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[1. Call to Order by Mayor Darrell A. Davis.]
TO ORDER FOR JULY 10TH.[2. Approval of City Council Meeting Minutes:]
BUSINESS APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES, UH, APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING.MINUTES FROM JUNE 26TH, 2023 AND THE OF THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING.
THOSE MEETING MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
[3. City Council Nominations to Boards and Commissions:]
CITY COUNCIL NOMINATIONS TO BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS.THE FIRST UP IS THE MAYOR NOMINATION NOMINATION OF TOM ROBBINS TO THE GUTHRIE EDMOND REGIONAL AIRPORT BOARD TO REPLACE ROGER HARMS TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026.
WARD ONE NOMINATION NOMINATION OF CARUS SAHARI TO THE EDMOND MOBILITY COMMISSION TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026.
WARD FOUR NOMINATION NOMINATION OF SARAH NICHOLS TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO REPLACE ADAM TON, UH, TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026.
NOMINATION OF GLENDA PRESLER TO THE EDMOND HISTORIC PRESERVATION TRUST TO REPLACE MICHELLE COOPERMAN TERM EXPIRED JUNE, 2024.
WE MEISTER TO THE EDMOND MOBILITY COMMISSION.
REAPPOINTMENT OF BRIAN HOLLAND TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
UH, ADVISORY BOARD TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026.
REAPPOINTMENT OF JANICE SCHWAGER TO THE VETERANS MEMORIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
REAPPOINTMENT OF VICTORIA CALDWELL TO THE EDMUND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026.
COUNSEL, THOSE ARE OUR CURRENT NOMINATIONS.
THOSE NOMINATIONS ARE NOW APPOINTMENTS.
[4. General Consent Items: (Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Council. Members of the Council may request discussion or separate action on any item under General Consent.)]
HAVE A GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. WE HAVE TWO CONSENT ITEMS THERE.IS THERE ANY, THOSE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS. DO YOU HAVE ANY ONES THAT, THAT YOU WANT PULLED FOR THIS EVENING? NO, SIR.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THESE GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS? MOTION TO APPROVE.
A ONE AND TWO ARE ARE APPROVED.
THEN WE HAVE, UH, UM, APPROVAL OF PURCHASES, UH, APPROVAL OF RENEWAL OF MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT AGREEMENT JULY 1ST, 2023 TO JUNE 30TH, 2024.
MOTOROLA $437,607 AND 96 CENTS APPROVAL, AN AGREEMENT WITH FRANCIS TUTTLE TECHNOLOGY CENTER SCHOOL DISTRICT NUMBER 21 FOR TRAINING RELATED TO THE SKILL-BASED PAY PROGRAM UTILIZING UTILIZ BY THE PUBLIC WORKS FIELD SERVICE FOR $40,000.
APPROVAL OF PURCHASES, PURCHASE OF VEHICLE UPFITTING SERVICES FROM DANA SAFETY SUPPLY, INC.
UNDER STATE CONTRACT S W 0 1 4 2 FOR $81,698 AND 40 CENTS.
THEN WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF ENGAGEMENT LETTER FOR PROFESSIONAL ACCOUNTING SERVICES AND PREPARATION OF ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS TO BE PERFORMED BY CRAWFORD AND ASSOCIATES PC FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THEN WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE LARK DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR INFRASTRUCTURE WORK AND FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING FOR $150,000.
THOSE ARE OUR PURCHASES UNDER THE COUNCIL AGENDA TODAY.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THOSE? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PURCHASES.
THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
NEXT WE HAVE A, UM, CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE.
[A. Public Hearing And Consideration Of Ordinance No. ____ Amending Title 16 Building And Construction; By Amending Sections 16.02.010 Application For Appeal; 16.02.020 Membership For Board Of Appeals; 16.04.010 International Building Code; 16.04.110 Scope; 16.04.120 Permits; Repealing Sections 16.04.130 Annual Permits; 16.04.140 Expiration Of Permits; Amending Section 16.04.150 Schedule; Repealing Section 16.04.160 Certificate Of Occupancy; Amending Section 16.04.170 Temporary Occupancy; Amending Section 16.04.510 Where Required; Adding New Sections 16.04.515 Domestic Cooking Systems; 16.04.520 Locking Standpipe Outlet Caps; Amending Section 16.04.530 Means Of Egress; Adding New Section 16.04.590 Retaining Walls; Amending Sections 16.06.010 International Residential Code For One-And Two-Family Dwellings; 16.06.015 International Residential Code Appendices; 16.06.110 Scope; 16.06.120 Permits; Repealing Section 16.06.130 Expiration Of Permits; Amending Section 16.06.140 Construction Documents; 16.06.150 Schedule; Repealing Section 16.06.160 Certificate Of Occupancy; Amending Sections 16.06.170 Temporary Occupancy; 16.06.540 Foundations; 16.06.550 Footings; 16.06.560 Retaining Walls; 16.06.580 Roof Covering Materials; Repealing Sections 16.06.590 Re-Roofing Wood Roofs; 16.06.630 Relief Valves; 16.06.650 Grounding Electrode System; Amending Section 16.06.660 Electrical Requirements; Adding New Section 16.06.665 Exterior Door Infill; Amending Sections 16.06.670 Definitions; 16.08.010 International Existing Building Code; 16.08.020 Rules Of The Oklahoma Uniform Building Code Commission; 16.08.110 Applicability; Repealing Sections 16.08.130 Expiration Of Permits; 16.08.140 Certificate Of Occupancy; Amending Section 16.08.150 Temporary Occupancy; Adding New Section 16.08.180 Exterior Door Infill; Amending Sections 16.10.010 International Plumbing Code; 16.10.020 Rules Of The Oklahoma Uniform Building Code Commission; 16.10.100 Title; Repealing Section 16.10.110 Expiration Of Permits; Amending Section 16.10.140 Fee Schedule; Amending Section 16.10.500 Pipe Protection; Repealing Sections 16.10.510 Water Heaters; 16.10.530 Installation Of The Building Water Supply System; Amending Sections 16.10.550 Back Water Valves; 16.10.560 Grease Interceptors; 16.12.010 International Fuel Gas Code; 16.12.020 Rules Of The Oklahoma Uniform Building Code Commission; Repealing Sections 16.12.110 Expiration Of Permits; Amending Section 16.12.140 Fee Schedule; Repealing Section 16.12.500 Appliance Location; Amending Sections 16.14.010 International Mechanical Code; 16.14.020 Rules Of The Oklahoma Uniform Building Code; 16.14.040 Mechanical Contractor’s Registration; Repealing Section 16.14.110 Expiration Of Permits; Amending Section 16.14.140 Fee Schedule; Repealing Section 16.14.500 Prohibited Locations; Amending Sections 16.16.010 Nfpa 70, National Electrical Code; 16.16.020 Rules Of The Oklahoma Uniform Building Code Commission; 16.16.040 Electrical Contractor’s Registration; 16.16.100 Exceptions To The Nec; Repealing Section 16.16.110 Definitions; Amending Section 16.16.130 Fee Schedule; Repealing Section 16.16.160 Permits For Electrical Installations; And Providing For Repealer And Severability.]
HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 39 61.WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS ONE, CORRECT? YES SIR, WE DO.
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UH, KIRSTEN LUDINGTON, MANAGER OF BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SERVICES.AND WITH ME TONIGHT IS MIKE FITZGERALD, CHIEF OF PREVENTION WITH EDMOND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE PRESENTING THE TITLE 16 AND 17.
OH, YOU BRING THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU,
TITLE 16 AND 17 MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, WHAT THEY DO INITIALLY IS BRING US UP TO LEVEL WITH THE MINIMUM STATE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN IT'S OUR MODIFICATIONS ON TOP OF THAT.
SO HOW IT WORKS IS THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL DOES THEIR CODE UPDATES ON A THREE YEAR CYCLE AND THEN THE OKLAHOMA UNIFORM BUILDING CODE COMMISSION TAKES THEIR CODE THAT THEY CHOOSE TO ADOPT.
THEY FORM TECHNICAL COMMITTEES FOR IT.
THEY VOTE AT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA.
THEN THEY APPROVE THOSE RULES, SEND THEM TO THE STATE LEGISLATOR.
THEY GET APPROVED FROM THERE, AND THEN WE TAKE THEM AND ADOPT THEM LOCALLY AS MUNICIPALITY.
THEN WE TAKE THOSE, WE LOOK AT ANY STAFF REVIEWS AND WE DO STAFF REVIEW AND DO ANY UPDATES THAT NEED TO BE MADE SPECIFIC TO THE CITY OF EDMOND, WHICH IS THE ADDITION OF TITLE 16.
ON TOP OF THOSE STATEMENT, WE WENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THEY UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO APPROVE IT ON JUNE 21ST, 2023.
AND THEN WE'RE STANDING HERE TONIGHT AT CITY COUNCIL ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
THIS IS THE OKLAHOMA UNIFORM BUILDING CODE COMMISSION.
THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN GO FIND ALL THE MINIMUM STATE CODES.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY FORMING TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEES.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE CODE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FOR THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA, THAT IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BUILDERS, CONTRACTORS, ELECTRICIANS, MECHANICAL, MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO APPLY.
A COUPLE OF JUST FEW SPECIFIC EXAMPLES SPECIFIC TO TITLE 16 AND 17 THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.
WE'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND THE REQUIREMENT FOR EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS, WHICH MOST OF YOU KNOW ARE, WELL MOST OF YOU WOULD KNOW AS OPERABLE WINDOWS, BASICALLY FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF AND FIREFIGHTERS TO GET IN AND OUT OF TO RESCUE PEOPLE.
WE'D LIKE TO EXTEND THAT FROM THE THIRD STORY REQUIREMENT TO THE FIFTH STORY REQUIREMENT TO ALLOW FOR BETTER ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
WE'RE ALSO ADOPTING APPENDIX J OF THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO BE BUILT, UM, FOR ALTERATIONS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON A LESSENED CODE REQUIREMENT, THEN HAVING TO BRING IT UP TO NEW CODES.
AND THEN IN TITLE 17, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS REDUCING THE REQUIRED DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS ROAD TO CENTRAL EDMOND URBAN DISTRICT DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE LIMITING STANDARD ACCESS ROADS BETWEEN, THEY'RE CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING TO START.
WE'RE GONNA LESSEN THAT TO FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING TO START, WHICH GIVES THEM AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET TO CONSTRUCT THEIR BUILDINGS ON.
AND THEN ON AERIAL APPARATUS, FIRE ACCESS ROADS, WHICH ARE BUILDINGS IN EXCESS OF 30 FEET IN HEIGHT.
IT WOULD EXTEND IT OR IT WOULD LIMIT IT FROM 15 FEET IN THE CURRENT CODE TO 10 FEET, WHICH ALSO GIVES THEM MORE PROPERTY TO USE IN THE CENTRAL EDMOND URBAN DISTRICT TO BUILD ON.
UH, WE'RE ALSO ALLOWING CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS TO BE BUILT TO BE ADDED FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER.
UH, LESSENING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE HYDRANTS.
MAKING THEM OR ASKING THEM TO PUT IN AN ALARM SYSTEM TO NOTIFY THE OCCUPANTS IN THE EVENT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR FIRE HYDRANTS IN ORDER TO SERVE SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST GET THE OCCUPANTS OUT OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND GIVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TIME TO GET THERE.
THE TITLE 16 CODE ADOPTION INCLUDE THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, MECHANICAL CODE, PLUMBING CODE, FUEL GAS CODE, SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE.
AND THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE.
TITLE 17 ADOPTIONS ARE THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, THE DEVELOPMENT CODES, GATES, FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS, AND SPECIAL HAZARDS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, UH, WE MIRROR THE STATE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO ON, ARE ANY OF THE, DO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, THE COST INVOLVED IN DOING THAT? THE, THE FISCAL ANALYSIS ON OR DETERMINATION ON WHERE IT MIGHT SHAKE OUT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR ONTO A POTENTIAL HOME BUYER? WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS IN OUR CURRENT TITLE, 16 AND 17 REQUEST FOR ADOPTION.
ONE OF THEM WE'RE ADOPTING THE APPENDIX QUEUE, WHICH IS FOR TINY HOMES, WHICH IF ZONING PERMITTED WOULD ALLOW LIKE A TINY HOME COMMUNITY OR EVEN PEOPLE TO USE TINY HOMES AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
AND THOSE ARE FOR BUILDINGS UP TO 400 SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO BY ADOPTING THAT APPENDIX, IT ALLOWS FOR THAT TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
AND THEN ALSO WITH THE CHANGES I MENTIONED IN THE CENTRAL EDMOND URBAN
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DISTRICT, IT MAKES IT TO WHERE THEY CAN BUILD MORE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREAS FOR LAKE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.AND THEN, UM, IF OKLAHOMA CITY AND EDMOND ARE DIFFERENT, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? SO TECHNICALLY OKLAHOMA CITY AND EDMOND SHOULD NOT BE DIFFERENT.
WE'RE ALL UNDER THE, WE SHOULD ALL FALL UNDER THE STATE MINIMUM CODE, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, AND MOST OF THESE, LIKE THE THIRD TO FIFTH STORY WINDOWS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, MOST DEVELOPERS BUILD THOSE IN ANYWAY.
MOST DEPARTMENT COMPLEXES AREN'T JUST GONNA STOP PUTTING WINDOWS IN AT THE THIRD FLOOR.
THEY RUN 'EM CLEAR UP TO THE TOP WHETHER THEY'RE USEFUL OR NOT.
SO IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE AND IT'S NOT A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE FROM OKLAHOMA CITY TO EDMOND.
AND AS LIKE, AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS AND THE BUILDINGS FOR LIKE RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND THAT TYPE OF THING, WE FALL UNDER THE SAME CODE AND THE ENFORCEMENT SHOULD BE THE SAME ON THOSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE CHANGES REAL QUICK.
SO REAL QUICK, UH, THERE WILL BE A QUIZ
THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION.
SO THERE WILL BE A CHANCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 39 61 AMENDING TITLE 16 BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION BY AMENDING SECTION 16.2 10.
APP APPLICATION FOR APPEAL TO 16.2 20 MEMBERSHIP FOR BOARD OF APPEALS 16.4 10 INTERNATIONAL BO BUILDING CODE 16.41 10.
PERMITS REPEALING SECTION 16.41 30 ANNUAL PERMITS 16.41 40.
EXPIRATION OF PERMITS AMENDING SECTION 16.41 50.
SCHEDULE REPEALING SECTION 16.41 60.
CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AMENDING SECTION 16.41 70.
TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY AMENDING SECTION 16.45 10 WHERE REQUIRED ADDING NEW SECTION 16.45 15 DOMESTIC COOKING SYSTEMS 16.45 20 BLOCKING STANDPIPE OUTLET CAPS AMENDING 16.45 30 MEANS OF EGRESS ADDING NEW SECTION 16.45 90 RETAINING WALLS AMENDING SECTION 16.6 10 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE FOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLING 16 6 15 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE APPENDICES 16.61 10.
PERMITS REPEALING SECTION 16.61 30.
EXPIRATION OF PERMITS AMENDING SECTION 16.61 40.
CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS 16.61 50.
SCHEDULE REPEALING SECTION 16.61 60.
CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AMENDING SECTION 16 6 1 70.
TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY 16 6 5 40 FOUNDATION 16 6 5 50 FOOTING 16 6 5 60 RETAINING WALL 16 6 5 80 ROOFING ROOF COVERING MATERIALS, REPEALING SECTIONS 16 6 5 93 ROOFING WOOD ROOFS 16 6 6 30 RELIEF VALVE 16 6 6 50 GROUNDING ELECTRODE SYSTEMS AMENDING SECTION 16.66 60.
ELECTRICAL REQUIREMENTS ADDING DUE SECTION 16.6665.
EXTERIOR DOOR INFIELD AMENDING SECTION 16.66 70.
DEFINITION 16.8 10 INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODES.
16.8 20 RULES OF THE OKLAHOMA UNIFORM BUILDING CODE COMMISSION 16.81 10 APPLICABILITY REPEALING SECTION 16.81 30 EXPIRATION OF PERMIT 16.81 40.
CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AMENDING SECTION 16.81 50.
TEMPORARY OCCUPANCY AMEND ADDING NEW SECTION SIX 16.8 180.
EXTERIOR DOOR INFIELD AMENDING SECTION 16 10 10 INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE 16 10 20 RULES OF THE OKLAHOMA UNIFORM BUILDING CODE COMMISSION 1616 POINT TEN ONE HUNDRED.
UH, TITLE REPEALING SECTION 16 POINT TEN ONE TEN.
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OF PERMITS AMENDING 16 POINT TEN ONE FORTY FEE SCHEDULE AMENDING 16 POINT TEN FIVE HUNDRED.REPEALING SECTION 16 POINT TEN FIVE TEN WATER HEATERS 16 POINT TEN FIVE THIRTY.
INSTALLATION OF THE BUILDING WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM AMENDING SECTION 16 POINT TEN FIVE FIFTY.
BACKWATER VOWS 16 POINT TEN FIVE SIXTY.
GREASE INTERCEPTION INTERCEPTORS 16 12 10 INTERNATIONAL FUEL GAS CODE 16 12 20 RULES OF THE OKLAHOMA UNIFORM BUILDING CODE COMMISSION.
EXPIRATION OF PERMITS AMENDING SECTION 16 12 1 40 FEE SCHEDULE REPEALING SECTION 16 POINT 12 500 APPLIANCE LOCATIONS AMENDING 16 POINT 1410 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE 16 POINT 1420 RULES OF THE OKLAHOMA UNIFORM BUILDINGS CODE 16 POINT 14, UH 40 MECHANICAL CONTRACTORS.
REGISTRATION, UH, REPEALING SECTION 16 14, 1 10.
EXPIRATION OF PERMITS AMENDING SECTION 16 14 1 40 FEE SCHEDULE REPEALING SECTION 16 14 500 PROHIBITED LOCATIONS AMENDING SECTION 16, 16, UH, 10 AND FPA 90, I MEAN 70.
NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE 16 16, 20 RULES OF THE OKLAHOMA UNIFORM BUSINESS CODE COMMISSION.
UH, ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS REGISTRATION 16 16, 100 100 EXCEPTIONS TO THE NEC REPEALING SECTION 16 16 1 10 DEFINITIONS AMENDING 16 16 1 30 FEE SCHEDULE REPEALING SECTION 16 16 1 60 PERMITS FOR ELECTRICAL INSTALLATIONS AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND SEVERABILITY.
UM, MIGHT AS WELL GET THAT ONE OUT TOO PUBLIC HEARING
[B. Public Hearing And Consideration Of Ordinance No. ____ Amending Title 17 Fire Of The Edmond Municipal Code; By Amending Sections 17.04.010 International Fire Code; 17.04.020 Rules Of The Oklahoma Uniform Building Code Commission; Repealing Section 17.04.130 Expiration Of Permits; Amending Sections 17.04.200 Fee Schedule; 17.04.550 Fire Apparatus Access Roads; Adding New Section 17.04.585 Emergency Responder Radio Coverage; Amending Section 17.04.590 Automatic Sprinkler Systems; Adding New Sections 17.04.593 Domestic Cooking Systems; 17.04.595 Standpipe Systems; 17.04.606 Means Of Egress; 17.04.608 Fire Safety During Construction And Demolition; 17.04.609 Processing And Extraction Facilities; Amending Sections 17.04.680 Appendix D – Fire Apparatus Access Roads-Grade; 17.04.690 Appendix D – Fire Apparatus Access Roads - Security Gates; 17.04.700 Appendix D – Fire Apparatus Access Roads – Signs; Adding New Sections 17.04.703 Appendix D – Fire Apparatus Access Roads – Aerial Fire Apparatus Roads; 17.04.706 Appendix D – Fire Apparatus Access Roads – Multiple-Family Residential Developments; Amending Section 17.04.710 Appendix D – Fire Apparatus Access Roads – One- And Two-Family Residential Developments And Remoteness; And Providing For Repealer And Severability.]
CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 39 62.39 62 AMENDING TITLE 17, FIRE OF THE EDMOND, SORRY.
HAVE THE PRO TIME JUMP IN, GET SOME RELIEF.
WE NEED CONSIDERATION OF UM, 39 62 AMENDING TITLE 17, FIRE OF THE MOND MUNICIPAL CODE BY AMENDING SECTION 17.4 10 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE 17.4 20 RULES OF THE OKLAHOMA UNIFORM BUILDING CODE COMMISSION REPEALING 17.41 30.
EXPIRATION OF PERMITS AMENDING SECTION 17.4 200 FEET.
FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROADS ADDING NEW SECTION 17.4 5 85.
EMERGENCY RESPONDER RADIO COVERAGE AMENDING SEC SECTION 17.45 90.
AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEMS ADDING NEW SECTION 17.4593 DOMESTIC COOKIE SYSTEM SYSTEMS 17.4 5 9 5 5 9 5.
FIRE SAFETY DURING CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOTION.
PROCESSING AND EXTRACTION FACILITIES AMENDING SECTION 17.46 80.
APPENDIX D, FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROAD GRANT, GRADE 17 4 6 90.
APPENDIX D, FIRE APPARATUS, ACCESS ROAD SECURITY GATE 17.4 700.
APPENDIX D, FIRE APPARATUS, ACCESS ROAD SIGNS ADDING NEW SECTION 17.47 30 APPENDIX D, FIRE APPARATUS, ACCESS ROADS, AERIAL FIRE APPARATUS ROAD 17.4 7 6 7 0 6.
APPENDIX D, FIRE APP APPARATUS, ACCESS ROADS, MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AMENDING SECTION 17.4 17, APPENDIX D, FIRE APPARATUS ACCESS ROSE ONE AND TWO.
FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND REMOTENESS AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND SEVERABILITY.
DO YOU NEED AN INHALER? SO THOSE ARE THE TWO AMENDMENTS TO TITLE 16 AND 17.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NONE.
COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH THESE TWO ITEMS? AND I'M NOT READING THEM AGAIN.
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WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.[ <Recess Edmond City Council Meeting and Convene Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting>]
A MOTION TO RECESS THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL.SO MOVE SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
WE ARE NOW IN THE E P W A MEETING.
UH, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE, UH,
[6. Approval of EPWA Meeting Minutes: June 26, 2023]
APPROVAL OF THE E P W A MEETING MINUTES OF JUNE 26TH, 2023.I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.
THOSE MEETING MINUTES HAVE PASSED.
[7. EPWA General Consent Items: (Items listed under EPWA General Consent are usually approved as a group with a proper motion from a trustee of the EPWA. Trustees may request discussion or separate action on any item under EPWA General Consent.)]
ITEMS. WE HAVE ONE, UM, ITEM CONSIDERATION.COUNCIL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH THAT ITEM? MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND.
SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE A FEW PURCHASES.
WE HAVE ACCEPTANCE OF EASEMENT FROM DARRYL W WOOSTER AND, AND JUDY L WOOSTER, CO-TRUSTEES OF THE WOOSTER, UH, LIVING TRUST FOR WASTE WATER MASTER PLAN PROJECTS.
E ONE DASH ONE B E THREE DASH ONE E THREE DASH TWO E THREE DASH THREE, AND E THREE DASH FOUR COFFEY CREEK INTERCEPTOR PHASE TWO PARCEL 30 FOR $5,000.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW THIS WORKS.
I JUST WANTED TO, UH, RECUSE MYSELF SINCE I'M A MEMBER OF THAT CONGREGATION.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO HERE, WE'LL WE WILL DO ITEMS ONE, THREE, AND FOUR.
SO YOU CAN, WE CAN HAVE A VOTE AND THEN WE'LL ALLOW YOU TO RECUSE YOURSELF.
AM I ABLE TO MAKE A COMMENT? WHY AM I RECUSING MYSELF OR FOUR FOR, FOR TWO FOR NU YEAH.
OH, WHAT YOU SAID YOU REMEMBER THE CONGREGATION? YEAH.
AND I HAD NO, I HAD NO PART IN THIS, SO, SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT ON THE RECORD THAT THE FIRST TIME I SAW IT WAS ON THE AGENDA AND, AND JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I HAD NO, I'M A MEMBER OF THE CONGREGATION.
DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN ANY NEGOTIATION OR ANYTHING, SO, OKAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA, YOU'RE STILL GONNA RECUSE YOURSELF? YES, SIR.
SO WE'LL DO ONE, THREE, AND FOUR.
UH, UM, THE NEXT IS APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE OF THE 2023 CLUB CAR CARRYALL UTILITY VEHICLES OF 150,000.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE THIRD AMENDMENT OF TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE LARGE DEVELOPMENT LLC FOR INFRASTRUCTURE WORK AND, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING FOR $150,000.
MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS ONE, THREE, AND FOUR.
[2. Acceptance of Easement from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a Utah corporation sole, for Water Master Plan Projects UPSZ-3, UPSZ-5B, and NEW-5 Waterlines (33rd Street Water Line); Parcel 3; $24,000.00. (Ward 3)]
ACCEPTANCE OF THE EASEMENT FROM THE CHURCH OF THE JESUS CHRIST OF LATER DAY, A UTAH CORPORATION SOLD FOR THE WATER MASTER PLAN PROJECT U PSZ DASH THREE U PSZ DASH FIVE B IN NEW N E W DASH FIVE WATER LINES 33RD STREET WATER LINES PARTIAL THREE FOR $24,000.PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE THAT I MUST PASS.
[ <Adjourn Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting and Reconvene Edmond City Council Meeting>]
WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC WORKS.WE'RE BACK IN, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
EACH OF THESE ITEMS REQUIRE SEPARATE VOTES.
[A. Case #DD23-00004 Consideration for a Lot Split for Howard Place, located on the southeast corner of Howard and Hurd (Cameron Johnson) (Ward 1)]
NUMBER DD 23 0 0 0 4.CONSIDERATION FOR A LOT SPLIT FOR THE HOWARD PLACE LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HOWARD AND HERD.
CAMERON JOHNSON IS THE APPLICANT HERE.
I DID A PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WHO MUST HAVE GOT TELL THAT REPRESEN.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A LOT SPLIT, UH, AT THE PROPERTY AT SIX 16 WEST HERD.
UH, THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED AS A P U D IN 2022 AND THE LOT SPLIT CONFORMS TO THAT P U D.
UH, THE LOTS WILL BE, UH, 30 OR 3,260 SQUARE FEET ON THE NORTH AND 3,740 SQUARE FEET ON THE SOUTH.
EACH LOT HAS AN EXTENSION TO RE UH, REACH UTILITIES, MAKING THEM FLAG LOTS.
UH, THE ELECTRIC WILL BE MOVED UNDERGROUND AND NO ISSUES WERE NOTED BY STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR JUNE 20TH MEETING.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF RIGHT NOW? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? I'M TODD MCKEN.
I REPRESENTED, UH, CAMERON AND SCOTT LOPER AT THIS, THE PLANNING
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COMMISSION.THERE WERE NO ISSUES AT THAT TIME, SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY IF THERE ARE, BUT I THINK THIS WAS COMPLIANT EXACTLY LIKE RANDY SAID.
SO COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE COUNCIL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE EIGHT A.
[B. Case #SP22-00036 Public Hearing and Consideration of a Commercial Site Plan for University Heights Townhouses to be located at 329 E. Wayne, on the northwest corner of Wayne and University (Monster Monster, LLC) (Ward 1)]
SP 2020 DASH 0 0 0 36 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN FOR UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS TOWN HOMES, TOWN HOUSES TO BE LOCATED AT 3 29 EAST WAYNE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WAYNE AND UNIVERSITY.MONSTER LLCS THE APPLICANT IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.
YOU SAID THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR, UH, AN 11 UNIT, UH, BUILDING ON THE CORNER OF WAYNE UNIVERSITY.
UH, THIS, UH, SHOULD LOOK KIND OF FAMILIAR AS THE P UUD WAS JUST IN FRONT OF YOU.
UH, THE SITE PLAN CONFORMS TO THAT P U D UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE 37 FEET TALL AND A MIX OF BRICK, BRICK AND PLASTER VENEER.
UH, WITH THE VERTICAL CEDAR ACCENTS ON THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE ORIENTED TOWARD UNIVERSITY.
UH, THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE, UH, SHOWS 11 PARKING SPACES, EIGHT ON THE WEST SIDE AND THREE TUCK UNDER SPOTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ROUGHLY RIGHT THERE, UH, THERE IS ONE VARIANCE TO DRIVEWAY SEPARATION TO THE EXIT DRIVE ONTO WAYNE, WHICH IS DOWN HERE TO THE SOUTH.
UH, IT'S ROUGHLY IN THE LOCATION OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY TODAY.
UH, IT CANNOT MEET THE 150 FEET REQUIRED FROM THE INTERSECTION OF WAYNE UNIVERSITY BECAUSE THE LOT JUST IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, STAFF DOES SUPPORT THAT VARIANCE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR JUNE 20TH MEETING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR STAFF? WOULD AN APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? BRANDON RAIDER? UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO WHAT RANDY SAID, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? COUNSEL, WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO ON EIGHT B? MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND.
[C. Case #Z23-00007 Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. _____ Rezoning from “A” Single-Family to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for Bryant Ave & Smiling Hills Blvd (previously known as Hallmark Farms), located on South Bryant, across from Smiling Hill Blvd. (Hallmark Farms Development, LLC) (Ward 3)]
CASE Z 23 0 0 0 7.PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 39 63.
39 63 REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO A P U D PLAIN UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR BRYANT AVENUE AND SMILEY HILLS BOULEVARD, PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS HALLMARK FARMS LOCATED ON SOUTH BRYANT ACROSS FROM SMILING HILL BOULEVARD, HALLMARK FARMS DEVELOPMENT, LLCS.
THE APPLICANT IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.
UH, THE, UH, ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY EXTENDS INTO OKLAHOMA CITY, WHICH WILL ALSO REVIEW A P U D FOR THAT PORTION OF THE SITE.
IT WAS, UH, RECENTLY APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, THE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE NORTH 8.2 ACRES THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED, HIGHLIGHTED.
THERE IS TRACT ONE AND TRACT TWO, UH, TRACT ONE ALONG BRYANT, WHICH HAS, UH, COMMERCIAL USES ASSOCIATED WITH THE E ONE RETAIL GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, BUT THEN FURTHER LIMITS TO THOSE USES, UH, WHICH ARE, ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE P U D, UH, PROHIBITING THINGS LIKE VAPE SHOPS AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES.
UH, TRACK ONE ALSO ALLOWS UP TO 30 LIVE WORK UNITS, UH, TRACK TWO.
THE EASTERN TRACK ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, OR OFFICE USE.
UH, THE LOT SIZE IS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET WITH MINIMUM WIDTH OF 50 FEET WITH SETBACKS REDUCED TO THE BUILDING CODE MINIMUMS. OTHER THAN THAT, THE, A SINGLE FAMILY STANDARDS APPLY.
UH, THE PD COMMITS TO MEETING ANY SENSITIVE BORDER STANDARDS, WHICH INCLUDES A SCREENING FENCE BETWEEN ANY COMMERCIAL AND EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH RIGHT HERE WOULD RECEIVE A SCREENING FENCE OF SOME SORT, UH, TO THE EAST AND WEST OR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH IS A P U D ALLOWING FOR ATTACHED TOWN HOMES.
UH, THE SITE DOES HAVE ACCESS TO UTILITIES, ALTHOUGH WASTEWATER MAY HAVE TO BE PROVIDED BY OKLAHOMA CITY AS DICTATED BY THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE.
UH, DETAILS ON THAT WILL HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT AT SITE PLAN.
UH, THE EDMOND PLAN 2018 DESIGNATES THE AREA SUBURBAN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHILE MOST MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.
CATEGORI IS CATEGORIZED BY COMMERCIAL STRIPS ALONG ARTERIAL STREETS SUCH AS BRYANT.
IT PROMOTES DEVELOPMENT STYLES, UH, PROMOTING WALKABLE INFILL PROJECTS WITH COMMERCIAL
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ALONG MAJOR ARTERIALS THAT DO NOT EXCEED, UH, A 20% INCREASE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA DENSITY, WHICH IS DEVELOPMENT MEETS, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED LIMITING THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS TO 35 FEET, WHICH WAS AGREED TO AND INCLUDED IN THE P U D BEFORE YOU, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AFTER JUNE 20TH MEETING.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? SURE.
BOX FIVE TWENTY TWO CALL COURT DRIVE.
AS RANDY SAID, IT'S A BIT OF A UNIQUE PROJECT IN THAT, UH, WE, WE STRADDLED THE, THE LINE.
SO WE HAVE A P U D APPLICATION GOING SIMULTANEOUSLY IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE CITY COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION IN OKLAHOMA CITY, UH, WAS UNANIMOUS IN THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, JUST LIKE EDMUND'S PLANNING COMMISSION WAS.
UM, PRIOR TO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WE DID HAVE A, A FAIRLY LARGE SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AT OKLAHOMA CHRISTIAN IN WHICH THREE SEPARATE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS WERE INVITED.
UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUTTA THAT WERE THE HEIGHT, THE LIMITATION OF MARIJUANA AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
SO WE, WE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING WE COULD TO LIMIT ANY IMPACT THAT COULD HAPPEN.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A PURELY EDMUND STANDPOINT, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER THAT EXISTS BECAUSE OF TOPOGRAPHY BETWEEN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT EXISTS TO OUR NORTH OR NORTHEAST.
THE SINGLE FAMILY PIECE ON THE EDMOND SIDE IS VERY SMALL.
I THINK THERE'S ONLY THREE LOTS.
THE MAJORITY OF THE EDMOND SIDE WILL BE, UH, RETAIL OFFICE, ET CETERA.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WE'D ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YOU ANSWERED MINE.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A C COMMUTING NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THERE WAS, YEAH, IN FACT, WE, UH, REACHED BACK OUT TO THE HOA FOLKS, UM, WITH OUR REVISED DOCUMENT.
UH, WE STILL HAD TIME BEFORE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
WE OFFERED A A SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND WERE TOLD BY AT LEAST THE HOA FOLKS THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD AGREED TO EVERYTHING THEY ASKED, THEY DIDN'T SEE A, A NEED FOR IT.
THANK I I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SINCE WE ARE STRADDLING IN THE LINE, UM, HOPEFULLY IN YOUR, IF, IF THIS PASSES AND GOES ON, THAT THERE'S EDUCATION OF THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO'S AT EDMOND AND WHO'S NOT IN, I GUESS THAT WE, SINCE WE DO HAVE OUR, OUR AGREEMENTS WITH OKLAHOMA CITY FOR FIRE AND, AND, AND POLICE, THAT THAT WILL, THAT'LL ALL WORK OUT THERE.
BUT, UH, CERTAINLY THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE COORDINATION AMONGST THE, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PERMITTING AGENCIES.
BUT YEAH, THE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT WILL, WILL CERTAINLY BE BENEFICIAL.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
THIS IS, THIS, THIS IS NOT, UH, I'M SORRY.
MA'AM, MA'AM, PLEASE, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I LIVE DOWN THE STREET, FAIRLY CLOSE.
YOU WANT VAPING AND MARIJUANA AND YOU WANT ALL KINDS OF STUFF GOING ON.
NOBODY CALLED MY HOA, NOBODY CALLED MY NEIGHBORHOODS.
I, WE LIVE WITHIN HALF A MILE OF THIS.
JUST ONE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT WAS CALLED PLEASE ADDRESSED US.
I THINK THEY SAID SO WOULD WHAT? THAT WAS MARIJUANA.
WELL, BUT THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE.
WE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THIS AS WELL, BUT THEY CANNOT SO HAVE THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF DIFFERENT HOMES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
AND THAT TRAFFIC ON THAT STREET IS RIDICULOUS ALREADY.
NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THAT TO ANY NEIGHBOR.
DID THEY SAY THAT TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? NO, NOBODY.
ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CALLED ONE, ONE.
WHAT IT IS, I'LL HAVE STAFF ADDRESS THAT.
THERE IS A DISTANCE BETWEEN THE APPLICATION THAT EFFECT THE PIECE OF THE PROPERTY AND HOW FAR WE GO OUT TO NOTIFY.
AND IT'S RAN IN WHEN IT'S 300 FEET FROM THE FEET BOUNDARY OF THE FEET.
WHAT, SO YOU'RE A HALF A MILE AWAY.
YOU'RE I'M WITHIN A HALF A MILE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE ALSO, WE HAVE THE SIGNS THAT ARE PLACED IN ON THE PROPERTIES TO NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY OF THIS MEETING.
UM, THE WATER IS BAD THERE, BUT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS GONNA AFFECT THAT.
UH, SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS IN CONSIDERATION.
A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
WE HAVE WEEKLY WRECKS DOWN THAT STREET ALREADY.
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A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND VAPING AND MARIJUANA NEAR SCHOOLS? NO, NO.YEAH, SO I'M JUST KIND OF UPSET ABOUT THAT.
I, THIS IS LIKE THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS, NOBODY INFORMED US.
AND IF THERE'S A SEPARATE PART THAT'S OKLAHOMA CITY AND A SEPARATE PART THAT WE'RE STILL AFFECTED BY THAT, WHETHER WE LIVE WITHIN 300 FEET OR A HALF A MILE.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND FIGHT AGAINST THAT.
UM, IS, IS THERE ANY WAY TO PETITION AGAINST THIS AT ALL AT THIS POINT? CAN OR DO I JUST PLEA, DO YOU GUYS CONSIDER LETTING, AT LEAST THE OTHER COMMUNITIES KNOW ABOUT THIS? IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY TO DO THAT? I'M SORRY.
WELL, THIS IS A REZONING MA'AM AND THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TIMES THAT THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE, FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THOSE OPPORT, WHEN WILL THOSE BE AFTER YOU APPROVE THIS? THAT'S WHEN THAT, THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THE, THE APPLICANT YOU CAN, YOU CAN, UH, TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE GONNA, UH, FILE.
AND SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER TIMELINE ON WHEN IT'S GONNA BE IN FRONT OF, UH, THE NEXT MEETING.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UH, MY NAME IS ALEX COUCH AND I LIVE ON SMILING HILL BOULEVARD.
I JUST MEASURED 500 FEET AWAY, SO JUST MISSED THAT 300.
UM, MY MAJOR QUESTION AND CONCERN IS WAS WERE THERE ANY ACTUAL TRAFFIC SURVEYS OR DONE, UM, PRIOR TO THIS? UM, CAUSE ON SMILING HILL BOULEVARD, WE'VE ALREADY GOT FOLKS WHO DRIVE DOWN THAT GOING 45, 50 MILES AN HOUR, UM, CONSTANTLY.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A SEVEN YEAR OLD AND A FOUR YEAR OLD SON PLAY OUTSIDE.
WE DON'T LET THEM PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD BECAUSE PEOPLE ALREADY DRIVE SO FAST DOWN OUR STREET.
UM, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WAS THERE ANY SORT OF STUDY DONE SO THAT WAY WE CAN KNOW, HEY, IT'S GONNA INCREASE TRAFFIC? CUZ PEOPLE USE PINE HILLS BOULEVARD, IT'S A THROUGH STREET ALREADY.
UM, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING DONE SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE, UM, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, THEN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, KEEP PEOPLE FROM DOING THAT OR, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, MY CLIENT'S WILLING TO INSTALL A, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, AS, AS INDICATED ON THE SITE PLAN.
NOW IT'S NOT AS EASY AS JUST SAYING WE WANT TO DO IT, WE HAVE TO GET IT WARRANTED.
WE'D HAVE TO HAVE OKLAHOMA CITY'S TRAFFIC COMMISSION, UH, AGREED TO IT.
WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHATEVER STEPS WOULD BE NECESSARY WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND.
UH, ON THE OKLAHOMA CITY SIDE, THERE IS, UM, IMPACT FEES THAT GO TOWARDS TRAFFIC.
SO EVERY BUILDING PERMIT THAT GETS, UH, PULLED, A PORTION OF THAT GOES TO A TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE IS PUT INTO A GENERAL FUND.
THE PUBLIC WORKS THEN HAS TO DEPLOY TOWARDS, UH, IMPROVEMENTS AS NEEDED.
SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING A STOPLIGHT.
IT JUST, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO GET IT PERMITTED BY EDMOND AND OKLAHOMA CITY.
AND I ASSUME IF YOU ADDRESS THE WATER PROBLEMS, UM, SO EDMOND'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH SWAB OR WHATEVER YES.
IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF VARIANCE TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH YOUR WATER AND WHENEVER YOU DECREASE THE PERMEABILITY.
SO, UH, JOHNSON ASSOCIATES IS THE, UH, CIVIL ON THE PROJECT EDMONDS PROCESS.
UH, MUCH OF THE DISMAY OF MANY OKLAHOMA CITY RESIDENTS IS MUCH MORE STRINGENT WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, DRAINAGE AND RUNOFF.
SO OUR PROJECT, THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL GET THAT BENEFIT OF HAVING TO MEET EDMUND'S HEIGHTENED STANDARDS AS IT RELATES TO DRAINAGE AND RUNOFF.
AND THAT WILL HAPPEN LATER ON.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST DOING THE ZONING CORRECT.
UH, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE WILL HAVE TO FILE A PLAT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SMALL, IT'S THREE LOTS MORE LOTS ON THE SOUTH IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO COME IN FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW, ALL OF WHICH ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS, NOTICED HEARINGS, UH, SO PLENTY OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE AND, AND ASK QUESTIONS.
WHAT'S YOUR SCHEDULE ON THE STOPLIGHT ISSUE? WELL, ONCE WE GET APPROVAL FOR, UH, ALL OF THE ZONINGS, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO CONDUCT A TRAFFIC, UH, WARRANT STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC AND, AND THE THINGS THAT EXIST THERE WOULD WARRANT A SIGNAL.
SO YOU'RE NOT COMMITTED TO DOING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
IF WE CAN GET IT APPROVED, IT'S NOT AS EASY AS A DEVELOPER JUST SAYING, WE WANT TO DO IT.
YOU HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN WARRANTS.
UM, AND IF WE MEET THOSE WARRANTS, WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING IT.
BUT IF CITIES SAY NO, BECAUSE WARRANTS AREN'T MET, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.
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AND THEN IF YOU WOULD, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE COMMERCIAL TRACK WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE TREES COMPLIANT WITH TITLE 22.IT'S DIFFICULT TO ANTICIPATE THE IMPACT OF TREE CANOPY ON THE RESIDENTIAL TRACT.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW? WHY IS IT DIFFICULT TO ANTICIPATE THE IMPACT OF TREE CANOPY ON THE RESIDENTIAL TRACT DUE TO NO TREE PLANTING OR PRESERVATION REQUIREMENT? WELL, THE RESIDENTIAL TRACT IS ONLY THREE LOTS, SO ANY IMPACT WILL BE MINIMAL.
OUR BELIEF IS THAT MOST OF THAT WILL HAVE TO BE UNDISTURBED TO ALLOW FOR PROPER, UH, DRAINAGE AND, AND RUNOFF CONTROL.
THE OKLAHOMA CITY PIECE HAS MORE, UH, OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
WE'RE THREE LOTS AT BEST ON THAT EDMOND SIDE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE, THE SIZE OF THE PLAT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THE TREE PRE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
SO THEY WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO MEET THAT.
SO I THINK WHAT, UH, FORESTRY WAS SAYING THERE IS THAT DEPENDING ON HOW THEY SITUATE THE LOTS AND SITUATE THE BUILDING PAD ON THE LOTS, THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
AND YOU ALREADY SHOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUFFER BETWEEN THERE.
SO THERE'S, WE HAVE A BUFFER ON OUR SIDE, BUT THEN ALSO, UH, ON THE EXTERIOR OR BOUNDARY, THERE'S ALSO A BUFFER THROUGH THE NATURAL, UH, CREEK.
SO I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS AND AS I ENGAGE AS A CITIZEN NOW SITTING ON COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY IT'S LIKE AN ALPHABET SOUP AND A NEW LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAVE TO LEARN SORT OF UP APPEARS.
WE PICK UP THINGS OF PLATS, PUDS.
I OFTEN HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GET OUT THE, THE URBAN DICTIONARY TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT.
SO I CAN, I CAN EMPATHIZE WITH RESIDENTS WHO, YOU KNOW, DON'T UNDERSTAND OR KNOW THE PROCESS, MAYBE SAW A SIGN OR DIDN'T OR NEIGHBOR ALERTED THEM TO.
AND IT'S NOT THEIR DAY TO DAY TO COME TO A CITY COUNCIL, UH, MEETING.
SO IF STAFF FOR THE BENEFIT, BECAUSE WE HAVE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE AS FAR AS THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT PAST THIS, CAN WE GIVE A BRIEF, UH, EXPLANATION OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS MOVING FORWARD? AND WE'LL TRY TO STEER AWAY FROM USING ANY ACRONYMS. OKAY.
UH, SO THIS IS THE ENTITLEMENT PHASE WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE NEXT STEP, MORE THAN LIKELY FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE'LL BE A SITE PLAN.
SO THEY WILL APPLY FOR A SITE PLAN WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND.
WE WILL MAIL NOTICES OUT TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 300 FEET.
UH, AND THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND PERHAPS CITY COUNCIL IF THERE ARE VARIANCES REQUIRED, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PART THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SITE PLAN, THAT HAS WHAT WE REFER TO AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SO THEY WILL FILE A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION WITH THE CITY.
UH, ONCE AGAIN WE WILL MAIL NOTICE, UH, SAME PROCESS, IT GOES THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
UH, ONCE THAT'S DONE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND THEY GET ALL THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PUT IN, THEY WILL FINAL PLAT IT.
UH, NO NOTICE IS SENT WITH THAT, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER TWO-STEP PROCESS OF APPROVAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AND ADDRESSING ANYTHING AS COUNCILOR MOORE WAS SUGGESTING, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC STUDY WITH YOUR OFFICE, HOW DOES THAT WORK IN TANDEM AND HOW WOULD THAT BE ADDRESSED? TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE TYPICALLY SUBMITTED AT THE PLATTING OR IN THE COMMERCIAL CASE, IT'LL BE SUBMITTED AT THE SITE PLAN PHASE.
UH, SO IF THEY GENERATE OVER 100 PEAK HOUR TRIPS, ESTIMATING, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY ARE, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH WILL TELL US IF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS WARRANTED THERE.
IF IT IS WARRANTED, MEANING THAT IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE A STOPLIGHT OR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UH, THEN THE, UH, DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO PUT THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN.
AND I'VE ATTENDED EVENTS AT OKLAHOMA CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY AND UM, I'M AWARE OF SMILEY HILL BOULEVARD BECAUSE THAT DOES CUT BETWEEN BRYANT AND BOULEVARD.
HOW DOES YOUR OFFICE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS THE GENTLEMAN INTRODUCED AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ARE GONNA TAKE THAT PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE OF MEASURING THE SORT OF IMPACT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
SO TRAFFIC TO IMPACT ANALYSIS, LOOK AT CURRENT SITUATION, AND THEN THEY TRY TO PREDICT LIKE A GENERAL GROW GROWTH IN THE AREA AND THEN THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON EVERY ROAD AROUND EVERY MAJOR ROAD AROUND MAYBE NOT EVERY LOCAL CUL-DE-SAC, UH, SMILING HILLS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO YOU COULD SEE THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH FUTURE GROWTH ON SMILING HILLS.
SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, AS FAR AS SOMEBODY WHO'S NEW OR TRYING TO EXPLAIN AS FAR AS PEOPLE THAT THIS MIGHT BE THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE AT CITY COUNCIL AS THIS WOULD BE STEP ONE AND THAT THIS IS BEING PRESENTED TO US, THEN A STEP TWO WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO FILE THOSE, IT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A VOTE.
IF THERE'S ANY VARIANCES, MEANING THAT IT WOULD NEED A WAIVER ON ANY TYPE OF REGULATION FOR ITS ADOPTION, THEN IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY HAVE TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY.
UH, THEN A SECOND TIME NOTICES WOULD BE SENT OUT TO
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A 300, UH, FOOT RADIANCE.OBVIOUSLY THAT'D BE OPEN TO ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THAT.
THAT'S JUST PREVIOUS NOTICE, OF COURSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A FINAL KIND OF DETERMINATION.
SO THERE'S AT LEAST THREE TO FOUR STEPS PLUS A POTENTIAL TRAFFIC STUDY THAT COULD BE DONE BEFORE IT'S YES.
BEFORE DIRT STARTS MOVING, YES.
BUT ALSO IF, UM, RESIDENTS, THEY CAN ALSO CALL THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNCIL PERSON.
IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION BEING PART IN EDMOND, PART IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
SO DO THE PERSPECTIVE CITIES HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE OTHER CITY IS ON? WHAT'S IN THEIR, THEIR DISTRICT OR THEIR AREA OR NOT? UH, I'M NOT, THAT'S A GOOD QUE I'M NOT SURE WHOSE JURISDICTION SMILING HILLS IS.
I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THAT'S FULLY OKLAHOMA CITY OR FULLY EDMOND.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW BOTH.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, I JUST, I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE WITH, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC STUDIES WILL, WILL BOTH WHEN THEY RUN IT, DO THEY RUN IT FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT? THEY'LL RUN IT FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT, AND SUBMIT IT TO BOTH STUDIES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? I'M SORRY SIR, PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 1425 SMILING HILL BOULEVARD.
I LITERALLY LIVE ON THE CORNER OF BRYANT AND SMILING HILL BOULEVARD ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET.
IT'S EDMOND ON THE SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET IS TECHNICALLY OKLAHOMA CITY.
UH, WITH THE PAST WATER THAT WE'VE HAD, WHEN YOU'RE GOING SOUTH DOWN THERE AND YOU'RE HAULING DOWN THROUGH THERE 40 MILES AN HOUR, MOST PEOPLE, AND IT'S BEEN THIS WAY FOR YEARS AND IT'S WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.
UH, IF I'D HAVE KNOWN THE MARIJUANA THING WAS GONNA BE DOWN THERE AND THERE'S A SCHOOL RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, UHUH, THERE'S NO MARIJUANA THERE.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER, WOULD THE, WHOEVER'S DOING THIS, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'VE GOT NOW AND THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GETTING READY TO HAPPEN NOW, COULD YOU PUT SPEED BUMPS DOWN, UH, SMILING HILL BOULEVARD KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING 40, 50 MILES AN HOUR? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I DON'T KNOW WHO TO TALK TO ABOUT IT.
CAN YOU MENTION IT? WELL, THAT'S A COFFEE, THAT'S A, A, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING, UH, TECHNIQUE.
AND I THINK THE PROCESS WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO, AND THEN FOR THEM TO ALSO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.
AND TO PUT A, TO PUT A FOUR-WAY STOP, THERE NEEDS TO BE, NEEDS TO BE ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN THAT AREA.
AND I'VE GOT TWO OTHER NEIGHBORS HERE THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.
WE'RE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE.
AND THE TRAFFIC'S UNGODLY RIGHT NOW AND IT'S JUST GOING TO GET WORSE.
IS THAT CONSIDERED EDMOND OR OKLAHOMA CITY? THE ROAD.
WAIT, UNDERSTAND WHICH ROAD ARE SMILING HILLS? THAT PART OF THE ROAD? I, WE DON'T KNOW.
LOOKING AT THE GIS SYSTEM, I THINK THAT IS ALL IN EDMOND.
AND ALL THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED.
IT WOULD MAKE IT MUCH EASIER IF IT'S ALL IN ONE JURISDICTION OR THE OTHER TO ADDRESS.
AND ALL OF THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AS WE'RE THIS, IF, IF THIS PROJECT MOVES ALONG CORRECTLY.
THIS IS JUST PURELY ZONING, THIS IS ZONING TO GIVE 'EM THE RIGHT TO PROCEED.
SO ANOTHER, ANOTHER ACRONYM THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF IS SWAB, STORMWATER ADVISORY BOARD.
SORRY I DIDN'T, I SAID SCHWAB.
AND SO, UM, AS PART OF THAT, UH, IN REGARDS TO ANY STORMWATER CONSIDERATIONS, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD HAVE, OR RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE, COMMENT OR GIVE BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCES.
AND THAT PART OF THE DRAINAGE WOULD HAVE TO THEN GO THROUGH THAT CO COMMITTEE FOR ITS APPROVAL.
UM, SO THERE WOULD BE A CHECK IN THERE AS FAR AS ANY CONSIDERATION AROUND STORMWATER.
WHILE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING'S GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, WILL THEY ADDRESS THESE THINGS BEFORE THEY THEY THEY EVEN START? YES.
AND WE WILL ADDRESS 'EM AGAIN IF IT PASSES AND COMES BEFORE US.
DO I NEED TO BE THERE? Y YOU ARE WELCOME TO ANY PUBLIC MEETING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO COME TO.
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I WOULD, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO DO SO.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? I HAVE ONE.
PLEASE COME DOWN MA'AM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
MY NAME IS LINDA ELLINGER AND I LIVE AT 29 OF FOUR SMILING HILL BOULEVARD.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING FROM A LOT OF US, I THINK.
UM, THERE'S TWO CONSIDERATIONS.
WE'VE LIVED THERE SEVEN YEARS.
WHEN I MOVED IN, I NOTICED BECAUSE OF THE EARTHQUAKES AND DROUGHT, MY HOUSE WAS MOVING A LOT.
AND THEN I'VE TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES MOVE A LOT.
SO I CALLED POWER LIFT AND I WAS TOLD BY THEIR ENGINEER THAT THE ONE MILE AREA THAT I AM LIVING IN IS WHERE THEY HAVE MOST OF THEIR BUSINESS IN THE WHOLE UNITED STATES.
THE GROUND MOVES AND UP AND DOWN SMILING HILL, EVERYBODY'S UM, THEIR POSTAL BOXES, IF THEY'RE BRICK, THEY LEAN OR THEY SINK.
AND WHAT I HAVE FOUND IS THAT WHERE WE ARE USED TO BE A LAKE AND THERE HASN'T BEEN TOO MUCH CONSIDERATION, I DON'T THINK FOR ENGINEERING PURPOSES TO TAKE CARE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WHEN IT RAINS, WATER POURS OUT OF MY BACKYARD AND IT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
SO IT GOES DOWN TO SMILING HILL AND IT GOES DOWN BRYANT.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
THE EARTH MOVES BECAUSE WE ARE SITTING BETWEEN TWO BODIES OF WATER, IS WHAT I WAS TOLD THAT MADE THE LAKES, THEY'RE UNDERGROUND.
AND ON THAT PROPERTY UP THERE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE WATER, THERE IS A DRAINAGE.
IT JUST STRANGELY GOES UNDERNEATH.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WATER COMES OUT UNLESS IT STOCKS ALL THE LAKES AROUND.
AND SINCE I'VE BEEN IN EDMUND FOR SEVEN YEARS, I CAN'T SAY I'M, UM, VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HOW ANYBODY IN EDMOND HAS HANDLED THEIR TRAFFIC ISSUES.
BECAUSE TOO MUCH BUILDING IS GOING ON INSIDE A VERY SMALL CITY.
YOU'RE CRAMMING TOO MUCH IN THERE.
THAT IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE.
WHETHER WE HAVE A STOPLIGHT OR NOT IS NOT GONNA MATTER.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE LINED UP AFTER WE HAVE A MIDDLE SCHOOL, WE HAVE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AROUND THE CORNER AND THEN WE HAVE THE COLLEGE TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE.
BUT I DON'T HAVE FAITH IN ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL MIGHT DO.
I DON'T BECAUSE I SEE HOW YOU'VE RAN THE CITY AND I THINK IT'S VERY SAD, BUT DEVELOPERS ALWAYS WIN BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY TO BE MADE.
ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIT? YES SIR.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
WHAT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF CAN KICK IN THIS, WHAT I'VE HEARD.
JUST GO BACK HERE, A COUPLE OTHERS OVER HERE HAVE ASKED FOR HELP AND YOU'VE REFERRED THEM SOME OTHER COMMITTEES, OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
WHERE IS THE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THAT WARD? WHY ISN'T THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TAKING THESE PEOPLES CONCERNS AND GRIEVANCES, GETTING THEM ASIDE AND TALKING TO 'EM AND TELLING THEM WHAT THEY CAN DO VERSUS COME UP HERE AND GET THE CAN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD? THAT'S NOT RIGHT GUYS, THAT'S NOT GOOD GOVERNANCE.
WHERE IS THE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THAT WARD? THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BE SAYING, SIR, MA'AM, WHATEVER, COME AND TALK TO ME.
I AM YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER AND I WILL HELP YOU GET THIS DONE.
BUT ALL I HEAR IS CAN KICKING.
AS EVERYONE CAN SEE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY, THE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THAT WARD THREE IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
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IS KRISTEN MUG AND I'M SURE IF ANYONE CONTACTS HER, SHE WILL GET BACK WITH YOU.I DON'T THINK WE'RE PUTTING ANYBODY OFF.
I THINK WE'RE GIVING THEM OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO WHERE THEY CAN VOICE THEIR OPINION WHEN IT COMES TO THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE PROJECT.
RIGHT NOW THIS IS STRICTLY ZONING.
COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS ITEM? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT FIRST, MR. BOX, IS THERE ANY CHANCE YOU'D TAKE A COUPLE WEEKS AND TRY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THESE FOLKS? WELL, I MEAN WE HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN NOW AND WE HAVE TILL AUGUST 15TH AT OKLAHOMA CITY.
MY CLIENTS ARE HERE IN THE ROOM, SO THIS DOESN'T STOP THE CONVERSATION.
THERE'S MANY MORE APPROVALS YET TO, TO HAPPEN.
SO OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE GET THE NECESSARY APPROVAL SO WE KNOW WE CAN GO START SPENDING THE REAL MONEY TO DO THE REAL STUDIES.
AND AGAIN, ALL WE CAN GET OUT HERE IN THE HALLWAY AND MY CLIENT CAN GET WITH THESE FOLKS.
AND WE HAVE STILL A MONTH BEFORE WE EVEN GO TO OKLAHOMA CITY, CITY COUNCIL COUNSEL? YES MA'AM.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I'M MARTY RAY AND I BELONG TO HIM AND WE LIVE AT 1425 SMILING HILL BOULEVARD RIGHT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM HALLMARK FARMS. UM, WE MOVED THERE 24 YEARS AGO AND THERE WAS LIKE NOT TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AT ALL, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL SITUATION AND BECAUSE EVERYBODY FOUND OUT THAT SMILING HILL WAS A DIRECT SHOT TO BOULEVARD, MUCH EASIER THAN GOING TO 33RD OR TO MEMORIAL, THAT TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED HUGE BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE AROUND US.
UM, I AM MOSTLY CONCERNED WITH OUR BACKYARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THERE QUITE SOME TIME AND PUT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY INTO IT AND IT'S OUR LITTLE HAVEN AND IT HAS GOTTEN LOUDER AND LOUDER.
OUR HOUSE MOVES AND JUMPS AND BANGS WITH THE TRUCKS THAT GO DOWN BRYANT.
AND NOW WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE EVEN MORE.
THERE'S GONNA BE SHOPPING CENTERS AND MORE HOMES ACROSS THE STREET.
SO YOU KNOW, IT STANDS TO REASON THAT WE ARE UPSET AND NOBODY REALLY CARES ON YOUR SIDE OR THE DEVELOPER SIDE THAT WE KNOW OF.
AND YES, MAYBE YOU'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS, BUT WE HAVEN'T KNOWN ABOUT THEM.
WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
MY HUSBAND WENT DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA CITY AND THIS PART GOT CANCELED AND HE HAD, HE LEFT WITH NOTHING.
UM, THAT WAS IN, I DON'T KNOW, JUNE, MAY, JUNE.
AND UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE MEETING AT UM, THE COLLEGE, UH, NO, WE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I AGREE WITH HER.
IT'S LIKE, HEY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE ARE THE HOMEOWNERS.
I DON'T LIKE THINKING THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT ANOTHER EASEMENT RIGHT NEXT TO OUR FENCE, WHICH YOU PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO DO.
YOU WILL HAVE TO WIDEN THAT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND BECAUSE OF THE ENTRANCE.
AM I YOU? YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BE WIDENED, RIGHT? SO THAT EASEMENT IS GONNA BE TORN UP AND WE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THAT STREET AS IT IS AND WE ARE ALREADY GETTING ALL THE BANGS AND THE VIBRATIONS AND THE PATIO BEING BROKEN AND THE DRIVEWAYS BEING CRACKED FROM THE TRUCKS GOING BY AT NIGHT DURING THE DAY.
WE HAVE ALL THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND DURING, WHEN COLLEGE IS OPEN, WOW.
WE CAN BARELY GET OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY AS IT IS LIGHT OR NO LIGHT.
THAT'S JUST GONNA STACK UP MORE CARS RIGHT THERE.
SEE, YOU KNOW, UM, PEOPLE ZOOM AROUND OUR CORNER AND WE CAN'T ALLOW OUR, OUR
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DOG, OUR GRANDCHILDREN, ANYBODY OUT FRONT.SO WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE ABOUT THIS FOR THE HOMEOWNERS? NOTHING.
WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR PROPERTY VALUE? YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA WANNA MOVE IN A HOME THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO ALL THAT.
MA'AM, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DO HAVE THESE OPEN MEETINGS LIKE THIS AND THE APPLICANT RIGHT, IS STATED TODAY, THEY'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL TO ADDRESS AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
SO WHY DON'T THEY, WE DON'T KNOW THIS.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT WHO THEY ARE, WHERE THEY ARE, HOW TO CONTACT THEM.
YOU SEE WHERE WE WE'RE IN THE DARK AND IT'S NOT FAIR.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? AND SHE'S RIGHT.
OUR LITTLE TOWN OF EDMOND HAS JUST BOOMED AND NOW YOU GUYS CAN'T GO TOO MUCH FURTHER NORTH, SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA PACK IT MORE IN THE SOUTHEAST PART.
YOU KNOW, DOES ANYBODY CARE? NO, YOU'RE NOT LIVING THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE GRANDCHILDREN AND PETS, YOU DON'T HAVE DRIVEWAYS AND PATIOS THAT CRACK.
YOU DON'T HAVE BIG BOOMS AND SHOTS THAT GO ON DURING THE NIGHT BECAUSE OF TRUCKS.
AND I'M SORRY I'M UPSET, BUT I I'M KIND OF BEYOND LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN LEFT TOO MUCH IN THE DARK AND NOBODY CARED.
SO, UM, AND IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY.
SO I WOULD SAY WHAT WE NEED IS, UM, A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE IS, YOU KNOW, HAVING SERVED ON COUNCIL FOR TWO AND A HALF MONTHS, LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE TO LEARN SORT OF THIS CADENCE OF, I CALL IT THE ALPHABET SOUP OF JUST THE DIFFERENT WAY THAT GOES.
AND SO I CAN EMPATHIZE WITH CITIZENS WHO THIS MIGHT BE YOUR FIRST EXPERIENCE AT CITY HALL BECAUSE IT'S MUCH LIKE SPEAKING A FOREIGN LANGUAGE.
AND SO I RECOGNIZE THAT FEELING AS LEGITIMATE THAT YOU'RE HAVING IN THAT REGARD.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, UH, MY WIFE'S A THERAPIST, SHE ALWAYS THROWS A FLAG ON ME WHEN I SAY YOU NEVER, OR YOU ALWAYS, BECAUSE WHEN WE MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT, IT'S REALLY HARD CUZ IT TAKES AWAY THE SORT OF INTENT OF PEOPLE I KNOW.
SO I'M EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS, BUT I LIVE THERE.
AND SO WHEN I, WHEN I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE FRIENDS AT POWER LIFT WILL BE AT MY HOUSE IN TWO WEEKS PUTTING IN THREE DIFFERENT PI.
WE DID HAVE A HUGE LEAK IN OUR POOL THAT WE HAD TO FIX AND SETTLING GROUND AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
UH, MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO, UH, SEQUOIA MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND SO I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF HAVING TO TURN RIGHT OR LEFT TRAFFIC WHEN SCHOOL'S IN SESSION AS YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND KIDS PLUS, UH, GO IN AND OUT.
UM, AND SO, UH, I DEFINITELY HAVE EMPATHY IN REGARDS TO AS I THINK ALL OF OUR CITY COUNCILORS DO.
UM, THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE TIMES ALONG IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, I DO WORRY SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT WE'RE REPRESENTED AS WE DO HAVE OUR, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WHICH MEANS WHEN YOU LIVE IN A CERTAIN AREA, I DO KNOW THAT COUNCILOR MUG WHEN IS CONTACTED BY CITIZENS ALWAYS RESPONDS AND DOES SO PROMPTLY BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN HER RECORD YEAR AFTER YEAR.
THE, I THINK THE ONE TIME THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN HER AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN THE, ALL THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ATTENDING CUZ PEOPLE DO HAVE FAMILIES AND THINGS.
UM, BUT I CAN SEE AND EMPATHIZE WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, CITIZENS, UH, WANTING TO BE HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD.
AND UM, AND SO I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT MOTION OR WHATEVER, BUT I ALWAYS HAVE TO DO SO IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
UH, BUT I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, PUTTING THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA THIS MONTH CUZ THAT'LL BE BEFORE THE AUGUST THAT'LL ALLOW, UH, THE COUNSELOR TO BE HERE FOR THIS DISTRICT AND ALLOW, UM, FURTHER DIALOGUE WITH THE, WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO, TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PARTICULAR ISSUES BEFORE BECOMING A COUNCIL.
I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT MOTION ON HOW TO DO THAT, BUT IF YOU WOULD HOLD OFF ON THAT MOTION.
I'VE GOT A COMMENT REAL QUICK.
I'M, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO.
TWO OF YOU HAVE INDICATED THAT WE DON'T CARE THAT THE DEVELOPERS ALWAYS WIN.
WELL, THEY DON'T AND THEY SHOULDN'T ALWAYS WIN.
AND THE CITIZENS' VOICE COUNTS AND WE CARE ABOUT WHAT CITIZENS SAY.
AND SO FOR FOLKS TO INDICATE THAT WE'RE JUST SITTING UP HERE, BLANKFACE NOT LISTENING
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TO YOU.I'VE SAT HERE AND LISTEN TO EVERY WORD YOU'VE SAID, I'M PREPARED TO VOTE NO ON THIS RIGHT NOW, OR I'M PREPARED TO KICK THIS OUT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND HAVE THE APPLICANT HAVE SOME DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL.
BUT YOU CAN'T SAY WE DON'T CARE BECAUSE WE DO.
I CAN SEE THE ANGST ON THAT LADY'S FACE.
I CAN SEE THE ANGST ON YOUR FACE AND THE AGGRAVATION ON YOUR FACE.
I'VE WALKED A MILE IN YOUR SHOES.
I'VE HAD THINGS BUILT BY MY HOUSE.
SO YOU, YOU CAN'T SAY WE DON'T CARE.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO HOW WE THINK.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
YOU MAY THINK WE DON'T CARE RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT, AT 6 36, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, WE CARE.
AND MR. ROBBINS, IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION TO KICK THIS DOWN THE ROAD, TWO WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS, SIX WEEKS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU MAKE THAT MOTION.
AND I WOULD HOPE MR. BOX WOULD HEAR THAT AND HE WOULD GET AHOLD OF THESE FOLKS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND TRY TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE TIDY AND A LITTLE MORE, CUZ I BELIEVE I HEARD THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY MEETING HE HAD WAS OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE ABOUT THINGS.
WELL, APPARENTLY THESE FOLKS WEREN'T THERE, THEY WEREN'T INVITED.
THEY DON'T LIVE WITHIN 300 FEET.
SO MR. ROBBINS, WHATEVER MOTION YOU WANNA MAKE, I'LL SUPPORT MR. BARR.
YOU MAY CLARIFY APPLICANT SPEAK.
UM, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE WEST OF BRYANT.
IT WASN'T LIMITED TO 300 FEET, IT WAS THREE SEPARATE HOA GROUPS.
WE WERE CONTACTED BY THE PRESIDENTS OF THE HOA.
THEY DISSEMINATED ALL OF THE LETTERS.
SO IT WASN'T LIMITED TO 300 FEET.
AND IT WASN'T OVERLY POSITIVE.
WHAT I SAID WAS, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM THAT MEETING.
WE MODIFIED THE APPLICATION AND WHEN WE ASKED THE HOA PRESIDENTS, DO YOU WANT TO MEET AGAIN? WE WERE TOLD YOU DID EVERYTHING WE ASKED YOU TO DO, WE SEE NO REASON.
WELL, THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP.
WE'LL TAKE TWO WEEKS AND I GUARANTEE ALL THE APPLICANTS THAT COUNCILWOMAN MUG WILL RESPOND TO YOU, UH, BECAUSE SHE WILL REVIEW THIS COUNCIL MEETING TO SEE THE, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HELD TODAY.
SO, SIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION FOR US? UH, SO I WOULD MOTION, UM, UH, I, I MADE, I'D MAKE ONE COMMENT THEN A MOTION.
I THINK I BELIEVE IN TWO YEARS.
THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING THAT SHE HAS MISSED COUNCILOR MUG.
AND SO I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT COMMENT, BUT THEN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO LAY THIS OVER FOR, UH, TWO WEEKS.
SECOND TO, UH, REHEAR THIS CASE IN, UM, JULY 24TH.
[D. Case #SP23-00001 Public Hearing and Consideration of a Commercial Site Plan for 16 E. Campbell, The Unida (Ryin Jones) (Ward 1)]
NEXT ITEM IS CASE NUMBER SP 23 DASH 0 0 0 0 1 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN FOR 16 E EAST CAMPBELL.THE UNIT, UH, RYAN JONES IS THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR A MIXED USE BUILDING AT 16 EAST CAMPBELL.
UH, IT'S THE SITE OF THE PREVIOUS, UH, VFW LODGE.
UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE THREE STORIES TALL AND 15,825 SQUARE FEET WITH A MIX OF EVENT AND OFFICE SPACE ON FLOORS ONE AND TWO AND THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE TOP FLOOR.
UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE BRICK AND TRADITIONAL IN STYLE MATCHING THE REST OF A LOT OF DOWNTOWN ANYWAY.
UM, AS IS PREFERRED DOWNTOWN, THE BUILDING IS SET AT THE PROPERTY LINE ALIGNED WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON CAMPBELL.
UH, THE SITE ALSO HAS ALLEY ACCESS TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THE SITE PLAN DOES HAVE ONE VARIANCE REQUESTED.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING NOT TO PROVIDE PARKING AND HAS PROVIDED A LETTER OF JUST, UH, JUSTIFICATION CITING THE CHANGING NATURE OF DOWNTOWN WITH MORE RESIDENTS COMING.
UH, THE EXISTING ABUNDANCE OF PARKING IN THE AREA, UH, THE COMPLIMENTARY NATURE OF THE USE AND THE HOURS OF BUSINESS.
UH, MEANING THERE'S LIKELY TO BE MORE ACTIVITY IN THIS BUILDING IN THE EVENING AND THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES WILL BE OPEN DURING THE DAY.
AND THEN IT ALSO CITES THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE RIDE SHARE OPTIONS THAT HAVE THAN HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY AVAILABLE DOWNTOWN.
UH, THE ELIMINATION OF PARKING IS, IS THE CASE IN MANY URBAN DISTRICTS, AND THIS IS TO PROTECT THAT THE BUILDING STOCK IN THAT DISTRICT AND TO ENCOURAGE MORE URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE BELIEVE OUR URBAN DISTRICT IS HEADED THAT DIRECTION AS WELL.
UH, IN FACT, THE URBAN BOARD REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED THE PARKING ISSUE AT
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LENGTH AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SIX TO ONE AT THEIR JUNE 13TH MEETING.HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THE WAY THE, THE APPLICATION IS, UM, NOT TO PROVIDE ANY PARKING.
SO THERE, UH, THE APPLICATION BY RIGHT.
SHOULD BE PROVIDING 19 SPACES AND, AND THE, OKAY.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR STAFF? SO IS THIS THE FIRST, UM, IN THAT AREA, THAT CORE THAT HAS THAT FULL WAIVER THAT WOULD GO FROM LIKE A 19 TO A ZERO ON PARKING? IT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT I KNOW OF.
UM, BUT KEEP IN MIND, IF THEY WERE TO REMODEL OTHELLO'S INTO SOMETHING MORE INTENSE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE ZERO PARKING AS WELL.
WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY NEW BUILDS.
AND RESIDENTS ON TOP, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, THREE UNITS ON TOP OR THREE RESIDE, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK ON THE STREET OR IN A PARKING LOT OR ONE OF THE PARKING GARAGES THAT WILL EVENTUALLY SHOW UP DOWNTOWN? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.
WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET TO 'EM, WE'LL GET TO 'EM.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH STAFF FIRST.
AND TO MORE FULLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THEY MAY NOT NEED TO PARK.
I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE TO HAVE A CAR TO LIVE.
UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN WALK TO YOUR GROCERY STORE, YOU CAN WALK TO YOUR JOB.
IF YOU'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH THERE'S TRANSIT AVAILABLE DOWNTOWN.
FIVE 15 CLARAN DRIVE WILL BE THE OWNER AND OCCUPANTS OF THIS BUILDING.
WE COULD YOU HOLD MIKE UP? SO, YES, SIR.
SIR, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS, BUT I'M WILLING TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
COUNSEL, ANY MR. GEORGE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PROPERTY DOWNTOWN OR IS THIS YOUR FIRST DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE? THIS IS OUR FIRST COMMERCIAL DOWNTOWN.
HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING KIND OF IN A METRO AREA LIKE THIS? OR HOW, HOW DOES THIS FIT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES? THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WERE YOU ABLE TO HAVE A, SORT OF MEET THE NEIGHBORS AMONGST THOSE THAT YOU'D BE ABUTTING WITH AND KIND OF HAVE A CH DIALOGUE WITH THEM IN REGARDS TO PARKING, BECAUSE THAT'S EITHER GONNA HAPPEN NOW OR LATER WHEN PEOPLE ARE THROWING FISTS AT EACH OTHER? TRUE.
I, I'VE HAD CASUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH ONE NEIGHBOR AND I'M, I'VE, SIR, I CAN'T HEAR YOU FROM, I'M OPEN TO DISCUSS WITH ALL NEIGHBORS, UH, ABOUT THOSE ISSUES AND, AND ALLEVIATE CONCERNS.
SO YOU HAD DISCUSSION WITH ONE NEIGHBOR.
WHICH ONE WAS THAT, DO YOU KNOW? UH, SITE MR. UH, ZARI.
AND THEN THE OTHER, BUT THE OTHER BUDDY NEIGHBORS, YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHAT WITH HIM? NOT FORMALLY, NO, SIR.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THIS AND PUTTING SOME PARKING IN? I, I DON'T SEE HOW POSSIBLE WITH THE CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE TO DO PARKING.
UM, I, I BELIEVE IN, IN THE GROWTH OF DOWNTOWN.
AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADING.
I I BELIEVE IN FUTURE CITY PLANS THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE A REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE ASKED FOR THE VARIANCE.
IS THERE ANY, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT OR DISCUSSION TOO, AND I'D HAVE TO PULL OUT AND ZOOM ABOUT THE MAP AND GET MORE CLEAR ABOUT, I THINK IF STAFF ISN'T THERE SOME, ISN'T THERE SOME COST PER PARKING SPOT THAT'S ASSESSED ON A WAIVER? IS IT LIKE 17 FIVE OR SOMETHING? IS THERE SOME NUMBER ASSIGNED TO LIKE, THERE'S PER PARKING SPOT, THERE'S AN IN LIEU OF FEE THAT IS ALLOWED IN THE CODE.
SO IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY $145,000, I BELIEVE IS WHAT I CALCULATED IT OUT TO BE.
IS THAT PART OF THIS? DOES IT HAVE TO GET PAID AS PART OF THE DEAL? UH, NO, WE, TO DATE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY USE THAT.
UH, THEY'VE, THE OPTION HAS BEEN TO REQUEST A VARIANCE.
SO ONE, ONE LANE COULD BE I'M GONNA PAY X FOR A SPOT THAT'S GONNA BE CREATED OR DESIGNATED ELSEWHERE.
NUMBER TWO COULD BE, I'M JUST GONNA WAIVE THAT AND GET A VARIANCE AND GO FROM 19 TO ZERO.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, SO 17 FIVE, I THINK ON OUR PARKING GARAGE.
CAUSE I SAID ON THAT COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY COMPLEX, THE PRICE PER SLOT ON THAT IS 22 5.
UH, I THINK IT'S UPWARDS OF THAT IN THE PARKING GARAGE.
SO HOW DID WOULD BE MUCH LESS SO HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT 7,500 IN SOME TIME? OR HAS THAT BEEN A STANDING FOR A LONG TIME? UH, THAT'S BEEN THE STANDING FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S 7,507.
UH, THAT HAS BEEN THE STANDARD SINCE LONG BEFORE I GOT HERE.
SO AS WE LOOK TOWARDS DOWNTOWN, THERE MIGHT BE A THOUGHT PROCESS THAT, OKAY, WE HAVE A BUILDING HERE AND YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED IN CONDOS, I'VE LIVED IN DC I'VE LIVED IN DIFFERENT
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PLACES.I LIVED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE METRO.
WE STILL HAVE ONE CAR BECAUSE WE NEEDED ACCESS TO THAT.
IN ADDITION TO GOING INTO DOWNTOWN DC WE WERE ABLE TO PAY FOR A PARKING SPOT, WHICH IS A PREMIUM AD.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, A POTENTIAL RESOLUTION COULD BE FOR THOSE CONDO SPACES, THERE'S A SET ASIDE FEE THAT DESIGNATES OR THEY BUY FROM A PRIVATE LANDHOLDER AT A LOT NEARBY THAT SAYS, THESE ARE OUR THREE SPOTS OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SOME ACCOMMODATION THAT IN, IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN A AGREEMENTS, PRIVATE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN LANDHOLDERS TO, TO SHARE A PARKING IN THAT MANNER.
UH, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS ON THE HILLS OF OUR PARKING STUDY, WHICH SHOWED ROUGHLY 2000 EXCESS SPACES IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AND NEVER MORE THAN 52% OCCUPANCY IN OUR PARKING.
SO, I MEAN, THAT IS THE, THE THING THAT IS LEADING US TO, WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM.
WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE SURFACE PARKING IF WE CAN AVOID IT, AND WE DON'T WANNA LOSE OUR CURRENT BUILDING STOCK IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE MORE CARS.
SO IN THAT SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE 52% UNUTILIZED, RIGHT, OR 48% UNUTILIZED, 48% UNUTILIZED THAT FEE.
SO IF WE HAVE 48% UNUTILIZED, LET'S SAY THERE'S A FOOTPRINT OF A QUARTER MILE AROUND THAT BUILDING, THEN POTENTIALLY AT ANY GIVEN TIME THERE'S THREE AVAILABLE SLOTS.
SO IN THIS SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT MIGHT NEED SOME DEDICATED PARKING, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE AT THE BUILDING, THEN A AN ARRANGEMENT COULD BE MADE WITH A PRIVATE LANDHOLDER THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, LET'S DESIGNATE THESE FOUR SPOTS, UM, AS THIS COMPLEX OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HELD.
AND KEEP IN MIND THAT 52% AND THOSE EXTRA 2000 ARE PUBLIC SPACES AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR RANDY.
UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT PERCENTAGE, IS THAT INCLUDING THE PARKING GARAGES THAT ARE BEING BUILT? NO, THAT WAS AS IT STOOD THEN.
AND WE HAVE TWO GARAGES GOING IN.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE YES, THE ONE WITH, UH, THE OXLEY AND THEN THE ONE WITH THE CITY HALL COMPLEX.
AND THEY BOTH, THEY'VE ALSO ADDED ON STREET PARKING IN VARIOUS AREAS AROUND DOWNTOWN AND THEY'RE BOTH WILL HAVE FREE PUBLIC ACCESS.
THE OXLEY HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT SET ASIDE FOR PUBLIC USE AND THEN THE CITY CENTER WILL BE ALL PUBLIC KEYS.
DO THESE COME ONLINE AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME? DO WE KNOW, LIKE, DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU MIGHT, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF, IS THAT PARKING INVENTORY GONNA BE AVAILABLE AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU GUYS ARE, ARE GONNA BE, UH, WE'RE PROJECTED 54 WEEKS AFTER WE GET PERMITTED, SO WE'LL BE MORE THAN A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD.
THE OXLEY SHOULD BE OPENING WITHIN I THINK A YEAR AND A HALF, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS, UH, CITY CENTER, A LITTLE A AFTER THAT.
SO I, I, I JUST, I'M FUNDAMENTALLY CAN'T GET MY HEAD AROUND A BUILDING WITH ZERO PARKING, UH, NO HANDICAPPED PARKING.
UM, AND HOW ARE THINGS SUPPOSED TO TRAVERSE IN AND OUT OF THIS BUILDING? UH, THAT IF IT HAS A EVENT CENTER IN THERE, SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CARRY MATERIALS IN THERE.
UH, IF IT HAS A, A CATERING KITCHEN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CARRY MATERIALS IN THERE.
UH, IS THERE A LOADING DOCK AREA OR THERE'S BETWEEN THE DUMPSTER, IT'S AN ALLEY BETWEEN THE DUMPSTER AND THE, AND THE REC REQUIRED TRANSFORMER.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOADING ZONE AT THAT BACK.
DOES A PLAN CALL FOR THAT ALLEY TO BE CLOSED IN ANY WAY? NO.
JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, ALL THE DESIGN DISTRICTS, INCLUDING DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA CITY, SO THAT'S DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA CITY, AUTOMOBILE ALLEY MIDTOWN, THE PLAZA DISTRICT, UM, FORGETTING POEO, NONE OF THOSE HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE, FOR THE REASONS I SAID EARLIER, THEY TIRED OF SEEING THEIR BUILDING STOCK TORN DOWN, THEIR HISTORIC BUILDING STOCK TORN DOWN TO PROVIDE SURFACE LOTS, AND THEY WANTED TO SEE DENSE URBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT THERE.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? OKAY.
I'M TODD MCKINNIS AND I REPRESENT, UH, A COUPLE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS THAT OWN THIS BUILDING HERE AND PUT THAT PARKING IN THERE AND THAT OWNED THESE PROPERTIES HERE.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 29 YEARS AND THERE'S BEEN TWICE I'VE EVER SPOKEN IN OPPOSITION OF AN APPLICATION.
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RANDY AND I ARE GOOD FRIENDS AND I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THEIR PHILOSOPHY, BUT I JUST BELIEVE IN THIS CASE IT'S UNFAIR AND NOT RIGHT TO ALLOW A BUILDING OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET TO GO IN AND HAVE A STUDY THAT DOESN'T IDENTIFY HOW THE PARKING WILL BE HANDLED OTHER THAN JUST GENERALITIES.THE LETTER THAT REQUESTED THE VARIANCE MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE THE EVENTS ARE AT NIGHT, IT WON'T CONFLICT.
BUT YET THERE'S OFFICE IN RESIDENTIAL AND SURE, AN EVENT CENTER HAS LUNCHEONS FROM TIME TO TIME.
AND THEN MY CLIENT THAT BUILT THIS PARKING RIGHT HERE, I GUESS THE STAGING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENS SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON THIS SITE AND STAGE IT ALL THERE.
YOU CAN'T BUILD ON WHAT YOU'RE STAGING ON.
AND IF THE LOADING DOCK IS IN A PUBLIC ALLEY, THEN THAT IMPEDES MY CLIENT'S ACCESS IN AND OUTTA THEIR BUILDING.
AND, AND THE IDEA THAT THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION WITH THE REER FAMILY ABOUT THIS AND, AND THE IDEA THAT THESE PARKING GARAGES ARE SOMEHOW GONNA BE A PANACEA IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND.
DID THE LEY PROJECT, IT'S 273 UNITS WITH 330 PARKING STALLS.
30 OF THEM ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE PUBLIC.
I THINK IN A NORMAL PARKING SITUATION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE PARKING SPOT FOR EVERY ONE BEDROOM UNIT AND ONE AND A HALF PARKING SPOTS FOR TWO BEDROOMS OR MORE.
I THINK SOME OF THOSE ARE TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
SO I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THAT PROJECT.
I HAVE VERY LITTLE CONFIDENCE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF EXCESS PARKING AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ACROSS OUR ARROW TRACKS TO WALK ALL THE WAY OVER TO THIS SITE TO GO TO WORK, UH, OR TO LIVE OR TO GO TO A PARTY.
THAT JUST SEEMS INCONSISTENT EVEN WITH OUR MOST AMBITIOUS FUTURE FOR DOWNTOWN EDMOND.
RANDY MENTIONED THE POEO DISTRICT OR THE PLAZA DISTRICT.
AND I LOVE GOING TO THE PLAZA DISTRICT AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT SURFACE PARKING LOTS BEHIND THE MULE AND THE PRESS AND STRAIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, UH, PIZZA PLACE.
THOSE ARE PRIVATES, PARDON ME? THOSE ARE PRIVATE LOTS.
SO, BUT, AND SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
AND I KNOW THE CONCERN, HERE'S THE CONCERN THAT EDMUND HAS.
IF PARKING IS IN SUCH DEMAND, THEN WE'RE GONNA START TEARING BUILD DOWN BUILDINGS AND BUILDING SURFACE PARKING LOTS.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT THAT IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN.
RANDY JUST MENTIONED WE HAVE A THOUSAND SUPPOSED VACANT PARKING SPOTS AND I WONDER, IN MY MIND, IF WE HAVE A THOUSAND VACANT PARKING SPOTS, WHY ARE WE BUILDING A NEW PARKING GARAGE ON THE CITY'S NICKEL? BUT THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER DIALOGUE FOR ANOTHER DAY.
THE PROBLEM IS PROXIMITY, RIGHT? WE ALL PARK CLOSE TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
WE MAY BE THE MOST, UH, WALKABLE CITY IN THE WORLD, BUT WE'RE STILL A PETROLEUM BASED ECONOMY.
AND EDMOND HAS A HISTORY OF DRIVING TO MEETINGS AND DRIVING TO EVENTS AND NOT, THE PEOPLE IN THE LEY AREN'T GONNA BE THE ONLY ONES THAT OCCUPY THE ACTIVITY THAT TAKES PLACE THERE.
SO I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT THE REQUESTED VARIANTS HAS SOME REPRESENTATIONS THAT I DON'T THINK ARE ACCURATE.
AND THEN YOU COUPLE THAT ON THE IDEA THAT WE'VE NEVER, EVER IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY HAD A FULL VARIANCE FOR PARKING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S OUTSIDE THE REALM.
AND ESPECIALLY IF THE IDEA IS, WELL WHY WOULD I ASK FOR A VARIANCE WHERE IT COST ME ABOUT AN HOUR OF MY TIME AND THEN I SAVE $150,000 AND NOT PAYING A FEE IN LIE, THAT'S ALMOST OFFENSIVE TO THE ECONOMICS OF THE IDEA.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S UNFAIR THAT YOU HAVE ADJACENT LANDOWNERS WHO ARE GONNA HAVE TO FIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR PARKING THAT THEY'VE HAD TO PAY TO PUT IN.
AND THE REALITY OF IT IS THE REASON YOU DON'T WANNA PUT PARKING HERE, AND I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM.
I'M AS CAPITALISTIC AS ANYBODY.
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BUILD A BUILDING THAT YOU WANT IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO PARK ON THAT SAME SITE.
CUZ IF YOU HAVE TO PARK ON IT, IT CUTS INTO YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE, CUTS INTO YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE, ALL THREE LEVELS.
AND SO I JUST THINK THE IDEA THAT WE'VE COME TO THIS POINT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS AMORPHOUS SOLUTION WITH PARKING AROUND THE AREA.
SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE PATRIARCH I THINK BEFORE AND ON ANY GIVEN FRIDAY NIGHT, HALF THE POST OFFICE IS FULL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S RIGHT OR NOT.
IT'S NOT A CITY ASSET, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A PRIVATE ASSET, BUT PEOPLE JUST PARK WHEREVER THEY WANT.
I WAS AT A MEETING AT THIS BUILDING THE OTHER DAY.
I CAME OUT AT NINE O'CLOCK AND A GENTLEMAN WENT OVER HERE AND PARKED IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING WITH HIS BACKPACK.
AND I WAS STANDING THERE WITH ONE OF OUR FORMER CITY COUNCILMEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS WATCHING OR NOT, AND IT WAS RAINING.
SO THE GUY GOES IN HERE AND SUPPOSEDLY I GUESS DROPS HIS BACKPACK OFF IN HIS OFFICE AND HE CAME OUT IN THE STREET AND PARKED IN THAT SPOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TWISTED TREE BAKERY.
AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF THE IDEA OF AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT GOES AND PARKS IN FRONT OF A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAS ABOUT SEVEN SPOTS IN FRONT OF 'EM.
AND I HAVE GREAT CONCERN THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE ENTIRETY OF THAT PROJECT.
CAN THEY BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY? OF COURSE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE RULES, RIGHT? BUT THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN BUILD ON YOUR PROJECT AND REQUIRE YOU TO GET AROUND ALL THE RULES THAT WOULD IMPACT THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
THERE'S A REASON WE HAVE PARKING.
PEOPLE ASK ME ALL THE TIME WHAT THEY CAN DO ON PROJECTS.
I SAY, WELL, YOU KINDA HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR PARKING AND BACK INTO YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WELL, IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, AND THAT CHANGES THE WHOLE COMPETITIVE DYNAMIC FROM MY GUY HERE WHO'S HAD BROKERS THAT
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ARE IN THEIR OFFICES OR AGENTS ON SUN SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AND IN NIGHTS AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER TIMES.AND SO I JUST, UH, WOULD ASK THE CITY TO NOT GO AGAINST THE HISTORIC TRADITION OF NOT REQUIRING ANY PARKING.
AND IF THERE IS NOT GONNA BE ANY PARKING, I WOULD WISH THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD SHOW SOME SORT OF SOLUTION OTHER THAN THE AMORPHOUS IDEA THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE USING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO I'LL BE ANSWERING, ASKING QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
AND I, I, I WILL AGAIN SAY IT'S A RARE SPOT FOR ME TO NOT BE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT DEAL.
SO THE, UH, TO THE, LET ME GET MY BEARINGS CORRECT, BUT OVER HERE WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT PARKING WITH, AND THOSE ARE REAL ESTATE AGENTS GOING IN AND OUT.
THIS IS WHERE KELLER WILLIAMS IS.
AND THEN TO THE, AND THEN THERE'S A PROPOSED BUILD SITE DEAL, DFW, THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SIDE, AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, THAT SURFACE LOT IS PRIVATE, CORRECT? YEAH.
THAT GOES, THERE'S A TITLE COMPANY IN THERE AND THEN SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE ELLIS ISLAND IS IN HERE AND, UH, SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES ARE IN THAT SITE.
HELLO, LOVE AND A COUPLE OTHER RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS.
SAME THING HERE, ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOME OFFICE FILTERED IN THERE, ALL USING THAT PUBLIC PARKING PLAN.
AND THE, UH, YEAH, EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO THERE IS SOME QUESTIONS RAISED.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE PREPARED TO ANSWER, BUT ON THE QUESTION OF THE STAGING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, HAS THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE A NEIGHBOR IMPACT THERE, THERE IS WITH ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
HAS THAT BEEN KIND OF THOUGHT THROUGH WHERE SOME OF THAT STAGING WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN? SO THE THOUGHTS ON STAGING, IT'S, IT'S EITHER GONNA BE A SCENARIO WHERE IT'S DELIBERATE ON DAY AND WE ONLY, WE ONLY BRING IN WHAT WE NEED FOR THE DAY AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, OR WE HAVE CASUALLY SO FAR APPROACHED SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING EMPTY LOTS TO SEE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY AHEAD OF THEIR DEVELOPMENTS TO USE THOSE FOR A FEE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D WORK THROUGH, UH, AS WE APPROACH PERMITTING.
SO I'M KIND OF TAKING IN THE WHOLE OF THE COMMENTS.
ONE WOULD BE, SO THE Z HARI'S, YOU KNOW, ON THAT BUILDING RIGHT THERE WITH ELLIS ISLAND, THE ONE JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, SO YOU'VE HAD DIALOGUE WITH HIM, THE ONE JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, YOU HAVEN'T MET THE OWNER, CORRECT? I HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE REER FAMILY, NO.
AND THEN THE ONE NEXT TO THAT, IN ADDITION, THOSE TWO LITTLE THINGS, THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION.
CORRECT? IT'S THE SAME OWNER YET.
AND I'M HAPPY TO WANT, AND THEN THE OPPOSITE OF THAT, THE SAME.
I MEAN MY, IT WOULD BE HISTORIC NOT TO HAVE ANY PARKING FOR THE MAYORS WHO'S TENURE LONG SURPASSES MINE.
I AM IN, I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT THE FUTURE WILL BE CHANGING IN REGARDS TO MOBILITY AND WILL HAVE DIFFERENT LAST MILE TRANSPORTATION.
AND THE GENERATION BEFORE ME IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH UBER, LYFT, AND ELECTRIC, ALL, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
I THINK THEY'LL, THERE'S DEFINITELY GONNA NEED TO BE A TRANSITION PERIOD.
WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR SENIOR COMMUNITY THAT ARE GONNA WANT ACCESS TO EVENTS, UH, AND BUILDINGS.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE UNPRECEDENTED TO SAY NO PARKING WITHOUT A CONVERSATION REGARDING IS THERE A DEDICATED SPOTTER AREA OR IF WE ENGAGE IN, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN AGREEMENT WITH A PRIVATE SURFACE LOT OR OTHER OWNER TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME DEDICATED SPACES, PARTICULARLY FOR, UH, THE CONDO TENANTS OR FOR OVERFLOW IN THAT.
SO WHAT I WOULD, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE WOULD JUST BE THAT DIALOGUE WITH THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE WHAT I'VE ALWAYS SEEN PART ON PARKING AGAIN AND AGAIN IS IT EITHER GETS WORKED OUT NOW OR DIALOGUE NOW WITH SOME RELIEF OR IT'S FISTICUFFS THAT SPILLS OUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE, ARE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, TIKTOK, TIKTOK VIDEOS WORTHY VIDEOS OF TWO PEOPLE BACKING INTO THE SAME SPOT THAT FEEL THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO A CLAIM TO SOMETHING THAT'S NEARBY.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, OR AT LEAST THAT'S DISCUSSED JUST WITH THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT AREA TO SEE IF THERE ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S OBVIOUS THAT CAN'T BE RESOLVED.
UH, BECAUSE I KNOW THOSE DEVELOPERS IN THAT AREA HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY'VE HAD TO COME UP WITH CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AS WELL.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY GENERAL THOUGHT ON IT.
I, I DO HAVE, I DO HAVE ONE ISSUE AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE, WHAT IS GETTING READY TO COME ABOUT DOWN THERE.
UH, WITH THE, WITH THE URBAN AREA, I, I A HUNDRED PERCENT GET THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, SOMETHING THAT KEEPS COMING TO MIND WITH MY BACKGROUND IS, IS, UM, AND, AND MAYBE THERE ISN'T ANY HANDICAP ANYWHERE ELSE, BUT I DON'T SIT ON EVERYBODY ELSE'S COUNSEL AND SO I SPEAK FOR THE HANDICAP OR THE ELDERLY THAT CAN'T.
I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ELSE, UM,
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NOT REAL, NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S GOING.UM, BUT I, I CAN'T WIPE MYSELF CLEAN OF NOT PROVIDING OR HANDICAPPED.
AND THAT, I WOULD COMMENT THAT THE, THERE IS HANDICAP ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS NOT THE MOST CONVENIENT AS HAVING TO CROSS THAT INTERSECTION.
I WOULD URGE IF THE CITY WAS INTERESTED IN PUTTING HANDICAP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, THAT WOULD BE A, A SOLUTION TO THAT.
UM, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE WOULD DO THAT IS IF WE, IF WE SCRAP THE PROJECT, EVEN WITH THE VM BOOT, WE WOULDN'T MM-HMM.
I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING, UH, SOMEBODY IN A WHEELCHAIR GOING ACROSS IT.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY FAVORITE SINGERS IN THE SONG IS JONI MITCHELL, BIG YELLOW TAXI AND, UH, PAVE PARADISE TO PUT UP PARKING LOT.
WELL THAT'S ALREADY A PARKING LOT, SO WE'RE NOT PAVING PARADISE.
I THINK YOU NEED TO PUT IN SOME PARKING AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THAT IS, BUT, UH, IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING AND IT'S GOTTA BE, AND AS MS. PETERSON SAID, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME HANDICAP SPOTS THERE.
THIS ISN'T MID MIDTOWN MANHATTAN WHERE THEY'RE GONNA WALK TO A BODEGA AND CATCH A SUBWAY TO WORK.
SOME OF 'EM ARE, AND YOU GOTTA FIX THAT.
THE MOST LIKELY BE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WE'LL LEAN INTO THE UNIVERSITY COMMUNITY.
I, I'M SORRY SIR, CAN'T HEAR YOU.
YOU'RE GONNA BE WHAT I SAID THE MOST LIKELY BE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WE'LL BE LEANING INTO THE UNIVERSITY FOR, FOR POSSIBLE TENANTS.
OKAY, WELL I WISH YOU WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION, GET BACK WITH MR. ENTS AND THE URBAN BOARD, SOMEBODY AND, UH, FIGURE OUT SOME PARKING SPOTS AND SOME, SOME HANDICAPPED SPOTS PARTICULARLY, UH, YOU KNOW, AND AS MR. ROBINS SAID, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME DELIVERY AT, AT FOR YOUR EVENTS.
I MEAN, THE, THE CONCEPT'S GREAT, AND I WISH YOU THE BEST AND I HOPE YOU BUILD SOMETHING THERE THAT'S WONDERFUL.
BUT IT JUST NEEDS A LITTLE WORK IN MY JUDGMENT.
WELL, WE STILL HAD ANOTHER CITIZEN.
IT WAS MONTHS AGO THAT WE SAT HERE AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING GARAGE AND I GOT ASSURANCES FROM MRS. MUG THAT THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE FREE.
NOW I UNDERSTAND, SIR, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE ONLY 30, WHAT'S A DIFFERENT, SIR, PLEASE ADDRESS US.
IS THE PARKING GARAGE STILL FREE BASED ON ALL OF THIS? AND I, UH, IS THERE SO MANY THAT'S FOR ONLY FOR EDMOND, UH, EMPLOYEES WORKING AROUND OR YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWING 30 FOR REGULAR PEOPLE TO COME IN PARK IN THAT PARKING GARAGE? WHAT'S THE STORY PLEASE? I'D LIKE TO GET CONFIRMATION HERE.
IS IT NOT FREE OR IS IT FREE? IT'S FREE PARKING.
FREE PARKING, THE CAR PARKING GARAGE.
DOWNTOWN'S GONNA BE FREE PARKING.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE? I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING IN A MORE URBAN, WE WANT MORE MOBILITY, WE WANT MORE WALKABILITY.
UH, I KNOW PEOPLE AT THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW, THEY WENT SOMEWHERE IN THEIR UBERING BACK.
I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING, IT'S COMING TO REALITY, BUT, UH, I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS A STEP TOO FAR BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SO HUGE, UH, AN EVENT CENTER, A WORKING KITCHEN, UH, AND RIGHT NOW THIS THE WAY PEOPLE PARK, IT'S LIKE WATER.
THEY TAKE THE LEAST RESISTANCE.
I COULD, I COULD SEE ALL OF THE, I COULD SEE JUST TOW TRUCKS STAYING IN THE AREA TO, TO TOW THE CARS AWAY.
UH, HOW DO, HOW DO CITIES, WELL, MY QUESTION IS HOW DO WE FUNDAMENTALLY GO INTO THIS DIRECTION, BUT MAYBE NOT AT SUCH A LARGE SCALE? THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S JUST A COMMENTARY COMMENT I HAVE.
THERE WAS NO OTHER, UM, CITIZENS COMMENTS COUNCIL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS ITEM? UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.
YES, PLEASE COME ON DOWN TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, CONNIE.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE, UM, THE STRUCTURE OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, HAVE YOU GUYS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE, THE ISSUE WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, HOW THEY ARE WEIGHTY AND IF THEY'RE PARKED ON THE UPPER LEVELS, HOW THEY COULD CAUSE, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS? HAVE YOU GUYS TAKEN THAT INTO
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CONSIDERATION? MA'AM, THAT ISSUE RIGHT THERE IS NOT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION HERE.THIS, THIS, THERE'S NO PARKING GARAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
SO THERE'S, OKAY, I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS GOING ON THEN.
MR. ANS WHAT DO YOU THINK IT'D TAKE TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION AND GO BACK TO YOUR DEPARTMENT, UH, TO COME BACK HERE? I MEAN, IT WOULD DEPEND ON SCHEDULE.
SO WE COULD DO THAT IN TWO WEEKS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO URBAN BOARD.
UH, I MEAN, TO BE QUITE FRANK, THEY DISCUSSED THE PARKING ISSUE AND THAT THAT WAS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THEM.
SO DELAY, UH, A CONTINUANCE TO, TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WHEN YOU THINK YOU COULD PULL THAT OFF WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT? I, IT'S MORE ON THEM TO GET TOGETHER AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO SAY TWO WEEKS AND IF IT HADN'T HAPPENED, WE COULD KICK IT OUT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS.
THEN YOU WANNA DELAY THIS A MONTH? MY SCHEDULE'S UP ON, SO ANYWAY, WOULD WHAT WOULD YOU WE'RE ASKING YOU SIR, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE, YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TWO WEEKS? WE LIKE TO INITIALLY START THE, SO WE, CUZ WE HAVE TO PUT A DATE CERTAIN IN THERE THAT WE WANT TO, UH, I WOULD PUSH FOR TWO WEEKS AND I'LL REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORING PARTY.
I HOPE YOU'LL COME BACK WITH SOME PARKING SPOTS.
MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM FOR TWO WEEKS.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO JULY 24TH.
[9. Executive Session to discuss pending claims or actions: Skelly vs. City. (Executive Session authorized pursuant to 25 Okla. Stat. Section 307(B)(4).]
WE NEED A MOTION TO GO TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.OKAY, WE NEED A MOTION TO COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO MOVE SECOND.
WE'RE OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.
[10. Consideration of action with regard to claims or actions: Skelly vs. City.]
A MOTION NOW, MR. MAYOR? I'D MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE CITY ATTORNEY TO PROCEED WITH THE SETTLEMENT AND THE SKELLY CLAIM.PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE THEN MOTION HAS BEEN APPROVED.
[11. Citizens Comments - (This is an opportunity for citizens, both resident and non-resident, to address the City Council on city related matters not on the council agenda. Citizens must sign up to speak either online by 3:00 p.m. the day of the City Council meeting, or in person by the start of the meeting. Remarks should be directed to City Council as a whole and limited to three minutes or less.)]
COMMENT.THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS, BOTH RESIDENT AND NON-RESIDENT TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON, UH, CITY RELATED MATTERS NOT ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.
CITIZENS MUST SIGN UP TO SPEAK EITHER ONLINE BY 3:00 PM THE DAY OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, OR IN PERSON BY THE START OF THE MEETING.
REMARKS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
FIRST RESIDENT IS LEONARD SCOTT.
MR. MAYOR, YOU'RE REMINDED THE CODE OF CONDUCT OF ETHICS IN YOUR CITY GUIDE BOOK STATES.
THE FIRST PRINCIPLE OF GOOD GOVERNANCE IS THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY GOVERNMENT IS DOING BASED ON THE CODE OF ETHICS.
I WANT TO KNOW, IS THE CITY, THE NEW CITY CLOCK, THE PEOPLE'S CLOCK OR YOUR PERSONAL CLOCK IN WHICH YOU DECIDE RULES USING THE OKLAHOMA MEETINGS ACT DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE I'M ASKING A QUESTIONING CONCERNING GOOD GOVERNANCE.
IS THE CLOCK YOUR OURS OR IS IT YOURS, SIR? OKAY.
THE REASON THIS COUNCIL REDUCED CITIZEN TIME TO SPEAK DURING CITIZEN, UH, COMMENTS FROM FIVE MINUTES TO THREE
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MINUTES, WHAT IS YOUR REASONING FOR MAKING THAT DECISION? USING CITIZEN TIME? OKAY, MR. MAYOR, CITIZENS WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU REMOVED NEW BUSINESS FROM THE AGENDA WITHOUT CITIZEN KNOWLEDGE AND CONSENT AND DID SO WITHOUT GIVING CITIZENS REASONS.THE GUIDEBOOK SAYS THIS NEW BUSINESS IS STILL IN THE GUIDEBOOK.
WILL YOU GIVE REASON WHY IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE? OKAY, MR. MAYOR, WHY WILL THIS COUNCIL NOT PLACE AMENDING CITY, CITY CHARTER? ARTICLE 11, RECALL OF ELECTED OFFICERS, OFFICIALS ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
WE CITIZENS HAVE ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT HAVE NO REASON WHY YOU WON'T PLACE ARTICLE 11.
BE ON THE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
WILL YOU NOW GIVE YOUR REASON USING CITY TIME? OKAY, MR. MAYOR, WILL THIS COUNCIL NOT FORM? AND AFTER? WHY WILL THIS COUNCIL NOT FORM AN AFTER ACTION REVIEW COMMITTEE TO REVIEW POLICIES DICTATED TO THE PUBLIC DURING COVID 19? CITIZENS HAVE REQUESTED THE COMMITTEE BE FORMED AND THIS COUNCIL REFUSES TO TELL US WHY THEY WILL NOT FORM THE COMMITTEE WILL THE CITIZENS WILL, WILL YOU SIR? NOW TELL US USING YOUR TIME.
MR. MAYOR CITIZENS REQUEST A APPLIED PRESENTATION TO INFORM THE PEOPLE ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE PURCHASE OF LAND FOR A TRAIN STATION IN NORTH EDMOND.
WHY IS A TRAIN STATION NEEDED? WHAT ARE THE FUTURE PLANS FOR SOME KIND OF A PASSENGER TR TRAIL, UH, RAIL SERVICE? AND WHO IS THE AUTHORITY TO BILL SUCH A PASSENGER RAIL SERVICE? THE CITIZENS WANT TO KNOW, WILL YOU APPLY? NOPE.
THE NATIONAL FLAG AND STATE FLAG ARE, SHOULD BE PLACED BEHIND THE PODIUM FOR YOU ALL AND BE PRESENTED IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER.
AND OUR STATE NATIONAL SYMBOLS DESERVE, WE REQUEST THOSE FLAGS BE PLACED IN THE RIGHTFUL PLACE.
LASTLY, CITIZENS WANT TO KNOW IF ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD COMMUNICATED, COMMUNICATED TO THEIR WARD, CONSTITUENTS, CONSTITUENTS THE NEED FOR A PASSENGER RAIL SERVICE TO OKLAHOMA CITY AND NORMAN WITH KERMAN ESTIMATED COST AND TIME OF CONSTRUCTION TO BE COMPLETED.
HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS EMAILED OR SENT A NEWSLETTER TO THE CONSTITUENTS? IF NOT, WHY? THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO BE THE PEOPLE.
AND I WANT TO GIVE A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO YOU, MR. ROBBINS, FOR ADVOCATING ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SEE VERY OFTEN UP HERE.
AND, UM, REGARDING THE REMARK ABOUT HOW, HOW PEOPLE UP THERE CARE ABOUT PEOPLE OUT HERE.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS AND I'VE SEEN ONLY A FEW CASES WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE VOICE OF THE CITIZENS WAS HEARD AND WAS TAKEN INTO EFFECT.
AND, UH, ONE OF THOSE CASES WE HAD TO DO A PETITION TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
AND ONE OF THE TIMES WHEN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN WAS BECAUSE OF A BEEF YOU GUYS THE CITY HAD WITH THE, UM, THE BUILDER OR CONTRACTOR OR WHATEVER.
SO, UM, TO HEAR YOU GUYS SAY THAT IT, IT DOES NOT SIT WELL WITH ME AND IT DOES NOT SIT WELL WITH THE PEOPLE THAT I SEE UP HERE REPEATEDLY, REPEATEDLY, LIKE THAT LADY WHO WAS LOSING CONTROL BECAUSE YOUR GUYS' DECISIONS TO ADHERE TO A CITY PLAN INSTEAD OF REPRESENTING YOUR CONSTITUENCY IS WHAT IS SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS REGARDING FUNDS, THE WAY YOU GUYS SPEND OUR TAX MONEY.
I, I HEAR FROM SO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THE ROADS.
YOU GUYS HEAR FROM SO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THE ROADS, UH, COFFEE CREEK.
I'VE HAD VARIOUS PEOPLE FROM COFFEE CREEK COME AND TELL ME THAT THE, THE GAPS IN THE ROADS.
AND I WENT AND LOOKED AT THEM AND I COULD HAVE SHOWED YOU IF WE COULD USE THIS UP HERE, BUT YOU DON'T ALLOW US TO USE IT.
YOU DO ALLOW THE BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS TO USE IT AND ANYBODY ELSE, BUT THOSE ARE NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
YOU ARE USING, YOU HAVE SHOVED 81 MILLION BURDEN DOWN DEBT DOWN OUR THROAT, DOWN OUR CHILDREN'S, AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN'S THROAT.
YOU NOW ARE THIS, YOU SOLD US THAT THIS TRANSIT STATION IS GONNA BE FOR THE BUSES.
WELL IT WAS REALLY FOR A TRAIN STATION.
WE'RE FINDING THAT OUT AND YOU GUYS ARE HANDING OVER IN DOING THE TRAIN STATION AND ALL OF THAT.
YOU ARE HANDING OVER JURISDICTION TO A FEDERAL, UH, RAILWAY AUTHORITY.
AND, UM, THERE ARE VARIOUS CITIES AROUND THAT DID NOT AGREE TO DO THAT.
UH, GUTHRIE MORE MIDWEST CITY DID NOT AGREE, DID NOT LATCH ONTO THAT IDEA.
BUT YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU GUYS HAVE AGREED TO THAT.
WHY ARE YOU GIVING AWAY THE AUTHORITY OF OUR CITY TO A FEDERAL ORGANIZATION? WHY ARE YOU SHOVING BIG CITY LIVING DOWN OUR THROATS? WE ARE HERE AS
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A SUBURB.WE ARE HERE FOR A WAY OF LIFE AND YOU GUYS ARE CONSTANTLY TAKING IT AWAY.
AND UM, I RECENTLY SAW A COMMERCIAL OF MR. DAVIS STANDING IN FRONT OF THE, I THINK IT'S THE LARK, THOSE 350 TO $500,000 TOWN HOMES WHERE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WE NEED TO ALLOW EVERYBODY, WE NEED TO HAVE FAIR HOUSING AND WE NEED TO PAY FOR IT.
WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY, WE SHOULD, OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE FUNDING FAIR HOUSING FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME AND LIVE WITH IN EDMOND.
[12. Comments from Mayor and City Councilmembers.]
UM, COMMENTS FROM THE MAYOR AND THE CITIZEN AND THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE WE HAD A VERY GREAT FOURTH LIBERTY FEST.UH, WE HAD A BUNCH OF NEW VOLUNTEERS THIS TIME FOR THAT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR.
AND I THINK THAT OUR HISTORY MUSEUM DID A WONDERFUL JOB.
UM, ONE COMMENT ANNOUNCEMENT I'LL MAKE IS, UM, UH, WHEN WE DID THE RECYCLING DEAL, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING AN OPEN HOUSE FOR THE PUBLIC.
BUT TUESDAY, JULY 25TH, FIVE 30 TO 7:00 PM AT OUR CROSS TIMBERS MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, WE'LL WELCOME ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS TO LEARN ABOUT THE NEW RECYCLING GLASS THAT'S BEEN ADDED.
UH, THERE'S QUESTIONS ONLINE ABOUT HOW DO I GET A RECYCLING BIN? CAN I HAVE TWO? WHAT'S RECYCLED? ALL THAT.
WE'LL HAVE A TOUCH OF TRUCK THERE THAT WE PROMISED TO WASH, UH, BEFOREHAND, BUT IT'LL BE A GREAT EVENT FOR, UH, ANY ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE RECYCLING PROGRAM OR JUST ASK QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE? TELL ALL RIGHT.
YOU HEAR THAT LITTLE VOICE IN YOUR HEAD.