Mar 21, 2023 Planning Commission

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THE AFGHAN IS APPLYING FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A CHURCH ON THAT PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, UH, AT TECHNOLOGY DRIVE AND 33RD STREET.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS NO DEF ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH REQUIRES THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE PLACE OF WORSHIP.

UH, THE CHURCH, UH, PROPOSES TO USE THE EXISTING BUILDING AND PARKING LOT.

UH, THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FROM THEIR TEMPORARY SPACE THAT WAS APPROVED ON SOUTH BROADWAY IN AN AREA ALSO ZONED F ONE.

UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE AREA'S EMPLOYMENT, UH, FOR REFERENCE SAKE.

THERE ARE THREE EXISTING SUVS, UH, ALLOWING CHURCHES IN THIS AREA.

UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

MR. ANS TYPICALLY ON ONE OF THESE, THERE'S A SUNSET ON THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

IS THAT IN PLACE HERE? UH, THERE'S NOT ONE IN PLACE, BUT YOU CAN PLACE ONE IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND MR. N'S EXPLANATION? IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF JUST BRIEFLY.

CAITLIN TURNER, 5 22 COLCORD DRIVE.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

UM, JUST TO ADD ON, THE STRUCTURE IS OBVIOUSLY EXISTING AND THERE WILL BE NO, UH, SUBSTANTIVE RENOVATIONS.

THEY'RE MAINLY GONNA JUST CLEAR UP THAT AREA.

UH, THERE WILL BE AN A D A RAMP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ON THAT ACCESS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S UM, JUST TO ALLOW FOR THAT CHURCH TO OPERATE.

NO, NO OTHER CHANGES.

THANK YOU, MS. TURNER.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU.

PUBLIC COMMENT FIVE.

A PUBLIC COMMENT.

SCENE NONE COMMISSION COMMENTS.

IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND, THE TIME IS APPROVED.

40.

UH, APRIL 10, MS. TURNER, 900

[B. Case #Z23-00003 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “D-2” Neighborhood Commercial to “E-2” Open Display Commercial for the property located at 900 South Broadway. (Itza Lara) (Ward 3)]

SOUTH BROADWAY.

THE APPLICANT FOR FIVE B.

ARE THEY PRESENT? OKAY, UH, FIVE B IS CASE Z 23 DASH 0 0 0 3.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM D TWO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO E TWO OPEN DISPLAY COMMERCIAL FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 900 SOUTH BROADWAY.

THE APPLICANTS PRESENT MR. ENTS FOUR B PLEASE.

APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO REZONE THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF NINTH AND BROADWAY FROM D TWO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO E TWO OPEN DISPLAY

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COMMERCIAL.

UH, THE AFGHAN HAS A LAWNMOWER SHOP AND WISHES TO DISPLAY EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE FOR SALE OUTSIDE OF THE SHOP.

UH, THE USE OF THE LAWNMOWER SHOP IS ALLOWED IN D TWO, HOWEVER, ALL THE DISPLAY, UH, WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE INTERIOR OF THAT BUILDING.

AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE ZONING REQUEST.

UH, THE SITE IS BORDERED BY E ONE GENERAL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH AND NORTH, UH, D TWO ON THE EAST AND E TWO, UH, TO THE WEST ACROSS BROADWAY.

UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE AREA AS BROADWAY CORRIDOR AND E TWO IS SHOWN AS YELLOW IN THAT CATEGORY, UH, DUE TO THE VAST AMOUNT OF EXISTING E TWO, UH, IN THE AREA, UH, AND THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

MR. INS, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? HEY RANDY.

I KNOW THAT, UM, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN MOVING AWAY FROM OPEN DISPLAY ON BROADWAY.

UM, IS THERE, HAVE WE DELINEATED BETWEEN THE NORTH SOUTH BOUNDARIES JUST SAID ON THAT? I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFERENCE COMING BACK WHEN I WAS AN URBAN BOARD EVEN OF DOING AN OVERLAY AND TRYING TO GO DOWN BROADWAY.

SO TALK ABOUT THAT VERSUS ALSO WHAT THE EBON PLAN MAY, MAY TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE OPEN DISPLAY.

YEAH, THE, THE, UM, ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO THERE WERE SOME CHANGES MADE DOWN TO SIXTH STREET ON THE EAST SIDE OF BROADWAY THAT LIMITED OPEN DISPLAY AND CHANGED A LOT OF THE ZONING THERE.

UH, I THINK THE DESIRE IS EVENTUALLY TO CONTINUE TO MOVE THAT DOWN BROADWAY, UH, THE EDMUND PLAN, THE REASON IT PUT IT IN YELLOW IS BECAUSE, UH, YOU WANT TO DO IT WITH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION AS WE CHANGE THINGS OVER TO E TWO ALONG THERE BECAUSE OF THE OPEN DISPLAY NATURE AND THE WAY THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BROADWAY CORRIDOR IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND GATEWAY INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

SURE.

NONE COMMISSION COMMENTS.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND THE CITY PLANNERS? WE'VE HAD A COPY OF THE REPORT AND OR IF YOU COULD STEP UP HERE SIR AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, MICHAEL BARRICK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

AND, UH, WE'VE HAD A COPY OF THE REPORT REVIEWED AT ALL THE CON CATEGORIES AND CONSIDERATIONS HAVE BEEN LAID OUT.

AND SO, UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, BUT WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, PUBLIC COMMENT, FIVE B PUBLIC COMMENT, FIVE B SCENE.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, OR A THOUGHT MR. ENS, YOU SAID, UH, LAWNMOWER REPAIR WOULD BE ALLOWED, THEY JUST COULDN'T HAVE OPEN DISPLAY.

CORRECT.

AND SO BY OPEN DISPLAY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN AT THAT SITE? YEAH.

OPEN DISPLAY MEANS THE, THE BEING ABLE TO DISPLAY MERCHANDISE FOR SALE OUTSIDE OF THE STORE'S WALLS, SO IN THE PARKING LOT OR ON THE SIDEWALK OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO MOST OF THE CAR, LOTS THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT ARE ALONG BROADWAY OR ZONED E TWO OPEN DISPLAY, WHICH ALLOWS THE, THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY, WHICH DOWN TO SIXTH STREETS, BUT NOW BEEN GRANDFATHERED OR UNTIL ONCE THEY CHANGE OWNERSHIP OR CHANGE USE.

THOSE HAVE GONE AWAY RIGHT BETWEEN SECOND AND SIXTH THAT, YEAH.

THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE.

THAT IS TRUE.

YEP.

AND I KNOW NOTHING'S FOREVER, BUT THIS IS FOREVER.

SO YES.

SO THAT WOULD, THE E TWO WOULD RUN WITH THE LAND.

SO EVEN IF THIS BUSINESS WERE TO COME AND GO, THAT E TWO WOULD REMAIN THERE FOR FUTURE USE.

BROADWAY DEVELOPMENT GROUP.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM FIVE B? DID YOU LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK? HE DID.

THOUGHT HE HAD MORE.

APPLE CAN HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD THAN WHAT I THOUGHT HE HAD MORE, SORRY.

IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR FIVE B TO APPROVE? THERE'S A MOTION.

SECOND.

THERE'S A SECOND.

THAT ITEM HAS ZERO YES FOR NO COUNSEL.

FOUR 10, UH,

[C. Case #Z22-00035 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “A” Single-Family to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for Kelly Corner, a mixed-use development on the southeast corner of Covell and Kelly. (Broadway Development Group) (Ward 1)]

THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT, THAT'S FOUR C.

IT'S CASE Z 22 DASH 0 35.

IT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR A REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO P U D PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR KELLY CORNER, A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COVELL AND KELLY MR INS FIVE C PLEASE.

APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A P U D THAT WOULD ALLOW A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF KELLY AND COVELL.

UH, THE SITE IS ROUGHLY 150 ACRES OUTLINED IN YELLOW THERE, AND IS THE LAST CORNER TO REMAIN UNDEVELOPED AT THAT INTERSECTION.

UH, THE P U D PROVIDES FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT USES.

CHRISTIE'S GONNA PULL UP A DRAWING TO HELP ILLUSTRATE THAT.

UH, THE MULTI-FAMILY IS IN THE AREA OF THIS KIND OF PEACH ON THE NORTH SIDE FACING COVE.

UH, THERE WILL BE OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL MIXED USE ON 37 ACRES.

THAT'S SHOWN IN THE RED, MOSTLY ALONG KELLY AND COVELL.

UM, THE,

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IT'S ALMOST 15 ACRES.

UH, IT IS NOT TO EXCEED 300 UNITS AND IT IS, UH, WOULD ALLOW THE BUILDINGS TO BE THREE OR FOUR STORIES LIMITED TO 48 FEET.

UH, TOWN HOMES AT LESS THAN 12 UNITS PER ACRE ARE IN THE YELLOW RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.

UH, THOSE ARE ALLEY LOADED LOTS, AND THERE'S 23 ACRES OF THAT.

AND THEN THERE'S 43 ACRES OF SINGLE FAMILY IN THE LIGHT YELLOW, WHICH IS PRETTY JUST TYPICAL.

UH, A SINGLE FAMILY IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.

UH, THERE ARE 30 ACRES OF SENIOR HOUSING AND THE BLUE TOWARDS THE SOUTH EDGE, UH, DESCRIBED AS DUPLEXES AND LIMITED TO 120 UNITS.

UH, I THINK HIGHLAND 55 WHEN YOU THINK OF THAT.

UH, AND THE GREEN IS A BUFFER THAT INCLUDES, UH, THE SITES, UH, TREE PRESERVE AREA, AND IT'S 70 FEET WIDE ON THE SOUTH BOUNDARY AND VARIES, UH, MAINLY 50 FEET, UH, AT A MINIMUM ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY.

UH, THERE ARE, UH, ACCESS TO THE SITE FROM TWO FULL ACCESS POINTS ON THE KELLY AND COVELL, EACH AT EXISTING INTERSECTIONS.

THERE COULD BE OTHER ACCESS POINTS ALONG THEIR ARTERIALS IF THEY CAN MEET THE CITY OF EDMOND.

STANDARDS FOR SEPARATION.

UH, BOTH THOSE STREETS ARE MEDIAN CONTROLLED.

UH, ANOTHER POTENTIAL ACCESS EXISTS TO THE EAST.

THE EDMOND PLAN 2018 DESIGNATION AREA HAS MIXED USE CAMPUS, WHICH ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT WITH A VARIETY OF USES THAT CREATE JOBS, GENERATES TAXABLE SALES, AND PROVIDE A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES.

UH, THIS P U D SEEMS TO MEET THAT INTENT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

MR. ANS ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? HEY, RANDY.

HOW DOES THE TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE PLAY INTO THIS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT USES? SO REALLY THE ONLY PIECE THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO IT IS THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY AND MAYBE THE TOWN HOME, DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S PLATTED.

UH, I, I BELIEVE THEIR INTENT IS TO USE THAT GREEN AREA TO MEET THAT TREE PRESERVATION.

AND IF YOU SEE AN AERIAL OF THE SITE, THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE TREES ARE IN THOSE AREAS.

ACT DOWN THERE IS IN FORMAL BUFFERS AND ALSO BECAUSE OF WHAT THE VEGETATION IS IN THAT AREA.

I KNOW THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

I'M CERTAIN ABOUT DESIGN AND PRE PRESERVATION AND THINGS.

I KNOW THE LADY ON THE FRONT ROW HAD A QUESTION, SO MR. MCKINNIS, IN YOUR EXPLANATION, WHAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US, PREGAME SPEECH , UM, TODD MCKINNIS HERE FOR THE APPLICANT, CLAY COLD IRON WITH BROADWAY DEVELOPMENT GROUP IS A CONSULTANT FOR THE FAMILY AND HAS REPRESENTED THEM, UH, FOR THE LAST YEAR OR SO, BRINGING THIS PLAN TO THE CITY.

SO AS, AS HAPPENS OCCASIONALLY, NOT VERY OFTEN, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS ONE OF THOSE.

WE'VE DRIVEN AROUND IN EDMUND FOR 30, 40 YEARS THINKING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO THE SELL YOUR FAMILY OWNS THIS PROPERTY.

I SAW SOMETHING ONLINE THAT THE PROPERTY'S BEEN SOLD.

THAT'S FALSE.

THE SAWYER FAMILY WILL BE THE OWNERS AND MOST LIKELY THE MASTER DEVELOPERS OF THIS PROJECT, UH, MRS. SAWYER STILL LIVES ON THE PROPERTY.

SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE RARE TIMES WHERE THE ENTIRETY OF EDMOND HAS DEVELOPED AROUND HER.

UH, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE TO ACCOMMODATE EVEN THIS SPECIFIC LAND PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IN 2005, I WAS IN FRONT OF YOU TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, AND WE DID 160 ACRE MULTI-USE P U D AT THAT SITE THAT NOW HAS SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY AND OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL.

AND SO NOT UNLIKE THAT, ALTHOUGH WITH A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY HERE IN 2023, THIS PLAN, UH, IS IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO I JUST WANNA MENTION ONE THING RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT RANDY SAID AND COMMISSIONER BLUNDELL ASKED ABOUT.

SO OUR INTENTION WITH THE GREEN AREA, UH, IS TO LINK OUR TREE PRESERVATION WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.

WE HAVE A 20% REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.

AND AS RANDY SAID, IT'S A UNIQUE AREA OUT THERE WITH A LOT OF GRASSLAND AND A LOT OF, UH, UNIQUE TREE COVER THAT'S NOT JUST OLD GROWTH FLORIST AS WE HEAR ABOUT IN EAST EDMOND.

AND SO WE THINK WE HAVE TWO BENEFITS WITH THE 70 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SOUTH AND THE 50 FOOT BUFFER ON THE EAST ONE, THAT'S THE BEST VEGETATION THAT WE HAVE.

AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO PUSH UP AGAINST THAT LINE AND CUT IT AND THEN TRY TO PLANT NEW TREES THAT ARE NOT AS HEALTHY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT.

SO I'M GONNA SUBMIT A MODIFICATION TO OUR P U D DESIGN STATEMENT TOMORROW THAT SPECIFICALLY LINKS THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA WITH THE RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND YOU MAY REMEMBER, OR IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE AERIAL, THERE'S ON THE WE EAST SIDE WHERE THOMAS TRAILS IS, THERE'S A WALKING TRAIL AND THEN WE'LL HAVE 50 FEET AND THEN YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE BEFORE YOU BUILD BUILDINGS WITH BACKYARD SETBACKS.

SO IT'LL BE A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER ON THAT SIDE.

AND THAT'S REALLY SINGLE FAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY FOR THE MOST PART.

AND THEN ALONG THE SOUTH, UH, WE HAVE POTENTIALLY DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT.

RANDY MENTIONED A PROJECT LIKE A HIGHLAND 55.

AND SO WE HAVE A LITTLE LARGER AREA FOR TWO REASONS.

ONE I ALREADY MENTIONED CUZ WE HAVE GOOD, UH, COVERAGE DOWN THERE.

TWO, WE'VE GOT SOME DETENTION FACILITIES THAT

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SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT NOW, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE CITY WOULD WANT A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS WONDERFUL COMMERCIAL INTERSECTION THAT WE HAVE.

I MEAN, AT SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE AT 155 ACRES, YOU COULD PUT WELL OVER A THOUSAND HOUSES AND THEY'RE IN, THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE SALARIES PLAN.

SPEAKING TO THE ISSUE THAT COMMISSIONER MOORE ASKED THE DESIRE, AND THEY'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW, IS TO DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HAS HIGH QUALITY DESIGN ELEMENTS.

IT'S HARD TO IDENTIFY THOSE TODAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOUR EVENTUAL USER'S GONNA BE, BUT THEY'LL BE COMPLIMENTARY AND INCORPORATE ALL OF THE DESIRES THAT THES FAMILY HAS TO LEAVE.

UH, LONG-TERM LEGACY TO EDMOND.

THEY ALREADY HAVE ONE.

MY OFFICE WAS BUILT IN 1979 AND MR. SAL USED TO OFFICE IN IT.

SO THEY ALREADY HAVE A LONG-TERM LEGACY AND THEY CONTINUE TO PLAN TO DO THAT WITH THE SECOND, THIRD, NOW FOURTH GENERATION OF THE FAMILY THAT'S HERE.

SO THE DESIGN ELEMENTS WILL BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE QUALITY OF THE PROJECT.

THIS IS HIGH VALUE LAND IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.

IT DOESN'T EVEN AFFORD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LOW QUALITY DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF HOW WELL IT'S SITUATED.

SO I, IF I SPOKE WITH MUCH MORE DETAIL ABOUT TREES OR QUALITY OF BUILDING MATERIALS, I'D BE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT I KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW THIS IS THAT, UH, THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED AROUND THEM AND IT'LL BE NOTHING BUT ENHANCED NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST, BUT TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT EDMOND ENJOYS WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PART OF TOWN THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE.

SO, UH, WITH THAT I CAN JUST, UH, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE, I WILL MENTION ONE OTHER THING.

WE HAD A COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS LAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

THOSE THINGS, I DON'T THEY EXIST OR NOT ANYMORE.

THE CITY OF EDMOND, SUPPOSEDLY THEY DON'T EXIST, BUT THEN WE'RE ENCOURAGED TO HAVE 'EM IN THIS FAMILY, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COMMUNICATED.

AND SO CLAY REACHED OUT TO THE HOAS OF THOMAS TRAILS AND HAWKS LANDING, RIGHT? UH, AND WE HAD ABOUT, I WOULD SAY 20, 25, MAYBE 30 PEOPLE THERE.

UH, AND THE DISCUSSION WAS, UH, THOSE AREN'T ALWAYS COMFORTABLE, BUT, UH, PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S COMING AROUND IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO I WROTE DOWN A DOZEN OR SO QUESTIONS AND THE ONES THAT WE COULD SPECIFICALLY ANSWERED, WE TRIED TO, TRIED TO CLARIFY UP THE BUFFER.

THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCESS, UH, INTO THOMAS TRAILS.

THERE'S A STUB THAT EXISTS OVER THERE THAT COMES FROM THOMAS TRAILS INTO THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S NOT OUR DESIRE TO, TO WANT TO HAVE CONNECTIVITY FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT THEY DON'T WANT CONNECTIVITY, BUT IT'S THERE.

AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AT PLATTING.

UH, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDINGS, AND THAT'S MORE SITE PLAN.

AND SO WE'RE AGAIN, TRYING TO BE HONEST AND FORTHRIGHT WITH OUR DISCUSSION WITH THEM.

UH, THERE WERE, I THINK SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MULTI-FAMILY.

AND LET ME JUST SPEAK TO THAT REAL QUICKLY.

IT'S THIS PIECE UP ON THE NORTH, IT'S KIND OF THIS PEACH COLOR.

UH, AND IT'S THE PLAN AT THIS POINT.

CLAY USED THE TERM THE OTHER NIGHT.

THIS IS A PIECE, UH, PIECE RIGHT HERE.

AND YOU SEE IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY BUFFERED BY COMMERCIAL, BY DETENTION FACILITY AND BY A TREE BUFFER TO ANY SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, AND THE IDEA WITH THIS IS SOME PEOPLE CALL IT A TEXAS DONUT.

YOU'VE SEEN, UH, THE PROJECT OUT ON, UH, MEMORIAL ROAD BY CABELA'S.

IT'S A SINGLE STRUCTURE.

UH, WE'RE GETTING ONE BUILT IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND RIGHT NOW, UH, BY THE MILLHOUSE GROUP.

AND THE IDEA BEING IF WE HAVE THIS COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE IN THIS ENTIRE AREA, WE HAVE TOWN HOMES AND HOUSES AND POTENTIALLY, UH, UH, 55 PLUS COMMUNITY AND YOU HAVE OFFICE AND RETAIL, THEN WE WANT TO HAVE WALKABILITY AND WE WANT TO HAVE COMMERCE RANDY REDDIT RIGHT OUT OF THE EDMOND PLAN, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS FANTASTIC.

BUT OUR PLAN SAYS WE WANT A VARIETY OF USES INCLUDING DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL.

AND THIS P D PROPOSES THE DESIGN, WHICH INCORPORATES EACH OF THOSE GOALS EFFECTIVELY.

AND SO WE DO NOT WANT TO BUILD A GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT PROJECT RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S ONE ACROSS THE STREET.

UH, SOME PEOPLE WOULD ARGUE THOSE THINGS ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY INEFFECTIVE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY'RE STRUCTURED.

SO WE HAVE MORE EFFICIENCY IN ONE THREE OR FOUR STORY BUILDING HERE THAT HAS PARKING ON THE INSIDE OF IT AND PROVIDES, UH, A DENSITY WITHOUT A LARGE FOOTPRINT.

AND SO THAT'S THE PLAN WITH RESPECT TO THAT SITE IN PARTICULAR, I THINK RANDY MENTIONED IT'S LIMITED TO 400, UH, 300, EXCUSE ME, UNITS.

UH, THOSE TYPICALLY FLOAT AROUND 2 75 TO 2 85.

UH, CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

MILLHOUSE I THINK IS JUST SHORT OF THAT RANGE IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND.

BUT THE IDEA THAT ONLY URBAN DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND IS A LITTLE BIT FLAWED BECAUSE OF THIS INTERSECTION.

I, I DON'T THINK THE SCHOOL'S GONNA ALWAYS HAVE A LACROSSE PRACTICE FIELD ON THE NORTHWEST POINTER.

OBVIOUSLY THE NORTHEAST CORNER HAS DEVELOPED, THE SOUTHWEST POINTER HAS MOSTLY DEVELOPED.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP THE OTHER NIGHT, MAYBE SOME MORE WE'LL HEAR 'EM TONIGHT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANTRIM, IS WITH RESPECT TO TIMING AND THERE'S A CONCERN I THINK A LOT OF TIMES THAT AS SOON AS THIS GETS APPROVED, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM OF OVERNIGHT.

AND MY SIMPLE ANSWER TO THAT IS IN 2005 AND SIX, WE GOT THE P U D APPROVED FOR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND

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I KNOW THERE'S STILL LOTS THAT ARE YET TO BE DEVELOPED ON, ON THAT PARCEL.

SO THIS IS, IT'S NOT A SHORT TERM PROJECT, IT'S NOT A SHORT TERM BUILD, IT'S AN ABSORPTION RATE.

AND SO WHAT THE SA FAMILY HAS TRIED TO DO AND ASK CLAY TO DO, UH, IS TO DEVELOP AN INCREDIBLY COMPLIMENTARY PLAN THAT IS OBVIOUSLY ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, BUT BENEFITS THE CITY OF EDMOND AND CREATES A LASTING LEGACY FOR THEIR FAMILY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION OF THE QUESTION.

UM, IS THERE ANY WAY I KIND OF, UH, RETICENT TO, UH, TO APPROVE A, UH, A FOUR STORY JUST BECAUSE THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL THOUGHT.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE, THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER, CONSIDER KEEPING IT TO THREE STORIES, EVEN WITH THE PITCH DRO AS OPPOSED TO FOUR? YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THIS POINT, COMMISSIONER WINTERS, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A USER FOR THAT.

WE HAVE SOME POTENTIAL USERS THAT ARE REALLY INTERESTED.

OH, I'M, I'M SORRY.

JUST ON THE UM, MULTIFAMILY YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SORRY.

I WAS OKAY.

MAYBE I WAS ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND I GUESS I WAS, UH, IT'S HARD TO AGREE TO THAT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT GOING UP IN TOWN RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH A HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPER, UH, THAT DEVELOPS A PRODUCT THAT'S A FOUR STORY PROJECT.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE PUT THIS HERE INSTEAD OF HERE, RIGHT? SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE A BUFFER OF OFFICE AND WE'D HAVE A BUFFER OF TREE AND WE HAVE A BUFFER OF OUR DETENTION FACILITY UP HERE.

SO I I, I THINK IN AN IDEAL WORLD THAT'D BE FANTASTIC.

I JUST DON'T THINK FROM A MARKET STANDPOINT WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT KNOWING WHO OUR USER IS GONNA BE.

THAT'S ALL WE GOT.

ARE THERE ANY PLANS, TODD, TO MAKE THIS SORT OF CONNECTED? THERE'S A TON OF WALKING TRAILS ALONG COVE.

UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT KIND OF SOMEWHAT, NOT THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE, BUT MAYBE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE COMMERCIAL OR SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S A SIDE PLAN.

I KNOW I GET THAT.

UM, AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IT THEN TOO, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF THOUGHT ABOUT THAT CUZ THERE'S TONS OF KIDS AND I'VE RECEIVED A BUNCH OF PHONE CALLS.

I'VE GOT FAMILY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE.

NO, I, BUT THAT'S A COMMENT I'VE HAD CUZ PEOPLE ARE UP AND DOWN COVE A LOT WALKING.

AND SO I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME CONNECTIVITY.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT THERE'LL BE SIGNIFICANT CONNECTIVITY EITHER THROUGH, IF THEY'RE COLLECTOR STREETS THAT WORK ITS WAY THROUGH OR ALONG THIS AREA OR ALONG THIS AREA.

BECAUSE THE WHOLE CONCEPT, OR NOT THE WHOLE CONCEPT, A SIGNIFICANT ELEMENT OF THE CONCEPT IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE USE THESE GOODS AND SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THOSE DOWNTOWN, THOSE SERVICE PROVIDERS, BY THOSE BUSINESSES.

SO I, THE ONLY AREA THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT MOST LIKELY COULD BE EVEN GATED IS DOWN HERE IN SEVEN AND UP HERE ON FOUR.

SO THE IDEA OF WALKABILITY AND ACCESS IS GONNA BE A HALLMARK OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, THE SAW FAMILY KIND OF PUT OUT A, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? RFQ OR SOMETHING.

AND THEY GOT ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN KEY LAND PLANNERS, UH, FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY QUITE FRANKLY.

UH, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN KIND OF THE FOUNDATION WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE CREATED A WALKABILITY ELEMENT.

SO I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SCENARIO THAT EXISTS TODAY WITH THE DEVELOPER OR THAT'S NOT A KEY COMPONENT OF THAT.

WAS THERE A LIMITATION THAT, I MEAN THIS ISN'T, THAT'S NOT REALLY BIG ENOUGH FOR BIG, I MEAN IT IS BIG ENOUGH BUT OUR BIG BOX IS NOT THE THE UH, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE BIG BOX FITS.

IT'S, THAT'S NOT THE MARKET OF RETAIL THAT WE'RE IN.

AND ODDLY ENOUGH, EVEN WHEN WE DID THE LOWE'S ACROSS THE STREET YEP.

UH, THIS WAS 2006 AT THE TIME, WE KNEW THERE WAS ONLY GONNA BE ONE BIG BIG BOX USER UP THERE AND WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY WERE GONNA FACE FACE COVELL OR KELLY.

SO OUR ZONING AT THAT TIME ALLOWED FOR 20 SOMETHING ACRES OF E TWO.

SPEAKING OF E TWO EARLIER TONIGHT.

AND WE SAID WE'D ONLY HAVE ONE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TWO.

AND THEY GOT TO PICK WHICH DIRECTION THEY FACED.

CUZ AT ONE POINT THEY WERE GONNA FACE KEVE.

AND THEY END UP FACING KELLY.

AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OF A BIG BOX RETAILER IN THAT AREA TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

UH, SINCE WELL IT'S NOT REALLY SET UP FOR THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST MAKING SURE.

NO, IT'S NOT.

NOTION AND I DON'T BLAME YOU.

IT DOESN'T HAVE THE DEPTH.

WE'RE NOT SHOWING THE DEPTH AND RIGHT.

WITH THE PARKING FIELDS.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU JUST DON'T SEE YET? RIGHT.

I MEAN I THINK WHICH WITH THAT, THAT'S WHAT COMES BACK TO MY CONNECTIVITY KIND OF WIDER SIDEWALKS OR SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, CLAY, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS IS THAT IT'S NOT A BIG BOX.

IT'S GONNA HAVE TONS OF TRAFFIC DRIVEN TO IT.

LIKE THE BIG BOX.

DOES THIS TYPE OF RETAIL MED TELL WHAT IT'S GONNA BE, WOULD CALL FOR SOME NICE CONNECTIVITY MAYBE BEHIND IT.

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE PLANNING ON THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

GOOD QUESTIONS.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS MR. ENSEN, I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE EDMOND ORDINANCE.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OPTION OTHER THAN TO REFER TO THAT AS MULTI-FAMILY.

AND I KNOW THAT CITIZENS, WHEN THEY HEAR THAT, THEY THINK OF CERTAIN THINGS AND THEY CONJURE UP IDEAS OF WHAT IT MIGHT BE.

AND I'VE OFTEN THOUGHT THAT THERE SOME WORD SMITH NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT WORD TO PROPERLY IDENTIFY WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE.

BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE A PRECONCEIVED

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I MEAN, IF THEY HEAR IT, THEY WANT, THEY'RE GONNA THINK OF SOMETHING.

SO YOU MENTIONED HIGHLAND 55, UH, YOU'RE A WORD SMITH.

WHAT WOULD YOU PHRASE THAT UP THERE? WELL, UH, I BELIEVE THE, THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE ON PA SEVEN IS TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS, I THINK IS A LANGUAGE.

WE, TOWNHOUSE IS MULTI-FAMILY.

AND YOU RE REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS AGO, I KIND OF GOT CAUGHT IN A SWITCH ON USING THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE AND THEN THE NEIGHBORS SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T, THEY FELT LIKE THEY GOT SWITCHED ON BEING A DUPLEX.

SO, UH, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH RANDY AND HIS STAFF TO COME UP WITH BETTER VERBIAGE CUZ I DON'T LIKE IT EITHER.

IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL, DUPLEX IS MULTI-FAMILY AND PEOPLE PICTURE ROLLING GREEN.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY PICTURE.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE LATER TONIGHT ON THIS AGENDA WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A STOP GA LANGUAGE FOR THE I 35 CORRIDOR STANDARDS TO APPLY TO ROUTE 66 GOING OUT TO WESTMINSTER.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A REASONABLE PLAN, I GUESS.

UH, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH RANDY AND COME UP WITH SOME BETTER LANGUAGE SO THAT WE DO NOT GET CAUGHT IN THE PROBLEM WHERE THE NEIGHBORS DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YET WE GIVE AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR PROJECT.

CUZ I, I KNOW CONCEPTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.

I, I THINK I DO AND I KNOW THE CONCERNS THAT COME FROM THE WAY THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES YOU TO FILE THIS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD MAYBE THAT NEEDS LOOKED AT.

UH, OR, AND I CERTAINLY WANT YOU TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE.

I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN COME UP WITH ALL THE WORDS YOU WANT, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA FILE IT LIKE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO.

DO SO, SO, UH, THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, AND YOU'VE IDENTIFIED WHAT'S OUR PROBLEM, RIGHT? IS THAT IF, IF PA SEVEN DOESN'T DEVELOP FOR SEVEN YEARS AND I COME IN WITH A SITE PLAN APPLICATION AND I'VE USED VERBIAGE THAT I MADE UP AND NOW SOMEONE AFTER ME IS TRYING TO INTERPRET IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S APPLICABLE, THEN IT GETS A LITTLE GOOSEY BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO DRAFTED IT IN HIS OWN VERBIAGE AND IT WASN'T COMPLIANT IS PROBLEM.

I GET IT.

SO, SO YEAH, I, I I THINK YOU'VE IDENTIFIED AN ISSUE AND IN PARTICULAR WITH THIS ONE LAND USE BECAUSE IT HAS SUCH EMOTIONAL BAGGAGE ATTACHED TO IT.

SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON, BUT I DO LIKE TO ASSESS SENIOR RESIDENCE ONLY PART OF THAT.

I MEAN, THAT KIND OF HELPS TO AN EXTENT TO, TO MY, MY THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT IT IS.

SO, AND THEN THE WRAP, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE P FOUR.

PA FOUR, THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN YOU'RE TALKING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IANA, RIGHT? THAT YES SIR.

WRAP, WRAP IDEA.

THE METROPOLITAN, YEAH.

FIVE C FIVE C.

MISS, DID YOU HOLD YOUR HAND UP ON THE FRONT ROW? A, B, C? WE CAN PLAY ROCK PAPER SCISSOR.

YOU WON.

CAN'T ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS UNTIL IT'S PLATTED.

REALLY.

I'VE SEEN THAT EARLIER.

IF YOU COULD KINDLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.

MY NAME IS RICHARD BILLINGS.

I LIVE IN THOMAS TRAILS.

UH, I LIVE KIND OF IN THE, UH, I'D SAY THE SOUTH, UH, EAST CORNER, UH, THAT, UH, OUTSIDE THAT, THAT GREEN THING OF THE RING BORDER HERE.

AND THERE'S A, A COUPLE CONCERNS I'VE SEEN WITH MY STREET NEIGHBORS AND STUFF.

UH, THIS GENTLEMAN HAS SOME GREAT PICTURES.

I DUNNO IF WE CAN GET SOME OF HIS PICTURES UP THERE OF, OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA WITH THE LANDSCAPE IN INTACT.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? WE'LL TRY.

UM, OKAY, GOOD.

NOW YOU CAN SEE THE HEAVY WOODED AREAS IN THAT, THAT CORNER BASICALLY.

AND SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THEY TALK ABOUT THE, THE FOUR STORY BUILDING, WHICH I KNOW EVERYBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS, NO, NO, NO, NO.

WE GOT THREE STORIES ACROSS THE STREET.

WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE.

THREE STORIES.

YOU CAN SEE THERE'S HARMING ANYTHING AT THE TOP CORNER BASICALLY.

IT GETS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER HERE, BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY TAKE OUT AND WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN.

NOBODY WANTS TO LOOK OUT THEIR BACKYARD AND LOOK AT A FOUR-STORY BUILDING.

YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO SAY THIS IS ONE OF THE BETTER PLAS I'VE EVER SEEN DONE.

EXCUSE ME, THE BUDS BASICALLY.

BUT THERE'S A, TO ME THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE, THE BOTTOM PARCEL HERE, THE PA SEVEN THINK IT WAS, WAS THE, WAS WAS NOTED TO US MULTI-FAMILY, UH, SENIOR, UH, UH, LIVING AREA BASICALLY, UH, WITH THE GATED COMMUNITY WITH THE POOL AND OTHER BUILDINGS AND STUFF.

BUT UH, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THE BAD CONNOTATION OF A DUPLEX, BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TWO FAMILY STRUCTURES, WHICH THAT'S OKAY.

UH, BUT THAT'S NOT GUARANTEED.

YOU KNOW, NOTHING IN THIS PICTURE HERE OR IN THE PICTURE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING IS GUARANTEED.

IT'S JUST THE CLASSIFICATION.

AND THAT'S JUST VERY CONCERNING, YOU KNOW, CUZ THEY

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IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PUT SOME OF THESE RESTRICTIONS INTO THIS THING SO THEY DON'T CHANGE THE LEFT FIELD, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN THE ROAD? WELL, KEEP IN MIND, I'LL, I'LL SAY SOMETHING HERE.

THERE'S STILL THE, THE PLATTING PROCESS THAT WILL COME BEFORE US AGAIN.

SO YOU GUYS WILL BE HERE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AGAIN ON THAT.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HANG THAT, THAT'S A COMMON CONFUSION IN THIS MEETING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A LONG LENGTH PROCESS AND WELL CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A BUYER YET EITHER.

THEY DON'T HAVE BUYERS, RIGHT? SO I MEAN WHEN YOU ZONE SOMETHING MULTIPURPOSE, OKAY, AND EACH ONE OF THOSE SQUARES HAVE MULTIPURPOSE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE CENTER BASICALLY.

YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE ANY ONE OF FIVE OR SIX THINGS AND A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS LIKE A HOTEL IS A NO-NO.

OKAY, WE DON'T WANNA SEE A HOTEL NOW, SOMETHING THIS PAST YOU CAN SAY YOU CAN'T PUT A HOTEL, YOU CAN'T PUT THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING IN, UH, THE CITIZEN.

THE SENIOR AREA BASICALLY IS A FENCED IN, UH, YOU KNOW, GATED COMMUNITY.

UH, AND IT'S GONNA BE SENIORS AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT'S LABELED FOR.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF LESS APPREHENSION TO SAY, OKAY, WE WILL GO WITH YOU HERE BASICALLY.

UH, I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.

TAKE ALL TIME NEED, UH, I GAVE A LIST OF 20 ITEMS TO CLAY BASICALLY, UNFORTUNATELY, I APOLOGIZE I GAVE TO YOU LATE YESTERDAY.

BASICALLY.

UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC DOCUMENTATION AND ACCESS TO PUBLIC INFORMATION ON THIS THING IN A TIMELY MANNER.

YOUR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING SAY, HEY GO HERE.

WE GOT SOMETHING NEW.

GO HERE NEXT NEW.

UH, I'VE GIVEN MY EMAIL.

I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE GIVE 'EM THEIR EMAIL.

MORE THAN HAPPY JUST TO KIND OF REVIEW IT AS WE GO THROUGH.

UH, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PA THREE, UH, CAN WE GET THE OTHER MAP UP THAT HAS THE, UH, NOTATIONS OF, OF THE AREAS? OKAY, IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER IS THIS, THIS THING THAT DOES HAVE SOME CONCERNS CUZ IT IS THE CLOSEST THING TO OUR AREA.

NOW GRANTED, UH, UH, THERE IS NO DIMENSIONS OTHER THAN SQUARE ACREAGE HERE.

SO WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING IN, HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA BE A BUILDING, WHAT SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS, CUZ IT'S A GENERAL PURPOSE INSTRUMENT THAT SAYS WHAT'S GOING IN HERE.

OKAY? BUT THIS, WHAT NEIGHBORS OUR PROPERTY ARE, ARE CLOSEST TO OUR PROPERTY BY FAR.

AND THE DUPLEXES AT THE BOTTOM OBVIOUSLY DO, THERE'S LESS CONCERNS OF THE HOUSING DEVELOP IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE IT'S HOUSING VERSUS HOUSING.

THERE'S A THOMAS TRAIL, THERE'S AN ACTUALLY, UH, FIVE FOOT, SIX FOOT WIDE TRAIL, UH, CEMENT TRAIL WITH FIVE FOOT SIDES TO IT COMING DOWN THERE.

AND, BUT THAT GREEN BUFFERING BASICALLY IS WE, WE DON'T KNOW LIKE WHAT'S THE FENCES ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT THIS TREE PRESERVATION, I SAW SOME OTHER DOCUMENT THAT MAY BE THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM THE, THE DETAILS OF THIS PRE TREE PRESENTATION.

UH, IT WAS IN ONE, ONE OF THE PACKAGES.

I I I SAW BASICALLY WHAT'S GOT ME CONCERNED THAT, AND THEY REALLY CAN'T TELL US WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE.

NOW I SAID I LIVE DOWN IN, IN THE, THE SOUTHEAST, UH, CORNER BASICALLY AND RIGHT PARALLEL THAT GREEN LINE IS A SIDEWALK BASICALLY.

AND UH, ON SAWYER'S LAND THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF PRETTY SAD TREES THAT WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING.

THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S IN MY DOCUMENT BASICALLY THAT THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN OUT AND REPLANTED OR SOMETHING.

UH, AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO UH, THE PA SEVEN AREA ON THAT 70 FOOT AREA.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD IS WHY DO WE GO FROM 50 TO 70? WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE A 70 LA CROSS? OR IS IT JUST SOME SORT OF PARTITION OR, OR, OR, OR INFORMATION THAT THAT'S REQUIRED US TO BE ONLY 50.

UH, CUZ THAT IS OUR KIND OF, WE'RE THOMAS TRAILS AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR TRAILS SO TO SPEAK.

UH, I ASKED TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY TRAFFIC DENSITY REPORTS PRE AND POST IN THIS AREA BASICALLY.

AND THEY SAID NOT YET.

BASICALLY THEY HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY AND I SAID, OUR, I SEE FOUR BRAND NEW MAJOR ROADS COMING IN THERE.

I SAID, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ENTRANCES AND NTAS? AND THEY SAID, WELL YEAH, THERE WILL BE BECAUSE THAT'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE PARKING LOTS AND DRIVES AND DRIVES.

SO WE'RE THE VERY NEXT, UH, STREET COMING INTO OUR DOOR.

OUR MAIN ENTRANCE IS THE VERY NEXT STREET.

AND RIGHT NOW WITH THE, THE LARGE DEVELOP TO THE SOUTH, RIGHT? PARDON ME? TO THE SOUTH? UH, NO, WE'RE THE VERY, WE'RE TALKING COAL VALLEY HERE.

WE'RE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

EAST EXIT OUT OF OUR SIDE, BUT DURING PEAK HOURS WE GOT SCHOOL BUSES AND KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL TO THE TWO, TO THE TWO SCHOOLS BASICALLY.

AND WE'RE THE VERY NEXT ENTRANCE THERE.

AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM US WE HAVE TO FIGHT THE OTHER ENTRANCE OF ANOTHER LARGE DEVELOPMENT BASICALLY THAT'S IN THERE.

AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA ADD TWO MORE STREETS COMING IN THERE.

AND I SAID, WELL HOW ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT TRAFFIC HERE? I WANT, I MEAN IT'S TOUGH ENOUGH TO GET OUT BASICALLY, UH, OUT THERE AND WE DO HAVE AN

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SO THERE IS CONCERN, WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN YOU REZONE THIS, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE TRAFFIC.

AND THAT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT OR WAY LATE IN THE GAME BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE PEOPLE WHO GONNA PUT SOMETHING IN THERE SO YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GONNA GO IN THERE TO DETERMINE THE TRAFFIC.

SO THERE'S SOME APPREHENSION THERE AS FAR AS FIVE DOWN THE ROAD, HOW THIS IS DIFFICULT, IT'S GOING FOR ME TO GET OUT AND GET INTO MY PROPERTY BASICALLY.

ESPECIALLY IF I'M GOING, UH, IF I HAVE TO GO TO THE LEFT BASICALLY ACROSS TRAFFIC, IT'S A LOT OF TIMES I TAKE MY EASTERN ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW TO AVOID THAT TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY IN TRAFFIC AREAS.

AND I, I HAVE CONCERNS OF THAT.

UH, TALKED ABOUT THAT, TALKED ABOUT THAT.

UH, WE, YOU KNOW, I I THINK WHAT A LOT OF THINGS DECISIONS GET DONE WITH THE PLAT.

WE ALREADY HAD THIS, HOPEFULLY WE'VE LICKED THE PROBLEM NOW AND WE JUST DON'T WANT TO ADD TO IT.

AND I REALIZED UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S THE TIME THING THAT GOES DOWN THE ROAD.

AND EVEN THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE DETAILS CUZ YOU DON'T HAVE A BUYER YET.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS ALL PLAYS OUT IN THE LONG RUN FOR ANYBODY WHO'S CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT PROPERTY AND HOW'S IT FIXED THEM IS ONCE YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION AND YOU SAY, YEP, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN TO THAT.

AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ANXIETY NOT KNOWING WHAT IS GONNA GO IN THERE.

LET ME JUST TELL YOU, THOSE GUYS ARE UNDER A MICROSCOPE CUZ THAT LAND'S BEEN SITTING OUT THERE AND PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT FOR YEARS WHAT'S GONNA GO.

AND SO EVERY MOVE THEY MAKE, UH, THEY'RE TRULY, THEY'RE UNDER A MICROSCOPE BY THE CITY STAFF, BY THE MEMBERS THAT SIT UP HERE, MEMBERS THAT SIT ON THE COUNCIL.

SO ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WE'RE GONNA, AND THEY'LL CHAT WITH YOU ABOUT 'EM UP HERE PUBLICLY, BUT THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT THEY PUT IN THE P U D WILL BE IRONCLAD.

REST ASSURED TO THAT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, THERE'S NO, WE WOKE A SWITCH COMING FOR YOU.

SO WE'LL GET THE ANSWERS TO THESE AND PLEASE CONTINUE.

BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THE HEAT THAT THEY'RE UNDER TO DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY'LL DO AND THEY WILL, THEY'LL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT.

AND ONE THING I LOOK AT IS THAT EVERYTHING THEY'RE PUTTING IN THERE, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY ALREADY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOUSES ACROSS THE STREET.

WE HAVE 'EM ON, ON COVELL, WE HAVE 'EM ON KELLY, WE HAVE THE SENIOR CITIZENS ON, ON UH, THE BROAD, UH, IS IT BROADWAY? I GUESS NOT BROADWAY.

WELL IT'S, IT'S A FUNKY STREET THERE BECAUSE IT, I THINK IT'S BROADWAY RIGHT THERE.

IT TURNS INTO THE WE KNOW BOULEVARD , YOU KNOW, AND SO I'M GOING, OKAY, WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THESE THINGS, RIGHTNESS, AMENITY BASICALLY.

ARE WE REALLY COMPROMISING? I MEAN THE ORIGINAL THING WHEN WE MOVED IN THERE, WE SAW, LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET MACY'S IN HERE OR WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A, A HOTEL IN HERE.

THAT'S PART OF THE, PART OF THE THE LIKE OF THIS AREA BASICALLY.

NOW I KNOW THINGS GET PROGRESSED AND SO I THINK THE FEELING HERE IS WE'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE RESIDENTIAL AND NOT FOUR STORIES.

HOPEFULLY NOT EVEN THREE STORIES, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S A MONEY THING.

SO, BUT MAYBE WE CAN COMPROMISE ON THREE STORIES ON, ON, ON, ON THE CONCERN THAT THE BOARD ALREADY POINTED OUT ON THAT ONE THING.

UH, BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE SEEN IN THOMAS TRAIL, UH, IS UH, WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH PARENTS TRYING TO ALLUDE PARKING AT ROSS ELEMENTARY.

AND SO THEY WOULD COME IN DURING DROP OFF AND PICK UP TIME AND JUST FLOOD OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, 50 60 CARS, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES BLOCKING THE WHOLE STREET, THREE CARS ACROSS AND AFTER TALKING TO LEGAL AND TALKING TO POLICE, BASICALLY WE REALIZE THAT THE CUT THROUGH THEY'RE USING IS OWNED BY OUR HOA.

AND SO WE PUT A NO TRS PASSING SIGN THERE AND THE SCHOOL REACHED OUT AND SAID OKAY, WE WILL TAG EVERYBODY'S BOOK PEG AND WE WON'T ALLOW ANYBODY TO GO THROUGH THERE UNLESS THEY'RE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN HERE COMING UP IS THAT TWO THINGS.

ONE IS WHERE, HOW THE CHILDREN'S GONNA GET TO JOHN ROSS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT OKAY.

AND PICK THEIR CUTS UP AND DROP 'EM OFF.

WE CERTAINLY DON'T NEED THAT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGAIN.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WHERE THERE'S A CROSS STUBS STUB DISCRETE, THEY'RE TALK STUB STREET THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.

WE DO NOT WANT ANY ACCESS THROUGH THERE BECAUSE THEY'LL JUST DRIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, DROP OFF THE KID, OKAY,

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I UNDERSTAND IT WAS, IT WAS JUST A NIGHTMARE AND REACHING OUT THERE WAS REALLY A SECURITY CUZ WE HAD FOUR OR FIVE, UH, OVER A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS OF NEAR MISSES BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT KIDS RUNNING THROUGH COMING OUT, PARKED CARS AND PEOPLE PICKING UP AND NOT REALLY PAYING ATTENTION.

AND WE WERE THINKING ABOUT POSSIBLY MAYBE SAYING NO PARKING ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT THAT JUST, WE DON'T OWN THE STREET, BUT WE CAN ONLY DO THAT, UH, TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

WE CAN'T DO THAT TO ANYBODY ELSE.

SO THOSE WAS THE ONLY SOLUTION WE COULD FIND THAT THAT SOLVED THEIR PROBLEM.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THE, THEY COULDN'T REALLY GIVE US A BROAD TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, OKAY, HOPEFULLY WE GET THE, YOUR APPROVAL WHEN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS OR SOMETHING.

AND THEN AFTER THAT THE PLOT MAYBE COMES OUT IN THE NEXT UH, EIGHT MONTHS AND THEN AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST A GENERAL PROGRESSION OF THE TIMELINE.

UH, CUZ I, I COULDN'T EVEN ANSWER THINGS LIKE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

UH, WHAT'S THE SIZES OF THE HOUSES, WHAT'S THE SIZE RANGE OF THE HOUSES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CONCERNING TO US.

I MEAN, AND I'M HOPING, AND I'M HOPING, I'M SURE THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH TO REALIZE, OKAY, WHAT'S THE RIGHT SIZE HOUSES, YOU KNOW, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT BASICALLY FOR EDMOND, YOU KNOW, THE SIZES MAY BE 1750 UP TO 2250 OR SOME WHATEVER IT IS.

BASICALLY IT'S NOT THE 1100 SQUARE FOOT, IT'S NOT THE THE THREE STORY, YOU KNOW, 4,000 SQUARE FOOT.

BUT THOSE NUMBERS EVEN, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A RANGE YOU DON'T HAVE GIVE US, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WILL, I THINK IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHAT INTEREST RATES DO, THEY COULD TELL YOU WHAT THINGS DO BE AS A PERSON THAT DOES REAL ESTATE.

I MEAN IT'S THERE ALL THE, ALL YOUR DEMAND FEATURES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MARKET WILL WILL WEIGH THAT OUT.

YEAH, THERE IS, THERE'S LITERALLY NO WAY FOR THEM TO KNOW.

I MEAN LITERALLY THEY DON'T KNOW AS THEY AND THEY SHOULD, I MEAN THEY REALLY DON'T UNTIL THEY GET TO, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION THAT ANYBODY KNOWS.

I MEAN ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION OF SECTION EIGHT.

WELL ADMIN'S TOO EXPENSIVE FOR SECTION EIGHT.

SO I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN AT THIS POINT'S TOO EXPENSIVE FOR 2000 SQUARE FOOT.

SO, BUT IT'S THAT TYPE OF QUESTION.

SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY, HEY, THERE'S A PRICE RANGE HERE AND THAT'S WHAT THE IS IN SINGLE FAMILY AND IT'S GONNA BE, UH, THERE'S A CA ONE, TWO AND THREE PLUS TP ONE AREAS.

UH, THEY'RE JUST REALLY WANTED MORE DETAIL OF THOSE, THOSE AREAS, ESPECIALLY UP IN THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER BECAUSE THAT'S THE BUFFER FROM OUR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BASICALLY.

UH, AND REALLY DON'T, I GUESS AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO PLANT.

SO I MEAN WE'RE, I THINK, AND GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE RESIDENTIAL AREA GONNA BE HOA? UH, IS IT GONNA HAVE AMENITIES? IS IT GONNA HAVE, WHERE ARE THE AMENITIES? IS GONNA HAVE A POOLS, IS IT'S POOL CLOSE TO OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR SIDE.

SO THE, THE NEIGHBORS HERE, THE KIDS JUMPING IN THE WATER.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF FENCES JANE LINK.

I HOPE NOT.

HOPE THAT'S EVEN OUTLAWED.

JANE WON'T BE BASICALLY.

BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD KNOW.

I WOULD THINK.

WELL THEY DO KNOW IN THEIR MIND THEY DON'T KNOW TONIGHT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I'M, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, TAKE THE CHAIN LINK, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

THOSE GUYS COULDN'T EVEN, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WALK IN HERE.

THEY'D GET TOLD, TURN AROUND AND GO BACK OUT AND REDO IT.

WELL, AND, AND THAT'S GREAT NEWS TO HEAR, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT.

WELL, IT'S, IT'S THE TRUTH.

AND I MEAN THIS PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO RIGHT NOW NEARLY A THOUSAND HOMES, RIGHT? THEY COULD PUT A THOUSAND HOUSES ON THERE AND UH, WALK OUTTA HERE SKIPPING OVER TO THE COFFEE SHOP.

SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU'D RATHER HAVE SOMETHING REMOTELY LIKE THIS AS OPPOSED TO A THOUSAND HOMES.

AND, AND AND, AND AS I, IN THE BEGINNING STATEMENT, I SAID, I LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE HERE.

WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE US MORE COMFORTABLE.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT IT'S NOT REQUIRED TONIGHT.

AND I KNOW, AND I SAID THIS AT THE VERY BEGINNING, YOU'RE GONNA WANT ANSWERS THAT AREN'T AVAILABLE TONIGHT.

I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR HAVING THE QUESTIONS I DO.

I'VE HAD IT HAPPEN OUT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WANT THIS, THIS, AND THIS, OR WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS, THIS, AND THIS.

SO THOSE ARE COMING AND I, I CAN TELL YOU SITTING UP HERE TONIGHT, THE TWO FELLOWS THAT ARE SITTING OUT THERE, THEY KNOW THEY'RE UNDER THE GUN AND UNDER THE SPOTLIGHT HERE, THIS IS A BIG TRACK OF LAND.

IT'S PROBABLY A 5, 6, 7, 8 YEAR PROJECT, MAYBE MORE AT LEAST.

MORE AT LEAST.

AND THESE DETAILS WILL COME ABOUT MR. BILLINGS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR WHAT THEY ARE.

AND THEN THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU, YOUR NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS TO COME UP HERE AND SAY,

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AND THAT'S WHEN THOSE DISCUSSIONS START.

AND I MEAN, JUST RECENTLY THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF AN APPLICATION THAT WANTED A CERTAIN TYPE OF FENCING.

THE APPLICANT DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO DO THAT CUZ IT WAS GONNA BE EXPENSIVE, BUT THEY DID.

AND IT'S ALL THAT PROCESS THAT'S, I KNOW, I MEAN I WOULD SAY IT'S HAIR PULLING, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE ANY MORE OF THAT .

SO IT'S, IT'S A LONG PROCESS AND IT WILL EVENTUALLY COME TO LIGHT AND GET ITSELF WORKED OUT.

AND TONIGHT THE ITEM IS REZONING AND I'M HAPPY TO SIT UP HERE TILL IT GETS DARK TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S NOT ON THE PAGE BECAUSE I THINK YOU DESERVE SOME ANSWERS.

THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN TONIGHT.

SURE.

BUT THAT'S COMING AND UH, REST ASSURED THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE ANSWERS THEN.

FANTASTIC.

I THINK THAT'S, WELL WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IS ALSO MORE COMMUNITY CONNECTION MEETINGS WITH EACH PIECE WHEN THEY WANT TO PLA A SIDE PLAN, WHICH JUST WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING LATELY.

SO, RIGHT.

AND I TAKE THAT THE, THE MORE DETAILS ONLY COME OUT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CLADDING OF THE, OF THE AREA.

THERE'S A PROCESS AND THOSE WILL COME OUT, BUT THEY'RE, I MEAN MR. MCKINNIS KNOWS THAT AS EACH ONE OF THESE STEPS TAKE PLACE, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK OUT THERE AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND TALK TO YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.

I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE FLAT FOOTED.

HE'S GONNA BE BUSY DRIVING BACK AND FORTH OUT THERE DOING THAT.

UH, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU THIS IS A PERFECT WORLD, BUT IT'S, IT IS BETTER THAN A THOUSAND HOUSES AND IT IS A, I MEAN, THERE'LL BE A TIME FOR YOU TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND THEY'LL, THOSE WILL TAKE PLACE AND YOU'LL FIND OUT THE DETAILS ABOUT THINGS AND SOMETIMES YOU'RE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE THINGS.

AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE THAT ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO ASSIST YOU IN THAT WHEN THOSE OCCUR.

IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION CALL ONE OF, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THIS WORKS IN A PERFECT WORLD.

AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD SPOT THAT WE'RE IN TO HAVE THESE TALKS.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE SENIOR CITIZEN AREA THAT GOES THERE, IT'S A, THEY'RE BASICALLY DUPLEX.

IT'S TWO FAMILY HOMES BASICALLY.

IS THERE EVER A CHANCE THAT THERE CAN'T BE A SENIOR CITIZEN DUPLEX AREA? I'M SORRY, I IS THERE EVER A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT CAN'T BE A SENIOR CITIZEN AREA AND THEY JUST PUT DUPLEXES IN THERE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

THERE CANNOT NOT BE AGE RESTRICTED AT SOME POINT.

OH, THE P D SAYS RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S BEEN SOLD TO US THAT THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, GATED COMMUNITY.

OH, OKAY.

PLUS 55.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ON, THEY'RE NOT BACKING UP ON THAT.

THIS THING DOESN'T HAVE ANY STATUE FOR THAT.

BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOT A CLEARANCE FOR A BUNCH OF THINGS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TENTATIVELY POSING, PUTTING IN THERE.

BUT THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT.

THEY'RE NOT BACKING UP ON THAT.

THEY KNOW THEY GOTTA MARKET FOR THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

ECONOMICALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

, THEY CAN'T BACK UP ON THAT.

THEY'VE SAID IT SIT STANDING UP THERE.

WELL, PLUS THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO HERE FOR CHANGE IN THE POD.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WELL, I MEAN, IN THE BEGINNING I SAID I THINK THEY GOT A GREAT START HERE.

I MEAN, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, I'VE SEEN OTHER ONES AND I SAID, OKAY, THEY DID THE RIGHT THING.

THEY, YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED IN PLAINO AND PLAINO HAS A SIMILAR TYPE OF METHODOLOGY.

WELL THAT AIN'T GONNA LOOK LIKE PLAINO , BUT IT, IT'S GOT THE COMMERCIAL ON THE OUTSIDE AND AS YOU GO IN, YOU GOT THE, THAT WORKED OUT.

I LIKE JUST SOME OF THE DETAILS I GUESS I, I'M SCARED OF BASICALLY.

SURE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

IS SITTING, UM, TO OUR NORTH.

THANK YOU MR. BILLINGS.

ARE THERE OTHERS? UH, FIVE C? YES MA'AM.

OH, MISS, YOU'RE ON DECK BY WAY.

HI, MY NAME'S AMY.

I'M IN HAWKS LANDING AND UM, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LAST NAME.

AMY MOORE.

OH, I'M IN HAWKS LANDING.

I AM, UM, UNFORTUNATELY ONE OF TWO HOUSES OUT OF ALL OF HAWKS LANDING OUT OF ALL OF THOMAS TRAILS THAT DOES NOT HAVE A BUFFER OF A WALKING PATH BEHIND ME.

AND I HAVE THE P SEVEN, WHICH MEANS SEEMS TO BE IN QUESTION OF WHETHER IT'S DUPLEXES TO GENERAL POPULATION OR SENIOR LIVING.

SO THAT IS CONCERNING THAT THE STATUTE IS NOT MORE CLEAR ON THAT.

I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER REWORDING THAT ALSO.

BUT MY CONCERN IS MORE ABOUT TRAFFIC.

UM, HAWKS LANDING IS VERY DANGEROUS TO GET OUT OF WANTED KEK I CALLED MULTIPLE TIMES, UM, LAST SUMMER, SUMMER BEFORE WHENEVER THERE WAS A SHRUBS IN THE, UH, MEDIAN, WHICH CITY IS FINALLY REMOVED, BUT WE CAN'T SEE WHEN WE TURN TO GO BACK TO THE SOUTH, THE FENCE LINE OF THE NEIGHBOR, UM, HOOD THAT'S TO THE SOUTH IS EXTENDING TOO FAR OUT.

SO WE HAVE TO NOSE OUT NOW WE HAVE PAMPERED PETS OR PAWS OR SOMETHING THAT

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AND SO WE HAVE PEOPLE DOING U-TURNS AT OUR ENTRANCE TO GO BACK AND TURN INTO THE VETERINARY CLINIC.

SO I FORESEEN MORE U-TURNS COMING DOWN THAT ROAD.

UM, MORE WRECKS HAPPENING THERE.

SO I WOULD JUST PROPOSE TO THE CITY TO CONSIDER, UM, A BETTER TRAFFIC FLOW FOR KELLY.

UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE RESIDENTIAL, UM, USES OF DIFFERENT NATURE AND COMMERCIAL USES.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE MORE PEOPLE ON THAT ROAD.

I COME HOME ON KELLY COMING FROM THE NORTH, GOING SOUTH AT FIVE O'CLOCK EVERY DAY TODAY I MADE MARK TO SEE WHERE THE TRAFFIC WAS STOPPED AT.

IT WAS BACKED FROM UM, CAVE TO THE LOWE'S ENTRANCE, SO ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE BACK.

THAT WAS AT, AT 4 59.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT HAPPENS AT 5 10, 5 15, IT GETS FURTHER.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK THE CITY TO CONSIDER THAT CABELA IN THE MORNING.

I TRAVEL KEVE GOING TO THE EAST TO I 35 IN THE MORNING.

UM, THERE'S A HIGH SCHOOL ENTRANCE ON THAT BACKSIDE.

, THAT LANE BACKS UP SO FAR.

IT'S VERY DANGEROUS.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF KIDS DRIVING IT, TRYING TO INCH IN PARENTS THAT ARE LATE FOR WORK.

SO I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT TALKED ABOUT THOMAS TRAILS HAS AN ISSUE GETTING OUT.

THOSE OF US TRYING TO TRAVEL EAST HAVE AN ISSUE OF GOING EAST.

UM, SO THOSE WOULD BE MY THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER.

MY LAST THING WOULD JUST BE THE, THE TREE PRESERVATION.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THOSE OF US THAT BACK UP TO THIS AREA WITH NOTHING BEHIND US ARE VERY SAD TO SEE IT GO.

UM, I UNDERSTAND TIMES ARE CHANGING, BUT I DO, I WOULD LIKE THE DEVELOPERS TO CONSIDER THAT THEIR BIGGEST TREE PRESERVATION IS SITTING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AT 2.97 ACRES.

UM, WHICH THEY COULD EXTEND THAT BACK TOWARDS THE HOMES THAT ALREADY EXIST.

THEY'LL BE PUTTING IT BEHIND, UM, THE PAMPERED PETS OR PAWS OR I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NAME OF THAT BUSINESS, BUT DOGGY PLACE, UM, .

IT, IT IS A, IT'S A, YES, THE LARGE CLINIC.

UM, AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, UH, BE PUT MORE AS A BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE HOUSES THAT ALREADY EXIST AND, AND THE RESIDENCES AND THE SENIOR LIVING AND SUCH THAT'S GOING IN THERE.

THANK YOU, MS. MOORE.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

UH, MR. MCKENZIE, WHEN YOU MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, KEEP, KEEP THOSE TWO HOUSES IN MIND, MS. MOORE AND OTHERS IF YOU WOULD.

AND THEN MR. LAWRENCE, WOULD YOU MIND GIVING MS. MOORE A CONTACT FOR YOU? SO IF SHE HAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, OUR CITY ENGINEER HERE CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE TRAFFIC? YES, MA'AM.

YOU'RE LONG WAITED.

TELL, TELL ME YOUR NAME.

MY NAME IS, UH, JULIE, J O L A E, MILNER, M E L G Z N E R.

AND MY HOMEOWNER AND THOMAS TRAIL.

AND, UM, I'M WARMING UP TO THE IDEA DON'T FAINT GUYS, , BUT, UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, MY FEELINGS HAVE BEEN HURT TOO SINCE I FELT THIS WAS ALL GONNA BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND I DID THINK THEY'D BE ALL PACKED IN ONE AREA, BE, YOU KNOW, DIVIDED IN SUCH DIVISIONS.

BUT, UM, THUS BEING SAID, MY GREATEST CONCERNS, UM, ARE FOR THE CHILDREN ON THE WALKING TRAIL.

I THINK IT'S A, A SAFETY ISSUE AND I WANNA KEEP, I JUST WANNA KEEP IT SAFE FOR THE CHILDREN.

AND I, I KNOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ALLEYS AND THEY TOLD ME THAT AN ALLEY WOULDN'T BACK UP TO THAT WALKING TRAIL LAST WEEK CAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY.

AM I CORRECT ON THAT? NO, I DID NOT.

I DID NOT SAY THAT.

MISUNDERSTOOD THAT THEN.

OKAY, THEN I'M GOING TO GO THERE.

UM, AS FAR AS THAT, UM, GREEN AREA IS THERE, I WAS HOPING THERE'D BE A WAY THAT WE COULD TAKE THAT.

IS THAT AREA IN THE FAR UPPER RIGHT? IS THAT THE OIL WELL OR WHAT IS THAT UP IN THE FAR UPPER RIGHT MA'AM? YOUR GRAY YOU TALKING ABOUT UP HERE? OH, DETENTION CA TWO.

ON THE AREA BECAUSE, UM, I HAVE THE AERIAL VIEW THAT MR. MCKEN HAD SENT ME, UM, LAST WEEK OF THAT.

AND MY CONCERN IS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY ON THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC AT THAT UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER TO THE EAST OF THAT PROPERTY.

UM, OVER THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE RETAINING AREA RIGHT THERE.

THE GRAY THING.

IT'S THE RETAINING AREA.

IT'S THE RETAINING.

I THOUGHT IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALK.

ROCKWOOD, WE'RE GONNA PUT ONE IN THERE.

HERE, LET'S TALK TO US.

I'M SORRY.

WE'LL GET YOU SOME ANSWERS.

IT'S ALL RIGHT.

I'M SO SORRY MR. BILLINGS.

I'M, UH, MAKING REFERENCE TO THE UPPER RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE DIAGRAM, UM, WHERE THERE'S A WALKING TRAIL TO THE RIGHT OF IT.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS I THOUGHT THAT RETAINER AREA WAS TO THE EAST OF THE WALKING TRAIL FROM THOMAS TRAILS THAT GOES NORTH.

I MEAN, MY CONCERN IS JUST FOR, FOR SAFETY THAT IF WE COULD KEEP IT GREEN AND UH, THAT TYPE OF THING FOR CHILDREN, THERE ARE WALKING THAT TRAIL.

WE'VE GOT PEOP CHILDREN IN APARTMENTS THAT COME ACROSS THE STREET THERE.

UM, THAT TYPE OF THING.

THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS.

TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

JUST TO KEEP THAT A SAFE POSSIBLE.

MY OTHER AREA OF CONCERN HAS BEEN MENTIONED ALSO, AND THAT IS, UM, WHERE OREGON TRAIL BUTTS UP TO THE NEW DEVELOP PLANET.

MA'AM, CAN YOU, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T, CAN YOU SPEAK? I GOT A MASK ON IT SECOND.

NO, NO, THE MASK IS FINE.

I JUST NEED YOU

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UM, ANYWAY, UM, THERE'S A OREGON TRAIL THAT COMES IN FROM THE EAST THROUGH THOMAS TRAIL.

AND THAT DEAD ENDS UP TO THE WALKING PATH OVER THERE THAT, UM, IS ADJACENT TO THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

MY CONCERN IS THAT ALSO BECAUSE THERE'S A PARK THERE FOR SAFETY OF THE CHIL FOR CHILDREN IN THAT, UM, THOMAS TRAILS DIVISION.

REFERENCE, REFERENCE WAS MADE.

I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN, BUT MY CONCERN IS FOR THE CHILDREN IN THE AREA THERE.

UM, AND THE OTHER, UM, CONCERN I HAD HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED, AND THAT IS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE FOUR STORY, UM, BUILDING THERE.

I THINK THAT THAT IS, I I FEEL THAT THAT'S EXCEEDING THE LIMITS FOR THE, BUT I JUST THINK IT WOULD LOOK OUT OF PLACE.

LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.

UM, LONG STORY SHORT ON THAT, MY CONCERN IS, UM, THE LOT LINES ON AREA P UM, P SIX THERE, P A SIX, UM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING LAST WEEK, REFERENCE WAS MADE TO THE, CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT HERE, MA'AM.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

I'M SORRY.

THAT DON'T, YOUR MASK.

YOU'RE, HE'S NOT EVEN CLOSER.

YOUR MASK IS FINE.

I CAN'T, IT'S OKAY.

I I'M A MUMBLER TOO.

SO REFERENCE WAS MADE, UM, TO THE FACT THAT THE, UM, HOUSES WOULD BE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER AND THAT, UM, WE'VE GOT 43.3 ACRES THERE.

SO I FIGURE THAT, UM, IF WE WOULD FIGURE LOTS, MAYBE BEING AT A SIZE OF POSSIBLY 60 TO 160 WIDE TO A HUNDRED FEET DEEP, THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO GET 301 HOUSES ON THAT AREA.

AM I CORRECT ON THAT? NO, MA'AM.

WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET YOU SOME ANSWERS HERE.

I MEAN, I JUST HAVE CONCERNS AS TO THE SIZE OF THE LOTS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THAT 43 ACRES AND HOW MANY HOUSES THEY PLAN TO PUT THERE.

UM, I DID ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT NOT HAVING AN ALLEY BACK UP TO, UM, THE TRAIL THERE WHERE THE CHILDREN ARE WALKING.

I THINK AN ALLEY WILL BE DANGEROUS.

NEVER KNOW WHAT LURKS AROUND AN ALLEY, YOU KNOW, THAT BACKS UP TO A TRAIL, THAT TYPE OF THING.

UM, I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SINGLE STORY FAMILY HOMES BACKED UP TO THE THOMAS TRAIL WALKING PATH JUST FOR SAFETY.

AND THEN, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY MAIN ISSUES.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE LOT SIZES OF THAT THEY WANNA PUT IN THAT PA SIX AREA AND ALSO THE SIZE OF HOME THAT THEY'D LIKE TO PLACE ON THAT PER SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THAT, UH, AND I WANT TO KNOW THAT TOO.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT TO WELL, BUT THEY'VE DONE SOME MATH THAT THEY WERE SAYING THAT THE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.

YOU SAID THEY'RE MA'AM CLOSE, DIDN'T YOU MA'AM? WHAT? I'M SORRY.

YOU GOTTA TALK, HE SAID AT THE WRONG PLACE FOR ME TO TALK.

ARE THERE OTHERS FIVE C? OH, YES MA'AM.

HI, I'M, HI, I'M CAROLYN MUHOLLAND.

I LIVE AT 1905 BRIAN WAY IN WESTBORO.

AND SO MY HOUSE, UM, I'M AT THE VERY END OF WESTBORO AND WHERE THE PARK IS.

SO MY HOUSE LOOKS AT THE PARK AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS AT ABOUT LIKE FENCING.

IS THIS AREA GONNA BE FENCED OFF OR IS IT GONNA BE OPEN? IS THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION.

I MEAN, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE LOOK RIGHT OVER THAT, I'M REALLY EXCITED, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR 35 YEARS, , AND SO WE'VE BEEN, EVERY YEAR WE'RE GOING, WHEN ARE THEY GONNA SELL THIS? WHEN ARE THEY GONNA SELL THIS? WE KNOW THIS ALL YOURS.

UM, MY HUSBAND DOES, I DON'T, BUT, AND I KNEW THEY WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING GOOD.

I'M VERY EXCITED NOT TO HAVE A THOUSAND HOUSES IN THAT AREA.

I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT, I'M JUST EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT AND I JUST KNOW THAT I KNOW IT'S HARD CUZ THE FIRST TIME I EVER SPOKE TO A PLANNING COMMISSION I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING.

AND THAT WAS LIKE 30 YEARS AGO WHEN HAWKS LANDING WENT IN AND THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THERE.

SO, UM, I'M REAL CONFIDENT THAT THE, OUR URBAN FORESTERS WILL TAKE GOOD CARE OF THAT AND, AND THAT THE THINGS THAT WILL GO IN.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

THE ONLY THING I WAS WONDERING ABOUT WAS FENCING.

QUESTIONS AND ONE OF THEM I HAVEN'T HEARD ADDRESSED, BUT ON THE COMMERCIAL PART, I'M JUST KIND OF HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU DRIVE AROUND EDMOND, THERE'S ALWAYS UM, A SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS EMPTY.

BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE PARK, IT'S A LITTLE CITY PARK AND I LOVE THAT WALKING TRAIL.

I WALK ON IT ALL THE TIME AND JUST WHAT KIND OF, UM, IS IT GONNA FEEL CLOSED IN AND IS THAT LITTLE PARK GOING TO BE FENCED? SO THOSE ARE JUST MY QUESTIONS, BUT I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

WE'LL TRY TO GET YOU AN ANSWER.

UH, YES MA'AM.

GOOD EVENING.

HI, MY NAME IS KATHY SHUTT AND I LIVE IN THOMAS TRAILS AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF

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YOU KNOW, UM, I'M TERRIBLE AT DIRECTIONS, BUT AT DANFORTH AND KELLY, WHERE THE ACE HARDWARE USED? YES MA'AM.

BEAM, YES MA'AM.

UH, THAT SEEMS EMPTY AND THEN NORTH OF THERE WHERE THE LEMONADE HAMBURGER PLACE USED TO BE.

THAT SEEMS EMPTY.

SO MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, THE RUST COLOR PLACES THAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE COMMERCIAL, UH, HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO BE ACTIVE? SO WHY COULDN'T WE JUST PUT IN TREES THERE AND KEEP THE, THE WILDLIFE AREA? UM, BUT NO ONE ELSE HAS MENTIONED IT, SO MAYBE IT'S ONLY A CONCERN TO ME.

AND I AGREE WITH THE APARTMENTS TO JUST KEEP IT THREE STORY, TWO STORY, YOU KNOW, KEEP THEM SHORTER SO WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH RISE.

I'LL BE BRIEF I PROMISE.

SO, UM, GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS ANTHONY.

I WORK IN, I LIVE IN THOMAS TRAILS.

I'M IN THE SOUTHEASTERN MOST CORNER THERE, UM, WHERE THE TREE LINE IS SUPPOSED TO BE 70 FEET SUPPOSEDLY.

UM, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR US IS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TON OF UNKNOWNS AND THINGS THAT CANNOT YET BE DETERMINED.

I RESPECT THAT I WORK IN COMMERCIAL TITLE, I MAKE MY LIVING OFF OF THIS KIND OF THING.

OBVIOUSLY I'M HAPPY FOR THINGS TO GO IN.

UM, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT NOT BE LINGERING, THINGS THAT CANNOT YET BE DETERMINED.

YOU DID MENTION HOW THEY HAVE TO STICK TO THIS PU SO I THINK THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS US TO WORK ON CODIFYING WHAT WE CAN IN THE WAY OF HOW DEEP THAT EASTERN TREE PRESERVATION WILL BE.

PARTIALLY DUE TO THE QUALITY OF SOME OF THAT FOLIAGE.

I KNOW SOME OF IT MAY HAVE TO BE CLEANED UP, WHICH THINS IT BACK OUT.

UM, BUT ALSO PARTIALLY FOR AIR QUALITY AS THIS IS ALL GRADED, YOU KNOW, UH, AS IT'S ALL DIRT WORK, ALL THAT STUFF'S GONNA CAUSE QUITE A BIT OF DUST FOR WHAT WE'RE SAYING MIGHT BE EIGHT YEARS.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN FOR US THERE TO THE EAST.

UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WINDS WE LOVE TO HAVE AROUND HERE.

THE OTHER THING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO CONSIDER, UH, THE STUB IS A BIG THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE CODIFIED.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY DON'T INTEND TO.

I RESPECT THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT.

IT IS NOT WRITTEN ANYWHERE IN THIS PUD DOCUMENT.

I KNOW THAT IT CAN'T BE A STATUTE NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S INCLUSION ALONG WITH INCLUSION OF PROTECTING 70 FEET OF TREES TO THE EASTERN WALL AS WELL AS THE SOUTHERN BORDER FOR HAWKS LANDING.

JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ADDED JUST SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HOLD TO THAT PORTION OF IT.

UM, THE LAST THING IS ABSORPTION OF HOWEVER MANY CHILDREN IN THIS AREA TO THE ALREADY OVER LABORED JOHN ROSS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE NEIGHBORING MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THE CITY IS OF COURSE GONNA HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT ANYWAY, WHETHER I SAY SOMETHING OR NOT.

UM, BUT HAVING A STUDENT, I HAVE TWO STUDENTS IN JOHN ROSS RIGHT NOW.

UM, I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE LIKE 27 TEACHERS OR 27 STUDENTS TO ONE TEACHER AS IT IS.

AND THIS WILL HAVE TO BE ABSORBED, WHICH IS LIKELY GONNA LEAD TO REDISTRICTING.

JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS YOU MAY HAVE TO ABSORB A HUNDRED TO 200 STUDENTS IN THAT AREA.

UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, UH, THAT'S IT.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I MAKE MY LIVING OFF THIS STUFF.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S THEIR LAND.

THEY'RE WELCOME TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT AND I'M HAPPY FOR THEM ON THAT REGARD.

UM, I THINK THAT 70 FOOT PRESERVATION WOULD SHUT A LOT OF US UP CUZ WE COULDN'T SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON.

UM, AND WE CAN ENJOY SOME OF THOSE BENEFITS WITHOUT, UM, THE DETRIMENTS THAT COME WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU SIR.

ARE THERE OTHERS FIVE C? YES MA'AM.

MY NAME IS MEREDITH LEWIS AND I LIVE AT 4 53 BUTTERFIELD TRAIL.

I'M ALSO AN OWNER IN FOX LAKE, WHICH I KNOW THAT MAKES YOU SMILE.

UM, SO THE, THE, THE GREEN BELT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS IT, AM I INCORRECT THAT IT IS NOW ILLEGAL TO PLANT CEDAR TREES CUZ THEY ARE JUST, THEY LIGHT UP WITH FIRE, CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT, THAT IT'S, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S ON THE BOOKS.

THAT'S WHAT I KNOW.

I HAVEN'T HEARD, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.

OH, OKAY.

MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD.

BUT ALL OF THOSE TREES ARE CEDAR TREES AND SO IF IT'S A FIRE HAZARD AND YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE THEM, I, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T APPRECIATE THE PRIVACY, BUT, UH, I'M CONCERNED FOR FIRE AND THE WELLBEING OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE GREEN BELT AS I DO.

UH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SENIOR LIVING OR EVEN THE DUPLEXES OR SINGLE FAMILY.

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UM, YOU'RE SO PA FOUR, MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THIS.

THERE IS NOT GONNA BE A HOTEL THERE.

I DON'T WELL, WE, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

UH, MA'AM.

UH, THAT'S JUST, THAT IS SO NO, IT'S, NO, BUT THAT'S, SO WON'T FAMILY OWN IT.

BUT YEAH, SO IT'S NOT MA'AM PLEASE TRY MR. HO.

I'M SORRY.

LET'S ALL HE WAS TRYING TO HELP.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND THEN WE CAN SING TOGETHER, BUT LET'S NOT ALL TALK TOGETHER.

SO.

UM, LET'S SEE HERE.

I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE TRAIL.

UH, LIKE I SAID, MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THE TRAIL.

UH, FENCING IS A CONCERN.

UM, I REALLY THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN.

I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT APARTMENTS, BUT WHO IS, UM, AND I RESPECT BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN.

UM, THEY'VE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND UNDERSTANDING TO OUR CONCERNS AND NEEDS, SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR THAT AS WELL.

WELL, YOU'RE VERY KIND.

UP WITH WHAT LITTLE COLORS FIT ON A SQUARE.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

UH, FIVE C FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

MR. MCKINNIS, YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE TIDY ENOUGH TO DO HERE.

I SAW YOU TAKING COPIOUS NOTES.

SO WHISTLE THROUGH THOSE AND TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW.

I'LL DO MY BEST.

I, I THINK I WROTE ALL THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS THAT I COULD RESPOND TO.

UM, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FOR JUST A SECOND CUZ IT CAME UP WITH A COUPLE PEOPLE.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THE ONE THING THAT WE DID SHOW THAT'S DEFINITIVE ON OUR EXHIBITS IS THE SPOTS WHERE THERE'S A COMPLETE CROSSOVER.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONLY SPOTS WE'RE GONNA HAVE FULL ACCESS ON COVELL OR KELLY.

UH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY CUTS IN THE MEDIAN, SO ANYTHING ELSE WILL BE WHAT I THINK MR. LAWRENCE AFFECTIONATE REFERS TO HIS RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.

AND SO, UM, ANY TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE ADDITIONAL POINTS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS BEYOND THE FOUR THAT ARE IN ESSENCE SHOWN ON HERE WOULD HAVE TO BE LIMITED ACCESS.

UH, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE, UH, ISSUES RELATED TO CUTTING ACROSS OR WHATEVER.

THEY'RE ALL LIGHTED I THINK, OR AT LEAST THREE OF THEM ARE.

AND TODD, MOST OF US LINE UP WITH THE ENTRANCE.

I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO LINE 'EM UP WITH THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL AS THE STREET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO I KNOW THEY LINE UP ON THE WEST TO THE ENTRANCES THAT GO TO COVELL VILLAGE AND TO, UH, LOWE'S LIGHTS LIGHTED ON COVELL YET OR NOT.

SO I SAID COVE KELLY WITH RESPECT TO THAT, UM, THE ISSUE THAT CAME UP WITH MR. BILLINGS THAT ABOUT THE USES.

SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO AT THIS STAGE IS TRY TO IDENTIFY BY SPECIFIC LEGAL DESCRIPTION THE AREAS THAT CAN HAVE, WHICH TYPES OF USES.

AND SO AS YOU SEE, PAS ONE AND TWO, AND I THINK THAT'S FIVE OUT THERE, THEY'RE ALL LIMITED TO COMMERCIAL.

THEY CAN'T BE THINGS THAT ARE NOT COMMERCIAL.

SO THAT'S THIS ONE, THIS ONE AND THAT ONE, PA FOUR IS LIMITED, UH, TO MULTI-FAMILY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING IS.

SO IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL, NOT JUST TONIGHT, BUT AT CITY COUNCIL IN A COUPLE WEEKS, THAT CANNOT THEN BE CHANGED WITHOUT ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND COMING BACK AND ASKING YOU TO CHANGE YOUR MIND BECAUSE WE CHANGED OUR MIND.

AND I, I I'VE NEVER DONE THAT WITHOUT AT LEAST ABOUT A SEVEN YEAR GAP.

UH, AND SO I DON'T EXPECT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH RESPECT TO THIS.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE USES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK JUST QUICKLY TO THE MULTI-FAMILY ON THE TWO OR THREE STORY.

UM, THE IDEA ABOUT THE MARKET WHEN IT COMES TO MULTI-FAMILY, TYPICALLY MARKET USERS ARE IN THE TWO 60 TO 315 UNITS.

YOU HARDLY EVER GET A DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO DO ONE DIFFERENT THAN THAT.

SO WE BELIEVE THAT URBAN TYPE DEVELOPMENT FITS WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE AROUND IT.

IF WE WANTED THREE STORY UNITS, WE WOULD ENLARGE THIS AREA TO NOT MAKE IT 14 AND A HALF ACRES BUT MAKE IT CLOSER TO 20 ACRES.

SO IT'S A MATTER OF EFFICIENCY OF LAND AND WE BELIEVE BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY THAT HAPPENS UP IN THIS AREA AND WE, BECAUSE OF THE COMING COMMERCIAL THAT PRODUCT FITS AND WE BELIEVE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EDMOND PLAN 2018.

AND WE ALSO BELIEVE EDMOND, IF THEY'RE NOT TIRED OF MULTI-FAMILY, THEY'RE SURE AS HECK TIRED OF MULTI-FAMILY GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS AND WHICH IS WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET AND WHICH IS IN A LOT OF OTHER PLACES.

SO WE JUST THINK IT'S A BETTER PRODUCT.

IT'S A HIGHER, USUALLY CLIENTELE THAT COMES TO THOSE PRODUCTS.

IT'S A LOT MORE AMENITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE STAYING AT LEAST AT THIS MOMENT, COMMISSIONER WINTER WITH THE FOUR STORY PRODUCT BECAUSE OF THAT COMBINATION OF FACTORS THAT GO TOGETHER.

UM, MR. BILLINGS SAID, AND I, I'M NOT MAKING FUN AT ALL CAUSE I'VE BEEN EXACTLY THERE, BUT WE NEED MORE RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH TOO MANY RESIDENCES CUZ THEY'RE PARKING IN THOMAS TRAILS, GETTING TO JOHN ROSS AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING LIKE THIS SURROUNDED BY US RIGHT NOW.

AND THE REALITY IS WE DON'T.

AND SO WHEN WE PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER, IT WASN'T AS, YOU KNOW, JUST COMING

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THEY WERE BASED ON WHAT WE BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY NEEDS, WHAT WE BELIEVE THE LONG RANGE PLAN IDENTIFIES AND WHAT WE THINK IS MOST, UH, EFFECTIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT.

UH, I'LL SPEAK TO THE STUB ISSUE, UH, THAT UH, I BELIEVE ANTHONY SAID, I DON'T BELIEVE IN MR. LAWRENCE MIGHT CORRECT ME.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY AT THIS MOMENT TO SAY WE WON'T STUB INTO OUR PROJECT BECAUSE THE CITY OF EDMOND DEMANDS THAT WE DO IT FULL STOP.

IF WE COME TO PLATTING AND WE SHOW THAT STUB CLOSED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS IT AND YOU APPROVE IT, THEN WE'LL WE'RE HAPPY FOR THAT NOT TO CONNECT.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY, NOR I THINK, DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE A P U D AND CODIFY THE IDEA THAT THERE'S NOT A STUB INTO IT? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THAT.

AND, AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY RIGHT NOW.

AND SO I CAN GIVE YOU MY WORD THAT WHEN WE COME FOR PLATTING, WE'RE MOST LIKELY GONNA TELL THE CITY.

WE DO NOT, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING THAT SECONDARY ACCESS.

BUT YEARS AGO WHEN SHORT GRASS WAS PUT IN AND COVA VILLAGE TRIBE WAS PUT IN AND ANOTHER ACCESS UP HERE AND ANOTHER ONE UP HERE, THE IDEA WAS TO GET TRAFFIC OFF THIS MAIN INTERSECTIONS AND HAVE SECONDARY TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS.

THAT'S WHY THAT'S THERE.

AND SO THE CITY HAS POLICIES ABOUT THAT AND SO WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IT AND TELL YOU, TELL US WE DON'T, AND I'M SORRY I WISH I HAD A MAGIC SOLUTION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING A BOX A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

UM, MRS. MOORE MENTIONED, AND I BELIEVE SHE LIVES DOWN IN THIS AREA AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT YOU, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS WHERE YOU AND OVER HERE.

AND I BELIEVE HER HUSBAND'S NAME, GREG, UH, I THINK, AND I EMAILED HIM TODAY, UH, OUR, SO WHEN IT COMES TO ADJACENT USES, THERE'S NO SENSITIVE BORDER IF THEY'RE THE SAME.

SO SINGLE FAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY PUT FENCE DEFENSE, WE SEE THAT AROUND TOWN AND TWO FAMILY UNITS TO SINGLE FAMILY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH AT ALL EITHER, IF ANY.

AND SO OUR DESIRE IS TO BE SENSITIVE THOUGH TO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND THAT'S WHY, AND FOR THE REASONS I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT FOLIAGE, WE IDENTIFIED A BUFFER DOWN HERE OF 70 FEET AND OVER HERE ARE 50 FEET.

AND THEN THE QUESTION IS, WELL WHY NOT 70 ALL THE WAY AROUND.

AND I GUESS THE ANSWER IS IF IT'S 71 90 AND I'M NOT MAKING FUN OF THE IDEA, BUT IF YOU BROUGHT BACK THE AERIAL PHOTO, UH, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A WALKING TRAIL OVER HERE THAT CREATES AN ARTIFICIAL BUFFER ALREADY.

AND THEN UH, WE HAVE 50 FEET AND THEN YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE RIGHT ON THAT BUFFER.

SO YOUR DISTANCE FROM THE BACK FENCES OF THESE HOUSES TO A STRUCTURE ON THIS SIDE OF THE LINE IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE 90 TO A HUNDRED FOOT RANGE.

SO THE NUMBERS ARE ARBITRARY UNTIL YOU START PUTTING DOLLARS TO 'EM AND THEN IT GETS EXPENSIVE OR AT LEAST IT COSTS SOMETHING.

SO THE IDEA THAT WE HAD WAS BY ANY SETBACK STANDARD, ALMOST BY ANY USE THAT'S ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY, 50 FEET OR 70 FEET AS FAR IN EXCESS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED.

AND SO WE IDENTIFIED THAT IN CONCERT.

AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY RELATED TO FOLIAGE IS THE URBAN FORESTRY, WHETHER THEY'RE RED SEEDERS OR NOT, THEY'RE GONNA TELL US ABOUT OUR TREE PRESERVATION AREA AND IF IT'S COMPLIANT AND HOW WE WORK ON THAT TOGETHER, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT'S PART OF IT.

AND FOR IT TO BE PRESERVATION, IT REQUIRES OUR LACK OF ATTENTION TO IT WITH ANY DEVELOPMENTAL ACTIVITY.

WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO, WE'RE IN THERE, DO ANYTHING.

AND SO IF THERE'S A RED SEAT OR FIRE PROBLEM TODAY, UH, WE'RE NOT ADDING TO IT.

MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE MOST LIKELY WE'RE GONNA BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

SO ON PAGE 33 OF YOUR P U D, I HOPE MY P D'S NOT 33 LONG PAID PACKET LONG.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT, I'M SORRY, PAGE 3 33 OF OUR PACKET.

PAGE THREE, NO, YOUR PACKET.

UH, ITEM E.

YEP.

SENSITIVE BORDER STANDARDS.

, YOU GOT 70 FEET AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA ADD IN THE 50 FEET.

WHAT WE DID IS, UH, OUR, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL PUT LANGUAGE THAT SAYS IT'S 50 FEET ALONG THIS WET EAST SIDE.

AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, COMMISSIONER MOORE ABOUT OUR LANGUAGE C BORDER IS A TERM OF ART IN OUR CODE AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DOUBLE UP ON IT.

SO I THINK MY LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE INARTFUL THERE CUZ IT SAYS OPEN SPACE AND PRESERVATION AREA, BUT ALSO SAYS C BORDER.

SO WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, WHAT I'M COMMITTED TO IS A 70 FOOT PRESERVATION AREA ON THE SOUTH AND A 50 FOOT PRESERVATION AREA ON THE EAST.

MUHALLEN ASK, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE PARK AND SO, AND THEN I WANNA TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS.

AND THAT WILL BE COUNTED TOWARDS OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS.

SO YOU'LL TIDY THAT UP.

THAT'S I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING THAT I'LL TURN IN TOMORROW.

I WAS WAITING TO SEE IF I HAD ANY OTHER THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT TO ADD TO THAT.

SO, UH, LET ME JUST CONTINUE TO FLIP THROUGH MY LIST HERE REAL QUICK.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT JUDGE.

NO, NO.

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TREES MAY GET ME TO QUIT TALKING, WHICH IS A GOOD IDEA FOR ALL OF US.

SO, UH, YOU WANNA GO BACK TO TREES ? UH, WE CAN, IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, MRS.

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THE PARK AND THEN THIS AREA UP HERE.

THIS IS I THINK A TANK BATTERY THAT EXISTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.

AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED A DETENTION FACILITY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.

UH, SO THAT'S, IF THERE'S ANY CONFUSION ABOUT THAT, THE OIL AND GAS ACTIVITY'S NOT ON OUR PROPERTY, IT'S UP HERE.

AND SO I THINK, I HOPE YOU'LL SEE IF I CAN GO BACK TO THE COLOR, UH, EXHIBIT CHRISTIE, WE TRIED TO IDENTIFY USES THAT ARE NOT CONSIS, NOT ADJACENT TO NONS, SIMILAR USES.

SO WE DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING COMMERCIAL RIGHT HERE.

EVEN IF IT HAS GREAT TREES, WE COULD HAVE SAID WE WANT THAT TO BE COMMERCIAL OR E ONE OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT DOESN'T FIT.

BUT WE HAVE THE, A LACK OF ACTIVITY HERE AND WE HAVE THIS PRESERVATION OR SETBACK HERE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE GO FROM UH, MORE DENSE TO A LESS DENSE USE AS WE GO FROM SECTION LINE ROADS TO SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT I THINK CLAY IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD AT AND HIS TEAM IN LAYING OUT THE PLAN, NOT JUST ARBITRARILY, BUT SO THAT IT FITS EVEN IF SOMEONE MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT FITS MEANS WITH THE TYPE OF EVENTUAL USE THAT'S THERE.

AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO COMMON AREAS, NOT JUST OUR COMMON AREAS CUZ WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'LL ALL BE YET, BUT CITY AMENITIES, MS. MULHALL MENTIONED A PARK AND THEN THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT FENCING.

WELL I WOULD IMAGINE SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE THE SAME DESIRE TO ACCESS THAT JUST LIKE SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE PLEASED WITH THEIR QUALITY OF HOUSE AND MAYBE YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE'S.

SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP OUR PROJECT TO MAXIMIZE VALUE AND MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE TO OUR FUTURE RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

CUZ IT DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD TO BUILD A BUNCH OF JUNK CUZ WE'VE GOTTA FINISH THIS THING OUT.

RIGHT? AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO HOW WE FENCE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A GREAT COMMENT ON THIS, BUT MR. BILLINGS, I CANNOT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TOOK PLACE IN THE CITY OF EDMOND THAT HAD FOUR FOOT CHAIN LOOKED FENCING ALLOWED.

RIGHT? I JUST, I JUST CAN'T, NOT THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT THAT.

AND I'M NOT MAKING LIGHT OF IT.

UH, THERE'S JUST, JUST CERTAIN THINGS AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, TODD SAID IT SO I GUESS I CAN SLEEP EASY AT NIGHT.

I'M, I JUST KNOW THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS TOGETHER.

MARKET CONDITIONS, THE REALITY OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME TO EDMOND AND BUY A NICE HOUSE, LOTS OF EYES AND LIVE, UH, WITH A CHAIN LINK FENCE IN THE BACKYARD.

THEY JUST DON'T, DON'T WANT THAT.

AND SO THAT'S RIGHT.

UH, SO I CAN CAN REPRESENT THAT AS WE SIT HERE.

UH, MS. MELTZER TALKED ABOUT OREGON TRAIL CUTTING IN THE LOT SIZES.

SIMPLE ANSWERS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE DID COFFEE CREEK COFFEE CREEK'S A WHOLE SQUARE MILE.

THIS IS A QUARTER MILE, BASICALLY, UH, WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE PRODUCTS, WE'D HAVE A STATE LOTS ON THE GOLF COURSE CUZ WE THOUGHT THERE WAS GONNA BE A GOLF COURSE FOREVER AND WE WOULD HAVE SMALLER LOTS.

AND THEN MULTI-FAMILY HERE, IT'S A VERY SIMILAR PRODUCT MIX.

WE'LL HAVE SOME USERS THAT, BECAUSE THE MARKET DEMANDS A 75 FOOT LOT AND SOME THAT'LL BE A MUCH SMALLER LOT, HOW THAT PLAYS OUT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND ECONOMICS.

AND, BUT WE DO KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.

IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT IN HERE.

WE KNOW THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE UNLESS WE COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT IT, WHICH I ALREADY SAID ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

SO, UH, I MRS. CHU'S CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL, UH, I HEARD HER SAY SHE'D PREFER THE APARTMENTS ONLY BE TWO OR THREE STORY, IF AT ALL.

UH, WHEN IT COMES TO VACANCY AND OTHER APARTMENT PROJECTS AROUND TOWN, THE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT LOWE'S WAS SO SLOW COMING OUT HERE IS BECAUSE THERE WERE NOT A ENOUGH ROOFTOPS.

SO NOW THERE'S ENOUGH ROOFTOPS, THEN THE RESTAURANTS WERE SLOW BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH PEOPLE WORKING OUT THERE THAT WOULD DRIVE THEIR LUNCH TRAFFIC TO THOSE RESTAURANTS.

WELL NOW THERE'S PEOPLE WORKING AT DENTIST OFFICES AND, AND NOW THEY EAT LUNCH AT THE GARAGE AND CUDO AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.

AND SO ALL OF THAT DRIVES THE COMMERCIAL RES, UH, RETAIL FOLLOWS ROOFTOPS.

THAT'S THE PHRASE.

AND SO IF THERE'S VACANCY AT SANTA FE AND DANFORTH, I, IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NOT A QUALITY PROJECT THAT GOES RIGHT HERE BECAUSE OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE ROOFTOPS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY COMMERCIAL WE BELIEVE MAKES SENSE HERE.

AND WHAT I SAID TO THE UNITED COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS, THE CITY WANTS US TO SHOW AS MUCH AS WE CAN AS EARLY AS WE CAN.

IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE JUST TRIED TO COME IN AND ZONE 10 ACRES AT A TIME, BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP ANY OF US.

AND SO WHEN WE PUT OUR CRYSTAL BALL OUT HERE, WE BELIEVE THAT COMMERCIAL FITS AND WE KNOW IT FITS BASED ON THE HISTORY ACROSS THE STREET TO THE EAST WEST AND ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTH.

AND THAT'S WHAT OUR RETAIL PARTNERS TELL US.

SO, UH, ANTHONY SAID, STICK TO THE P U D AND WE'RE CERTAINLY COMMITTED TO THAT.

THE EAST BOUNDARY BUFFER I MENTIONED WE'RE AT 50 FEET ON THAT, THE STUB, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

UH, THE EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, MR. MOORE WILL TELL US THAT'S NOT THE BUSINESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THAT'S NOT THE BUSINESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DEAL WITH THAT .

SO, UH, BUT I DO KNOW THIS, THEY DON'T OPERATE IN A VACUUM.

NO.

ZONED PER WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

AND SO, UH, THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND SO, AND I THINK EMERITUS MENTIONED THE PA FOUR BEING A HOTEL AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST, UH, BUT THAT WILL NOT BE COMMERCIAL AS LONG AS IT'S

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IT WILL BE RESIDENTIAL AND IT'LL BE SPECIFICALLY MULTI-FAMILY WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE.

SO I THINK I HIT MY NOTES ANYWAY.

IF I MISSED ANYBODY, I APOLOGIZE.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO BE CORRECTED.

I THINK THE ONE THING I HEARD WAS THE WALKING TRAILS.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S WALKING TRAILS ALONG BOTH SIDES OF THAT BORDER.

I KNOW YOU GOT THE SENSITIVE BORDER.

WE TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT, I THINK MISS MELFORD, DO YOU BRING EXACTLY, I THINK IT'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE MENTIONED THAT.

I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY SENSITIVE THOUGH.

DO YOU LIVE BY THE ROCKING TRAIL? YES.

WELL SHE HAS PROPERTY YEAH.

BY THE WALKING TRAIL.

SO YEAH.

SO MY COMMENT IS, IS, I WAS GONNA SAY IT ANYWAY, IS, YOU KNOW, AS MIKE GOES BACK TO MY CONNECTIVITY PIECE, AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S A KEY PIECE TO ME AS WELL.

MAYBE MR. LAWRENCE CAN TELL US, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PRIVATE WALKING TRAIL THAT THOMAS TRAIL ZONES OR IF IT'S DEDICATED TO THE CITY OF EDMOND AS PART OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM.

I, I DON'T KNOW, QUESTION.

AND THAT DICTATES OUR BEDS TRAIL SYSTEM IS PART.

SO OUR ABILITY TO TAP INTO THAT IS ATTRACTIVE IF THAT'S WHAT OUR DEVELOPER AND OUR RESIDENTS WANT TO DO BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC ACCESS, RIGHT? A PUBLIC ASSET.

UH, OTHER COMMISSION COMMENTS.

UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE KNOW EXACTLY IF THAT'LL BE, AND THAT WAS MY COMMENT EARLIER TOO.

I WANT THAT'S, THAT WAS PART OF THAT THING.

SAME THING.

AND I WAS THINKING MORE, I'LL ASK YOU EVERY TIME, CLIFF, I WAS THINKING MORE UP IN OUR DEVELOPMENT, NOT NECESSARILY ON THAT PIECE THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH.

GOTCHA.

I THINK BOTH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION.

I THINK THAT TIDY UP THE NOTES THAT I MADE AND, UH, I THINK THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS IS, THERE'S SOMETHING I DIDN'T ADDRESS.

OH, HE'S NOT GONNA LET YOU TALK.

YOU TELL ME.

GOD, FIVE SENTENCE .

SO WHERE THE, WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? STUB IS OUR, UH, COMMUNITY, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYGROUND IS RIGHT THERE.

SO THAT IS ALSO A CONCERN OF SAFETY.

OKAY, THAT, UH, TIS UP THE, FROM THE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, MR. LAWRENCE, DON'T FORGET TO HAVE A CHAT WITH MS. MOORE IN THE BACK.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS ALL MEETINGS.

SO THANK YOU CLAY AND TODD, MEETING WITH ALL THE OWNERS AND UM, SO THIS IS A SITE THAT'S BEEN WELL REVERED FOR A LONG TIME, SO I'M EXCITED SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN.

SO.

WELL I TOO AM GLAD THAT YOU HAD ALL THE DISCUSSIONS YOU HAD AND WE HAD A HEALTHY DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

I THINK I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER, IF THIS PROJECT VERSUS A THOUSAND HOMES, YOU TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, THAT'S TRAFFIC, UH, IN AND OUT OF THERE, 3.4 0.5 TIMES A DAY, TWO CARS.

I MEAN, UH, SO THAT'S POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.

I KNOW THAT THIS IS A LONG TERM PROJECT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT AND THERE'S A LONG WAY TO GO ON WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT I THINK YOU HEARD COMMITMENTS TONIGHT ON THE TREES AND THE SAFETY AND THE, UH, THERE'S STILL THAT THING HANGING OUT ABOUT A FOUR STORY.

AND TODD PLED HIS CASE ABOUT FOUR STORY VERSUS THREE STORY, AND THAT'S NOT THE END OF THAT DEBATE.

SO WE'VE GOT A WAYS TO GO ON THIS, BUT TONIGHT IT IS A ZONING ISSUE, BUT I THINK IT'S ALWAYS HEALTHY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THINGS AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID TONIGHT.

SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEM FIVE C? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

THERE'S A SECOND.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED.

[D. Ordinance amending Title 22 by adding new Section 22.6.6 Route 66 Corridor District Supplemental Site Design Standards to protect and enhance Route 66 east of I-35. (Ward 2)]

FIVE.

FIVE.

D UH, IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 22 BY ADDING NEW SECTION 22.

DO SIX SIX ROUTE 67 QUARTER DISTRICT SUPPLEMENTAL SITE DESIGN STANDARDS TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE ROUTE 66 EAST OF I 35.

MR. MPS FIVE D PLEASE.

UH, AS THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN WAS COMPLETED, UH, THERE WAS A DESIRE EXPRESSED TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE ROUTE 66 CORRIDOR IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY.

UM, THERE IS A CODE UPDATE UNDERWAY THAT WILL INCLUDE LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE ARE SEEING SOME DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE ON THAT ALONG THAT ROADWAY AND CITY COUNCIL ASKED TO, UH, FOR A STOP GAP MEASURE UNTIL THE UPDATE IS DONE.

UH, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO ADD THE SECTION DESCRIBED IN TITLE 22 THAT CREATES A ROUTE 66 CORRIDOR THAT EXTENDS ESSENTIALLY FROM I 35 TO THE TOWN OF ARCADIA.

UH, THE OVERLAY EXTENDS THE INCREASED LANDSCAPING AND BUILDING MATERIAL STANDARDS THAT ARE PART OF THE I 35 CORRIDOR TO AN AREA THAT IS 600 FEET EITHER SIDE OF THE CENTER LINE FOR ROUTE 66.

AND THAT'S THE AREA BASICALLY SHOWN IN YELLOW THERE

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ON THE SCREEN.

UH, I DID GET SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AND I'LL, I'LL TOUCH ON 'EM REAL BRIEFLY.

UH, ONE OF 'EM WAS ASKED WHY WE DIDN'T EXTEND IT PAST, UH, THE, THE TOWN OF ARCADIA ALL THE WAY TO THE CITY LIMITS.

UH, MOST OF THAT AREA IS, UH, IN FLOODPLAIN, SO CAN'T BE DEVELOPED.

SO IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY IN THAT AREA.

UM, ASKED ABOUT IF THE I 35 CORRIDOR STANDARDS, UH, ARE STRONGER THAN THE LATE DISTRICT ZONING.

THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF STRONGER, UH, IS NECESSARILY THE TERM, BUT WHAT THEY DO IS INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING AND REQUIRE HIGHER BUILDING, HIGHER QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS, LIMITING THINGS LIKE ETHOS AND THAT REQUIRING MORE BRICK AND MATERIALS LIKE THAT.

UH, THE LAKE DISTRICT REQUIRES MORE OPEN SPACE.

THE REASON IT WAS DONE THAT WAY IS BECAUSE WHEN THAT DISTRICT WAS CREATED, THERE WAS NO SEWER SERVICE OR WATER SERVICE IN THAT AREA.

SO OPEN SPACE WAS NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, PRIVATE SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE.

THOSE HAVE BOTH BEEN EXTENDED ALONG THE CORRIDOR FOR THE MOST PART.

UM, WOULD PREVIOUSLY APPROVE PROJECTS IN THERE, UH, BE SUBJECT TO THESE STANDARDS IF THEY HAVE AN, UH, ACTIVE APPLICATION WITH THE CITY? UH, NO.

THAT WOULD NOT APPLY.

THEY HAVE THEM IN UNDER THE CURRENT STANDARDS.

SO, UH, ANY NEW APPLICATION WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO THIS.

UH, HOW'D WE COME UP WITH 600 FEET? UH, IT WAS REALLY AN ATTEMPT TO CAPTURE AS MANY OF THE PARCELS THAT FACED THE, IN AS MUCH AS WE COULD, THEIR ENTIRETY THAT FACE ROUTE 66 AND NOT GET TOO FAR, UH, AFIELD WITH THAT.

UH, ARE THERE ANY, UH, THINGS FROM, FOR WATER RESTORATION OR PROTECTION THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE ORDINANCE? UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY, OR I HOPE YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS GOING THROUGH A, A LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, UM, STUDY RIGHT NOW, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL RESULT IN SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE COULD THEN TIE TO AN ORDINANCE AND APPLY TO THIS OVERLAY.

SO IT WILL HELP IN THE FUTURE, I THINK, APPLY THAT.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS WE GOT FROM THE PUBLIC.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? HOW MUCH, UH, INPUT DID WE GET FROM, UH, RESIDENTS AND WORK GROUPS AND CONSULTANTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO WHAT WE DID WAS, UH, WE RELIED ON THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE GOT DURING THE EAST EDMOND OKAY.

2050 PROCESS, WHICH GAVE US PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION, UH, PROTECTING THE RURAL AREAS, UH, THE TREES OUT THERE AND, UH, MAINTAINING HIGHWAY 66 AS AN ASSET.

SO FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, PUBLIC COMMENT, FIVE D PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY OTHERS? DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ? I KNOW IT'S LATE.

UM, NO, I'LL BE BRIEF.

AND, UH, THANK YOU RANDY FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

AND UH, I WAS ON THE EAST EDMOND, OH, I'M RICK REICH FROM MOUNTAIN VIEW PARK.

UM, ILL PARTICIPATE, PARTICIPATED ON THE EAST EDMOND STUDY AND SO DID MARK NASH.

HE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

UM, SO WE FEEL WE REPRESENT THAT, THAT THAT THAT GROUP.

AND THE MAIN THING THAT I WANNA SEE HERE IS I DON'T BELIEVE THE WHOLE AREA IS A, A SEWARD, I THINK OUT BY DOUGLAS, JUST THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND.

THERE'S AN AREA THERE TO THE WEST THAT'S KIND OF, IT'S IT'S TRAPPED BECAUSE THERE'S A RIDGE THAT GOES FROM LIKE I 35 BETWEEN DANFORTH AND ON SECOND, KIND OF DOWN TO MIDWEST BULL DIPS DOWN TO MIDWEST BOULEVARD AND THEN IT, THEN IT GOES BACK OUT.

SO I THINK DOUGLASS, WHERE THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS, COULD BE WATERED AND SEWERED, BUT THERE'S A VERY SMALL AREA RIGHT THERE WHERE I BELIEVE YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD A LIFT STATION AND IT'S A VERY SMALL AREA THAT COULD SUPPORT MAYBE THREE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.

ARE YOU REFERRING TO THIS AREA IN HERE THAT YEAH.

GOT OUT THERE WITH THOSE BOAT HOUSES, UM, WHICH AS, UH, MR. CHAPMAN SAID, IS THAT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR ROUTE 66 PROPERTY IN, UH, NO, IT PROBABLY ISN'T.

SO IT'S REALLY THE IDEA THAT THERE'S GONNA BE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE.

MR. MCKEN DIDN'T STICK AROUND TO SAY WHAT I, WHAT I WHAT I'VE SAID FOR QUITE A WHILE IS RETAIL FOLLOWS HOUSETOPS.

THERE'S NO HOUSETOPS IN THE LAKE.

IT'S A CAMPGROUND AND THERE'S, NOBODY'S GONNA PUT A CVS THERE, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE A SOUVENIR SHOP, A GAS STATION'S PROBABLY OUT OF THE QUESTION WITH THE WATER DISTRICT.

SO I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE GET THAT OUTLINE NOW AND NOT JUST HAVE SOME OPEN ZONING.

WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS TO LOOK AT A STUDY OF WHICH, WHICH, UH, WHICH GUIDELINES EITHER THE I 35 OR THE, UH, THE EXISTING LAKE STANDARDS WOULD BE MORE PRO PROTECTIVE OF THAT AREA JUST IN, IN THE SPIRIT OF DEVELOPING THE, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT MARK NASH HAS TALKED ABOUT EXTENSIVELY WITH, WITH YOU AND WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR MAIN THING.

UH, I I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU DID, YOU ARE TAKING THE STOP GAP MEASURE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE KIND OF GOT OUT OF THE, ONE

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AND WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF BARNS ON 66 HOUSING BOATS.

AND AN IDEA FOR THAT WOULD BE JUST WHY DON'T PUT 'EM IN LAKE ARCADIA BY THE, BY THE, UH, POLICE TOWER AND THEN HAVE THE CITY COLLECT THE REVENUE INSTEAD OF HAVING A PRIVATE GUY DO IT.

UM, IF YOU COULD FENCE HIM OFF.

ANYWAY, UM, THAT WAS IT.

I THINK MR. INS HAS A RESPONSE TO ONE OF YOUR YEAH, JUST ONE, ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION AND I, I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS, THIS IS AN OVERLAY, SO THIS DOESN'T CHANGE ANY ZONING THAT EXISTS ALONG THAT RIGHT.

THAT HIGHWAY TODAY.

SO WHAT IT DOES IS INCREASE THE STANDARDS TO, IF IT WERE TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE TO WHICH THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT.

SO THE ZONING THAT'S THERE IS IS STILL ZONING THAT EXISTS TODAY? YEAH, WE, WE JUST WANT THE, THE STOP GAP MEASURE TO NOT BE A PERMANENT SOLUTION BECAUSE, UM, WE, WE DO HAVE THE VISION OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE MADE A CASE FOR.

THAT WAS ALL I HAD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND BY THE WAY, YOUR SH YOUR SHIRT'S A LOT YELLOWER ON THE SCREEN THAN .

HATE IT.

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UH, THANK YOU.

UH, FURTHER COMMENT FIVE, PUBLIC COMMENT.

FIVE D OKAY.

SCENE.

NONE.

ARE THERE COMMISSION, UH, MS. SAWYER, DO WE NEED A VOTE ON THIS? I THINK WE DO.

, ARE THERE COMMISSION COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND ITEM? FIVE D I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND, THAT ITEM IS APPROVED THREE TO ZERO AND IT'LL BE FOUR 10 AT THE COUNCIL.

UH, THANK YOU MS. MCCONE, MR. LAWRENCE, FOR YOUR HELP TONIGHT.

AND, UH, EVERYONE'S PATIENCE.