
DRAKE CEST DRIVE IN TIMBER CREST.
UM, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY, THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON WHAT THEY WERE PROJECTING FOR THIS AREA AND THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF I 35.
MY CONCERN AGAIN IS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT.
BUILDING ROADS, CLAIMING LAND, BUILDING BRIDGES, THAT KIND OF STUFF TAKES AND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THIS FILLS OUT, 338
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CARS A DAY GOING OUT AND 338 CARS A DAY COMING IN FOR THIS ONE DEVELOPMENT.THAT TAKES IN NO ACCOUNT FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS PAST THIS.
THE DENSITY OF THESE, TO ME ARE HIGH.
IF YOU LOWER THESE DENSITIES, GET THIS THING DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT'S COMPARABLE OR CLOSE, MAYBE MID-RANGE BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY AND THIS MAYBE YOU GOT A PROJECT AND YOU HAVE NO QUALMS OR FIGHT ABOUT IT.
THE OTHER THING IS ARCADIA PARK, IF THIS GOES AT THIS LEVEL, ARCADIA PARK IS GONNA COME BACK AND BITE EVERYBODY.
AND I'M QUITE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
MY PLEA FOR Y'ALL IS PLEASE GIVE THIS THING A CHANCE TO LESSEN THE DENSITY AND GIVE THE EAST SIDE OF EDMOND ROOM TO GROW AND THE SAFETY FOR OUR KIDS AS THEY GROW UP.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR SIR? WE'LL START.
WE'LL STICK WITH THE BACK AND WE'LL WORK OUR WAY FORWARD TODAY.
WILLIAM THOMPSON, 45 25 CANAN CREEK, UH, ROAD.
AND I ATTENDED THE PUBLIC, UH, DISCLOSURE ON THE PUD AND I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS, UH, MY CONCERNS WITH THE DENSITY OF THE PIPE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHILE IT'S BEEN THROWN OUT, THERE'S 80 ACRES THERE.
UM, 55 AC OF THOSE ACRES, I BELIEVE ARE IN A FLOOD PLAIN THAT CANNOT BE RECLAIMED.
SO THEY CANNOT BE DEVELOPED, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, UH, WHAT WAS DISCLOSED DURING THE PUBLIC, UH, MEETING.
SO IT IS A HIGH DENSITY COMPARED TO ALL THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
THERE ARE NO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS IN THAT WHOLE, PROBABLY A THREE MILE, UH, RADIUS OF THAT LOCATION.
AND I THINK EAST EDMOND NEEDS TO STAY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
AND I CAN GO, WON'T WASTE YOUR TIME ON TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND HOW BAD IT GETS.
BUT AIR DEPOT AND COVELL ARE PROBLEM AND IT'S GONNA BE A LONG TIME, I THINK BEFORE THE CITY FIXES IT.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE OR AGAINST THE PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SIR, MY NAME IS MIKE HERNEY AND I LIVE AT 31 0 8 HARDWICK ROAD IN HAMPTON HOLLOW.
AND I'M SORRY SIR, WHAT WAS YOUR LAST NAME? HERNEY, H U R N E Y.
AND, UH, I WAS ALSO AT THAT CONSTITUENTS MEETING, UM, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO.
AND, UH, I GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS, UM, THAT I WANT TO GET ADDRESSED OR, OR ASKED.
I GUESS BASICALLY THE DENSITY PIECE OF IT HAS ALREADY, HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.
I WOULD LIKE FOR THE P U D TO STATE IN THERE THAT PERMANENTLY, THAT 55 ACRES WILL NOT BE TOUCHED.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE COMPARISON, WHICH WAS COMPARED AT OUR CONSTITUENTS MEETING.
AND HERE AGAIN TONIGHT WITH HIGHLAND 55, HIGHLAND 55 IS A RETIREMENT AREA.
THOSE PEOPLE THERE ARE 55 AND OLDER.
AND THOSE ARE ALL SINGLE STORY UNITS.
THEY'RE NOT DOUBLE STORY UNITS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBLE STORY UNITS.
IT IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT SITS RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF TWO OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.
THIS ONE HERE DOESN'T SIT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF ANYTHING.
IT'S A, IT'S A FRESH GREEN AREA.
THE OTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED AT THE CONSTITUENT MEETING WAS FENCING.
THE FENCING WAS NOT CHARACTERIZED AS STRICTLY ON THE NORTH SIDE.
IT WAS ON THE NORTH AND ON THE WEST AS WHAT I RECALL.
SO I I I DO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE SCHOOL THAT'S GOING IN THERE.
WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, SO I WON'T BRING THOSE THINGS BACK UP.
UM, AND WHILE THERE MAY NOT BE A STUDY, UM, IN EDMONDS SPECIFIC, UH, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS DO BRING AN INCREASE IN CRIME THEFT AND VIOLENCE AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS.
SO, UM, THERE MAY NOT BE A STUDY IN ADMIN THAT REFLECTS THAT, BUT THERE ARE STUDIES OUT THERE THAT REFLECT THAT.
SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? MA'AM, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD.
MY NAME IS CYNTHIA REESE AND I LIVE AT 61 20 OXNARD IN COVELL VALLEY.
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GUYS FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE I DO WANNA EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE MEADOWBROOKS PROJECT ON COVE, THE PROPOSED PUD REZONING.WHILE THE LOCAL COMMUNITY MAY BE UNABLE TO PREVENT DEVELOPMENT, THAT IN ITSELF WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE AREA.
A HIGH MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THIS AREA ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THE ADDITION OF MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING THAT WILL CAUSE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY PROBLEMS, CREATE EVEN MORE PROBLEMS WITH SCHOOLS THAT WILL BE BUILT IN THE NEAR FUTURE BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES OF ALREADY OVER CAPACITY, DESTROY LOCAL WILDLIFE HABITAT AND POTENTIALLY LOWER THEIR PROPERTY VALUES OF THE EXISTING ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMMUNITIES.
TRAFFIC AND SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS ARE A MAJOR AREA OF CONCERN.
TRAFFIC JAMS AT COVELL AND AIR DEPO ARE ALREADY PROMINENT AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY.
THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC, SORRY,
TRAFFIC JAMS AT COVELL AND AR DEPOT ARE ALREADY PROMINENT AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY.
THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC WILL DIS DISPROPORTIONATELY SURGE DURING MORNING AND EVENING RUSH HOURS CAUSING TRAFFIC ISSUES DURING CRITICAL TIMES FOR THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHEN THE SCHOOL IS BUILT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THE TRAFFIC SURGE DURING MORNING AND AFTERNOON RUSH HOURS WILL ALSO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE SAFETY OF EDMUND CHILDREN.
SCHOOLS IN THE AREA ARE ALREADY REPORTED AT OVER CAPACITY AND THE COUNCIL SHOULD NOT APPROVE MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS THAT CREATE OR EXHILARATES A SITUATION THAT WILL CAUSE SCHOOL CONCURRENCY TO FAIL.
FOR THIS PROPOSAL AND ANY OTHER APPROVED PLANS, WILDLIFE HAS BEEN OBSERVED IN THIS AREA AND AT ANY DEVELOPMENT WILL DESTROY THEIR HABITAT.
IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO CONTINUE THE IMPACT OF THE LOCAL WILDLIFE HABITAT.
IT HAS BEEN INDICATED THAT THE PROPOSED PLANNING AREA HAS SEVERAL ENDANGERED SPECIES, WHICH SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED BY THE APPROPRIATE AGENCY PRIOR TO APPROVED DEVELOPMENT.
PROPERTY VALUES ARE LIKELY TO GO DOWN IN THE AREA IF MULTI-FAMILY CONDOMINIUMS ARE BUILT.
MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE INCONSISTENT.
WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPED IN THIS AREA, I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT.
I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND IT WILL AFFECT MY DAILY LIFE.
I URGE YOU TO DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED REZONING IN THE RECENT MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH MY NEIGHBORS.
I KNOW MY OPINIONS ARE SHARED BY MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE NOT MANAGED TO ATTEND THE MEETING OR WRITE LETTERS OR EMAILS.
AND WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK SIR, IT SHOULD RETURN.
I LIVE AT 64 21 EAST COLL ROAD.
UM, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY TRUE THAT THERE'S RESIDENCE 450 FOOT AWAY.
MY HOUSE IS 50 FOOT AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY, SO I JUST WANTED 'EM TO KNOW THAT.
UM, AND THEN AT THE, UH, THE MEETING THEY HAD WITH THE, UH, CITIZENS MEETING, UH, IF THEY'RE MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR APPLICATION AND SAYING THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THE NORTH FENCE, ONLY WHAT WAS SAID AT THE MEETING WAS IT WAS GONNA GO ALL THE WAY AROUND.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT I WANT TO FENCE.
WOULD I LIKE TO HAVE A FENCE BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND THEIRS CUZ OUR PROPERTY LINES BY BUTT UP RIGHT UP AGAINST EACH OTHER.
OUR HOUSE IS THE LITTLE TRIANGLE PIECE JUST TO THE EAST.
THAT HOUSE IS, WELL, THERE'S A ROOF, RIGHT? THAT'S OUR HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
AND OUR PROPERTY IS JUST THE TRIANGLE PIECE RIGHT THERE.
I BELIEVE YOU RAISED YOUR HAND.
SO MY NAME IS CHARLENE DOGE AND I LIVE AT 8,008 RIDGE CREEK ROAD.
AND UM, IT'S OKAY IF I USE MY PHONE.
I WAS ACTUALLY JUST TYPING OUT WHAT I WANTED.
YOU CAN, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T MAKE PHONE CALLS, I WON'T MAKE PHONE CALLS.
SO I RECENTLY RELOCATED TO EDMOND AND I CAME TO EDMOND BECAUSE, UM, NUMBER ONE, IT'S AFFORDABLE.
I MEAN, THE COST OF LIVING HERE IS AMAZING COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
EAST EDMOND IS BEAUTIFUL, IT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.
UM, I CA I CAME TO EDMOND NOT ONLY AS A HOMEOWNER, BUT I CAME AS AN INVESTOR.
I ACTUALLY OWN MULTIPLE HOMES AND I AM A LANDLORD.
I SUPPORT GROWTH, BUT I SUPPORT GROWTH.
I ACTUALLY MOVED HERE FROM CASTLE, COLORADO, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK IT UP, WHERE THEY, WHERE THE CITY ALLOWED GROWTH PRIOR TO PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE BEING PUT INTO PLACE.
UM, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ARE THE ROADS.
UM, IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, WHICH I PERSONALLY AM NOT OPPOSED TO, BUT I AM OPPOSED TO THEM COMING IN PRIOR TO THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING, UM, BEING PUT IN.
WELL, UH, TRAFFIC CONTROLS BEING PUT INTO PLACE THAT'LL KEEP, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.
WELL, I DO KNOW, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I, I, I AM FOR GROWTH,
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BUT NOT AT THIS TIME.AND I GUESS I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT NOT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? MY NAME IS PAUL JACOBS.
I LIVE AT 3,100 HARDWICK ROAD AND I JUST WANNA PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THE YOUNG LADY JUST SAID THERE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HER IN COLORADO.
I WENT THROUGH THE EXACT SAME SORT OF THING BEFORE DOWN IN TEXAS, YOU KNOW, AND ANYBODY EVER BEEN TO AUSTIN? AUSTIN, TEXAS, DRIVEN THROUGH AUSTIN WHO SAID, YEAH, IT'S A NIGHTMARE, ISN'T IT? SIR, IF YOU'LL ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO US, PLEASE.
I ACTUALLY COULDN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN AUSTIN.
I ACTUALLY HAD TO LIVE IN A SUBURB CALLED CEDAR PARK JUST NORTH OF AUSTIN.
VERY NICE SUBURB, TWO LANE ROAD.
STARTED OUT WITH STOP SIGNS, VERY NICE OUT IN THE COUNTRY FIELD TO IT AND ALL, WHICH, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT THEN THE RALLYING CALL WENT UP AND SAID, HEY, AUSTIN, TEXAS SENATE SUBURBS ONLY HAS A 97% OCCUPANCY RATE WE NEED TO BUILD, RIGHT? AND WE DID.
WE BUILT, WE BUILT, WE BUILT, RIGHT? AND IT GOT CRAZY.
WE WENT FROM LITTLE TWO-LANE ROADS, BUT THE, THE TWO-LANE ROADS WERE STILL THERE, BUT THEY BUILT, WE PUT A HUGE COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN GROCERY STORES, HOUSES GALORE.
CEDAR PARK, TEXAS IS NOW FULLY BUILT OUT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE TRAFFIC THAT JUST CAME IN, IT WENT FROM PEOPLE HAVING LITTLE FENDER BENDERS AT STOP SIGNS TO PEOPLE HAVING MAJOR CASUALTY, PEOPLE DYING FROM THE ACCIDENTS, FROM THE PEOPLE RUSHING THROUGH.
AND ALL MY CONTENTION HERE IS FOR YOU GUYS, WE'RE NOT REINVENTING THE WILL HERE IS THAT WE HAVE OTHER STUDIES, COLORADO, CEDAR PARK, TEXAS, WE CAN SAY WE BUILT BEFORE THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT IN PLACE, RIGHT? AND IT CAUSED, UH, ALL KINDS OF HAVOC.
THE ONE THING I WANT TO TAKE HOME TO YOU GUYS IS THAT LIVING IN MY, IN MY SUBDIVISION, MY NEIGHBOR THREE DOORS UP TO ME, HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF OUR HOA.
RIGHT? NOW, MIND YOU, WE HAVE A FIRE STATION TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM MY HOUSE, RIGHT? IT TOOK, IT TOOK EMERGENCY SERVICES 27 MINUTES TO GET TO HIS HOUSE BECAUSE WE BUILT, BUILT THE DENSITY GOT SO THICK THAT EMERGENCY SERVICES WAS NOT ABLE TO COVER EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON.
OKAY? SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DRIVE HOME.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT AND LORD KNOWS BEING A TEXAN OR EX TEXAN, I'M A OKLAHOMAN.
NOW I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TELLING ME WHAT I CAN DO WITH MY LAND, YOU KNOW? AND I GET IT.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO DO IT RESPONSIBLY.
I THINK OF TAKING THIS FROM AGRICULTURE TO, UH, PUD, YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE DENSITY OF THE POPULATION THERE, WHICH MEANS NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ARE THOSE SERVICES IN PLACE BEFORE WE INCREASE THAT POPULATION.
UH, WOULD ANYONE ELSE? YES SIR, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD.
MY NAME IS CHAD MORTENSON AND I LIVE IN, UH, RIDGE CREEK ON DOUGLAS AND COFFEE CREEK.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IF, IF I MAY ASK WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS PER, WHERE THE CURRENT SIGNS ARE ON THE MAP MAP PER THIS MAP, THAT WAY I CAN MAKE REFERENCE TO IT.
ANYBODY KNOW IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SECOND, THIRD SLIDE, CHRISTIE, MAYBE THAT SECOND ONE PLEASE.
THAT IS ILLUSTRATION PURPOSE IS THE ONLY WAY WE'VE GOT THEM.
WE'LL DO THAT PLANNING, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO WHERE ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE SIGNS ARE CURRENTLY? LIKE OVER HERE.
SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND BEING IN LAND NAV IN THE MARINE CORPS, THE SIGNS ARE ABOUT THE, ABOUT EACH POSITION OF WHERE THE SIGNS ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED.
SO IF YOU ACTUALLY DO SOME NAVIGATION, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE TOP OF THE HILL IS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THIS HOUSE.
IT STARTS DIGRESSING FROM THERE.
SO AS YOU CAN ALREADY TELL, THIS ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE IS ALREADY AT A LIFE AND SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE WHO'S COMING OVER THE HILL COMING AT 45 MILES AN HOUR AND OR GREATER, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH OF A HURRY SOMEBODY IS.
IT'S GONNA BE A COLLISION ALMOST EVERY TIME, LET ALONE THE BACKSIDE.
GOING MORE TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE HILL, YOU HAVE THE SAME EXACT ISSUE.
THERE'S AN ADDITION ON THIS SIDE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED, I THINK IT'S COVELL VALLEY.
I'VE ALREADY BEEN PULLED OUT IN FRONT OF PLENTY OF TIMES, SLIMY ON BRAKES, ET CETERA, BECAUSE I'M ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HILL AND THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND I'M DOING UNDER THE SPEED LIMIT.
SO THAT'S ONE LIFE AND SAFETY ALREADY.
BECAUSE THESE ENTRANCES ARE WHERE THEY ARE.
YEAH, YOU CAN PROBABLY MOVE THE ENTRANCE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME AS EXACT ISSUE.
AND, AND THESE ARE REALLY, AGAIN, SORT OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, OUR MORE SITE PLAN ISSUES BECAUSE WE CAN APPROVE THE REZONING POTENTIALLY TONIGHT.
BUT IF THEY CANNOT MEET THE STANDARDS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED, EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING IS IN PLACE, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD HERE IN THE FUTURE IF THEY CANNOT
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SATISFY THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.WELL, WELL, YES, UH, AND I AGREE WITH THAT AND I'M NOT TRYING TO ARGUE IN ANY WAY, BUT IF THERE'S GONNA BE 200 AND SOME ODD, YOU KNOW, PLUS OR MINUS, NO MATTER HOW MANY IT IS, EVEN IF IT'S 50 TO A HUN, 50 OR GREATER, YOU'RE STILL GONNA INCREASE THE TRAFFIC, LET ALONE YOU GOT, WE'RE ALREADY ON OUR HILLS.
UM, EDMOND ALONE, LET ALONE THE EAST SIDE OF EDMOND, WE'RE ON OUR HILLS WHEN IT COMES TO THE TRAFFIC.
WE CAN'T KEEP UP PERIOD PARAGRAPH.
AND WE EVEN HAVE A FIRE STATION RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GO? THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE EDMOND'S NOT WIDENING THE ROADS ON THE EAST SIDE OF EDMOND.
THAT THAT'S JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, MAIN POINT, LIKE WE NEED TO INCREASE WHAT WE NEED TO INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE WHAT MOST OF EVERYBODY'S BEEN SAYING, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFRASTRUCTURE, PERIOD.
WE WANT ALL THIS STUFF COMING IN, ALL THIS MONEY COMING IN SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO.
BUT WE'RE ALREADY ON OUR HILLS, WE'RE ALWAYS ON OUR HILLS, ALWAYS IN THE DEFENSE.
AND WE'RE NEVER CATCHING UP BECAUSE WHY? WE'RE ALLOWING TOO MUCH TO TAKE PLACE.
WE ALREADY HAVE DEVELOPMENTS TAKING PLACE THAT WE ARE NOT SELLING HOUSES FOR.
IF WE AREN'T SELLING HOUSES THERE, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT ALL THESE HOUSES ARE GONNA GROW AND SELL AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE SOLD OFF TO SOME OTHER DEVELOPER TO COME AND DO AND NOT HONOR THAT P U D AND THEY'RE GONNA DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT IN WOODLAND PARK.
WHAT'S TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS HERE, BUT ALONE? THE PS HERE, GREAT FINDING DANDY FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IT'S SOLD OFF.
THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
WELL THAT'S NOT ACCURATE, SIR, BUT I I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT FOR, FOR THE MOST PART, BUT I MEAN THAT, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S TAKING PLACE EVERY SPRING.
EVERYTHING FROM THE EAST SIDE OF EDMOND, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING EVEN WITH SINGLE, SO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, LET ALONE SMALL PIECES HERE AND THERE.
AND IT'S HAPPENING ON THE DAILY.
SO UNFORTUNATELY IF WE KEEP ALLOWING ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS TO GO UP, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? WE'RE GONNA GET KNOCKED OUT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE ANYTHING AND IN TURN PEOPLE ARE GONNA LEAVE.
YOU WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE? GREAT, LET'S DO IT IN AN ORDERLY MANNER, OKAY? WE CAN'T AT, WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYBODY COME ON THE SHIPS AND HOPE THAT EVERYBODY GETS OFF AND OKAY, GO FIND YOUR PLACE TO LIVE.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A STANDARD AND THERE'S GOTTA BE A LEVEL, LET ALONE THE SCHOOL RED BUD.
WE ALL KNOW THAT RED BUD, AS SOON AS THEY OPENED UP, LIKE WE HAD TO PUSH PEOPLE AWAY BECAUSE OH WAIT, IT'S ALREADY OVERBOOKED THAT NEXT SCHOOL ISN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT.
IF YOU TAKE ON THE AVERAGE, MOST PEOPLE BRING TWO, TWO KIDS TO THEIR HOME OR THEY EVEN BRING IN MORE TWO PER LET'S DO THE MATH.
I MEAN IT'S ALREADY GONNA BE OVERBOOKED THE DAY THAT IT OPENS UP.
SO LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE IF WE KEEP GOING AT THE RATE THAT WE'RE GOING AND ALLOWING BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND TAKE WHATEVER LAND AND DO WHATEVER, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IMMINENT DOMAIN UNFORTUNATELY.
IT'S ALREADY GONNA BE DEVELOPED UP AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA WASTE MORE MONEY OF THIS, OF THE TAXPAYERS COMING IN TO HAVE TO PAY MORE TO HAVE THAT REDEVELOPED FOR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND NEEDS.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND KEEPING THAT IN MIND, THAT'D BE GREAT.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS US AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SIR, IN THE BACK WITH A BALL CAP ON FIRST.
MY NAME IS CHARLES WHITE CELL 2233 PRESERVE EDGE DRIVE IN THE PRESERVE AT COVE.
AND I, I'LL JUST ECHO HIS COMMENTS ABOUT THE ENTRANCE EXITS THERE ONTO COVE.
THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY IN A BLIND SPOT.
IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO GET OUT THERE WITHOUT GETTING HIT.
NOW IF YOU START ADDING THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE GETTING ON AND OFF OF COVE, YOU GOT A BIG PROBLEM.
THE ROAD NEEDS TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE TO IT.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TRAFFIC STUDY DONE ON THAT ROAD? I HAVE NO IDEA.
IT'S JUST A HILLY AREA THERE THAT'S NOT A FLAT STREET.
AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE PROCESS TO GET TO THIS POINT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT A MAIL OUT.
WHY WERE THEY TRYING TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE, YOU HAD TO SEE THE SIGNS, WHICH THE FIRST ONE BLEW DOWN IN THE STORM AND THEN THEY CHANGED THE SIGNS AND CHANGED THE MEETING DATES TWICE ALREADY.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO KEEP UP WITH WHETHER THEY'RE DOING RIGHT OR NOT AND THAT REALLY, I'M TELLING YOU IS GONNA BE A BIG PROBLEM UNTIL THAT STREET IS ADDRESSED.
I BELIEVE GENTLEMEN THERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD PLEASE.
ROBERT LEE, 31 33 WAKEFIELD ROAD.
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QUESTION FOR, UM, YOU ALL SIMILAR TO BARRY'S COMMENTS WITH MR. WALTERS.DO YOU HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROPERTY? UH, THAT'S ALL.
HI, IT'S MARK INOV IN 5,001 FORUM CIRCLE.
UM, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT EAST OF THIS, BUT MUCH LIKE THE YOUNG LADY BEFORE, I'M FROM COLORADO AS WELL.
WHEN WE CAME OUT HERE, UH, GOLDEN ACTUALLY.
AND WE HAD VERY SIMILAR ISSUES TO THIS, UH, WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WAS TAKING PLACE BEFORE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, SO I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO GO OVER THAT AGAIN.
BUT WHAT EVENTUALLY HAPPENED IS WE KIND OF LEARNED FROM OUR MISTAKES AND OUR PLANNING COMMISSION STARTED SHUTTING THESE THINGS DOWN CUZ THEY REALIZED THEY WERE CAUSING TOO MANY PROBLEMS. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THIS.
SO I WAS ABLE TO SEE THAT FIRSTHAND.
I KIND OF SEE THIS GOING THE SAME DIRECTION.
I SEE THIS AS BEING A LITTLE BIT AGGRESSIVE.
BEFORE WE MOVED OUT HERE THOUGH, I DID DO MY DUE DUE DILIGENCE WITH THIS AREA.
WE MOVED TO EAST EDMUND ALL THE WAY OVER THERE CUZ WE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM THIS KIND OF STUFF.
SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S BAD, IT'S, IT'S, EVERYTHING'S GOT ITS TIME AND ITS PLACE.
BUT WHEN I, WHEN I READ THE EDMOND 2050 PLAN, I DIDN'T SEE THIS AS COMING UP.
SO I WOULD CHALLENGE THAT THIS ISN'T IN KEEPING WITH THAT PART OF EDMOND.
I WOULD SEE IT AS BEING MORE TOWARD THE WEST OF, UH, 35.
SO I WON'T BELIEVER THIS ANYMORE.
BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, BASED ON WHAT I'VE LEARNED AND STUFF, THIS SEEMS A LITTLE BIT AGGRESSIVE TO ME.
I SEE THIS IS GOING TOO FAR AHEAD AND I THINK THAT THIS WILL DIMINISH OUR STANDARD OF LIFE AND OUR QUALITY OF LIVING.
SO THAT'S, I HOPE YOU, I'M SORRY, SIR AGAIN, WHAT WAS YOUR LAST NAME? IT'S CANVAN.
WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO SPELL IT? YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BECAUSE I'M, WE WON'T NEED ANOTHER ONE OF US.
WE'RE, WE'RE FROM WEST VIRGINIA.
IT'S UH, G I N E V AS IN VICTOR.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE TANGLE VINE HOA.
AND AS A CROW FLIES, WE'RE ABOUT A HALF A MILE FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE TEMPLE WAS REALLY ONE OF THE VERY FIRST DEVELOPMENTS, UH, IN THIS PART OF EASTMOND.
WE WERE STARTED IN 2000, WE'RE ON ABOUT 125 ACRES IN THEIR 20 HOMES.
WHEN PEOPLE CAME TO LIVE AND DEVELOP TANGLE VINE, EVERYONE REALIZED DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO OCCUR ALL AROUND WHERE WE WERE.
AND SO NO ONE HAD A CONCERN OR HAD A PROBLEM WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE BENEFIT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED AROUND TANGLE VINE OVER THE LAST 20 PLUS YEARS HAVE ALL BEEN IN KEEPING WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
AND THE CONCERN, AND I SPEAK FOR ALL 20 HOMEOWNERS AT ANG ENTANGLE VINE, THE CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY NOT IN KEEPING WITH, UM, BUT IT IS, IS THIS REALLY THE BEST USE OF 70 THESE 75 ACRES? AND THAT'S A QUESTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO DETERMINE.
AND I THINK THAT THE FEELING CERTAINLY OF OUR TINE COMMUNITY, AND I DARE SAY OTHERS WHO'VE ALREADY SPOKEN THIS EVENING, IS IT IS NOT THE BEST USE OF THOSE 75 ACRES.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT'S CRITICAL TO US IS CHANGING THE ZONING TO A P U D IS IRREVOCABLE.
ONCE THAT DECISION IS MADE FOR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN SEVERAL MILES IN EV ANY DIRECTION THAT WILL NOT BE CHANGED.
AND THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN TO ALL OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YES SIR.
I JUST WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE.
I JUST WANNA BE ON THE RECORD AS EXPRESSING A CONCERN.
UM, EVERYTHING IN THAT WHOLE AREA EAST OF I 35 IS TWO LANES.
UM, IT WAS MENTIONED, OH, MAYBE THEY'LL WIDEN IT WHEN THEY BUILD THE SCHOOL.
WHO KNOWS? THERE WAS ALSO SOMETHING ABOUT BUILDING IT OUT IN THE 2050 EDMOND PLAN.
37 YEARS, THAT'S A LONG TIME TO WAIT.
27 YEARS EVEN EVEN 27, RIGHT? THAT'S A LONG TIME TO WAIT FOR EXTRA STUFF WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE TO 400 EXTRA CARS JUST RIGHT IN THAT LITTLE AREA.
I JUST WANNA EXPRESS THAT CONCERN.
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ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YES MA'AM.REBECCA VELES 67 0 1 JCR DRIVE.
ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS, IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE HAVE TWO-LANE ROADS, IT'S THAT WE ARE BOTTLENECK THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS RIGHT AT THE BOTTLENECK OF THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO I 35 SAVED WHITE GOT WHAT? COVE WATERLOO SECOND.
SO THIS IS A VERY, VERY, VERY BUSY AREA AND I THINK TIMING IS AN ISSUE.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST IT? OKAY, TODD, I KNOW YOU TAKE DILIGENT NOTES AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT PROBABLY IF BARRY WAS HERE HE WOULD HIT MORE THAN I'VE ACTUALLY HIT.
BUT THE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES ARE BASICALLY THE TRAFFIC, THE FACT THAT WE ARE PREMATURE IN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE ISSUE REGARDING FENCING, AS I SAID, I HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME AFTER YOU HAD VISITED WITH ME EARLIER TODAY AND THEIR UNDERSTANDING WAS SIMILAR.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEIR UNDERSTANDING WAS CORRECT, BUT THE UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE, UH, FENCING AROUND THE PROJECT TO, UH, THEY BELIEVED AROUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT ON THE SIDES.
I THOUGHT, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH WE'RE ALL AWARE THAT THE WATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PUT IN THERE.
UM, AND I KNOW THE SITE ISSUES AS SOMETHING THAT CITY HAS ADVISED YOU ALL AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS THOSE.
UH, I DRIVE THAT ROAD PERSONALLY EVERY DAY.
I'VE LIVED OUT THERE PROBABLY A WHOLE LOT LONGER THAN MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN HERE TODAY.
UH, IF YOU COULD PLEASE ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
SO, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE FENCING, UH, IT'LL BE SITE PROOF FENCING ALONG THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE SITE EXCEPT FOR THE FRONTAGE ON COVE AND WE'LL DO SOME SORT OF DEPUTY FENCING CUZ IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, WE GOT HUNG UP AND I DID, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I COMMUNICATED POORLY ABOUT THE 55 ACRES TO THE NORTH THAT SEEM TO BE A, A REFERENCE POINT.
WE'LL SITE PROOF FENCE, THIS SIDE AND THIS SIDE AND THE ENTIRETY OF THIS AREA, I THINK IT'S UGLY, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE SAID THAT WE WOULD DO.
AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, IT'LL BE ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE AND THE NORTHWEST SIDE AND THE NORTHEAST SIDE AND THE NORTH SIDE.
AND THEN WE'LL DO DEPUTY FENCING THAT WE'LL DO BEFORE OUR GATED ENTRANCE THERE ALONG COVE ROAD.
THE ISSUE ABOUT THE DENSITY, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFICULT ARGUMENT BECAUSE MR. LAWRENCE CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO IT ABOUT TOO SOON.
WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
I BELIEVE THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF SPENDING A LITTLE BIT OVER 300 MILLION RIGHT NOW, MAYBE CLOSER TO 400 MILLION ON INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED TO SANITARY SEWER AND OTHER PROJECTS IN THIS AREA.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE LONG RANGE PLANNING, NOT 2050, BUT THE LONG RANGE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN IDENTIFIES COVE ROAD AS A SIGNIFICANT CORRIDOR FOR EAST WEST TRAFFIC IN EDMOND.
AND SO JUST LIKE FAIRFAX AT ONE POINT IN TIME, DIDN'T HAVE A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ROAD IN FRONT OF IT OR AUGUSTA FARMS OR NAME THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE DEVELOPED WILL ROADS IN FRONT OF IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA THAT IT LOOKS LIKE TOMORROW 169 UNITS ARE GONNA BE IN THIS AREA.
BUT WHEN HAMPTON HOLLOW WAS BUILT WITH 175 UNITS, OR WHEN COVET VALLEY WAS BUILT SO FAR WITH 224 UNITS, THAT WAS OKAY TO DISPLACE WILDLIFE AND ALLOW TRAFFIC TO BE ON THE COVE ROAD EVEN THOUGH THE ROAD WASN'T IMPROVED YET.
AND SO THE WAY THAT ROADS GET IMPROVED IS BY DEVELOPMENT AND BY REVENUE TO THE CITY.
AND THERE'S NOT A HIGHER PRIORITY TO MY KNOWLEDGE FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS IN EAST EDMOND THAN COVELL ROAD.
AND I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER HAS MADE IT A POINT TO SAY THAT THE ISSUE OF THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL'S STAGING ON CITY STREETS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC AS THEY DO ON BOULEVARD OR THEY DO ON BRYANT.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A DESIRE TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SO THAT THAT IS IMPROVED ALONG WITH THE IMPROVEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SCHOOL SYSTEM AT THAT LOCATION.
SO I I THINK IN A PERFECT WORLD, YEAH, THE CITY OF EDMOND WOULD SPEND TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUILD FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ROADS WITH NO HOUSES AND NO RETAIL.
BUT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH CITY ECONOMICS.
SO THE IDEA ABOUT DENSITY AND IT'S TOO SOON, WITH
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ALL DUE RESPECT, IT WASN'T TOO SOON FOR THE HOUSES THAT ARE REPRESENTED BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, BUT YET FOR OUR HUNDRED 69 UP TO 200 UNITS AND THAT'S, THAT'S TOO SOON.THE OTHER ISSUE RELATED TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT SAID MR. HARDER ASKED IF THERE COULD BE A MID-RANGE BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND THIS USE.
I MENTIONED IN MY INITIAL PRESENTATION, SINGLE FAMILY WOULD ALLOW 140 UNITS ON 20 ACRES.
AND SO OUR DEVELOPMENT HAS IN THIS DRAWING 169 UNITS AND I'M NO ENGINEER, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THE DENSITY IS GONNA BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
OUR P D ALLOWS FOR 200 UNITS PROVIDE MARGIN FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT MIDDLE GROUND BASED ON THAT REPRESENTATION WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY IDENTIFIED.
UH, THE ISSUE OF BUNGALOW HEIGHTS BEING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING ELSE.
I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS FRONT'S ON A SECTION LINE ROAD AND IF YOU READ THAT EDMOND PLAN AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS PROPERTY, IT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT FRONTS ON AN ARTERIAL STREET, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO.
AND THE ISSUE WITH THE ACCESS OF THE, AT THIS POINT OR THAT POINT, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, MR. HUS, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE EVERYTHING TO SAY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE INTERSECTION, THOSE ENTRANCES WILL BE AT THOSE LOCATIONS OR WHERE THEY'LL BE.
AND SO WE'LL DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AND IDENTIFY WHAT IS SAFE AND POSSIBLE THAT ADMITTEDLY IS A SITE PLAN AND OR A PLATTING ISSUE, UH, THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS NOT GONNA LET HAPPEN WITHOUT THEIR OVERSIGHT AND APPROVAL.
WE MENTIONED DENSITY, INFRASTRUCTURE, TRAFFIC, MR. WOLF, I THINK THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT ASKED IF WE HAD, UH, EVER WORKED WITH THIS BUILDER BEFORE.
DEVELOPER YEAH, I, I, TABOR HOMES IS THE OWNER OF THE ENTITY THAT'S DOING THIS.
UH, THEY'VE DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOODS ALL OVER THE METROPLEX.
UH, THEY'VE BUILT HOMES ALL OVER THIS AREA.
SOME PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT MIGHT LIVE IN THEIR HOMES.
WHETHER OR NOT THAT OWNER IS A DEVELOPER OR PLEASED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION IS QUITE IRRELEVANT TO A DEVELOPMENT REZONING APPLICATION.
LET ME LOOK AT MY NOTES IF I COULD MR. HOS, CAUSE I HAD 14 PEOPLE THAT SPOKE AND I DON'T WANT YEAH, THAT HE ADDRESSED THE FENCE ISSUE.
UH, THE ISSUE ABOUT THE P U D BEING IRREVOCABLE, ONE PERSON SAID IT CAN BE CHANGED AND THE OTHER PERSON SAID IT'S IRREVOCABLE.
SO THE WAY A P U D WORKS, UH, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, THEN IT WOULD RUN WITH THE LAND AND IT WOULD BIND THE LAND NO MATTER WHO OWNED IT UNTIL THE CITY OF EDMOND, IF THEY EVER DECIDED TO CHANGE IT AFTER, UH, HEARING SUCH AS THIS AND WITH CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UH, YOU'VE SEEN PUDS BE AMENDED COVE I 35 S AN EXAMPLE, YOU'VE SEEN PUDS STAY IN PLACE FOREVER, EVER AND EVER.
UH, SO, BUT IT IS A PROCESS THAT REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARINGS AND APPROVAL TO CHANGE ONCE IT'S APPROVED.
IT DOES NOT CHANGE BASED ON A NEW OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT.
EXCUSE ME WHILE, MAKE SURE, AND I THINK THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE WAS, UH, THAT, THAT YOU HAVE NOT HIT ON, I MADE NOTE ONE PERSON HAD INDICATED THEY THOUGHT THIS WOULD, UH, SERIOUSLY DECREASE THEIR PROPERTY VALUES.
UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? WELL, I, I BELIEVE HE MENTIONED THAT HE COULD SHOW A STUDY AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH HIM ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO DO THAT.
I, AND THIS SOUNDS HORRIBLE AND I APOLOGIZE.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 29 YEARS AND I HAVE YET FOR SOMEONE TO PRODUCE A STUDY IN THE CITY OF EDMOND THAT SHOWS THAT A DEVELOPMENT LOWERS THEIR PROPERTY VALUES IN AN EMPIRICAL WAY IS SIMPLY HAS NOT EXISTED.
RANDALL SHADED DID THIS FOR 20 YEARS BEFORE I STARTED AND HE, HE USED TO SAY THE SAME THING.
SO IF THERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT AND A STUDY, THEN I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE IT.
I JUST KNOW THAT AS OF TODAY, THERE HAS NOT BEEN SUCH INFORMATION SHARED.
EDMUND, AS WE KNOW, IS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE AREAS IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY METROPOLITAN AREA.
PEOPLE MOVE HERE BECAUSE A LOW CRIME AND BECAUSE OF HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE IN GREAT SCHOOLS.
AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS DO NOT CHANGE BASED ON ONE DEVELOPMENT OR EVEN A FEW DEVELOPMENTS.
WHAT WOULD CHANGE IF YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN HAD CRAPPY SCHOOLS AND HIGH CRIME? AND THERE'S NO DATA THAT SUPPORTS ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT SAY THAT THAT HAPPENS.
WE KNOW, AS I SAID EARLIER, 20,000 PEOPLE COME HERE TODAY E EVERY DAY JUST TO WORK IN THIS CITY, MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE HOUSING OPTIONS IN THIS CITY.
AND SO I'M NOT A BELIEVER OF THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A STUDY OUT THERE SOMEWHERE THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT I JUST SAID.
COVERED EVERYTHING PRETTY WELL, MR. MCKENNA.
DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME?
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SCENE? NONE.DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE.
SECOND, UH, THAT PROJECT IS APPROVED THE REZONING BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ZERO AND THAT WILL BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON UH, 3 27.
THAT BRINGS THIS TO ITEM SIX, NEW BUSINESS.
DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? SEE NONE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? NO.
SECOND, APPROVE YOUR ADJOURNMENT.