[1. Call to Order:]
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MS. SAWYER, A QUORUM IS PRESENT.
SO WE WILL CONVENE THE APRIL 18TH, 2023 EDMOND PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
[2. Approval of Minutes: April 4, 2023]
THE SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 4TH, 2023.YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.
ARE THERE ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN? MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
UH, MR. LAWRENCE, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW POSITION AS CITY ENGINEER.
UH, I KNOW YOU'LL DO GREAT THINGS, AND, UH, CONGRATS ARE AN ORDER.
UH, THIS IS MY FINAL MEETING AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE AND, UH, I'LL ASSUME A DIFFERENT ROLE HERE IN A FEW DAYS.
UH, SO I WON'T BE PARTICIPATING IN TONIGHT'S MEETING.
BUT BEFORE I LEAVE, I WANT TO THANK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, PAST AND PRESENT.
UH, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH EACH OF YOU.
AND I WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING STAFF, RANDY ENTS, CHRISTIE MCCONE, JAN RAMSEY, YOUR FEES.
I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR ASSISTANT, THE CITY ATTORNEY MADELINE SAWYER, OUR CITY ATTORNEY STEVE MURDOCH ARE VIDEO PEOPLE THAT YOU NEVER SEE RAN A BILL AND DWIGHT TOLSON IN THE BACK.
UH, IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'VE WON SOME AND LOST SOME, UH, SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR VOTING AGAINST RANDALL MORE THAN ONCE.
UH, SO, UH, THESE ARE FINE PEOPLE THAT SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, THEY'RE WONDERFUL PUBLIC SERVANTS, AND, UH, I WISH THEM THE VERY BEST.
[3. Election of a Chair and Vice Chair for Planning Commission.]
THREE ON OUR AGENDA IS ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A, UH, SUGGESTION.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE, UH, MARK HUS AS CHAIRMAN AND KENNETH WALL AS VICE CHAIRMAN FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MR. HOS IS CHAIR AND MR. WALL AS VICE CHAIR.
THAT ITEM IS APPROVED THREE TO ZERO.
UH, THE, THE NEW CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MR. HUS, AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN IS MR. WALL.
REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU LEAVE, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, BARRY SAT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR 18 YEARS, UH, AND DOING A LITTLE MATH.
THAT MEANS HE'S BEEN HERE FOR 400 PLUS MEETINGS.
HE'S REVIEWED 655 PLATS, 650 SITE PLANS, 734 ZONING REQUEST.
650 SITE PLANS, IF I DIDN'T SAY THAT ONE.
TWO MAJOR PLAN UPDATES AND THEN SEVERAL OTHER PLANNING EFFORTS.
AND, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BARRY.
OH, NO, I'LL SIT HERE ONE MORE TIME.
I MAKE A HARDER TARGET OVER HERE,
THAT BRINGS US, UH, TO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT DOCKET.
AND WE HAVE NO ITEMS ON THAT, ON THE CONTINUANCE DOCKET.
ITEM FIVE, WE HAVE NO ITEMS ON THAT AND PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION DOCKET, UH,
[A. Case #SP22-00048 Public Hearing and Consideration of a Site Plan application for The Uncommon Ground Sculpture Park located on the north side of East 2nd Street, west of Coltrane Road. (The Park Conservancy Trust) (Ward 2)]
WE HAVE THREE COMPANION ITEMS, UH, CASE NUMBER S P 22 DASH 48 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN FOR THE UNCOMMON GROUND SCULPTURE PARK, CASE[B. Case #PR22-00040 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Preliminary Plat for The Uncommon Ground Sculpture Park, located on the north side of East 2nd Street, west of Coltrane Road. (The Park Conservancy Trust) (Ward 2)]
NUMBER PR 22 DASH 0 0 40 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE UNCOMMON GROUND SCULPTURE PARK AND[C. Case #PR22-00041 Consideration of the Final Plat for The Uncommon Ground Sculpture Park, located on the north side of East 2nd Street, west of Coltrane Road. (The Park Conservancy Trust) (Ward 2)]
CASE NUMBER PR 20 2041, CONSIDERATION OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR THE UNCOMMON GROUND SCULPTURE PARK.AND I ASSUME THE APPLICANT HAS NO PROBLEM WITH US HEARING THOSE THREE ITEMS TOGETHER.
AND BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY PRESENTED, I WILL TELL YOU, UH, YOU, YOU HAD ASKED TO, UH, REVIEW SOME THINGS WITH ME TODAY.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I TOLD YOU THAT I HAD NOT RECEIVED MUCH FEEDBACK AT ALL IN REFERENCE TO OPPOSITION OR REQUESTS FOR CONTINUANCE OR ANYTHING IN REGARD TO THAT.
UH, AFTER I WENT BACK AND CHECKED MY EMAIL AFTER LUNCH AND MEETING WITH YOU, I FOUND THAT NOT TO BE AS TRUE AS IT WAS AT THE MOMENT I STATED IT.
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HAVE, AND I BELIEVE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE RECEIVED REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT POTENTIALLY CONSIDER CONTINUING THIS FOR A PERIOD OF TWO WEEKS.IS THAT SOMETHING THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO PROCEED? PLEASE PREFER TO PROCEED.
CAUSE I THINK THE ISSUE I'VE GOT LETTER, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS TONIGHT.
AS YOU KNOW, RANDALL SHADED, IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK.
I'M SORRY BARRY LEFT CUZ HE, HE VOTED AGAINST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT I EVER BOUGHT IT.
UH, ONTO THE REAL TOPIC, WE, UH, CAN ADDRESS, I THINK MOST OF THOSE THINGS THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE ANY VARIANCES.
SO I REALLY DON'T SEE ANY PURPOSE IN CONTINUING THIS MEETING, WHICH WOULD PUT US THEN AT THE END OF MAY, 1ST OF JUNE ON THE COUNCIL.
AND AS YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY, THE CLOCK ON CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS IS TICKING.
UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
WE'RE, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE EVERYONE TIME TO REVIEW, UH, WHICH THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT TIME.
BUT I'D GIVE 'EM TIME TO REVIEW BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH US IF NEED BE.
WELL, BASED UPON THAT, MR. HENCE, IF YOU WOULD PRESENT THE ITEMS PLEASE.
UH, AS YOU SAID, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR AN ART AND SCULPTURE PARK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SECOND STREET, WEST OF COLTRANE.
UH, PARK COVERS ALMOST 63 ACRES AND IT HAS A VARIETY OF ZONING DISTRICTS OVER THE SITE, INCLUDING A SINGLE FAMILY, C2, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND D TWO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
ALL OF THESE DISTRICTS ALLOW PARK USE BY WRIGHT.
UH, THE PLANS INCLUDE A VARIETY OF PARK USES, INCLUDING PLAYGROUNDS, WATER PLAY AREAS, THE DOG PARK, AN ADVENTURE COURSE, SPORTS COURTS, AND EVENT SPACE.
AND THERE ARE FIVE STRUCTURES PLANNED.
THERE'S THE GLASS HOUSE EVENT CENTER, WHICH IS, UH, WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSE IS.
IF I CAN DO THIS LEFT-HANDED, ROUGHLY IN THAT SPACE.
UH,
IT'S ON THE NORTH EDGE OF THE EVENT LAW LAWN.
THE TALL GRASS STAGE, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE EVENT LAWN CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF SECOND AND COLTRANE, THE HORSESHOE PAVILION, WHICH IS AN EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE WEST END.
AND THEN THE LAWN PAVILION, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE WEST EDGE.
UH, THE PARK INCLUDES OTHER SMALL PAVILIONS AND AMENITIES THROUGHOUT, UH, INCLUDING THE BURON NEST VIEWING TOWER, WHICH IS CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PARK.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED.
UH, THERE IS A VARIANCE TO PROVIDING DETENTION, UH, THAT WILL HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE STORMWATER ADVISORY BOARD FOR THEM TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
BUT IT IS NOTED IN YOUR REPORT, UH, THERE IS A VARIANCE TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY.
THERE IS A VARIANCE TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A ROAD WIDENING ON COAL TRAIN ROAD ROAD AND EAST SECOND STREET, A VARIANCE TO ELIMINATE THE RIGHT OF WAY REQUIREMENTS, UH, A VARIANCE FOR THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY SPACING.
IT DOESN'T MEET THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS FROM THE INTERSECTION AND A VARIANCE FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE BIRDS AND NEST TOWER.
UH, THE TOWER IS 62 FEET AND 35 FEET IS WHAT IS ALLOWED PER ZONING.
AS YOU SAID, THEY'RE ASSOCIATED APPLICATIONS ALSO MADE FOR THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT.
TRACK ONE IS 9.32 ACRES ON THE NORTH, KIND OF BY THE HOUSE.
IT'S THE SQUARE AROUND THE, YEAH, AS SHE'S SHOWING YOU, UH, TRACK TWO IS 44.53 ACRES, AND THEN TRACK THREE IS ALONG COAL TRAIN AND IS DESIGNATED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, DO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SEEING NONE, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE REPORT? UH, YES.
RANDY SHADED 35 WEST MAIN, EDMOND HERE FOR PROBABLY THE LAST TIME, BUT NEVER SAY NEVER.
UH, I'M GOING TO, UH, GIVE YOU JUST A BRIEF HISTORY AND THEN I'M GONNA GIVE, I, I DON'T THINK I'VE SHOWN ANY OF YOU A REAL OVERVIEW OF THE PARK AND WHAT REALLY IS GONNA BE THERE.
UH, SO I'M GONNA DO THAT PART.
AND THEN I'VE GOT, UH, CALEB MORGAN AND MATT
THEY'LL DISCUSS THE ENGINEERING, THEY'LL DISCUSS THE VARIANCES, UH, AND THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED IN WICK'S, UH, HOAS LETTER.
UH, AND I'LL START, UH, WITH THIS, I HOPE.
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YEAH, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.I DON'T, SOME OF THESE, I DON'T NEED THE NEXT ONE.
THAT ONE, IF YOU'LL STOP THERE.
THIS SHORT HISTORY IS, UH, ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO, MR. FRENCH, WITH THE FRENCH FAMILY CHARITABLE FOUNDATION CAME TO ME, UH, CUZ WE'RE BOTH ART LOVERS AND WE WERE COMMISERATING.
AND HE SAYS, RANDALL, I'M GONNA BUY SOME REAL ESTATE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
I'M GONNA BUILD A SCULPTURE PARK.
I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO THE CITY.
WELL, I ABOUT PASSED OUT BECAUSE I'VE KNOWN HAL FOR 45 YEARS, AND I HAD NO CLUE HE HAD THIS IDEA IN MIND.
UH, SO I SAID, WELL, THAT'S GREAT.
HOW, UH, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE HORSE RANCH? HEDE JOHNSON'S RANCH AT SECOND AND COLD TRAIN? I'VE DREAMED FOR 40 YEARS THAT THAT WOULD BE A PARK NOT DEVELOPED AS APARTMENTS.
AND A BRYANT SQUARE, WHICH IS THE CURRENT ZONING OF THAT PROPERTY NOW, UH, EAST, PARTICULARLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK.
UH, SO THIS WAS SORT OF A DREAM COME TRUE TO ME.
AND I SAID, I'LL DO WHATEVER I CAN DO.
I'M RETIRED, I'LL DO WHATEVER I CAN DO TO HELP YOU GET THIS DONE AND MOVE IT THROUGH THE CITY.
UH, SO HE WENT TO SEE MS. JOHNSON.
AND TWO YEARS LATER, WE FINALLY GOT THE LAND BOUGHT FOR $4.5 MILLION.
AND THE LAND IS FREE AND CLEARED.
OUR PLAN IS TO BUILD THIS PARK ALONG THE LINES OF THE WAY THE GATHERING PLACE WAS DONE IN TULSA GATHERING PLACE WAS A 460 MILLION PROJECT.
OUR PROJECT STARTED OUT AT 51 MILLION.
THE LAST ESTIMATE WAS 61 MILLION, AND IT'LL BE 71 MILLION BY THE TIME WE START TO FINISH BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT INFLATION'S DONE TO CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND DELAYS AND WHATNOT.
UH, MOST OF THAT, UH, MONEY IS GONNA BE RAISED PRIVATELY.
WE WILL ASK THE CITY FOR SOME ASSISTANCE ON INFRASTRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY THE ROAD, UH, ISSUES.
UH, WE RECOGNIZE, UH, AND SOME OF THE PARK INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE MASTER TRAIL OF THE CITY WILL CONNECT FROM EAST TO WEST THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET ON THAT TRAIL AT SOME POINT AT MITCH PARK, COME ALL THE WAY THROUGH TOWN, THROUGH THE PARK AND OUT THE LAKE ARCADIA TRAIL.
UH, BUT WE WILL, WE'VE DESIGNATED SPACE.
THE PLAN IS THE PARK CONSERVATIVE TRUST HAS BEEN ORGANIZED SPECIFICALLY TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THIS.
THAT TRUST IS LIKE, UH, THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY, THE EDMOND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
UH, IT IS A PUBLIC TRUST UNDER OKLAHOMA LAW, AND THE CITY OF EDMOND IS THE BENEFICIARY.
SO THE CITIZENS OF EDMOND ARE GONNA BE THE BENEFICIARY OF THIS PARK.
THERE WILL BE NO ADMITTANCE FEE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT 58 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES OF THE PARK.
THESE TRACKS DOWN HERE, UH, ARE RESERVED.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER FOUR ACRES, I BELIEVE, RESERVED FOR RESTAURANT PAD SITES.
AND THEY'LL HAVE A BALCONY THAT WILL OVERLOOK THE PONDS.
UH, NOT ABOUT, WELL, ABOUT THE END PATIOS THAT WILL OVERLOOK THE PONDS, THE REVENUE.
THAT'LL BE A SEPARATE OWNERSHIP.
THE REVENUE FROM THOSE, EITHER THE LAND LEASE OR THE OUTRIGHT SALE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ALL THAT REVENUE WILL GO TOWARD MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS OF THIS PARK.
UH, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE A PRIVATE COMPANY OPERATING AND MAINTAINING IT.
UH, WE HAVE TO RAISED MONEY FOR THAT IN ADDITION TO CONSTRUCTION.
UH, AND I THINK THE CITY WILL HELP BASICALLY THE BASELINE LEVEL FOR MAINTENANCE OF CITY PARKS.
I THINK THEY'LL AGREE TO ASSIST WITH THAT ON THIS PART.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE THESE THINGS, BUT THE BURDEN IS, IS UP HERE.
UH, WE'LL TALK ENGINEERS WILL TALK ABOUT THE VARIANCE.
THE PLATFORM, OR THE HIGHEST PARTS THAT PEOPLE CAN STAND ON IS ABOUT 35 FEET.
UH, THERE ARE ELEMENTS, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT GO UP TO 58 OR 62.
THIS CONCEPT, IT'LL LOOK LIKE TREE LIMBS.
I DON'T REALLY THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE HUNT WICK NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I KNOW THAT MR. FRENCH, UH, ACTUALLY GOT A CHERRY PICKER AND WENT UP 35 FEET IN IT TO SEE HOW FAR HE COULD SEE.
AND YOU MIGHT SEE A ROOF LINE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE BACKYARD OF THE PEOPLE.
AND WE'RE PLANTING TREES, EVERGREEN TREES.
YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THERE.
AND THE HUNT WICK NEIGHBORS ADJOINING US.
WE'VE PLANTED 148 EVERGREENS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS OVER THERE.
GOT A TREE GRANT OF $50,000 FROM OKLAHOMA CITY COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.
SO WE PLANTED AND STAKED IN IRRIGATING THOSE TREES NOW
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TO GET 'EM ESTABLISHED.UH, UH, THE, UH, GLASS HOUSE, UH, YOUR, YOUR WRITEUP SAYS THAT THAT BUILDING IS STILL THERE.
WE'D HOPE TO REPURPOSE THAT BUILDING.
UH, IT NEEDED A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE.
AND IT WAS, WE, WE DEMOLISHED THAT.
WE DID SAVE A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ROCK, WHICH WE'LL USE FOR LANDSCAPE PURPOSES AND PEDESTALS IN THE PARK.
UH, SO THAT'S THE GLASS HOUSE.
I'LL SHOW YOU A PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT, UH, BURDEN AS THE HORSESHOE PAVILION IS THE OLD BARN.
UH, THAT BARN IS A CONCRETE AND STEEL STRUCTURE WITH A CONCRETE FLOOR IN IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BLOW IT UP, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE OFF ABOUT A THIRD OF THE FRONT.
THE BACK TWO THIRDS WILL BE, UH, MAINTENANCE.
AND THE FRONT THIRD WILL BE AN OPEN PAVILION.
NO FLAMMABLES ON THAT, THAT BUILDING.
UH, SO MAINTENANCE AND, UH, PAVILION I'VE LOST.
NOW THERE'S A LAWN DOWN HERE THAT'LL BE USED.
THERE'S SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS.
THIS IS AN ADDITION FROM WHEN I MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, WE'VE SEEN THAT THESE ARE VERY USABLE AND IN DEMAND.
SO WE'RE DOING A A FEW PICKLEBALL COURTS RIGHT THERE.
THE, UH, PICNIC GROVES, VOLLEYBALL, CROSS TIMBERS CAMP IS THIS BUILDING.
THIS IS SORT OF A, YOU, YOU COME IN AND YOU CAN GET VISITOR'S INFORMATION AND CURIOS WHATNOT THERE.
IT'S NOT A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT, BUT YOU CAN GET LIKE DUCKY DO AT THE ZOO.
YOU CAN GET FAST FOOD DRINKS THERE.
UH, AND THEN THIS IS THE STAGE.
THIS IS THE, THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM WHEN I MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
THIS BUILDING WAS RIGHT HERE WITH RESTROOMS RIGHT HERE, UH, FACING HERE.
AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A PIECE OF ART THAT PAUL MOORE IS DOING.
IT'S A $650,000 SCULPTURE OF SIX MORE THAN LIFE SIZE HORSES.
22 FEET LONG, OVER SEVEN, FIVE FEET TALL.
IT'LL BE, UH, PLACED RIGHT THERE.
WE WE'RE, WE'RE USING THE HORSES BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL OWNER CALLED THIS THE VALLEY OF THE HORSE THAT THEY SAID VALLEY DEBA.
I ASSUME THAT'S VALLEY OF THE HORSE.
BUT, UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE USING THAT AS A LITTLE BIT OF A THEME FOR THIS PIECE.
IT'LL BE, YOU CAN DO, UH, COMMUNITY THEATER, SHAKESPEARE PARK TYPE THINGS.
YOU COULD HAVE A HAER IN THE PARK, UH, MUSIC.
UH, AND THE, UH, THE ENGINEERS CAN AGAIN, ADDRESS THAT.
WE HAD TO MOVE IT BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN OVER HERE.
IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN HERE.
THIS ACCESS POINT IS SOLELY, UH, FOR STAGE SETS THAT CAN COME IN FOR THE THEATER.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC PARKING SPOT.
UH, NOW I'LL TRY TO RUN THROUGH THESE NEXT ONE.
THE PONDS ARE GONNA BE NEW TOO.
THIS IS, UH, A LOOK AT, UH, SOME OF THE PLAYGROUND.
UH, THE, WE JUST GOT AN ESTIMATE ON DOING THIS, WHICH BLEW OUR MIND.
IT'S LIKE 8.1 MILLION FOR THE CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
UH, THAT'LL TAKE YOUR BREATH AWAY.
RIGHT THERE IS ABOUT 35 FEET, UH, LOOKING TOWARD HUNT WICK ON THE NORTH.
I THINK ONE OF 'EM IS ABOUT 62 FEET, AND ONE OF 'EM IS MAYBE 58 FEET.
IT'S A PLATFORM, BUT IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A BIRD NEST.
UH, AND WE THINK IT'LL BE A NICE INTERACTIVE DEAL.
IT DOES OVERSEE THE PARK, SO YOU CAN GET UP THERE AND SEE THE WHOLE PARK.
THIS IS THE PAVILION, UH, THE BARN BUILDING.
I TOLD YOU WE WERE GONNA TEAR OFF A THIRD OF IT.
IT'S ALL CONCRETE AND STEEL, OPEN PAVILION, FIRE PITS.
UH, YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, UH, PICNICS, ART CLASSES AND WHATNOT.
AND THAT AREA NEXT, I THINK THAT'S THE CROSS TIMBERS BUILDING THAT YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU COME INTO THE PARK AND WHERE YOU CAN GET, UH, HOTDOGS, COKES, ICE CREAM, WHATNOT.
ONE PHOTO OF THE GLASS HOUSE, UH, WHICH WILL HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICESS.
YOU CAN DO SMALL EVENTS IN THERE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BE HEAVY ON THE ART,
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OBVIOUSLY.WE'LL HAVE OUTDOOR CLASSES FOR STUDENTS OVER HERE.
AND IF THE WEATHER'S IN CLEMENT, THEY CAN MOVE INSIDE.
OR IN THE WINTER, THEY CAN DO THOSE INSIDE.
THIS IS THE SI THE TALL GRASS STAGE.
THIS AGAIN, IS ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE.
RAN ELLIOTT HAS DESIGNED THIS, THE BIRD NEST AND THE GLASSHOUSE.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD KNOW RANDY.
HE'S A NATIONALLY KNOWN ARCHITECT, DESIGNER.
NEXT, AGAIN, THIS IS THE LAWN SPACE.
UH, AND THIS CAN BE USED A PICNIC AREA, AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO SOCCER AND FRISBEE AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS ON THIS SPACE IN FRONT OF THE, THE EVENT STAGE.
NEXT, UH, I WANTED TO BRIEFLY, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY.
WE'VE ACQUIRED 42 PIECES OF SCULPTURE ALREADY FOR THIS PART.
ABOUT HALF A DOZEN OR MORE OF THOSE WERE PARTNERED ON BY CITIZENS OF EDMOND.
AND WE'VE SPENT ABOUT 1,000,008 ON ART THAT WAS DONE THROUGH THE CITY'S MATCHING PROGRAM.
CITIES GOT ABOUT $700,000 MATCHING IN THAT.
AND THE PRIVATE, UH, SECTOR HAS 1,000,001 IN IT.
SO, UH, A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION BY THE PUBLIC ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THAT OVER THE CITY'S, UH, ART PROGRAM, WHICH HAS BEEN EXISTENCE FOR 20 YEARS.
AND I THINK THAT PROGRAM ACTUALLY HAS BEEN SORT OF THE IMPETUS FOR THE FRENCH FAMILY TO DO THIS PART, QUITE FRANKLY.
UH, NEXT WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY.
PAUL IS THE, HAS DONE MORE MONUMENTAL SCULPTOR SCULPTURE THAN ANY LIVING SCULPTOR IN THE WORLD.
UH, AND HE'S, WE TALKED HIM INTO DOING ONE MORE.
HE'S HAD EIGHT BACK SURGERIES, BUT WE, HE LIKED THIS PROJECT.
AND THIS IS A, A REPLICA OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
22 PLUS FEET LONG, AT LEAST SEVEN AND A HALF FEET TALL.
IT'LL BE ON A PEDESTAL, ALSO ELEVATED.
SO YOU'LL SEE IT FROM COLD TRAIN AND HIGHWAY 66, SECOND STREET.
NEXT, UH, THIS IS BY, UH, JEFF SCHAUMBERG, WHO'S A BURNING DESERT GUY, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ABOUT THAT.
UH, BUT, UH, THAT SAYS DREAM OURS IS GONNA BE IN, UH, EITHER STAINLESS OR ALUMINUM.
UH, AND IT'LL HAVE THE OKLAHOMA PUNCH OUT WHERE THESE ARE PUNCHED OUT.
SO INSTEAD OF DREAM, OURS WILL BE TWO WORDS.
OUR ART, HE'S ALSO IN GONNA INTERNALLY LIGHT THIS SO THAT, AND WE'RE THINKING, WE'LL PUT IT DOWN BY THE PONDS, WHERE AT NIGHT YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE DECKS OF THE RESTAURANTS.
NEXT, AGAIN, THEY'LL LOVE THAT COUPLE OF HORSES BY SANTA FE SCULPTOR.
SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT ROAD RUNNER, ALMOST EIGHT FEET.
KIDS WILL GET A KICK OUT OF THAT TOO, AS WELL.
THIS IS A HUGE PIECE OF KIDS, UH, WALKING ON THE LOG IN THE FOREST.
UH, I SAW THIS PIECE 20 YEARS AGO FOR $170,000.
IT'S WORTH ABOUT THREE 50 TODAY.
SO WE GOT A HECK OF A BUY ON THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BRAND NEW TOO.
NEXT AGAIN, GLEN GOODACRE, ONE OF THE BEST KNOWN SCULPTORS IN THE WORLD, DIED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.
HE IS THE FOREMOST WESTERN SCULPTOR IN THE WORLD, UH, PRE TO WEST FOR YEARS.
UH, JUST SOLD A FOUR FOOT TALL PIECE FOR A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS AT AUCTION SCOTTSDALE LAST WEEKEND.
NEXT, DAVE MCGARRY, UH, DID THIS, THIS IS MY FAVORITE PIECE BY DAVE MCGARRY.
HE'S THE ONE THAT DID TOUCH THE CLOUDS IN FRONT OF UCO, THE MONUMENT SIZE.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT FOR A STEEL ALSO.
NEXT, NEXT, UH, HERMAN MCNEIL IS A DECEASED SCULPTOR.
UH, HE'S IN MUSEUMS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
UH, VERY FAMOUS, UH, TO THOSE IN THE ART WORLD.
NEXT, UH, THIS IS ONE WE HOPE WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT KIND OF BOUNDING OUT OF THE CREEK AREA, UH, LIKE A MARSH OR A WETLAND.
UH, OSTER MILLER'S ALSO A PRE TO WEST ARTIST FOR MANY YEARS.
NEXT, THIS ONE I FOUND IN LOVELAND, UH, AT THE SCULPTURE SHOW.
WERE ALL COMING BY, SITTING ON THE BENCH, KISSING ON IT.
SO I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF ME KISSING IT, TAKEN BY MY WIFE WHO'S JEALOUS.
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THIS ONE'S BOUGHT BY JOE AND ELIZABETH WEINER.WAS BOUGHT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PARK.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION.
NEXT, THESE ARE SEVEN JACK RABBITS THAT, UH, WERE BOUGHT BY ARTISTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DALLAS.
UH, THEY'LL BE SET IN SOME KIND OF SETTING LIKE THAT.
WALT MATIA IS ONE OF THE FOREMOST, UH, WILDLIFE, WESTERN WILDLIFE SCULPTORS.
THESE WERE IN HIS PERSONAL COLLECTION.
AND WE CALLED HIM UP AND SAID, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME WOLVES.
AND HE SAID, WHAT ARE YOU USING THEM FOR? AND WE SAID, WE'RE GONNA PUT 'EM IN SCULPTURE PARK IN OUR COMMUNITY.
HE'S OBVIOUSLY FAMILIAR WITH CENTRAL OKLAHOMA CAUSE HE'S BEEN COMING PRETA WEST FOR 30 YEARS, AND HE SOLD 'EM TO US AND HE SOLD 'EM TO US AT A HECK OF A GOOD PRICE.
SO I WAS REAL PLEASED THAT HE WAS PLEASED WITH WHAT WE WERE DOING NEXT.
THIS IS A MAN I MET IN NEW MEXICO.
THIS PIECE WE ACTUALLY HAVE SITTING OVER AT THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE.
UH, IT'S ALL BRONZE, SO IT'S, UH, WE'RE GONNA PUT IT PROBABLY IN THE GLASSHOUSE.
UH, IT'LL BE A PHOTO OP FOR EVERYBODY SITTING NEXT TO BODE.
IT ALREADY IS FOR THE CITY PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, EVERYTHING I'VE GOT ABOUT, I DUNNO, FOUR OR FIVE MORE THAT I COULD SHOW YOU PHOTOS, BUT I'VE TAKEN TOO MUCH TIME.
UH, MARK'S GONNA TALK NOW ABOUT THE ENGINEERING THINGS.
MARK SITZ DOWN WITH JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES.
ADDRESS IS ONE EAST SHERIDAN AVENUE.
UH, I'LL SAY IT'S A BIT OF A TREAT TO GET HERE AND PRESENT ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
TYPICALLY, YOU SEE, SEE US WITH COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND APARTMENTS, AND WE HAVE PROTESTORS FOR VERY DIFFERENT REASONS.
UH, BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UH, I THINK YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PRESENTATION, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO THIS PROJECT TO THIS POINT.
AND SO, UH, WHAT CALEB AND I WANT TO DO IS WALK THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT.
AND SO I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK OVER TO HIM.
UH, AND THEN I'LL CLOSE, UH, JUST WALKING THROUGH THE LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED EARLIER TODAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
I, AND I WILL CALL THEM CONCERNS.
I THINK A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST QUESTIONS.
AND WE UNDERSTAND ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS GOING BEHIND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT QUESTIONS WOULD ARISE.
SO I'LL REITERATE THAT BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM AND WALK THROUGH MORE SPECIFICS, UH, AND DIG INTO ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, ISSUES OR QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE.
SO, UH, RANDY, I WILL ADD ONE ADDITIONAL VARIANCE THAT WAS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, UH, FOR, UH, TYING ON TO PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER.
UH, WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TO DO ON THIS IS USE PRIVATE SEWER SYSTEMS, UH, SEPTIC TANKS.
I THINK ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IT'S THAT UNIQUE.
YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
UH, AND THAT IS WHAT HAS NECESSITATED THIS MANY BEARINGS.
SO I THINK ON THE SURFACE IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT I THINK AS YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE WALK THROUGH THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCE ARE NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF SOMETHING, IT'S ACTUALLY BECAUSE A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT HAS GONE INTO IT.
UH, AND WE'VE PROVIDED STAFF WITH A LOT OF REASONING AND RATIONALE, UH, AND ANALYSIS, UH, THAT WE THINK SUPPLEMENTS A LOT OF THIS SO QUICKLY.
I'LL ADDRESS A COUPLE BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO CALEB.
UH, BUT THE HEIGHT VARIANCE FOR THE BIRD'S NEST.
UH, WE CONSIDER THIS AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD GO HERE, TALL BUILDINGS, UH, THIS, I WOULD EQUATE ALMOST TO A CHURCH BUILDING WHERE THEY MAY BE AT THAT 35 FEET, BUT THAT STEEPLE MIGHT BE HIGHER THAN THAT.
IT'S NOT AN OCCUPIED STRUCTURE UP ABOVE THE 35 FEET.
SO WE DON'T THINK THAT THERE'D BE ANY CAUSE FOR CONCERN IN TERMS OF PRIVACY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ADDITIONALLY, WHERE YOU LOOK AT WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THERE WILL BE, UH, A LOT OF NEW TREE COVERAGE, BUT ALSO, UH, A LOT OF EXISTING TREE COVERAGE THAT'LL BE PRESERVED.
SO WE'RE, UH, I THINK PROBABLY ABOUT 600 FEET AWAY TO THE NEAREST HOME.
SO IT'S BEEN LOCATED PURPOSEFULLY TO MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL IMPACT, UH, ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.
UH, THE OTHER ITEM THAT, UH, I'LL ADDRESS IS, IS THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG COAL TRAIN AND ALONG SECOND STREET.
ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO BE A CITY OF EDMOND TRUST THAT WILL OWN AND MAINTAIN IT.
UH, AND SO WITH THAT, WHEN WE THINK THROUGH, IF A FUTURE PROJECT IS NEEDED, THE CITY WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AT THAT TIME.
AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DESIGNS.
THERE ARE KEY SCULPTURES THAT WE THINK ARE INVITING INTO THE PROJECT.
UH, BUT IF A MASSIVE PROJECT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, WHICH WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED GIVEN THE SIZE OF, OF THE BRIDGE STRUCTURE, UH, ALONG COL TRAIN, THE CITY WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE WHATEVER RIGHT OF WAY OR WHATEVER EASEMENTS ARE NECESSARY AT THAT TIME.
SO, UH, WE DO NOT THINK WE ARE PREVENTING THE CITY OF EDMOND FROM FUTURE PROJECTS, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'LL BE WITHIN CITY OWNERSHIP'S HANDS.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CALEB.
UH, HE'S GONNA ADDRESS THE DETENTION, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH,
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AND THE SEPTIC TANKS.CALEB MORGAN JOHNSON ASSOCIATES, ONE EAST SHERIDAN, OKLAHOMA CITY.
UH, AS MARK MENTIONED, I'M GONNA ADDRESS, UH, A FEW ITEMS. THE, UH, DETENTION HAS COME UP AS, UH, A REQUEST, AND WE'VE DONE SOME ANALYSIS ON THIS AND APPLIED A LETTER WITH SOME BACKING CALCULATIONS TO CITY STAFF.
AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED YET, BUT THOSE ANALYSES SHOWED THAT, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE EXPECT AND WHAT WAS HERE PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY WAS A, UH, KIND OF A HORSE PASTURE WITH MINIMAL COVERAGE, MINIMAL GROUND COVERAGE, AND WE'RE PROPOSING A LOT OF TREES, A LOT OF UNDULATIONS, A LOT OF HIGH NATIVE GRASS, AND, UH, CHANGES TO WHAT WE CALL THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION.
AND SO THAT WOULD LENGTHEN THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION OF WATER FLOWING OFF THE SITE TO THE CREEK.
AND WE EXPECT THERE WILL BE PRETTY MUCH A WASH AS FAR AS, UH, RUNOFF FROM THE SITE.
YOU'LL HAVE MORE, BUT IT'LL BE EXTENDED OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, BECAUSE OF ALL THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANCE AMOUNTS OF BERMS THAT ARE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND IT'LL DIRECT KIND OF WATER TO DIFFERENT AREAS AND IT'LL TAKE A LONGER TIME TO GET TO THE CREEK.
AND SO THAT IN A WAY, OBTAINS WATER IN AND OF ITSELF.
UM, SO WE'VE PROVIDED THOSE CALCULATIONS.
WE'VE THOUGHT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, CITY STAFF TO POSSIBLY, UH, ALLOW DETENTION IN THE, UH, RENOVATE THE DETENTION POND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH, AND, UH, CLEARLY CLEAN THAT UP AND MAKE IT PART OF THE PARK WHERE IT'S MAINTAINED BY THE PARK.
SO WE'RE ON ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE.
SO WE WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR DETENTION JUST TO ALLOW THE PROJECT TO PROCEED, BUT THE TENSION MAY BE PROVIDED ANYWAYS, UH, SATISFACTORY TO WHAT THE STAFF NEEDS ANYWAYS, AS PART OF THAT RENOVATION OF THAT POND.
FOR THE, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY REQUIREMENT, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A PARK AND THE PEAK TIMES FOR THIS PARK WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN PEAK TRAFFIC FOR CITY STREETS.
LIKE YOU WON'T SEE MUCH TRAFFIC FROM THE PARK DURING A AND PEAK HOUR OR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EVENING RUSH HOUR.
UH, WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IS TRAFFIC DURING A BIG EVENT.
AND IN THOSE TIMES, WE KNOW IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVING ALL AT ONCE, AND THERE WILL LIKELY NEED TO BE SOME, UH, INTERACTION WITH ADMIN OFFICIALS OR THE COPS TO, UH, MAYBE ASSIST THINGS IN THAT TIME.
BUT THAT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE, EVERYWHERE YOU HAVE A LARGE, LARGE EVENT LIKE THAT.
SO A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THIS TIME WOULDN'T TELL US MUCH.
THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT, UM, LEFT TURNS ENTERING AND LEAVING AGAIN.
THAT WOULD BE VERY, THAT WOULD HELP A LOT DURING PEAK HOURS, BUT IT WON'T HELP A LOT DURING A BIG EVENT.
YOU WOULD LIKELY HAVE A, A POLICE OFFICER SITTING AT THAT, THAT, UH, ENTRANCE AND DIRECTING TRAFFIC.
UM, SO THAT'S, WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM THAT ONE FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. UH, WE INITIALLY DESIGNED THIS, UH, ALL THE BUILDINGS TO TIE TO SEWER AND, UM, THAT TOOK A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE WE CAN'T CROSS A CREEK WHERE MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED.
THEY ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK, AND THE SEWER LINE ADJACENT TO THEM IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CREEK.
IT DOES CROSS OVER, UH, FURTHER TO THE WEST.
AND THAT'S WHY THE, UH, THE HORSESHOE BARN IS TIED TO THAT SEWER SYSTEM.
BUT ALL THE BUILDINGS TO THE EAST ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WHERE THE, THE SEWER LINE IS, AND TO CROSS THAT CREEK.
UH, THE SEWER LINE, UNFORTUNATELY, IS FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE FLOW LINE OF THE CREEK.
AND SO YOU INTRODUCE A LOT OF POTENTIAL MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH SEWER SERVICES CROSSING THE CREEK, UH, AND AT THAT FLOW LINE.
SO IT'D BE ALMOST EXPOSED AND YOU'D HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
SO WE WERE PROPOSING A LONG EXTENSION LINE ALL THE WAY DOWN, BUT IT BECAME COST PROHIBITIVE, ESPECIALLY THE WAY PRICES ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEMS, UH, IN A KEY FEW PLACES, THE THE MAJOR SYSTEMS, THE GLASSHOUSE AND THE HORSE BARN, THOSE WILL STILL BE TIED TO PUBLIC SEWER.
THE GLASSHOUSE IS SEWER TO THE NORTH TO AN EXISTING SEWER LINE UP THERE.
BUT THESE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE SMALL BATHROOMS THAT WON'T HAVE MUCH SERVICE, WE ARE REQUESTING A A SEPTIC SESSION VARIANCE FOR THAT.
UH, SO ALL THESE ITEMS TOO, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S PROBABLY WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH A LOT OF THIS, WHETHER IT'S DETENTION OR, UM, THAT WE THINK IS NOT NECESSARILY WARRANTED OR TRAFFIC STAY THAT WE DON'T THINK IS WARRANTED OR SEWER SERVICES FOR THE, THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
BUT THAT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY THAT TAKES AWAY FROM, FROM THE PARK ITSELF.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN BACK OVER TO MARK.
I FAILED TO MENTION THAT CALEB IS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, BUT ALSO HE IS A PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
UH, AND SO HIS ANALYSIS OF THE TRAFFIC, WE THINK IS WHAT WARRANTS, UH, THE VARIANCE FROM A TRAFFIC STUDY.
SO I'M GONNA QUICKLY WALK THROUGH THE LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE HOA.
UM, AND SO I'LL JUST KIND OF START FROM THE BEGINNING.
THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE IS ON COLTRAIN IN SECOND.
UH, CALEB AND I, CALEB AND I BOTH ADDRESSED THOSE.
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RATIONALE FOR NOT SEEKING A TRAFFIC STUDY.WHEN YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THECA, THE SIZE OF THE STAGE, THIS IS NOT A CONCERT VENUE WHERE YOU'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COME.
IT'S GEARED TOWARD A SMALLER SETTING.
SHAKESPEARE IN THE SHAKESPEARE IN THE PARK TYPE SETTING, WHICH IS A VASTLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF VENUE SIZE THAN WHAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN.
LIKE THE KINGS OF LEON CONCERT AT SCISSORTAIL PARK, WHERE I THINK THERE WERE 15,000 PEOPLE THERE.
THE, THE GREAT LAWN IS SMALLER.
AND SO THERE WAS A NOTE IN HERE ABOUT PROPER ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
WE'VE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF, UH, ON THIS.
UH, WE BELIEVE AT THIS POINT WE'VE REQUESTED NO VARIANCES FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
UH, FOR THE DESIGN OF THIS, THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE ROAD, THEY'VE CHECKED OUR TURNAROUNDS, AND THEY'VE CHECKED OUR, UH, FIRE ACCESS TO ALL BUILDINGS.
WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL, UH, MEET OR EXCEED ALL OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
UM, ONE OF THEM BEING THIS WOULD SET A PRECEDENT.
I TH I THINK WE TALK A LOT AT EVERY, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL, HEARING THAT EVERY LAND USE CASE STANDS ON ITS OWN MERIT.
I THINK WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS AN EXTREMELY UNIQUE APPLICATION.
I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS THAT IF, UH, A DEVELOPER MAYBE EVEN SOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, IT'S ZONED FOR APARTMENTS AND COMMERCIAL, UH, CAME IN HERE ASKING FOR THESE SAME TYPES OF VARIANCES, UH, I DON'T THINK THEY'D BE APPROVED.
I STAND BEFORE YOU OFTEN, AND I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER COME BEFORE YOU WITH A LIST OF TWO VARIANCES, LET ALONE SEVEN.
UH, AND SO I THINK FROM A PRECEDENT STANDPOINT, IF A DEVELOPER WAS SEEKING TO SPEND UPWARDS OF 70 MILLION ON A PUBLIC SPACE, THERE MAY BE CONSIDERATION.
UH, WE'VE NEVER SEEN THAT AND IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT YOU EVER WILL.
UH, THERE WAS MENTION IN HERE ABOUT PARKING STANDARDS AND DESIGNS.
UH, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO REVIEW THAT, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORS, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY REFERENCED OKLAHOMA COUNTY'S PARKING STANDARDS.
EDMOND HAS SEPARATE PARKING STANDARDS.
AND I THINK IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT, UH, WE ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THAT.
THERE WAS NOTHING NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT EITHER PARKING DESIGN OR THE NUMBER OF SPACES, UH, WAS INSUFFICIENT.
UH, THEY NOTED A LACK OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
UH, I THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A QUESTION BACK TO STAFF.
WHY IS THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION NOT PROVIDED? WE'VE SUBMITTED THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE DETAILS THAT, THAT WE'VE SHARED TONIGHT WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, PLACEMENT AND ORIENTATION OF STAGE THAT WAS MENTIONED, THERE WAS A FLOODPLAIN ISSUE THAT WAS A, A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY THAT WE LOOK AT REORIENTING THAT, UH, THE RESTROOMS, UH, PLACEMENT OF THE SUPPORT COURTS.
UH, WE WORKED WITH SCOTT HOWARD AND RAN ELLIOT'S OFFICE.
UH, THEY'RE BOTH INCREDIBLE DESIGNERS THAT WORK ON, UH, THEY'VE WORKED ON PROBABLY COMBINED HUNDREDS OF PARK PROJECTS.
UH, THEY BELIEVE THAT THE SPACING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, AND THAT'S THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS.
UH, PARK OPERATIONS NOT DEFINED THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
UH, IT'LL BE IN A PUBLIC TRUST.
AND SO SOME OF THESE THINGS, HOURS OF OPERATION, SECURITY AND MAINTENANCE, WE ARE STILL RELATIVELY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
I THINK WHAT WE'LL SEE, UH, THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AND AS THEY BEGIN TO DEFINE THAT SCOPE, THAT SOME OF THAT WILL GET WORKED OUT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WILL BE A CITY RUN OR CITY OPERATED ENTITY.
AND THEN THE VARIANCE FOR THE HEIGHT AND PLACEMENT, UH, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THE BIRD NEST.
AND SO I THINK THE LAST THING THAT THE, THE RESIDENTS TALK ABOUT IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UH, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WHAT THIS BODY SEES IS A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL OR MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONTINUANCE.
UH, WE THINK GIVEN THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROJECT AND THE REQUESTED NUMBER OF VARIANCES WAS PROBABLY THE APPROPRIATE DECISION BY STAFF TO NOT WEIGH IN AND DEFER BACK TO THIS BODY AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE STAFF REPORT READS POSITIVE.
I I THINK THE PROJECT YOU SEE WILL BE A NET POSITIVE TO THE CITY OF EDMOND.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT IS TO, UH, VOTE AND APPROVE ALL OF THE VARIANCES AND THIS PROJECT AND ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND ONE MORE TIME, WE'LL REITERATE, WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE A, A MEETING, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONTINUE TO, TO WORK THROUGH THIS AND DISCUSS ANYTHING WE CAN PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, BUT WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
I'M NOT REAL SURE HOW THE, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CONSERVANCY AND THE, UH, AND THE CITY WOULD WORK IF WE PASS THE VARIANCE ON WIDENING THE, UH, COAL TRAIN TO FOUR LANES THEN WITH THE CITY AT SOME TIME.
CAUSE I REALLY THINK IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE FOUR LANES.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A BUSY PLACE.
THERE'LL BE BACKUPS INTO SECOND STREET.
IT'S JUST, IT WILL, I THINK IT COULD RUIN THE EXPERIENCE OF SOMEONE THAT HAS ENJOYED SUCH A GREAT PROJECT.
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SO HOW WOULD THAT, HOW WOULD THE CITY DETERMINE, WOULD THEY DETERMINE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A FOUR LANE AND THEN MAKE IT THAT WAY AT THE COST OF THE CITY? OR IS IT PREVENTED FROM DOING THAT BECAUSE OF THIS VARIANCE TO THIS PROJECT? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T KNOW.DID I TALK ENOUGH TO CONFUSE YOU,
THE, UH, WE MET WITH ELECTRIC, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK AND RESOLVED ALL OUR ISSUES, UH, THAT THEY HAD.
WE MET WITH THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT.
I'M GOING ON SORT OF OFF TOPIC, BUT THEY WERE OKAY WITH NOT GIVING EASEMENTS BECAUSE THIS WAS A PUBLIC TRUST THAT THE CITY WAS A BENEFICIARY OF.
AND ACTUALLY ON THIS TRUST TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SERVE AS MEMBERS OF THE TRUST.
SO THEY PRETTY MUCH KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT RIGHT AWAY ON THIS SITE.
ON THE COAL TRAIN SIDE, PARTICULARLY TO DO THE WIDENING, UH, THERE IS AN ISSUE WHEN YOU GET PAST OUR MOUNT NORTH BOUNDARY LINE, AND THAT IF YOU GIVE THE STANDARD RIGHT AWAY WIDENING, YOU RUN THROUGH A BACKYARD IN A SWIMMING POOL AND TAKE OUT ALL OF HUNT WICK'S FENCE, THAT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
I MEAN, SELDOM SAY NEVER, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE APPETITE FOR THAT TYPE OF CONDEMNATION AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S NEVER GONNA AGREE TO IT AND SHOULDN'T, QUITE FRANKLY.
SO THERE WILL BE ADEQUATE PROTECTIONS, UH, BOTH BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC TRUST WITH THE CITY AS A BENEFICIARY, WE WILL GIVE RIGHT AWAY IF THE CITY WANTS THE RIGHT OF WAY GIVEN, UH, THAT IS REASONABLE TO DO WHAT THE WIDE ACT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO RANDALL, IF I, IF I COULD ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION AND, AND I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE UNIQUE AND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT I FIGURE, HEY, IT'S MY FIRST DAY ON THE JOB DOING THIS.
THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE HERE, AND AS I SAID, WE RECEIVE SOME COMMUNICATIONS.
UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS PARK AND SUPPORTING TODAY? IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.
AND HOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE OPPOSED TO THE PARK AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND ARE HOPING THAT WE TURN IT DOWN TODAY OR ASK THE APPLICANT AGAIN TO POTENTIALLY DO A CONTINUANCE? I'M JUST OPPOSED TO THE VARIANCE.
I, I, I NEED, NEED TO SHOW OF HANDS.
AND, AND, AND THE, THE ISSUE AGAIN, WHAT, WHAT FOR ME IS A LITTLE UNIQUE IS, UH, AND I, I UNDERSTAND TIMELINESS AND HAVING TO WORK WITH THE ENGINEERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS POTENTIALLY THAT ARE CAUSING A LITTLE BIT OF APPREHENSION AND CONCERN THAT WERE EXPRESSED BY SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS WAS, UH, I HEARD AS WE WERE TALKING, WE'VE JUST PROVIDED THIS TO STAFF.
I'M NOT FOR SURE THEY'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT.
WE'RE WORKING ON THIS WITH THE CITY, WE'RE WORKING ON THIS WITH THIS DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT WAS THE CONSISTENT THING THAT I HEARD THROUGH BOTH OF THE ENGINEERS, WHICH CAUSES ME A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN.
UM, AND THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC PROJECT.
I CAN'T WAIT TO WALK THROUGH IT.
UM, I'M STILL WONDERING IF, IF WE ARE HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS TOO EARLY AND WHETHER POTENTIALLY, UH, THIS SHOULD POTENTIALLY BE CONTINUED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES SO WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE INPUT FROM CITY STAFF.
WHAT I WILL TELL YOU, AND I WANT EVERYONE HERE TO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE JOB OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE VARIANCES, SOME OF THESE THINGS WOULD ACTUALLY END HERE TONIGHT IF WE WEREN'T DEALING WITH VARIANCES.
BUT OUR JOB, I THINK IS TO TRY TO GO AHEAD AND NARROW DOWN WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO LOOK AT AND MAKE THEIR JOB A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
UM, AND SO I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE THOSE.
SO AGAIN, UH, I DIFFER IN MY PREDECESSOR IN REGARD TO THE FACT THAT I'M NEVER GOING TO FORCE A CONTINUANCE DOWN SOMEONE'S THROAT AND MAKE THEM DO THAT.
BUT, UH, I BELIEVE EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO HAVE A VOTE.
AND WHAT'S INTERESTING IS IF WE VOTE ON THIS TODAY AND WE SAY, YES, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN TURN IT DOWN IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE VARIANCES AND WE CAN VOTE NO ON IT.
AND IF WE VOTE NO, IT DOESN'T STOP HERE, IT GOES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL THEN LOOK AT, AT IT AND MAKE A DETERMINATION ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
SO AGAIN, IS THE APPLICANT WANTING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THIS TONIGHT? NO, WE DON'T.
AND AND THE MAIN REASON IS, I, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE NEED TIME TO DIGEST THIS, BUT THE REALITY IS THIS WOULD NOT EVEN BE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT FOR THE VARIANCES.
BUT FOR THE VARIANCES, THEY'VE GOT TO DECIDE THIS ISSUE AND THEY MAY DECIDE WHAT YOU THINK'S BEST.
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BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE TIME.WE'RE MEETING WITH, UH, WITH MR. BEATTY OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IN THE MORNING.
HE COULDN'T MEET WITH US BEFORE TOMORROW.
WE'D HOPED WE COULD MEET WITH HIM BEFORE THIS MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE DETENTION ITEMS AND THE POND THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THE MAINTENANCE ON.
WE'RE GONNA VISIT ABOUT THOSE ISSUES.
UH, THE CITY WILL HAVE THE RIGHT IN THE FUTURE TO DO WHATEVER LANE IMPROVEMENTS THEY WANT TO DO BECAUSE THE TRUST OWNS THE PROPERTY.
AND UH, YOU MAY WANT TO DISCUSS THIS CALEB OR NOT, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING TO BE SOLVED TONIGHT.
BY CONTINUING IT, WE CAN, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE A MEETING WITH BOTH HUNT WICK ONE AND TWO NEIGHBORS.
UH, I JUST SOON DO THAT WITH US AND THEM AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING A COMMUNITY CONNECTION MEETING BECAUSE THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED ARE TECHNICAL AND THEY'RE ABOVE MY PAY GRADE AND THEY'RE ABOVE MR. FRENCH'S PAY GRADE.
SO WE NEED ENGINEERS TO BE ABLE TO TALK, WHICH NORMALLY YOU CAN'T DO IT.
COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND I CAN'T TALK.
UH, SO WE WOULD UH, PREFER THAT WE ARE CONTINUE OUR MEETING WITH THE STAFF ON, ON, UH, THE VARIANCES.
SOME OF 'EM WE MAY NOT AGREE TO, WE MAY NOT EVER GET AN AGREEMENT ON.
AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL STILL HAS TO DECIDE THAT, UH, IRRESPECTIVE AGAIN OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T LIKE TO BE, UH, CANTANKEROUS, UH, BUT I THINK THE CONTINUANCE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE SERVES NO PURPOSE BECAUSE WE CAN DO THE SAME THINGS BETWEEN TONIGHT AND MAY 8TH THAT WE COULD DO TONIGHT AND THEN EXPLAINING.
AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR POSITION SAYING THAT.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? WELL, I'M SORRY, CALEB.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME CLARIFYING DETAILS TO THE ISSUE WITH THE ROADWAY WIDENING.
SO WE ARE PROVIDING 50 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY ALONG COAL TRAIN ROAD, WHICH LINES UP WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH.
UH, AS HE MENTIONED, IF WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE MORE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE VARIANCES, 70 FOOT, IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF NORTH DOESN'T HAVE 70 FOOT.
AND THEY'D BE, IF THEY TOOK 70 FOOT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF NORTH, THEY'D BE IN PEOPLE'S POOLS.
UH, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO LINE UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH AS FAR AS THE RIGHT OF WAY GOES.
SO, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A FENCE ALONG THERE.
SO WE'RE CONDUCTING TO THE FENCE IN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH AND COMING SOUTH IN THE SAME ALIGNMENT.
SO THAT'S 50 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF COAL TRAIN.
AND THE ROADWAY THERE IS ROUGHLY 15 FEET WIDE.
SO YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THIS PROJECT IN NO WAY COULD HAMPER THE WIDENING OF COAL TRAIN, UH, IF THE CITY WANTED DEDUC.
SO AT ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE, AND AS WE'VE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IT'S PUBLIC, IT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC PARK.
SO WHATEVER THEY WOULD NEED IN THE FUTURE, THEY COULD TAKE THAT ANYWAY.
SO AS FAR AS THE RIGHT OF WAY GOES, THAT'S NOT A REAL HOLD UP TO THE CITY.
UH, AND THE ROADWAY WIDENING, WE WOULD LIKE TO WIDEN IT TO THE NORTH.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS, UM, A CROSSING OF CULVERTS ACROSS UNDER THERE AND THEY'RE UNDERSIZED.
THE DRAINAGE AREA TO THAT CULVERT BASIN IS NOT ANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK.
IT'S THE UH, TREE AREA UP THERE THAT IS REMAINING IN PLACE.
THERE'S GONNA PUT SOME TRAILS IN.
SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY DRAINAGE TO THOSE CULVERTS OR UNDERSIZED NOW.
WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THEM, IT'S JUST GONNA REMAIN TREE COVERAGE.
UH, BUT IF WE WERE TO WIDEN IT, WE'D HAVE TO UH, EITHER EXTEND THOSE CULVERTS, AT WHICH POINT THEY'D BE STILL UNDERSIZED AND THAT JUST KICKS THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AS FAR AS A PROBLEM.
UH, OR WE'D HAVE TO REPLACE THE WHOLE STRUCTURES ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET AND PUT IN A SIGNIFICANT BOX CULVERT OF SOME KIND, WHICH IS, UH, A BIG INVESTMENT.
UH, AND THEN AS WELL AS THE, THE PAVING TO THE NORTH.
AND SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS BE AS LEAST IMPACTFUL AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN AS MUCH MO UH, MONEY FOR THE PARK.
AND IF ANY MONEY COMES UP, IT DOESN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING IN.
CAUSE IT BENEFITS THEM TO, TO, TO HAVE THAT WIDE BLAME.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS VARIANCE SO THAT IT DOESN'T HOLD UP THE PROJECT, BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY HAVE A DONOR, WHOEVER COMES IN THAT WANTS TO HELP OUT AND WIDEN THAT THEY COULD DO THIS IN THE FUTURE OR IF THE CITY HAS SOME COMING, UH, THAT COULD WORK, BE WORKED OUT AND WE'D BE WORKING WITH, UH, HAL AND HIS TEAM AND, AND THE CITY TO POSSIBLY COME UP WITH SOME WAY TO MAKE THAT WIDENING.
SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, BUT WE'D JUST LIKE TO NOT TO HOLD UP THE PROJECT FOR THAT AND DECREASE THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, THE, THE PARK AND ALL THE FUNDING FOR THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I'LL OBJECT DOWN HERE.
AND IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
LIVE AT TWO 13 HAMPTON RIDGE ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT UP HERE.
WE HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD THAT ARE HERE.
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ABOUT THERE.AND THE OTHER ONE IS RIGHT OVER HERE.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE AS WELL.
DO Y'ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT THAT OUR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION PREPARED? YOU HAVE DOC A COPY OF IT? I'VE GOT A REVIEW.
I, I DID NOT BRING MINE BUT I'VE THOROUGHLY REVIEWED IT.
BUT WE, WE BROUGHT HIM UP EARLIER.
YOU GOT ONE? YEAH, WE'LL PASS HIM DOWN.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ENGINEER WAS REFERRING TO AND I THINK MR. FRENCH HAS BEEN LOOKING AT PART OF THIS.
I DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME CUZ I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU AND, UH, PROBABLY MEMBERS OF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM WICKER.
I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU AS WELL.
BUT WHAT GIVES ME GREAT CONCERN IS THE VARIANCES, THE FOUR VARIANCES.
AND FROM WHAT I'VE, WHAT I'VE HEARD HERE AND THESE VARIANCES JUST CRY OUT FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY.
THIS SECOND COLD TRAIN RIGHT DOWN HERE.
PROBABLY EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM AND MAYBE ME THE MOST, I'VE PASSED THROUGH HERE ABOUT TWO TIMES A DAY EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE.
AND WHAT WAS NOT MENTIONED TO YOU ARE THE 444 PARKING PLACES THAT ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE, THEY WILL BE USED UP EVERY TIME, EVERY DAY BE USED UP MAY EVEN MORE.
BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE, ALL THOSE DRIVERS ARE ALL GONNA COME IN.
WELL, HERE IT'S RIGHT AROUND HERE.
IS THAT RIGHT OR IS IT UP HERE? UP HERE.
OKAY, WELL HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE MOST OF THE PARKING PLACES ARE IS RIGHT ALONG HERE.
AND WHILE I'M AT IT, WHEN IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR, WE HAD A MEETING WITH MR. SHA AND I THINK HE REFERRED TO IT.
IT WASN'T A SITE PLAN THAT THEY HAD, BUT KIND OF A, A A DREAM THING OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT AT THE TIME.
AND THEY WERE GONNA HAVE A, THE ROAD WAS GONNA COME OVER HERE AND RIGHT AROUND IN THIS AREA IT WAS GONNA CONNECT ON DOWN TO SECOND STREET.
AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT CONNECTION.
AND WHEN I FIRST SAW THAT, I THOUGHT LIKE, HEY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COAL TRAIN ENTRANCE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SECOND STREET ENTRANCE THAT WOULD GREATLY ALLEVIATE ANY OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD COME, UH, OVER IN HERE.
AND THEN I SEE A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FROM WIDENING COAL TRAIN.
BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD IF, IF WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, COMING IN HERE CUZ WE'RE GONNA HAVE CONCERTS UP HERE, GONNA HAVE ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES.
WE'VE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED OR TOLD WHAT THE HOURS OF THE PARK ARE GONNA BE.
AND THAT COULD BE, I'M GONNA ASSUME WORST CASE SCENARIO, DAWN TILL DUSK IN THE SUMMER, THAT 9 39, 9 30, THEY'RE GONNA BE, THIS PLACE IS GONNA BE PACKED UP.
AND WHEN THEY HAVE A CONCERT, MOST OF THE PEOPLE, I THINK A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ANYWAY ARE GONNA BE COMING IN OFF I 35 ARE GONNA BE COMING HERE TO SECOND AND COLD TRAIN AND COMING ON UP AND COMING THIS WAY.
AND IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG BOTTLENECK HERE, JUST GOING NORTHBOUND ONE, THE TWO SINGLE LANES THAT WE HAVE, THE KIND OF BOTTLENECK I PROBABLY WOULD WOULD, YOU KNOW, GO AROUND, MAYBE GO UP TO DANFORTH AND COME DOWN.
THE POINT IS THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE MANY TIMES ONCE THIS PARK GETS GOING, THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND PROBLEM HERE, WHICH IS, UH, CERTAINLY KNOWN TO EDMOND FOR, UH, UH, ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC CONGESTION THAT WE HAVE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED MORE, OR AT LEAST IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT, I THINK WE NEED TO, TO LOOK AT IT AND CONSIDER IT.
CUZ RANDALL SAID THIS IS A UNIQUE PROJECT.
IT'S A PARK, IT'S GONNA BE A PRIVATE PARK.
SO, UH, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ALL THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS ALL WORKED OUT TO WHERE WE CAN, UH, AT LEAST THEN WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSED IT IN GREAT DETAIL AND MADE IT AS PALATABLE AS WE COULD FOR THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN HUWI.
AND BY THE WAY, UP HERE AT HUWI, THERE'S MORE OF WICK UP IN HERE.
SO, UH, UH, AS I INDICATED IT IS THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHY, UH, THESE VARIANCES HAVE NOT BEEN TENDED TO BEFORE NOW, BUT, AND, AND I'LL JUST CLOSE BY SAYING I THINK RANDALL'S SAID THE CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA APPROVE THIS OR LOOK AT IT ANY WAY AND DO SOMETHING OR OTHER ON IT.
BUT I SUBMIT TO YOU, YOU ALL ARE IMPORTANT HERE.
YOU ALL NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT YOU SEND UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, UH, PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATS HAVE YOU APPROVED WITHOUT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND THERE'S NO RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS VERY UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND SEE ABOUT THESE VARIANCES AND COME BACK AT A LATER TIME WHEN WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
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YOU MR. DEE.WOULD ANY OTHER MEMBERS? YES SIR.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I LIVE AT 1 0 4 HANOVER DRIVE, UH, WHICH JUST BARELY TOUCHES THE EDGE OF THE PARK.
AND MR. FRENCH, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL.
AND IT'S SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.
AND WHAT, WHAT I SEE IN, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE VARIANCES THAT ARE PROPOSED.
I I'VE BEEN IN THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE A COUPLE TIMES, RYAN PROBABLY HAS BEEN, WHO IS THE, I I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS HERE THAT CAN HAPPEN FOR A CITY IS TO START BRANDING VARIANCES FOR THEMSELVES.
BUT THE NEXT DEVELOPER COMES IN HERE AND SAYS, HEY MAN, YOU GUYS GRANTED AN VARIANCE FOR YOURSELF.
YOU SAID YOU'D HOLD ONTO THAT STUFF DOWN THE ROAD HERE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE DEVELOPERS THAT COME IN HERE AND FOR THE OTHER LANDOWNERS AND FOR THE REST OF OUR CITIZENS THAT EXPECT THE CITY TO COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT WE'VE SET UP AND ESTABLISHED OVER MANY YEARS.
I THINK IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO TABLE THIS AS WE'VE REQUESTED, UM, UNTIL WE HAVE SOME, A CHANCE TO DOWN REVIEW.
I, I RECOGNIZE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE RELATIVELY SIMPLE TO RESOLVE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE EASEMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT GOING UP COAL TRAIN, WHILE WE COULD GRANT IT IN THE, THE FUTURE, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT GRADING OF THE PARK OUT OF THAT EASEMENT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE AND ADJUST THE PARK IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THAT EASEMENT AGREEMENT.
THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I JUST REALLY FEEL LIKE THE CITY OF EDMOND ALSO NEEDS TO, I, I RECOGNIZE, APPRECIATE THE STATEMENT THAT THAT OR HE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY ON ARTWORK FOR THE PROJECT, BUT THIS ROAD WORK HERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE WHOLE CITY.
AND I THINK THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND NEEDS TO FIND A WAY TO FINANCE AND FUND THAT AND DO IT PROPERLY SO THAT WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THIS 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR NEXT WEEK.
WOULD ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR AGAINST YES MA'AM.
IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD YES, MY NAME IS LIZ THOMAS.
WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR GOING ON 21 YEARS.
AND, UH, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY THRILLED THAT THIS PARK IS, I JUST WANNA THANK MR. FRENCH FOR HIS GENEROSITY, FOR HIS, UM, THOUGHTFULNESS AND HIS KINDNESS IN, IN GIFTING THIS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK TO PEOPLE FROM TOSSING, THEY GO, OH MAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE AT THE GATHERING PLACE.
WE'RE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT IN EDMOND.
AND, UM, HE, AND THE COUPLE OF INTERACTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH MR. FRENCH, HE'S BEEN NOTHING BUT KIND, GENEROUS, AND HE'S A MAN OF INTEGRITY AND THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO US.
SO EVERY DAY WE LOOK AT OUR, WE LIVE RIGHT? THE BARN IS RIGHT IN BACK OF OUR, UM, HOME.
AND WE LOOK OUT, OPEN THE BLINDS EVERY DAY AND, AND SAY, WHAT ARE THEY DOING TODAY? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, WE'RE LIKE LITTLE KIDS.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING? ARE THEY MOVING DIRT? ARE THEY PLANTING TREES? ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, WE ARE READY FOR THEM TO PROCEED AND GET ON WITH IT.
I LIVE IN THE PINK HOUSE THAT BACKS UP TO THE, TO THE PARK.
AND THE FIRST PLAN THAT WE SAW AFTER OUR TREES WERE REMOVED WAS A BIG BEAR OPEN SPACE.
WE DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THE BARN WAS THERE WHEN THE TREES ARE JERKED OUT.
AND THE ONLY PART OF THIS WHOLE THING THAT SCARED MY WIFE WAS WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS HAPPENING.
AS A HOMEOWNER, WHEN YOU INVEST IN EDMOND, YOU HOPE TO BE ABLE TO BUY A HOME, THAT IN THE FUTURE WE'D BE ABLE TO RESELL.
WELL, OUR ATTITUDES HAVE CHANGED BECAUSE WE LOVE THIS, BUT WHAT WE DON'T LIKE IS THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WILL BE CREATED IF THAT IS NOT STUDIED IN DEPTH.
AND IF THE CITY OF EDMOND IS NOT WILLING TO PICK UP.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE WIDENING OF DANFORTH ALL THE WAY.
SOUTH OF THAT INTERSECTION IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACES TO COME AT FOUR TO SIX O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS THAT.
IF YOU'RE OUT OF TOWN, YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT THAT RIGHT LANE DIES OUT.
THAT COAL TRAIN ALL THE WAY THROUGH IS A DISASTER.
AND THE CITY NEEDS TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE OR HAVE AT LEAST A COMMITMENT TO ADDRESS IT.
BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A MO ONE OF THE MOST WONDERFUL PROJECTS COMING IN THIS TOWN, BUT SOMEONE'S GONNA DIE THERE.
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AND IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT FOR EVERYBODY TO WAKE UP THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO THE COAL TRAIN, NOT JUST THERE.THE NEW CHURCH ENTRANCE ON THE COAL TRAIN JUST NORTH OF HUNT WICK IS A NIGHTMARE MANY NIGHTS OF THE WEEK.
AND SO I JUST THINK THAT THE ONLY THING THAT'S A, I SAW THIS TWO DAYS AGO, THE NEW VERSION, SO I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO REALLY STUDY IT, BUT I LOVE IT.
EXCEPT I THINK IT NEEDS A SECOND EXIT OUT THERE BECAUSE I'M AFRAID THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, UH, FOR THE AMBULANCE TO GET THROUGH AND THE PARKING.
AND IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL, THE FIRST PLAN I SAW HAD THIS DRAWN IN, AND I'M SURE IT'S THE COST OF PUTTING IN A BRIDGE AND THE OTHER ISSUES THAT COME UP THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S ALL BEING STUDIED BY THE, THE COMMITTEE HERE.
SO I, I AM TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, AND I THINK MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN, BUT IT'S BEEN A MYSTERY TO US CUZ WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GETTING READY TO HAPPEN.
YOU GO OUT THE NEXT DAY AND THEY'VE MOVED SOME MORE DIRT AND IT'S WONDERFUL WHEN YOU SEE IT FINALLY COMING TO WHERE WE CAN SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
AND I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT I THINK THE TRAFFIC ISSUE NEEDS TO BE THE BIGGEST RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE UP TO THE CITY.
AND IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE STUDIED.
IF YOU LIVED THERE, YOU WOULD KNOW, I DON'T CARE HOW, HOW STUDIED WE ARE OR HOW MUCH STUDY OR HOW MANY WE'VE DONE, BUT IF YOU LIVE THERE, YOU WILL KNOW THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.
AND THERE'S ISSUES ALL OVER THE CITY, I REALIZE.
TONY LETTY, UH, WE LIVE AT 2304 HANOVER DRIVE OR HANOVER LANE.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE INVOLVED AS A RETIRED CONTRACTOR IN THAT NEXT PHASE OF BEING ABLE TO TALK, BECAUSE AS A BOARD MEMBER, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE REST OF THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT AT THIS PERIOD OF TIME IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY NAME'S DAD O'NEILL AND UH, I LIVE ON 1 0 0 1 STONY TRAIL.
MY HOUSE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROJECT.
BEEN, UH, LIVING THERE FOR 40 YEARS.
AND RANDALL'S THE SAME DREAMS YOU HAD.
WE'RE SO PROUD OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UH, IT'S SOMETHING UNIQUE TO EDMOND.
AND, UM, PART OF THE, I WAS SORT OF SURPRISED THAT THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO DO ALL THE ROAD WORK.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THE COUNCIL WHEN I WAS THERE, I THINK MR. LAWRENCE, UH, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.
AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THEN THAT THEY SAID COL TRAINED AND FOUR LANE COLTRAIN WAS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS TO BE A CITY PROJECT.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR WAS THAT CORRECT OR HAS IT CHANGED? WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING TO DO A CITY PROJECT.
WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT WAS LISTED AS A PROJECT ON, ON THE AGENDA.
AND I WAS SURPRISED, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS THEY'RE GONNA FOUR-LANE THE ROAD RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
AND, UM, THE SECOND THING IS, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED BY THE GENTLEMAN, UM, ON THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT A BLOCK NORTH OR SOUTH OF, UH, COAL TRAIN ON COAL TRAIN WHERE WE ONLY HAVE, UH, THREE LANES OR TWO AND A HALF LANES OR WHATEVER THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
I'VE BEEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE IN THE CITY OF EDMOND FOR OVER 20 YEARS, THE VERY FIRST TIME.
AND, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF HALF COMPLETED STREETS IN OUR TOWN.
AND, UM, NOT THAT MANY OF 'EM HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, BUT THE POINT I'M THINKING IS SUGGESTING IS THE CITY OUGHT TO STEP UP AND DO THEIR PART ON THIS PROJECT AND FINISH THE ROAD AND BUILD IT BECAUSE THEY ARE EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE THE OWNERS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
DON'T ASK HIM TO DO A PART-TIME JOB HERE AND WASTE HIS MONEY ON THIS PROJECT, BUT HE'S SAVED FORWARD AND HAS A VISION FOR BUILDING A ROAD THAT YOU WERE GONNA TURN AROUND AND REDO LATER ON DOWN THE LINE.
LET'S LET THE CITY STEP UP THEIR PRIORITIES, LET'S LET THEM MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT FINISHES OUT THE ROAD THAT'S ALREADY ON OUR LIST AND HAS BEEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
AND I THINK IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIES, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THE CITY TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND ALLOW MR. FRENCH TO CONCENTRATE ON WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IN HERE AND BUILD HIS VISION FOR UNCOMMON GROUND.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR, AGAINST THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME?
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GOOD EVENING, JEFF.IT'S AT THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THAT MAP.
I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS ECHOING THE CONCERNS OF GENTLEMEN PREVIOUS, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND THE TRAFFIC CONCERN IS THE MAJOR ONE BECAUSE IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE JUST THAT ONE CHURCH FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES, YOU CANNOT TURN LEFT INTO WICK AND YOU CANNOT TURN THE LEFT OUT OF HUNT WICK.
AND SO WITH THIS MUCH ADDITIONAL PARKING THERE IS, I, I DON'T SEE A WAY WHERE ANY VARIANCE WITHOUT THE SUPPORTIVE INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS ALREADY A PROBLEM WITHOUT THIS, CAN GO FORWARD AND HAVE THIS PART BE SUCCESSFUL.
BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T GET TO IT, NO ONE'S GONNA WANT TO USE IT.
AND THEN EVERYONE THAT LIVES UP HERE IS ALREADY DEALING WITH THIS FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A FOUR LANE ROAD AND IT SHOULD BE.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T AWARE, JUST SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER OF THE SCREEN, THERE IS A INSTANCE WHERE ON THE EAST SIDE IT GOES FROM TWO LANES OR FROM FOUR LANES TO TWO LANES, OPENS BACK UP TO FOUR LANES FOR ABOUT 40 FEET AND THEN CLOSES BACK INTO TWO LANES AND THEN OPENS BACK UP INTO FOUR LANES.
SO WHENEVER THERE'S AN ACCIDENT OF THE INTERSTATE AND PEOPLE COME OFF OF THE FIRST TIME AND GET ON COLD TRAIN, YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN SUVS GOING, HEY, THIS RIGHT LANE IS WIDE OPEN AND THEY'RE DOING 50 AGAINST FOUR MILES OF STUCK TRAFFIC AND THEN TRYING TO SQUEEZE IN AT THE LAST MINUTE OR RUNNING OVER THE, UH, THE GRASS AREAS THAT ARE NOT PAVED.
SO THERE IS A GIANT INFRASTRUCTURE I WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO DO THEIR PART JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS SUGGESTED AND FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, GREAT PROJECT.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST? UH, MY NAME'S JEREMY HARRIS.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY HOW EXCITED ME AND MY FAMILY ARE ABOUT THIS, THIS PROJECT.
I, WE WERE ALWAYS NERVOUS ABOUT BEING IN APARTMENTS AND THE FACT THAT THIS PARK'S GOING IN, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE MAYBE THE CITY'S, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN AND WIDEN THAT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN JUST MENTIONED, THERE ARE ACCIDENTS ON I 35 PRETTY REGULARLY AND WE'RE ONE MILE FROM THE INTERSTATE.
SO EVERYBODY COMES OVER TO COAL TRAIN AND HAS THEY GO UP COAL TRAIN? WELL, LIKE THEY SAID, IT'S, IT'S JUST BASICALLY MAYBE 20 FEET OF A TURN LANE AND THEN IT JUST CLOSES OFF RIGHT WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS TO THIS PARK.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO WAY YOU COULD GET IN OR OUT OF THAT PARK DURING ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND IT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES A MONTH.
UM, MY SECOND CONCERN IS THERE'S BEEN NO TALK ABOUT THE NOISE WITH REGARD TO, UM, THE, THE AMPHITHEATER THING THAT FACES TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO BEFORE ANYTHING'S APPROVED, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER ENGINEER LOOK AT THIS TRAFFIC SITUATION.
UM, AND THEN SOME MORE, UH, CLARIFICATION WITH REGARD TO LANGUAGE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF THIS WILL GET DONE OR WE WILL REVIEW THIS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING.
AND SO, UM, I JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT.
AND, UM, I JUST CAN'T SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT A WIDENING OF THAT LANE.
UM, WITH 440 PARKING SPOTS AND ONLY ONE ENTRANCE, THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE TWO, ONE GOING OUT THE SECOND STREET UP BY THE APARTMENTS.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THIS PARK.
IT'S NOTHING AGAINST THE PARK AT ALL.
IT'S MORE JUST ABOUT, UM, THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING OUT OF THE PARK.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE PROJECT? SEEING NONE, WOULD THE CARE, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ISSUES RAISED? YES.
UM, WE APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC'S INPUT ON THIS AND A LOT OF THIS IS VERY GOOD INFORMATION.
UM, UH, AND WE AGREE COMPLETELY, LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LOT OF THESE ISSUES ADDRESSED.
UM, AND I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION.
THE PARK'S NOT EVEN THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION.
SO THESE ARE NOT PROBLEMS CAUSED BY THE PARK AND THE WAY TRAFFIC WORKS.
UH, THIS IS THE BEST DEVELOPMENT YOU COULD HAVE IN AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
IF ANYTHING ELSE WERE TO GO INTO THIS AREA, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CAUSE, UH, A LOT MORE PROBLEMS. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WIND COLD TRAIN OR NOT.
UH, THE WAY THE TRAFFIC WORKS ON A PARK LIKE THIS IS
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THE, UH, PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC AND THE AM P HOUR AND THE EVENING PEAK HOUR.AND I'VE HEARD OF A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT TRAFFIC COMING OFF THE INTERSTATE DURING RUSH HOUR.
YOU MAY SEE 10 CARS OUT ON THE SITE LIKE THIS EVEN THOUGH IT HAS 444 PARKING SPACES.
PARKS ARE, THEY DON'T DRAW A LOT OF CROWDS DURING PEAK HOURS.
IT TENDS TO BE ON WEEKENDS ESPECIALLY OR WHEN THEY'RE SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO, UM, EVEN WHEN THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE SECOND OF CONNECTION DOWN TO, UH, SECOND STREET ON THE WEST SIDE, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S, IT'S STILL PART OF THE PROJECT IN THE FUTURE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A MATTER OF FUNDING, SO THAT'S BEING WORKED OUT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
AND HOW IS WORKING SPECIFICALLY WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO GET EASEMENT SO THAT THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT ISSUES.
SO THIS PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD, UH, AND WE WORK THAT OUT TODAY AS FAR AS GETTING LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS TO DEDICATE A CERTAIN AREA TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION THE FUTURE, HOW I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT CONNECTION.
UH, IT'S A MATTER OF COST, UM, TRANSPORTATION AND, BUT AGAIN, TO REITERATE, UH, SPECIFIC, THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WILL NOT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION AT SECOND.
AND COLTRANE, YOU'LL SEE SEVERAL THOUSAND VEHICLES GO THROUGH THERE IN AN HOUR.
UH, AND WITH 444 PARKING STALLS, YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE 444 TRIPS WITHIN AN HOUR FROM THIS PARK DURING SOME PEAK TIME.
BUT THAT PEAK TIME WILL NOT BE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE PEAK OF THE INTERSECTION.
THAT PEAK TIME WILL HAPPEN SOME OF THE TIME WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS NOT SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF VEHICLES AT THE, THE INTERSECTION OF SECOND CONTROL TRAIN, BUT HALF OF THAT NUMBER.
SO WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS, WHEREVER YOU SEE THE MOST TRAFFIC LEAVING THIS SITE, IT WILL NOT BE DURING RUSH HOUR.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM THOUGH.
WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I'VE DONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TRACK STUDIES I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 23 YEARS NOW.
AND, UH, THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CASE OF A WASTE OF A TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE IT WILL TELL US WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW.
UH, WE WILL WASTE MONEY AND TIME ON A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WILL TELL US THIS DOES NOT IMPACT PEAK HOUR, WHICH IS A TYPICAL STUDY FOR, UH, FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND I'M SURE PRETTY MUCH ALL THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT, UH, THE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA, WHICH ARE VALID AND WE SHARE THOSE CONCERNS ARE ABOUT PEAK HOUR ISSUES.
UH, AND SOME OF THE THINGS WIDENING COLD TRAIN WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T FIX A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES.
IT WOULD STILL HAPPEN, UH, BECAUSE WE WOULD JUST BE WIDENING COLD TRAIN ON THE, THE EAST OR THE WEST SIDE.
SORRY, IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO WIDEN ON THE EAST SIDE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES THERE.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE ARE SEEKING THE, THE VARIANCE.
ALSO, WE'VE, THERE'S SOME ISSUE ABOUT THE, THE SINGLE ENTRANCE.
THIS IS, AGAIN, TO REITERATE WHAT MARK WAS SAYING, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, RUN THROUGH WITH FIRE AND THE EMERGENCY SERVICES AND THEY APPROVE THIS LAYOUT.
UH, AND THERE'S BEEN NO COMMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT THAT.
WE WORKED, UH, QUITE A BIT WITH THEM.
WE HAD TO ADDRESS SOME GREAT ISSUES, SOME LANE WIDTH ISSUES, FIRE HYDRANT LOCATIONS.
WE'VE WORKED THROUGH ALL THAT.
UM, ANYWAYS, THAT'S, I THINK MARK WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW THINGS.
WELL, I THINK I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLOSE WITH, UH, WE ARE ASKING TO MOVE THIS ON TO CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT.
UH, AND I WOULD MAYBE DEFER TO STAFF OR LEGAL, I THINK GIVEN THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES AND THE CONCERNS, UH, AND MAYBE THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THIS COMMISSION, UH, I THINK WE MIGHT ASK THAT YOU VOTE ON THE PROJECT AND THE SITE PLAN AND THEN MAYBE TAKE EACH VARIANCE AS A SEPARATE, UH, VOTE, IF THAT MAKES YOU MORE COMFORTABLE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS ON WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I DID, RANDY, ONE OTHER ITEM I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THE VARIANCE TO THE OPENING WITH, UH, OF OUR MAIN ENTRANCE.
UH, I, I THINK THE STAFF REPORT REFERENCED THAT IT'LL BE, IT SHOULD BE NO GREATER THAN 35 FEET WIDE.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, TAKE A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WITH A BOULEVARD STYLE ENTRANCE, THAT DRIVE OPENING IS WIDER.
AND THE CODE, WHAT IT SEEKS TO DO IS NARROW A DRIVE OPENING.
UH, I THINK, UH, ELIMINATE PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS, UH, ELIMINATE DRIVER CONFUSION.
WHEN YOU HAVE A BOULEVARD, THAT OPENING TENDS TO BE WIDER.
WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE, UH, ENTRY HERE WITH A VERY WIDE MEDIAN AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A MUCH WIDER OPENING THAN TYPICAL.
AND SO ON THAT ONE, UH, I KNOW IT WASN'T DISCUSSED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY POTENTIAL CONCERNS THAT ANYONE HAS, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL, UH, REQUESTS THAT WAS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DISCUSSED.
DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THEY WISH TO MAKE IN REGARD TO THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC AND WE HEAR TRAFFIC.
EVERY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, I'VE YET TO HEAR ONE THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD.
I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
MY, MY FAMILY WE'RE A THIRD GENERATION FAMILY FROM HERE.
UM, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS HAVE THE WIDENING OF THAT BEFORE THIS
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PROJECT HAPPENS.I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDS YET.
THE C I P COMMITTEE IS FULLY FUNDED FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LONG LIST OF ROAD TRUCK PROJECTS THAT'S ALSO ON THERE.
UM, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY ON IT.
DAN'S MENTIONED IT, YOU KNOW, AND DAN AND I DON'T DISAGREE OR DON'T AGREE ALL THE TIME ON, ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE WIDENING IN THIS AND THE ROADS ARE A PROBLEM IN THIS CITY.
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS AN IDEAL TIME FOR THIS CITY TO START TALKING ABOUT GEO BOND FOR ROAD PROJECTS.
AND SO I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS, IN THIS ROOM WHO'S HERE TALKING ABOUT ROAD PROJECTS IS CERTAINLY START THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE GET THESE ROAD PROJECTS? AND I THINK A GEO BOND IS GONNA BE THE WAY TO GO.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT THAT AND WHEN YOU START HEARING A CAMPAIGN TO START REALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I WANNA GO BACK TO THIS PROJECT AND HOW I REALLY DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE AND I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC PROJECT.
VERY NE VERY UNIQUE TO THE CITY.
I'M HIGHLY INVOLVED IN YOUTH SPORTS AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET YOUTH FIELDS IN EDNA FOR A LONG TIME CUZ WE'RE MISSING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THIS CITY BECAUSE OF OUR NEGLECT OF OUR YOUTH FIELDS.
AND SO TO HAVE SOMEBODY STEP UP AND DO A RECREATIONAL PARK, FANTASTIC.
I'D SAY IT'S A NOT A FIRST CUZ ME AND DAN O'NEAL AGREED ON SOMETHING TONIGHT.
UM, I WANT TO MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, BUT DO WANNA VOICE MY CONCERN, UM, TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT I WISH THAT THEY WOULD MAKE A COMMITMENT TO, TO UM, EXTEND A FOUR LANE NORTH.
I AND MY UH, UM, RECOMMENDATION IS WITH ALL OTHER VARIANCES.
SO, ON CASE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON CASE NUMBER S P 22 DASH 0 0 0 48 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF THE SITE PLAN FOR UNCOMMON GROUND SCULPTURE PARK? YES.
THAT IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ONE.
THAT WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON FIVE EIGHT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON CASE NUMBER PR 22 DASH ZERO FOUR PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE UNCOMMON GROUND SCULPTURE PART.
SECOND THAT IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ONE AND IT WILL AGAIN GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MAY THE EIGHTH.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON CASE NUMBER P R P R 22 DASH 0 0 41, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR UNCOMMON GROUND SCULPTURE PARK? THIS CAN BE APPROVE SECOND AND THAT IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ONE.
IT WILL AGAIN GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MAY THE EIGHTH.
IT IS MY HOPE WHEN IT GETS THERE THAT SOME OF THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
[D. Case #PR21-00007 Public Hearing and Consideration of an extension of the Preliminary Plat for Walnut Creek, located on the west side of Post Road, north of Coffee Creek Road. (Woodland Park Edmond, LLC) (Ward 2)]
TO THE NEXT ITEM, CASE NUMBER PR 21 DASH 0 0 0 0 7 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN EXTENSION OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR WALNUT CREEK LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF POST ROAD, NORTH OF COFFEE CREEK WOODLAND PARK.IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT CLEAR AFTER
WELL I'M YOU, WERE YOU, WERE, YOU WERE NODDING YOUR HEAD.
ARE YOU WITH WALNUT IS? NO, THAT'S MARK IS.
SO AGAIN, OKAY, RANDY, AS YOU SAID, THIS IS JUST AN EXTENSION OF A PRELIMINARY PLANT PLAT.
PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL EXPIRES AFTER TWO YEARS.
THE FINAL PLAT HAS NOT BEEN APPLIED FOR, UH, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF REMINDING YOU, THE PLAT IS 95 ACRES AND HAS 291 LOTS, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH OF COFFEE CREEK ROAD, WEST OF POST ROAD.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, MARK.
IT'S OUT WITH JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ADDRESS IS ONE SHARED AND AVENUE.
UH, SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A RENEWAL OF THIS.
UH, THERE'S CONTRACT LANGUAGE THAT'S, UH, CAUSED A DELAY IN THIS.
UH, THERE'S A TIMING ISSUE IN TERMS OF WHEN THIS CAN GO UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO WE BELIEVE, UH, THIS YEAR WILL BE KICKED OFF ON
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FINAL PLANS.UM, IT IS POSSIBLE BASED ON THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE TO ASK FOR ONE ADDITIONAL EXTENSION.
AGAIN, WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, UH, BECAUSE OF OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA THAT THE SELLER HAD OWNED, THERE WERE CONTINGENCIES ON WHEN DEVELOPMENT COULD KICK OFF TO AVOID CONFLICTS AND, AND HOME SALES AND OTHER MINUTIA THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT.
BUT, UH, WE WOULD ASK, UH, FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS EXTENSION AT THIS TIME, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SCENE? NONE.
ANY COMMENTS BY STAFF MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND IT ENDS HERE TONIGHT.
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM SEVEN, NEW BUSINESS SCENE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? MOTION SECOND.
FIRST WITNESS PART TO COME THROUGH WHEN YOU WELL IT IS NICE TO MEET YOU BECAUSE OF THAT'S RIGHT CUZ EVERYTHING ELSE IS WRITING RIGHT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S MEDIUM STATE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA START UNO DOSE TRACE, PLEASE COME UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
WE NEED, SINCE YOU HAVE ON THE OH, I CAN TAKE IT OFF.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF, MA'AM.
WOULD YOU, WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU THROUGH THE ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME UP HERE.
UM, I, MY NAME IS JULIE MAUSER AND I OWN PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THE, UM, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND I WILL SAY THAT, UM, TODD GK AND, UM, MR. CLAY, IRON COLE, OH IRON CLAY COAL IRON HAVE BEEN VERY, UM, VERY GOOD AT WORKING WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND THE CONCERNS FOR BOTH HAWKS LANDING AND UM, THOMAS TRAIL THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS SINCE THIS WAS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING INITIALLY TO, YOU KNOW, HEAR THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THIS, THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN PROPERTY THAT WAS TO THE WEST OF US.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
I KNOW THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE HAD CONCERNS.
THEY'VE WORKED WITH US VERY WELL WITH THAT.
MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW ARE TWO, ONE IS THE, UM, AREA TO THE EAST IN THE THOMAS TRAIL AREA, UM, OFF OF, UH, OREGON TRAIL.
THERE'S A PARK RIGHT THERE, UM, FOR THE AREA.
AND I THINK THAT'S VERY CONCERNING TO PEOPLE AND FAMILIES THAT ARE USING THAT PARK.
UM, TO HAVE EXCESS TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO, COULD POTENTIALLY GO TO THE E OR TO THE WEST INTO THAT AREA.
AND MY OTHER CONCERN IS IN THE, UM, P U D FOUR, I BELIEVE IT IS UP THERE AT THE TOP WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT, UM, THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
IF YOU LOOK TO THE NORTH OF THAT, WHERE THEY HAVE THE, UH, APARTMENTS, I'M JUST GONNA SAY APARTMENTS CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE, UM, TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
THOSE ARE THREE STORY APARTMENTS, BUT THEY SIT WELL BELOW THE, UM, LEVEL OF THE, UM, ROAD THERE.
AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOUR STORY, IF YOU LOOK, IT'S GONNA BE EXCEEDING THE HEIGHT OF THE UTILITY LINES THERE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT, UM, AS AN INITIAL, BUT THAT'S IT.
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, MA'AM.
HI, I'M CAROLYN WHITE MUHOLLAND.
I LIVE AT EIGHT 10 HAWTHORNE PLACE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY I CAN TALK TO EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WHEN I SEE YOU ALL HERE, MY NERVES JUST GET TO ME.
UM, I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 1905 RYAN WAY IN WESTBORO.
AND, UM, IT, WE LIVE AT THE, IF YOU PUT
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UP THE MAP, WE'RE BY, RIGHT BY THE CITY PARK.ANYWAY, I'M GONNA DO THIS REAL QUICK CUZ I'VE WROTE A LOT.
SO WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR 35 YEARS.
UM, THERE WERE NO HOUSES TO THE SOUTHEAST OF US, NO HOUSES.
BASICALLY WE LIVED IN A FIELD.
THERE WERE NO, THERE WAS NO HAWKS LANDING.
WESTBORO HADN'T BEEN FULLY DEVELOPED.
UM, WHEN MY HUBBY MOVED TO MEADOW LAKES IN 1974, THERE WAS NO WESTBORO, JUST A FOUR-WAY STOP ON KELLY AND DANFORTH AND A SPOOKY OLD HOUSE.
THE ONLY THING IN EDMOND THAT IS CONSTANT IS CHANGE.
AND I AM SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT, I WOULDN'T HAVE RAISED TWO BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN IN WESTBORO.
I WOULDN'T HAVE MADE GREAT FRIENDS IN THOMAS TRAILS AND IN HAWKS LANDING.
EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING SAID ABOUT COVET CORNER, AT LEAST WHAT I HEARD AT THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, WAS SAID ABOUT THE EMPTY FIELDS OF THOMAS TRAILS AND OF HAWKS LANDING.
AND THESE ARE NOW BEAUTIFUL HOMES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN.
AND I KNOW YOU HOW GUYS HAVE NO CONTROL OVER SCHOOLS, BUT SCHOOL CROWDING.
WHEN MY KIDS WENT TO JOHN ROSS, THERE WERE 32 TO 35 STUDENTS PER CLASS.
AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM KNOWS WHAT'S COMING IN.
THEY PREPARE FOR IT, AND WE ALL SURVIVE AND WE THRIVE.
UM, WE WERE, THERE WAS FEAR ABOUT REDISTRICTING.
WE GOT REDISTRICT INTO CHEYENNE.
MY OLDER DAUGHTER WENT TO SEQUOIA, UM, THE SIDEWALKS TO GET THE KIDS TO JOHN ROSS.
UM, THEY COME IN MY CUL-DE-SAC WHEN MY CUL-DE-SAC CITY PROPERTY CALLED A SACK.
AND WE DEALT WITH ALL THAT TRAFFIC.
BUT WE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOLS AND WE WORKED WITH THE CITY AND WE, AND IT IMPROVED.
UM, OKAY, LET ME JUST KEEP GOING.
WE HAD LESS TRAFFIC BEFORE THOMAS TRAILS AND HAWKS LANDING WAS DEVELOPED.
IT WAS PEACEFUL, IT WAS QUIET.
WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY SWEET.
BUT NOW THOSE EMPTY FIELDS ARE DEVELOPED WITH BEAUTIFUL HOMES, EVEN IF IT HAS INCREASED TRAFFIC CRIME.
I SAW NO INCREASE IN CRIME WHEN THOMAS TRAILS AND HAWKS LANDING WAS DEVELOPED.
STEVE AND I BEGAN OUR MARRIED LIFE AND APARTMENTS.
WE HAD OUR FIRST DAUGHTER IN APARTMENT.
ADULT CHILDREN NEED APARTMENTS, RETIRED PEOPLE NEED APARTMENTS.
AND I THINK THE APARTMENTS NOT BEING GARDEN STYLE, BUT BEING WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS A BETTER USE OF SPACE.
YOU SEE THESE APARTMENTS MORE, UM, IN DEVELOPING AREAS IN CALIFORNIA AND UTAH.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO BE CALIFORNIA OR UTAH, BUT IT'S JUST IS A BETTER USE OF SPACE.
UM, I ALSO HEARD THIS THING ABOUT SECTION EIGHT HOUSING, WHICH EDMOND HAS, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT SECTION EIGHT'S HOUSING, WHICH IS BUILDING THE BUFFER.
I NEVER THOUGHT A 70 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE I'M LIVING WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
I I MEAN THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT PEOPLE USED TO DO IN EDMOND.
I MEAN, THEY BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
THE TREE PRESERVATION IS GREAT.
WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS HAVE PASSED A WONDERFUL BECAUSE OF YOU ALL.
UM, TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE THAT 20 YEARS AGO WAS NOT POSSIBLE.
WE DON'T ENCOURAGE THE PER THE PRESERVATION OF INVASIVE SPECIES, CUZ I KNOW THERE'S SOME WORRIED ABOUT THE, WHAT ARE THOSE CALLED? THE RED CEDARS.
I SHOULD KNOW THESE THINGS OR THOSE BRADFORD PAIRS.
UM, THE URBAN FORESTRY DEPARTMENT WILL BE VERY ACTIVE IN THE PRESERVATION OF THE TREES THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND THE TREES THAT SHOULDN'T BE PRESERVED.
UM, I AM VERY THANKFUL FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
STEVE AND I OFTEN JOKED WHEN THAT FIELD WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
HE AND I WERE GONNA MOVE BECAUSE ALL WE COULD SEE IS WHAT BARRY MOORE SAID AT THE COMMISSION ME, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT A THOUSAND HOUSES COULD BE PUT IN THERE.
AND SO THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER.
I DON'T LIKE THE MISS CAMP MIXED CAMPUS NAME.
I THOUGHT MAYBE A CHURCH CAMPUS OR VO-TECH WAS GOING IN THERE.
WHAT'S GOING ON? UM, YOU GUYS NEED A BETTER NAME, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, MIXED, USED, USED URBAN LIVING.
SOMETHING THAT BETTER CAPTURES WHAT AN INTERESTING NEW CONCEPT IS.
THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY.
I WILL LOVE TO WALK TO THE NEW COMMERCIAL.
I'M HOPING FOR NEW RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE APARTMENTS WITH NEW FAMILIES AND YOUNG PEOPLE AND RETIRED COUPLES.
I LOVE THE CONCEPT OF THE TOWNHOMES AND THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND A SECTION FOR SENIORS, WHICH I MAY BE LOOKING AT MOVING THERE CUZ IT'S MY AREA OF THE WOODS.
UM, WE LIVE IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY.
LANDOWNERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL AND DEVELOP THEIR LAND
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AND OBTAIN THE HIGHEST AND BEST PROFIT THEY CAN.ANYONE WHO LIVES IN EDMOND MUST BE AWARE THEY ARE CURRENTLY LIVING ON LAND THAT WAS A FIELD, UNDEVELOPED LAND, HOMESTEAD LAND.
AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME WHEN IT'S DEVELOPED.
I'M VERY THANKFUL TO THE SAWYER FAMILY FOR CREATING THEIR LEGACY FROM THEIR LAND.
AND I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THE CREATIVE USE OF THE LAND.
AND HOPE ONCE WE GET PAST SPHERE, WE CAN SEE WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AND UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT COVE CORNER IS AND WHAT A GREAT ASSET IT WILL BE TO EDMOND, WHICH IS ALWAYS A GREAT PLACE TO GROW.
YOUR SOUND SYSTEM WORKS GREAT, BY THE WAY.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
MY NAME IS LARRY SCOTT, 1404 WOODBURY CIRCLE.
MA'AM, YOU WERE, DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING IT.
AND SIR, YOU DID A GREAT JOB DOING YOUR, WITH YOUR PLANNING.
I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THOUGH, AS A FORMER SCHOOL TEACHER, 10 YEARS IN EDMOND, OKLAHOMA AS A TEACHER, I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET, UH, YOU'VE GOT 24 KIDS IN YOUR CLASS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT 30.
SO I'M ASKING THE QUESTION HERE IS WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN DO YOU EXPECT TO BE LIVING IN THIS? AND WHAT SCHOOLS DO THEY GO TO? AND THE QUESTION THEN IS, ARE THOSE SCHOOLS PREPARED FOR THESE NEW KIDS COMING IN BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE TEACHERS AND IT AFFECTS THE OTHER STUDENTS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHAT IS THE SCHOOLS THEY GO TO AND WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE SCHOOLS AND HOW MANY STUDENTS DO THEY ALREADY HAVE? AND THAT'S MY MAJOR CONCERN.
NOW LET'S GO, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE WHERE THE SENIOR CITIZEN, UH, SENIOR CITIZENS LOCATED IN THAT BUILDING? AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S RIGHT HERE IN INSTEAD THE LIGHT BLUE IN THE CORNER.
IS THAT A MAJOR HIGHWAY TO YOUR RIGHT AND FRONT? THE BOTTOM AND THE LEFT, UH, RIGHT HERE.
IS THAT A HIGHWAY AND A HIGHWAY? SO WE'RE BOXED IN.
WE ONLY HAVE AN AREA TO MOVE INTO, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK I'VE GOT AN INTERIM AFTER YOU GET DONE.
WELL, I JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FOR SENIORS NOW, SIR, IF YOU CAN COME BACK OVER TO THE MICROPHONE.
IT'S GREAT, BUT HOW ARE WE GONNA GET AROUND TO ALL THOSE THINGS? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
IF YOU'RE IN WHEELCHAIRS OR YOU'RE IN ONE OF THESE AND WE'VE GOT ALL THESE TRAILS AND STUFF, HOW DO WE GET AND WHERE'S THE PARKING FOR THE SENIORS IN THIS? AND AGAIN, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PARK CLOSE TO THAT SO WE CAN GET AROUND AND IF WE'RE GONNA WALK, ARE THEY CAPABLE FOR SENIORS TO GET TO ALL THESE LOCATIONS? THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AND A GREAT THING IF Y'ALL GOT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP MA'AM.
AND IF YOU HAVE TRIED TO PLAN, MY POINT IS, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS GOING TO OUR SCHOOLS OR ARE THE SCHOOLS PREPARED FOR IT.
NUMBER TWO IS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SENIORS AND THEN HOW WE GONNA GET AROUND IN THIS THING.
PLEASE COME DOWN, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
MY NAME IS MEREDITH LEWIS AND I LIVE AT 4 53 BUTTERFIELD TRAIL ON THE EAST, UH, UH, EASEMENT THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THOMAS TRAILS HOA.
UH, I SAID THIS BEFORE, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN IN THE LAST MEETING, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE OVER ABUNDANCE MORE THAN YOU SHOULD HAVE TO.
I MEAN, THEY ORGANIZED A SEPARATE MEETING WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, ONE-ON-ONE AND THEN THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ZONING COMMISSION.
AND THEY, THEY REALLY HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.
AND I AGREE WITH HER AS WELL THAT, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS.
UH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN.
I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUFFERS AND, UH, LIKE SHE POINTED OUT THE, THE EASE THAT THE STUB, UM, POINTERS UP THERE.
IS THAT THE STUB RIGHT THERE? STAND BY THE BLUE.
THE BLUE AND THE TAN DOWN HERE.
UH, IN AGREEMENT WITH HER, THERE IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK RIGHT THERE.
SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, ALLOWING ACCESS RIGHT BY THE PARK.
I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAIL AND SAFETY.
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UM, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE CEDAR TREES AND THE BRADFORD PEAR TREES, WHICH, UM, DIDN'T THE CITY OF EDMOND JUST PUBLIC PU UH, PUBLICIZED SOMETHING ABOUT CEDAR TREES BEING A FIRE HAZARD? AM I INCORRECT? I'M SURE WE HAVE SAID THAT MANY TIMES.UM, TALK ABOUT THOSE RESPECT TREES.
UM, I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT THE APARTMENTS, BUT I CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
THE SCHOOL CROWDING IS A CONCERN.
THE CRIMES, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST THIS BIG AREA, NOT, NOT SPECIFICALLY THOMAS TRAILS OR ANYTHING, BUT, UH, NORTH EDMOND HAS SEEN A LOT OF CRIME.
I I GET POSTS ALL THE TIME FROM NEXT DOOR SAYING MY CAR'S BEEN BROKEN INTO, MY CAR'S BEEN STOLEN, YOU KNOW, AND I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN, UM, THE TRAFFIC, UH, AND LET'S SEE, OUR ARE BOTH OF THE GREEN BELTS, THEY'RE BOTH 70 FEET, NO ONE'S 70 FEET AND ONE'S 50 FEET.
SO OUR SIDE IS 50 FEET AND THEN THIS SIDE IS 70 FEET.
I COULD WE NOT JUST MAKE IT 70 ALL AROUND? I THINK HE'S ADDRESSED THAT, BUT I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN IN MY NOTES.
SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT.
UM, WE HAVE A, OH, I WAS GONNA STEAL HIS LITTLE PEN.
UM, WE HAVE A PATHWAY FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN HERE, UH, THAT LEADS FROM THOMAS TRAILS TO JOHN ROSS.
AND THAT TRAIL IS FOR THOMAS TRAILS ONLY.
WE'VE PUT UP SIGNS AND IT'S CAUSED SO MUCH TRAFFIC BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD, INSTEAD OF WAITING IN LINE TO GO DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AT SCHOOL, THEY WOULD CUT THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AND LET THEM WALK THROUGH THE, THE BREEZEWAY.
UH, WE HAVE SINCE CORRECTED THAT.
LIKE I SAID, WE PUT UP NO TRESPASSING SIGNS.
AND THEN JOHN ROSS HAS BEEN EXTREMELY COOPERATIVE.
UM, THE KIDS THAT HAVE A RIGHT TO GO THROUGH THE BREEZEWAY HAVE SPECIAL, UH, TAGS LIKE RED OR I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CONCERN OF PEOPLE COMING AND USING OUR COMMUNITY FOR, FOR PURPOSE PURPOSES THAT DON'T SERVE THEM.
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOUR OPINION BACK.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE? WOULD APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE? I I THINK I'LL MENTION A COUPLE THINGS.
I THINK I DID A POOR JOB OF EXPLAINING ONE OF THE ITEMS. AND, UH, MRS. MUHOLLAND IS NOT RELATED TO ME.
UH, SHE DID, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS BECAUSE THIS SO RARELY HAPPENS IS THE DAY AFTER PLANNING COMMISSION, SHE CALLED MY OFFICE AND SHE BASICALLY LEFT THE VOICEMAIL THAT SOUNDED SIMILAR TO THAT.
AND I MADE A POINT OF NOT CALLING HER BACK.
CAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE I WAS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MANIPULATE OR INFLUENCE OR ANYTHING.
AND SO I THANK YOU, UH, FOR BEING HERE.
I MEAN, IT'S UH, IT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL.
JUST LIKE SOMEONE DONE TO COME UP HERE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE FOR 50 YEARS, BY THE WAY, TOO.
UH, THE C UH, THE PA SEVEN, THE SENIOR, THAT IS A SENIOR HOUSING PROJECT.
IT'S NOT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I SAID THIS.
IT'S, IT'S A DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, UH, THAT'S GATED AND THAT IS DRIVEN TOWARDS THAT MARKET.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID THAT.
SO, UH, IT'S NOT REALLY PARKING AS THOUGH A COMMUNITY CENTER LIKE WE HAVE LIKE AT THE MAC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THE CONNECTIVITY FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THERE WILL BE MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD EXPECT INTRA DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT TO GET TO THE OTHER SERVICES AND OFFERINGS THAT EXIST WITHIN THAT PROJECT.
SO, UH, AND THAT'LL BE ADA ACCESSIBLE THROUGHOUT THE BY LAW, RIGHT? I MEAN BY YES SIR.
UH, TOUCHMARK IS THREE PLUS STORIES.
IT SITS A LOT HIGHER UP IN ELEVATION THAN THIS.
SO IT'S NOT WITHOUT PRECEDENT IN THIS QUARTER CORRIDOR.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T PUT IT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE EAST PROPERTY LINE FOR REASONS OF SEPARATION FOR THAT.
THE IDEA ABOUT THE BUFFER, IT WASN'T JUST AN ARBITRARY 50 VERSUS 70.
UH, THE CONCEPT WAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY BUFFER WHATSOEVER.
IF YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY, THERE'S NO SENSITIVE BORDER
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REQUIREMENT.AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TRY TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT IDEA AND THEN GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT HAS EVER BEEN REQUIRED.
AND ALSO WE NEED SOME TREE PRESERVATION AS WELL.
SO IT MADE SENSE TO PUT IT ON THE EXTERNAL, UH, FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND SO, UH, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SCHOOLS EXCEPT WHAT MRS. MUHALLEN SAID IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM KNOWS WELL WHAT THE LAND USE PLANS ARE FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.
THAT'S NOT ANY NEWS TO ANYBODY IN HERE.
AND THEY MONITOR THIS ABOUT AS MUCH AS ANYBODY.
AND SO, UH, TODD, CAN I GO INTO THAT FOR A SECOND THOUGH? YEAH.
BECAUSE WE DON'T ALWAYS GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND IT, AND IT DOES MATTER WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS MUCH LAND AND, AND THE, THE HOME THAT'S, THAT'S GOING IN THERE AND WHAT THE DATA AND STATISTICS TELL US IN, WE KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE LIGHT BLUE AREA, UM, 55 PLUS OR SENIOR TYPE HOUSING.
YOU CAN'T EXPECT MANY IF ANY SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN COMING FROM THERE IN THE YELLOW.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, TOWN HOMES, WHICH I WOULD, I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS, UH, IS, UH, LESS SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN IN A TOWN HOME STATISTICALLY THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAN YOUR AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UH, THE APARTMENTS WE, WE KNOW FOR SURE, UH, ONE AND TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS DON'T GENERATE THAT MANY SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN, UH, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH APARTMENTS AND THEY'RE NOT FAMILIES THAT ARE LIVING IN THEM.
SO IF YOU, I MEAN, REALLY IF, IF YOU COMPARED THE POTENTIAL OF A THOUSAND HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH YOU COULD, I'D BE WILLING TO BET 80 TO 90% OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, IS GONNA PRODUCE A, A SCHOOL-AGED CHILD AT SOME POINT IN COMPARISON TO APARTMENT OR TOWN HOME OR 55 PLUS.
UM, I, I MEAN, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER OF WHICH ONE WOULD PRODUCE MORE KIDS.
I I CAN JUST GIVE YOU THE EDMONDS SCHOOL SYSTEM STATISTICS.
UH, THE EDMOND SCHOOL SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, NOT JUST THE CITY OF EDMOND CITY LIMITS AVERAGES, UH, 16 SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN PER 100 DEPARTMENT UNITS.
BY COMPARISON, A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AVERAGES 64 CHILDREN PER 100 HOUSES.
SO WE, SO THAT'S JUST ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND WHEN YOU GET OUTSIDE THE EDMOND CITY LIMITS, WHEN IT COMES TO EDMONDS SCHOOL DISTRICT, A LOT OF THOSE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS DO HAVE TWO AND THREE BEDROOMS. AND THAT'S NO LONGER THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE DID A PROJECT THAT YOU APPROVED THAT LATER GOT OVERTURNED BY THE CITIZENS, THE CASE AND ASSOCIATES DID, AND THEY AVERAGED ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY ONE IN TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS AND THEY AVERAGED EIGHT CHILDREN PER 100 UNITS.
SO JUST NOT AN OPINION, JUST THE STATISTICAL FACTS, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS OR MULTIPLE OF FOUR TO ONE WHEN IT COMES TO THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN COMPARED TO MULTI-FAMILY, UH, OR APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS AND SPECIFICALLY WITHIN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I SURE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK JUST TO ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, THE TIMEFRAME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALSO GIVES THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TIME TO PREPARE FOR THAT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO, ALL OF THESE, UM, HOMES ARE NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE AND LIVED IN RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE WHAT, A DECADE PHASES AT LEAST, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY.
SO I THINK THAT THAT ALSO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT JOSH SAID THAT YOU'VE SAID ALONG WITH THE TIMEFRAME AND THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD AND SUPERINTENDENT, THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF DEVELOPMENT AND WHERE, WHERE PROJECTS ARE GOING IN AND ARE PLANNING FOR THAT.
SO YES MA'AM, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
UM, SO IF, IF THIS GOES TRUE AND GOES FORWARD AND IS WHAT IT IS, THEN UM, IS THERE GONNA BE SOME KIND OF AN HOA OR SOMETHING, UH, A PERSON TO, OR A PLACE, UH, LLC THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT, WE HAVE SOMEONE TO GO TO? HOW BET IT'S, I BET IT'S THE DEVELOPER.
I'M SORRY, WHAT THE PROBABLY CLAY.
I THINK CLAY WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
THIS IS NOT A OUTER STATE DEVELOPER.
SO WHO CARES ABOUT THE CITY? OH, MM-HMM.
I MEAN, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOL ISSUE, CUZ LIKE JOSH SAID, WE DON'T OFTEN GET AN OPPORTUNITY HE NECESSARILY TO DISCUSS IT.
I MEAN, SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S INTERESTING AS, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR SCHOOLS ARE FUNDED BY PROPERTY TAXES.
I'LL REMIND AGAIN, THE CITY IS NOT FUNDED BY PROPERTY TAXES, BUT ONLY SALES AND USE TAX.
BUT THE PROPERTY VALUE HERE IS GOING TO GO UP A LOT, WHICH
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WILL FUND OUR SCHOOLS.AND WHEN WE HAVE FEWER KIDS THAN IN A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT EXCLUSIVELY, THAT'S A GREAT THING FOR OUR SCHOOLS.
IT PRODUCES HARDLY ANY SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN.
THIS, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT IS STILL RECEIVING THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE MM-HMM.
UM, FROM, FROM NOT VERY MANY KIDS.
SO WE NEED, WE NEED PROJECTS AND USES AND, AND, AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL THAT OFFSETS THAT MM-HMM.
WE, WE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT MIX, WHICH IS HELPFUL WITH THE COMMERCIAL ALONG THE OUTSIDE OF IT.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT, AT LIBERTY PARK, I THINK AT OUR LAST MEETING, AND WE'VE
AND IF SOMETHING'S EVEN BUILT ON THE COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND DRIVE OUT ONTO THE MAIN STREET AND INTO THE PARKING LOT, UH, ON THE CORNER JUST BECAUSE IT WAS SO CONTROVERSIAL AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS JUST COMPLETELY CLOSED OFF.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TRAFFIC JAMS AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S HAVING TO DRIVE OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET TO SERVICES.
AND SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY ON JUST TWO PROJECTS HERE AND TWO MEETINGS THAT HAVE THIS TYPE OF CONNECTIVITY INSIDE, UH, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN, WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THERE.
SO THAT, THAT EXCITES ME A LOT.
MITCH PARK AND AMENITIES THERE AND NOT GETTING IN A CAR.
OKAY, COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS ITEM? NOT A GOOD DISCUSSION.
NEXT WE NEED TO NEED A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVES.
A E PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 39 45.
39 45 AMENDING TITLE 22 BY ADDING NEW SECTION 22 6 6, ROUTE 66 CORRIDOR DISTRICT, SUPPLEMENTAL SITE DESIGN STANDARDS TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE ROUTE 66 EAST OF I 35.
DID THAT TURN OUT TO BE 6.6? YEAH.
NOT ACCIDENT, IT WAS JUST DUMB LUCK, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
I'VE BEEN SAVING IT THIS WHOLE NO
UH, THE, THE REASON FOR THE OVERLAY, UH, IT'S PRETTY SELF-EVIDENT, BUT AS THE EST EAST ADMIN 2050 PLAN WAS COMPLETED, UH, THERE WAS AN EXPRESS DESIRE TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE ROUTE 66 CORRIDOR, UH, IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY.
UH, THERE IS, UH, A CODE UPDATE UNDERWAY THAT WILL INCLUDE LANGUAGE TO DO THAT, BUT AS WE ARE SEEING SOME DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE ON THAT ROADWAY, UH, COUNSEL ASKED US TO LOOK AT STOP GAP MEASURES UNTIL THAT UPDATE IS DONE.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE GO NEXT.
UH, WHAT THE OVERLAY DOES IS, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD A SECTION IN THE TITLE 22 THAT CREATES A ROUTE 66 CORRIDOR OVERLAY THAT EXTENDS ESSENTIALLY THE I FROM I 35 TO THE TOWN OF ARCADIA.
UH, THE OVERLAY EX EXTENDS THE INCREASED LANDSCAPING AND BUILDING MATERIAL STANDARDS THAT ARE A PART OF THE I 35 CORRIDOR OVERLAY.
UM, UH, THE OVERLAY ALSO ONLY APPLIES TO NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND IS IT IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE EXISTING ZONING? THIS IS AN OVERLAY.
SO THE CURRENT LAND USE RIGHTS THAT ARE THERE REMAIN INTACT.
UH, TO GET IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THE OVERLAY DOES AND HOW IT CHANGES THE LANDSCAPING, UH, FROM THE SIMPLE TO READ TABLE.
UH, THE, THE NEW OVERLAY INCREASES THE MOUND SPACE DEDICATED TO PLANT MATERIALS BY A THIRD AND THE NUMBER OF PLANT MATERIALS BY 50%.
SO THE MIDDLE COLUMN THERE IS WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS THEREIN.
AND THEN THE NEW STANDARDS OR THE I 35 STANDARDS, WHICH ARE JUST BASICALLY EXTENDING OUT IS ON THE RIGHT.
BUT WE DIDN'T, IN THE I IN I 35, IT ALLOWS, UH, MORE FRIENDLY SIGNAGE.
WE, WE, WE DID NOT ADDRESS, I DID NOT SIGNAGE.
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HAVE THE SMALLER SIGNS ALONG ROUTE 66, WHICH BECAUSE OF I 35 IS CUZ YOU'RE MORE LANES, MORE SETBACK.HIGHER SPEED MUCH MORE RIGHT AWAY.
UM, CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT METAL? YES.
WE GOT INTO THIS ON THE STORAGE BUILDING, UM, 33RD.
THERE ARE SOME NEW MATERIALS THAT ARE ACTUALLY METAL.
IS THIS GONNA BE A, A PROBLEM OR IS THIS BY INTENT? SO IN OUR CODE STILL METAL IS NOT ALLOWED.
BUT FOR CERTAIN AREAS WHERE LIKE INDUSTRIAL AREAS WHERE THERE'S ALREADY METAL EXISTING, SO WHERE THERE ARE METAL BUILDINGS AND THAT'S THAT ONE ON 33RD KIND OF FELL INTO THAT, THAT STILL GOT A VARIANCE TO DO ALL METAL ON THAT BUILDING AND NOT THE, UH, 50% BRICK ON THE FRONT.
SO IF SOMEBODY HAD A PRODUCT, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE MATERIALS ARE GOING, BUT WE'RE PRETTY SURE THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME METAL THAT ARE GONNA YEAH.
IT SO THEY THEY COULD DO A VARIANCE.
THEY THEY COULD STILL OFF OFF, YEAH.
OPT FOR THE VARIANCE APPROACH IF THEY WANTED TO.
WHAT IF THIS OVERLAY PASSES, IT LIMITS IT TO BRICKSTONE ROCK OR WOOD.
NOT EVEN UNLESS ANY, UNLESS CONCRETE BLOCK.
SO IF YOU WANNA VARY FROM THAT, IT REQUIRES AN COUNCIL APPROVAL.
UH, AND THEN JUST LIKE IT DID ON THE 33RD.
BUT THAT WAS, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO SAY THAT WAS AN, THAT WAS THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THAT, OF A NICE DESIGN.
THIS, IT, THE INTENT IS AN OLD METAL BARN SIDING.
THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TODAY'S MATERIAL.
SO THAT'S, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
AS LONG AS WE CAN CONSIDER VARIANCES TO OF COURSE UNDERSTAND OLD METAL'S, NOT METAL
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S NEW AND IMPORTANT.
WE RAN INTO THAT WITH TACO METAL.
HUH? I SAID WE RAN INTO THAT, BUT TACO BELL ON I 35, UH, THAT'S METAL.
AND THAT'S THEIR YEAH, THAT'S THEIR INTERESTING.
THAT'S THEIR, IT'S A MODERN ARCHITECTURAL, MY OPINION.
THAT'S WHAT THE VARIANCE IT'S PROCESS.
UH, ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO NOTE UNDER, UH, THE KIND OF TREES THAT ARE CALLED OUT, UH, THE, THIS STANDARD HAS A SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ABOUT A MAJORITY OF THE TREES HAVE TO BE FROM THE CROSS TIMBERS ECOSYSTEM.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE FOCUSES OF, UH, THE 2050 PLAN WAS TO RESTORE AND INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF CROSS TIMBERS THERE IS IF POSSIBLE.
SO THIS SHOULD HELP DO THAT IN SOME WAYS.
UH, WHERE THE OVERLAY WILL BE, UH, IT'S BASICALLY 600 FEET EITHER SIDE, THE CENTER LINE OF ROUTE 66 FROM THE, UH, EAST EDGE OF THE I 35 OVERLAY DISTRICT TO THE, UH, TO CENTER LINE OF WESTMINSTER ROAD.
IT'S SHOWN IN YELLOW THERE ON THE MAP.
PLANNING COMMISSIONER REVIEWED RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR MARCH 21ST MEETING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I CAN.
MY CONCERN ALL ALONG IS, IS WE'RE GROWING SO FAST AND IT TAKES US A LONG TIME JUST TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THE CODE AND IT COULD BE AT SOME POINT TOO LATE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE RAPID GROWTH IN THAT AREA AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THAT, THAT AREA.
COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTION FOR STAFF? AUDIENCE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
HI, RICHARD GRAY, MARTIN VIEW PARK.
UH, MARK NASH AND I WORKED ON THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLANT AND, UH, WE WERE QUESTIONING THE OVERLAY.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY THANKFUL THAT THIS IS, IS IN PLACE BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE PUSHING FOR WAS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND, UM, I THINK, I DON'T, NOT SURE WE CALLED IT AN OVERLAY DISTRICT WHEN WE, WHEN THIS WAS IN PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT AS A STOP GAP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IN THE INITIAL WRITING WAS, UH, THE, UH, FLATTENING OF THE LAND.
AND I THAT WASN'T IN YOUR CHART, UM, RANDY, BUT, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO HAVE, UM, TO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE TERRAIN THE WAY IT IS.
IS THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE STILL, OR PART OF THE PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS? THAT IS PART OF THE, UH, I THINK YOU'RE READING THAT IN THE LATE DISTRICT OVERLAY, IS THAT CORRECT OR IS THAT FROM THE, I THOUGHT, UM, MAYBE, UM, WELL, 22.66, THAT'S SUPPLEMENTAL PSYCH DESIGN STANDARDS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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LET ME SEE WHAT YOU'RE WORKING AT.YES, THAT'S STILL PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT'LL BE INCLUDED IN.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UM, PART OF THIS, IT, THE P D DOESN'T REALLY CONSIDER COST BENEFITS.
UM, AND PART OF THAT WHOLE DISTRICT THERE IS IN A, IN A LOW ZONE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUILD A, A LIFT STATION.
SO ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE I THINK WOULD REQUIRE SOME KIND OF CITY SEWER, UNLESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOAT BARNS.
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN PLACE NOW.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF, IF ANY PLANS DO COME BEFORE US, THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND THE LAST TIME WE DID, WE WORKED ON THIS AT THE CORNER OF AIR DEPOT AND SECOND, THEY SAID A LIFT STATION COST 750,000.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S PROBABLY UP TO 1.2 MILLION.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, WELL YOU CAN USE THE MARIJUANA MONEY FOR THAT I GUESS.
BUT, UM, BUT UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT COST BENEFIT TO TRY TO PUT IN A LIFT STATION FOR ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE GOAL HERE IS TO KEEP ROUTE 66 THE WAY IT IS AND TO, UM, HELP OUT THE PARK AND TO MAKE IT KIND OF A DESTINATION AS OPPOSED TO JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE RETAIL STRIP THAT WE SEE ALL THE WAY FROM THE WEST SIDE OF EDMOND ALL THE WAY OUT TO I 35.
I THINK THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS, TO KEEP THE AESTHETIC GOING ON AT ROUTE 66 AS IT IS NOW.
YEAH, I CAN'T, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS ONE, WE, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF PROJECTS APPROVED BUT NOT BUILT YET.
BUT THE ONLY, THE LAST THING I CAN REMEMBER BEING BUILT WAS A HOME, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THAT WAS MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER CORRIDOR IN EDMOND THAT'S, THAT'S THIS IMPORTANT OR HISTORIC THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO PUT SOME STUFF IN PLACE NOW.
BUT LITERALLY BEFORE ANYTHING IS, IS BUILT ON IT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS ITEM? MOVE TO APPROVE.
NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.
I MOVE, WE ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION SECOND.
THIS IS WHERE WE LOSE OUR AUDIO.
NOW WE'RE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE NEED A MOTION TO COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO MOVE SECOND.
WE'RE NOT OUTTA EXECUTIVE SECTION.
BACK INTO CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PROCEED WITH SETTLEMENT IN THE DOYLE TILLER AND ROACH CLAIMS. A SECOND MOTION.
PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE THAT, UH, ITEM IS PASSED.
UM, CITY ATTORNEY STEVE MAR MURDOCH RECEIVE A 5.4% RAISE EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2022.
SO RETROACTIVE TO JULY 1ST, 2022.
AND THAT SCOTT RIGBY, CITY MANAGER, UM, EFFECTIVE MARCH 14TH, 2023.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH GENTLEMEN.
NEXT ITEM UP IS CITIZEN'S COMMENT.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS, BOTH RESIDENT NON-RESIDENTS, TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY RELATED MATTERS.
NOT ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA.
CITIZENS MUST SIGN UP TO SPEAK EITHER ONLINE OR BY 3:00 PM THE
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DAY OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, OR IN PERSON BY THE START OF THE MEETING.REMARKS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
TODAY WE HAVE A NEW ITEM ADDED TO OUR, UM, TO OUR DIAZ.
HERE WE HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTE TIMER HERE.
SO THE, ONCE THE CITIZEN IS INTRODUCED, THEY WILL COME UP AND ONCE, UH, THE CITY CLERK CONTROLS THE TIMER AND YOU WILL HEAR, UH, MUSIC AT THE END WHEN YOU'RE THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
BUT AT THE, AT 10, AT THE TEN SECOND MARK, I THINK IT IS.
THIS, THIS SCREEN WILL GO RED, UH, AT THE ONE MINUTE MARK.
IT WILL TURN YELLOW AT 10 SECONDS REMAINING.
AND AS TIME EAPS THERE WILL BE A NOISE.
OKAY, LET'S, ARE WE READY?
I GET SET UP HERE AND I'M CHANGING MY HAT.
FIRST OFF, SIR, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR WIN.
THE EASTER WEEK HAS JUST PASSED AND SPRING HAS ARRIVED AT TIME OF HOPE AND RENEWAL AND REFLECTION.
WHEN REFLECTING BACK TO EDMOND IN THE 1930S, EDMOND HAD A POPULATION OF JUST UNDER 4,000 PEOPLE.
MOST WERE INVOLVED IN AGRICULTURE AND SADLY, EDMOND WAS IN A DEEP DEPRESSION.
PEOPLE WERE JUST BARELY HOLDING ON DURING THOSE BLEAK DAYS.
THEN THE CIVILIAN CONSERVATION COURT CAME TO THE STATE, OR IN THE STATE BEGAN BUILDING ARMORIES IN TOWNS.
THE PEOPLE OF EDMOND WHO WERE OUT OF WORK GOT WORK BUILDING OUR ARMORY HERE IN EDMOND.
AFTER THE ARMY, UH, ARMORY WAS FINISHED, IT WAS THE MEN WHO HELPED BUILD THAT, WHO JOINED THE ONE 79TH INFANTRY BATTALION IN EDMOND.
YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT WAS MONEY.
THEY GOT PAID CASH AND IT WAS A DEPRESSION.
THEY NEEDED IT TO HELP FEED THEIR FAMILIES.
THOSE MEN AND WOMEN WHO THEN FATHERS WHO JOINED, BECAME, THEY SAID BECAUSE OF MONEY.
SO THE EDMOND ARMORY ARMORY UP HERE BECAME THE HOME OF THE 45TH INFANTRY'S, ONE 79TH INFANTRY REGIMEN.
IT WAS KNOWN AS THE TOMAHAWKS.
AND OUR ARMOR ARMORY BECAME THE GATHERING PLACE FOR ALL CITIZENS IN EDMOND, ALL 4,000.
THE FIRST BASKETBALL COURT, THIS IS WHERE EDMOND LEARNED HOW TO PLAY BASKETBALL INDOORS, WAS IN THE ARM EDMOND ARMORY HERE IN EDMOND.
IT WAS A PLACE WHERE STOCK CHOSE WRAP CLEAN.
MARCUS WERE, THIS WAS THE GATHERING PLACE FOR EDMOND AT OUR ARMORY HOME OF THE TOMAHAWKS.
AND THEN WORLD WAR II CAME, THE 45TH WAS CALLED UP AND REMEMBER THERE WAS 400 MEN INVOLVED IN THAT.
AND THEY WENT TO WAR, LEAVING THE FAMILIES BEHIND.
AND IT WAS THE COMMUNITY THAT CAME UP AND HAD TO SUPPORT THOSE FAMILIES WHILE THOSE MEN WERE GONE FOR WORLD WAR II.
FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, THE 45TH WAS GONE.
SADLY, DURING THAT TIME WHEN THE WAR WAS OVER, EDMUND LOST MORE THAN 120 TOMAHAWKS AND OVER PRICED THREE TIMES, THAT NUMBER WOUNDED THAT THIS COMMUNITY ELDERS REMEMBERED THAT.
THEN KOREA SHOWED UP JUST YEARS LATER, 1951 AND HERE THEY WENT AGAIN, LEAVING THEIR FAMILIES BEHIND.
I'M GONNA RUN OUT OF TIME, SIR.
WILL YOU GIVE ME, JUST LET ME FINISH THIS FOR ANOTHER MINUTE.
I DON'T COACH, I DON'T CONTROL THE CLOCK ANYMORE, SIR, SIR, BUT I'VE GOT A LADY THAT'S GOING TO RE RE TO RE DO MY TIME TO ME.
WOULD YOU LET ME UNDO THIS? BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT HISTORY FOR US, SIR.
I PRESENT TO YOU A FLAG, A THUNDERBIRD FLAG.
WE ARE REQUESTING, SIR, THAT THE THUNDERBIRD FLAG LIE AT OUR CITY HALL UNDERNEATH THE OKLAHOMA FLAG IN RECOGNITION OF ALL THE THUNDERBIRDS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAD STOOD UP FOR OUR COUNTRY.
AND SIR, SATURDAY OR SATURDAY, FIVE DAYS FROM NOW, 500 THUNDERBIRDS FROM EDMOND, OKLAHOMA.
OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS, OUR CHILDREN ARE GOING OVERSEAS FOR A YEAR.
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VIETNAM VETERANS WENT FOR A YEAR.OUR THUNDERBIRDS ARE LEAVING FOR A YEAR AGAIN AND LEAVING 847 FAMILY MEMBERS IN EDMOND.
IT'S UP TO US TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE FAMILY MEMBERS.
AND THAT'S WHY, SIR, I REQUEST THE FLAG BE FLOWN TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE ARE LEAVING.
WE ARE LEAVING 847 FAMILY MEMBERS HERE FOR A YEAR.
SO SIR, I PRESENT THIS, PLEASE AND I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE ALL THUNDERBIRDS IN ED EDMOND, OKLAHOMA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WHY I DO THIS TO MYSELF? OKAY, SO I JUST HAVE TWO QUICK THINGS TO SAY AND UM, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, GIRLS JUST WANNA HAVE FUN AND CITIZENS JUST WANNA BE HEARD.
AND THAT WAS THE MAIN THING I HEARD IN THIS ELECTION WHEN I WAS TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO DID NOT AGREE WITH ME.
THEY, I FEEL HEARD, I ALWAYS FEEL HEARD, BUT MAYBE I KNOW HOW TO BE HEARD.
AND SO SOMEHOW MAYBE WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR CITIZENS HOW TO BE HEARD, HOW TO CONTACT THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
AND MAYBE NOT STARTING FROM THE TOP WHERE YOU GUYS ARE, BUT MAYBE STARTING FROM OTHER PLACES.
SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
MY MAIN REASON FOR BEING HERE IS TO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR TAKING YOUR TIME TO SERVE.
TIME IS A FINITE RESOURCE AND I'M RESOURCED.
I'M VERY THANKFUL TO THOSE WHO TAKE THEIR TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO WORK TO SERVE THEIR COMMUNITY, TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE.
I ASKED JOSH ONCE, DO YOU ALL WANT NEED US TO COME UP AND SAY THANK YOU? AND JOSH SAID, NO.
ALL WE NEED IS CIVILITY, PATIENCE, AND UNDERSTANDING.
WE ALL NEED A THANK YOU AND ENCOURAGING WORD A COMPLIMENT FROM TIME TO TIME.
UM, SO THANK YOU CHRISTINE AND STACY FOR PUTTING YOURSELVES OUT THERE AND BEING PART OF THE SOLUTION.
AS A WOMAN, I LOVE SEEING PASSIONATE WOMEN IN POSITIONS WHERE THEY CAN USE THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THEIR UNIQUE SKILLS AND THINKING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. YOU GUYS USED TO BE TOGETHER, BUT NOW I CAN'T LOOK AT YOU.
THANK YOU JOSH AND DAVID FOR BRINGING YOUR EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU GUYS HAVE SUCH EXPERIENCE AND I'M SO SORRY NOT TO SEE YOU, BUT I HOPE TO SEE YOU IN EDMOND YOU ALL ALONG WITH DARRELL SERVED IN AN UNPRECEDENTED TIME AND SERVED WITH PATIENCE AND GRACE AND DID THE BEST YOU COULD WITH INFORMATION AVAILABLE AND KIND OF SKIPPED.
I HOPE TO SEE JOSH AROUND TOWN DOING JOSH THINGS.
AND I KNOW I'LL SEE DAVID DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THAT'S HIS HOME.
SO, UM, I ALSO WANNA THANK YOU DARRELL FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND COMMONNESS AND CALMNESS AND STUDY LEADERSHIP.
YOU EXEMPLIFY WHAT IT IS TO BE A CITIZEN WHO SERVES THEIR COMMUNITY.
MY FAMILY MOVED AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DENY THIS, BUT MY FAMILY MOVED TO EDMUND DURING THE GREAT WHITE FLIGHT DURING 50 YEARS AGO.
AND WHEN I CAST MY FIRST BALLOT FOR YOU, DARRELL, I CRIED.
I DIDN'T VOTE FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE A BLACK MAN.
I VOTED FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE THE BEST PERSON.
BUT TO SEE A MAN OF COLOR AS MY MAYOR IN EDMOND AFTER WHAT THIS TOWN HAS BEEN THROUGH, IT MADE ME CRY.
YOU'RE A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF US AS A MAN WHO CARES.
TOOK HIS TIME TO MAKE THIS COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE.
WHEN I INTRODUCED MYSELF TO CITY EMPLOYEES AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I ALWAYS ASK, WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU TODAY? WHAT CAN I DO TO BE HELP AND TO SOLVE A PROBLEM? I'M HERE TO HELP.
NEXT RESIDENCE IS RANDALL SHADED RANDALL SHADED 5 0 7 TIMBER, DALE TERRACE, EDMOND AND MY SON JEREMY IN FROM DALLAS, UH, FOR A FUNERAL.
AND MY TOPIC IS DEEP THOUGHTS BECAUSE I NEVER HAVE DEEP THOUGHTS.
BUT I JUST WANT, AND THIS IS NOT SHALLOW MAYOR, I REALLY JUST WANNA SAY CONGRATULATIONS, YOU, CONGRATULATIONS TO TOM ROBBINS ON AND TO BARRY MOORE ON THEIR ELECTION.
AND, UH, MANY OF US IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE THANKFUL THAT YOU THREE INDIVIDUALS
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RAN FOR OFFICE.GONNA MISS JOSH AND MS. DAVID.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND A TWO OR THREE YEAR HECTIC PERIOD OF BEING A PUBLIC OFFICIAL.
AND THANKS STACY AND KRISTEN FOR STAYING ON BOARD AND DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB, BOTH OF YOU.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.
UH, I WAS GOING TO COMMENT AS AN ALUM, I GUESS TODD THINKS I'M AN ALUM CUZ I'M OLD AND BEEN HERE MANY TIMES.
UH, I WAS GONNA COMMENT ON MR. SCOTT'S DISCUSSION, BUT I'M PROUD OF THE THUNDERBIRDS SO I WON'T UH, SAY ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE ARMY.
THE OLD ARMY IS A COOL ARMY AND IT WAS BUILT PROBABLY BY WPA, WHICH WAS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM THAT GAVE PEOPLE JOBS TO FEED THE FAMILIES THAT LEONARD WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, IN THE THIRTIES AND EARLY FORTIES.
AND ALSO GAVE US SOCIAL SECURITY AFTER THAT.
SO I'M GETTING MY CHECK EVERY MONTH.
NEXT, UH, NON-RESIDENT LESLIE MANN.
MAYOR, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR WIN.
SO, UM, TO CONTINUE WHAT, UM, LEONARD SAID, WE ALSO REQUEST OUR SCHOOLS PLACE A THUNDERBIRD FLAG AT THE SCHOOL'S, UH, BENEATH THE STATE FLAG IN THE RECOGNITION OF THE THUNDERBIRDS IN OUR NATIONAL GUARD AND ALSO OUR AIR GUARD WHO GRADUATED FROM OUR EDMUND HIGH SCHOOLS.
WE REQUEST PICTURES OF THOSE PRIOR STUDENTS BE PLACED AT EVERY STUDENT ENTRY IN ORDER TO REMEMBER THEM AND THEIR SACRIFICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THERE WILL, UH, BE THERE WILL BULLDOG, THUNDERBIRDS HUSKY AND WOLF THUNDERBIRDS TO BE HONORED.
AND LASTLY, WE REQUEST THE EDMUND SEAL THAT HAS A BLANK SPACE BE FILLED WITH THE SYMBOL OF THE THUNDERBIRD THAT WILL REPRESENT OUR NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE AND ALL THOSE THUNDERBIRDS WHO SERVED OUR CITY FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
IT'S TIME OUR EDMUND SEAL BECOME WHOLE AGAIN WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE THUNDERBIRD.
THERE WERE ALL THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, NOW IS, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
DON'T WANT TO GET EMOTIONAL, BUT THIS IS ONE MORE WITH THESE TWO GENTLEMEN UP HERE SO I'LL GET EMOTIONAL AT THE NEXT ONE.
CONGRATULATIONS, MAYOR, ON YOUR WIN.
AND, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO, LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU GUYS GETTING TO WORK TOGETHER AND STARTING TO LEARN AND COLLABORATE MM-HMM.
EDMOND ED EDMOND IS STILL MOVING ON.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? UM, WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SCOUT'S ONE YEAR? UH, A CITY, CITY MANAGER.
UM, HIS OFFICIAL START DATE WAS, UH, MARCH 14TH, 2022.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN SLOW OR FAST OR SOME DAYS IT FEELS BOTH, BUT WE APPRECIATE
THANK HUMBLED BY YOUR CONFIDENCE.
AND WE'RE GONNA DO SOME MORE, WE'RE GONNA SOME MORE GREAT THINGS TODAY.
ANYTHING ELSE COUNSEL? WELL, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OVER HERE CRYING.