[1. Call to Order.]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE STUDY OVERVIEW.
[2. Presentation and Discussion on Development Impact Fees, including an Overview of the Proposed Process to Potentially Establish a Development Impact Fee Program for the City of Edmond.]
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION, A DISCUSSION OF DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, INCLUDING AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED PROCESS TO POTENTIALLY ESTABLISH A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, UM, AT THE WORKSHOP THIS AFTERNOON.
I'M THE CITY OF EDMOND'S, UH, LONG RANGE PLANNING, UH, TEAM LEADER.
I'D LIKE TO, THIS IS THE KIND OF PROJECT THAT REALLY GETS, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT EXCITED.
IT'S IMPLEMENTING KIND OF MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND, UM, IT INVOLVES A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION AND MANY OF THEIR, MANY OF THEIR LEADERS AND REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE TODAY AND WILL BE INVOLVED WITHOUT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
SO I'D LIKE TO THANK THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
UM, MY JOB IS JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INTRODUCTION IN TERMS OF, UM, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ARRIVE WHERE WE ARE, AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR, OUR CONSULTANT LEAD.
UM, SO IN LATE LAST YEAR, UM, WE CONCLUDED A COUPLE OF, UH, MAJOR PLANNING STUDIES THAT IDENTIFIED FISCAL GAPS.
UM, MANY OF YOU WERE INVOLVED THROUGHOUT THOSE STUDIES, SO PRIMARILY THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN AND THE REVENUE AND OPTIMIZATION STUDY THAT WAS TARGETED AT OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES.
UM, OF COURSE WE TOOK SOME OF THOSE, UH, KEY RECOMMENDATIONS, INCORPORATED THOSE INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO YOU SEE REFERENCE TO THE EDMOND PLAN HERE ON THE SLIDE.
UM, ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS INVOLVED, UH, STUDYING, UH, THE FEASIBILITY OF AN IMPACT FEE PROGRAM.
SO, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, WE CREATED A SCOPE OF WORK AND RELEASED AN RFP REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL.
UH, WE RECEIVED THREE PROPOSALS FOR THAT THIS PAST SUMMER.
UH, WE WENT THROUGH A SELECTION PROCESS, UM, IN AUGUST, AND THE, UH, CONTRACT FOR THAT WAS APPROVED WITH TISHLER BIAS INCORPORATED IN SEPTEMBER BY THIS BODY.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CARSON B AND HE'S GONNA, UM, GIVE US OUR OVERVIEW AND HE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY LIVELY DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH.
I'M CARSON BEIS WITH, WITH TISHLER BEIS.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS NOW FOR OVER 40 YEARS, AND WE HAVE A UNIQUE SPECIALIZATION ON COST OF GROWTH ISSUES, BOTH FISCAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, AS WELL AS INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING, WHICH INCLUDES IMPACT FEES.
AND WE'VE DONE MORE IMPACT FEE WORK THAN, THAN ANY FIRM IN THE COUNTRY.
UH, WE'RE BASED IN BETHESDA, MARYLAND AND BOISE, IDAHO.
UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IMPACT FEES IN GENERAL.
UM, THEY ARE A ONE-TIME PAYMENT GENERATED OR GEARED TO COVER THE COST OF GROWTH RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, USUALLY COLLECTED AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMITS.
THE IMPLEMENTING ORDINANCE WILL, WILL DICTATE THAT.
UH, WE CAN'T USE IMPACT FEES TO SUBSIDIZE OPERATION OPERATING COSTS.
UH, WE ALSO CAN'T USE IT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT OR MAINTENANCE.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY COUNCIL MEETINGS I'VE BEEN IN ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE SOMEONE SAYS, THIS IS A TAX ON NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TAX AND A FEE.
A TAX IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS BASICALLY REVENUE RAISING IN NATURE.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO GET APPROVAL.
A FEE IS TYPICALLY DESIGNED TO COVER THE COST OF SOMETHING.
AND WITH IMPACT FEES, WE HAVE TO MEET THREE PRONGS OF A LEGAL TEST.
ONE IS WE HAVE TO MEET NEXUS OR NEED.
SO THROUGH THE REPORT ITSELF, WE TELL A STORY OF THE CITY OF EDMONDS GROWN OVER TIME, THAT GROWTH IS LIKELY TO BE X IN THE FUTURE, AND THAT GROWTH'S GONNA GENERATE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE IF WE WANT TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT LEVELS OF SERVICE AS A CITY GOING FORWARD.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE TO SHOW BENEFIT.
AND WE SHOW BENEFIT IN TWO WAYS.
ONE IS THROUGH THE TIMING OF THE EXPENDITURE, AND SOMETIMES IMPACT FEE ENABLING LEGISLATURE OR LEGISLATION IN CERTAIN STATES DICTATE THE TIMING OF THOSE EXPENDITURES.
UH, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO, UH, SHOW BENEFIT FROM A GEOGRAPHIC PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO SOMETIMES THAT LEADS US TO CREATE BENEFIT ZONES, OR SOMETIMES PEOPLE CALL THEM COLLECTION AND EXPENDITURE ZONES.
UH, TYPICALLY YOU FIND THAT IN A VERY LARGE CITY OR A LARGE COUNTY.
UH, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THAT HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE IN EARLY DAYS OF THE ANALYSIS PERIOD, BUT THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF THE BENEFIT TEST.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE FEES ARE PROPORTIONATE TO DEMAND.
SO THAT'S WHY ONCE THE FEE STUDY IS DONE, YOU WILL SEE FEES BY TYPE OF LAND USE.
SO WE JUST DON'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL FEE AND A NON-RESIDENTIAL FEE.
WE HAVE TO SEPARATE THOSE OUT INTO SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MULTIFAMILY AND RETAIL VERSUS OFFICE VERSUS INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE ALL THESE LAND USES HAVE DIFFERENT INDICATORS OF DEMAND.
AND, AND THAT CAN MEAN FOR INSTANCE, VEHICLE TRIPS, GENERATION RATES AS IT RELATES TO
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ROAD IMPACT FEES AND, AND EMPLOYMENT DENSITIES AS IT RELATES TO OTHER FEE CATEGORIES.AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR ACTUAL DEMAND ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM.
NOW, I DID MENTION ENABLING STATUTES IN MOST STATES THAT HAVE IMPACT FEES.
UH, AND I THINK THERE'S 29 AT THE LAST COUNT HAVE A IMPACT FEE ENABLING STATUTE.
THERE ARE A FEW STATES WHERE IMPACT FEES ARE COLLECTED, UH, BASED ON HOME RULE RULE POWERS.
BUT IN OKLAHOMA, WE DO HAVE A FEW CAVEATS OR PROVISIONS WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
ONE IS IT DEFINES AN IMPROVEMENT ELIGIBLE FOR IMPACT FEES AS SOMETHING THAT HAS A USEFUL LIFE OF 10 YEARS OR MORE.
SO THAT PRECLUDES THE COLLECTION OF IMPACT FEES FOR THINGS LIKE POLICE VEHICLES, WHICH IN SOME STATES ARE ALLOWED.
'CAUSE TYPICALLY A POLICE VEHICLE HAS A USEFUL LIFE OF THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
IT DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE BOTH THE MUNICIPAL PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT'S UNIQUE TO ARIZONA, OR EXCUSE ME, TO OKLAHOMA.
THERE ARE ONLY A FEW STATES THAT REQUIRE A PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL BEFORE IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL.
THERE ARE ANNUAL REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD WITH EVERY ACT.
WE HAVE TO PUBLISH AN ANNUAL REPORT EACH YEAR THAT SHOWS HERE'S OUR INTAKE, HERE'S OUR OUTTAKE, AND HERE'S OUR BEGINNING BALANCE GOING FORWARD.
AND THE REAL UNIQUE, UH, CAVEAT IN THE, IN THE, UH, OKLAHOMA ACT IS IT DOES SAY EXEMPTIONS MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE DETERMINED TO CREATE DESIRABLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT QUALITY JOBS, A TYPE OF DESIRABLE LAND USE THAT IS IN SHORT SUPPLY WITHIN IN THE MUNICIPALITY OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT ALSO SAYS THE EXEMPT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF THE SYSTEM EXPANSION IMPROVEMENTS IS FUNDED THROUGH A REVENUE SOURCE OTHER THAN DEVELOPMENT FEES.
MOST ACTS IN THE COUNTRY DON'T MENTION THESE EXEMPTIONS AT ALL.
AND TYPICALLY WITH IMPACT FEES, WE HAVE TO GUARD AGAINST, UH, DISCRIMINATING AGAINST CERTAIN LAND USES.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, TO WORK WITH, UH, THE CITY'S LEGAL STAFF ON IS POLICIES RELATED TO THESE EXEMPTIONS.
AND TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY THAT'S GONNA BE EXEMPTED FROM IS GONNA COME FROM IN ORDER TO MAKE THE THE CIP WHOLE.
UH, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS, BUT THERE IS, UH, THREE WAYS TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU GO ABOUT CALCULATING IMPACT FEES.
AND ONE IS TO LOOK TO THE PAST, THE PRESENT OR THE FUTURE.
SO WHEN WE LOOK TO THE PAST, THIS MEANS, UH, WHAT WE CALL A BUY-IN OR A COST RECOVERY APPROACH.
AND A GOOD GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, LET'S SAY A COMMUNITY HAS OVERSIZED A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.
IT'S CURRENTLY OPERATING AT 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, AND IT'S, UH, OR IT'S SIZED AT 10 MILLION GALLONS, BUT IT'S CURRENTLY OPERATING AT 6 MILLION GALLONS.
NEW GROWTH IS BUYING INTO THAT EXCESS OR THAT REMAINING 4 MILLION GALLONS OF CAPACITY.
AND SO WE, UH, CRAFT THE FEE, UH, USING A COST RECOVERY METHOD.
WHEN WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE, WE CALL THAT A PLAN-BASED APPROACH.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE TYPICALLY HAVE AN ADOPTED MASTER PLAN, TYPICALLY FOR TRANSPORTATION OR WATER AND SEWER, WHERE THIS IS MOST COMMON.
AND IT'S GOT A FUNDING PLAN IN PLACE TO SHOW WHERE THE GROWTH SHARE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE NON-GROWTH SHARES ARE COMING FROM.
AND WE BASE THE FEE ON THAT PLANT.
UH, WE ALSO LOOK TO THE PRESENT, AND THAT IS THE, BY FAR, THE MOST POPULAR WAY TO CALCULATE IMPACT FEES, WHERE WE TAKE A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE THE CITY IS NOW IN TERMS OF LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF WE TAKE PARKS AS AN EXAMPLE, WE LOOK AT, WELL, HOW MANY PARK ACRES DO YOU HAVE RELATIVE TO THE POPULATION? SO WE GET A A LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD, AND THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE GONNA INCREMENTALLY EXPAND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM GOING FORWARD.
ONE OF THE REASONS THIS METHOD IS POPULAR IS BECAUSE BY DEFINITION, SINCE WE'RE USING THE EXISTING LEVEL OF SERVICE, THERE IS NO EXISTING DEFICIENCY THAT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY MONEY FOR TO FUND THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT DEFICIENCY TO BRING IT UP TO THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AND SO THERE'S LESS GENERAL FUND EXPOSURE WHEN YOU USE A, A CONSUMPTION-BASED APPROACH VERSUS A PLAN-BASED APPROACH IN MOST COMMUNITIES LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT REDUCES THEIR FINANCIAL RISK.
WE ALSO HAVE TO GUARD AGAINST DUE DEVELOPMENT PAIN TWICE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE WHAT ARE KNOWN AS CREDITS OR OFFSETS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED WITHIN THE, THE METHODOLOGY.
UH, THERE, THEY'RE BASICALLY THREE TYPES OF CREDITS.
UH, THE FIRST TWO ARE RELATED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE DEBT SERVICE ON EXISTING FACILITIES, THAT, OR FUTURE FACILITIES, THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO CONTRIBUTE EITHER THROUGH PROPERTY TAX OR SALES TAX.
WE MAY HAVE TO GRANT A CREDIT FOR THAT.
AND THEN IF YOU ALSO HAVE DEDICATED REVENUES, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, A DEDICATED SALES TAX THAT GOES TO TRANSPORTATION OR PARKS AND RECREATION, IF THAT MONEY IS GONNA BE USED FOR CAPACITY, WE TYPICALLY HAVE TO GIVE A CREDIT FOR THAT AS WELL.
THE THIRD TYPE OF CREDIT HAS TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS.
AND THAT IS, IN MANY INSTANCES, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WILL BUILD OR PROVIDE LAND OR MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT FOR WHICH AN IMPACT FEE IS INTENDED FOR.
AND SO IN THOSE CASES, WE HAVE TO CRAFT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THE DEVELOPER IS MADE WHOLE AND, UM, AND THAT THEY'RE NOT PAYING TWICE, ONCE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT FEE, AND THEN AGAIN, THROUGH THE, THE IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY HAVE
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PROFFERED OR CONSTRUCTED.NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE CALL SORT OF MYTHS AND MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT IMPACT FEES.
AND ONE IS BY FAR, YOU KNOW, THE ONE WE HEAR THE MOST IS THAT IMPACT FEES ARE GONNA BE SOME SORT OF SILVER BULLET.
THEY'RE GONNA SOLVE ALL OF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING NEEDS, AND THAT'S SIMPLY NOT THE CASE.
UH, A PROPERLY DESIGNED FEE MAY COME CLOSE, BUT AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THESE CREDITS.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, UH, DOUBLE DIPPING, SO TO SPEAK.
AND SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH OTHER REVENUES IN ORDER TO FUND, UH, ALL OF YOUR GROWTH RELATED NEEDS.
IMPACT FEES SHOULD JUST BE CONSIDERED ONE OF SEVERAL REVENUES IN YOUR PORTFOLIO.
UH, ANOTHER MISCONCEPTION IS THAT IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE BASED ON PLANNING STANDARDS WITHOUT CONCERNS FOR DEFICIENCIES.
SO, UH, EARLIER TONIGHT I MENTIONED PARKS AND RECREATION.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THE THING, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT GET COMMUNITIES IN TROUBLE, AND THAT IS THEY BASE THE IMPACT FEE ON A ADOPTED PARK MASTER PLAN THAT MAY SAY THAT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE COMMUNITY, OR OUR GOAL LEVEL OF SERVICE IS SIX, SIX ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
WELL, IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING AT 3.8 ACRES PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS, WE HAVE TO USE THE 3.8 UH, ACRE STANDARD UNLESS WE HAVE A FUNDING PLAN IN PLACE TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO THAT SIX ACRE STANDARD.
SO WE CAN'T USE PLANNING STANDARDS, WE HAVE TO USE WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY.
ANOTHER MISCONCEPTION OR MYTH IS, IS THAT ALL DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS HATE IMPACT FEES.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE AT ALL.
UM, IN OUR OPINION, SMART, SMART DEVELOPERS LIKE IMPACT FEES BECAUSE IT GUARANTEES THEY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PLACE TO DO BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU ARE GONNA SUFFER FROM A LACK OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S GONNA BE A PERCEIVED LACK OF QUALITY OF LIFE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A REASON WHY PEOPLE WANNA MOVE TO ED EDMOND NOW AND BUSINESSES WANNA LOCATE IN EDMOND NOW.
AND IF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, CAPACITY IS DIMINISHED, THEN, THEN YOU WILL SEE A LACK OF DEVELOPMENT.
ALSO, ANOTHER MISCONCEPTION IS IMPACT FEES, UH, NEGATIVELY AFFECT LOW AND MODERATE HOUSING.
WELL, THERE'S WAYS TO AMELIORATE THAT.
AS I MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS SLIDE, YOUR STATE IMPACT FEE ACT ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT AN EXEMPTION FOR THAT.
BUT THERE ARE, THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GO ABOUT MITIGATING THAT IMPACT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AS PART OF THIS, THIS STUDY IS, IS WHAT WE CALL A PROGRESSIVE RESIDENTIAL IMPACT FEE STUDY.
AND THAT'S BY SIZE OF HOUSE RATHER THAN JUST SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MULTIFAMILY.
BECAUSE IN MOST COMMUNITIES THAT WE WORK WITH AROUND THE COUNTRY, THERE IS A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE SIZE OF A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING UNIT AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT RESIDE THERE, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, WHICH AFFECT VEHICLE TRIP GENERATION RATES.
AND SO, UH, WHAT HAPPENS IN MOST COMMUNITIES IS THAT THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP UP TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND THEN IT LEVELS OFF.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS YOUR SMALLER COMMUNITIES WITH SMALLER HOMES, HOUSE SIZES AT LOWER PRICES END UP HAVING LESS IMPACT ON YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM.
AND SO THAT HAS A WAY OF HELPING MITIGATE THAT.
ALSO, THERE ARE WAYS TO EXEMPT, UH, OR, OR, UH, UH, REACH AFFORDABILITY AND HOUSING GOALS, UH, THROUGH EXEMPTIONS AS LONG AS WE IDENTIFY MONEY TO, UM, TO COVER UP THE, THE SHARE THAT WE'RE OF IMPACT BS THAT WE'RE WE'RE FOREGOING.
IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT FEE STUDY WE'RE CONDUCTING FOR ADMIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORIES AT THIS POINT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH ALL OF THESE.
WE'RE STILL IN THE INVESTIGATE INVESTIGATORY PHASE OF THIS, BUT IT INCLUDES PARKS AND RECREATION, LIBRARIES, GENERAL GOVERNMENT, POLICE, FIRE, TRANSPORTATION, TRANSIT, DRAINAGE, WATER, WASTEWATER, AND ELECTRIC.
AND THIS SLIDE OUTLINES THE PROCESS, WHICH IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
AGAIN, WE'RE IN EARLY DAYS AS PART OF THE STUDY, WE'RE BASICALLY ON THE FIRST TWO TASKS HERE, WHICH IS PROJECT INITIATION AND DATA COLLECTION, WHICH IS WHERE WE, UH, START MEETING WITH, WITH CITY STAFF AND, AND START COLLECTING DATA ON LEVELS OF SERVICE.
BUT WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTIONS, WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN TERMS OF HOUSING UNITS, EMPLOYMENT, UH, POPULATION, NON-RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, ET CETERA.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO PROJECT THAT OUT FOR A 10, 15 OR 20 YEAR PERIOD.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE INTERVIEWS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO COLLECT DATA RELATIVE TO LEVEL OF SERVICE, CAPITAL COST, FUTURE FACILITY PLANS.
UH, I MENTIONED THE THREE METHODOLOGIES WE CAN USE FOR IMPACT FEES.
WE'RE GOING TO BE INVESTIGATING THOSE, UH, WITHIN THE DIFFERENT FEE CATEGORIES.
EVALUATE THE NEED FOR CREDITS OR OFFSETS, PREPARE THE IMPACT FEE REPORT.
AND THEN AS GOING ALONGSIDE, OR WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONGSIDE THAT PROCESS IS THE ACTUAL STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, HERE IN A SECOND.
AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE ON TO THE ADOPTION PROCESS ITSELF.
SO STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, WE ARE BIG BELIEVERS AND INCLUDING, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED PARTIES, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY, AND IN SOME CASES THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
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UH, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE VERY BIG FANS OF INCLUDING THAT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE, UH, OUT IN THE OPEN.WE MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE PHILOSOPHICALLY ON CERTAIN ITEMS, BUT FOLKS FEEL THAT THE ASSUMPTIONS ARE VALID, THE METHODOLOGIES ARE SOUND, ET CETERA.
AND SO THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR FOLKS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS STUDY.
UH, WE'RE PLANNING AN OPEN HOUSE IN DECEMBER OF THIS MONTH, OR EXCUSE ME, DECEMBER OF 2023.
UH, AS PART OF THAT, THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, POLLING THAT WILL HAPPEN.
UH, AS PART OF THAT OPEN HOUSE, UH, WE'RE GONNA CREATE A FOCUS GROUP, WHICH WILL HAVE, AT A MINIMUM TWO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, TWO URBAN BOARD MEMBERS, TWO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BOARD MEMBERS, AS WELL AS SIX REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOME BUILDING COMMUNITY.
UH, WE ANTICIPATE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH AN UPGRADE OR UPDATE, AND PERHAPS THERE WILL BE SOME METHODOLOGICAL FORKS IN THE ROAD THAT WE WILL WANT SOME, SOME IMPACT FEE, UH, OR SOME GUIDANCE ON FROM A, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE RELATED TO THE PROPOSED IMPACT FEES, UH, THAT WILL OCCUR INCUR MARCH.
UH, WE ANTICIPATE GETTING A DRAFT STUDY TO YOU IN MAY OF THIS, UH, NEXT YEAR, UH, AND ALSO OUTREACH DURING MAY AS WELL.
AND THE FINAL PLAN IN ORDINANCE WOULD, UH, HOPEFULLY COME TO THE COUNCIL SOMETIME IN JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
AND FINALLY, NEXT STEPS, UH, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME DATA TO PRESENT IN, IN DECEMBER AS PART OF THAT, UH, CONTINUED DATA COLLECTION AND MEETINGS WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS.
AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THE FIRST ROUND OF STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS IN DECEMBER.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
SO WHAT'S THE POLL? WHAT, WHAT WILL YOU BE, WHO WILL, WHOM WILL YOU BE POLLING AND ABOUT WHAT TAKE THAT? SURE.
UM, SO WE IMAGINE THAT, UH, THERE'LL BE, UH, TWO POLLS, ONE KIND OF FOR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE, AND ONE, UH, TARGETING, UH, STAKEHOLDERS.
SO DEVELOPMENT, UH, INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.
SO, UM, YEAH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE KIND OF OUR TWO GROUPS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS BE IN THE POLL OR, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION YOU'RE LOOKING TO COLLECT.
OR IS THAT PART OF THE PROCESS TO DEVELOP THE POLL? YEAH, SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TO THE POINT YET WHERE WE HAVE LIKE DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD, BUT WE, WE ARE INTERESTED IN TRADE-OFFS.
LIKE, UM, SO THAT MAY BE THE, UM, IN TERMS OF LIKE DEVELOPER DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT TRADE-OFFS IN TERMS OF WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT COMPONENTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE STABILITY AND ASSURANCES THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, UM, WITH AN IMPACT FEE PROGRAM VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER TYPE OF PROGRAM OR BUSINESS AS USUAL.
FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, IT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ALREADY HERE, YOU DON'T REALLY, AREN'T REALLY SUBJECTED TO AN IMPACT FEE.
SO YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, I MEAN, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, I MEAN, IT IS ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCE, SO THERE ARE SOME IMPACTS, LOWERCASE HIGH TO THE, THE GENERAL FUND AND SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE COULD ASK ABOUT.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FOCUS GROUP AND, UM, YOU NAMED ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, DEVELOPERS, ARE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS INCLUDED IN THIS AS WELL? YES, MA'AM.
I JUST HEARD RESIDENTIAL AND I THOUGHT, OH, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED RESIDENCE COMMERCIAL IN THERE AS WELL.
MOST OF THE, HISTORICALLY, MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE BOTH INVOLVED.
YOU HAVE CURRENTLY YOU HAVE 11 ITEMS THAT YOU'RE TALKING, OR DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU SAID MIGHT BE PART OF THE STUDY.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CRITERIA YOU ARE YOU GONNA USE TO, UH, EITHER REDUCE OR EXPAND OR STAY WITH? GREAT, GREAT QUESTION.
SO, SEVERAL THINGS, SEVERAL FACTORS THAT GO INTO WHETHER WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU GO FORWARD WITH SOMETHING.
SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, WHAT ARE THE CURRENT FUNDING, FUNDING ARRANGEMENTS FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORY? SO, FOR INSTANCE, DO THEY HAVE A DEDICATED REVENUE? UM, GENERICALLY SPEAKING, UH, STORM WATER OR DRAINAGE IN MOST COMMUNITIES WE WORK WITH IS IN A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR IMPACT FEES BECAUSE ONE, A LOT OF THEM ALREADY HAVE A UTILITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND THEY'RE GENERATING FEE REVENUE.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IN MOST COMMUNITIES WE WORK WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, 90% OF YOUR DRAINAGE NEEDS ARE A RESULT OF SINS OF THE PAST, SO TO SPEAK.
MEANING THAT IF YOU SHUT THE DOOR TOMORROW, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY TO CORRECT THE, THE, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM
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YOU HAVE.AND SO A LOT OF CASES WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND GOING FORWARD WITH AN IMPACT FEE UNDER THOSE SITUATIONS.
UM, OTHERS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE LIKE PARKS AND, OR, OR EXCUSE ME, LIKE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY PARK GENERAL GOVERNMENT, POLICE, MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEAR THAT GROWTH'S GONNA GENERATE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FIRE STATIONS.
SO USUALLY THAT'S A CATEGORY THAT WOULD GO FORWARD.
UH, IF, IF FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S NO FIRM PLAN TO EXPAND A CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORY, UH, OR IT'S HIGHLY DOUBTFUL, THEN WE'D PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DON'T GO FORWARD WITH IT.
ANY OTHER? SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UM, OKLAHOMA CITY DOES HAVE IMPACT FEES.
I THINK, UM, WHAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL THAT I WOULD REQUEST IS TO BE ABLE TO SEE APPLES TO APPLES, WHICH I KNOW CAN BE DIFFICULT.
SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE MORE ORANGE TO APPLE, UM, OF KIND OF HOW THEY, UH, DO THEIR IMPACT FEES.
UM, PARTICULARLY IN OUR SOUTHERN AND KIND OF SOUTHWEST TO WEST BORDER WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY TOUCH US.
UM, I THINK, UH, WE HAD TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO, UM, A SPLIT PLAN THAT HAD TO GO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THAT INCLUDED PARTS OF EDMOND AND ALSO OKLAHOMA CITY.
SO ULTIMATELY IT WENT THROUGH THEIR PROCESS AND OUR PROCESS, AND THEN DEVELOPER HAD TO PAY SOME SORT OF IMPACT FEE.
IT WAS SMILING HILL BOULEVARD MM-HMM.
UM, AND SO FOR ME, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO SAY, OKAY, THIS WAS WHAT WAS REQUIRED SORT OF ON THE OKLAHOMA SIDE OF THAT PROJECT.
THIS IS WHAT WAS REQUIRED ON THE EDMOND SIDE PROJECT.
HOW ARE THOSE DOLLARS DEVIATED? I'M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN HOW, HOW OKLAHOMA CITY DESERT IMPACT FEE.
MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAVE LIKE A, THEY HAVE A PARKS IMPACT FEE, AND WE, WE WERE JUST HIRED TO DO THE TRANSPORTATION FEE.
SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM STARTING NEXT MONTH.
AND, UH, YOUR, YOUR REQUEST IS QUITE COMMON TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE REGION ARE CHARGING.
AND, AND, AND YOU ALSO RIGHTLY POINT OUT THAT IT ISN'T ALWAYS APPLES TO APPLES.
UM, AND SO A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO SORT OF CAVEAT OR PUT FOOTNOTES IN.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, PARKS IS ANOTHER GOOD ONE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN ONE COMMUNITY THEY'RE COLLECTING FOR TRAILS, PARKS, OPEN SPACE AQUATICS IN A COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND SO THEIR FEE MAY BE X, BUT ANOTHER COMMUNITY'S ONLY DOING LAND, RIGHT? AND SO THEIR FEE IS Y AND SO YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN AWAY THOSE, THOSE DIFFERENCES SOMETIMES.
BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY PREPARED TO, TO SHOW THAT.
AND ALSO WHEN WE WERE DOING SOME OTHER IMPACT FEE RELATED WORK FOR OKLAHOMA CITY, WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT PEER COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THE STATE AS WELL TO SEE WHAT THEIR FEE STRUCTURES WERE LIKE.
AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT HERE AS WELL.
I WOULD LOVE TO KIND OF SEE THAT BREAKDOWN, PARTICULARLY ON THE, JUST KINDA THE BORDER AREA AND JUST KIND OF SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING IT.
OF COURSE, IF THEY'RE MOVING IN SOME DIRECTION, WHY? MM-HMM.
I MEAN, THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES CAN FIT INSIDE LIKE THREE DIFFERENT TIMES IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
SO I WAS COMING FROM MINKO TODAY, I WAS IN OKLAHOMA CITY ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OUTSIDE OF MANCO OR SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S SO GEOGRAPHICALLY LARGE.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHY YOU'D HAVE TO DO COLLECTION EXPENDITURE ZONES OR BENEFIT AREAS THERE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, IT'S INTERESTING WHAT YOU GET ASKED, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF ANTICIPATE SOME THINGS AS A NEW CITY COUNSELOR, YOU KNOW, AROUND GARBAGE OR, YOU KNOW, JUST ITEMS THAT YOU THINK, HEY, PEOPLE ARE GONNA PINGING YOU ON.
THE ONE THING THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT SURPRISING IS THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO'VE REACHED OUT ON A STORMWATER ISSUE.
UM, IT CAN BE IN MANY CASES AS IT'S INVESTIGATED SOMEWHAT THEIR FAULT AND THAT THEY BUILT IN SOME AREA, OR THEY DID SO IN AN ERA OF TIME WHERE THERE WEREN'T AS STRICT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, GUIDELINES, GUIDELINES OR WHATNOT.
THEY MIGHT HAVE TRIED TO MITIGATE IT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH OR EVEN UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS A PROPER SORT OF CITY PERMITTING PROCESS.
UH, BUT THEN AGAIN, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WATER AND IT TENDS TO COME AND THEN GO, AND THEN COME AND GO.
WE ALWAYS KINDA HAVE THAT ISSUE.
AND AS, AS YOU TALK TO RESIDENTS, THEIR FEELING ALWAYS IS RIGHT, WRONG, OR INDIFFERENT, HEY, THAT NEW THING RIGHT ACROSS THERE THAT WASN'T HERE BEFORE HAS NOW CREATED THIS FLOW OF WATER, WHICH I CAN SWEAR IN A STACK OF BIBLES DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE THAT NEW THING WAS HERE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN AS I'VE DUG IN TYPICALLY AN HOA, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, DEPENDING ON THEIR SIZE AND SCOPE, 10 TO MAYBE $30,000 DEPENDING, YOU KNOW, IN SOME TYPE OF RESERVE FUND.
THEY, THEY, THEIR HOA SORT OF THROWS THEIR, YOU KNOW, OUT THE PITCHFORKS.
AND CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE WHERE THEY CAN RATE FOR SOME ASSISTANCE THROUGH OUR STORM WATER, BUT IT'S A PRETTY HIGH THRESHOLD.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME UNDERSTANDING THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, WHAT CITIES DO, WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, BECAUSE THAT ISSUE AROUND STORMWATER IS JUST NEVER, IT'S NEVER GONNA GO AWAY.
AND, UM, NINE TIMES OUTTA 10, THE CITY MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR IT, BUT WHEN IT IS, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT.
UM, THE OTHER PART IS, I KNOW THAT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY REALTOR AND DEVELOPER, UM, HEAVY, UM, KINDA MENTIONED THE POLL THAT WILL BE DONE AT THE PUBLIC.
UM, THE GENERAL PUBLIC, SINCE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN IN PLACE, MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND THE SORT OF IMPACT FEES AND WHATNOT.
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I WOULD SAY IN WHATEVER SORT OF GROUP THAT'S PUT TOGETHER, THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST A CITIZEN OR TWO REPRESENTATION ON THAT, I THINK IF WE DON'T DO SO, UM, RIGHT, WRONG OR INDIFFERENT, IT'LL BE VIEWED AS A DEVELOPER OR A REALTOR COMMUNITY HAVING A CONVERSATION WITHOUT THEM.SO I, I THINK UNLESS COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR DISAPPROVES THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT AN HOUR LATER, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE VERY, UM, FAVOR OF HAVING, UH, UH, SOMEBODY THAT THE COUNCIL APPOINTS FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO'S A PART OF THAT, UH, DIRECT KIND OF COMMITTEE.
UM, WHETHER THEY HAVE EXPERTISE IN THAT OR THEY'RE JUST A, A, A PUBLIC LEADER OR SOME SORT, UH, JUST TO KIND OF KEEP THEIR EARS AND EYES OPEN OF, OF HOW THEY CAN EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE THAT.
ULTIMATELY I THINK THIS COULD BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
I THINK IT JUST SHOWS THAT WE'RE A GROWING CITY, UM, AND AS WE PUT THESE PROCESSES IN PLACE, I JUST WANT TO DO IT ALONGSIDE THEM SO THEY DON'T KIND OF FEEL LIKE IT WAS DONE TO THEM, UH, LATER.
AS FAR FROM THE PUBLIC HERE AND THERE, I HAVE SOMEWHAT THE SAME GENERAL CONCERN ABOUT WHO'S ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO HOW DO, HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE TO THE COMMUNITY FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON? THIS IS A PROCESS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND EVERYONE'S GONNA HAVE THEIR ASSUMPTION OF WHAT THEY THINK IT IS.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY, UM,
AND, AND, AND I'M GONNA ASK IF IT'S PART OF OUR CONTRACT, PART OF YOUR JOB TO HELP US, UH, IS HOW TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE CITIZENS SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
SO WE, WE, WE WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHY WE'RE DOING IT AND, AND WHAT IT MEANS AT THE, AT THE END.
UM, BECAUSE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, THAT COULD BE BY PUTTING SOMEONE ON THE, PARTIALLY PUTTING SOMEONE ON THE BOARD FOR THAT, BUT HOW, EVEN US AS A, AS A CITY, HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE TO THE CITIZENS, UH, THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING FROM US THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION THERE.
AND SO, UM, HOW ARE YOU GONNA HELP US? HOW ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU, HOW ARE TWO? THE QUESTION IS HOW ARE YOU GONNA HELP US EDUCATE, RIGHT.
ONE, WE ARE, ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS, WE, WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE INTERVIEW, IS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS ON THE COMMITTEE AS WELL, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE CONVERSATION TENDS TO BE VERY ONE-SIDED.
UH, AND TO YOUR QUESTION, UH, MR. MAYOR IS, WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD A MEETING RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING TO TALK ABOUT JUST THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS GONNA BE A LINK ON YOUR EXISTING WEBSITE, UH, TO THE IMPACT FEE STUDY.
AND WE ANTICIPATE PUBLISHING THINGS LIKE THIS PRESENTATION, UM, AS WE START TO IDENTIFY ISSUES THAT COME OUT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DO, YOU KNOW, A ONE OR TWO PAGE WHITE PAPER KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, SOME, SO YOU'LL HAVE SOME COLLATERAL UP THERE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
AND WE'VE ALSO STARTED TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION ARE WE GONNA HAVE ON DISPLAY FOR THE FIRST OPEN HOUSE TO, TO HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON, ON IMPACT FEES.
I MEAN, I THINK THE MAYOR'S CONCERN AROUND THAT.
SO I THINK ONE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OFFICIALLY HAVING TO BE DONE BY US OR HOW WE COME UP WITH THE NUMBER, BUT DEFINITELY HAVING SOME CITIZEN LEADER THAT THE COUNCIL CAN APPOINT.
UH, THE, THE OTHER THING WOULD BE IS EVERYONE'S STRUGGLING TO COMMUNICATE.
WHAT I'VE BEEN STRUCK BY IS, YOU KNOW, WITH HERE, WITH THESE WORKSHOPS, WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE GET ALL THIS INFORMATION AND THEN EVERYBODY'S STRUGGLING OF HOW YOU GET IT IN FRONT OF THAT CITIZEN WHO ONLY HAS A NANOSECOND.
WE DON'T HAVE A DAILY PAPER ANYMORE.
WE GOT SOME GOOD ONLINE PARTNERS AS I LOOK OVER.
BUT, UM, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY SOMETHING U NOT UNIQUE TO EDMOND OVERALL BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO GET HERE EIGHT MONTHS OR 10 MONTHS LATER IN JUNE FOR PEOPLE TO START, WELL THIS IS A TAX, YOU KNOW, NO, IT'S THIS AND THIS IS WHY.
SO I DON'T KNOW, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE FROM Y'ALL SOME BEST PRACTICES FROM OTHER CITIES, BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE COMMUNICATION DAY ONE AS BEST THAT WE CAN ON IT.
THAT WASN'T A QUESTION, THAT WAS A STATEMENT.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FIRST? NO.
CAN I ASK A FEW QUESTIONS? KEN, REMIND ME ON THE 2050 PLAN, WHAT, EVEN IF WE BUILD EXACTLY AND IMPLEMENT ALL THE OVERLAYS, WHAT'S THE FINANCIAL OR FISCAL CHALLENGE? CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE DOLLARS YEAH.
SO THAT, UM, ASSUMING WE ARE ABLE TO FULLY IMPLEMENT THE GROWTH, UM, PATTERN, UM, THAT WAS THE PREFERRED SCENARIO IN THAT PLAN, UH, WE WIND UP WITH AN ADDITIONAL, UH, $9 MILLION PER YEAR GAP IN OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICE.
SO THAT'S ON TOP OF WHAT IT IS NOW.
SO BETWEEN THE WILL DAN STUDY, WHICH IS THAT REVENUE AND OPTIMIZATION STUDY, AND THE 2050 PLAN, UH, THEY FOUND BETWEEN
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A 25 MILLION AND $30 MILLION, UH, PER YEAR GAP CURRENTLY.UM, IT'S, SORRY, WE'RE MAKING JUMP UP AND DOWN.
YOU KNOW, THE LAST ONE OF THESE I DID WAS 25 YEARS AGO IN THE LAST CENTURY.
BUT, UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES YOU HEAR THE COMMENT LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, IMPACT FEES, THEY, THEY SLOW OR STOP GROWTH AND THIS IS, IT'S GOING TO REDUCE OUR ABILITY TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE ACROSS THE US ON THAT? I CAN ONLY OFFER THIS.
UM, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN IMPACT FEES SLOW OR RETARD GROWTH IN ANY OF THE COMMUNITIES WE WORK WITH.
AND I WAS TALKING TO THE MAYOR BEFORE THE MEETING, AND AT PRESENT WE'VE GOT OVER 60 IMPACT FEE JOBS THAT ARE JUST FOR REPEAT CLIENTS.
SO OBVIOUSLY IF THE IMPACT FEES HAD IMPEDED THEIR DEVELOPMENT OR THEIR ABILITY TO GROW, THEY WOULDN'T BE COMING BACK A THIRD OR FOURTH OR FIFTH TIME FOR AN IMPACT FEE STUDY.
AND, AND, AND THE MAYOR, I I BELIEVE MENTIONED THIS DURING OUR MEETING OR OUR, OR THE PRE-MEETING, OR EXCUSE ME, BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, ABOUT, THERE'S A REASON WHY PEOPLE IN BUSINESSES WANT TO COME TO EDMOND.
YOU KNOW, IT'S QUALITY OF LIFE, IT'S TRANSPORTATION ADVANTAGES, IT'S EDUCATED WORKFORCE.
IT'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
AND THE FACT THAT IT NOW COSTS, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE UP A NUMBER AND NOW COSTS $7,500 MORE, UH, TO COME TO EDMOND, IS WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT THAT CAUSES GROWTH TO MIGRATE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES OR SHUTS GROWTH DOWN.
SO, SO I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, WELL MAYBE IT'S TWO QUESTION IS, LET'S GO BACK TO THE AFFORDABILITY, NOT THE, THE HOUSING ASSESSMENT.
WE JUST DID THE CHALLENGE OF, HEY, WE NEED, WHAT IS IT, 800 MORE, WHAT IS IT, RANDY, 400 MORE UNITS OR 300 MORE UNITS, ABOUT 400 A YEAR.
AND LIKE PEOPLE WOULD SAY, OH MY GOSH, AN IMPACT FEE, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST RAISES THE PRICE OF A STARTER HOME OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
TALK A LITTLE MORE, HOW DOES THAT, HOW CAN, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, HOW COULD YOU STILL DO THIS BUT STILL ALLOW, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL CALL IT REVERSE KIND OF INCENTIVE TO, TO, TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT TO DO STARTER HOMES OR MULTI-FAMILY OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE? WELL, IT'S, IT'S TWO PRONG.
ONE IS, I THINK IT IT BEHOOVES YOU TO, TO SERIOUSLY INVESTIGATE DOING THAT PROGRESSIVE RESIDENTIAL FEE STRUCTURE WHERE THE SMALLER HOMES PAY LESS OF A FEE.
THE SECOND IS THROUGH, AND WE NEED TO, TO, TO WORK MORE WITH YOU GUYS ON, UH, THE EXEMPTION POLICY, BUT COME UP WITH ONE, YOU GOTTA DEFINE WHAT AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING IS, WHAT THE EXTENT OF THE PROGRAMS GOING TO BE AND HOW ARE WE GONNA FUND THE DIFFERENCE AS A COMMUNITY.
THEN LASTLY, TALK, TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE PROXIMITY.
EVEN JUST BUILD MY OWN SINGLE FAMILY HOME OUT THERE, MY OWN LOT.
DOESN'T THIS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG? IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S GONNA GO RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE DOLLARS RIGHT BACK IN FRONT OF IT.
SO, UM, MOST, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU ARE A VERY LARGE CITY LIKE OKLAHOMA CITY AND IT'S ONLY WITH PARTICULAR FEE CATEGORIES, TYPICALLY THAT YOU HAVE TO SET UP BENEFIT AREAS, THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO BENEFIT AREAS HERE, DEPENDING ON FEES.
WE'RE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO TO THAT DETAIL, BUT TYPICALLY A COMMUNITY PROVIDES LEVEL OF LEVELS OF SERVICE ON A CITYWIDE BASIS.
YOU, YOU PROVIDE POLICE SERVICE ON A CITYWIDE BASIS, YOU PROVIDE FIRE SERVICE ON A CITYWIDE BASIS.
AND FIRE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF A STATION OVER HERE IS OUT ON CALL, THE STATION OVER HERE IS RE IS IS BACKING THAT UP.
SO IT TRULY IS A CITYWIDE SYSTEM.
SO YOU DON'T NEED TO JUST SAY, THESE PEOPLE OVER HERE ARE GONNA PAY FOR THIS FIRE STATION BECAUSE EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM THAT FIRE STATION.
I MEAN, MY KIDS ARE, ARE SWIMMERS AND THEY SWIM ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
THEY JUST DON'T SWIM IN THE POOL THAT'S CLOSEST TO US.
IT'S THE SAME WITH PARKS, PARTICULARLY THE WAY PARKS DEPARTMENTS ARE, ARE DOING BUSINESS THESE DAYS WHERE THEY'RE PROV THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILDING LARGER ATHLETIC COMPLEXES AND SPECIAL PURPOSE PARKS AND GETTING AWAY FROM THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY PARK MODEL.
AND SO EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM THOSE, FROM THOSE FACILITIES.
LIKE A WATER TREATMENT PLANT, PARDON ME? WATER TREATMENT.
AND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS TYPICALLY ARE CITYWIDE, BUT THERE ARE CASES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BASINS AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ONLY GONNA, THAT ARE GONNA OPEN UP THIS AREA AND OTHER AREAS DON'T BENEFIT FROM.
SO WE DO HAVE TO GET INTO THAT, UH, AT SOME, ON SOME LEVEL.
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TYPICALLY IT'S YOU'RE PROVIDING C CITYWIDE LEVELS OF SERVICE.I SAID I PERSONALLY THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, BACK TO COMMUNICATIONS, THAT'S KEY.
UM, AND THEN STEVE, DO WE, OR CAN WE JUST AS A COUNCIL DECIDE WHO OR WHAT OR HOW WE WANNA APPOINT OR DO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF VOTE OR, WELL, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, I WAS GONNA ASK THAT SAME QUESTION BECAUSE YOU WANT TO, THEY WANT TO HAVE A FOCUS GROUP BY DECEMBER MM-HMM.
AND SO I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
DO, DO WE WANT TO HAVE ONE FROM EACH COUNCIL PERSON, UH, TO REPRESENT THE, THE CITIZENS FROM EACH WARD OR I THINK, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE DIS BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE CITY BEING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, UH, A FOCUSED AREA, IT'LL, IT'LL EVENTUALLY AFFECT THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WHAT ALL THE THINGS WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER, UH, ABOUT THAT, HOW LARGE THAT COMMITTEE NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE IT GETS TOO LARGE THEN IF IT'S GONNA LOSE ITS FOCUS.
DO YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT, IT SAID LIKE TWO FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TWO FROM THE CENTRAL URBAN BOARD, YOU KNOW, THERE WE GO.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE CITIZEN REPRESENTATION.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFER MAYOR AND THEN TO MY OTHER CITY COUNCILORS WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE MORE TENURE AS FAR AS WHAT IS HELPFUL AS FAR AS THE NUMBER, I'M NOT STUCK ON A NUMBER.
WELL, AND WHEN YOU SAY CITIZENS, I MEAN WE HAVE CITIZENS SERVING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE URBAN BOARD AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BOARD, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THOSE ARE NOT GONNA BE STAFF STAFF OR THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THOSE REPRESENTATIVES I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE STAFF OR, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE SERVING ON THOSE BOARDS.
BUT I, I KINDA LIKE THE IDEA OF MAYBE ONE FROM EACH BOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THEN GETS CUMBERSOME WITH THE SIZE OF THAT FOCUS GROUP AND AFFECTS ITS, UM, EFFECTIVENESS.
BUT I THINK FOR MESSAGING TOO, I MEAN, TO THE POINT PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT BETTER WAY TO COMMUNICATE OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY IS HAVING PEOPLE WHO AREN'T NECESSARILY ALREADY IN THE KNOW OR ON A COMMITTEE OR WHAT HAVE YOU TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.
I, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE TWO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, TWO URBAN BOARD WHO MAYBE WANT TO ADD A REP, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME POTENTIAL IMPACT FEES TIED TO PARKS.
DO YOU WANNA HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE PARKS BOARD? MM-HMM.
BUT IS THERE OTHER BOARDS YOU THINK MAY BE OF VALUE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LIST OF, OF POTENTIAL THAT WAY THEY HAVE AN INTEREST, THEY CAN GO BACK TO RESPECTIVE BOARDS SHARING HERE WHAT WE'RE HEARING YEAH.
AND WE, WE CAN MASSAGE, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY, BUT MASSAGE THAT AS WE THINK ABOUT, LIKE, IS THERE SOMEBODY FROM THE, THE BOARDS THAT YOU THINK THAT WOULD MOST BENEFIT FROM IT? LIKE, AND, AND AGAIN, I THREW OUT SWAB.
AND DO YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE FROM THE DIFFERENT WARDS, UM, YOU COULD, WE KNOW WHAT WARDS PEOPLE ARE IN THAT ARE SERVING ON THESE BOARDS AND YOU COULD COLLECTIVELY TRY AND, UM, SPREAD OUT, MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT SOME REPRESENTATION THROUGHOUT REPRESENTATION FROM THE WHOLE CITY.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS, TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, ARE YOU WANTING FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE NOT SERVING ON A BOARD CURRENTLY TO ALSO PARTICIPATE? I THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE AT LEAST SOMEONE MM-HMM.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED SIX, LIKE TWO, BUT YEAH, ONE OR TWO, UM, THAT WE AS A CITY COUNCIL PUT FORTH THE NOMINATION AND JUST APPROVE AND MAYBE WE TWEAK THIS A LITTLE BIT TO ADD A PARKS BOARD MEMBER.
UM, BUT I THINK AGAIN, UM, I WANT TO INSERT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND SAYING, HEY, AS PART OF ON THIS, IT'S NOT JUST YOUR EXPERTISE AND YOUR FEEDBACK, IT'S GO BACK TO YOUR ROTARY, GO BACK TO YOUR CHURCH, GO BACK TO YOUR LION'S CLUB, GO BACK TO YOUR, AND, AND ASK FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A QUICK TWO MINUTE UPDATE OR SOMETHING AND BRING THE INPUT FROM THEM TO THIS GROUP BACK TO, YEAH.
SO, SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, WELL, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CITIZENS, SOMETIMES WE JUST PICK SOMEONE THAT WE KNOW THAT'S INVOLVED WITH OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAS AN INTEREST THAT'S NOT ON ANY OTHER BOARD.
THEY'RE A DAD, THEY'RE A GRANDFATHER.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD SOME TYPE OF CRITERIA YOU WANTED
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THAT PERSON TO HAVE.I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR A CITIZEN THAT'S IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS AN INTEREST, THAT HAS NO CONNECTIONS TO ANY OF THE BOARDS.
JUST SOMEONE COULD BE, COULD BE JUST SOMEONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN THEIR CITY, DON'T WANT THE, WE DON'T, I DON'T, I'M LOOKING AT IT LIKE NOT PUTTING SOMEBODY ON THERE TO BE A HINDRANCE THAT WE HAVE TO, THAT WE HAVE TO, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EDUCATION THEY MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE TO, TO GO MM-HMM.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN WE HAVE A PRETTY HEALTHY, AT LEAST FOLDER, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE ALL KEEP OF PEOPLE THAT APPLY FOR A BOARD AND WE CAN KIND OF GO LOOK THROUGH AND UM, SEE IF THERE'S SOMEONE THERE, KIND OF THINK THROUGH THAT.
BUT I THINK IF WE, AND I THINK IF WE ADD PARKS AND THEN HAVE SOME SORT OF CITIZEN LIKE, HEY, WE'RE NOT A, YOU'RE NOT A REALTOR, YOU'RE NOT A BUILDER, BUT YOU'RE A YEAH.
YOU'RE JUST AN ADMIN CITIZEN THAT'S RAISING THEIR HAND AND SAYS, I WANNA HELP OR, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE LEADERSHIP IN SOME WAY, THEN WE COULD LOOK AT APPOINTING.
I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE ONE OR TWO IN THAT REGARD.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT DEFINITION.
MAYOR WOULD LOOK TO YOU FIRST.
WHAT'S TOO MANY? SO, OKAY, ANY QUESTION, WHAT'S TOO MANY, BUT WHEN DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS NUMBER? BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ONE COUNCIL PERSON MISSING FROM THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
AND UM, I'M SURE HE'LL HAVE INPUT TOO, WOULD WANT HIS INPUT TOO, ON, ON NUMBER AND ALL THAT.
SO WHEN DO YOU NEED THAT FINAL DECISION FROM US? WELL THAT'S REALLY A SCOTT RIGBY OR, OR EXCUSE ME, A KEN BRYAN QUESTION.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE LOGISTICS, UH, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE LARGER GROUPS WE'VE WORKED WITH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S UNMANAGEABLE.
BUT MY GUESS IS WE NEED TO KNOW IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, RIGHT? IN NOVEMBER, LET'S SAY.
JUST, YOU'VE BEEN HERE, WHAT, A COUPLE TIMES NOW, TWO, THREE TIMES.
WHAT'S YOUR EARLY THOUGHTS, FEELINGS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS? AS YOU LOOK AT EDMOND? JUST CURIOUS, ANY INITIAL THOUGHTS AS YOU START THE PROCESS, MEET WITH DEPARTMENTS ABOUT, UM, WELL, YOU'RE FORTUNATE THAT YOU DO HAVE SOME DEDICATED REVENUES THAT GO TO CAPITAL.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES WE WORK WITH DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, FUNDING INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF ON A CATCH AS CATCH CAN BASIS WITH WHATEVER YOU CAN AFFORD TO TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
AND SO THAT THAT CAN, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO SIDES TO THAT.
ONE IS IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO, UH, PERHAPS DO SOME MORE INNOVATIVE THINGS.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, TRY TO ELEVATE LEVELS OF SERVICE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, USING PARKS, AGAIN, AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY AT THREE ACRES PER THOUSAND, BUT YOU WANT TO GET TO FOUR, YOU'VE GOT A REVENUE SOURCE SET ASIDE THAT YOU COULD DO THAT, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT A REVENUE SOURCE THAT YOU CAN FUND THE NON-GROWTH SHARES WITH THAT CAN ALLOW YOU TO DO A PLAN-BASED APPROACH, WHICH MAY GET YOU A HIGHER FEE IN A PARTICULAR CATEGORY WHERE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THOSE DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCES, YOU, YOU DON'T.
UM, SO, BUT IT ALSO PRESENTS THE NEED FOR, UH, OR COULD POTENTIALLY PRESENT THE NEED FOR HAVING TO GIVE CREDITS TO THE METHODOLOGY AS WELL.
RIGHT? IT DEPENDS ON FOR CO-MINGLING FUNDS.
AND SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
ONE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CERTAINLY GROWING AT A FAST ENOUGH CLIFF CLIP TO JUSTIFY IMPACT FEES.
AND I THINK THAT THAT, I THINK THAT OVER TIME YOU'RE JUST GONNA BECOME EVEN A MORE ATTRACTIVE PLACE.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY POST PANDEMIC IS, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY FOR FOLKS TO, TO LIVE AND WORK WHEREVER NOW.
AND A LOT OF FOLKS ARE CHOOSING TO COME TO PLACES LIKE OKLAHOMA CITY AND TULSA AND EDMOND AND BENTONVILLE AND NORTHWEST ARKANSAS AND ALL THESE TYPES OF PLACES THAT OFFER LOW TAX RATES, QUALITY OF LIFE AND FAMILY, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, THAT'S GONNA, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET EVEN MORE DEVELOPMENT THAN, THAN YOU'VE GOTTEN IN THE PAST.
MAY I JUST POINT OUT SOMETHING LIKE DURING YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR FOCUS GROUP, THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO BE INVOLVED AND APPROVE THAT FOCUS GROUP, SO HAVE INPUT AS TO THE MAKEUP OF THAT.
SO WE PROBABLY WANT TO GET THAT DONE NO LATER THAN YOUR SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER SO THAT THEY'D BE READY TO GO IN DECEMBER.
SO YES, THAT SHOULD BE AN ITEM ON OUR AGENDAS FOR AT LEAST THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER TO APPOINT THE FOCUS GROUP.
AND STAFF CAN HELP, I'M SURE, AS LONG AS SUGGEST NAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK YOU THAT.
IS THERE ANY, UH, QUESTION, COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE? SEE NONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? SO WE'LL HAVE SOME
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FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE MAKEUP WITH STAFF AND HAVE A LOOK FORWARD TO SECOND WEEKEND, SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER TO HAVE THAT FINALIZED.ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OTHER CONCERNS? WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT NOW SINCE WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A LARGE GROUP THAT YOU NEVER WORKED WITH BEFORE?
I SAY IT'S JUST NOT VERY OFTEN.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE, THE SIZE OF THE GROUP AT ALL.
IT'S A LOT OF VARIETY OF PERSPECTIVES.
APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING YOUR EXPERTISE TO THE TABLE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'LL CALL THIS WORKSHOP ADJOURN.