May 22, 2023 City Council

SOME CITY COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS.

THOSE MEETING MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

NEXT WE HAVE

[A. Presentation of the Administrator of the Year Award by the Oklahoma Chapter of the American Society for Public Administration. ]

THE FIRST ONE IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE YEAR AWARD BY THE OKLAHOMA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION MEETING COUNCIL AND MAYOR.

WE ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE.

MY NAME IS COREY WINSTON.

I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF ALSO BEING AN, UH, EMPLOYEE, UH, FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.

SO I'M GLAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE OKLAHOMA CHAPTER FOR, UH, AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION.

AND WE ALSO HAVE DR.

HART, WHO IS ALSO A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL OKLAHOMA, WHO IS ALSO ON OUR BOARD TONIGHT.

UH, WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT, UM, UH, AWARD.

ASPA HAS, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT AWARDS THAT WE PRESENT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO, UH, PUBLIC ADMINISTRATOR, UH, PRACTITIONERS WHO EXHIBIT, WHO EXHIBIT THE QUALITIES THAT OUR ORGANIZATION HOLDS DEAR.

AND SO THIS YEAR, THE RECIPIENT IS A, UH, EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OFIN.

SO, UM, WE ARE AWARDING THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE YEAR AWARD, UM, FOR RECENT ACHIEVEMENTS, EXHIBITING EXCELLENCE, DEDICATION AND ACCOMPLISHMENT IN THE PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION TO ANOTHER THAN CHRISTIE PATERSON, WHO IS THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF EDMONDS.

SO OUR ORGANIZATION IS REALLY EXCITED.

WE ARE GOING THROUGH A RESURGENCE.

UM, SO WE, UH, REALLY ADVOCATE FOR EVERYONE WHO LOVES PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR EVEN EMPLOYEES.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN JOINING AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS DISPLAYING THE HIGHEST ETHICS OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, WE ACTUALLY GET IN CONTACT WITH US, FOLLOW US ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA, AND, UH, WE THANK YOU GUYS FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION TO A WELL-DESERVED MEMBER OF THE EDMOND COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOU.

SO NOW I'M GONNA COME DOWN.

[B. Proclamation Recognizing May 21-27, 2023 as National Public Works Week.]

WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING MAY 21 THROUGH 27 AS THE NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK WITH ALL THE PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE IN HERE WHO'S TAKING CARE OF THE CITY OVER THERE.

OH.

SO THIS IS THE NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKSHEET PROCLAMATION FOR MAY 21 THROUGH 27, 20 23, CONNECTING THE WORLD THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS.

WHEREAS THE PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, FACILITIES, AND SERVICES THAT ARE VITAL IMPORTANCE TO THE SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT COMMUNITIES AND TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND WELLBEING OF THE PEOPLE OF EDMOND, OKLAHOMA.

THESE INFRASTRUCTURE, FACILITIES AND SERVICES COULD NOT BE PROVIDED WITHOUT THE DEDICATED EFFORT OF PUBLIC WORK PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR REBUILDING, IMPROVING, PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY, OUR COMMUNITY'S ROADWAYS, TRAFFIC SAFETY, PUBLIC BUILDINGS, WATER WASTEWATER SYSTEMS, AND SOLID WASTE REMOVAL SERVICES, ALL OF WHICH ARE ESSENTIAL FOR OUR CITIZENS.

AND THE YEAR OF 2023 MARKS THE 63RD ANNUAL NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK, UH, SPONSORED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION.

AND NOW, THEREFORE, I DARRELL A DAVIS MAYOR OF CITY OF EDMOND, OKLAHOMA ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 21 THROUGH THE 27TH.

2023 AS NATIONAL PUBLIC WEEK'S WOR WORKS WEEK IN THE CITY OF EDMOND AND ENCOURAGES ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME IN THIS WORTHY OBSERVATION GIVEN UNDER MY HAND AND SEAL OF THE CITY OF EDMOND, OKLAHOMA.

THIS 22ND DAY OF MAY, 2023, WE HAVE KEITH STEWART HERE IS OUR HEAD GURU FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING?

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I CAN SAY SOMETHING.

CITY COUNCIL NOMINATIONS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

YES, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

UM, WE'RE HONORED THAT, UM, YOU'VE GIVEN US PROCLAMATION TONIGHT AND WE'LL THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND WE'LL THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.

BUT REALLY THE THANKS GOES TO THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GATHERED ALONG THE WALL HERE.

THIS IS, I THINK, THE GREATEST TURNOUT THAT WE'VE HAD FROM ONE OF THESE EVENTS FROM OUR PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS IN A WHILE.

SO, UM, THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB AND THE MAYOR READ IN THE PROCLAMATION ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT PUBLIC WORKS DOES.

UH, THEY SHOW UP EVERY DAY, THEY GIVE IT A HUNDRED PERCENT.

AND I'VE NOT WORKED WITH A GREATER GROUP OF PEOPLE THAN THAN WE HAVE ASSEMBLED AT EDMUND PUBLIC WORKS.

AND, AND THESE FOLKS REPRESENT THAT GROUP.

AND WE JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION AND WE'LL THANK THEM.

SO AGAIN, IT STARTED YESTERDAY.

UH, WE'LL BE CELEBRATING ALL WEEK, UH, THE END SATURDAY.

SO IF YOU SEE THESE FOLKS OUT AND ABOUT AND YOU CAN SAFELY DO SO, UH, JUST WALK UP AND TELL 'EM THANKS FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS.

NOW WE HAVE THE

[4. City Council Nominations to Boards and Commissions:]

THE MAYOR NOMINATION REAPPOINTMENT OF CHAD STANFORD TO THE KICKING BIRD GOLF CLUB ADVISORY BOARD TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2025.

THE WARD ONE NOMINATION REAPPOINTMENT OF BRETT ROCKE TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026, NOMINATION OF DEREK DUNCAN TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

WARD TWO NOMINATIONS NOMINATION OF AUSTIN, GOT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REPLACE BARRY MOORE TERM, EXPIRES JUNE, 2026, REAPPOINTMENT OF CASEY BLAINE TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

TERM EXPIRES OCTOBER, 2025.

WARD THREE NOMINATIONS, REAPPOINTMENT OF DESHAUN HUEL TO THE EDMOND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.

REAPPOINTMENT OF TRIP WINTER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026.

REAPPOINTMENT OF KURT S TO THE EDMUND BICYCLE COMMITTEE TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026.

REAPPOINTMENT OF CAROL WILLIS TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

REAPPOINTMENT OF MUSTAFA KOK TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

COUNSEL, THOSE ARE ALL OF THE NOMINATIONS FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH THIS? I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR OF THE CITY COUNCIL NOMINATIONS.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

THOSE ARE NOW ALL APPOINTMENTS.

HAVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS OUR GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. UH, NORMALLY ON THE GENERAL CONSENT, UH, WE WOULD PULL ONLY THE ONES THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PULL AND LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION

NEXT WE

[5. General Consent Items: (Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Council. Members of the Council may request discussion or separate action on any item under General Consent.)]

[1. Discussion and Consideration of a Ground Lease in the Festival Market Place with Lap 7 Development LLC. (Ward 1)]

ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE A ON DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF A GROUND LEASE IN THE FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE WITH LAP SEVEN DEVELOPMENT LLC.

ANDY? HELLO.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

ANDY CONN, YOUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ADMINISTRATION.

UM, SO THE ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS A DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF A GROUND LEASE IN THE FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE WITH LAP SEVEN DEVELOPMENT.

IN ADDITION TO THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED ON OUR, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA PACKET THAT'S POSTED ONLINE, I THOUGHT IT, UH, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF THE PROJECT, UM, TO HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO GO THROUGH THIS EVENING.

AND ALSO, I'M GONNA INVITE BRANDON LODGE, UH, WITH LAP SEVEN DEVELOPMENT, WHO IS ALSO HERE WITH HIS FULL DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE INTEREST IN THE PROJECT AND THINGS THEY'RE THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHY THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO THE PROJECT.

SO, UH, PLEASE, AT ANY TIME, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING, JUST FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GOAL OF, OF WHAT STAFF WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS, IS TO FURTHER ACTIVATE DOWNTOWN THROUGH A HIGHER AND BETTER USE OF CITY OWNED LAND.

AND I'LL TALK ABOUT EXACTLY WHERE THAT LAND IS LOCATED WITHIN THE FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE.

THAT'S JUST DOWN THE STREET BEHIND US ON FIRST STREET, JUST EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

SO, TO START THE PROCESS ON SEPTEMBER 12TH, UH, 2022, WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL MEET TO TALK ABOUT ISSUING A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS TO FIND A PRIVATE

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BUSINESS PART PARTNER TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL.

COUNSEL, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION WAS ISSUED TO TALK ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS, CONCERNS, UH, CONSIDERATIONS TO BE WAIVED THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO FROM NOVEMBER 1ST TO DECEMBER 15TH OF LAST YEAR, THERE WAS THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION.

AGAIN, THE REQUEST OF QUALIFICATION PROCESS IS AN OPEN PROCESS FOR ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED.

SO THE CITY CAN'T JUST GO AND PICK APARTMENT WITH THIS, SO IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC PROCESS THAT TAKES PLACE FOR ALL THAT ARE INTERESTED.

AND SO THE RFQ WAS POSTED TO THE CITY WEBSITE AND ADVERTISED WITH THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE OF OKLAHOMA, AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE COUNCIL OF OKLAHOMA CITY.

SO THERE WAS A SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER TO HELP VET THE PROPOSALS THAT CAME IN ON THAT WAS THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE CENTRAL EDMUND URBAN DISTRICT BOARD, JASON DUNCAN, AS WELL AS STEPHANIE CARROLL, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, THE DOWNTOWN EDMUND BUSINESS ASSOCIATION.

THE JANET YA, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE E E D A, UH, JARED PRINCE, REPRESENTING THE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UH, AS WELL AS MYSELF.

THERE WE GO.

SO WHERE THE LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LOCATED AGAIN WITHIN THE FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE, WHICH IS ON FIRST STREET, JUST A LITTLE WEST OF, UH, SORRY, JUST A LITTLE EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

SO THIS AREA OUTLINED RIGHT HERE IS THE FULL FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE.

AND THE AREA THAT THE CITY WAS INTERESTED IN FURTHER ACTIVATING WAS THIS ROUGHLY 5,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT RIGHT HERE.

SO CURRENTLY THERE IS A STORAGE SHED THAT IS ON, UH, SOME OF THAT 5,000 STOR SQUARE FEET THAT IS UTILIZED BY THE FARMER'S MARKET, UH, TO STORE SOME OF THE THINGS IN ORDER TO OPERATE THE FARMER'S MARKET, WHICH OPERATES IN THIS SPACE APRIL TO OCTOBER EVERY SATURDAY MORNING FROM 8:00 AM TO, UH, TO ONE.

UM, SO AGAIN, THIS, UH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD IS THE STORAGE SHED WOULD BE DEMOLISHED AND CITY STAFF, ONE OF THE REQUESTS OF THE COUNCIL AT THAT SEPTEMBER 12TH MEETING WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE USES THAT ARE IN THAT STORAGE SHED ARE THEN ACCOMMODATED ON SITE.

AND SO STAFF IS LOOKING AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

UM, LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT SPOTS WITHIN IT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HINDERING IN ANY WAY ALL THE SUCCESS OF THE FARMER'S MARKET.

UM, SO AGAIN, ASSESSING OPTIONS FOR THAT AND LOOKING TO REPLACE ALL THE USES AND FUNCTIONALITY IN THIS STORAGE SHED WILL BE RETAINED ON SITE.

UM, SO JUST GOING BACK TO THE SELECTION PROCESS, UM, INTERVIEWS WERE CONDUCTED BY THE SELECTION COMMITTEE FOR THE TWO SUBMISSIONS THAT WERE RECEIVED.

AND THEN THE SELECTION COMMITTEE ELECTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LAP SEVEN DEVELOPMENT AND FORWARD MEANT TO ENTER INTO LEASE NEGOTIATIONS FOR A GROUND LEASE.

SO SOME OF THE RATIONALE BEHIND WHY LAP SEVEN WAS, UH, WAS PICKED, WAS THE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT THEY BROUGHT TO THE TABLE, WHICH IS REPRESENTED HERE AGAIN, AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY QUALITY.

AND THEN ALSO A QUALITY TENANT.

SO THE TENANT THAT'S BEEN SELECTED BY FOR THIS IS PRAIRIE ARTISAN ALES.

SO IT'S AN OKLAHOMA BREWERY THAT WILL HAVE A TAP ROOM AND BREWERY, SO OKLAHOMA BREWERY, BUT I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THEY HAVE A NATIONAL BRAND.

SO IT'S EXCITING TO BRING SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO DOWNTOWN THAT WILL ADD TO ALL THE MOMENTUM THAT'S CURRENTLY OCCURRING DOWNTOWN.

SO, UH, AND THEN THE GENTLEMAN DURING THEIR PRESENTATION TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO COMPLIMENT AND ENHANCE EXISTING BUSINESSES AND ALSO THE FARMER'S MARKET.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT AS IF THE FARMER'S MARKET WAS WILLING, THEY COULD OPEN A LITTLE EARLY ON SATURDAY MORNING, BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THOSE TENANTS IF THEY WOULD LIKE, THEY CAN OPEN UP THE BIG BAY DOORS, THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE THERE.

AND THEY REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE HELPING ALL THE THINGS AND GROWING ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING DOWNTOWN, NOT HINDERING IN ANY WAY.

SO, AND ALSO WHAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED, I DON'T THINK BRANDON WILL, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, CREATING A VERY UNIQUE, WHAT THEY CALL ALE TRAIL.

SO I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT BREWERS THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND UNLIKE OTHER BUSINESSES, THEY REALLY ENJOY BEING AROUND EACH OTHER.

THE MORE THERE IS THEN THEY FEEL LIKE, UH, THEY ALL PROSPER WHEN THERE'S MORE AROUND IT.

SO WITH AMERICAN SOLAR, WHICH IS NOW LOCATED WITHIN, UH, ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT OF BRAIN AND LODGES, THE ICEHOUSE DEVELOPMENT JUST WEST OF THE TRACKS, BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AND HAS A NATIONAL BRAND AS WELL.

AND OF COURSE, FRENZY, WHICH HAS BEEN DOWNTOWN AND WAS EDMUND'S FIRST BREWERY.

SO IN COLLABORATION, THOSE THREE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN REALLY GROW ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING DOWNTOWN.

AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER RATIONALES WAS, UM, IF YOU'RE AROUND HERE IN THE MORNINGS, IN, IN THE AFTERNOONS, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S VERY BUSY, ESPECIALLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

BUT, AND THEN WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET ON SATURDAY MORNING.

BUT THE EVENING ACTIVITY, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GROW THOSE HOURS OF, UM, ACTIVITY DOWNTOWN.

AND SO WE FEEL LIKE THE HOURS OF BUSINESS FOR PRAIRIE ARTISAN AILS WILL ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.

SO FROM FEBRUARY TO MAY OF THIS YEAR, WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH MR. LODGE AND HIS TEAM ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THIS GROUND LEASE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN OCCURRING OVER THESE LAST FEW MONTHS.

SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE SITE AND DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS.

AND THEN I'LL INVITE, WHEN I GET THROUGH THIS, I'LL INVITE BRANDON UP TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THEIR INTEREST IN THE PROJECT.

SO AGAIN, UM, ONE

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OF THE THINGS THAT THEY REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ACCOMPLISH IS MAINTAINING STRONG VISUAL ACCESS AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, TO ORIENTATE WHERE YOU'RE AT, THE RAIL YARD BUSINESS IS RIGHT HERE.

AND THEN AS YOU MOVE FARTHER SOUTH WHERE THE FARMER'S MARKET IS, UH, IS JUST A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH DOWN HERE.

SO OPENNESS AND INTEGRATION OF SURROUNDING PUBLIC SPACE, AND ESPECIALLY WITH COMMUNITY EVENTS, AGAIN, HOW CAN WE HELP NOT HINDER HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE BLEND IN AND GROW? AND THEN SENSITIVITY TO EXISTING HISTORIC CHARACTER THROUGH THE MATERIAL PALLET AND FORM.

AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, I WILL GET TO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.

SO ON THAT, ROUGHLY 5,000 SQUARE FEET WILL BE A BREWERY OVER HERE TO THE WEST, AND THEN THE TAP ROOM OVER HERE TO THE EAST.

SO HERE'S SOME, JUST SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO WHAT THIS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OUT OF IS MASS WALL MASONRY, WHICH, UH, A GROUP CALLED BUILDING CULTURE WILL BE BUILDING.

AND AS THEY SAY, THESE ARE BUILT TO LAST CENTURIES.

SO AGAIN, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS IS WHENEVER THE LEASE IS UP, WHICH IS PROPOSED AT THIS POINT TO BE AFTER A 50 YEAR PERIOD, THEN THIS WILL BECOME AN ASSET OF THE CITY.

SO WE'RE VERY INTENTIONAL NOT ON WHAT THIS IS TODAY, BUT IS IT BUILT TO LAST.

AND SO AGAIN, MAINTAINING THAT STRONG VISUAL ACCESS AS YOU LOOK TO THE SOUTH.

AND THEN HERE'S WHAT THE INSIDE OF THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO HERE IS, HERE'S THE TAP ROOM, AND THEN HERE AS YOU LOOK BACK TO THE WEST, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE INTO THE BREWERY, UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GROUND LEASE AND SOME OF THE COMPONENTS.

AGAIN, THIS INFORMATION IS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE, UH, IN THE PACKET THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED AND THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO.

BUT FOR THE TERM, WE'RE PROPOSING AN INITIAL TERM OF 25 YEARS WITH FIVE SEPARATE FIVE YEAR OPTIONS, EXERCISE THROUGH MUTUAL AGREEMENT.

SO IF THIS WERE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND COME TO FRUITION AND THERE IS MUTUAL AGREEMENT, THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A 50 YEAR GROUND LEASE.

UH, THE LEASE RATE IS PROPOSED TO BE A LITTLE UNDER $13,000 TO BEGIN WITH FOR THE FIRST, UH, FIVE CALENDAR YEARS.

AND THEN, UH, INCREASE 2% EVERY YEAR OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

AND THEN WHAT THE, WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING TO DO IS TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING OF DESIGN AND QUALITY COM COMPARABLE WAS DEPICTED IN THE RFQ.

WITH THAT IS A COST A MINIMUM OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD THE FACILITY, AND THEN A MINIMUM OF $250,000 IN EQUIPMENT, PERSONAL PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY RUN THE FACILITY.

AND CONSTRUCTION IS, AS IS OUTLINED IN THE AGREEMENT, IS TO BEGIN BY JANUARY 1ST, 2024, AND THEN BE COMPLETED IN 12 MONTHS.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, AS FOLLOWING THE GUIDANCE THROUGH COUNSEL THAT WE RECEIVED BEFORE THE RFQ WAS RELEASED, IT'S IN THE LEASE FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, SHALL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE OPERATION OF THE FARMER'S MARKET.

AND I KNOW THAT BRANDON HAS ALREADY BEEN IN, UH, COMMUNICATION WITH EMILY YOUNG, WHO RUNS THE FARMER'S MARKET ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND IS LOOKING FORWARD TO ALL THE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES THAT PRESENT THEMSELVES AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT INHIBITING ANY WAY ALL THE SUCCESS OF THE FARMER'S MARKET.

SO, AND THEN ALSO BEFORE CONSTRUCTION, LAP SEVEN MUST SHOW EVIDENCE OF AN EXECUTED SUBLEASE WITH PRAIRIE ARTISAN HAES.

UM, AND I DON'T, IF THERE'S PARKING QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO GO OVER THAT, BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S NECESSARILY NECESSARY, BUT JUST TRYING TO SHOW ALL THE PUBLIC PARKING THAT'S IN THE AREA.

SO WITHIN A FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTE WALK OF WHERE THIS WILL BE LOCATED, I SAY IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

AND I'M TALKING, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.

HERE WE GO.

UM, SO HERE'S WHERE IT'S PROPOSED.

AND IF YOU COUNT ALL THE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES WITHIN A FIVE, FIVE-ISH MINUTE WALK, FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTE WALK FROM THIS FACILITY, THAT'S 512 PUBLIC PARKING SPACES, SO ON STREET AS WELL AS ICE HOUSE DEVELOPMENT, PARKING, THAT IS PUBLIC PARKING AS WELL AS THE PARKING THAT'S BEING ADDED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OXLEY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AND THIS MAIN STREET LOT HERE, THAT'S JUST NORTH OF WHERE THE RAIL YARD.

SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, HOW WE GOT HERE, LEASE COMPONENTS, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE FROM THE COUNCIL.

UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE NONE, THEN I WILL INVITE BRANDON UP TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR INTEREST IN THE PROJECT AND MAYBE INTRODUCE HIS TEAM AS WELL.

NO QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL? NOPE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

COUNSEL, UH, I'M BRANDON LODGE, LAP SEVEN DEVELOPMENT.

UH, ANDY DID A GOOD JOB OF, OF DESCRIBING THE PROJECT AND, AND TALKING THROUGH IT.

AND SO I, I'LL KEEP MY REMARKS BRIEF AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.

UM, THIS PROJECT IS, WE WERE VERY INTERESTED IN DOING THIS PROJECT, UH, PRAIRIE WAS INTERESTED IN IN HAVING A LOCATION UP NORTH, AND WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR SOME TIME AND, AND LOOKING AROUND AT DIFFERENT, UH, POTENTIAL LOCATIONS.

UM, WHEN THE RFQ CAME AROUND, IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE.

UM, AND SO PRAIRIE AS A TENANT FITS WELL, UH, AS ANDY ALLUDED TO WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND WITH, WITH THE GROWTH AND, AND, UH, CONTINUED OPPORTUNITIES THAT, UM, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, UH, BRING ABOUT.

UM, BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT IS IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY

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PERSONAL TO ME.

THIS IS MY TOWN.

I GREW UP HERE, UH, I'M RAISING MY KIDS HERE.

I DID THE ICE HOUSE PROJECT HERE, WHICH HAS BEEN, UH, A THREE YEAR, UH, COMMITMENT.

UM, NOTHING EASY ABOUT IT WHATSOEVER, BUT IT'S A VERY PERSONAL PROJECT TO ME BECAUSE, UM, OF WHERE IT IS.

AND THE FACT THAT I GREW UP AROUND IT AND, AND SAW, UH, SAW IT AS I WAS DRIVING TO, TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UM, WAY BACK IN THE DAY AND TO SEE WHAT'S GONE ON IN DOWNTOWN EDMONT HAS REALLY BLOWN MY MIND.

UM, SINCE WE'VE MOVED BACK, I REMEMBER, UH, WHEN IT WAS JUST KIND OF A SLEEPY BEDROOM COMMUNITY, THERE WERE NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LOCAL RESTAURANTS OR ESTABLISHMENTS.

THERE WAS A BUNCH OF CHAIN RESTAURANTS IN STRIP CENTERS.

AND, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE, HAS BEEN PRETTY REMARKABLE.

UM, THE MOMENTUM IS THERE, IT'S, IN MY OPINION ANYWAY, UH, AND I DO PROJECTS IN OKLAHOMA CITY AND KIND OF AROUND TOWN.

IT'S, IT'S THE HOTTEST DISTRICT IN THE METRO AREA, UH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS SHOCKING TO SAY.

UH, WHAT'S EVEN MORE, UM, SPECIAL ABOUT IT, I THINK, IS THAT IT'S DRIVEN BY LOCAL BUSINESSES, UH, LOCAL OPERATORS, LOCAL, UM, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS.

AND THAT CONTINUES TO BE WHAT DRIVES, DRIVES THE ENGINE, KEEPS THAT MOMENTUM GOING.

PRAIRIE IS, IS NO DIFFERENT.

THEY'LL SLIDE RIGHT INTO THIS, UM, INTO THIS FABRIC THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT GOING ON DOWN HERE.

AND WE'VE ESTABLISHED A FANTASTIC TEAM.

UM, I AM BY FAR THE THE LEAST IMPRESSIVE OF OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS.

ANDY TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.

A H M M OUR ARCHITECT IS AN INTERNATIONALLY AWARD-WINNING ARCHITECTURE FIRM, BUILDING CULTURE.

UH, OUR BUILDER IS A NATIONALLY AWARD WINNING, UH, WINNING FIRM IN PRAIRIE, OF COURSE IS A, A LOCAL BUSINESS, BUT ALSO A NATIONAL BRAND AND NATIONALLY AWARDED.

UM, BRINGING THEM DOWN HERE WILL BE, I THINK, UH, A POSITIVE, UH, BOOST FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND TO CONTINUE THE MOMENTUM THAT, THAT WE'VE SEEN GOING ON HERE AND THAT I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.

COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW? EXCITED ABOUT IT.

YEAH, IT'S VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO IT.

I, I LOVE HOW IT FITS IN DOWN THERE BETWEEN A H M M AND BUILDING CULTURE.

IT'LL BE A STUNNING BUILDING.

IT'LL BE BEAUTIFUL.

I THINK ABOUT WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO EDMOND, I WOULDN'T EVEN THOUGHT TO GONE DOWN THAT AREA PAST FIVE O'CLOCK, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A NEED OUTSIDE OF A TAG OR MAYBE A HAIRCUT.

AND NOW WE SEE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY AND A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING AFTER HOURS IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY.

, APPRECIATE YOUR COLLABORATION.

GRATEFUL THAT, UM, IN BREWERIES ALL THINGS ARE UNITED SEEMS MM-HMM.

AS BEST AS IT CAN BE.

AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO THE POSITIVE IMPACT.

ALSO, APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET DOWN THERE AND WITH OUR COORDINATOR DOWN THERE TO MAKE THINGS AS SMOOTH AS WE CAN.

EMILY'S GREAT AND THE FARMER'S MARKET IS AN ASSET.

UM, AND, AND WE, WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO WORK WITH THEM AND PROMOTE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

SINCE IS THIS SOMEWHAT OF A DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION? ANY COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE? SCENE NINE.

THEN WE HAD ANOTHER ONE, OTHER ITEM FIVE.

A FIVE, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION.

HOLD ON, MAKE A COMMENT.

I ASKED THE QUESTION.

PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

I JUST ASKED.

SORRY, I JUST ASKED FOR THAT AND YOU DIDN'T MOVE SO I DIDN'T SEE YOU.

WELL, I WAS TRYING, I JUST, I'M GETTING AROUND A LITTLE SLOWER THESE DAYS HERE.

YES, MY NAME'S DAN O I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE KENTUCKY? DOES THIS COVER THE KENTUCKY DAISY STATUE AND OUR DEDICATION TO THE CENTENNIAL? THAT PLAZA THAT'S NORTH OF THE FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE, THE FARMER'S MARKETPLACE.

ANDY, I'M GONNA SPEAK TO IT.

YES, PLEASE.

SO THE CONSTRUCTION LAY DOWN AREA, WHICH WAS IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT BUT WASN'T COVERED IN HERE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION LAY DOWN AREA IS GONNA BE, SO KENTUCKY DAISY IS RIGHT HERE.

THE CONSTRUCTION LAY DOWN AREA IS GONNA BE ROUGHLY FROM HERE, DOWN HERE THROUGH THIS ALLEY, THIS AREA HERE.

SO NO, WILL NOT INTERRUPT THE KENTUCKY DAISY NOR THE ART THAT'S IN THE AREA THAT IS PARKING ON THE RIGHT OF THE BUILDING.

WE'VE GOT THE BUILDING.

AND THAT'S PARKING THERE.

IS IT? WHERE? THAT'S A PLAZA? THAT'S A PLAZA.

SO THE, THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE WILL BE BUILT RIGHT HERE IN THIS AREA.

RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS WHERE THE STRUCTURE WILL BE.

SO WON'T, WON'T, WON'T TAKE AWAY ANY PARKING.

ALL THE PARKING WILL BE HERE.

ALL THIS PARKING WHICH, SORRY, THE OLDER, OLDER AERIAL HERE.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS ALL NOW PAVED.

THIS IS WHEN THE

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CITY REDID THIS LOT.

SO YEAH, THIS WAS PART OF OUR CENTENNIAL PROJECT IN 2007, THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA.

WE HAD A COMMITTEE THAT DID THAT.

AND THAT PLAZA WAS AN EXTENSION OF, OF OUR EFFORTS THERE TO HONOR OUR CENTENNIAL.

AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF BRICKS, UH, HISTORICAL BRICKS OR FAMILY BRICKS, BUT I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALL AROUND THE STATUE.

SO NONE OF THAT WOULD BE, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE, UH, UH, CROWDED IN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY WELL USED.

SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO FIVE A FIVE, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION FOR FLEET LEASE FUND FOR TICKING BIRD GOLF UNDER 75,000.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY,

[5. Approval of Supplemental Appropriation for Fleet Lease Fund for Kickingbird Golf; $175,000.00. (Ward 2)]

BRIAN, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND JUST BRIEFLY MENTION WHAT THIS IS FOR HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL? BRIAN SORENSON, DIRECTOR OF GOLF AT KICKING BIRD GOLF.

I KNOW COUNCILMAN ROBBINS, YOU AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS.

UH, BASICALLY WE'RE AT THE TAIL END OF OUR, UH, CLUBHOUSE PROJECT GOLF COURSE PROJECT.

AND ONE OF THE MOST RECENT ITEMS, UM, AND HOPEFULLY ONE OF THE FINAL ITEMS OF OUR PROJECT WAS DOWN IN OUR CART STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH IS AN UNDERGROUND CART BARN.

THROUGH THE VETTING OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO, WE LOOKED AT, UM, HAVING TO DO A POTENTIAL CHANGE ORDER FOR A LOWER CEILING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE, UM, LEAD ACID BATTERY GOLF CARTS.

THEY, TOWARDS THE END OF THEIR CHARGING CYCLE RELEASE HYDROGEN GAS.

AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE A POTENTIAL WAY THAT WE COULD HELP HAVE OUR VENTILATION SYSTEM GET ALL THAT HYDROGEN GAS OUT OF OUR UNDERGROUND CART BARN.

WE LOOKED AT A POTENTIAL NEW VENTILATION SYSTEM THAT WOULD, UH, DO THE SAME, BUT IT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP US BY REMOVING THE CEILING AND IT WOULD CREATE A, AN ENTIRELY NEW VENTILATION SYSTEM, WHICH WAS QUITE COSTLY, UH, TO THE TUNE OF OVER $240,000.

SO WHEN WE WERE VETTING THESE OPTIONS, I QUICKLY MADE A CALL TO OUR CLUB CAR, GOLF CAR REP, AND I ASKED HIM IF THERE WAS ANY WAY WE COULD DO AN EMERGENCY CART FLEET TRANSFER FROM A LEAD ACID BATTERY CART TO LITHIUM ION.

UM, HE INQUIRED WITH THE MANUFACTURER AND HE WAS ABLE TO GET THAT DONE FOR US, BUT THAT DID COME WITH AN INCREASED COST.

AND SO THE GOLF COURSE HAS BEEN CLOSED.

WE'VE NOT BEEN OPERATIONAL.

AND SO WE NEEDED A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS BECAUSE ONE THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY, I KNOW WE HAVE TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING, IS THIS IS NOT A CHANGE ORDER.

THIS WAS, THESE ARE GONNA BE FUNDED THROUGH THE PARKS TAX FUND.

WE DO NOT.

WE'VE ALREADY PLEADED OUR RESERVES, UH, THROUGH THE GOLF COURSE RESERVES.

AND SO WE WERE NEEDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

PARKS TAX FUND IS GOING TO FUND THIS.

AND AS I WAS TALKING TO COUNCILMAN ROBBINS, EVEN IN MY ORIGINAL PROPOSAL AS WE WOULD PAY BACK THE PARKS TAX FUND, UH, OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME I'D BE WORKING WITH KATHY IN FINANCE.

AND THESE GOLF CARTS UNDER THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES ARE GOING TO LAST APPROXIMATELY SEVEN YEARS.

AND SO PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AN ENTERPRISE FUND FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND IS WE MUST COVER ALL OF OUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES.

AND SO WHAT WE WERE DOING, AND AS I WAS TALKING TO COUNCILMAN ROBBINS, I'M FAIRLY COMFORTABLE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY BACK THIS FLEET OVER THE SEVEN YEAR PERIOD AT $25,000 A YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE PAID BACK TO THE PARKS TAX FUND OUT OF OUR OPERATIONAL RESERVES.

SO, UH, SO COUNSEL IN CONSULTATION WITH BRIAN IN, UH, RECOGNITION OF THIS EXTRA NEEDED CAPITAL COSTS IN ORDER TO GET THE GOLF, UH, OUR GOLF COURSE OPEN ON TIME UNDER THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, WHICH, UH, THESE CARTS ARE ABLE TO DO, UM, MY, MY REQUEST WAS, IS THAT THAT WOULD BE PAID BACK BY THE USERS OVER THE LIFETIME OF THE CARTS WHILE NOT PUTTING OUR ENTERPRISE OPERATION IN PERIL.

SO BRIAN, UH, PROPOSED A SEVEN YEAR, $25,000 EACH, UH, YEAR TO BE DEPOSITED BACK INTO THE PARK TAX FUND SO THAT WE COULD APPROPRIATE IT TO OTHER PURPOSES.

SO ON THAT ITEM, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO ADOPT THE ITEM WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT THE AGREED PROPOSAL OF A SEVEN YEAR, $25,000 A YEAR REPAYMENT TO THE PARK TAX FUND BE, BE, BE PAID BY THE, BY THE GOLF COURSE BACK TO THAT FUND.

THANK YOU SIR.

BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS TAKE A MOTION FOR OFF ALL OF THE ITEMS FROM FIVE A ONE THROUGH SEVEN, BUT WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE YOUR CONCURRENCE ON THAT.

WELL, DO WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN, LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GONNA PAY IT BACK? DO WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THERE SPECIFICALLY? WE'RE GONNA PUT IT, WE'RE GONNA PUT IT IN THE MINUTE SPECIFICALLY.

THANK, THANK YOU SIR.

DONE AT THAT FACILITY OUT THERE.

BRIAN.

I JUST WANNA TAKE THIS TIME TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AND YOUR STAFF OR ALL THE AMAZING WORK YOU'VE

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IT'S GONNA BE AN INCREDIBLE PLACE TO BE.

IT'S GONNA BRING IN SO MUCH REVENUE FOR THIS CITY.

UM, JUST AS OUR TENNIS COURT IS, IS IT'S GONNA BE A PLACE TO GO IN THE COUNTRY.

I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT IT.

YOU'VE STAYED ON TOP OF EVERYTHING AND I JUST CAN'T WAIT FOR IT TO OPEN.

WELL THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN UP HERE A FEW TIMES, BUT I DO WANNA LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT THIS IS TRULY A COMMUNITY ASSET.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A GOLFER TO COME UP AND ENJOY WHAT WE HAVE BUILT, UM, THROUGH ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT AND EVERYTHING.

SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED WITH THE THIRD PARTY PARTNER WITH THE LOOKOUT RUNNING OUR RESTAURANT.

WE'RE GONNA BE OFFERING BREAKFAST, LUNCH, DINNER.

AND AGAIN, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A GOLFER TO COME UP AND ENJOY AND THE FUN STUFF THAT SPECIAL EVENTS CENTER, A BUNCH OF FUN STUFF UP THERE.

, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

HEY, PRO, BEFORE YOU GET AWAY, I HAVE A QUESTION.

WOULD YOU MIND CHECKING WITH THE VISIT EDMOND AND SEE IF YOU CAN'T WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT WITH THE CONFERENCE CENTER IN THE VARIOUS HOTELS AROUND TOWN, UH, TO MAYBE WORK WITH THEM TO HAVE A STARTER'S TIME IF THEY'VE GOT A CONFERENCE OVER THERE AND THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE WANT TO GO PLAY GOLF AND THEY CALL YOU AT THE LAST MINUTE, CAN YOU TALK TO THEM ABOUT A COMMAND? I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT 'EM GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE GOLF.

EXACTLY.

AND SEE IF YOU CAN WORK THAT OUT.

AND COUNCILMAN MOORE AND THE, AND THE CITY COUNCIL MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THIS, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JENNER, JENNIFER SETON WITH VISIT EDMOND.

WE HAD 20 LOCAL HOTELS AND AIRBNBS COME OUT TO THE GOLF COURSE AND TAKE A TOUR OF WHAT WE HAD.

AND WE'VE CREATED PARTNERSHIPS WITH THEM ALREADY.

THEY'RE GONNA OFFER DISCOUNTS, SOME OF IT TO SOME OF THE PARTICIPANTS THAT COME AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE EVENTS THAT ARE BEING HELD AT KICKING BIRD.

SO I'D BE VERY MUCH OPEN TO EXTEND THEM THE SAME TYPE OF GESTURE THEY'VE EXTENDED TO US TO PARTNERING WITH US TO, IF THEY HAD A GROUP COME TO TOWN, WE COULD RESERVE A COUPLE OF TEA TIMES FOR THAT GROUP IF THEY HAD GUESTS THAT WANTED TO COME.

AND THAT WOULD JUST BE COMMUNICATIONS WITH SHERRY BANISTER AND THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE.

AND EVEN IF IT'S A LAST MINUTE DEAL, ABSOLUTELY.

TWO HOURS BEFORE THEY WANT TO GO.

CAN YOU WORK WITH THEM ON SOME? WE WILL WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.

THANKS BRIAN.

WELL COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON ITEMS FIVE A ONE THROUGH SEVEN? MOVE TO APPROVE? YOU HAVE A MOTION? SECOND.

THOSE ITEMS HAVE PASSED.

NEXT ARE, UH,

[1. Approval of Amendment to the Professional Services Agreement with LAUD Studio for Construction Observation Services for the Wayfinding Signs Project for the Community Image Department; $17,500.00. (Citywide)]

APPROVAL PURCHASES.

WE DO HAVE A COUPLE THAT HAVE STAFF COMMENTS.

I WILL ANNOTATE THAT WHEN THAT, WHEN WE GET THERE.

THE FIRST ONE IS APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH LA OR IS IT? LAW STUDIO FOR CONSTRUCTION OBSERVATION SERVICES FOR THE WAYFINDING SCIENCE PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY IMAGE DEPARTMENT FOR $17,500.

THIS ONE.

NEXT ONE IS FOR THE STEVENSON PARK.

UH, THERE IS STAFF COMMENTS ON THIS ONE.

APPROVAL OF STEVENSON'S PARK CHANGE ORDER NUMBER TWO WITH RUDY CONSTRUCTION FOR STEVENSON'S PARK AND FOURTH STREET PROJECT INCREASE OF $80,613 AND 45 CENTS IN THE ADDITION OF 18 CALENDAR DAYS TO THE CONTRACTED COMPLETION DATE.

EVENING BY AUCTION DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY QUALITY.

SO THIS CHANGE ORDER WILL, UH, COVER SEVERAL ITEMS THAT, UM, AS CONSTRUCTION, AS PROGRESS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS BEING NECESSARY.

UH, AT FIFTH AND WHITTLER THERE'S A, UH, RAMP FROM A PRIVATE BUSINESS, UH, THAT NEEDS SOME WORK AS IT ENTERS THE RIGHT OF WAY, THERE'LL BE SOME CONDUIT INSTALLED, UM, FOR OUR FIBER CONNECTIONS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

AND IN ADDITION TO THE WORK THAT'S NEEDED, THEY ALSO NEEDS SOME MORE TIME TO COMPLETE THE TASKS.

SO THIS WILL EXTEND OUR ANTICIPATED COMPLETION DATE TO, UH, JUNE 24TH.

AND OF COURSE, AS A REMINDER, UM, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COMPLETION OF THE, UH, PAVILION THAT'S THERE IN THE PARK.

WE'RE STILL WAITING ON SOME MASSIVE, SOME COMPONENTS OF THAT.

SO BRIAN, DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE PLAY STRUCTURE'S GONNA MAKE IT? YES, THEY'RE STARTING TO PREPARE THE FOOTING FOR THE PLAY STRUCTURE.

UM, IT'S BEING DELIVERED NICE, UM, TO THE, TO THEIR FACILITY HERE IN TOWN.

SO YES, IT'S, WELL, IT'S AWAY.

BRIAN, QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION CAUSE I WASN'T HERE PREVIOUSLY WHEN IT WAS PROPOSED.

SO OBVIOUSLY STEVENSON PARK THERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON AND WE HAVE THE AMERICAN LEGION THAT RENTS FROM THE CITY, OUR HISTORICAL BUILDING THERE.

SO PART OF WHAT IS HAPPENING WILL BE IMPROVEMENT IN ADA ACCESS SO THAT OUR VETERANS AND SENIORS, UM, WHO ARE KIND OF SIGNIFICANT TO THAT AREA WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT AREA.

IS THAT CORRECT? GOOD POINT.

NEXT IS APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT WITH VICTUS ADVISORS FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO THE SPORTS FACILITY ASSESSMENT FOR $5,000.

THERE'LL BE, UH, MUCH, MUCH IMPROVED ACCESSIBILITY FOR, FOR ALL USERS THROUGHOUT THE PARK.

I ASSUME THAT WAS TRUE.

I JUST WANTED TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT OUR VETERANS AND SENIORS THERE HAD A, HAD A A GOOD ACCESSIBLE OPTIONS THROUGHOUT THERE AS THEY GO FROM AN ALLEGIANT TO BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT PART.

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BRIAN, WERE YOU GONNA, CAN YOU TAKE A MINUTE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS ADDITIONAL $5,000 WILL DO FOR US? OH, OH, THERE'S BRAD.

THEIR HAIRCUTS GOT ME ALL CONFUSED.

I DON'T KNOW WHO'S, WHO'S GETTING UPGRADE? MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

BRAD RAINEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

UM, BACK IN THE WINTERTIME, THE CITY ENGAGED VICTUS ADVISORS TO, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR SPORTS FACILITIES, HOW THEY'RE USED AND, AND MAYBE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO DEVELOP SOME SPORTS TOURISM.

UM, THERE, IT'S KIND OF A TWO PHASE STUDY, PHASE ONE'S BEEN COMPLETED THAT LOOKS AT, UM, KIND OF THE, THE EDMOND SPORTS MARKET AND, AND LOOKING AT STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, AND SOME OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES IDENTIFIED, AND WE HAVE THE OPTION TO KIND OF TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE EXISTING AGREEMENT.

WE CAN DO ONE AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT.

AND THAT ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT AS A 10 FIELD RECTANGULAR COMPLEX THAT WAS LISTED AS AN OPPORTUNITY.

WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO THAT.

UM, BUT THEY'LL TAKE A DEEPER DIVE.

THEY'LL LOOK AT, UM, ECONOMIC IMPACT IF THAT WERE TO BE BUILT, COST THE BEST WAY TO OPERATE IT IN A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT WE KIND OF WANT TO ADD ON, IF IT'S THE AMENDMENT IS, UM, ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES IS RENOVATING THE YOUTH BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FACILITIES.

SO THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL OF THEM, MITCH PARK, AC CAPLINGER, AND, UH, EDMOND 66 AS A WHOLE, AND MAKE THOSE SAME RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY'LL HAVE A, THAT'LL ALL BE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL REPORT IN ADDITION TO PHASE ONE THAT WE, WE'VE KIND OF HAD A SNEAK PEEK OUT.

BRAD, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHEN, WHEN DO WE THINK THE STUDY WILL BE DONE? WE'RE LOOKING AT JULY FOR FINAL PRESENTATION.

I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THAT STUDY.

YOU DIDN'T PUT A YEAR ON HIM GOING, I WANNA CONFIRM.

HEY.

AMEN.

NEXT ONE IS APPROVAL OF PURCHASE OF LAKE PETRO BOAT FOR THE POLICE PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, LIMITED TAX FUND FOR $183,045 AND 64 CENTS.

THAT'S A VALID QUESTION.

[4. Approval of Purchase of Lake Patrol Boat for the Police Public Safety Limited Tax Fund (PPSLTF); $183,045.64. (Citywide)]

NEXT,

[5. Approval of Purchase of Body Armor and Accessories for Police Department from COPS Products, LLC on State Contract SW0764; $238,650.00. (Citywide)]

UH, IS APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE OF BODY ARMOR ACCESSORIES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM COPS PRODUCTS LLC ON STATE CONTRACT SSW 0 7 64 FOR $238,650.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE STAFF COMMENTS ON THAT.

IT'S UP TO YOU, MAYOR.

WE CAN, IF, IF WE WANT OR YES, I WOULD.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT FOR OUR, OUR, THOSE FIRST RESPONDERS ARE OUT THERE.

AND THIS IS ONE THING I KNOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THE BODY ARMOR THAT THEY WEAR, UH, WE DO A, I THINK A VERY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT IT'S ALWAYS IN DATE UNDER WARRANTY.

SO CHIEF, IF YOU CAN JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THAT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, JD YOUNGER, UH, CHIEF OF POLICE, POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UH, SO THE CONTRACT THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU THERE WILL ACTUALLY COVER TWO FISCAL YEARS.

UH, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE EFFICIENT, NOT HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU, UH, TWICE.

AND SO, UH, AS THE MAYOR STATED, WE DO STAY WITHIN, UH, THE FIVE YEAR RECOMMENDED MANUFACTURER'S WARRANTY ON ALL THE BODY ARMOR, UH, THAT HAS GONE UP IN PRICE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, AS MOST THINGS HAVE.

UH, SO WITH THE AMOUNT THAT'S PROPOSED, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO REPLACE BOTH OUR FY UH, 23 BODY ARMOR NEEDS AND OUR FI 24 BODY ARMOR NEEDS.

VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

NEXT IS APPROVAL

[6. Approval of contract with Stolz Telecom for consulting services regarding an RFP for the replacement of a radio tower; $113,000.00. (Ward 4)]

CONTRACT WITH STTS TELECOM FOR CONSULTING SERVICES, UH, REGARDING RF P FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF A RADIO TOWER FOR $113,000.

SEVEN IS APPROVAL OF AGREEMENT WITH AT AND T FOR IP FLEX SIP TRUNKS AND MIS MANAGE INTERNET SERVICE FOR THE TELEPHONE AND DATA SERVICES FOR $36,363 AND 84 CENTS ANNUALLY REFERENCING THE STATE CONTRACT S W THOUSAND 14.

NUMBER EIGHT IS APPROVAL OF PURCHASE OF 70 GOLF CARTS AND ONE BEVERAGE CART FOR PICKING YOUR KICKING BIRD GOLF FOR 175,000.

NUMBER NINE IS APPROVAL OF CONTRACT WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL LOOP REPLACEMENT PROJECT FOR $93,700.

COUNSEL, THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR PURCHASES FOR COUNSEL TONIGHT.

QUESTION? YES SIR.

COME ON DOWN AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

COUNSEL, THIS APPROVAL OF THE APPROPRIATIONS OF THE, UH, FLEET GOLF COURSE A HUNDRED SAY 5,000.

IS THAT THE SAME AS

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NUMBER EIGHT DOWN HERE? APPROVAL OF PURCHASE OF 70 GOLF COURSES.

ARE WE TALKING THE SAME THING? MM-HMM.

? YES.

UM, HOW MUCH DOES THE GOLF COURSE COST US SO FAR? IS THIS AN ADDITIONAL COST ON TOP OF THE OTHER COST WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR THE GOLF COURSE? IS THIS AN ADD-ON? THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.

CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW MUCH WE PAID FOR SO FAR FOR THE GOLF COURSE UP TO DATE? THIS ADDITIONAL COST IS GONNA BE REIMBURSED.

IT'S BEING PAID OUT OF THE PARK FUND AND IT'S GONNA BE REIMBURSED TO THE PARK FUND FROM THE GOLF COURSE.

THIS IS THE SAME PARK FUND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO PUT A LIGHTED FLAG PULLED DOWN BY THE ARMORY AND HASN'T DONE SO IN A YEAR AND A HALF.

SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT PART'S MONEY? WE REQUESTED A LIGHTED FLAGPOLE SO WE COULD FLY THE, UH, THUNDERBIRD FLAG AND IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.

SO ARE WE TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THAT AND PUTTING IT IN THE GOLF COURSE AGAIN OR WHAT? NO, WE'RE NOT, SIR.

THE, THE, THE AND WHERE THE LIGHTED FLAGPOLE, I THINK SUPPOSED TO GO AT STEVENSON PARK IS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UH, BUT I HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT A LINE PL FLAG.

WELL, THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, SIR.

SO YOU GET, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU CONTACT SOMEONE ON HONOR.

HOW MUCH SO FAR HAS THE GOLF COURSE COST TODAY? AND IS THIS ANOTHER HUNDRED 75? ADD 175,000 ADDED TO THAT? THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW, BRIAN.

NO, BUT CAN'T, AND NOW, MA'AM, YOU SAID IT WAS A GREAT HOLD ON, SIR, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SO WE CAN PLEASE, PLEASE ANSWER RIGHT BEHIND.

HE'S COMING.

SIGN YOU GOOD? I COMING GOOD TO DATE, IT'S BEEN ABOUT $19,650,000.

UM, AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME FF AND E THAT WILL BE PURCHASED.

UM, AND AGAIN, JUST SO THERE'S CLARIFICATION IS THIS INITIATIVE THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE PAID BACK OUTTA OPERATIONAL REVENUE.

THE OTHER ONES HAVE BEEN OUTTA BOND FUNDING AND THOSE KIND OF INITIATIVES THERE, SO MM-HMM.

, ANOTHER QUESTION ADDED TO THAT.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, UH, IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE CITY FOR REVENUE.

WHAT ABOUT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES? YOU BUILT THIS HUGE, UH, CENTER TO EAT.

WE'VE GOT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY RESTAURANTS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THAT.

WHY ARE YOU THE GOVERNMENT MAKING THE REVENUE AND NOT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES MAKING? SIR, YOUR QUESTION IS NOT FOR, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY.

AND THAT'S THE PURCHASE OF THE HUNDRED 75.

SO THE HUNDRED 75,000 IS ADDED TO THE HUNDRED OR 19 MILLION SOMETHING ELSE, IS THAT CORRECT? SIR, WE WILL BE PAYING THIS BACK.

THE, THE HUNDRED, THIS 175,000 IS NOT ADDED ONTO.

AND THIS IS FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE GOLF CARTS IS THE GOLF COURSE? THIS IS FOR THE GOLF.

IT'S GONNA BE ON JUNE 30TH.

COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THESE ITEMS? I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.

A SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

THOSE PURCHASES BEEN APPROVED.

AND RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCE.

NEXT WE HAVE CONSIDERATION

[A. Presentation of Proposed Fee Changes for Building/Fire Code Services, Engineering, Planning, and Public Works Departments for FY24.]

UH, HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER STAFF PRESENTATION FOR PRESENTATION OF PROPOSED FEE CHANGES FOR BUILDING FIRE CODE SERVICES, ENGINEERING PLANNING, AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

JIM? YES SIR.

LIKEWISE, ENGINEERING INSPECTION FEES,

JIM SMITH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR OPERATIONS.

UH, THIS IS JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW BEFORE WE ADOPT THE, UH, PROPOSED FEES BEFORE, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO, IT'S REQUIRED TO BE ADOPTED BY, UH, ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION.

SO, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW, BUT WE'VE BROUGHT THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL TWICE BEFORE, ONCE, UH, MARCH 27TH, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP AND AGAIN ON MAY 8TH.

UH, THE FEE UPDATES ARE FROM FOUR DEPARTMENTS, PLANNING, ENGINEERING, PUBLIC WORKS AND BILLING SERVICES.

ON APRIL 19TH, THE UM, POST FEE UPDATES WERE PRESENTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ALL RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.

AND AGAIN, YOUR NEXT FEW ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WILL BE, UH, RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO ADOPT THESE FEES.

SO VERY QUICKLY, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT FEE AND THE PROPOSED FEE, THE SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS IN A FEW DIFFERENT, UH, TYPE OF PERMITS.

AND, UM, THE REASON FOR THESE FEE ADJUSTMENTS IS TO CAPTURE ACTUAL COST OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE AND, UH, TO LOOK AT MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO CUSTOMER SERVICE.

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UH, THOSE ARE FOR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION AND BASED ON A SLIDING SCALE, UH, ON THE, UM, BASED ON THE TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS, YOU CAN SEE THE EDMOND CURRENT FEES, PROPOSED FEES AND A COMPARISON TO OKLAHOMA CITY AND WHAT THEIR RATES ARE.

UH, PUBLIC WORKS SERVICE INSTALL FEES.

THIS IS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A WATER METER.

UM, AND WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS CURRENTLY, WHICH IS THE CONTRACTOR, THE DEVELOPER, UH, CONTRACTOR CAN INSTALL THE METER OR THE CITY CAN INSTALL IT.

IN THAT CASE, THE DEVELOPER WHO WOULD HIRE, BASICALLY HIRE THE, UH, CITY TO INSTALL THE METER AND, UH, PAY FOR THE METER ITSELF.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY CHARGING, UM, WHAT OUR ACTUAL COST IS ON THE SECOND COLUMN AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, THE FEE INCREASE TO GO TO, AGAIN, TO CAPTURE OUR ACTUAL COSTS OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE FOR DIFFERENT METER SIZES.

UH, LIKEWISE BUILDING SERVICES.

UM, THE CHARTS TO THE RIGHT SHOWS A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT AND FEES OF THE CURRENT FEES AND PROPOSED FEES.

UH, WE'RE PROVIDING EXAMPLES HERE FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, BUILDING PERMITS FOR 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOME.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT COSTS, UH, TOTAL OF ALL FEES, EXCLUDING THE IMPACT FEES FOR WATER WASTEWATER $794 AND PROPOSED FEES WOULD BRING US TO 1,113 IN THIS CASE INCREASE OF $319.

UH, LIKEWISE, ANOTHER EXAMPLE FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDING 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT COST, UH, EXCLUDING THE WATER WASTE, WATER IMPACT FEES, PROPOSED COSTS, AND THEN THE, UH, RESULTING INCREASE OF THIS FEE INCREASES.

SO IF WE LOOK AT IT, UH, BIG PICTURE, UH, ESTIMATED ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR EACH DEPARTMENT OVER A ONE YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS FOR PLANNING ENGINEERING, PUBLIC WORKS AND BUILDING SERVICES AND ALL FOUR DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER TOTALS $836,000.

AND AGAIN, THESE, UH, INCREASES ARE TO CAPTURE ACTUAL COST AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO CUSTOMER SERVICE.

UH, NEXT STEPS GOING FORWARD.

ALL APARTMENTS WILL HAVE THEM REVIEW FEES ANNUALLY AND, UH, SUBMIT ANY FEE ADJUSTMENTS AS NECESSARY EVERY TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER IS APPROPRIATE.

BUT WE WANT TO KEEP UP WITH, UH, INCREASE IN COSTS.

UM, THE PROPOSED FEE SCHEDULED UPDATES WILL BE ADOPTED WITH THE FY 24 BUDGET.

AND, UH, AGAIN, THE NEXT FEW ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA WILL BE THE RESOLUTION AND AMENDMENT ORDINANCES.

ANY QUESTIONS? MM-HMM.

AND FOR THE AUDIENCE SAKE, RE REMIND OF WHAT, UH, WHEN DID WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC WORKSHOP ON THIS? UH, YES.

THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.

YEAH, WE HAD HOW MANY HAVE, DO WE HAVE ONE OR TWO? WE HAD TWO MM-HMM.

THAT I PRESENTED THESE AT BEFORE MM-HMM.

COUNSEL.

UH, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS HERE.

THANKS, JIM.

JUST A MINUTE, SIR, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS HERE THAT ARE GONNA BE FOR PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE.

UM, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? UH, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.

I MEAN, IT WILL SURPRISE NOBODY THAT TAUGHT ME IN THE SCHOOL THAT I DIDN'T BECOME AN ENGINEER.

UH, SO WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THESE, THE FIRST QUESTION I HAD WAS, HAS THIS BEEN, UH, PRESENTED TO THOSE WITHIN THE INDUSTRY? AND, UM, THEIR FEEDBACK TO ME WAS, UH, WANTING, UH, TO SEE THESE INCREASE AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICES BECAUSE IT HAD NOT BEEN DONE FOR, DONE SO IN A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND, UH, I'M VERY ENCOURAGED BY THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF IS GOING AND WORKING WITH SCOTT SO THAT EVERY TWO YEARS WE'LL HAVE A REVIEW PERIOD ON THIS.

UH, SO THERE ISN'T, YOU KNOW, QUITE, QUITE A JUMP IN THOSE THINGS.

UH, BUT IT, WHEN IT COMES TO, AND I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE SPECIFIC COMMITTEE THAT'S MADE UP OF APPOINTED CITIZENS OF DIRK, DIRK, DIRK, MM-HMM , DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW, COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT, IMPACT REVIEW COMMITTEE.

THE, UH, THE FEEDBACK WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE IN LINE, UH, WITH NOT SUBSIDIZING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WENT, UH, THROUGH THIS.

AND UM, AND LOOK, I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.

IN ALL THESE NEW BUILDINGS YOU'RE GONNA BUILD, UH, DOES THIS INCREASE INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING ON IT? ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AN EX, UH, UPGRADE OF MONEY TO PAY FOR THESE INCREASES FOR ALL OF THESE SERVICES? I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.

ANY COMMENTS FROM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? SIR, PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

I THINK BY NOW I DON'T NEED AN INTRODUCTION.

I'M WINNER SCOTT.

QUESTION SIR, ABOUT THIS.

UH, SIR, PLEASE ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.

WELL, I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION.

WE JUST INCREASED A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY.

DOES THIS IMPACT, BY THE WAY,

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I'M AN OLD TAXPAYER AND I'M CONCERNED.

WANT ME TO, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RESPOND PLEASE? SO, UH, THESE COSTS WILL BE EMBEDDED WITHIN THE PROJECT COST OF THOSE OF THE CITY CENTER COMPLEX AS WELL AS Y M C A LIBRARY CITY BUILDINGS.

IT'LL BE FUNDED OUT OF THE 44 MILLION FOR THE CITY CENTER.

AND I'M LOOKING FOR ANDY, HE LEFT 30 MILLION FOR THE Y M C A.

THESE WILL NOT BE ADDITIONAL COSTS.

THEY'LL HAVE TO BE COVERED WITHIN THOSE BUDGETED AMOUNTS.

SO IT'S EMBEDDED IN IT ALREADY.

YOU ALREADY FACTORED IN THIS INCREASED PRICE.

YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

IT'S ABOUT A 50% INCREASE.

I MEAN THESE VIEWS ARE A SMALL PART OF THE PROJECT.

WE HAVE THE FIRST ONE IS, OH, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 39 48.

VERY SMALL.

AND I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT.

ANYTIME THE CITY DOES PROJECTS, WE FOLLOW THE SAME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WE ASK OF THE DEVELOPED COMMUNITY.

SO IF THERE ARE BUILDING PERMITS TO BE PAID, WE PAY BUILDING PERMITS, ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, WE PAY THOSE IMPACT FEES.

WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO DO THINGS THAT WHEN WE DO OUR OWN PROJECTS, WE DON'T FOLLOW MM-HMM .

SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY PLEASE.

SO COUNSEL,

[B. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ____ Amending Title 16 Of The Edmond Municipal Code – Buildings And Construction By Modifying Section 16.04.150 - Fee Schedule By Modifying Fees Related To Plan Examination, Building Permit, And Inspection Related To Construction Of New Commercial Buildings, Additions, Alterations, Or Accessory Structures And For The Demolition Of Any Commercial Building, Portion Of Building, Or Structure; And By Modifying Section 16.06.150 – Fee Schedule By Modifying Fees Related To Plan Examination, Building Permit, And Inspection Related To Construction Of New Residential Buildings, Additions, Alterations, Or Accessory Structures And For The Demolition Of Any Residential Building Or Structure; And By Modifying Section 16.10.140 – Fee Schedule By Modifying Fees Related To Plumbing Work; And By Modifying Section 16.12.140 – Fee Schedule By Modifying Fees Related To The Fuel Gas Code; And By Modifying Section 16.14.140 – Fee Schedule By Modifying Fees Related To Mechanical Work; And By Modifying Section 16.16.130 – Fee Schedule By Modifying Fees Related To The National Electrical Code; And By Modifying Section 16.38.040 – Schedule Of Fees And Method Of Charge Computation By Modifying Fees Related To Inspection For Public Works Improvements; And Providing For Repealer And Severability; And Providing An Effective Date.]

39 48 AMENDING TITLE 16 OF THE EDMOND MUNICIPAL COURT CODE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION BY MODIFYING SECTION 16 4 50 FEE SCHEDULED BY MODIFYING FEES RELATED TO THE PLAN EXAMINATION, BUILDING, PERMIT AND INSPECTION RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, ADDITIONS, ALTERATIONS OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

AND FOR THE DEMOLITION OF ANY COMMERCIAL BUILDING PORTION OF BUILDING OR STRUCTURE.

AND BY MODIFYING SECTION 16.0 6 1 50 FEE SCHEDULED BY MODIFYING FEES RELATED TO THE PLAN EXAMINATION, BUILDING PERMIT, AND, UH, INSPECTION RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, ADDITIONS, ALTERATIONS OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

AND FOR THE DEMOLITION OF ANY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING OR STRUCTURE.

AND BY THE MODIFYING SECTION SIXTEEN, ONE TEN ONE FORTY FEE SCHEDULED BY MODIFYING FEES RELATED TO PLUMBING WORK AND BY MODIFYING SECTION 16 POINT 12 1 40 FEE SCHEDULED BY MODIFYING FEES RELATED TO THE FUEL GAS CODE AND BY MODIFYING SECTION 16 14 1 40 FEE SCHEDULED BY MODIFYING FEES RELATED TO THE MECHANICAL WORK.

THEN BY MODIFYING SECTION 16 16 1 30 FEE SCHEDULED BY MODIFYING FEES RELATED TO THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE.

AND BY MODIFYING SECTION 16 38 1 0 0 4 0, SCHEDULE FEES AND MO AND METHOD OF CHARGE COMPUTATION BY MODIFYING FEES RELATED TO THE INSPECTION FOR PUBLIC WORKS' IMPROVEMENTS.

AND BY PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SIX B.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SIX B.

WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORANGE NUMBER 39 49.

SECOND PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE PASS.

[C. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ____ Amending Title 17 Of The Edmond Municipal Code – Fire Code By Modifying Section 17.04.200 – Fee Schedule By Modifying Fees Related To Plan Examinations, Specialized Permits, Inspections Of Fire Protection System, Operational Permits, Access Control Installations, Security Gates, And Portable Structures; And Providing For Repealer And Severability; And Providing An Effective Date.]

39 49 AMENDING TITLE 17 OF THE EDMOND MUNICIPAL CODE FIRE CODE BY MODIFYING SECTION 17.04 200 FEE SCHEDULED BY MODIFYING FEES RELATED TO THE PLAN EXAMINATION, SPECIALIZED PERMITS, INSPECTION OF FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM, OPERATE OPERATIONAL PERMITS, ACCESS CONTROL, INSTALLATION, SECURITY GATES AND PORTABLE STRUCTURES, AND PROVIDING FOR A REPEAL AND SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SIX C.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THAT ITEM IS PASSED.

HAVE PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 39 50.

AND NOW WE

[D. Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ____ Amending Title 22 of the Edmond Municipal Code – Zoning Ordinance by modifying Appendix B: - Consolidated List of Development Fees by modifying fees related to a Zoning Map Amendment, Site Plan, Planned Unit Development, and Mailed Notice, Providing For Repealer and Severability.]

39 50.

AMENDING TITLE 22 OF THE BB ADMIN MUNICIPAL CODE ZONING ORDINANCE BY MODIFYING APPENDIX FEE, CONSOLIDATED LIST OF DEVELOPMENT FEES BY MODIFYING FEES RELATED TO THE ZONING MAP, AMENDMENT, SITE PLAN, PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND MAIL NOTICE, UH, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND SEVERABILITY.

I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SIX D.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE THAT ITEM IS PASSED.

NEXT WE NEED A MOTION TO RECESS THE EDMAN CITY COUNCIL AND CONVENE THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING.

[ <Recess Edmond City Council Meeting and Convene Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting>]

SO MOVED.

SECOND MOTION.

ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF E P W A MEETING MINUTES, MAY 8TH, 2023.

WE'RE NOW IN THE E P W A MEETING

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AND THE FIRST

[7. Approval of EPWA Meeting Minutes: May 8, 2023]

MOTION TO APPROVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

ONE UP IS A CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS, ITEMS APPROVAL OF COLLATERAL, ASSIGNMENT OF GARAGE MANAGEMENT AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH 1 0 4 WEST MAIN STREET, LLC.

THOSE ARE MEETING MINUTES.

HAVE BEEN PASSED.

THEN WE HAVE OUR GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. FIRST

[1. Approval of Collateral Assignment of Garage Management and Maintenance Agreement with 104 West Main Street LLC ("The Oxlley"). (Ward 1)]

THAT IS THE ONLY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM WE HAVE RIGHT THERE.

EIGHT A ONE.

COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH THAT MOVE TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION.

PURCHASES UNDER, UH, THE E P W A.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE THAT HONOR IS PASSED.

NOW WE HAVE SOME

[1. Acceptance of a Proposal and Approval of KickingBird Golf Director of Instruction Services Agreement with Chase Cooper Golf LLC. (Ward 2)]

WE HAVE ACCEPTANCE AND APPROACH OF A PROPOSAL AND APPROVEMENT OF KICKING BIRD GOLF DIRECTOR OF INSTRUCTION SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH CHAD CHASE, COOPER GOLF LLC.

NUMBER TWO IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

UH, PROPOSAL BY BEAN ENGINEERING TO DEVELOP REAL TIME AUTOMATION CONTROLLERS FOR VARIOUS LOCATIONS.

ADMIN ELECTRIC FOR 27,000.

APPROVAL OF CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE FOR PREVENTATIVE COSTS AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE REPLACEMENT OF DAN FORCE SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER $43,288 AND 90 CENTS.

COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THESE E P W PURCHASES? MOTION TO APPROVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

THOSE E P W PURCHASES HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THEN WE HAVE CONSIDERATION AND RESOLUTION.

UM, CONSIDERING RESOLUTION NUMBER EIGHT DASH 23 8 DASH 23 A RESOLUTION UPDATING THE WATER SERVICES INSTALL FEES.

I MOVE TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION.

NOW COUNSEL, WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING.

THAT ITEMS PASSED.

AND

[ <Adjourn Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting and Reconvene Edmond City Council Meeting>]

MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOTION SECOND.

PLANNING DISCUSSION ITEMS. THESE ITEMS REQUIRE A SEPARATE VOTE FOR EACH ONE.

NOW WE'RE BACK INTO THE, UH, EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

NEXT ORDER IS THE

[A. Case #DD22-00022 Consideration for a Lot Split for Kennedy Tire, located south of West Edmond Road, on the east side of State Street. (Todd McKinnis) (Ward 3)]

THE FIRST ONE IS CASE NUMBER DD 22 DASH 22.

CONSIDERATION FOR A LOT SPLIT FOR KENNEDY TIRES LOCATED SOUTH OF WEST EDMOND ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF STATE STREET.

TODD MCKINNIS IS THE APPLICANT APPLICANT'S HERE? YES SIR.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED APPROVAL OF A LAW SPLIT THAT WILL CREATE A 7,900 SQUARE FOOT LOT.

THAT'S BASICALLY THIS LOT RIGHT HERE, JUST BELOW THAT RED LINE, UH, THAT WILL BE JOINED TO THE KENNEDY TIRE CENTER TO THE NORTH.

UH, THE SOUTH LOT REMAINS THE MOBILE HOME PARK.

THE LAMPLIGHTER MOBILE HOME PARK.

UH, THIS MATCHES THE P U D AND IT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT P U D WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

UM, PLANNING COMMISSION RE REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR MAY 5TH MEETING.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO.

DOES PPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THIS IN THE ITEM.

THAT'S A COMPANION ITEM COMING UP.

UH, ANY QUESTION, COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON 10? A MOTION TO APPROVE 10 A.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

HAVE CASE PR 23 DASH 0 0 4.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE WAS PASSED.

AND NEXT WE

[B. Case #PR23-00004 Consideration of the Final Plat for the McDonald’s Addition, located at 1235 North Kelly Avenue. (McDonald’s USA, LLC) (Ward 4)]

CONSIDERATION OF THE FINAL PLA FOR THE MCDONALD'S EDITION LOCATED AT 1 12 35 NORTH KELLY AVENUE.

MCDONALD'S USA, LLC IS THE APPLICANT.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE.

APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT.

IT'S UH, ON THE MCDONALD'S SIDE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF KELLY AND DANFORTH, WHICH IS GONNA BE REDEVELOPED WITH A NEW MCDONALD'S.

UH, IT'S ONE LOT ON 1.84 ACRES.

UH, THE PLAT MATCHES THE SITE PLAN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY THIS YEAR AND IT WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR MAY 2ND MEETING AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

COUNSEL ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? NO, NOTHING TO ADD.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? DEAN? NONE.

COUNSEL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS MOVE TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION? SECOND.

I'M MY APOLOGIES TO THE AUDIENCE AND, AND COUNSEL, UH, ITEM 10 CS IS, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE THAT ONE TO THE JUNE 12TH MEETING? YES, SIR.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED.

UM,

[C. Case #Z23-00002 Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ________ Rezoning from “D-1” PUD Restricted Commercial Planned Unit Development to “CBD” Central Business District for the property located at 501 N. Broadway. (Yay on Broadway) (Ward 1)]

I MOVE THAT WE

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CONTINUE ITEM 10 C TO THE JUNE 12TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

CASE NUMBER E S 23 DASH 0 0 0 6 0 6, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION AND ORDINANCE NUMBER 39 51.

THAT ITEM HAS BEEN CONTINUED.

[D. Case #ES23-00006 Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ________ closing an alley, located south of West Edmond Road, east of State Street. (Todd McKinnis) (Ward 3)]

39 51 CLOSING AN ALLEY LOCATED SOUTH OF WEST EDMOND ROAD, EAST OF STATE STREET.

TOM MCKENNA IS AN APPLICANT.

UH, AS MR. MCKENNA SAID EARLIER, THE A THIS IS A COMPANION TO THAT LAW SPLIT YOU SAW BEFORE.

UH, THEY ARE CLOSING A PORTION OF THE ALLEY BETWEEN THE KENNEDY TIRE CENTER AND THE LAMPLIGHT.

THAT'S THE AREA IS SHOWN IN RED.

THE ALLEY WILL BECOME PART OF THE KENNEDY TIRE CENTER AS DESCRIBED IN THE RECENTLY APPROVED P U D ALLOWING FOR THE TIRE CENTER TO EXPAND ITS EMPLOYEE PARKING TO THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING.

UH, EDMOND ELECTRIC IS IN THE ALLEY AND A 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT WILL BE GRANTED TO COVER THOSE LINES.

THERE ARE NO OTHER UTILITIES OTHER THAN THAT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR MAY 2ND MEETING.

IS THAT GONNA, OH, I CAN ASK APPLICANT.

UM, COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? NO, I, FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT? OR IS THAT GONNA BE FENCE OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE OPEN STILL BETWEEN THE, UH, UH, TRAILER PARK AND THE, IN, IN THE PARKING LOT? I BELIEVE WE AGREED AT THE, UH, P D APPROVAL PROCESS SINCE THAT'LL BE POTENTIALLY A GRAVEL LOT THAT WE'D SCREEN IT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS ITEM? MOVE TO APPROVE.

HAVE A MOTION.

NEXT IS CASE NUMBER S P 22 DASH 0 48 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR THE UNCOMMON GROUND SCULPTURE PARK LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST SECOND STREET, WEST OF COLING ROME ROAD.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE THAT IT IS PASSED.

PASS.

[E. Case #SP22-00048 Public Hearing and Consideration of a Site Plan application for The Uncommon Ground Sculpture Park located on the north side of East 2nd Street, west of Coltrane Road. (The Park Conservancy Trust) (Ward 2)]

THE PARK CONSERVANCY TRUST IS THE APPLICANT.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? APPLICANT HERE, MA'AM.

TO ELIMINATE THE SITE TRIANGLE AND RIGHT OF WAY AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SECOND AND COLD TRAIN.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN FOR AN ART AND SCULPTURAL PARK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SECOND STREET, WEST OF COLTRANE.

UH, THE PARK COVERS ALMOST 63 ACRES AND HAS A VARIETY OF ZONING DISTRICTS OVER THE SITE, INCLUDING A SINGLE FAMILY, C2, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND D TWO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.

ALL OF THESE DISTRICTS ALLOW PARK USE BY RIGHT.

UH, THE PLAN INCLUDES A VARIETY OF PARK USES, INCLUDING PLAYGROUNDS, WATER PLAY AREAS, DOG PARK, UH, AN ADVENTURE COURSE, SPORTS COURTS, AND EVENT SPACE.

THERE ARE FIVE STRUCTURES PLANNED.

THERE'S THE GLASSHOUSE EVENT CENTER, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE, UH, EXISTING HOUSE IS.

THERE'S A CROSS TIMBER CAMP, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH EDGE OF THE EVENT LONG.

THE TALL GRASS STAGE WAS AT THE SOUTH END OF THE EVENT LAWN CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF SECOND AND COLD TRAIN, THE HORSESHOE PAVILION, WHICH IS, UH, AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE WEST END.

AND THEN THE LAWN PAVILION, WHICH IS A NEW STRUCTURE ON THE FAR WEST EDGE.

UH, THE PARK ALSO INCLUDES OTHER SMALL PAVILIONS AND AMENITIES THROUGHOUT THE PARK, INCLUDING THE BIRDS NEST VIEWING TOWER, WHICH IS CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PARK.

UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED, AND I WILL TAKE SOME TIME AS I GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE.

SO, VARIANCE NUMBER ONE IS A VARIANCE TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF TILE ON THE PUBLIC SEWER FOR THREE SMALL BATHROOMS THROUGHOUT THE PARK, UH, INSTEAD ALLOWING FOR PRIVATE PUBLIC, OR, I'M SORRY, PRIVATE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO SUPPORT THIS VARIANCE, BUT IF ONE IS APPROVED, UH, WE NEED TO ENSURE THOSE SYSTEMS ARE, ARE PERMITTED, SUCH THAT THE SEPTIC FIELDS ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND BE, UH, LIMITED TO THOSE SPECIFIC MINOR USES.

VARIANCE TWO IS A REQUEST TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY.

UH, STAFF COULD SUPPORT THAT IF THE APPLICANT ACKNOWLEDGES THE NEED FOR A NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AND A SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE.

UH, AS THAT WOULD LIKELY BE THE RECOMMENDATION OF A COMPLETED TRAFFIC STUDY.

UH, THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH INSTALLING THESE TURN LANES WOULD, UH, BE BORN BY THE APPLICANT.

UH, THE VARIANCE FOR THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS THE DRIVEWAY DOWN HERE, THERE, UH, IT DOES NOT MEET THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS OF 325 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT STAFF COULD SUPPORT IF THE APPLICANT, UH, CONSTRUCTION RAISED MEDIAN, OR AT LEAST IS, UH, AMENDABLE TO THE IDEA OF A RAISED MEDIAN BEING CONSTRUCTED WITH, UH, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AT THIS LOCATION ON COAL TRAIN ROAD, PREVENTING INBOUND AND OUTBOUND LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS.

UH, THE FOURTH VARIANCE IS TO ELIMINATE THE RIGHT OF WAY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE ALONG EAST SECOND STREET, WHICH IS A MAJOR ARTERIAL AND COLTRAIN ROAD, WHICH IS A MINOR ARTERIAL.

UH, THERE'S ALSO A, A VARIANCE

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UH, STAFF COULD SUPPORT BOTH THOSE IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO DEDICATE AT NO COST TO THE CITY.

ALL REASONABLE EASEMENTS NECESSARY FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF UTILITIES AND ALL REASONABLE EASEMENTS NECESSARY FOR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, CURRENT ESTIMATE OF EASEMENT NEEDS, UH, ARE DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENTS OF 70 FEET FROM BOTH THE SECTION LINE ROADS AND A 35 BY 35 BY 50 DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENT TRIANGLE AT THE INTERSECTION OF D'S EASEMENT LINES.

UH, GRAINING OF THIS VARIANCE DOES NOT OBLIGATE THE CITY TO ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THE VARIANCE.

VARIANCE.

NUMBER SIX IS TO, UH, VARIANCE TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR ANY ROAD WIDE NEEDS ON COAL TRAIN.

AND E SECOND, UH, STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT A VARIANCE TO THIS REQUIREMENT WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE.

SPECIFYING RESPONSIBILITIES RELATED TO THE IMPROVEMENTS ON COAL TRAIN AND OR EAST SECOND STREET.

UM, VARIANCE NUMBER SEVEN IS TO ALLOW DRIVE, UH, DRIVE AISLE WIDTH OF 63 FEET ONTO THE COAL TRAIN, WHICH IS THIS DRIVE RIGHT HERE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK.

UH, STAFF COULD SUPPORT IF THE APPLICANT SUBMITS PROVABLE PLANS FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY CROSSING OF THAT DRIVEWAY.

UH, IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD BE INSTALLED AT NO COST OF THE CITY.

UH, VARIANCE NUMBER EIGHT IS FOR THE BIRD'S NEST TOWER AND THE CONCERT SHELL HEIGHT, WHICH ARE BOTH OVER 35 FEET, WHICH IS ALLOWED FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT'S.

UH, STAFF CAN SUPPORT THAT VARIANCE IF THE OCCUPIABLE SPACE IS NOT ABOVE THE 35 FEET AND THE LOCATION OF THE BIRD'S NEST REMAINS MORE THAN 400 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENCE.

AND ALL OF THE LIGHTING MEETS THE CITY OF EDMONDS, UH, LIGHTING CODE.

AND THEN THE LAST VARIANCE, NUMBER NINE IS A VARIANCE TO PROVIDING DETENTION ON THE SITE.

UH, STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT A VARIANCE TO THIS REQUIREMENT WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE SPECIFYING THE RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, RELATED TO THE USE AND IMPROVEMENTS, UH, OF THE NEIGHBORING DETENTION FACILITY.

AND THAT DETENTION FACILITY IS ROUGHLY RIGHT THERE, THERE IN THE CORNER OF THE PARK.

IT'S ACTUALLY A PART OF THE HUNT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THERE WERE TWO ASSOCIATED APPLICATIONS ALSO MADE WITH THE, UH, WITH THIS, THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATS.

UH, THE PLAT HAS THREE LOTS.

TRACT ONE, WHICH IS ON THE NORTH, WHICH IS NINE, UH, 0.32 ACRES.

UH, IT'S MORE OR LESS RIGHT AROUND THE EXISTING HOUSE.

TRACT TWO IS THE LARGEST PART.

IT'S, UH, 44.53 ACRES.

AND THEN TRACK THREE, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE ALONG, UH, SECOND STREET, UH, IS A SITE OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND IS ALMOST FIVE ACRES.

UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR APRIL 18TH MEETING.

UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE RISKS TO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM VERSUS PUBLIC SEWER.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR STAFF? UM, ON THE FIRST VARIANCE, TALKING ABOUT AN EXCEPTION TO HOOKING INTO THE PUBLIC SEWER ON THE THREE RESTROOMS. UM, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE FROM STAFF ABOUT, UM, THE REQUIREMENT TO HOOK INTO PUBLIC SEWER IN THAT CASE, AND KIND OF THE PROS AND CONS THERE.

DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT IF SOMEONE COULD? OKAY.

SO, UH, ANYWHERE THERE'S SEWER SERVICE AVAILABLE IN THE CITY OF EDMOND, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO CONNECT TO THAT SERVICE.

UM, THEY'VE ASKED FOR VARIANCES FOR THREE LOCATIONS, RIGHT? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT IN, IN SEVERAL WAYS.

UM, WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, AT A, AT A PARK, MOST OF OUR PARKS TIE INTO CITY OWNED PARKS, TIE INTO THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT.

UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT A FEW AREAS THAT MAY BE, UH, WE REALLY JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION QUITE YET.

IS, IS REALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

THERE ARE AREAS THAT, UM, MAY BE, UH, UNREASONABLE OR, OR, UH, FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO CONNECT, UH, FOR THE GIVEN USES INTO THE SANITARY SEWER.

THEY MAY BE 500 FEET AWAY.

THEY MAY BE ACROSS THE CREEK.

THERE ARE ISSUES LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THIS POINT, TOO.

SO DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THE COST WOULD BE? AND MAYBE THIS IS MORE FOR THE APPLICANT, I GUESS WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, UM, TO HOOK INTO PUBLIC SEWER IN THAT PLACE.

SO I'LL JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE.

THAT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DISCUSS MORE.

UM, IF THIS WERE, UM, IF THIS WERE A CITY OWNED PARK, WHICH IT'S NOT AT THIS POINT, THEN WE WOULD BE HOOKING INTO PUBLIC SEWER.

AND SO IF WE'RE GONNA BE THE BENEFICIARY OF THE PARK AND IT'S GONNA BE VIEWED AS CITY, I JUST, I ALSO JUST KIND OF WANT TO KNOW, ARE THERE SOME RISKS TO, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT SEWAGE.

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I WOULD THINK MAYBE POTENTIALLY MORE PROBLEMATIC, BUT THAT'S WHY I JUST THINK WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA DISCUSS THAT ONE.

ANY OTHER, I'M SURE WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS.

IT'S KIND OF THE, ALMOST EVERY VARIANT IN HERE.

COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR, I THINK I WANNA LISTEN TO THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS ANSWERED.

THEY'LL BE CLARIFIED BY THE APPLICANT.

I THINK SO, TOO.

APPLICANT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, RANDALL STATED FOR THE APPLICANT, DETECTIVE FRENCH, UH, FAMILY PUBLIC TRUST, UNLIKE THE GUY ON TV, I AM NOT THE NUMBER ONE LAWYER AND NUMBER TWO, COUNCILMAN.

UH, SO I'LL LET, UH, OUR EXPERTS TALK ABOUT THE SEWER CONNECTIONS FACTS.

THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ALL THE, THE VARIANCES, AND WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS WITH, UH, I DO HAVE, UH, CALEB MORGAN AND MARK ZEL WITH ME TONIGHT WITH JOHNSON ASSOCIATES, AND THEY'LL BE ADDRESSING THAT.

I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE PRETTIES, THE PRETTY PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT'S THE PARK ITSELF.

IT'S CALLED THE UNCOMMON GROUND SCULPTURE PARK, BUT IT'S GOT MANY VENUES THAT I WANT TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH.

YOU SAW SOME OF THE THINGS, UH, BUT THEY'RE ALL BUILT AROUND SCULPTURE.

UH, AND IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING LIKE THERE.

IT'S, UH, UN THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT IN THIS AREA, IN THIS REGION.

UH, THE LAND, UH, WAS ACQUIRED, UH, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO FOR FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

IT'S FREE AND CLEAR.

AND THE CONCEPT WE'RE USING IS THE SAME CONCEPT, BOTH ORGANIZATIONALLY, CONSTRUCTION WISE AND OPERATION MAINTENANCE WISE AT THE GATHERING PLACE IN TULSA USE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THEIR FOOTPRINT.

EXACTLY.

UH, THERE WILL BE AN OWNERSHIP LLC, UH, OR A CONSTRUCTION L L C THAT'LL BUILD THIS PARK.

THE PARK IS GONNA BE GIFTED TO THE PARK CONSERVATIVE TRUST THAT TRUST WAS INITIALLY AND ORIGINALLY SET UP TO OWN THIS PARK.

IT'S TAKEN ON ANOTHER CONTRACT FUNCTION OF PUBLIC ART, BUT THAT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE IN THE PARK FROM WHAT THIS APPLICATION, UH, THE CITY'S, UH, DIRECTOR OF ART DOES NOT WORK FOR THE PARK.

UH, AND THERE'LL BE A MAINTENANCE LLC.

BOTH THESE LLCS ARE NONPROFITS, AND THOSE WILL BE, UH, THAT ORGANIZATION RESPONSIBLE FOR THE, THE OPERATIONS AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PARK.

UH, YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE, KRISTEN, OR WAS MINE.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS WORKS FOR ME.

IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T LAST TIME, BUT LET ME, OOPS.

IT'S AN ARCHITECTURAL INTERACTIVE FEATURE.

THIS IS THE, UH, LAYOUT OF THE PARK.

IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, YOU, YOU CAN'T READ A LOT OF WHAT'S ON THERE, BUT I'LL DOWN HERE ON THE LEGEND, I'M GONNA POINT OUT THE STRUCTURES AND THEN I'LL HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE STRUCTURES AND SHOW YOU SOME OTHER USES IN THE PARK.

UH, BUT THE FIRST IS THE BURDEN NEST.

IT'S RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S THE, UH, DISCUSSION OF THE, UH, SMALL VARIANCE.

UH, BUT THAT'S A, IT'S 52 TO 54 FEET TOTAL.

A LOT OF IT IS THE PARTS THAT GO UP, LIKE THE BURDEN NEST.

THE ACTUAL DECK IS AT 37 FEET.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY STAND ON.

YOU'LL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE INTO THE BACKYARDS ANYWHERE IN HUNT WICK, UH, AS THIS ALL REMAINS A TREE PRESERVE HERE.

AND WE'RE, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, WE'VE ALREADY PLANTED A WHOLE ROW OF TREES HERE AND SOME MORE BACK HERE.

UH, THAT WE GOT A GRANT FROM OKLAHOMA CITY COMMUNITY FOUNDATIONS TO DO.

THAT WAS A $50,000 GRANT THAT WAS MATCHED, THAT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF NEW TREES.

AND, UH, SPRINKLER FOR THE NUMBER TWO IS THE GLASS HOUSE.

THIS IS WHERE THE OLD HOME USED TO BE, THE JOHNSON HOME.

UH, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO REPURPOSE IT BECAUSE IT HAD NOT HAD, UH, SUFFICIENT MAINTENANCE OVER THE YEARS.

SO, UH, I'LL SHOW YOU A PHOTO OF THAT.

IT IS ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, A LITTLE VISITOR CENTER IN A LITTLE EVENT AREA.

UH, IT'S A STRUCTURE THAT RAN ELLIOT IN OKLAHOMA CITY, WHO EVERYONE I THINK KNOWS, HAS DESIGNED, HE ALSO DESIGNED, UH, THE BIRD NEST AND SOME OTHER STRUCTURES.

THE HORSE FEW PAVILION.

THIS IS THE OLD BARN HORSE BARN.

200 FEET BY 50 FEET.

UH, WE'RE GONNA TEAR OFF ABOUT A THIRD ON THIS END.

THE BACK TWO THIRDS WILL BE MAINTENANCE.

THE FRONT IS GONNA BE, UH, PART OF THE, UH, HORSESHOE PAVILION.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

UH,

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THE LAWN PAVILION IS THIS RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF LAWN PAVILIONS, QUITE FRANKLY, THROUGH THIS PARK IS, THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF GARDENS.

PICNIC GROVE IS NUMBER SIX.

UH, I CAN'T SEE WHERE SIX IS.

I THINK IT'S RIGHT HERE.

THESE ARE PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT WE ADDED.

UH, SEVEN IS VOLLEYBALL AND HORSESHOE.

IT'S DOWN IN THAT SAME REGION.

MY EYES ARE, I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE CATARACT SURGERY LAST WEEK.

MAYBE I COULD READ THIS THING.

IT GOT PUT OFF.

SO, UH, MY VISION GETS WORSE.

CROSS TIMBERS CAMP IS, UH, NUMBER EIGHT.

IT'S BUILDING OVER HERE.

THAT'S, AS YOU COME INTO THE PARK, YOU CAN GET A MAP, YOU CAN GET INFORMATION ABOUT THE PARK.

YOU CAN GET VISITOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE CITY OF EDMOND.

UH, AND YOU COULD GET A SNOW CONE OR A COKE OR HOTDOG, SOMETHING QUICK AND EASY.

BUT IT'S NOT A SIT DOWN, IT'S NOT A RESTAURANT, BUT YOU CAN GET SOMETHING QUICK TO SNACK ON.

AND THEN THE TALL GRASS STAGE IS DOWN HERE.

UH, THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A PHOTOGRAPH THAT, THAT'S A STAGE AREA WHERE YOU COULD DO, LIKE, UH, HAYFORD DOES THEIR CONCERT IN THE PARK OCCASIONALLY IN SUMMER.

AND THEN YOU COULD DO, YOU KNOW, SMALL THEATER.

SEXTER AND PARK COULD COME HERE AND DO THEIRS, OR USED TO HAVE AN EDMOND COMMUNITY THEATER.

THEY COULD DO THAT IF THEY START UP AGAIN.

SO, GO AHEAD.

UH, WELL, BEFORE I GO AHEAD, IN HERE IS A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT CHILDREN'S VENUES, UH, SMALL AND YOUNGER CHILDREN'S AGE.

UH, IT'LL HAVE UNIQUE STRUCTURES LIKE THE GATHERING PLACE HAS UNIQUE STRUCTURES.

UH, SOMEWHERE IN HERE IS A DOG PARK.

THERE'S A LARGE AND A DOG, LARGE AND SMALL DOG PARK CONNECTED TOGETHER.

AND DOWN HERE IS AN ADULT ADVENTURE COURSE.

IT'S MORE FOR EXERCISE AND CLIMBING AND ROPES AND THAT KIND OF THING.

UH, AND WE'RE BUILDING THESE LAKES RIGHT HERE, UH, THESE PONDS LAKES.

THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.

YOU'LL SEE A SEPARATE APPLICATION.

IT'S ABOUT FIVE ACRES.

IT'S GONNA HOUSE RESTAURANT SITES AND THE REVENUES FROM THOSE SITES, EITHER THE LAND LEASE OR THE SALE WILL BE, UH, SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED TO GO TO OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COST OF THIS PARK.

SO THAT SHOULD GIVE US AN ONCO.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH TO FUND ALL THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE, BUT IT GIVES US SOME MONEY AND ANY REVENUES WE GOT FROM THERE.

UH, WE'D, UH, ALSO GO TO PRIVATE PARKS.

THERE IS A CARETAKER'S COTTAGE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, SOMEBODY ON SITE, UH, AT NIGHT ESPECIALLY.

AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE CAMERAS THROUGHOUT THIS PARK THAT'LL FEED INTO THAT RESIDENCE.

UH, BUT THERE WILL BE SOMEONE THERE, UH, TO KEEP TRESPASSERS OUT.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT FENCED.

BUT YOU KNOW HOW IT IS IF SOMEONE WANTS IN.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, CHRIS.

ALL RIGHT.

I GUESS THAT, SORRY.

I CAN DO THAT.

NOW.

THIS IS JUST SOME IDEA OF CONCEPTS OF PLAYGROUND.

UH, I'LL GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY.

JUST, UH, SOME NOVEL THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE AREA IS THE ARCHITECTURE.

THAT'S THE BURDEN.

S OOPS, THAT RIGHT THERE IS 37 FEET.

THAT'S ABOUT 52 OR 54.

UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE, UH, FROM HUNT WICK, BUT I DO KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A CHERRY PICKER TYPE DEAL GO UP TO RIGHT HERE.

AND YOU CAN'T SEE, UH, IN THE HUNT WICK.

SO WE KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.

THIS IS THE, UH, OLD BARN PART THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, THE FRONT THIRD'S GONNA BE TORN OFF.

IT'LL BE AN OUTDOOR PAVILION, AN OUTDOOR SEATING, FIRE PITS.

THIS IS THE CROSS TIMBERS BUILDING AS YOU COME INTO THE PARK, UH, THE INFORMATION.

AND THIS IS THE GLASS HOUSE.

THIS IS THE STAGE, THIS IS THE GRASS AREA IN FRONT OF THE STAGE, SO THAT THIS IS KIND OF A MULTIPURPOSE GRASS AREA.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT, ACTUALLY, WE'VE GOT 43 PIECES OF ART ALREADY PURCHASED IN, IN OUR POSSESSION TO GO INTO THE PARK.

I'M GONNA JUST SHOW YOU THOSE BRIEFLY.

THAT'S THE PIECE.

THE CITY, UH, VAC, UH, THE CITY GRANTED US, UH, UH, OR GRANTED, $180,000, BASICALLY 30,000 PER HORSE.

AND IT WAS MATCHED BY $470,000.

UH, SO THIS PIECE BY PAUL MOORE IS A, UH, FOUR OR $650,000 SCULPTURE THAT'LL GO RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF COAL TRAIN AND SECOND STREET.

UH, AND IT'LL BE THE, YOU'LL SEE IT FROM ALL DIRECTIONS.

THIS IS A PIECE THAT OUR, UH, BELOVED VAC CHAIRMAN AND HER HUSBAND,

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LOUISE CANNON, UH, PURCHASED FROM AN ARTIST WHO DOES THE BURNING MAN EXHIBIT OUT IN NEVADA, WHICH IS A KIND OF A INTERESTING DEAL.

THIS SAYS DREAM.

OURS WILL SAY OUR O U R PARK.

AND IT WILL BE IN EITHER STAINLESS OR ALUMINUM.

SO IT'LL BE SHINY AND IT'LL BE INTERNALLY LIT.

UH, AND, UH, THAT EACH LETTER IS SIX FEET TALL AND FIVE FEET WIDE.

SO THIS THING WILL BE 30 FEET ACROSS INDIVIDUALLY.

THAT'S JUST A CUTE PIECE.

KIDS LOVE IT.

I LOVE IT.

BUT I'M STILL A KID.

SO, ANOTHER JANE D DECKERS, ONE OF THE PREMIER SCULPTURES IN THE COUNTRY.

SIRI HOLLANDS, SANTA FE ARTISTS.

PAUL REIMERS, A VERY WELL KNOWN, UH, SCULPTOR.

THAT PIECE IS EIGHT FEET TALL, AND IT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT KIDS WILL LOVE.

THAT'S A PIECE THAT STANLEY PROCTOR OUT OF FLORIDA DID.

IT'S HUGE.

IT IS HUGE.

UH, THAT PIECE, 20 YEARS AGO WAS $170,000.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS TODAY.

WE BOUGHT IT AT A AUCTION FOR ABOUT 80, I THINK.

UH, TO BUY THAT NEW TODAY, BE OVER $300,000.

THAT'S A PIECE BY GLEN, A GOODACRE, THE MOST FAMOUS FIGURATIVE SCULPTOR DIED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.

BURL.

GOODNIGHT.

ANOTHER FAMOUS, THIS IS, UH, BY JOHN COLEMAN.

HE IS THE PREMIER WESTERN SCULPTOR ARTIST IN THE COUNTRY.

PRETA WEST PAINTER.

THAT'S DAVE MCGARRY.

I LOVE THIS PIECE.

UH, DAVE DID THE BIG PIECE OUT IN FRONT OF THE UNIVERSITY, TOUCHED THE CLOUDS.

AND, UH, THIS IS BY DECEASED SCULPTOR.

HE'S IN MANY, MANY MUSEUMS. UH, IT'S ANOTHER VERY VALUABLE PIECE.

DAN OSTER MILLER.

THESE DEERS, I THINK, I HOPE WE CAN FIND A WAY TO HAVE THEM KIND OF COMING OUT OF ONE OF THE PONDS OR ONE OF THE DRAINAGE AREAS.

UH, BUT DAN'S ANOTHER PRETA WEST SCULPTOR.

THIS IS A FRIEND OF MINE FROM COLORADO NAMED ADAM SCHULTZ.

SAW THAT YEAR AGO AT SCULPTOR SHOW.

AND PEOPLE WERE SITTING NEXT TO IT EVERY TIME I WENT BY KISSING ON IT.

THIS IS A PIECE, UH, BY TENNESSEE SCULPTOR.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY PARTNERED ON, UH, WITH THE BACK BY JOE AND ELIZABETH WEINER.

I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT ELIZABETH WAS CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR.

THESE ARE SOME JACK RABBITS FROM AN ARTIST IN SANGER, TEXAS.

GOT SEVEN OF THOSE.

THEY'LL BE SITUATED, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THESE WOLVES ARE BY WALTER MATIAS, ANOTHER WELL KNOWN, UH, WILDLIFE ARTIST, PRETA WEST PAINTER.

THESE CAME OUTTA HIS PERSONAL COLLECTION.

UH, HAL WANTED SOME WOLVES.

WE CALLED HIM AND HE SAID, ALL I'VE GOT IS WHAT'S IN MY PRIVATE COLLECTION.

SAID, WHAT DO YOU WANT 'EM FOR HIM? HE SAID, WE WANNA PUT 'EM IN A PUBLIC SCULPTURE PARK WE'RE DOING.

AND HE SAID, I'LL SELL 'EM TO YOU FOR THAT IN THAT REASON ONLY.

UH, AND HE MADE US A HECK OF A DEAL ON IT.

THIS IS MY STAG HOUND BODE.

THIS WILL GO IN THE GLASSHOUSE, I THINK, BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT PHOTO OP DOG.

IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD PICTURE OF IT, BUT, UH, UH, IT'S A DOG.

IT'S ALL BRONZED DOG ON A, ON A CHASE.

AND, UH, I'M GONNA LET, UH, MARK AND CALEB ADDRESS THE, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, VARIANCES AND OUR RATIONALE FOR WANTING THAT.

I DO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE CONSTRUCTION COST FOR WHAT YOU'VE SEEN UP THERE TONIGHT STARTED OUT AT 52 MILLION.

OUR LATEST BID WITH OUR CONTRACTOR IS 61 MILLION.

I'M SURE IT'LL BE MORE THAN THAT WHEN WE GET GOING.

AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S GONNA BE SOON.

THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE'VE PUT ON HOLD.

WE DID HAVE A BRIDGE ON THE WEST SIDE OVER THE CREEK TO VISTA LANE, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, WHICH CONNECTS THE ROAD ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARK WITH CONNECTIONS ON THE ENTRY AT COAL TRAIN AND TO, UH, VISTA LANE.

OUR DESIRE IS TO BUILD THAT, BUT THAT, THAT IS CURRENTLY NOT.

WE WANNA BUILD THIS ALL AT ONE TIME.

AND THAT'S NOT IN THE PLANS RIGHT NOW.

IF WE RAISE AN ADDITIONAL COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS, WE'LL DO THAT, UH, AS PART OF PHASE ONE.

OTHERWISE, THAT'S TO BE DONE AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THAT IS THE PLAN, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST THING WE CAN DO.

I THINK.

SO, UH, WITH THAT MARK, YOU GONNA GO NEXT.

OR YOUR PMP HOUR TRAFFIC.

GOOD EVENING, MARK.

IT'S OUT WITH JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES, UH, WITH ME.

TONIGHT'S CALEB MORGAN.

HE'S A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, WITH OUR FIRM.

I'M GONNA KEEP IT SHORT.

CALEB'S GONNA WALK THROUGH ALL OF THE VARIANCES, UH, INDIVIDUALLY.

BUT I JUST WANNA SPEAK TO, UH, OUR PATH HERE.

WE SUBMITTED THIS APPLICATION BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2022.

SO, UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT IS NOT WITHOUT THOUGHT AND A LOT OF PROCESS TO GET TO THIS POINT.

AND WE ARE COMING TO YOU TONIGHT WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM

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THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND SO AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, WE HAD SOME RESIDENTS SHOW UP AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THE VARIANCES THAT WERE BEING REQUESTED.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WAS A COMMITMENT TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, BEFORE TONIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING.

UH, THE DESIGN TEAM DID THAT.

I BELIEVE WE LEFT THAT MEETING WITH AN UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

I BELIEVE THERE ARE, UH, QUITE A FEW HERE TODAY.

I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT REQUESTS NINE VARIANCES, THAT'S NOT TYPICAL, RIGHT? WE'RE, OUR OFFICE IS BEFORE YOU, UH, MONTHLY.

AND WE DO OUR BEST TO TRY AND ALLEVIATE THE NEED FOR ANY VARIANCES.

BUT I THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAW WAS THAT THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL PROJECT.

UH, WE'RE, IT'S A PROJECT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT.

UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE VARIANCES, IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT EIGHT OF THEM OF THE NINE HAVE TO DO AT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A SCULPTURE PARK, AN ATYPICAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

THE SITE RIGHT NOW IS ZONED FOR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK IF YOU WERE TO SEE THAT PROJECT COME THROUGH, YOU WOULD NOT SEE THESE TYPES OF VARIANCE REQUESTS CUZ THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT WOULD BE BUILT WITH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT AND THE TYPE OF PEAK TRAFFIC VOLUMES THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH A PROJECT LIKE THAT.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CALEB.

HE'S GONNA WALK THROUGH, UH, I'M GONNA MAKE ONE IMPORTANT NOTE.

OUR OFFICER HAS VERY HARD TO ELIMINATE THE NEED TO REQUEST VARIANCES.

PART OF THAT ISN'T JUST BECAUSE IT'S CITY CODE, BUT AS A DESIGN TEAM, IT IS ON US, UH, TO DESIGN IT AND TO MAKE SURE IT'S APPROPRIATE.

SO WE BELIEVE BASED ON OUR REVIEW, UH, NONE OF THESE VARIANCES ARE BEING REQUESTED WITHOUT SOUND RATIONAL ENGINEERING THOUGHT AND EXPERTISE THAT'S PUT BEHIND IT.

CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS OUR FIRM THAT IS STAMPING AND SIGNING THESE PLANS.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA HAVE CALEB WALK THROUGH THESE NINE, BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

CALEB MORGAN JOHNSON ASSOCIATES, UH, THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS ITEM THIS EVENING.

UM, AS MARK MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIANCES HERE AND WE DIDN'T COME TO, UH, ARRIVE AT ASKING FOR THESE VARIANCES, UH, WITHOUT A LOT OF THOUGHT.

UH, AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH 'EM QUICKLY AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN STOP ME OR WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT AT THE END.

UH, THE FIRST VARIANCE, THE SEWER AND SEPTIC SYSTEM.

SO, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE'S A VARIANCE REQUESTING SEPTIC SYSTEM INSTALLATION FOR SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ON, ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT UH, THE, MAINLY THE BATHROOMS ARE SMALLER ONES.

UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MANY BATHROOMS ON THE PUBLIC, UH, SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AS POSSIBLE.

SO WE'RE REEVALUATING CURRENTLY A COUPLE OF THESE ITEMS. BUT, UH, WE ARE WANTING TO GET, UH, VARIANCES TO ALLOW FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS FOR A COUPLE OF THEM.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE SEWER LINE IS ACTUALLY CROSSES THE STREET.

SO AT ONE POINT IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET ON THE WEST END.

AND THEN I WONDER IF I CAN GO BACK HERE WITH THIS OR MAYBE FORD, UH, ON THE WEST END, IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CREEK AND THEN IT CROSSES SOMEWHERE OVER HERE, AND THEN IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CREEK.

SO TO CROSS THAT CREEK, UH, COST QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE SEWER LINE IS CLOSE TO THE FLOW LINE OF THE CREEK.

IF WE CROSS WITH ANY SERVICES, THEN WE'RE NOW CROSSING CLOSE TO THE FLOW LINE THAT CAUSED A LOT OF PROBLEM.

UH, SO YOU MAY HAVE TO PUT IT IN A LIFT STATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THAT'S VERY COSTLY AND NOT ONLY COSTLY, BUT ALSO, UH, THAT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.

SO SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR SOME OF THESE SMALLER USES, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THESE SMALLER BATHROOMS, ACTUALLY IS LESS MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAN A LIFT STATION OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.

UH, AS I SAID, WE ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO THE, TO THE SEARCH SYSTEM AS POSSIBLE.

UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THAT ITEM.

AL ALSO, I'D LIKE TO SAY ON THAT, UH, HOW HAS GONE TO OD Q FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM? HE'S ALREADY GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM OD Q, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE STATE REGULATORY AGENCY.

SO THEY HAVE APPROVED THE ONES THAT HE'S ASKED FOR, UH, FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

UH, WE AGREE WITH STAFF AND LIKE MARK MENTIONED, WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH, THE HUNT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND WE AGREE WITH ALL THOSE AND, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THEM FIXED AS WELL.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE, A LOT OF THAT TO FIX, A LOT OF THAT WOULD BE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, THE MAJORITY OF IT I THINK HAS TO DO WITH THE COLD TRAIN AND THE WIDENING OF COAL TRAIN.

AND WHAT'S TYPICALLY, UH, REQUIRED BY A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE WOULD BE JUST A WIDEN ON ONE SIDE OF COAL TRAIN.

UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO SEVERAL OF THESE OTHERS, UH, VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTED.

BUT FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY SPECIFICALLY, WE UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH STAFF THAT, UH, A LEFT HAND, UH, LEFT TURN LANE NORTHBOUND AND A RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IDEAL.

AND THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES AND KEEP FROM COMPOUNDING ISSUES THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY.

UH, THE TRAFFIC FOR THIS SITE WILL NOT DEVELOP A LOT OF TRAFFIC DURING THE PEAK HOURS.

THAT'S NOT HOW PARKS TYPICALLY WORK.

SO THIS IS THE BEST KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

IF YOU HAVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS IN AN AREA, THIS IS WHAT THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT YOU WANNA SEE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO, UH, MESS WITH YOUR AMP HOUR TRAFFIC

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THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AT THAT TIME.

YOU WILL SEE EVENT TRAFFIC, UH, INTO THE ENTRANCE AND OUTTA THE ENTRANCE, MAINLY LEAVING THE ENTRANCE.

AND IT'LL BE LIKE ANY EVENT IN, IN MOST AREAS OR THE CHURCH JUST TO THE NORTH HERE, YOU MAY NEED A, A COP AT THE, AT THAT LOCATION RELEASING TRAFFIC AT THAT TIME.

UH, SO WE AGREE WITH STAFF ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT WHAT MAY BE NEEDED.

ALTHOUGH, UH, WHAT WE'RE WANTING A VARIANCE FOR IS TO DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA DO.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WE DON'T WANT HAVE SETTLED TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT.

SO I'LL GO ONTO THE NEXT ONE.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER.

UH, RIGHT AWAY REQUIREMENTS IS, I'M SORRY, NUMBER THREE IS SOUTH DRIVE SEPARATION ON A SOUTH DRIVE.

THAT'S AT THIS LOCATION HERE.

THAT'S A TURNAROUND FOR THE STAGE.

AND THE VARIANCE IS FOR THE PROXIMITY TO SECOND STREET DOWN HERE.

SO HOW CLOSE THAT IS.

AND THAT STAGE WILL ONLY BE ACCESSED BY, UH, PERSONNEL OF THE PARK.

AND WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT, YOU MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ACT COME IN THERE AND USE THAT DRIVE WITH A, WITH A SEMI TRUCK DROPPING OFF EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO THAT IS NOT GONNA BE USED BY THE PUBLIC.

IT WON'T HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS.

IT'LL BE GATED OFF, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED, UH, A RAISED MEDIAN.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT WOULD RESTRICT ACCESS INTO THAT, UM, INTO THAT STAGE AREA.

SO WE, WE UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN, BUT WE REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR THAT IN, IN SPITE OF THAT, THAT REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, THE MEDIAN RAISED MEDIUM.

UH, NUMBER FOUR IS ELIMINATE RIGHT AWAY REQUIREMENTS.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'LL GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE.

SO WE AGREE TO, UH, UP IN, IN CONCEPT TO STAFF REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THE ISSUE IS DOWN TO COLTRANE AND SECOND, WHICH IS THE LESS SIDE OF THIS, THIS SLIDE, WE AGREE TO THE 70 FEET, WHICH IS SHOWN IN RED, UH, 70 FEET ON SECOND STREET AND 70 FEET ON COLTRANE.

AND THEN WE'RE REQUESTING A 25 FOOT SITE DISTANCE TRIANGLE.

THAT'S TYPICAL.

AND SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT 35 FTS.

SO WE DIDN'T KNOW, UH, WHERE THAT CAME FROM, IF THAT'S A NEW REQUIREMENT.

BUT 25 IS TYPICAL AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT AT 25.

AND THAT ALLOWS THAT STATUTE THAT, UH, UH, RANDALL SHOWED OF THE HORSES TO COME AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THAT CORNER.

SO WE AGREE IN PRINCIPLE WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF FOR THE 70 FOOT, UM, GOING NORTH, WE WOULD LIKE TO STICK TO THE 50 FOOT, WHICH IS THIS DARK LINE HERE.

SO THIS IS THE VERY NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT, AND THIS IS THE HUNT WIDTH PROPERTY.

SO WE'D BE MATCHING 50 FEET AT, UH, THE HUNT WIDTH PROPERTY.

SO GOING 70 WOULD PUSH THE FENCE BACK, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT AT 50 SO THAT OUR FENCE LINES UP WITH THE HUNT WORK PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.

UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, THIS IMAGE HERE, THE, THE ONE AT SECOND, THE BLUE LINE IS A 50 FOOT LINE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S FIVE LANES OF TRAFFIC WITHIN THAT 50 FOOT SPACE WITH THE SIDEWALK ON EACH SIDE AND ROOM FOR A HEAD WALL OF A, A BOX THERE.

SO IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE'S EVER ANYTHING NEEDED TO THE NORTH AS FAR AS GOING INTO TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT AS WIDE INTO FIVE LANE, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM WITHIN NET 50 FOOT.

SO THAT'S A HUNDRED FOOT TOTAL, IT'S 50 FOOT EACH SIDE.

SO WHAT THE VARIANCE WE'RE REQUESTING WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

AND ADDED TO THAT, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE A PUBLIC PARK AND IF, IF THE CITY OF EDMOND EVER NEEDED AN EASEMENT, ADDITIONAL EASEMENT FOR ANY REASON, THEY COULD GO AND GET IT WITHOUT A PROBLEM.

UM, SO THAT'S A VARIANCE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, THE SITE TRIANGLE IS TIED TO THAT.

WE, WE ARE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE 25 FOOT SITE TRIANGLE, LIKE I SAID, BUT WE'D LIKE TO RESTRICT IT 25 FEET INSTEAD OF 35 FEET JUST TO GET THAT STATUE AS CLOSE TO THE, UH, INTERSECTION AS POSSIBLE.

UM, THE WIDENING OF COLD TRAIN, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WIDENING A SECOND, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF CLEAR, UH, IDEA OF WHAT WOULD BE WIDENED THERE.

AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THE WIDENING OF COAL TRAIN WOULD WIDEN IT TO ONE LANE ON THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE PROJECT.

TYPICALLY WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM THAT ITEM.

UM, WIDENING IN THIS AREA COULD BE, SHOULD BE DONE PROBABLY ALL AT ONCE.

SO WIDENING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE LANE, UH, OF THE ROADWAY.

AND THAT COULD CONNECT GOING NORTH, UH, WHICH WOULD TIE IN, UH, CLOSE TO THE CHURCH OF THE NORTH.

AND WE THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE AS ONE SCOPE AND ONE PROJECT, AND WE'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THAT FOR, FOR THAT IN IMPROVEMENTS TO BE DONE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, THE 63 FOOT DRIVE, SO THE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK HERE, WE HAVE A 63 FOOT DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY.

UM, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO WIDEN A LANE GOING INTO THE, INTO THE PARK.

SO IT WAS 18 FEET, SO WE'VE WIDENED IT TO 20 FEET AT THEIR REQUEST.

SO WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM.

THAT CHANGED THAT REQUIREMENT TO FROM 63 FEET TO 64 FEET.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY REQUESTING A 64 FOOT DRIVE WIDTH.

UM, BUT THAT'S TO ALLOW FOR A CENTER MEDIAN WITH, UH, A WATER FEATURE

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AND, UM, A LOT OF A NICE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THAT ONE.

UH, THE VARIANCE TO THE BIRD'S NEST, THE, WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST IT TO BE 37 FEET, NOT 35.

UM, IT, IT WAS 35 IN THE STAFF REPORT.

WE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.

THEY MENTIONED JUST 37 INSTEAD OF 35, UH, DETENTION REQUIRING FOR THE PROJECT.

WE'RE REQUESTING APPEARANCE FOR THAT.

ALTHOUGH, UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH CITY OF EDMONTON'S STAFF TO DEVELOP AND IMPROVE THE DETENTION POND THAT, UH, RANDY MENTIONED UP IN THIS AREA.

AND THAT WOULD BE TAKEN UNDER OWNERSHIP BY THE PARK AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE.

SO WE'D LIKE TO, UH, REQUEST FOR, UH, VARIANCE TO, TO WAIVE REQUIREMENT FOR DETENTION, ALTHOUGH IT WILL BE PROVIDED IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE'VE PROVIDED DETENTION CALCULATIONS TO STAFF PREVIOUSLY THAT SHOW THAT THIS PARK DOES NOT CAUSED, UH, A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE, TO THE ADJACENT CREEK.

IT WAS AN KIND OF AN AVERAGE PASTURE WITH HORSES ON IT AND NOW IT'S CHANGED TO LOTS OF PLANTINGS.

LOTS OF UNDULATIONS THAT SLOWS DOWN ALL THE WATER.

SO THIS WON'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AT ALL AS FAR AS DRAINAGE GOES, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH CITY STAFF TO UPDATE THAT DETENTION POND.

AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE UNDER THE PARK FOR MAINTENANCE.

UH, THAT'S ALL THE VARIANCE ITEMS AND I MEAN, THAT'S IT.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

OKAY, SO COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW? I DO.

, WELL, I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

SO IT LOOKED LIKE OUT OF THE NINE VARIANCES, TWO OF 'EM NOR ON, ON A NORMAL DAY OR NORMAL APPLICATION, WOULD'VE GONE TO SWAB THE VARIANCE FOR THE SEPTICS BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH A, A FLOODPLAIN THERE.

AND THEN THIS ONE HERE, FOR THE LAST ONE, THE DETENTION ROSE WOULD'VE NORMALLY GONE THROUGH SWAB.

SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE HERE, WHICH TAKES SWAB OUT OF THAT OCCASION, BUT WORKING WITH STAFF IS GONNA BRING THE SWAB ENGINEERS FROM THE CITY INTO THAT EQUATION THERE.

AND AS FAR AS THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS, I, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT ALL THE ONES THAT WE HAVE DESIGNED SO FAR AND LIKE I MENTIONED ARE CHANGING, HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.

SO THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO SWAB.

IT WOULDN'T BE A, A DRAINAGE ISSUE.

THIS ITEM FROM BEING A VARIANCE BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, UH, MR. BATTY, I BELIEVE INDICATED THAT WOULD MAKE IT UNNECESSARY TO HAVE A VARIANCE.

BUT THE DETENTION, UH, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, WE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION I TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS THIS WOULDN'T HAVE A, A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE CREEK, UH, TO STAFF FOR THEIR REVIEW.

AND IT DIDN'T GET IN, IT DIDN'T GET REVIEWED IN TIME FOR SWAB, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH STAFF ON THAT ITEM.

SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT.

UM, AND WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH STAFF, SO THE INTENT IS WE WILL PROVIDE DETENTION, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T WANT TO SLOW DOWN THE PROJECT WAITING FOR THAT WHOLE PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.

AND AS I MENTIONED, WE PROVIDED CALCULATIONS THAT SHOW THIS DOESN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE DRAINAGE.

SO ALMOST WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WE NEEDED FOR THIS APPLICATION IS WE ALMOST NEEDED A SCORECARD UP HERE ABOUT THE, WHAT THE NINE VARIANCES ARE ON ONE SIDE, WHAT CITY STAFF HAS COULD AGREE.

WAIT A MINUTE, THERE'S A FEW THAT THEY DON'T RECOMMEND AT ALL, THEN ASSUME THAT WITH SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE GUIDANCE, SOME TYPE OF DOCUMENT THAT GIVES US, UH, A BEGINNING AND THE END, THEY WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE THAT, WE COULD, WE COULD POSSIBLY LIVE WITH THAT.

AND THEN I GUESS THE THIRD COLUMN WOULD BE WHAT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T, DOESN'T LIVE, DOESN'T WANT TO LIVE WITH.

UM, CUZ RIGHT NOW I'M TRYING TO KEEP SCORE ON MY SHEET UP HERE.

I'M RUNNING OUTTA SPACE.

WELL, I'M, I'M NO ENGINEER MAYOR, BUT ON THE, ON THE DETENTION, UH, MR. FRENCH AND I MET WITH MR. LAWRENCE, MR. BEATTY ENGINEERS AND, AND, UH, JIM SMITH, WHO'S THE LIAISON FOR US ON THIS PROJECT A WEEK OR SO AGO.

AND WE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THERE'S THE DETENTION POND THAT SERVICES WICK NEEDS TO BE REDONE.

AND STEVE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I MISSTATE ANY OF THIS, UH, BUT WE, WE VISITED ABOUT THE CITY REDOING THAT DETENTION, DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE HUNT WICK AREA THAT COMES INTO THAT DETENTION, UH, SWAB.

MONEY WOULD BE SPENT ON THAT AND WE LEAVING THE PARK WOULD TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY IN PERPETUITY.

YOU HAVE THAT OBLIGATION AS A CITY NOW TO DO THAT HUNT.

WICK HOA, I THINK IT'S NUMBER TWO, PROBABLY OWNS THAT LAND THAT THE POND SITS ON.

I THINK SOMEONE WILL BE HERE AND TODD OR SOMEONE AND THEY, I THINK WOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT THAT, UH, THE CITY DOING IT.

AND IF THAT COMES ABOUT, WHICH I THINK IT WILL, UH, THAT REMOVES

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SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO, UH, WOULDN'T BE ANY DISCUSSION THEN FOR SWAB TO HAVE OUR ENGINEERS HAVE, AS CALEB SAID, HAVE ALREADY CALCULATED THAT WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA COME OFF THIS PROPERTY IS MINUSCULE INCREASE COMPARED TO HISTORICAL RUNOFF BECAUSE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING OUT THERE.

AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO, TO TELL YOU FROM THE APPLICANTS, NOT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, BUT FROM THE APPLICANT STANDPOINT, UH, I GUESS WHAT VARIANCES WE, WE REALLY WANT, UH, IF, IF I NEED TO DO THAT, I MEAN, WHAT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IS FOR YOU TO DO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID.

THEY HEARD THIS, THEY, THEY ACCEPTED OUR POSITION AND THEY, INSTEAD OF, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING EACH VARIANCE VOTED ON SEPARATELY, THE MOTION WAS MADE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN WITH ALL THE VARIANCES THAT GOT A SECOND AND IT PASSED.

UH, SO IT WAS APPROVED WITH ALL THE VARIANCES THAT WE REQUESTED.

THERE IS SOME COUGH SHIFTING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UH, WE'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS NEEDED.

UH, BUT THERE'S UH, AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LANES AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, THAT DEFINITELY, AND IT'S IN THE MEMO AND THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT SHIFTS THE BURDEN TO THE CITY AND WE'VE NEVER DENIED THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE, YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT TO US, IT'S AN INCENTIVE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF INCENTIVES WE'D LIKE.

IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US AN INCENTIVE, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE A, FOR YOU TO BE A PARTNER.

ALTHOUGH MONETARILY IT'S REALLY A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF THE COST OF THE PROJECT.

UH, I UNDERSTAND I SET THROUGH THREE HOURS OF YOUR BUDGET HEARING TODAY SO I KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT IF THE CITY PUTS A PRIORITY ON SOMETHING, UH, IT GETS DONE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M HAPPY TO, SIR, I JUST WANT, I DIDN'T WANT TO INSERT MY ENGINEERS ON THEIR VARIANCE CUZ THEY'RE THE ONE, THEY TALK ABOUT IT SOMETIMES THERE'S HEARTFELT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE SAID.

SO , I UNDERST UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT, UH, ONE OF OUR JOBS THAT WE HAVE AT THE COUNCIL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT AS MUCH CLARITY ON ANY APPLICATION THAT COMES IN FOR US.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW FROM MY TIME SITTING UP HERE IS THAT I LOOK AT, IT'S LIKE AN EQUATION.

YOU ALL MR. FRENCH AND COMPANY HAS A IS CREATING THIS OVER HERE.

YOU WANT A RESPONSIBILITY PLUS THIS RESPONSIBILITY YOU WANT THE CITY TO HAVE OVER HERE EQUALS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE HE OWNED BY AN LLC.

NO, NO, NO.

AND I'M SORRY IF I, THE OWNERSHIP OF THIS PARK WILL BE OWNED BY THE PARK CONSERVANCY TRUST, WHICH IS A PUBLIC TRUST IDENTICAL TO E P W A E E D A AND THE HISTORICAL TRUST WOULD NOT OKAY.

WOULD BE OWNED BY THE TRUST.

YES, CORRECT.

IT'S OWNED BY THE TAXPAYERS OF EVIDENCE.

SO I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT THERE'S CLARITY THERE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHO HAS WHAT RESPONSIBILITY IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT A A A, A VARIANCE IN WHICH POSSIBLY IS TRANSFERRING, UH, FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, I WANT TO BE CLEAR SO THAT WHEN I'M QUESTIONED BY THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY, THEY, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND THEN, THEN THE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT'S, THAT'S I I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON.

WELL, THE SIDE PLAN IS SEPARATE FROM THE MOU THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING STAFF ABOUT AND WE'RE HAVING VERY GOOD DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT.

I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY NOT PART OF THE SITE PLAN.

THERE ARE TWO COSTS THAT I SEE THAT GET TO BE CITY COST IF YOU APPROVE OUR ALL THE VARIANCES.

ONE IS THE IMPROVEMENTS ON COAL TRAIN.

UH, WE WANT THE CITY TO DO THAT AS PART OF AN OVERALL RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT INTERSECTION AND PROBABLY FOUR LANE OF COAL TRAIN.

THAT IS A DEFINITE COST SHIFT.

WE WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY IF WE DO, IF WE DO JUST THE LANES, IT'S GONNA GET TORN OUT WHEN YOU DO COAL TRAIN.

SO WE'VE JUST WASTED WHATEVER THAT COSTS WHEN WE COULD PUT THAT IN THE VENUES IN THE PARK.

BUT THAT DEFINITELY IS A COST THAT IS GOING TO BE SHIFTED TO THE CITY WHENEVER YOU DECIDE TO SPEND THAT MONEY.

IT'S NOT A COST UNTIL YOU SPEND IT, BUT YOU ARE, YOU WOULD BE EXPECTED AT SOME POINT TO DO IT TO,

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TO DO COLTRAN.

THE OTHER ONE IS THE POND.

YOU WOULD BEAR THE COST OF REDOING THE POND, RECONSTRUCTING THE POND.

AND WE WILL BEAR THE COST OF MAINTAINING IT FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS.

AND ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT GENERALLY MAINTENANCE COSTS, FAR EXCEED CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF PROJECTS.

AND WE'RE CITY HAS THAT LIABILITY NOW IN PERPETUITY.

WE'RE WILLING IF YOU'LL FIX THE POND, UH, THE WAY THAT MR. BEATTY AND, AND MR. RNS AND I TALKED ABOUT, UH, AND STEVE CAN TELL YOU WHATEVER HE WANTS TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT, UH, THAT WE'LL TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE AND I'M, I'LL, I'LL STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD TONIGHT.

WE WILL MAINTAIN THE POND IF YOU RECONSTRUCT IT THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED, WHICH I'LL STATE AGAIN THAT, THAT ACCORDING TO MR. BEATTY GETS RID OF THIS AS A VARIANCE WE COMPLY.

SO, SORRY, I GOT VERBOS, BUT NO, IT'S, I WANT YOU TO KIND OF KNOW WHAT OUR POSITION IS AND I, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH CITY STAFF AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY HEARTBURN WITH THE, THE SEPTICS QUITE FRANKLY.

THAT'S, TO ME THAT'S A NOTHING AS LONG AS WE STAY OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND WE ARE, AND THEY CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM GETTING RID OF A TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT IT'S GONNA SAY BEFORE YOU DO IT.

SO THAT'S, DON'T SEEK ANYWAY WITH PUBLIC'S HERE TO ANYBODY TO TALK.

AND I'D LIKE TO OBSERVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

COUNSEL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT APPLICANT? RIGHT NOW I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO LET'S, I JUST WANNA GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS JUST SO THAT YOU CAN VERIFY IT WITH, FOR MYSELF AND FOR THE PUBLIC.

THEY'RE SINGLE RESTROOMS. OKAY.

HOW MANY RESTROOMS ARE THERE? WELL, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK THE ENGINEERS WHAT, WHAT I DO KNOW WHILE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT IS THAT BUILDING IS SERVED, THE GLASSHOUSE IS SERVED BY SANITARY SEWER, THIS BUILDING SERVED BY SANITARY SEWER.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST NEWS, THE BIG BUILDINGS.

SO, UM, I GUESS THIS WOULD BE MY CLARIFICATIONS.

THE, THE BATHROOMS THAT ARE GONNA GO ONTO SEPTIC ARE SMALLER RESTROOMS. CORRECT? ONE, THERE'S ONE RIGHT HERE THAT WILL ONLY BE USED BY PARTICIPANTS.

NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC STAFF ONLY NOT OPEN NOTHING DOWN HERE.

OOPS.

NOTHING DOWN HERE OFF OF THIS IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, PARKING IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THE RESTROOMS NOT OPEN.

SO THE, THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS ARE ON CITY, CORRECT? LET, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE ON SEPTIC ARE SOUTH OF THE CREEK.

IS THAT ACCURATE? NO, THE, AT THIS POINT, THE, THERE'S PROBABLY ONE UP THERE TOO, RIGHT? THE CREEK CROSSES TO THE SOUTH SIDE.

, I'M SORRY, THE SEWER CROSSES TO THE SOUTH SIDE.

SO THE ONES IN THIS AREA WE WANT TO PUT ON SEPTIC AND ONE OF THOSE IS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND BE RARELY USED JUST BY, UH, PEOPLE USING THE STAGE.

, UH, THE ONES UP IN THIS AREA THOUGH WOULD BE ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM AND THOSE WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

BUT IT'S, IT'S MAINLY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THE CREEK, RIGHT? CORRECT.

TO, TO RUN A LINE ACROSS THE CREEK TO TIE INTO THE SEWER LINE THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH HERE WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE.

AND THEN IT'S ANOTHER MAINTENANCE ISSUE THAT'S EVEN WORSE THAN A, A SEPTIC SYSTEM.

SO I GUESS FOR CLARIFICATION, THE MAJORITY OF THE RESTROOMS, PUBLIC RESTROOMS ARE ON CITY SEWER, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

SO THERE'S RESTROOMS UP IN THE, UH, GLASS HOUSE.

THERE'S SOME OVER IN THIS AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER WHERE IT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE.

, THERE'S SOME IN THE, UH, THE OLD BARN THAT THAT'LL BE CONNECTED TO THE SEWERS.

INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE IS FANTASTIC.

AND THEN, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

I AGREE.

I TH I THINK EVERYBODY, THEY'VE TALKED THIS TO DEATH ABOUT THIS AND, UM, IT, IT'S A PARK, IT'S GONNA BE A GORGEOUS PARK AND IT'S GONNA HAVE EVENTS, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT PEAK HOURS TO GO IN AND OUT OF THERE.

UM, UH, THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, EVEN WHEN IT DOES, SHOULDN'T BE TOO SUBSTANTIAL UNLESS THERE'S AN EVENT.

AND AGAIN, THOSE EVENTS WOULD BE OFF HOURS.

I DROVE UP AND DOWN AT AFTER CHURCH ON SUNDAY JUST TO SEE HOW IT HANDLED IT WITH THE CHURCH AND IT WAS BUSY FOR THE FOLKS TO COME OUTTA CHURCH AND THEN IT CLEARED UP AS SOON AS THEY WERE GONE.

IT WASN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL, UH, ABOUT REDOING COAL TRAIN .

IF YOU SAT THROUGH OUR, OUR BUDGET MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEVERAL, UH, PROJECTS IN THE WORKS AND PLANNED TO GO AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME YEAH, COL TRAIN'S GONNA HAVE TO RE REDONE.

I AGREE.

UM, HOWEVER, THAT

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IT'S A GREAT INTERSECTION.

I THINK IT HANDLES TRAFFIC WELL.

UM, YEAH, I, AND AGAIN, EVERYTHING I'M SAYING IS JUST, IS, IS STRICTLY MY OPINION.

SO Y'ALL SPEAK IN ONTO WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, BUT I THINK IT, I THINK RIGHT NOW AND DOES IT HAVE TO BE REDONE? YEAH, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REDONE.

WE'VE GOT TRAFFIC COMING IN AND GOING OUT I 35 AND COMING DOWN SECOND, GOING NORTH ON COL TRAIN.

WE HAVE IT COMING IN OFF OF DANFORTH AND COMING SOUTH ON COL TRAIN.

I GET THAT.

IT DOES HAVE TO BE REDONE.

HOWEVER, THERE'S OTHERS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE BEFORE THAT.

UM, THAT SOUTH DRIVE, THAT'S JUST FOR STAFF ONLY, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, SO THAT WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

THERE'S GATES PROPOSED ACROSS THAT DRIVE, IF ANY, IF THAT WERE USED FOR THE PUBLIC AT ANY, FOR ANY REASON.

IT'S WAY TOO CLOSE TO FURTHER THE, TO THE INTERSECTION.

IF A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE, BUT IF IT'S STAFF ONLY AND THAT'S JUST FOR EVENTS, CORRECT.

UM, AND I GUESS MAINTENANCE.

MAINTENANCE, OKAY.

UM, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO BE QUICK HERE SO EVERYONE ELSE CAN TALK.

SO ON THE, UM, THE TRIANGLE RIGHT AWAY, ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SECOND AND COAL TRAIN, HOW IT'S, UM, WE'RE TALKING 70 35 35 50 AND THEY'RE WANTING 75, 70 25 50.

SO I HAVE YET TO HAVE THE PLEASURE TO MEET WITH THE ATHENS CONSULTANTS MM-HMM.

, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

UH, IF WE HAD, WE CAN SHOW THEM THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WATER LINES IN THAT AREA AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE EASEMENTS COVERING THOSE WATER LINES, UH, SO THAT STRUCTURES ARE NOT PUT ON TOP OF THEM.

UH, IT'S BAD FOR THE STRUCTURE BE WASHED OUT BY A BROKEN WATER LINE.

JUST LIKE IT'S BAD FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE WATER LINE TO HAVE A STRUCTURE ON TOP OF IT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A HAVE TO DO THING BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY LINES THERE.

WE HAVE SURVEYS OF THAT WHOLE AREA AND WE SHOW WHERE THE WATER LINES ARE.

UH, SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY WATER LINES THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY EASEMENT NOW, OTHERWISE THAT'S A FAIRLY BIG PROBLEM, MEANING IT'S ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN EASEMENT FOR.

BUT AGAIN, IF THAT, IF THERE'S PLANS FOR WATER LINES IN THE FUTURE, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE, UM, CITY PARK AND THEY CAN GO GET THOSE EASEMENTS AT ANY TIME.

SO AS FAR AS WE ARE AWARE, AND AS WE UNDERSTAND, THIS WILL COVER EVERYTHING OUT THERE, AND WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY UTILITIES.

THEY'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THEY'RE NOT COVERED BY AN EASEMENT TODAY.

SO THERE MAY BE SOMETHING PLANNED IN THE FUTURE, FUTURE.

AND LIKE I SAID, THEY CAN GO GET THAT EASEMENT AT ANY TIME.

AND ARE THERE ANY BUILDINGS PLANNED TO BE BUILT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SEASON? NO, THERE ISN'T.

UH, THE CLOSEST THING IS THE, UH, SCULPTURE WE MENTIONED AND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE HORSE CLOSE TO THAT HERE.

THE, THE PONIES.

SO, AND, AND THAT'S STILL OUTSIDE OF THE 70 FOOT, 70 FOOT AND THE 25 FOOT.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT WAS ASKED WAS A 35 FOOT VERSUS A 25 FOOT.

UH, IS IT OUTSIDE OF THAT, RIGHT? YES.

IS IT OUTSIDE OF, GO AHEAD.

IS IT OUTSIDE OF THE 35? THE SCULPTURE, UHHUH , UH, WE, IT, IT'S REALLY CLOSE RIGHT NOW AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUSH IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.

SO I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

THEY HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T REALLY NAILED DOWN EXACTLY WHERE ALL THE SCULPTURE PIECES ARE GOING, BUT OUR THOUGHT IS WE WANT TO PUSH IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.

AND THE 25 FOOT IS TYPICAL FOR, FOR SITE TRIANGLES WE'VE ALWAYS SEEN 25 FOOT BY 25 FOOT.

SO THE 35 FOOT BY 35 FOOT, I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A, A NEW REQUIREMENT OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING TO ADDRESS UTILITIES IN THE FUTURE, BUT LEMME JUST CLARIFY THAT, THAT IS FOR EXISTING UTILITIES.

WELL, IT'S FOR, IT'S NOT A SITE TRIANGLE, IT'S NOT FOR TRAFFIC, IT IS A DRAINAGE.

IT'S JUST UTILITIES, UTILITY EASEMENT.

TO COVER EXISTING UTILITIES.

AND DRAINAGE.

SO I, AND AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T HAD, WE GOT THE, THE STAFF REPORT AND SO WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THAT UNTIL, UH, LATE LAST WEEK.

BUT THAT IMPLIES, I WOULD SUPPOSE THAT THERE'S EXISTING UTILITIES OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WITHOUT AN EASEMENT.

NO, IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T IMPLY THAT AT ALL.

WELL, IT DOESN'T IMPLY THAT.

I JUST WANNA CORRECT YOU FOR THAT.

BUT, BUT THE, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH, WELL, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN GOOD IF YOU GUYS WOULD'VE MET WITH OUR STAFF.

WE COULD'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

WELL, MIGHT'VE BEEN GOOD.

WE HAVE SUGGESTING THAT.

BUT DON'T SAY WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN EASEMENT.

WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE.

APPARENTLY THERE'S SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.

AND AGAIN, ANY UTILITIES THAT ARE NOT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT WAY THAT NEED AN EASEMENT OR WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS, THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT.

CORRECT? ON ABOUT THE DETENTION SITE.

AND I THINK THE BIRD'S NEST THING, YOU CLEARED AND YOU DID SPEAK WITH BEATTY, UM, OVER IN, UM, ABOUT THE DRAINAGE,

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THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, AND AS, AND I, I DO, I SIT ON SWAB AND SO I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T VISITED WITH THEM ABOUT THIS ONE YET.

WE WENT TO SWAB AND I, I DIDN'T MENTION THIS BEFORE FOR THE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS THAT GOES THROUGH HERE, THE CREEK AREA.

AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE DETENTION ON THERE.

WE WERE STILL WORKING THAT OUT AT THAT TIME.

BUT YEAH, WE HAVE TALKED TO KEITH MM-HMM.

AND HE'S THE ONE THAT CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF USING IT AT THAT DETENTION POND.

AND SO THERE ARE SOME, UM, COST TO RENOVATING THAT AS MM-HMM.

, UH, RANDALL MENTIONED, ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IT HAS TO BE RENOVATED ANYWAYS, LIKE IT'S UNDERSIZED AND IT HAS A LOT OF BRUSH IN THERE, SO THAT COST WOULD BE THERE ANYWAYS.

THERE MIGHT BE A SMALL ADDITIONAL COST TO UPSIZE IT.

DID KEITH TELL YOU IT WAS ON THE LIST TO BE RENTED? UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS.

YOU GUYS, IT IS ON THE LIST.

IT IS, IT'S ON THE LIST TO BE.

IT WOULD JUST BE MOVED UP TO AN EARLIER DATE.

DO, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE, STEVE? FIVE TO 600,000, WHAT WAS IT? FIVE TO 600,000.

I THINK I, I'M SORRY IF I TOOK SO MUCH TIME.

NO, YOU'RE FINE.

THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAD.

ANY OTHER COUNSEL THANK QUESTIONS FROM COUNSELING.

I'M STILL REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT THE FIFTH VARIANCE.

IT SAYS VARIANCE TO ELIMINATE SITE TRIANGLE RIGHT AWAY AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SECOND AND COAL TRAIN.

BUT THEN I'M HEARING SOMEWHERE THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT A SITE TRIANGLE, IT'S ABOUT EASEMENTS AND THEN THERE'S THE 25 FEET AND THE 35 FEET.

AND I AM TOTALLY CONFUSED ON WHAT VARIANCE IS REALLY BEING ASKED FOR HERE.

AND MAYBE IT'S JUST ME.

NO, IT'S NOT JUST YOU.

UM, THIS, THIS PROJECT, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN WORKING IN FAITH, SAID HE'S BEEN WORKING IN FAITH.

UH, WE'RE JUST STILL TRYING TO NAIL DOWN ALL THE FACTS.

AND SO, UH, IN THIS CASE, THIS INTERSECTION'S BEEN IMPROVED.

WE DON'T CURRENTLY, UH, WE COULD GO WITH JUST A SITE OR A DRAINAGE AND UTILITY TRIANGLE AT THE CORNER TO HELP COVER WHAT WE NEED TO COVER EXISTING UTILITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT HAD TO BE RELOCATED FOR THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, SO THAT'S, AND WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? DOES THAT REQUIRE VARIANCE SO, YES.

UM, IT, OTHERWISE IT WOULD JUST INCLUDE A STREET UTILITY EASEMENT.

IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL, SMALL DIFFERENCE.

IT'S SMALLER, A SMALL, SMALLER, I, I, I, IT'S A MINOR DIFFERENCE IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE EASEMENT AND THE LEGAL RIGHTS OKAY.

THAT WE, THE CITY HAS, THAT WAS PART OF THE EASEMENT.

UM, AND THAT'S USUALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THESE SITE TRIANGLES IS BASICALLY TO KEEP THE CORNER CLEAR TO WHERE VI VISION CAN BE SEEN ACROSS THE CORNER.

BUT ALSO IT'S FOR UTILITIES.

AND IN THIS VERY SPECIFIC CASE, ALL WE NEED IS FOR IT TO COVER DRAINAGE ENGINE UTILITIES.

THE HORSES WON'T BLOCK VISION.

UH, THE DRAINAGE ENGINE, UTILITY EASEMENT WOULD NOT ALLOW A STRUCTURE SUCH AS THE HORSES TO BE PUT ON TOP OF IT.

SO THEY NEED TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE EASEMENT.

LENGTH OF THE PROJECT, UH, PROPERTY FOR FUTURE YES.

AND WE BELIEVE THEY WILL BE.

OH, OKAY.

BUT WE STILL WOULD NEED TO VOTE ON A VARIANCE HERE IN ORDER TO DO THAT, JUST DON'T WANT THE STATUE OF THE SCULPTURE TO BE ON TOP OF OUR EXISTING EASEMENT.

AMEN.

SO IT DOESN'T GET ALL WE WANT.

SO IT DOESN'T GET DAMAGED IF SOMETHING HAS TO BE FIXED.

IF THERE'S AN EXISTING EASEMENT THERE, WE CAN'T PUT ONE THERE ANYWAYS.

BUT TALKING WITH THEM, THE 35 BY 35, WE CAN ACCEPT THAT.

WE'LL ADJUST TO THAT.

WE'LL JUST PUSH THE STATUTE BACK A LITTLE FURTHER.

STEVE, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT'S THE CURRENT LOAD THAT'S GOING ON IN COLD TRAIN? I MEAN, I'M THINKING OF IS A, IS A, USUALLY YOU DO LIKE AN A TO AN F AS FAR AS THE CAPACITY OF COLD TRAIN TODAY AND HOW'S IT PERFORMING AND YEAH.

SO THERE'S ABOUT 11,000 CARS A DAY THAT GO ON THE COLD TRAIN SEGMENT OF THIS, UH, NORTH OF SECOND STREET.

UM, YES, IT IS IN OUR MASTER PLAN TO WIDEN AND, UM, TO BE WIDENED IN THE FUTURE.

IT WILL FOLLOW ALL OF OUR STANDARD, UH, VISION ZERO AS WELL AS, UH, ACCESS CONTROL, UM, TYPE OF THINGS TO, TO REMOVE OR TO MINIMIZE ACCIDENTS, UH, AND INTERSECTIONS.

UM, THOSE ARE PART OF THAT UNFUNDED POOL OF, OF, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

UM, YOU KNOW THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR 70 FEET ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH EDGE OF THE PROPERTY? UH, YES.

THE, THE PROPERTY NORTH OF THERE DOES ONLY HAVE 50 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT IS CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTIONS CLOSER TO, CLOSER TO AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO PUT IN LEFT TURN LANES.

RIGHT, RIGHT TURN LANES.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE 70 FEET FOR THE ENTIRE

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ROAD CONSTRUCTION.

SO BACK TO, IS IT LIKE A LEVEL C TODAY? IS IT LEVEL A B? DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS? I DON'T KNOW.

WITHIN A MEDIAN.

I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THAT SOUTH ENTRANCE TO HAVE A MEDIAN THERE.

SO NOT ALLOW LEFT-TURN AC ACCESS INTO IT.

THAT IS WHAT WE WILL LIKELY SEE IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, FOR ALL OF OUR, UH, SAFETY, UH, THAT'S FOR SAFETY AND STACKING SIMILAR TO SECOND AND BRYANT THAT WE HAD TO DO.

SO.

SO THERE'S NO NORTH TURNING, RIGHT? YEAH.

IT'S JUST TO MINIMIZE POINTS OF CONFLICT.

IS THAT JUST FOR THAT ONE SOUTH BOUNDARY ON THE CORNER, OR IS THAT ALL THE WAY UP? TURING? IT'S JUST FOR THAT SOUTHERN DRIVEWAY.

THIS WITHIN THE, JUST FOR THAT 325 FEET INTERSECTION.

THAT'S WHY THAT IS IN PLACE, IS MM-HMM.

, MINIMIZE CONFLICT POINTS CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION.

I DON'T LIKE MAKING SAUSAGE THIS WAY.

UM, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID IN THE VERY BEGINNING.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.

THAT SHOULD HAVE A, UM, A LIST UP THERE.

WHAT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA PROVIDE, WHAT THE CITY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CITY EQUALS SOMETHING THAT THE TRUST IS GOING TO RECEIVE.

UH, MY, WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS.

MY CONCERN, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO SLIP THROUGH THE C THROUGH THE CRACKS.

I DON'T WANT SOMETHING SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW SAYING, OH, THIS WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN THIS.

AND WE HAVE TO, WHEN WE POSSIBLY COULD HAVE GONE BACK TO THE KITCHEN AND, AND WORKED ON THE SAUSAGE JUST A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

BUT, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL RIGHT NOW? SO LET'S, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING.

THIS, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.

IF YOU HEAR YOUR CONCERN BEING REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT, UM, WE, WE'VE HEARD IT.

, IT, IT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT UP HERE TAKING ACCOUNT THAT'S SAYING 15 PEOPLE SAY THIS AND 15.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE SAID IT, IF YOU'VE HEARD IT SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, WE AS THE COUNCIL, WE'VE HEARD THAT.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO IS TO COME UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND UH, WE WILL ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.

SIR, I'M LEONARD SCOTT.

THIS IS AMAZING.

YOU ALL HAVE ASKED THE QUESTIONS.

EVERYBODY HERE IS GONNA ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS.

IS THAT THIS ISN'T READY WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE CAN'T SEE THIS BACK THERE.

NOBODY CAN READ TO WRITING.

AND WHAT WE NEED IS A HUGE TERRAIN MODEL.

SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST SPAGHETTI ON THE WALL TO ME, UNTIL WE HAVE A HUGE TRAIN MODEL WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I JUST WANTED, I JUST, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, BROTHER.

IT IS FABULOUS.

WHERE'S THE PARKING THOUGH? IN THIS, I DON'T WHERE SOMEBODY CAN POINT OUT, WHERE'S THE PARKING FOR ALL OF THESE AREAS? I DID.

ANYBODY SHOWS HERE GO PLEASE.

ALL THE WAY AROUND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

SO ALL THAT'S PARKING AREA PEOPLE CAN PARK IN? YES.

AND ALL OF THIS UP HERE.

I WAS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CREEK.

LIKE I SAID, WE COULDN'T SEE IT BACK THERE, BUT IT'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME YET.

UNLESS WE CAN ALL SEE IT AND AGREE WE'VE GOT PROBLEMS WITH BATHROOMS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

WELL, WE CAN'T DECIDE THAT UNTIL WE CAN SEE IT.

AND NOWADAYS WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY, THEY CAN DO A DRONE SHOT AND AS YOU DROME RIGHT IN AND SHOW US EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALL GONNA GET UP AND SAY BASICALLY THE SAME THING, WHAT THE NEXT THING IS.

HOW MUCH IS THIS COSTING, UH, TAXPAYERS RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW? HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT ON THIS PROJECT BY TAXPAYERS? CAN ANYBODY TELL ME? ZERO.

ZERO.

AFTER ALL THAT WORK, I THOUGHT THERE PROBABLY WOULD BE A LOT.

HOW MUCH IS BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE CITY GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE? NOT THE CITY TAXPAYERS GONNA BE IN THIS PROJECT.

CAN ANYBODY TELL ME THAT? SO WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT'S GONNA, HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST US.

WELL, WE KNOW WE'VE GOTTA DO COAL TRAIN.

WE KNOW WE'VE GOTTA DO SOME EXPANSION, BUT WHAT ARE THEIR PRIORITIES? WHAT ABOUT THE ROADS RIGHT NOW? HOW ARE WE GONNA DO COAL TRAIN WHEN WE'VE GOT ROADS RIGHT NOW

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WE CAN'T DRIVE THEM.

SO I'M JUST ASKING WHAT'S THE PRIORITY HERE OF THIS, THIS PROJECT, BASED ON THE, THE NEEDS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THIS CITY OF THE PRIORITIES.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED AS A FACTOR IN THIS.

SO I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO VISUALLY SEE IT.

AND THIS, THESE KINDS OF, UH, GRAPHICS DON'T WORK FOR US, NOT FOR US HERE.

CUZ WE CAN'T DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

SO I JUST SAY THAT AND I ASKED THAT, UH, THAT I'M SURE THAT RANDALL, THIS THING HAS GOT, IT'S GOT SUCH A POTENTIAL, BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE IN THE SCRIPT.

AND BY THE WAY, SORRY, LOOK HERE.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOUR EYE SET WAS BAD CAUSE YOU SHOWED THAT PICTURE, THAT BIG LADY ON THE DEAL AND YOU SAID, THIS IS MY FRIEND FROM COLORADO, BROTHER.

I WAS WORRIED ABOUT YOU .

SO FOLKS, THAT'S JUST MY POINT.

THANK YOU SIR.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR.

PLEASE COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCILMAN.

MY NAME IS TODD OBK.

I LIVE AT, UH, 1 0 4 HANOVER DRIVE, WHICH BACKS UP, UH, TO THE PARK HERE.

AND, UH, I'M A MEMBER OF THE, UH, HOA FOR THE HUNT BOOK TWO SUBDIVISION.

UM, I'VE, I HAVE FILLED THE NUMBER OF YOUR EMAIL BASKETS FULL OF THINGS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND I APPRECIATE THE RESPONSES AND, UH, APPRECIATE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU BRING TO THE, TO THE TABLE.

I I DO WANT TO REPEAT, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'VE SAID IN THOSE LETTERS BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY HERE HAS HAD A CHANCE MAYBE TO HEAR THESE.

AND, UM, ONE OF MY FAVORITE QUOTES IS FROM WINSTON CHURCHILL ABOUT HOW ABOUT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT? AND IT GOES, WE SHAPE OUR BUILDINGS THEREAFTER.

THEY SHAPE US.

I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE, UH, BUILT ENVIRONMENT ALL OF MY LIFE AS A LITTLE KID GOING AROUND WITH MY DAD.

AND THIS HERE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO IMPACT THE LIVES OF LITERALLY COUNTLESS PEOPLE THAT WILL EXIST WAY AFTER I'M GONE.

AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY THINGS WORK.

WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS TODAY THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT EDMUND FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS, THE NEXT 40 YEARS.

AND SO I REALLY ENCOURAGE US TO BE CAREFUL AND DELIBERATE ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT, THAT I FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THE STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE VARIANCES AND MAKING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO, UH, WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND TO WORK WITH MR. FRENCH AND OTHERS TO, TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE.

BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S ALSO A NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS QUITE A GIFT TO THE CITY ALSO.

AND, UM, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT MOST CITIES NEVER SEE.

AND SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION, I THINK AS THE COMMUNITY DOES TO TO BE PARTNERS WITH MR. FRENCH AND WITH THE TEAM HERE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS THING CAN WORK FOR BOTH OF US.

AND I, I RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, SOME OF THESE ISSUES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH REGARD TO THE COAL TRAIN, I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

I THINK THERE ARE SAFETY ISSUES.

I THINK THERE'S ISSUES THAT IMPACT, UH, NOT ONLY TRAFFIC SAFETY, BUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THE DECISIONS BEING MADE TODAY COULD IMPACT THAT STUFF.

AND SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE, UH, THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS, BUT TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET THAT WORK INCORPORATED INTO THIS DESIGN PROCESS.

BECAUSE TRYING TO WIDEN COAL TRAIN AFTER THE PARK'S ALREADY IN PLACE, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.

I MEAN, OF COURSE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THE, THERE'S ONE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A, UH, JUST SOUTH OF A CULVERT THAT CROSSES THE STREET THERE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THAT NEEDS TO BE REBUILT.

AND TO REBUILD THAT WHILE THE PARK IS OPEN AND YOU'RE TRYING TO USE THAT ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK IS JUST, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT.

SO I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPRECIATE WHAT THE STAFF HAS OFFERED TO YOU AS A BACKGROUND OF, OF THE INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED.

I HOPE THAT YOU TAKE IT TO HEART.

I THINK THAT WHAT THEY PROPOSED IS A MINIMUM OF WHAT SHOULD BE SOUGHT, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND SHOULD TAKE IT, UH, ON, ON THEMSELVES TO, TO WORK WITH MR. FRENCH TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER ON THIS THING TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF FOR 30, 40 YEARS TODAY.

WHAT WE DO TODAY IS GOING TO IMPACT WHAT PEOPLE THINK FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

AND I HOPE THAT THEY THINK HIGHLY OF ALL OF YOU.

THANK

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YOU.

YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE? YES MA'AM.

PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

MY NAME'S ANITA SCH SLOTT.

UM, WE LIVE OFF OF DAN FOURTH, UH, EAST OF COLTRANE.

UH, SO WE GO BUY THIS PROPERTY, UH, ON A DAILY BASIS.

UM, I MOVED TO EDMOND IN 1960.

UH, SO I HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH IN EDMOND THROUGH THE YEARS.

AND, UH, MY LAST JOB BEFORE RETIREMENT WAS AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE EDMOND HISTORICAL SOCIETY MUSEUM.

SO I HAVE A VERY, UH, STRONG INTEREST IN THE HISTORY OF EDMOND AND PRESERVING HISTORIC PLACES.

AND THIS BEING THE, UM, HORSE FARM THAT WE DROVE BY AS KIDS AND ALSO A FORMER MAYOR'S, UH, PROPERTY.

UM, I WAS VERY EXCITED WHEN I HEARD THAT HAL HAD PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, UM, AND WAS GOING TO NOT BUILD A STRIP MALL OR APARTMENTS ON IT AND THAT ITS BEAUTY WAS GONNA BE PRESERVED FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF EDMOND.

UM, I ONLY HAVE ONE COMMENT, UM, AND THAT IS, UH, LIVING IN EAST EDMOND MOST OF MY LIFE.

UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO HAVER PARK LATELY, UM, YOU KNOW HOW BUSY IT IS.

AND THAT'S OUR ONE PARK ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.

AND, UM, THAT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR LARGE CROWDS.

AND UM, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE DONATION AND, UM, THE GIFT THAT HAL IS GIVING.

AND THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS, WHAT WOULD IT COST THE CITY TO GO FIND A PIECE OF LAND LIKE THIS AND BUILD ANOTHER HAER PARK OR BUILD ANOTHER PARK OF ANY KIND AND WHAT, WHAT HE'S REQUESTING IN RETURN AS A PARTNERSHIP FROM THE CITY, I WOULD GUESS WOULD BE MUCH LESS OF AN INVESTMENT ON THE CITY'S PARK THAN IF THEY WERE GONNA TRY TO GO OUT AND BUY A PIECE OF LAND LIKE THIS, BUILD A PARK TO HELP SERVICE ALL THE GROWTH IN EAST EDMOND AND ALL THE NEW GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING EAST OF I 35.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM.

THAT'S, WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE ANOTHER TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

I'M, I'M STEVE DITTO.

I LIVE AT TWO 13 HAMPTON RIDGE ROAD IN HUNT WICK, RIGHT UP THERE ON THE BIG GRAY AREA KIND OF IN THERE.

AND I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THESE MEETINGS AND I WON'T BELABOR EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT A COUPLE OF COUNCILMEN HAVE INDICATED SOME AMOUNT OF CONFUSION WITH REGARD TO THESE NINE VARIANCES.

IS IT EIGHT VARIANCES, NINE VARIANCES? AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY WERE ONLY FOUR.

AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK, UH, SOMEBODY WHO WAS REFERRED TO A WHILE AGO IF JUST SAILED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS ALMOST NO DISCUSSION ON THAT WITH REGARD TO THE VARIANCES.

THERE WERE FOUR THEN NOW THEY'VE DOUBLED AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN KEEP IT STRAIGHT EITHER.

I MEAN, WHY DO WE WRITE THE CODE IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE VARIANCES LIKE THIS TO A LARGE PROJECT THAT COMES ALONG AND WHEN THE APPLICANT BASICALLY, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW, AND MR. FRENCH HAS SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS, HE'S GONNA SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY.

BUT ARE WE READY FOR THIS AT THIS POINT? AND ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK WE'RE NOT READY FOR IT IS THAT AREA THERE WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE GRAY AREA THAT COMES DOWN INTO COAL TRAIN, THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE NOW.

AND THERE ARE 400, OVER 400 PARKING SPACES IN THAT SNEAKY LOOKING AREA THERE.

SO IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN EVENT ON SATURDAY MORNING OR FRIDAY EVENING UP THERE AT THE, AND THEY'VE TAKEN THIS EVENT THING SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE MANY EVENTS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EVENTS WE'RE GONNA HAVE.

I MEAN, ANY COMPANY COULD OSTENSIBLY CAN COME IN AND RENT IT FOR 40 OR 50 OF ITS EMPLOYEES AND YOU CAN DO THAT ABOUT AT ANY TIME.

WELL, A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING DOWN DOWN SECOND STREET FROM THE WEST AND SECOND STREET FROM THE EAST AND DOWN COLTRANE FROM THE NORTH.

NOW THAT THE, UH, THE TURN IN THERE, THAT'S ONLY SINGLE LANES THERE.

THERE'S NOT A TURNOUT LANE, WHICH I WOULD BE GREATLY IN FAVOR OF TO WHERE PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE TRYING TO GO NORTH AND GET INTO, INTO HUNT WICK, I DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THOSE EVENT PEOPLE.

A HUNDRED CARS PERHAPS, OSTENSIBLY COULD BE, UH, I DON'T WANNA WAIT ON THEM TO TURN LEFT.

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AND ED, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OF THOSE.

AND HERE WITH THIS, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, AND I THINK ONE SIMPLE SOLUTION WOULD BE, AND I'M BY NO MEANS AN EXPERT, BUT ON THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC TURNING WEST INTO THE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT THERE, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A TURNAROUND, A TURNOUT LANE TO WHERE WE CAN JUST GO AROUND? WE GOT PART OF THAT DOWN AT SECOND AND COLTRAIN WHERE WE'RE GOING NORTHBOUND FROM THE INTERSECTION.

THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL LANE THERE THAT PEOPLE USE ALL THE TIME AND IT DOESN'T GO VERY FAR, A HUNDRED FEET OR SO, 125 FEET, BUT AT LEAST YOU'RE NOT BALLED UP GOING STRAIGHT UP NORTH OF COLTRANE.

AND WE CAN GO AROUND IT AT THAT POINT.

AND THAT SEEMS, THAT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A SOMEWHAT PETTY THING OR A SMALL THING, BUT THE PEOPLE LIVE IN HUNT WICK, IT'S A BIG DEAL.

IT'S GONNA BE A BIG DEAL.

SO, UH, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE, THAT'S SOME CONSIDERATION.

AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT DOES NOT WANT TO PAY WHAT IS REQUIRED TO MAKE THIS EXPANSION.

SO THEN WITH ALL THE OTHER VARIANCES THAT WE'VE GOT IN WHICH THIS IS ONE AND IT'S A BIG ONE TO ME, IT'S A REAL BIG ONE TO ME, THEN MAY PERHAPS THE APPLICANT HAS TO LOOK AT THAT AND RECONSIDER THAT TO GET RE TO DO AWAY WITH THIS POTENTIAL TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

AND THAT'S JUST NORTHBOUND ON COAL TRAIN, NOT GONNA ADDRESS THE OTHER ONES THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING.

BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

IT'S GONNA BE A SATURDAY MORNING AND THERE'S 300 PEOPLE GOING IN THERE AND I'M GONNA TRY TO GET HOME FROM THE SOUTH AND GUESS WHAT I'M GONNA DO? I'M GOING TO GO AROUND UP TO DAN FOR, CUZ I WANT TO AVOID THAT PROBLEM.

BUT I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL TODAY CAN HELP US AVOID THAT PROBLEM BY MAKING WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS DENYING THAT PARTICULAR REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OR COMING UP WITH SOMETHING WITH THE APPLICANT HERE TO WHERE WE CAN BUILD SOMETHING AT LEAST TO ALLEVIATE, ALLEVIATE THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR.

C CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? SO IS THAT UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION UNDER VARIS TWO? IS THAT WHAT MR. DITTO IS PROPOSING THE SAME THING OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR ADDITIONAL? SO IT SAID, UM, UH, ACKNOWLEDGES THE NEED FOR NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE IN SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE, AS THAT WOULD LIKELY BE RECOMMENDATION OF A TRAFFIC STUDY.

IS THAT WHAT MR. DITTO WAS TALKING ABOUT? OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT? SO YEAH, THAT JUST RELATES TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT TO DO IT.

YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T, BUT THE RECORD NOT RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IT.

WE CAN DO AWAY WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT EVERYONE NEEDS TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE NEED A LEFT TURN AND RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PARK OFF OF COLTRANE.

ISN'T THAT WHAT MR. DITTO WAS TALKING ABOUT TOO? CORRECT.

AS FAR AS THE, YEAH, IT'S BASICALLY JUST SAYING HERE'S WHAT EVERYBODY BELIEVES THE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WOULD REVEAL, UM, AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THOSE LANES ARE REQUIRED NOT ADDRESSING WHO'S GOING TO BUILD THEM.

SO EVERYONE AGREES THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT, IF THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT I ALSO WANTED TO LET THE RESIDENT KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING IN THIS RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM.

, SORRY, THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT SO MAYOR COUNCILMAN MUG, ARE YOU ASKING WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE ON THAT, IF I THINK I HEARD RANDALL SAY IS THEIR REQUEST IS COLTRANE BECOMES RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT.

BUT MY CLARIFICATION TOO WAS THAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT WHAT MR. DITTO WAS PROPOSING WAS ALSO WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE THE BY CITY STAFF.

THE CITY STAFF.

IT'S THE SAME RECOMMENDATION I WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT, UM, ROAD THING SOMEWHERE ELSE ON COLTRANE THAT HE WAS PROPOSING OR THE SAME THING.

YEAH, BUT I THINK IT'S THE SAME THING.

, BUT IT DOESN'T ANSWER THE BIGGER QUESTION.

AND THAT WE MAY THINK TODAY IT DOESN'T NEED IT OR DOES NEED IT.

BUT WHO'S GONNA WRITE THE CHECK? BUT REALLY I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF WE WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.

SORRY, I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT.

I THINK WHATEVER IS DETERMINED TONIGHT AND IF IT, WHETHER WE DON'T APPROVE VARIANCE OR WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE AND THAT SHIFTS THE BURDEN TO US AT WHATEVER FUTURE DATE, AT WHATEVER FUTURE TIME, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME MORE EVALUATION ON THE STREET.

WE JUST, YEAH.

WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH TO SAY WHAT'S NEEDED TODAY VERSUS NOT NEEDED TODAY.

AND IF IT'S 3, 5, 7, WHATEVER YEARS IT IS FOR NOW, LET'S JUST SAY THE CITY TAKES ON RESPONSIBILITY.

I I'M SURE STEVE AND THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S GONNA LIKE, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS.

WE WANT TO GO OUT AND PROBABLY TAKE SOME TIME TO DO SOME VALUATION.

WHAT IS THE STREET DESIGN?

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WE MAY FIND WHENEVER WE'RE READY TO DO IT, THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND SITUATIONS HAVE ADJUSTED.

AND THE STUDY NOW SAYS YOU SHOULD BE DOING X, Y AND Z.

I'M JUST, JUST BEING REALISTIC TODAY IS WE DO NOT KNOW, RIGHT? WE'RE DOING OUR BEST, BUT I'M GUESSING THERE HAS NOT BEEN A DETAILED STUDY, AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE NEEDED.

GOING AND GET ON WITH THESE VARIANCES.

, IS THAT ACCURATE? STEVE? WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YES.

AND THEN THERE'S JUST THE, I MEAN WE HAVE A, A VARIETY OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO TODAY.

I MEAN, UH, OF HOWEVER YOU ALL WANT TO PROCEED.

IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE EACH VARIANCE AND, AND LOOK AT IT INDIVIDUALLY AND SAY YAY OR NAY ON THAT OR GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, WE COULD DO THAT.

UM, THERE'S SOME OF THESE VARIANCES HERE.

THE, THE APPLICANT SAYS WE WANT THE THE CITY TO, TO BEAR THE COSTS.

WELL WE JUST WENT THROUGH OUR BUDGET MEETING AND WE MADE, HAD SOME RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN AN AIR AND I DON'T EVER, I DIDN'T, THE NOTES I TOOK, THERE WAS NOT ONE REDUCTION OF COSTS IN OUR BUDGET MEETING.

SO HOW DO, HOW DO WE ANALYZE THAT AND PUT THAT IN HERE? UM, UH, I KNOW ONE OF THE MANY EMAILS I RECEIVED, UM, ON THIS AREA, ONE, ONE PERSON SAID, YES, CO-TRAIN NEEDS TO BE, UH, IMPROVED.

BUT I, I THINK THEY WERE LIVING WILLING TO LIVE WITH IT AS LONG AS BY 2026 SOMETHING WAS DONE.

AND IF FOR THE 2026 IT WAS THE CENTENNIAL OF THE, OF 66.

CUZ WE ARE ANTICIPATING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS, A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO BE HERE FOR THAT COME SEE.

SO WE'D LIKE TO BE OPEN BY THEN.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S WHAT WE ARE HAVING HERE IS A SHIFT IN RESPONSIBILITY THAT IS THAT THIS COUNCIL HERE HAS TO FIGURE OUT.

AND JUST BEF JUST LET ME BE CLEAR ON THIS.

THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL AND EVEN THIS COUNCIL HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT.

IT'S, I DON'T IF THEY PUT UP, IF SOMEONE SAID THEY PUT UP THEIR HAND TO SAY THEY WANTED NOT HAVE THE DISCUSSION, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.

THERE'S BEEN THE DIALOGUE.

WHAT YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT IS SOMETIMES WE STILL HAVEN'T HOOKED UP ON A FEW ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE MET.

SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO WALK OUTTA HERE SAYING THAT THEY FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO WORK, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT.

UM, IT'S JUST SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE JUST NOT YOU, YOU, YOU'RE WALK YOU, YOU'RE, WHAT YOU ARE VISUALLY SEEING TONIGHT IS SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU NEVER SEE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE DONE IN THE CONFERENCE ROOMS AND ALL THAT.

SO YEAH.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND, MAYOR, I WAS AT THE BUDGET DEAL TODAY.

I ALSO KNOW THAT A BUDGET DEAL TODAY, THERE WAS $9 MILLION FOR SOME SYNTHETIC FIELDS THAT JUST CAME OUT OF THE BLUE ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S GONNA GET CONSIDERED.

SO I I'VE BEEN AROUND GOVERNMENT AND INVOLVED IN GOVERNMENT LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW IF THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY, THEN THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING THE CITY TO DO TONIGHT.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

YOU KNOW, YOU WILL GRANT, WE'VE NEVER SAID THERE'S NOT A COST TO THE CITY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE WHITENING.

I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW THAT AND YES, PLAN FOR THE BIGGEST, MOST MASSIVE PROJECT YOU CAN DO THERE.

THAT'S FINE.

WE, WHAT YOU DO IS LEFT TO BE DETERMINED TO YOU WHEN YOU DECIDE TO DO IT.

WE WOULD PREFER THAT IT BE DONE SOONER THAN LATER.

I GUARANTEE YOU THE HUNT WICK RESIDENTS WOULD, WOULD PREFER IT BE DONE SOONER THAN LATER.

AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE IT DONE BY 2026 AS YOU SAY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE NICE.

YEAH, 66 IS GONNA GET A LOT OF ATTENTION.

THIS PARK WILL BE OPEN THEN IT'S GONNA GET A HECK OF A LOT OF ATTENTION.

BUT I GUESS WE CAN JUST, I MEAN, I, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR I, I CAN JUST ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, IF NOT KNOWING WHO THEY ARE, BUT IF YOU'RE HERE TO SUPPORT THIS PARK, WILL YOU JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND AND LET US KNOW? PARDON? QUALIFICATION? YEAH.

WELL I UNDERSTAND.

IF YOU'RE HERE FOR A TRAFFIC JAM ON COAL TRAIN, RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY, WELL WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THAT FIXED.

WELL, IT'S GOTTA BE FIXED.

WELL, OF COURSE IT'S GOTTA GET FIXED, RANDALL, YOU KNOW, IT DOES.

SO, NO, I KNOW IT'SS GOTTA BE FIXED.

LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THAT

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WELL, I KNOW THAT'S GOTTA BE FIXED A MINUTE.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR A PARTNERSHIP ON COLTRANE? I CAN SEE IT NOW.

THE PARTNERSHIPS WE'RE GOING.

THE THE FRENCH, THE FRENCH MEMORIAL COLTRANE ROAD .

NO, NO.

THAT IS NOT WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE.

TRUST ME.

HAL DOESN'T WANT HIS NAME ATTACHED TO ANYTHING, NOR DO I.

BUT UM, THE SITE PLAN ITSELF HAS TWO THINGS THAT COST THE CITY MONEY ARE GONNA COST THE CITY MONEY IF THEY HAPPEN.

THE COAL TRAIN IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE GIVING YOU WHATEVER RIGHT OF WAY YOU REASONABLY NEED NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU ANYTHING EXCEPT IT WOULD BE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

AND IF YOU DO THE POND, YOU'LL HAVE A COST THERE.

BUT WE TAKE CARE OF YOUR ONGOING FOREVER HEREAFTER COST ON THAT ISSUE.

I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GRANT THE VARIANCE AND ALLOW, AND WE WILL COMMIT HERE THAT IF IN FACT THE CITY DOES WHAT OUR DISCUSSIONS WERE WITH THE CITY, THEN WE WILL DO THE MAINTENANCE IN PERPETUITY.

IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, THEN WE WANT THE VARIANCE TO THE DETENTION GRANTED BY THE COUNCIL.

AND I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SWAB CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY, BUT I DO KNOW IF THE CITY DOES THE POND AND WE TAKE THE MAINTENANCE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

IT'S NOT A VARIANCE ANYMORE.

MR. MR. MERAD BE INTERESTED IF THERE'S ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO FEELS LIKE THEIR PARTICULAR POINT HASN'T BEEN REPRESENTED, IF THEY WANNA DO THAT.

AND THEN I'LL MAKE A COMMENT TO FABLE.

MY NAME IS KEN LABER AND I'M A RESIDENT OF THE HUNT LICK SUBDIVISION.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

I THINK SEVERAL ISSUES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH GOOD CLARITY.

I'D JUST LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO BE TRANSPARENT IN THIS SITUATION AND TO ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THE VARIANCES INDIVIDUALLY AND VOTE ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

WHAT WAS YOUR LAST NAME, SIR? I'M SORRY.

LABORER.

HOW DO YOU SPELL THAT? L O E B E R.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MR. MURDOCH.

IS THAT, UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

IS THAT HOW WE WOULD, COULD WE DO THAT? COULD WE GO THROUGH EACH VARI? CERTAINLY, YES.

OR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CHATTING ABOUT IS, WILL THIS CITY SUPPORT A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND FOR TRANSPORTATION? AND I WOULD BELIEVE THAT A PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT HAS SUCH POSITIVE CULTURAL, ECONOMIC AND JUST CITIZEN PRIDE AROUND IT, WITH MERIT CONSIDERATION IN THAT DISCUSSION.

JUST TO CLARIFY.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER COMMENT THAT HASN'T BEEN REPRESENTED? UM, JUST HAVING JUST JUMPED INTO THIS POOL LAST COUPLE MONTHS AND TALKED TO MANY RESIDENTS, TALKED TO UH, UH, THOSE DEVELOPING THE PARK.

UH, COUPLE COMMENTS.

ONE IS PEOPLE MOVE TO EDMOND BECAUSE OF QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE LOVE IT HERE.

WE WANT OUR FAMILIES TO BE HERE.

UM, MANY OF US, AND HOPEFULLY MYSELF INCLUDED IN THE FUTURE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW FOR A WHILE, MY KIDS DON'T HAVE TO LIVE NEAR ME, BUT EVENTUALLY GRANDKIDS HOPEFULLY NEAR, ARE NEAR SOMEWHERE.

AND WE WANT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN PLAY AND THAT WE CAN VISIT.

UM, WE DON'T NECESSARILY GET TO PLAN WHEN AMAZING OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THE LARGEST PHILANTHROPIC, UH, CONTRIBUTION IN OUR MODERN PARKS HISTORY.

UH, THE WILLING TO BE FACT CHECKED BY THE, THE LADY WHO IS THE, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

UH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS AND THAT WE HAVE TO GET CREATIVE ON.

PEOPLE IN, IN THE CITY, AS I TALK TO 'EM OR GET TO KNOW THEM, ARE ALWAYS GONNA DO TWO THINGS.

THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA SUPPORT QUALITY EDUCATION CUZ WE, THAT'S WHY WE MOVED HERE AS WELL.

AND WE LOVE OUR SCHOOLS AND WE'RE GONNA PROMOTE AND ACCEPT QUALITY OF QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE'RE A CITY THAT FOR A LONG TIME IS AT 48,000, 50,000, 60,000.

WE'RE NOW THE FIFTH LARGEST CITY AND WE'RE AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

AS THESE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES COME, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A TRAFFIC CONSIDERATION THAT WILL IMPACT QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S THE LARGEST PHILANTHROPIC ART PARK, WHICH WILL BE A REGIONAL DRAW.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF, UM, MULTIPLE PRAYERS ARE ANSWERED, UH, I GUESS TOMORROW BY SOME PEOPLE.

AND A WHOLE FOODS ROLLS UP, YOU KNOW, OFF OF COVE.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE WILL DEMAND A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE THAT DRAWS MOST PEOPLE HERE BECAUSE OF A TRANSPORTATION THING.

AND SO WHAT DOES THAT DICTATE AS WE GET TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND? I'LL JUST SAY IT.

OUR CITY NEEDS DEDICATED TRANSPARENT TRANSPORTATION FUNDING FOR OUR CITY.

IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD.

WE TEND TO TAKE IT OUT OF OUR GENERAL REVENUE OR CIP P UH, WHICH NEED TO GO TO THE SUPPORT OF OUR QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS.

I MIGHT BE WRONG AND THE VOTERS MIGHT GIVE ME A BIG THUMBS DOWN, BUT FROM A LEADERSHIP STANDPOINT, WHAT I WANNA PROPOSE OVER THE NEXT YEAR IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT

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AND SO AS A LEADER, ONE OF JUST MANY, UH, ON THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY AND OTHERS, I WOULD JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT, UM, THAT THAT WOULD BE WHAT I, THAT I'LL, THAT I'LL BE FOCUSED ON DOING.

UM, IF IT'S NOT THIS PARK, IT'S ZONED FOR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK I'LL GET TO HERE PRETTY MUCH AT EVERY CITY COUNCIL MEETING I GO TO IN MY FOUR YEAR TENURE, A FULL HOUSE ARGUING AND YELLING OR BEING UPSET ABOUT A HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL POTENTIAL RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT AND WHAT THE ROADS ARE GONNA BE LIKE.

UM, SO AS I LOOK AT THIS, I JUST LOOK AT THIS AS A SYMPTOM OF SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY OUR CITY WILL CONTINUE TO BE A RECIPIENT OF, WHICH IS MAJOR INVESTMENTS WHERE OUR PHILANTHROPIC, COMMERCIAL OR OTHERWISE.

AND WE HAVE TO SOLVE THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE.

I THINK IF WE TRY TO SCRATCH THE ITCH EVERY TIME THEY COME UP AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE ONE BANDAID SOLUTION, UH, NOW THAT WE'RE AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, WE'RE GONNA GET STUCK MORE OFTEN THAN WE GET TRACTION.

SO MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO TAKE THESE VARIANCES AS THEY'RE LISTED ONE BY ONE.

UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M DIVING INTO THE BUDGET JUST LIKE ALL MY CITY COUNSELORS AND WE WANNA DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WE WANNA BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T PICK THE TIMING ON THESE THINGS, BUT I'M DEDICATED TO FINDING THE CAPITAL.

BUT I THINK LONG TERM AS A COMMUNITY, I WOULD JUST PUT OUT THERE THAT WE NEED A LONG TERM TRANSPORTATION.

TRANSPORTATION, A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND THAT WE LOOK AT SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN DO THESE THINGS CUZ COLTRANE'S NOT THE ONLY DOG THAT NEEDS TO HUNT ON THIS DEAL.

SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITIZENS OF HUNT WITH ALL OF YOUR COMMUNICATIONS HAVE BEEN LIKE MM-HMM.

, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR Y'ALL CAUSE OKAY.

MY INBOX HAS ONLY BEEN OPEN FOR TWO WEEKS, BUT EVERYTHING I'VE RECEIVED HAS BEEN VERY CH CORDIAL.

IT'S BEEN VERY FACT DRIVEN.

IT HASN'T BEEN NAME CALLING, IT HASN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, VISCERAL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

I HOPE THAT'S HOW OUR COMMUNITY CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS ITSELF.

BUT I REALLY THINK THAT PAIN OVERALL ISN'T GONNA BE ADDRESSED.

AND SO WE HAVE DEDICATED, UH, TRANSPORTATION FUNDS THAT CAN SUPPORT THESE SIGNIFICANT PHILANTHROPIC OR COMMERCIAL INVESTMENTS.

WELL, COUNSEL, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ON THIS ITEM? I'D LIKE TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I, I NEED ONE.

LET'S PLEASE COME BACK YET.

LET'S DO IT.

FIVE MINUTES.

CAN LET'S COME BACK TO 10 AFTER.

ALL RIGHT, DENNIS, LET'S TAKE A BREAK FOR QUICK SECOND.

OKAY, LET'S, THAT'S, THEY WENT AFTER ME.

LOVE IT.

THAT WAS A TRUE FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

, WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL MEETING AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION, BUT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA COME BACK UP RIGHT NOW AND, AND GO THROUGH THAT SCORECARD I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

WE'VE GOT NINE VARIANCES HERE WHERE WE ARE, OR IN THEIR EYES ON, ON EACH VARIANT SO THAT, UM, THE CITIZENS THAT ARE REMAINING CAN, CAN UNDERSTAND THAT AND STAFF CAN UNDERSTAND THAT AND THE COUNCIL CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR MARKEN.

NOW AGAIN.

UH, SO WE THOUGHT IT'D BE HELPFUL.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND A COUPLE OF THE VARIANCES HAVE, HAVE MORPHED OR BEEN ELIMINATED.

SO I JUST WANNA QUICKLY RECAP, UH, VARIANCE NUMBER ONE ABOUT USING A PRIVATE SEWER SOLUTION.

WE ARE STILL REQUESTING VARIANCE.

TWO, WE ARE REQUESTING NO TRAFFIC STUDY BE PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.

UH, NUMBER THREE.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'D YOU JUST SAY? NOT REQUIRED DURING PART OF HIS APPLICATION.

THAT'S NOT WHAT, OKAY, THAT'S ALL.

NO, NO.

CHANGE TO VARIANCE ONE OR VARIANCE TWO.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? THE PARK TRUST CONSERV.

UH, SAME FOR THREE AND FOUR, WE WOULD ASK TO ELIMINATE VARIANCE.

UH, NUMBER FIVE, THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE SITE TRIANGLE.

WE'VE AGREED TO PULL THE ART PIECE, UH, AT LEAST 35 FEET BACK.

AND THEN WE WOULD KEEP THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCES SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT.

AND THEN VARIANCE NINE IS A REQUEST, UH, TO WAIVE THE DETENTION REQUIREMENT.

UH, AND WHAT WE ARE WILLING TO COMMIT TO, UH, WAS PUT A CONDITION ON THAT VARIANCE THAT, UH, IF THE CITY IS ABLE TO WORK IT OUT WITH THE HUNT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO REDO THAT DETENTION POND, THAT THE PARK WOULD MAINTAIN THAT DETENTION FACILITY, UH, IN THE FUTURE.

WHEN YOU SAY THE PARK,

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I MEAN, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

CLARIFY THAT THE PARK TRUST IS GONNA, IF WE DO THIS THE WAY YOU AND I HAVE TALKED, THAT WE WANT TO DO IT, UH, AND THIS IS THE WAY THE GATHERING PLACE DID IT.

THERE WILL BE, THERE IS IN EXISTENCE TODAY, THE SCULPTURE PARK OPERATIONS LLC, A NONPROFIT SET UP SPECIFICALLY TO HANDLE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THIS PARK.

AND IT WILL BE UNDER CONTRACT TO THE UNCOMMON GROUND, WHICH IS THE ENTITY THAT WILL TRANSFER THE LAND THE ITSELF TO THE PARK TRUSS, WHICH GETS THE, THE LAND IN THE TRUSS NAME COMPLEX TOOK A LONG TIME FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE GATHERING PLACE WAS DONE WHEN THEY SENT ME DOCUMENTS LIKE THAT.

BUT I DID FIGURE IT OUT FINALLY.

SO THE OP THE SCULPTURE PARK OPERATIONS LLC WILL BE THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S REQUIRED TO DO IT BECAUSE IT WILL BE UNDER CONTRACT TO UNCOMMON GROUND, WHO'S GONNA BE TRUST APPROVE OF PUBLIC TRUST.

UH, BUT THAT CONTRACT WILL, WILL PREDATE THE CONVEYANCE OF THE LAND ENTITY TO THE TRUST.

SO, UH, THAT LLC IS THE ONE THAT'S RESPONSIBLE.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE, AND I THINK THE, IF I'M NOT SEEKING TO MAKE THE PARK CONSERVATIVE TRUST RESPONSIBLE, UH, BUT THAT'S, I THINK THE TRUSTEES WOULD DO THAT IF THE COUNCIL WANTED THAT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT SERVES ANY PURPOSE.

BUT IT IS, IT IS THE NONPROFIT LLC THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE DETENTION POND.

AND THEY WILL, IT WILL HAVE A CONTRACT WITH UNCOMMON GROUND, ANOTHER NONPROFIT THAT'S BEEN, WE'RE TRANSFERRING THE PARKLAND, NOT THE RESTAURANT TO PARKING.

AND THEN THAT ENTITY IS GONNA BE TRANSFERRED TO THE TRUST DEPART SERVE YOUR TRUST, AND THEN THAT TRUST BASICALLY OWNS THE PARK.

BUT MAINTENANCE IS DONE BY THE OPERATIONS LLC.

IT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE OBLIGATION, BUT NOT THE CITY NON-PROFIT LLC.

SO, OKAY, SO ON VARIANCE SEVEN, IS IT A WIDTH OF 64 FEET? BECAUSE THIS SAYS 63, IT'D BE A WIDTH OF 64 BASED ON A RECENT CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL.

SO THAT'S 64.

AND ON VARIANCE EIGHT, YOU'RE WANTING 37 FEET, NOT 35.

THAT IS CORRECT.

WHAT'S THAT? TWO FEET GET YOU THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE AS PROPOSED.

IF WE WERE 35 FEET, WE WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE.

THE CITY SUPPORT, THE CITY STAFF SUPPORTIVE OF 35.

I, I'D ASK STAFF FOR CLARITY IF, UH, STAFF WAS OBJECTING TO THE 37 FEET.

I TH IF WE WERE AT 35, WE WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED THE VARIANCE REQUEST.

SO THE VARIANCE IS FOR THE OVERALL STRUCTURE, IT'S WELL OVER 50 FEET.

RIGHT? WE WERE SAYING WE ARE OKAY WITH IT BEING OVER 50 FEET.

AS LONG AS THERE'S NOTHING OCCUPIABLE ABOVE THAT 35 FEET, UH, 35, 37.

SAME THING FROM THAT DISTANCE ISN'T GONNA MAKE THAT GRADED DIFFERENCE IN STATUS.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ACCURATE VARI VARIANCES THAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

AND SO THE VARIANCE REQUESTED IS FOR THE 50 SAM ODD FOOT STRUCTURE, BUT THE MM-HMM.

, THE 37 FOOT PLATFORM.

AND THEN IN A BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH STAFF DURING OUR, OUR BREAK, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU, UH, WAS THAT EACH VARIANCE WAS GONNA BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY, BUT A UH, MOTION ON THE OVERALL SITE PLAN WOULD ALSO BE NEEDED AT THE END OF THAT ONE.

MR. LAWRENCE? IF WE STARTED TOMORROW, SO WHY TRAIN, WHEN WOULD THAT BE DONE? ENGINEERING ALL THE WAY THE STUDY FIRST AND THREE TO FOUR YEARS.

DO YOU HAVE WE HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE IMMEDIATELY.

ASK THAT AGAIN, MARY.

IF WE STARTED NEXT WEEK RIGHT.

TO WIDEN COLTRANE, RIGHT.

WHEN WOULD WE CUT THE RIBBON AND SAY WE'RE FIT? IT'S ALL DONE.

IT, IT, IT DEPENDS.

WE COULD DO SOMETHING TEMPORARY, UH, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE GET AT COVELL AND COLTRAIN.

IT DOESN'T NEED UTILITY RELOCATIONS.

WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY BECAUSE HUNT LAKE IS GOING TO NEED SOME RELIEF IF WE WERE TO DO THE LEFT TURN, RIGHT TURN FULL WIDENING.

LANE AND RIGHT TURN LANE ON COL TRAIN TECH? UH, PROBABLY THE SOONEST WOULD BE ABOUT 18 MONTHS FROM NOW.

, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE TO MOVE UTILITIES THAT WOULD TAKE AROUND THREE, THREE AND A HALF YEARS.

HOW LONG WOULD LEFT TURN

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SO THAT COULD BE DONE PRIOR TO OPENING OF THE PARK, BUT IF WE DO THAT, THEN WE WANNA WIDEN IT.

WE'RE JUST BLOWING IT UP AND DOING IT AGAIN IN TECHNICAL ENGINEERING TERMS. , THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

HIGHLY ISH, RIGHT? YES, YES, YES.

YAY.

WE CAN MAKE ANYTHING A PRIORITY THAT YOU WANT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REVISED, UH, VARIANCE REQUESTS? I'M GONNA MAKE THE, THE ASSUMPTION THAT EVEN THOUGH ON 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, MAYBE EVEN SEVEN, THE CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HASN'T CHANGED.

IT'S STILL GONNA BE THE SAME.

YEAH, I WOULD SAY ON THE FIRST VARIANCE, UM, SOME CITY STAFF FEEL IT'S REASONABLE FOR THIS VARIANCE.

UH, WE DIDN'T REACH A CONSENSUS ON A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE VARIANCE.

CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? LOUDER? OKAY.

I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, SOME CITY STAFF FEEL THIS.

UH, FIRST VARIANCE IS REASONABLE.

UH, JUST NOT ALL THE CITY STAFF DO.

WE DIDN'T REACH A CONSENSUS TO SUPPORT THIS.

WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND CUZ I WE'RE DEALING WITH THE FLOODPLAIN HERE, SO, OKAY.

UM, BUT ALRIGHT.

SO YOU, YOU, YOU HAD SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADDRESS IT AS WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS RELATIVE TO THE STAFF'S REQUESTS AND IF THERE'S CONCURRENCE OR NOT CONCURRENCE FROM THE APPLICANT ON HIS REQUEST.

AND GET THE LICENSE.

SO I CAN HOLD THAT OFF TO VERY, TO EACH ONE.

SO NOW I'M JUST GONNA ADDRESS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON, UM, SO WOULD THE, AM I HEARING FROM THE COUNCILS THAT YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH VARIANCE INDIVIDUALLY? WE DISCUSS IT WITH THE CITY STAFF, THEIR POSITION ON IT AT THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE WOULD VOTE ON IT.

AND THEN IS IT, UH, WAS IT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO A OVERALL VOTE FOR THE SIDE PLAN FOR THE SIDE PLAN PLAN AT THE END? YEAH.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE NEED TO DO THAT.

AND THE PLAN.

I SEEMS LIKE COUNCILOR DOUG WAS ABLE TO CAPTURE THE LANGUAGE.

AND SO SOMEONE'S GOT IT OVER HERE, RIGHT? AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE I WAS JUST GOING TO, BUT I THINK WE, WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE ONE.

OH, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

I'M JUST SAYING ABSOLUTELY.

I KNOW THAT YOU LOOKS, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE, THE WORDS THAT WE NEED, RIGHT? EXCEPT FOR BLOW OUT THE TRAFFIC.

SO COUNSEL, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? YOU WANT TO GO TAKE, YOU WANNA MAKE A DECISION ON THIS TONIGHT? I DO.

THAT'S, I'M HERE.

I WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE.

ANYBODY ELSE COULD? SO THEN I WOULD NEED A MOTION FOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO CONSIDER.

WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION FOR EACH ONE.

SO VERY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THE MOTION AFTER WE TALK ABOUT IT.

IS THAT CORRECT, MAYOR? NO, I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION THEN.

MAKE THE MOTION SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

MR. MAYOR, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANCE ONE.

AND THAT'S ALSO FOR YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF OUR MOTIONS ARE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

SO WE HAVE TO SAY THAT WE, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE IT.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE ONES WE ARE WANTING TO DO SEPTIC ARE THE TWO CEDAR THERE.

AND THIS ONE THAT'S BASICALLY NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE PARK WILL BE CONNECTED TO THE CITY'S SYSTEM.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO, THREE HOLES, BASICALLY.

OR WE PUT, WE VOTED FOR IT, BUT WE PUT IN THE NOTES OR MINUTES OR WHATEVER KIND OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD CLARIFY THE, LET THE INTENT OF IT.

SO RANDOM BLOCKS HERE, YOU'RE SUBJECT TO THOSE TWO.

YOUR REQUEST IS THOSE TWO SPECIFIC LOCATIONS HAVE THE VARIANCE TO BE VARIANCE.

AND, AND WE ALREADY KNOW THEY'RE OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN AND THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED BY THE EQ.

OKAY, SO MR. MURDOCH, CLARIFY.

CLARIFY.

WOULD THIS WORK LIKE WE DID THE VOTE ON THE GOLF CART

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IS THAT FAIR TO SAY WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, YOUR HONOR? WELL THEN I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO APPROVE VARIANCE ONE AND WITH ONLY, THERE WILL BE TWO FACILITIES ON SEPTIC.

TWO, TWO PUBLIC RIGHT THERE AT THE CROSS TIMBERS BUILDING AND THE ONE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT THE STAGE.

AND THEY MUST BE OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAN AND THEY MUST BE OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAN.

MR. LAWRENCE, DOES THAT JIVE WITH WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? YES.

SECOND, MY MOTION IS THAT, OKAY.

AND I'M GONNA SECOND THAT ONE.

IN VOTE.

SO WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND IN JUST FOR VALIDATE.

THOSE THREE ARE OUT OF THE ETTE PLAIN.

TWO FACILITIES, THREE POTTIES.

THAT WILL BE IN THE LANGUAGE THERE.

THERE'S TWO FACILIT, THREE POTTIES.

DON'T PUT THAT AS A MEDIC.

COREY.

COUNSEL.

UM, OKAY, CAN WE VOTE? YEAH, VOTE PLEASE.

THAT ITEM FOR THAT FIRST VARIANCE HAS PASSED.

OKAY, MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM TWO, THE ELIMINATION OF THE REQUIRED TRAFFIC STUDY.

AND SO THIS ONE WAS ON THE SECOND.

WE HAD A MOTION TO SECOND, BUT ALSO ON THIS ONE, THERE WAS ALSO IN HERE THAT, UH, THE STAFF SUPPORTS.

BUT WE WANT THE APPLICANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE NEED FOR NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AND SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE.

UM, BECAUSE YES, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD'VE NOT, WOULD PROBABLY, WOULD'VE, WOULD'VE BROUGHT THAT OUT.

AND THEN THE WOULD THE QUESTION THOUGH HAS TO BE ON THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF, OF DOING THAT? WELL THAT ACTUALLY THAT FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED FROM THIS ONE AND, AND, AND BE PART OF THE OVERALL VARIANCE.

I THINK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ON COAL TRAIN FOR EIGHT, WHAT THIS DOES IS ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S GONNA SHOW AS NEEDED.

, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

AND THAT'S THE VARIANCE IS FOR US TO HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEN THE MOTION IS I HAVE VARIANCE TO, TO ELIMINATE THE TRAFFIC STUDY, CORRECT? YES.

BUT ALSO THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE APPLICANT PAY FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY, CORRECT? RIGHT.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

BUT THAT, DO WE NOT ALSO WANT THE, THE PART TO, TO ADDRESS THE NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND LANES? WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MARY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

WE'RE NOT DOING THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT EVERYONE'S FROM THE VERY BEGINNINGS AGREED THAT THAT WOULD BE THE OUTCOME.

AND STAFF WANTS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THAT.

WELL, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT, BUT I THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH ACTUALLY THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ON COLTRAIN.

IS REALLY ON SIX ITEM NUMBER SIX.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

SO TOO, ALL WE'RE DOING NOW IS TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

THEN MY MOTION STANDS.

DID I SECOND IT? YOU, YOU DO.

SO PLEASE, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

NOW I GUESS I NEED TO VOTE THAT ITEM IS PASSED.

NOW WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE VARIANCE FOR THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY.

UH, AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE USED BY EVENT STAFF AND UH, MAINTENANCE STAFF AND OTHERS, BUT IT WAS NOT A PUBLIC ACCESS ROAD.

UH, I'M ALSO ASSUMING THOUGH, THAT IF NEEDED EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CAN GET THROUGH THERE.

MR. MAYORS, WE, WE DO REQUEST THIS VARIANCE MAYOR, UH, WITHOUT THE OTHER IN THINGS THAT THE STAFF HAD SUGGESTED BECAUSE OF ITS LIMITED USE, NUMBER ONE.

AND NUMBER TWO, THERE'S ALREADY, IF YOU'RE COMING NORTH, THERE'S ALREADY I THINK A LANE WHERE, UH, IF NEED BE A VEHICLE OR A TRUCK COULD PULL OFF ON THE SHOULDER THERE AS IT'S AS IT'S BUILT, IF I RECALL.

CAN, CAN, CAN I ASK STAFF A QUESTION ABOUT THIS? YES.

IS IT POSSIBLE SINCE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE USED BY THE PUBLIC, YOU BACK ON NUMBER.

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BY THE PUBLIC.

, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS WHEN YOU'RE EXITING LEFT TURN ONLY, WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL AT THIS MOMENT OR NOT? RIGHT? TURN ONLY.

IT WOULD BE RIGHT TURN.

WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? YEAH.

I MEAN IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO HOW MUCH THIS GETS USED.

IT TURNS, YEAH.

AND SO, UM, WHEN WE GO BACK WITH OUR ROAD STUDIES AND LOOK AT TRAFFIC SAFETY, THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY IT WILL SAY TO PUT A MEDIAN HERE.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND I GET THAT THEN.

BUT FOR UNTIL WE GET TO SIX .

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL.

ONE ANOTHER THING IS, IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED IS THAT THIS PART OF THE PARK DOWN HERE IS NOT FOR PUBLIC RIGHT USE.

SO MY HESITANCY WOULD BE I WOULDN'T EVEN WANT THE PUBLIC TO EXIT OUT OF THERE.

NO, NO, NO.

BUT JUST STAFF.

JUST STAFF.

YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE.

SO IT'S GATED.

DIDN'T YOU SAY IT WAS? IT'S GATED.

EXCEPT WHEN THE EVENT PEOPLE COME IN TO PUT THIS COMING IN, THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL PARK THEIR VEHICLES.

THERE'LL BE NO OTHER VEHICLES.

SO IT'S ALOS AND THE GATE WILL BE CLOSED.

SO, SO RANDOLPH, I'M, YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF MEDIAN AT THAT LOCATION? NO, WE'RE NOT REALLY.

BUT WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT IN THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT YEAH.

THEN YEAH, YOU DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, THEN YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO.

I MEAN THAT'S WE'RE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, SAFETY AND STACKING.

I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IF WE IMPROVE THAT ROAD, I MEDIA'S GOING IN PERIOD.

I MEAN I THINK RANDALL, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR A MEDIAN.

WELL WE, I MEAN, AND I AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MEDIAN ON COAL TRAIN.

UH, CORRECT.

, I MEAN I, THAT HAPPENS UNFORTUNATELY FOR DEVELOPERS ALL OVER TOWN.

NUMBER SIX, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO LOOK.

YEAH, NO, WE UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

IT'S KIND OF MOOT BECAUSE IT'LL GO IN WITH SIX.

SO I MEAN, DO WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE ON THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY OR NOT? I MEAN, I THINK I, THE QUESTION IS, IS WE'RE OKAY WOULD BE, WOULD WE BE OKAY FOR THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY TO REMAIN AS IS? WE'RE GONNA PUT A GATE UP WITH THE DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT A MEDIAN ON COAL TRAIN WE MADE.

IF THE COUNCIL DETERMINES WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AND THAT WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE.

AT THE, OKAY.

WE DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT OR WE DON'T WANNA PAY FOR IT.

WE UNDERSTAND WHEN COAL TRAIN'S REALLY IMPROVED LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE.

THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

IT'S HAPPENED EVERYWHERE IN TOWN THAT THAT'S OCCURRED.

SO, SO WE JUST ASK A VARIANCE FOR OUR PROJECT AS IT IS, UH, THAT YOU APPROVE THE VARIANCE AND THEN YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WHEN YOU IMPROVE.

THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR CALL.

NOT OURS.

WE DON'T OWN THE ROAD.

SO WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION? DID SOMEONE MAKE THE MOTION YET? WELL, WE NEED TO, OKAY.

I MOVED ON.

I MOVED THAT WE APPROVED THE VARIANCE FOR THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY THAT DOES NOT MEET THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS FROM THE INTERSECTION.

SECOND WHAT? SO I'M JUST IN THE INTERIM, YOU KNOW, I ROAD AS IS.

, YOU CONSTRUCT THIS DRIVEWAY.

I GUESS WHAT PREVENTS SOMEBODY FROM TURNING LEFT INTO THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CAUSE CAUSE IT'S, UH, NOTHING.

I MEAN, I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU.

NOTHING DOES EXCEPT, AND NOTHING KEEPS SOMEONE FROM TRYING TO TURN LEFT OUT OF IT.

THERE ARE TIMES A DAY WHEN THAT CAN BE DONE.

THERE ARE OTHER TIMES THAT IT IS NOT SMART TO DO THAT.

I AGREE.

BUT THAT'S, AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, THAT WOULD BE OUR REQUEST.

PUBLIC ACCESS AND WE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PUT A SIGN UP.

BUT I, I'M JUST TALKING IF SOMEBODY AROUND OR TURNING LEFT AND, AND WE HAVE NO, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S THE DISTANCE TO THE STOP LIGHT OF SOMEBODY TURNING TO THAT INTERSECTION IMMEDIATELY TURNING TO TURN LEFT.

NOW YOU'RE CUTTING ACROSS MY TRAFFIC.

I'M JUST THINKING FROM A SEAT.

I UNDERSTAND OUR WORKERS AND, AND THE JOHNSON'S HAVE BEEN USING THAT PRETTY MUCH THAT DRIVE LOCATION FOR 60 YEARS.

SO NOW IT'S NOT HEAVILY TRAVELED, BUT THIS ENTRANCE IS NOT GONNA BE ABLE USED EITHER.

ARE YOU WILLING TO GATE IT? YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GATE IT.

IT'S GONNA BE GATE I, WE ARE GONNA GATED, I WOULD SAY GATE IT AND THEN UNTIL WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO COAL TRAIN THAT WE PUT A, WELL, I THINK YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT GATED ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S THE SERVICE.

WELL, EVEN IF YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ON COAL TRAIN MM-HMM.

, IT'S STILL GONNA, WE'RE STILL GONNA GATE.

WE DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO THINK THAT'S, SO MAYBE WE NEED TO SAY THIS EXPERIENCE WITH A GATE.

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WOULD THAT WORK, MR. MURDOCH? YES.

WE NEED TO SPECIFY THE GATE.

AND THEN A NO LEFT TURN SIGN.

I'M IN MY MOTION TO BE VARIANCE FOR THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY THAT DOES NOT MEET SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS FROM THE INTERSECTION.

PROVIDED THERE IS A GATE AT ALL TIMES AND A NO LEFT TURN SIGN AND A NO LEFT.

WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT A NO LEFT SIGN, BUT I'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANNA MAKE A LEFT TURN AND A NO LEFT.

THERE'S NO TRAFFIC GOING.

THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE LEFT TURN.

WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT UP A NO LEFT TURN.

YOU'VE HEARD THE AMENDED MOTION.

SHALL WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION? BUT I'LL SECOND THAT COUNSEL.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THAT VARIANCE NUMBER THREE IS PASSED.

NUMBER FOUR.

I THINK, DID WE ALREADY TALK ABOUT THAT? DIDN'T SHE SAY WE WERE ALREADY GONNA DO THAT? UH, WHAT WE WOULD, AND I, I GUESS THE WORD SITE TRIANGLE IS WHAT CONFUSED ME.

, UH, WE WOULD AGREE TO GIVE THE CITY WHATEVER THEY NEED BY WAY OF THAT TRIANGLE.

WELL, I THINK WE'RE ON FOUR.

WE'RE ON FOUR SITE TRIANGLES.

OH, I'M SORRY.

WE'RE ON FOUR.

GET WE'RE ON PAGE HERE.

WE'RE ON, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SO IS THE 70 FOOT AND THEN THE 35.

35 50 DRAINAGE.

I THINK I HEARD YOU GUYS SAID THAT WAS OKAY.

BUT YOU JUST MOVED THE STATUE BACK A LITTLE BIT, SO THAT'S FINE TO TALK TO MY ENGINEERS JUST A MINUTE OR THEY NEED TO TALK TO YOU.

THAT'S THIS ONE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A DUPLICATION AS FAR AS A DISCUSSION ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY THE SITE TRIANGLE'S INCLUDED ON FOUR AND FIVE, BUT THE VARIANCE ITEM NUMBER FIVE SPECIFICALLY REFERENCES THE SITE TRIANGLE IN THE TITLE.

AND THAT'S THE ONE YOU SAID WE'RE ELIMINATING.

RIGHT? NUMBER FIVE, IT'S SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE TO SITE TRIANGLE IN THE TITLE.

AND WE ARE GOOD WITH ELIMINATING THAT ONE.

NUMBER FOUR TALKS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY GOING UP COLD TRAIN.

THAT'S WHERE WE'D LIKE THE 50 FOOT, 70 FOOT TO A POINT, AND THEN 50 FOOT THE REST OF THE WAY.

AND WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS WE WANT 70 FOOT, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULDN'T MATCH THE SI, THE, THE, THE FENCE OR WHATEVER.

BUT THAT WAY WE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO WIDEN AT THAT SPACE IF WE NEEDED TO IN THE FUTURE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED THAT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT WIDENING.

IS THAT CORRECT? WITH THE MEDIANS IN THERE AND ALL THAT.

BUT IF WE DID 70 THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S 50 UP THERE, RIGHT? WHERE THE IN LINE WITH THE WICK, UH, FENCE LINE.

WELL, THAT'S WHERE THE FENCE LINE IS, IS I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE THE EASEMENT IS, IS THAT, THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE PUBLIC DRIVEWAY IS CURRENTLY.

AND IF YOU WERE TO GO GET ANY MORE, THERE'S POOLS BACK THERE.

I MEAN THERE'S ANYTHING NORTH OF, IN HUNTINGWOOD YOU'D HAVE TO DO A LOT MORE WORK.

UH, AND AS WE MENTIONED, AND ANY TIME YOU NEED THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU CAN COME AND TAKE IT FROM THE PARK.

MR. LAWRENCE, HE WON'T SAY SOMETHING.

I CAN TELL.

PLEASE SAY IT.

WELL REALLY WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO HAVE 70 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY OR STREET.

WE CAN, WE CAN GO WITH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE.

WE CAN GO WITH DRAINAGE AND UTILITIES EASEMENT 70 FEET OFF OF COLTRAIN AND 70 FEET OFF OF, UH, SECOND STREET.

AND THEN THE, A LITTLE TRIANGLE AT THE INTERSECTION AS WE'VE DESCRIBED HERE.

SO WE'RE OKAY ON THE TRIANGLE? YEP.

THEY DON'T NEED THAT VARIANCE.

AND SO IF WE CAN GET YOU ALL TO AGREE TO 70, WE DON'T NEED THAT ONE EITHER.

IS THAT RIGHT? OR DO WE STILL NEED A VARIANCE? WE JUST NEED NO, THE CODE ACTUALLY IS MORE THAN 70.

OH, OKAY.

SO WE NEED THE VARIANCE TO GO 70, YOU'LL AGREED.

70 ON SECOND WE WILL.

AND COL TRAIN COAL TRAIN BECOMES, THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU GO 70 NORTH OF OUR PROPERTY LINE, OUR NORTH PROPERTY LINE, YOU HIT WICK.

I THINK WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY.

THAT'S FINE.

WE'RE JUST TALKING, WE'RE JUST TALKING YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY SOUTH TO THE INTERSECTION.

SO, BUT IF YOU NEED 70 TO WIDEN IN THE FUTURE, AREN'T YOU GONNA NEED 70 ALL THE WAY UP COLD TRACK? NOT WITH THE, THE MEDIANS WON'T WE'LL BE DONE.

CORRECT? YEAH.

WE'LL ONLY GO TO A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN YOU CAN COME IN SOME, OKAY, SO THAT WAS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

WHAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IS THE 74 YOUR PROPERTY.

AND THEN IT STOPS WHEN IT HITS THE HUNT WICK PROPERTY.

THAT'S NOT EVEN, THAT'S, WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

SO MY, MY, MY MIND ALWAYS HAD THAT IT WAS 70 NO, ALL THE WAY UP.

IT'S, IT'S ONLY THAT'S SEVEN 40 YOUR PROPERTY.

AND IT SAYS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT.

CORRECT? YES.

70 35.

35 50.

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70.

THE, THE ONLY REASON, THE REASON WE'RE REQUESTING THIS VARIANCE IS WE WANNA LINE UP THE FENCE WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THAT HAL'S TRYING TO SAVE IN THAT AREA.

SO IF WE GO TO, UH, 70 FEET, HE HAS TO PUSH THE FENCE BACK TO 70 FEET.

HE CAN'T BE ON THE 50 FOOT LINE, AND THEN HE HAS TO REMOVE A BUNCH OF TREES.

AND THAT'S WHAT HE IS, THAT'S WHAT HE IS AIMING FOR.

UH, WE UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY NEEDED FOR, UH, A LEFT TURN LANE INTO, UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE THERE.

AND AGAIN, THAT COULD BE OBTAINED AT ANY TIME WHEN I STARTED.

I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE CITY, SO, WELL, WE'RE, IT'S NOT PART OF THE CITY.

NO, IT'S NOT PART OF THE CITY.

WELL, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC TRUST AND YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU GOT TWO MEMBERS OF YOUR COUNCIL THAT SIT ON IT, AND IF YOU WANT IT, YOU'RE GONNA GET IT.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE BOTTOM LINE.

SO WHEN WE WIDEN COLTRANE, THERE ARE SOME CULVERTS THAT ARE NORTH OF THIS BOX STRUCTURE.

MAIN BOX STRUCTURE.

THERE ARE CULVERTS THAT GO INTO THE ROAD IN ORDER TO WIDEN THE ROAD.

WE NEED TO EXTEND THOSE CULVERTS.

WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ANGLE OF THEM.

WE NEED 70 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY TO DO THE STREET TO DO IT.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NEEDED.

I MEAN, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY WHEN WE GET TO SIX, EVENTUALLY DO THIS ROAD, THEY'RE GONNA NEED IT ANYWAY.

OR ELSE THE ROAD CAN'T BE FIXED.

LET ME TRY, WHAT IF, IF WE DO 50 AND WE GIVE YOU AN EASEMENT FOR ANOTHER 20, BUT YOU LET US BUILD OUR FENCE AND LEAVE OUR TREES UNTIL THE CITY ACTUALLY DETERMINES WHAT THEY NEED AND WANT TO DO.

AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THE, AND HOW, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU THE EASEMENT, THE EXTRA 20 FEET AS AN EASEMENT.

SO IF AND WHEN YOU NEED IT, YOU'VE GOT IT.

BUT YOU LET US LEAVE THE TREES FOR THE TIME BEING THERE, AND YOU LET US BUILD OUR FENCE TO LINE UP THE HUNT WICKS.

AND THEN IF YOU ACTUALLY NEED THAT 20 FEET IN THE FUTURE TO DO A LANE OR WHATEVER, THEN OUR FENCE HAS TO GET MOVED.

AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, MR. LAWRENCE? WELL, PEOPLE HAVE FENCE ENCROACHMENTS ON OUR RIGHT WAY ALL THE TIME.

UM, DO WE WANT TO APPROVE THAT? UH, THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION.

I MISSED THAT DISCUSSION.

I'M SORRY.

SO I FALL, GO AHEAD, SIR.

IF WE ALLOW, PUT A FENCE THERE AND WHATEVER YEARS LATER WE COME TO GO WIDEN THE ROAD AND WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE FENCE, YOU'RE GONNA PAY TO, TO REINSTALL THAT FENCE.

SUPPOSEDLY WILL.

AT THAT POINT.

I DON'T WANNA, IF WE ALREADY HAD A FENCE THERE, WHICH THERE WAS, YOU KNOW THAT, I MEAN, STEVE AND I WENT THROUGH THAT RACIALLY ON ONE OF MY HOUSES AND, AND THEY SAID HE DID A BIG WIDENING AND WATER LINE AND THEY REPLACED MY FENCE WITH A MUCH NICER FENCE THAN I APPRECIATE .

BUT I, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE DON'T, I DON'T REPLACE THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU OKAY WITH THAT HALAL? IF WE, I THINK YEAH.

IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, THAT'S NOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.

SO WE WILL GIVE YOU A 20.

YOU GIVE US GRAND, THE FENCE 50.

WE'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER 20 EASEMENT FOR ANOTHER 20.

ISN'T IT JUST 70? IT'S YES.

72.

SO THAT'S RIGHT.

50 AND 2070.

WHY? LET ME ASK YOU QUESTIONS, STEVE.

IS, CAN WE DO A 70 FOOT RIGHT OF AWAY AND GRANT THEM A, A RIGHT OF WAY ENCROACHMENT FOR THE 20 FEET? WE DON'T CARE WHAT IT'S CALLED AS LONG AS I JUST WANT TO SAVE OUR, THEY'RE GONNA DEDICATE AT NO COST TO THE CITY, RIGHT? YEAH.

I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.

ARE YOU, LET ME ASK YOU, ARE YOU WILLING TO DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY AT NO COST OF THE CITY? WE WOULD WAIVE OUR VARIANCE REQUEST.

GIVE YOU, UH, EASEMENT OR RIGHT.

IF YOU CAN HAVE AN ENC 70 FEET WITH THE RIGHT FOR US TO ENCROACH ON IT.

UNTIL YOU DECIDE YOU REALLY NEED THE EXTRA CREDIT.

AND THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE A VARIANCE, BUT WOULD BE PART OF THE MEMBER, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS IN THE WORKS? NO, IT STILL REQUIRES A VARIANCE BECAUSE WE ONLY BE ASKING FOR MORE THAN 70 FEET.

SO WE WILL GIVE YOU AN EASEMENT, A RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT FOR 70 FEET.

UH, AND YOU WILL ALLOW US TO ENCROACH ON IT UNTIL THE TIME OF ROAD IS CONSTRUCTED OR NECESSARY.

AND IF JUST CLARIFYING, IF WE, IF THE FENCE NEEDS TO MOVE, YEAH.

IT'LL MOVE IS AT THE COST OF THE OWNER.

A VARIANCE WITH THE APPLICANT DEDICATING A 70 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ON BOTH EAST SECOND STREET AND COLTRANE ROAD WITH THE APPLICANT BEING PERMITTED TO ENCROACH IN THE 70 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ON COLTRANE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ANY ENCROACHMENT IS REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED BY THE CITY.

HOW DO YOU WORD THAT ? WE NEED, WE NEED TO SOMEONE, TWO LAWYERS DOWN THAT WAY.

I THINK.

I DON'T HAVE A MOTION.

THERE'S NOT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR YET.

SO.

OH.

LOOKING FOR A MOTION WITH THE REVISED WELL MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE

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RESPONSIBILITY TO REMOVE ANY ENCROACHMENT WILL BE AT THE COST OF THE APPLICANT.

SPECIFICALLY THE L A L C, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE DEPARTMENT.

TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH.

, THAT'S A MOTION.

AND I'LL HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND IT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNSEL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

YOU'RE WITHDRAWING.

NUMBER FIVE.

NUMBER.

WE ARE WITHDRAWING NUMBER FIVE, SIR.

I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY HERE, BECAUSE THE EASEMENT REQUEST, THE VARIANCE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IS BOTH FOR SECOND STREET AND FOR COAL TRAIN.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOUR, YOUR MOTION IS COVERING BOTH COAL TRAIN AND SECOND STREET MM-HMM.

BECAUSE IT IS.

IT IS.

YES, IT IS.

SO THERE MIGHT BE A QUITE A BIT OF WORK THAT'S BUILT ALONG SECOND STREET.

THAT'S NOT A FENCE THAT HAS TO BE MOVED.

IF THAT IN FACT IS ALLOWED, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO ENCROACH ON THAT EASEMENT.

THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO ENCROACH WITH THE FENCE.

THE ONLY ENCROACH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AUTHORIZING IS ON, UH, RY.

SO THE SECOND STREET, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT? NO.

THAT WAS, UH, VARIANCE NUMBER FOUR.

NUMBER FIVE IS NUMBER FIVE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ELIMINATED AND WITHDRAWN, WITHDRAWING BY THE PPLICANT.

SO DO WE NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO.

I NOW FIVE IS GONE.

NU VARIOUS NUMBER SIX.

THIS IS THE BIGGIE.

, YOU ANSWER QUESTION I ROAD.

WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGIE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT TONIGHT.

AND THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE ASKING THE, THE CITY BEAR THAT COST WHEN IT'S TIME TO DO IT, MOTION COUNCIL WOULD LIKE YOU DO VARIANCE NUMBER SIX.

I GUESS YOU CONSIDER IT A CON AN INCENTIVE TO DO THE DEAL.

WE LIKE THE WORD INCENTIVE.

I WILL MOVE THAT.

UM, WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE REQUEST TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENT FOR ANY ROAD WIDENING ON COAL TRAIN ROAD IN EAST SECOND STREET.

BECAUSE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

, .

HAVE A SECOND.

NO.

CAN YOU RESTATE THAT MOTION PLEASE? MR. CITY MANAGER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OH, FINISH YOUR MOTION.

I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

ULTIMATELY IT'S GONNA BE FOR RANDALL.

I WANNA MAKE CLARIFICATION, BUT FINISH YOUR MOTION.

I JUST FEEL LIKE, YEAH, SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVED A VARIANCE REQUEST TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR ANY ROAD WIDENING ON COAL TRAIN ROAD IN EAST SECOND STREET TO BE PAID BY THE APPLICANT.

BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

RIGHT? IS THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES.

ANYBODY WANNA PANEL? CAN YOU PUT THE, THE SITE PLAN OF ORDER, THAT FREE PICTURE YOU HAD UP THERE WITH THE WHOLE SITE RIGHT THERE.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHERE ON SECOND STREET, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE RESTAURANT PARCELS.

IT'S JUST THAT FRONT.

NO, WE'RE NOT JUST WANNA BE THE RESTAURANT.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

SO THIS IS JUST ON COLING.

WELL, THERE'S A LITTLE SECTION ON SECOND STREET.

OH, UH, UH, FROM THE, UH, COAL TRAIN INTERSECTION TO WHERE? KIND OF WHERE THE PARK, THE GREENS.

RIGHT IN THERE.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

OH, MR. MANAGER, I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

COUNCILWOMAN MUGS MOTION ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATES IMPROVEMENTS TO COAL TRAIN BY THE APPLICANT.

SO THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEAR UNCOMMON GROUND ARE GONNA NEED SOME RELIEF FROM THE THOUSANDS OF VISITORS AS THEY TRAVEL DOWN ROUTE 66.

AND IT'S NOW INCUMBENT UPON THE CITY TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

IF WE GRANTED, IF WE GRANTED,

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WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THAT DONE.

WE'VE GOTTA GET THAT ROAD FIXED.

DO WE NOT THINK SECOND IS WIDE ENOUGH AS IT IS? WELL, NO, NO, NO, NO.

THE COAL TRAIN'S GOT TO GET FIXED.

THAT'S GOTTA GET FIXED IN THREE YEARS WEATHER THING.

HOLD ON.

PEOPLE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO A MM-HMM.

SPEAKING OUT LIKE THAT.

NO.

THE CORRECT, BUT I DON'T KNOW, UNLESS YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA RECOMMEND FOR STAFF TO MOVE IT UP OR, WELL, IT WAS LIKE THIS.

WELL, WE, SO WE HAD OTHER, UH, OTHER ROADS IN THE CITY THAT NEEDED TO GET, CAN SOMEBODY SECOND IT SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT? IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO? OR DO WE NEED I'LL SECOND COUNCILWOMAN MUG'S MOTION.

SORRY.

SO NOW WE CAN OFFICIALLY GO INTO, INTO SESSION.

POINT STATUTE OF THE HORSES.

SO NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.

SO THERE'S BEEN OTHER ROADS THAT WE'VE HAD HERE, UH, WHERE WE'VE DONE TEMPORARY FIXES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A TEMPORARY FIX HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAS EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S A TEMPORARY FIX.

SO THE THING IS, IS THAT HAVE STAFF LOOK AT WHAT IS POSSIBLE THERE.

UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME TEMPORARY FIXES THAT IT MM-HMM.

THAT ARE FOR A LONG TIME.

AND ON SOME, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

MY, MY QUESTION IS THIS, I THINK AS A CITY CITIZENS, WHEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY WILL INVEST IN QUALITY OF LIFE, IF, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT COSTS DON'T INCREASE AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT AND WE CAN HAVE, UH, CONVERSATION ABOUT WE, CAN WE IMPROVE THE PROJECT AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT FUNDING? OR DOES COUNCIL FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING FIRST? I GUESS THAT'S THE MAIN, I THE ONLY THING WE'LL BE ABLE TO, IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT FUNDING, WE CAN TALK ABOUT BUCKETS, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO TALK ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS MOVE UP OR DOWN OR LEFT OR RIGHT.

NOT TODAY.

DO IT HAVE TO EITHER COME OUT OF CIP P OR OU HOSPITAL? I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE OUT THERE AND I MEAN, HERE'S, SO HERE'S WHERE, I MEAN, WE ARE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE BLESSING OF THIS AMAZING GIFT, RIGHT? TO OUR CITY, TO OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S GONNA BE AN INCREDIBLE PROJECT.

UM, AND WE HAVE A, AS WE SAID IN THE WORKSHOP TODAY, 120 MILLION WORTH OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS WITH 40 MILLION TO PAY FOR 'EM.

SO WE'VE GOT AN 80 MILLION SHORTFALL.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING IS, UM, WE THINK A LOT OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE GOT FUNDS FOR ARE LESS IMPORTANT THAN THIS PROJECT.

UM, OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY MIGHT DISAGREE AND THINK OTHER PROJECTS ARE MORE IMPORTANT.

BUT WHERE I'M SITTING IS WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY A 60 MILLION GIFT BEING MADE TO THE CITY.

AND THE COST FOR THE CITY IS WE GOTTA FIX THIS ROAD FASTER THAN SOME OTHER PROJECTS.

AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO BE AND A REALLY HARD PLACE TO BE.

AND I KIND OF FEEL LIKE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIX THE ROAD.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, AT LEAST THE RESIDENTS AROUND THAT AREA ARE SAYING AND TELLING US THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT I'M SITTING HERE ALSO THINKING OF THE OTHER, UH, 90,000 PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN EDMOND AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA FEEL ABOUT US REPRIORITIZING.

AND SO THESE ARE THE THOUGHTS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

BUT I MEAN, I I, THE REASON I MADE THE MOTION AND I'M NAUSEOUS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS A REALLY DIFFICULT POSITION TO BE IN.

UM, AND WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY TO FIX THE ROAD CUZ WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COST YET, AND WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

UM, SO DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? YEAH.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S FEELING THE SAME WAY, SO I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS THE ROAD.

I DON'T WANT TO, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, I DON'T WANT TO APPEAR UNSUPPORTIVE OR UNGRATEFUL BECAUSE THIS IS AN TRULY AMAZING PROJECT.

BY THE OTHER TOKEN, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO THINK WE'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT.

I MEAN, ONE THING IS HOW MANY PIECES OF ART HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN FOR AND THE CITY IS, UM, DOING UP TO 30, $30,000 PER PIECE.

RIGHT? AND $180,000 FOR THE TRADEMARK STATUTE, THE, THE FOCAL

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AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY, ALL THE PEOPLE SUPPORTING THIS PARK UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE COUNCIL OR THE STAFF TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, AND NOT SUPPORTING IT.

BUT THESE ARE THE KINDS OF DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT WE'RE FACED WITH.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT.

THEY, IT IS A DIFFICULT DECISION AND I, I'VE BEEN IN YOUR PLACE, I'M GLAD I'M NOT IN YOUR PLACE ANYMORE, BUT, UH, BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE KIND OF GOOD PROBLEMS IN SOME SENSE.

WELL, MARY LAMB USED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, D DEVELOPMENT, WHAT D IN DEVELOPMENT DRIVE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

UH, THE OTHER 90,000 PEOPLE YOU ADDRESSED COUNCIL MEMBER MUG, UH, MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT'S IN THE WORKS OR ISN'T IN THE WORKS FOR THE ROAD, QUITE FRANKLY.

WELL, OR THEY MAY NOT TRAVEL THAT AREA OR, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZE.

I MEAN THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS.

IS TO THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, MAKE THESE DECISIONS WHERE SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE UPSET WITH US NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.

SO, I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE OVERALL.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY STANCE IS THAT I DO THINK, CALL IT AN INCENTIVE, CALL IT THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION.

BUT IF WE WANT TO RECEIVE THIS HUGE GIFT AND BLESSING, THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY TO FIX THE ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT MEANS IT'S WIDENED.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT MEANS JUST LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES, CUZ WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA HAVE THE TRAFFIC THAT A, UM, UH, ANOTHER HUNT WICK WOULD HAVE.

OR, UM, A BRYANT SQUARE CAN BE, OR BRYANT SQUARE SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I DO THINK IT'S A GREAT USE FOR THE PROPERTY.

IT'S A BLESSING.

AND WE, I DON'T, YEAH.

AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO FIX THE ROAD AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WILL COST OR WHERE WE WILL FIND THE MONEY.

AND THAT'S THE THING.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION FOR THE ROAD IS.

WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE, BUT WE HAVE, OUR ENGINEERING STAFF HAS NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS YET.

SO I THINK THEY NEED, THEY, EVEN IF WE VOTE TO DO IT RIGHT, THIS, THEY HAVE TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH SOME, SO SOME SOLUTIONS TALKING WITH THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE SOME ADDITIONAL TWEAKING, I DON'T KNOW.

AND WITH THEIR ENGINEERS.

BECAUSE WHAT I SEE WITH OUR ENGINEERS, WE'VE DONE, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE GOT TEMPS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE PUTTING IN ANOTHER TAIL THAT, UH, IS ALLOWING TRAFFIC TO FLOW THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO WE, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

THIS IS AN IDEA.

FLOATING IT AND STEVE CAN IS IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO, I GOTTA PUT MY GLASSES BACK ON IT, PROVE THE VARIANCE OF THE DEVELOPER BUILDING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THAT, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU AT THIS POINT, NOT BUYING STAFF BY IDENTIFYING THE DOLLARS TONIGHT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

ALLOW US TIME ABSOLUTELY.

TO, TO LOOK INTO THAT WORK WITH THE TEAM AND ADDRESS THAT IN THE MOU.

UM, CUZ IT MAY BE TEMPORARY IMPROVEMENTS GETS US FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO PLACE US UNDER ANY, NOT ONLY A FINANCIAL, BUT A TIME COMMITMENT THAT'S UNREALISTIC.

I MEAN, WE COULD SAY WE COULD DO IT TOMORROW AND WE CAN'T FIND SINGLEHEAD TO DO WHATEVER, OR WE CAN'T FIND WHATEVER.

UM, AT THE VERY LEAST THOUGH, WE WOULD REQUEST STRONGLY THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPER AGREES TO DEDICATE AT NO COST ANY AND ALL EASEMENTS RIGHT AWAY NECESSARY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AS PART OF THIS.

CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD THE STREET AND THEN HAVE TO GO GET INTO DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER I BUY IT OR NOT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WHAT LOCK IT IN TONIGHT AND SAY, HERE'S THE TRADE OFF YOU DEDICATE AT NO COST TO THE CITY.

THE CITY'S GONNA AGREE TO DO, WHETHER IT BE INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS OR FULL IMPROVEMENTS AT SOME FUTURE DATE.

AND I THINK WE'VE AGREED TO GIVE YOU THE 70 THAT MM-HMM.

YOU REQUESTED.

IN THE, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT'S AT NO COST TO THE CITY.

I THINK THAT I NEVER INTENDED EVER TO SELL ANYTHING TO THE CITY.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, I NEVER HEARD THAT FULL AGREEMENT.

I HEARD.

WELL, TONIGHT WE NEED TO LOCK THAT IN AND SAY IF THE CITY'S GONNA, IT'S ON THE RECORDING NOW.

WE, WE HAVE NEVER INTENDED NOT TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEEDED.

THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PLAN.

BUT YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THEN WE AGREE THAT NO COST.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR TRUTH.

TOO, UM, UH, MY INTENTION WAS NOT TO, BUT THAT BY GRANTING THIS EASEMENT, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS TAKING ON THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE AS IT'S DETERMINED, BUT NOT DETERMINE THAT TONIGHT WE CAN'T YEAH.

THAT'S, THAT IS CORRECT.

NOW, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR

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THE FUNDING NOR THE TIMING OR THE TIMING NOR THE THING OR THE YEAH.

HAND UP.

NOW I WILL SAY JUST THE, IN THE, THE CURRENT PRO PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON THERE AT SECOND STREET WILL GREATLY IMPROVE THE ROAD CONDITION TODAY ODO THAT ODOT IS DOING.

WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I MEAN I REALLY, I RECOGNIZE THE POSITION THAT YOU'RE IN AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH REGARD.

COULD YOU COME UP TO THE MIC, SIR? THE GREAT GIFT, THE GREAT GIFT THAT'S BEEN GIVEN HERE.

BUT TO ME IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A SOLUTION HERE WITH REGARD TO A MOTION THAT SAYS, WELL, MAYBE WE WILL TALK ABOUT WIDENING IT OR MAYBE WE'LL DO IT SOME OTHER TIME, OR WE'RE NOT GONNA COMMIT TO DOLLARS TO IT.

AND I RECOGNIZE MAYBE YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REALLY COMMIT TO ANYTHING.

WHAT, WHAT WE ARE COM WE'RE WE'RE COMMITTING THAT THE APPLICANT GETS THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVED WITHOUT THE REQUIREMENT TO PAY FOR THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD.

AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S IT.

CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT AND WHEN AND HOW THE TRAFFIC GETS ADDRESSED.

AND I KNOW THAT MAY NOT MAKE YOU ALL FEEL WARM AND FUZZY, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO.

WELL I THINK WE'RE TRADING OFF A, A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT SUGGESTS THAT IT'S THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO DO THE ROAD WORK OR TO TO PAY TO NOT DO IT.

BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE DOING A STUDY REALLY ASSURES ANYBODY THAT THIS IS EVER GONNA HAPPEN.

I MEAN, WE MIGHT BE TALKING FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND COAL TRAIN AND THERE'LL BE A BACKUP THERE.

I MEAN IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE A MUCH STRONGER COMMITMENT TO, UH, WHAT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING AS AN ALTERNATE TO A PAVED ROAD.

IT'S NOT AN ALTERNATE.

WELL, I'LL LET SOMEONE ELSE RESPOND.

I TALKED TO LAW, IT'S AN ALTERNATE TO, TO, TO DO IT SOMETIME LATER.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO, I CALL IT A CONTINGENT LIABILITY, IS PUT THANK YOU.

UM, THOSE RE REQUIREMENTS ON THIS COUNCIL OR MAYBE IN ANOTHER COUNCIL.

SO WE, WE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET AS CLOSE TO THE LINE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO, TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE, THAT IS TRANSFERRING FROM THE APPLICANT TO US, TO THE CITY.

THE RESPONSIBILITY, THE RESPONSIBILITY STAFF IS GOING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE SO GOOD AT THAT.

AND THAT'S, AND BASICALLY THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ON OUR OTHER TEMPORARIES MM-HMM.

THAT WE, WE GET, WE TURN IT OVER TO STAFF, THEY COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

WELL, DOES IT, DOES IT MEAN THAT THE MOTION CAN INCLUDE A, A REQUIREMENT THAT THE STAFF STUDY THIS AND REPORT BACK TO YOU WITH, WITH FINDINGS? THEY THEY DO THAT EVERY DAY.

THEY DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

YEAH, WE CAN, I MEAN WE CAN HAVE THAT.

I MEAN, BUT WE'RE JUST DO IT AND THEY DO IT.

THEY'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A FUNDING SOURCE MM-HMM.

AND THEY HAVE TO COME TO US FOR THAT MOTION IN A SECOND.

WE NEED A MOTION WHAT THE MOTION IS.

SO WE'RE LEAVING THE WORDING AS IT IS NUMBER SIX.

DO WE NEED TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE INTO NUMBER SIX? UM, THE ONLY THING I ADDED IT WAS THAT IT, UH, I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT NOT AT THE, THAT THE, IT WOULD NOT BE THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY OR SOMETHING.

UM, AND ANY NECESSARY EASEMENTS WOULD BE DEDICATED AT NO COST.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

NECESSARILY SECOND IT, THERE WE GO.

YOU GOT THAT .

BOY, I'M FAST.

I DIDN'T EVEN GOLF FOR A VOTE.

GOLF FOR A BUBBLE .

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THERE WE, WE'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE OF 64 FEET.

WE'VE ADDED THAT BECAUSE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENT FOR A WIDER ENTRANCE LANE.

AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

AND WE'LL PUT IN THE PEDESTRIAN AND WE'LL PUT IN THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

SO THE STAFF COULD SUPPORT IT.

THE APPLICATION, IF THE APPLICANT SUBMITS APPROVAL, PLANS FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY CROSSING THE DRIVEWAY APPROVAL SHOULD BE INSTALLED AT NO COST TO THE CITY.

WE AGREED ALL THAT MM-HMM.

, SO, OKAY.

AT 64 FEET.

SO WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT.

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SO 64 FEET.

BECAUSE THE FIRE CODE, RIGHT? YES.

WE DID A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE VARIANCE TO ALLOW DRIVEWAY WIDTH FROM 64 FEET ONTO COAL TRAIN, SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTING THE APPROVABLE PLANS FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFEWAY CROSSING THE DRIVEWAY.

OKAY, I'LL, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

STACEY, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM STACEY.

TITLE SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THAT ITEM PASSED.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS VARIANCE FOR THE BIRD NEST TOWER FROM 35 FEET TO BUIL.

WELL I THINK BUILDING ALREADY SAID THAT WAS THERE, IT'S STILL GONNA EXCEED 50 FEET.

IT'S THE PLATFORM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLATFORM.

THE BIRD NEST CAN ACTUALLY WILL GO UP HIGHER PERCHED AND I THINK STAFF SAID 35, 37, IT DOESN'T MATTER, TWO FEET DOESN'T MATTER.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO WE CAN MAKE THIS ONE AT 37 FOR THE PLATFORM.

SO IN, IN THE, THE REPORT HERE, UM, WE'VE GOT THE CONCERT SHELL INCLUDED.

IT'S GOT SOME, IT'S THE TALL GRASS PARTS THAT GO UP ABOVE THE, THE TOP.

THE, THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT EXCEED 35 FEET.

SO HOW TALL IS THE CONCERT? SHELL AND HOW TALL IS THE BIRD'S NEST TOWER AT ITS HIGHEST POINT? IT'S ABOUT 52 OR 54 ON THE BIRD NEST.

BUT THAT'S THOSE BRANCHES THAT GO UP.

UH, AND I'M NOT SURE, DO YOU KNOW WHO 32, 33? YEAH.

SOMETHING I THINK 33 ON THE STAGE.

AND THEN THERE'S THE TALL GRASS ELEMENTS AT THE BACK OF IT THAT GO UP.

I MEAN MR. MURDOCH, DO WE NEED TO, IN THE GRANTING OF THIS VARIANCE, SAY, I MEAN WHAT HEIGHT WE'RE GRANTING? THE THE, IS IT SOMETHING LIKE THE OCCUPATIONAL, UH, PART OF THE, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S THIS BIG, BUT IT'S ONLY GONNA BE THE POTENTIAL TO BE OCCUPIED IS WELL THE, WELL, BUT IT'S BOTH DIRECTIONS.

I MEAN, PEOPLE LOOKING AT IT I THINK IS PART OF THE ORDINANCE OR THE CODE REQUIREMENT TO NOT BE OVER A CERTAIN HEIGHT TOO.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

WELL THE CODE SAYS THAT A BUILDING SHALL NOT EXCEED 35 FEET IN RIGHT HEIGHT.

PROVIDED THAT THE PLATFORM OF THE BIRD'S NEST DOES NOT EXCEED 37 FEET.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT IT A ROOF OF A BUILDING CUZ WE GOT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STRUCTURE HERE.

YEAH, YEAH.

WE, SO BUT YOU HAVE IN YOUR, IN YOUR ON PAGE 2 46 MM-HMM.

, YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR, FOR DETERMINING THE VARIANCE.

AND WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT THOSE AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM SOME MAYBE MORE THAN WE HAD OTHERS.

SO IS THE FINDING THAT THE PARTICULAR PIECE OR THE BUILDING OR THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD, WHICH IS THE, THE BIRD'S NEST WITH THE PLATFORM AND THE SHELL WITH THE TALL GRASS.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT MEET THE OVERALL INTENT OF THE COAT MURRAY? WELL YOU CAN SEE'S NOT A BUILDING TALL GRASS RIGHT HERE.

AND IT'S, AND I THINK THOSE ARE IN PROPER PROPORTIONS OF THE PEOPLE ON THE STAGE.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY NOT MORE THAN 35 EVEN TO THE ROOF.

BUT THOSE TALL GRASS STRUCTURES AT THE BACK OF IT DO GO UP.

LIKE THE BURDEN IS THINGS GO UP.

SO, SO I MEAN I, AND AT THAT LOCATION, I DUNNO WHAT DIFFERENCE, THE SPIRIT OF IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE ROOF AND THE OCCUPIED OCCUPIABLE SPACE ARE NOT OVER THE 35 FEET OR SLIGHTLY OVER THE 35 FEET IN THE BIRD'S NEST TOWER.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC IN THE VARIANCE SO THAT THE GRASS DOESN'T END UP BEING A HUNDRED FEET TALL.

UM, DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T HAVE RAN HERE TONIGHT TO NEEDS THE DESIGNER ON THIS AND I I HONESTLY NEVER THOUGHT THAT WOULD, I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE LOOKING AT IT WOULD BE LIKE, WHY ARE WE SEEING THAT METAL UP THIS SIDE? WELL WHAT IF WE SAY NOT TO EXCEED 50 FEET BECAUSE THIS THING'S DOWN 30 FEET FROM, IT'S NOT THE SHELL, IT'S THE GRASS BEHIND WHICH ARE MM-HMM .

I MEAN THE PERSPECTIVE HERE IS A LOT DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE WELL OVER 50 FEET.

ARE THEY? YEAH.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY ARE, RANDY? I THINK IF YOU STAYED UNDER 65 FEET YOU WOULD PROBABLY OKAY.

IF WE COULD HAVE A VARIANCE FOR THE GRASS ELEMENTS NOT TO EXCEED 65 FEET, THAT WOULD SUFFICE AND OKAY.

AND THE BIRD'S NEST SHALL THAT THE PLATFORM TO BE 30, 37.

SEVEN.

SO LET YOU WANT ME TO GIVE THIS A TRY? YEAH, GO FOR IT.

UM, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE A VARIANCE FOR THE BIRD'S NEST TOWER AND CONCERT SHELL NOT TO EXCEED A TOTAL HEIGHT OF 65 FEET,

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AND THEN THE GRASS.

DID YOU WANNA STICK THAT GRASS IN THERE? WELL THAT'S THE BOTH STRUCTURES.

WITH THE GRASS WON'T EXCEED 65 FEET.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYONE OCCUPYING THE BIRD'S NEST ABOVE 37 FEET OR THE PLATFORM WILL NOT EXCEED 37 FEET.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT SOUND GOOD TO STAFF? YES.

OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT THEN WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND JUST CAST THE VOTE.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATING.

NINE VARIS ON TO PROVIDING DETENTION ON SITE NOW.

YES, WE DO STILL SEEK THE VARIANCE WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT IF THE CITY IN FACT DOES THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE POND HUNT DETENTION POND AT CITY'S EXPENSE, THE MAINTENANCE LLC WILL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE OF THAT POND AND PERPETUITY.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

DO WE NEED A WRITTEN AGREEMENT FROM WICK BEFORE WE DO THIS? OR CAN WE PUT THAT CONTINGENT IN HERE? YEAH, WE DON'T BELIEVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO MODIFY THE DETENTION POND.

SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTINGENT.

THIS VARIANCE IS CONTINGENT ON WICK UH, AGREEMENT.

CRAIG.

SO I, AND I CORRECT.

AND I'VE HEARD MAYBE TO PRESENT IT A COUPLE OF WAYS HERE.

THAT ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS THE CITY TO, TO ENGAGE WITH HUNT WICK.

I DON'T KNOW WHO ENGAGES WITH HUNT WICK ON THIS.

WELL, IT'S GONNA BE A CITY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND WE'LL MAINTAIN IT.

WE'LL TAKE OVER THE CITY'S OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN.

UH, BUT WE'RE ASKING BASICALLY FOR VARIANCE TO THE, ANY DETENTION REQUIREMENTS CUZ OUR FOLKS TELL US IT'S NOT NECESSARY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

BUT IF, BUT WE'RE SAYING IF THE CITY DOES WHAT THE CITY HAS SAID NEEDS TO BE DONE, WE WILL TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE AND RELIEVE THE CITY OF THAT OBLIGATION FOR, SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONTINGENT LIABILITY HERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE WITH WICK.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE.

MAYOR, I, I DON'T THINK, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HUNT WICK.

WE'VE HAD VERY CORDIAL MEETINGS WITH HIM AND WITH THEM AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, BUT THEY OWN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SCREWBALL SITUATION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CITY GOT YES IT IS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THE, YOU KNOW, AND STEVE, YOU MAY REMEMBER.

I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER.

THANK GOD IT HAPPENED AFTER MY TIME ON THE COUNCIL CUZ WE NEVER ACCEPTED MAINTENANCE OF THESE THINGS SINCE THE EIGHTIES.

UH, BUT ANYWAY, CITY DOES HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITIES.

SIDEBAR.

UH, AND WE, WE WOULD TAKE THAT MAINTENANCE OPERATION ON, BUT I THINK RANDALL, THE QUESTION IS, IT'S SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY BEING ABLE TO REACH AGREEMENT WITH THE THIRD PARTY HUNT LICK.

IN THE EVENT BOTH OF OUR PARTIES CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH HUNT WICK THEN COME THEN WHAT? COME BACK TO THE TABLE.

VARIANCE TO THAT THEY DON'T, THAT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE TO PROVIDE DETENTION ON THE SITE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

ON THAT VARIANCE THEN THE VARIANCE IS GRINDED.

OH, YOU MEAN THE VARI THERE IS NO VARIANCE.

YEAH, NO, THE VARIANCE FOR US TO HAVE TO DO ANY OTHER DETENTION ON OUR SITE FOR THE PARK, NOT THE RESTAURANTS WOULD BE GRANTED BY THE CITY TONIGHT.

PAY ATTENTION.

AND WE ARE WILLING, BUT WE THINK THAT OTHER THING WILL HAPPEN.

IF IT DOES, WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE.

BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE.

I GUESS THE QUESTION, RANDALL IS IF WE CAN'T COME TO THE AGREEMENT IS THE THIRD PARTY IS IT IS THIRD PARTY NEGOTIATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH WITH THE, THE ENTITY OF THE HUNT WICK? YES.

HOA.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

IF THAT, IF THAT DOES NOT COME TO FRUITION BECAUSE HUNT WICK FOR WHATEVER REASON DOES NOT WANT YOU TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE POND, SIR, YOU WILL HAVE GRANTED US A VARIANCE TO ANYTHING WE HAVE TO DO ON THIS SITE DETENTION.

SO IF YOU APPROVE OUR REQUEST, SO CAN WE ASK, I MEAN WE HAVE HOA HERE, THERE HE IS.

WELL THEY CAN'T, THEY, THEY CAN ONLY SPECULATE.

THEY DON'T, THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT TO A VOTE OF THEIR APPEAL.

SO, BUT I THINK TO MR. WRIGLEY'S POINT, OKAY, LET'S SAY IT, WELL I THINK WHAT WHAT RANDALL'S PROPOSING IS WE JUST GRANT THE

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AND SO LET'S SAY IF WE CANNOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE H O A TO DO WHAT EVERYONE'S AGREEING TO, THEN DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM? THEIR ENGINEERS ARE SAYING WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LOOK AT IT TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT A LACK OF DETENTION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IN THAT CASE WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

SO CAN WE APPROVE A VARIANCE CONTINGENT UPON A SUCCESSFUL NEGOTIATION CONTINGENT? IT'S A CONTINGENT LINE.

AND IF NOT, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE TABLE.

NOT THEN WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THEN WE REVISIT IT AN ISSUE, RIGHT? BECAUSE I SEE WHERE KEITH, THEY SPOKE WITH KEITH BADEN AND HE SAID THAT, UH, FIXING THAT RETENTION POND WOULD SOLVE THE ISSUE.

HOWEVER, WHAT IF WE CAN'T? WELL IT, IT SOLVES AN ISSUE THAT YOU THINK OR YOUR STAFF THINKS AN ISSUE.

WE DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE, SO IF WE WITHDRAW ITEM NINE AND SEND IT, WITHDRAW IT FOR TONIGHT'S CONSIDERATION, SEND IT TO THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND COME BACK AND REPORT, WE COULD ALWAYS ADD THIS BACK IN.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IF THEY, IF FOR SOME REASON, UH, HUNT WICK WON'T AGREE AND WE YOU'RE SEVEN ON VARIANCES, GIVE US A BREAK ON THIS ONE.

WELL THIS IS A BIG VARIANCE.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I'M, IT'S BIG FOR EVERYBODY.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS IF WE HAVE TO GO DEDICATE SOME AMOUNT OF LAND ON THE SITE NOW, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDO THE SITE PLAN CUZ SOMETHING'S GOING TO GET ELIMINATED IN THE PARK.

AND THAT'S THE DILEMMA.

AND WE WANT, AND I DON'T WANT CONTINGENCIES EITHER.

I WANT TO, I WANNA BE ABLE TO GET OUR BUILDING PERMIT QUICKLY AND UNTIL YOU APPROVE WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA APPROVE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

BUT THIS IS A MAJOR ITEM.

I UNDERSTAND.

IT IS AND THAT'S THE THING.

AND WE KNOW, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA DO DETENTION ON THE RESTAURANT SITES CUZ THERE'S GONNA BE MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THERE.

HERE WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS THING, WATER'S JUST SHEETED OFF THIS PROPERTY IN THE, IN THE PAST AND WE'RE GONNA STOP THAT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO CAN WE HEAR AGAIN FROM THE HOA PRESIDENT, CAUSE I THINK THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY SO WE CAN HEAR THEIR SORT OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT'S YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF YOUR BOARD? FORGIVE ME, RONNIE WILLIAMS HUNT TWO H O A X MEMBER.

OH, SO FORGIVE ME ON THAT.

OUR PRESIDENT LEFT, BUT WE'RE IN KIND OF A UNIQUE POSITION.

WE'VE GOT OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MAINTENANCE.

BUT WE'VE GOT A HOME THAT FLOODS AND THE CITY STAFF IS LOOKING TO BUMP UP FIXING THAT, WHICH MAKES IT A MORE EXPENSIVE PROBLEM.

BUT WE'RE HIGHLY MOTIVATED.

WE'RE, WE'RE HEL WE'RE SO GLAD THAT THEY'RE HERE VERSUS 900 APARTMENT UNITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND IT'S NO SKIN OFF OUR BACK TO HURT.

I MEAN TO HELP WITH THE DETENTION POND, IF IT HELPS GET ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO NOT HAVE WATER IN THEIR HOUSE ALL THE TIME.

NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT OCCASIONALLY.

, WE'RE HIGHLY MOTIVATED.

THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

UH, WE WANT IT TO DO TO HAPPEN.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY REASON NOT TO.

AND WHEN WE SAT DOWN WITH CITY STAFF, THERE WERE FOUR OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS, WHICH IS A QUORUM AND THEY ALL AGREED THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.

I GOT ANOTHER HAND HERE.

I JUST WANTED TO, UH, IN TALKING WITH KEITH WITH THE CITY THOUGH, I GUESS THERE IS TODD TING AGAIN.

UH, THERE ARE SOME COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WORK IN HIRING AN ENGINEER AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT PROCESS GETS STARTED, BUT WHEN I TALKED WITH HIM AT ONE TIME, HE WAS SAYING, I'M NOT AUTHORIZED TO HIRE ANYBODY AT THIS POINT TO, TO ADDRESS THIS.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT YES, TO GO, THAT'S WHY WE SWAP THAT'S WHY I SAID IT'S A CONTINGENT LIABILITY CUZ THERE'S CALLS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT'S GOING THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY.

I THINK WE GAVE A A A THUMB BALL ESTIMATE OR MAYBE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.

DON'T KNOW WHAT IT REALLY IS.

DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXTENDED TO THERE IS ENGINEERING WORK DONE ON THIS.

UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE UNKNOWN ABOUT THIS.

WELL, BUT I THINK ALSO KEITH WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THIS, THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE.

THIS IS A FIX THAT'S ALREADY IN THE QUEUE SOMEWHERE WITH THE SWAB AND MAY BE NEEDED TO MOVED UP.

UH, BUT I THINK THIS ONE IS ALREADY IN THE QUEUE.

BUT, BUT CLARIFY, IT'S ONE THING TO SOLVE A SINGLE HOME THAT HAS SOME FLOODING ISSUES WITH THE DETENTION MAY BE IMPROVED, LET ALONE 63 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT IT, WHAT MAY NEED TO IMPROVE WITH THE BASIN

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I APPRECIATE STEVE.

HE'S HE'S VERY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

I'LL, I'LL JUST BE BLUNT.

WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND.

CAN THE DETENTION POND EVEN HANDLE AN ENTIRE IMPACT TO IT? I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST OF THE VARIANCE, LET'S SAY WORST CASE WE CAN'T TO AGREEMENT OR SECOND CASE IS IT CAN HANDLE PART OF IT.

WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ELSE.

HOW DO WE COME BACK AND RIGHT AND, AND RESOLVE THE ISSUE? UM, I THINK WE'VE GOTTA SOLVE STORM WATER ISSUES.

UM, AND IF WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH HUNT WICK IN PLACE AND IT MET ALL THE CALCS AND ALL THAT, WE'D FEEL MUCH BETTER TO APPROVE A VARIANCE LIKE THAT VERSUS WE'RE HOPEFUL THERE'S CONCEPTUAL THOUGHTS THAT THIS MAY BE A SOLUTION, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE HAVEN'T DONE ALL THE CALCS TO SAY IT DOES.

IS THAT ACCURATE, STEVE? YES.

AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S A FLOOD PLANE THERE AND THERE'S A FEMA FLOOD PLANE THERE.

AND FOR US TO DO SOMETHING ARBITRARILY, I'M JUST, THAT'S MY WORD I'M USING RIGHT NOW.

THAT CAN IMPACT THAT WOULD, WOULD BE A DETRIMENT.

UH, AND SO THIS ONE WOULD MIGHT NEED JUST TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YES, THERE MIGHT BE, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE HOUSE THAT'S AFFECTED, BUT WE, THE ANALYSIS HAS TO BE DONE, THE CONVERSATION HAS TO BE DONE WITH HUNT CAN, FIRST OF ALL FOR HUNT WOULD AGREE THEN THE ANALYSIS, CAN IT EVEN BE DONE? YOU KNOW? NO, BECAUSE CUZ THAT'S THE THING.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE, MY CONCERN IS WITH THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN BEING THERE, UH, WITH THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN, SPECIFICALLY THE SWAB, WE GOT APPROVAL WITH SWAB WITH THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN.

SO WE DID A WHOLE ANALYSIS THAT TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND THEY ANALYZED IT AS THE PARK IS PROPOSED AND ALL THE FLOWS GOING TO IT.

AND ALL THOSE ANALYSES THAT GOT REVIEWED AND APPROVED AT SWAB SHOWED THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE, ON THE FLOOD PLAIN, THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN.

SO WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM SWAB HAS BEEN SPECIFIC TO THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT NOT SPECIFIC TO THE RIGHT.

I WAS PUTTING THINGS ACTUALLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN.

DRAINAGE INTO THE FLOODPLAIN FROM THE PROPOSED PARK, THOUGH THE PARK AS IT IS PROPOSED TODAY.

THE RISE WAS NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO THAT'S RIGHT.

THERE WAS NO RISE IS IS WHAT THE STUDY SHOWED.

AND THEN WHEN WE MET WITH KEITH AND STEVE, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IF, IF THE POND NEEDED SOME WORK DONE ON IT TOO, THAT'S IN THE QUEUE, UH, WHERE IN THE QUEUE WITH THE SWAB, I HAVE NO CLUE.

BUT, UH, AND THAT, UH, KEITH INDICATED THAT IF THAT BOND WAS RECONSTRUCTED, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF ANY PERCEIVED ISSUE.

SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MESSAGE I GOT FROM THAT MEETING.

SO I, AND THEN, AND I'M NOT SAYING MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT YOU KNOW, I, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO US IN THAT DISCUSSION.

SO I GUESS MAYBE WE BETTER RECORD ALL OUR DISCUSSIONS FROM HEREAFTER.

I DON'T KNOW ON THE HOA DID YOU ALL, WHAT DID Y'ALL APPROVE OR VOTE ON THE IDEA FOR THE CITY? LIKE DID YOU ACTUALLY MAKE LIKE A MOTION? I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, CUZ OBVIOUSLY AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO GO BACK TO WICK AND HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE.

DID YOU JUST, WAS THERE ANY VOTE TAKEN TO DISCUSS IT OR TO SAY WE'RE IN FAVOR OF IT? LIKE I WASN'T ANYTHING TO VOTE ON.

A PUBLIC TRUST, BUT IT'S THE BENEFIT OF ALL CITIZENS.

NO, THAT'S, SO JUST LIKE A GENERAL SENSE OF WE DO IT, BUT ULTIMATELY WE NEED TO GET THE RETENTION POND TO A PLACE THAT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYWAY.

BUT YOU LABEL IN THIS PROJECT, AND IN MY MIND, THE OTHER PANCAKE I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH IN MY HEAD IS LIKE, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE A HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL MIXED DEVELOPMENT FILL IN THE BLANK THAT COMES INTO THIS AREA AND, AND THIS PARK WAS NEVER PROPOSED.

UH, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.

ON, ON THE FLIP SIDE, IF WE HAVE A PARK WHICH HAS A BENEFICIAL USE FOR ALL, I THINK ON THE RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE WE WOULD PUT IN THEIR REQUIREMENT FOR THEM.

I THEIR ATTENTION, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WHEN HAYFORD PARK OR MITCH PARK WAS BUILT, LIKE WE WOULD, LIKE, WE AS A CITY WOULD ENCUMBER THAT COST I WOULD IMAGINE ON ALL OF OUR PARKS, RIGHT? LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT HAS A PROPER DRAINAGE.

YEAH, SURE.

RIGHT? MM-HMM.

SO LIKE THIS, SO WE'RE IN KIND OF A UNIQUE SPOT CUZ IT'S BEING TRANSFERRED TO

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SO IN MY MIND IT'S LIKE DRAINAGE I GET A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS I GUESS.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A COST THAT THE CITY BEARS ARE HAVING A PARK LIKE THIS CUZ IT'S NOT A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY.

NO, THERE'S NO MONEY.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE, THE, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE I'M RAISING MR. MAYOR, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE HERE? I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT I UNDERSTAND.

LET ME, LET ME FINISH PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT.

THE THING IS, IS THAT THIS THE CONTINGENT LIABILITY WITH HUNTINGWOOD, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS RIGHT NOW.

AND ALL WE ARE AT, WHAT WE'VE KIND OF ASKED IS CAN WE PULL THIS ITEM FOR NOW AND LET LET THE CONVERSATION HAPPEN? BECAUSE IF NOT, IT COMES BACK AND IT SAYS I'M JUST YOU, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

IF HUNT WOOD SAYS NO, IF WE CAN'T REACH AGREEMENT WITH HUNT WICK, THEN IT'S ON THE CITY AND THEN WE HAVE, IF WE HAVE FLOODING IN THAT AREA, GUESS WHAT? IT'S ON US.

AND WE, AND THEN WE HAVEN'T DONE DUE DILIGENCE TO TAKE ONE EXTRA STEP OR MAYBE A STEP AND A HALF TO ELIMINATE THAT.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING WITH, WITH, WITH WITH WATER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO WITH IT, MAYOR, BUT I DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT OUR SITE PLAN FROM BEING APPROVED TONIGHT WITH THE VARIANCES YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED SO THAT WE CAN GO START APPLYING FOR BUILDING PERMITS.

WE'VE GOT A CONTRACTOR READY TO GO ON THIS SITE WITH CONSTRUCTION AND YOU, YOU KNOW, FULL WELL EVERY WEEK.

IT JUST COSTS MORE.

EVERYTHING JUST KEEPS GOING UP AND UP.

SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU HANDLE THAT.

MR. MURDOCH'S SMART CITY ATTORNEY, SMARTER THAN I EVER WAS, BUT WE WANT OUR SITE PLAN APPROVED AND THEN WHEN YOU'VE GOT A CONTINGENCY HANGING OUT THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT.

DON'T GOT ANY ID I'VE GOT IDEA DIRECT US.

WELL I WANNA HEAR IT.

WELL SPECIFICALLY A VARIANCE FOR DOING DETENTION ON THE SIDE IS IN THE PURVIEW OF THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE ADVISORY REPORT.

MR. SHE AND ASKING THAT BE THAT AUTHORITY BE, UH, DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO YES, IF, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL BELIEVE THAT IT'S ULTIMATELY THE RESPONSIBILITY, RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY TO PAY FOR WHATEVER COSTS ARE NECESSARY TO PROVIDE DETENTION FOR THIS SITE BECAUSE IT'S A PARK OR WHATEVER THE GO THROUGH, THEN, THEN THE MAJORITY OF THEM VOTE TO GRANT THAT VARIANCE, THEN THE STAFF WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.

BUT AGAIN, THE CODE SAYS THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE ADVISORY BOARD MAY GRANT A PARTICULAR, IN A PARTICULAR INSTANCE, GRANTED VARIANCE TO THE MODIFICATION OF THE TERMS OF TITLE 23.

UH, COULD BE BECAUSE IT'S, THEY AGREE THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM OR UH, AGAIN, THE STORMWATER STAFF HASN'T HAVE COME UP WITH A WAY THEY THINK IT IS A GOOD SOLUTION WITH REGARD TO EXPANDING THE HUNT WICK DRAINS, UH, DETENTION POND, WHICH IS A KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION ANYWAY.

CAUSE WE HAD THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S AN ONGOING, UH, FLOODING ISSUE WITH A RESIDENT THERE.

SO WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT MM-HMM AND IF WE CAN TAKE CARE OF TWO PROBLEMS OR TWO ISSUES AT THE SAME TIME, THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE.

BUT AS WE SIT HERE TONIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH HENWICK THAT ALLOWS US TO GO IN THERE TOMORROW AND START EXPANDING THE CAPACITY OF THAT DETENTION POND SHOULD WE DETERMINE WE NEED TO DO SO.

SO MR. MURDOCH, AN EXPANSION OF THAT IS NOT QUOTE MAINTENANCE.

SO THAT WOULDN'T FALL UNDER OUR CURRENT, WE, WE MOW IT, THAT'S IT.

WE DO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S OKAY.

BUT EXPANSION IS NOT MAINTENANCE.

THAT'S TRULY SOMETHING THAT THE OWNER, THE HOA WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO.

SO KIND HAVE DON DUNNO KNOW WHY THEY WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY WOULD YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULDN'T, IT WOULD HELP THEM.

IT DOESN'T MAKE WHY THEY WOULDN'T DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

IT'S SO LET ME ASK THIS TOO.

LET'S SAY, SO I MEAN IF KIND OF LIKE WITH THE ROAD WIDENING THE CITY, IF WE APPROVE THIS VARIANCE, WE'RE TAKING A RISK, RIGHT? YOU'RE TAKING OVER THE EXPANSION OF THAT POND AND, AND I THINK THAT IT STAFF ALREADY WANTS THE FLOODING OF THAT HOME TO BE FIXED AT THAT END.

LOOK.

SO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE GONNA DO THAT ANYWAY.

I THINK THERE'S RELATIVELY LOW RISK THAT HOA WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO, YOU KNOW, EXPAND THAT AND, AND MOVE FORWARD.

RIGHT? I MEAN THERE'S SOME RISK, THERE'S SOME CONTINGENCY LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, BUT, BUT THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS WE DON'T REALLY

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KNOW.

WELL I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING BASED ON YOUR EVALUATION THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE WITH STORMWATER.

YEAH, THERE'S, AND I MEAN WE KNOW THE FEMA THING, BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER THING, RIGHT? WE'VE, WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED CALCULATIONS FOR THE SITE ITSELF BEYOND JUST THE FEMA FLOOD PLANE AND ANALYZE THE SITE, HOW IT WAS WITH KIND OF A HORSE PASTURE AND THEN ANALYZE IT WITH THE PARKING AND ALL THE UNDULATIONS.

WE'RE PUTTING A THOUSAND MORE TREES IN HERE, A BUNCH OF TREES.

AND WE CAME UP WITH THE, UH, CONCLUSION THAT IT HAS NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT AS FAR AS DETENTION GOES.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, AND AND THAT'S OUR EVALUATION AND I KNOW THAT STAFF WILL DO THEIR EVALUATION AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS LEAN ON MOST IN TALKING WITH HAL.

UM, SO THE, THE DETENTION POND IS HERE AND THAT'S THE, THE HUNT WICK DETENTION POND.

THERE IS AN AREA DOWN IN HERE JUST DOWNSTREAM OF THAT DETENTION POND THAT THAT DETENTION POND DRAINS INTO THAT WE'RE DESIGNING A PIPE TO GO THROUGH.

UH, AND THAT WAS GONNA BE PART OF THAT DEAL AS WELL.

THAT PIPE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE DETENTION POND IMPROVEMENTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS WOULD WORK, BUT I'VE TALKED TO HAL AND THE PARK COULD COMMIT TO WORKING WITH THE CITY WITHIN THE PARK TO PROVIDE AREA FOR THAT DETENTION IF NECESSARY.

UH, OF COURSE WITH THE SAME IDEA THAT THE CITY WOULD PAY FOR IT OR WHATEVER.

SO IF THE DEAL WITH WICK FALLS THROUGH, YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE POSSIBLE LOCATION FOR THAT DETENTION TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE PARK ITSELF.

AND, AND THAT MAY BE WE'LL SOLVE THAT ISSUE WITH WICK IF YOU, IF THE, IF THE ISSUE WITH WICK FALLS THROUGH, YOU STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HUNT WICK FLOODING TODAY AND IT'S NOT CUZ THE PARK'S JUST THE WAY IT IS AND THIS COULD POSSIBLY SOLVE THAT, THAT PROBLEM TOO WITHIN THE PARKS PROPERTY LIMITS COUNCIL.

I LIKE, I MEAN I LIKE THAT AS A PROPOSED SOLUTION.

I THINK WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS OF HUNT WICK, I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN IF WE CAN EXPAND THAT AND FIGURE THAT OUT.

UM, I HAVE YET TO ATTEND A SWAB MEETING.

I KNOW, UH, COUNSELOR SITS NEXT TO ME HERE, SHE'S ON IT.

SO THERE'S A PROCESS THERE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ALTERNATIVE.

UM, I THINK WE FIRST WANT TO IN GOOD FAITH DO ALL WE CAN FOR A RESIDENCE IN HUWI FOR A REASON IF THAT DOESN'T GET WORKED OUT OR THEY'RE NOT AMENABLE TO WHAT THE CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE.

UH, PROVIDING THE RETENTION ON THE ACTUAL PARK PROPERTY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO ENSURE WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY OTHER UNFORESEEN INSTANCES, UH, WITH, WITHOUT WATER, I THINK IS A GOOD, AND BY SAYING THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT MOTION WOULD BE WORDED.

SO GO AHEAD SIR.

I DUNNO IF IT'S YOU OR YOU, THE QUESTION IS, OR MAYBE IT'S HOW, SO THE, THE CONCEPT IS IF WE CAN'T COME IN AGREEMENT WITH HUNT WICK TO DO THE EXPANDED BASIN, WE'LL STILL WORK WITH WICK TO RESOLVE THE MINOR FLOODING, WHATEVER THAT THAT NEEDS TO OCCUR.

IF THE BACKUP IS TO BUILD DETENTION ON THE PROPERTY, ARE YOU SAYING THE THE APPLICANT WOULD BUILD IT OR YOU WOULD SAY THE CITY SHOULD BUILD THAT? BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY ON ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, IF THERE IS A DETENTION REQUIREMENT, IT'S THE, IT'S REQUIREMENT OF THE APPLICANT.

I'LL LET THE ENGINEER, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS.

OUR, OUR PERSPECTIVE AS THE ENGINEER IS, LIKE I MENTIONED IS WE ANALYZE THIS, WE THINK THERE'S NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT FOR THE PARK ITSELF.

SO THIS WOULD MAINLY BE TO SOLVE THE HUNT WICK ISSUE, UH, WHICH IS AN ISSUE TODAY.

SO, AND AS PART OF THAT, THERE'S CITY MONEY THAT'S, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, SET TO DO THAT.

MAYBE IT'S, THAT'S STILL TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT SO THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THAT LOCATION WITHIN THE PARK PROPERTY TO RESOLVE THE HUNT DETENTION ISSUE? YEAH, I'M JUST, THAT SOLUTION MAY BE FAR DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE SOLUTION WOULD BE TO PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE DETENTION FOR THIS SITE.

AS FAR AS TO CONSTRUCTED AND PAY FOR IT? MM-HMM.

IF THERE'S A, I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE'S, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING YOUR CALCULATIONS STAFF'S GONNA HAVE TO DO THEIRS AND EVENTUALLY, IF I'M HEARING COUNSEL IS SOME DISCUSSION AT SWAB, IT'S A TERMINATION OR IT IS, I I COME BACK.

IS IS THE APPLICANT SAYING THAT SHOULD STILL BE BORN BY THE CITY OR RIGHT.

IF IT'S, IF IT'S STORM WATER REQUIREMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE CREATING IT ON YOUR SITE, SHOULDN'T THAT BE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE APPLICANT? UH, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT WOULD BE BORN BY THE CITY.

THAT COST, AS WE SAID THAT.

I, I THINK YOU MAKE A REALLY GOOD POINT.

I MEAN I THINK THAT IF, IF THERE'S BOUND TO BE A NEED FOR DETENTION AND STORM WATER ISSUES ON THE SITE, NOTHING TO DO WITH HUNT WICK AND THE HUNT WICK THING CAN'T SOLVE IT, THEN WOULD THAT NOT BE THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY

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, I, I'D HAVE TO TALK WITH, I MEAN WELL THAT'S PART, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL DON'T THINK YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE CITY'S EXPOSURE AND RISK, AS I UNDERSTAND WE'RE, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.

WE'RE CONFIDENT DETENTION IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR OUR SITE.

BUT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH DETENTION FOR THE HUNT WICK SITE.

BUT WE'RE, I THINK WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS SAYING THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.

BUT IF YOU GO IN AND FIX THE ISSUE WITH, AND THIS IS THE DISCUSSION THAT'S HAD WITH STAFF WITH KEITH, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE HUNT WICK POND, THE IDEA WAS YOU WOULD JUST WIDEN THE POND A LITTLE BIT AND YOU COULD PROVIDE WHATEVER DETENTION IS NEEDED.

CUZ IT'S NOT GONNA BE MUCH IF THERE'S ANY AT ALL, EVEN FOR THIS, FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO, AND THAT'S AWESOME.

YEAH, IT WOULD BE EXCESS DETENTION.

SO THAT'S THE IDEA.

BUT SO IF WE, IF WE DID COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT IF A DETENTION OR STORM WATER ISSUE IS A PROBLEM ON THE SITE, THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PAY FOR THAT, THEN IT REDUCES OUR EXPOSURE AS A CITY.

IF YOU, IF YOUR ENGINEERS THINK THERE'S NOT, THEN YOUR RISK IS YOU DON'T HAVE NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED.

COUNCILWOMAN MUGS QUESTION.

THEN YOUR RISK IS, IS MINIMAL.

IF THERE IS A NEED, THEN THE PROJECT WOULD PAY FOR.

I JUST WANNA REITERATE, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF JOHNSON ASSOCIATES OF STAMPING THE PLANS AND SO THE LIABILITY IS NOT ON THE ANSWER.

IT'S BEEN ASKED OF THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

RANDALL THE ENGINEER AND NOW YOU ANSWER HER QUESTION.

MAY YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION PLEASE.

WELL, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS AND YOU'VE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 15 MINUTES.

I WANNA MAKE SURE I ANSWER IT CORRECTLY.

WELL I I THINK IT STARTED WITH MR. RICKEY'S QUESTION IS WHAT IF DETENTION IS FOUND TO BE AN ISSUE ON THE SITE? MM-HMM , CAN THE APPLICANT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? WE THINK IF THERE IS SOME RISK, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT UM, THIS SOLUTION AT WICK SOLVES IT.

ANYWAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE IN, IN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

WE'RE TAKING ALL THE RISK.

IT DIDN'T GO BEFORE.

SWAB WANTED TO BYPASS THAT AND KIND OF BYPASS PLANNING COMMISSION CUZ THEY SAID IT'S UP TO CITY COUNCIL AND NOW WE'RE HERE, UM, LOOKING AT WAIVING A VARIANCE ON ALL DETENTION WHEN WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE.

IF YOU ALL ARE CONFIDENT THAT THERE IS NO ISSUE THERE, THEN WHY ARE YOU FORCING THE CITY TO TAKE ALL THE RISK IF IT CAN'T BE RESOLVED AS WE'VE, AS WE'VE SET OUT? YEAH.

AM I STATING THAT OKAY? YEAH, EXACTLY.

UM, SO I'VE TALKED TO THE CLIENTS AND THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT IF THERE IS A DETENTION REQUIREMENT REQUIRED AS PART OF THE PARK, WHATEVER THAT ADDITIONAL TENSION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED WOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE PARK.

OUR UNDERSTANDING, THE ISSUE IS THOUGH THAT THERE MAY BE A BIG DETENTION REQUIREMENT REQUIRED BY A SWICK AND THERE'S ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT REQUIRED BY THE PARK.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO PAY FOR THE SMALL AMOUNT AND NOT THE WHOLE THING.

WELL, AND THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING IF RIGHT.

IF IT'S HUNT TO THEIR PORTION'S NOT VIABLE.

IF THE HUNT W THING WORKS THEN.

EXACTLY.

I THINK MAYBE THE WAY TO PHRASE THAT IS TO PAY FOR THEIR PORTION OF WHATEVER DETENTION MAY BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE PART.

I, I THINK WHAT WE WANT DO IS, IS IF AN AGREEMENT WITH HUNT WICK IS NOT WORKED OUT, WHICH I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY IT WON'T BE, BUT IF IT ISN'T AND WE ARE DETERMINED TO HAVE TO DO ANY DETENTION ON THE PARK SITE, WE'LL PAY FOR THAT CUZ WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S REQUIRED.

HUNT WICK HOA AGREEING TO ALLOW THE CITY TO DO THE WORK ON THE POND, US MAINTAIN IT THEREAFTER.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING TO.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE, I GUESS THE AGREEMENT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AND DO WE EVEN NEED THIS VARIANCE THEN? WELL, IS THAT UP TO, OKAY.

WE'RE DIRECTING FOLKS TO GO KEITH WORK WITH KEITH.

WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO KEITH, HE INDICATED THAT THE HUNT WOULD FIX, SOLVED ANY PROBLEM.

IN FACT, HE SAID HIS EXACT WORDS, WERE YOU, YOU WON'T NEED A VARIANCE AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS SORT OF REGIONAL FACILITY NOW.

BUT THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, WE, THAT WAS OUR DISCUSSION.

AND STEVE, IF I'M WRONG, TELL ME.

I MEAN, I'M, I LIKE YOU AND I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU UNDER THE BUS EVERYTHING HE SAID IS CORRECT.

SO ONCE AGAIN, IT'S STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY AGREEMENTS IN PLACE WITH ANYBODY MM-HMM.

TO DO ANY OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

WE WE'RE HOPEFUL.

THESE ARE THE WHAT IF DRILLS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO PROTECT THE RISK THAT'S BEING JUST LIKE WE, WE MET WITH HUNT WICK AND THEY, EVERYBODY, THE HOA GROUP WE'RE, WE'RE HOPEFUL WITH.

I THINK, I THINK THE GOAL IS THE SPIRIT OF THE INTENTION IS THERE WE'RE WORK WITH HUNT WICK.

WELL, LET'S MAKE IT, LET'S MAKE IT CONTINGENT UPON THE

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IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO ON SITE BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY THINK WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

BUT IF STAFF DETERMINES OTHERWISE, WE WILL AND, AND ROUND JUST TO HELP, HELP OUT.

CAUSE I KNOW YOU WANT TO, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE SITE PLAN TONIGHT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO YOUR INTENTION IS TO START SUBMITTING PLANS.

TO WHAT DO WE CALL BUILDING FIRE SAFETY, WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA RENAME IT TO BUILDING SAFETY.

BUT ANYWAY, WE, WE COULD JUST A THOUGHT PROCESS.

YOU COULD SAY IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE HUNT WIND SITUATION.

IF NOT, WE COULD JUST AN IDEA, YOU COULD DECLARE THAT AREA OF, OF POSSIBLE RETENTION ON THERE.

I'M LOOKING AT YOUR KIRSTEN IS WE COULD DO IT ALMOST LIKE AN AT-RISK SUBMITTAL, MEANING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S SOLUTION OF HUNT WICK, GREAT.

IF NOT, HERE'S WHERE THE IDENTIFIED SOLUTION COULD BE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO ALLOW, IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO APPROVE A SITE PLAN, THEY CAN START SUBMITTING PLANS.

DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M GETTING WITH OH, I HAVE.

UM, CAN YOU STAND UP? STAND UP.

SORRY.

SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO, I KNOW RANDALL AND HAL'S EFFORT IS HOW DO WE START GETTING REAL TO SUBMIT STUFF? UH, KIRSTEN LUDDINGTON BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SERVICES, SCOTT R'S FAVORITE NAME FOR A CITY DEPARTMENT.

UM, WE ACTUALLY DON'T TAKE BUILDING PERMITS UNTIL WE HAVE SIGNED SITE PLANS FROM.

SO LIKE, ONCE THIS GETS APPROVED AT CITY COUNCIL, THE SITE PLAN GETS APPROVED, IT FINISHES THE CIVIL DRAWINGS, GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND ENGINEERING HAS MR. LAWRENCE'S SIGNATURE ON IT.

THEN IT COMES TO US FOR BUILDING PERMITS.

ARE YOU ASKING US TO TAKE THOSE BEFOREHAND? WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND A WAY IS WE HAVE A, I DON'T WANNA SAY A CARPET, FLORIDA HORSE, BUT WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN COME TO AGREEMENT WITH HUNT WICK TO SOLVE THE DETENTION PROBLEMS. IF FOR SOME REAL REASON IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, THE APPLICANT HAS IDENTIFIED A LOCATION TO HANDLE DRAINAGE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, IF I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY WE'RE HOPEFUL FOR THAT.

IF NOT, WE HAVE THE IDENTIFIED LOCATION.

COULD WE, MAYBE IT'S A STEVE QUESTION TO THEN ULTIMATELY KIRSTEN IS, COULD WE ALLOW THEM TO START SUBMITTING PLANS KNOWING, I'LL CALL IT SOMEWHAT AT RISK, MEANING THIS AREA MAY BE THAT TYPE OF INFLUENCE OR IT COULD CHANGE TO RETENTION DETENTION AREA SO THAT WE COULD GET THEM GOING.

WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU DESCRIBED BETWEEN SAY WE, WE DO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN TONIGHT AND WHEN IT WOULD NORMALLY GO THROUGH ITS PROCESS.

I MEAN, IS THAT TWO WEEKS, A WEEK, THREE WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS? IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG IT TAKES THE ENGINEERS TO FIRM UP EVERYTHING ON THE DRAWINGS AND GET THE CIVIL DRAWINGS APPROVED.

BECAUSE WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, IF IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN IT'S TRAVELING THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE NEGOTIATIONS CAN HAPPEN WITH THE HOA TO SEE WHERE THAT IS SO THAT WE KIND OF AVOID WHAT SCOTT'S YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT, GETTING TO, WE WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE ROADBLOCKS.

WE'RE REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO GET THIS THING MOVING AND NOT HAVE ROADBLOCKS, BUT YET YEAH, SO IT'S ALL YOURS.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE WOULD, IF, IF JUST IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST AND I THINK BETWEEN UNCOMMON GROUND AND THE STATE, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO WORK WITH WICK TO HOPEFULLY COME TO A A YEAH.

EXP EXPEDIENT SOLUTION.

YEAH, WE'RE JUST TRYING AS, AS WE'RE MAKING SAUSAGE UP HERE TRYING TO FIND THE BACKUP SOLUTION, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EITHER OR EITHER HUNT W GETS DONE THE WAY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE, WE'VE SHOWN YOU WHERE WE CAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP ALL THE PROCESS ALLOWING FOR YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO START SUBMITTING PLANS.

YEAH, WE, WE WANT TO TRY TO START, I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY THIS, WE'LL MAKE A, WE'LL WORK WITH STEVE AND KIRSTEN'S GROUP TO, TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO LET THE PROCESS CONTINUE WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS EFFORT.

THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL TAKE CARE OF THEIR PORTION OF IT.

I MEAN, I THINK THEN, THEN HOW DO WE WORD THIS? WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO, THAT'S I'LL STOP THERE.

WELL, WHAT, WHAT YOU DID, YOU JUST CLEARED THAT OTHER PART OF THE EQUATION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT SWAB OR WHATEVER, OR WELL, NO, THAT, THAT, THAT'S CLEAR NOW THAT THE EITHER OR THAT IF, IF, IF HUNT WOULD, WE CAN'T WORK IT OUT WITH HUNT.

WOULD, UH, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT ON THEIR, THEIR PORTION? WE'LL TAKE CARE OF OUR YEAH.

THEIR PROBLEM.

AND WE'RE ALL HOPING THAT EVERYTHING WORKS OUT WITH HUNT, BUT IF NOT, WE HAVE THE CONTINGENCY

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AND WE STILL HAVE THE OBLIGATION FROM THE SWAB PERSPECTIVE TO TAKE CARE OF, OF THE, OF THE, UH, DETENTION POND BECAUSE WE HAVE A HOUSE FLOODING UP THERE.

WE DON'T WANT A HOUSE FLOODING UP THERE.

BUT THEN WE TALKED ABOUT AS THE PROCESS, AS EVERYTHING STILL GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU HAVE INTERNAL THINGS NOW THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN, RIGHT? YEP.

AND SO YOU AS THE CITY MANAGERS MADE THE COMMITMENT THAT WE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH INTERNALLY IN THE APPLICANT TO, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DEFINE IT, MAYOR, WE JUST WANT TO GET STARTED.

AND I GET THAT'S IT'S AN EITHER OR AT THIS POINT, AND, BUT I THINK TO, TO SOMEBODY'S POINT AT SOME POINT TODAY, UM, I MEAN IMPROVING, APPROVING THE SITE PLAN IS A GREAT STEP.

BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN BUILDING PERMIT RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, JUST TO HAVE ENGINEERS DURING, CORRECT.

THERE, THERE'S SEVERAL STEPS, BUT IT'S, THIS IS ONE THAT WE, THEY HAVE TO INTROSPECTIVELY ADVOCATE MM-HMM.

SO, OKAY.

IF HAVING SAID ALL THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE IS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE CITY WORKING WITH HEDWICK FOR THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE EXISTING DETENTION POND.

AND IF THAT IS NOT SUCCESSFUL, THEN IT'LL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE AND INSTALL NECESSARY DETENTION ON THEIR SITE AS DETERMINED BY THE, UH, CITY STAFF AND APPROVED ULTIMATELY BY THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE ADVISORY BOARD.

SO MOVED.

I'LL SECOND.

DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, COUNSEL? MM, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE NOT ON PASS.

AND NOW WE NEED AN OVERALL MOTION TIP FOR THE, FOR THE SITE PLAN.

WE STILL HAVE CASE NUMBER PR 20 2040 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR A PRELIMINARY FLAT FOR THE UNCOMMON GROUND.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN WITH THE VARIANCES HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY A PRIOR MOTION AND THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN, ET CETERA.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNSEL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

ALL RIGHT, THEN ADAMS PASS, PASS.

WHERE ARE I? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, WE NEED TO DO THE PRELIMINARY PLA AND THE FINAL PART.

SO YES, WE STILL NEED TO DO THE, UM,

[F. Case #PR22-00040 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Preliminary Plat for The Uncommon Ground Sculpture Park, located on the north side of East 2nd Street, west of Coltrance Road. (The Park Conservancy Trust) (Ward 2)]

I TELL YOU WHAT THAT IS.

UH, THE PRELIMINARY HAS, DID YOU WEAR OUT YOUR BATTERIES? THERE YOU GO.

OH, TRACK ONE RIGHT HERE.

TRACK THREE IS DOWN HERE AND IT IS ALONG COAL TRAIN.

IT'S 4.83 ACRES.

IT'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, NOT A PART OF THE PARK.

AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF IT IS, UH, 44.5 ACRES.

THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL NOW THAT ALL THE VARIANCES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

SO COUNCIL, I NEED TO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? NO.

DOES THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? NO.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE OR ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M SORRY.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO FOR THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT? MOVE TO APPROVE.

HAVE A MOTION.

NEXT ITEM IS CASE NUMBER PR 22 DASH 41.

THAT IS PROOF.

[G. Case #PR22-00041 Consideration of the Final Plat for The Uncommon Ground Sculpture Park, located on the north side of East 2nd Street, west of Coltrane Road. (The Park Conservancy Trust) (Ward 2)]

CONSIDERATION OF THE FINAL PLAT FOR THE UNCOMMON GROUND SCULPTURE PARK LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST SECOND STREET, WEST OF COLTRAIN ROAD.

THIS IS THE FINAL PLAT APPLICATION, SIR.

IT CONFORMS TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

IT CONFORMS TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT .

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF APPLICANT LIKE

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TO ADD ANYTHING? NO.

WOULD THE, DOES THE STAFF HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DOES THE AUDIENCE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS ITEM? MOTION TO APPROVE.

YOU HAVE A MOTION? SECOND.

THAT ITEM PASS.

THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, THE CONVERSATION.

THAT'S ALL FOR UNCOMMON GROUND.

NEXT ITEM

[11. Citizens Comments - (This is an opportunity for citizens, both resident and non-resident, to address the City Council on city related matters not on the council agenda. Citizens must sign up to speak either online by 3:00 p.m. the day of the City Council meeting, or in person by the start of the meeting. Remarks should be directed to City Council as a whole and limited to three minutes or less.)]

IS CITIZENS COMMENTS.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS, BOTH RESIDENT AND NON-RESIDENT TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON CITY RELATED MATTERS, NOT ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.

CITIZENS MUST SIGN UP TO SPEAK EITHER ONLINE BY 3:00 PM THE DAY OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, OR IN PERSON BY THE START OF THE MEETING.

REMARKS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.

SO FIRST PERSON UP FIRST, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING YET.

WAITING FOR FIRST CITIZEN UP IS, UH, RESIDENT IS CONNIE FAYER.

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE.

I'M GONNA START OUT, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE AN ASSISTANT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE AV, SO I HAVE PROVIDED MY OWN.

BUT BEFORE I GET STARTED WITH THAT, FIRST I WANT TO THANK, UM, COUNCILMAN ROBBINS FOR SPEAKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE CITIZENS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

THE TRAFFIC AND THE NEED TO DEAL WITH IT AND ADDRESS IT.

UM, WE, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE BURDENING THE TAXPAYERS WITH MORE MONEY AND MORE TAXES TO ADDRESS OUR ROAD ISSUES.

UM, COUNCILWOMAN MUG MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A, LIKE A $80 MILLION DIFFERENCE IN THE FUNDING THAT WE NEED TO GET OUR ROADS UP TO PAR.

WELL, WE HAD, UM, SOME PETITIONS OUT TO, TO HALT FOR CITY PROJECTS.

THAT 81 MILLION THAT'S GOING TO COVER THOSE FOR THE CITY PROJECTS SHOULD GO TO TAKING CARE OF THE ROADS TO ADDRESS THE CITIZENS NEEDS.

INSTEAD OF BUILDING SHINY OBJECTS, THERE ARE GONNA BE CREATE MORE TRAFFIC.

LIKE WHAT THIS UM, THING THAT YOU GUYS SPENT ALL NIGHT TALKING ABOUT, IT HAS BEEN A PRACTICE OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THINGS THAT YOU GUYS WANNA BUILD AND PUT UP BEFORE YOU ADDRESS THE NEEDS AND ISSUES OF THE CITIZENS AS IN TAKING CARE OF THE ROADS.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU GUYS TAKE CARE OF THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS BEFORE YOU TRY TO GO ON EXPANDING AND BUILDING NEW THINGS AGAIN.

AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY NOT WANT YOU TO PRIORITIZE, UM, ROADS, CONSTRUC CONSTRUCTION AND FIXING ROADS FOR ONE OF YOUR PROJECTS OVER FIXING THE ROADS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

NEXT CITIZEN RESIDENT IS, UH, LEONARD SCOTT.

YOU GUYS EARNED YOUR MONEY TONIGHT, MR. .

YOU REALLY HAVE.

UH, FIRST OFF, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE MAY USE YOUR CHAIR, SIR, BECAUSE I RAISE THE POINT OF INFORMATION ACCORDING TO THE ROBERT RULES OF ORDER TO MAKE TIME.

PLEASE RESTART IT CUZ I HAVEN'T EVEN GOT START.

YOU CAN'T.

I'M ASKING YOU, MR. CHAIR, I WANT YOU TO RECONSIDER YOU.

AS THE CHAIR RECONSIDERED HIS RULING ABOUT THE COUNCIL CLOCK AS CHAIR, HE MADE WHAT HAP APPEARS TO BE AN ARBITRARY DECISION TO NOT STOP THE CLOCK WHEN CITIZEN'S TIME, UH, WHEN WE ASK A QUESTION, THAT DECISION MEANS THAT THE CITIZEN LOSES THEIR VERY VALUABLE PRECIOUS THREE MINUTES OF TIME.

CITIZENS POINT OUT THAT THE CITY GOVERNMENT HAS THE FLOOR WHEN A QUESTION IS ASKED, ACCORDING TO ROBERT RULES OF ORDER AND THE CLOCK SHOULD STOP CITIZENS REQUEST.

YOU CLARIFY YOUR DECISION, SIR, TO TAKE AWAY OUR LIMITED TIME.

THE QUESTION IS, CHAIR, WILL YOU STOP THE CLOCK WHEN A CITIZEN ASKS THE COUNCIL A QUESTION GIVING TIME FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO RESPOND?

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PLEASE STOP THE CLOCK WHEN WE ASK YOU A QUESTION SO YOU ARE NOT GONNA ANSWER AND MY CLOCK'S TIME'S UP.

SO SIR, ARE YOU GONNA RE YOU'RE THE CHAIR SIR.

YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S THE SAME OLD THING.

I'M GONNA COME UP HERE AND BEAT YOU ALL UP CUZ YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING STUFF AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

IT'S THE OLD OKLAHOMA MEETINGS ACT.

OKLAHOMA MEETING ACT.

I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF, SHE VERY WELL STATED, SIR, I'VE BEEN UP THERE.

I TALKED TO HIM.

IT'S CLEAR.

THE OKLAHOMA MEETINGS ACT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO LISTEN TO US AS A FACT.

FACT, THE PROBLEM IS OKLAHOMA MEANS ACT.

YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR CITIZEN SYSTEMS WHEN WE COME UP AND MAKE REQUESTS AND YOU DON'T RESPOND TO US AND YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THE OKLAHOMA MEANS ACT.

NEXT ITEM IS THE COMMENTS FROM THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, COUNCIL.

WE GET IT.

BUT YOU'VE GOTTA BE OPEN TO THIS TO ASK THE QUESTIONS AND EXPLAIN TO US WHY YOU CAN'T DO IT.

OKAY? THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY.

I'M GONNA LET THIS GO.

I NEED A DAMN BEER.

IT'S TOO DAMN LATE TO BE SITTING IN HERE TALKING ABOUT YOU GUYS.

BUT I, I REALIZED THE PROBLEM.

WE BOTH KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND THAT'S, AND MR. MURDOCH, YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW THAT ALL FROM THE GET GO, BUT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU GUYS.

THAT'S ALL WE WRESTLED.

AND TONIGHT WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF YOU ALL WORKING OUT ALL THE LITTLE ISSUES AND STUFF AND BY GOSH, YOU ALL DID GOOD.

YOU ALL REALLY DID GOOD.

IT WAS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, UH, DECISION TO MAKE.

WE HAD SOME VERY PEOPLE THAT GAVE A WONDERFUL GIFT THIS, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN'T GET IT IN.

WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

WE CAN'T GET THE TRAFFIC THING.

I GET IT.

WE ALL GET IT.

SO I JUST WANNA SAY, I GET IT.

I KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, BUT CAN WE PLEASE OPEN THE DOOR A LITTLE BIT? AND SIR, THIS CLOCK THING HAS GOT TO BE, COME ON, YOU'VE GOTTA GIVE US SOME TIME WHEN WE GET ASK YOU A QUESTION.

THAT'S ENOUGH SAID.

LET'S GO HOME.

[12. Comments from Mayor and City Councilmembers.]

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? APPRECIATE YOU.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.

APPRECIATE HONOR.

IT'S BEEN A GREAT DAY.

LOT.

IT'S BEEN A GREAT DAY.

LOT GOT ACCOMPLISHED.