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UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'LL CALL TO ORDER THE JANUARY 2ND, 2024, UH, MEETING OF THE ADMIN PLANNING COMMISSION.
[2. Consideration of Approval of Meeting Minutes: 12/5/2023]
ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTE MEETINGS FROM 12 5 20 23.HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THEM AND DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS OR CHANGES? I'LL MAKE A MOVE TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED IN A SECOND.
UH, THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO.
[3. Public Hearing - Consent Docket: Items on the consent docket are recommended for approval by the Staff and will be voted on as a group, unless members of the commission or the public request individual action on an item.]
TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT DOCK, WHICH IS ITEM THREE, CASE NUMBER PR 21 DASH 0 27, WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION OF EXTENSION FOR THE FINAL PLATT OF WEST WOODY CREEK PHASE ONE.AND DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY NEED TO PULL THAT ITEM? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE? SECOND.
AND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO AND IT WILL BE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 22ND, 2024.
[A. Case #SP23-00019 Public Hearing and Consideration of a Site Plan application for Costa Oil located on the west side of Broadway, south of 33rd Street. (Maroon Holdings, LTD) (Ward 3)]
ON THE DISCUSSION DOCKET, UH, CASE NUMBER S SP 23 DASH 0 0 0 1 9 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR COSTA OIL LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF BROADWAY, SOUTH OF 33RD STREET, MAROON HOLDINGS, LTD IS THE APPLICANT.THE, UH, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN FOR AN OIL CHANGE FACILITY ON BROADWAY, JUST SOUTH OF 33RD STREET.
UH, THE SITE IS ZONED F1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH ALLOWS THE OIL CHANGE USE, UH, THE SURROUNDING USES.
USES INCLUDE A CAR WASH, A COLLISION CENTER, A MOTORCYCLE SHOP TO THE NORTH, AND THEN BROADWAY, UH, SQUARE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE 918 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS TWO SERVICE BAYS AND 15 AND A HALF FEET AT ITS TALLEST POINT.
UH, THE EXTERIOR INCLUDES FIBER, CEMENT, CEMENT PANELS, UH, METAL PANELS AND METAL ACCENTS.
UH, THE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES 18 PARKING SPACES.
THERE ARE THREE VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED TO LANDSCAPING.
UH, TWO OF THE TERMINAL ISLANDS DO NOT MEET THE REQUIRED 12 FEET IN WIDTH ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING BY THE DUMPSTER.
SO IT'S THOSE TWO RIGHT THERE AND THERE.
UH, THE 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER THAT IS REQUIRED ALONG BROADWAY WAS NOT PROVIDED.
UH, THE AREA ALONG BROADWAY IS A DETENTION FOR THIS SITE AND THE CAR WASH SITE.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA IN FRONT HERE.
THERE'S A REQUIRED 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
UH, AND THE FRONTAGE PLANT UNITS HAVE NOT BEEN MET, UH, DUE TO THE OVERAGE OF PARKING.
THERE ARE MORE PLANT MATERIAL, THERE IS MORE PLANT MATERIAL REQUIRED.
UH, ALL OTHER STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MET AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HOW DO MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT, I'M SORRY.
I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THE 10 FOOT BUFFER ON THE FRONT FOR LANDSCAPING.
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THE DETENTION AREA IS, IS KIND OF MESSING UP.
WHERE WOULD THE NATURALLY, THE 10 FOOT WOULD BE UP HERE BY THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THE DIS UH, THE DETENTION AREA OKAY.
IS, IS THERE, UH, SO WE WOULD HOPE TO SEE IT BACK HERE BY THAT DRIVE, BUT THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE DETENTION AREA POTENTIALLY.
AND WIDE, IS THAT DETENTION AREA, RANDY? I DO NOT KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT, IT SERVES BOTH THIS AND THE CAR WASH SITE.
UM, SO THE WIDTH OF THAT DETENTION AREA VARIES FROM 30 FEET AT THAT NORTH END TO 60 FEET OF THE SOUTH.
UM, SO THEY HAVE THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT TAKES UP BASICALLY THAT WHOLE AREA AND THEN THERE'S AN AXIS EASEMENT RIGHT ALONGSIDE IT.
SO IT ENDS UP ONLY LEAVING MAYBE FOUR FEET FOR THAT BUFFER THAT IT'S REQUIRED.
DID YOU GUYS HAVE A, AND INSIDE THAT EASEMENT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, RANDY, BUT DOES LAND THE LANDSCAPE PLANTED DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE REQUIREMENT? AND I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER SYSTEM OVER THE AVERAGE VEGETABLE TREES WITHIN AN EASEMENT DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE POINT TOTAL.
I THINK ALL OTHER LANDSCAPING DOES.
DO YOU KNOW CHRISTIE? SO I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY CAN COUNT THE TREES, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO SQUEEZE IN THOSE THREE THAT YOU SEE THERE.
AND THERE'S ALSO TWO EXISTING TREES, UM, IN THAT UTILITY EASEMENT.
UM, RIGHT AT THAT CORNER RIGHT HERE.
UH, SORRY, I, ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE AT THE SOUTH END OF LIKE NEXT TO THE DETENTION POND,
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THERE'S THISYEAH, THERE'S TWO EXISTING TREES ALREADY, BUT WE CAN'T COUNT THEM 'CAUSE IT'S IN A EXISTING UTILITY EASEMENT.
IF THOSE WERE COUNTED, WOULD THEY MEET? THEY WOULD BE A LOT CLOSER TO THE, TO THE POINT TO NEEDED.
I THINK WE'D BE LIKE TWO POINTS SHORT, WHICH WE CAN ADD A SHRUB SOMEWHERE I'M SURE.
IS, IS THERE ANY WAY AT ALL TO GO AHEAD AND ADD ADDITIONAL PLANNINGS ALONG THROUGH THE EDGE OF THE DETENTION EASEMENT OR NOT? UM, WE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO MAYBE FIT IN I THINK A SHRUB OR SOMETHING VERY SMALL, BUT THAT, THAT AREA'S ALREADY PRETTY, PRETTY TIGHT.
THERE'S A FLUME THAT WE HAD TO LIKE EXPAND THE ENTRANCE FOR, SO THAT ENDED UP TAKING OUT ONE OF THE TREES.
YEAH, IT'S PRETTY TRICKY WITH A LIMITED SPACE DUE TO IT BEING LIKE A RETROFIT SITE.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? AND I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.
WHAT HAVE YOU ALL ATTEMPTED TO DO TO VISIT WITH CITY STAFF IN REGARD TO TRYING TO DO SOMETHING IN REGARD TO THE LANDSCAPING OR MEETING THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS? UH, FOR ALL THE VARIANCES? YES.
SO I GUESS, SO AS I SAID, THE 10 FOOT BUFFER, THAT'S, UH, PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET JUST BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND THE ACCESS AGREEMENT, WHICH TO MY KNOWLEDGE WOULD BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO, UM, I GUESS CHANGE OR IN ANY WAY RELOCATE SINCE THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, UM, NEEDS TO ACCESS THAT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I MEAN WE POINTED OUT THAT IT WAS JUST THE, THAT, UH, DRAINAGE EASEMENT HAS ITS GRASS LINED.
SO, UM, IT BASICALLY PROVIDES A 30 TO 60 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, WHICH WE CAN'T PUT TREES IN IT, BUT THERE'S AT LEAST, UM, I DON'T KNOW, A LOT OF GRASS.
AND AT THAT SOUTH END, THOSE TWO EXISTING TREES, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T COUNT FOR LIKE THE POINT SYSTEM, IT'S STILL MEETING THE SAME INTENT OF THE, UH, I GUESS BUFFER OR, UM, TRYING TO HIDE THE, UH, PROPERTY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UH, CURB ISLANDS THAT WERE REQUIRED, WE ACTUALLY HAD THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IN THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER BETWEEN THOSE TWO ISLANDS.
BUT, UH, THE CITY'S SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT HAD US RELOCATED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A BETTER ANGLE FOR, UH, BACKING OUT AND ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC AND ALL OF THAT.
AND DID THE CITY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR ANY WASTE TO BASICALLY INCREASE THE LANDSCAPING? UM, FOR THE LANDSCAPING? THEY DID HAVE US INCREASE, I BELIEVE THAT CURB ISLAND, THE NEW ONE WE'RE ADDING.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY HAD US MAKE US MAKE THAT LARGER TO KIND OF TRY TO LIKE MAKE UP FOR IT.
UM, AND WE DID END UP INCREASING THE, UH, POINTS FOR THE OVERALL SITE THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MEET IN THE, UH, FRONTAGE.
AND YEAH, WE, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, WE HAD A MEETING AND HE WANTED IT EXACTLY PLACED THERE FOR THAT REASON.
WHICH IF, I MEAN, I GUESS IF NECESSARY WE COULD EXPAND THAT EXISTING CURB ISLAND TO MAKE SURE IT'S, UH, 12 FOOT WIDE AND UH, POTENTIALLY TRY TO ADD ANOTHER ONE.
UM, THE, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HIS ROLE IS, BUT THE DIRECTOR OR WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE, HE DIDN'T SEEM TO THINK IT WAS A, A BIG PROBLEM AT THIS POINT.
SINCE WE HAVE, UH, THE OTHER TERMINALS.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU GUYS ADD SOME, SOME LANDSCAPING TO GET TO THE POINTS THAT DOESN'T COUNT DOWN THERE.
IS THERE SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN SAY, YES, YOU MET IT.
IF IT WAS, IF THE, IF THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE EASEMENT WAS THERE, YOU WOULD'VE MET, YOU'RE PUTTING THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF PLANTS THERE.
'CAUSE THEN TO ME, I LOOK AT THAT AND GO, YOU'RE STILL MEETING THE GIST OF THE ID EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T HAVE THE DEDICATED EASEMENT FOR LANDSCAPING THERE.
WHICH WE, WE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ADDING MORE TREES.
IT WAS JUST MORE SO OF TRYING NOT TO GET INTO THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
BUT I MEAN, IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE FINE.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL AFFECT, YEAH.
'CAUSE I MEAN I KNOW THE TAYLOR JUNIPERS, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T TAKE UP A LOT
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OF ROOM AROUND THE BASE AND THEY GROW UP AND, AND, UH, PUT ON PRETTY GOOD GROWTH.I THINK 18 TO 24 INCHES APPROXIMATELY GENERALLY A YEAR.
UH, I MEAN WE COULD CERTAINLY YEAH.
UH, ANOTHER ONE ARE, ARE YOU ALL SUGGESTING LIKE WE, EVEN IF IT WENT INTO THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT THAT I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO VISIT WITH CITY STAFF ABOUT AND WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND WHAT, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE ISSUES THAT I THINK CONCERNS SEVERAL MEMBERS HERE ON THE COMMISSION.
UM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING POTENTIALLY THAT, UH, YOU NEED TO HAVE WORKED OUT BEFORE.
UH, CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY HEARS THAT.
UH, I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.
UH, WHO DO WE HAVE AS FAR AS AN ARBORIST OR SOMEONE'S, IT WOULD BE, UH, AVA, UH, ZANDA IS THE, UH, YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHO I WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH.
IT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
SO WHICH IS HOW WE GOT TO THIS, UH, THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO THEY CAN'T PLANT IN A DRAINAGE AREA.
EVEN IF WE DID, THEY, THEY WON'T COUNT IT.
WELL, WE'RE, WELL THAT'S OKAY.
IF YOU CAN, WE WOULD FEEL BETTER EVEN IF YOU COULD LEGALLY, IF IT WENT IN THERE, IT JUST MAKE US FEEL BETTER.
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT GONNA COUNT, IT WOULD QUASI COUNT IF YEAH.
I MEAN IT'S 'CAUSE YOUR ARGUMENT THEN IS WE MET THE CODE IF WE GOT TO COUNT.
SO FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IF, IF ALONG THE EDGE OF THE BORDER, IF ADDITIONAL JUNIPERS OR SOMETHING WAS PUT IN, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD IMPACT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT? POTENTIALLY.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE LANDSCAPING WITHIN DRAINAGE EASEMENTS EASEMENT BECAUSE WE'LL GET THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING AND, UH, MAINTAIN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.
BUT I THOUGHT THE COMMENT WAS MADE THERE WAS UP TO YOU THAT IT WOULD BE AS THIN AS FOUR FEET ON THE, IT COULD BE WHAT THE LANDSCAPE EASEMENT WOULD'VE BEEN.
IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT I HEARD IS THAT JUST ON THIS CORNER OR THAT IS, YEAH, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S THE ONLY LITTLE GAP THAT'S LEFT.
WHERE THOSE THREE ARE, IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT 20 FEET WIDE AND ABOUT THREE AND A HALF FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE CURB.
AND I KNOW THE ISLAND DEALS WHEN YOU BASICALLY CUT THAT IN ISLANDS, THAT HAS NOT BEEN REAL SUCCESSFUL ANYWHERE.
THEY LOOK REALLY, REALLY COOL WHEN YOU FIRST PUT 'EM IN.
AND I WILL SAY FROM REVIEWING THE UH, UH, EXISTING LIKE THE DRAINAGE REPORT, UM, FROM WHENEVER IT WAS DESIGNED, UM, I'M NOT SURE, UH, WHAT, UH, SORRY, WHAT COMPANY IT WAS.
UM, BUT THEIR WATER SURFACE ELEVATION FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR DID SEEM TO BE FURTHER PROVIDE MUCH MORE SPACE, WHICH IS WHY I WAS WONDERING WHY THEY HAD TO MAKE THAT EASEMENT SO, SO WIDE.
WELL, SINCE WE HAVE NO COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? AND IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION SECOND.
UH, THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY VOTE OF THREE TO TWO AND IT WILL BE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 22ND, 2024.
I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO HOPEFULLY TRY TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE IF THERE MAY BE A CITY COUNCIL IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AS WELL.
UM, SO WHO, WHO SHOULD I REACH OUT TO OR SPECIFICALLY LIKE OTHER THAN LANDSCAPING REACH OUT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? SO YOU PLANNING DEPARTMENT CHRISTIE OR MYSELF.
[B. Case #Z23-00024 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “G-A” General Agricultural to “R-1” Rural Estate District for the property located at 5420 Indian Hill Road. (Nathan Vaughn) (Ward 2) ]
TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, CASE NUMBER C 23 DASH 0 0 0 2 4 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM GENERAL AGRICULTURAL TO R ONE RURAL ESTATE DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 54 20 INDIAN HILL ROAD.NATHAN VAUGHN IS THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT MR. IN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM GA OR GENERAL AG TO R ONE RURAL ESTATE AND IT'S ON THE INDIAN HILL ROAD JUST WEST OF AIR DEPOT.
UH, THE LOT IS PART OF THE CANALS COLLEGE WOOD ACRES EDITION, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED WITH FIVE ACRE TRACKS.
UH, OVER TIME SEVERAL OF THE LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN REZONED AND SPLIT IN A SIMILAR FASHION AS TO THIS REQUEST.
UH, THE R ONE DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 90,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE EDMUND PLANT DESIGNATES THIS AREA'S RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH SHOWS R ONE AS APPROPRIATE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION OF CITY STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME? WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD
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ANYTHING FURTHER? NO.DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE? SECOND.
THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO.
THAT WILL BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 22ND.
UH, BRINGS US TO NEW BUSINESS.
THEREFORE DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 5 45 MM-HMM.