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[1. Call to Order.]
LIKE TO CALL IT.YEAH, I'D LIKE TO CALL IT SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER TODAY, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, SEVERAL THINGS.
THE ARPA FUNDS, THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA SALES TAX FUNDS, AND THE EV CHARGING STATION RATE, UH, ALL IN ONE BIG WORKSHOP.
[2. Presentation and discussion of American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funding received by the City of Edmond. ]
FIRST, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF, UH, THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT.ARPA FUNDS FUNDING RECEIVED BY THE CITY OF EDMOND CHRISTIE, YOU GONNA LEAVE THAT ALL FOR US? I AM.
I'M THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.
I OVERSEE SOME OF OUR GRANT FUNDING INCLUDED ARPA, SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
JUST A REMINDER THAT ARPA CAME ABOUT.
THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT CAME ABOUT DURING OUR, UM, COVID-19.
WE CAN ALL REMEMBER THAT EVEN IF WE WANNA BLINK IT OUT, UM, TO CONTROL, UH, THE, OR DECREASE THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS DURING THE PANDEMIC TO REPLACE LOST PUBLIC SECTOR REVENUE, TO SUPPORT IMMEDIATE ECONOMIC SITUATION OR STABILIZATION AND ADDRESS SYSTEM SYSTEMIC PUBLIC HEALTH AND ECONOMIC CHALLENGES.
THERE'S FIVE BROAD CATEGORIES OF THE ARPA FUNDING, UM, SUPPORTING PUBLIC HEALTH EXPENDITURES, ADDRESSING NEGATIVE IMPACT, ECONOMIC IMPACT, REPLACE LOSS, PUBLIC SECTOR REVENUE, PROVIDE PREMIUM PAY FOR ESSENTIAL WORKERS, AND AN INVESTMENT IN THE WATER, UM, SEWER AND BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE.
I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE MET OVER THIS SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, AND AS WITH EVERY FEDERAL REGULATION, IT'S CHANGES AS IT GOES.
AND WE GET MORE, UM, SOLID REGULATION AS WE GO.
TOTAL FUNDS AVAILABLE TO THE CITY OF EDMOND WAS JUST OVER 12.7 MILLION, AND WE DREW THIS DOWN IN TWO TIMES.
UM, MAY OF 2021 AND MAY OF 2022 TO DATE, WE HAVE EXPENDED, UH, $5.7 MILLION.
SO WE ALREADY RECEIVED THIS FUNDING.
AND QUARTERLY WE REPORT IT TO THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE HAVE OB OBLIGATED 4.8 MILLION, AND WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 2.2 MILLION REMAINING.
AND I'LL GO OVER HOW THOSE, WHAT CATEGORIES WE'VE, UM, EXPENDED AND PLAN TO EXPEND.
JUST A REMINDER, ALL FUNDS MUST BE OBLIGATED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
AND ALL FUNDS MUST BE SPENT BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2026, OR WE HAVE TO REPAY THEM.
COULD YOU DO US A FAVOR? UM, SURE.
IN THESE TERMS, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS FOR THE TERMS. COULD YOU GIVE THE EXACT DEFINITION OF WHAT OBLIGATED MEANS AND WHAT SPENT SPEND FUNDS MEANS? SURE CAN.
SO OBLIGATED IS JUST MEAN THAT YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE PLANNING TO USE THEM AND THAT, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN NECESSARILY THAT YOU HAVE ENCUMBERED THEM OR SPENT THEM.
UM, WHEN WE SAY EXPEND, THE WAY THAT WE REPORT IT TO AS TREASURY IS WHEN WE HAVE, YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED THE EXPENSE AND OR IT FALLS INTO THE BRACKET OF WHERE WE CAN SPEND IT.
UM, AND WE HAVE A PURCHASE ORDER ON IT.
AND WE, AND WE HAVE EXPENDED THE FUNDS.
I DON'T REPORT IT TO TREASURY UNTIL WE HAVE EXPENDED IT.
UM, SO WE'VE HAD A REV RECEIVED AN INVOICE, WE'VE TURNED AROUND AND PAID THAT INVOICE OR PAID THAT SERVICE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE, WHAT WE MEAN BY IT.
UM, AFTER DECEMBER 31ST, IF THE FUNDS ARE NOT ENCUMBERED IN ANY WAY, UM, OR DISEN CUMBERED.
SO LET'S SAY, UM, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE ARE WORKING ON A PROJECT, WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE $400,000 AND ENDS UP ONLY BEING $300,000 AFTER DECEMBER 31ST, WE CANNOT RE OBLIGATE THAT $100,000 TO ANOTHER PROJECT.
THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED HAVING TO PAY THAT BACK TO, UM, THE TREASURY.
UM, SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UM, THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE EXPENDED SO FAR.
UH, WE DID AN ARCADIA LAKE MASTER PLAN.
UM, THERE NEEDED TO BE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, IN THE WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UM, SOME DESIGN STANDARDS THAT NEEDED TO BE SET.
UM, SO WE HIRED, UH, TWO FIRMS TO DO THAT, AS WELL AS SOME INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT ARCADIA LAKE.
WE HAVE COMPLETED BOTH THOSE PROJECTS, UM, AND AS WELL AS ADDED SOME TRASH RECEPTACLE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE LAKE AS WELL.
UM, AND I BELIEVE WE BOUGHT A SPECIALIZED VEHICLE TO HELP WITH THAT TRASH RECEPTACLES.
UM, SO THAT WAS A LITTLE OVER 458,000.
THE TOURISM PARK, UH, DEPARTMENT, UM, UTILIZED THAT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, MOST IMPACTED ECONOMIC, UH, DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE AFFECTED BY COVID, BY CARERS BECAUSE TOURISM OBVIOUSLY DECREASED DURING THAT, UM, TIME PERIOD.
SO THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF TOURISM VISIT, EDMOND HAS USED THAT FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS FROM SPONSORING EVENTS COMING INTO THE BACK INTO EDMOND, UM, THEIR WAY FINDING SIGNAGE, WHICH YOU JUST APPROVED A PARTNERSHIP WITH ODOT, UM, RECENTLY.
SO WE'VE USED OUR CITY MATCH FOR THAT PROJECT, UM, AS WELL AS REDESIGNING THEIR WEBSITE,
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SOME PUBLICATION MATERIAL, ET CETERA.SO THEY'VE USED A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDS.
WE'VE EXPANDED WIRELESS, OR ACTUALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS BOUGHT THE FIBER AND, UH, EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO EXPAND WIRELESS IN CITY PARKS.
SPECIFICALLY THOSE PARKS OUT AT ARCADIA LAKE.
IF YOU REMEMBER, ARCADIA LAKE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE TO VISIT WHEN IT WASN'T A CO YEAR, BUT IT GOT, UH, A, A HUGE INCREASE DURING COVID AS PEOPLE WERE ENCOURAGED TO BE OUTSIDE AND SOCIAL DISTANCING.
UM, AND THAT'S WHEN WE SAW THAT OUR, UM, ARCADIA LAKE, UM, INCREASED IN TOURISM.
UM, AND, UM, THE PARKS THERE, IN PARTICULAR, THE, UM, PAY WINDOWS OR THE GATE NEEDED TO BE CONNECTED TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO THAT MATERIAL WAS BOUGHT WITH, UM, THOSE FUNDS.
UM, NORTH CARE FACILITY, SO THIS IS OUR MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY LOCATED AT 15TH.
AND KELLY, UM, NORTH CARE BOUGHT THE FACILITY DURING OUR MENTAL HEALTH ASSESSMENT AND WE PARTNERED WITH THEM TO HELP REHABILITATE THEIR, UM, BUILDING.
IT WAS ABOUT A $2.5 MILLION PROJECT.
UM, AND WE PARTNERED WITH THEM ABOUT A MILLION.
AND THAT PROJECT HAS COMPLETE COMPLETED AND A RIBBON CUTTING OPENING SHOULD HAPPEN IN MARCH.
WE REPLACED SOME A ED UNITS AS WELL.
UM, ALSO, UM, TO HELP OFFSET INCREASED COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE, THE, UM, IT WAS DECIDED TO HELP PAY FOR THOSE PREMIUM IN INCREASES.
UM, AND YOU ALL APPROVED THAT LAST YEAR.
STEVENSON PARK, UM, IS NOW OPEN AND UH, WONDERFUL IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE HELPED WITH THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THERE WITH ARPA FUNDING THE MITCH PARK TRAIL RESURFACING AS WELL.
UH, ONE A LITTLE OVER 1.6 MILLION.
THIS WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH I BELIEVE PARK TAX, UM, AS WELL.
SO THIS WASN'T THE FULL PROJECT.
THAT WAS JUST A MINOR PART TO WHAT ARPA FUNDED, UM, CLINK ROUTE INCREASE.
UM, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE CAME FORWARD WITH, UH, TWO NEW ROUTES AS WELL AS DECREASE IN 100 X.
UM, BUT TO HELP OFFSET THE COST WITH THOSE NEW ROUTES THAT SERVE THE I 35 CORRIDOR, UM, WAS AN INCREASE IN 306,000.
WE DID HAVE A ULI STUDY, WE ALL REMEMBER THAT.
UM, $65,000 WAS OUR PORTION OF THAT AFTER THE SPONSORSHIPS OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WE ALSO PLAYED FOR AN HR PLAN COMP, UH, COMPENSATION STUDY THAT WAS COMPLETED LAST YEAR AS WELL.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE'VE EXPENDED SO FAR BEFORE WE MOVE ON? SCOTT? DO WE KNOW? SO I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE DID 173,000 ON THE EMPLOYEE HEALTH.
SO WE WOULD HAVE ONE MORE YEAR WHERE WE COULD EXPEND THOSE FUNDS AT WHICH I'D BE IN FAVOR OF, BUT THEN WE'D HAVE SORT OF A CLIFF, RIGHT, OF WHERE THEN THE EMPLOYEE WOULD HAVE TO ABSORB THE TOTAL AMOUNT SOMEHOW.
DO WE KNOW, KIND OF LIKE HAVE WE THOUGHT THROUGH KIND OF PLANNING OF WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO THIS YEAR FOR AN ARPA REQUEST TO HELP WITH THAT? AND THEN HOW DO WE MAKE THAT UP SO THE EMPLOYEE DOESN'T HAVE A BOOMERANG KIND OF BIG JUMP MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, COUNCILOR ROBBINS, WE WON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PROJECTED, I'LL CALL IT INSURANCE BENEFITS INCREASE WILL BE UNTIL THE FALL, UM, THIS PAST YEAR.
THIS IS OUR SECOND YEAR THAT WE'RE DOING THE, THE BENEFITS.
WE TOOK THE EDGE OFF BY 2% OF WHAT, WHAT THE INCREASE WOULD'VE OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO DO THAT.
WELL, I'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, WHAT THIS UPCOMING FALL SHOWS FOR BENEFITS.
IT MAY BE FLAT, IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE.
THEN THE QUESTION WILL COME IS AT WHEN WE END OUR FUNDING, IS IT A CATCH UP? IS IT SOME TYPE OF, DOES THE CITY GRADUATE THAT THAT INCREASED BACKUP OR, OR WHAT THAT MAY BE? WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT YET.
I MEAN, PERSONALLY I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
IT'S GREAT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE PREVENT SORT OF THE, A SHOCK AND AWE OF, OF TRYING TO FILL THAT HOLE.
YEAH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
I, THE, THE INVERSE OF THAT IS FOR TWO PLUS YEARS, THE EMPLOYEES HAVE NOT FACED THOSE COSTS.
SO WHILE WE MAY HAVE, I'LL CALL IT A A, I WON'T SAY A CORRECTION, BUT A A AN INCREASED COST AND A DATE IN THE FUTURE, DURING THIS PERIOD, THEY'VE NOT HAD THOSE INCREASES IMPACT THEIR, THEIR PAYCHECKS.
THERE'S BEEN IMMEDIATE IMPACTS TO THEIR SIDE AS FAR AS NOT HAVING TO PAY THOSE 2% INCREASES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
AND THOSE WERE PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS EVEN WHEN WE
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DECIDED TO DO IT, THAT WE KNEW THAT IT WAS GONNA COME TO A PERIOD OF, UH, ANOTHER DECISION WAS GONNA HAVE TO BE MADE.UH, AND WAS IT GONNA BE AN IMPACT TO A, TO THE EMPLOYEE OR NOT? 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
ANYTHING ELSE? SO NOT ABOUT NO.
SO WE MOVE ON TO ONGOING PROJECTS.
THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ARE, UM, THEY'RE ONGOING AS IT SAYS.
UM, THEY'RE EITHER 50% OR THEY'RE IN THE DESIGN PHASES, BUT WE FEEL THAT WE CAN ENCUMBER THE COST BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT, WE ARE IN PHASE FOUR.
SO THE 525,000 HAD PAID FOR THE ASSESSMENT ITSELF THAT YOU ALL, UM, APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF 22.
IT PAID FOR, UH, LAST YEAR'S PHASE THREE.
AND THEN IT'S PAYING FOR THIS YEAR'S PHASE FOUR COVID EXPENSES.
UM, TO DATE, 17,900 HAVE BEEN SPENT TOWARDS COVID EXPENSES.
AND WHAT THESE ARE, ARE, UH, COSTS THAT CARE A TC AND CREWS BY TESTING, UM, EMPLOYEES AND FAMILIES FOR COVID AND OTHER ELIGIBLE COVID EXPENSES, UM, AT THROUGH THE CLINIC, ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
UM, THIS WOULD BE IMPROVEMENT ON OUR ENHANCING CURRENT CDBG PROGRAMMING.
UM, IT IS AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE.
THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION COMMITTEE MET LAST WEEK WITH THE NOTION THAT THEY HAD, UM, AN X AMOUNT OF FUNDS.
WHAT WOULD YOU PRIORITIZE? THEY CAME BACK WITH WEATHERIZATION OF HOMES AS WELL AS A RENTAL REHAB PROGRAM.
BOTH THAT WOULD HELP, UM, UH, RESIDENTS STAY IN THEIR HOME AND WORKING WITH CURRENT CDBG PROGRAMMING.
SO WHEN I SAY WEATHERIZATION, THAT'S REPLACING A HOT WATER TANK THAT'S REPLACING WINDOWS, UM, POTENTIALLY HVAC SYSTEM.
THEY DID PUT A LIMIT ON IT, UH, 15,000 PER RESIDENT OR PER HOUSEHOLD.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE RENTAL REHAB WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF 35,000 PER HOUSEHOLD WITH WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OF HAVING A MATCH.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE A, SIMILAR TO OUR CDBG PROGRAM, OTHER, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
MS. BATTERSON, YOU SAID POTENTIALLY HVAC? I'M SORRY, YOU SAID FOR AIR CONDITIONING? WELL, SO WE HAVE A $15,000 MAX IS WHAT THE, THE COMMITTEE SET.
SO SOME SYSTEMS, DEPENDING ON THE, THE SYSTEM AND THE NEED SOME WOULD REACH THAT 10,000, 15,000, UH, LIMIT.
SO IT'S KIND OF, WE WOULD TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS WE COULD IN, IN THAT 15,000.
IT COULD GO FROM THAT TO OUR REGULAR REHAB PROGRAM.
LIKE IF THEY NEEDED MORE THAN JUST WINDOWS REPLACEMENT, THEY NEEDED, UM, MORE REHABILITATION, WE WOULD MOVE THEM OVER INTO OUR OTHER OWNER OCCUPIED REHABS.
UM, WE ALSO, THIS COST ALSO INCLUDED OUR HOUSING ASSESSMENT THAT WE COMPLETED, THAT YOU ALL APPROVED LAST FALL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S 325,000, 125,000 OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT.
THE NORTH TIMBER TIMBERS CLINIC REMODEL, THERE'S TWO COLUMNS.
UM, WITH THAT, AND I SHOULD BACK UP AND LET YOU KNOW THAT THOSE BUCKETS THAT I TALKED ABOUT ARE THE CATEGORIES, SORRY, THE CATEGORIES THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
UM, WE DID DO A REVENUE REPLACEMENT.
AND WHAT THAT WAS IS THAT IF YOU DID HAVE AN ECONOMIC LOSS, A REVENUE LOSS DURING COVID, YOU COULD CLAIM THAT BENEFIT.
WE DID CHOOSE TO CLICK THE YES BUTTON OR CLAIM THAT.
SO AUTOMATICALLY $10 MILLION OF THAT IS CONSIDERED REVENUE RECOVERY OR ECO OR, UM, REVENUE REPLACEMENT.
HOWEVER, UM, I'VE TRIED TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE OF PUTTING IN SPECIFIC CATEGORIES SO THAT DOWN THE ROAD, UM, THEY FALL INTO THE CORRECT CATEGORIES, UM, IF AND WHEN, UH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD COME AND ASK.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THESE COLUMNS.
UH, THE SPECIFIED AMOUNTS UNDERNEATH THE COLUMNS.
UM, SO YOU HAVE TWO FOR THE ONGOING PROJECTS, ONE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED AND THAT IS THE SUPPORT PUBLIC HEALTH.
WE, BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE BUILDING A NEW CITY HALL, WE HAD TO RE, WE HAD TO MOVE OUR EMPLOYEE HEALTH CLINIC OUT TO THE NORTH TIMBERS AREA AND IT NEEDED A REMODEL TO BE ABLE TO HOUSE THAT CLINIC INSIDE NORTH TIMBERS.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT COST A LITTLE OVER 628.
UM, BECAUSE WE ARE FORWARD FACING AND CUSTOMER FRIENDLY.
UM, WE ARE DOING A REMODEL ON NORTH TIMBERS FOR UTILITY CUSTOMER SERVICE.
AND THERE'S SOME SECURITY PARAMETERS THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN PLACE.
THAT IS AN ONGOING PROJECT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE DESIGN IS COMPLETE AND THE BID IS SET TO GO OUT.
UM, AND SO THAT COST THERE IS FOR THAT DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER MATERIALS THEY MAY NEED.
EDMOND MOBILE MEALS IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, NOT ONLY JUST BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT WE HAVE A AGING POPULATION HERE IN EDMOND.
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NEED, UM, AND GROWING NEED FOR MO MEALS FOR THOSE SIM SENIORS AND HOME BOUND INDIVIDUALS.UM, RIGHT NOW, I, THE MOBILE MEALS WAS HOUSED AT A, A CITY FACILITY ON THIRD STREET.
WE HAVE TEMPORARILY MOVED THEM TO THE SENIOR CENTER.
UM, BUT THE BUILDING NEEDED TO BE EXPANDED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UM, EXPANSION OF THEIR PROGRAMMING AND THEIR CAPACITY.
THEY'VE NEVER PUT ANYBODY ON THEIR LIST IN THAT OR A LIST, A WAITING LIST.
AND SO WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH THEM.
UM, THIS 815,000, UH, A LITTLE OVER IS NOT ONLY THE DESIGN COST, BUT THAT'S OUR PORTION OF WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION WILL COST.
UM, EDMOND MOBILE MEALS IS PARTNERING WITH US ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME, UH, COUNTY ARPA MONEY AS WELL AS CDBG CARES MONEY THAT WE'RE USING TOWARDS THAT PROJECT.
THE DOWNTOWN A DA MAKE PLAN AND IMPROVEMENTS, A LITTLE OVER 2 MILLION.
UM, THIS IS AN UPDATED DESIGN THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE BACK IN 2020.
UM, THESE WILL BE RAMPS, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN OUR A DA TRANSITION PLAN.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE DESIGN IS BEING, UM, UPDATED AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS BEING UPDATED BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO BID, BUT WE'RE HIGHLY CONFIDENT THAT THIS WILL BE ENCUMBERED BY THE EN BY THE FALL OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN BECAUSE WE ARE EXPANDING EBB EDMOND MOBILE MEALS AT THE THIRD STREET BUILDING, UM, ANOTHER NONPROFIT THAT WAS HOUSED IN THAT FACILITY WAS UR SPECIAL, AND WE'VE AGREED TO HELP THEM RELOCATE TO THEIR NEW FACILITY THAT WILL BE THEIR NEW HOME FROM HERE ON OUT.
SO ALL OF THAT COMBINED WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY EXPENDED AND ONGOING PROJECTS, UM, IS A LITTLE OVER $10 MILLION.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATED AMOUNT OF 2.2 MILLION, WHICH WOULD BRING OUR TOTAL TO 12, A LITTLE OVER 12 MILLION.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? SO THEN AS FAR AS ORDER OF OPERATIONS, IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT UPON US TO KIND OF SIFT THROUGH SOME IDEAS AND THEN I WASN'T HERE THE LAST TIME THIS HAPPENED.
WHAT IT WOULD BE THE SORT OF PROPOSED PROCESS.
SO LIKE PROPOSE A PROJECT OR LOOKING AT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND SAYING, THIS CAN USE A LITTLE ASSISTANCE, WHATEVER.
WHAT, WHAT HAVE WE DONE IN THE PAST OR WHAT DO WE SEE GOING FUTURE AS FAR AS GET HITTING THE DEADLINE AND, AND HASHING THROUGH A PROJECT OR TWO? ALL OF THE ABOVE.
WE BASICALLY, WE, WE, WE GET THAT END DATE AND WE WORK OUR WAY BACKWARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S SOME PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT, IF EITHER THERE, SOME OF 'EM ARE SUGGESTIONS FROM STAFF, SOME OF 'EM WERE SUGGESTED FROM COUNSEL.
UM, WHAT, WHAT THAT PROJECT IS DEFINE IT, UH, IS WE HAVE TO DO THE, UH, THE TEST.
IS IT ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE TO, TO USE ON OUR UPPER FUNDS? BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME WE DID PUT SOME IN AND AFTER FURTHER REVIEW WE FOUND OUT THAT IT REALLY DIDN'T QUALIFY.
UH, AND THEN WE WORK OUR, WE WORK OUR WAY BACK TO THAT DATE SAID, HEY, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR, THIS IS WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, THE SUGGESTIONS IN THIS IS WHEN THE, THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE BY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT THOSE, THOSE DATES.
AND YES, WE'VE LOOKED AT THINGS THAT WERE ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO, UH, OTHER ITEMS. YEAH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK THE STRATEGIC PLAN HAS A GREAT 'CAUSE.
YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
I SAID OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AS I LOOK THROUGH THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THAT OBVIOUSLY HIGHLIGHTS THINGS THAT MERIT FUNDING OR DISCUSSION OR THINGS THAT COME TO MIND WOULD BE, UH, 'CAUSE IT WAS UNKNOWN TO US A YEAR OR SO AGO.
IT WOULD BE PELICAN BAY AND WHAT MAY COME THERE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE SOME FUNDS.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME TALK AT THE TENNIS CENTER AND SOME OTHER THINGS ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADE.
UM, BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON, ON IF AND HOW AND WHEN WE'RE, WE'LL KIND OF THROW OUT A COUPLE PROJECTS WITH STAFF AND THEN KINDA GET TO A RESOLUTION TO MAKE SURE WE HIT ALL OF OUR DEADLINES.
MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS, AS STAFF, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE CONSTANTLY VETTING IS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME POSSIBLE PROJECTS, BUT WE REALLY ONLY CAN DISCUSS IF WE REALLY THINK WE CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE COULD BE ABLE TO EXPEND THE DOLLARS BY A CERTAIN DATE.
SO IT'S HOW MUCH PROGRESS CAN WE MAKE ON, MAKE, ON EITHER DESIGN OR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT.
BUT AS THOSE COME FORWARD AND AS WE CAN VET 'EM AND SAY WE THINK IT'S REALISTIC, WE COULD PROBABLY OBLIGATE 'EM.
'CAUSE WE CAN THEN THINK WE CAN PROBABLY, WE'LL CALL IT, SPEND THE DOLLARS BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.
WE CAN BRING THOSE BACK AS WELL AS IF COUNSEL HAS, UH, SPECIFIC IDEAS ABOUT A PROJECT OR, AND OR OTHER PROJECTS.
UH, ON THE ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND THE AIR CONDITIONING
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ITEM YES, SIR.I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO HAVE TO SUFFER THROUGH A SUMMER WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING.
SO CAN MOST OF THOSE GET FIXED FOR 15? YES.
THE HVAC ITSELF, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO A FULL WEATHERIZATION, UM, I'VE TALKED WITH, UM, MR. FISHER WITH EDMOND ELECTRIC ON STARTING THIS PROGRAM AS WELL.
WE USED TO DO IT WITH THE CDBG PROGRAMMING AND WE ALREADY DO IT WITH OUR OWNER OCCUPIED.
UM, BUT TO DO, TO MAKE IT ENERGY EFFICIENT WHERE UTILITY COSTS ARE LOWER, UM, YOU WOULD NEED TO DO WINDOWS, HVAC, HOT WATER TANK INSULATION, AND THAT CAN, ON AVERAGE GO TO 20 TO 35,000 PER HOUSEHOLD.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TREAT IT AS WHAT'S THE BIGGEST PRIORITY AND OBVIOUSLY HEAT AND AIR WOULD BE, UM, AND, AND GET THAT DONE.
LIKE I SAID, IF THEY WOULD COME WHERE THEY NEEDED MORE THAN THAT 15,000 WOULD COVER, WE WOULD MOVE THEM OVER INTO, ON AN OCCUPIED REHAB OR RENTAL REHAB.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO A LOT WITH THE MONEY LEFT OVER.
THIS WOULD START IT AND THEN WE WOULD CREATE PROBABLY A WAITING LIST AND THEN AS WE RECEIVE MORE FUNDS, WE COULD HELP IN MORE INDIVIDUALS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO WANNA CAUTION ABOUT ON SOME THINGS IT HAS TO TIE BACK TO COVID.
SO AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THAT GENERAL REVENUE BUCKET OR CATEGORY, WE, WE STILL HAVE TO BE DILIGENT THAT IT FITS WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES AND IT TIES SOMETHING BACK TO COVID.
UM, THE REASON WHY WE'VE DONE SOME OF THE PARKS IS 'CAUSE IT WAS OUTSIDE.
UM, I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS ON ANYTHING INSIDE.
SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT, UM, AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE, WE REALLY NEED THAT STAKE IN THE GROUND OF WHEN DO WE NEED TO HAVE OUR PROJECTS LISTED.
BUT ALSO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, UH, FRAMEWORK THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF FITTING IN HERE INSIDE THESE RAILS INSTEAD OF OUTSIDE THE RAILS.
ANY INFORMATION LIKE THAT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
JUST ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT YOU, YOU DID SEE ON THE PROJECT HERE, WE HAD STEVENSON PARK AND SOME OF YOU'ALL MIGHT HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHAT THIS LITTLE PIECE OF LOG IS, BUT MM-HMM.
THAT WAS THE CATEGORY STEVENSON PARK RENOVATION.
AND WE WERE NOT, UM, WE WERE A FINALIST.
WE, WE DID NOT WIN, BUT WE STILL DID RECEIVE A PIECE OF HARDWARE, HARDWOOD OR HARDWOOD YES.
FOR THAT, UM, INITIATIVE THERE.
UH, THE CRE CREATIVE IDEAS THAT ARE, THAT WERE ACTUALLY PUT INTO THAT PART, WERE RECOGNIZED BY ULI.
[3. Presentation and discussion of sales tax funds from medical marijuana sales in Edmond. ]
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND, OKAY.I CAN MAKE SO MANY JOKES NOW, BUT I WON'T.
KATHY, HOW YOU DOING? I'M FINE.
HOW ARE YOU GUYS TODAY? GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
I'M KATHY PANIS, A DIRECTOR OF FINANCE.
AND, UM, SO I'M GOING TO UPDATE YOU ON OUR CURRENT STATUS OF OUR MEDICAL MARIJUANA SALES TAX COLLECTIONS.
UM, SO WE, OKAY, JANE, WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? SHOULD IT MOVE
SO IN APRIL OF 2023, THE COUNCIL ADOPTED RESOLUTION 1223.
AND BASICALLY IT, UH, SAYS TO THAT WE NEED TO DEVELOP A PROCESS TO IDENTIFY ALL SALES TAX REVENUE FROM THE SALES OF MARIJUANA AND RELATED PRODUCTS.
AND IT'S FROM DISPENSARIES 'CAUSE THERE'S A DISTINCTION OF OTHER TYPES OF SALES.
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WE ARE TO EARMARK, DESIGNATE AND SET ASIDE THIS RE REVENUE FOR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS IN EDMOND THAT POSITIVELY IMPACT THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF YOUTH AND ADULTS AS DIRECTED AND APPROVED BY THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL THROUGH ITS BUDGET PROCESS.SO WE ARE COMING UP ON OUR BUDGET PROCESS AND, UH, BUT BASICALLY WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, WE'VE DEVELOPED A WAY TO IDENTIFY EVERY MONTH WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING FROM OUR, UH, MARIJUANA SALES.
THERE'S JUST THE RESOLUTION IN CASE YOU NEED A COPY LATER.
AND, UM, SO FROM THE TIME, SO WE STARTED LOOKING BACK TO WHERE WE ACTUALLY PASSED THE RESOLUTION.
SO FROM MARCH OF 23 THROUGH DECEMBER OF 23, WHEN WE PUT THE SLIDES TOGETHER, WE DIDN'T, HAD, DIDN'T HAVE THE CURRENT MONTH YET, BUT 395,000 IS WHAT WE HAVE COLLECTED SINCE WE PASSED THE RESOLUTION.
THE AVERAGE MONTHLY COLLECTIONS ARE ABOUT 40,000.
THEY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM PROBABLY 32,000 UP TO MAYBE 46,000, BUT AVERAGE IS ABOUT 40,000 A MONTH.
AND, UM, SO WE ARE JUST USING THAT AS OUR ESTIMATE ABOUT $480,000 A YEAR IS WHAT WE THINK WE'LL COLLECT OFF OF THE MARIJUANA SALES TAX.
UM, IT IS PART OF THE TOTAL SALES TAX THAT WE BRING IN.
AND THIS RESOLUTION IS JUST LOCAL.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE.
UM, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, 66.8% OF IT DOES GET PAID DIRECTLY TO PUBLIC SAFETY AS PART OF OUR NEGOTIATED AGREEMENTS.
SO THE EFFECT ON THE GENERAL FUND IS 480,000.
THAT'S THE TOTAL THAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF GENERAL FUND IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
AND, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE THOSE PERCENTAGES, IT'S 36.8% TO POLICE AND UM, 30% TO FIRE, IT LEAVES $159,360 IN GENERAL FUND.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, AND WE'VE GOT A FUND ALREADY CREATED, BUT WE HAVEN'T MOVED ANYTHING INTO IT YET.
BUT FOR BUDGET PURPOSES, WE WILL MOVE IT INTO THAT FUND SO WE CAN SEE IT AND TRACK IT AND, AND THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW WHERE WE'VE SPENT THE FUNDS.
BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO FUND THAT SEPARATE MARIJUANA FUND WITH 159,000, UM, ALLOCATIONS FROM A SEPARATE FUND ARE TO BE USED FOR PROJECTS THAT POSITIVELY IMPACT THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF ADULTS.
SO THESE ALLOCATIONS, THIS 159,000 WILL BE FOR THAT PURPOSE, BUT IT'S DIRECTED BY COUNSEL.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND ALSO THAT WE WOULD JUST UTILIZE THIS AS PART OF OUR WHOLE CART PROCESS.
AND, UM, THERE ARE NONPROFITS ALREADY THAT WILL QUALIFY FOR THIS, BUT IT IS REALLY TRULY UP TO WHAT THE COUNCIL DESIGNATES AS BEING FOR THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF, UM, OF OUR CITIZENRY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OH, COUNCILMAN ROBIN ROBINS, YOU DID ASK ME.
HE ASKED ME TODAY HOW MANY DISPENSARIES WE HAVE AND WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 63 EVERY MONTH.
UM, SOME GO OUT OF BUSINESS AND WE GET SOME NEW ONES.
BUT THE PROCESS THAT WE USE IS WE USE THE, THE OKLAHOMA TAP SYSTEM, THE OKLAHOMA SALES TAX COMMISSION, AND UM, EXCUSE ME.
WE LITERALLY GO DOWN THROUGH ALL THOSE NS CODES EVERY, EVERY MONTH.
THERE'S LIKE FOUR OR FIVE OF 'EM THAT THE MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES SHOW UP IN.
AND WE DO LOOK FOR ALL THE NEW TAXPAYERS.
WE INVESTIGATE 'EM, LOOK 'EM UP ON THE INTERNET TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ACTUALLY DISPENSARIES.
AND, AND THAT'S HOW WE COMPILE OUR LIST EVERY MONTH.
BUT WE DO GO THROUGH IT EVERY MONTH.
ABOUT 63, DID YOU SAY? SO WE'RE AT ABOUT 63.
IS THAT A DROP OFF OF THE SORT OF EARLY LAND RUN, DO YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU MEAN LIKE, LIKE FIRST IM SENSE OF WHERE IT'S, WHERE, WHERE IT'S AT AND IF IT'S STABILIZED OR IF YOU SEE IT GOING DOWN OR SPIKING.
FOR SOME REASON WE DID NOT START OUR PROCESS UNTIL MARCH, SO WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHEN IT WAS FIRST LEGALIZED.
BUT, UM, I COULD SURE FIND OUT FOR YOU.
'CAUSE BOY, THERE WERE A LOT THERE AT THE BEGINNING, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY COME AND GO.
SO, AND IF THAT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW TOO, WE CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU EVERY MONTH HOW MANY WE HAVE.
THAT IS A QUESTION WE GET ASKED.
SO IF IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO COLLECT AS YOU'RE COLLECTING THE OTHER DATA, THAT WOULD BE NICE.
UH, I'VE GOT A, A REALLY GOOD EMPLOYEE THAT HAS BECOME VERY GOOD AT DATABASES AND YES, HE COULD GO BACK TO WHEN IT FIRST STARTED.
AND, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE LIKE EVERY MONTH OR A CHART OR A GRAPH OR, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE TREND.
AND MY GUT TELLS ME THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF IT IS THE WILD WEST AND WENT OUT THERE, RAISED SOME MONEY OR M OUT SOME CREDIT CARDS AND STARTED SOME
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BUSINESSES AND THEN AT SOME POINT IT'S, THE MARKET SORT OF HAS TO LEVEL ITSELF OUT.MY GENERAL SENSE IS PER POPULATION, WE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A, WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH.
SO I DID, IN MY MIND, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IF, IF WE'RE AT KIND OF A PLATEAU FOR A WHILE OR IF IT'LL DROP FOR A WHILE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, WE'LL PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR YOU AND CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
DO WE KNOW OF ANY OTHER CITY, OF ANY OF YOUR PEERS THAT ARE, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS PRETTY UNIQUE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN SEE THEIRS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LITERALLY LOOK AT THE INFORMATION'S ONLY AVAILABLE TO EDMOND.
WE CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY ELSE'S, UM, PROPRIETARY INFORMATION.
DOES THE COUNCILMAN, IS YOUR QUESTION MORE ABOUT, IS THERE ANY OTHER CITY THAT IS DOING KIND OF THIS ALLOCATION, THESE TYPE OF FUNDS? NO, I HAVEN'T CHECKED, BUT I CAN ASK AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY THAT'S UNIQUE.
I REMEMBER HEARING WHEN THIS WAS PASSED AND I WAS PRETTY EXCITED FOR THE THING.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT'S ON THE TABLE FOR US? IS THERE A PROPOSAL FOR IT TO GO INTO CLARK? WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE APPOINTMENTS TO, WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE AND WE COULD LOOK AT STUFF.
MY OTHER THOUGHT IS, I MEAN, JUST ONE THAT COMES TO MIND AS AN EXAMPLE IS SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T A VERY WELL VERSED IN AND GOT TO TOUR WITH.
COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE WAS LIKE, OUR COURTS, OUR MUNICIPAL COURT, WE HAVE THE NEW BUILDING, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY HAVE MORE SPACE.
AND I WAS TAKEN BACK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF YOUNG RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THAT SYSTEM.
UH, MAYBE THEY STOLE MAKEUP FOR THE FIRST TIME, OR VANDALIZED OR TRUMAN OR, YOU KNOW, VAPES, WHATEVER.
AND MY THOUGHT IS, MAN, DOES WE GET THAT NEW SPACE IN THERE? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SPECIFICALLY DO MAYBE PARTNERING WITH THE SCHOOL? SO IT'S A LITTLE LESS OF A REVOLVING DOOR OF SCHOOL DISCIPLINE, ART, MUNICIPAL COURT HOME ISSUES, MAYBE SOME DRUG THINGS GOING ON.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE IS DO WE SET A VISION FOR WHAT WE WANT TO DO AS A COUNCIL AND SAY WE HOPE TO HAVE THIS RESULT OR THIS IMPACT, AND THEN NONPROFITS BASICALLY COME TO CLARK AND SAY, THIS IS HOW WE WOULD SERVICE IT.
DO WE GO ANOTHER ROUTE AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT OUR CURRENT CAR RECIPIENTS ARE DOING AND WE WANNA SEE THAT EXPANDED? IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF DIRECTION THAT WE COULD USE AS CITY COUNCIL.
I, I DON'T HAVE A FOREGONE CONCLUSION.
I I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE DISCUSSION THOUGH.
WELL, IT'S A ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
IT IS A SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING SOURCE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA, MY, MY, MY IDEA IS NOT GOING TO PLUS UP, LIKE YOU SAY, SAY WE DECIDED TO PUT INTO THE CART PROCESS AND THE CART PROCESS IS, UH, $1 MILLION.
IT'S, THIS IS NOT GONNA TAKE IT UP TO $1,000,159 MILLION.
IT'S, IT IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THAT $1 MILLION.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY QUESTION.
UM, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AS THE WAY THE MAYOR STATED IT.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SUPPLEMENTING THEY'D BE ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT KARK WOULD HAVE AT ITS DISPOSAL.
THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S NOT THE WAY I, I ENVISION IT IN MY MIND BECAUSE WE ALREADY, WE, WE, DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE, THE LIMITING WHAT, HOWEVER, HOW THAT CAP IS GOING TO BE.
IS IT GONNA BE A PERCENTAGE OR IS IT GONNA BE A, A, UM, A A FIXED AMOUNT.
AND, UM, KNOWING RIGHT NOW THIS, THIS NUMBER IS GONNA BE 159 POSSIBLY FOR, FOR THESE BUDGETS, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA BE IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS.
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO EBB AND FLOW.
AND SO IF IT, IF WE SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO SUPPLEMENT THAT AS A HARD NUMBER, THAT MEANS THAT IF IT, IF THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA RECEIPTS DON'T EQUATE TO THAT, WE'RE GONNA PULL THAT MONEY OUTTA GENERAL.
SEE, I WAS THINKING WHATEVER THOSE RECEIPTS WERE WOULD BE ADDED TO THE POT OF MONEY THAT CARC HAS TO ALLOCATE.
IT'D BE WHATEVER THOSE RECEIPTS ARE, THAT PERCENTAGE THAT'S NOT GOING TO PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD GO TO KARK AND THEY WOULD HAVE ANOTHER, WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS TO ALLOCATE.
I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION.
MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, WAS THAT IT WOULD SUB, IT WOULD BE A SOURCE.
SO INSTEAD OF EVERYTHING COMING FROM GENERAL FUND, IT WOULD ALSO COME FROM THIS FUND.
BUT CERTAINLY YOU GUYS CAN, AND THAT IT WOULD NOT INCREASE WHAT THEY HAD AVAILABLE ABLE TO THEM, SO RIGHT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A, THOSE ARE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM AREN'T DEFINED REALLY, LIKE EXACTLY HOW WE ARE GOING TO FUND CART GOING FORWARD.
IS IT GONNA BE A FLAT AMOUNT OR A PERCENT OF, YOU KNOW, THE PRIOR YEAR'S TASK? WELL, WE DECIDED THAT, WELL, WE, WE DECIDE, THE COUNCIL DECIDE THAT IT'S UP TO
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3%.AND THEN EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO, THE COUNCIL THEN HAS TO DECIDE IS IT 3% OR IS IT 2.5 OR WHAT IT MAY BE BASED ON, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE BUDGET MAY BE FOR THAT YEAR.
THE NEEDS WOULD BE, I THINK THE DISCUSSION, THE, WHERE THE STAFF WAS LOOKING AT IS, LET'S, LET'S SAY IT'S A 3% NUMBER ON THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
IS, IS SO MUCH COMING OUTTA GENERAL FUND PLUS WHATEVER THE SOURCE IS FOR THIS YEAR OF MIRACLE MARIJUANA TO TOTAL THE 3%, NOT 3% PLUS AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT.
THAT WAS, THAT'S THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND SEE IF THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.
I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING BACK TO THE, I GUESS, PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE RESOLUTION AND WANT TO HONOR THAT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING DOES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.
YEAH, I, I FULLY, UH, I CAN TELL YOU, I'M JUST, WHEN I LOOK FORWARD TO THE UPCOMING BUDGET, YEAH.
UH, LOOKING AT OUR, UH, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE WE BROUGHT IN HAS BEEN, IT'S GOING DOWN.
AND I, IN MY MIND IS NOT LOOKING AT PLUSING UP ANYBODY TRYING TO KEEP EVERYONE FLAT.
UM, AND WITH, IN MY, MY MIND SAYS THAT THIS IS A SUPPLEMENTAL THAT WE CAN USE THIS MONEY, UH, KEEP MONEY BACK IN THE, IN THE GENERAL FUND AS WE GO ON, UH, AND LOOK AT OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR.
UM, BECAUSE THIS NUMBER HERE FOR CART, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEED OUT THERE, BUT, UH, TO ME THERE HAS TO BE A POINT RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
I THINK I REMEMBER WATCHING THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN Y'ALL WERE DEBATING IT.
I WASN'T ON IT, OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL WHEN PETERSON ISN'T HERE, BUT Y'ALL REMEMBER, I THINK JOSH INTRODUCED IT.
DO YOU REMEMBER HAVING AN INTENT OF WANTING IT TO BE IN ADDITION TO, CAN YOU REMEMBER THOSE DISCUSSIONS? WELL, I THINK THE INTENT WAS THAT THESE SPECIFIC FUNDS WOULD GO TO THAT PURPOSE.
SO IT WASN'T CONTEMPLATED THAT THEY WOULD BE PART OF THE CAR PROCESS.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK THERE WAS INTENTIONALLY FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN THERE, BUT THE IDEA I THINK WAS THAT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS ADDITIONAL SALES TAX REVENUE GENERATED BY THIS PARTICULAR MEDICAL MARIJUANA BUSINESS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST GOING IN THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT PER THIS RESOLUTION, IT WAS TO CARVE IT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S EARMARKED FOR THESE THINGS.
SO DO I JUST, I, I MEAN THIS IS NOT WHAT I, WHEN WHEN I READ THIS, I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO I'M TRYING TO KIND OF PROCESS THAT IN RELATION TO THE RESOLUTION AND CONSIDERING ALL THE THINGS.
SO I, ONE THING YOU MIGHT CONSIDER IS, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I THINK 'CAUSE IT'S A, IT WAS A NEW SOURCE OF, OF SALES TAX.
UM, WHEN WE DO CALCULATE THAT LIMIT THOUGH, FOR KA, IT'S ALREADY IN THERE.
SO JUST FYI, BECAUSE IT'S, WE COLLECT IT, YOU KNOW, JUST IT.
BUT I THINK TAKING KARK OUT OF THE MIX, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EVEN CONTEMPLATED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED, WE DIDN'T HAVE A SPOT WHEN THE RESOLUTION, BUT WE SAID WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FOR MENTAL HEALTH.
SO, AND, AND, UM, WELL JUST IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FORMER, IT WAS, IT COULD BE THAT, IT COULD BE SOCIAL SERVICES, IT COULD BE YOUTH PROGRAMS AND PARKS AND RECS.
IT WAS PRETTY BROAD IN HIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IT COULD BE, WHAT HIS VISION WAS.
IT COULD BE FOR, I THINK TO, TO KATHY'S POINT, THE STAFF'S CHALLENGES IS, LET'S SAY YOU SAID CLARK UP TO 3%, WE FUND THAT AT 3% TO PLUS IT UP SOMEWHAT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE THAT FUNDING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHIN THE BUDGET.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S MONEY THAT'S BEEN IN THE, SO IT BECAME LEGAL, I GUESS.
BUT YEAH, BUT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN USING IT.
WE HAVE BEEN USING IT FOR OTHER PURPOSES, BUT THE RESOLUTION WAS TO SPECIFICALLY MAKE SURE THAT IT WENT TO THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS.
SO I, I JUST, I NEED TO WORK THROUGH THIS.
SO I MEAN, I WANNA, I WANNA HONOR THE INTENT.
IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING SOCIAL EXPERIMENT THAT
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THE CITIZENS OF THE ENTIRE STATE OF OKLAHOMA DECIDED TO KICK OFF OF, WHICH I THINK SOME WERE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT CAUGHT OFF GUARD AS TO ITS FULL IMPACT OR IMPLEMENTATION IN REGARDS TO HOW IT WOULD APPEAR OR FEEL IN A COMMUNITY.AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, IT IS A NEW SOURCE OF REVENUE.
IT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK BACK 10 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE 60 SOME DISPENSARIES OF A, A VARIETY THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, ENTICING USE OF PRODUCTS AMONG ALL TYPES OF DEMOGRAPHICS AND AND AGE GROUPS.
SO I LIKE THE IDEA OF SEGREGATING IT OUT, UM, WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED AND, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED THOUSAND CHANGE AND FIGURING OUT IS THERE A SPECIFIC BENEFIT, JUST AS IF WE WERE HAVING A CASINO MOVE INTO TOWN THAT WOULD CREATE SOME ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.
WE'D HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS A MENTAL HEALTH IMPACT TO THAT OR SOME NEEDS THAT WOULD BE CAUSED BY THAT.
I, I FEEL LIKE MEDICAL MARIJUANA'S IS THE SAME, WHERE SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD ENGAGE IN, IT'S FINE, IT'S BENEFICIAL IN SOME REGARDS, BUT TO OTHER PEOPLE IT, IT CREATES SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES.
AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THAT? UM, SO I, I'D BE OPEN TO, I WANNA HONOR THE INTENT.
SO OF THOSE THAT DID THAT, AND THEN TRY TO FIGURE OUT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S TWO ROUTES.
ONE WE COULD SAY TO OUR NONPROFIT FUNDS WHO ARE ALREADY IN CAR, HEY, WHAT ARE WE DOING THAT WE COULD MULTIPLY THESE EFFORTS, ANOTHER ONE AS CITY COUNCIL, WE COULD JUST ON OUR OWN SAY WE WANT TO HELP.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT, NOT ANYTHING THAT I'M SPECIFICALLY SAYING, BUT LIKE JUVENILE, UH, DETENTION OF, OF PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE YOUNG PERSONS THAT ARE CAUGHT WITH, UH, THC VAPES OR OTHER THINGS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A FOCUSED OUTREACH TO THEM, UM, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT WE COULD ULTIMATELY, I GUESS IT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE.
IT'S UP TO THIS CURRENT COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS IS, IT'S EITHER, DO WE JUST SHIFT IT FROM ONE BUDGET ACCOUNT TO THE OTHER, OR ARE WE GONNA LOOK AT IT AS A PLUS UP TO AN ACCOUNT? IF WE LOOK AT IT AS A PLUS UP TO THE ACCOUNT, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IT UP OR CUT SOMETHING IN THE GENERAL FUND.
AND SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR NOT CUTTING ANYTHING.
I DON'T WANT TO CUT SOMETHING IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE NEED FOR SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO PLUS UP SOMETHING LIKE WHATEVER WE'RE DOING FOR MENTAL HEALTH RIGHT, RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S JUST, UM, BUDGETARY CONCERNS THAT I HAVE ABOUT THE, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN IS, IS NOT AS, UM, HIGH AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE, IN THE PAST.
AND WITH THE COST OF THINGS GOING UP, UM, THAT NUMBER, THAT GAP IS, IS SMALLER.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING FOR THIS.
UH, AND THE THING IS, IS WITH THIS, IT'S, IT'S CHANGEABLE.
IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LOCKED IN STONE, BUT, UH, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.
I'D LOST COUNCILMAN ROBINS ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THAT
AM I WRONG? IT WAS A LITTLE BROADER THAN THAT.
MENTAL HEALTH, BUT HEAVY HEALTH.
WELL, IF YOU READ IT, UH, KATIE, CAN YOU GET THIS PRINT BIGGER NEXT TIME, PLEASE? UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? COMMUNITY PROGRAMS, PROJECTS, ADMIN POSITIVELY IMPACT THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF YOUTH AND ADULTS AS DIRECTED AND APPROVED BY THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL.
SO, I MEAN, I REMEMBER THE DEBATE AND I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
SO I GUESS WE, DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER CHAT ABOUT THAT? YEAH.
BUT IF THERE'S A QUESTION ON WHAT, JUST AS A DEFINER, WHAT CARP DOES SUPPORTS MENTAL HEALTH.
I MEAN, MENTAL HEALTH OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HAS SO MANY DIFFERENT, WELL, WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE A RESOLUTION IF THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING? JUST TO BE BLUNT.
SO I, I, YEAH, I THINK THIS WARRANTS SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION.
AND, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I LIKE WHAT'S PROPOSED, SO I NEED TO THINK THROUGH IT.
IT'S NOT WHAT I THOUGHT WAS BEING PROPOSED.
AND SO NOW I NEED TO PROCESS THAT.
SO I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW, DO WE? THAT'S, I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA COME BEFORE US, OUR PART OF OUR BUDGET, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS PART OF THE BUDGET, SO, MM-HMM.
AND WE'LL HAVE IT SEPARATED IN THIS FUND.
IT'LL BE JUST SITTING THERE WAITING FOR YOU GUYS
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EAGERLY AWAITING FOR ITS ALLOCATION YES.SO, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE QUESTION IS, IS IT A PLUS UP OR IS IT, AND THEN WHAT'S THE INTENT? IF IT IS, IF IT'S NOT? WELL, THE, THE, LET ME BE CLEAR.
IT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS IT TO BE.
I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS COUNCIL THAT PUT THIS ORDINANCE OR THIS RESOLUTION IN PLACE.
AND IF THERE'S EVERYONE'S, IF THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS, AND I, I AM FULLY OPEN TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND WE'LL HAVE 'EM DURING THE BUDGET HEARING.
BUT I WAS JUST USING THIS OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO TELL YOU THAT I WAS NOT LOOKING AT IT AS A PLUS UP AND TWO, WHATEVER ORGANIZATION.
UH, AS I STARTED LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND HEARING SOME OF OUR NUMBERS OVER THE, OVER THE YEAR, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
WELL, WE'LL GET IT IN A BUDGET FUND FOR YOU.
AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? NOT RIGHT NOW.
[4. Presentation and discussion of public Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Station rates. ]
MAYOR.GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
GLEN FISHER, DIRECTOR OF EDMOND ELECTRIC HERE TO TALK ABOUT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION FEES.
UH, WE STARTED UP THE EV CHARGING PROGRAM BACK IN 2017 WITH THE GRANT, WITH THE ASSOCIATION OF, UH, OKLAHOMA'S COUNCIL OF THE GOVERNMENTS, UH, ACOG.
AND WE ACTUALLY, WE PARTNERED WITH HILTON GARDEN INN.
THEY WERE INTERESTED WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THEIR HOTEL, UH, PUTTING IN AN EV CHARGING STATION.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT.
WE FOUND OUT THROUGH, UH, ACOG THAT THEY HAD GRANTS AVAILABLE.
WE PARTNERED WITH THE HILTON GARDEN IN AND HAD A, A STATION PUT OUT THERE.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE PUT IN AN ADDITIONAL 10 STATIONS.
NINE OF 'EM ARE LEVEL TWO STATIONS.
LEVEL TWO CAN CHARGE BASICALLY FROM ZERO TO 80%, A HUNDRED PERCENT IN ABOUT FOUR TO SIX HOURS LEVEL.
WE GOT ONE LEVEL THREE AT FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE.
THOSE ARE FAST CHARGE STATIONS.
THEY CAN CHARGE FROM ZERO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES.
UH, SO SINCE THAT TIME, WE PUT IN THOSE 10 STATIONS, AND INITIALLY, WHENEVER WE INSTALLED, STARTED INSTALLING THESE STATIONS.
CITY COUNCIL, PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL MADE A DECISION THAT TO PROMOTE EVS AND TO PROMOTE THESE CHARGING STATIONS, WE WOULD NOT CHARGE A V FORM.
WELL, USAGE HAS GONE UP, UH, SINCE THAT TIME.
AND SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT OUR OVERALL USE ON ALL THE DIFFERENT CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE CITY.
AND SO WE DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO START LOOKING AT WHETHER WE CHARGE A FEE OR NOT.
SO WE HAD TO MAKE VARIOUS ASSUMPTIONS AS FAR AS THE CHARGING STATIONS GO.
UM, AVERAGE LIFE OF THESE IS 10 YEARS.
UM, THAT'S BASICALLY INDUSTRY STANDARD.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO RECOVER THE COST OF THE CHARGING STATION OVER THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD.
AND ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL.
WE ASSUME THAT, UH, UTILIZATION FACTOR WAS ABOUT 30% ON THE STATIONS, WHICH IS PRETTY NORMAL FOR NATIONWIDE.
UH, IF YOU NOTICE ON THE LAST SLIDE, THEY VARY QUITE, UH, DRAMATICALLY BASED UPON THE LOCATION.
AND AT OUR ENERGY PRICE IS 6 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR, AND THAT'S PRETTY AVERAGE FOR OUR WHOLESALE POWER PRICE.
SO BASED ON THAT 10 YEAR, UH, NEED, WE LOOKED AT, UM, 25 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR FOR THE LEVEL TWOS AND 32 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR FOR THE LEVEL THREES.
I WANT TO POINT OUT ON THE LEVEL THREE STATE LAW, UM, THAT CAME INTO EFFECT.
NOVEMBER 1ST, 2023 REQUIRES US TO COLLECT A 3 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR TAX.
THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS RATE.
IT WOULD BE PROGRAMMED INTO THE CHARGING STATION AND COLLECTED AND REMITTED TO THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA IF THESE ARE ADOPTED.
AND THAT'S ONLY FOR THE LEVEL THREE STATION, THE ONE STATION AT FARMER'S MARKET.
UM, SO BASED UPON THAT, I THREW TOGETHER A LIST OF TYPICAL VEHICLES, UM, AND HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO CHARGE AT THE DIFFERENT RATES.
UM, YOU'LL SEE IT, IT VARIES QUITE DRAMATICALLY.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ON A CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR OR CENTS PER MILE BASIS, IT VARIES FROM 5.80 CENTS TO ABOUT 13 CENTS FOR THE LEVEL TWO STATIONS.
AND ABOUT 7 CENTS TO 16 CENTS, I BELIEVE FOR THE, UH, LEVEL THREE, BY COMPARISON, I DRIVE A HYBRID AND I DRIVE A PICKUP.
MY HYBRID AT TWO 50 CENT GAS COST ME ABOUT 7 CENTS PER MILE TO DRIVE MY PICKUP NOT NEAR AS GOOD.
SO THIS FITS IN WITH THE AVERAGE PRICE OF GAS.
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FLUCTUATE.ELECTRICITY PRICE PRICES FLUCTUATES.
WE WILL REVIEW THIS ANNUALLY DURING A BUDGET PROCESS.
SO IF YOU APPROVE THESE TODAY, WE WILL LOOK AT THESE EVERY YEAR.
UH, PROCESS WOULD BE WE'D COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A CHANGE IN THE RATE IF NEEDED, IF WE FELT THAT THAT WAS NEEDED.
UM, SO WE, THAT'S WOULD BE THE PROCESS FOR CHANGE.
UH, WE'LL ALSO WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH ACOG ON DIFFERENT PARTNERSHIPS, WHETHER IT'S, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THESE STATIONS, WE'RE LOOKING, LOOKING AT CITY FACILITIES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CITY CENTER COMPLEX, THE YMCA LIBRARY PROJECT, UM, OTHER CITY PARKS, CITY FACILITIES, LIKE THE SPLASH PADS.
AND THEN WE'VE LOOKING AT SOME PUBLIC PARTNER, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AS WELL.
SO WE WANT TO KEEP THESE MOVING FORWARD, KEEP EXPANDING OUR NETWORK ACROSS THE CITY AND, UH, CONTINUE WORKING WITH ACOG TO GET ADDITIONAL GRANT MONEY FOR THESE.
ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO THE PROPOSED RATES, THE CITY IS NOT LOSING ANY MONEY.
WE ARE RECOUPING OUR EXPENSE FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE CHARGING STATIONS AND THEN THE COST, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN SOME, OR JUST, I, I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S BEST TO BE, IT'S GONNA VARY ON THE UTILIZATION.
IF THE UTILIZATION IS HIGHER THAN THAT 30% THRESHOLD THAT I USED TO CALCULATE, YES, WE'RE GONNA GET SOME ADDITIONAL.
IF IT'S UNDER, WE'RE NOT COLLECTING ENOUGH.
SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE ONLY GOT 10 STATIONS, SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO LOOK AT 'EM AND SAY, YES, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE USED THIS AMOUNT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE, SOME OF 'EM HAVE NOT BEEN IN PLACE UTILIZ.
SO I'M WONDERING, LIKE IN OKLAHOMA CITY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES, IS THERE A CHARGE, UM, TO USE THE CHARGING STATIONS THERE? I MEAN, HOW DO WE COMPARE? IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE ENTITY THAT PUT 'EM IN.
LIKE FRANCIS SOLAR HAS PUT SOME IN AROUND TOWN.
THEY DO CHARGE FRANCIS WHAT? FRANCIS SOLAR.
THEY HAVE INSTALLED SOME LIKE, UH, IN FRONT OF TARGET OVER BY CREST.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHERE ELSE THEY HAVE SOME, I KNOW THEY HAVE 'EM AROUND OKLAHOMA CITY AS WELL 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN GETTING SOME OF THE ACOG GRANTS AS WELL.
UM, SO THEY DO CHARGE FOR THOSE.
UM, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF YOUR, UM, YOUR ON QUEUES AND, AND SEVEN ELEVENS ARE LOOKING AT CHARGING STATIONS AS WELL.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE ONE I BELIEVE ON WATERLOO HAS AN ELECTRIC CHARGING STATION, SO THEY CHARGE FOR 'EM AS WELL.
SO THE ACOG MONEY THAT WE'VE GOT, IS THAT INCORPORATED INTO OUR COST OR NOT? HOW DO, DO YOU AS FAR AS, SO I GUESS WHAT I, IT'S AN 80 20, IT'S AN 80 20 MATCH ON THE OKAY.
I GUESS WHAT I'M AM, I MEAN, I'M NOT REALLY SEEING THE RELEVANCE OF COMPARING TO WHAT IT COSTS TO PUT GAS IN YOUR CAR, BUT I ALSO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING SOMETHING AWAY FOR FREE THAT COSTS THE CITY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE RECOUPING OUR COSTS.
SO I GUESS THIS, THAT ANALYSIS WASN'T REALLY, UH, YEAH, I DON'T, I INCLUDED THAT JUST FOR COMPARISON.
SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE COST TO THEIR CUSTOMERS WOULD BE.
WE DO RECOVER OUR COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE INSTALLATION, UH, PURCHASE, INSTALLATION AND OPERATION OF THOSE STATIONS OVER THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD.
I MEAN, I WANNA DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING THINGS THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE PLANET, UM, AND ALSO WONDERING WHAT OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ARE DOING.
SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO TAKE THIS ALL IN.
'CAUSE THIS IS DEFINITELY A BIG CHANGE.
IT'S BEEN FREE FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND NOW IT'S GONNA COST THEM, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEWHERE 25 ANYWHERE FROM I GUESS 19 TO $34 TO CHARGE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND SO MAYBE OUR UTILIZATION WILL GO DOWN AS WELL.
THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE AT HOME OR GO SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S FREE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN REEVALUATE THIS YEAH.
AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT WE WANT TO DO GOING FORWARD.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, THEY HAVE A MIXTURE OF FREE CHARGING STATIONS AND, AND PAYAS, YOU GO CHARGING STATIONS.
I WANNA LOOK BACK AT FIELD HERE FOR A SECOND.
ARE YOU AWARE WHERE THE COMMUNITIES TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE ACOG GRANTS? YEAH, OKLAHOMA CITY
THEY HAD, I, I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN THE MOST AGGRESSIVE AS FAR AS THE ACOG GRANTS.
AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AS FAR AS CHARGES GO.
I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ARE DOING WITH RESPECT TO CHARGING OR NOT CHARGING OR WHAT KIND OF RATES.
I MEAN, AND AT THE SAME TIME, I MEAN, I GUESS IF THEY GET A BETTER DEAL CHARGING SOMEWHERE ELSE, COOL.
JUST LIKE, UH, SHOPPING FOR GAS SOMETIMES,
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BUT ALSO, UM, I MEAN IT IS A BIG, A BIT OF A CHANGE OF PERSPECTIVE IN WHERE WE'VE BEEN PREVIOUSLY.I MEAN, SORT OF PHILOSOPHY, THIS IS KIND OF A SWITCH.
AND SO I THINK WE'VE GOTTA KINDA LOOK AT ALL THE FACTS, BUT WE DECIDED HOWEVER MANY COUNCILS WILL GO TO WORK WITH ACOG TO HELP PROBABLY NOT PROMOTE EV THE IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION OF EV VEHICLES IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THAT'S HELPED US MAKE OUR DECISION BACK THEN.
UM, SO DID THE ACOG GRANTS, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A, A, A ASPECT OF THAT WHERE WE NEED TO BE PROVIDING IT FOR FREE OR NO, NO, NO.
THIS ISN'T DRIVEN BY ACOG, AC RANCH.
WE, THE CITY DIDN'T MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT THIS WOULD GO ON FOREVER AS A FREE PRODUCT.
A FREE I NO, THAT WAS JUST THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL DECISION.
JUST BASICALLY AT THAT TIME THEY SAID, WELL, WE'LL DO IT FOR FREE NOW.
AT WHAT POINT WE WANT TO MAKE THE DECISION TO START CHARGING AT THAT POINT.
YOU THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT THAT? IF YOU, I'LL BACK UP HERE, A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE.
IF YOU RUN THESE NUMBERS ON THESE RATES, THE RATES, I'M PROPOSING THE UTILIZATION NUMBERS HERE, THAT'S ABOUT $25,000 IN REVENUE COMPARED TO $110 MILLION BUDGET.
TO GIVE YOU A COMPARISON, A LOT OF OUR IN KIND STUFF THAT WE DO IS ABOUT $25,000 A YEAR.
WHAT KIND OF IN KIND STUFF WE DO A LOT OF IN KIND FOR ARTS FEST AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, TO PROMOTE THOSE.
SO PROVIDING FREE ELECTRICITY, FREE ELECTRICITY TO LIKE DIFFERENT EVENTS AND THINGS.
SO IT'S JUST, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, YEAH.
IT'S, IT'S, DO YOU, YOU KNOW, THE FREE DOES HELP PROMOTE EVS, IT DOES HELP PROMOTE THE, YOU KNOW, THE NETWORK.
UH, WE DO SIT ON, UM, ONE OF THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S ALTERNATIVE ENERGY CORRIDORS BECAUSE OF I 35.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE DECISION BACK THEN WITH COUNSEL.
SO IT'S, TO ME IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TRADE OFF.
DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROMOTE 'EM AND PROVIDE FOR FREE? 'CAUSE THEY DO SHOW UP ON CHARGEPOINT SITES AND OTHER EV CHARGING APPS THAT THEY ARE FREE STATIONS? OR DO WE WANT TO START CHARGING FOR 'EM? I THINK SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IS, RIGHT NOW, MY GUESS IS WE HAVE A SMALL BUT VERY ENGAGED COMMUNITY AROUND THAT TYPE OF FUELING OPTION AND CHOICE.
THE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE CHALLENGE WILL BE AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SWITCH.
THE QUESTION IS, DO WE DO IT? NOW WE'RE AT A SMALLER BUT GROWING NUMBER AT SOME POINT THAT GETS SO LARGE THAT PEOPLE, PEOPLE SAY, GOOD, WAIT A SECOND, YOU JUST FLIP THE PATHY BOARD ON ME AND I'M 10 TURNS IN.
THE PAIN IS GREATER THE LONGER YOU WAIT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAKE ECONOMIC DECISIONS, UH, ABOUT CARS AND WHAT THEY NEED.
UM, PART OF IT RIGHT NOW IS A CALCULATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA GET A FEDERAL TAX REBATE OR CREDIT OR DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IS SAYING, WELL, I KNOW I CAN CHARGE FOR FREE MOST OF THE TIME HERE.
AT SOME POINT THAT'LL BE UNSUSTAINABLE.
I KNOW IT'S A VERY, UM, SMALL PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
BUT AGAIN, TO THAT SCALE POINT, RIGHT? SO WHEN SOMEBODY FUELS WITH A TRADITIONAL FUEL, THEIR VEHICLE GASOLINE, THAT PENNY JAR, THAT TAX, SOME GOES TO THE FED, SOME GOES TO THE STATE, SOME COMES BACK TO THE CITY.
AS WE'VE SET THIS LEVEL COST, DO WE HAVE A PENNY JAR? EVEN THOUGH IT'LL BE VERY, VERY SMALL.
THAT TAKES A PROPORTIONATE THAT SAYS THIS WILL GO TO, SAY PAVING HERE, ROAD AND
WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IS, WELL, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY WAS SETTING THAT ASIDE FOR REPLACING CHARGING STATIONS IN THE FUTURE, JUST INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT DOWN THE ROAD.
SO AS, AS WE GATHER THAT MONEY FROM THE CHARGING STATIONS, WE WOULD SET IN IN A POT AND BASICALLY USE THAT TO REPLACE.
SO, AND THIS, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, YOU SAID THERE'S SORT OF A NETWORK.
UM, AND SO, I MEAN, IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TOURISM, LIKE PEOPLE WHO WILL PULL OFF OF I 35 AND COME INTO EDMOND AND USE THE FREE CHARGING AND EAT AT SUCH AND SUCH? OR IS THAT JUST LIKE SO MINUSCULE IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH CONSIDERING? THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE
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OF THE, WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT LOCATIONS, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.WHERE DO WE WANT TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO? IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONES THAT WE HAD UP THERE, UH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF 'EM IN MITCH PARK.
WE'VE GOT SOME BY THE RAIL YARD, UH, FIFTH AND BROADWAY CITY FIRST.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM DOWNTOWN.
AND THE REASON IS THAT BRINGS PEOPLE IN.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHARGING FOR 30 MINUTES OR TWO HOURS, YEAH.
YOU GOTTA DO SO SOMETHING, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING IT AS A LET'S GO OUT THERE AND SPEND SOME MONEY WHILE YOU'RE WALKING AROUND WAITING.
AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOURISM, IT DEPENDS ON HOW FAR THEY'RE COMING.
IF IT'S JUST COMING FROM OKLAHOMA CITY TO HERE OR FROM STILLWATER OR GUTHRIE.
BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EV CARS ARE COMING FROM KANSAS.
I DON'T KNOW, BASED ON THEIR, THEIR MILEAGE THAT THEY CAN GET ON A, THAT IS ONE THING THEY DO.
YOU IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE MORE PLANNING ON A TRIP.
SO YOU DO SEE PEOPLE USING THE APPS TO SAY, THERE'S A CHARGING STATION HERE, A CHARGING STATION THERE, A CHARGING STATION THERE.
AND THEY WILL PLAN OUT THEIR TRIP ACCORDINGLY.
SO WHAT WOULD THE REVENUE BE USED FOR IF WE USE THOSE CALENDAR YEAR 2023, UM, USAGE FIGURES AND THE RATES THAT I PROPOSED, IT WOULD BE 25, A LITTLE OVER $25,000.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE REVENUE THAT WOULD BE PUT IN A POT TO USE FOR FUTURE REPLACEMENT OF EV STATIONS AS THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED AND UPGRADED? WHICH IS A COST THAT WILL BE COMING.
BUT IF WE START PLANNING FOR IT NOW, YEAH.
UH, THE, IF THERE'S JUST A SMALLER GROUP OF USE THAT ARE USERS NOW AND THE NORM IN THE FUTURE IS PROBABLY GONNA BE EVERYONE'S PAYING.
UH, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING ALSO TO, TO HELP IN CONSIDERATION.
BUT IF THAT'S 25,000 PROJECTED FOR THIS YEAR, THAT COULD BE 200,005 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO WHERE'S THAT 200,000 GO? PROBABLY THE SAME PLACE.
'CAUSE THAT MEANS YOU HAVE A MUCH BIGGER NETWORK OF EV CHARGING STATIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO PLAN TO REPLACE.
AND THEY LAST 10 YEARS ON AVERAGE.
WELL THIS IS, THAT'S JUST FOR THOSE 10 STATIONS.
WELL, AND THERE'S, SO IF WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND, WE'D NEED TO LOOK AT, OKAY, WE'VE GOT MORE STATIONS OUT THERE THAN WE NEED TO REPLACE EVENTUALLY.
AND THERE IS A TRUE COST TO THE ELECTRIC, THE ELECTRICITY, RIGHT.
AND SO, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK PART OF THAT REVENUE IS GOING INTO THE BUCKETS SO THAT MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO RATE INCREASES, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, WE'D HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
THE QUESTION WOULD BE IF AND HOW LIKE A MUNICIPALITY LIKE OURS, IF AND WHEN WE'D GET INTO MORE OF THE FUELING GAME VERSUS A SEVEN 11 OR AN ON QUEUE, I MEAN, THAT'S A POLICY KIND OF DECISION AS FAR AS DO THEY JUST DO THAT OR DOES WALMART GET INTO IT BECAUSE THEIR PEOPLE ARE TARGET 'CAUSE THEIR PEOPLE ARE IN THERE SHOPPING.
THE OTHER PART THAT I'VE SEEN INCREASE A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT IS YOU'RE GETTING MORE OF, UM, AT HOME OVERNIGHT LOWER CHARGING.
AND SO PEOPLE MIGHT END UP BEING A CUSTOMER OF EDMOND ELECTRIC BECAUSE AT NIGHT THEY COME HOME, THEY PLUG THEIR VEHICLE IN, THAT THEY WANT A TOTAL OF 30 MILES IN THAT DAY AND IT TAKES CARE OF 90% OF THEIR SORT OF FUEL NEEDS.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'LL BE A CONSIDERATION THAT SOMEBODY MAKES AS WELL.
I THINK DOING SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING IN REGARDS TO WE START GETTING A RESPONSE BACK FROM THE MARKET.
WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GONNA DO AS FAR AS SUPPORTING FUNDING.
SO I LIKE THE IDEA, I LIKE PERSONALLY THE IDEA OF SAYING, OKAY, THE CARS ARE HEADED IN THIS DIRECTION.
WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE ELECTRICITY SIDE, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND DOING SOMETHING NOW SIGNALS TO OUR USERS THAT IT'S NOT FREE TO USE.
I MEAN, WITH ALL THE HOUSING THAT'S OPENING UP, WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST PARK AT, UH, OXLEY AND THEN TAKE YOUR CAR OVER TO THE FESTIVAL MARKET AND PLUG IT IN ALL NIGHT, EVERY NIGHT? AND YOU USUALLY GET BETTER PARKING TOO.
I MEAN, IT HELPS WITH THE PARKING SPOT RESPONSE.
I MEAN, I JUST, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY'RE USING.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY WHAT IT COSTS TO GAS THEIR CAR BECAUSE IT'S ELECTRIC.
THEY SHOULD PAY FOR THE ELECTRIC THAT THEY'RE USING
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AND WE SHOULDN'T BE GIVING THAT AWAY.THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE GENERATION OF THIS DISCUSSION WAS WE HAVE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM NON EV USERS SAYING, I PAY FOR MY GAS OR MY DIESEL.
WHY ARE YOU SUBSIDIZING? WELL, PEOPLE WHO ARE, WELL PAY FOR THE ELECTRIC, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE THE SAME PRICE AS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S WHY I I WAS A LITTLE TROUBLED BY THE COMPARISON, BUT, UM, TO, TO GAS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE PAYING WHAT IT COSTS TO BUY GAS.
YOU SHOULD PAY WHAT IT COSTS TO BUY THE ELECTRICITY TO CHARGE YOUR CAR.
THE CHA I MEAN, THE CHALLENGE IS THE GAS HAS ALREADY EMBEDDED IN IT.
HOW OUR NATIONAL HIGHWAY FUND, RIGHT.
WHICH COMES BACK TO OUR STATES AND OUR COUNTIES.
IT FUNDS INFRASTRUCTURE AND FUNDS INFRASTRUCTURES.
AND THAT'S A WHOLE, NOBODY THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER, NOBODY HAS THAT FIGURED OUT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA, THE INVERSION IS GONNA FLIP WHERE IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FLOWING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE STATE IS GONNA CONTINUE TO DIMINISH AND DIMINISH.
AND SO THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME THAT'S UP TO OUR STATE LEGISLATURE.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CITY GIVES IN OUR PENNY JAR FROM GAS TAX, BUT SOMETHING, RIGHT.
SO I GUESS GLENN, BACK TO THE, THESE PROPOSED RATES WILL PAY FOR THE ELECTRIC THAT THEY'RE USING AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IN 10 YEARS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE ESTIMATED.
I WANNA SAY OVERCHARGING OR THEY'RE GETTING, HAVING TO PAY A LOT MORE THAN A SURE.
THEY'RE JUST PAYING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT, BUT ALSO WITH THIS DISCUSSION IS WE ONLY HAVE 10 STATIONS THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD COMMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER STATIONS AROUND THAT ARE, THAT AREN'T OURS.
AND SO PEOPLE THINK THERE'S A PROLIFERATION OF STATIONS ALL OVER THE CITY THAT WE'RE JUST DOLING OUT THIS.
AND IT'S NOT, IT'S, WE HAVE 10, AND I ALSO HEARD A VERY STRANGE COMPLAINT THIS SUMMER.
UM, THEY WERE UPSET 'CAUSE MARCUS SQUARE WAS BEING USED, SO THEY COULDN'T GET TO THE, UH, CHARGING STATION.
SO WE TOLD 'EM GO ACROSS THE STREET.
JUST WENT TO CROSS THE STREET.
BUT ANYWAY, BUT MY GUESS IS YOUR PEERS ARE VERY INTERESTED WHAT WE POTENTIALLY DO HERE.
'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A LITERALLY LIKE A LIVING, BREATHING EXPERIMENT.
LIKE NOBODY REALLY HAS THE ANSWERS.
IT'S KINDA, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT OUT THERE TO THE MARKET.
NOW, IF A WALMART COMES IN HYPOTHETICALLY AND SAYS, WE WANT TO PUT IN 10 ELECTRIC STATIONS AT THIS NEW LOCATION OFF I 35 AND EDMOND AS EDMOND ELECTRIC, YOU, WE WOULD SERVICE THAT.
EVENTUALLY WE HAVE TO DECIDE, I GUESS IS, WHICH WILL BE A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION OF LIKE, WHO'S IN THE, WHO'S IN THE FUELING GAME, RIGHT? ARE WE ON THE BACK END JUST DOING THE, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE YOU THE POWER OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR WOULD WE BE FORWARD FACING IN SOME WAY AND SAY, HEY, PLUG IN HERE AT ADMIN ELECTRIC.
WELL, FROM, FROM A, THERE WAS, UM, STATE LAW THAT PASSED LAST SESSION THAT BASICALLY SAYS, A, AN ELECTRIC UTILITY CANNOT INSTALL AND MAINTAIN A LEVEL THREE CHARGER, ONE OF THE FAST CHARGERS BECAUSE A WALMART AND ON QUEUE, ET CETERA, THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN THE FAST CHARGING STATIONS.
SO IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH, IT WOULD NOT BE AN EDMUND ELECTRIC FUNCTION BECAUSE WE CANNOT SUPPORT IT VIA STATE LAW.
UM, LEVEL TWOS THE ONES THAT TAKE LONGER TO CHARGE.
WE CAN STILL WORK WITH THOSE LEVEL THREES.
WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FUND ANY MONEY FOR THOSE.
ANOTHER GOOD DISCUSSION, BUT ALSO THIS WAS BASED ON OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ACOG TO HELP PROMOTE EV IN THE COMMUNITY, IN THE REGION.
SO, UM, WE'VE DONE THAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, NEEDS THAT WE, THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF.
THIS IS, THIS IS AN ITEM ON THE WORKSHOP.
DEPENDING ON HOW COUNCIL FEELS, THERE IS A ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
IF COUNCIL DOESN'T FEEL WE'RE READY TO MAKE A DECISION, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT SO WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THE MAYOR NOT, WE'LL CALL IT, PULL THAT ITEM OR HOLD THAT ITEM UNTIL A FUTURE DISCUSSION.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE THAT KNOWN.
I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE IF I GOT SOME CLARIFICATION THAT THIS REALLY IS RECOUPING OUR
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DIRECT COST TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE AND IF THAT'S WHAT THIS IS BASED ON, I'M COMFORTABLE VOTING ON IT.BUT I'M ALSO FINE IF OTHER, IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS FURTHER.
BUT I'M FINE WITH MOVING AHEAD.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE CAN EVALUATE IT EVERY YEAR.
BUT WE NEED TO START KIND OF MOVING TOWARDS WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL COSTS AND WORKING TO SEE WHAT THAT IS AND JUST EVALUATE IT.
I'M FINE WITH, UH, KEEPING IT ON THE AGENDA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAD? WE HAD THREE GREAT, UH, PRESENTATIONS TODAY.
REALLY APPRECIATE IT HAVING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, HEREBY CALL THIS WORKSHOP ADJOURN.