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GENTLEMEN, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WILL CALL
[1. Call to Order.]
TO ORDER THE TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2023 MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.[2. Consideration of Approval of Meeting Minutes: 9/5/2023]
THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF THE MINUTE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MEETING OF 9 5 20 23.HAVE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES, ADDITIONS, OR DELETIONS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
WELL, YOU GUYS WANNA TRY AGAIN? LET'S TRY ONE MORE TIME.
WHERE'S DWIGHT? CAN'T LET THE ATTORNEY DO THE IT REVIEW.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, LET'S, UH, BETTER TAKE A VOICE VOTE.
UH, THAT BRINGS US, UH, ONTO OUR PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION DOCKET.
NOW, BEFORE WE GET ALONG TOO FAR, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THE LAST MEETING, WE, WE ALMOST SET A RECORD.
IT WAS A THREE MINUTE MEETING AND I WAS HOPING TO BEAT THAT TONIGHT.
SO IF EVERYBODY COULD LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
MY WIFE TELLS ME I'M NOT VERY FUNNY.
UH, PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSSION DOCKET, UH, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE DOCKET
[A. Case #ES23-00012 Public Hearing and Consideration of a Street and Utility Easement Closing located on the south side of Kickingbird, east of Bryant Avenue. (Juniper Kickingbird, LP) (Ward 2)]
IS CASE NUMBER E S 23 DASH 0 0 0 1 2.PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF A STREET AND UTILITY EASEMENT CLOSING LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF KICKING BIRD EAST OF BRYANT AVENUE.
LP IS THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT MR. ENTZ.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CLOSE A STREET AND UTILITY EASEMENT ON KICKING BIRD ROAD EAST OF BRYANT AVENUE.
UH, IT'S JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BLACKJACK OAKS APARTMENT PROJECT.
UH, THE CLOSING AND STREET UTILITY EASEMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECENTLY APPROVED FINAL PLAT.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN NO OBJECTIONS RECEIVED FROM THE FRANCHISE.
UH, EDMOND ELECTRIC HAS THEIR, UH, SERVICES COVERED BY AN EASEMENT PROVIDED ON THE FINAL.
PLATT AND ENGINEERING HAS ALSO REVIEWED AND SUPPORTS THE CLOSING.
UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SEEING NONE, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER? AND IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? ANY COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE.
[B. Discussion of the Urban Residential Overlay (URO), to be applied to three different areas surrounding downtown. (Ward 1) ]
THE DISCUSSION OF THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY TO BE APPLIED TO THREE DIFFERENT AREAS OF SURROUNDING DOWNTOWN.UH, BEFORE WE HEAR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO NOTE WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT.
AS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY, UH, I KNOW, UH, PROBABLY SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY APPEARED AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY.
I'M GOING TO ASK IN ORDER TO ECONOMIZE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, IF PEOPLE ADDRESSING THE ISSUE, IF IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, BY OTHERS, PLEASE TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UH, AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS, UH, IN, IN THE FUTURE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
BECCA, IF YOU WILL PLEASE PROCEED.
UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
I'M ONE OF THE CURRENT PLANNERS.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW ME, AND I AM HERE TO PRESENT THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY.
SO WHAT IS THE OVERLAY? UH, THE FIRST THING THAT I WANNA ADDRESS IS THAT THIS IS THE, NOT THE FIRST OVERLAY THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE ACTIVE OVERLAYS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF EDMOND, UM, INCLUDING THE DOWNTOWN OVERLAY, THE GREEK DISTRICT OVERLAY, THE I 35 DISTRICT OVERLAY ROUTE 66 AND THE ARCADIA LAKE DISTRICT OVERLAY.
SO IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED IN THE FUTURE, UM, IT WOULD BE THE SIXTH OVERLAY THAT THE CITY DOES HAVE.
THERE ARE THREE SEPARATE COMPONENTS, UH, AREAS TO THE EURO U R O.
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IS TO ALLOW FOR LIVE WORK UNITS AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO BE BUILT BY RIGHT WITHIN THESE THREE AREAS.TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES ARE ALSO NO LONGER REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, BUT THEY MUST STILL HAVE THE CORRECT ZONING.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED THESE THREE AREAS NEAR DOWNTOWN AND U C O FROM PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THE EDMUND BUILDS PROGRAM.
IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SEE ON HERE, BUT THE FIRST ONE IS THIS AREA.
THIS AREA IS THE SECOND ONE, AND THEN OVER HERE IS THAT THIRD AREA.
SO THESE AREAS HAVE PROXIMITY BOTH TO DOWNTOWN AND TO U C O, MAKING THEM GREAT CANDIDATES FOR DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT AS WALKABILITY, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND THE DESIRE TO BE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN BECOME MORE PREVALENT, THESE AREAS ARE ALSO SEEING THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND OVER THIS OVERLAY SEEKS TO STREAMLINE, UH, AND EQUALLY APP APPLY THESE REGULATIONS ACROSS THE THE BOARD.
UH, A QUESTION REGARDING OUTREACH WAS ASKED WHEN THIS WAS, UM, PRESENTED IN FRONT OF URBAN BOARD LAST WEEK, AND OUR TEAM FOR THE EDMOND BUILDS PROGRAM DID HAPPEN TO SEND OUT OVER 1000 POSTCARDS AND LETTERS COMBINED TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS WITHIN THESE AREAS.
EMAILS TO PARENTS OF THE IDA FREEMAN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS OVER ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
THEY WENT DOOR TO DOOR TO PROVIDE OVER 400 SURVEYS FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN THESE AREAS AND HELD TWO PUBLIC MEETING OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH WITHIN THESE AREAS.
OVERALL, THEY DID HAVE A LOWER RESPONSE RATE, BUT RECEIVED VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS, IMPROVING THE EXTERIOR APPEARANCES OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, DEVELOPMENT OF STARTER HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES SUCH AS BARBERS, COFFEE SHOPS, AND SMALL CONVENIENCE STORES, MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES, ENHANCED WALKABILITY, AND TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE WORKING FAMILY.
SO LIVE WORK UNITS, WHAT ARE THEY? THEY ARE EXACTLY WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE.
THEY CONSIST OF BOTH A LIVE COMPONENT AND A WORK COMPONENT.
THEY'RE BUILDINGS THAT COMBINE BOTH WORKSPACE AND RESIDENTIAL INTO THAT SINGLE STRUCTURE.
I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE TWO STORIES.
THEY CAN BE ONE STORY WHERE THE COMMERCIAL WORK CAN BE IN THE FRONT AND THE RESIDENTIAL CAN BE IN THE BACK.
EVEN THOUGH WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS, THEY ARE ALL TWO STORIES
UM, THIS CENTER PHOTO HAPPENS TO BE A LOCAL, UH, EXAMPLE DOWN IN THE WHEELER DISTRICT DOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OKLAHOMA CITY.
SO ALL LIVE WORK UNITS WILL STILL NEED TO HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WILL BE REVIEWED BY ALL THE RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE CODE COMPLIANCE.
THE WORK PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE IS LIMITED AND CANNOT EXCEED MORE THAN 50% OF THE TOTAL BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND NO LIVE WORK STRUCTURE CAN EVER BE CONVERTED COMPLETELY TO THE WORK OR COMMERCIAL PORTION.
THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE BUSINESS SHALL BE THE PRIMARY RESIDENT BECAUSE OF THEIR PROXIMITY TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE LIMITED THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ALLOWED ON THE PREMISE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
UH, THE HOT TOPIC OF OFF STREET PARKING MUST ALSO BE PROVIDED.
THERE'S A LIST OF PROHIBITED USES WITHIN THESE UNITS, WHICH GENERALLY INCLUDE THE INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES THE MARIJUANA AND LIQUOR SALES, UH, AND ONSITE CONSUMPTION OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS OR ADUS.
WHAT ARE THEY? THEY'RE LIVING ACCOMMODATIONS THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE IN SOME FORM THEY'RE SOMETIMES REFERRED TO.
YOU MIGHT HEAR THEM CALLED GRANNY FLATS OR MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITES.
THEY'RE USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING MIXED HOUSING, SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, A GUEST HOUSE, OR EVEN A PROXIMITY RESIDENCE.
FOR AGING PARENTS OR ADULT CHILDREN, THERE ARE THREE TYPES.
THERE ARE ATTACHED NEW, WHICH CAN BE, UH, ABOVE, BELOW OR BEHIND THE EXISTING PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
OR THERE'S CONVERSION, WHICH IS RENOVATING AN EXISTING SPACE WITHIN THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OR AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.
CURRENTLY, ADUS ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY WITHOUT THE REQUIREMENT OF HAVING A SEPARATE ADDRESS, A SEPARATE UTILITY ACCOUNT, OR A SEPARATE DRIVEWAY.
THIS OVERLAY WILL ALLOW THEM TO BE BUILT BY RIGHT WITH THE PROPERTY PERMITTING AND LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS, WHICH CAN BE, UH, VERY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU CALL FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
AND FINALLY, WE HAVE TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES.
SO WHAT ARE THEY? THEY ARE EXACTLY WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE THEY'RE BUILDINGS WITH THREE AND FOUR UNITS FOR RESPECTIVELY.
WHILE THIS OVERLAY ALLOWS LIVE WORK UNITS AND ADUS TO BE, UH, BUILT BY RIGHT THROUGHOUT THESE AR AREAS, IT TREATS TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
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SO THE PARCEL MUST BE ZONED FOR A TRIPLEX OR A QUADPLEX.THE PARCEL MUST BE ZONED PROPERLY TO ALLOW FOR A TRIPLEX OR A QUADPLEX.
SO IF IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ZONED TO ALLOW FOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE, IT HAS TO COME THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO GET REZONED.
SO THEY CANNOT BE DEVELOPED IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THIS OVERLAY DOES NOT REMOVE THAT REZONING REQUIREMENT, ONLY THE SITE PLAN.
WHAT THIS OVERLAY DOES REMOVE IS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
SO CURRENTLY BOTH TYPES OF HOUSING GO THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN PROCESS.
EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE CONSIDERED SMALLER SCALE RESIDENTIAL, THEY WILL STILL REQUIRE THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH MUST BE REVIEWED BY ALL RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION, ALL OF THE LOTS SET BACK AND STRUCTURAL DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS REMAIN THE SAME AS THE APPROPRIATE RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
AND NO CHANGES ARE BEING MADE THERE ONLY THE REMOVAL OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
THE BENEFIT OF REMOVING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS IS SIMPLE.
THE SITE PLAN PROCESS IS MEANT FOR COMMERCIAL OR HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS, NEITHER WHICH TRY OR QUADPLEXES BELONG.
OUR SITE PLAN PROCESS HAS EXTENSIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR LANDSCAPING, PARKING, SOLID WASTE AND DRAINAGE JUST TO NAME A FEW, WHICH ARE ALL APPROPRIATE FOR LARGER OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THEY PREVENT THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
REMOVING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS ALSO REMOVES THAT FINANCIAL BURDEN FROM THE DEVELOPER, WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY TRICKLE DOWN TO THE OWNER OR RESIDENT OF, UM, EVENTUALLY TENANT OR OWNER.
IT BECOMES MORE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO ALSO DEVELOP THIS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.
UH, SO WE DID PRESENT THIS AT URBAN BOARD AND WE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK FROM BOTH BOARD MEMBERS AND HIS CITIZENS, WHICH PROMPTED CHANGES FROM THE FIRST VERSION.
UM, YOU'LL SEE IN THE VERSION INCLUDED WITH THE, UH, AGENDA THAT IT'S GOT SOME RED STRIKE-THROUGH MARKS.
THAT'S WHERE THESE CHANGES TAKE PLACE.
UH, THE NAME EURO E U R O WAS CHANGED TO U R O AS IT APPARENTLY HELD TOO MUCH RESEMBLANCE TO EUROPE.
WE, UH, THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT HOAS THAT STATED THEY COULD NOT LIMIT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LIVE WORK UNIT OR AN A D U.
WE REMOVED THAT LANGUAGE COMPLETELY, SO THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THAT.
UH, ASIDE FROM THE RESIDENCE OF A LIVE WORK UNIT, WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES ALLOWED FROM FIVE TO TWO, AND THE NUMBER OF PERSONS ON THE PREMISE FROM EIGHT TO FIVE.
AGAIN, THIS DOES NOT, UH, THIS IS EXCLUDING THE RESIDENTS OF THE UNIT.
LIVEWORK UNITS ORIGINALLY HAD A ZERO SIDE YARD SETBACK.
THIS RECEIVED A LOT OF PUSHBACK, SO WE DID CHANGE IT TO THREE FEET WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IT CAN BE ZERO, ZERO FEET FOR THOSE THAT ARE GONNA BE ATTACHED LIVE WORK UNITS.
AND WE DID ADDRESS PRIVACY CONCERNS FOR TWO STORY DETACHED REAR YARD ADUS.
UH, SO THE, UM, TWO STORY ADUS, NOT ABUTTING AN ALLEY IN THE REAR YARD.
THE SETBACK IS GONNA BE 20 FEET FROM THAT REAR YARD PROP PROPERTY LINE.
THE ALLEY DOES ADD THAT ADDITIONAL 20 FEET IN BETWEEN PROPERTIES, SO IT SEEMED UNREASONABLE TO HAVE 40 FEET, UH, SETBACKS ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
THE SIDE YARD SETBACK DOES REMAIN AT THREE FEET, BUT WE REMOVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE OF THE SECOND STORY.
UH, IF IT SITS AT FIVE FEET OR CLOSER.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THE RESIDENT CANNOT LOOK OVER INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE YARD.
UH, WE TRIED TO ILLUSTRATE IT HERE.
IF IT HAS THREE FEET HERE, IT CANNOT HAVE A WINDOW ON THIS SIDE YARD.
UM, THIS IS A PROPERTY WITH A REAR 20 FOOT ALLEY SO THEY CAN SIT FIVE FEET BECAUSE THEY HAVE 20 FOOT ALLEY.
AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE THEIR REAR YARD NEIGHBOR HERE FOR A PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A REAR YARD ALLEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIS 20 FOOT SETBACK HERE.
AGAIN, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, UM, OF THREE FEET DOES APPLY, BUT ANYTHING CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET IS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A WINDOW.
SORRY, THAT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ OVER HERE.
UM, AND THOSE DRAWINGS ARE NOT TO SCALE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRAW.
UM, YEAH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL HAPPILY DIRECT THEM TO RANDY AND DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK OF BECCA AT THIS POINT IN TIME? UH, MR WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER? UH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE LIMITS ON PEOPLE IN THE LIVE WORK, UH, KIND OF UNITS IS EXCLUSIVE TO THE WORK SIDE, NOT THE LIVE SIDE.
SO YOU CAN TREAT IT LIKE YOUR RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, THE REASON FOR THAT, OR THE REASON FOR LIVE WORK
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UNITS AND TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEX IS TO START BEING TREATED A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN OUR OPINION IS THAT, UH, THEY CAN BOTH BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CODE AND THEY CAN BOTH BE CONSTRUCTED WITH RESIDENTIAL LOANS.THE ONLY THING TREATING THEM LIKE NOT RESIDENTIAL IS THE ZONING CODE.
SO WE TRYING TO MAKE THOSE A LINE IN THIS AREA.
OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I KNOW KENNETH HAD TO SIT THROUGH THIS TWICE.
I I DID WE CAPTURE EVERYTHING YOU HEARD THE OTHER NIGHT IN OUR CHANGES, I HOPE.
AND CLEARLY LAID OUT THE CHANGES THAT EVER THAT PEOPLE ASK FOR.
SO, SO THE, YOU YOU MENTIONED THE BUILDING CODES IS, I MEAN, SO WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH THAT.
I MEAN, THIS CHANGE OF DOING THIS OVERLAY, IS THAT ALSO GONNA BE GOING DOWN? YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIVE WORK UNITS.
THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE ALL HAVE TO BE RESIDENTIAL CODING, NOT COMMERCIAL, I ASSUME.
AND THE STATE BUILDING CODE ALLOWS THAT.
THE RECENT CHANGES TO IT ALLOW THAT.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE A RELATIVELY, IT'S A PRETTY SMALL AREA.
I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU SOUND LIKE REVERB COMING TOO.
SO ANYWAY, BUT, UH, IS HE BACK THERE ONE, ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE? I THINK IT'S ECHOING.
UH, WE'LL SEE, UH, WE'LL SEE IF, HOPEFULLY THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT FOR US.
UH, WE DON'T CONTROL THE SOUND UP HERE.
AND, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT, IT COVERS 0.5 SQUARE MILES OF THE CITY.
ALL THREE OF THEM, ALL THREE OF THEM ARE IN TOTAL 0.5 A HALF SQUARE MILE.
IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE COME FORWARD, IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY NAME AND ADDRESS AND AGAIN, UH, RAISE YOUR HANDS WHEN YOU'RE READY AND I'LL ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD.
WE HAVE A LADY IN BACK AND SHE'S QUITE EAGER, SO WE'LL START WITH HER.
BILLY PUTNAM AND I LIVE IN COVELL VILLAGE AREA.
I APPRECIATE, UH, YOU LETTING US SPEAK TONIGHT AND I TRULY APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT YOU'VE MADE TO THE EURO.
IT DOES HELP SOMEWHAT, HOWEVER, I AM STILL APPALLED THAT A BROAD SPECTRUM OF CITIZENS WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE CREATION OF THIS EURO AND WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN EDMOND FOR SOME TIME.
IT HAS CONFLICT WRITTEN ALL OVER IT.
HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVEN ASKED THE RESIDENTS IN THESE AREAS WHAT THEY THINK? HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? HOW MANY OF YOU SPOKEN TO? WELL, I ACTUALLY OWN PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, AND I GUESS THAT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARILY RELEVANT.
HAVE I ASKED AND I HAVE GOT FEEDBACK.
WELL, I, MY FRIENDS AND I WALKED THE STREETS, UM, THIS LAST WEEK.
WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO DO A WHOLE LOT, BUT I WAS ABLE TO C COVER ALL OF THE AREAS AND IN THE PLACES IN YELLOW, WE SIMPLY ASKED THE RESIDENTS THERE, UM, HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THE PLAN.
WERE THEY FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, EURO AND WERE THEY FOR AGAINST OR UNDECIDED? 81% WERE AGAINST THE PLAN.
THERE WAS ONLY ONE PERSON WHO WAS FOR IT AND HE WOULDN'T SIGN.
UH, MY UM, LITTLE THING I HAD MADE
SO I'M SIMPLY ASKING YOU, ARE YOU LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS WHO ARE LIVING THERE? ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
TELL THAT TO THE POOR RENTER NEAR NORTHERN HILLS, WHO IS HAVING TO MOVE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH BECAUSE DARREN WEBB IS TEARING DOWN HIS HOME TO QUOTE, REPLACE IT WITH ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HE'S FOUND HOUSING AT YO-YO RUN BY A SOUTH, UH, SAUDI ARABIAN WOMAN, BUT IT'S COSTING HIM $150 A MONTH MORE.
AND HE SAID HE JUST COULDN'T EVEN AFFORD THAT.
THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IDEA STINKS FOR HIM.
THEM, ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS IS THAT THE HOMEOWNERS CAN PUT AN AIRBNB OR ONE OF THOSE LITTLE HOUSES TO GENERATE INCOME FOR THEM.
I REALLY THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS SAID TO ME, IF I COULD HAVE AFFORDED TO DO THAT, I WOULD'VE ALREADY DONE IT.
YOUR REASONING REALLY, I THINK IS PIE IN THE SKY.
THESE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE HOMES ON SHIRLEY LANE WITH THEIR GORGEOUS TREES ARE AT RISK.
I MET WITH HOMEOWNERS WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOR 63 YEARS.
THEY DON'T DESERVE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THEM.
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WE FEEL HELPLESS.IS THIS ANOTHER DAVID CHAPMAN DOING? A LADY LIVING ON MAIN STREET NEAR BARNETT PARK SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN TRUST THE CITY.
WHEN THEY PUT THE PARK IN, THEY TOLD US THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT IN RESTROOMS. IT STILL DOESN'T HAVE RESTROOMS. HOW COULD I POSSIBLY TRUST THEM ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS? I REALIZE CITY IS NOT, UH, EDNA IS NOT THE ONLY CITY THAT IS DEVELOPER DRIVEN.
ROBERT X. KENNEDY IN THIS ARTICLE, AND HE'S NOT EVEN MY PARTY.
BUT IT'S SO INTERESTING BECAUSE HE SAYS CORPORATIONS ARE KILLING THE DREAM.
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL REPORTED IN 2021, THAT 200 CORPORATIONS WERE AGGRESSIVELY BUYING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, INCLUDING ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING RENTAL PRICES.
STATE LINE INVEST, UH, HAS SAID INVESTORS PURCHASED 24% OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BOUGHT IN 2021.
AND IN 2022, THE NUMBER CLIMBED TO 28% MET LIGHT INVESTMENT.
UH, MANAGEMENT SAID INVESTORS COULD OWN UP TO 40% OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BY 2030.
MR. KENNEDY CALLS THIS A CRISIS.
HE NOTED THAT LARRY FINK, THE C E O OF BLACKROCK IS A, HE IS DOING A LOT OF THIS IS A WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM BOARD MEMBER.
THE WF IS A BILLIONAIRE BOYS CLUB THAT MEETS IN DAVOS EVERY YEAR AND HAS A PLAN, WHICH IS CALLED THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND WHAT THEY CALL THE GREAT RESET, HE SAID, CLAUS SCHWAB, WHO WROTE THE BOOK ON THAT AGENDA SAYS THAT YOU'LL OWN NOTHING AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU FOLKS, WE ARE NOT HAPPY.
IF WE HAD WANTED AN URBAN CITY, WE WOULD'VE MOVED ELSEWHERE.
I REALIZE THAT MANY OF THESE HOMES HAVE ALREADY BEEN SWALLOWED UP AND THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE ALREADY BEING DONE.
BUT REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF TRIPLEXES AND QUAD QUADPLEXES IS NOT THE DIRECTION YOU SHOULD BE GOING.
IN FACT, IF YOU ASK ME, THE SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE GOING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN REVIEWS TOO.
WE'VE GOTTEN TOO LAX AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRANSPARENCY.
I REALLY, AFTER WALKING THE AREAS, CONCEDE THAT THE AREA EAST OF THE UNIVERSITY IS REALLY ALREADY A LOST CAUSE.
BUT I IMPLORE YOU TO RETHINK THE AREAS WEST OF BOULEVARD TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
I THINK TO THE AREA TO THE EAST OF THAT IS ALREADY A LOST CAUSE TOO BECAUSE THERE ARE ALREADY SO MANY BIG HUMONGOUS BUILDINGS GOING IN.
I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO RECONSIDER FROM KELLY TO FRETS ALSO, ONE GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES THERE IN THE TRAILERS ON MAIN SAID TO ME, WHERE IS MY FAMILY GOING TO? HOW CAN YOU IN YOUR HEART DO ALL OF THIS TO THESE POOR PEOPLE? THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO FIGHT YOU.
YOU KNOW, I USED TO TEACH ETHICS IN MY CLASS.
I DON'T THINK HE MUST HAVE LEARNED ANYTHING BECAUSE WE USED TO TEACH.
IT COULD BE AWFUL, A LAWFUL, BUT IS IT ETHICAL? IT COULD BE LAWFUL, BUT IS IT ETHICAL? THIS PLAN FOR THE CITY, THE WAY IT'S GOING TO LOOK, IS REALLY, I THINK, UNETHICAL FOR OUR CITIZENS.
I URGE YOU TO REWORK THE LAN BORDERS TO EXCLUDE WEST OF BOULEVARD TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS BETWEEN THATCHER AND DANFORTH AND SECOND TO CAMPBELL BETWEEN FRETS AND KELLY.
LET'S DON'T CHANGE THE HEARTBEAT OF SACRIFICING OUR CITIZENS FOR A FEW GREEDY DEVELOPERS.
THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN THESE THREE AREAS DON'T WANT THIS.
AND I BET IF YOU TOOK A VOTE, WHICH I WISH YOU WOULD HAVE, OF ALL THE EDMOND KNIGHTS, THEY WOULDN'T WANT THIS DENSIFICATION AS YOU CALL IT EITHER.
I'M GONNA POLITELY ASK ONE TIME, ONE TIME ONLY.
WE DO NOT NEED APPLAUSE EVERY TIME SOMEBODY SPEAKS OR I WILL HAVE THE ROOM CLEARED.
WOULD SOMEONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? YES SIR.
COLONEL, UH, JIM PUTMAN RETIRED FROM TINKER AIR FORCE BASE AS THE INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR THE 22,000 PEOPLE THAT WORK AT LIB AT TINKER.
AND I RETIRED AFTER 14 MORE YEARS WITH NORTHWOOD GRUMAN
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ON THE SOUTH BOMBER PROGRAM MOST OF THE TIME.FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
CURRENTLY I'M THE COMMISSIONER IN THE OKLAHOMA AERON AGS COMMISSION AMONG SEVERAL O OTHER ACTIVITIES.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, UH, WHAT YOU DO.
I MOVED TO EDMOND TO LIVE IN A SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT WITH GOOD SCHOOLS.
I DID NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A COLOGNE OF SOUTH CHICAGO OR A SIMILAR, SIMILAR HIGH DENSITY URBAN ENVIRONMENTS WITH THE ATTENDANT NOISE, CRIME, TRAFFIC PROBLEMS OF PARKING, SHOPPING, AND OVERALL COMPLEXITY OF HIGH DENSITY CITY LIVING.
I LIKE LAWNS TREES, KNOWING MY NEIGHBORS AND BEING ABLE TO WALK MY DOG THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MOVED 12 TIMES WITH THE AIR FORCE AND TWICE MORE WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND THREE TIMES OVER THE WERE WHERE THOSE WERE OVERSEAS HAVE A VERY GOOD IDEA OF WHERE A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE IS IN THE SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT.
IS IT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE OR HEARD A MEMBER OF THE PREVIOUS BOARD REMARK THAT EDMOND WAS GETTING TOO SPREAD OUT AND WE NEED TO INCREASE THE CITY DENSITY OR ELSE REALLY ASK WHY PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE WHERE THEY DO? AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE LIVING IN EDMOND LIVE IN A PLEASANT SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT.
THE MOST IMPORTANT FINANCIAL DECISION MOST PEOPLE MAKE IS TO BUY A HOME AND WHERE TO DO SO.
IF THEY DON'T OR CAN'T BUY A HOME, THEY STILL HAVE A CHOICE AS TO WHERE TO LIVE.
THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT THE FREEDOM OF BEING AN AMERICAN IN OKLAHOMAN IS THERE'S FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHERE AND HOW WE LIVE.
SINCE THE LATE 20TH CENTURY, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ANY HAPPY SUCCESS STORIES ABOUT LIVING IN A DENSE INNER CITY.
AGAIN, PEOPLE DIDN'T MOVE TO EDMOND TO LIVE IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
THEY CAN DO THAT IN DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA CITY RIGHT NOW.
BUT THE MODIFIED U R L ALLOWS AS A CARTE BLANCHE PROCESS TO MODIFY, REMOVE AND URBANIZE THE OLDER, MORE AFFORDABLE AREAS OF OUR TOWN.
IT REMOVES THAT CURRENTLY AFFORDABLE HOMES ARE IN PLACES THEM WITH MUCH HIGHER PRICE, LIVE WORK UNITS, TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES THAT THE ASSERTION THAT THE NEWER BUILDINGS WILL BE STILL AFFORDABLE IS DISINGENUOUS AT THE LEAST AT THE DETAIL LEVEL.
WHEN EXAMINING THE LIVE WORK UNITS, I SEE THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ALLOWED PER UNIT IS DOWN TO FIVE.
SO THAT IS A MODEST IMPROVEMENT.
BUT IF YOU ADD IN CUSTOMERS, YOU EASILY GO OVER THE NUMBER OF FIVE PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE TO ONLY TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT THAT WILL DUPLICATE THE PROBLEM WE HAVE NOW IN DOWNTOWN BROADWAY AREA WHERE WE MAY HAVE TO PARK TWO OR THREE BLOCKS AWAY TO GET TO THE ESTABLISHING US TO VISIT.
IT SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT THE REALITY IS THERE WILL BE NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE WORKERS AND CUSTOMERS.
IF YOU MAKE IT HARD FOR CUSTOMERS TO FREQUENTLY ESTABLISHMENT, THEY WILL SIMPLY GO ELSEWHERE.
THE NICE THING ABOUT CAPITALISM IS THAT THE CUSTOMER GETS TO CHOOSE WHERE AND HOW THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY.
IF YOU ESTABLISH A BASIC SCENARIO WHERE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO MAKE A PROFIT, FEW OF ANY BUSINESS, FEW OF ANY WITH BUSINESS SENSE WILL BE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK.
THE ISSUE IS DIFFERENT WHEN YOU ALLOW TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES TO BE BUILT ON A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING LOT.
THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE AND TREES WILL DIMINISH IN THE COST OF LIVING IN EACH UNIT OF THEM WILL BE MORE THAN THE MONTHLY COST OF THE HOME THEY REPLACED.
FINALLY, I WOULD ASK, PERHAPS MS. SAWYER WOULD KNOW ABOUT SECTION THREE OF THE PROPOSED U R O.
THIS IS THE RE PEELER CLAUSE AND THIS SECTION THREE.
IS THIS A STANDARD BORDER PLATE CLAUSE FOR THE CITY OR ARE WE FAILING TO DO RESEARCH ON THE CURRENT ORDINANCES? WILL WE SEE THIS CLAUSE AGAIN IN OTHER CITY ORDINANCES? IF SO, AFTER SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF OTHER ORDINANCES WITH THIS CLAUSE, IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN WHAT CITY ORDINANCES APPLY, ACTUALLY APPLY, WHOLLY APPLY, PARTIALLY APPLY, OR DON'T APPLY AT ALL.
I URGE YOU TO DO THE RESEARCH AND REVIEW AND UPDATE AND ABOLISH ANY ORDINANCES THAT THIS MAY IMPACT.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THERE ARE PLENTY OF ORDINANCES WHICH CURRENTLY EXIST THAT ARE IN NEED OF UPDATING OR CORRECTION OR REPEAL.
DO WE STILL HAVE GUIDANCE ON HOW AND WHERE TO KEEP OUR HORSES WHEN SHOPPING DOWNTOWN? I REALLY DON'T KNOW, BUT IT DOES MAKE ONE THINK.
IN SUMMARY, I URGE YOU TO ADOPT THE SUGGESTIONS OF DR.
BILLY PUTNAM WHO SPOKE JUST BEFORE ME ON THE BOUNDARIES AND THE BOUNDARIES SHE RECOMMENDS.
I URGE YOU ALSO TO STOP THE URBANIZATION OF A MOSTLY SUBURBAN TOWN AND COMMUNITY.
IF THIS IS A BURNING NEED TO DEVELOP THE OLDER PARTS OF TOWN.
ENSURE YOU CANVAS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND GET THEIR INPUT, CONTINUE TO OPERATE OUR CITY LIKE UH, IS A PART OF A REPRESENTED REPUBLIC AND NOT AN AUTOCRATIC BUREAUCRACY.
WE MOVED HERE TO LIVE IN A PLEASANT SUBURB AND NOT IN A NOISY, CROWDED URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
WOULD SOMEONE ELSE, I'M SORRY.
WHAT UH, DID HE GIVE HIS ADDRESS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
YOU LIVE IN COVILLE VILLAGE? 1401 PEMBROKE.
UH, WOULD SOMEONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES MA'AM.
WE HAVE A HOME ON BROADWAY IN SHIRLEY LANE.
UH, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK WHEN THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WAS BECAUSE THE LETTER WE RECEIVED FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD TODAY IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY.
WE'LL HAVE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED FOR YOU AFTER EVERYONE SPEAKS.
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READ A NON DOC ARTICLE AND IT TALKED ABOUT JOSH MOORE AND A PREVIOUS DEVELOPER.IS ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL A DEVELOPER? DOES ANYBODY WORK FOR A BANK THAT CAN LOAN? WILL ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN VOTING ON THIS? CAN ANYBODY FINANCIALLY BENEFIT FROM THIS? OKAY, WELL I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION QUICKLY.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I PERSONALLY OWN TWO PROPERTIES IN THE AREA AND WHENEVER IT COMES UP FOR A VOTE, I POTENTIALLY BELIEVE THAT I WOULD BE CONFLICTED OUT AND I DON'T INTEND TO VOTE ON IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UH, MOORE ALSO MADE A STATEMENT, AND MAYBE I AM INTERPRETING IT INCORRECTLY.
MOORE NOTED THAT THE PROPOSED OVERLAY DISTRICTS IF APPROVED, WOULD NOT REQUIRE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE CHANGES TO THEIR PROPERTIES.
MOOREWOOD IMPLEMENTATION OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS AUTOMATICALLY REZONED THEIR PROPERTY.
IS THAT A QUALIFYING WORD OR REGARDLESS, OUR PROPERTY'S GOING TO BE REZONED WHETHER WE WANT THEM TO BE OR NOT.
AND IS A CITY ATTORNEY WILLING TO PUT THAT IN WRITING FOR MY TWO PROPERTIES THAT THEY WILL NOT BE TOUCHED? OKAY.
I WANNA CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION.
IS, UH, AS A RESULT OF THIS, DOES IT CHANGE THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTIES AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS? WELL, HE SAYS IT WON'T AUTOMATICALLY BE REZONED.
IS IT GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE REZONED? OKAY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS, SO IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON.
AND UM, ALSO IN THE ARTICLE, I I SEE ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND THEN I SEE AFFORDABLE.
IN MY MIND THOSE AREN'T THE SAME TWO THINGS.
WHAT IS GOING TO MAKE THE NEW HOUSING AFFORDABLE? IF YOU LOOK AT INTEREST RATES, IF YOU LOOK AT BUILDING COSTS, IF YOU LOOK AT CONSTRUCTION LOANS, WHO'S GONNA REGULATE THE RENTS TO MAKE SURE IT'S AFFORDABLE? OKAY.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU ALL.
MAYBE I'M JUST SLOW AND DIDN'T READ IT PROPERLY OR WENT TOO FAST THROUGH IT.
CAN I BUILD A HOUSE, HAVE A BUSINESS, A LIVE WORK, AND PUT A ACCESSORY UNIT IN THE BACK? JUST CURIOUS.
I THINK I READ IN THERE WHERE IF YOU DO HAVE A LIVE WORK DEAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SIGN.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE WANNA BE PROMOTING SIGNS, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A REASON I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I WAS A LITTLE INTRIGUED ON THE PRIVACY DEAL ABOUT THE 20 FOOT SETBACK IF YOU'RE UP AGAINST SINGLE FAMILY AND NOT HAVING A, AN ALLEY, ESPECIALLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
BUT IF YOU GOT A SECOND FLOOR AND THE SIDE YARD'S ONLY FIVE FOOT AND IT MENTIONED THAT FROM THREE FOOT FOR PRIVACY, I DON'T, NO WINDOW, NO WINDOWS FACING THAT WAY EITHER.
I MUST, MUST HAVE MISSED THAT FAMILIAR PRIVACY.
UM, WALKABILITY AND BOX, I HEARD A LOT OF THAT, WHICH I THOUGHT THEY WERE PRETTY RELEVANT.
NOW I AM KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHY THE SECTION BETWEEN FRETS AND THE TRACKS NORTH OF HERD AND SOUTH OF THATCHER DIDN'T GET INCLUDED.
I WASN'T AROUND WHEN THIS STARTED.
I I DID GET NOTICE ON THIS AS A PROPERTY OWNER IN HERE.
PRETTY SURE THIS WILL PROBABLY BENEFIT ME.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT TAKE A WHILE, BUT, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT YET.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT THE BEST DETECTIVE IN THE WORLD AND I'M SURE ON TIME INVOLVED AND I'M SURE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE PUT MORE IN, BUT SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT YET.
AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO PICTURE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT.
MY EXPERIENCE LIMITED THAT IT MAY BE IS THAT NOT A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN HERE, AT LEAST ON THE PART WEST OF THE TRACKS GETS PURCHASED.
THAT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CASH.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT SEEMS TO GO.
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AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE MENTIONED THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED REALLY HARD.I WAS ON THE HOUSING COMMITTEE, WE LOOKED AT IT.
UM, THE PUBLIC SEEMS TO THINK IT WAS LARGELY ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF DISCIPLINED WHENEVER I MENTIONED IT WAS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT, UM, MY PERSONAL THOUGHT WAS IS THAT IT WAS LARGELY JUST MONEY SPENT SO WE COULD JUSTIFY MORE APARTMENTS NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY EVEN THOUGH OUR CITIZENS SEEMED TO NOT LIKE THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, SO IF YOU, IF YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF CASH BUSINESSES AND THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM ALREADY BOUGHT, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
IT JUST SEEMS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN THERE ON A LOT OF THESE LIVE WORK DEALS ARE GONNA BE OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE AND YOU'VE GOTTA FIND A TENANT THAT WANTS TO START A BUSINESS.
BUT YOU'RE NOT ONLY IF YOU DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY 'CAUSE YOU COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO BOTH, THAT MAY NOT BE AS LONG-TERM EFFECTIVE.
UH, 'CAUSE AS SOON AS, I MEAN IF IT WAS MY PROPERTY AS SOON AS THE FIRST GUY MOVED OUT AND I COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER LIVE WORK TYPE DEAL, I'VE GOT TWO UNITS.
AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
BUT THEN AGAIN, IT CAN SWITCH BACK.
BUT WHAT WE CERTAINLY HAVE DONE IS WE'RE GONNA BE GIVEN INCENTIVES TO KNOCK DOWN WHAT'S THERE.
AND AGAIN, ALL THIS TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WE DEVELOP THICKER AND MORE DENSE.
SURE TWO OR THREE DECADES FROM NOW, THIS MAY BE MORE AFFORDABLE.
BUT IN THE SHORT RUN, WE'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE SUPPOSEDLY SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY TO NOT DO.
'CAUSE I MEAN IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S AN INCENTIVE TO KNOCK ONE DOWN AND PUT UP TWO OR THREE OR GET MULTI-UNITS.
AND ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE EXACT PROCESS THAT WE WERE SPEAKING OF AS A CITY, BUT YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY SMARTER THAN ME.
SO WE'LL SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT.
BUT AGAIN, IT'LL PROBABLY BENEFIT ME.
BUT THE, THE OVERRIDING DEAL SEEMS TO BE THAT REALLY STICKS IN ME.
'CAUSE I'VE GOT TO KNOW SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS AS I WAS WORKING ON UNITS AND STUFF AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE MOVED IN THERE IN THE LAST FIVE, SEVEN YEARS.
AND TO ME, TO THEM IT'S THE AMERICAN DREAM.
THEY'VE REDONE THEIR HOUSE, THEY MADE IT NICER.
AND NOW, WHEREAS YOU WON'T GET NOTICE IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA KNOCK DOWN THE HOUSE NEXT TO YOU.
NOW CITY STAFF GETS TO HAVE SOME INPUT 'CAUSE THERE'S A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND IF IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR WHATEVER REASONS, I'M SURE SOMEBODY WOULD LET 'EM KNOW.
BUT IF YOU'RE THE NEIGHBOR, I DON'T SEE, WILL YOU EVER FIND OUT UNTIL THE PERMIT'S ALREADY DONE AND SOMEBODY'S COMING IN THERE AND CHANGING THINGS.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS EASIER TO REDEVELOP AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT ARE WE THERE YET? AND ANYWAY, JUST SEEMS A LITTLE ODD.
BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
HAVE HELLO, I'M NICOLE POWERS.
I OWN PROPERTY ON BROADWAY IN ONE OF THESE AREAS.
UM, I HAVE QUESTIONS TOO, AND I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, SO I'M NERVOUS.
I'M HEARING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING THROWN AROUND A LOT.
SO DOES THAT INCLUDE SECTION EIGHT TYPE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE BUILT HERE ALSO? I DO WORK FROM HOME.
SO PART OF THIS IS REALLY APPEALING TO ME BECAUSE IF I COULD HAVE RETAIL SPACE, UM, OR FOOT TRAFFIC TO MY PRIVATE BUSINESS THAT'S CURRENTLY MY HOME AND DOESN'T HAVE CUSTOMERS COMING IN MY HOME, IT'S COMPLETELY ONLINE.
IT'S ALSO APPEALING AS A BUSINESS OWNER FOR ME AND A HOMEOWNER IF SOME OF THE EMPTY PROPERTIES AROUND US DO GET KNOCKED DOWN AND WE GET PRETTIER BETTER, UM, TENANTS IN THOSE PLACES.
BUT I ALSO HEAR A LOT OF FEAR IN SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.
AND SO I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, UM, IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOUSES? 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE A BIG CONCERN.
SO IF YOU OWN PROPERTY AND YOU DON'T WANNA LEAVE AND YOU DON'T WANNA CHANGE YOUR HOME, DOES THIS CHANGE ANYTHING FOR THOSE PEOPLE? UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I HAVE, UH, I DON'T OWN PROPERTY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST
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IN THESE AREAS.ABOUT 60% OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED, SO I WON'T GO THERE.
UH, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, I'VE BEEN A BUILDER DOING REDEVELOPMENT WORK DOWN IN THE HOUSTON AREA IN AN INCORPORATED AREA INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF HOUSTON BACK IN THE, IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE KINDS OF HASSLES AND PROBLEMS THAT COME UP DOING THIS KIND OF THING.
UM, WE DID NOT HAVE AN OVERLAY.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, I MEAN, WE, WE COULD ONLY DO SINGLE FAMILY, BUT IT WAS SMALL.
LOTS ABOUT, ABOUT THE SAME SIZE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THESE AREAS HERE.
UH, I SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME THIS AFTERNOON, UH, ON GOOGLE EARTH.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LITTLE APP THERE WHERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN DRAW POLYGONS AND SEE AREAS AND, AND SEE THE SIZE OF LOTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I SAW LOTS 35 TO 1 35 BY 1 35, 35 BY 1 50, 50 BY 1 50, 75 BY ONE 50.
BUT THAT WAS ONLY IN THE, IN THE AREA FURTHEST TO THE WEST.
UH, MOST OF THEM WERE THE SMALLER LOTS.
I I, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO SHOW ME HOW YOU MAGICALLY GET A FOURPLEX ON A LOT THIS SIZE.
UH, IT, IT WAS HARD ENOUGH FOR ME TO BUILD ON A 50 BY A HUNDRED TO 50 BY 1 25 AND STILL LEAVE ENOUGH OPEN AREA TO, YOU KNOW, FOR DRAINAGE ISSUES AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
I SEE JUST FROM KIND OF, KIND OF FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE AS A BUILDER, UH, AND, AND HAVING HAD TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS IN THE, IN THE PLANNING AND SO FORTH, UH, I SEE SOME PROBLEM AREAS HERE.
LOSS OF LIGHT IN THERE IS ONE, IS ONE THAT WE RAN INTO IN THE AREA WHERE I WAS BUILDING, WHERE YOU BUILD A THREE STORY STRUCTURE NEXT TO A BUNGALOW WHERE YOU'RE CUTTING OFF LIGHT AND AIR TO THE GUY WHO'S DOWN LOWER.
I I FOUND A, UM, A SITUATION OVER BY CHITWOOD, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN JUST A MINUTE THAT ILLUSTRATES WHAT, WHAT I SEE THERE.
UH, LOSS OF TREES I THINK IS A BIG ONE.
I'M A, I'M A TREE FREAK, SORRY.
BUT I AM, AND I THINK THE IDEA OF KNOCKING DOWN ANY MATURE TREE IS BAD IDEA.
PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE FROM THE SCHOOL THAT BELIEVES THERE'S TOO MUCH C O TWO IN THE ATMOSPHERE.
UH, WE SHOULDN'T BE KNOCKING DOWN TREES.
AND IN FACT, IN THE AREA WHERE I DID THIS KIND OF WORK, WE WERE REQUIRED TO FENCE TO THE DRIP LINE OF ANY, UH, RELATIVELY MATURE TREE AND NOBODY WAS ALLOWED TO GET INSIDE THE FENCE.
AND WE, WE HAD AN URBAN FORESTER, SAME AS WE DO HERE, WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THAT THE TREES WERE PROTECTED AND HE, HE HAD THE ABILITY TO RE UH, RED FLAG YOUR, YOUR PROJECT AND SHUT YOU DOWN IF YOU GOT OUTTA COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
UH, UH, SO I, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POTENTIAL ADDITION THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE IF, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD.
UH, I SEE A POTENTIAL, UH, PARTICULARLY ON, ON THIS CHIP WOOD, UH, OR THE PROJECT NEAR CHIP WOOD OF INGRESS AND EGRESS BECAUSE THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S THREE, THREE UNITS.
THEY, THEY LOOK KIND OF LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ATTACHED.
THEY HAVE ABOUT MAYBE FIVE OR SIX FEET BETWEEN THEM, BUT THERE'S THREE KIND OF DETACHED TOWNHOUSE TYPE UNITS.
TALL, TWO AND A HALF STORY, WHATEVER, GARAGE IN THE BACK AND YEAH.
IT WAS VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO TO TO THAT.
UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROJECT THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, AND I JUST WONDER IF YOU'VE HAD ANY FEEDBACK FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE OUT OF THESE STRUCTURES IF THEY'RE ON FIRE.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE FIVE, SIX FEET NEXT TO EACH OTHER, YOU GOT ONE HOUSE ON FIRE AND YOU'RE GONNA LOSE ALL THREE OF THEM.
OR MAYBE IF YOU DO THIS THROUGH A WHOLE STREET, MAYBE YOU LOSE A WHOLE STREET, UH, BEFORE IT CAN BE DEALT WITH PROPERLY BY, BY, UH, FIREFIGHTERS.
AND THIS WAS AN ISSUE WHERE, UH, I DID THIS KIND OF WORK, UH, AND WE, WE CONSTANTLY HAD TO RETOOL PLANS AND STUFF OVER ISSUES OF INGRESS, EGRESS AND, AND FIRE SAFETY AND SUCH.
UH, THERE, THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH I, THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.
UH, I THINK IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING MATERIALS AND LABOR ARE GONNA COST YOU ABOUT THE SAME.
UM, SO IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF THE MASSIVE INCREASE IN, IN A TAX BASE.
IF I'M TAKING A PROPERTY WITH ONE OLDER, SMALLER HOUSE ON IT AND I'M BUILDING THREE, $500,000 UNITS ON IT, UH, WE, WE GOT A MASSIVE TAX INCREASE AND THAT'S GONNA SPILL OVER TO ANYBODY WHO STILL NEEDS TO KEEP THEIR, THEIR OTHERWISE AFFORDABLE, SMALLER, OLDER HOME.
UH, SO I THINK, UH, AFFORDABILITY IS AN ISSUE HERE.
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UM, GETTING TO ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES I SEE ON THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? IT, IT WAS IS JUST NORTH OF CHITWOOD.AND, UH, I DID A, A, A LITTLE COMP, A LITTLE QUICK AND DIRTY COMPUTATION ON OPEN AREA.
AND, UH, WE HAD TO DO THIS WHERE I DID THIS KIND OF WORK BECAUSE WE WERE REQUIRED TO LEAVE A, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE GROUND OPEN SO THAT RAIN CAN FALL ON IT AND SOAK IN INTO THE GROUND.
AND YOU DON'T OVER, YOU DON'T WIND UP OVERWHELMING YOUR YOUR STORM SEWER SYSTEM.
AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON ON KELLY AS FAR AS STORM SEWERS.
UH, I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE CLOSEUP PICTURES, SATELLITE PICTURES, AND I COULDN'T SEE ANY OPENINGS IN THE CURBS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE WATER DROPPING DOWN TO A STORM SEWER SYSTEM OVER THERE.
BUT IN, IN THE, IN THE CASE WHERE THOSE THREE UNITS WERE BUILT ON ONE LOT, UH, I LOOKED AT A HOUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT THAT HAD 9,000 SQUARE FEET OPEN.
AND WITH, WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE WAS 3,600 SQUARE FEET OPEN, THERE WAS 60% LOSS OF OPEN AREA, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE MOVING A LOT MORE WATER OFF OF THAT LOT, UM, INTO THE, INTO THE STREET.
I GUESS IF THE STREETS OR THE DRAINAGE OR EVEN IF YOU'VE GOT UNDERGROUND STORM SEWER SYSTEM, YOU HAVE A CHANCE OF OVERWHELMING IT AND THEN CAUSING, UH, LOCALIZED FLOODING.
I MEAN, A LOT MORE OF THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FOR, FOR THAT TO BE A PROBLEM.
BUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT THAT LEADS ME TO IS WE DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED LESS CODE ENFORCEMENT IN HERE.
YOU NEED A LOT MORE, I THINK, I THINK YOU NEED, UH, SITE PLANS.
UH, I THINK THERE WE HAD TO, UH, WHEN I WAS DOING THIS KIND OF WORK, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW.
WE HAD TO SUBMIT A DRAINAGE PLAN.
ONE OF THE ISSUES WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE A, A, UH, LET, LET'S SAY A TWO AND A HALF, THREE STORY BUILDING AND YOU'RE DUMPING WATER OFF A ROOF, UH, WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DUMP WATER ONTO OUR NEIGHBOR.
AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU'RE GRADING AWAY FROM YOUR FOUNDATION TO, TO PRESERVE YOUR FOUNDATION IN THE LONG HAUL.
AND AUTOMATICALLY THAT MEANS WE WERE DUMPING ONTO OUR NEIGHBOR.
AND SO WE HAD TO START USING SWES AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT LITTLE, LITTLE, UH, LANDSCAPING TRICKS TO, TO KEEP FROM DOING THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO SPEND, UH, A LOT MORE TIME WORKING ON TREE PRESERVATION I THINK IS A HUGE ONE.
UH, AND I, I THINK THAT THAT PROBABLY THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A DRAINAGE ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WITH A LOT OF SKILL IN THIS DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE IF ONCE X NUMBER, X AMOUNT OF THIS, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT GOES ON, AT WHAT POINT WILL YOU OVERRUN, OVERWHELM, UH, YOUR DRAINAGE, YOUR, UH, LARGER DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN THE AREA.
AND THEN ALSO TO, TO REALLY THINK THROUGH EMERGENCY INGRESS AND EGRESS.
'CAUSE I'D, I'D SURE HATE TO HAVE A KID TRAPPED ON A, ON A SECOND OR THIRD FLOOR AND CAN'T GET A LADDER IN, UH, CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE STRUCTURE TO GET 'EM OUT.
THANK YOU MR. STEVENS? YES, SIR.
YEAH, THE, MY NAME IS LES LITTLE.
I LIVE IN THE CHITWOOD PARK AREA.
AND, UH, FURTHER DOWN THE LINE YOU GO ON QUESTIONS, THE LESS THE GUY GETS TO SAY ALL OF MY QUES MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN A, HAVE BEEN ASKED.
WELL, I TELL YOU, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US THE COURTESY OF NOT REPEATING THE SAME THINGS.
I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GOING TO.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS.
UM, THE ONE THING I HAVEN'T HEARD IS HOW THESE THREE AREAS WERE SELECTED.
WHAT WAS THE CRITERIA, UM, IN THAT SELECTION PROCESS? WAS IT CRIME RATES? WAS IT AGE OF THE HOMES? WAS IT LOWER INCOME, UH, LEVELS? WHAT I, YOU I'VE NOTICED THAT IT'S KIND OF SCATTERED OUT AND THERE'S SOME HOMES THAT ARE BASICALLY THE SAME AGES THAT, THAT WERE NOT, THE AREA WAS NOT SELECTED.
SO WHAT WAS THE CRITERIA USED TO SELECT THESE THREE PARTICULAR AREAS? I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THOSE WERE.
UM, ANOTHER ISSUE I WANTED TO ASK AND, AND MAYBE THEY COVERED IT, BUT THE SOUND SYSTEM WAS KEEPING ME FROM UNDERSTANDING A LOT OF WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.
THE, THE PARKING, UM, ON THE, UH, LIVE WORK HOUSING.
WAS THERE GOING TO BE PARKING REQUIRED FOR CUSTOMERS? MAYBE THAT WAS COVERED.
I DIDN'T HEAR THAT, BUT THAT IS A QUESTION THAT I HAVE
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AND THE GENTLEMAN JUST SPOKE BEFORE ME.IF HE WANTS TO SEE HOW THEY CAN PUT FOUR LIVING UNITS ON A LOT OF 50 BY 100 LOT COME OVER TO CHITWOOD PARK.
THERE'S ONE RIGHT BEHIND ME, I'LL SHOW YOU HOW IT'S DONE.
THIS IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAS, WHAT THESE HOUSES ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF CHICAGO ROW HOUSES.
TELL ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THIS ONE IS THE ADDRESS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE REALLY SORRY AT ABOUT 10 YEARS WHEN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY CHITWOOD PARK WITH THE, UH, MAIN HOUSING DEVELOPMENT GOING ON.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE PLACE, THE BUILDING, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN ABOUT 10 YEARS.
THE CHICAGO LOOKALIKE RIGHT HERE.
STEVE CURRY, 6 0 0 4 CHESTNUT COURT IN EDMOND.
UM, I'M JUST, MY, MY QUESTION'S VERY NARROW FOCUSED.
IT, IT, IT JUST ADDS TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT PREVIOUSLY SPOKE.
MY CONCERN, I MEAN, I SHARE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED BY OTHERS HERE BEFORE ME.
BUT IN LOOKING AT, UH, AT, THERE'S SUCH LIMITED INFORMATION IN THERE ABOUT PARKING AND I WAS JUST CRUNCHING NUMBERS IN MY HEAD, BUT I'M LIKE, IF YOU HAVE A TRIPLEX AND YOU'VE GOT TWO ADULTS LIVING IN EACH ONE, AND IT MAY BE EVEN A TEENAGER OR ADULT CHILD AND YOU'VE GOT TWO CARS FOR EACH ONE, YOU'VE GOT SIX CARS RIGHT THERE OR EIGHT CARS IN A, IN A, IN A QUADPLEX DO WE HAVE PARKING FOR EIGHT CARS THERE? I MEAN IT SEEMS TO ME, AND THEN WITH THE WORK SITE WHERE YOU'VE GOT INDIVIDUALS LIVING AND THEN WORKING, YOU'VE GOT TWO EMPLOYEES COME IN WITH TWO CARS.
YOU GOT SOMEBODY TO COME INTO THE BUSINESS, YOU GOT ANOTHER TWO CARS SITTING THERE, YOU GOT FOUR OR FIVE CARS, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA, UH, SOMEHOW IN MY MIND I'M ENVISIONING CARS LINED UP AND DOWN THESE STREETS ON BOTH SIDES.
YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A LOT OF CARS ON THE STREETS AND NARROW TRAFFIC LANES GETTING THROUGH THERE.
UM, SEEMS TO ME NOT ENOUGH ATTENTION'S BEEN PAID TO WHERE EVERYBODY'S GONNA PARK IN THESE WONDERFUL PLACES THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE PLANNING TO BUILD.
SO THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU AND UH, HOPEFULLY THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN GIVEN TO THAT AND SOME THAT'LL BE ADDRESSED AT A FUTURE TIME.
THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK STANDING.
FARLEY AND I ARE BACK, RIGHT?
FIRST, UM, FARLEY MIGHT BE JUST A LITTLE EXCITED AND, UM, MAY I FIRST SAY THAT I LOVE MY CITY.
MAY I SAY THAT I LOVE MY COMMUNITY? AND MAY I SAY THAT I LOVE WORKING IN MY COMMUNITY AND GETTING TO HELP PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M GOING ON MY 53RD YEAR IN THIS, IN THIS CITY AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.
AND IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF, I'M SORRY.
UM, I DO LOVE AND, AND I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
MY ADDRESS IS AT 3 0 9 WEST MAIN STREET AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE CHITWOOD AREA THAT'S IN YOUR OVERLAYS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, MY QUESTION, AND I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK IF YOU COULD HAVE A CONSIDERATION AND FOR ACCESSIBLE PASSAGE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHENEVER UM, WE SEE THE PUDS COME THROUGH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT PASSAGE, EVERYTHING'S LEFT TO THE STREET.
UM, YEAH, I DO HAVE A LITTLE HITCH IN MY GETUP AND I'M WORKING HARD TO GET PAST IT, BUT, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEVERAL OTHERS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO MAY I ASK ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, UM, FOR, FOR ACCESSIBLE PASSAGE AND WAY FINDING FOR THESE OVERLAYS AND FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING.
'CAUSE THAT'S, UM, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO MANY OF US.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TO LISTEN TO ME TONIGHT.
PLEASURE SEEING YOU ALL AGAIN.
WOULD SOMEONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YES MA'AM.
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WADDLE.YOUR NAME WAS AGAIN? CHARLOTTE.
I DIDN'T CATCH WHO BECCA IS WORKING FOR OR CITY OF EDMOND.
OKAY, I DIDN'T CATCH ALL OF THAT.
NEXT THING I HEAR, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AFFORDABLE FOR WHOM? IF YOU KNOCK DOWN THE HOUSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE, ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD A MORE EXPENSIVE HOME? SO I KNOW THAT TERM IS DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
AND WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? WAS IT YOU SIR? OKAY.
UH, MY NAME IS TINA, T E E N A, COLE, C O L E.
AND I LIVE ON SHIRLEY LANE AND I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1963.
WE HAVE TO DO, UM, WATERING EVERY PLUS DAY OR MINUS DAY.
I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT THIS, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME.
UM, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WANNA BRING MORE PEOPLE IN.
WE'RE ALREADY GETTING WATER FROM OTHER PLACES, BUT YET YOU WANNA TAKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, PUT IN QUADPLEXES OR WHATEVER, AND THEN IT'LL JUST MAKE US SHORTER ON WATER.
SECOND DRAINAGE ISSUE IS A BIG THING, ESPECIALLY ON SHIRLEY LANE.
WE HAVE ONE DRAINAGE DITCH AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT THAT LIVE ON EACH SIDE OF IT, SO IT DRAINS TO THE TRAIN TRACKS.
SO IF THAT FILLS UP, WHERE'S THE REST OF THE WATER GONNA GO? ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE CONCRETE FOR ALL THESE BUSINESSES.
SECOND, WE DON'T HAVE PARKING AS IT IS.
WE GET LETTERS FROM THE CITY COMPLAINING ABOUT US PARKING ACROSS THE SIDEWALKS.
SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT? I WOULD LIKE THAT ALL ANSWERED BEFORE YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH ALL THIS.
ALSO, UM, YOU PLANT BUSHES WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THROUGH TRAFFIC NOW, SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO AS YOU ADD MORE BUILDINGS? I MEAN, I TRY TO MAKE A TURN AND THERE'S A BUSH THERE.
I CAN'T SEE IF THERE'S A CAR COMING.
DO YOU GUYS CARE? NO, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T BECAUSE YOU KEEP PLANTING THEM THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA KEEP BUILDING ON ALL THESE PLACES AND YOU'RE GONNA JUST KEEP POUNDING IN MORE PLANTS AND STUFF, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT WHEN YOU START ADDING MORE CONCRETE AND YOU DON'T EVER, YOU ALREADY DON'T TAKE CARE OF OUR ROAD, SO YOU'RE GONNA ADD MORE TRAFFIC TO IT.
WE ALREADY HAVE TRAFFIC THAT DOESN'T BELONG ON THERE AS IT IS.
ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT AFTER YOU CHANGE ALL THESE RULES? PROBABLY NOT.
THERE'S A LOT I'VE GOT TO SAY, BUT I'M SURE YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
BUT ANYWAY, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHER ME AND I'D LIKE TO ANSWERS TO ALL OF THEM.
I LIVE IN CHIMNEY HILL AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, I'M WONDERING IF, UM, OCCUPANTS AND RENTERS WERE INFORMED OR JUST THE HOMEOWNERS WHEN THEY RECEIVED MAILINGS.
AND AS FAR AS SURVEYS, IF THIS WAS A SEPARATE SURVEY, UM, THEN MAYBE A U L I, UH, STUDY SURVEY OR DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY SURVEY.
AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE HOUSES, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THEM, THEY'RE AFFORDABLE FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
AND I THINK WE WANT TO BE, WE WANT TO BE AS INDEPENDENT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BE.
AND WHEN WE START PUTTING IN MORE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER THAN IT TAKES AWAY THE LIGHT.
AND PEOPLE WHO TRY TO HAVE GARDENS AND BE INDEPENDENT MAY NOT HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'M THINKING ABOUT.
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ALSO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT REMOVING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.UM, I COULDN'T HEAR VERY WELL.
IT SOUNDED LIKE IT, IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY OVERSIGHT ON LANDSCAPING.
UM, BUT I WONDER IF THERE ARE ANY STUDIES ON THE PSYCHOLOGY OF, I'M SURE THERE ARE STUDIES ON THIS, ON THE PSYCHOLOGY OF DENSITY, HIGHER DENSITY HOMES RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ANXIETY IN THIS COUNTRY.
I THINK EVERYBODY CAN FEEL IT.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ANXIETY ON THE ROAD HERE IN EDMOND.
I HAVE PEOPLE SAYING THAT TO ME EVERY DAY.
SO HIGHER DENSITY, I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD REALLY THINK TWICE ABOUT THESE PROJECTS.
AND MAYBE WE COULD BE A LIGHT BEING A, A CITY THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA WAIT ON THIS.
WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH ALL THESE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING.
THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING THEM IN AND PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING BACK.
PEOPLE DON'T REALLY WANT HIGH DENSITY IN SUBURBS.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YES, MA'AM.
UH, I LIVE IN BROOKDALE AVENUE, BUT WE OWN THE HOUSE AT 4 32 NORTH BALLMAN, WHICH IS JUST EAST OF THE COLLEGE.
I JUST WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, WHICH SURELY YOU'VE GOT IT ALREADY.
EVERY PROPERTY EAST OF THE COLLEGE, I THINK EVEN GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HORTENS, WHICH WAS LISTED, HAS A SIGN ON THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT PARK BETWEEN EIGHT AND FOUR O'CLOCK IF YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY THAT AREA WAS INCLUDED.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE, THE, THE STREETS ARE NARROW.
SO, UH, AT SOME POINT LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, UH, THE CITY PUT SIGNS EVERYWHERE SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T PARK BETWEEN EIGHT AND FOUR O'CLOCK.
AND WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YES SIR.
I CAN'T GET THE ALLEYS MAINTAINED NOW.
MY WIFE WON'T WALK, DRIVE THROUGH THE, BECAUSE IT'S MUD.
WE'VE GOT A LAKE BACKING UP BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES.
I HAD THE CITY IN THERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
THEY DROVE THE TRACTOR THROUGH THERE TWICE, KNOCKED DOWN SOME HIGH SPOTS.
THERE WAS SEWER LINES PUT IN THERE 10 YEARS AGO.
THEY NEVER DID COME BACK AND FILL THE DITCHES AND FIX THEM, RIGHT? CAN'T GET NO RESPONSE.
UH, I OWN AN APARTMENT HOUSE AT 11 EAST WING.
I HAD ADEQUATE PARKING, BUT MY RENTS CAN'T GO THROUGH THE ALLEY BECAUSE OF THE MUD HOLES AND IT'S FOR SALE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT CHICAGO.
I LIVED IN CHICAGO FOR A YEAR.
I KNOW WHAT HE MEANS BY CHICAGO.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.
HI, MY NAME IS CATHERINE RUSSELL AND WE LIVE AT 6 1 7 NORTH BROADWAY.
WE'VE LIVED AT THAT RESIDENCE ON BROADWAY FOR 28 YEARS AND RAISED OUR CHILDREN THERE.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT KNOWN THAT WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY, UM, POSTCARDS.
WE DID NOT HAVE ANYONE KNOCK ON OUR DOOR THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THIS, WHEN WE WERE MOVING OUR DAUGHTER, WHEN WE WERE AWAY FOR THE HOLIDAY, WHICH WAS ABOUT 19 DAYS AGO.
SO THIS HAS COME AS A GREAT SURPRISE TO US.
I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID HERE ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, UM, MULTIPLE TIMES ON BROADWAY NEAR SHIRLEY, THE STREET FLOODS.
AND EVEN THIS YEAR, I HAVE PERSONALLY CALLED 9 1 1 IN THE MIDDLE OF A NIGHT, THE NIGHT BECAUSE A CAR CAR HAS BEEN STALLED THERE AND THEY NEEDED TO BE RESCUED.
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WANNA BRING THAT TO PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.AND THEN ALSO ON PAGE FOUR, I DON'T UNDERSTAND SIDE YARD SETBACKS MAY BE REDUCED TO ZERO FEET FOR MULTIPLE ATTACHED LIVED WORK UNITS.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING MULTIPLE ATTACHED LIVE WORK UNITS.
AND WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK THAT HAS NOT SPOKEN? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, UM, I OWN FIVE WEST COL CORD, UH, RIGHT ON BROADWAY BEFORE YOU GET DOWN TO THE GRAVEYARD.
AND, UH, I JUST, I'M CURIOUS IN ANY OF THIS PLANNING, DOES BROADWAY EVER LOOKED TO BE WIDENED OR ANYTHING WHERE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE AN IMMINENT DOMAIN ISSUE AND MY PROPERTY WOULD ALL OF A SUDDEN BE, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE THE ROAD NEXT YEAR? SO I'M, I DON'T KNOW, FROM THE LITTLE DOWNTOWN TO WHERE THE GRAVEYARD'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
SO I'M INTERESTED IN THAT LITTLE BIT OF LAND AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE OWNED IT MY WHOLE LIFE ALMOST, IT SEEMS LIKE.
AND THE DEVELOPMENT'S NEVER COME MY WAY.
NOTHING'S EVER HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PROPERTY VALUES AND EVERYTHING GETTING GOOD.
AND SO I'VE REMODELED IT, I'VE GOT IT READY TO RENT FOR THE NEXT A HUNDRED YEARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T REALLY WANT A, A THREE STORY NEXT TO ME AND, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THAT.
SO I'M NOT REALLY A FAN OF ANY OF THIS, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE WIDENING OF THE STREET.
'CAUSE THAT'LL HELP ME DECIDE WHETHER TO HOLD ONTO THE PROPERTY OR, OR TO LET IT GO.
AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS NOT SPOKEN THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YES, SIR.
MY NAME IS CHARLES PFEIFFER AND I HAVE LIVED IN EDMONDS SINCE 1958.
UH, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS AND A LOT OF THINGS CHANGE, HOUSING ADDITIONS AND, AND MANY, MANY THINGS.
THE AREA WHICH THEY'RE TAKING INTO EFFECT, UH, MANY OF THOSE HOMES ARE FROM THE FORTIES AND BEFORE.
AND, UH, IF YOU GO DOWN THROUGH, EVEN ON, IF YOU GO DOWN BROADWAY AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOUSES FOR RENT THAT WERE BUILT BACK IN THE FORTIES AND ALL GOING FOR A THOUSAND PLUS UP TO $2,000 TO RENT ONE OF THEM.
SO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PUTTING IN THESE 350, $400,000, UH, CONDOS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL 'EM, ISN'T REALLY GONNA HELP.
NOW MY FAMILY HAS OWNED PROPERTY IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I WAS RAISED BY MY AUNT AND UNCLE WHO CAME HERE, UH, IN 1958.
UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH PARKING, LIGHTING, DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC, UH, CLOSENESS TO THE UNITS, THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS, THAT'S A BIG ONE.
I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT TILL TONIGHT.
AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS WORK AT HOME AND I OWN HOME.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I GAVE MY ADDRESS, IT'S 3 0 8 HARDY DRIVE IN EDMOND.
IT'S, UH, WHICH IS OUT OF THIS AREA.
BUT MY FAMILY OWNS PROPERTY THERE.
MY SON JUST CAME IN FROM, UH, OVERSEAS.
AND, UH, SO HE ASKED ME TO TALK ON HIS BEHALF.
AND, UM, HE HAS A HOME OVER ON BLANCHE THAT IS HIS SECOND HOME.
AND THEN MY GRANDSON LIVES THERE NOW.
UM, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, UH, A WORK AT HOME.
I HAVE ANOTHER HOME ALSO IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
AND THERE WAS A, A, UH, ACCOUNTANT LIVED THERE.
WELL, FROM EIGHT IN THE MORNING TILL 10 AT NIGHT, WE HAD EXTRA PEOPLE PARKING THERE TO COME IN AND SEE THE ACCOUNTANT AND DO THE ACCOUNTING.
UH, THIS WAS A SEVEN DAY A WEEK, UH, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
UH, THESE KIND OF PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, PARKING, CLIENT TRAFFIC, ALL OF THESE FOR WORK AT HOME.
WORK AT HOME TO ME MEANS SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU WORK AT HOME AND YOU WORK FOR SOMEONE ELSE, OR YOU WORK FOR YOURSELF, BUT YOU'RE NOT HAVING PEOPLE COME TO YOUR HOME, UH, IS, UH, CLIENTS AND YOU'RE NOT HAVING EMPLOYEES.
IF YOU HAVE THREE EMPLOYEES, I THINK THAT WAS A NUMBER THAT WAS THROWN OUT.
THREE EMPLOYEES, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK? WHERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE GONNA PARK? HOW ARE YOU GONNA HANDLE THAT? NOW, IF I HAD A BUNCH OF NOTES AND I JUST KIND OF THREW UP MY HANDS DURING ALL OF THIS, BUT, UH, WHO'S THIS GOING TO AFFECT THE HOMEOWNERS? OF COURSE, ADMIRAL ALARM TAXES ARE GONNA GO UP FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A HIGH DOLLAR UNIT THERE.
AND SO MY TAXES OR MY SON'S TAXES OR, UH, FRIEND'S TAXES
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ARE GONNA GO UP, UH, JUST BECAUSE THE COUNTY'S GONNA RAISE 'EM.AND THEN, UH, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO BE GONE BEING, UH, DONE, EXCUSE ME, UH, IS, IS VERY INAPPROPRIATE.
IF I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S MY FENCING? WHERE'S MY LIGHTING? WHAT'S THE PARKING? ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO EFFECT.
WHO'S THIS GOING TO BENEFIT THE DEVELOPER? SO IF YOU HAVE FIVE OR 10 DEVELOPERS THAT COME IN AND THEY BUY THE PROPERTY OR THEY OUTTA STATE, LIKE WE HAVE ALREADY KNOWN THAT THESE OUT-OF-STATE, UH, COMPANIES ARE, ARE BUYING PROPERTY HERE IN EDMOND AND DOING THAT, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE? THE DEVELOPERS AREN'T GONNA BE THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD.
THEN WE'RE STUCK WITH THE PROBLEMS. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S SHODDY WORK, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S, UH, GOOD WORK AND THEN ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT COME WITH IT.
I'VE HAD RELATIVES THAT LIVE THERE.
AND LOOK AT IT NOW, THOSE HOUSES ARE JUST GOING TO POT, AND THEY WERE BUILT JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.
SO ANYWAY, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME DEVELOPERS THAT WERE ON THE COUNCIL BEFORE, AND THEIR ATTITUDE IS, OH, UH, WE DON'T NEED A SITE CONTROL.
WE'LL JUST GO IN AND DO WHAT WE WANT.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT EDMOND'S COMING TO, THEN WE REALLY NEED TO REVIEW IT.
UH, IT'S, THE CITY'S NOT WORKING FOR THE HOMEOWNER OR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
THEY'RE WORKING FOR THE DEVELOPERS, IN MY OPINION.
AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN REGARD TO THIS PROJECT THAT HAS NOT SPOKEN BEFORE? WE, I'M SORRY, MA'AM.
WE HAVE A GENERAL RULE THAT, AND EVERYBODY GETS ONE BITE OF THE APPLE.
I JUST WAS GONNA SAY, I HOPE THAT YOU'LL REALLY CONSIDER THIS AND GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
OH, MA'AM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND THEN AFTER YOU, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE QUESTIONING AND GIVE BECCA AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE WILL HELP ENLIGHTEN PEOPLE.
MY NAME IS JANET LAPAN AND I LIVE ON SHIRLEY LANE.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THERE IS A, UM, WELL, IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF THINGS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF THATCHER AND BROADWAY, UH, LITTLE BUSINESS, UH, RIGHT NOW, NOW I THINK IT'S AN EVENT CENTER OF, OF SOME KIND.
AND THEY DO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME PARKING ON THEIR LOT, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS OVERFLOW, EV EVEN, EVEN, UM, WITH THE PARKING THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
UM, SO THAT THEY'RE PARKED ALL THE WAY DOWN THATCHER AND, AND ALL THE SIDE STREETS THEY'RE AROUND.
SO I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT PARKING IS REALLY GONNA BE A MAJOR ISSUE.
UM, IF, IF YOU ADD ANYTHING
WELL, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE QUESTIONING, BUT WE, SORRY, MY HEARING ACT'S NOT WORKING REAL WELL, MARK.
OUR SOUND SYSTEM HAS BEEN SORT OF CRAPPY TONIGHT AS WELL.
PARDON? I RECOGNIZE THAT USED APPROPRIATE WORDS THERE, BUT MY NAME'S DAN O'NEILL AND MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 1 STONY TRAIL.
UM, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THESE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS AND DRIVING THROUGH AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT THERE'S BEEN IMPROVEMENTS IN.
AND IT HASN'T BEEN JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN, UH, WE'VE BEEN REALLY IMPROVING SOME OF THESE AREAS AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES MADE AND, UH, INVESTMENTS MADE, BUT MOST OF IT'S BEEN IN KIND.
UH, PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE, PRETTY MUCH, UH, A VERY REASONABLE TYPE HOUSING.
UH, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, UH, DONE SOME VERY, UH, OUTSTANDING WORK, UH, SOME GREAT IDEAS.
THERE'S A PLACE CALLED, UM, MAIN STREET EDMOND.COM, UH, AND THEY PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE AND THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THERE ARE, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES DOING MOST OF THE DEVELOPING AND SOME OF THE HOUSES THEY'RE BUILDING ARE OVER A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
UH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A CONTINUATION OF THE LARK BECAUSE THE LARK ALMOST GETS TO FRETS ON THE EAST SIDE AND IT CONTINUES WEST.
AND, UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF OTHER HOUSES WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH, UM, WITH THE STYLE OF HOUSE.
I'LL CALL IT THE CHAPMAN LOOK,
BUT, BUT ANYWAY, UH, WE DON'T, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIVERSE HOUSING AND ZONING IN THIS AREA, AND NOBODY'S BOTHERED TO LOOK AT THE ZONING ON
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THIS.AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A ZONING MAP FOR ALL THREE OF THESE AREAS BECAUSE THERE ARE, UH, SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE AN IN-DEPTH ISSUE OF HOW MANY HOUSES ARE REALLY RUN DOWN THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR BY THIRD.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUT OF THIS PROJECT.
IT, THERE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN EDMOND.
HE TOOK OLD HOUSES LIKE THE HOUSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND STACKED THEM TOGETHER IN 15 VERY SMALL LOTS, BUT VERY, VERY WELL ORGANIZED AND HAS PROVIDED HOUSING FOR NEEDY FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
JOSH MOORE WAS INVOLVED IN THE HERITAGE, UH, GROUP OF MR. TURNER'S PROJECT FOR, UH, UH, THAT HE'S ADDED TO THIS AREA.
IT'S, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE SECTION THAT WE HAVE THERE ON THE WEST SIDE BETWEEN FRETS AND, AND KELLY.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THERE.
THEY STARTED BUILDING THEM IN 2006 OR OH SEVEN AND THEY'RE ALL OWNER OCCUPIED AND THEY'RE ALL HANDPICKED.
AND THERE'S BEEN PEOPLE MOVED ON FROM THOSE HOUSES AND SOLD THEM TO OTHER NEEDY PEOPLE.
AND THERE'S SOME CONTROLS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THEY HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, BUT APPARENTLY WE'RE IGNORING THE FACT THAT HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATIONS, UM, APPLY IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S A LITTLE STUPID RULE LIKE THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, MAYBE I'M MIS MISSPOKEN ON THAT, RANDY, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THAT, UH, ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS, UH, ADVERTISES THAT HIS HOUSES DON'T BELONG TO AN H O A.
SO ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME ANTI, UH, H O A FEELINGS BEING DEMONSTRATED HERE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THIS MORE COMPREHENSIVELY.
UH, WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
WE'VE NEVER TRANSITIONED A PART OF A SUBURBAN AREA INTO AN URBAN AREA.
ESSENTIALLY THIS IS BEING TRANSFERRED FROM THE JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE URBAN BOARD DOWNTOWN.
UH, THE OTHER THING I THINK IS, IS, UH, THAT WE COULD DO IN THIS THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS, UH, TO TAKE SOME CARE AT PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, WE'VE NEVER REDONE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
IT'S ALREADY PLATTED, IT'S GOT MOBILE HOMES IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ZONING IS FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOT.
THERE'S ONE LOT THAT HAS EIGHT MOBILE HOMES ON IT.
THERE'S HOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE DUPLEXES TO ME WHEN I DRIVE BY.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY DUPLEX ZONING IN THERE.
I THINK EVERYTHING WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, BUT WHO KNOWS? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THE ZONING.
AND SECOND, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT DONE IN PHASES.
YOU KNOW, THIS HOUSING, THESE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS GO THROUGH PHASE 1, 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA REDEVELOP IT, LET'S HAVE SOME PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO AREAS AND CONCENTRATE WHERE IT'S MOST LIKELY TO HAPPEN AND GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY PROMOTING THIS PROJECT.
I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THEY HAD PROPOSED TO DO AND SOME OF THE THINGS AROUND THERE.
I JUST WISH THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ASPECT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT IN TIME? IF NOT, BECCA, IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD.
AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT, UH, WAS RAISED, UH, WAS SPECIFICALLY I GUESS AN ISSUE THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT ON THE LIVE WORK.
AND IT WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE ORDINANCE AND THE WAY THINGS ARE THAT THE LIVE WORK UNIT MUST BE OCCUPIED BY THE PERSON WHO IS OPERATING THE BUSINESS.
AND NEITHER PARTY CAN BASICALLY GO AHEAD AND THOSE UNITS CANNOT BE SPLIT OR SOLD SEPARATELY.
WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD ADDRESS ONE OF RONNIE'S CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS.
OR DID I MISUNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION? MY POINT WAS THAT A TENANT CAN DO BOTH.
I THINK SHE HAS TO BE AN OWNER OF THE PRO.
YOU HAVE TO LIVE THERE AND
I THINK YOU HAVE TO, I THINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, BUT WHAT I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, YOU HAVE TO OWN THE BUSINESS THAT'S OCCUPY AND OWN THE BUILDING.
IT'S AN OWNER, ITS OWNER SITUATION.
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DOESN'T MEAN YOU OWN THE LAND.LOOKING A LAND LEASE, I MEAN RENT.
SO, UH, THE PRIMARY CONCERNS I HEARD WERE ONE THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES REGARDING WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH I KNOW YOU THAT WE'VE HAD PRESENTATION ON THAT BEFORE.
AND THAT'S MAINLY, I BELIEVE, ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY TO THE ADUS BECAUSE I WOULD PROBABLY AGREE THAT A PERSON'S GOING TO DO A LIVE WORK SITUATION AND CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THAT LOCATION, UH, IS PROBABLY NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO FALL WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT WILL PROVIDE SOME DIVERSIFICATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ADDITIONALLY, UH, AND, AND RATHER THAN HAVING TO ADDRESS IT, THE, I BELIEVE THE ISSUE WAS RAISED UP, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN REGARDING REZONING AND IT'S VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT THE ZONING DOES NOT CHANGE.
THE ONLY ISSUE IS ON THE OVERLAY THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, MUCH LIKE WHAT A LOT OF HOMES IN THESE AREAS HAD AT ONE POINT IN TIME WHERE THERE WERE GARAGE APARTMENTS AND OTHER THINGS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE ALLOWED SORT OF LIKE THAT IF THIS, THIS WERE TO OCCUR.
BUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE WOULD BASICALLY BE THAT RATHER THAN REQUIRING SITE PLAN ON TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE TREATED MORE JUST LIKE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, SO YEAH, I, I WROTE A BUNCH OF THIS DOWN AS WELL AND I'LL LET RANDY, YOU PROBABLY DID A FAR BETTER JOB THAN ME BECAUSE I'M SLIGHTLY HEARING IMPAIRED AND OUR SOUND SYSTEM HAS BEEN TERRIBLE TONIGHT.
UH, I DO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE WHO COULD NOT HEAR MY PRESENTATION.
UH, I KNOW I'M QUIET, SO IF, UH, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULDN'T HEAR, UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
I DID WRITE DOWN A BUNCH OF THESE QUESTIONS AND I'LL ANSWER THEM AS MUCH AS I OR AS WELL AS I CAN.
UM, I WILL ALSO ALLOW MY BOSS, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TO ANSWER SOME AS WELL.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DID NOT HEAR, I AM BECCA PATRICK AND I AM ONE OF THE CURRENT PLANNERS FOR THE CITY.
I DO WORK FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.
THERE WAS, UM, A QUESTION OR A STATEMENT ABOUT SURVEYS, UH, REGARDING SURVEYS FOR BOTH THE RESIDENTS AND THE OWNERS OF ALL THESE PROPERTIES.
OUR EDMOND BUILDS PROGRAM, WHICH IS OUR, ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS OUT OF OUR LONG RANGE PLANNING, UM, DID SURVEY OVER SEND OUT OVER 1000 POSTCARDS AND LETTERS COMBINED TO THESE THREE AREAS AS WELL AS 400 SURVEYS, ONE SURVEY, BUT SENT OUT 400 TO 400 DIFFERENT ADDRESSES.
UM, AND THEY DID NOT RECEIVE MUCH RESPONSE.
BUT OVERALL IT WAS POSITIVE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND BECCA, THAT WAS A COMBINATION OF HOMEOWNERS AND THE CURRENT TENANTS.
'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF RENTAL IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
SO YES, THEY DID GO DOOR TO DOOR.
UM, FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WAS NOT ME.
BUT, UM, ARE PEOPLE BEING KICKED OUT OF THEIR HOMES? NO, THEY'RE NOT.
UH, SOMEONE ASKED A QUESTION ON HOW YOU CAN BUILD A FOURPLEX ON A 25 BY ONE 40.
YOU CANNOT, UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE ZONING CODE, WHICH WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT.
COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? UH, A FOURPLEX ON A 25 FOOT BY ONE 40 LOT, UH, YOU STILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE ZONING FOR A FOURPLEX, WHICH WOULD HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZES.
AND A 25 BY ONE 40 FOR FOUR UNITS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT SIZE, THERE'S A LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT PER UNIT DWELLING.
AND ANY OF THOSE YOU'VE SEEN CHANGE HAVE COME THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS? THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, LIKE THE EXAMPLE SHOWN IT WAS REZONED TO ALLOW FOR THAT.
THAT PROJECT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT CAME THROUGH HERE MULTIPLE TIMES AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN WHAT THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT CAME THROUGH HERE MULTIPLE TIMES AND WE SAW IT.
WHAT, UM, AND NOBODY WAS HERE TO, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT? WHAT IS THE PER UNIT QUAD? A QUADPLEX A QUADPLEX WOULD REQUIRE AROUND, UH, 10,000 TO 11,000 SQUARE FEET ON A LOT OF, A LOT.
SO, SO A LOT SIZE HAS TO BE THAT BIG PER DOWN 50 BY 50 FEET TO BE 75 BY 140.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ON LIKE BUILDINGS BEING TOO CLOSE TOGETHER FOR, UM, FIRE SAFETY REASONS ARE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SERVICES WOULD ADDRESS SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN IT CAME THROUGH BUILDING PERMITS.
THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUIRED RATING, FIRE RATING OF WALLS, UH, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.
UH, THEY ENFORCE THAT NOW AS WELL.
UM, AND TO THAT, THIS WAS REVIEWED BY AND WRITTEN WITH THE HELP FROM OUR BUILDING AND FIRE CODE SAFETY PEOPLE, OUR ENGINEERING PEOPLE, OUR STORMWATER PEOPLE, OUR EDMOND ELECTRIC, OUR UTILITIES, AND OUR SOLID WASTE PEOPLE.
THIS IS NOT, NOT CREATED IN A VACUUM.
UH, THEY WERE, UH, INVOLVED SO THEY CAN MAKE SURE THEY STILL PROVIDE ALL THEIR SERVICES AND ALL THEIR MINIMUM DEMANDS OR NEEDS WERE MET.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING HOW THESE AREAS WERE SELECTED.
THEY WERE PART OF OUR EDMONDS BUILD PROGRAM
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AND I DID GO OVER THAT IN THE BEGINNING PART OF MY, UM, PRESENTATION THOUGH I KNOW I WAS HARD TO HEAR.UM, BASICALLY THESE AREAS HAVE PROXIMITY BOTH TO DOWNTOWN AND TO U C E O, MAKING THEM GREAT CANDIDATES FOR DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, WALKABILITY, UH, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND THE DESIRE TO BE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO ALREADY SEEING THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE OVERLAY BASICALLY STREAMLINES OR LOOKING TO STREAMLINE AND EQUALLY APPLY THESE REGULATIONS ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND, AND TO ADD ONTO THAT, THE URBAN FORM OF THESE AREAS PLAYED A BIG PART OF THAT IN THAT THERE ARE ALREADY SMALLER, LOTS, SMALLER CITY BLOCKS.
UH, THEY HAVE ALLEY ACCESS FOR THE MOST PART.
NOT EVERY LOT, BUT MOST LOTS DO.
AND THEN THE CLOSENESS TO DOWNTOWN AND THE SERVICES IT PROVIDES.
THERE'S A QUESTION REGARDING LIVE WORK PARKING, UH, THE PARKING FOR CUSTOMERS.
AND YES, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR AT LEAST TWO SPACES OF OFF STREET PARKING FOR THE LIVE WORK.
AND THERE WAS AN HOUR RESTRICTION AS WELL, CORRECT? YES.
I DON'T REFER IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT'S IN THERE, IT'S LIKE EIGHT TO FIVE OR EIGHT TO SEVEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO GONNA BE OFF STREET REQUIREMENTS FOR TRIPLEX AND QUADPLEX PARKING AS WELL.
AND LET'S SEE, I WROTE SOME NOTES AND QUESTIONS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING THE SIDE YARD FOR THE MULTIPLE LIVE WORK UNITS.
SO IF YOU GO BACK, CHRISTY, CAN I HAVE THAT? SO WHEN A MULTI ATTACHED AD OR A LIVE WORK UNIT LOOKS LIKE, IS THIS LIKE THIS? THESE WOULD BE ATTACHED, RIGHT? THEY SHARE A WALL.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE REDUCED TO THAT ZERO FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
IF THEY'RE GONNA BE STANDALONE LIKE THIS UNIT, UM, OR FOR INSTANCE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UH, IT REQUIRES THAT MINIMUM OF THREE FOOT SIDE, FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
ALL OF THESE ARE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANYTHING REMOVED FROM THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
WE'LL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, RIGHT? SO IT'S STILL GONNA HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS FOR CODE COMPLIANCE.
AND, AND THE REZONING, AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T MESS WITH UNLESS IT'S WHATEVER IT'S CURRENT ZONING IS, YOU STILL HAVE TO GET THAT APPROVED AND COME THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
AND THE ZONING PROCESS IS A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, SO RIGHT, WHICH WE SEE A LOT.
AND THERE'S A COMMENT MADE ABOUT THE ZONING MAP OF THESE AREAS.
UH, AND I WILL, I ACTUALLY DID THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS MEETING.
I WILL PROVIDE A MAP SHOWING THE ZONING OF ALL THREE OF THESE AREAS AND WHERE THESE WOULD TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES WHERE THEY CURRENTLY WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHOUT HAVING TO REZONE.
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY EVEN THOUGH THERE WOULD NOT BE A SITE PLAN PROCESS.
THE REZONING WOULD TRIGGER THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
'CAUSE THEY COULD DO THAT TODAY WITHOUT ANYTHING.
THEN I'VE COME REZONE IT IF IT'S ALREADY ZONE FOR THEY THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
RANDY, DO YOU HAVE, UH, CAN A LIVE WORK UNIT HAVE AN A D U? NO, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THERE.
UH, IF THE LIVE WORK LOSES THE WORK PART, IT'S JUST A RESIDENCE AT THAT PART.
IT CAN NEVER BECOME JUST WORK.
UH, RONNIE, I BELIEVE I GOT THE BOUNDARIES RIGHT.
YOU ASKED WHY THIRD, UH, TO THATCHER AND FRETS THE RAILROAD WAS CUT OUT.
UH, ALL THIS CAN ALREADY BE DONE THERE BY RIGHT IF NOT MORE.
UM, UH, SOMEONE ASKED IF AFFORDABLE HOUSING EQUALS SECTION EIGHT AND NOT IN THE WAY WE USE IT.
UH, THERE IS SOME HUD LANGUAGE THAT MIGHT SPECIFICALLY SPEAK TO THAT, BUT WHEN WE SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE MEAN LOWER CASE A NOT CAPITAL A.
JUST GENERALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD OR ATTAIN HOUSING IN THE AREA, UM, DOES THE OVERLAY REZONE THE PROPERTY? IT DOES NOT.
IT IS ONLY RE PROPERTY CAN ONLY BE REZONED IS IF A PROPERTY OWNER COMES TO US AND REQUESTS THAT AND IT GOES THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
UH, SOMEONE ASKS WHO REGULATES RENT, UH, THAT THE CITY DOES NOT REGULATE RENT.
GENERALLY AS A RULE, WE DO HAVE CITY PROGRAMS TO HELP WITH HOUSING REHAB OR RENTAL REHABS OR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, UH, FOR PEOPLE WHO INCOME QUALIFY THAT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
WE DO REGULATE, UH, HOW MUCH OR HOW MUCH AN INDIVIDUAL CAN MAKE LIVING IN THOSE HOMES.
UH, BUT THAT IS THE ONLY CASE THAT'S DONE.
UH, SIDEWALKS, UH, ANY RESIDENTIAL PERMIT SHOULD HAVE A SIDEWALK BUILT IN FRONT OF IT.
SO AS WE SEE MORE HOMES BUILT, WE SHOULD SEE MORE AND MORE SIDEWALKS BUILT IN THIS AREA.
UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALSO APPLYING FOR GRANTS TO FILL THE GAPS IN THESE AREAS AND TO, UH, BUILD SOME TRAILS AS WELL TO ADD TO THE CONNECTIVITY.
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UH, SHIRLEY LANE, I WOULD, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SET UP A MEETING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SHIRLEY LANE AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT SHIRLEY LANE A LITTLE BIT.THAT WAS ONE AREA WE WAFFLED BACK AND FORTH ABOUT INCLUDING OR NOT INCLUDING FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
THE URBAN FORM BEING THE MAIN ONE, UH, MAINTENANCE OF ALLEYS.
UH, AS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TAKE ACCESS FROM THE ALLEYS, UH, WE ARE ALLOWING DIFFERENT STANDARDS TO THE ALLEYS TO BE BUILT TO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE NOTICED IN FRONT OF, BEHIND THE MAIN STREET HOUSES, THEY'RE NOW GRAVEL WITH, UH, CONCRETE EDGING SEEMS TO BE HOLDING UP REALLY WELL.
WE'RE TRYING NEW THINGS SO WE CAN IMPROVE THOSE ALLEYS IN THE AREA.
UM, GREG HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT.
I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING REGARDING ALLEYWAYS, IS THAT WHEN THEY DO A NEW, WHERE WE COME TO A NEW PROJECT, IS THAT THE DEVELOPER, WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO DO A PIECE OF IT DEPENDS ON HOW FAR DOWN THE ALLEY THEY ARE.
OR REMIND ME WHAT HAPPENS THERE.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER.
I KNOW FOR RESIDENTIAL PERMITS WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY, IT'S COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, IT'S THE COMMERCIAL PIECE.
WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A QUESTION ON THE ALLEYWAY? I'M SORRY, WHAT? WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN THE QUESTION ON THE ALLEYWAY? UH, LET, LET ME GET THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS HERE AND MAYBE I CAN ANSWER ONE FOR YOU.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY PLANS TO WIDEN BROADWAY AT ALL.
I'M LOOKING AT THE CITY ENGINEER TO SEE IF HE'S GONNA SAY, NO, YOU'RE WRONG, BUT HE SEEMS TO AGREE.
UM, BARNETT FAILED DOES HAVE BATHROOMS NOW, SO I PLEASE LET THAT LADY KNOW THAT THERE ARE BATHROOMS THERE.
UH, THE PETE REER PROPERTIES CITED AS AN EXAMPLE.
UH, MANY OF THOSE HAD TO BE RE REZONED TO BUILD THAT KIND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO DO IS STREAMLINE THE PROCESS SO PEOPLE LIKE MR. REER WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH QUITE AS MUCH TO GET IT DONE.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THE H O A LANGUAGE JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD LISTED.
DID I MISS ANY DONE? I DO HAVE A, A QUESTION.
CAN YOU DO A COMPARE AND CON CONTRAST OF WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO BY RIGHT.
BASED ON BUILDING LINES AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS? CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW YOU CAN DO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UH, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A SEPARATE UTILITY ACCOUNT OR A SEPARATE ADDRESS OR A SEPARATE DRIVEWAY.
SO MOST OF THESE COULD HAVE THE A D U.
NOW WHAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO DO IS THEN MAKE IT EASY TO RENT.
SO YOU SEE THEM MOSTLY BUILT FOR FAMILY MEMBERS AT THE CURRENT TIME.
UH, THE PROBLEM THAT'S CREATED IS, UH, FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES LOCATING WHICH BUILDING SOMEBODY MIGHT BE IN WHEN A CALL.
SO WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS 'EM SEPARATELY AND HAVE IT SEPARATE UTILITY ACCOUNT.
WHAT ABOUT BUILDING LOT LINES? UH, BUILDING LOT LINES.
UM, TYPICALLY, AND KEEP IN MIND, THESE AREAS WERE BUILT LONG BEFORE THE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS THAT ARE IN PLACE NOW WERE CREATED, SO ALMOST NONE OF THEM MEET THAT.
UH, BUT TYPICALLY NOW FOR A SINGLE FAMILY ZONED LOT, FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 25 FEET, SIDE YARD IS FIVE FEET, AND A REAR YARD IS 20 FEET.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? MM-HMM.
THE ONE GENTLEMAN HAD A QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO BE VERY NICE AND SAY, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, THE ALLEYWAY THAT YOU MENTIONED.
I SAW THAT, THAT ONE OVER THERE BY
MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS IT GOING TO BE STRICTLY FOR A THROUGH FAIR? IS, IS IT, IS THERE GONNA BE PARKING ALLOWED IN THE ALLEYWAYS? I KNOW THE CITY ORDINANCE HAS AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T PARK IN AN ALLEYWAY.
UM, BUT I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE PARK IN ALLEYWAYS AND STAY THERE.
UM, HOW IS, HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? OKAY.
IS IT GONNA BE USED AS A THROUGH FARE OR CAN YOU PARK, CAN YOU PARK AS WELL ON THAT? ALLEYWAYS AND EDMOND ARE USED FOR ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
UH, THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO BE PARKED IN AND THEY JUST DO NOT PROVIDE ACCESS TO FIRE OR TRASH SERVICE.
WELL ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR BEHAVIOR.
UH, OTHER THAN THE ONE CLAPPING AT THE BEGINNING, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND STOP IT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE, UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, WE, WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND UH, AS I SAID, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY VOTING ON THIS THIS TIME.
UH, AND I'M CONFIDENT THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL REVISIONS AND CHANGES AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO YOU ALL ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AGAIN ON THAT.
UH, SO OCTOBER 3RD, IT WILL BE AT PLANNING COMMISSION AGAIN, UH, HOPEFULLY FOR A VOTE AT THAT TIME.
UH, OCTOBER 10TH, IT WILL BE AT URBAN BOARD TO BE DISCUSSED THERE.
AND THEN THE EARLIEST IT WILL BE AT CITY COUNCIL IS OCTOBER 23RD.
WHAT'S THE OCTOBER 9TH ON HERE? THE OCTOBER 9TH WAS AN URBAN BOARD MEETING WHERE IT WAS DISCUSSED OCTOBER 9TH.
UH, THE OCTOBER 9TH WAS THE LETTERS.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO GO HERE FOR A VOTE AND THEN TO CITY COUNCIL.
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UH, WE HAVE HEARD PEOPLE WOULD LIKE MORE DISCUSSION, SO WE WILL HAVE MORE DISCUSSION.SO THAT, WHAT'S THE NEW DATE? I'M SORRY, FOR CITY COUNCIL IS OCTOBER 23RD.
AND WHEN DO YOU VOTE ON THIS? FOR A VOTE FOR RECOMMENDATION ON OCTOBER 3RD BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OCTOBER 3RD, WE'LL BE BACK HERE.
AT WHICH POINT IN TIME THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL VOTE? OCTOBER 3RD IS PLANNING, COMMISSION AND PERSPECTIVE OR THE, THE POTENTIAL DATE FOR CITY COUNCIL IS OCTOBER 23RD.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, DO WE HAVE A, ANY NEW BUSINESS? NO.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR AJOUR? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW I DIDN'T BREAK THIS.