Aug 08, 2023 Planning Commission

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE WILL CALL TO GET, UH, CALL TO ORDER THE TUESDAY, AUGUST 8TH, 2023, MEETING OF THE

[1. Call to Order:]

UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM JULY 18TH, 2023.

[2. Approval of Minutes:]

SECOND AND THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

UH, WE HAVE NO ITEMS ON THE CONTINUANCE DOCKET ON THE PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT DOCKET.

WE HAVE

[3. Continuance Docket: (Items on the continuance docket will be voted on as a group, unless members of the commission or the public request individual action on an item).]

UH, CASE NUMBER DD 23 DASH 0 0 0 0 2 CONSIDERATION FOR A LOT SPLIT DE CERTIFICATION FOR 3 0 1 EAST LINCOLN, UH, HANDMADE HOMES, LLCS, THE APPLICANT, UH, CASE NUMBER DD 23 DASH 0 0 0 0 8.

CONSIDERATION FOR DEEDED CERTIFICATION FOR THE ABBEY AT COFFEE CREEK LOCATED NORTH OF COFFEE CREEK ROAD, WEST OF KELLY AVENUE, S A C C INVESTMENTS ABBEY PLACE LLCS THE APPLICANT AND CASE NUMBER S SP 21 DASH 0 0 0 2 0 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION FOR A SITE PLAN EXTENSION FOR THE CROSS TIMBERS EXPANSION, PHASE TWO, SOUTH OF COVE AND OLD TIMBERS DRIVE, CITY OF EDMOND AS THE APPLICANT.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION NEED ANY OF THOSE ITEMS FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON AND SCENE? NONE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEMS FOUR

[4. Public Hearing - Consent Docket: (Items on the consent docket are recommended for approval by the Staff and will be voted on as a group, unless members of the commission or the public request individual action on an item).]

SECOND, UH, THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT DOCKET ARE APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

UH, CASE A WILL BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 28TH.

UH, ITEMS B AND C ARE FINISHED HERE TONIGHT.

BRINGS US TO THE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION DOCKET FIRST CASE NUMBER, E S 23 DASH 0 0 0 1 1.

PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF AN EASEMENT CLOSING LOCATED AT 1 0 0 9 HUNTSMAN ROAD.

MISTY AND AUSTIN BAKER ARE THE APPLICANTS, ARE THE APPLICANTS PRESENT.

[5. Public Hearing - Discussion Docket: (Items on the discussion docket require a separate vote)]

UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE DOCKET IS CASE NUMBER PR 22 DASH 0 0 0 3 7 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF PRELIMINARY PLATT FOR KELLY POINT APARTMENTS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PUR KELLY POINT TO BE LOCATED NORTH OF WEST 33RD STREET ON THE WEST SIDE OF KELLY AVENUE.

E R C BUILDING COMPANY IS THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT MR. ISSO.

ALRIGHT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLATT AND THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, THE FINAL PLAT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, UH, FOR THE PURE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON KELLY POINT, JUST NORTH OF 33RD STREET, UH, THE PRELIMINARY PLATT IS ONE LOCK COVERING 12.38 ACRES.

UH, IT DOES INDICATE ONE ENTRY ONTO KELLY AND THEN A FUTURE CONNECTION TO THE SOUTH WAS ALSO SHOWN.

UH, THE P U D AND SITE PLAN WERE BOTH RECENTLY APPROVED, UH, AND THE PLATTS BOTH CONFORMED TO THOSE.

UH, THERE ARE NO VARIANCES AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

STAFF HAS BASICALLY GIVEN US INFORMATION RELATED TO, UH, ITEMS FIVE, B AND C.

DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION ON EITHER OF THOSE ITEMS OR COMMENTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SEEING NONE, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, SIR.

DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOUR OR AGAINST ITEMS FIVE B OR FIVE C, C? NONE.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF COMMISSION AFTER THAT HEATED DEBATE? UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

SECOND.

UH, THOSE ITEMS ARE APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

THAT WILL, UH, FINISH ITEM B HERE TONIGHT.

ITEM C WILL APPEAR ON 8 28 BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE D.

UH, CASE NUMBER S SP 22 DASH 0 0 0 5 1 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR DUNKING DONUTS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF KELLY AVENUE, NORTH OF WEST 15TH STREET, O K D HOLDINGS.

L L C IS THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.

MR. S OKAY.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN FOR DUNKING DONUTS ON KELLY JUST NORTH OF 15TH STREET.

THE

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UH, THE SITE IS ZONE D TWO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, WHICH ALLOWS THE RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH USE.

UH, THE SITE PLAN CONTAINS ONE BUILDING, UH, 1,877 SQUARE FEET AND 22 FEET TALL.

UH, IT HAS A MIX OF BRICK AND EFIS WITH CEMENT, LAPBOARD, SIDING, VENEER WITH SOME METAL ACCENTS.

UH, THE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES 17 PARKING SPACES.

ACCESS WILL BE FROM A DRIVE ON TO KELLY, AND A SECOND ENTRY IS FROM THE SHARED ACCESS TO THE SOUTH.

UH, THE LANDSCAPING IS COMPLIANT AND NO VARIANCES ARE REQUESTED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

UH, DO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME IN REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? SEEING NONE, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO RELY UPON THE STATEMENTS MADE BY CITY STAFF? DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SCENE? NONE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO BE MADE BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SCENE? NONE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

ONE SECOND.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY VOTE FOUR TO ZERO.

IT IS FINISHED HERE TONIGHT.

IT BRINGS US TO CASE NUMBER SP 23 DASH 0 0 0 1 1 PUBLIC CARE CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR 39 41 COVE LOCATED IN THE FAIRFAX BUSINESS PARK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COVAL ROAD, WEST OF FAIRFAX BOULEVARD.

LANDMARK FINE HOMES IS THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.

MR. S UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING IN THE FAIRFAX OFFICE PARK.

IT'S JUST NORTH OF COVEL, WEST OF, UH, FAIRFAX BOULEVARD.

THAT'S THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.

UH, THE SITE IS ZONED AS A P U D FOR THE OFFICE PARK.

UH, THE BUILDING WILL CONTINUE THE RESIDENTIAL OFFICE STYLE AS SEEN IN THE REST OF THE PARK.

UH, IT WILL BE 4,690, UH, 99 SQUARE FEET AND WILL BE 34 FEET TALL.

UH, THE VENEER WILL BE BRICK AND STONE.

UH, THE PARKING AND ACCESS HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE PARK AND IS NOT A PART OF THIS SITE.

PLAN.

LANDSCAPING IS COMPLIANT AND NO VARIANCES ARE REQUESTED.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SEEING NONE.

WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, SIR.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WE SHOULD SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? SEEING NONE.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO BE MADE BY MEMBERS OF PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME? DO I HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM FIVE E? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

IT IS FINISHED HERE TONIGHT.

IT BRINGS US TO CASE NUMBER Z 23 DASH 0 0 0 1 1.

PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM E L U GENERAL COMMERCIAL LIMITED USE TO P U D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR HAND MADE MIXED USE SOUTHWEST OF WEST EDMOND ROAD AND KELLY AVENUE HANDMADE PROPERTIES.

L L C IS THE APPLICANT.

MR. RIZZO IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THEM.

OKAY, MR. AMS? OKAY, AS YOU SAID, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A P U D FOR A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND SOUTHWEST OF EDMOND ROAD AND KELLY AVENUE INTERSECTION.

UH, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED E L U GENERAL COMMERCIAL LIMITED USE, WHICH IS A RARELY USED DISTRICT THAT WAS INTENDED TO ALLOW APPLICANTS TO CRAFT THE USES AND LIMIT THEM TO JUST A FEW ON THE SITE.

UH, AT THIS POINT, IT IS LIMITED TO A FUNERAL HOME USE ONLY, ALTHOUGH THE SITE IN QUESTION IS VACANT.

UH, THE SURROUNDING ZONING USES INCLUDE COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH AND RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST.

UH, BECAUSE OF THAT, THE P U D UH, INCLUDES A 45 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK, UH, TO THE WEST.

UH, THE USES INCLUDED ARE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE, INCLUDING RETAIL SALES AND SERVICES.

HOWEVER, THINGS LIKE DISPENSARIES WERE NOT INCLUDED.

UH, THE P U D WILL ALLOW THE 3.7 ACRE SITE TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, AS I SAID, WITH COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND RETAIL.

UH, IT ALSO BUFFERS THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST BY PRESERVING THE EXISTING VEGETATION TO SCREEN THE COPPERFIELD NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, IT ALSO SPECIFIES LIGHTING DETAILS THAT REQUIRE DOWN LIGHTING DIRECTED AWAY FROM THE WEST PROPERTY LINE.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID, UH, REQUEST TO INCLUDE SOME LANGUAGE ALLOWING FLEX OFFICE WAREHOUSE SPACE, UH, THAT DO NOT ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE TO THE P U D AND THEY WILL FURTHER LIMIT THIS USE TO THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, LEAVING THE KELLY FRONTAGE FOR RETAIL AND MORE TRADITIONAL OFFICE USES.

THE EDMUND PLAN 2018 DESIGNATES THE SITE AS SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL, WHICH ENCOURAGES RETAIL AND OFFICE USES IN SMALL TO MEDIUM ONE STORY STRUCTURES, OFTEN AT INTERSECTIONS OF ARTERIALS, UH, WHICH COMPLETELY DESCRIBES THIS P U D.

UH, THE

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HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? HEY, RANDY, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE WEST BOUNDARY, THE SENSITIVE BORDER THERE, 15 FEET SETBACK.

THAT SEEMS PRETTY SHALLOW FROM WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE ON A SENSITIVE BORDER, BUT JUST REMIND ME, MAYBE I'M WRONG.

WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.

IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S A LITTLE, THEY'RE GONNA CLARIFY THE WORDING.

IT'S 30 FEET OF VEGETATION AND THEN A 15 FOOT, UH, BUFFER.

SO IT'S 45 FEET TOTAL.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANY SCREENING ON THAT THAT WAS REQUIRED IN THE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF I SAW THE SCREENING BACK THERE.

THEY, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE FENCING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE REMOVAL OF THE VEGETATION.

SO THEY WANTED TO LEAVE THOSE DO IN LIEU OF FENCING.

OKAY.

MR OW EVENING WITH JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES ADDRESS IS ONE HE SHERIDAN AVENUE.

UH, I AGREE WITH STAFF SUMMATION OF THE CASE.

ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, CAUSED THIS P U D TO BE FILED AT THIS POINT, UH, WAS AS THE DEVELOPER WAS LOOKING AT TENANTS AND OTHER USES, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT ACCESS WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE PER CODE, A DRIVEWAY WASN'T ALLOWED ON THE SITE.

AND SO THROUGH THE P U D WAS THE WAY THAT THEY FELT THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT, YES, WE CAN TAKE ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY.

SO FUTURE TENANTS KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN THE NORTH OR THE SOUTHERN COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

SO WE WORKED WITH THE ENGINEERING STAFF AND THE PLANNING STAFF WE CAME UP WITH WITH LANGUAGE.

WE WERE REQUIRED TO ALIGN OUR DRIVE, UH, WITH THE DRIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KELLY.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE GOT THERE, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS PROPERTY DEVELOPED IS THERE WERE, UH, A LOT OF USERS AND TENANTS THAT DIDN'T WANNA MOVE FORWARD UNTIL THEY KNEW THAT GOING THROUGH YOUR SITE PLAN PROCESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT THEY, UH, WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW FOR MORE RETAIL USES OTHER THAN A FUNERAL HOME.

SO WOULD THAT'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? AND YOU SAID YOU, YOU SAID YOU DON'T, WITH THE LANGUAGE AREA, YOU WON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENTS WITH THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.

CORRECT.

IF IT WORKS OUT AND WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS AND GET CROSS ACCESS, IT'S ALWAYS IDEAL.

UH, BUT WITHOUT HAVING IT, IT WOULD'VE ELIMINATED THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS TRACK COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

AND I'M ASSUMING ON EMOND ROAD YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED A CURB CUT OVER THERE 'CAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE GAS STATION CURB CUT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE'S NO ANTICIPATION THAT THERE'D BE ACCESS TAKEN.

RIGHT.

TAKEN UP THROUGH THERE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MR. TSO, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME? WE HAVE NOT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND.

AND THAT PROJECT, SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND THAT WILL BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 28TH.

I THINK THE NOT IT WAS AN APPROPRIATE QUESTION.

WRITE IT DOWN.

THAT'S OKAY.

OKAY.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM.

WELL, ACTUALLY, HAS ANYBODY APPEARED ON ITEM FIVE A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AN EASEMENT CLOSING? MS. D AND AUSTIN BAKER ARE THE APPLICANT'S? YES.

SORRY, I WAS LATE.

WAS NOT SURE WHERE TO GO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WE'LL, UH, JUMP BACK TO THAT VERY QUICKLY.

UH, THAT'S CASE NUMBER E S 23 DASH 0 0 0 1 1 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AN EASEMENT CLOSING LOCATED AT 1 0 0 9 HUNTSMAN ROAD.

MS. D AND AUSTIN BAKER OR THE APPLICANT'S, AND I ASSUME YOU ARE THE APPLICANT AND NOT HEAR IT? NO.

PAUL GO FROM CITY.

CORRECT.

OKAY, GOOD.

OKAY.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CLOSE A PORTION OF A DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S A VERY SMALL PIECE.

UH, THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED INTO THE EASEMENT AND, UH, CLOSING IT IS NEEDED TO CLEAR THE TITLE.

UH, THE PORTION OF THE EASEMENT BEING CLOSED IS, LIKE I SAID, RELATIVELY SMALL AT ITS WIDEST POINT.

IT'S 2.79 FEET.

UH, ENGINEERING HAS REVIEWED AND CONFIRMED THAT IT'S NOT NEEDED FOR THE DRAINAGE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? AND WOULD YOU CARE TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER AT THIS POINT IN TIME ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT? NO, SIR.

YOU COULD.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? SEE NONE UNLESS THERE ARE COMMENTS.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

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I'LL SECOND.

THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND IT IS GOING TO BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST THE 28TH.

UH, THAT BRINGS THIS BACK NOW TO ITEM FIVE G, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION OF THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT HAS BEEN CONDUCTED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

IF I CAN REAL QUICK, UM, JUST A LITTLE BRIEF BACKGROUND IS THE CITY EMBARKED ON A HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UH, BEGINNING LAST NOVEMBER.

AND WE'RE GETTING TO THE WRAP UP STAGE OF THAT.

UH, A DRAFT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW.

UH, THIS IS THE FIRST STUDY OF ITS KIND FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND, AND IT'S SHONE SOME LIGHT ON SOME INTER INTERESTING THINGS.

AND, UH, CHRISTY BATTERSON, THE, UH, MANAGER OF THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEPARTMENT WAS, UH, THE PROJECT LEAD FOR THIS.

AND SHE IS HERE TO COVER SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.

SO, GOOD EVENING.

I'M CHRISTIE BATTERSON, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.

UM, ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES, THE STEERING COMMITTEE, COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND RESIDENTS OF EDMOND, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT YOU THE HOUSING PLAN.

UM, HOUSING ASSESSMENT NEED.

UM, THIS PLAN IS, OUR HOPE IS TO TELL THE STORY OF OUR HOUSING NEEDS AND THAT ARE VITAL TO OUR COMMUNITY, FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

OVER THE PAST DECADE, 94% OF ALL BUILDING PERMITS HAVE ISSU THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED, HAVE BEEN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

UM, SO THAT KIND OF TELLS YOU THE BEGINNING OF THE BACKGROUND OF WHY A HOUSING NEED ASSESSMENT WAS DONE.

NOT ONLY WAS IT A RECOMMENDATION OF EDMOND PLAN 2018, CONCERNS BY MAJOR EMPLOYERS, INCLUDING EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND, UH, UH, OTHER HOSPITALS AND MAJOR WORKFORCES HAD ISSUES GAINING EMPLOYEES BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF HOUSING.

UM, AND SO THIS BECAME A CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC GOAL.

UM, AND WE WERE, UM, ASKED TO PROVIDE A, UM, CONSULTANT TO PROVIDE THIS ASSESSMENT.

SO WHAT THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT DOES, IT'SS GOING TO GAUGE FUTURE DEMAND FOR VARIOUS HOUSING TYPES, UM, OVER, OVER THE CITY, NOT IN ONE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION, BUT THIS IS FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE, PROVIDES A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOUSING SITUATION AND MAJOR GEOGRAPHIC, UM, AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY, LIKE I SAID.

AND IT INCLUDES A DEVELOPMENT OF COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY TO ADDRESS THOSE HOUSING NEEDS IN THE FUTURE.

SO WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES OF THE NEXT 10 YEARS? WHAT DO WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE OR DEFINE OUR GOALS TO BECOME REALITY? AND HOW WILL WE IMPLEMENT IS HOW, WHAT THE PLAN IS GONNA SHOW AND WHAT I'LL KIND OF GO OVER THIS EVENING.

SO THE PROCESS BEGAN IN NOVEMBER OF 2022 WITH DATA COLLECTION, THE CREATION OF A 13 MEMBER STEERING COMMITTEE.

WE CONDUCTED STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, FOCUS GROUPS, AND PROVIDED TWO, UM, SURVEYS TO THE PUBLIC THAT PROVIDED FEEDBACK ON EXISTING CONDITIONS AND PRIORITIES.

SO, LIKE I SAID, IT, IT STARTED BACK IN NOVEMBER WITH A KICKOFF MEETING.

AND OVER THE NEXT SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS, WE WENT FROM STEP ZERO TO STEP THREE WITH ANALYZING THE DATA, UNDERSTANDING THE NEEDS, AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT THE CITIZENS WANTED TO SEE.

AND WE'RE IN THIS FINAL STAGE RIGHT HERE, STEP FOUR.

IN PRESENTING THE REPORT, WE HAD A WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL IN JUNE.

UM, AND, UH, WE ALSO HAD A VIRTUAL OPEN HOUSE SHORTLY AFTER THAT.

UM, AND, UH, AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO KIND OF GIVE YOU, UH, THE FINDINGS AND THEN WE'LL BE AT COUNCIL ON MONDAY FOR ADOPTION.

SO WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT? LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS A 13 MEMBER STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, COMPOSED OF VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING, UH, REAL ESTATE, UM, REALTORS, DEVELOPERS, UH, FINANCE INDIVIDUALS, ADVOCACY, SOCIAL SERVICES, FINANCE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS MEMBERS FROM THE EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOL FOUNDATION, SOME SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL AS LARGE BUSINESS OWNERS.

UM, WE ALSO HAD, UH, STAKE STAKEHOLDER ROUNDTABLES, ABOUT FOUR OF THEM.

IT WAS OVER ABOUT 25 INDIVIDUALS, MORE OF A FOCUS ON REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPERS, UH, UNIVERSITY, UM, INDIVIDUALS, SERVICE PROVIDERS AND RESIDENTS.

THERE WERE FOUR FOR FOCUS GROUPS, TWO ONLINE SURVEYS, UM, THAT RESULTED IN OVER 1700 RESPONSES, UM, FOR THE HOUSING PREFERENCE, UH, OR FOR THE HOUSING NEEDS SURVEY.

AND 450 RESPONSES ON THE HOUSING PREFERENCE.

AND I WILL SAY 93% OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT RESPONDED TO THOSE SURVEYS LIVED INSIDE EDMOND CITY LIMITS.

UM, WE ALSO DID SOME, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH AT THE FARMER'S MARKET HEARD ON, AND AGAIN, THE VIRTUAL OPEN HOUSE.

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SO IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT THE ASSESSMENT SHOWED, THERE WERE SIX KEY THEMES OR KEY FINDINGS.

EDMOND'S HOUSING IS UNATTAINABLE FOR MOST.

64% OF EDMOND RESIDENTS CAN'T AFFORD THE AVERAGE NEW HOME.

THE MARKET IS COMPETITIVE.

UM, WE NEED APPROXIMATELY, AND I'LL TOUCH THIS IN A LITTLE IN A FEW SLIDES, WE NEED APPROXIMATELY 890 UNITS PER YEAR OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH AVAILABLE UNITS TODAY.

THE CITY'S POPULATION IS CHANGING.

UM, RIGHT NOW OUR TWO MAIN, UH, GROUPS OF POPULATION ARE OUR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, WHICH 25 TO 35 YEAR OLDS.

AND OUR, UH, SENIORS 75 AND ABOVE ARE OUR FASTEST GROWING, UM, POPULATION.

BUT IT'S CHANGING FROM WHAT IT HAS BEEN.

TRADITIONALLY, THE HOUSING MARKET IS CREATING CHALLENGES FOR EMPLOYERS.

I'LL TOUCH IT ON THIS IN A LITTLE, IN A FEW SLIDES AS WELL.

BUT 70 PER 75% OF OUR WORKFORCE COMMUTES INTO EDMOND HOUSING.

CHALLENGES VARY ACROSS THE CITY.

WE HAVE OLDER HOUSING STOCK THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN AND WE NEED TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON HOW TO MAINTAIN.

AND EDMOND'S MARKET TRENDS ARE UNUSUAL, ARE UNUSUAL OVER AGAIN.

OVER THE PAST DECADE, 94% HAVE BEEN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

THIS IS, THIS SHOWS, UM, THIS, THERE IS A DEMAND IN ADMIN FOR HOUSING FOR ALL TYPES AND PRICE PO PRICE POINTS, THOSE FOR SALE AND THOSE FOR RENT.

DIVERSIFYING THE HOUSING STOCK WILL HELP MEET THAT NEED OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

NEW HOUSING DEMAND WILL BE DRIVEN PRIMARILY BY NEW DEVELOPMENT AS THE CITY HAS LOW FOR SALE OR FOR RENT VACANCY.

40% OF THE DEMAND IS FOR AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

AND WHEN WE SAY AFFORDABLE OR ATTAINABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, YOUR HOUSING COSTS ALL YOUR RENT OR MORTGAGE, YOUR UTILITY INSURANCE, MAINTENANCE OF YOUR HOME OR APARTMENT HAS TO BE 30% OR BELOW.

SO 40% OF THE DEMAND IS AFFORDABLE.

WORKING WORKFORCE HOUSING, 80% OF AMER OF AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME OR BELOW CAN'T AFFORD THAT.

SO FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, THEIR AVERAGE ANNUAL INCOME IS 68,800.

AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD THAT.

UM, AVERAGE MEDIAN RENT OR MORTGAGE IN EDMOND.

CURRENTLY THERE ARE 200 2200 UNITS DEDICATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THERE IS A NEED FOR, UH, FOR THOSE THAT ARE ELIGIBLE, THE NEED IS OVER 7,800 UNITS.

THIS AGAIN, JUST SHOWS OVER THE PAST DECADE, AGAIN, THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED.

THIS WAS DURING THE RECESSION, UM, AND THERE'S BEEN NO MULTI-FAMILY, UM, THIS PAST YEAR.

SO EDMONDS HOUSING MARKET IS CREATING CHALLENGES FOR, FOR, FOR EMPLOYERS.

UM, WE'RE NOT THAT FAR OFF OF OKLAHOMA CITY M S A.

AND WHEN WE, THE CONSULTANT LOOKED AT THE DATA, THEY LOOKED AT THE METRO AREA, UM, WHEN COMPILING THE DATA AND COMPARING IT.

SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, OUR, OUR ECONOMY IS GROWING FASTER THAN THE OKLAHOMA M SS A AREA.

UM, AND IT'S EVEN FASTER THAN THE STATE LEVEL AND NATIONAL LEVEL.

38,000 JOBS ARE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE HERE IN EDMOND.

AND AGAIN, 75% OF THOSE WORKERS EMPLOYED WITHIN EDMOND LIVE OUTSIDE.

AND THIS ISN'T JUST YOUR, YOUR SERVER OR YOUR BARISTA AT STARBUCKS, THESE ARE TEACHERS, PUBLIC SERVANTS, NURSES, UH, FRONTLINE WORKERS.

MANY HAVE TWO OR THREE JOBS IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

HERE IN EDMOND, 28% OF THE HOUSEHOLDS IN EDMOND ARE COST BURDEN HOUSEHOLDS.

17% OF THOSE ARE HOMEOWNERS.

47% OF THOSE ARE RENTERS.

THE AVERAGE TEACHER MAKES 48,000 A YEAR.

HER MAX ALL IN HOUSING COSTS ARE ALL IN HOUSING COSTS WOULD BE 1200 A MONTH.

AN RN THAT MAKES 78,000 A YEAR, THEIR ALL IN HOUSING COSTS WOULD BE AROUND 1900 MAX.

THIS SHOWS WHERE THE POVERTY, UM, KIND OF RESIDES WHEN THEY MAPPED IT OUT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S MAINLY HERE IN THE CENTRAL PART OF EDMOND.

UM, PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN CREATED TO HELP ADDRESS HOUSING COSTS, TO HELP REDUCE THOSE.

THERE'S SEVERAL PROGRAMS THAT MY DEPARTMENT ALREADY DOES TO HELP, UM, OFFSET THOSE HOUSING COSTS ASSESSMENTS.

AND

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THIS AVERAGE HOME PRICE OR MEDIAN HOME VALUE IS 192,000.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE FURTHER EAST, FURTHER NORTH YOU GO, THE HIGHER THE MEDIAN HOME VALUE GOES.

SO WHAT DID WE LEARN? THERE'S A BROAD SUPAR SUPPORT FOR MORE HOUSING VARIETY IN EDMOND AND SUSTAINABLE DEMAND FOR HOUSING ACROSS ALL PRICE POINTS.

EDMOND NEEDS 8,900 HOMES OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

RIGHT NOW WE DO ON AVERAGE 400 TO 500 UNITS PER YEAR.

SO WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL 400 PER YEAR TO MAKE THAT DEMAND OF 8,900.

SO WHAT'S NEXT IN RESPONSE TO THESE FINDINGS? EDMUND HOUSING ASSESSMENT PROPOSED A STRATEGIES, POLICIES AND TOOLS THAT THE CITY AND THEIR PARTNERS CAN USE TO HELP ENSURE HOUSING OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR HOUSEHOLDS, FOR ALL TYPES, ALL AGES, AND ALL INCOME LEVELS.

NO SINGLE PROGRAM ADDRESSES ALL THE HOUSING CHALLENGES FACING EDMOND SIX HOUSING, UH, SIX HOUSING GOALS AND FOUR STRATEGIES WERE CREATED TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH PROGRAMS, POLICIES, AND BEST PRACTICES OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY KEY HOUSING CHALLENGES, INCREASED HOUSING SUPPLY, CREATE MORE ATTAINABLE OPTIONS FOR YOUNG FAMILIES.

UM, ONE OF THE FOCUS GROUPS WAS THE YOUNG PROFESSIONAL GROUP OUT OF THE CHAMBER, AND THERE WAS SEVERAL OF THEM THAT SAID THAT THEY COULD NOT AFFORD TO LIVE INSIDE EDMOND CITY LIMITS CREATE MORE OPTIONS FOR AGING IN PLACE.

AND THOSE WHO WANT TO DOWNSIZE, I'M SURE WE'RE ALL AWARE OF OUR AGING POPULATION.

IT'S ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING POPULATION.

UM, YOU CAN ASK EDMOND MOBILE MEALS, HOW MANY MEALS THEY ADD WEEKLY, UM, TO HELP OFFSET THE COST FOR THOSE SENIORS SUPPORT AFFORDABLE AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSING OPTIONS THAT SUPPORT OUR AREA, BUSINESSES AND INSTITUTIONS.

AGAIN, REMEMBERING THAT 75% COMMUTE IN, UM, INTO EDMOND IMPROVE CONDITION OF THE OUR OLDER PRE 1990S.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE EVEN EARLIER 1990S, 19 HUNDREDS, AS SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY, UH, HOUSING STOCK WHILE PRESERVING AFFORDABILITY AND EXPAND SUPPORT FOR ALL TYPES OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY.

SO THE FOUR STRATEGIES TO MEET THESE CHALLENGES ARE REDUCE BARRIERS TO EXPAND PRODUCTION FOR ALL HOUSING TYPES, FOR SALE AND FOR RENT.

DIVERSIFY TYPES OF AND PRICE POINTS FOR HOUSING FACILITATE THE IMPROVEMENT IN OLDER HOUSING STOCK CONDITION WHILE PRESERVING THE AFFORDABILITY AND SUPPORT EMPLOYERS, ECONOMIC AND WORKERS THROUGH WORKFORCE HOUSING.

SO FROM THAT, THERE'S 19 PRIORITY TACTICS.

WE CAN'T TACKLE ALL 19 AT ONCE, UM, AS MUCH AS I WISH WE COULD.

UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE IDENT IDENTIFIED THEM WITH THE HELP OF, UH, FOCUS GROUPS AND OUR STEERING COMMITTEE AND BUILDING CAPACITY FOR FUTURE ACTIONS.

WE'VE, UH, IDENTIFIED FIVE EFFORTS, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE CITY'S HOUSING NEEDS AND INPUT, AGAIN FROM THE CITY, UH, STEERING COMMITTEE AND CITY STAFF.

AND THESE PRIORITIES HAVE BEEN SELECTED TO ADDRESS THE CRITICAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY NOW AND SETTING THE GROUNDWORK FOR OUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.

UM, ENSURE THE NEW ZONING CODE ALLOWS FOR MORE HOUSING DIVERSITY.

AS YOU ALL MAY BE AWARE, WE'RE IN THE, LIKE HALFWAY THROUGH ABOUT EIGHT MONTH, EIGHT MONTH NINE KICKED OFF AT THE SAME TIME OF UPDATING OUR ZONING CODE.

UM, THAT SHOULD LAST ANOTHER YEAR APPROXIMATELY, MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER FORM A HOUSING TASK FORCE.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, ASSISTANT PARTICIPATION COMMITTEE THAT I'M PROPOSING TO MOVE TO A HOUSING, UM, HOUSING COMMITTEE OR HOUSING COMMISSION, ESTABLISH A HOUSING FUND, ESTABLISH A BASELINE FOR HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD CONDITIONS THAT CAN BE UPDATED AND THEN CREATE AN EDUCATION PLAN.

ONE OF OUR PARTNERS WAS THE EDMOND BOARD OF REALTORS THAT SPONSORED, HELPED SPONSOR THIS, UM, HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THE SPEARHEAD OF BEING OUR FACES OF EDMOND AND EDMOND TALKS HOUSING TO HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON OUR HOUSING NEEDS, UM, WITH THEM.

AND THE COLLABORATION OF OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUN COMMUNITY IS HOW WE'RE GONNA TACKLE THAT.

AND WE'RE ALREADY WORKING TOWARDS THAT.

THIS KIND OF JUST GIVES A TIMELINE OF THE PRIORITIZATION AND IMPLEMENTATION.

UH, SHORT TERM, I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THESE.

THE TASK FORCE HOUSING FUND, UM, ADDING STAFF.

UH, CURRENTLY I'M A STAFF OF TWO , UM, TO TAKE THIS ON, WHICH IS GONNA REQUIRE US GOING AFTER ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

I'M GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE STAFF, UM, ESTABLISHING THAT BASELINE, UH, USING FUNDING TOOLS TO HELP PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, STREAMLINING THE REVIEW PROCESS, UPDATING THE ZONING CODE, AND THEN MOVING INTO MORE, UM, MORE WORK WITH THE

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SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF CHRISTIE AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

I, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE, UH, MINIMUM MONTHLY AMOUNT WOULD BE ABOUT 1200 AND I COULDN'T DO THE MATH REAL QUICK.

.

SO WHAT WOULD THAT BE IN, UH, FOR A COST OF A HOME BASED ON CURRENT INTEREST RATES? UH, THAT'S JUST 12 FEET.

I MEAN, THAT'S, YEAH.

150,000.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND THAT 1200, YOU SAID THAT WAS INCLUDING OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOME AS WELL, CORRECT.

WAS THAT UTILITIES AS WELL? YES, TOTAL.

SO YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP YOUR HOUSING COSTS BELOW THAT 30%, BUT THAT'S ALL YOUR HOUSING COSTS.

THAT'S UTILITIES, INSURANCE, UM, EITHER MORTGAGE OR RENT.

UM, ALL THOSE COSTS TOGETHER.

OKAY.

WELL, CHRISTIE, I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT.

I, UH, I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS AT CITY COUNCIL WHERE THERE'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE SOME FUN AND HEATED DISCUSSIONS, AND PERHAPS I MAY BE WRONG, BUT, UH, I HOPE THIS WAS GOOD PRACTICE FOR YOU TONIGHT.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU ALL.

OKAY, UH, THAT BRINGS US TO THE ITEM NEW BUSINESS.

DO WE HAVE ANY

[6. New Business - (In accordance with the Open Meeting Act, new business is defined as any matter not known about or which could not have been reasonably foreseen prior to the time of posting of the agenda.)]

IT WAS BASICALLY JUST PRESENTED TO TELL US WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE A REASON.

I GUESS IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND PRACTICE, YOU CAN, BUT IF YOU'D DO ME A FAVOR AND KEEP IT SHORT, BECAUSE, UH, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE VOTING ON IT OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT, WELL, I KNOW I DIDN'T, I WAS SORT OF CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, WHY WE WEREN'T VOTING ON THAT.

AND I CAME HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND ASKED RANDY IF IT, IF, IF THIS WOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE, THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, AND SO I, I WAS GLAD TO SEE THAT AT LEAST WE DID THAT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL BE INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION.

UM, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER BEEN ASKED TO DO A, A, A HOUSING ASSESSMENT.

UH, IT CAME UP UNDER PREVIOUS, UH, ADMINISTRATIONS DURING MINE, UH, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

AND THE STANDARD ANSWER I GOT BACK THEN WAS, UH, THIS IS A MARKET ISSUE AND, UH, THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE THE HOUSING NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND, UH, THE CITY JUST NEEDS TO STAY THE HECK OUT OF IT.

THAT WAS SORT OF, OF SORT OF THE RESPONSE.

UH, MAYBE THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THAT TACKY, BUT, UH, IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.

BUT, UM, I NOTICED A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING THIS PANDEMIC, UH, THAT REALLY, UH, SORT OF SURPRISED ME.

UM, UH, AND I'VE HEARD THIS NATIONALLY THAT, UH, UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST INVESTMENTS FOR INVESTMENT FIRMS IS THE HOUSING MARKET.

IN FACT, IN SPECIFIC WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING MARKET.

AND THERE'S BEEN PROJECTIONS THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, UH, WILL PROBABLY BE OWNED BY MAJOR CORPORATIONS AS MUCH AS 30% IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL TRENDS, BECAUSE IT'S A LUCRATIVE MARKET AND IT'S, IT'S GOT A LOT OF THINGS.

AND, UH, WE HAD A HOUSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GOT BOUGHT BY A COMPANY, AND IT WAS CALLED R M V M FIVE.

L L C.

AND, UH, I THOUGHT, WELL, WHO OWNS THIS GUY'S ? YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS A HOUSE THAT, UH, THEY HAD SOLD TO MAYBE FIVE OR 10 YEARS BEFORE THAT.

AND, UH, THEY HAD HELD IT FOR 10 YEARS AND THEY BROKE EVEN ON IT.

AND THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOOD GETTING OUT OF TOWN.

AND, UH, THIS PARTICULAR OWNER PASSED AWAY AND IT WAS BOUGHT BY THIS GROUP, UH, AND HE MADE $72,000, 70 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS, DOUBLED HIS MONEY OR 50% IMPROVEMENT ON HIS MONEY.

SO MARKETS COME AND GO, OKAY? AND WE'VE SEEN THAT.

UM, ANYWAY, I GOT TO LOOKING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN.

THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY HAD BOUGHT OVER A 140 HOMES IN OKLAHOMA COUNTY, UH, IN A THREE MONTH, FOUR MONTH PERIOD, UH, ALL IN, UH, MAY THROUGH, UH, MARCH THROUGH, UM, UH, JUNE OF, UH, 2021.

AND, UH, I FOUND OUT, UH, 13 OF THOSE HOMES WERE IN EDMOND.

AND I'VE BEEN TRACKING THOSE 13 HOMES IN EDMOND EVER SINCE 2021.

UH, THE HOUSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FINALLY GOT RENTERS TWO YEARS AFTER THAT WAS BOUGHT, UH, OF THE OTHER 13, 12 HOMES.

ONLY ONE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN SOLD.

IT WAS SOLD, UH, FOR A $7,200, $72,000 PROFIT.

THEY BOUGHT IT AT 135 AND SOLD IT FOR $207,000.

ALL THE REST OF THE HOMES HAVE BEEN, UH, VACANT.

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THE CITY'S GETTING NOTHING FOR HAVING WATER AVAILABLE TO THEM OR ELECTRICITY AVAILABLE TO THEM.

THEY DON'T CARE.

I GUESS THE PIPES FREEZE OR WHATEVER.

UM, AND I FOLLOWED THESE HOMES EVERY, UH, THREE OR FOUR TIMES.

THESE, THESE PARTICULAR HOMES HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, THE OWNERSHIP HAS OFFICIALLY CHANGED.

AND I'LL PASS A COPY OF THE SPREADSHEET.

THERE'S TWO PAGES ON IT.

I SENT IT TO YOU, RANDY, I NEVER GOT IT JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.

THIS PICKER CORPORATION IS OUT OF DALLAS, TEXAS OR SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.

UM, THEY'VE CHANGED THE OWNERSHIP, THE NAME OF THE CORPORATIONS ON THEM, UH, SEVERAL TIMES.

BUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY IT'S STILL THE SAME OFFICE WITHIN THE SAME LITTLE SUITE, WITHIN THE SAME LITTLE, UH, ON THE SAME LOCATION AS SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.

THERE ARE ALSO, UH, 16 OTHER CORPORATIONS WITH THAT OWNERSHIP TO THAT PARTICULAR PLACE IN, UH, AT LEAST 16 OTHER STATES, MAYBE MORE.

THIS IS A TEXAS, OKLAHOMA GROUP THAT WE BELONG TO.

UM, THE THE POINT I THOUGHT WAS SORT OF INTERESTING ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT HAPPENS.

I WAS SURPRISED BY THE, UH, THE FACT THAT THEY ACTUALLY TOOK THAT MANY HOMES OFF THE MARKET.

AND WHEN YOU TAKE HOMES OFF THE MARKET, YOU CAUSE A SHORTAGE.

AND THAT'S DRIVEN UP THE PRICE.

AND THEY, THEY, THEY CERTAINLY KNOW WHEN, WHERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, WHEN THEY CAN.

AND SO WE'RE GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE COST OF OUR HOUSING BEING INCREASING SIGNIFICANTLY AS A RESULT OF INVESTMENT PRACTICES.

AND EVERYBODY SAYS, WELL, THAT'S GREAT.

YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS TO SELL THEIR HOUSE FULL MORE MONEY.

BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO REACT TO THAT.

UM, IN THIS MARKET, IN THIS LOCATION, ONE OF THE BEST INVESTMENT FOR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY USED TO BUY A RENT HOUSE.

WE HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR E N A BOARD AND THEY HAVE RENT HOUSES, OKAY? I MEAN, EVERYBODY DOES.

MY DAD DID.

UH, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT YET.

UH UH, BUT ANYWAY, UH, SO WHEN A HOUSE COMES AVAILABLE, UH, BEFORE THE, UH, BEFORE THE AVERAGE CITIZEN MIGHT KNOW ABOUT IT, THOSE HOUSES ARE USUALLY, UH, SOLD.

OKAY? AND YOU'VE SEEN THAT MAYBE YOU'VE PARTICIPATED IN THAT, UH, AND OR IT'S SOLD TO SOMEBODY THAT THEY KNOW OR THEY'RE SOLD TO A FAMILY MEMBER, YOU KNOW, UH, THESE THINGS, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF HOUSES ON THE MARKET.

AND WHEN THERE ARE ON THE MARKET, IT'S A CLOSED MARKET BEFORE IT EVER GETS OUT TO WHERE A REALTOR CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW AND SELL.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE A SITUATION IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE, UH, HOUSES, UH, DON'T SELL.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY REALLY, PEOPLE LIVE A LONG TIME THIS MONTH.

WE'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE WE BOUGHT IN 1978 FOR 45 YEARS.

WE'VE HAD MEMBERS OF OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO LEFT IT IN, LEFT AS AN INHERITANCE TO THEIR CHILDREN, THE HOUSE WHO, UNTIL LAST WEEK, THEY LIVED IN THAT HOUSE 45 YEARS.

THAT'S INCREDIBLE.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TURNOVER OVER HERE.

AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE THOSE HOUSES THERE, THEY'RE ALL MID-RANGE HOUSES.

THEY'RE ALL HOUSES IN MODEST NEIGHBORHOODS, CHISOLM CREEK, KELLY PARK.

UH, MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAPPENED TO BE ONE OF THE, THE MORE, UH, HIGHER END I GUESS, BUT IT WASN'T ALL THAT EXPENSIVE HOUSES, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REASONABLE HOUSES.

UH, SO IT'S A TIGHT MARKET.

AND, UM, OKLAHOMA CITY AND MORE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS, AND THEY'VE COME UP WITH A PLAN WHERE THEY HAVE MORTGAGE COMPANIES ACTUALLY DO PROJECTS WHERE PART OF THE, OF THE HOUSING IS RESERVED FOR LOW INCOME FOLKS SO THAT YOU GET NORMAL HOUSING THAT IS SUBSIDIZED BY FEDERAL SUBSIDIES FOR THE LOW INCOME FOLKS, AND THEY RESERVE A CERTAIN ONE.

THERE'S, UM, OKLAHOMA CITY, MOORE'S DONE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS LIKE THAT.

THEY ARE THE LOW INCOME HOUSES.

SO I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, AND I KNOW WE'RE JUST SETTING UP SOME COMMITTEES FOR THIS, FOR FUTURE STUDY, BUT, UM, UH, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR THE CITY AND A AND A DANGEROUS STEP IN A WAY FOR THE CITY TO GET INVOLVED IN, TRY AND PREDICT WHAT THE HOUSING MARKET WE'RE GOING TO DO.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'D LIKE TO THINK THAT, UM, WE'RE STILL A FREE AND FREE ENTERPRISE ECONOMY

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AND, UH, I THINK THE CITY'S ROLE IN THIS OUGHT TO BE MINIMAL.

UH, I NOTICED THAT CHRISTIE HANDS OUT A PROGRAM THAT, AND WE HAVE HAD A PROGRAM FOR A LONG TIME WHERE WE PROVIDE INCENTIVES AND INDUCEMENTS FOR NEW HOME BUYERS.

I THINK WHAT IS CHRISTIE HAVE TO, HOW MUCH DID WE POSSIBLY LOAN OR SHARE? 14,000, $14,000 FOR A NEW HOMEOWNER? WE DID FOUR OF 'EM LAST YEAR.

WE, NO, WE DID NOT.

WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE.

OKAY, BUT LAST YEAR IN YOUR REPORT, WE DIDN'T SAY FOUR.

I THOUGHT IT SAID FOUR, RIGHT? I'M GIVING YOU CREDIT FOR SOMETHING, I THOUGHT.

BUT THAT'S THE PROGRAM THAT WE REALLY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS WE REALLY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON EDUCATING OUR NEW HOME BUYERS.

BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT MARKET SAVVY, IF THEY'RE NOT INVESTMENT, IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CAN BORROW, AND, UH, YOU YOU CAN'T DO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO VERY WELL IN THIS MARKET.

OKAY? IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE MARKET.

AND THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS THAT OKLAHOMA CITY AND MOORE HAVE DONE, WHERE THEY HAVE PROGRAMS WHERE THEY HAVE A, UH, THEY, THEY REQUIRE THE NEW HOMEOWNERS, UH, THE, THE, THE WANT TOBE FIRST TIMERS TO ACTUALLY GO AND, UH, GET AN, GET A FINANCIAL ASSESSMENT AS TO WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD.

SO THAT HELPS NARROW DOWN THE PROBLEMS FOR THEM.

OKAY? SO ANYWAY, THE OTHER PART, I, ONE LAST COMMENT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE AN EDMOND WITH, WITH AN EXTRA EDMOND ON THE SIDE.

I USED TO CALL IT THE GREATER EDMOND AREA.

THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN WITH THE EDMOND MAILING ADDRESS GO TO EDMOND SCHOOLS, UH, THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF MUNICIPAL EDMOND.

THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR HOUSING MARKET AND OUR WORK ECONOMY.

AND FOR NOT SAYING WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE PEOPLE WITH LOW INCOME, UH, FOR THE LOW INCOME JOBS LIVE IN EDMOND, IT IS SORT OF WRONG BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF HOUSING ON THE PERIPHERY OF EDMOND THAT PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THEY BELONG TO EDMOND, WHO PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITY A LOT, JUST AS MUCH AS, AS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN, IN THE BOUNDARIES OF EDMOND THAT PARTICIPATE IN OUR LABOR MARKET.

AND TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO, TO WORK IN OUR EDMOND AREAS, AND WE NEED TO FIND HOUSING THAT'S A COUPLE OF BLOCKS CLOSER.

IT'S JUST SORT OF STRANGE.

OKAY? SO ANYWAY, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

BUT, UH, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM BEING CREATED BY FORCES BEYOND OUR CONTROL AS A RESULT OF THESE INVESTMENT COMPANIES THAT ARE COMING THERE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO GET LESS, IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.

AND, UH, WE, WE NEED TO FIND SOMETHING THAT DEALS WITH THAT BECAUSE, UH, UH, A LOT OF THOSE ACTIONS THAT HAPPEN ARE AFFECTED BY DECISIONS BY YOUR BOARD.

THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

WELL, I GUESS SINCE WE OPEN IT UP, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THIS REALLY WASN'T A PURPOSE OF COMMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THIS WAS MORE, UH, PRESENTATION TO US, AND IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

MAYBE YOU CAN LET ME PRACTICE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

I TELL YOU WHAT, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ABOUT THREE MINUTES TO PRACTICE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

I CAN SAY WHAT I NEED TO SAY IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.

MY NAME IS ROBERT SEAMANS, 1821 COURTNEY LANE.

I SERVE ON THE COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING LEADERSHIP COUNCIL.

UH, JUST WANNA SAY THREE LETTERS TO YOU, O Y O, UH, OR, UH, ASSUME, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY WELL KNOWN, UH, PLACE THAT WAS SHUT DOWN AS A PUBLIC NUISANCE.

IT WAS A, A, WHAT I, THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME IS HIGH DENSITY, LOW INCOME, KIND OF A FLOP HOTEL.

WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THESE PROJECTS WOULD BECOME FLOP HOTELS, BUT POVERTY HAS A GRAVITY TO IT.

IT ATTRACTS THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK WE WANT IN OUR COMMUNITY AT ALL FOR ANY REASON.

UH, DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, HUMAN AND CHILD TRAFFICKING.

CHILD TRAFFICKING BEING A HUGE DEAL ON EVERYBODY'S MIND SINCE THE MOVIE, UH, SOUND OF FREEDOM, UM, ALCOHOL ABUSE, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THAT DRAMATICALLY INCREASES THE NEED FOR POLICING.

UH, THAT'S BASICALLY MY COMMENT.

BUT I WANNA SAY ONE OTHER THING.

WHEN I, WHEN I SAW THAT THIS WAS ALL HAPPENING IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, CERTAINLY REMEMBER WHAT WAS GOING ON IN 2022.

WE WERE ALL STILL PRETTY MUCH LOCKED DOWN.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE ALL, UH, LIMITED IN, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT, INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND, UH, I KNOW, I MEAN, I SERVE, I SERVE ON A, A COMMITTEE.

MY MOST OF MY ENERGY THAT I HAVE TO GIVE TO SERVICE TO THE CITY ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS IS KIND OF FOCUSED OVER ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND WE GOT A

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UM, AND I'VE NEVER RECEIVED AN EMAIL.

I'VE NEVER RECEIVED AN INVITE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THIS EVER, YOU KNOW, HURT ON HERD.

I DON'T USUALLY GO TO THAT.

OCCASIONALLY I'LL GO TO A HERD ON HER.

BUT WHEN I WAS THERE, I NEVER SAW ANY PLACE WHERE I COULD, UH, BE QUERIED ABOUT MY THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS ABOUT THIS SORT OF THING.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO EVERYTHING THAT DAN SAID.

I THINK HE MADE SOME ABSOLUTELY EX EXCELLENT POINTS.

BUT, UM, I'M, I'M REALLY BOTHERED.

I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT, THAT I WAS NOT ASKED.

THEY HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER, THEY HAVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY SYSTEM.