[1. Call to Order.]
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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS SPECIAL MEETING ON THE ARCADIA LAKE MASTER PLAN AND THE VICTOR SPORTS TOURISM AND FIELDS REPORT IN ORDER.
[2. Presentation and discussion of Arcadia Lake Masterplan by LandPlan Consultants, Inc. ]
TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY MANAGER, SCOTT RIGBY TO START US OFF.COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR PROBABLY BETTER PART OF ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF, AND SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.
UH, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE DRAFT REPORT IN VARIOUS FORMS OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, BUT TODAY WE WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A REVIEW OF THE FINAL DRAFT AS WELL AS THE ALL IMPORTANT FINANCIAL, UH, IMPACT, UH, RELATED TO THAT.
SO WE'LL TURN OVER BRAD, OUR PARKS AND RECS DIRECTOR.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME EXCITING INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR.
WE WANT HEAR FROM OUR PRESENTERS, BUT WE'RE FIRST GONNA HEAR FROM JULIE GRAFF AND SHE'S GONNA PRE PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE ARCADIA LAKE MASTER PLAN.
AND SHE'S FROM LAND PLAN CONSULTANTS.
WE'VE ASKED EACH OF THE PRESENTERS TO PRE PRESENT FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES UNTIL ALLOW TIME FOR QUESTION AND ANSWER FROM, FROM THE COUNCIL.
UM, WE WILL SHOOT FOR THE NEXT PRESENTATION NO LATER THAN FOUR O'CLOCK.
THE NEXT PRESENTER WILL BE WALTER FRANCO FROM VICTUS ADVISORS, AND THEY PERFORM THE SPORTS FACILITIES ASSESSMENT.
AND BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO JULIE, I JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE ALL THE VOLUNTEERS CONTRIBUTORS THAT HELPED MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
THERE'S A TON OF PEOPLE THAT GAVE A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF 'EM ARE IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE TURNING TUNING IN ONLINE.
AND JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS AND AND TIME ON THIS PROJECT.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JULIE.
UM, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH ALL OF YOU TODAY.
UM, AND JUST TO ECHO THE SAME WORDS, UM, THIS HAS BEEN AN AMAZING PROJECT AND THE CITY STAFF, THE LAKE STAFF, THEY'VE ALL BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH.
UM, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THEIR EFFORTS TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE.
AND, UM, A SPECIAL THANK YOU, EVEN BEFORE WE GOT STARTED, THERE WAS A TASK FORCE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT AND HELPED MOVE EVERYTHING ALONG, GOT ALL THE WANTS AND NEEDS AND DREAMS OUT THERE ON THE TABLE.
SO THERE'S LIKE, UM, LIKE BRAD SAID, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF LAND PLAN CONSULTANTS.
UM, THIS IS THE ARCADIA LAKE MASTER PLAN PRESENTATION.
UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA QUICKLY RECAP THE PROCESS AND THE SCHEDULE THAT WE WENT THROUGH.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MASTER PLAN REPORT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THESE LAST THREE PARTS OR WHAT WASN'T INCLUDED LAST TIME WE SPOKE.
SO THERE'S THE PRIORITIZATION AND THE PHASING OF THE MASTER PLAN, THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS SUMMARY, AND THEN ALSO SOME FINAL GRAPHICS.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT GOING THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT PHASES, DATA COLLECTION, FACILITIES, ASSESSMENTS.
NUMBER THREE IS A VISIONING PART OF THE PROJECT.
NUMBER FOUR IS THE ACTUAL MASTER PLANNING WHEN WE START TO PUT EVERYTHING DOWN ON PAPER.
NUMBER FIVE IS THE IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH IS PHASING COST ESTIMATES.
HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THIS BUILT? AND WE DELIVERED THE FINAL PLAN IN MAY.
THIS IS WHAT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS LOOKS LIKE.
I KNOW IT'S VERY SMALL AND I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED, BUT I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH.
SO THE FIRST PART IS ALL ABOUT PROCESS.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT, THE DIFFERENT TASKS THAT WE WENT THROUGH DURING THIS PROCESS.
THE NEXT PART IS OVERALL LAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT DIDN'T NICELY FIT INTO ONE PARTICULAR PARK.
SO THERE'S SOME OVERALL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION, UM, THOSE ARE PARK RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO SPECIFIC TO THE FIVE PARKS THAT ARE AT ARCADIA LAKE.
AND THEN THE LAST PART IS THE COST OF SERVICE ANALYSIS.
SO THIS FIRST SECTION, THE MASTER PLAN IS ALL ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT TO.
WE REITERATED, UM, THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS THAT WE HAD.
WE DID SITE INVENTORY AND ANALYSIS.
WE HAD A PUBLIC PRESENTATION TO THE LAKE COMMISSION BOARD.
THERE WAS A PUBLIC SURVEY THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND WAS, UM, AMAZING AT FACILITATING.
I THINK THERE WERE OVER 4,000 RESPONSES TO THAT SURVEY.
UM, PRELIMINARY DESIGN HAPPENED AFTER THAT.
WE HAD ANOTHER PUBLIC PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL AND THE LAKE BOARD.
UM, AND THEN THE FINAL REPORT WAS PRODUCED AND NOW WE'RE PRESENTING.
UM, THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF IMAGES TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH DURING DATA COLLECTION.
SO WE LOOKED AT EACH PARK SITE, DID A SITE ANALYSIS FOR EACH PARK.
WE LOOKED AT INFORMATION LIKE BATHOMETRIC, MAPS OF THE LAKE.
UM, WE LOOKED AT, IT'S HARD TO SEE 'CAUSE THEY'RE VERY LIGHT AND RED, BUT CONTOURS FOR EACH PARK.
WE LOOKED AT FLOOD MAPPING FOR EACH PARK.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE THAT GOES UP ONTO THE LAND, THAT'S THE FLOOD LEVELS, UM, WITHIN THAT PARK.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, UM, OLD GROWTH FOREST MAPPING.
SO WE REALLY TOOK A LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES AND CONSTRAINTS ON EVERY PARK SITE WHERE, UM, NEW AMENITIES
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MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO WITHOUT, UM, DAMAGING THE NATURE THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.UM, WE LOOKED AT FACILITIES ASSESSMENTS.
THE IMAGE UP ON THE RIGHT IS, UM, ONLY RESTROOMS. SO THERE'RE 19 RESTROOMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT NEED TO BE, UM, IMPROVED UPON.
AND SO THOSE ARE ALL PRIORITIZED.
AND THEY'RE SEPARATE FROM INDIVIDUAL PARKS BECAUSE THEY SPAN THE WHOLE LAKE AREA.
UM, AND THEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM YOU'LL SEE THE, THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY.
AND LIKE I SAID, THERE WERE OVER 4,000 RESPONSES TO THIS SURVEY.
AND SO THIS IS A SORT OF A GRAPHIC SHOWING YOU, UM, THE THINGS THAT WERE HIGH ON THE LIST.
UM, THESE ARE ALSO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
AND I SHOWED THIS LAST TIME I WAS HERE.
IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THE RANKING OF THINGS THE WAY THAT WE DID THE SURVEY.
WE ASKED IF MORE FUNDING WAS GOING TO BE PROVIDED AT THE LAKE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT GO TOWARD? WHAT AMENITIES? SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXISTING, BUT YOU WANNA SEE IT IMPROVED UPON, YOU COULD HAVE CHECKED THAT BOX.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST, BUT YOU WANT FUNDING TO GO TOWARD THAT NEW AMENITY, YOU COULD HAVE CHECKED THAT BOX.
BUT THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT PEOPLE JUST WROTE IN, UM, AND 40 COMMENTS.
IT WAS THE LARGEST NUMBER OF COMMENTS WRITTEN IN WERE FOR RESTROOMS. SO YOU CAN START TO SEE THAT.
RESTROOMS WERE VERY HIGH ON THE LIST.
UM, I THINK MAYBE I SAID THOSE THAT WAS THE HIGHEST, BUT ACTUALLY TRAILS WAS HIGHEST, WAS 67 COMMENTS.
SO HUGE DEMAND FOR TRAILS, HUGE DEMAND FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN RESTROOMS. UM, SO THE NEXT STEP WAS TO MEET WITH THE TASK FORCE.
THEY HAD ACTUALLY GATHERED AND CREATED, UM, A TASK FORCE SUMMARY THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BEFORE WE STARTED THE PROJECT.
SO WE NEEDED TO MEET WITH THEM TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEIR DESIRES WERE, TALK THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THEY HAD BEEN THROUGH.
THEY, THEY HAD A VERY INTERESTING MISSION TO BALANCE THE RECREATION WITH, UM, THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND WE HEARD THAT DURING THE SURVEY TOO.
DON'T, DON'T CREATE SO MANY THINGS OUT THERE THAT YOU LOSE TRACK OF.
YOU KNOW, WHY PEOPLE GO OUT TO ENJOY NATURE.
THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE RECEIVED IN, IN THE REPORT THAT THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER.
SO FOR EACH CATEGORY, LIKE HUNTING OR FISHING, THERE, THERE WERE, UM, PRIORITIES, THERE WERE ASPIRATIONS, AND THEN THERE WERE DREAMS. SO THEY, THEY HAD KIND OF ALREADY TOLD US WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR, AND THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
UM, THE OVERALL RECOMMENDATIONS, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, UH, VERY PARK SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE THINK SHOULD HAPPEN AT CARL REMAN PARK.
BUT THEN THERE ARE THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY FALL INTO ONE PARK IN PARTICULAR.
SO SOME OF THESE WERE TRASH AND DEBRIS REMOVAL.
THERE'S A SECTION OF THE MASTER PLAN REPORT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE TRASH THAT COMES DOWN FROM THE DEEP FORK AND WHERE IT STARTS.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN ABOUT HOW TO REMEDIATE THAT.
UM, CLEARING AND SELECTIVE CLEARING VERSUS, UM, PRESCRIBED BURNING.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT QUITE A BIT.
AND THERE'S SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT, THE RESERVATION SYSTEM AT THE PARK.
HOW DO YOU RESERVE A CAMPSITE THAT'S ALL BEING UPGRADED.
UM, AND SO THERE'S A SECTION ABOUT THAT.
SO ALL OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY FALL INTO ONE PARK IN PARTICULAR.
OVERALL TRAIL RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THINGS THAT COULD BE IMPROVED UPON FOR ALL THE TRAILS, SOFT SURFACE TRAILS, HARD SURFACE TRAILS.
SOME OF THEM ARE EXAMPLES LIKE, UM, HAVING A FAMILY OF SIGNAGE DOWN ON THE LOWER RIGHT.
SO ALL THE SIGNS START TO LOOK THE SAME.
AND YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS CEDAR POSTS AND METAL SIGNS, SO THEY'RE LONG LASTING.
UM, AND THEN PEOPLE GET A SENSE THAT THEY'RE IN A PLACE THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED AND IT ALL LOOKS UNIFORM.
UM, THIS IS THE, JUST THE OVERALL PICTURE OF THE SOFT SURFACE TRAILS.
I FORGOT TO MENTION AT THE BEGINNING WE HAD, UM, A SOFT SURFACE TRAILS CONSULTANT.
LAND PLAN CONSULTANTS DESIGNED THE MASTER PLAN FOR ALL THE PAVED TRAILS BACK IN 2014.
BUT WE BROUGHT IN, UM, PROGRESSIVE TRAIL DESIGN.
THEY'RE A, UM, MOUNTAIN BIKING SOFT SURFACE TRAILS EXPERT.
UM, AND THEY CAME IN AND HELPED DESIGN ALL THE SOFT SURFACE TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, WE ALSO HAD MATRIX CONSULTING.
THEY WERE THE FINANCIAL PIECE, THE FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS.
SO THEY REALLY WORKED WITH THE LAKE STAFF, GATHERED ALL THE DATA ABOUT, UM, REVENUE AND CURRENT COSTS, AND THEN HELPED TO ANALYZE ALL OF THAT.
UM, WE ALSO HAD JOE MOORE CAMPGROUND CONSULTANTS.
SO WE DID A WHOLE SWOT ANALYSIS OF THE CURRENT CAMPGROUNDS.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S HOW WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON CAMPGROUND IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, SO THEN WE, WE MOVED ON AFTER ALL THE OVERALL RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WENT AND LOOKED AT SPECIFIC PARK RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THE MASTER PLAN IS THEN BROKEN UP INTO THE FIVE PARKS THAT ARE EXISTING.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE ON THE LIST, THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY IS ANOTHER PIECE OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER NEAR POST ROAD AND, UM, ROUTE 66.
SO THAT CORNER PIECE IS NOT, NOT A PARK TODAY, BUT, UM, WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE PLANS ARE
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FOR THAT.SO EACH PARK SPECIFIC, UM, PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, THIS ONE FOR INSTANCE, IS FOR CARL RUMAN.
SO IT SHOWS A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN, UM, ALL THE MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND SO THIS IS THE WRITTEN FORMAT OF WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN FOR EACH ONE, UM, EACH PARK HAS A PHASING PLAN.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WOULD BE PHASE ONE, WHAT WOULD BE PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE.
AND THERE ARE ALSO COSTS THAT ARE BROKEN UP BY PHASE.
UM, AND THEN EACH PHASE IN PARTICULAR HAS AN ACTUAL FULLY DEVELOPED MASTER PLAN SHOWING WHERE EACH OF THOSE AMENITIES WOULD GO, WHAT THE FULL BUILD OUT OF THINGS LIKE PARKING, PLAYGROUNDS, UM, RESTROOMS, WHERE ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE LOCATED.
AND THEN, UM, WE CREATED SOME BEFORE AND AFTER IMAGES.
THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE THERE WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF SIDEWALK AND A KAYAK DOCK IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS IS THE BEFORE AND THE AFTER OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND THIS AGAIN, IS THE BEFORE AND AFTER.
UM, THERE'S A LOCATION WHERE I THINK IT WAS PLANNED FOR A FUTURE RESTROOM AT ONE POINT.
AND THIS WOULD NOT ONLY HAVE A RESTROOM, BUT A LARGE PAVILION AND A PLAYGROUND.
UM, UP AT THE TOP IS JUST THE PHASE ONE AREA OF CARL RUMAN.
AND IT BREAKS IT DOWN INTO INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS, UM, SO THAT YOU GET A VERY ACCURATE COST ESTIMATE FOR THAT INITIAL FIRST PHASE.
BUT THEN FOR EACH PARK, THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST, THERE'S MORE THAN JUST ONE PHASE FOR EACH PARK.
SO THERE'S OVERALL COST ESTIMATES FOR EACH PHASE AND DETAILED ESTIMATES IN THE BACK OF THE MASTER PLAN REPORT.
AND THEN AS FAR AS COST ESTIMATING GOES, UM, THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF EACH OF THE PARKS, THE DIFFERENT PHASES, THE TOTAL COST PER PHASE, AND THEN THE TOTAL OF ALL IMPROVEMENTS AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THE TOTAL OF ALL IMPROVEMENTS IS A WHOPPING $36 MILLION
UM, BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A PLAN THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 15 AND 20 YEARS FROM NOW, UM, THESE ARE ALL 20, $23 TOO.
SO AS TIME GOES BY, UM, CROSS ESTIMATES WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED AS ACTUAL PLANS ARE PRODUCED FOR EACH OF THESE AREAS.
UM, WE WERE ASKED AT ONE POINT, UM, TO ALSO LOOK AT THE, THE OTHER SEGMENTS OF PAVED TRAIL THAT HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETED.
SO AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE DID, UM, THERE WERE 17 MILES OF TRAIL AROUND THE ENTIRE LAKE, AND A LOT OF THOSE SEGMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, THESE ONES, SPRING CREEK TO CARL REMAN, WE UPDATED THE COST TO ESTIMATE FOR THAT USING TODAY'S DOLLARS.
CARL RUMAN TO THE O D W C TRAIL, THE O D W C TO THE DAM TRAIL.
SO EACH OF THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE COST ESTIMATE ALSO, SO THAT YOU HAVE CURRENT COSTS FOR COMPLETION OF THE PAVE TRAILS.
UM, NOW WE MET WITH THE LAKE STAFF AND CITY STAFF TO TALK THROUGH PRIORITIZATION.
SO NOW THAT WE KNEW WHAT THE PHASING MIGHT BE, UM, WE JUST BROKE UP THE PHASES INTO AREAS OF PARKS, NOT NECESSARILY, UM, BY PRIORITY.
AND SO THEN WE LOOKED AT EACH PARK AND WE SAID, OKAY, WELL WHICH PARTS OF THIS PARK NEED TO BE PRIORITIZED, NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IMMEDIATELY, UM, EITHER BECAUSE THEY WERE REQUESTED BY SURVEY OR BECAUSE THEY ARE IN IMMEDIATE NEED OF REPAIR.
AND SO THE YELLOW ITEMS ARE THINGS THAT, UM, WE ALL DECIDED BETWEEN ONE AND FIVE YEARS WERE A MAJOR PRIORITY.
UM, THE BLUE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE DONE BETWEEN THE FIVE AND THE 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME.
AND, UM, THE GREEN IS 10 TO 15 YEARS AND THE GRAY IS 15 PLUS YEARS.
SOME OF THE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TOO, SOME OF THESE ITEMS, IF THEY'RE IN LIKE THE 15 PLUS RANGE, THERE WAS ONE IN PARTICULAR.
UM, A NEW RESTAURANT WAS VERY HIGH ON THE REQUESTS FROM THE SURVEY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID, WOW, YEAH, IF THERE WAS A RESTAURANT OUT THERE AT THE LAKE, WE WOULD GO THERE.
BUT, UM, IN ORDER TO DO A RESTAURANT, SOME OF THOSE THINGS, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE LOCATION WHERE WE THINK THAT THE BEST, THE BEST LOCATION FOR A FUTURE RESTAURANT WOULD BE WHERE THE CURRENT LAKE OFFICES ARE.
BUT IN ORDER TO PUT A RESTAURANT THERE, THE LAKE OFFICES NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TO ANOTHER LOCATION WHERE WE THINK THAT THEY MIGHT END UP IN THE FUTURE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S HIGH ON, ON THE REQUEST LIST, SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT MAKE IT NOT POSSIBLE TO DO IMMEDIATELY.
SO, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT WENT INTO THOSE.
SO WE LOOKED AT, WE LOOKED AT PRIORITIES PER PARK, UM, AND THEN WE ALSO TOOK ALL THE ONE TO FIVE YEAR PRIORITIES FROM EVERY PARK AND PUT THEM INTO GROUPS SO THAT IT'S REALLY EASY FOR THE LAKE STAFF AND THE CITY MOVING FORWARD TO SAY, OKAY, WHICH THINGS WAS IT THAT WE SAID THAT WE WOULD DO WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
AND THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER, UM, IN ONE LOCATION.
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UM, WE ALSO HAD THE FINANCIAL ASSESSMENT PIECE OF THE MASTER PLAN.SO, UM, COURTNEY WITH MATRIX WAS ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE DATA THAT NICOLE SO GENEROUSLY PROVIDED.
UM, AND WE LOOKED AT ALL THE REVENUE AND ALL THE EXPENDITURES, AND THIS WAS THE RESULT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, BUT CURRENTLY THE LAKE HAS AN ABOVE AVERAGE, UM, COST RECOVERY AT ABOUT 94%.
UM, AND SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE RESULT OF HER STUDY AFTER SHE SAW THE PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT WE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT.
AND SHE SAW WHAT THE COST RECOVERY WAS INITIALLY.
UM, WHAT THIS SAYS IS THAT SHE EVALUATED THE FUTURE OPERATIONAL COSTS.
SO ONCE WE ADD THESE AMENITIES, WHAT ARE THE COSTS GONNA BE? 'CAUSE WE KNOW SHE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT PRETTY GOOD COST RECOVERY NOW, BUT WHAT WILL IT BE IF WE ADD THINGS TO THAT? SO THIS SAYS THAT THE COST, SHE LOOKED AT THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAPITAL AND THE MAINTENANCE.
SHE LOOKED AT ANNUALIZED BUDGET IMPACTS AND ALSO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REVENUE OFFSET.
THE DATA THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS COLLECTED FROM 20 20, 20 21, 20 22, AND THE FIRST PART OF 2023.
UM, AND THEN THE COST ANALYSIS, UM, SHE TOOK THE IMPROVEMENT COSTS THAT WERE ANNUALIZED.
AND SO THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE SAID, YOU KNOW, BE REALLY GREAT IF WE COULD BUILD THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
AND SHE TOOK THE COSTS FOR, UM, MAINTAINING THOSE AND LOOKED AT THEM OVER THEIR USEFUL LIFETIME.
AND THE RESULT WAS AN ADDITIONAL $204,000 IN COST OF SERVICE ANNUALLY.
IF YOU'RE GONNA ADD THESE AMENITIES, THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL COST THAT YOU NOW HAVE TO COVER.
UM, AND THEN DOWN BELOW THESE THREE BULLET ITEMS ARE THE FEE INCREASE OPTIONS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED.
SO, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS TO GO ABOUT LOOKING AT FEE INCREASES TO HANDLE THE MAINTENANCE, UM, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE INCURRED BY ADDITIONAL SERVICES.
UM, THERE'S A UNIVERSAL INCREASE, WHICH IS A FLAT 36%.
SO LIKE A DAILY ENTRANCE FEE, IT SHOWS IT WOULD INCREASE BY ONE POINT, UM, SORRY, BY A DOLLAR 97 CENTS.
UM, CAMPING FEES WOULD INCREASE BY $8.
SO, AND, AND THEN ANNUAL FEES WOULD INCREASE BY $22.
THAT'S ONE OPTION TO DO A UNIVERSAL INCREASE.
UM, THERE'S A TARGETED INCREASE WHICH INCREASES ANNUAL PASSES, 65%.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT WASN'T INCREASED RECENTLY WITH FEE INCREASES.
SO THAT WOULD BRING ANNUAL PASSES KIND OF UP TO SPEED WITH OTHER FEES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN INCREASED.
UM, THERE'S SPECIFIC INCREASES THAT, THAT'S THE LAST OPTION IS TO CONSIDER RECENT FEE INCREASES, BUT ALSO LOOK AT WHICH FEES BENEFIT FROM THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THERE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL COST MORE, BUT IF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT COST MORE ARE FOR RV USERS AND YOU'RE NOT AN RV USER, THEN MAYBE IT'S NOT THE DAY USE FEE THAT GOES UP IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE INCREASE IN SERVICE.
SO SHE LOOKED AT ALL THREE OF THOSE OPTIONS, UM, AND GAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE REPORT.
I THINK THAT WHAT THAT DOES IS IT GIVES THE CITY THREE DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT INCREASES IN FEE, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT, UM, YOU GUYS DECIDE ON, YOU'LL HAVE DATA AND INFORMATION TO HELP MAKE THAT DECISION.
THIS DOES NOT COVER THE COST OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF NEW IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, TYPICALLY THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION OF NEW IMPROVEMENTS.
ONCE YOU DECIDE THAT YOU'RE GONNA COMPLETE A PROJECT, LIKE A NEW SEGMENT OF TRAIL, YOU HIRE A DESIGNER, THEY DO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
SOMETIMES THERE'S A GRANT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT, LIKE AN OOC GRANT.
UM, AND SO ALL OF THAT, UM, GETS PAID FOR SEPARATELY.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO DETERMINE, UM, HOW TO HANDLE THAT.
SO WHAT WE, WE ONLY LOOKED AT THE COST OF MAINTENANCE AND SERVICE FOR THESE NEW AMENITIES, NOT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION.
UM, BUT THE COST ESTIMATES DO SHOW YOU WHAT THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE, SO YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.
UM, BUT THE COST ANALYSIS IS ONLY FOR THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE OF THOSE FACILITIES.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE SIDEWALK EXTENSION.
THIS ONE WE LOOKED AT PREVIOUSLY.
THIS ONE IS AGAIN, UM, CARL REMAN.
THIS ONE IS THE, UM, EDMOND FISHING POND AREA.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE BEFORE PICTURE DOWN BELOW.
UM, IT USED TO BE A FISHING POND, BUT IT DOESN'T CURRENTLY HOLD WATER.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S A VERY COOL LOCATION.
UM, SO ADDING A CLAY LINER AND ADDING BENCHES AND MAKING THAT A LOCATION WHERE YOU COULD HAVE FISHING DERBIES AND KIDS COME OUT AND ENJOY, UH, FISHING.
UH, THAT'S WHAT THIS IMAGE IS.
UM, WE ALSO TALKED WITH THE LAKE STAFF ABOUT REFURBISHING THE, UM, PAVILIONS THAT ARE OUT AT THE SITE.
SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF TAKING A PAVILION THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DATED AND CHANGING THE MATERIALS AND THE AESTHETIC OF
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THE PAVILION SO THAT IT, UM, BECOMES MORE ATTRACTIVE.UM, AGAIN, THIS IS THE CHEROKEE PAVILION.
UH, THERE'S EROSION ISSUES DOWN AROUND THE BASE OF THE PAVILION.
SO AT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, WE RECOMMENDED, SINCE THERE ARE STRUCTURAL CONCERNS, UM, THAT THIS ONE BE REMOVED COMPLETELY, AND THIS ONE IS ALSO THE MOST RENTABLE AND HIGHLY DESIRABLE.
SO HAVING A DECK THAT YOU COULD ADD ON TO IT, IT HAS WONDERFUL VIEWS OF THE LAKE.
UM, AND JUST MAKING AN AMENITY SO THAT YOU COULD RENT IT FOR WEDDINGS AND LARGE FAMILY EVENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BEACHES.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF EROSION ISSUES.
UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S NOT A SAND BEACH.
IT'S, UM, MORE OF A PEBBLE BEACH.
THIS ONE IS AT CENTRAL STATE PARK.
UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERNS WITH HOW MUCH SAND MIGRATES OFF THAT BEACH AND HOW MUCH EFFORT GOES INTO BRINGING IN NEW SAND AND THE ISSUES WITH SILTATION AFTER THE SAND HAS MOVED OUT INTO THE LAKE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS OF HANDLING THAT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY, SO THE CORNER OF POST, UM, ROAD AND HIGHWAY 66.
AND THE IDEA AT THIS LOCATION, THERE'S ALREADY A LARGE CLEARING, UM, WHERE THIS BIKE PARK IS PLANNED.
AND SO THAT AREA WAS, UM, A SITE WHERE FILL DIRT WAS DEPOSITED, UM, WITH THE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY THAT WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED.
SO IT'S KIND OF A NICE USE BECAUSE THE TREES HAVE BEEN CLEARED IN MOST OF THIS AREA.
UM, WE DO SHOW A BUFFER OF TREES ALONG THE ROAD.
UM, RIGHT UP HERE, THESE TREES ARE EXISTING AND WERE LEFT.
SO THAT WOULD PROVIDE A NATURAL BUFFER ALONG HIGHWAY 66.
BUT BASICALLY YOU COULD COME IN, THERE'S A, UM, A PARKING LOT TURNAROUND TRAIL HEAD AREA.
THERE ARE A LOT OF TRAILS THAT TAKE OFF TO THE SOUTH.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE ORANGE DIRT TRAILS.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS A BIKE PARK WITH MULTIPLE TRAILS THAT GO THROUGH IN A SMALL PUMP TRACK, UM, RESTROOM AND NATURE, UM, NATURE INSPIRED PLAYGROUND AREAS.
SO JUST A NICE SPOT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT WOULD NOT BE, UM, WOULD NOT BE A LOCATION LIKE THE OTHER PARKS WHERE YOU PAY TO GET IN.
IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A PUBLIC PARK.
UM, AND ALL THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ARE INCLUDED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT FOR THE BRIEF, UM, OVERVIEW OF THE WHOLE MASTER PLAN REPORT.
BUT AGAIN, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE ARE 200 PAGES, GIVE OR TAKE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, FOR THE HIGH LEVEL RUNDOWN, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
YOU, THE COMMENT WAS MADE DO NOT OVERBUILD MM-HMM.
SO HOW DO YOU, IS THERE A CONTINUAL EVALUATION OF BALANCING OF WHAT A PROJECT'S DONE TO SEE HOW ACTUALLY, ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED, WHAT IS THE TRUE BALANCE OUT THERE? I THINK THE WAY THAT WE MANAGED THAT WAS TO LOOK AT THINGS THAT ARE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE IF IT'S A NEW RESTAURANT, THAT'S A BIG IMPACT TO A SITE LIKE THIS.
BUT THE LOCATION THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR THE RESTAURANT IS CURRENTLY A LOCATION THAT'S RELATIVELY CLEAR AND HAS A DIFFERENT BUILDING USE ON IT.
SO THE REMOVAL OF THAT BUILDING AND THE ADDITION OF A NEW BUILDING DOESN'T IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A DEVELOPED SITE.
SO WE REALLY WENT THROUGH AND TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT IT WASN'T, UM, TAKING OUT FOR US.
THE, THE OVERLAY OF THE OLD GROWTH FOREST REALLY HELPED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T WIPING OUT LOCATIONS THAT HAD, UM, FOREST LOCATED THERE.
SO WE, WE PRETTY STRATEGICALLY, WE ADDED, UM, ANOTHER LOCATION AT, UM, SCISSOR TAIL.
WE ADDED SOME RV CAMPING, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO ADD THE RV CAMPING SPACES WHERE THERE WERE NO TREES CURRENTLY.
SO THERE WAS A CEDAR ERADICATION PROJECT THAT HAD OCCURRED PREVIOUSLY, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THE RV SPACES IN THAT LOCATION.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BALANCE NEW DEVELOPMENT BY PUTTING THINGS IN LOCATIONS WHERE DEVELOPMENT HAD ALREADY OCCURRED AND NOT PUTTING EVEN MORE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE AT THE LAKE.
SO ON THE COST ANALYSIS FOR, I GUESS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, SO THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD ALL COVER THE PROJECTED $204,000 INCREASE? YES.
ANY ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS? IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS.
UM, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE PUBLIC FEELS ABOUT THE FEE INCREASES.
I KNOW THERE WERE JUST INCREASES RECENTLY.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A COMPARATIVE STUDY OF WHAT OTHER LOCATIONS CHARGE FOR CAMPING AND DAY USE AND UM, RV.
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UM, THOSE COMPARATIVE COSTS ARE REALLY HELPFUL WHEN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE CHARGING VERSUS WHAT ARE ALL THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A 60 MILE RADIUS, WHAT ARE ALL THE OTHER FACILITIES CHARGING? SO WE REALLY, WE LOOKED AT THAT QUITE A BIT TOO.AND I THINK THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THE COST.
AND AS YOU GO, THE COST THAT YOU'RE CHARGING FOR DAY USE FEES OR CAMPING, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE REASONABLE WHEN YOU'VE JUST UPGRADED ALL YOUR RESTROOMS OR YOU'VE JUST, YOU KNOW, REPAVED ROADWAYS OR MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, THEN IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO CHARGE A FEW DOLLARS MORE FOR YOUR DAY USE FEE OR WHATEVER THE, THE CASE MAY BE.
SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS BEING NEW AS FAR AS THE COLLABORATION NEEDED? APPROVALS? UM, AS FAR AS DESIGN, IMPLEMENTATION AND CONSTRUCTION WITH OUR ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES DO WE HAVE THERE? UM, WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALWAYS INVOLVED.
UM, USUALLY LIKE WHAT, WHAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY IS WE'RE WORKING ON THE NORTHWEST TRAIL SEGMENT WITH THE CITY.
WE'VE WORKED ON DIFFERENT TRAIL SEGMENTS AROUND, UM, THE LAKE AREA.
SO WHENEVER THERE'S A NEW PROJECT, THE CORE OF ENGINEERS IS HEAVILY INVOLVED, UM, ON SOME OF THOSE TRAIL PROJECTS, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND THE ARMY CORPS REVIEWS THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS.
SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, BUT THEY, THEY ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT AND, UM, NEED TO BE INFORMED WHENEVER NEW DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.
SO LIKE ON THIS, WITH THE MASTER PLAN, HAVE THEY TAKEN A LOOK AT THIS AND HAVE THEY SORT OF REDLINED ANYTHING? OR IS THIS KIND OF, YOU DON'T GET APPROVAL UNTIL YOU GET APPROVAL, BUT ARE THEY IN SYNC WITH IT OR IS IT, DO WE COME TO THEM LATER? WHERE, HOW DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THEY'VE WORKED WITH US THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
SO WE'VE WORKED WITH JOSH MATHIS IN PARTICULAR.
UM, AND SO HE'S LOOKED AT DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT IDEAS.
IF WE HAD, THEY, WHAT THE MASTER PLAN WILL ALLOW FROM THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN FOR THE LAKE IS IT WILL ALLOW RECREATIONAL USES THAT SUPPORT, UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE LAKE.
SO IF IT'S A RECREATIONAL USE, TYPICALLY IT'S ALLOWABLE.
UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A RESTAURANT OR A FUEL DOCK, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WENT TO THEM ON IN PARTICULAR AND SAID, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS? THIS NOT NECESSARILY A RECREATION USE, IT MIGHT SUPPORT RECREATION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS DOABLE? AND THEN THEY HAND US THE, UM, THE REGULATIONS AND THE RULES THAT THEY HAVE FOR THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN WALKING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH US AND HELPING TO INFORM, SO THINGS LIKE THE RESTAURANT, THE FUEL DOCK, WE WERE ABLE TO GET ENOUGH, UM, APPROVAL FROM THEM THAT THOSE THINGS COULD BE ALLOWED AND ARE ALLOWED AT OTHER LAKES.
UM, TYPICALLY THEIR RESPONSE IS, WELL, SHOW US A PLAN OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
AND AT THE MASTER PLAN STAGE, IT'S MORE OF A, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE WE THINK THAT THE RESTAURANT MIGHT BE, BUT THERE'S NO SET SIZE.
WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO OPERATE IT YET.
AND SO WE CAN'T REALLY SHOW YOU A PLAN, BUT WOULD THIS USE BE ALLOWABLE? SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE ALLOWABLE.
I'M EXCITED THAT THAT COLLABORATION'S HAPPENING AT THE FRONT END COLLECTIVELY.
'CAUSE I'LL DEFINITELY HELP THOSE COSTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT ENTITY THAT REQUIRES DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES PLANS, IS THAT BAKED IN THERE OR DO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'LL BE AN ADDITION TO THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THOSE COST ESTIMATES ARE ONLY CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
SO YES, LIKE FOR A TRAIL THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION COST, BUT THEN THERE'S A COST TO UPDATE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
BUT THE COST FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WAS NOT ADDED INTO THOSE TRAIL COSTS, BUT IT'S, IT'S MINOR COMPARATIVELY.
UM, SO THAT PART WASN'T, WASN'T PART OF IT.
I THINK WE WERE REASSURED AT THE BEGINNING, WHICH WAS LOVELY ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CORE WITH EDMOND AND THAT HE WAS GONNA GO ALONG WITH THIS, I THINK, WASN'T HE INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE PROCESS? YEAH, JOSH WAS INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
AND DO WE HAVE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON CAMP THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE OR TWICE HERE, AND, UH, IN ADDITION TO THESE KIND OF LARGER IMPROVEMENTS, DO WE KNOW AS FAR AS THINGS LIKE ONLINE CAMPSITE RESERVATION, ARE THOSE IN MOTION IN ADDITION TO THESE BIGGER ITEMS? YES.
THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE KIND OF PUNCH LIST THAT WE CAN TAKE? YEAH.
AND THOSE, THOSE WERE ALL IN THE ONE TO FIVE YEAR RANGE, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ENTRANCES TO EACH PARK SITE.
AND THEN, UM, THEY'RE ALREADY UNDERWAY.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY'VE ALREADY, AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL IN THAT INITIAL OVERVIEW BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UM, PARK SPECIFIC.
SO THERE'S AN OVERVIEW SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT THE RESERVATION SYSTEM THAT'S COMING ONLINE.
UM, BUT YES, THAT, THAT PROCESS HAS ALREADY BEEN STARTED.
SO THERE'S, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED NOW I'M BLANKING.
IS IT CAMP LIFE? THAT'S, YEAH, CAMP LIFE IS THE RESERVATION COMPANY.
UM, AND SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE
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RESERVATIONS BEFORE YOU GET THERE INSTEAD OF CALLING THE PARK OFFICE AND THEN DIFFERENT FORMS OF KIOSKS TO ENTER THE PARK.SO THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY EXCITING UPGRADES HAPPENING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, COUNSEL? IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE RIGHT NOW WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A QUESTION COME ON UP AND WE'LL JUST HAVE YOU STEP TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT.
JULIE, WILL THE USERS AND THE NEIGHBORS BE ABLE TO, UM, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, MA'AM? I'M SORRY.
I LIVE ON RED ROCK LAKE LIP ROAD, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE NORTH OF REMAN PARK.
AND, UM, I'M CURIOUS, WHEN WILL THE NEIGHBORS AND THE PUBLIC BE ABLE TO OFFER THEIR PROS AND CONS, THEIR COMMENTS ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS? WASN'T THAT PART OF THE INITIAL PROCESS THAT THERE WERE ALWAYS CONTINUAL FEEDBACK WITH THE COMMUNITY? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WHERE'S THE CONTINUAL FEEDBACK? WHERE, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? WHEN, WHEN AND WHERE DO WE GET TO DO THAT? THIS ONE? SO THE, YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT, THERE WERE TWO, UM, TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS.
UM, BUT THOSE WERE INITIAL MEETINGS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE, SORRY, WHERE THINGS WERE PLANNED.
UM, NOW THAT THE WHOLE MASTER PLAN REPORT IS COMPLETE, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY, HOW YOU'D LIKE TO GO ABOUT PUTTING IT ONLINE OR PUBLISHING.
UM, WE'VE MOVED TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE ACCEPTING COMMENTS FROM THE CITY STAFF AND THE LAKE STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE FINAL, UM, LITTLE UPDATES OR ADDED TO THE REPORT, AND THEN THAT WILL BE GIVEN BACK TO THE CITY.
SO I THINK THAT THERE, THERE'S ANOTHER STEP TYPICALLY OF RELEASING IT TO THE PUBLIC TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.
AND, UM, THAT'S KIND OF UP TO YOU GUYS TO DECIDE HOW YOU'D LIKE TO HANDLE THAT.
WE HAVEN'T QUITE MOVED TO THAT STEP YET, BUT OKAY.
BUT I DO KNOW IF WHENEVER, WHATEVER PROJECTS WE DO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT AND PROVIDE.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS IN A OPEN, OPEN MEETING ASPECT.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE PROBABLY LIKE TO START SENDING THINGS IN RIGHT NOW.
HI, RICHARD WRIGHT, COME OUT OF VIEW PARK.
I GOT INVOLVED WITH THIS BECAUSE, UH, THERE WAS A PROPOSED 300 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE LAKE, AND IT APPEARS THAT THE CURRENT REGULATIONS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO PROTECT SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND ALL THIS MONEY AND GO THROUGH ALL THIS EFFORT TO IMPROVE ARCADIA LAKE, WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES THAT ARE GOING ON, ESPECIALLY ON ROUTE 66, THAT THAT PROJECT WAS WITHDRAWN.
BUT, UM, THAT TO ME, THAT'S JUST A SHOT OVER THE BOW.
THE GUYS, THEY SPENT A MILLION BUCKS ON THE LAND, THEY'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS IN TANDEM WITH THE LAKE HERE.
OTHERWISE, WE'RE GONNA SPOIL EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE, WE IMPROVED THE 66 DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT THAT ONLY GOES 600 FEET OF THE CENTER LINE FROM, FROM THE HIGHWAY.
WELL, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED WENT DEEPER THAN THAT, AND IT TOUCHED THE PARK.
AND THEN MR. MURDOCH AND I HAD AN INTERESTING ARGUMENT ABOUT WHETHER, WHETHER A DIRT TRAIL IS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD A POSTED SIGN ON IT.
IN MY OPINION, I THINK IT IS BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST USED TRAIL IN THE PARK.
IT'S ADVERTISED ON THE WEBSITE AS BEING POPULAR.
IT'S HIKERS AND BIKERS USED IT.
UM, BUT YET THERE WAS NO PUBLIC NOTICE POSTED ON, ON THE PARK SIDE.
AND IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY ON 66 AT 55 MILES AN HOUR, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU BARELY SEE THE SIGNS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST ONE THING, WHEN WE DO COMPLETE THE TRAIL, UM, I'D LIKE, I, I HOPE WE CAN WORK THE SAME WAY THAT WE DID, UM, WHEN THE FIRST PART OF THE TRAIL WAS DONE ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE THE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS ARE ABLE TO BE REBUILT, WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE PAVE TRAILS, UM, TOOK OVER THE DIRT TRAILS.
THEY DID A GREAT JOB ON IN THE FIRST PHASE, ON THE CEMENT TRAIL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ROUTE 66.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR HONOR.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UH, MY NAME IS PHYLLIS DRAGUS, EXCUSE ME, AND I'M THE PAST PRESIDENT OF OKLAHOMA, UH, EQUESTRIAN ASSOCIATION.
AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLAN.
WE'RE THRILLED TO DEATH OVER THIS PLAN, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, ALL FOUR TELEVISION STATIONS JUST LAST YEAR REPORTED, WHICH IS THE TRUTH
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THAT THE HORSE INDUSTRY IN THE METRO AREA IS A $59 MILLION INDUSTRY.NOW THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT THAT IS, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL DRIVING THESE HUGE TRUCKS.
WE, WE PULL THESE EXPENSIVE RIGS AND THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL INCOME RESOURCE FOR THE TRAILS, UH, THAT YOU WANT TO DEVELOP THE EQUESTRIAN PATH THAT YOU WANT TO DEVELOP.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY ON BEHALF OF THE EQUESTRIANS THAT WE'RE THRILLED TO DEATH WITH THIS MASTER PLAN.
AND ALSO IN ADDITION, THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS BESIDES OUR ORGANIZATIONS WHERE THERE ARE GRANTS THAT AS THIS PROJECT, UH, CONTINUES AND DEVELOPS, UH, THERE ARE GRANT MONIES, THERE'S, UH, BACK COUNTRY OF AMERICA, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN HELP TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARD DEVELOPING YOUR EQUESTRIAN CAMPS.
THERE AT, UH, CARL
I GUESS I NEED TO BRING THIS UP.
UM, IT'S A LOVELY PLAN FOR AN EQUESTRIAN CAMPGROUND, BUT THE LOCATION COULD BE A REAL DISASTER.
AND I GUESS I AM REALLY ANXIOUS TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU DON'T WANNA WASTE ANY MORE TIME ON THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
IT'S A TRASH COLLECTOR, IT'S A STREAM GOING THROUGH THAT LOCATION.
I'M NOT, I WOULD BE REALLY SHOCKED IF THE CORE AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WOULD ALLOW THAT EQUESTRIAN CAMPGROUND IN THAT LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE STREAM.
THERE IS ALREADY A HUGE EROSION PROBLEM, AND IT IS SO MUCH MORE VALUABLE AS A TRASH COLLECTOR THAN YOU COULD EVER GET FROM, AS AN EQUESTRIAN CAMPGROUND.
AND THE TRAILHEAD CURRENTLY, UM, OUT THERE OFFERS A MUCH BETTER LOCATION.
THE ONLY REASON THAT I CAN SEE IN THE PLAN THAT I HAVE ACCESS TO, WHICH IS NOT THE COMPLETE PLAN, IS, UM, THAT IT'S IN A FLOOD ZONE.
THE PARKING LOT, THE CURRENT EQUESTRIAN TRAIL PARKING LOT IS IN A FLOOD ZONE.
IT'S THE EXACT SAME FLOOD FLOOD ZONE THAT, THAT TRIANGLE ON 33RD AND ER DEPO IS IN.
SO THE FLOOD ZONE IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
THE BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT TRIANGLE IS THE CREEK AND THE FACT THAT IT'S ALREADY ERODING AND COLLECTING TRASH, THAT IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE CITY REPAIRS THE STREET AROUND THE CULVERT OF THE INFLOW OF THAT STREAM MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND IT, IT'S JUST GOT BETTER USES THAN AN EQUESTRIAN CAMPGROUND.
AND, AND I JUST WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY AT LEAST FOUR ACRES OF USABLE LAND WHERE THE EQUESTRIAN TRAILHEAD ALREADY EXISTS.
AND YOU COULD KEEP THE, THE HORSES OFF THE STREET.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE NEIGHBOR ISSUE.
THERE'S JUST SO MANY REASONS TO, TO RELOCATE IT SOONER THAN LATER.
MA'AM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR ISSUES.
IF YOU JUST PLEASE ADDRESS TO US TO COUNSEL, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, LET'S CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE HORSE ON YOUR ENVIRONMENT.
SO I FEEL THAT THE, UH, PLANNING AND THE ENGINEERING THAT YOU HAVE DONE PRIOR TO THIS IN THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU HAVE MADE IS REALLY POSITIVE AND USEFUL AS FAR AS THE TRASH ON THE TRAILS.
YES, WE, WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME IN AND WILL HELP TO PICK UP TRASH AND DO VOLUNTEER WORK.
SO I THINK IT IS A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR AN EQUESTRIAN CAMP.
AND CONSIDERING SOME OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING EQUESTRIAN CAMPS THAT HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, YOU HAVE BE CAL LAKE, YOU HAVE LAKE CARL BLACKWELL, YOU HAVE PRE LAKE.
IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO STUDY WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON THOSE AREAS, AND ESPECIALLY THE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THOSE AREAS.
UH, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE, YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT.
AND, UH, AND, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADD THAT.
I, ANOTHER QUESTION CAME TO MIND.
THERE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WHEN THERE WAS AN INITIATIVE SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO
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PUT A TRAIL, MULTI-USE TRAIL ABOUT 17, 18 MILES AROUND THE LAKE.WAS THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT ALSO PART OF, UM, USED AT ANY OF THIS ANALYSIS HERE? UM, THAT, THAT INITIAL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WAS DONE IN 2014, AND IT WAS PART OF THAT MASTER PLANNING EFFORT FOR ALL THE TRAILS AROUND THE LAKE, THE HARD SURFACE 17 MILES TRAIL.
UM, AND THAT WAS DONE BY ANOTHER FIRM.
UM, BUT WE'VE UTILIZED THAT IN CONSTRUCTING THE TRAIL THAT'S OUT THERE, THE SEGMENTS OF PAVED TRAIL THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
UM, IT ONLY FOLLOWS A CORRIDOR THAT THE PLANNED TRAIL FOLLOWED.
SO AS FAR AS TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS, YES, WHENEVER YOU DESIGN THE NEXT SECTION OF TRAIL, IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS.
AND THEN WE'VE HAD TO DO SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS ANYTIME THAT THE TRAIL VEERS OUTSIDE OF THAT CORRIDOR AT ALL.
BUT, UM, ASIDE FROM THE CORRIDOR FOR THE TRAIL, THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THE OVERALL SITE.
IT DOES, UM, GIVE US INFORMATION LIKE WHERE THE WATERS OF THE US ARE LOCATED, UM, GIVES US SOME KIND OF AN IDEA OF IF THERE WERE ANY CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT WERE FOUND THAT WERE CONCERNED.
BUT AS FAR AS AN ASSESSMENT OF THE WHOLE SITE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IT WAS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM.
AND, UM, I GUESS THIS PROBABLY IS A QUESTION FOR YOU 'CAUSE YOU HAVE SEVERAL NEIGHBORS HERE THAT, THAT EQUESTRIAN CAMP WOULD BE IN OUR FRONT YARD OR OUR BACKYARD, LIKE LITERALLY THAT CLOSE.
HOW WAS THAT SPECIFIC PLOT CHOSEN? DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER, 'CAUSE THERE'S LAND ACROSS THE STREET AT 33RD.
DO YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT HOW THAT WAS CHOSEN AND THEN IF THE CORE HAS GIVEN INFORMATION OR WHAT HAS BEEN DONE OF ASSESSMENT? BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO TWO GAS LINES THAT RUN THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
SO IF YOU COULD HELP THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, THAT SITE IN PARTICULAR, THERE ARE A FEW PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT WE LOOKED AT WITH LAKE STAFF THAT ARE ALL IN THAT SAME GENERAL AREA.
SO, UM, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET TOO HUNG UP ON THAT SITE IN PARTICULAR.
I THINK WHAT THE MASTER PLAN DOES IS IT ALLOWED US TO TAKE A LOOK.
WE LOOKED SPECIFICALLY AT THE SITE IN PREG, AND WE TALKED WITH, UM, TERRY, WHO WAS ON THE TASK FORCE AND KIND OF STEERED US TOWARD WHAT WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS AN EQUESTRIAN CAMP GOES AND WHAT THE AMENITIES THAT THEY NEED ARE.
AND SO WE USED THE SITE IN PREG, UM, AND WE SAID, OKAY, WELL WHAT IF WE WANTED THAT TYPE OF FACILITY ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE IN THIS GENERAL AREA WHERE THE EQUESTRIAN FACILITIES ARE LOCATED? AND SO IT HELPED US WITH SPACE PLANNING, HELPED US TO KIND OF SEE HOW MANY CAMPSITES COULD YOU GET THERE? CAN YOU PUT A RESTROOM? YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU PLAN OUT THAT SPACE AND HOW BIG OF A SPACE DOES IT TAKE? UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT I FEEL LIKE WITH THE LAKE STAFF AND THE CITY STAFF, THAT WE LOOKED AT A FEW, UM, LOCATIONS IN THAT SAME GENERAL AREA.
AND IF THERE'S, UM, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO CHANGE THAT LOCATION, I THINK THAT THEY DO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS.
AND WHAT, WHAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO AT THIS POINT IS TAKE THE PLANNING EFFORT THAT'S BEEN DONE AND THEN SEE WHETHER THERE'S ANOTHER SITE THAT YOU KNOW, WOULD ALSO BE FEASIBLE.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A LOSS OR A WASTE.
I THINK IT'S STILL MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR AN EQUESTRIAN CAMP, AND THIS WILL JUST HELP, UH, MOVE THAT DISCUSSION FORWARD.
THIS IS BASICALLY A ROADMAP FOR US TO LOOK AT.
FOR ALL OF THE WANTS AND NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND HOW YOU'VE LAID IT OUT, HOW IT COULD HAPPEN AND WHAT MIGHT BE A FUNCTIONAL WAY.
UM, BUT I THINK YOU'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB AT LAYING IT OUT.
AND ONCE WE CAN GET COMMUNITY INPUT IN IT AND LOOK MORE INTO IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WHEN, UM, THINGS WILL BECOME MORE REAL, MORE REAL.
AND, UM, BUT I THINK YOU'VE DONE A LOVELY JOB OF LAYING IT OUT AGAIN, JUST A MAP.
AND I LOVE THAT PEOPLE ARE, HAVE THE COMMENTS AND HAVE THE CONCERNS, AND WITH THAT, THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT WORKS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT DOESN'T.
WE PUT IT OUT THERE, THEN THE COMMUNITY CAN COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT THEY WANT AND DON'T WANT WHAT THEY LIKE AND DON'T LIKE.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING FANTASTIC.
I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION FOR ONE QUESTION, KEVIN.
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NOT SEEN IN THE PLAN AT ALL, AND, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION AS BEST I CAN, IS, UM, LAKE SHORE EROSION TREES.I, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE EVERY AVAILABLE SHORELINE OUT THERE COVERED WITH BALD CYPRUS.
THERE SUCH AN, AN INCREDIBLE EROSION PROTECTOR.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO DONATE A THOUSAND DOLLARS RIGHT NOW TODAY IF I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD GET TREES PLANTED THIS FALL.
SO I'D REALLY LIKE SOMEBODY TO CONSIDER HOW TO GET TREES PLANTED THAT WILL HELP PREVENT FURTHER EROSION FROM THOSE SHORES.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING US BE HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, PROVIDING ALL OF THE INFORMATION.
THIS IS, IN A WAY, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE END.
AND THEN ANOTHER WAY, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE BEGINNING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THAT, THAT COURSE IN, UH, OF THE PROCESS.
AND SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I'VE, I WAS A CHEERLEADER OF THIS IN, IN WAR II AND BARRY, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND, AND I THINK IF WE WERE TO LAY OUT SOME HISTORY OF, OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY WHEN, WHEN THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED AND DURING C O V I, IT WAS LIKE A, A MONSOON HIT, ARCADIA LAKE CAMPGROUNDS AND TRAILS AND, AND, AND ALL OF OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR DAY PASSES AND FISHING, AND OF COURSE THE EMAILS RACKED UP ON YOU.
YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS ARE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT TIRED OR THESE ARE JUST, IT'S JUST GETTING BOMBARDED WITH TRASH AND, AND PARKING AND DIFFERENT SIZES OF RVS AND CAMPGROUNDS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T RESERVE ONLINE.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE, THE CONVERSATION'S JUST REALLY AMPED UP, UM, DURING THAT TIME.
AND SO I'M SO THANKFUL THAT IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHEN YOU'RE A COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU GO, WHAT DO I, I WANT GET FROM HERE TO HERE? AND, AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT? HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT WITH HELP FROM SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM? UH, IT JUST HAPPENED AND, AND IT GOT US HERE TODAY, AND JENNIFER AND NICOLE AND YOUR STAFF AND LAND PLAN AND, AND ALL OF OUR FRIENDS, UH, WITH VISIT EDMOND AND, AND STAKEHOLDERS AND, AND WHAT WE WOULD CALL PASSIONATE HOBBYISTS OUT AT THE LAKE.
IF YOU PROBABLY TRULY INVITED ALL OF THE BIKERS AND BOATERS AND CAMPERS AND FISH, FISHERMEN AND FISHERWOMEN TO COME IN HERE, THIS ROOM OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T BE BIG ENOUGH.
UH, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THE BIGGEST ROOM THAT WE HAVE, UM, FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S PASSIONATE.
SO WE KNOW THAT THE PASSION IS THERE.
UH, AT ARCADIA LAKE, I WAS JUST AMAZED AT, AND I THINK I SENT SEVERAL, SEVERAL OF YOU A TEXT MESSAGE.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE ARCADIA LAKE AGENDA LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE, AND I SAW THEIR FINANCIALS, AND IT WAS THE FISCAL YEAR END, UM, AND BLEW AWAY ANOTHER RECORD OF REVENUE AT ARCADIA LAKE.
I THINK IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS 150 GRAND OR SO, UH, MORE THAN THE, THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
AND SO, WHAT A WONDERFUL PROBLEM TO HAVE, UM, THAT PEOPLE WANT IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND WANT A FRESH, UH, A FRESH PAINT, A COAT, UH, OR COAT OF PAINT, SO TO SPEAK, UH, OUT AT ARCADIA LAKE AT A TIME WHEN DEMAND AND REVENUES ARE, ARE SO POSITIVE.
SO REALLY, MAINLY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT I GOT TO WORK WITH, UM, WHEN I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER WITH THIS.
I REALLY WANT TO THANK LAND PLAN FOR DOING A GREAT JOB OF NOT ONLY COVERING THE FUN THINGS, BUT ALSO COVERING THE NOT SO FUN THINGS LIKE TRASH AND, AND ROAD REPAIR, UM, OUT THERE.
I'M SO IMPRESSED BY THE REPORT ON EVERYTHING THAT THAT COVERS.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU, I KNOW THE NEXT STEP, UH, IF IT HASN'T BEEN SAID YET,
UH, IT'S A BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THERE.
IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO THIS MASTER PLAN, BUT UNDERSTOOD THAT IT TAKES TIME.
UH, AND IT MAY TAKE SOME CREATIVE IDEAS, UH, ON FUNDING, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP COMING UP PROBABLY IN OCTOBER,
AND, AND I'M REALLY, I WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU, IF IT'S JUST ONE OR TWO ITEMS,
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YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST GET IT STARTED.NOT THE WHOLE THING, NOT SOMETHING TOO COMPLICATED.
JUST GET IT ROLLING WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PLAN FOR, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR'S STRATEGIC PLAN AND SHOW US AND SHOW THE COMMUNITY, UH, THAT YOU WANNA START, START DOING SOME THINGS AT ARCADIA LAKE.
AND SO I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU THAT YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT FOR THAT.
ANYONE ELSE? I NORMALLY THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN SAID WITH YOU SITTING THERE, BUT HE KNOWS IT'S HIS NEW JOB THAT HE'S GOTTA DO THAT
UM, A MASTER PLAN IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE USE THAT HELPS US GO TO THE, TO THE NEXT LEVEL, TO THE FUTURE.
UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE WRITE GRANTS, SOMETIMES THEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MASTER PLAN SITTING THERE.
AND THIS WILL HELP, THIS WILL HELP PEOPLE TO HAVE IDEAS AND DREAMS AND THOUGHTS ON HOW TO RECREATE THAT ENVIRONMENT.
UH, HOW DO WE CREATE THE, THE, THE REVENUE STREAM SO THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT THESE.
UH, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE HARD WORK FROM ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS, ALL OF THE, I'M GONNA CALL YOU FANATICS IN YOUR, IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL ACTIVITY FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE A PART OF THIS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HELPED THIS COMMUNITY BE WHAT IT IS, WHERE CITIZENS HAVE COME TOGETHER AND SAID, HEY, I, I HAVE A PASSION FOR THIS AND I WANNA BE A PART OF IT.
I REALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
SO NOW WE HAVE A TASKING UP HERE ON THE COUNCIL MM-HMM.
HAVING SAID THAT, IT'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS WITH THE CITY MANAGER? HAVE ANYTHING? I'M NOT GONNA NO, NO, WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ONE.
THAT'S, I WOULD RATHER THANK YOU VERY MUCH LAND PLAN FOR THIS.
[3. Presentation and discussion of the Sports Tourism and Fields Report by Victus Advisors. ]
WE CAN MOVE ON FROM, UH, RC COUNTY LAKE MESH TO PLAN TO THE VITUS ADVISORY PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE SPORTS TOURISM AND FIELDS REPORT BY VICTUS.MAYOR IS VICTUS WALKS UP HERE.
JUST WANNA REMIND YOU ABOUT, I THINK, WHERE'D JENNIFER GO? SHE'S IN THE BACK.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG AGO.
SO IT WAS MAYBE SIX, NINE MONTHS AGO.
THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST ON SPORTS TOURISM AND REVIEWING OUR, OUR EXISTING ASSETS, OR MAYBE WHETHER THE GAPS THERE ARE.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME INTEREST ON A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FIELDS, WHETHER THAT WAS A TOURISM OR RECREATIONAL USE.
SO THIS IS THE ATTEMPT TO, TO BRING IN A THIRD PARTY TO PROVIDE US DATA ANALYSIS AND ANALYTICS ABOUT WHAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE MAY HAVE OR MAY BE MISSING, WHERE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE.
UH, AND REALLY WHAT ARE THE ME METRICS TO SAY, DOES IT REALLY JUSTIFY WHATEVER LEVEL OF CUSTODY CITY INVOLVEMENT? SO THANKS FOR VICTUS FOR COMING BACK OUT AND GO THERE.
WELL, I, I, I WAS HOPING MY PRESENTATION WASN'T GONNA BE THAT BORING, BUT I GUESS OTHER PEOPLE DISAGREED, SO, UH,
BUT, UH, I, I, I APPRECIATE, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
A PLEASURE TO BE HERE, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.
I WAS TELLING THE MAYOR I BUMPED INTO HIM EARLIER THAT, UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE, UH, SEEN, UH, OR FELT HUMID HEAT, UM,
WE'RE IN UTAH, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME TEMPERATURE, BUT DRY HEAT THAT'S VERY MANAGEABLE, AS LONG AS YOU'RE IN THE SHADE OR, OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT, UH, THIS ONE, UH, IS STICKING A LITTLE BIT.
SO, BUT LIKEWISE, UH, AS I SAID, GLAD TO BE HERE, UH, AND GRATEFUL FOR, UH, UH, BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH A GREAT, UH, PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL, UM, FROM BEGINNING TO END.
AND SO, UM, JUST BE FOR YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE GREAT STAFF WORKING HERE THAT, UH, ARE LOOKING FOR THE BEST, LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTERESTS FOR, UH, THE CITY OF EDMOND.
SO, AS HAS AS HAD BEEN MENTIONED, I'M WITH VITUS ADVISORS, WALTER FRANCO.
UH, WE, UH, WERE ENGAGED EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, BY THE CITY OF EDMOND TO CONDUCT A, UH, SPORTS FACILITIES ASSESSMENT TO IDENTIFY THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES OF EDMOND AS A SPORTS TOURISM MARKET.
UM, AND IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO FURTHER ENHANCE AND BUILD UPON ITS REPUTATION TO, UH, IDENTIFY AND, UH, MEET THE LOCAL NEEDS OF SPORTS GROUPS, BUT ALSO TO, UM, POTENTIALLY GENERATE ADDITIONAL ECONOMIC IMPACT THROUGH SPORTS AND, UH, AMATEUR SPORTS ACTIVITY THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
UH, SO AS I MENTIONED INITIALLY, OUR PROJECT GOALS WERE TO IDENTIFY FIRST THROUGH MARKET DEMAND, IDENTIFY THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES OF EDMUND AS A SPORTS MARKET.
AND THIS INCLUDED, UH, SPEAKING WITH LOCAL SPORTS GROUPS AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE FACILITIES
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YOU CURRENTLY USE? DO YOU FEEL THAT IT'S ENOUGH? UH, IS IT LIMITING OR DOES THE CURRENT, UH, INVENTORY OF SPORTS FACILITIES LIMITING YOUR GROWTH? UH, ARE YOU LOOKING TO EXPAND? WHAT ELSE IS NEEDED TO REALLY MAKE, UH, YOUR SPORTS PROGRAMS GO? UM, WHAT IS NEEDED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THESE F FACILIT, MANY OF THESE SPORTS GROUPS ARE OFTEN TRAVELING OUTSIDE OF THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET.WHENEVER WE SPEAK WITH THESE SPORTS GROUPS, UM, THEY ALWAYS SAY, WE WANT FACILITIES SO THAT WE CAN BRING THE TOURNAMENTS TO US.
WE DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO TRAVEL.
AND SO, UH, WE LOOKED AT WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT ARE SOME POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, AND THAT INCLUDED PART OF OUR SPORTS TOURISM MARKETING FACILITY OPPORTUNITY ANALYSIS.
AND IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR, ON OUR PRIMARY RESEARCH AND SECONDARY RESEARCH ANALYSIS, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES MAKE SENSE IN THIS MARKET.
UM, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, RUGBY FIELDS OR CRICKET, UH, FIELDS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, WE, WE DIG DOWN IN, INTO THE COMMUNITY AND GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE AND UNDERSTAND TRENDS, UH, BOTH REGIONALLY AND NATIONWIDE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEST, THE BEST FIT FOR EDMOND ONCE WE, UH, HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, AND THROUGH THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY, WE, UH, WORKED ON OPERATING MODELS FOR THE POTENTIAL VENUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS THE MOST, UH, RELEVANT AND ANALYZE THE REC, UH, EXCUSE ME, AND ANALYZE AND RECOMMENDED THE, UH, PREFERRED OR RECOMMENDED OPERATING MODELS, UH, FOR THESE FACILITIES TO AGAIN, MAXIMIZE USAGE, MINIMIZE COST RECOVERY, AND TO BE SUCCESSFUL VENUES.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE IMPACT, THE ECONOMIC AND FISCAL IMPACT, UH, OF THESE, UH, FACILITIES.
WHAT TYPES OF TERMS WOULD COME IN? UH, WOULD IT BE YEAR ROUND? WOULD IT BE ONLY CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR? AND ALSO THE FUNDING OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO, UH, FUND THE, UH, NOT JUST THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITIES, BUT ALSO THE, UH, ONGOING MAINTENANCE AS WELL.
UH, SO AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF QUICKLY POINT OUT, UH, OUR FULL METHODOLOGY AS YOU CAN, AS I MENTIONED HERE, WE HAVE FIRST, I GUESS THIS IS RED, I'M COLORBLIND, SO I CAN'T QUITE TELL HERE.
THIS IS THE, UH, PRIMARY RESEARCH THAT WE DO FOLLOWED BY SECONDARY RESEARCH.
AND OUR PRIMARY RESEARCH IS HAVING INTERVIEWS WITH STAKEHOLDERS, WITH LOCAL SPORTS GROUPS, BUT ALSO WITH REGIONAL AND NATIONAL EVENT ORGANIZERS, THOSE THAT ARE, UH, HOSTING LARGE SCALE, UH, TOURNAMENTS, UH, REGIONAL AND LARGE SCALE.
AND THEY, SPEAKING WITH THEM, THEY TOLD US WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET, EDMOND IN PARTICULAR, UH, WHAT TYPES OF FACILITIES THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR, UH, IN ORDER TO HOST TOURNAMENTS HERE.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UH, COMPARABLE SPORTS MARKETS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OKLAHOMA CITY, UH, COMPETING WITH IN OTHER MARKETS? WE SPOKE WITH LOCAL GROUPS, UH, TO SEE WHERE ARE YOU TRAVELING TO THE MOST? WHAT ARE SOME FACILITIES THAT YOU'VE BEEN TO IN THOSE MARKETS THAT REALLY MAKE SENSE THAT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD THIS IN EDMOND, IT WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER FOR US.
FOLLOWED BY ALL THAT INFORMATION, WE CONDUCTED A SWOT ANALYSIS AND WERE ABLE TO, UH, COME WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR EDMOND IF THEY WERE TO PROCEED, THAT WOULD REALLY MAXIMIZE LOCAL USAGE, BUT ALSO, UH, CAPTURE ECONOMIC, ADDITIONAL INCREMENTAL, UH, UH, ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AFTER THOSE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, WE NARROWED IN ON, ON TWO FACILITIES, AND AS I MENTIONED, WHAT THE EVENTS AND ATTENDANCE PROJECTIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE, UH, FINANCIAL OPERATING PRO FORMA, AND ALSO, UH, ECONOMIC AND FISCAL IMPACT.
AND THAT'S NOW WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, IS TO MAKE OUR, UH, PRESENT OUR FINDINGS, UH, TO COUNSEL.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, LIKE I SAID, WE WANTED TO HONE IN ON WHAT THE LOCAL USAGE NEEDS ARE.
AND SO WITHIN A 15 MILE, OR EXCUSE ME, 15 MINUTE DRIVE TIME OF CITY OF EDMOND, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT OVER 200,000, UH, FOLKS THAT, THAT ARE IN THE MARKET.
WHEN YOU EXPAND THAT OUT TO 30 MINUTES, UH, THAT'S ALMOST A MILLION PEOPLE.
SO FROM A LOCAL USAGE STANDPOINT, THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND, UH, FOR SPORTS FACILITIES, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES IN CAPTURING, UM, PEOPLE THAT COULD USE A FACILITY MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
AND THE IMPORTANT THING IS, EDMOND HAS A REALLY STRONG REPUTATION IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET FROM OUR FINDINGS THAT IT'S A VERY DESIRABLE LOCATION.
UH, VERY POSITIVE REVIEWS FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT ALSO PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
AND SO, UH, IF YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF EVAN HAS THE APPROPRIATE SPORTS FACILITIES THAT ARE OF QUALITY AND AND AND FUNCTIONING, YOU'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING FROM, NOT JUST IN EDMOND, BUT ALSO OUTSIDE OF EDMOND IN THE GREATER OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET.
WHEN WE LOOK AT REGIONAL TOURNAMENT, UH, DRIVE TIME ZONES, THIS IS WHERE WE IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE MOST LIKELY MARKETS THAT WOULD BE COMING TO OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET, OR IN THIS CASE, EDMOND.
UM, IT'S VERY, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE MAP, VERY WELL POSITIONED.
UH, YOU HAVE ABOUT, UH, WITHIN A TWO AND A HALF HOUR DRIVE TIME IN BED, SO THAT'S USUALLY A DAY TRIP.
UH, YOU HAVE OVER 4.4 MILLION PEOPLE, BUT WHEN YOU STRETCH THAT OUT TO FIVE, SIX HOURS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER 20 MILLION PEOPLE.
SO IT'S A PRETTY LARGE MARKET TO CAPTURE.
AND THE NICE THING IS YOU'RE ABLE TO REALLY
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CAPTURE PEOPLE FROM THE NORTH, FROM KANSAS CITY IN WICHITA TO THE EAST WITH, UH, LITTLE ROCK TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTH WITH OBVIOUSLY DALLAS.AND SO IT'S A REALLY PRIME LOCATION FOR THE OKLAHOMA CITY AMERICA, EXCUSE ME, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A GROUP FROM KANSAS CITY, UH, BASEBALL GROUP OR BASKETBALL GROUP, DO I WANT TO DRIVE DOWN OR FLY DOWN TO DALLAS, OR I CAN FLY, OR I CAN DRIVE DOWN TO OKLAHOMA CITY, RIGHT? AND LIKEWISE WITH DALLAS, DO I WANNA GO ALL THE WAY TO KANSAS, OR I CAN I GO, UH, MAKE A STOP IN OKLAHOMA CITY? SO IT'S A REALLY, REALLY PRIME GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION FOR OKLAHOMA CITY.
AND, UM, IN EDMOND, PART OF OUR ANALYSIS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE IS LOOKING AT ALL THE FACILITIES THAT ARE USED EITHER FOR LOCAL GROUPS, BUT ALSO ANY FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN USED, UH, BEFORE FOR SPORTS TOURNAMENT, UH, SPORTS TOURISM ACTIVITIES, BOTH AT A LOCAL, REGIONAL, AND NATIONAL SCALE.
AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, UH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF A FEW FACILITIES IN EDMOND ITSELF, A FEW THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF EDMOND, BUT WE INCLUDED THEM BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN MARKETED, UM, BY VISIT EDMOND, OR FREQUENTLY UTILIZED BY GROUPS, UH, WITHIN EDMOND.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IN THIS ANALYSIS IS THAT THERE ARE, FROM AN INDOOR COURT STANDPOINT, UM, THERE'S ONLY THREE FACILITIES, UM, IN EDMOND, UH, THAT HAVE, UH, FOUR BASKETBALL COURTS.
AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, COURTS THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE USED FOR SPORTS TOURISM FOR EITHER BASKETBALL OR VOLLEYBALL, IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST EIGHT AS A MINIMUM THAT IT'S GONNA ATTRACT REGIONAL AND NATIONAL ACTIVITIES.
SO, AS A RESULT IN SPEAKING WITH THESE, WE SPOKE WITH THE FACILITY OPERATORS HERE AND ALSO WITH OTHER GROUPS.
THEY HAVE BEEN USED FOR SPORTS TOURISM, UH, EVENTS, BUT THEY'RE SCATTERED OUT.
SO LIKE, IF A BASKETBALL GROUP COMES TO OKLAHOMA CITY, THEY'RE GONNA BE USING SCORE O K C, SOLID ROCK, THE HIGH, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GONNA USE SEVERAL OTHERS IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET.
BUT WHAT THESE EVENT ORGANIZED FOR FUR IS TO HAVE ONE CENTRAL LOCATION THAT HAS ALL THE COURTS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT SPREADING THEIR KIDS OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE CONTINUE WITH OUR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A TENNIS COURT STANDPOINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, EDMOND CENTER COURT, WE, WE VISITED THE, AND TOURED THE FACILITY.
IT IS A WORLD CLASS, UH, UH, TENNIS FACILITY, UH, THAT'S RECOGNIZED NATIONWIDE AS WELL.
AND SO THAT IS A VERY STRONG, UH, COMPONENT AND ADVANTAGE FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.
UM, AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE SOFTBALL STANDPOINT, I, I THINK THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET IN GENERAL IS KNOWN OR, OR COINED THE SOFTBALL CAPITAL OF, UH, THE WORLD OR OF THE US, BUT IT, IT DOES SEEM TO BE LACKING A LITTLE BIT IN EDMOND.
UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SOME OF THE FREQUENT COMMENTARY WE'VE RECEIVED FROM SOFTBALL GROUPS AS WELL, IS THAT CONSIDERING ITS REPUTATION IN THIS MARKET, THAT THERE SHOULD BE, UH, MORE SOFTBALL FIELDS.
AS I MENTIONED, WE, WE LOOKED AT THE MOST COMPARABLE MARKETS, AND, UH, THE ONES THAT REALLY STOOD OUT IN OUR ANALYSIS WAS DALLAS, OF COURSE, KANSAS CITY, TULSA, WICHITA.
AND SO WE LOOKED AT THESE MARKETS TO SEE WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET PROFILE OF EACH MARKET, BUT ALSO WHAT FACILITIES ARE IN THOSE MARKETS THAT COULD BE COMPARABLE, COMPETITIVE WITH POTENTIAL NEW FACILITIES IN EDMOND.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT TYPES OF FACILITIES ARE MISSING IN THIS MARKET TO MAKE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE APPEALING FOR EVENT ACTIVITY.
UH, WE ALSO INCLUDED, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDED SOME FACILITIES HERE, UM, IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET.
UH, THOSE ARE BASEBALL FACILITIES, UH, MOSTLY BASEBALL, BASEBALL OR SOFTBALL FACILITIES, UH, SINCE THEY WERE FREQUENTLY USED BY A LOT OF THE GROUPS THAT WE SPOKE WITH, UH, AND THOSE SPECIFICALLY WE MENTIONED, BECAUSE THEY'VE DEVELOPED, WHICH A LOT MORE FIELDS NOW THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED FOR BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL, ARTIFICIAL INFIELD, UH, TURF, WHICH HAS BEEN A POPULAR TREND NOW.
SO WE PROFILE THOSE AS WELL TO SEE WHAT THE TURBINE ACTIVITY COULD BE OR WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS FOR THEM.
AND POTENTIALLY IF THESE FACILITIES WERE DEVELOPED OR UPGRADED, UH, IN EDMOND, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE FOR THEM AS WELL.
THE ONES THAT STAND OUT AS WELL IS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, YOU KNOW, FIVE THROUGH, EXCUSE ME, FOUR THROUGH EIGHT ARE, UH, INDOOR COURT FACILITIES IN DALLAS.
UH, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE A LOT THERE THAT, THAT THERE STILL COULD BE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FURTHER UP NORTH IN OKLAHOMA AND BEYOND.
SO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER BEFORE HERE, KIND OF SHOWS A SUMMARY AT MINIMUM HERE IS SIX QUARTS, BUT THIS IS DALLAS, SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE.
BUT AS YOU LOOK AT, UH, KANSAS CITY, YOU HAVE 12 QUARTS, UH, WICHITA HOOPS, 12 QUARTS, UH, TITAN SPORTS AND TITAN SPORTS AND PERFORMANCE CENTER IN TULSA, EIGHT COURTS.
SO AT MINIMUM EIGHT COURTS TO REALLY HAVE A SPORTS TOURISM FACILITY.
AND MANY OF THOSE ARE CONVERTIBLE TO, AT MINIMUM, EIGHT OR MORE VOLLEYBALL COURTS, UM, CHAIR FIELDS.
YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE MET WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, UH, SOME HAVE ASKED US, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE DEVELOP IN, UH, INDOOR TURF FIELDS FOR TOURNAMENTS, ET CETERA.
THAT'S REALLY NOT A, UM, A AN EMERGING MARKET YET FOR SPORTS TOURISM.
YOU'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF INDOOR SPORTS, UH,
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ACTIVITIES FOR INDOOR SOCCER, THINGS LIKE THAT.NOT TO SAY THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S MORE OF A LOCAL USE AMENITY FOR GROUPS THAT NEED A PLACE TO PRACTICE INDOORS FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER, ET CETERA.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY RECOMMEND, UM, IF, IF, IF A COMMUNITY IS LOOKING TO BUILD A SPORTS TOURISM FACILITY, INDOOR TURF COULD BE ADDITION, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA DRIVE ECONOMIC, UH, ACTIVITY.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, COMPETITION POOL, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD OF THE YOUNG FAMILY ATHLETIC CENTER DOWN IN, UH, NORMAN, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING DEVELOPED.
UH, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES THAT, UH, UM, EDMUND HAS AS WELL AS THEY HAVE, I THINK, ONE OF TWO COMPETITIVE POOLS IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA.
UH, SO IT'S A STRONG SUIT THAT, THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, AND THAT'S LED TO A LOT OF, UH, SWIM MEET ACTIVITY, UH, FROM BEYOND OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL CHAMPIONSHIPS AND OTHER EVENTS AS WELL.
LOOKING AT THE OUTDOOR FIELDS COMPLEX, AGAIN, A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FIELDS, UH, HERE IN, UH, TULSA, BUT ALL THE WAY UP TO ALMOST 90, OR EXCUSE ME, ALMOST 20 FIELDS.
UH, AND WE'VE SEEN OTHER COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAD 20, 24 OR EVEN UP TO 30 OUTDOOR RECTANGULAR FIELDS AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR MEGA, UH, SPORTS DRUMS. BUT, UM, TYPICALLY WE RECOMMEND A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FIELDS AS WELL, UH, FOR RECTANGULAR FIELDS, AND USUALLY, UM, AT LEAST ONE FOURPLEX FOR BALL FIELDS, IF NOT MORE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN TULSA, BROKEN ARROW HAS FIVE, UM, AND THEN IN OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET WITH, UH, WITH REED BALLPARK HAS FIVE, BUT SOME OF THESE OTHERS HAVE UP TO 15, UH, ALSO IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET.
PART OF OUR, UH, ANALYSIS IN, IN REACHING OUT TO THESE LOCAL AND ALSO REGIONAL EVENT GROUPS, IS TO SAY, OKAY, IF THE DESIRED FACILITY THAT YOU, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN EDMOND EXISTED OR WERE TO BE DEVELOPED, WHAT WOULD YOUR INTEREST LEVEL BE, NUMBER ONE, AND HOW MANY EVENTS WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE BRINGING INTO THE MARKET? SO, OBVIOUSLY, HYPOTHETICALS, BUT THEY KNOW THEIR MARKETS, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND SO THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THE MARKET, THAT MEANS THAT THEY, THEY'RE PRETTY COMMITTED TO IT.
AND SO WE SAW FROM AN INDOOR SPORTS, UH, CENTER CONCEPT UP TO 32 EVENTS, UH, COULD BE, UH, BROUGHT IN, UH, FROM BRINGING IN PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET.
UH, THE MAJORITY HERE, AS YOU CAN TELL, WOULD BE BASKETBALL GROUPS.
UM, SO THERE'S DEFINITELY, UH, A LOT OF INTEREST, UH, FROM BASKETBALL EVENT ORGANIZERS TO BRING EVENTS, UM, TO THE MARKET.
UH, AND LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY'VE USED, YOU KNOW, THE HIVE AND, AND OTHER FACILITIES IN EDMOND, BUT THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A LARGER FACILITY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPREAD ACROSS FACILITIES AND HAVE PARENTS SHUFFLING KIDS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.
WE LOOKED AT AND IN SPEAKING WITH THESE GROUPS AS WELL, OKAY, IF YOU WERE TO USE IT LOCALLY OR USE IT, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHER EVENTS, WHAT TIME OF THE YEAR WOULD YOU USE IT AT? SO THIS KIND OF MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT THIS SHOWS ON A LOCAL USAGE STANDPOINT, WHICH SPORT WOULD TAKE OVER.
SO YOU HAVE VOLLEYBALL UP AT THE TOP REQUIRING ABOUT, UH, THREE COURTS, OR TWO TO THREE COURTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UH, ON A DAILY BASIS, USUALLY MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY FOR LOCAL USAGE, AS I MENTIONED.
BUT THEN THIS SHOWS HERE ON THE BOTTOM, UH, WHAT THAT USAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM A TOURNAMENT STANDPOINT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST TWO TO THREE TOURNAMENTS PER, UH, YEAR, EXCUSE ME, PER MONTH, UH, ALMOST THROUGHOUT, UH, THE WHOLE YEAR.
THEN ALSO FROM AN OUTDOOR STANDPOINT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND, UH, AS YOU NOTICED HERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW GROUPS FOR SOCCER, BUT THE MAJORITY IS FOOTBALL, UH, BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL AND LACROSSE.
UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH, UH, LOCAL OUTDOOR SOCCER COMPLEXES IS THAT THEY'RE TYPICALLY, AND THIS IS NOT JUST AN EDMOND, UH, CHALLENGE, BUT NATIONWIDE IS THESE GROUP, THESE SOCCER COMPLEXES WILL TYPICALLY BE OPERATED BY A NONPROFIT SOCCER CLUB OR A LOCAL SOCCER CLUB.
AND WHEN IT'S OPERATED BY THEM, IT TYPICALLY LIMITS ACCESS TO OTHER GROUPS.
AND SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS LIKE FOOTBALL, UH, LACROSSE, RUGBY, THAT SIMPLY JUST DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THESE GROUPS.
AND SO THEY CAN'T EXPAND THEIR PROGRAMMING, THEY CAN'T GROW 'CAUSE THEY'RE OFTEN LIMITED BY, UH, ACCESS TO THOSE FIELDS.
SO THESE GROUPS SAID, YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE ACCESS TO THESE FIELDS THAT IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVELY SOCCER, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HOST TOURNAMENT ACTIVITY.
SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GROWING A LOT TOO IS, UH, FLAG FOOTBALL.
UM, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT MORE ACTIVITY FOR FLAG FOOTBALL TOURNAMENTS AS WELL, FOR SMALL FIVE ON FIVE FOOTBALL, SEVEN ON SEVEN, SIX AND SIX.
AND THIS ISN'T JUST FOR YOUTH, THIS IS ALSO FOR ADULTS AS WELL.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M ACTUALLY TRAVELING, SO PERSONAL ANECDOTE, I'M TRAVELING TO TAMPA BAY IN JANUARY FOR A FLAG FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT FOR ADULTS.
AND SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF GROWING SPORTS TOURISM JUST ON THAT ALONE.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON FROM THE FLAG FOOTBALL STANDPOINT.
BUT, UH, AS I MENTIONED HERE, ALMOST 40 TOURNAMENTS JUST FROM THE GROUPS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN WITH HERE, UM, THAT, UH, COULD BRING, UH, NEW TOURNAMENTS, UH, TO THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET.
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EDMOND.AGAIN, SAME THING THAT WE DID HERE FOR RECTANGULAR FIELDS OF WHAT THAT USAGE COULD LOOK LIKE.
SO, UH, PROB NOT AS MUCH USAGE IN JUNE AND JULY DURING THE HOT SUMMER MONTHS.
UM, BUT THAT'S JUST FOR LOCAL USAGE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT TOURNAMENTS, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, CONSISTENT, UH, DEMAND FOR HOSTING TOURNAMENTS AT THIS, THESE OUTDOOR SOCCER, OR EXCUSE ME, RECTANGULAR FIELDS OR ALSO IN THE BALL FIELDS, UM, IF THEY WERE DEVELOPED OR RENOVATED.
THIS IS MOSTLY SOFTBALL, AND I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER OF WHY THAT IS.
SO JUST A QUICK, UM, DIVE INTO WHAT SPORTS TOURISM IS, UH, FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW IT'S ESSENTIALLY, UH, REGIONAL OR NATIONAL TRAVEL TO OBSERVE OR PARTICIPATE IN A SPORTING EVENT.
UH, FOR THE MOST PART, SPORTS TOURISM TYPICALLY, UH, CAPTURES YOUTH, UH, GROUPS.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR TRAVEL BASEBALL TEAM, BASKETBALL, SOCCER, ET CETERA.
AND WHAT'S IN, WHAT'S REALLY, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORDS, LUCRATIVE ABOUT THAT, IS FOR THOSE TYPES OF TRAVEL, YOU'RE TRAVELING WITH THE WHOLE FAMILY ON ROAD TRIPS OR FLYING, AND IT'S NOT JUST A DAD AND A SON OR A DAUGHTER.
IT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING FOUR OR FIVE KIDS WITH YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CLIMBING IN THE VAN DRIVING FOUR OR FIVE HOURS OR MORE TO GET TO LOCATION, AND THEN YOU'RE SPENDING TIME IN THAT COMMUNITY AS PART OF YOUR, AND YOU'RE INCORPORATING IT AS PART OF YOUR FAMILY VACATION.
AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT REALLY PEAKED IN 2019, OBVIOUSLY, A SIGNIFICANT DROP OFF, UH, DURING COVID.
UH, THE ONE THING I WILL SAY HERE ABOUT COVID IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT DROP OFF, THAT'S STILL A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, UH, $21 BILLION IN 2020.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT, UH, SPORTS TOURISM, UH, IS, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S RECESSION OR COVID PROOF, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, ECONOMY THAT STILL KIND OF CAN WEATHER THE STORM.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT, IT REBOUNDS VERY QUICKLY.
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE YEAR AFTER, IT ALMOST REACHED THE SAME LEVEL AS 20 TO 19.
WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA YET FOR 2022, BUT IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF IT ALREADY MATCHED OR EXCEEDED THAT IN 2019.
AND IT'S ONLY GONNA CONTINUE TO, UH, INCREASE, UM, OVER THE YEARS.
SO SPORTS TOURISM IS, UM, IS REALLY A POWERFUL, UH, MECHANISM, UH, AND, AND A ATTRACTION FOR US COMMUNITIES THAT WANT TO DIVERSIFY, UH, THEIR TOURISM ACTIVITIES AND TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL, UH, ROOM NIGHTS.
I'LL SKIP THROUGH THIS, UH, JUST, AND I, I MENTIONED HERE, AND THIS, THIS WILL BE IN YOUR PRESENTATION AS WELL, JUST WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING WITH FOOTBALL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A SOMEWHAT OF A DECLINE NATIONWIDE WITH, UH, TACKLE FOOTBALL BECAUSE OF CONCUSSION CONCERNS, ET CETERA.
SO, UH, THERE'S BEEN AN ADAPTATION WHERE YOU'RE SEEING MORE OF AN EMPHASIS ON FLAG FOOTBALL.
UH, ONE OF THE, UH, INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THAT TOO IS BECAUSE OF THE FLAG FOOTBALL COMPONENT, YOU'RE SEEING A, UH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE AN INCREASE IN PARTICIPATION IN FOOTBALL BECAUSE NOW GIRLS WILL BE MORE INVOLVED AS WELL.
AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GENERATED A LOT OF INTEREST, UH, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, UH, WITH GIRLS PLAYING FOOTBALL.
AND NOW WHERE YOU START TO MINIMIZE THE CONCUSSION ASPECT AND YOU START TO REALLY MAKING IT MORE WELCOMING FOR, FOR BOTH GENDERS, THAT'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT, THAT SPORT, UH, TAKE OFF PRETTY QUICKLY.
WHAT I DID WANNA HIT ON, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT SPORTS TOURISM IS REALLY HOW DO YOU GET EVENT ORGANIZERS TO COME TO YOUR COMMUNITY? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HOW DO YOU GET THEM TO COME BACK? AND THESE ARE THE FOUR KEY COMPONENTS, UM, THAT SPORTS EVENTS AND TRU, THE SPORTS AND EVENTS, EXCUSE ME, THE SPORTS EVENTS AND TOURISM ASSOCIATION IDENTIFIED AS THE KEY FACTORS.
SO, NUMBER ONE, THE QUALITY OF SPORTS VENUES.
SO IS IT A FACILITY THAT HAS THE AMENITIES THAT YOU NEED? UM, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO WIFI? IS IT ACCESSIBLE? UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE STAFF LIKE, ET CETERA.
IS IT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE OR IS IT CLOSE TO AIRPORTS? IS IT CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY? UM, ARE THERE HOTELS NEARBY? ARE THEY FAMILY FRIENDLY, OR IS IT THE RITZ CARLTON? AND THEN REPUTATION AND BRAND, YOU KNOW, IS A COMMUNITY KNOWN FOR BEING WELCOMING? UM, WHAT OTHER TYPES OF THINGS ARE, ARE, ARE THERE IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MUSEUMS, CHILDREN'S PARKS, ET CETERA? AND IN, IN OUR ANALYSIS AS WELL, WE'VE DONE CONDUCTED, UH, HUNDREDS OF, UH, ONLINE SURVEYS WITH MANY COMMUNITIES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR PARTICIPANTS AND THE PARENTS OF PARTICIPANTS.
AND IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO HERE, STAGGERING, 73%.
IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THE QUALITY OF THE SPORTS FACILITIES.
SO, UM, IF ANY NEW FACILITY IS BUILT, TYPICALLY A SPORTS EVENT ORGANIZER SAY, YEAH, WE WILL COME FOR A FIRST TIME, BUT, UM, HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET 'EM TO COME BACK? AND THAT'S NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? IF IT'S TOP-NOTCH FACILITY, THEY'LL ALMOST ALWAYS COME BACK.
AND THE WEATHER REALLY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE INSIDE SIBERIA, IF IT'S THE RIGHT FACILITY, AND IF IT WORKS, PEOPLE WILL KEEP COMING BACK.
SO USING THAT FOUNDATION OF BACKGROUND, UH, WE LOOKED AT EDMOND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT CURRENTLY HAVE? WHAT'S WORKING FOR EDMOND? UH,
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AND NUMBER, AND I'LL, I'LL GO TO NUMBER ONE IN A SECOND, BUT I WANNA KIND OF HIT ON THE STRENGTHS OF WHAT EDMOND CURRENTLY IS DOING, RIGHT? NUMBER ONE, UH, PROXIMITY AND ACCESS.WELL, YOU MENTIONED THIS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A TWO AND A HALF HOUR DRIVE, OVER 4 MILLION PEOPLE.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT RANGE, ALMOST 21 MILLION, UH, LODGING AND AMENITIES, UM, OVER 10 LODGING OPTIONS OF FAMILY FRIENDLY HOTELS, YOUR FAIRFIELD INNS, SPRINGHILL SUITES, UM, THAT, THAT ARE GONNA OFFER FREE BREAKFAST, THAT ARE GREAT FOR FAMILIES THAT HAVE A POOL.
AND THEN THE REPUTATION, BOTH AT A LOCAL AND, AND, UH, REGIONAL NATIONAL SCALE.
OBVIOUSLY LOCALLY, IT'S VERY WELL KNOWN, BUT EVEN AT A REGIONAL NATIONAL SCALE, WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING WITH EVENT ORGANIZERS, WE SAID, WELL, WHAT COMMUNITY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, EDMOND? OH, I KNOW EDMOND EDMOND'S.
AND SO IT, IT'S HAD A REALLY GOOD REPUTATION, UM, AS A GENERAL TOURISM DESTINATION, AND IT ALREADY HAS, IS ESTABLISHING AND BUILDING A REPUTATION BECAUSE OF EDMOND CENTER COURT, UM, AND ALSO THROUGH THE SOCCER COMPLEX AS WELL, AND ALSO THROUGH THE COMPETITION POOL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, AS I MENTIONED HERE, THE SPORTS TOURISM VENUES.
IT ALREADY HAS SOME LARGE EVENT CALIBER, UH, VENUES THAT'S HELPING ITS REPUTATION, BUT WE KIND OF LEFT THAT AS AN INCOMPLETE BECAUSE IT'S STILL LACKING, UH, THE INDOOR COURT SPACE AND ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SPORTS COMPLEX THAT'S NOT CATERED SPECIFICALLY TO SOCCER AND ADDITIONAL, UH, UPGRADER OR BETTER, UH, BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL DIAMONDS TO REALLY MAXIMIZE, UH, REGIONAL USAGE.
SO I KIND OF JUST WENT OVER THOSE THINGS RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, REALLY THE ONLY WEAKNESSES THAT WE IDENTIFIED FOR EDMOND IS JUST THE OVERALL QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF DESTINATION SPORTS FACILITIES, AND THE LACK OF LARGE CONSOLIDATED MULTI COURT, UH, OR MULTI FIELD, UH, SUPPORTS FACILITIES.
SO WITH THAT, GIVEN OUR, YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP WHAT I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE AND KIND OF OUR PRIMARY AND SECONDARY MARKET RESEARCH, THIS IS HOW WE CAME UP WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE CREATED A PRIORITY LIST HERE.
SO THE NUMBER ONE, UM, IN TERMS OF WE HAVE IT CLASSIFIED HERE BY HIGH IMPACT OPPORTUNITIES, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, MODERATE IMPACT OPPORTUNITY.
NUMBER THREE, POTENTIAL FUTURE OPPORTUNITY.
SO THE WAY THAT WE FRAME THESE ARE AS IF YOU, THE TWO NUMBER ONES IS A BASKETBALL VOLLEY OR AN INDOOR COURT FACILITY.
NUMBER NUMBER, UH, ONE STILL IS RENOVATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO MITCH PARK AND KAPLER BALL FIELDS.
THESE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS TOP PRIORITY THAT WILL BOTH MAXIMIZE LOCAL USAGE, MEET THE DEMANDS OF WHAT LOCAL GROUPS NEED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME MAXIMIZE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, GENERATING ECONOMIC, UH, SPORTS TOURISM.
UH, NUMBER TWO IS, UH, BENEFITING FOOTBALL, LACROSSE, AND SOCCER GROUPS WITH, UH, A, A NEW, UH, RECTANGULAR FIELD FACILITY WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF.
UH, UM, AND THAT WOULD ALSO GENERATE ECONOMIC IMPACT BY BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL EVENTS OUTSIDE OF SOCCER.
SO THE FOOTBALL EVENTS, LACROSSE, POTENTIALLY RUGBY AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW WITH THE WIN THAT'S AFFECTED, UH, THE PICKLEBALL FACILITY, UH, KICKING BIRD.
UM, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL, UH, CHALLENGES THERE ALREADY WITH THE, UH, MOISTURE BARRIER UNDERNEATH THE COURTS THAT NEEDED.
SO THAT, SO THIS IS BEFORE THE WIND PROBLEMS. THIS IS ALREADY THE, UH, UH, SEVERE ISSUES, UH, RIGHT NOW WITH KICKING B UH, KICKING BIRD, EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN WITH TENNIS, UH, COMPLETING THE PLAN TOURNAMENT UPGRADES, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME UNFINISHED SPACE THERE, UM, AND THOSE, UH, WERE NECESSARY OR, UH, DESIRED TO COMPLETE SO THAT IT COULD BE A TRUE TOURNAMENT FACILITY AND KIND OF MAXIMIZE ITS USAGE.
AND THEN LASTLY, WITH THE ADULT SOFTBALL FACILITY AT EDMOND 66, UM, THEY'RE NOT YET AT CAPACITY IN SPEAKING WITH RED DIRT ATHLETICS.
SHE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE'S, UH, FULLY MANAGING THE, THE FACILITY WELL AND, AND HAVING MAX, UH, MAXIMIZE THE USAGE BEFORE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO UNDER THE, THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY, WE FOCUSED ON TWO, UH, TWO OF THESE COMPONENTS, WHICH WAS THE OUTDOOR FUEL COMPLEX, UM, AND ALSO UPGRADED MITCH PARK AND ATHLETIC, EXCUSE ME, MITCH PARK AND KAPLER SPORTS COMPLEX, UH, THE BALL DIAMOND.
SO WHAT WE RECOMMENDED IS, UH, RESIZING, UH, THE BASEBALL DIAMONDS.
THIS IS THE, UH, CONSISTENT FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM E Y SS A, WHICH IS THE OPERATOR OF BOTH, UH, BALL FIELDS, UM, WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF IN FIELDS, WHICH I HAD MENTIONED.
MANY FIELDS IN OKLAHOMA HAVE STARTED DOING THAT.
AND THEN, UM, HAVING THESE RESIZE SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE LITTLE LEAGUE EVENTS WHEN NECESSARY SOFTBALL EVENTS, T-BALL, AND OTHER EVENTS TO REALLY MAKE IT ADAPTABLE AND, AND MAXIMIZING THAT USAGE FOR THE OUTDOOR FIELD COMPLEX.
UH, WE WERE PROJECTING, BASED ON OUR INTERVIEWS, UH, AT THE EVENTS, UM, ABOUT ALMOST 400,000 TOTAL VISITORS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WITH THE MAJORITY OF THAT USAGE BEING LOCAL HOURLY FIELD RENTALS.
BUT THIS IS WHERE THAT, UH, REGIONAL TOURNAMENT ACTIVITY WOULD HAPPEN.
UM, AND WE WERE PROJECTING ABOUT,
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UM, 16, UM, ANNUAL TOURNAMENTS, UH, PER, UH, PER YEAR.I HAD MENTIONED THAT FROM 308,000, BUT TOTAL, UM, WEEKEND VISITOR, EXCUSE ME, OUT OF TOWN VISITS TOTAL WOULD BE ABOUT 200,000.
SO ABOUT HALF OF THE VISITORS, UM, TO THE OUTDOOR FUEL COMPLEX WOULD BE, UM, FROM OUT OF TOWN FOR THE, UH, UPGRADED BALL DIAMONDS.
UH, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE VISITATION THAT WE'RE PROJECTING AT ABOUT 422,000.
UH, WE WERE STILL WORKING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT E Y S A WOULD OPERATE THESE FIELDS.
AND SO, UM, THEY, THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF THE PROGRAMMING FOR BASEBALL TOURNAMENTS, UH, AND SPEAKING WITH BASEBALL GROUPS OUTSIDE OF THE MARKET THAT ARE EVENT ORGANIZERS, THEY'VE SAID THAT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, HISTORICALLY, THEY ALWAYS OPT FOR DA, THE DALLAS MARKET, IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THEM THERE, OR THEY LIKE TO GO TO LOCATIONS THAT HAVE A NOSTALGIC HISTORY WITH BASEBALL.
SO, UH, COOPERSTOWN, NEW YORK OBVIOUSLY ARE ALSO IOWA FIELD OF DREAMS CONCEPT.
SO TO THEM, THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET NEVER REALLY MADE SENSE.
SO E Y S A, UH, THROUGH JEFF, HE'S KIND OF TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT, UM, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, OVERSIGHT OF OTHER GROUPS.
AND HE'S MAXIMIZING, HAS BROUGHT A LOT OF BASEBALL TOURNAMENT ACTIVITY TO, UH, CAPER OR MITCH PARK.
AND SO IN SPEAKING WITH HIM, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF I CAN GET THESE UPGRADES DONE, HE'S ALREADY ESTABLISHING REPUTATION IN OPEN THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET FOR BASEBALL TOURNAMENTS, SO HE CAN REALLY RAMP UP HIS ACTIVITY AND BRING MORE GROUPS FROM OUT OF, UH, OUT OF THE COUNTY, UH, EXCUSE ME, OUT OF THE MARKET FOR BASEBALL EVENTS.
SOFTBALL WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED IS A SOFTBALL CAPITAL HERE OF, OF, UH, THE US.
AND SO A LOT OF SOFTBALL GROUPS ARE INTERESTED IN, IN USING THESE FIELDS IF THEY'RE UPGRADED, UH, AND, AND RENOVATED.
AND AGAIN, ABOUT HALF OF THOSE VISITORS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR TOURNAMENT ACTIVITY WOULD BE FROM OUT OF TOWN OR OUT OF, UH, THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET.
WE ALSO REVIEWED THE CURRENT OPERATING, UH, AGREEMENTS, UH, THAT EXIST BETWEEN THE CITY OF EDMOND AND, UM, AND NONPROFIT GROUPS.
IT'S A VERY UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP, UM, THAT YOU DON'T SEE IN VERY MANY COMMUNITIES.
HOWEVER, IT, IT SEEMED, FOR THE MOST PART, IT SEEMED TO HAVE WORKED, UM, TO, TO, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE FOR THE CITY AND ALSO TO THE OPERATORS.
UH, IN MOST CASES, THE CITY RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAJOR CAPITAL MAINTENANCE AND UTILITY SERVICES.
WHILE A LOT OF THE OPERATORS ARE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON GENERAL MAINTENANCE, CLEANING AND, AND FIELD MAINTENANCE AS WELL.
BENEFITS, OF COURSE, IS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO BUILD OUT A LARGER, UH, STAFFING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
UM, AND THEY'RE RECEIVING SOME TYPE OF, UH, INCOME OR REVENUE, UM, FROM THESE OPERATORS.
UM, SOME OF THE NEGATIVES WITH THAT THOUGH, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S OPERATED BY A LOCAL GROUP, THEY'RE TYPICALLY, LIKE IN THE CASE OF, UH, EDMOND SOCCER CLUB, UH, TYPICALLY THEY'RE GONNA LIMIT THE USAGE TO OUTSIDE GROUPS, RIGHT? AND SO OTHER GROUPS THAT DON'T HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE CITY, AS THESE GROUPS DO, THEY, THEY START TO FIND BY, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET SPACE FOR OUR GROUPS? HOW ARE WE GONNA EXPAND OR GROW BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITED? UM, THE ONE OF THE DISADVANTAGES WE ALSO SAW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY AGREEMENT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF TERMS OF LENGTH, UH, AND EXPECTATIONS.
AND SO THERE'S NOT A UNIVERSAL APPROACH.
AND SO THAT COULD CREATE A LOT OF CONFLICTS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHY DOES THIS GROUP GET THIS? WELL, WE WANT THIS RELATIONSHIP AS WELL.
WE WANT SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS US EQUALLY.
AND SO, UM, THAT CAN CREATE SOME, UH, HICCUPS AND HEADACHES AS WELL.
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, FOR, FOR THE MOST PART, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT THE CITY SHOULD NEGOTIATE LONGER TERM CONTRACTS WITH THE OPERATORS IF IT CONTINUES IN THAT, IN THAT PROCESS, SO THAT AT LEAST THE GROUPS KNOW, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
UH, WE CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PLAN AHEAD, MAKE A, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE MASTER PLAN, IF YOU WILL, AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ROADMAP OUR, OUR PROGRAM, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, USAGE OF THE FACILITY FOR SOME TIME.
UH, WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY SHOULD INCLUDE IN THESE OPERATING AGREEMENTS, UH, ANNUAL REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPERATORS, SUCH AS FINANCIAL OPERATIONS, EVENT CALENDARS, AND CREATE A CONSIST A CITYWIDE POLICY, UH, OF WHAT'S EXPECTED FROM THE CITY AND ALSO FROM THE OPERATORS FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT.
UH, FOR THE NEW SPORTS FUELS COMPLEX, IF IT WERE TO BE USED BY MULTIPLE SPORTS GROUPS, WE RECOMMEND THAT EITHER IT'S OPERATED BY NON-PROFIT, LIKE THE Y M C A, FOR EXAMPLE, OR ANOTHER GROUP THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF MULTIPLE GROUPS AND NOT JUST ONE, UH, SPECIFIC SPORT.
OR IF IT IS A PROFIT, UH, FOR-PROFIT MANAGEMENT, UH, FIRM, THEY CAN BE, UH, OPERATING, MAINTAINING THE FIELDS, UH, RENTED TO LOCAL GROUPS, DIVIDING OUT THE TIME.
THE ONLY CHALLENGE WITH THE, WITH THAT IS THAT WITH A PRIVATE, UH, FOR-PROFIT, UH, OPERATING FIRM, IS THAT THEY TYPICALLY CHARGE SIGNIFICANT MANAGEMENT FEES.
AND SO IF THE CITY WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE, THEN THEY'D HAVE TO SET, YOU KNOW, METRICS OR NEGOTIATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT OPERATING AGREEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT JUST TAKING A LARGE MANAGEMENT FEE, BUT THAT THEY'RE HITTING
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CERTAIN METRICS ON HOW MANY TOURNAMENTS THEY'RE BRINGING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD GENERATE X AMOUNT OF, UH, ROOM NIGHTS ON, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE PRESENTED WHAT OUR FINDINGS WERE SO FAR.
SO I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS FROM, UH, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, VERY IN DEPTH REPORT AND LOOKED LIKE YOU DIDN'T LEAVE ANYTHING UNTURNED THERE.
UH, AGAIN, AT OUR TOTAL YOUTH SPORT, YOUTH SPORTS IN GENERAL FOR, FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND COUNCIL.
THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT.
UH, YOU'VE INDICATED EDMOND ENJOYS A NICE REPUTATION AS A CITY, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION FOR SPORTS.
IF YOU HAD A MAGIC WAND, AND I DON'T THINK YOU DO, BUT IF YOU DID, WHAT WOULD YOU DO FIRST TO TURN THAT AROUND? WELL, UM, OUR, UH, HALF MAGIC WAND HERE IS, UH, SHOWING THIS IS WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR RECOMMENDED PRIORITIES SHOULD BE FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER.
AND LIKE I SAID, THAT'S A LOT, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF SAID, WHAT'S THE HIGH IMPACT OPPORTUNITY, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE, AND YOU HAVE TWO NUMBER ONES, THE BASKETBALL BALL, INDOOR SPORTS FACILITY, AND THEN, UH, RENOVATING AND UPGRADING, UH, THE TWO BALL FIELDS, UH, OR COMPLEXES.
I SEE THAT, BUT THERE'S TWO NUMBER ONES.
PICK ONE OF 'EM,
WELL, LIKE I SAID, BOTH, YOU KNOW, BOTH TO BE HONEST, BECAUSE AS, AS WE SHOWED, UH, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THEM, THE INDOOR SPORTS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE COVERAGE YEAR ROUND, RIGHT? UH, FROM JANUARY THROUGH DECEMBER.
UH, WITH OUTDOOR FIELD FIELDS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIMITED SPACE BASED ON WHAT THE WEATHER'S LIKE, RIGHT? AND IF YOU DO HAVE, WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND IF YOU ARE GONNA HAVE OUTDOOR FIELDS, WHETHER IT'S RECTANGULAR FIELDS FOR FOOTBALL, SOCCER, OR BASEBALL OR SOFTBALL, THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF ELEMENT OF ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELDS, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GONNA MINIMIZE CANCELLATIONS BECAUSE OF WEATHER.
AND SO, WHAT EVENT ORGANIZERS HATE IS GOING TO A COMMUNITY AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS EVENT IN MARCH, AND THEY BOOK THESE OUT A YEAR OR TWO IN ADVANCE, AND THEY GET THERE, AND THEN THE NEXT DAY IT RAINS AND THEY HAVE TO CANCEL HALF THE TOURNAMENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO FOR THEM AND ALSO FOR THE PARENTS.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SOME GROUPS WON'T COME BACK, LIKE, WELL, WE WENT THERE AND WE GOT RAINED OUT.
WE KNOW IT'S NOT THE CITY'S FAULT, BUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELDS, WE'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK.
WE CAN'T RISK THAT WE HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY ON THE LINE, SO WE NEED TO GO TO FACILITIES THAT HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELDS.
AND SO, IN TERMS OF PRIORITY, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL, WE'RE RETURN TO THE CITY AND ALSO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR US AS A COMMUNITY? WE TRY TO, UH, PRIORITIZE THESE AS, AGAIN, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE MOST BENEFICIAL FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY FROM A QUALITY OF LIFE STANDPOINT, UH, WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THESE LOCAL GROUPS, BUT WHAT ALSO IS GOING TO GENERATE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO IMPROVE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE BY GENERATING INCREMENTAL HOTEL NIGHTS.
AND SO, FROM OUR OPINION, AND BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION AND OUR RESEARCH, THOSE ARE THE TWO ONES THAT MAKE THE MOST SENSE.
BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, ALL OF THEM ARE, ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITIES, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE THE IMMEDIATE HIGH IMPACT OPPORTUNITIES.
ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK OR WRONG TRACK? I'D SAY YOU'RE DEFINITELY ON THE RIGHT TRACK, BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, YOU'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED BY HAVING EDMOND CENTER COURT, WHICH IS, LIKE I SAID, A WORLD CLASS FACILITY.
YOU HAVE THE COMPETITION POOL, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY WELL SPOKEN OF.
AND SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE CONTINUING TO DO THESE STUDIES AND TO LOOK FOR WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO DRIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT, THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SAY, WITHOUT DOING ANY DUE DILIGENCE, YOU BUILD A, YOU KNOW, 24, UH, FIELD BASEBALL COMPLEX, AND THEN EXPECTING PEOPLE TO COME, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU'RE DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE NOW AS A CITY, AND SO YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK NOW, IT'S A MATTER OF SAYING, OKAY, WORKING TOGETHER AND SAYING, OUT OF THESE, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO DO ALL THREE? OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE UP, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A MASTER PLAN OF WE'LL DO THESE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW IT GOES, WE'LL DO PHASE TWO LATER ON.
SO IT ALL REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON, ON THE PRIORITIES OF THE CITY.
AND ENJOY THE HUMIDITY WHILE YOU'RE HERE,
DOES IT MATTER, UH, NUMBER ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AS YOU GUYS ARE DOING YOUR ANALYSIS MM-HMM.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR MIND IF WE WENT AND ATTACKED THE BALL FIELDS FIRST AND UPGRADED, UH, WHAT WE HAVE NOW, AND THEN A PRIVATE OPERATOR WAS COMING IN ON THE BASKETBALL AND VOLLEYBALL? YEAH, SO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DEFINITELY BENEFITS TO THE RENOVATION AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BALL FIELDS IN THE SENSE THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING OPERATOR WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND SO IF YOU INVEST THE MONEY THERE, IT'S KIND OF A LOW HANGING FRUIT.
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THE, THE, I THINK THE FEAR OR THE PAUSE THAT I WOULD TAKE WITH THOSE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS IS THAT THEY DON'T ALWAYS WORK.AND NUMBER TWO, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO FIND THE RIGHT PARTNER SOMETIMES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR, AND WE CALL IT THE WHITE KNIGHT THEORY OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A RICH PHILANTHROPIST THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM A COMMUNITY AND SAYS, I WANNA GET BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I'M GONNA TAKE ON THE BULK OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD OF ONE OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE'VE PROFILED THAT'S BEEN OFTEN MENTIONED AS WE'VE DONE PROJECTS IN THE EAST COAST, A PLACE CALLED SPOOKY NOOK.
UM, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST INDOOR SPORTS FACILITIES, UM, IN, IN, UH, IN THE US.
BUT IT WAS BUILT BY, UH, THE OWNER OF AUNTIE ANN'S PRETZELS.
AND SO HE'S FROM THAT AREA IN MANHEIM, PENNSYLVANIA, IT LOSES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY PRIVATELY DEVELOPED AND OPERATED BY THEM, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE HE'S WEALTHY ENOUGH THAT HE, HE DOESN'T CARE, RIGHT?
AND SO THE PRIVATE, USUALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, AND THIS ISN'T JUST FOR YOUTH IN SPORTS, AMATEUR SPORTS TOURISM, BUT THIS IS ALSO NOW STARTING TO GET TO THE PROFESSIONAL LEVEL.
SO IF YOU'VE HEARD STORIES ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ST.
LOUIS RAMS, WITH THE N F L, UH, WITH THE STADIUM AND HOW THEY GOT TO N F L NOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE FIGHT FOR COMMUNITIES TO NOT PAY, YOU KNOW, BILLION DOLLAR STADIUMS THAT ARE TAX FUNDED.
SO AS A WAY TO GO AROUND THAT, A LOT OF THESE N F L OWNERS OR SPORTS PROFESSIONAL OWNERS, THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, WELL I'LL BILL THIS FACILITY ON MY OWN DIME, BUT I NEED ALL THIS EXTRA LAND TO, TO DEVELOP FOR RETAIL DISTRICTS AND, AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE MORE PUBLIC PRIOR, UH, PARTNERSHIPS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE PART OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN, AND THEY CAN SEE THAT.
SO WE DID A PROJECT LIKE THAT IN GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA, WHERE WE BUILT AN IN WHERE WE DIDN'T BUILD IT, BUT WE DID A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR AN INDOOR SPORTS CENTER.
BUT IT WOULD, IT WAS PART OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN THAT WAS GONNA INCLUDE THEATERS, RETAIL CONDOS, AND THAT, THAT SEEMED TO WORK.
SO IT WOULD KIND OF DEPEND ON, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A PLOT OF LAND THAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE WANNA BUILD A FACILITY HERE, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE MAKE THIS FACILITY OR THIS LAND, UH, APPEALING OR ATTRACTIVE ENOUGH THAT WOULD BE APPEALING TO A PRIVATE DEVELOPER? BECAUSE JUST THE FACILITY ON ITSELF, UM, UNLESS YOU HAVE A, A WEALTHY DONOR OR PHILANTHROPIST WILL, WOULD KIND OF BE A HARD SELL IN, IN MY OPINION.
SORRY, DID THAT, THAT ANSWER? YEAH.
UM, MR. RIGBY, HERE'S A B Y U GRAD, I'M A UTAH STATE GRAD.
I'M A UTAH GRAD, AND HAVING UNIVERSITY OF UTAH GUY TELL US, TELL US ALL THIS GREAT INFORMATION.
UM, SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A, A PLAN THAT WE SHALL THAT WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO ON AC AND MITCH TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR BALL FIELDS AND STUFF.
AND THEN IT'S A MATTER OF ORDER OF OPERATIONS IF AND WHEN WE PARTNER WITH A, A PRIVATE FACILITY OR WHAT WE DO ON THIS OTHER STUFF.
BUT BY DOING THOSE UPGRADES TO AC AND MITCH, YOU SEE A BENEFIT TO THAT.
AND, AND JUST I GUESS QUICKLY IN PASSING WITH THE INDOOR COURT FACILITY.
SO THERE, I'D MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THERE'S A FACILITY BEING BUILT IN NORMAN RIGHT NOW CALLED THE YOUNG FAMILY ATHLETIC CENTER.
AND SO, UH, THE FAMILY OF TREY YOUNG, HE IS, I THINK THEY'RE DONATING ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF TO $5 MILLION, UH, TOWARDS THE PROJECT COSTS.
UH, AND TO HAVE THE NAMING RIGHTS OF THE FACILITY AS WELL.
SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP AS WELL.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, AND DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, THIS IS JUST AN EXTREME EXAMPLE.
LET'S SAY THERE WAS A, A HEALTH SYSTEM HERE AT EDMOND CALLED EDMOND HEALTH, UH, AND YOU WANTED TO BUILD AN INCOR INDOOR COURT FACILITY.
AND EDMOND HEALTH SAYS, HEY, WE WANT TO GO IN ON A NAMING RIGHTS FOR YOU.
SO WE'LL PAY 10 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS, AND THAT WILL HELP COVER THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S AN EX ANOTHER EXAMPLE AS WELL.
SO EACH COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT.
IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A PLOT OF LAND SET UP, IF YOU IDENTIFY THE DEMAND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE A PHILANTHROPIST OR A FAMILY LIKE TREY YOUNG OR AN N B A PLAYER OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW, FAMOUS FROM EDMOND, MAYBE YOU'LL GET A FAMOUS, UH, TENNIS PLAYER THAT COMES OUT OF HERE THAT THAT WINS WIMBLEDON SEVERAL TIMES.
AND MAYBE THEY'LL, THEY'LL DONATE FOR A INDOOR COURT FACILITY.
BUT SO IT JUST KIND OF, EVERY SITUATION'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, I'M GONNA GO TO THE OPERATIONS.
UH, AND, AND WE'VE BEEN ON YEAR TO YEAR AGREEMENTS, SO I REALLY, I, I SUPPORT THE VISION OF GOING TO LONGER TERM AGREEMENTS, THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
'CAUSE THAT'S BOTH ON BOTH SIDES.
IT'S HARD TO ASK FOR A NON-PROFIT OR AN OPERATOR TO INVEST IF THEY ONLY KNOW, I'LL CALL IT, THEY HAVE 11 MONTHS.
BECAUSE 11 MONTHS WE'RE GONNA SAY, YOU'RE IN OR YOU'RE OUT.
SO HOW MUCH DO YOU INVEST NOT JUST ON THE OPERATION, BUT THE LOOK AND FEEL OF A FACILITY? SO I, I REALLY SUPPORT THAT.
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT IF WE WERE TO DO A NEW FACILITY, FIND A FOR-PROFIT POSSIBLE PARTNER, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU WRITE INTO THAT AGREEMENT SO MUCH PERFORMANCE, HOW MANY TOURNAMENTS? IS THAT SOMETHING WE ALSO SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, ARE OTHER FACILITIES THAT SOCCER OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE? AND I
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THINK THE SECOND PART IS, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE ASK FOR ANY CITY TO GO IN AND DO ARTIFICIAL TURF IS VERY EXPENSIVE.SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA USE LOCAL OPERATORS, WHATEVER, HOW DO YOU GET YOUR RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT IS, SO MY QUESTION, DO YOU WORK WITH THEM TO ALSO PERFORMANCE SCISSORS? SO IT'S NOT JUST LOCAL ACTIVITIES, WHICH IS NICE, BUT IT'S LOCAL ACTIVITY.
YOU'RE NOT GENERATING THE BIGGER SPORTS TOURISM? OR DO YOU SET CERTAIN PARAMETERS LIKE GREAT, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW OTHER USERS INTO THE FACILITY OR NUMBER OF TOURNAMENTS? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A, UM, A HARD, IT'S A CHALLENGING SITUATION.
THERE'S SOME GROUPS THAT ARE VERY OPEN AND UNDERSTAND THAT, HEY, THIS IS A COMMUNITY ASSET, SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AS MUCH ACCESS AS POSSIBLE.
BUT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS ABOUT EDMOND SOCCER CLUB BECAUSE LIKE, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS NATIONWIDE.
TYPICALLY WITH THE SOCCER CLUB, THAT'S SO HUGE AND IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AT THE SCALE THAT THEY GET, THEY REALLY ULTIMATELY DECIDE THIS IS, THESE ARE OUR FIELDS NOW BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVITY, THE LOCAL USAGE DETERMINANTS, IF YOU CAN BRING IN, RIGHT.
AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A NON-ANSWER, BUT IT REALLY, FOR A CITY, IT'S ALWAYS IDEAL IF YOU'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING THE CAP, THE MAJOR CAPITAL MAINTENANCE AND THE MAJOR INVESTMENT IN THE FUNDS.
IT'S, IT'S A CITY, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC OWNED ENTITY.
SO THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, INITIATIVE OR AN EXPECTATION THAT CITY OWNED FIELDS OR FACILITIES HAVE A WAY TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO OUTSIDE GROUPS, RIGHT? OUTSIDE OF THE OPERATOR.
AND SO, UM, IT'S, IT COULD BE RECOMMENDED TO, TO CREATE CERTAIN METRICS WITH CERTAIN GROUPS, ESPECIALLY FOR, FOR, UH, CERTAIN FACILITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DEMAND.
SO LIKE, LET'S SAY IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST AN EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A GOLF COURSE, UM, THAT'S OPERATED BY A NONPROFIT, BUT IT, IT'S REALLY JUST USED BY X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, THEN MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AS STRONG WITH THEM.
BUT IF IT'S GONNA BE A SOCCER COMPLEX OR A LARGE SCALE, YOU KNOW, BASEBALL COMPLEX, UM, THEN IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE EXPECTATIONS ARE DIFFERENT.
SO I, I, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE, WHAT WE'VE SEEN HERE IN EDMOND IS A LITTLE UNIQUE IN THAT SENSE, IS THAT YOU HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT FACILITIES THAT ARE OPERATED INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, SOMETIMES WHAT YOU'LL SEE TOO IS, UH, THROUGH LIKE THE C V B, YOU'LL CREATE LIKE A SPORTS COMMISSION WHERE THAT'S SPORTS COMMISSION WILL OPERATE, UH, THOSE FACILITIES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OR THE PUBLIC ENTITY.
UH, AND THAT CAN WORK SOMETIMES.
SO WE, WE OUTLINED OUT KIND OF ALL THE PROS AND CONS IN THE FULL REPORT WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO THIS ROUTE, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER.
IF YOU GO THIS ROUTE, THIS IS WHAT YOU CONSIDER.
UM, AND WE MADE SOME, LIKE I SAID, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY KNOWS ITS CONSTITUENTS BEST AND, AND WHAT'S GONNA BE BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO BUILD A NEW 10 FIELD FACILITY MM-HMM.
UM, AND JUST CANDIDLY, UM, IT'S TOUGH TO FIND THOSE, UH, 10 FIELD IS WHAT, 40, 60 ACRES TO GO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND EDMOND'S DEFINITELY, I'LL CALL IT WEST OF 35, WHICH IS CENTRAL EDMOND.
NOW EVEN EAST, THEN YOU START TO GET INTO HILLS.
AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT WITHOUT THAT? SO THERE'S THAT ASPECT, OR IS IT, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT ANY OF OUR FACILITIES BEING MULTI-SPORT, MULTI FIELD TYPE OF CAPABILITY? SO IT COULD BE SOCCER, BUT IT'S ALSO LINED FOR FOOTBALL, ALSO LINED FOR LACROSSE.
LACROSSE, OR IT WAS QUIT, IT'S TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO NOW IT'S SOMETHING NEW THEY CALL, BUT THAT IT'S MULTI-USE, RIGHT? IS THAT IT? IT IS, BUT THEN THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU RUN INTO THERE IS THAT IF EDMOND SOCCER CLUB, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS THE OPERATING AGREEMENT THERE, IF YOU BASICALLY MODIFY THAT AGREEMENT WHERE, OR TAKE CONTROL OF THE AGREEMENT, WHERE NOW THE CITY'S OPERATING IT, THEN YOU CAN RISK PUSHING THEM OUT TO ANOTHER PLACE.
UH, WHERE IF THAT'S THE, I THINK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK IT'S MAYBE THE LARGEST YOUTH SOCCER CLUB IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY MARKET, AND IT HAS AN AFFILIATION WITH, UH, OKLAHOMA CITY ENERGY, IF I'M MISTAKEN.
AND SO, UH, YOU RUN THAT RISK, UH, AND THEN AGAIN, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LACK OF, UH, FIELDS ANYWAY, BECAUSE NOW THOSE LOCAL SOCCER GROUPS, NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE LIMITED IN THEIR USAGE AND THEY'RE GONNA NEED FIELD SPACE AS WELL.
SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASED ON THE PRIMARY SECONDARY RESEARCH THAT WE MADE, THAT EDMONDS SOCCER CLUB IS MAXIMIZING THEIR USAGE.
SOME OF THEIR WORK WORKING ON IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT THIS ADDITIONAL FIELD SPACE WOULD HELP TO CAPTURE ADDITIONAL EEC ECONOMIC IMPACT AS WELL.
UM, THAT COULD BENEFIT, AGAIN, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO, UH, ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.
BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER THING, YOU, YOU, ME, YOU MENTIONED IN THE REPORT IS IF WE WERE TO GO BUILD ANOTHER, FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR A 10 FIELD, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS IF YOU GO PUT IT OUT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S ALL ALONE, RIGHT? THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE, ISN'T IT? RIGHT.
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IT TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOTEL, RIGHT NEXT TO RIGHT.AND THAT, AND YOU'RE KIND, THAT'S WHATEVER WITH THE EDMOND 66, RIGHT? UH, THE, IT'S KIND OF OUT THERE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE SEEN AND DRIVING PAST AND TOURING THE FACILITIES, YOU'RE STILL SEEING A LOT OF GROWTH, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS.
I THINK THERE WERE SO MANY DEVELOPMENTS GOING OUT THAT WAY.
AND SO YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BUILD A SPORTS FACILITY BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE AND HAVE THAT EXPECTATION OF IF YOU BUILD A DAY WILL COME.
UM, TYPICALLY, AND AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO THE PRIVATE PART, PRIVATE, UH, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, IS YOU USUALLY SEE THESE BUILT IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
SO IF THERE'S, SAY THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST AN EXAMPLE, A HUNDRED ACRES SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF EDMOND, AND YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER SAYS, I WANT TO BUILD A SHOPPING CENTER AND ALL THIS, AND THEN IT MAKES SENSE.
OKAY, LET'S ADD A SPORTS FACILITY, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE ALL THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU DON'T WANNA BUILD ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS, YOU KIND OF, IT'S THE ANCHOR TENET OF SOME.
SO WE, THIS WASN'T PART OF OUR ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT SITE ANALYSIS.
UH, WE, WE DO DO THAT FOR, FOR OTHER STUDIES, BUT, SO I, I CAN'T REALLY COMMENT ON, ON WHERE IT MAKES MOST SENSE.
BUT YEAH, THAT IS A VALID, UH, POINT IN THAT, UH, YOU DON'T WANT TO KIND OF BUILD IT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO AGAIN, THE CHART THAT I SHOWED THAT PART OF THE THINGS THAT EVENT ORGANIZERS LOOK LIKE IS, AGAIN, QUALITY OF SPORTS FACILITY, THE PROXIMITY AND ACCESS.
YOU WANT IT TO BE CLOSE TO THE ROADS, YOU WANT IT TO BE CLOSE TO ESSENTIALLY EXISTING AMENITIES OR AMENITIES THAT ARE ONLINE TO BE BUILT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED, UH, WITH, UH, THE GAINESVILLE, UH, PROJECT IN FLORIDA THAT WE DID.
SO DO WE KNOW, UM, TWO THINGS.
ONE IS WE JUST INVESTED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, UM, INTO OUR, UH, GOLF FACILITY.
AND MR. HILL, WHO'S THE LEAD FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED A DESIRE TO HAVE A, A REGIONAL, NATIONAL SORT OF SPORTS, YOUTH GOLF.
UH, WAS THAT CONSIDERED AT ALL? DID YOU GUYS, DID YOU GUYS, WAS THIS I DIDN'T NOTICE ANYTHING ABOUT GOLF IN YOUR YEAH.
WE, UH, WE TALKED WITH, WITH THEM AS WELL.
UM, BUT IN THE OVERSCALE OF, OF SIGNIFICANT, UH, ECONOMIC GENERATION, UH, GOLF ISN'T AT THAT LEVEL THAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH JUST 'CAUSE THE NUMBERS DON'T JUST 'CAUSE THE NUMBERS.
BECAUSE TYPICALLY WITH GOLF, IT'S INDIVIDUAL.
UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GETTING, AND IT'S USUALLY CAPPED AT X AMOUNT OF PLAY INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS, RIGHT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BASKETBALL TEAM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 TO 12 PLAYERS PER TEAM, AND YOU'RE BRINGING IN A HUNDRED TEAMS, UH, FOR THE LARGE SCALE TOURNAMENT, SAME WITH BASEBALL.
AND SO, AND THEN THEY'RE STAYING TWO TO THREE TO FOUR NIGHTS, ALTHOUGH IT'D BE THE SAME NIGHTS AS AS GOLF, BUT THEN IT'S ONLY, AGAIN, JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL PLAYER.
AND SO, UM, SPORTS, TOURISM, UH, EXCUSE ME, GOLF AT THE YOUTH LEVEL HASN'T SEEN, UH, AS MUCH GROWTH FROM A SPORTS TOURISM LEVEL, UH, AS THESE OTHER SPORTS, WHICH IS WHY IT DOESN'T SHOW UP.
UH, KIND OF STANDING OUT IN, IN OUR, IN OUR REPORT.
AND, AND TO BE HONEST, IT HASN'T SHOWN UP IN REALLY MANY OF THE OTHER, UH, HUNDREDS OF REPORTS THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
IT'S, THAT'S NOT A MAJOR DRIVER.
THE OTHER, I MEAN, THE OTHER TWO THINGS I WAS INTERESTED IN, ONE IS IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALMOST EXPLODED OVERNIGHT, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A ROBUST, THINK 3,500 PLUS NOW.
CLUB PREDOMINANTLY 60 AND OVER.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, DO WE REHAB WHAT WE HAVE? DO WE KEEP SOME OF WHAT WE HAVE AND DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING ELSE? THE OTHER IS, I SEE OUR Y M C A FRIENDS HERE, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD COLLABORATIVE PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY ON THE, ON THE SWIMMING POOL.
MY KIDS HAVE ALL DONE THE Y SPORTS MM-HMM.
WE'LL BE PUTTING IN A JOINT Y M C A LIBRARY FACILITY OFF I 35 AND 15TH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE Y M C A HAS SOMETHING OUT THERE AS FAR AS A PRESENTATION OR SOMETHING PUBLIC AS FAR AS POTENTIAL GROWTH OR POTENTIAL, UM, KIND OF WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR ANY FIELD OR FACILITIES IN THE, IN THE EDMOND AREA IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT OR IF, UH, IF THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
I, I, I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY FOR, LIKE I SAID, MY KIDS WHO HAVE A LOCAL COACH GO PLAY ON A SATURDAY PRACTICE ONCE.
BUT IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE TOURNAMENT DRIVEN, BUT I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT CAPACITY.
SO, UM, SO PICKLEBALL, YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, PICKLEBALL IS A NA UH, REALLY A NATIONWIDE PHENOMENON WHERE, UH, THE GROWTH IS EVERYWHERE AND EVERY SINGLE STUDY, WE ADDRESS IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION THAT'S ALWAYS BROUGHT UP.
AND WE MENTIONED IT HERE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS BEFORE THE WIND DAMAGE THAT THAT WAS CAUSED.
UM, THERE IS DEFINITELY, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, THERE'S DEMAND FOR LOCAL USAGE THAT GROUPS WANT TO USE INDOOR SPACE YEAR ROUND.
UM, UH, BUT THE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY ISN'T QUITE THERE YET.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING, IT'S STILL, THE, THE PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS ARE STILL REGIONALLY BASED FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING EXCEPT FOR THE U S A PICKLEBALL, LARGER SE SECTIONAL NATIONAL TYPE EVENTS.
BUT, UM, THOSE ARE STILL KIND OF MORE ON THE ADULT SIDE.
UM, THE PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS FOR YOUTH ISN'T STILL AT THE LEVEL OF, IT'S STILL GROWING, BUT IT'S STILL, I I WOULD EVEN SAY THAT IT'S BELOW FLAG FOOTBALL, TO BE HONEST, FROM, FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
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UM, THE OTHER THING TOO WITH PICKLEBALL IS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SPORT THAT PEOPLE STILL LIKE TO PLAY FOR FREE.AND SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT OF OUTDOOR ACROSS COMMUNITIES, A LOT OF OUTDOOR SPORTS PARKS THAT ARE CONVERTING TENNIS COURTS NOW TO DEDICATED PICKLEBALL FACILITIES, BUT THEY'RE ALL FREE TO USE.
AND SO WITH US SPEAKING WITH LOCAL PICKLEBALL GROUPS, THEY SAY, OH, WE LOVE USING THESE, THESE NEW PARKS OUTSIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE FREE.
WE, WE REALLY NEED INDOOR SPACE, BUT WE DON'T WANNA PAY FOR IT.
WE DON'T WANNA PAY, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT'S JUST A REC CENTER THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY FOR SENIOR CITIZENS CAN USE A BASKETBALL COURT THAT THEY JUST RE REDO THE LINES FOR PICKLEBALL.
RIGHT? SO THERE'S STARTING TO BE MORE IN COURT, INDOOR DEDICATED PICKLEBALL FACILITIES, BUT THEY'RE MORE LIKE PICKLEBALL CLUBS.
SO LIKE IN UTAH, UM, YOU'VE SEEN KIND OF AN EXPLOSION OF THAT WHERE YOU HAVE MEMBERSHIP FACILITIES, UH, THAT ARE INDOOR FACILITIES WHERE YOU DO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU PAY $30 A MONTH AND THEN YOU GET PRIORITY ACCESS FOR CERTAIN WINDOWS OF TIME TO PLAY PICKLEBALL, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING A LOT OF, UH, REGIONAL NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS.
THEY'RE DOING LIKE LOCAL, LIKE MEMORIAL DAY TOURNAMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S STILL GONNA BE A WHILE.
AND I THINK THE TIPPING POINT IS ONCE YOU START TO GET, YOU KNOW, 16 YEAR OLD OR EIGHT YEAR OLD, OR 10 YEAR OLD PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENTS, ONCE YOU GET TO THAT STAGE, THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE TRUE, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, ECONOMIC, UH, GENERATORS, UH, FOR COMMUNITIES.
ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL CITIZENS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? THAT WAS A GREAT, WE GOT, OKAY.
HOPEFULLY I WASN'T TOO BORING, SO.
PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UH, CHRIS BERRY, I'M ACTUALLY WARD THREE RESIDENT.
I'M THE VISIT EDMOND BOARD AND THEN ALSO THE DISTRICT EXEC FOR THE Y M C A HERE IN EDMOND.
UH, TOM, APPRECIATE YOU RECOGNIZING THE Y UH, OUR Y YOUTH SPORTS PROGRAM JUST IN EDMOND SERVES OVER 12,000 PARTICIPANTS ANNUALLY THROUGH OUR YOUTH SPORTS.
UM, I DON'T THINK AT THIS TIME WE HAVE A PRESENTATION READY TO DISCUSS SORT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR FIELDS.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN IN A PLACE WHERE WE'VE SORT OF HAD TO BEG, BORROW AND STEAL ON THE FIELDS WE USE.
I WILL SAY THAT SPEAKING FOR ALL YOUTH SPORTS AND EDMOND, I THINK IF WE WERE TO REDESIGN OUR CURRENT FIELDS, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE SHORT.
AND I THINK THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, HAMMERED THAT HOME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN RENOVATE WHAT WE HAVE, BUT WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A SHORTAGE OF FIELD SPACE NEEDED IN EDMOND.
UM, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT, UH, SHARING SPACE OR BEING A PARTNER THAT COULD HELP RENT OUT SOMETHING WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO AT THE COMPETITION POOL WITH THE CLUB TEAMS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 18 LANES.
IF WE HAVE THREE CLUB TEAMS, WE GIVE 'EM SIX LANES.
IF WE HAVE SIX, WE GIVE 'EM THREE.
SO WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BALANCE ALL THE CLUBS AND BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY.
DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN AND PARTNER IN ANY WAY TO DEVELOP YOUTH SPORTS.
WE KNOW THAT SPORTS, UH, REALLY HELPS SET KIDS UP ON A GOOD PATH FOR THEIR FUTURE AND REALLY GIVES THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP SKILLS THEY'LL USE AS ADULTS.
WHETHER THAT'S WORKING THROUGH ADVERSITY OR DEVELOPING COMMUNITY, DEVELOPING FRIENDSHIPS, WORKING WITH PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, YOUTH SPORTS CAN PROVIDE THAT AND DEFINITELY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EDMOND.
DO Y'ALL HAVE, AS A FOLLOW-UP, DO Y'ALL HAVE LIKE, UM, LIKE SOME TYPE OF FUND OR ANYTHING THAT, THAT CAN GO TOWARDS LIKE SPORTS, UH, FACILITY DEVELOPMENT, OR IS IT JUST SORT OF AS THINGS ARE PRESENTED THEN SORT OF HOW THEY'RE FINANCED? MY, MY QUESTION IS, DOES THE Y AS A COMMUNITY PARTNER HAVE LIKE SOME DOLLARS THAT THEY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA INVEST IN SOME FUTURE FIELD OR SOME CAPACITY, OR DO YOU JUST WAIT LIKE FOR A STRATEGIC PARTNER AND THEN WORK IT OUT? PROBABLY TURN THAT OVER TO MIKE, MIKE'S OUR C O O FOR Y M C, GREATER OKLAHOMA CITY.
YOU CAN GIVE A LITTLE MORE INFO ON THAT DIRECTION OF FUNDING.
I'M ALSO A RESIDENT, LONGTIME RESIDENT OF, OF EDMOND OKLAHOMA.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A NONPROFIT CHARITY.
UH, SO DEFINITELY WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE INTEREST IN IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, BUT, UH, WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO RELY UPON, UH, PARTNERS, UH, IN THOSE, UH, SPECIFIC AREAS.
UH, AND, AND WE CERTAINLY ARE WILLING TO BRING DOLLARS WHEN WE HAVE IT.
ULTIMATELY, WE'RE A MEMBERSHIP ORGANIZATION, UH, AND WE'RE HERE TO KIND OF SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND ONE OF OUR, OUR MAIN FUNDRAISERS ARE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE, UH, TO GIVE 'EM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.
BUT, UH, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO PARTNERING, UH, WITH ANY ORGANIZATION IF IT CAN, UH, IF IT ALIGNS WITH, UH, OUR STRATEGIES AND, AND MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M RESIDENT EDMOND AND ALSO A PART OF FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS.
WE ARE A YOUTH FLAG FOOTBALL LEAGUE HERE IN EDMOND.
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UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 1200, UH, FAMILIES ENROLLED AND TO PLAY THIS SEASON.UM, AND THIS IS THE FIRST SEASON WE ARE NOT PLAYING IN EDMOND BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE ANY FACILITIES TO PLAY IN EDMOND.
UH, SO WE HAVE TAKEN, UH, TO OKLAHOMA CITY AND OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THE FACILITIES TO PLAY.
SO, I MEAN, I'M VERY INTERESTED AS A RESIDENT THAT MY KIDS HAVE, YOU KNOW, GROW UP HERE, UM, TO HAVE FACILITIES THAT WE COULD HAVE YOUTH FLAG FOOTBALL THAT IS CONTINUALLY GROWING.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO SEND OUR TOURNAMENTS TO OUR FRANCHISES OUT IN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FACILITIES HERE TO HOLD THOSE PLAYOFFS.
UM, SO WE'RE LOSING THAT TO OKLAHOMA CITY AND WE'RE LOSING IT TO CALIFORNIA AND ARIZONA WHERE OUR FRANCHISE IS OUT TOO.
SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF GROWTH HERE IN EDMOND.
AND, UH, I NOTICED THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT LONG-TERM COMMITMENTS.
I KNOW THAT FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS WOULD BE MORE WELCOME TO DO A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT WITH EDMOND.
I THINK IT'S SO INTERESTING THAT ARCADIA LAKE AND YOUTH SPORTS IS KIND OF BEING TALKED ABOUT AT THE SAME TIME.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCES TOO.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECREATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEALTHY ACTIVITIES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOSTLY OUTDOOR SPORTS AS WELL, UM, FOR BOTH ARCADIA LAKE AND, AND YOUTH SPORTS FACILITIES.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE I THINK IS PROBABLY THE, THE PASSION FROM, UM, FROM PARENTS THAT, UH, OR, OR PICKLE BALLERS THAT GO TO A FACILITY IN, IN FRISCO OR IN WICHITA OR KANSAS CITY.
AND, AND WHEN THEY SEE THAT, THAT ANOTHER TOWN OR CITY HAS ALREADY INVESTED IN SOMETHING MODERN AND NEAT, THEY COME BACK AND GO, WHY DON'T WE HAVE
I KNOW, I KNOW YOU HAVE AND I DID AS WELL.
SO I THINK THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, UM, IS I DO THINK THERE'S MORE FROM PARENTS THAT HAVE KIDS NOW THAT ARE PLAYING SPORTS AND, AND COMING THROUGH.
I I'M IN THAT BOAT WITH, WITH TWO 10 YEAR OLDS, UM, AND TALKING TO OTHER PARENTS AS WELL THAT WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF SPORTS RIGHT NOW, SO NO, NO DOUBT.
THERE'S, THERE'S PASSION AND SUPPORT FROM, UM, FROM PARENTS AND FAMILIES HERE IN EDMOND.
AND I WANNA SAY, UH, TWO MORE THINGS.
I AM, I, I THOUGHT THIS WHEN I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, A LOOK AT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TURF, UH, FIELD COMPLEX AND MORE FIELDS.
OUR, OUR ISSUE IN EDMOND IS THAT WE, WE DID DEVELOP MAINLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE.
UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT ONE BIG CAMPUS FOR, FOR SPORTS.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOCCER LAND, WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE MITCH PARK, BUT OUR ISSUE IS, UM, I 35 DIVIDING.
UM, AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, A, A GOOD SIZED POPULATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
AND SO DO YOU, IF YOU KEEP, UM, UH, THE SOCCER FIELDS IS ONLY SOCCER, SOMEBODY COMING OUT FROM, UH, FROM DOUGLAS AND SORGHUM MILL.
THAT'S A 35 MINUTE DRIVE, 35, 40 MINUTE DRIVE ACROSS TOWN TO GET TO A SOCCER GAME.
AND SO I JUST WANT YOU TO CONSIDER, UM, I KNOW A, A FOUR FIELD COMPLEX HAS BEEN LOOKED AT ON THE WEST SIDE OF MITCH PARK, AND, AND WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, WE KNEW THAT WOULD BE FULL, UM, FROM DAY ONE.
BUT DO YOU HAVE TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER, UM, IS EDMOND'S SITUATION THAT IN SOME SPORTS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, UM, TO WHERE SOMEBODY DOESN'T, ISN'T DRIVING FROM ONE SIDE OF SIDE OF TOWN TO THE OTHER.
IT MAY FIT A NEED AT THAT TIME IN THAT AREA, UH, AND HELP AND THEN KNOW, UH, THAT ANOTHER LOCATION FOR A, FOR AN ADDITIONAL FACILITY IS GONNA BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, JUST LIKE I SAID WITH ARCADIA LAKE, I KNOW IT'S MONEY
I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, UH, CHRIS SAID 12,000 ATHLETES, YOUNG ATHLETES IN SPORTS.
IT, IT, THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ANY OF YOU.
IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ANY OF YOU THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITIES THAT ARE HAPPENING DURING THE WEEK AND ON WEEKENDS IF YOU NEED MONEY, UM, AND SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE THINGS TO GO, JUST GIVE THE VOTERS AN OPPORTUNITY.
JUST GIVE THEM A CHANCE, UM, TO SAY, TO SAY YES OR NO.
I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE ALL THE SUPPORT
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WILL BE THERE THAT YOU NEED FOR SOMETHING LIKE YOUTH SPORTS AND HEALTHY ACTIVITIES AND QUALITY OF LIFE, THINGS THAT MAKE EDMOND A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.SO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU ENCOURAGEMENT TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S A BIG CHALLENGE, PUT IT OUT THERE AND LET, AND LET THE VOTERS DECIDE.
DO WE KNOW MS. MAYOR, DO WE HAVE, AS PART OF THIS STUDY, DID ANYONE, I KNOW WE HAVE A NEW PRESIDENT THERE, I KNOW THERE'S A PHILANTHROPIST WHO'S INVESTED, UM, IN THEIR FACILITIES.
DO WE TAKE A LOOK AT U C O TO SEE IF THERE WOULD BE ANY POTENTIAL CROSS POLLINATION OR COLLABORATION? YES, WE'VE HAD TALKS ABOUT, UH, MORE ENGAGED COLLABORATION.
WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT SPECIFICS YET, I THINK, BUT THE, BUT THE NEW LEADERSHIP THERE, YEAH, I THINK INSTINCTS ARE CORRECT THERE.
THERE'LL BE A GOOD POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY THERE TO DISCOVER WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO INVEST IN ALONGSIDE WITH THOSE STUDENTS.
AND I, UH, FOR SOME MIGHT NOT KNOW, BUT YEARS AGO THE PARK BOARD DID DO A STUDY ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
WERE THERE AVAILABLE PLOTS OF LAND TO HAVE ANOTHER PARK THE SIZE OF MITCH PARK.
AND THERE WAS NOT ONE SINGLE PRODUCT OF LAND THAT, SO IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN SEVERAL.
BUT I, I ENCOURAGED US TO LOOK AGAIN AT THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN THAT WHERE IS OPPORTUNITIES OVER THERE? IF THERE ARE SOME FOR, UM, A BIG PLOT OF LAND, MAYBE IF IT'S SEVERAL IT BECAUSE EVERYTHING CAN'T FIT ON THE WEST SIDE.
I'M A CITIZEN OR LIVE HERE IN EDMOND AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF EXPANSION OF FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS.
SO I'M WITH THAT ORGANIZATION, BUT ALSO A PARENT OF FOUR KIDS WHO ARE VERY ACTIVE IN SPORTS AND WE DO A LOT OF SPORTS TOURISM ALL OVER HEADED TO WICHITA THIS WEEKEND, UH, FOR BASKETBALL.
UM, JUST HERE TO SAY, UM, YES, WE HAVE 1200 FAMILIES IN OUR LEAGUE.
WE SOLD OUT WITHIN AN HOUR AT MIDNIGHT.
WE'RE NOT HERE IN EDMOND THIS YEAR.
SO WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT ENTITIES AND NONPROFITS, HAVING THE CONTRACTS AND SOLE KIND OF, UM, MANAGEMENT OF SOME OF OUR COMPLEXES, MAYBE, UM, FOR PARENTS WHO DRIVE BY SOMETIMES IN THE EVENINGS AND THEY'RE EMPTY, BUT WE CAN'T GET IN THERE THINKING, HOW DO WE PROVIDE A LITTLE MEDIATION SO THAT ENTITIES THAT HAVE THOSE CONTRACTS THAT MANAGE 'EM, CAN MAYBE WORK WITH OTHERS THAT WANT TO USE THEM AND NOT, YOU KNOW, BLOCKING US OUT.
SO WHEN YOU GO FROM A ONE YEAR TO A THREE TO FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, HOW CAN YOU MAKE THAT MORE DOABLE OR ACCESSIBLE TO OTHERS WHO ARE NOT A PART OF THAT NONPROFIT, BUT WHO COULD STILL UTILIZE IT IN TIMES THAT IT'S NOT BEING USED? SO THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? WELL, WELL, COUNSEL, WE'VE RECEIVED TWO VERY IN-DEPTH REPORTS.
WE'VE HAD GOOD CONVERSATION AND GOOD FEEDBACK FROM OUR PUBLIC, FROM OUR COUNCIL.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DECISIONS TO MAKE, UH, TO HOW TO PRIORITIZE AND WHAT TO PRIORITIZE, UH, AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS.
SO WE DO HAVE OUR STRATEGIC COUNCIL MEETING COMING UP, UH, THIS YEAR AND WE, BUT WE WILL HAVE OTHER CONVERSATIONS BEFORE THEN.
SO I THINK IT'S TIME TO GO ENJOY THE, THE HUMIDITY RIGHT NOW.
SO WE DO HAVE SEVERAL, AS OUR CITY IS GROWING IN CAPACITY, IN NUMBERS, UH, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL ADDITIONAL WORKSHOPS THAT ARE COMING UP, UH, THAT ARE NEAR TO DEAR TO SOME PEOPLE AND PROBABLY NEAR TO DEAR TO ALL PEOPLE.
BUT, UM, PLEASE TAKE A NOTE THAT WE ARE HAVING THE OPEN CONVERSATIONS TO MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD.
HAVING SAID THAT, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.
THANKS FOR EVERYONE PARTICIPATING.