May 07, 2024 Planning Commission

UM, YEAH, AS INDICATED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN EXTENSION OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN JUNE, 2022.

YOU CAN SEE THE SITE HERE ON THE SCREEN.

NO CHANGES TO THE APPROVED SITE PLAN HAVE BEEN REQUIRED OR REQUESTED.

UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE EXTENSION.

I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU KEN.

UH, ANY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR CITY PLANNER? BE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY PLANNER? OKAY.

PLEASE COME UP.

PLEASE GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

UH, JACKSON.

3 24 TIMBERLAND.

I LIVE IN WOOD CREEK TOWN HOMES AND OUR CONCERN WITH ME AND MY NEIGHBORS IS THE EGRESS.

UH, WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER WAY IN AND OUT OF THE AREA, UH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL OCCUPATIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

PERFECT.

WE'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

I CAN BARELY HEAR YOU.

WE'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

FROM THE DEVELOPER.

IS THAT ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT? APPLICANT? DO YOU MIND ANSWERING THE QUESTION? THE QUESTION, ARE YOU, ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? WE'RE ON, WE'RE ON.

UH, THIS IS JC LEGEND.

B, YEAH, IB SO, UH, HAM, I SAW, HEY, I WAS TALKING TO CLAY.

THIS ECHO'S IN HERE HORRIBLY ECHO.

IT SOUNDS WORSE OUT THERE, TRUST ME.

OKAY, WE'LL GET IT FIXED.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

KEEP TALKING.

TODD.

HE MIGHT BE FIXING IT AS YOU TALK.

I DOUBT IT.

UH, MY NAME'S TODD MCKENNA.

I'M HERE WITH MOHAMMAD KHAN AND TROY'S HERE.

THE APPLICANT, UH, THE, UH, ARCHITECT FOR THE APPLICANT.

UH, IT'S REALLY, IT'S KINDA A NON-ISSUE.

WE'RE JUST WORKING THROUGH THE ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY'S HAVING THESE DAYS WITH CAPITAL AND INTEREST RATES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND SO WE HAVE WEEKLY, IF NOT BI-WEEKLY CALLS, UH, ON OUR PROJECT.

WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE JUST DIDN'T GET EVERYTHING DONE IN THE 18 MONTH TIME PERIOD.

SO WE ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION AND WORK WITH THE PLANNING STAFF.

AND SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING UNIQUE TO OFFER EXCEPT JUST THE CURRENT STATE OF THE ECONOMY, WHAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH.

SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING.

I HEARD THE QUESTION ALREADY IN FRONT OF ME.

UH, OUR ACCESS IS STAYING THE WAY IT IS.

WE'VE VACATED THE STREETS.

WE SAID WE'RE GONNA VACATE.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY, AS YOU KNOW, TO THE EAST OF US.

UH, BUT THERE'S NO INTENTION AT THIS POINT TO CHANGE OUR INGRESS AND EGRESS AS TO WHAT WE GOT APPROVED AT THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

SO THANK YOU MR. MCKEN.

WITHOUT ANY FURTHER COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE INTO, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION.

IT WILL NOT MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL.

WE'RE UNABLE TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH, I THINK, DO YOU THINK MY MIC MY MIC IS CHECKED? IT'S ALMOST LIKE TESTING.

TESTING.

I DON'T THINK OUR ONE TOO.

I DON'T THINK OUR MICS ARE ON.

GIVE US A SECOND.

IT'S CRACKLING.

WE'RE WE MAKE OUR COMMENTS AND ASK FOR A REVO.

WHAT DO YOU FOR, FOR NOW? IT'S ON.

APPROVED AT THAT POINT DUE TO FINANCING AND COST.

HANG.

I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

I CAN HEAR IT.

SO THAT WAS FOR CASE C, THE, UH, LEGEND.

THE APARTMENTS.

YES.

WELL, WE DID JUST VOTE ON IT.

I KNOW, BUT YOU WERE IN, WE COULDN'T, COULDN'T HEAR THE SOUND WAS SO WHILE YOU WERE SPEAKING, WE COULDN'T HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON.

SORRY.

SO COULD YOU RESTATE WHAT WAS STATED? YEAH, SO THIS WAS JUST AN EXTENSION OF WHAT WAS PROVED PRIOR TO IT.

NOTHING CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL.

UM, IT'S EXACTLY AS IT WAS.

IT'S JUST AN EXTENSION.

THEY JUST DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WHEN IT WAS PRIOR APPROVED.

HOW MANY YEARS AGO WAS IT? IT WAS 18 MONTHS.

18 MONTHS AGO.

IT WAS APPROVED.

THEY JUST DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WAS

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AND SO THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION OF WHAT WAS APPROVED.

AND THAT WAS ALL THAT OCCURRED.

NO CHANGES OCCURRED.

NOTHING ELSE WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED 18 MONTHS AGO.

DO NOT WANT COMMENT FROM THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ABOVE PROPERTY.

SO I DID GET A COMMENT, UM, AND NO ONE, WE ONLY HAD ONE COMMENT FROM MR. JACKSON AND NOBODY ELSE CAME UP.

AND TWO OTHERS OF US THAT DID NOT GET THAT OPPORTUNITY, SIR.

WELL, NOBODY RA I DIDN'T HAVE A RAISE OF HAND OR ANYBODY THAT ASKED TO COME UP DURING THAT QUESTION.

CAN'T HEAR.

WE COULD NOT HEAR WHAT WE'RE SORRY.

WE'RE SORRY WE COULDN'T HEAR BECAUSE OF THAT ECHO THING.

WE'RE HERE AGAIN NOW, BUT YEAH.

SO I WILL ALLOW YOU, I'LL ALLOW YOU TO COME UP HERE AND ASK YOUR QUESTION, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS LEFT ALREADY BECAUSE WE JUST VOTED ON IT.

SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND AND STATE YOUR QUESTION, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT AN ANSWER FROM THE APPLICANT, JANE LOWRY, 2 0 5 HAMPTON RIDGE ROAD, MY PROPERTY ABOVE THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS AND THE PLANNED PROJECT.

AND THIS IS STATED THAT IT'S AN EXTENSION.

HOWEVER, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEIR PLAN EXPIRED IN FEBRUARY.

SO WE'RE MORE THAN TWO MONTHS PAST THE EXPIRATION DATE.

I WONDERED IF THAT CONSTITUTED A SITUATION OF REAPPLICATION.

I NOTED ALSO THAT THE EXISTING ZONING WAS C TWO THAT WAS CONTINGENT ON A PRIOR AGREEMENT THAT WAS STRUCK WITH ARBOR PLACE, UH, IN 2008 BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER AND WAS NOT CARRIED FORWARD.

IT HAS BEEN STATED THAT WHAT THE DEVELOPER PROPOSES IS IN THE SPIRIT OF THAT AGREEMENT, AND I WOULD CONTEST THAT BECAUSE IT CONSTITUTED A GREEN SPACE WITH ANCIENT OAKS IN IT AND OTHER TREES OF OLD NATURE RATHER THAN NEW PLANTINGS.

ALSO AN ITEM 12 ON THEIR SUBMISSION, ON THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND SO FORTH.

YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARAGRAPH THAT VVP HARBOR PLACE IS MENTIONED AS CONTRIBUTING TO DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE ON THIS.

HOWEVER, THE GREEN SPACE AGREEMENT, THE BVP HAD STRUCK, DID NOT APPEAR AS A CONSIDERATION IN THIS.

I KNOW THAT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE, BUT NOT ADEQUATELY WITH THE HOMEOWNERS.

ITEM 13, THE WASTEWATER, THE UTILITIES EASEMENT.

AND I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHERE THAT IS ON THEIR EASTERN PROPERTY.

IS THAT TOWARD THE SOUTH END WHERE THEIR RETENTION POND IS? ON ITEM 14, THEY PROPOSED A DETENTION POND AND IT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH ENGINEERING SPECS AS MENTIONED IN THE TEXT IN YOUR NOTES.

AND I WONDERED IF ALL OF THOSE COULD BE ADDRESSED BY THEIR ATTORNEY.

HOWEVER, HE LEFT RATHER QUICKLY.

WE'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER.

IS ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO, YOU SAID THERE WAS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THE BEHALF.

GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVER IN FRONT OF A COUNCIL.

UH, MY NAME IS MIKE LAINA.

I AM, UH, AT 3 23 SUNDANCE IN THE WOOD CREEK APARTMENTS THERE.

UM, YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA START BUILDING IN FEBRUARY? NO, I MUST HAVE HEARD WRONG ANYWAYS, ONCE THE AREA OPENS UP, I'VE BEEN A TRUCKER FOR 42 YEARS, RETIRED FOR 10 YEARS, AND WHEN A TRUCK COMES INTO THE AREA WITH MATERIALS AND THEY GET THERE ON A FRIDAY AND CAN'T UNLOAD TILL MONDAY, AND SOME PEOPLE START COMING IN SATURDAY, SUNDAY, OR THEY GO TO PARK ON KICKING BIRD.

AND IN CASE OF A EMERGENCY, IS EVERYBODY GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT WITH TRUCKS PARKED MAYBE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET? I KNOW ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IS FULL.

I'M GONNA GO OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE.

SO, UH, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT EMERGENCY GETTING IN AND OUT WITH TRAFFIC ON THE STREETS.

IS ANYBODY ELSE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? MAY WE HEAR THEIR RESPONSE TO OUR COMMENTS AND DECIDE IF WE MIGHT MAKE AN EFFORT COMMENT? EVERYONE GETS JUST ONE OPPORTUNITY.

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I THINK ALL OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING OUT OF THERE IF WE ALL HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE SAME TIME.

CAN CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? HI, I'M SORRY.

I'M BOB MCDANIEL.

I LIVE AT 20 26 3 STARS ROAD.

WE HAVE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR, UH, TO GET TO OUR HOME.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE THINKING OF, UH, DEVELOPING, UH, UH, WOOD CREEK, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND OUR THAT RIGHT BEHIND OUR PROPERTY.

HAVE I GOT THAT RIGHT? I I'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU, .

I'M SORRY.

I'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU FROM THE ATTORNEY.

THE APPLICANT.

YOU WILL, YOU WILL GET AN ANSWER FOR ME.

YEAH, WE'RE NOT, YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT THE APPLICANT.

I I WILL JUST GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU FROM THE APPLICANT.

HE'LL COME BACK UP AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

WELL, OUR CONCERN IS IF WE, IF WE ONLY HAVE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET OUT IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.

IF OUR ONLY, UH, WAY TO DO THAT IS WOOD CREEK, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW HOW, UH, IF THEY'RE PUTTING OTHER PEOPLE, IF THEY'RE PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THEY'RE DEVELOPING THAT.

AND I GET THAT THAT'S THE REASON THEY HAVE THE PROPERTY, IS THEY WANNA DEVELOP IT.

UH, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE ANOTHER EGRESS, UH, ON, UH, MAYBE, UH, UH, SECOND STREET BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY A, A HEAVY TRAVELED AREA.

AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY OF GETTING OUT OF THERE FOR THOSE PEOPLE RATHER THAN DUMPING THEM ALL ON WOOD CREEK.

OR PERHAPS WE COULD GO, UH, THE, THE BACKSIDE THEN, UM, OF THE GOLF COURSE THAT'S THERE, THERE'S A PROPERTY BETWEEN THE GOLF COURSE, OF COURSE PROPERTY AND OUR PROPERTY AT WOOD CREEK.

WE COULD PUT, WE COULD MAKE AN EXIT INTO THAT AND PUT A ROAD IN THERE, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EGRESS AND EGRESS, UH, THE WAY IT IS NOW.

BUT I WOULD REALLY BE CONCERNED IF WE HAD SOME KIND OF AN EMERGENCY THAT WE HAD TO GET OUT OF THERE.

SO I WISH YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT OKAY.

LAST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT'S NOT JUST A TWO LANE ROAD THAT'S GOT 15 FOOT LANES AND 26 FEET A RIGHT OF WAY OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE TO THE CURB.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DID ALREADY VOTE ON THIS.

HOWEVER, I AM GONNA HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP AND ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.

UM, SO MR. MCKENNA, IT IS, UH, MRS. LOWRY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, SHE SAID THAT IT EXPIRED IN FEBRUARY, BUT IT'S CURRENTLY MAY DRIVEWAYS RETENTION TRAFFIC ON WEEKENDS AND EGRESS AND, UH, BY MR. MCDANIEL.

YEAH, SO WE, UH, WE WORK WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO EXTENSIONS OF PUDS OR SITE PLANS, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND SO LET ME BACK UP.

I, EVERYTHING I'M GONNA SAY HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE, SO I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE A JERK BY SAYING WE ALREADY DEALT WITH THAT, BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS AND WE'VE NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF EDMOND, THAT MY KNOWLEDGE NOT APPROVED THE EXTENSION OF A SITE PLAN OR A PUD BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT EXPIRED FOR 30 OR 60 DAYS AT THE TIME OF OUR APPLICATION.

SO I CAN'T ANSWER A BETTER ANSWER TO THAT.

THAT'S JUST THE TRUTH.

UH, AS FAR AS THE ISSUES ON THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT, 18 MONTHS AGO, WE WERE HERE AND WE HAD A VERY INVOLVED PROCESS.

UH, THERE'S 10 HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US, TO THE EAST THAT ARE IN WICK.

WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE HOMEOWNERS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT ADDRESSED THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT THAT WAS OUTSTANDING LONG BEFORE MY CLIENTS GOT INVOLVED AND I GOT INVOLVED.

AND SO THAT WAS ADDRESSED ITEM BY ITEM.

I HAD AN EMAIL FROM THEIR ATTORNEY TODAY, MR. STEVEN, DITTO.

UH, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES ABOUT FILING THAT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS FINE.

AND THEN THE ISSUE OF THE INGRESS AND EGRESS CAME UP AND, AND IT CERTAINLY WAS THE ISSUE THAT, AND WILDLIFE WERE THE TWO ISSUES WE DEALT WITH LAST TIME.

AND SO WHAT I REMEMBER FROM THAT TIME PERIOD IS THERE HASN'T BEEN IN THE HISTORY OF EDMOND, AN INCIDENT THAT PROHIBITED INGRESS AND EGRESS TO A SECTION LINE ROAD WHEN YOU HAD OVER A HUNDRED FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY.

AND SO WOOD CREEK IS A UNIQUE ROAD.

IT HAS ONE WAY GOING EAST, A 40 FOOT MEDIAN, AND ANOTHER LINE GOING WEST.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN EDMOND WHERE YOU HAVE THAT MUCH RIGHT OF WAY TO MOVE TRAFFIC IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.

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THIS PROVIDES TWO LANES GOING EACH DIRECTION.

SO I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A CONCERN THAT YOU WOULD DUMP A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON A ROAD THAT ALREADY HAS TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE NORTH, UH, AND TRAFFIC FROM THE SOUTH.

BUT WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HAVING THIS PROPERTY PLATTED AND IT WAS APPROVED.

WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HAVING THE END OF THE STREET VACATED BY THE CITY OF EDMOND AND BY THE OKLAHOMA COUNTY DISTRICT COURT, AND IT WAS APPROVED.

AND WE DEALT WITH THE ISSUE OF INGRESS AND EGRESS WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED 18 MONTHS AGO, MOSTLY FOR THE REASON THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE.

THE SIGNALIZATION AT BRYANT IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE.

THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THAT INTERSECTION WAS COMPROMISED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT SIGNALED.

AND THEN THE IDEA OF AN EMERGENCY IS SATISFIED BY THE A HUNDRED FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY AND TWO LANES GOING EACH DIRECTION TO GET ANYBODY THAT HAS A PROBLEM IF THERE IS A TRAGEDY, WHICH TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NEVER BEEN ONE IN THE HISTORY OF EDMOND THAT PROHIBITED THAT TYPE OF AGRE INGRESS OR EGRESS.

AND SO I THINK WE DEALT WITH ALL OF THOSE ITEMS ITEM BY ITEM.

UH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS.

I DON'T REMEMBER IF THEY WERE MADE THE PREVIOUS TIME BY HER OR BY SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT WE'VE DEALT WITH THOSE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DIALOGUE WITH ANY OF THE FOLKS AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO THANK YOU MR. MCINNIS.

YES, MA'AM.

COULD YOU TAKE ANOTHER QUESTION? UH, SO WHAT I'LL, AT THIS POINT, SO WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD IT AND WE'VE VOTED ON IT, BUT I'M HA I'M SURE THAT MR. MCINNIS WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU INDIVIDUALLY, OUTSIDE AFTER HE'S DONE HERE.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO THAT DIRECTION.

I BELIEVE IT'S A QUESTION THOUGH, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THE WHOLE NIGHT YOU CAN COME UP AND THEN WE'RE, BUT WE'RE DONE.

I STAYED UP FRONT.

ONE QUESTION.

I KNOW JANE LOWRY, 2 0 5 HAMPTON RIDGE ROAD.

UH, THE ATTORNEY JUST STATED THAT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HOMEOWNERS.

I WOULD CHALLENGE HIM TO PRODUCE WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION OF THAT FACT.

'CAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE IT EXISTS.

UH, THREE E, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER ES 2 4 0 0 0 2 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR AN EASEMENT CLOSING FOR KELLY CORNER.

I WILL LEAVE THAT BETWEEN YOU TWO TO FIGURE OUT.

IT DOESN'T REALLY PERTAIN TO WHAT WE DO UP HERE.

THERE'S NO, IT WILL HAVE TO BE BETWEEN YOU GUYS, BETWEEN YOUR HOMEOWNERS.

AND I THINK HE MENTIONED TODAY THAT YOU GUYS AS ATTORNEY AND HE SPOKE TODAY.

SO I'LL LET YOU, YOUR ATTORNEYS FIGURE IT OUT.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO CASE,

[E. Case #ES24-00002 Public Hearing and Consideration for an Easement Closing for Kelly Corner – Electric Easement, located southeast of Kelly and Covell. (Broadway Development Group) (Ward 1)]

IT'S AN ELECTRICAL EASEMENT LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF KELLY AND COVE BROADWAY DEVELOPMENT GROUP IS HERE.

UM, MR. PLANER, THANK YOU.

UH, YES.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING, UM, THE EASEMENT SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN TO BE CLOSED.

IT'S AN ELECTRIC EASEMENT.

UM, EDMOND ELECTRIC HAS REMOVED ITS FACILITIES, UH, FROM THIS EASEMENT AND CONFIRMS THAT, UH, THE EASEMENT ITSELF IS NO LONGER NECESSARY.

UH, WHEN WE WORK THROUGH THE EASEMENT CLOSING PROCESS, WE REACH OUT TO OTHER PUBLIC AND FRANCHISE UTILITIES.

UM, THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS, UM, TO THIS APPLICATION.

PLANNERS, ANY QUESTION FOR OUR CITY PLANNER? NOT WOULD.

THE APPLICANT SAYS HE DOESN'T NEED TO SAY ANYTHING.

IS ANY COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.

WITHOUT ANY FURTHER COMMENT, I WOULD TAKE A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND, UH, ITEM IS APPROVED FOUR ZERO, AND IT WILL MOVE TO CITY COUNCIL MAY 28TH, WHICH IS A TUESDAY, NOT A MONDAY DUE TO THE HOLIDAY.

OKAY,

[A. Case #Z23-00013 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “A” Single Family Dwelling District to “PUD Z23-00013” Planned Unit Development for the property located on the southeast corner of Coltrane Road and Covell Road. (David Huffman) (Ward 2) ]

BACK TO THE TOP.

NUMBER THREE, UH, A CASE NUMBER Z TWO THREE DASH ZERO THREE PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR A REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING DISTRICT TO A PUD Z TWO THREE DASH ZERO THREE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COLTRAN ROAD.

IN COBELL ROAD.

UH, DAVID HUB IS THE APPLICANTS, AND MR. V IS HERE.

UM, SO I'LL FIRST LET, UM, WELL, I'LL LET THE PLAINTIFF EXPLAIN IT FIRST.

OF ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING.

VERY GOOD.

UM, SO AS INDICATED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM A TO PUD FOR THE SITE SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN.

IT'S ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF ACRES AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COVELL AND COLTRANE.

NEARBY ZONING INCLUDES E TWO OPEN DISPLAY TO THE WEST AND NORTHWEST, A TO THE NORTH, INCLUDING A PORTION OF THE GOLF CLUB OF EDMOND AND A TO THE EAST AND SOUTH.

THE PUD WOULD ALLOW A VARIETY OF NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COMMERCIAL USES SUCH AS OFFICES, RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, AND CHILDCARE.

PARKING SPACES WILL BE SET TO A MAXIMUM

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THE PUD PROPOSES A 50 FOOT SETBACK ON THE REAR AND SIDE YARDS.

PUD INCLUDES VARIANCES TO THE CITY'S DRIVEWAY SEPARATION STANDARDS.

THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY ON COVELL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS A RIGHT END, RIGHT OUT APPROXIMATELY 310 FEET FROM COLTRANE ROAD.

THE REQUIRED SEPARATION IS 325 FEET.

THE PUD INCLUDES TWO DRIVEWAYS ON COLTRANE, WHICH HAVE 315 FEET OF SEPARATION.

AND AGAIN, THE SEPARATION BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS IS 325 FEET.

THE EDMOND PLAN CATEGORIZES THIS SITE AS OPEN SPACE AND S TWO SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE OPEN SPACE CATEGORY IS COINCIDENT WITH THE FLOODPLAIN ON THE WEST PORTION OF THE SITE.

THE SCALE DESIGN AND USE IS ALLOWED IN THE PD WOULD PROVIDE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO NEARBY AREAS AND APPEAR TO MEET THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLAN CATEGORY.

STACK STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL INCLUDING THE, UH, VARIANCES TO THE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU KEN.

AND I'LL ALSO JUST QUICKLY, UM, TONIGHT IS JUST A SITE, UH, IT'S A ZONING REQUEST ONLY.

UM, THIS WILL COME BACK FOR A POSSIBLE SITE PLAN.

PRELIMINARY PLAT.

THIS WILL BE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT IS JUST ZONING.

UM, I UNDERSTAND.

I'VE GOT MULTIPLE EMAILS ABOUT DRAINAGE QUESTIONS, FLOOD ZONE QUESTIONS, TRAFFIC, THOSE THINGS ARE HEARD AT A DIFFERENT TIME.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.

UM, IT IS ZONING ONLY, SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO SAY ANY CONCERN, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.

IT WOULD COME AT A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME.

SO SIMPLISTICALLY, 40,000 FOOT VIEW, APPLICANT WANTS TO KNOW, IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES AND, AND STORM WATER AND ALL BEFORE THEY START DOWN THAT PATH OF SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY.

IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE? SO AGAIN, JUST FOR A HEADS UP, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, MR. BOX, YES.

DAVID BOX FIVE TWENTY TWO.

CALL COURT DRIVE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY AN APPLICATION THAT WE FILED QUITE SOME TIME AGO.

UM, EDMOND IS IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, EXPANDING COVAL.

NOW, WHEN THAT HAPPENS IN FRONT OF THIS SITE, WE DON'T KNOW THERE WAS, UM, SOME INDICATION THEY WERE GONNA MOVE FORWARD SOONER THAN LATER.

UH, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS MOVING FORWARD SOONER THAN LATER, BUT WE STILL WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR DESIRE TO GET IT ZONED APPROPRIATELY SO THAT WHEN COVEA IS IN PLACE AND WIDENED, WE HAVE SOME USES THAT WE THINK WILL GENERATE SALES TAX AND PROVIDE BENEFIT TO, TO THE CITY OF EDMOND.

UM, YOU CAN SEE BASED UPON THE SITE PLAN THAT THIS SITE HAS PROBLEMS, UH, IN TERMS OF THE FLOOD PLAIN FLOODWAY THAT EXISTS ON THE WESTERN, UH, SIDE OF THE SITE.

THE ENGINEER HAS DONE, UH, A GREAT JOB OF ENSURING THAT WE HAVE MOVED THE BUILDINGS OUT OF THE LOCATION.

THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FROM THAT EDMOND, UH, FLOODPLAIN WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH STAFF, UH, IN THAT REGARD.

SO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS A SITE PLAN THAT RESPECTS WHAT EXISTS THERE ON THE WEST, UH, BUT ALSO PROVIDES FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE LIGHT RETAIL USES THAT WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE THREE OTHER CORNERS OF THE INTERSECTION, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A GOLF COURSE, BUT THE OTHER TWO ARE ZONED E TWO, WHICH IS OF COURSE YOU'RE MUCH MORE INTENSE OPEN DISPLAY COMMERCIAL.

SO IT'S A STEP DOWN FROM WHAT EXISTS TO THE WEST, BOTH NORTHWEST AND, UM, EXCUSE ME, YEAH, NORTHWEST AND THE SOUTH, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE USES WE'VE INCLUDED, WE THINK THAT THEY'RE LIMITED IN NATURE.

WE THINK THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, FOR THE AREA, GIVEN THE COMP PLAN AND GIVEN WHAT EDMUND DESIRES COVE TO BE LONG TERM WITH THAT WIDENING AS IT RELATES TO THE VARIANCES, IF YOU READ YOUR STAFF REPORT, OF COURSE STAFF DOES SUPPORT 'EM.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE SHOVED THE, THE ONE ON COVELL ALL THE WAY TO THE EAST.

THERE'S LITERALLY NOWHERE ELSE YOU CAN GO.

IF EDMOND IS GONNA SPEND ALL THIS MONEY ON COVELL, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT THERE BE AN ACCESS POINT ON COVELL.

WE'VE OF OF COURSE MADE IT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.

SO THERE'D BE NO LEFT MOVEMENT, UH, CREATING, UM, A TRAFFIC PROBLEM AGAIN ON COLTRANE.

YOU SEE, WE HAVE PUSHED THAT MO SOUTHERNMOST DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH, AND THE VARIANCES ARE MINIMAL.

IT'S A 15 FOOT AND A 10 FOOT.

SO, UH, I, I'M ASSUMING FOR THOSE REASONS, STAFF DOES SUPPORT IT.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

UH, BUT WHEN WE THINK OF THE USES THAT WE'VE INCLUDED, WE DO THINK THAT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE.

AND OF COURSE ALL OF THOSE FINER POINTS.

AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, WE'LL BE ADDRESSED IN SITE PLAN COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I HAVE A, A QUESTION PROBABLY YES, SIR.

BOTH TO, UH, MR. BOX AND, UH, UH, THE STAFF ON LOOKING AT, UH, AND WHAT IS THE CLARIFICATION OF THE BUFFER? THE, THE, UM, UH, CURRENT, CURRENT ORDINANCE IS 70 FEET.

HOW DO WE COME UP WITH, HOW DO WE, UH, COME UP WITH 50 FEET? HOW DOES THAT MAP WORK WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TREE BUFFER? I MEAN THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER? SO WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THE, IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION, WHERE'D IT GO?

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UM, ON PAGE FOUR OF THE PUD SENSITIVE BORDER, UM, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A REDUCED REAR YARD SETBACK AND SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM 70 TO 50.

BUT WE'LL STILL MEET THE SENSITIVE BORDER STANDARD.

THE REASON THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE ARE LOSING BASED UPON THE FLOODWAY, UH, FLOODPLAIN THAT EXISTS TO THE WEST, UH, THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.

BUT WE'VE HAD TO SHOVE EVERYTHING PRETTY FAR TO THE EAST, SO WE'LL STILL MEET THE SENSITIVE BORDER.

WE'RE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION IN THE SETBACKS.

OH, OKAY.

IS THAT HOW YOU SEE IT? UH, YEAH.

AND IT IS, IT'S WHILE THE, THE VALUES THEMSELVES ARE NOT, UM, ARE, NEED TO BE SPECIFIED IN THE PUD BECAUSE PUD IS NOT LIKE A LISTED ZONING DISTRICT IN THE SENSE BORDER TABLE.

THOSE VALUES OF 70 AND 50 AND UM, PROVISIONS FOR, UH, REDUCTION, UM, ARE PART OF THE CODE.

OH, OKAY.

AND SO IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING AND FENCING AND WALLS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UH, THE SECOND QUESTION IS, THERE'S A, UH, COMMENT IN HERE ABOUT MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOT, UH, INCLUDED FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL.

SO I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'VE MAXIMIZED YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE WITH THESE THREE BUILDINGS.

COULD THERE POSSIBLY BE A FOURTH BUILDING? JUST, I, I, I KNOW THAT WE, WE TALKED A, I'VE TALKED WITH STAFF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR DESIGN IS AND WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND I KNOW ABOUT HALF OF IT IS IN A FLOODPLAIN, BUT IS THAT KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT THE FINAL SITE PLAN IS PROBABLY GONNA BE REAL CLOSE TO THAT? OR WOULD IT INCLUDE A FOURTH BUILDING? IT, IT'S UNLIKELY TO INCLUDE A FOURTH BUILDING.

WE WON'T KNOW TILL SITE PLAN.

UM, THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF KIND OF A MAXED OUT WITH THE PARKING AND SETBACKS AND, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

IT COULD BE CERTAINLY LESS, BUT THIS IS KIND OF SHOWN AT WHAT A KIND OF MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT COULD LOOK LIKE.

THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING, HAVE THEM BRING IN A TON OF DIRT AND STAY AWAY FROM MY PROPERTY LINE.

THANKS.

ALRIGHT, THANKS MR. BOX.

AND SO NOW WE'LL OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, WELL, YOU CAN COME FIRST AND AGAIN, YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.

BUT BASED ON THE LAST ONE, EVERYONE GETS ONE OPPORTUNITY.

HELLO, MY NAME IS ANGIE CALDWELL.

I LIVE AT 25 25 COVELL LANE, AND THAT BUFFER AFFECTS ME.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU TAKE AWAY MY BUFFER, WHAT ARE THE LIGHTS AND WHICH DIRECTION WILL THEY BE POINTING? BECAUSE IT, I'M NOT A ENGINEER OR ANYONE LIKE THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOOD IS THAT 50, WHATEVER BUFFER GONNA DO ME IF I'VE GOT LIGHTS POINTING AND WHAT ARE THE HOURS AND HOW CAN THAT POSSIBLY, SORRY.

SO THIS BUMPS UP TO MY PROPERTY.

THAT IS MY BIG COMPLAINT.

THAT BUFFER IS GONNA BE THIS BIG.

HOW ARE WE GONNA, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET CARS THROUGH THERE? HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO LIVE OUR LIFE? HEARING THE CARS AND HAVING NO BUMP BUFFER, YOU KNOW, HAVING NO SPACE.

IS IT GONNA BE A ROAD BACK THERE? SO WE GET TO HEAR THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES AND GOES FROM THE PEOPLE THAT CLEAN THAT BUILDING AT NIGHT? ARE WE GONNA SEE HEADLIGHTS FROM THOSE CARS? WHAT ARE THE HOURS GONNA BE THAT AFFECTS US? I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON, MY NEIGHBOR'S TO THE SOUTH OF ME, IT'S GONNA AFFECT THEM TOO.

THAT BUFFER IS KEY.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST SUCKS THAT YOU'VE GOT A FLOOD PLAIN, BUT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH MORE THAN JUST A FLOOD PLAIN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HELLO AGAIN.

MY NAME IS CONRAD CALDWELL.

YOU JUST HEARD FROM MY WIFE.

I LIVE IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF THAT, OR RATHER THE EAST OF THAT PLAT RIGHT THERE.

THIS IS THE THIRD TIME MR. HUFFMAN'S TRIED TO CHANGE THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE, THE LAST TIME IT WAS 12 OR 14 YEARS AGO, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED IT DOWN APPROPRIATELY.

CITY COUNCIL VOTED IT DOWN.

HE CRIED AND HE WENT TO FEDERAL COURT AND HE LOST.

HE THEN WENT UP TO SUPREME COURT.

GUESS WHAT? HE LOST THE CITY OF EDMOND.

BEAT HIM.

THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS I DON'T THINK WE YOU NEED TO TAKE IN ACCOUNT HERE.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCES BASED UPON GEOGRAPHY OF THIS PIECE OF LAND.

WHEN HUFFMAN BOUGHT THIS, HE KNEW THIS LAND WAS IN A FLOOD ZONE.

MATTER OF FACT, THE LAST PLAT THAT THEY SHOWED US WHEN THEY TRIED THIS 14 YEARS AGO, THEY HAD A GAS STATION AND A WATER FEATURE RIGHT OVER THE HIGH PRESSURE GAS LINE.

THESE GUYS DIDN'T EVEN DO THEIR HOMEWORK.

SO I HAD TO EMBARRASS THEM TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, NO, YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR HOMEWORK AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A GAS STATION ON THE CORNER.

NOW THEM ASKING FOR A VARIANCE, I THINK IS UNFAIR TO NOT ONLY ME, BUT MY NEIGHBOR OVER THERE WHO'S IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH BECAUSE THAT PUSHES THESE DRIVEWAYS RIGHT UP TO OUR FENCE SIGN.

I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE.

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A VARIANCE IS THERE FOR A REASON.

THAT INTERSECTION ALREADY HAS A GRADE OF F THE CITY ENGINEER TOLD ME WHEN WE HAD THE WALMART DEBACLE OF THE OTHER CORNER BEFORE, YOU CAN'T FIX THIS BECAUSE THIS AREA IS A BULL WHERE ALL THE FLOOD WATERS CONNECT.

YOU CAN'T FIX IT.

THE NATURAL GAS FACILITY THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, THAT'S AN AREA THAT YOU CAN'T REZONE.

IT'S A NON MOVABLE FEATURE.

YOU CAN TALK TO THE OKLAHOMA NATURAL GAS PEOPLE.

YOU CAN TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE PIPELINE THERE.

WE TALK TO THEM ALL THE TIME.

BECAUSE THE PIPELINE RUNS UNDER MY PROPERTY.

YOU CAN'T BUILD PLUS OR MINUS 25 FEET FROM THAT PIPELINE, ANY PERMANENT STRUCTURE.

IT'S ACTUALLY NOT PRESENTED CORRECTLY ON THIS LITTLE PLAT DIAGRAM.

IT'S ACTUALLY MORE SOUTH.

I THINK YOU NEED TO ENFORCE THAT 350 FOOT MARK.

THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY KIND OF ACCESS POINT ON COVELL ROAD AT ALL AS FAR AS GOING SOUTH HERE.

I'M SURE MY NEIGHBOR WILL HAVE A POINT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHETHER IT'S BEING PUSHED FURTHER CLOSE TO HIM BECAUSE HE'S BUILDING A HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THESE THREE BUILDINGS.

I'LL HAVE MORE TO TALK ABOUT NEXT TIME I'M AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT THIS IS THE THIRD TIME HE'S TRIED THIS.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE THIS.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THESE PLANS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

SEEN A LOT MORE OF THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAN I DO, BUT I ASK YOU JUST CONSIDER THAT, UM, IS, IS THERE A BENEFIT TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY OTHER THAN THE PROPERTY ON? SO THANK YOU.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

CHRIS COTTING, UH, 2 9 0 1 ASHBROOK PLACE.

I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE IMMEDIATE NORTHWEST, UH, CALLED ASHFORD OAKS, UH, AT THIS INTERSECTION.

UM, UH, OPPOSED THE, UH, UH, UH, PROPOSAL AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO A SINGLE RESIDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ASHFORD OAKS THAT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSAL.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SIMILAR ZONINGS AT THE INTERSECTION, UH, NOT IDENTICAL, BUT SIMILAR.

IT CONTINUES A RADICAL DEPARTURE THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE AREA AND THE, UM, UH, NORTHWEST OR THE, UH, NORTH SOUTH, UH, COVE, UH, CORRIDOR NORTH OF DANFORTH.

I WOULD ASK FOR THE COMMISSION TO, UH, OBSERVE THAT, UH, IN THEIR DECISION.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GIVES MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS, UH, DISCOMFORT WITH THE PROPOSAL IS THE, UH, THE, UH, UH, UH, UH, THE ABILITY FOR ATTENDANCE IN, UH, UH, MARIJUANA RELATED BUSINESSES, ALCOHOL, SALES AND VAPING.

UH, UH, THIS, THIS PROPOSAL OPENS THE DOOR FOR THAT.

THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY OMIT IT.

UM, IF IT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, I WOULD ASK FOR THE PUD TO BE SPECIFICALLY OMITTED FOR THOSE THREE BUSINESSES OR RELATED BUSINESSES TO BE OMITTED FROM, UH, OPERATING IN THE, UH, PROPOSED FACILITIES.

UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SCHOOL BUS INTERSECTION THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED AT THE IMMEDIATE, UH, OR SCHOOL BUS, UH, PICKUP AT THE, I IMMEDIATE, UH, NORTHEAST OF THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THINKING OF CHILDREN, THINKING OF TRAFFIC.

AGAIN, THINGS THAT WOULD BE, UH, HURDLES THAT WOULD BE, UH, JUMPED DOWN THE ROAD.

UH, I'D PREFER WE JUST NOT GO THERE.

AND, UH, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. COTTING.

WHAT WAS THE THIRD, UM, BUSINESS THAT YOU SAID? WEED, ALCOHOL, UH, ALCOHOL SALES, MARIJUANA RELATED BUSINESSES AND VAPING? UH, UH, TOBACCO, UH, GOT IT.

JAY GRAMBLING, 25 33 STEEPLECHASE ROAD.

SO I LIVE IN THE STEEPLECHASE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S JUST NORTH OF ASHFORD OAKS THERE.

UH, MOVED THERE FIVE YEARS AGO FROM ABOUT SECOND AND KELLY, UH, WHICH IS, UM, MUCH MORE COMMERCIAL AREA.

AND, UH, HAVE REALLY ENJOYED THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF, OF THIS PART OF TOWN, UH, OF, OF THE STI CHASE AREA.

UM, BEFORE I PURCHASED THERE, I KIND OF LOOKED INTO THE ZONING OF THE AREAS, UM, JUST TO UNDERSTAND AND SAW THERE WAS SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS UNDEVELOPED AT COVELL AND COLTRANE, WHICH WAS FINE WITH THAT.

BUT, UH, KNOWING THAT THAT'S THERE AND UNDEVELOPED TODAY, I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED WHEN I SAW THE ZONING NOTICE GO UP TO CONSIDER MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

UM, AGAIN, TALKING TO MY, UH, NEIGHBORS ALSO, UM, GENERAL CONSENSUS AMONG THE RESIDENTS SEEMS TO BE OPPOSED TO THE, THE CONCEPT.

UM, THERE'S THE LARGE DEVELOPING AREA THERE AT I 35 IN COVE ALREADY, RIGHT? SO, UM, WE FAIL TO SEE HOW MORE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS HERE, UM, HELPS THE CITY AS FAR AS TAX DOLLARS.

SO HOW IS TAX DOLLAR HERE DIFFERENT THAN OVER THERE? UM, ALSO IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE HOW IT IMPROVES, UH, LIFE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY.

UM, SO WITH THOSE, UH, WITH THOSE ITEMS IN CONSIDERATION, I JUST ASK YOU SEE A LOT MORE THAN I DO.

YOU'VE

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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. GRAHAM.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE? AFTERNOON, SIR.

MY NAME IS DAN O'NEILL.

I THINK I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN THIS LAST CAME TO THE CITY AND WAS DISAPPROVED.

AND, UM, ANYWAY, WE WENT ON APPEAL AND THAT WAS A BIG DEAL, UH, AT OUR TIME.

I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE SAME APPLICANT IS STILL HERE, UH, FOR, UH, THIS PROJECT.

IT ANSWERS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

SOME OF THE THINGS WE GET CONCERNED ABOUT IS YOU DISAPPROVE IT FOR ONE, BUT THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND DISAPPROVE IT FOR ANOTHER.

IT LEAVES, LIKE, LEAVES AN IMPRESSION THAT PERHAPS WE WE'RE DEALING THIS DEALING DIFFERENTLY, DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY.

BUT THIS IS THE SAME DEVELOPER AS BEFORE, SAME OWNER AS BEFORE.

THEY'VE OWNED IT, I GUESS ALMOST 25 YEARS, I THINK.

ANYWAY, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

BUT, UM, THEY HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS PROPOSAL.

OKAY? AND WHEN WE LISTEN TO MR. BOX MAKES HIS PRESENTATION, HE CALLED THIS, THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, HIT THE SITE PLAN, I THINK SIX OR SEVEN TIMES HE REFERRED ON THE SITE PLAN.

UH, I KNOW THAT MR. HUSS AND WHO'S, AND, UH, AND YOU AND THE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TYPICALLY LIKES TO SAY YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS SITE PLAN THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT, UH, MADAM COUNSELOR, UH, THERE ARE NO RULES THAT LIMIT THE INSTRUCTIONS ON WHAT WILL BE CONSIDERED IN THE PUD.

AND THERE IS NOTHING, UH, THAT, THAT SUBSTANTIATES THIS POLICY.

UH, I'M PRETTY SURE OF THAT.

BUT I, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO AT LEAST ADVISE COUNSEL AND, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

UH, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT, UH, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.

I'M GLAD TO SEE THERE IS SOME CONTINUITY THAT THE PERSON THAT ORIGINALLY GOT THIS, UH, PROPOSED AND WAS LATER, UH, DISAPPROVED IN COURT, IS BACK TRYING TO MAKE THINGS WORK.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS PROCESS IS ALL ABOUT, TRYING TO MAKE THINGS WORK.

UH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE VARIANCE, UH, FOR THE NORTH SIDE ENTRANCE.

IS THERE A VARIANCE FOR THE NORTH SIDE ENTRANCE? KEN, UH, DRIVE? THERE IS, YES.

THAT IS A SITE PLAN ISSUE THAT, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, IS, UH, IS IMPORTANT AND TO, TO PUT THAT THERE.

I I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THAT IS A MAJOR CONCERN.

I ALSO, UH, FEEL LIKE THAT WHEN THIS COMES FORESIGHT PLAN, UH, REVIEW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UH, BOTH THE STORM WATER BOARD LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE BECAUSE IT DOES INVOLVE OUR FLOODPLAIN AND CONSTRUCTION AND HAVING THEIR ASSURANCE THAT IT WAS OKAY WOULD BE HELPFUL.

AND THE THIRD THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS, UM, UH, THERE ARE SOME VARIANCES, AND I THINK THERE'S A VARIANCE FOR SETBACKS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.

I SEE NO REASON FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

UH, IT IS A SPARSELY POPULATED AREA, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT MAY CHANGE.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE.

THEY HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO DEVELOP AS IT IS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

I SEE NOTHING THAT WOULD BE IMPAIRED BY, BY, BY FOLLOWING OUR, OUR ORDINANCE FOR SETBACK.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE GARAGE.

THANK YOU, MR. O'NEILL.

ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? YEP.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S JEFF CARLSON.

I'M AT 34 20 RIVER DOWNS OVER IN STEEPLECHASE AS WELL.

UM, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

I KNOW THIS IS, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETIMES A THANKLESS POSITION WHERE PEOPLE GO, JUST COME UP AND GRAB A COMPLAINT.

SO I'LL TRY NOT TO DO THAT.

UM, I WAS RAISED BY A, A WRITER AND A PSYCHOLOGIST WHO BOTH TAUGHT ME HOW TO LAUGH, HAVE A, HAVE A, HAVE A GOOD STORY, BUT ALSO DO THE RIGHT THING.

AND I'M WONDERING RIGHT NOW, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT WE CAN DO THE RIGHT THING? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES? SOME OF THE COMMENTS UP HERE HAVE, HAVE BEEN STATED AS, AS IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED TO GO TO THIS PD.

UM, THE ANALOGY, MY MOM WAS A COOK.

SHE WAS A DARN GOOD COOK.

SHE STILL GOT A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR.

SHE CAN'T COOK ANYMORE.

YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO EAT IT.

UM, BUT SHE, SHE WOULD SAY THAT THIS CHANGES THE FLAVOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOW, STEEPLECHASE, WE'RE UP ABOUT A MILE OR SO, MAYBE TWO.

AND BETWEEN US AND HERE, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL, UH, GOING UP TOWARDS COVE, GOING UP

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ON COVE.

YOU'VE GOT THE COMMERCIAL THAT THE CREST WAS JUST PUT ON, AND THEN MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT DOWN ON ON SOONER, WHICH IS GREAT.

IT'S WHERE IT BELONGS.

UH, GOING DOWN BACKWARDS TOWARDS, UM, DANFORTH, THERE'S BIG PROPERTIES, BEAUTIFUL ESTATE, BEAUTIFUL HOMES, WHICH HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY AREN'T IMPACTED BY A DECISION THAT'S MADE FOR THIS CORNER TO ALSO MAKE THEM COMMERCIAL.

AND THEY CAN PROFIT BY GROWING AND CHANGING AS WELL.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS TO STAY THE SAME.

IT'S REALLY LIKE, UM, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S A FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL THERE RIGHT NOW.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE RIGHT NOW.

I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY OR DEVELOP IT SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE SOME MONEY.

I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE APPLICANTS, HAVING PURCHASED IT 25 YEARS AGO, COULD PROBABLY STILL MAKE A FAIR PROFIT IF THEY WERE TO KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL AND HAVE A LARGER PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PROPERTY VALUES GOING UP.

BUT TO CHANGE THIS TO A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, I LIKE LEMONADE, I LIKE OREOS AND MILK.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.

BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE YOUR LEMON AND SQUEEZE IT INTO OUR OREO AND MILK.

'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE FLAVOR OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

KEEP YOUR LEMON WITH THE LEMONADE.

LEAVE US OUR OREOS AND MILK.

AND I WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH THAT.

WE'VE GOT, I THINK THERE ARE BETWEEN 60 AND 70 PARKING SPACES ON THIS PROPOSAL.

UM, THE GENTLEMAN VERY WELL, VERY WELL SAID, UM, HE SAID, IT'S UNLIKELY THERE'S GONNA BE A FOURTH BUILDING.

HE DIDN'T SAY, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE.

HE SAID IT COULD INCLUDE A FOURTH BUILDING.

SO THIS KIND OF STUFF IS GONNA CHANGE.

AND, AND THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN SEE THAT WE CAN PREVENT THIS AND TO CHANGE, TO HAVE, TO PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM SQUEEZING A LEMON INTO OUR OREO, INTO OUR OREOS AND MILK FOR OUR FAMILIES OUT THERE, IS JUST TO PREVENT IT.

DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING.

UM, WHAT, FIVE, 10 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE DISPENSARIES OUT HERE.

WHAT'S GONNA COME UP IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT NOW? SO IF WE EXCLUDE DISPENSARIES, WHICH WAS A CONCERN OF MINE AS WELL, UH, AND, AND, UM, AND LIQUOR STORES AND, YOU KNOW, MECHANIC SHOPS WITH LOUD NOISES FILL IN THE BLANKS.

WHAT, WHAT ARE WE NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT WE CAN'T EXCLUDE THAT'S GONNA COME UP IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS? THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO PREVENT THAT.

AND IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YOU'RE LEASING OUT THE BUILDINGS OR THE LOCATIONS, THE OFFICES, WELL, IT'S PROFIT DRIVEN.

YOU'RE GONNA GIVE IT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.

AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING LIKE A DISPENSARY THAT'S EITHER NOT ADDRESSED OR FILL IN THE BLANK THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT NOW, IT CAN BECOME A PROBLEM.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD STATED IN HERE 45 FEET TALL, WHICH TELLS ME TWO OR THREE STORIES TALL, PERHAPS THAT WOULD ALSO CHANGE IT.

ALL OF THIS PUT TOGETHER REALLY SPEAKS TO MY CONCERN IS I'M IN EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT, AND I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF TRAVELING ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, DEALING WITH ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESS, INCLUDING CEOS, INCLUDING, UM, FRONTLINE WORKERS IN ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF COMMUNITIES.

AND THE ONE CONSTANT THAT I'VE SEEN, MY MY WIFE'S FATHER WAS A BUILDER.

MY BROTHER IS A BUILDER IN TELLURIDE.

AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THE BUILDERS I KNOW HAVE SAID, THIS WILL CHANGE THE FLAVOR.

DON'T CHANGE YOUR FLAVOR AND IT'LL ADD DOWN THE ROAD.

YOU'LL HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING IN SAYING THEY DID IT THERE AND YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IT FOR US.

AND I WANNA TAKE MY 10 ACRE PROPERTY AND REALLY DEVELOP IT BECAUSE I NEED TO MAKE THE MONEY.

I WOULD ASK THAT WE NOT CHANGE THE FLAVOR OF THIS, DO THE RIGHT THING, BECAUSE WHEN WE DO AND WE BRING IN TRAFFIC FROM THE HIGHWAY OR UP AT THE SHOWBIZ OR WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA BE GOING UP THERE NEAR THE CREST, AND PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA, GOOGLE SOMETHING CLOSEST, DISPENSARY CLOSEST FILL IN THE BLANK MASSAGE PARLOR, AND THEY COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU GOT OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL BE FINE.

AND SOME PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE WILL MAYBE BE LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY STEEPLE CHASE.

WE DON'T HAVE GATES ON OURS.

SO I THINK THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT HAD BEEN BROUGHT TO COURT AND, AND HAD LOST.

BUT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS PLEASE DON'T SQUEEZE LEMONADE INTO OUR GLASSES OF MILK.

LET US KEEP IT A COMMUNITY AREA AND, UH, LET US ENJOY OUR, OUR COOKIES SO THAT OUR KIDS CAN AS WELL.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? TANNER FIELDING, UM, 24 23 COBELL LANE.

UH, MOST OF MY CONSERVATIVE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT ALREADY, BUT, UM, I LIVED TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND I PLAN ON BUILDING A HOUSE PROBABLY 25 FEET TO, YOU KNOW, 30 FEET WILL BE THE GARAGE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THAT.

SO MY CONCERN IS HAVING ANY COMMERCIAL WITH THAT FLOOD ZONE THERE,

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UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT IT.

I LIVE AT 2,400 NORTH COLTRAN ROAD.

WE JUST BUILT OUR HOUSE TWO YEARS AGO.

I OBVIOUSLY AM NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THE FLOOD PLAIN, SO I WON'T DO THAT.

BUT I REALLY WISH YOU WOULD FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON, LIKE HE SAID, THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE HOMES THAT LINE THAT STREET.

WHEN YOU BUILD OFFICE BUILDINGS, IT TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.

I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE.

I ASKED WHAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT, WHAT EVERYTHING WAS PLANNED OUT FOR THOSE CORNERS.

THE GOLF COURSE IS BEAUTIFUL.

THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BEAUTIFUL.

WE DON'T NEED THE OFFICE PARKS.

WE HAVE I 35.

WE HAVE THE OFFICES, WE HAVE THE FOOD, WE HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED JUST A LITTLE BIT AWAY.

AND SO I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT YOU WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND MAYBE JUST EVEN DRIVE DOWN COLTRANE AND LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THIS WILL AFFECT OR THE HOMES THAT IT WILL AFFECT.

MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.

GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

MR. BOX, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ANSWER.

DID YOU WRITE IT ALL DOWN? DO YOU NEED HELP? SAY THAT AGAIN.

UH, I WROTE IT DOWN.

DID YOU WRITE IT DOWN? DO YOU NEED HELP? I TRIED.

THAT'S PRETTY LIGHT RETAIL FOR A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

UM, SO BRIEFLY THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS WHEN HE BOUGHT THIS, HE KNEW IT WAS IN A FLOOD ZONE.

UM, SO THAT'S INCORRECT.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, EDMOND CAME IN LATER WITH THEIR OWN ORDINANCE OVERLAYING THEIR OWN STUDY, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE FEMA FLOOD ZONE.

SO WHEN HE BOUGHT IT, HE HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DEVELOPABLE LAND.

ONCE EDMOND OVERLAID THEIR, THEIR FLOOD ZONE, HIS DEVELOPABLE LAND WAS ALMOST CUT IN HALF.

UM, SO THE VARIANCE, THE, THE VARIANCE PROCESS IS IN PLACE FOR SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE UNIQUE HARDSHIPS CREATED THAT WERE NOT SELF-CREATED, BUT CREATED BECAUSE THE UNIQUE SHAPE OR OR NATURE OF, UM, THE SPECIFIC SITE.

AND HERE I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, WE HAVE THAT, I THINK IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF THE CITY, THE PUBLIC AND, AND EVERYONE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON COLTRANE SPECIFICALLY, TO HAVE AN ACCESS POINT ON COVE, THE CITY WILL BE SPENDING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY WIDENING COVELL.

THIS IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

IT'LL BE A MAJOR INTERSECTION.

UH, MOVING INTO THE FUTURE, HAVING A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ACCESS POINT INSTEAD OF SHOVING ALL OF THE ACCESS POINTS ONTO COLTRANE IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF CIRCULATION ON THIS SITE.

THERE'S LITERALLY NOWHERE ELSE WE COULD PUT IT THOUGH.

THE, THE SITE IS NARROW AND WE HAVE PUT IT AS FAR EAST AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY PUT IT.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE USES THAT WERE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE USES, WE LIMIT IT AND WE SAY IN THE PUD, THE FOLLOWING USE SHALL BE THE ONLY USE IS PERMITTED.

AND THERE'S ONLY 14, UM, LIQUOR STORES AREN'T ON THEIR STAFF.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I I I DON'T KNOW THAT THE USES MENTIONED WOULD BE PERMITTED.

AM I WRONG IN THAT? WHERE, WHERE DOES THE CITY OF EDMUND PLACE THEIR, UM, WHERE MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES, UM, SO A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE USES THAT WERE MENTIONED THAT, UH, PEOPLE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT WOULD FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY OF RETAIL SALES AND SERVICE, INCLUDING THE MARIJUANA.

UH, YEAH.

SO I'M SURE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THAT'S A CONCERN TO, TO REMOVE.

SO, SO YOU COULD GET THAT ADDED TO THE PUD.

SURE.

I MEAN, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION AND YOU KEPT HEARING THAT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, TWO OF THE FOUR INTER OR UH, CORNERS OF THE INTERSECTION ARE E TWO OPEN DISPLAY.

YOUR MOST INTENSE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION THAT YOU HAVE.

THE OTHER ONE'S A GOLF COURSE.

SO, UH, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT YOU WOULD EVER SEE SOMEONE DEVELOP A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT A HARD CORNER OF WHAT IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION AT COVAL AND COLTRANE, ESPECIALLY ONCE THE CITY GETS DONE WIDENING THIS.

UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE GOT A CALL FROM, UM, A NEIGHBOR THAT HAPPENS TO KNOW ME AND I THINK WE HAD A GAS STATION LISTED.

HE ASKED, COULD YOU TAKE IT OUT? WE SAID, SURE.

SO WE STRUCK IT.

UM, WE HAVE TRIED TO LIMIT THE USES IN THIS PUD TO USES THAT ARE LIMITED IN NATURE, WHICH IS WHAT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS CALLING FOR.

IT'S USES THAT GO TO SERVE THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.

WE THINK WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ARE THOSE, SO 14 USES AN ART GALLERY, A CHILDCARE CENTER, COUNTRY CLUB, GOLF COURSE.

NOT SURE WHY WE HAVE IT ON THERE.

IT'S NOT LIKELY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COUNTRY CLUB OR A GOLF COURSE THERE.

UH, A GOVERNMENT FACILITY, A LIBRARY, A MUSEUM, A PUBLIC PRIVATE OR CHARTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, A PARK, A DEPARTMENT STORE, A MOVIE, THEATER OFFICE, RESTAURANT, RETAIL, AND A VET CLINIC.

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UH, BUT WE CAN TAKE OUT MARIJUANA USES IF THAT'S A CONCERN.

UM, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S GONNA WIDEN COVELL AT SOME POINT.

UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT THAT WIDENING IS GOING TO HELP WITH A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC.

IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT WE COME FORWARD WITH OUR SITE PLAN, UH, PROCESS UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT COVAL IS DONE.

BUT HAVING THE ENTITLEMENTS IN PLACE, WE THINK IS IMPORTANT.

UM, WE'VE COMMITTED TO MEET THE SENSITIVE BORDER STANDARD.

WE DO ASK FOR A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN THE SETBACK, BUT WE COMMIT IN THE PED THAT WE WILL MEET THE SENSITIVE BORDER, UH, STANDARD.

SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THE ZONING APPROPRIATE? ARE THE USES THAT WE PROPOSE IN THIS PUD APPROPRIATE FOR THE DESIGNATION OF THE SITE UNDER THE COMP PLAN, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS NOW AND THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS PROJECTED IN THE FUTURE? 'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION WHERE YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE COMMERCIAL, YOU'D EXPECT TO SEE RETAIL THAT IS IN THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS.

THE REASON BEING THE SALES TAX GENERATED GO TO PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND FIXED STREETS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITIZENS EXPECT WHEN THEY LIVE IN A COMMUNITY LIKE EDMOND.

SO WE THINK ON BALANCE THAT THERE IS NOTHING BUT POSITIVE THAT WILL COME FROM THIS.

YES, THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS OR OTHER CORNERS OF THE INTERSECTION SHOW AS VACANT, BUT IT WON'T BE LONG TILL THE E TWO STUFF DEVELOPS SPECIFICALLY THAT NORTHWEST CORNER.

UM, SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SUPPORTED BY YOUR COMPETENCE PLAN, WHICH IS WHY YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I THINK I'VE TOUCHED ON, BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, CORRECT ME.

SO THE ONLY THINGS TO TOUCH ON OF WHICH ARE SITE PLAN, BUT, UH, MS. CALDWELL ASKED ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION DRIVE BEHIND THE BUILDINGS, UM, STORM WATER SETBACKS, BUT YOU DID THAT.

SO, SO IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, WE'LL MEET YOUR CODE.

YOUR CODE DOES A GOOD JOB OF PROTECTING NEARBY RESIDENTS.

UM, SCREEN REGULATIONS, WE SAY THAT WE HAVE TO MEET CODES, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE SITE PROOF SCREEN BETWEEN OUR SITE AND THE RESIDENTS.

WE WILL SHOW THE DETAILS OF THAT AT SITE PLAN, BUT WE DON'T SEEK TO MODIFY YOUR LANDSCAPING CODE, YOUR SCREENING REGULATIONS OR YOUR LIGHTING REGULATIONS.

I THINK THAT WAS IT, OTHER THAN I THINK THE, THE REQUEST WAS, UM, AND THE SPECIFIC OF WHAT COULD BE THERE, IT WAS WEED, ALCOHOL, VAPE, AND TOBACCO WERE THE THREE THAT WERE .

SO WE ALREADY, I DON'T, I THINK YOUR, YOUR LIQUOR SALES IS A SPECIFIC UNIT.

IT CORRECT IN SOME DISTRICTS, BUT IN THE PUD IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

TO BE SPECIFIC, WE, SO YEAH, WE CAN SAY NO LIQUOR STORE, THOSE WEED, NO DISPEN, NO LIQUOR, VAPE, VAPE, TOBACCO, MASSAGE, MASSAGE, .

WE, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER MASSAGE.

YEAH, I DON'T, IT'S NOT ALLOWED ANYWAYS, BUT YES, NO MASSAGE, UH, AND NO VAPE.

WE CAN MAKE, I MEAN IF THE, IF THE COMMISSION WERE INCLINED, A MOTION COULD BE CONDITIONED UPON THAT AND WE CAN MODIFY THE PUD UH, THIS WEEK.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

I KNOW, UH, MR. BOX, YOU'VE HAD, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

MM-HMM.

SO OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT, UH, ANY CHANGES, UH, YOU COULD COME HERE WITH A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF UP TO 15 HOUSES.

12 TO 15 HOUSES IN THAT AREA, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

SO, UH, TRAFFIC WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT SIMILAR TRAFFIC, SO THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE, CORRECT.

TO MAINTAIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT WAS IT, OREO JUICE OR OREO? YEAH.

UH, SO YOU WOULD HAVE 12 TO 15 HOUSES IN THAT AREA.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO SAY WHEN YOU WEIGH THE TWO.

I'M, I'M JUST, 'CAUSE I LIKE TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES, LIKE HE WAS SAYING, WHAT IS THE BEST USE, WHAT IS THE, UM, AND IT, IT COULD BE HOUSES, BUT THEY WOULD, SOMEONE COULD PUT 12 TO 15 HOUSES ON YEAH.

AT A, AT A MINIMUM.

UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU THINK OF THE, THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT AT A HARD CORNER LIKE THIS, IT, IT, IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A, UM, PRODUCTION HOME BUILDER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAX OUT DENSITY THAT UNDOUBTEDLY WOULD NEED ACCESS ON BOTH THE NORTH, UM, AND THAT WEST.

SO I DON'T KNOW FROM A, FROM AN IMPACT STANDPOINT THAT IT'S ANY BETTER.

UM, WE THINK HAVING SERVICE ORIENTED TYPE OF USES WITH LIMITATIONS PROVIDED IN THE POD IS A BETTER ALTERNATIVE.

THANK YOU MR. BUCKS.

WE'RE, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG OR CORRECT, YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND TO MAKE SURE THE, WHEN WE APPROVE, LET'S, LET'S SAY WE TALK ABOUT SETBACKS HERE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

WELL, I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION FOR MR. BRIAN.

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SO IF WE'RE TALKING TO SETBACKS IN THIS PD DOES THAT OVERRIDE WHEN IT COMES UP TO SIDE PLAN REGARDING THE, UM, IF IT'S PROPOSED F 50, BUT MAYBE WE'VE SAID WE'RE NOT, WE WANNA DISCUSS IT AS SIDE PLAN, UH, REGARDING THAT SENSITIVE BORDER SLASH THE SETBACK ON THE REAR.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, IF IT'S SPECIFIED IN THE PUD, DOES THAT OVERRIDE THE KIND OF THE SIDE PLAN WHEN IT COMES TO THAT POINT? IS THAT NO LONGER A VARIANCE? I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

SO THE, THE, THE PUD, THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS EITHER, UH, THE PLANNING OR SITE PLAN PROCESS, COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN, THE, THE PUD WILL GOVERN, UM, ALL OF THOSE DETAILS.

IT, YOU KNOW, SO IF IT SAYS THE SETBACK IS WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'S WHAT THE SITE PLAN WILL HAVE TO, UM, ABIDE BY.

NOW, IF IT'S SILENT ON SOMETHING AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MEET THE CURRENT CODE MM-HMM THEN, THEN WE GO TO THE CODE TO, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THAT'S WHAT THE VARIANCE AT THAT POINT AND DON'T HAVE ANY MORE VARIANCES.

IT WOULDN'T BE VARIANCE.

YEAH, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE, UNLESS IT WAS SILENT TO IT IN THE PUD, THEN IT BECOMES A VARIANCE COMPARED TO CITY CODE.

THAT'S TECHNICALLY TRUE.

BUT WE, WE WORK REALLY HARD WITH APPLICANTS TO NOT, NOT VARY THOSE RULES WHEN IT COMES TO A PUD.

SO WE, WE LIKE YOU TO BE HELD TO YOUR PUD.

RIGHT.

UM, BECAUSE IF YOU NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT, THE PROCESS IS GO MODIFY OR GET A DIFFERENT PUD.

UM, SO IT'S THE, THE IDEA OF HAVING TO HAVE VARIANCE IN A SITE PLAN WHERE ZONING IS THE PUI WE DO THE PD FIRST.

YES.

WE'RE IN LIKE REALLY TECHNOCRAT LAND HERE, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE, WE WANT, WE WANT THAT'S, WE HOLD THAT SITE PLAN TO THE PUD.

YOU HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM NOT TO HAVE.

SO MR. BOX, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT ABOUT THE SETBACKS WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.

MM-HMM, , UM, I REALLY WOULD, I, MY MY PERSONAL OPINION, IT SHOULD MEET CODE ON THAT SETBACKS, JUST SO YOU KNOW.

UM, I THINK THE 70 FOOT'S APPROPRIATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

SO I KNOW THAT IT'S HARD AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK THAT FLOOD PLANT'S ISSUE AND WHEN THEY COME TO WIDEN THOSE STREETS, IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.

UM, SO TO ME IT'S EITHER STAY SILENT TO IT OR YOU COMING NOW AND, AND, AND FOR MY OPINION, SAY, SAY IT AGAIN.

THE STATE, THE SETBACKS.

I THINK THE 70 FOOT HAVING A VARIANCE TO THAT TO 50 FOOT.

I DON'T LOVE HAVING A COMMERCIAL BUMP UP TO RESIDENTIAL IF IT'S COMMERCIAL TO OTHER COMMERCIAL DIFFERENT STORY IN MY OPINION.

UM, SO MY COMMENTS WOULD BE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BACK TO THE 70.

I KNOW IT COULD, IT COULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOW YOU FIT THESE BUILDINGS ON THERE.

BUT THAT'S TO ME THE, THE, THE IDEA OF HAVING RESIDENTIAL, LIKE COMMERCIAL BUMPING UP TO RESIDENTIAL ON BOTH SIDES.

IS THERE A PATH WHERE WE COULD, UM, DEFER THAT TO THE SITE PLAN SO THAT WE COULD SHOW YOU HOW AT SITE PLAN WE'RE ABLE TO, IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE LISTENING TO MR. BRYAN, HE'D RATHER NOT HAVE IT SILENT.

'CAUSE IF TO STAY SILENT NOW IN THE PUD THEN IT'S A CONVERSATION IN AT SITE PLAN SLASH PLATTING IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY.

OR IF YOU DO IT AND STATE IT NOW, IT'S NO LONGER AN ISSUE AS LONG, IT'S NOT A VARIANCE TO THE PUD.

AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT? DID YOU FOLLOW? YEAH, I'M FOLLOWING THAT.

UM, YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S GENERALLY CORRECT.

CORRECT.

AND THE SENSITIVE BORDER YARD IS A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, AND AGAIN, WE'RE IN MINUTIA, BUT THE, OUR SENSITIVE BORDER OR TABLE DOESN'T HAVE PUD AS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE DISTRICTS THAT HAS THAT SENSITIVE BORDER YARD IN IT.

SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE, THEY'VE TRIED TO TAKE, UH, MANY OF THEM ARE 70 FEET, SO THAT'S WHY THIS KIND OF 70 FEET IS BEING DISCUSSED.

SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS TRIED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REACT TO THE 70 FEET AND SAY, WELL WE MAY, THERE ARE, THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE CODE FOR REDUCING THAT 70 IF YOU DO CERTAIN THINGS, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SHAVE 10 FEET OFF IT HERE OR THERE.

UM, SO I THINK THEY'VE TRIED TO BE REACTIVE TO THAT.

UM, I THINK AS WE GO FORWARD INTO SITE PLAN, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE MORE HELPFUL FOR STAFF IF THE PUD SAID WHAT THOSE SETBACKS ARE GONNA BE ON THAT SENSITIVE BORDER.

RIGHT.

SO MY ONLY POINT IS WE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO, TO DO 50 IN A SITE PLAN, SHOW YOU A LANDSCAPING PACKAGE AND A LIGHTING PACKAGE THAT SAYS, OKAY, WELL I'M NOT CONCERNED ANYMORE.

SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, WHICH I, I MEAN, I GET, I THE LIGHTING PACKAGE DOESN'T, HAVEN'T BUILT STUFF BEFORE AND HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH ON YOUR SIDE AND HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE NEW LIGHTS ANYMORE.

THEY COMPLETELY DO AWAY WITH THAT.

THE ED LIGHTING'S INSANELY GOOD ABOUT THAT.

THE, THE, THE BORDER OF BEING 50 FEET, I DON'T LOVE, WE JUST DID ONE DOWN THE STREET.

IT WAS 70 IF NOT MORE, MORE THAN THAT AT COBELL AND SOONER.

UM, AND SO FOR, SO TO ME, I I I, I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING IT LESS THAN 70 UP TO THE RESIDENTIAL ON THAT PIECE.

AND THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE WOULD BE THE COLTRANE ENTRANCE.

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I MEAN, I DON'T LOVE THE VARIANCE OF THREE.

I LIKE THE, I GET, I TOTALLY GET COBELL.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE VARIANCE FOR THE ENTRANCE THERE.

I GET IT.

I DON'T LOVE THE HAVING THE VARIANCE WHEN IT'S ONLY 15 FEET ON THE COLTRANE FEE PIECE.

SO, SO YEAH.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THE OUTSIDE VERY WELL.

I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW THE TERRAIN.

IT'S, YEAH.

I DRIVE BY IT A LOT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE ENGINE.

I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT, AND IT'S TRYING TO GET IT AS FAR AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION.

WELL, YOU NEED IT FAR AWAY.

'CAUSE THAT'S A BUSY I KNOW, RIGHT.

BUT I'M SHOWING A SECONDARY ENTRANCE YOU HAVE AT THE END AS WELL.

JUST, I KNOW IT'S ROUGH, BUT I MEAN, TO BE ABLE, I THINK TO MAKE IT, UM, MARKETABLE AND LEASEABLE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TWO ACCESS POINTS.

SURE.

ON ONTO THERE.

UM, SO THE DIFFICULT POSITION THAT I'M IN IS MY CLIENT'S NOT HERE.

MY ENGINEER'S NOT HERE.

SO I'M A ONE MAN BAND.

RIGHT.

UM, I'M CHECKING MY EMAIL TO SEE IF THEY'RE FOLLOWING ONLINE.

GOTCHA.

AND AWKWARDLY TAKING TIME WHILE I'M DOING IT.

UH, AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THE, THE 70 UH, SLASH 50.

WELL, SOME FOLKS MAY ASK SOME OTHER CONVERSATIONS IF THEY WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS WHILE YOU MAYBE WAIT FOR SOMETHING, BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

WELL, I HAD ASKED KEN BEFORE, UH, AND THERE IS, UH, THEY, THEY REDUCED IT TO 60 BEFORE BASED ON LANDSCAPING.

IS THAT CORRECT? ONE OF THE PROVISIONS FOR REDUCING THE YARD IS TO DO A LAND, A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

YES.

BUT IF YOU PUT 70 IN THERE TODAY, YOU CAN'T REDUCE IT TO 60 WITH THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AT, AT, AT, AT THAT TIME.

SO THAT THERE'S THE HARD PART FOR DAVID.

THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

WELL, MAYBE WE DO, I MEAN, IF, IF MAYBE I'LL JUST MAKE AN EXECUTIVE DECISION IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR 60 AND THEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE OUTFALL.

CAN I DO A SHORT BREAK? CALL THIS CLIENT.

OKAY, LET'S DO THIS.

I'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE BREAK.

YOU CAN GO CALL YOUR CLIENT AND I'LL, WELL, I'D RATHER HAVE A VOTE AND, AND LET'S JUST MOVE ON.

SO I'LL, YOU WANNA TO CALL THE CLIENT AND THEN COME BACK? WE CAN FIVE MINUTES? NO, I'LL JUST SAY 60 IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S APPETITE FOR 60, THEN I COULD WE'LL DO THAT.

WE HAVE ONE.

I KNOW YOU SAID ONE.

I KNOW YOU SAID ONE, BUT YOU SAID 57 TIMES TO SAY SOMETHING.

YOU, YOU CAN'T YOU YEAH, YOU CAN'T TALK FROM THERE.

SORRY.

IT'S ONE, BUT I, I DO.

WELL, YOU DON'T, MR. BOX, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE A SECOND TO CALL YOUR CLIENT.

IF NOT, AND WHILE HE'S LOOKING, LET'S DO THE 70 AND IF THE 70 DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL COME BACK.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND IF IN THAT MOTION NEEDS TO INCLUDE THE THREE OTHER THREE, UM, BUSINESSES LISTED.

SO WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

YEAH, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

WE GOTTA SAY ALL THAT STUFF.

, I'LL ME DO IT.

YEAH, YOU GOT IT.

BRIAN.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH AMENDING THE SETBACKS BACK TO 70 FEET IN LINE WITH, UH, CITY, UM, CODE, ALSO HAVING A PROHIBITATION OR PROHIBITING THE VAPING TOBACCO, MARIJUANA, CANNABIS RELATED INDUSTRIES, ALCOHOL, MASSAGE AND MASSAGE.

I THINK I GOT THOSE COVERED.

AND WITH THOSE CONDITIONS I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE.

I ENTERTAIN A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

JUDGE MOVES FORWARD THREE TO ONE AND THAT'LL BE HEARD.

CITY COUNCIL MAY 28TH.

AGAIN, THAT'S A TUESDAY.

NOT A TYPICAL MONDAY.

MM-HMM.

AND WE WILL MOVE

[B. Case #Z23-00022 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “D-2” Neighborhood Commercial & “A” Single-Family to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for Edmond 103, on the south side of W 2nd Street, between Madison and Walnut. (South 80 Homes, LLC) (Ward 1)]

ON TO THREE B.

CASE NUMBER Z TWO THREE DASH 0 0 0 2 2.

PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM D TWO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND A SINGLE FAMILY TO PUD PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR EDMOND 1 0 3.

I'LL HOLD FOR A SECOND WHILE THEY'RE CLOSING THAT DOOR.

OKAY, I'LL START BACK OVER.

CASE NUMBER Z TWO THREE DASH 0 0 0 2 2.

PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM D TWO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND A SINGLE FAMILY TO PUD PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR EDMOND 1 0 3 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST SECOND STREET BETWEEN MADISON AND WALNUT SOUTH 80 HOMES.

LLC IS APPLICANT HERE.

AND THEN, UH, INWARD ONE.

SO LET KEN, I'LL LET LET KEN EXPLAIN FIRST, UH, FALLON BROOKS MAGNETS.

OKAY, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

OUR CITY PLANNER WILL GO FIRST AND YOU'LL COME UP.

REQUIRED TO IMPROVE THE EXISTING ALLEY TO ALLOW RESIDENTS ACCESS.

UM, YES, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING MODIFICATION TO THE ZONING MAP FROM, UH, ZONING, UH, THE CURRENT ZONING'S D TWO AND THEN A SINGLE FAMILY TO A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THE PUD WOULD ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF 32 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, INCLUDING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ON THE EXISTING PLATTED LOTS.

THE APPLICANT WILL BE

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THE APPLICANT WILL CONSTRUCT A NEW SIDEWALK AND CURBS TO CLOSE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ON SECOND NEARBY ZONING USES INCLUDE PRIMARILY A WITH A MIX OF D TWO, E ONE AND E TWO ALSO IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.

THE EDMOND PLAN CATEGORIZES THIS LOCATION AS URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH ENVISIONS A VARIETY OF LIVING OPTIONS BETWEEN MORE INTENSE DOWNTOWN AREAS AND LESS INTENSE SUBURBAN AREAS.

THE AREA SHOULD BE HIGHLY WALKABLE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU MR. BRIAN.

UH, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNER? OKAY, APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE YOUR EXPLANATION? DO I NEED TO COMMENT? YEP.

YOUR TURN OR DO YOU TO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME I HAVE TO, YOU DON'T WANT TO, THAT'S OKAY.

UH, FALLON BROOKS MAGNETS JOLLY BIRD DESIGN.

UM, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

IT SEEMS LIKE I DON'T NEED TO BE UP HERE, .

THAT'S FINE.

YOU CAN SAY YOU DID A GOOD JOB AND SIT DOWN IF YOU WANT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO REDO IT.

PERFECT.

UM, ARE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. O'NEILL? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

MY NAME'S DAN O'NEILL.

UM, IS THERE GOING TO BE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ON THIS? THEY CALL 'EM A DS.

KEITH, WE'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER.

THE REST OF THE KEEP GOING.

WE'LL GET 'EM ALL ANSWERED THE SAME TIME.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER THOSE, THEN FINES, I DON'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

THE APPLICANT WILL ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AFTER YOU ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS.

THAT'S HOW IT'S ALWAYS WORKED.

DAN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.

I WANTED TO KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T PUT ANY SIDEWALKS.

I'VE SEEN SIDEWALK, UH, SIDEWALKS.

ARE THERE, UH, DRIVEWAYS THROUGH THE ADDITION? UH, I I THINK THAT, UH, THIS HAS THE 30 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT UP FRONT, WHICH IS GOOD.

AND IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE A VARIANCE I DON'T THINK, ON THE FRONT SETBACK.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT PARKING IS LIKE.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS.

AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES? THEY SAY THEY ONLY HAVE TO HAVE ONE PER UNIT, I THINK ON THIS ONE OR, OR ANOTHER ONE.

I'M NOT SURE THE, THE FOLLOWING ONE, BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS I HAVE.

UH, JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON IT.

IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING ON MAIN STREET AND, UH, CASTLE ROCK SEEMS TO BE DOING A GOOD JOB ON THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE HOW, HOW THIS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT AND, AND WHY THERE'S NOT ANY DRIVEWAYS FROM THE FRONT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? IF NOT APPLICANT, CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FROM MR. O'NEILL? I THINK HE JUST HAD OVERALL QUESTIONS OF ACCESSORY BUILDING SIDEWALKS AND BASICALLY JUST WHAT'S IN YOUR POD.

YEAH, SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE, SO THE ORIGINAL PLAT, ALL OF THE LOTS WERE 25 FEET WIDE AND THERE WAS A 13 FOOT ALLEY IN THE REAR.

UM, SO WE ARE BRINGING BACK THE IDEA OF THE ALLEY.

UM, BUT WE HAVE TO SHIFT IT NORTH, SO WE'RE CUTTING PRETTY DEEP INTO OUR LOTS.

UM, SO WE OFFERED TWO OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA BUILD IN HERE.

SOME OF THESE WILL BE CUSTOM, UM, AND WE'RE ALLOWING THE OPTION OF AN A DU.

AND WHEN THERE'S THE OPTION OF AN A DU, IT HAS TO BE SET FURTHER BACK INTO THE LOT TO ALLOW FOR PARKING OFF STREET FOR BOTH UNITS.

SO TWO SPACES IN THE GARAGE, TWO SPACES BEHIND IT.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

UH, THERE'S A 22 FOOT DRIVE AISLE THAT'S GOING TO THE SOUTH, AND THEN ALL OF THE POWER POLES WILL GO JUST SOUTH OF THAT ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE ALLEY.

UH, AND THAT'S IF, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, BUT IF ANYBODY, IF IT'S IN THE PACKET.

SO YES, IT WAS IN THE PACKET.

AND THE SIDEWALK LOOKED TO BE ALL THE WAY AROUND EXCEPT FOR THE ALLEY OF COURSE.

SO WALNUT MADISON SECOND.

YEP.

UH, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? UH, DO YOU HAVE A, UH, A FRONT ELEVATION AT ALL? NO, I DIDN'T DO THE DESIGN ON THIS.

I'M JUST DOING THE ZONING.

SO, UH, THEIR TYPICAL SORT OF ROW HOUSES, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND ALREADY, THE LARK.

UM, AND VARIOUS OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

IS THE, UH, THE SPACE BETWEEN THE HOUSES, IS THAT A SIDEWALK OR IS THAT A DRIVEWAY? IT'S JUST SPACE BETWEEN THE HOUSES.

THAT'S, WE HAD TO PROVIDE A PLAN.

WE HAD TO PROVIDE A DRAINAGE PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT THE ARROW GENERAL DRAINAGE PLAN.

, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOPE.

DAN, I HAVE

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ONE MORE THEN.

HAVE WE, HOW MANY TIMES HAS I SAID TODAY YOU GET ONE CHANCE, I THOUGHT, WHY ARE YOU THE ONLY ONE THAT GETS TWO DAN O'NEILL AGAIN? UH, 1 0 1 STONY TRAIL.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS IS WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN EDMOND THAT SAYS WE CAN'T PUT A BUSINESS AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOODS IF THERE'S A SENSITIVE, SENSITIVE BORDER.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO THAT SETBACK OF 70 FOOT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

THIS IS, THIS WAS NORMALLY NOT THE INTENTION.

NORMALLY WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING ALREADY ZONED, UH, COMMERCIAL, WE DON'T EVER CHANGE IT BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, THERE'S BEEN A REAL PROTECTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL TO SAVE ALL THE COMMERCIAL THAT WE HAVE.

BUT HALF OF THIS PROJECT HERE IS ZONE DO.

IS D TWO RE RURAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL? D TWO IS, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A COMMERCIAL AREA.

FOR RETAIL.

UH, SO IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT COMMERCIAL AGAINST NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE WANNA TRY TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRIVACY AND, AND PROPERTY VALUES, WHY DO WE WANT TO APPROVE PUTTING HOMES RIGHT UP AGAINST COMMERCIAL? OKAY.

NORMALLY WE DON'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM .

NORMALLY, WE'RE NOT OUT HERE REZONING THE PROJECT FROM COMMERCIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

NORMALLY WE'RE NOT STICKING IT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BACK OF A BUILDING THAT'S AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.

THAT'S NOT NORMALLY WHERE WE STICK HOMES, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

UH, THERE IS NO SETBACK, THERE IS NO PRIVACY, THERE IS NO PROTECTION.

UH, IT IS REALLY, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THERE AND SEEN THIS, THIS IS REALLY AN OBSCENE AREA FOR HOMES.

UH, THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THE FRONT OF THE BUSINESS DON'T CARE WHAT THEIR BACK LOOKS LIKE.

THEY DON'T EVER SEE IT.

THERE'S NOT EVEN A UTILITY BILL, UH, DIALS AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING LIKE THEY HAVE IN A LOT OF COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

UH, AND FOR US TO STICK SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WHERE WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RAISE FAMILIES, UH, IN AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE BACKED UP AGAINST, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING WITH ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON OVER THERE.

UH, IT'S JUST NOT THE CHARACTER THAT WE LIKE TO THINK IS AN EDMOND RESIDENTIAL AREA.

UH, AND WE HAVE THE ZERO LOT LINE UP FRONT, ZERO LOT LINE UP FRONT.

UH, THEY, THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA PUT SOME TREES IN THERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S EVEN IN THE PUD.

UH, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT PUTTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OF THIS DENSITY RIGHT AGAINST AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING WITH STEEL ROOFS OVER OVERSHADOWING THE HOUSES.

UH, IT'S JUST TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE.

AND, UH, I WOULD DISCOURAGE US FROM CHANGING SOME FORESIGHT THAT WE HAD TO REZONE THIS COMMERCIAL, UH, SOME TIME BACK AND LEAVE IT COMMERCIAL AND NOT REZONE IT TO SINGLE FAMILY.

I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE DOING OTHER PROJECTS, UH, UP THERE AND THAT THEY, THEY'RE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

YEP.

UH, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT STYLE OF HOUSING THAN WE'RE USED TO SEEING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND UH, BUT OF ALL THE PLACES, THIS ONE IN MAIN STREET AND SUBER, UH, ADDITIONS, WE REALLY NEED TO THINK THIS THROUGH AND HAVE AN URBAN RENEWAL PROJECT LIKE WE DID DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA CITY, WHERE WE LITERALLY GO IN AND MANAGE THIS PROJECT AND HAVE A PLAN FOR IT RATHER THAN JUST STICKING HOUSES RANDOMLY WHERE THEY DON'T FIT.

DAN.

YOU, YOU CAN RESPOND IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

DO I NEED TO? NO, YOU DO NOT.

I DON'T HAVE TO.

BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND THE COMMERCIAL.

NOPE.

SO AT THIS POINT WE ARE PAST DOUBLE PAST, UM, OUR, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

SO ANY QUESTIONS BY PLAN COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR CITY PLANNER? YEAH, JUST ONE I WAS READING THROUGH HERE.

SO THE PUD DOES MENTION THAT ADMIN PLAN 2018, UM, WHICH IS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DESIGNATE THIS AS URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS APPEARS TO CONFORM WITH EXACTLY WHAT THAT PLAN WANTS.

UM, AND THERE APPEARS ALSO TO BE A PUBLIC ALLEY

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THAT'S TO THE SOUTH.

I MEAN, I'M CORRECT IN SAYING THAT, MR. BRIAN.

I BELIEVE BOTH THOSE THINGS ARE CORRECT.

ITEM CASE NUMBER Z TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 2 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO PUD PLAN UNION DEVELOPMENT FOR 6 0 7 WEST SECOND STREET, LOCATED NORTHWEST OF WEST SECOND AND STATE CASTLE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND THAT OMINOUS PROOF FOUR TO NOTHING.

AND WE'LL MOVE TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL MAY 28TH, TUESDAY.

AGAIN, A REMINDER NOT MONDAY.

AND LAST AGENDA

[D. Case #Z24-00002 Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “A” Single-Family to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for 607 West 2nd Street, located northwest of West 2nd and State. (Castle Custom Homes LLC) (Ward 1) ]

UH, CUSTOM HOMES LLC IS HERE.

OKAY, HERE.

MR. BRIAN? YES SIR.

UH, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MODIFICATION OF THE ZONING MAP FROM A TO PUD PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THE PUD WOULD ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES INCLUDING EITHER TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS OR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH ACCESSORY UNITS ON THREE PLATTED LOTS.

THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO IMPROVE THE EXISTING ALLEY TO ALLOW ACCESS.

THE APPLICANT WILL CONSTRUCT A NEW SIDEWALK NEARBY ZONING AND USES INCLUDE PRIMARILY A WITH A MIX OF D ONE C TWO AND RESIDENTIAL PUDS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.

THE EDMOND PLAN CATEGORIZES THIS LOCATION AS URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH ENVISIONS A VARIETY OF LIVING OPTIONS BETWEEN THE MORE INTENSE DOWNTOWN AREA AND LESS INTENSE SUBURBAN AREAS.

THE AREA SHOULD BE HIGHLY WALKABLE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU MR. BRIAN.

UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS? , DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR THE CITY PLANNER OR FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE.

YEAH, JUST A MINUTE.

DO YOU HAVE A ELEVATION ON THIS? WHAT IS YOUR ELEVATION? THE FRONT ELEVATION LOOK LIKE.

I BELIEVE WE DID HAVE ONE ELEVATION IN THE BACK.

DID WE NOT? ARE THEY LIKE YOUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS? YES.