Jun 06, 2023 Planning Commission

A LOT SPLIT ON THIS PROPERTY, THERE'S GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL ROOFTOP, ADDITIONAL PAVED SURFACES THAT'S GOING TO FUNNEL ALL OF THAT WATER INTO THIS CREEK.

APPLICANT'S PRESENT.

CHRISTIE, OR ACTUALLY, SORRY, NOT .

YEAH, I, I WAS GIVEN THE MAP A CHANCE TO COME UP.

THAT'S NEW.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A MAP ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON 8.85 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 33RD STREET BETWEEN, UH, ANDERSON AND HIWASSEE ROADS.

UH, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE AND THE AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE THAT ZONING TO R ONE RURAL ESTATE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 90,000 SQUARE FEET OR ALMOST TWO ACRES.

UH, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR GA IS FIVE ACRES FOR REFERENCE.

UH, THE AREA IS SURROUNDING IT AS ZONE GA.

UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE SITE AS RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH ARE AREAS THAT ARE NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE FULL UTILITIES IN THE FUTURE.

HOWEVER, THE AREA DIRECTLY NORTH OF THIS SITE IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP WITH FULL UTILITIES AND IN A MORE DENSE FASHION.

UH, THIS WILL BE FURTHER FACILITATED BY NEW GATES ALONG THE TURNER TURNPIKE.

UH, THE, THE PLAN SHOWS THE AREA, THE AREA'S RURAL STATE ZONING IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS CATEGORY, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING AND STAFF SUPPORTS APPROVAL OF THE MAP AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU, RANDY.

UM, ANYONE ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY SCENE? NONE.

ANYBODY FROM PUBLIC LIKE TO ADDRESS OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.

MY NAME IS TYLER ASHBY.

I AM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST AT 1 33 0 9 EAST 33RD STREET.

MM-HMM.

UM, WE ARE IN DIRECT OPPOSITION OF THIS ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH SEVERE WATER AND DRAINAGE ISSUES.

UM, WE GET, WE HAVE A CREEK THAT CROSSES OUR PROPERTY THAT ALSO FLOWS ACROSS THIS PROPERTY.

THEY GET DRAINAGE RUN OFF FROM I 44 INTO AN ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER BLUE LINE STREAM, WHICH EVENTUALLY LEADS TO LAKE HIWASSEE.

THEY ALSO HAVE A POND AT THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY.

UH, IF YOU PULL UP THAT MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE POND AT THE BACK.

THAT POND DRAWS LAND OR DRAWS WATER FROM THE NORTH AND WEST SIDES.

SO IT ALL DRAINS INTO THAT POND.

THAT POND THEN HAS A SPILLWAY CUT TO THE WEST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE THAT CAUSES WATER.

WHEN THAT POND FILLS UP, IT FLOWS TO THE SOUTH OF THE HOUSE, ACROSS THE PROPERTY AGAIN INTO THE CREEK.

SO IT ALL CONVERGES INTO THIS ONE CREEK, WHICH FLOWS DIRECTLY ACROSS MY PROPERTY.

THAT CREEK AT TIMES, HAS RESTRICTED ACCESS FOR US TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE WE'VE BUILT AT THE BACK IN A NATURAL CLEARING, WE PRESERVED ALL OF THE TREES.

WE ELIMINATED THE CEDARS ON OUR PROPERTY, BUT WE PRESERVED ALL OF THE TREES.

AND OUR CONCERN IS THAT BY DIVIDING CHANGING THE ZONING AND ALLOWING

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AGAIN, THAT IS GOING TO FURTHER CAUSE ISSUES WITH OUR PROPERTY.

WE HAVE A LONG GRAVEL DRIVEWAY BEGIN, CUZ WE BUILT AT THE BACK THAT AT TIMES WE CAN'T GET OUT BECAUSE OF THIS WATER ISSUE.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST OF US, THEIR PROPERTY IS HIGHER SO IT FLOWS OVER ONTO OUR PROPERTY.

SO THE CREEK IS OUR, OUR MAJOR CONCERN HERE.

UM, WHEN WE BUILT OUR HOUSE IN 2008, WE BOUGHT THE TRACKS.

WE, THERE WERE ONLY TWO TRACKS LEFT, TRACK SEVEN AND TRACK EIGHT.

THIS IS THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ON TRACK SEVEN.

I'M ON TRACK EIGHT, BUT WE WERE THE SECOND HOME TO BUILD OUT THERE.

SO WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE SINCE ALL THESE OTHER HOMES HAVE COME IN.

AND THE FLOODING HAS JUST GOTTEN WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.

PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET IS OWN IS THROUGH OKLAHOMA CITY.

THEY HAVE BEEN PUTTING IN TRAILERS OVER THERE AND FURTHER CAUSING RUNOFF ISSUES.

AND THIS IS A PRIMARY CONCERN.

OUR CREEK CROSSING IS, IS A, UM, PERMITTED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

WE HAD TO GIVE IT, UH, PROPER NOTICE AND THEY HAD TO SIGN OFF ON TO PROVE IT.

WE ARE ALREADY HAVING TO REDO OUR CREEK CROSSING.

UM, RIGHT NOW THE CREEK IN SOME AREAS IS EIGHT TO 10 FOOT DEEP AND ABOUT 20 FEET WIDE.

I KNOW HE HAS SEVERE DRAINAGE ISSUES ON HIS PROPERTY BECAUSE WE'RE THE, THESE TWO SOURCES OF WATER CONVERGE.

IT HAS SLOUGHED OFF MASSIVE TREES THAT ARE NO SMALLER THAN 12 TO 15 INCHES IN DIAMETER AND PROBABLY 60 FEET TALL INTO THAT AREA.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT HE'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSING IS HIS CREEK CROSSING.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT'S GONNA DIRECTLY IMPACT ME.

UM, I HAVE NEIGHBORS HERE THAT ARE DIRECTLY ON EITHER SIDE OF HIM AND THEN NEIGHBORS UP AND DOWN 33RD STREET THAT ARE AGAINST THIS ZONING CHANGE.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU LISTEN TO THEM AND I TRUST THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE THEIR DECISION, BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE COME FROM.

THANK Y'ALL.

I'M JEFF HENDERSON, MY WIFE DENISE HENDERSON.

ANYONE ELSE FROM PUBLIC LIKE TO COME? THANK YOU.

AND CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME SURE.

AND ADDRESS PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.

WE ARE AT 13 1 51 EAST 33RD, WHICH IS DIRECTLY WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UM, PART OF THE FLOOD, UH, DRAINAGE THAT MR. ASBY ASHBY JUST TALKED ABOUT COMES FROM THE VERY NORTH PART OF OUR PROPERTY.

THERE'S SOME DEEP, DEEP CULVERTS AND, UM, UH, SOME OF THEM ARE 10 FEET DEEP THAT CROSS THE NORTH HALF OF OUR PROPERTY OR THE NORTH QUARTER OF OUR PROPERTY INTO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE ZONING COMMISSION.

UH, WE'D LIKE TO A REQUEST THAT IT NOT BE PASSED.

UM, MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE.

UM, WE'RE LONGTIME OAKES.

WE WERE, UH, WE LIVED OUTTA STATE FOR 10 YEARS DUE TO MY WIFE'S WORK, AND, UM, HAD A CHOICE TO MOVE ANYWHERE IN THE METRO AREA.

WHEN WE MOVED BACK LAST FALL, WE CHOSE THIS AREA ONE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOTS, THE TREES, THE TERRAIN.

AND THERE'S ABOUT THREE MILES BETWEEN HIWASSEE AND WESTMINSTER ON 33RD THAT ARE ALL THESE SAME SIMILAR TYPE LOTS WITH SINGLE PROPERTY HOMES.

AND WE'D LIKE TO ASK THE ZONING COMMISSION JUST TO, UM, CONSIDER VOTING.

NO, UM, KEEPING THIS STRETCH OF ROAD, UH, AS IT IS.

IT'S NOT BROKE.

LET'S DON'T, LET'S DON'T FIX IT.

THANK YOU MR. ANDERSON.

ANYONE ELSE FROM PUBLIC? THANK YOU.

PLEASE STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

UH, MY NAME IS LAURIE PRICE AND MY ADDRESS IS 1 30 0 1 EAST 33RD.

I'M HERE WITH MY HUSBAND, RODNEY PRICE.

UM, AND I DO WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, ADDRESS YOU AND PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ABOUT MY FAMILY AS WELL AS OUR CONCERNS.

UM, THE REZONE REQUEST, I'M NOT ACCUSTOMED TO SPEAKING IN FRONT OF A LARGE GROUP, AND I'VE CERTAINLY NEVER ADDRESSED A, A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR MY NERVOUSNESS ANYWAY.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED IN THE EDMOND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY SINCE 1988.

WE'VE HAD THE FORTUNATE, UM, SITUATION OF LIVING IN HOMES ON MULTIPLE ACREAGES SINCE 1991.

IN 2014, WE INTENTIONALLY SOLD OUR HOUSE IN EDMOND DEER CREEK BECAUSE PLANS EVOLVED TO DEVELOP AUBREY MCCLENDON'S QUARTER SECTION THAT WAS BEHIND OUR HOUSE.

IT HAD TRADITIONALLY BEEN USED

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AS CATTLE AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO A LARGE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT'S WHAT PRECIPITATED US MOVING WHERE WE ENDED UP MOVING.

UM, WE PURCHASED THIS LAND.

I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY WE PURCHASED THIS LAND IN 2016.

THE LAND WE BOUGHT WASN'T EVEN FOR SALE.

WE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AN AREA THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN.

WE WERE INTO EASY ACCESS TO WORK PRESERVATION, PRESERVING THE, THE TREES, UM, HAVING SOME LEEWAY IN TERMS OF FLEXIBILITY IF WE WANTED TO HAVE A GARDEN, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME LIVESTOCK.

UM, A LOT OF THOUGHT AND CONSIDERATION REALLY WENT INTO WHERE WE TARGETED.

UM, THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE PURCHASED IT FROM, I, I LOOKED HIM UP IN OKLAHOMA COUNTY, ASSESSOR CONTACTED HIM.

HE WAS INTERESTED IN SELLING IT.

HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'D ALWAYS DREAMED OF BUILDING A HOUSE, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO PRESERVE IT.

AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, NO WORRIES, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.

WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE WHAT YOUR INTENT WAS TO BEGIN WITH.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL VIEW OF, OF OUR HOUSE, WE'RE THE, THERE WE LOT, THREE LOTS TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND YOU CAN SEE WE LITERALLY JUST CARVED OUT A BUILDING SITE AND LEFT ALL THE OTHER TREES INTACT.

THERE'S THERE, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY, THERE'S THE BUILDING SITE.

THAT'S OUR DESIRE IS FOR THAT TO REMAIN STATUS QUO.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO RUNK RUNOFF AS TYLER DID.

YOU KNOW, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE ISSUES.

BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IF ALL OF THOSE LOTS END UP BECOMING REZONED, THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

UM, THIS IS OUR LITTLE PARADISE.

AND YOU KNOW, I JUST ASK THAT YOU ALL THINK HEAVILY ABOUT IF YOU WERE IN THIS SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WE WENT OUT THERE FOR A REASON.

IT'S THE PRIVACY, IT'S THE NOT HAVING ROOFTOPS RIGHT NEXT TO US.

AND WE SOUGHT OUT THAT LAND SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PURPOSE.

AND SO I ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU MR. PRICE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU MS. PRICE.

UH, MOVING TO A, UM, A SMALLER, UM, RETIREMENT COMMUNITY EVENTUALLY.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? GOOD AFTERNOON OR EVENING? MY NAME IS LEWIS JONES.

WE LIVE AT 1 29 41 EAST 33RD STREET HERE WITH MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER.

UH, WE'RE HERE TO HAVE A CONCERN OVER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

WE'RE PROBABLY THE NEWEST MEMBERS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'VE BEEN THERE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, BUT MUCH LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S BEEN HERE, WE'VE LIVED IN EDMOND FOR 26 YEARS.

UM, WE HAD THREE CHILDREN THAT ATTENDED AND GRADUATED FROM EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

AND IT WAS OUR DREAM THAT AFTER THEY COMPLETED HIGH SCHOOL, THAT WE'D MOVED TO THE COUNTRY.

SO WE'VE ALWAYS LOVED THE EAST SIDE OF EDMOND WITH THE ROLLING HILLS, THE LARGE LOTS AND THE ABUNDANT TREES.

AND MUCH LIKE LARRY SAID, WE SOUGHT OUT THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THAT.

UM, WE FOUND OUR LITTLE SLICE OF HEAVEN ON EAST 33RD.

UM, WE WOULD LOVE, WE LOVE THAT WE HAVE ROOM TO STRETCH OUT, NOT SEE OUR NEIGHBORS.

EVEN THOUGH WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, WE HAVE LARGE, HEAVILY TREAT LOTS AND GIVING EACH OF US PRIVACY IN THAT COUNTRY FEEL WHILE STILL HAVING EASY ACCESS TO EVERYTHING THAT EDMOND HAS TO OFFER TO ALLOW THIS CHANGE TO THE ZONING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD CHANGE THE SETTING BY WHICH WE WERE EVEN DRAWN TO THE AREA.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DESIGNED TO BE SMALL ESTATES AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

UH, WHEN OUR NEIGHBOR, UH, THE ASHBY'S, UH, TALKED TO THE OWNER'S SON THAT HAS REQUESTED THIS ZONING CHANGE ABOUT OUR CONCERNS AND THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS, HE TOLD HER THAT HE UNDERSTOOD OUR CONCERNS.

AND IF THE SHOE WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT, HE'D BE UPSET TOO.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF HE WOULD BE UPSET, WHY SHOULD WE BE SUBJECT TO HIS DESIRES TO CHANGE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE INTENDED LARGE PRIVATE ESTATES TO MEET HIS CURRENT DESIRE FOR SUBDIVIDING? UM, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT TO THIS AREA OF EAST EDMOND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL.

UM, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU VOTE NO AND SAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. JONES.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? THERE'S JOHN HERE, THE OWNER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UM, 13 2 25 EAST 33RD STREET.

I'M THE ONE THAT APPLIED FOR THE, UH, REZONING PERMANENT.

UM, I UNDERSTAND MY NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE BOUGHT THERE.

UH, WE LOVE THE TREES AND WE LIKED THE SECLUSION, WE LIKED THE PRIVACY, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

UM, I'M GETTING OLDER.

, I DO HAVE SOME HEALTH PROBLEMS. MY, THIS IS ACTUALLY MY SON'S IDEA.

UM, THEY'D BE CLOSE AND HELP US OUT IF WE NEED SOME ASSISTANCE AND KINDA LOOK OUT FOR US, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, MAYBE GIVE US A CHANCE TO STAY THERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN HA

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BUT ANYWAY, UM, I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS.

UM, BUT THE ONE PROBLEM I HAVE IS IF IT'S, IF IT'S A, UH, WATERWAY, WETLANDS, WATERWAY ISSUE.

UM, I DON'T, I'M NOT A ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERT AND I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER, BUT I HAVE WORKED IN CONSTRUCTION FOR LIKE 40 YEARS, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, AND I'VE DEALT WITH BMPS, UM, YOU KNOW, EROSION CONTROL TO A LARGE EXTENT.

AND WHERE THIS HOUSE IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD THE HOUSE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED.

THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL BE ABOUT 150 FEET FROM EAST 33RD STREET.

THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, IT'D PROBABLY BE TWO, UH, 250 TO 300 FEET FROM THE WASH THAT WAS DISCUSSED, THE WATERWAY THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER.

SO I THINK WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHATEVER THE CITY WOULD MANDATE AS FAR AS, UH, EROSION CONTROL, BMPS, SILT, FENCE, STRAW, WATERS, UH, ON A TEMPORARY BASIS UNTIL, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S RESTORED.

I DON'T, I I DON'T SEE ANY IMPACT TO THE WATERWAY AT ALL.

I REALLY DON'T.

UM, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME ROUGHLY, AND IF WE CLEAR A THIRD OF A QUARTER TO A THIRD OF AN ACRE OF TREES FOR THAT HOUSE, UM, THAT'S THE IMPACT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY WORST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE A THIRD OF AN ACRE WOULD BE CLEARED, WOULD BE THE PAD CLEARED FOR THE HOUSE.

UM, IF THIS IS JUST STRICTLY, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRECEDENT'S ALREADY BEEN SET, BUT THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, SOME REZONINGS OUT THERE, R ONE S OUT THERE.

SO I, I'M NOT TRYING TO SET A PRECEDENT HERE.

I'M JUST ASKING, UH, THE, THE, UH, COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING, NOT JUST, UH, BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE IT.

UH, IF, IF THEY ARE GONNA USE THE WATERWAY AS AN EXCUSE, I JUST, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER AND NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERT, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS A, AS AN ISSUE TO DECLINE OR, UH, THE REQUEST.

UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

0.40 DRAINAGE COEFFICIENT TO 0.55, THAT'S A 37% INCREASE DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE RATE OF RUNOFF.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS CHRIS GRAY.

ADDRESS IS 79 70 LINDSEY LANE.

UH, I AM, UH, BROTHER-IN-LAW TO, UH, TYLER ASHBY.

UH, SO I'VE SEEN, SEEN THEIR PROPERTY FROM A LONG TIME.

I HELPED THEM MOVE INTO THE HOUSE AND VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, KIND OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING OVERALL, UH, HERE, UH, I I AM A CIVIL ENGINEER.

UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH, UH, C OF EVANS DRAINAGE ORDINANCE.

AND, UH, I WANTED TO JUST BRING UP A A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, UH, WOULD BE OF, UH, CONSIDERATION SOME CONCERNS, UH, GOING THROUGH, UH, APPENDIX A TO STANDARD DRAINAGE POLICY.

UM, IT'S CLEAR, UH, FROM MY EXPERIENCE AS A CONSULTING ENGINEER, THE SAVE EVAN DOES NOT ALLOW FOR INCREASE OF RUNOFF TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE TERRAIN IN THIS AREA, CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU PULL UP THE CONCERTS AND YOUR SLOPES ARE PROBABLY 10, 10% CONSERVATIVELY, THEY'RE PROBABLY STEEPER IN THAT FROM 33RD DRAIN INTO THE NORTH, AND THE SAME THING ON THE NORTH DRAIN TO THE CREEK.

AND SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF, A LOT OF WATER RUNNING VERY QUICKLY, UH, REALLY FAST.

UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE DRAINAGE POLICY, DRAINAGE POLICY, IT TALKS ABOUT RUNOFF COEFFICIENTS THAT ARE, THAT CHANGE BASED OFF OF THE PERCENT, UH, OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.

AND WHEN YOU ADD ANOTHER ROOFTOP HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE SURFACE WATER RUN, YOU'RE GONNA EXASPERATE AN EXISTING PROBLEM.

AND SO IF THIS WAS A SUBDIVISION OR ANY OTHER KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, THE THE, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO RISE STORMWATER ATTENTION AND THE APPLICANT HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE RATE OF RUNOFF FOR ALL THE STORMS. AND WHEN YOU REZONE THIS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE A FULLY PLATTED SUBDIVISION, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY TO, TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.

AS I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DRAINAGE POLICY, I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THE COEFFICIENCE, JUST THE MATH OF IT, YOU'RE GONNA GO FROM A A

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WHEN YOU HAVE A FIXED CHANNEL, YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE VELOCITY AND YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE DEPTH OF FLOW, AND THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.

UH, SO THE DRAINAGE IS A, IS AN ONGOING CONCERN.

AND WHEN YOU ADD, WHEN YOU OPEN THE DOOR FOR REZONING, YOU ALLOW FOR THE CHANGE FOR THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN.

AND THAT'S THE CONCERN.

UM, SO I THINK I, I, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.

AND ANOTHER CONTEXT THING THAT'D BE INTERESTING IS THESE ARE VERY NARROW LOTS.

UH, SO BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A WIDE FRONTAGE WHERE YOU'RE SPLITTING OFF AND HAVING ONE LOT HERE AND ANOTHER LOT, UH, HOME NEXT TO IT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A HOME DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF IT, AND THAT'S NOT THE PATTERN OF, OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENED OVER HERE.

UH, SO I, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT, UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. GRAY, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

CAN I INTERRUPT? YEAH, GO FOR IT.

UH, QUESTION FOR THE CITY, I MEAN, I, UH, THEY'RE DEFINITELY CONCERNED ABOUT WATER.

IS THERE, LIKE, DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT, IS THAT GONNA BE LOOKED AT? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE FLOW, IT'S GONNA CHANGE THINGS.

WHO, WHO IS THERE TO POLICE THAT, MONITOR THAT, MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS NO MORE RUNOFF AND THAT YOU KNOW THAT IT'S BUILT CORRECTLY, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

CITY ENGINEER.

EITHER ONE OF YOU CAN ANSWER IT.

SO IS THAT FREE TO BUILD A SECOND HOUSE ON THE LOT? RIGHT NOW? THE APPLICANT COULD BUILD AN ADU OR GUEST HOUSE ON THE LOT AS AS IT STANDS NOW.

THEY COULD ALSO BUILD AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE OR A, YOU KNOW, 20,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AS IT STANDS NOW.

I DON'T THINK IT COMES UP IN LOT SPLITS.

NO.

UH, WHEN HE, WHEN HE BUILD, WHEN HE BUILDS THE HOME, I MEAN, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMIT, THERE'S NO REVIEW BY THERE'S CITY ENGINEER OR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON THAT.

THERE'S NOT, I THINK IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR OUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE LOOKED AT THROUGH LOOK OR THROUGH THE PLATS, THROUGH THE SITE PLANNING PLAT, WHICH THIS WON'T HAVE.

SO IT IS APP USUALLY IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AT THIS POINT, BUT IT IS A, IT IS ON THIS ONE.

HOWEVER, I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS JUST SAID THAT YOU COULD BUILD A SECOND HOUSE ON THIS LOT WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANYTHING.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO REZONE, UM, YOU BUILD A GUEST HOUSE.

I MEAN, THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT THE INTENT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS TO ME.

SO YEAH, ADUS ARE ALLOWED AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE SAME UTILITY ACCOUNT, SAME ADDRESS, AND DON'T REQUIRE ANOTHER ENTRY.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER CALCULATIONS HE USED FOR RUNOFF AND WAS, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE THING HE WAS SAYING, BUT, UM, VELOCITY, YEAH.

I THINK THE WATER GOES MORE AND FASTER.

SO WELL, SO IN GENERAL, YES.

UH, EVERYONE IS WITH THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

IT'S REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERNS AND, UH, THAT IF, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THERE'S ALWAYS THE CIVIL LIABILITY BETWEEN TWO PROPERTY OWNERS.

STEVE, ARE YOU STILL FORMULATING IN THERE? WELL, NO, I, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANYBODY, ANY, I, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RARELY HAPPENS THAT A PROPERTY OWNER WILL HIRE AN ENGINEER AND ACTUALLY, UM, PUT IN BEST PRACTICES, PUT IN DETENTION, THAT TYPE OF THING ON THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT THAT COULD HAPPEN.

AND THAT TYPICALLY COMES IN THROUGH A PLAT REVIEW.

CORRECT.

IF YOU'RE GONNA DO A TRUE PLAT, THIS WOULDN'T BE A RIGHT.

AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING, WE'RE NOT TO THAT PHASE ANYWAY.

THIS IS JUST THE ZONING PIECE, BUT THAT'S WHEN THE STORMWATER, IF YOU COMES INTO PLATE, I'M UNDER MY PURCHASE.

IT IS.

WELL THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

THERE WON'T BE THAT PHASE.

THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

I HAVE ONE.

AND ALTERNATIVELY, AGAIN, YOU COULD BUILD DAY TO YOU THE SECOND GUEST HOUSE AT THIS POINT OF DOING NOTHING WITHOUT CHANGING THE, THE SIZE OF THE LOT OR ANYTHING.

I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE AGENDA AND ALLOW MORE DISCUSSION FOR THOSE THAT HAVE NOT GOT AN OPPORTUNITY.

SO IS THERE ANY MORE PUBLIC DISCUSSION? THANK YOU.

I THINK THE ONE, THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD MAYBE GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON IS, UM, I CAN'T BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE ON THERE, EVEN IF I DON'T SPLIT IT, IF THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IF NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION, I NEED ANSWER QUESTIONS.

I GUESS YOU'RE RIGHT.

I I DID.

TYPICALLY WE LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS, WHICH YOU DID KIND OF WHEN YOU GOT TO COME UP, BUT I'LL LET YOU COME UP ONE MORE TIME IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WERE, THAT WERE, UM, PROPOSED.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

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IT'S NOT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I JUST ASKED RANDY EARLIER TOO.

IF, IF IT MEETS THE WATER FLOW ISSUES, YEAH.

THEY'D PROBABLY HAVE TO BE ENGINEERED OR WHATEVER.

AS LONG AS IT MEETS, UH, IT'S NOT DETRIMENTAL TO THE, THE WATERWAY OR THE, THE WETLANDS, THAT'S NOT GONNA INCREASE OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL IS INVOLVED THERE.

YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE WATER RUN OFF YOUR PROPERTY THAN CURRENTLY RUNS OFF.

THAT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD THAT I'VE ALWAYS .

THAT'S JUST A REAL GENERIC TERM.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT STEVE, BUT THAT'S IT.

, THAT'S THE GENERIC VERSION.

CORRECT.

SO IT'S NOT PERMITTED, UH, IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO ALLOW IT, I CAN'T GO AHEAD AND, AND JUST, UH, BUILD THE HOUSE ON THERE MYSELF IF I MEET WHATEVER WE, BECAUSE IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE THE ESTATE LOSS, WHICH YOU GUYS ALL HAVE NINE ACRE LOTS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A SECONDARY, A GUEST HOME THAT HAS, THAT'S JUST, THAT'D BE LIKE A BIG POOL HOUSE OR ANY OF THAT STUFF WOULD BE WHAT YOU GUYS COULD HAVE ON THESE ESTATE.

THAT'S, THAT'S WITHOUT CHANGING ZONING AND IT STILL MEETS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YEAH, LIKE I GUESS THE MOTHER-IN-LAW HOUSE, I GUESS MY WIFE AND I COULD MOVE INTO HIT AND MY SON COULD MOVE INTO THE, UH, THE CURRENT HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

KEEPS THE SAME ADDRESS, KEEPS THE SAME UTILITY DONE.

IT IS, TO ME THAT SEEMS TO BE THE SOLUTION, BUT THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.

I'D MUCH RATHER, YOU KNOW, DO THE, THE R ONE, BUT, UH, IF THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE, THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY A POSITIVE THING.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THAT KEEPS, THAT PROTECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL FROM BEING SMALLER, LOTS AND MORE ROOFTOPS.

BUT THAT'S THE CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL.

SO, SO I DID JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE MR. HER THAT I, I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY THAT YOU DO WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A, A REZONING VOTE.

YES.

TAKE ITEM NUMBER B, CASE U 20 3003, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR EDMOND CHURCH OF CHRIST PARKS AND AMENITIES, A PLACE OF WORSHIP LOCATED NORTHWEST OF BRYANT AND NINTH STREET.

UM, SIR, ANY, ANY LAST QUESTIONS FROM, FOR THE CITY PLANNER OR CITY ENGINEER FROM COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PUT ON THE TABLE TO VOTE AS PROPOSED.

TWO NOS, ONE ABSTENTION.

UM, THEREFORE IT DOES NOT PASS THE PLAIN COMMISSION, BUT IT WILL BE HEARD ON JUNE THE 26TH AT CITY COUNCIL.

[B. Case #U23-00003 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Specific Use Permit for Edmond Church of Christ – Park & Amenities, a place of worship located northwest of Bryant and 9th Street. (AMMP Studio) (Ward 3)]

A A M P STUDIO.

ARE YOU HERE? HERE? PERFECT.

UM, OKAY.

YOU RANDY, REAL QUICK.

YEAH, , THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS REQUESTING, UH, AN APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

UH, THE CHURCH IS LOOKING TO FORMALIZE THEIR USE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, UH, ADDING AMENITIES SUCH AS A PAVILION, A FIRE PIT, AND SOME, UH, COMMUNAL URN.

UH, THE ORIGINAL S U THAT WAS, UH, GRANTED THERE ALLOWED THE CHURCH USE BUT DID NOT INCLUDE THIS AREA OR THESE USES.

SO THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.

UH, STAFF SUPPORTS APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

THANK YOU, RANDY.

UM, ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE COMMISSION FOR RANDY CITY PLANNER? NOPE.

IF NOT APPLICANTS, YOU'D LIKE TO COME AND SAY A STATEMENT OR YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU DON'T WANT.

SURE.

UH, I'M MIKE PATTERSON WITH A AMP STUDIO 38 47 SOUTH BOULEVARD.

UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? HEARING NO QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, NO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION.

I HEAR A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND WE'RE THE VOTA.

FOUR TO, WELL JUST FOUR.

IT'S APPROVED.

AND WE'LL MOVE TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 26TH.

UH, ITEM NUMBER C CASE E S 2,307 PUBLIC HEARING.

[C. Case #ES23-00007 Public Hearing and Consideration of closing a public utility easement for The Ember, a residential development located west of Boulevard Ave. and north of Ninth Street. (Ember Development, LLC) (Ward 1)]

CONSIDERATION OF CLOSING A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT FOR THE EMBER.

A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED WEST OF BOULEVARD AVENUE IN NORTH AND NINTH STREET, EMBER DEVELOPMENT, LLC.

ARE YOU HERE? THERE? APPLICANT IS HERE.

FROM THE PUBLIC CARE TO ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, RANDY, DOES THIS WRAP UP THE, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THEM.

SO RANDY, IF YOU'LL GIVE US A SCOOT.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CLOSE IN THE EASEMENT, UH, TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EMBER.

IT'S A NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE BLOCK THAT WAS, UM, WAS APPROVED AS A P U D AND RECENTLY PLATTED.

UH, THE EASEMENT IS A 15 FOOT WIDE, UH, EASEMENT AND PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

AS SHOWN IN YELLOW THERE, UH, NO UTILITIES EXIST IN THAT EASEMENT BEING CLOSED AND THE CLOSING WILL GUARANTEE NO FUTURE TITLED ISSUES FOR THE NEW LOTS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU RANDY.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS BY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY PLANNER? ANY ANYONE

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IS THIS KIND OF THE, I THINK THIS IS THE FINAL EASEMENT THAT IS ON THAT SITE, SO THANK YOU.

I'LL BE DONE.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC? ANY NOT.

I HEARD NO QUESTIONS FROM EITHER ONE.

I HEAR A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION SECOND WITH FOUR ZERO.

[D. Case #DD23-00003 Consideration for a Lot Split/Deed Certification for West Thatcher, located at 215 W Thatcher. (French Investment LLC) (Ward 1)]

ITEM D.

CASE NUMBER DD 23 0 0 0 3 CONSIDERATION FOR A LOT SPLIT DEED CERTIFICATION FOR WEST THATCHER LOCATED TWO 15 WEST THATCHER FRENCH DEVELOPMENT LLC.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

RANDY, IF YOU'LL GIVE US AN EXPLANATION.

THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO SPLIT THE LOT LOCATED AT 2 2 15 WEST THATCHER.

UH, THE PROPERTY WAS RECENTLY REZONED TO P U D AND THIS LOT SPLIT MATCHES THE PLAN IN THE P U D.

UH, THE PARENT LOT WILL BE SPLIT INTO TWO LOTS, EACH BEING 6,007 AND 750 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THE NEW LOTS HAVE ACCESS TO UTILITIES AND WILL HAVE A DRIVE ONTO THATCHER.

UH, THERE WERE NO ISSUES NOTED FROM STAFF AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

THANK YOU RANDY.

UM, I'M GETTING THAT THE APPLICANT DOES NOT WANT TO SAY ANYTHING.

I GOT A HEAD SHAKE.

WAS THAT WHAT IT WAS? DID YOU GIMME THE HEAD CHICK OR YOU DO WANT THE ONE YOU HAVE ANY, OKAY.

UH, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC QUESTIONS? MR. RE YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

HI, MY NAME IS WHITNEY BURLESON.

I LIVE ON TWO ON ONE WEST FASTER.

UM, I'M CONCERNED IS MR. FRENCH GOING TO REDESIGN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY? I KNOW THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY HAS TWO LARGE GARAGE DOORS AND WE HAVE ANOTHER SIMILAR INVESTOR DOWN THE STREET WHO WAS GOING TO HAVE A PROPERTY DESIGN AND HE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THAT, BUT HE WAS TOLD WE DON'T WANNA HAVE GARAGE DOORS ON, YOU KNOW, THATCHER, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE IT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE CHALK HILL AND STERLING POINT.

UM, AND THOSE ARE NOT NECESSARILY FUN TO DRIVE DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE DRIVEN DOWN THEM.

THEY'RE DEAD ENDS FOR A REASON.

UM, ANYWAYS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING FAIR AND EQUITABLE TO EVERYONE ON THE STREET, NOT JUST UM, YOU KNOW, INVESTORS AND EVERYTHING.

I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE SAME RULES FOR EVERYONE.

IS MR. FRENCH GOING TO REDESIGN HIS PROPERTY TO NOT HAVE GARAGE DOORS FACING THE STREET? OKAY, THANK YOU MR. PERSSON.

ALSO TONIGHT, I WAS JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOT SPLIT DE CERTIFICATION AND NOT DISCUSSING WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BUILT SPECIFICALLY.

HOWEVER, I BET THAT THE APPLICANT WILL TRY TO GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO.

AND WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE PLANS ARE NOT COMPLETE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T DONE TO SEE MAKE SURE WE HAD THE LOT SPLIT.

SO ONCE THAT'S DONE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION.

BUT UH, I THINK THEY ADDED SOME SPACE ON THE DRIVEWAY FOR SOME MORE GRASS AREA, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A PLAN TO HAVE SIDE ENTRY GARAGES.

THERE'S NOT ROOM ON THE LOT FOR THAT.

SO THANK YOU TODD.

UH, ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC SEE YOU? NO COMMENT.

NOPE.

ADDITIONAL.

I'LL LET YOU DO ONE MORE.

COULD WE FORGO GARAGES? I MEAN, A LOT OF HOUSES ON THAT STREET DON'T HAVE GARAGES.

IT'S THE DESIGNS AREN'T FINISHED.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, RIGHT? WELL IT'S JUST, I'M QUESTION LIKE AGAIN, IF WE'RE GONNA SAY TO ONE NEIGHBOR THAT YOU CAN'T PUT GARAGES ON ONE STREET AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU CAN, THAT REALLY SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PLAYING FAVORITES WITH WHOEVER HAS A LAWYER THAT'S BUDDY, BUDDY WITH THE COUNCIL.

CAN CAN I INTERRUPT REAL QUICK? I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS A COMMENT THAT 13 YEAH, WELL COMMENT THAT I MADE THAT, UH, I WOULD PREFER THAT THOSE BE MORE IN KEEPING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, IT'S FOUR DOWN DOORS DOWN THE STREET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT FOR HIM TO DO THAT.

I WAS JUST SUGGESTING THAT, AND I DON'T THINK HE WAS ONE.

I BELIEVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TOLD HIM TO REMEMBER WHAT HE PROMISED.

I TOLD HIM THAT.

PLACE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS BECAUSE YOUR GUYS' WEBSITE IS SO DI LIKE, SO PREHISTORIC.

YES.

I GREW UP WITH THAT GUY TOO.

I TOLD HIM THAT.

SO YEAH.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE LIKE ARE WE HOLDING TO INTEGRITY OF THE RULES FOR EVERYBODY? 100%.

AND ASHLEY, PLEASE.

ABSOLUTELY.

GETTING A LITTLE OFFENSIVE.

I'M TAKING, THIS IS JUST A REMINDER.

HEY, IT'S A WE'RE I'M REMINDING YOU LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT.

MA'AM, I'M REMINDING YOU THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE INTEGRITY UP HERE.

WE ALL KNOW EVERYBODY AND THERE'S NO REASON TO CALL US OUT AND SAY THAT WE ARE NOT.

CUZ WE HAVE, I I'M ONLY SEEING CALLING OUT WHAT I SEE, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO THE PUBLIC IS IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PLAYING FAVORITES.

I FEEL I I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARE, BUT FROM WHAT WE SEE, THE PEOPLE, THE NEIGHBORS ON OUR STREET, IT SEEMS LIKE Y'ALL ARE PLAYING FAVORITES AND THAT'S, I MEAN, GUYS, IT'S NOT OKAY.

LET, WELL YOU DID LET YOU DID THE SURVEY.

LET, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A, SHE DID THE A CON LIKE A, AN ETIQUETTE COURSE ON WHAT'S APPROPRIATE WHENEVER YOU WERE IN PUBLIC, A PUBLIC SERVANT.

YOUR I P EYES ARE ON YOU MA'AM, I AGREE WITH YOU AND I CURRENTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO THAT.

SO REALLY ARE SERVING WOULD BE THE

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LIKE YOU GUYS ARE NOT PUTTING OUR TAXPAYER MONIES IN THE RIGHT PLACES AND PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO SEE IT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE QUIET ABOUT IT.

SO YOU'VE HAD YOUR SAY I HAVE YOU HAVE YOUR SAY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT SPLIT TONIGHT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEBSITES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WEBSITES.

SEND IN NO MORE.

YOU'VE HAD YOUR SAY.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WE TALKED ABOUT WEBSITES VERY MUCH FOR YOU CAN COME BACK.

YOU'RE TELLING ME I CANNOT SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING, SIR.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING BUT A LOT SPLIT.

SO YOU'RE WELCOME FOR LETTING YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF IT AGAIN, AS LONG AS WE'RE HOLDING FAIR AND EVERYONE IS BEING FAIR AND HAVING THE SAME RULES FOR EVERYONE ON THAT STREET.

THANK, THANK YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

HAVE A GOOD DAY SIR.

UH, JUST TWO QUICK THINGS.

UH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS IS THE LAW SPLIT APPLICATION.

UH, I BELIEVE, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO DEFER TO MR. LAWRENCE OR MR. ENS THAT OUR USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE RULES ARE.

UH, WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR A VARIANCE FOR OUR LOT SPLIT.

WE WERE 14 FEET SHORT, IF YOU MAY REMEMBER.

THAT'S WHY WE DID THE P U D FOR THE ZONING IN ORDER TO GET TWO UNITS AT 7,000 A FOOT INSTEAD OF, I THINK WE'RE AT 69 92 OR SOMETHING.

UH, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR LOT SPLIT IN OUR LAND USE, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING THAT WE'RE ASKING ANYBODY TO DO, UH, PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY THAT'S NOT ALLOWED FOR THIS PROPERTY.

SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT I UNDERSTOOD I WAS ASKING FOR.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I SEE NO OTHER PUBLIC QUESTIONS, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A VOTE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND, IT'S APPROVE THE VOTE OF FOUR AND I WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 26TH.