May 28, 2024 City Council Workshop - Fiscal Year 2024-25 Budget Hearing

SO THE REASON FOR, YOU SAID A BUFFER, UM, DO YOU MEAN TO KIND OF GIVE PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME NOTICE THAT IN SIX MONTHS THERE WILL BE A FEE INCREASE THAT YOU'LL SEE OF $3 OR WHAT HAVE YOU? I WAS JUST KIND OF, YEAH, YOU SAID BUFFER AND I WOULDN'T YEAH, JUST WANTED YOU TO KIND OF FLUSH OUT THE REASONING.

SO YEAH.

SO TYPICALLY OUR WATER WA WASTEWATER RATE FEE INCREASES ARE USUALLY NOVEMBER 1ST.

UM, WE KIND OF WANNA STAGGER THAT OUT A BIT.

I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS HAD ASKED LAST TIME, UH, ABOUT TRYING TO GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO KIND OF GET USED TO THE IDEA AND PUT THINGS IN PLACE THAT THEY NEEDED TO.

OKAY, THANKS.

IT'S INTERESTING.

OUT OF ALL THE ISSUES THAT I THOUGHT I'D BE CONTACTED ON, THIS IS THE ONE THAT I GET A LOT OF CONTACTS ON THAT I KNEW A LITTLE ABOUT, BUT SEEMS TO IMPACT OUR ENTIRE CITY FROM OLDER AREAS.

UM, AND IT'S, AS YOU EXPLAINED, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ORDINANCES OR PRE ORDINANCES, BEST PRACTICES THAT ARE NO LONGER BEST PRACTICES, CITIZENS OR OTHER AREAS THAT DECIDED TO GO OUT AND ENGINEER THINGS ON THEMSELVES WITHOUT SUBMITTING PLANS OR DOING CERTAIN THINGS.

UH, I ALSO THINK THE REALITY IS HOAS WHO DO A GREAT JOB MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTIES AND HAVING GOOD PLACES TO LIVE TEND AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, DON'T ANTICIPATE OR DON'T HAVE CAPITALIZATION OF, YOU KNOW, CAP ON HAND OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PLUS OR OTHER THINGS TO DO THIS PROJECT.

AS I DIG INTO IT, A COUPLE THINGS STAND OUT.

ONE IS, WAS IT, I FORGET THE EXACT DATE.

WAS IT 20 2007 LAST TIME WE RAISED THIS? YES.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, I THINK THAT'S HOW WE GOT INTO THIS WELL HOLE A LITTLE BIT IS EVERYONE PROBABLY PERCEIVED IT WAS AN ISSUE, BUT IT WASN'T QUITE AS BIG.

AND NOW WERE SOME ALMOST 15, 20 YEARS LATER LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, A DOUBLE OR A TRIPLE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

UM, SO WHEN I WENT THROUGH ALL THE INFORMATION OVER THE WEEKEND AND LOOKED AT IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE A DISCUSSION ON WOULD BE TO RAISE IT IN SOME FASHION.

I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF DOUBLING IT RIGHT OUT, BUT TO RAISE IT IN SOME FASHION.

BUT I WOULD LIKE THE IDEA OF EVERY YEAR, EITHER IF IT'S 75 CENTS OR A DOLLAR, IT GOES UP UNTIL A FUTURE COUNCIL SAYS WE'RE GOOD.

INSTEAD OF THE REVERSE, WHICH IS EVERY 15 YEARS, IT KIND OF BUBBLES UP TO THE SURFACE.

SO WE HAVE IN PLACE GRADUATED, BUT IT'S LESS OF AN IMPACT YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO, BUT IT'S GRADUATED UP UNTIL THERE'S A STUDY OR SOME INFORMATION THAT SAYS THAT 50 75 CENTS OR A DOLLAR NEEDS TO BE LESS OR NOT AT ALL.

UH, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT IN A PICKLE, WHICH PROBABLY WON'T EVEN BE US.

IT'LL BE COMPLETELY NEW, FIVE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE, YOU KNOW, WELL INTO THE FUTURE THAT CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

SO I THINK PART OF IT IS GETTING IT RIGHT TODAY.

THE OTHER PART IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO SET IT UP SO THAT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE AND KINDER TO FUTURE COUNCILS AND TO OUR COMMUNITY LONG TERM? I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT.

I KNOW WE HAVE HOAS THAT HAVE ISSUES.

UM, SOME ARE TAKING OUT LOANS, OTHERS, UM, ARE GOING AND RAISING RATES.

THEY STILL DON'T QUITE HAVE ENOUGH TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE EVEN HAVE LIKE A SMALL MATCH FUND OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HEY, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE OFFICIAL PROCESS, SO IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, LISA AND TIM OUT THERE WITH RAKES AND SHOVELS AND BOULDERS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE SITUATION FOR THEIR AREA, BUT IT'S A SUBMITTED PLAN THAT HAS ENGINEERING APPROVAL.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL PAY UP TO ATTEND, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF MATCH OR OF SOME DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THE FUTURE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN END GOAL OF MINE FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT.

DO WE KNOW, UM, ON THE GIS STUDY, IS THAT A ONE AND DONE OR HAVE WE TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION SORT OF THE ANNUAL DOLLARS THAT'LL BE NEEDED TO EITHER LICENSE IT, MAINTAIN IT, OR TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT DATA? DOES IT NEED, UH, ADDITIONAL HEAD COUNT? LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S THE, WHAT WAS IT, 2 MILLION? I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT INCLUDED SORT OF THE ICEBERG AND THEN EVERYTHING ABOVE BELOW IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE THE LICENSES FOR GIS.

SO AS FAR AS OUR, OUR ANNUAL FEES, THOSE, THOSE HAVE GONE UP SOMEWHAT IN THE PAST JUST BECAUSE ADDITIONAL STAFF IS BEING FUNDED BY, UH, THE STORMWATER FEE.

UH, AS FAR AS ACTUAL DATA COLLECTION, WE THINK THAT'LL BE A, A ONE-TIME THING.

WE ALWAYS HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ONGOING, UM, PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH FOR WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENTS COME IN AND WE GET THAT DATA INTO GIS AND I WOULD SAY EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING INTO GIS NOW IS, IS, UH, GOOD INFORMATION.

IT'S REALLY CAPTURING ALL THE OLD INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO.

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AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A FORMAL RATE STUDY IN REGARDS TO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND EXPERTS AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

SO I, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST THROW THAT OUT TO THE MAYOR, FELLOW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT A DISCUSSION OF HOW DO WE PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN RAISE SOME NEEDED FUNDS FOR A FUND THAT'S BEEN NEGLECTED, BUT THEN HOW CAN WE BE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT SIT IN THESE SEATS YEARS DOWN THE LINE, UM, WHERE IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION THAT JUST HAPPENS EVERY 15 YEARS OR SO.

THAT'S KINDA WHERE MY THOUGHTS ARE, BUT I THAT'LL LEAVE IT THERE.

APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.

UM, ANYONE ELSE? COUNSEL? UM, I, I FEEL LIKE THE YEAR THREE ANALYSIS AND STUDY KIND OF ADDRESSES SOME OF COUNCILMAN ROBBINS CONCERNS.

UM, AND I THINK THERE'S AN OVERALL APPROACH TOWARDS FEES, UM, THAT WE'VE AND STAFF CITY MANAGER HAS GONE OVER TO NOT WAIT 17 YEARS, BUT BE EVALUATING THESE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, BI-ANNUALLY, BUT REALLY STAYING ON TOP OF THOSE AND WHETHER THEY'RE COVERING WHAT THEY SHOULD.

UM, I, I WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DELAYING THE LARGER INCREASES, YOU KNOW, DOING IT A DOLLAR AT A TIME, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE JUST FURTHER IN THE HOLE FOR A WHILE.

UM, I'D BE CURIOUS ALSO TO KIND OF HEAR FROM THE FOLKS ON SWAB UP HERE AS WELL AND WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.

OH, WELL, THANK YOU.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID TALK ABOUT AT SWAP WAS THE, THE INCREMENTAL.

UM, INSTEAD OF DOING THE FULL OUT $6, GO TO $3 THE FIRST YEAR, GO TO $3 THE NEXT YEAR TO HELP US GET SOME FUNDS IN RE IN IN THE CASH JAR SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO START DOING SOME OF OUR EVALUATIONS OF WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE, WHAT'S OUR INVENTORY AND ALL THAT.

THEN AFTER WE DO THAT, COME UP ON YEAR TWO IS WHEN WE WOULD ACTUALLY DO THE FORMAL RATE STUDY, HAVE THAT EXPERT COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO, WHAT OUR RATES REALLY NEED TO LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN AT THAT TIME, THAT COUNCIL, WHOEVER'S SITTING THERE TWO YEARS FROM NOW, COULD SAY, OKAY, DO WE, HOWEVER, DO DO YOU WANT TO IMPLEMENT? DO YOU WANNA IMPLEMENT IT? IF IT'S SAY IT'S A $2 INCREASE, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT 50 CENTS A DOLLAR? HOWEVER, BUT ALL THAT.

BUT ONE IS JUST INITIALLY, WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND IN THIS, BUT ALSO THIS BRINGS, ANOTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE IN OTHER RATES THAT THE CITY WAS GONNA GO INTO A MORE PROACTIVE RATE REVIEW, RIGHT.

OF ALL THE RATES THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE A LONG LAUNDRY LIST OF, OF RATES THAT WE HAVEN'T UPDATED IN QUITE SOME TIME.

SO THAT THIS SHOULD BE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY PUT INTO THAT QUEUE TO SAY EVERY YEAR, EVERY TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE NEED TO REVIEW THOSE RATES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE COST OF SERVICES THAT WE NEED OUT OF THAT.

YEAH, STORMWATER'S NOT REALLY A FANCY THING TO LOOK AT, SO IT DOESN'T GET LOOKED AT MUCH.

AND I KNOW WHEN STORMWATER CAME UP DURING ALL OF OUR WORKSHOPS LEADING UP TO TODAY, THEY DID GIVE THE LAUNDRY LIST AND IT'S QUITE SUBSTANTIAL.

UM, LIKE MR. LAWRENCE AT TALKED ABOUT, WE ARE AN AGING CITY AND THOSE AREAS IN OUR CITY ARE FLOODING AND IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO FIX 'EM.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE LEFT WITH THE TASK OF DOING THAT AND WE HAVE TO DO IT.

AND I KNOW IT WASN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT LIST RIGHT HERE, BUT WE HAVE HAD IT PREVIOUSLY.

AND THAT'S NOT EVERYTHING.

I, I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE MEET IN SWAB ONCE A MONTH, ANOTHER THING COMES UP AND IT'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T NOT DO TO SAVE THESE PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES.

SO, UM, I KNOW $3 SEEMS A LOT, THE BILL WILL GO FROM $3 TO $6.

THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE TO SAVE THESE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AND LIKE THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT, AND THEN GET IT AT LEAST STARTED.

UM, AND THEN, AND THEN DO A RATE ANALYSIS AND, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT OTHER $3 JUMP AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND COUNSEL CAN DECIDE THAT, OR MAYBE YOU DO.

UM, IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, UM, COUNSEL, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT MAYOR YOU'RE SAYING IS WE LOOK AT LINE TWO WHERE IT GOES FROM THREE TO 6, 1 50 TO AND SO ON.

YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS IN DEALING WITH SWAB WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND THAT INCREASE

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AND THEN A FUT THE NEXT YEAR, BASICALLY THE COUNCIL WOULD BE SITTING IN THIS POSITION SAYING, WE WANT TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE, UM, WORK CONSULTANT IN REGARDS TO THAT.

IS THAT KIND OF HOW YOU'D SEE IT GOING? YES.

EITHER CONTINUE IF THEY DECIDE WE NEED TO CONTINUE WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DECIDED ON, OR IF THEY HAVE OTHER PLANS AT THAT TIME.

BUT WE JUST, WE DISCUSSED THAT IT'S, IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO PUT IT OFF, UNFORTUNATELY.

NO, I LIKE THAT.

MY ONLY HESITATION WOULD BE IN REGARDS TO, I'M SURE WITHIN THE LAST 15, 17 YEAR YEARS, MAYBE IT WASN'T, UM, IT WASN'T, UH, IN THOSE MEETINGS I WOULD HAVE TO THINK THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENED AT SOME POINT WHERE SOMEBODY HAD THE INTENT TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.

LET'S LOOK AT A STUDY, LET'S FIGURE IT OUT.

IN SOME WAYS, SHAPE OR FORM WITH ALL THE PILES OF THINGS THAT COME OUR WAY OR THE IRONS IN THE FIRE, IT GOT MISPRIORITIZED OR JUST SOMETHING ELSE NEEDED TO GET DONE.

SO THAT'S WHY MY HESITATION WITHOUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S AUTOMATIC TO FOLLOW IT JUST IN CASE IN THE FUTURE.

SO THAT WAY IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE UNDONE BY COUNSEL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M JUST FIGHTING IN MY BRAIN 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BE 15 YEARS FROM NOW, I WAS GONNA SAY PICK UP THE PAPER, BUT IT'S GONNA BE SOME SOMETHING ELSE DIGITAL, SOMETHING THAT SAYS COUNCIL LOOKS AT INCREASING STORM WATER ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED IN FOR 15 YEARS AND IT'S 20.

I MEAN, I MEAN, I THINK REALLY I'M LOOKING AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS PAGE, UM, AND IT'S SAYING WE INCREASE $3 FOR RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY DOLLAR 50, YEAR TWO, WE DO ANOTHER THREE AND DOLLAR 50, YEAR FOUR WE EVALUATE.

SO I MEAN, I THINK IT, WE'RE NOT KICKING THE CAN JUST A YEAR.

I THINK WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ADOPT OR CONSIDER ADOPTING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

'CAUSE ALSO RIGHT NOW FOR BASICALLY SWAB IS COMING TO A STOPPING POINT OF GETTING ANYTHING DONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

BECAUSE EACH MEETING WE COME HERE, THERE'S ONE TO TWO, UM, CITIZENS THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE WHERE, OR MORE THAT THEY HAVE A SWAB ISSUE AND IT'S BASED ON, UH, JUST THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE, OF OUR TOWN CHANGING AND ALL THAT.

AND SO IT'S, WE CAN'T DO OUR JOB ON SWAB RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MONEY.

AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE WHERE IT'S GOING TO GET, GONNA GET PUSHED TO THE WAYSIDE.

, BUT ALSO REMEMBER WHATEVER BUSINESS, THESE WERE BUSINESS DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE BY PREVIOUS STAFF AND COUNSEL NOT TO RAISE RATES YEARS AGO.

, THAT HAS NOT BEEN OUR FORTE UP HERE.

AND THEY DID THAT WITH THE INFORMATION THEY WERE GIVEN RIGHT.

AT THE TIME.

AND SO WE, HERE WE'RE SAYING WE KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING THE COST OF SERVICES OUT OF OUR RATES THAT WE NEED TO, UH, IT, IT'S FOREFRONT, FOREMOST ON US.

IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE.

IT'S ONE OF THE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE TO HAVE AND IMPLEMENT.

BUT I, I GUARANTEE FOR FROM SCHWAB RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T DO OUR JOB, UH, IN STORMWATER.

THE OFFICES ARE, THEY'RE IN A BIND BECAUSE WE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

WE MIGHT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THE ANALYSIS AND, AND COME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT TO IMPLEMENT THAT RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S NO FUNDING THERE FOR IT.

SO I THINK LIKE CITIZEN TOM, I WOULD SEE WATER IN THE STREETS OR AFTER A RAIN AND HE'D BE LIKE, OH, THAT'S INTERESTING.

AND, BUT KIND OF MOVE ON.

AS A CITY COUNSELOR IN MAYOR, I KNOW WE ALL RECEIVE CONSTANT FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED IN NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO BEING THAT IT'S A A, A PUBLIC HEARING, LIKE I DEFINITELY FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT, DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO THINK, OH, THE CITY COUNCIL WOKE UP ONE DAY AND JUST DECIDED WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PUT MONEY IN THIS ACCOUNT THAT LITERALLY WE DO NOT HAVE DOLLARS ON THIS ACCOUNT THAT'S DEDICATED TO THIS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS.

AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE OR TWO HOA MEMBERS OR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SIDE JUST TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT.

UH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SORT OF SEE, I THINK, BUT THEN WHEN YOU'RE ELECTED YOU SEE A WHOLE JUST SORT OF BIGGER PICTURE, UM, OF IT.

BUT YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN SUPPORTIVE OF KIND OF THE LONG TERM STRATEGY, UH, JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S, UH, UH, I WANNA DO SOMETHING MULTI-YEAR.

SO IT'S NOT JUST, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH EVERY 10, 15 YEARS.

SO COUNSEL'S GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE THE RECOMMENDATIONS? I AM.

, I'M, YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US, MR. LAWRENCE? YES, SIR.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I HEAR DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF YEAR ONE, MOVING FROM THREE TO SIX YEAR TWO TO ADJUSTING FROM SIX TO NINE, AND THEN THE YEAR THREE WE DO A COST OF SERVICE STUDY.

YEAH, I THINK I MISSPOKE.

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I JUST WANTED TO MM-HMM.

ARE PUTTING, HAVE PUT TOGETHER A BASIC PLAN.

AND THEN MS. MR. MAYOR, I KNOW IF IT'S PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK WE HAVE ONE OR TWO HOAS, UM, THAT WANTED TO COME.

AND JUST IF, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO SAY SOMETHING JUST SO IT'S A, A PUBLIC THING THAT THEY'RE RAISING THEIR HAND AND SAYING, HEY, WE SEE THIS.

IS IT, ARE WE DOING A, IS THIS A PUBLIC COMMENT DEAL? UM, WAS IT, WELL, IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT A PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW ANY HOAS WE'RE FREE.

OF COURSE, IF THEY, BUT I DON'T.

'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT AN HOA WOULD'VE TO SAY, BECAUSE OUR CITY'S NOT MADE UP OF, IT'S MADE UP OF HOAS AND NON HOA, SO MM-HMM.

IF THERE'S SOMEONE FROM AN HOA THAT WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.

SURE, SURE.

IS THERE SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE FROM AN HOA? YES, SIR.

COME ON DOWN.

I'M VERN LAWSON, THE PRESIDENT OF, UH, OLD TOWN HOA, AND WE HAVE A VERY PRESSING PROBLEM THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

UH, SIR, COULD YOU BRING THE MICROPHONE DOWN TO YOUR, PARDON ME? COULD YOU BRING THE MICROPHONE DOWN? YOU HAVE A SOFT VOICE LIKE I KNOW.

WE HAVE A PRESENT PROBLEM IN OUR HOME, HOME IN OUR, UH, HOUSING CONDITION THAT'S LOOKING AT, UH, TOTAL FIXES FOR THREE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, PROBABLY RUNNING BETWEEN 150 AND $175,000 FOR 238 HOMES.

THAT'S A PRETTY TOUGH BILL TO SWALLOW.

UH, WE HAVE A ONE AREA WHERE A BRIDGE, A A STREET THAT ACTS AS A DAM IS BEING, UH, ERODED AWAY.

WE HAVE A, UH, POND THAT WE DRAINED THAT'S FILLING UP WITH SILT.

AGAIN, THAT NEEDS TO BE DREDGED, BUT WHAT THE BIGGEST THING.

AND WE WENT TO THE CITY AND ASKED FOR A 60 40 SPLIT FROM THE RAIN, UH, UH, WATER DISPOSAL BOARD, UH, IS A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH OUR PARK.

IT, UM, BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I WANNA TALK ABOUT, WE HAVE A GREEN BELT AREA THAT'S A COLLECTION AREA, SIX TO SEVEN, MAYBE EIGHT ACRES THAT'S DEEPER THAN IT WAS IN 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I MOVED INTO THE HOUSING ADDITION.

IT, IT'S ERODED SIGNIFICANTLY, AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT NOW, INSTEAD OF OVERFLOWING THE BANK, UH, FROM ABOUT AN EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT OF WATER IN THE, IN IT, IT TAKES 10 OR 11 FEET.

NOW IT'S ONLY OVERFLOWED TWICE.

ONCE WAS ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO, UH, HAD A RAINFALL OF ABOUT SEVEN TO NINE INCHES DEPENDING UPON HOW YOU COMPRESSED THE TIME OVER WHICH IT, UH, FELL.

TOTALLY RAN OVER THE, RAN OVER THE BANK OF A DAM THAT IS OLD BRIDGE AND RAN INTO OLD BRIDGE AND OLD DEPOT.

THAT WAS A SEVEN TO NINE INCH RAINFALL LAST YEAR.

WE HAD A FOUR INCH RAINFALL, DID THE SAME THING, A FOUR INCH RAINFALL.

THAT'S BECAUSE OF SO MANY THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ABOVE US.

WE SIT IN A BASIN THAT, UH, DRAWS WATER FROM AS FAR AS THE COLLEGE AND KICKING BIRDS, UH, SHOPPING CENTER ALL THE WAY OVER TO, UH, BOULEVARD, AND IN THE TIMBER RIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SITS TO OUR WEST.

AND, UH, OF COURSE, THE RAINWATER THAT WE GET, THAT WATER BUILDS UP IN THAT GREEN BELT AREA.

AND IF YOU COULD SEE THE WATER RUSHING THROUGH THE FOUR TUBES THAT RUN INTO THE PARK, IT WOULD ASTOUND YOU AS HOW MUCH WATER IS, HOW MUCH PRESSURE THERE'S IS BEING THERE.

AND THAT IS CAUSING THE BANKS OF THAT CREEK THAT USED TO BE ABOUT A FOOT TO A FOOT AND A HALF, TWO FEET DEEP, IS NOW SIX TO EIGHT FEET DEEP.

USED TO BE ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 FEET WIDE, CLOSER TO 25 FEET WIDE.

IT'S ENCROACHING ON THE FENCE LINES OF THREE HOMES THAT BACK UP TO THE CREEK.

AND, UH, WHAT USED TO BE A REAL NICE PRETTY MEANDERING LITTLE STREAM IS NOW THE UGLIEST THING YOU COULD EVER IMAGINE.

IT'S THE WATER BLASTING OUT OF THOSE TUBES IS CUT INTO THE BANK.

BIG, BIG AREAS.

IT'S ABOUT READY TO CUT, UNDERCUT OUR BASKETBALL COURT.

AND, UH, WE HAD PETITIONED THE CITY FOR A 60 40 SPLIT TO FIX THAT.

UH, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE DIDN'T QUITE QUALIFY.

WE ONLY HAD 121 BASIS POINTS AGAINST 150 THAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE STORMWATER BOARD.

SO, UH, WE WERE GIVEN SOME GOOD IDEAS OF WHAT WE COULD DO THAT MIGHT MITIGATE THE COST A LITTLE BIT, WOULD GIVE US, STILL GIVE US AN EFFECTIVE, UH, FIX.

AND SO WE'VE HIRED, UH, ME MESIC ASSOCIATES WHO

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THEY'RE STILL DOING ALL THE, UH, ENGINEERING WORK, BUT IT'S PROJECTED TO BE A HUNDRED TO $110,000.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPAIR IRRIGATION LINES, REPAIR OUR BASKETBALL COURT, SO THE TOTAL COST COULD GO UP TO 125,000 PROJECTED A FIX TO WHERE A DRAINAGE AREA IS STARTING TO ERODE THE, THE STREET EMBANKMENT OF OLD WATERFRONT IS GOING TO NEED SOME FIXING.

AND THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT'S GONNA COST.

AND THEN WE HAD DR HAVE TO DREDGE THE POND TOO, THAT'S GOT THE SILT BUILD UP FROM ALL THE WA RAINWATER THAT FLUSHES THROUGH THE POND.

SO WE'RE FACED WITH A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION.

WE'RE READY TO EMBARK ON THE A HUNDRED TO 110,000 FOR THE, FOR THE PARK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO GO BEYOND THAT.

AND IT'S GONNA PUT A BIG STRAIN ON OUR BUDGET.

AND WE'VE BEEN RAISING OUR DUES FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS TO GET READY FOR THIS.

BUT 238, UH, HOMEOWNERS, IT'S A PRETTY, IT GETS TO BE A PRETTY TOUGH NUGGET TO, TO SWALLOW.

SO, AND TALKING WITH SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, NEIGHBORS AROUND US, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, I KNOW THEY'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES AND, UH, WE JUST HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S FRUSTRATING.

WE'VE BEEN PAYING AS HOMEOWNERS INTO THIS RAIN, UH, STORM WATER DRAINAGE PRO PROGRAM FOR HOW MANY YEARS AND WHEN WE COME AND NEED SOME HELP, IT'S NOT THERE.

AND YOU WANNA RAISE RATES, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU RAISING RATES, IN FACT, UH, BUT SOMEWHERE YOU HAVE TO SET ASIDE SOME MONEY TO HELP THESE ASSOCIATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE THE DEEP POCKETS TO GO AHEAD AND, AND FUND THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

SO WITH THAT, I REST MY CASE AND, UH, HOPE THAT, UH, THIS HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL FOR YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

I HAVE A QUESTION, MAYOR.

ON YEAR THREE, PERFORM COST OF SERVICE STUDY, WOULD THAT BE AN IN-HOUSE STUDY OR THE INTENT WOULD BE FOR US TO HAVE ENOUGH DATA BY THEN THAT WE COULD HIRE A CO CONSULTANTS TO DO THAT.

WHY WOULD WE NEED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT IF WE ALREADY KNOW WE GOTTA RAISE 'EM FROM THREE TO SIX AND SIX TO NINE AND THEN DO ANOTHER STUDY? WHY WOULD WE DO THAT WHEN WE ALREADY KNOW WE'VE GOTTA RAISE 'EM NOW ON YEAR THREE, WE WOULD USE A CONSULTANT FOR WHAT PURPOSE TO, OKAY, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT IS RIGHT NOW, UM, WE LOOK AT COMMERCIAL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OKLAHOMA CITY OR A LOT OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

UM, SO WAY COMMERCIAL IS CALCULATED IS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF PARKING OR SURFACE PREVIOUS COVER.

UM, AND SO, UH, LOOKING AT KIND OF THE, THE STRUCTURE AS WELL TO SEE, UH, DO WE WANT TO KEEP ONE RATE FOR EVERY HOUSE? SOME COMMUNITIES DO DIFFERENT RATES FOR DIFFERENT SIZE HOUSES.

LOOK, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH.

UH, IN YEAR THREE.

ONE THING THAT A CONSULTANT BRINGS IN IS A, ALL OF THE EXPERTISE FROM THAT THEY'RE GAINING FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.

UH, THAT'S FROM MY EXPERIENCE FROM ALL THE OTHER, UH, CONSULTANTS WE BROUGHT IN.

THEY GO OUT AND, AND ARE CONSULTING ALL OVER THE, UH, THE REGION BRINGING IN THOSE IDEAS AND THINGS THAT THEY'VE SEEN, THE EXPERTISE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE IN HOUSE.

THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE IS NOT HERE.

UH, WELL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF WE'VE GOT ENOUGH EXPERTISE TO GO FROM THREE TO SIX AND SIX TO NINE, THEN MAYBE WE GO FROM NINE TO 12.

WELL, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE IT'S NOT JUST SIMPLE INCREASING THE CURRENT STRUCTURE, BUT REALLY LOOKING AT THE OVERALL STRUCTURE AT THAT POINT.

WE'VE GOT A HUGE, I I THINK AS STACY AS COUNCILMAN PETERSON AND THE MAYOR, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE DEFINITELY GOT A DEFICIT.

WE CAN'T DO THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO AND TAKE CARE OF, BUT THIS, AS I HEAR IT, WOULD BE, DO CERTAIN SIZE COMMERCIAL LOTS PAY MORE OR DO CERTAIN SIZE HOUSES PAY MORE OR LESS? OR HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND THEN LOOKING TO INCREMENTAL INCREASES.

UM, BUT IF I'M HEARING IT RIGHT, YEAH.

KNOW WHAT OUR ASSETS ARE THAT WE NEED TO MANAGE, UM, AS WE'RE ABLE TO GET MORE INFORMATION, I THINK, YOU KNOW, BRING IN A CONSULTANT JUST TO KIND OF HELP US GO THROUGH KIND OF WHAT SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES DO OR, OR ACROSS THE REGION, KIND OF HOW THEY HANDLE THE DIFFERENT METHODS OF, OF BILLING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FAIR.

SO HOW THIS STARTED WAS WE WERE BUDGETING FOR A RATE INCREASE FOR THIS, UH, NEXT FISCAL YEAR OR FOR A RATE STUDY.

UM, AND WE, WE ALL LOOKED AT IT AS STAFF AND WE WERE JUST SO FAR BEHIND THAT.

UH, IT'S KIND OF A NO BRAINER.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SO FAR BEHIND.

UM, AND SO I THINK AS WE GET MORE DATA ON THE, ON OUR, ON OUR SYSTEM,

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? SO IS THERE, UH, IT WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE WOULD DO LIKE A VOTE.

IS THAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS? AS FAR AS THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS? AS FAR AS, AS THE, AS PART OF THE BUDGET? YEAH.

WE'LL TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

MAYOR, UH, ROBINS, YES.

WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, THEN WE'D WORK TO BRING BACK A FORMAL POLICY DECISION ON WAS THAT JUNE 10TH.

UM, WE'LL MAKE THE APPROPRIATE, UH, PROJECTIONS FOR THE BUDGET.

WE NEED TO WORK THAT IN AS FAR AS IF WE WENT FROM THREE TO SIX, NO, YOU TAKE AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE EXPENDITURES BUDGET, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO PROJECTS.

SO WE'LL BE BACK ON THE JUNE 10TH DISCUSSION AND THAT APPROVAL WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE SIDE.

SO THAT WOULD BE A HEARING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR.

LONG AWAITED PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR OUR BUDGET FOR 20 24, 25.

AND NOW THE

[3. Public Hearing, Receive Public Comments, Discussion, and Consideration of Potential Amendments to the Proposed Budget and Financial Plan for Fiscal Year 2024-25; including the General Fund, Special Revenue Funds, Capital Project Funds, Internal Service Funds, Public Works Authority Utility Funds, and Other Enterprise Funds.]

ALRIGHT, UH, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS JARED CAMPBELL.

I AM, UH, THE BUDGET SENIOR MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND, AND I'M HERE TO GIVE THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR, UH, 2020 4 25 PROPOSED BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, JUST A QUICK RECAP OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.

UH, STARTING ON MARCH 11TH, WE DID BUDGET PROCESS, UH, ECONOMIC OUTLOOK, REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND OBLIGATIONS, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY AND CAPITAL ON MARCH 25TH, UH, BUILDING AND SAFETY PLANNING ENGINEERING ON APRIL 8TH, ELECTRIC PUBLIC WORKS AND WATER RESOURCES ON APRIL 22ND AND ECONOMIC OUTLOOK CLARK.

AND THEN ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGETS, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT BUDGETS ON MAY 13TH.

UM, THIS IS THE MAKEUP OF THIS IS I WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE, UH, BUDGET BASIC BASICS AND ASSUMPTIONS.

UM, CURRENT YEAR REVIEW, PRELIMINARY BUDGET, PROPOSED BUDGET, UM, THE NEXT YEAR'S DEPARTMENTAL HIGHLIGHTS, AND THEN ALSO THE, UM, PROPOSED YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT REVIEW.

FIRST OF THE BUDGET BASICS AND ASSUMPTIONS, UM, IN THE BUDGET CYCLE.

UH, EVERY YEAR STARTS OUT WITH BUDGET BEING COMPLETED AND FINALIZED BY JUNE THIR WELL, UH, BUDGET BEING SET.

UM, AT THE END OF JUNE, WE SEND EVERYTHING TO THE AUDITOR BY THE END OF JULY.

UH, THEN OUR AUDIT SEASON STARTS FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, AND THEN WE FINISH UP THE, UH, AUDITED FINANCIALS SOMEWHERE AROUND DECEMBER, ANYWHERE BETWEEN THEN AND, UM, REALLY FEBRUARY IN THAT TIMEFRAME.

THAT'S, UH, SPECIFICALLY SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, 72 FUNDS, 18 GENERAL FUNDS, 13 SPECIAL REVENUE, EIGHT CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS, NINE UTILITIES, THREE OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND 21, UH, INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.

THE PARAMETERS THAT WE WERE GOING OFF OF THIS YEAR WAS TO MAINTAIN THE ONE, THE 10% UNRESTRICTED GENERAL FUND RESERVES.

UM, THIS FIGURE IS, UM, 10% OF REVENUE PLUS TRANSFERS IN.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, ANOTHER, SOME, ANOTHER PARAMETER THAT WE HAD SET FORTH WAS SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING FROM EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY LIMITED TO 4 MILLION.

FUNDING TO THE GENERAL FUND ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE HAD SET FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

UH, BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS WAS PROJECTING OUT REVENUE, SALES TAX REVENUE AND USE TAX REVENUE AT A 0.5% GROWTH.

UH, ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTAL SOURCES WERE FORECASTED AND BUDGETED AT A 0.8% GROWTH.

AND THEN WITH THE EXPENDITURE PROCESS THIS YEAR, WE

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FOCUSED ON RIGHT SIZING, DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETS, REALLY GOING BACK TO WHAT DEPARTMENTS WERE ACTUALLY SPENDING AND NOT SO MUCH WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING ON MAX AMOUNT SPENDING, KIND OF GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UH, WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING TRYING TO GET CLOSER TO THAT.

UM, AGAIN, OUR SALES TAX HERE IS STILL AT 3.75%.

THAT IS MADE UP OF 2%, UH, TO THE GENERAL FUND WITH 1% FALLING OFF IN MARCH OF 2027.

UH, 0.75 CENTS.

UH, 2000 CIP FUND 0.5%, UM, 2017 CIP FUND WITH THAT FALLING OFF AS WELL.

IN MARCH OF 2027, THE FIRE FUND AT 0.25 CENTS, UH, POLICE AT 0.125% AND PARK STACKS AT 0.2125%.

THIS, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE POINT, THE 4.5% OF THE STATE SIDE COMES TO YOUR 8.25 THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON ANY TAX, UM, WHEN PURCHASING ANYTHING WITH SALES TAX IN THE CITY.

UH, FUNDING SOURCES, UM, IN THE UPCOMING YEAR, WE HAVE PROJECTED 33% OF ALL OF OUR FUNDING COMING FROM, UH, TAXES.

62% COMING FROM, UH, UTILITY REVENUES, 1% FROM GRANTS, UH, 3% FROM MISCELLANEOUS, WHICH INCLUDES INTERESTS, RENTAL ROYALTIES, ABATEMENTS, AND THEN 1% COMING FROM LICENSES AND PERMITS.

ALRIGHT, THIS CURRENT YEAR WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED, UH, TOTAL BUDGET SOURCES OF, UM, JUST SHY OF 748 49, UH, 749 MILLION.

AND UH, IT HAS COME IN AT, UH, JUST A LITTLE OVER 952 MILLION.

MOST OF THIS WAS, UH, PRIOR YEAR RESERVES, SO USING AMOUNTS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD LEFT OVER FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.

TOTAL RESOURCE RECAP.

UM, BUDGET TO ACTUAL COMPARISON HERE.

ON THE REVENUE SIDE OF THINGS, WE'RE EXPECTING AN ADDITIONAL 8.6 MILLION IN REVENUES.

UM, THIS BEING A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THESE REVENUE SOURCES THAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, WE'RE PROJECTING THAT SALES AND USE TAX WILL COME IN 6.1 MILLION BELOW WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR.

UH, INTERGOVERNMENT INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMING IN ALMOST AT 900,000 OVER WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED.

UH, LICENSE LICENSES AND PERMITS DOWN SLIGHTLY AT, UH, 12,335 FINES AND FORFEITURES UP 335,000 CHARGES FOR SERVICES, UM, COMING IN 3.6 MILLION ABOVE WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED.

AND THEN INTEREST 9.7 MILLION ABOVE BUDGET.

AND THEN MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE AT 145,000 ABOVE ON THE EXPENSE.

AND REALLY JUST THE USES AND SOURCES, MAINLY THE RESERVES.

UM, VARIANCE BETWEEN ORIGINAL BUDGET AND ACTUAL IS LOOKING TO BE AT 194.9 MILLION.

LARGEST PORTION OF THIS IS, UH, DEBT LOAN PROCEEDS.

UH, THIS, UM, HAS TO DO WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER, BUT, BUT, UH, WATER RESOURCES LOAN DISTRIBUTION.

UM, THEN AS YOU CAN SEE FURTHER ON, UH, THE NEXT LARGEST WOULD BE RESTRICTED PRIOR YEAR RESERVES.

UM, SECOND, THIRD LARGEST WOULD BE UNRESTRICTED PRIOR YEAR RESERVES OF 15 MILLION.

AND THEN COMMITTED PRIOR YEAR RESERVES OF JUST OVER HALF A MILLION.

ALRIGHT, ON THE USE SIDE, UH, OUR TOTAL BUDGET ORIGINALLY WAS, UM, JUST SHY OF 749 MILLION.

AND WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY SITTING AT IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 952 MILLION.

UM, A LOT OF CHANGES ON THIS ONE, BUT PRE PREDO PRIMARILY THE CHANGES, UM, CAME IN THE DIRECT COST SIDE AND THE RESTRICTED RESERVE SIDE.

ALL RIGHT, FOR THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR, UM, SAME THINGS THAT WE WERE SHOWING FOR THE BUDGET TO ACTUAL,

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BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF SHOWING THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE BUDGET.

SO TOTAL RESOURCES, UM, RESOURCES AND USES ARE SITTING AT 670 70 6,558,866.

ON THE RESOURCE SIDE, THIS IS MADE UP OF 330 MILLION OF PRIOR YEAR RESERVES.

AND ON THE REVENUE, UH, REVENUE SIDE, THAT IS, UH, 346 MILLION USES, UH, RESTRICTED RESERVES TO BE USED IS 68.3 MILLION.

UH, UN UNASSIGNED RESERVES WOULD BE 163 MILLION.

AND THEN DIRECT COST COMES OUT AT 445 MILLION.

UM, TOTAL REVENUE, NEW REVENUE, UM, FOR THE YEAR, NOT COUNTING IN PRIOR YEAR RESERVES OR ANY OF THAT INTO THE EQUATION, UH, COMES TO 346,305,278.

THIS IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOURCES AND INTEREST.

MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE, INTERGOVERNMENTAL LICENSES AND PER PERMITS, FINES AND FORFEITURES TAXES AND CHARGES FOR SERVICES.

ON THE DIRECT COST SIDE, UM, EVERYTHING IN TOTAL COMES TO $445,086,022 IN TOTAL.

THIS IS SEPARATED OUT INTO ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST, GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND CENTRAL SERVICES, PUBLIC SAFETY, PARKS AND RECREATION, STREETS AND HIGHWAYS, HEALTH AND WE WELFARE AND THE UTILITY SERVICES, AND THEN OTHER ACTIVITIES.

AND THIS IS THE WRAP UP OF ALL OF THAT.

UM, THE TOTAL BUDGET IS 676,558,866, TOTAL REVENUE OF, UH, 346,305,278.

AND THEN DIRECT COST BUDGET OF $445,086,022.

UH, THE PROPOSED BUDGET, TOTAL TAXES COMES TO 113,131,688, UM, WITH THIS 70.7 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND, 9.8, ALMOST 9.9 SPECIAL REVENUES.

UH, AND THEN 32.5 UH, TO CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS.

THIS IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF ALL GENERAL FUND TAXES.

UH, THIS SHOWS THAT GENERAL FUND WILL STILL RECEIVE 33.2% OF, UH, THE TOTAL TAX REVENUE, WHICH COMES TO 23.5 UH, MILLION DOLLARS IN THIS BUDGET.

WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 54 NEW POSITIONS AND 13 RECLASSIFICATIONS.

UM, OUT OF THESE 54 NEW POSITIONS, NINE OF THEM ARE FUNDED THROUGH INTERNAL ALLOCATION.

2.5 ARE GRANT FUNDED POSITIONS.

UH, 27 ARE PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDED.

SEVEN ARE CIP AND UTILITY FUNDED.

TWO ARE FINES FUNDED.

TWO ARE PERMIT FUND PERMIT FUNDED.

AND THEN 4.5 ARE GENERAL, UH, GENERAL GOVERNMENT FUNDS.

SO THAT REALLY MEANS TAXES AND ANY OTHER KINDS OF, UM, SERVICES THAT THE CHERYL FUND PROVIDES.

UH, THEN ALSO THE 13 RECLASSIFICATIONS OF POSITIONS FROM, UM, ONE EITHER TITLE OR PAY GRADE UP TO ANOTHER ONE.

AND I DO HAVE A LIST OF ALL OF THESE IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM AT SOME POINT.

INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTAL HIGHLIGHTS.

YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THIS WAS OUT IN FRONT OF YOU FOR POLICE.

UM, ON THE CURRENT AMENDED COLUMN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WELL KNOWN ON HERE.

THIS IS THE CURRENT AMENDED BUDGET, UM, THAT INCLUDES ALL SUPPLEMENTALS THAT COUNSEL HAS PASSED OVER THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR.

SO THIS IS WHAT THE MAX AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO SPEND IN THIS, UH, IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH MATCHES THE METHODOLOGY GOING FORWARD.

UH, SO WE SEE A, AN INCREASE PRIMARILY DUE TO, UH, TO POSITIONS FOR POLICE.

THIS, UH, COMES OUT TO AN ADDITION OF FIVE FOREIGN OFFICERS, THREE CIVILIAN POSITIONS, AND THEN THE ONE, UH, RECLASSIFICATION

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AND THEN ONE CHANGE FROM ONE POSITION CHANGING FROM PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME.

UM, THERE ARE CARRYOVER EXPENSES OF REPAIR AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY FROM FISCAL YEAR 2324.

UH, THIS IS UNDER CAPITAL OUTLAY, SPECIFICALLY THE 4.7 TO THE 3.8 FROM FISCAL YEAR 23, 24 TO 24 25.

AND THEN THE OTHER LARGER INCREASE WAS DUE TO, UM, AN INCREASE IN THE TRANSFERRED ALLOCATIONS FOR THIS NEXT YEAR FOR FIRE.

UM, THEY WENT DOWN FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY BETWEEN CURRENT YEAR AND UH, FUTURE YEAR.

BUT A LOT OF THIS IS DUE TO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

SO, UH, THESE ARE, UM, MAINLY TIED TO FIRE STATION SIX EXPENSES, BUT IN THE INCREASES FOR NEXT YEAR, UH, THE BUDGET SHOWS AN ADDITION OF 16 FIREFIGHTERS.

ONE CIVILIAN POSITION, RECLASSIFICATION OF TWO FIREFIGHTERS, UH, DECREASE IN FLEET LEASE ASSESS ASSESSMENT TRANSFER, UH, BACK TO NORMAL SPREAD DUE TO ONE TIME, UH, 2 23 24 VEHICLE PURCHASES ON ELECTRIC.

UH, THE CHANGES IN THEIR BUDGET.

UH, ONE POSITION, ADDITION OF ONE POSITION, RECLASSIFICATION OF ONE POSITION, UH, INCREASED SYSTEM MAINTENANCE AND UH, RADIO REPLACEMENTS REDUCED PROJECTED WHOLESALE ELECTRIC PURCHASES, THEN REDUCED ANTICIPATED SUB SUBSTATION PROJECTS IN FY 24 25 FOR WATER.

THE CHANGES PRIMARILY COME FROM, UH, INCREASED PERFE, UH, PERSONNEL SERVICES EXPENSE DUE TO EFFECTIVE NEW ENGINEERING POSITION.

CHANGES TO WATER RESOURCES.

UM, SO BASICALLY A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING POSITIONS WILL BE CAPITAL AND UM, AND UTILITY FUNDED.

AND THAT WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT THE BUDGETS OF, OF CAPITAL AND UTILITY FUNDS.

UH, ADDITION OF ONE POSITION, UH, INCREASED, UH, INTEREST EXPENSE ON DEBT REDUCTION, UH, REDUCED CAPITAL OUTLAY DUE TO WATER CAPITAL PLANNING PROCESS.

AND THEN REDUCED TRANSFER TO FIELD SERVICES ON THAT SLIDE FOR THE WATER RATE AS FAR AS FUNDED.

DO WE KNOW, UM, I KNOW WE HAD AN INCREASE OF WATER LEAKS THIS LAST YEAR AND HAD TO DO SOME SUPPLEMENTAL CREWS.

DOES THAT BUDGET AS PROPOSED COVER? I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT KEEPING THAT IN PLACE, UH, GIVEN THAT WE DIDN'T SEE THAT WAS GOING AWAY.

CAN YOU GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT? YES, SIR.

UM, ON THE FIELD SERVICES SIDE, EVERYTHING IS STAYING THE SAME AS, UH, IN THIS CURRENT YEAR.

THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED HAS BEEN THAT UM, WATER WASTEWATER AND GENERAL FUND WILL PAY LESS TOWARDS FIELD SERVICES TO USE THE FUNDS THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY TRANSFERRED TO FIELD SERVICES IN ORDER FOR THEM TO USE THOSE ON EXACTLY WHAT THEY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE USING THOSE FUNDS ON.

SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME, BUT THE TRANSFERS FROM THE FUNDING FUNDS WILL BE REDUCED SO THAT THEY CAN USE WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ALLOTTED.

ME FOR IT AS FAR AS UNENCUMBERED FUNDS, UH, IN REGARD TO, UM, WASTE COLLECTION FEES, IT'S, IS IT 1.7? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

ON WASTEWATER, UH, THERE IS UH, INCREASED LABORATORY SUPPLIES, INCREASED CONSULTING SERVICES FOR COLLECTION SYSTEM FIELD WORK, INCREASED CONTRACT SERVICES, UH, REDUCED CAPITAL OUTLAY DUE TO WASTEWATER CAPITAL PLANNING PROCESS, AND THEN REDUCED TRANSFER TO FIELD SERVICES.

SOLID WASTE SHOWS, UH, INCREASES TO UH, CONTRACTUAL LANDFILL, UH, DISPOSAL FEES AND THEN INCREASED TRANSFERRED ALLOCATIONS ON THE, SO, UH, YES SIR, WE GO ABOUT 30 AND THAT, SO ON SOLID WASTE, THE, UH, 'CAUSE WE HAD HAD THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK IT'S 1.7 MILLION, BUT I THINK ORIGINALLY THE NUMBER WAS 7 MILLION AND CHANGE ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

THAT WAS THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE ENCUMBERED FOR THE TRANSFER STATION.

THEN I THINK THERE IS A PORTION OF THAT THAT WAS ALLOCATED OR REPURPOSED FOR OR DESIGNATED FOR STORM EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

IE ICE STORM COMES AND WE NEED SOME QUICK LIQUIDITY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT AND THEN WAIT ON YEARS FOR FEMA SEND US A, A BIG OLD CHECK.

UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE, BUT CAN YOU CLARIFY

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THE UNENCUMBERED RESERVE, I THINK THAT'S, I I REMEMBER ACCURATE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IS THAT ACCURATE IN THE RESERVES? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S IN THE RESERVES.

THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN ALLOCATED PURPOSE.

OH.

UM, THAT WOULD BE THE 1.8.

THAT 1.8, YES SIR.

SO EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT IS NOTHING IS SET ASIDE BY THE TRANSFER STATION, BUT WE DO HAVE 1.8 THERE THAT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER COUNCIL PRIORITIES IN REGARDS TO WHAT THAT FEE MIGHT BE APPLIED TO.

THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING, YES, SIR.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, ON GENERAL FUND PARKS, UM, THE OVERALL DECREASE IN THIS FUND IS DUE TO RIGHT SIZING OF BUDGET EXPENSES, DEPARTMENTAL REORGANIZATION AND PRIOR YEAR CAPITAL FALLING OFF, FALLING OFF.

UM, THERE WAS A SLIDE INCREASE TO TRANSFER ALLOCATIONS LOCATIONS.

ARCADIA LAKE, UM, HAS AN ADDITION OF TWO POSITIONS, UM, INCREASES DUE TO HIGH PROJECTED UTILITY COST, UH, TRASH BACK PURCHASES AND ADDITIONAL TRAINING EXPENSES AS WELL AS, UH, HIGHER, UH, TRANSFERRED ALLOCATIONS FOR KICKING BIRD GOLF.

WE HAVE INCREASES DUE TO HIGHER TRANSFERRED ALLOCATIONS AND A SLIGHT OFFSET BY DUE TO RIGHT SIZING OF BUDGETED EXPENSES.

SENIOR CENTER, UH, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THERE'S BOTH ELEMENTS IN THE GENERAL FUND AND SPECIAL REVENUE FUND.

SO ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE, UM, THERE WERE DECREASES DUE TO RIGHT SIZING OF BUDGET EXPENSES, A SMALL INCREASE TO CAPITAL FOR KITCHEN AND REPLACEMENT AND TRANSFERRED ALLOCATIONS.

ON THE SPECIAL REVENUE SIDE, UH, INCREASED DUE TO ADDITIONAL RECREATIONAL SUPPLIES.

ON THE GENERAL FUND CEMETERY SIDE, THERE WERE DECREASES DUE TO RIGHT SIZING OF BUDGETED EXPENSES AND THEN ALSO DECREASED TRANSFERRED ALLOCATIONS.

ON VISIT EDMOND, WHICH IS HOTEL TAX FUNDED, UH, THERE WERE DECREASES DUE TO RIGHT SIZING OF BUDGET EXPENSES, UM, BUDGETED EXPENSES AND THEN DECREASES DECREASED TRANSFERRED ALLOCATIONS AS WELL.

AND THEN ALSO, UH, ONE THAT WE HADN'T COVERED PREVIOUSLY WAS RISK MANAGEMENT.

UH, THIS IS JUST LIKE THE ADMIN SUPPORT SERVICES FUNDS.

THIS IS COMPLETELY ALLOCATION FUNDED, SO FUNDED THROUGH ALL THE OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS.

UH, THERE WAS AN ADDITION OF TWO POSITIONS, UH, INCREASED TRANSFERRED ALLOCATIONS AND THEN, UH, ALL THE OTHER DECREASES ASSOCIATED WERE DUE TO BUDGET RIGHT SIZING ON ARPA.

UM, SO TOTAL FUNDS RECEIVED, UH, WERE AT 12.7 MILLION, UH, FUNDS EXPENDED IN FY 22 WITH 235,000 FY 23 WITH 3.2 MILLION, UH, FUNDS EXPENDED ESTIMATED FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR IS 4.9, ALMOST 5 MILLION.

AND THEN FUNDS TO BE ENCUMBERED BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, 4.3 MILLION.

WITH THAT, UM, THE CURRENT SET OUT PLAN FOR THOSE FUNDS, $2 MILLION TO PELICAN BAY IMPROVEMENTS, UM, 7 MILLION TOTAL COST ON THAT PROJECT, OR AT LEAST ESTIMATED, UH, TOTAL COST.

AND THEN, UH, 2.3 FOR DOWNTOWN A DA IMPROVEMENTS.

AND IS IT THE, THE MEETING OR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT FIVE 30 AND THE PELICAN BAY DEAL MINUS THE 10 MILLION IN REVENUE THAT WE ANTICIPATED HAVING LAST TIME THAT WE'LL BE, WALK THROUGH SORT OF THE BUCKETS ON THAT.

UM, COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS.

SO THIS IS THE NON-PROFIT, UH, GIVING AND SUPPORT.

WE REALLY DO.

UM, SO THE TOTAL FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE BUDGET IS APPROXIMATELY 1.6 MILLION.

UH, ASSISTANCE

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INCLUDES, UH, LITTLE OVER 700,000 TO SOCIAL SERVICE SERVICES AGENCIES, 550, 50,000 TO, UH, COMMUNITY ENRICHMENT, 240,000 TO PARKS CONSERVANCY TRUST, AND THEN 150,000 TO THE GUTHRIE EDMOND AIRPORT.

UH, OKAY.

SO LAST TIME THAT, UM, DOES THE, UM, UH, SO COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS YES SIR.

DOES THE REGIONAL ONES, WHICH I SEE INCLUDE THE AIRPORT, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE 3% TOWARDS KARK OR ARE THOSE JUST TWO THINGS KIND OF LUMPED TOGETHER? 'CAUSE THEY'RE NO, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN KARK.

I THOUGHT, OKAY.

SO THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ARE INCLUDED IN OUR RIGHT.

IN CLARK, BUT THEN UNDERNEATH BOTH THE PARKS CONSERVANCY TRUST AND THEN THE GUTHRIE EDMOND AIRPORT.

AS A POLICY, I KNOW WE GO UP TO 3% ON CLARK, AND I WAS JUST DOUBLE CHECKING SINCE THEY'RE ON THE SAME SLIDE THAT THAT WASN'T A PART OF THAT 3%.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.

ALRIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO AT OUR LAST, UH, WORKSHOP, THERE WAS SEVERAL DIS THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, ABOUT CLARK FUNDING.

SO THE FUNDS ALLOCATED TO THE 3% MAX, UH, AND RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMISSION WAS THE $1.2 MILLION.

UM, THE TOTAL REQUEST WAS 1.47 1,474,000, UH, FROM APPLICANTS.

AS DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO MAKE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS OR, UM, INSTRUCTIONS AS TO FUND ADDITIONAL ITEMS, ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? SORRY.

UM, THERE HAD BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE LAST WORKSHOP ABOUT, UH, FUNDING FOR CLARK SPECIFICALLY AND OTHER NON-PROFIT GIVING.

UH, WE JUST WANTED TO GET A FIRM, UM, DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL FOR THE ADOPTED BUDGET IF Y'ALL WERE WANTING TO ADD ADDITIONAL FUNDING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED IN THE LAST WORKSHOP.

WE JUST WANTED TO OPEN THIS TIME UP SPECIFICALLY FOR ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

WELL, I THINK THIS, THE, THE CITY MANAGER HAVE DISCUSSION WITH EACH COUNCIL PERSON ABOUT HIS OR HER, UH, DESIRES FOR THAT.

AND, UM, WAS THAT GONNA BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY THAT YEAH, WE IT IS PART OF THE DISCUSS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS, UH, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER ROBBINS HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, SOME SUGGESTIONS.

I KNOW COUNCILOR MOORE HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS ON A FEW OF THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES.

SO I THINK TODAY WE'RE HOPING IS THERE CONSENSUS ABOUT WHICH AND HOW MUCH OR NOT, OR ALL THE ABOVE.

AND SO I GUESS THIS IS A STOP AND, AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONG THE FIVE ABOUT HOW YOU WANNA APPROACH THIS.

UM, AND WHAT I'D SAY IS, I, I'D FOCUS FIRST ON WHICH, IF ANY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, AND WHAT AMOUNT I THINK WE CAN THEN ADDRESS QUESTIONS ABOUT FUNDING OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AT THAT POINT.

HOUSING FOR MOBILE HOMES TO MULTI, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER SQUARE, SQUARE FOOT, UH, MODERN HOMES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.

UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW I, I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH CLARK HERE AND THAT, UH, WE REAFFIRM OR THEY REAFFIRMED THAT THE GUIDANCE THAT WE GAVE THEM IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR WAS WHAT THEY NEEDED TO GO FORWARD.

AND THEN THEY IMPLEMENTED THAT.

UH, I KNOW THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T WANT THE CART COMMITTEE OR FOR COUNCIL HAVE TO EACH YEAR COME BACK AND TRY TO REHASH THAT WHEN WE GIVE OUR DISRESPECTIVE BOARD AND COMMISSION THEY, THEIR, THEIR RULES.

AND, UH, BUT, UH, SO I KNOW I DID ASK FOR, UH, ONE ITEM, ONE, WHICH WAS THE, UH, MUSEUM TO BE FULLY FUNDED, BUT FOR THROUGH THEIR REQUEST.

BUT THAT WAS IT, THAT EVERYTHING ELSE STAY FORWARD, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CLARK, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER COUNCIL HAD, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

YEAH, I MEAN MY RECOMMENDATION PRETTY SIMILAR TO YOURS, MAYOR, IN THAT, UM, FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT YOU SAID, BUT IF WE TRIED TO TAKE MONEY FROM OTHER AREAS, THAT'S JUST TAKING MONEY FROM OTHER AREAS AND WE HAVE THIS POLICY FOR KARK TO BE UP TO 3%, THEY DID GOOD WORK IN FIGURING OUT THE BEST

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USE OF THAT MONEY.

UM, SINCE WE DO HAVE THE DISCRETIONARY FUND FOR THE COUNCIL THAT WE'VE NOT EXPENDED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, UM, I WOULD BE VERY OPEN TO USING SOME OR ALL OF THAT.

UM, AND YEAH, I THINK WE, WE TALKED QUITE A BIT AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE MUSEUM AND THE NEED TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW THAT HAPPENS.

UM, I, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH GOING AHEAD AND TRYING TO FUND THAT AT LEAST EQUAL TO LAST YEAR, IF NOT WHAT THEY REQUESTED BECAUSE OF SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

UM, YEAH, SO I AM, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH YOU.

IF THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL FEEL LIKE REALLY NEED TO BE FUNDED MORE FULLY, UM, I'D BE WILLING TO USE OUR DISCRETIONARY FUND TO DO THAT.

I THINK THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY MUSEUM TO MEET THEIR FUNDING REQUESTS WOULD BE 45,000.

AND WE ASKED LAST TIME IF WE HAD ALL OF OUR A HUNDRED THOUSAND LEFT AND WERE TOLD WE DID.

UM, SO I MEAN THERE ARE SOME WHERE I THINK THEY MADE GOOD DECISIONS AND GOOD JUDGEMENTS.

UM, THE SO THAT'S THE SHORT TERM THING.

I'M FINE WITH USING UP TO OUR DISCRETIONARY FUND TO ALLOCATE TOWARDS SOME UNFULFILLED REQUESTS.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF GOING OUTSIDE OF THAT FOR THE REASONS THAT MAYOR MENTIONED.

UM, AND THEN JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE.

I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE THE CAR.

I THINK THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS, AGAIN, TO NOT FUND PEOPLE'S SALARIES AND ONGOING OPERATIONS AND HAVE THEM RELY UPON THIS TO OPERATE THEIR NON-PROFIT, BUT KIND OF DO ONE TIME THINGS AND SET THEM UP FOR SUCCESS.

AND SO, UM, MAYBE OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, LOOKING AT SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP EDUCATE THESE ORGANIZATIONS ON DEVELOPMENT AND FUNDRAISING AND GRANT APPLICATIONS AND THINGS SO THAT THEY CAN BE A BIT MORE SELF-SUFFICIENT.

'CAUSE IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD SOME OTHER CHARITIES CYCLE IN RATHER THAN THE SAME ONES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DEPENDING UPON, UM, THESE FUNDINGS TO OPERATE.

THAT'S WHAT I GOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

I, I HAVE ONE ITEM, MAYOR AND I YES, SIR.

I AGREE WITH YOU ON AND MS. MUG ON THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM ON THE $45,000.

AND I, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, I, AT THE LAST MEETING I ASKED ABOUT FOSTERING SWEET DREAMS FOUNDATION, UH, WITH THEIR $10,000 REDUCTION.

AND I THINK THE ANSWER WAS, THEY'RE SERVING PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE EDMUND CITY LIMITS.

THEY'RE STILL GONNA SERVE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE EDMOND CITY LIMITS.

THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE $10,000 LESS TO DO IT.

AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE REQUEST OF $20,000 BE MADE AND OUR RECOMMENDATION BE THE $20,000 THEY REQUESTED, PLEASE.

SO, 10,000 MORE THAN RECEIVED.

YES, PLEASE.

SO, I AGREE THAT THERE'S TWO BUCKETS.

ONE IS SHORT TERM, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, RIGHT NOW IS REGARDS TO, UH, THE PROCESS.

THE OTHER ONE IS MORE OF A LONG-TERM.

ONE, I, FOR ONE, HAD HOPED THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SYSTEMIC, UM, ISSUES WHERE WE HAVE CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS COMPETING FOR CARC FUNDS, WHICH I THINK WOULD DO BETTER TO HAVE A CERTAIN LINE ITEM FROM THE CITY AND OR, UM, SOME ROADMAP, UH, WITH THEIR BOARD IN REGARDS TO SUPPLEMENTING THAT INCOME.

BUT WE'RE HERE AGAIN.

SO ONE THING I'D WANT TO DO IS, AGAIN, OFFER MYSELF TO VOLUNTEER OR TO GO BACK TO THE CAR COMMITTEE AND ASK THEM TO HAVE SOMEBODY LEAD THAT POINT.

AND THEN TO MEET MORE OFTEN BEFORE THEY RECEIVE THE NEXT BATCH OF RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT THEY FEEL, UM, MORE EMPOWERED TO PUT TOGETHER SOME OF THE SYSTEMIC CHANGES FOR THEIR SHORT TERM DEALS.

I GO THROUGH, I WENT LINE BY LINE.

I WENT EVERY, I WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR APPLICATIONS.

UM, I SENT, UH, TO THE, A CITY MANAGER, A MAYOR'S REQUEST FOR INPUT, UH, RESPONDED TO THAT.

SO I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IN REGARDS TO THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING.

UH, THE ONES THAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE IN CONSIDERATION WOULD EQUAL, UM, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND, WHICH COUNSELOR MUG HAS PROPOSED, UH, WITH COUNSELOR, UH, MOORE'S, UH, 10,000.

THE OTHER ONES THAT I IDENTIFY ARE 37,000 AND SUCH.

SO THE TOTAL THAT I WOULD PROPOSE WOULD BE 147,000 INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED OR A HUNDRED.

UM, AND 10.

AND THE JUSTIFICATION THAT I WOULD PUT FORTH, UH, IS AS FOLLOWS.

MR. MOR, UH, COUNCILOR MORTY SPOKE TO FOSTERING SWEET DREAMS. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT THERE.

TURNING POINT MINISTRIES IN PARTICULAR, UM, A FOCAL POINT OF THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

HOW DO WE HAVE ATTAINABLE HOUSING? UM, IN WARD ONE, WE HAVE ALL TYPES OF

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TUCKED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE, UH, A, A, AN AMAZING SUCCESS STORY.

AND THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN DOING WHAT I THINK ALL OF US WOULD ENVISION A A GRAND SLAM WOULD BE.

AND THAT'S THROUGH TURNING POINT MINISTRIES.

UM, THEY HAVE ACQUIRED THE LAND.

UM, THEY, UH, HAVE AN ENTIRE PROGRAM WHERE PEOPLE ARE COUNSELED AS FAR AS FINANCIAL, UM, STABILITY AND EDUCATION.

THERE'S, UH, A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY, AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEM AND OTHERS IN THE COMMITTEE OR COMMUNITY RALLY AROUND THEM AND HELP BUILD THOSE HOMES.

AND THEN, UM, WHEN THEY DO QUALIFY AND THEY MOVE FORWARD, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THAT HOUSE AT AN ATTAINABLE LEVEL.

UH, THE HOUSING, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF HAS COVENANTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HELP WITH ITS UPKEEP IN SUCH THAT, AND I DROVE IT JUST LAST WEEK 'CAUSE I WANTED TO JUST SEE IT AGAIN.

I'VE SEEN IT MULTIPLE TIMES.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

THE LAWNS ARE WELL MANICURED.

THEY STAND OUT.

UH, THEY'RE WELL MAINTAINED AND IT'S A HUGE SUCCESS.

SO THEY HAVE, UM, ASKED FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

WE DID $50,000.

I WOULD NOTE THAT WE SPENT MORE ON A CONSULTANT, UH, TO TELL US ABOUT ATTAINABLE HOUSING THAN WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING TURNING POINT.

UH, UH, AS FAR AS THEIR GAP, UM, UH, THEY HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THERE THAT ARE WORK AT LOWE'S, THAT ARE, THAT ARE HOURLY EMPLOYEES.

THEY HAVE FOLKS THAT HAVE WORKED AT OUR NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER.

THEY HAVE FOLKS THAT, UM, HAVE WORKED, UM, FOR EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SUPPORT STAFF ROLES.

SO I THINK THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE SAID THE POLICY IS.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WOULD SUPPORT THEM.

UH, YOU ARE SPECIAL.

I DON'T KNOW OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS DONE MORE, AND I'VE PERSONALLY VOLUNTEERED WITH THEM AS I KNOW MANY UP HERE HAVE, UM, IN REGARDS TO, UH, LITERALLY CLOTHING THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THEY JUST, THEY, THEY HAVE PEOPLE BRING IN THEIR INFORMATION SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE ADMIN RESIDENTS.

SO I WOULD SUPPORT THEIR FULL REQUEST OF 25,000 INSTEAD OF THE 10,000 ALLOCATED.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, HIS, THE HISTORY MUSEUM.

I SUPPORT THAT THE ADMIN HISTORICAL PRESERVATION TRUST TO DO ALL THAT.

THEY DO.

AGAIN, I THINK IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT COULD BE WORKED IN THE FUTURE.

THEIR REQUEST WAS 30, THEY RECEIVED 25,000.

I THINK THEY ARE A PERFECT CANDIDATE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT WE WANNA DO IN OUR LONG-TERM PLAN.

UH, BUT I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT THEM WITH THAT ADDITIONAL 5,000.

UH, FOR ALL THAT THEY DO IS REGARD TO OUR HISTORICAL AREAS AND BUILDINGS, UH, THAT ARE SO VITAL TO EDMOND.

UM, THE OTHER ONES I WOULD LOOK AT AS FAR AS WAYS THAT WE COULD SHIFT DOLLARS A LITTLE BIT, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT IN SOME WAY, UM, WOULD BE, UM, THE FOLLOWING LIBERTY FEST.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT COMES TO TOURISM.

I OFTEN, AS I'M SURE ALL OF US DO GET QUESTIONS AROUND, UM, UH, HEY, I'M COMING UP FOR LIBERTY FEST AND THEY'RE COMING UP FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR NEIGHBORS OR FROM OTHER PLACES.

AND SO I THINK IF WE FOCUS ON THAT EVENT AND HELP, UH, FROM A VISIT EDMOND STANDPOINT, THERE'S A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY, UM, THAT THAT WILL TURN INTO THE SORT OF TOURISM BED AND HEAD TEXT THAT WE WOULD NEED.

SO WHEREAS THE LIBERTY FEST WAS ALLOCATED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, I WOULD SUPPORT FUNDING AT 85 AND THEN WOULD REQUEST THAT VISIT EDMOND SPONSOR, UH, 15,000 OF IT, FREEING UP $15,000 FOR CARC.

THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THE UCO SPORT PERFORMANCE.

UH, THAT IS THE ENTITY THAT HOLDS THE ENDEAVOR GAMES.

IT'S VERY MUCH A WORTHY CAUSE.

OBVIOUSLY WITH THOSE, UH, WITH MOBILITY CHALLENGES OR, UM, ARE ABLE TO, IN ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS OF COMPETITION, BE ABLE TO COME FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND COMPETE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT VISIT EDMOND DOES GIVE A $5,000.

UM, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE DO MORE OF A SPLIT.

SO ON THAT ONE UCO SPORTS PERFORMANCE, RIGHT NOW WE GIVE 20 VISIT.

EDMOND GIVES FIVE.

I WOULD SAY WE SPLIT THAT DOWN THE MIDDLE.

SO WE GIVE 10, THEY GIVE, UH, THEY GIVE 10 OR 15 TO MAKE UP THAT.

UM, I WOULD CHARACTER COUNSEL OF EVAN, I'D PROBABLY GET MURDERED IN THE NEWSPAPER IF I SAID CUT IT.

BUT WHEN I LOOKED INTO THEIR DEAL, THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE THE ONLY SOURCE OF FUNDING.

AND WHAT THEY BASICALLY DO IS GIVE OUT A SCHOLARSHIP TO FOLKS THAT ARE MEETING A CERTAIN CRITERIA EACH MONTH, YOU KNOW, AROUND A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, WORD OF OF CHARACTER.

I THINK IT'S MORE THAN ADMIRABLE.

UM, BUT I THINK THEY'VE HAD A NUMBER OF YEARS TO BE ABLE TO BE FUNDED.

AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, COULD GO DO THAT.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY FROM $8,000 TO EITHER A THOUSAND OR ZERO.

UM, AND THEN, UM, SO I'VE IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT I WOULD ALSO TIGHTEN A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE COULD SUPPORT OTHER AREAS.

SO THAT'S MY PROPOSAL AS FAR AS WHAT I'VE GONE THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I'M ONE OF FIVE, SO I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT THERE FOR ANY COMMENT.

I, I AM ECHOING EVERYBODY.

I'LL KEEP IT VERY, VERY BRIEF.

THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM.

I BE, WE NEED TO PUT THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I WAS THINKING MAYBE, I MEAN, IN COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PARTNERSHIPS.

I KNOW WE'LL

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TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT PUT IT AT A LINE ITEM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO, FOR NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, THEY'RE STILL IN CLARK AND I, I HAVE TO START WITH SAYING, CLARK DID AN AMAZING JOB AT ALLOCATING FUNDS.

THEY SPENT EVERY LAST DIME AND THEY ALLOCATED MANY, MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES, AND THEY FOLLOWED THE EXACT, UM, GUIDELINES THAT WE GAVE THEM.

I AM IMPRESSED WITH THAT, WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

IT WAS A HARD JOB AND IT WAS A BIG JOB.

SO, SAYING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND FULLY FUND THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM, UM, I WILL GO, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SUPPORT THAT YOU ARE SPECIAL, UM, MINISTRIES OF JESUS AND FOSTERING SWEET DREAMS. UM, I, I THINK I CAME UP WITH PROBABLY ABOUT 15,000 OVER OUR DISCRETION FUNDS.

IF SOME OF THAT NEEDS TO BE CUT DOWN, THAT'S FINE.

I CAME UP WITH ABOUT 115 AND I A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT USING OUR COUNCIL, UM, CONTINGENCY FUND TO FUND THESE THINGS.

AND, UM, NEXT YEAR MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME OF THESE ITEMS PUT ON JUST DIFFERENT ITEMS JUST SO THAT LIKE COUNCILWOMAN MOORE, UH, MUG SAID, SO WE CAN START ROTATING IN NEW, UM, AGENCIES THAT CAN BENEFIT FROM THIS.

AND THAT IS MY REQUEST.

VERY GOOD.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, FOR COUNCIL TO REMEMBER, UH, STAFF DID WORK ON A REVISED PROCESS FOR CLARK LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE.

AND WE AS A COUNCIL SAID, WE'RE GONNA HOLD OFF ON THAT.

I WOULD, I WOULD ENGAGE THAT WE REENERGIZE OUR, OUR STAFF TO, TO RE-LOOK AT THE PROCESS, WORK WITH COUNCIL, WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP.

WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FORWARD? YOU, YOU, THEY'VE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS UP HERE.

UH, BUT, UM, WE HAD A PLAN PUT IN FRONT OF US.

WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT PLAN INITIALLY.

SO LET'S DUST IT OFF.

LET'S RE REINVESTIGATE, LET'S GET INPUT FROM COUNSEL FROM THE, AND SO GO FORWARD TO SEE NEXT YEAR DURING THIS TIME BUDGET.

THERE'S A, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.

AND EVEN THE, THE, UM, NONPROFITS WHO WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE FUNDS ARE ALREADY CURRENT RECEIVING FUNDS.

UM, BUT ALSO ON THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, I'M IN FAVOR OF JUST USING OUR A HUNDRED THOUSAND CONTINGENCY CONTINGENCY FUND.

BECAUSE IF WE SAY WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THAT, THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING INTO THE BUDGET.

AND OUR BUDGET IS LEAN THIS YEAR.

AND, UH, IT IS A SCENARIO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LIVING WITH.

WE HAVE A LIEN BUDGET.

AND, UH, EVERYONE IN MY MIND, EVERY, WE JUST CAN'T FUND EACH ITEM.

WE COME UP, WE LOOK AT IT, WE JUST CAN'T FUND EVERY ITEM.

AND, BUT THIS, ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE SOCIAL, ALL OF THESE GROUPS FROM THE SOCIAL AGENCIES TO THE COMMUNITY ENRICHMENT HELP MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER.

AGREED.

AND SO MY THING IS, IS SPREAD THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UM, ACROSS HOWEVER MANY TO BRING THEM UP, BUT THEN REENGAGE WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH A POLICY THAT WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE LIVING WITH SO THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT THAT IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S A CONSENSUS.

THEY'RE ALL AMAZING ENTITIES AND I, I WISH WE COULD FUND EVERYBODY EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE THINK, WHAT THEY NEED, BUT IT'S BECOME QUITE OBVIOUS.

AND WE'RE ONLY 43 PAGES INTO THIS BUDGET.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

SO, UM, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO CLARK FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE DONE.

SO AS FAR AS CLARIFICATION, AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO PASS A BUDGET.

CLARK WILL BE PART OF IT.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT DIFFERING VIEWS ON WHAT SHOULD BE FUNDED.

EVERYONE LAID OUT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THING.

SO AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO PUT IT ON AND VOTE.

SO DO WE DO THAT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING BASICALLY? UNLESS YOU DO WANT TO DO IT NOW.

BUT THE OTHER OPTION IS WE TOOK ALL YOUR NOTES, WE'LL GO BACK, APPLY, YOU KNOW, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, HOW WE COULD DO IT, AND THEN WE COULD COME BACK AS WELL WITH SOME OPTIONS FOR OTHER FUNDING, YOU KNOW, SCENARIOS LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT, VISIT ADMIN ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS AND RED REDUCTION FROM THREE TO ONE.

WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS.

AND YOU GUYS CAN CONSIDER THAT ON JUNE.

ON THE JUNE 10TH ELECTION.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN REDUCTION OF THREE TO ONE? I THINK YOU HAD ONE THAT WENT FROM 3000 TO 1000.

OH, WELL, I MEAN, I MENTIONED, 'CAUSE I THINK IN ADDITION TO THINGS THAT SAYING, HEY, WE DESERVE FUNDS.

OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DO IS POTENTIALLY, IF WE CAN FIND IT, SAY THESE MIGHT JUSTIFY AN ADDITIONAL, UH, A SUPPORT.

SO I WENT THROUGH AND DID THAT SO PEOPLE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT.

I'VE SENT IT TO EVERYONE.

I JUST WANNA KNOW WHEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO JUST SORT OF JUST PUBLICLY SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA DO UP OR DOWN.

BUT, UM,

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I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING MONEY FROM VISIT EDMOND TO FUND THESE AT THIS POINT.

I THINK THAT'S A LONGER RANGE ISSUE.

BUT TO ME, THEY'VE GOT A BUDGET THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET.

THEIR BUDGET HAS BEEN RIGHT SIZED ALREADY.

AND IF WE TAKE ANOTHER 25,000 FROM THEIR BUDGET, THAT HAS A MAJOR IMPACT.

I MEAN, THEIR BUDGET'S ALREADY RELATIVELY SMALL.

SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE.

I LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT ONE STAFF STARTS BACK AND REENGAGING WITH THIS, THIS WHOLE PROCESS HERE WHERE, WHAT ARE SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCES IF NEED BE FOR THAT.

BUT, UH, TO, TO, I GUESS I SEE THAT AS POTENTIALLY A LONGER TERM SOLUTION, BUT NOT A SHORT TERM, SHORT TERM FOR THIS.

I, I, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT, THAT COUNCILMAN ROBBINS DID TO BE CREATIVE AND, AND LOOK AT WAYS OF MEETING THESE NEEDS.

UM, BUT YEAH.

SO, UH, I'M HEARING THAT SOME OF THE CONSENSUS THAT WE STAFF WILL COME BACK WITH SOME, A VARIETY OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE JUNE 10TH, AND THEN WE CAN DO A, A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN VOTE THERE ON THAT TO CONSUMMATE THE DEAL.

WHAT, WHAT I DID HEAR CONSENSUS WAS TO UTILIZE THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETIONARY YES.

FUND.

IS THAT YES, YES.

SO WE START THERE, THERE AND WE'LL IDENTIFIED, GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONSENSUS ALSO, I THINK ON THE, THE MUSEUM.

SO THERE'S COUPLE THAT THAT MUSEUM MENTIONED HERE, AND THEN I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL MENTIONED BY PEOPLE THAT THEY FELT LIKE DESERVED SOME OF THAT FUNDING.

UM, SO I DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW, I BUT TO KIND OF YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN ROBBINS, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE WE GIVEN ENOUGH GUIDANCE REALLY TO THEN JUST HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET ON JUNE 10TH? OR IT, IT WOULD COME BACK SOMEWHAT LIKE AN ITEM LIKE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

ADDITIONAL POSSIBLE FUNDING SOURCES.

WE'D SAY, HERE'S HERE'S HOW THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND COULD BE APPLIED.

HERE'S THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT EVERYBODY REQUESTED.

HOW DO YOU WANNA APPLY THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND? HERE'S ADDITIONAL POSSIBLE FUNDING.

DO YOU DO NOT, WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP? OKAY.

SO I APPRECIATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY ON THE LIST THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CUT? SO FOR EXAMPLE, I PUT OUT THERE, UM, THE CHARACTER COUNCIL OF ADMIN WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE ONLY SOURCE OF FUNDING, THOUGH I THINK IT'S NOBLE AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

I THINK IT'S TIME FOR, UH, TO SEE IF THERE'S COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS BEYOND US, FREE UP THOSE DOLLARS.

IS THERE ANY OTHER THAT, OR ANY OTHER ONE THAT PEOPLE WANNA LOOK AT? CUTTING? I LOOK AT ANY TYPE OF, UM, MOVEMENT, UH, IN THE, UH, DEEPER NEGATIVE THAN WHAT THE CAR HAS RECOMMENDED IS THAT WE, UH, THAT ALSO IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE STAFF ON THE REORGANIZATION OF IT.

UH, WELL, I MEAN, I WANNA HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH US.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANT TO OFFER A CUT? MY MY THOUGHT, AND I AGREE, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE, BUT MY THOUGHT IS NOT TO CUT 'EM OFF NOW WITHOUT TELLING THEM THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN.

SO POSSIBLY IF SUMMER DECIDED TO CUT, I WOULD, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT, I WOULD PREFER TO FUND THEM WITH SOMETHING THIS YEAR AND THEN GIVE THEM THAT FOREKNOWLEDGE SO THEY CAN HAVE AT LEAST A YEAR TO KNOW.

AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO RELY ON CARC FUNDS.

UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS SET UP TO DO.

IT'S SET UP TO, UM, HELP THEM WITH THE FUNDS THEY RAISE FROM OTHER AREAS.

UM, BUT I JUST, AND THAT'S JUST ME SAYING THAT, BUT I I, I COULDN'T IN GOODWILL CUT SOMEBODY WITHOUT TELLING YOU.

I HEAR TWO THINGS.

ONE IS THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, OR THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS THAT CARC DID NOT FUND OR FUNDED LESS THAN REQUESTED.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SECOND GUESSING WHAT CAR SPENT HOURS AND HOURS DOING AND REDUCING ANYONE FURTHER THAN WHAT THEY ALREADY RECOMMENDED.

CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, I, BUT YEAH.

'CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M HEARING YOU SAYING MAYBE SOME, SOME OF THOSE YOU WOULD FUND LESS THAN WHAT CLARK DIDN'T SHIFT THOSE FUNDS? NOT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

THEY SPENT HOURS ANALYZING HOW TO USE IT AND I I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT REDUCING ANY OF THE CURRENT FUNDING AND I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT TAKING IT FROM VISIT EDMOND.

SO, I MEAN, GO AHEAD.

IN THE SHORT TERM.

OKAY, I THINK I'M DONE.

UM, I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THEY DID SPEND HOURS AND HOURS, AND I'VE TALKED TO MY APPOINTED MEMBER, I'VE TALKED TO OTHER MEMBERS.

I DEFINITELY RESPECT THAT.

WE'VE ALSO SPENT HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS TALKING ABOUT ATTAINABLE HOUSING.

AND WE HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS HIT A GRAND

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SLAM WHEN IT COMES TO ATTAINABLE HOUSING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, FOR EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOL EMPLOYEES, FOR FIRST RESPONDERS, FOR HOURLY EMPLOYEES.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT GIVING 'EM A CUT FROM A HUNDRED TO 50,000.

SO WHEN I HAVE TO WEIGH OUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE SPENT ON CONSULTANTS TELLING US WHAT TO DO WITH ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND WHAT THAT IMPACT HAS, IF WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE VERSUS SOMEBODY BE ABLE TO GET AN AWARD BECAUSE THEY DID SOMETHING VERY GOOD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE, IN MY MIND, I WOULD CUT.

BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THEM ARE, THEY'RE ALL GREAT, BUT I CAN'T, I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE THEM TO ZERO BECAUSE I'D RATHER HAVE THE ATTAINABLE HOUSING ONE AS A POLICY DECISION.

SO I RESPECT THE HOURS AND HOURS THAT THEY DID.

I ALSO RESPECT THE HOURS AND HOURS THAT WE'VE SPENT DISCUSSING ATTAINABLE HOUSING.

AND I'D RATHER SEE TURNING POINT GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR 99,000 OR 98,000 IF THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO GO TO ZERO.

I AND I, YOU MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS SAYING.

UM, IF ANYONE IS, I, I DON'T WANT TO, LIKE, IF THEY SAID AN ORGANIZATION REQUESTED EIGHT, THEY FUNDED IT WITH THREE AND SOMEONE WANTS TO SAY THEY SHOULD ONLY GET ONE.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T WANNA REDUCE ANY OF THE FUNDING THAT KARK REP RECOMMENDED FROM WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED, BUT CERTAINLY WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE AUGMENT, RIGHT? THEY HAD X AMOUNT TO DEAL WITH, THEY ALLOCATED IT AND DID IT.

WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE FROM ONE ORGANIZATION AND SHIFT IT TO ANOTHER.

DO, DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? AND I DON'T THINK YOU ARE EITHER.

YEAH, I AM.

HE I DEFINITELY AM.

BECAUSE I THINK, SO YOU'RE SAYING, SO I SAY WHEN IT COMES TO CHARACTER COUNTS, WHICH AGAIN, A HEADLINE COULD BE TERRIBLE.

IF COUNCIL ROBBINS WANTS TO GET THOSE ACCOUNTS, I'LL JUST SAY IT OUT LOUD, BUT IN, GIVEN THE WEIGHT I GOTCHA.

OF ATTAINABLE HOUSING, I'D RATHER FULLY FUND SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A, GRANTS JOE'S, WHATEVER, CAN'T SEE THE, I CAN SEE THE HEADLINE .

I'D RATHER HAVE, I'D RATHER HAVE ATTAINABLE HOUSING, WHICH THEY'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB AND TURN THAT INTO RESULTS VERSUS GIVING SOMEBODY A CERTIFICATE THAT COULD BE FUNDED BY OTHER FOLKS.

BECAUSE WE CAN'T, IN MY OPINION, GIVEN OUR CONSTRAINTS, DO BOTH.

AND SO YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD CUT THEM IN FAVOR OF AN ATTAINABLE HOUSING OPTION.

I, WELL, I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.

BUT, UM, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT POINT.

UM, IS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND JUST TO COME IN WITH A, BASICALLY A HATCHET AND SAY, BOOM, WE GOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, LET'S GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

UH, WE, WE'VE HAD OUR, OUR, THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION.

WE, WE'VE HAD OUR CART COMMITTEE DO THE REVIEW.

UH, THAT'S, I I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO NOT CUT IF ANYONE'S BEING CUT ANY LOWER THAN WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE CLERK, THEN WE GO FORWARD FROM THAT.

UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

I MEAN, WE ALL SIT AROUND OUR OWN DINING ROOM TABLES AND LOOK AT OUR OWN BUDGETS, AND SOME OF, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T AFFORD THE, THE TRIP TO WHEREVER WE WANT TO BECAUSE THE MONEY'S NOT THERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING HERE AS A COMMUNITY TODAY.

BUT THE THING IS, WE CAN STILL GIVE SOMETHING TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY, AND AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND GROW AND, AND, AND EXPERIENCE THE PAIN TOGETHER.

SO MY THING IS, MY SILVER RECOMMENDATION IS THE SAME, IS THAT WE HAVE THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LET STAFF LOOK AT WHERE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS CAN GO.

AND THEN, UH, WE CAN, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO, WE HAVE TO DO THE BUDGET BY JUNE 10TH.

MM.

AND THEN WE GO FORWARD WITH THAT.

AND THEN WE, WE, WE LOOK AT THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION AND CR AND, AND ESTABLISH A LONG-TERM SOLUTION THAT HAS CREDIBILITY.

SO THERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN THE CONTINGENCY FUND, CORRECT? MM-HMM.

THAT IS, THAT'S WHERE YOUR SUGGESTION IS TO HAVE STAFF PUT TOGETHER A REPORT SPENDING UP TO $100,000 IF NEEDED TO MEET THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF COUNSEL.

CORRECT.

AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEY CAN COME UP WITH ONE OR TWO DIFFERENT, OR THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S GOT A CALCULATOR HERE.

HAVE YOU, HAVE WE ADDED, HAVE WE HAD MADE REQUESTS FOR OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? YES.

YES, WE HAVE.

WELL, I MEAN, WE GOTTA DO THE WORK.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

I MEAN, LIKE, I, I UNDERSTAND LIKE THAT THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME, I UNDERSTAND.

I'VE BEEN IN, BUT EVERY DEPARTMENT COMES TO US WITH A NEED.

THEY'RE ALL VALUABLE.

THEY ALL HAVE MERIT.

NONE OF 'EM.

BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT AS A WHOLE.

SO LIKE I'VE DUG IN, READ EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR APPLICATIONS, ATTENDED THE CLARK MEETING, SENT EMAILS.

WHAT I HEARD THAT, WHAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE AT? AND WE CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 145.

IT IS, IT'S ABOUT 1 45.

1 4 7 MM-HMM.

JUST DOING THE ROUGH CALCULATIONS AS YOU GUYS TALKED.

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MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS.

'CAUSE IF IT, THE RE SORRY.

THE REDUCTION OF CHARACTER COUNTS.

WELL, I AGREE WITH MS. PETERSON THAT WE SHOULDN'T CUT SOMEBODY OUT TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THE, TO, TO GET WITHIN THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW STAFF'S GONNA GET $147,000 OUT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

THAT'S GONNA BE TOUGH.

WELL, WE'RE NOT, I UNDERSTAND.

NO, I DON'T KNOW.

WHERE DO WE GO? OKAY, ANOTHER SCENARIO WE DO IS HERE, WE CAN SIT, WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL JUNE 10TH.

WE GOTTA FIGURE THIS OUT.

WE CAN SIT IT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH ITEM AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON EACH ITEM HOW MUCH YOU WANNA SPEND.

THEN WE GET CONSENSUS OF THE, OF THE FIVE UP HERE WHERE WE WANNA GO.

AND THEN, UH, THEN THEY WILL HAVE THE MONEY.

THEN, THEN THEY WILL SAY, THIS IS WHERE THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND GOES.

SO IF YOU WANT, I MEAN, NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

I DON'T, I MEAN, OVER $47,000 BURNED UP, 30 MINUTES OF VALUABLE TIME, I THINK WE OUGHT TO FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT.

THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT, FOR THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT STAFF COME UP WITH.

AND IS THAT NOT REDUCING ANYONE'S CURRENT? I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO ADD THAT YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU WOULDN'T REDUCE ANYTHING LOWER THAN WHAT CLARK HAS.

ANYTHING LOWER THAN WHAT CLARK HAS SAID.

AND, AND, AND, AND PUT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS IN THERE, OR DIFFERENT WAYS, THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT MODELS TO SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT GET THEIR FULL AMOUNT.

AND THEY MIGHT, INSTEAD OF, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, NOT INSTEAD 5,000, THEY MIGHT GET 4,000.

BUT, UH, MAYOR, IF I MIGHT, UM, IF IT HELPS, WE ALSO HAVE THE NUMBERS FROM LAST YEAR, WHAT WE HAD PROVIDED TO THESE AGENCIES AND NONPROFITS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES ANY, ANY DIFFERENCE, BUT, UM, CHRISTIE DID SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF ADDITIONAL BACKUP STUFF THAT COULD BE BROUGHT UP THAT COULD HELP MAKE THESE DECISIONS.

SO I THINK THE, IF THERE'S A FIRST POLICY QUESTION, IS IT A HUNDRED THOUSAND? OR IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO FIND MORE, THAT'S THE FIRST POLICY QUESTION.

SO I THINK I HEAR DIFFERENT THINGS UP HERE IS FEW PEOPLE ARE SAYING A HUNDRED THOUSAND, THAT'S THE CALF.

AND OTHERS ARE LIKE, WELL, MAYBE THERE'S MORE.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST POLICY QUESTION IS WHAT'S, WHAT IS IT IF THE, IF FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GUYS SAY IT IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND, THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU GONNA SPLIT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND? OKAY, I'M FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

I AM FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND COUNSEL.

THAT'S COUNSEL.

WE'RE MUCH FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND'S.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO AUGMENT.

IF WE'RE FINDING MONEY, WE'RE TAKING IT FROM SOMETHING ELSE.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.

COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, HOW DO YOU FEEL? I'D LIKE TO SPEND 147,000, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE TRAIN'S COMING AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

SO I'LL GO A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

I'LL SUPPORT 147,000.

WE HAVE 147, WE HAVE 300,000, 7,000.

I'M NOT AN AUCTIONEER.

I WAS GETTING READY TO GET IN THAT VOID.

COUNCILWOMAN, AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT 'EM ALL, I SAY A HUNDRED.

I JUST CAN'T TAKE FROM OTHER HUNDRED ENTITIES.

SO A HUNDRED.

IT IS.

SO WHAT IS YOUR NEXT QUESTION, SIR? SO THE NEXT, IF THAT'S THE CAP.

NOW THE QUESTION IS HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPLIT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND? THAT'S ALL WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR 20 MINUTES.

WE DON'T KNOW.

SO WE'VE, WELL, I THINK WE'RE, NO, YOU WE'RE, I THINK THE FIRST THING YOU SAID IS THE, I THINK WE DO, WE HAVE TO, WE, WE, WE HAVE SOME THAT CAN'T BE ATTAINABLE, BUT THERE'S OTHERS LIKE YOURS, ONE FOR 10,000 FOR ONE.

YOU, I WOULD SAY DO, DO SOME BEST GUESS LOGIC ON, ON, ON TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.

WELL, I WOULD SAY THE 45, WE SEEM TO ALL AGREE ON, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE MUSEUM THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE A LONGER TERM ISSUE.

WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

THERE'S 45, WE GOT 55 LEFT.

UM, I'LL THROW IT OUT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO, I DO THINK THAT MAYBE SUPPORTING TURNING POINT MINISTRIES A LITTLE BIT MORE IS FINE.

I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO USE ALL 45 THAT'S LEFT.

I'D LIKE TO SPREAD THAT OUT.

UM, I THINK FOSTERING SWEET DREAMS, THAT IS AN AMAZING SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND UR SPECIAL.

UM, ADDING ANOTHER 15 TO IT, BUT MAYBE TOPPING IT OFF.

, UM, THE ONLY THING ABOUT UR SPECIAL IS THEY DID GET A LARGE GIFT FROM A DONOR, UM, A PLANNED GIFT IN SOMEONE'S WILL.

AND SO, I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEEDS OF THE ORGANIZATION, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE AS GREAT A NEED AS THEY'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

SO I, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SUPPORT ADDING ANOTHER 25 OR,

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SO THOSE ARE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I AM.

AND SO IF THERE ARE SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE MAYOR FEEL REALLY PASSIONATELY THAT WE USE SOME OF THESE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS TO AUGMENT, I WOULD DEFER TO THEM.

AND I THINK, I THINK I GAVE YOU MY LIST OF FOUR, AND I I AGREE WITH FULLY SUPPORTING THE HISTORY MUSEUM AT 45.

AND THEN I GAVE YOU A COUPLE THREE TO, UH, JUST YOU ARE SPECIAL MINISTRIES OF JESUS AND TURNING POINT AND FOSTERING NO.

AND FOSTERING, FOSTERING SWEET STREETS.

SO A QUESTION AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS CITY MANAGER, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS ON ATTAINABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONSULTINGS? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I, I MEAN, I THINK THOUGH WE ARE DOING A LOT OF THINGS WITH THAT INFORMATION, UM, TO INCREASE ACCESS TO ATTAINABLE HOUSING.

UM, AND SO WE CAN ALL ARGUE ABOUT WHAT'S THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK NECESSARILY.

I RESPECT THE FACT THAT THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION DOING THAT.

AND WE'VE CERTAINLY MADE THAT A PRIORITY.

AND THAT'S WHY I DO SUPPORT ADDING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE 55 WE'VE HAD LEFT, ADDING TO THEIR, AND AUGMENTING THEIR BEQUEST.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK THE MONEY SENT SPENT TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF NOT ENOUGH ATTAINABLE HOUSING IS GOING TO GOOD CAUSES.

AND JUST BECAUSE I JUST WANNA KNOW THAT WE CAN'T FULLY FUND THIS REQUEST THROUGH CARC DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING THAT EFFORT.

WE'VE GOT X AMOUNT.

AND SO, BUT I MEAN, I MEAN, I DON'T, I MEAN, I'M ONE PERSON, SO I HAD A DIFFERENT VIEW, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WE'RE AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS ON CONSULTANTS? SO I DON'T, STAFF DOESN'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.

ARE YOU? WE, WE CAN RESEARCH THAT AND GET BACK WITH YOU.

I, WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.

THOSE CONSULTS WERE IMPORTANT.

I'LL DO A SEARCH WARRANT UP HERE.

I, I AGREE.

TURNING POINT MINISTRIES IS AN AMAZING ENTITY, BUT I ALSO HAVE TO SAY WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY, CAN'T BE UNDONE.

UM, EVERYTHING IN MY OPINION WE'VE DONE SO FAR TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD HAS BEEN IMPORTANT.

UM, AND BECAUSE WE SPENT THAT MONEY DOING THAT, I WOULD NEVER NEGATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT TO TAKING AWAY FROM ANOTHER ENTITY TO SUPPORT THEM.

AND THAT THAT'S MAYBE EVEN COME, I'M PROBABLY NOT VOICING MY OPINION CORRECTLY, BUT I, I THINK THOSE STUDIES WE DID WERE IMPORTANT.

I THINK THEY HAD TO, HAD TO BE DONE.

UM, DID IT COST A LOT OF MONEY? YES.

ALL THAT STUFF DOES.

EVERYTHING COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.

I'M GLAD WE DID IT.

BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S NOT SPEND THAT MONEY AND JUST WRITE THEM A CHECK.

IT'S, IT'S DONE.

THE MONEY IS SPENT.

THOSE CONSULTATIONS ARE DONE.

WE HAVE THE STUDIES AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND SOME OTHER WAY TO DO THIS.

HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE MORE MONEY FOR CARD NEXT YEAR.

THESE ARE ALL HOPES WE DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS THE MONEY.

THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE.

AND, UM, I JUST HATE TO LOOK BACKWARDS.

I LIKE TO LOOK FORWARD.

, DO I WISH WE HAD MORE MONEY? A HUNDRED PERCENT.

SO THAT ACTUALLY SPARKED AN, AN IDEA AS FAR AS FUNDING.

SO IF WE DON'T WANNA LOOK BACK, WE WANNA LOOK FORWARD.

WE HAVE 147,000 THAT WOULD ALLOW US THEN TO DO THE FULL ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

I ASSUME THIS BUDGET HAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LINE ITEM FOR CITY COUNCIL DISCRETIONARY FOR NEXT YEAR.

SO THEN I WOULD SAY THAT WE USE $50,000 OF THAT DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO FULLY FUND, UH, CARD.

YOU CAN'T GO, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

HEY, THAT'S WHAT THIS BUDGET HEARING IS.

NO.

THERE'S ANOTHER HANDFUL OF CHARITIES OUT THERE SITTING AT THE DOOR WISHING THAT THEY WERE ON THE TABLE.

NO, BUT I THINK YOU CAN OFFER IT.

NO, WE CAN TAKE, IF THE, IF THERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR US TO SPEND ON PROJECTS, WE WANNA SPEND, AND WE SAY WE WANNA SPEND $47,000 ON THAT TO FULLY FUND THIS, WE CAN TAKE THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WE DIDN'T SPEND THIS YEAR.

WE CAN SAY WE'RE GONNA USE 47,000 OF, UH, CITY COUNCIL DISCRETIONARY MONEY NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS FULLY FUNDED.

THE WHOLE THING.

THAT'S A BUDGET THAT'S NOT EVEN BEEN CONSUMMATED YET.

SO THAT MONEY'S NOT THERE YET.

NO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET, JUST LIKE, WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS, EXCEPT INSTEAD OF COMING FROM THAT, IT WOULD COME FROM, INSTEAD OF GIVING US A HUNDRED THOUSAND NEXT YEAR IN MY LINE, LINE OF ACCOUNTING, I, I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTE FOR THAT.

THE THING WE, WE'VE AGREED UP HERE, THERE'S A CONSENSUS FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

AND THE THING IS, THERE'S NO DISRESPECT TO ANY OF THESE CHARITIES.

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UM, WE, TO ME, RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE, HERE'S A, THIS RECOMMENDATION JUST LANDED IN MY LAP, 10,000 FOR FOSTERING STREET, UH, DREAMS. UH, 45 FOR THE HISTORY MUSEUM.

UH, TURNING POINT GETS 30, ADDITIONAL 30,000.

YOUR SPECIAL GETS ADDITIONAL 10.

AND, UH, EMIN HISTORICAL PRESERVATION TRUST GETS AN, AN ADDITIONAL FIVE.

THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THE, THE ONLY ISSUE I MIGHT HAVE WITH THAT IS THE MUSEUM NEEDS 45 IN ORDER TO MEET THEIR NEEDS OR RIGHT.

THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ON THERE.

IT WAS MM-HMM.

? NO, YOU SAID 25.

NO, I'M SORRY, 45.

NO, IT WAS 45.

I GOT NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

VOILA.

CAN YOU JUST ONE MORE TIME REPEAT THAT? YES, SIR.

FOSTERING SWEET DREAMS 10.

HISTORY MUSEUM 45, TURNING POINT 30.

YOU ARE SPECIAL 10 PRESERVATION TRUST FIVE.

AND THAT'S ADDITIONAL, THAT, THAT'S THE, THAT GOES A HUNDRED.

THAT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

I MEAN, UM, I, I RECOGNIZE 'EM ONLY ONE OF FIVE.

AND, AND SO, UH, BUT IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THIS GROUP, I CAN UNDER THANK YOU, MAYOR, UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THERE.

I HAVE IT WRITTEN HERE IF YOU, WE GOT IT HERE TOO, SO, BUT I'LL TAKE IT AFTERWARDS.

SECOND DISCUSSION ITEM, UM, DEALS WITH THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA TAX, THE SEPARATION.

SO CURRENTLY REVENUE IS IN THE GENERAL FUND AND IS UTILIZED TO PROVIDE SERVICES, WHICH INCLUDE PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS THAT POSITIVELY IMPACT HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF YOUTH AND ADULTS.

UH, EXAMPLES AGENCIES WHO RECEIVE DOLLARS AS PART OF CART PROCESS.

UM, ONE ADDITIONAL OPTION THAT WE HAVE IS TO CREATE A SEPARATE FUND FOR THESE DOLLARS.

UM, I THINK, KATHY, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE ELOQUENTLY ON THIS ONE, BUT I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THAT.

THERE'S JUST NOTHING IN IT.

KATHY BANIS, FINANCE DIRECTOR.

SO THERE'S NOTHING IN IT.

WHY? BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MOVED ANYTHING.

NO, THERE WAS NEVER A DECISION MADE, JUST HOW MUCH TO MOVE.

BUT WE GET THAT FROM THE STATE, RIGHT? WE GET THAT INFORMATION.

UM, YES.

WE GET IT IN OUR SALES TAX.

SO ALL YEAR LONG WE'VE BEEN GETTING IT IN OUR SALES TAX CHECK, AND THEN WE GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WAS FROM THE MARIJUANA VENDORS.

AND SO WE KNOW APPROXIMATELY WHAT WE'RE GETTING, BUT WE NEVER MOVED IT INTO ITS OWN FUND.

SO IT REALLY IS JUST IF, IF YOU GUYS WANNA MOVE IT INTO A FUND OF ITS OWN.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE COUNCILMAN ROBBINS HAD TALKED ABOUT THE 480, WHICH IS WHAT WE EXPECT TO GET IN ABOUT IN A YEAR.

IT'S NOT EXACT, BUT, UM, WE WOULD KNOW IT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR, AND WE COULD EITHER, LIKE EVERY MONTH PUT, FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT WAS, AND THEN PUT, YOU KNOW, OUR GENERAL FUND PIECE OF THAT INTO THE, INTO THAT SEPARATE FUND.

OR WE COULD PUT THE WHOLE THING.

IT IS MATCHED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT COMES IN AND THEN WE BASICALLY, WE KEEP A THIRD OF IT.

SO IT'S REALLY, FOR ME, I'D REALLY JUST LIKE DIRECTION ON, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? DO YOU WANT A FUND THAT HAS THAT THIRD AND WE'LL JUST MOVE IT FROM GENERAL FUND TO THE MARIJUANA FUND SO YOU CAN SEE IT AND SPEND IT, LET IT ACCUMULATE, RUN IT THROUGH KARK.

DON'T RUN IT THROUGH KARK.

I, I DON'T WANNA RUN IT THROUGH KA OKAY.

NECESSARILY, BUT, AND WE CAN START THAT.

SO SOMEWHERE ON TERRA SAYS WE'RE SPENDING 5 MILLION ON, ON HEALTH AND WELFARE RIGHT OUT OF OUR BUDGET AND ONE OF THE PIE CHARTS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

SO I, I MEAN, YEAH.

RECEIVING IS GOING TOWARDS HEALTH AND WELFARE.

SO HEALTH AND WELFARE, 5 MILLION, ALMOST $6 MILLION.

UM, THIS IS GONNA BE MAYBE WHAT? 200 AND HUNDRED? IT'S $150,000.

I THINK.

HUNDRED $50,000.

I MEAN, TO ME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN MOORE, JOSH MOORE, I THINK THE INTENT OF SPONSORING THIS WAS TO HAVE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY THAT THIS ADDITIONAL REVENUE THAT WE'RE

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AND I FEEL LIKE I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL GOES INTO THE 6 MILLION.

UM, I JUST WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE FUND OR JUST SHOWING THAT WE TRULY ARE HAVING PART OF OUR BUDGET EQUAL TO THIS AMOUNT GOING TOWARDS THE THINGS THAT WAS INTENDED FOR.

AND SO I'D BE OPEN TO WHAT YOUR ALL'S THOUGHTS ARE.

I DON'T, THERE ARE A LOT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT APPLY FOR CARC FUNDS THAT I THINK WOULD FALL INTO THE CATEGORIES THAT THE ORDINANCE INTENDED.

UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M JUST NOT SURE.

AND MAYBE PUT THEM ON A LINE ITEM UNDER HEALTH AND WELLNESS.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? PUT WHO UNDER, IF THEY, IF SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN CLARK, IF THEY QUALIFY, I JUST WANNA KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS WE CAN.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

WHILE HONORING THE, THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, THE IDEA THAT MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTIONAL TAX REVENUE HAS BEEN GENERATED BY MARIJUANA.

AND THAT RIGHT THERE, THAT STATEMENT RIGHT THERE, YES.

TO ME, HONORS THAT IS THAT WE'RE USING MM-HMM.

5 MILLION RIGHT NOW, PLUS SIX ON LIST TO, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO GROW FOR, UM, OUR HEALTH AND WELFARE AND OUR MENTAL STABILITY.

UH, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU SOMETHING, I WAS GONNA SAY SEVERAL HOURS FROM NOW AT THE END OF THIS, UH, COUNCIL MEETING WAS THAT WE, WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR, FOR MENTAL HEALTH IN EDMOND ABSOLUTELY IS BEING RECOGNIZED REGIONALLY.

AND JUST LIKE CJ THE OTHER DAY RECOGNIZED US IN THE LAST MEETING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, IMPLEMENTING OUR MENTAL HEALTH PROCEDURES AND ALL THAT.

SO TO ME, THE STATEMENT THAT WE'RE DOING IT, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO HIGHLIGHT IT, THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE, UH, ACTUALLY BRICK AND MORTAR EVIDENCE OUT HERE IN THE TOWN.

BEEN ALLOCATED TO HEALTH AND WELLNESS.

I, I GUESS I'M, I'M AGREEING WITH YOU AND I'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE TO SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED YET ANOTHER FUND AND ANOTHER LINE ITEM WHEN I THINK CLEARLY WE'RE USING THAT 180 TOWARDS HEALTH AND WELFARE WHEN WE'RE SPENDING 6 MILLION AND WE DID THE RENOVATIONS FOR NORTH CARE, AND WE HAVE, SO I, IT'S NOT LIKE XI DON'T KNOW KNOW.

SO AS I'VE PONDERED IT, THIS IS WHERE I COME, I MEAN, UM, EVERYONE SERVES FOR A SEASON.

IT COULD BE TWO YEARS, IT COULD BE 20 OR IN BETWEEN.

EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET TO A POINT WHERE THOSE THAT WERE PARTICIPATING IN THAT CONVERSATION WON'T BE UP HERE.

WE WON'T HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE.

AND SO IT'S IN, SO THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK BACK IS THAT AGENDA NOTES, MINUTES AND THE TAPE, OR YOU TRY TO CATCH UP OVER FOR COFFEE.

AND SO, UM, AS I'VE TALKED TO COUNCILOR MOORE AND OTHERS, DEFINITELY THERE WAS AN INTENT TO SEGREGATE, TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDS, LIKE, AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS THE BENEFIT OF THAT.

THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE IS I DON'T WANT, WHETHER IT'S THIS ISSUE OR A HOST OF OTHER ISSUES THAT THIS COUNCIL OR ANY OTHER COUNCIL DOES FOR OTHERS TO GO THERE AND BE LIKE, UH, OR NOT KNOW THE INTENT.

SO I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO IT AND HONORING THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE DEBATE AND THE CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED IN AND AROUND, UH, PASSING IT, OR THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE TO NOT HAVE IT GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE THEN IT JUST BECOMES WHOEVER'S UP HERE AS A GUARDIAN OR TO UNDERSTAND OR KNOW, BUT TO PUT IT IN A SEPARATE FUND.

NOW FOR THIS YEAR, AS WE ARE FLAT, WE COULD SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'VE DONE THIS WITH NORTH CARE.

WE'VE DONE THAT.

WE'RE MEETING AN OBLIGATION.

WE CAN POINT TO THIS LINE, TO THIS LINE AND SAY, THESE DOLLARS HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED.

IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER COUNCIL, UH, THAT COMES AND SAYS, WOW, WE NOW HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OR THIS, BUT THEY GET TO START WITH THE INTENT OF THAT.

NOW WE COULD, OR ANOTHER COUNCIL COULD COME ALONG AND SAY, LET'S REPEAL THAT RESOLUTION.

LET'S, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T MOVE IT OUT, THE GENERAL RELU, IF WE DON'T MOVE IT OUTTA THE RESOLUTION FUND, I WOULD QUESTION WHY DO WE DO ANY OF THAT WORK, RIGHT.

FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT.

LIKE WHY, WHY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? THEN? IT'S JUST A ONE OFF POLICY DECISION THAT WE JUST MAKE IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SORT OF SETS A STANDARD.

SO WHAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IS SEGREGATING THE DOLLARS, AND THEN WE CAN AGREE AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AS FAR AS WHERE IT GOES.

AND I COULD VERY WELL GIVE IN THIS BUDGET, SAY, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING THE OBLIGATION AND THEN 10 YEARS FROM NOW ANOTHER COUNCIL.

BUT WHAT THEY CAN'T DO IS, IS JUST SAY, OH, THAT'S GENERAL OBLIGATION DOLLARS.

IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE AND A PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT, OR HOWEVER THAT WORKS.

I'M NOT SURE.

BUT I, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

'CAUSE AS I, AS YOU'RE DESCRIBING THIS, I'M THINKING, WHAT IF THAT AMOUNT CONTINUES TO INCREASE? RIGHT? MM-HMM.

AND, UM, KNOWING WHAT IS GENERATED BY THE MARIJUANA SALES, I THINK HAS SOME VALUE TO IT.

UM, SO, AND KNOWING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO SPEND THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE IF IT'S ALREADY

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IT'S A VERY GENERAL, IT'S A VERY GENERAL LABEL.

I THINK I SAY, I SAY YOU GUYS JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE, BUT THERE'S SOME ACCOUNTABILITY TO THAT.

IT SAID PUBLIC BENEFIT.

THERE WAS, IT WAS A BROAD TERM.

I MEAN, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE OR NARROW SAYING IT HAS TO BE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS A DEAL.

LIKE IT WAS VERY BROAD.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IF ANOTHER COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE DECIDES THAT HEALTH AND WELFARE IS NOT SO IMPORTANT, AND THEY JUST TOTALLY CUT THAT CATEGORY OUT, IF THERE'S A SEPARATE FUND WITH THOSE MONIES IN IT FOR THAT PURPOSE, THEN THERE IS MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.

I AGREE.

SO, SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY, AND I'D SAY HAVE IT BE SEPARATE AND THEN JUST AS A POLICY DECISION, SAY WE'RE MEETING IT THIS WAY, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT.

RIGHT? BUT THERE'S AN INTENTIONAL THOUGHT OF X AMOUNT IS HERE.

WHAT HAVE WE DONE IN THE CATEGORIES THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS YES.

OR DO WE NEED TO RETHINK SOME THINGS? MM-HMM.

AND SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS JUST KEEP IT SIM UH, SIMPLE.

I AGREE.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS COUNCIL, THE OF NEXT COUNCIL TO BE THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, WHICH COMMUNITY PROGRAM IS GONNA GET THE MONEY? SEE, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY A COMMUNITY PROGRAM OR THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.

OH, IT DOES.

IN THE CITY OF EVAN V USED FOR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS AND EDMOND DEATH POSITIVE IMPACT HEALTH PROGRAMS. BUT I MEAN, PROGRAMS COULD BE AND PROJECT WHAT I, IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY ORGANIZATIONS, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT LIKE NORTH CARE OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT.

I MEAN, WOULD YOU, WE JUST HAD THE HOUR LONG DISCUSSION ON CAR FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

I, BUT DID YOU VOTE AGAINST THE MARIJUANA THING WHEN IT CAME UP? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT SAID THEN.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT.

THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE, SIR.

THE ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS THIS, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME NUMBER, AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION WE HAD AT THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN THIS CAME OUT.

THERE'S SOME NUMBER, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, IT'S GONNA COME INTO OUR, OUR COFFERS AND WE'RE GONNA, WE WANT TO USE IT TO HELP WITH OUR MENTAL HEALTH OR, OR, AND ALL THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND ALL I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IS JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE ON HOW TO DO THAT AND NOT HAVE IT GET SO COMPLICATED THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 125,000.

'CAUSE I THINK THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN HAVE TR HAVE GONE DOWN FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR THE MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UM, THE MARIJUANA TAX.

ALL, ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS SAY IT'S, IT IS, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A, MY RECOMMENDATION.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOME COMPLEX THING IN THAT WE ARE RECOGNIZING IT, WE ARE USING THE MONEY.

IT IS GOING INTO, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, ASPECTS OF IT.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

BUT WE CAN MAKE IT AS COMPLEX AS YOU WANT IT.

BUT I DON'T SEE THE VALUE OF MAKING IT THAT COMPLEX.

I DON'T EITHER.

I MEAN, SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT IT INTO A SEGREGATED FUND AND THAT IT'S JUST APPROVED BY COUNSEL, WHAT THAT FUND'S USED FOR, OR TO VERIFY THAT IT'S BEEN USED.

A RESOLUTION THAT WAS VOTED ON THAT WAS HAD PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, DEBATE AND COMMENT AND ALL THAT STUFF.

OR DID WHATEVER THE, THE, THE, THE FUNDS ARE SEGREGATED AND THEN COUNSEL DE DETERMINES IF THEY'VE BEEN PROPERLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ATTACHED TO A BUDGET ITEM THAT MEETS THE INTENT.

AND I DIDN'T LEGALLY SAY THAT.

CORRECT.

I KNOW.

SO , I DON'T KNOW THE LEGAL, YEAH.

I DON'T WANT THE COUNSEL QUOTE ALLOCATING THE FUNDS SEPARATELY.

BUT I THINK IF THERE'S, IT HAS TO GO INTO A, IT HAS TO GO INTO AN ACCOUNT, SOME ACCOUNTABILITY, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW.

SAY LIKE PUT INTO A, AN ACCOUNT, HOWEVER, DID, I DON'T, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WE APPROVED THE ENTIRE BUDGET.

BUT, SO LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE, THE, UM, FINANCE GIVING US THE REPORT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS SAYING THAT WE RECEIVED X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FROM THE MARIJUANA TAX, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION.

BUT THIS WAS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED WITH INTENT TO BE MORE BINDING AS FAR AS FUTURE COUNCILS TO GIVE THEM A ROADMAP.

AND IF THEY WANTED TO UNDO IT, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE TO UNDO IT OR ELSE IT WOULD JUST BE A NORMAL BUDGET DISCUSSION.

YOU KNOW, ONE THING YOU COULD DO IF YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE SEEING IT SOMEHOW AND THAT IT'S BEING USED IS YOU, YOU COULD PUT IT IN A MARIJUANA FUND AND THEN MOVE IT TO WHATEVER OTHER FUND IS ALREADY PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES.

ISN'T THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT OUR HEALTH AND WELFARE? WE'RE ALREADY DOING SOME OF IT.

SO YOU COULD, YOU CAN MOVE IT BETWEEN FUNDS IF YOU'RE WANTING TO HONOR THE RESOLUTION.

YOU YEAH.

WHERE YOU, I MEAN IT JUST IDENTIFIED AND THEN SPECIFICALLY JUST, THAT'S WHAT LIKE, BECAUSE IT GOES, BECAUSE IT WAS PASSES

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LIKE THERE'S AN ACTUAL INTENT BEHIND IT.

BUT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, PEOPLE COULD LOOK AT THAT IN THE GENERAL REVENUE FUND AND BE LIKE, NEXT, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW? SO, AND YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING BY RUNNING A REPORT AND SHOWING YOU'VE SPENT THIS MUCH, WE COULD RUN A REPORT AS WELL.

SO WE COULD EITHER DO THE REPORT OR WE COULD HAVE THE FUND THAT SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S BEING USED FOR THE INTENT.

IT WAS, YES.

THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.

WE'LL KNOW THE NUMBER, WE WILL KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER AND, AND RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO BUDGET'S, PERFECT TIME TO ACTUALLY GET IT DECIDED SO THAT WE CAN START AT JULY 1ST AND UM, WE'LL RE REPORT BACK TO YOU OR SET UP A FUND OR, UM, HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.

SO HAVING IT AS A SEPARATE FUND VERSUS A REPORT, THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT MORE WORK OR COMPLICATION OR THERE IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS PER YOUR VOTE ANYWAY.

SO YES.

IF IT, IF YOU INSTRUCTED AND WE PUT IT IN A FUND FOR MARIJUANA RIGHT NOW, AND WE DIDN'T SPEND IT OUT OF THAT FUND ON SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT YOU WANTED TO SAY, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS HEALTH AND WELFARE, UM, EXPENSE I'VE ALREADY GOT GOING ON, WE WANNA SUPPLEMENT IT.

YOU'D HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT, BUT, AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE IT.

SO IT'S, I MEAN, KIND OF A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION FOR SOME OTHER FUND.

OR YOU COULD JUST SPEND IT ON SOMETHING ELSE OUT OF THAT FUND.

SO I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I WOULD JUST LOOK TO OUR LAWYER AND COUNCILOR .

SO WHEN WE PASS A, A POLICY OR A BUDGET, THAT'S A ONE TIME WHEN WE DO A RESOLUTION, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE RE WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD AS FAR AS DOING SOMETHING IN THAT? I MEAN, I WOULD LOOK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

SO A RESOLUTION CARRIES THE FORCE OF LAW.

IT'S JUST NOT AN ORDINANCE LIKE CODIFIED INTO THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

SO YOU PASSED A RESOLUTION PREVIOUSLY DIRECTING STAFF TO DO X, Y, Z, AND THAT IS THE SAME AS IF YOU HAD PASSED IT VIA ORDINANCE.

IT'S JUST NOT APPLICABLE TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

GOTCHA.

IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO, SO IN THAT REGARD, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IT, THIS IS ME, ME, A NON-LAWYER, TOM.

BUT WE'D HAVE TO DO IT IN INSTRUCTS OR ELSE HAVE A VOTE TO REPEAL IT.

RIGHT? SO YOU COULD, YOU WOULD VOTE TO REPEAL OR RESCIND THAT RESOLUTION OR YOU COULD VOTE ON A DIFFERENT RESOLUTION THAT SUPERSEDES OR REPEALS, LIKE CONFLICTING PORTIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION.

SO SINCE IT IS IN A LAW, IT'S BEING USED TO ITS INTENT ARE, ARE WE LEGALLY BY NOT HAVING A SEPARATE FUND, ARE WE LEGALLY ABIDING BY THIS? THAT THAT'S THE QUESTION.

THAT'S THE QUESTION.

I THINK HOW DO WE LEGALLY, WITHOUT REPEALING THIS, RESCINDING IT, CHANGING IT, HOW DO WE LEGALLY DO THIS COMPLIANCE? YEAH.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT RESOLUTION WAS WRITTEN BROADLY ENOUGH SO THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME FLEXIBILITY.

I THINK THE PHRASE LIKE SET ASIDE IS IN THERE MM-HMM.

SO TO ME THAT MEANS ASIDE FROM THE GENERAL FUND, BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL.

HOW YOU WANT TO DIRECT STAFF TO FULFILL THAT INTENT.

SO YOU BELIEVE AS FAR AS IF, IF IT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND, WE'RE GOOD.

I MEAN, IT, IT COULD BE, I MEAN, IT CAN BE ACCOUNTED FOR BY A REPORT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE GENERAL FUND.

OR IT COULD BE, LIKE KATHY SAID, IN A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT THAT'S UP, UP TO YOU ALL HOW YOU WANNA HANDLE THAT.

IF IT, I MEAN EVEN THE FINANCING COME UP AND CREATE THE LINE ITEM, PUT IT IN THE SEPARATE LINE ITEM, AND THEN SHOW HOW IT'S BEING TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE MENTAL HEALTH AREA.

YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ALL ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME WE MOVE BETWEEN FUNDS, IT COMES TO YOU GUYS.

SURE.

SO YOU WOULD SEE IT, IT WOULD BE PUBLIC.

LET ME, UM, OR WE COULD DO A REPORT.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

ALRIGHT.

SO THAT'S, SO TO CLARIFY, WE'LL HAVE IT IN A SORT OF SEPARATE FUND AND THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO JUST SEE IT AND THEN WE'D SHOW WHERE IT TRANSFERRED INTO.

AND THEN IF WE EVER WANTED TO DISCUSS IT AS FAR AS A DIFFERENT USE OR SOMETHING, WE COULD DO IT AS A COUNCIL.

IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND, MR. MAYOR? YES.

I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS IF WE HAVE A SEPARATE FUND AND WE MOVE IT OVER TO THE NORTH CARE THING, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT.

RIGHT? SO THERE'S A, WHEN WE MOVE THE FUNDS FROM A SEPARATE FUND, THERE'S A VOTE OR THERE'S MORE OF A, HERE THERE'S AN ACCOUNTING OF, YOU KNOW, ON WHATEVER BASIS WE SEE HOW MUCH IS EARNED, HAVE WE ALLOCATED AT LEAST THAT MUCH TOWARDS THESE PROGRAMS AND, AND SOME KIND OF REPORT OR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THAT, WHICH WOULDN'T BE A VOTE.

IS THAT, AM I SUMMARIZING? OKAY.

FIRST PASSED, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE A REAL GOOD WAY TO IDENTIFY IT.

AND WHEN THIS WAS

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WE FIGURED THAT OUT.

SO WE'VE GOT THAT NOW WE HAVE THAT, AND IT NEVER GOT MOVED BECAUSE KIND OF OF THAT.

AND SO WE KNOW BACK TO WHEN THIS WAS PASSED EXACTLY WHAT WE GOT EVERY MONTH.

AND SO THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A VOTE TOO.

LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO GO BACK AND THEN, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE WOULD'VE SET THE FUND UP INITIALLY IF WE HAD KNOWN THE AMOUNT TO PUT IN IT.

AND THEN TIME GOES BY.

NOW WE KNOW, AND WE HAVE A METHOD.

I KNOW I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH A BIT 'CAUSE I DON'T LIKE THINGS TO BE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THEY NEED TO BE.

BUT I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE FUND.

AND, AND UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO REPEAL THIS OR REVISE THIS RESOLUTION, I, I THINK TO TRULY HONOR THIS, THAT MAKES SENSE.

BUT I'M, I'M ALSO JUST ONE PERSON.

OH, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT IF YOU WOULD.

SECOND.

SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO CREATE THE SEPARATE FUND THEN WHAT? IT, IT GETS MOVED OVER TO WHATEVER.

THAT'S I THINK ISN THAT ISN THAT WHAT I, THAT'S THE, THE ACCOUNTABILITY TO SAY WE EARNED X AMOUNT AND WE ARE USING IT FOR THIS THING WHICH FALLS WITHIN THIS.

AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS ADDRESSED MAYBE IN THE RESOLUTION, MAYBE IT WAS, BUT OUR GENERAL FUND SHARE ONLY NOT, YEAH.

NOT WHAT, YEAH.

NOT THE POLICE FIRE.

I MEAN, I THINK IT JUST HAS TO BE THE NET, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

AND WE CAN DO THAT MONTHLY.

WHENEVER WE GET OUR CHECK, BUT WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET.

JUST FOR CLARITY, UM, WHAT I'M HEARING IS A MOTION TO CREATE A SEPARATE FUND JUST FOR THE GENERAL FUND SHARE, BUT I, I DID NOT HEAR, IS THIS GOING BACK TO WHEN THE RESOLUTION WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED OR JUST GOING FORWARD? IS IT FORWARD? GOING FORWARD? GOING FORWARD? OKAY.

YEAH, MS. AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I MEAN WE CAN PUT, 'CAUSE IT WENT THROUGH CLARK, LIKE, I MEAN THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH CLARK, BUT IT WAS PART OF THE NU IT WAS PART OF THE AMOUNT.

SO IT'S, WE HAVEN'T LOST IT, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO SEE, HEY, WE GOT THIS MUCH AND HERE WERE THE CARC ENTITIES THAT BENEFITED, WE COULD THAT TO SEE.

I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF WHAT WE DID WITH KARK WITH THE 3%, RIGHT? I MEAN, YEAH, SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER FUNDS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE THROUGH KARK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HONOR.

YES, HONOR THIS.

AND TO ME WE NEED TO, I GUESS, INTENTIONALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, YES, WE'RE USING THE 180 50 IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROJECTS ON THE BOOK, LIKE NORTH CARE.

BUT I, AGAIN, WE, WE SPEND QUITE A BIT ON HEALTH AND WELFARE AND THIS IS PRETTY BROAD.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR US TO ALLOCATE AND TRANSFER FUNDS TO AN APPROPRIATE PROJECT.

NO.

UM, CORRECT.

WE HAVE THE AUTHOR OF THE RESOLUTION IN THE ROOM, HERE.

I MEAN, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

WELL, BUT, BUT THAT'S, IT'S, I KNOW, I KNOW.

LET'S JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE.

PLAN, FOUR STARS, ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, UH, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT DANFORTH AND KELLY.

, I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU GOTTA JUST REMEMBER THE NEXT TIME THERE'S GONNA BE FIVE PEOPLE UP HERE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, AND THE AUTHOR'S GONNA HAVE GRANDKIDS AND, AND, AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, .

SO LET'S JUST KEEP, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S HONORING IT.

BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO I GUESS WE HAVE A MOTION, RIGHT? DO YOU HAVE THE MOTION? I MEAN, IN A SECOND.

IN A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT, PLEASE? ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

WE GOT INTO THE WEEDS OF THAT ONE.

PRESIDENT, YOU GOTTA GO.

WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT THROUGH.

ALRIGHT, SO FOR THE 2000 2017 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SALES TAX, UH, REVENUES FOR THE NEXT YEAR, TAXES AND INTEREST OF 32 MILLION, UH, LOAN PROCEEDS OF 58 MILLION LESS THE 81.1 MILLION BORROWED IN FISCAL YEAR 23 FOR CITY CENTER AND, UH, LIBRARY YMCA EXPENSES, UH, 12 MILLION, UM, LOAN REPAYMENT, UH, 73 MILLION IN PROJECTS.

AND THE LARGE PROJECTS CON CONSIST OF FINISHING CITY CENTERS, START LIBRARY AND YMCA AND ALSO START A C CAPLINGER.

UM, ALL OF THESE ARE, UH, COUNCIL'S, STRATEGIC

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UM, THIS IS ADDITIONAL TURN LANES AND MEDIANS CONSTRUCTION.

UH, CONTRACT AWARDED INVOLVED, UH, 2024.

UM, CITIES COST APPROXIMATELY 3 MILLION.

AND THEN FEDERAL MATCH OF 7.2 CAPPED, UM, PHASE FOUR OF INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC SYSTEMS. THIS IS UPGRADE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TECHNOLOGY AT 22 INTERSECTIONS.

UH, MONITOR AND ADJUST TRAFFIC IN REAL TIME WITH THIS, UH, THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 25 COSTS CITY APPROXIMATELY 5.8 MILLION AND 7.3 FEDERAL CAP.

UH, BOTH OF THESE ARE ALSO, UH, FOUR STAR STRATEGIC PLANNING ITEMS, TRAILS IN THESE, UH, ROUTE 66 TRAIL CONNECTION.

THAT IS 1.8 MILES OF CONNECTING ROUTE 66 TRAIL TO SPRING CREEK.

SPRING CREEK TRAIL.

UH, CURRENT DESIGN IS 90% AND THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS REVIEWING THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE.

UH, TO FOLLOW COST OF THIS IS APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION, UH, OF CITY FUNDS AND 1 MILLION CAP TO FEDERAL FUNDS.

UH, THIS IS A TWO STAR PRIORITY.

UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE IS THE CREEK BEND TRAIL, COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION OF OF ENDS AND BEGINNING MIDDLE SECTION ONCE LAND ACQUIRED.

THINK PROJECT SUBSTITUTIONS, NOT ADDITIONS.

UM, YES, ONTO THE NEXT, UH, MOBILITY AND TRANSPORT.

TRANSPORTATION.

THERE IS THE I 35 FRONTAGE ROAD, UM, CONVERT TO ONE WAY THAT'S A THREE STAR SECOND STREET SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT I 35 TO SANTA FE.

THAT IS ALSO A THREE STAR, UH, RECONSTRUCTION AND RESURFACING OF, OF STREETS ANNUALLY.

UH, THAT'S ALSO A THREE STAR, UH, ITS PHASE FIVE.

UH, DESIGN AND MASTER PLAN UPDATE, UH, PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

UH, THAT IS A FOUR STAR ITEM.

AND THEN IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE CATEGORY, WE HAVE, UH, PELICAN BAY IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS A FOUR STAR INITIATIVE.

AND THEN ALSO ARCADIA LAKE MASTER PLAN IMPROVEMENT, RESTROOMS AND ENTRY SIGNS, WHICH IS A ONE STAR TAKEAWAY OF ALL THIS.

UH, THERE'S A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OF MAJOR, MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, STAFFING PROPOSED IN FY 24, UH, FIVE YEAR OUTLOOK FUNDS ARE MAXED OUT THINGS.

I KNOW THAT'S, UH, ANDY COINED THAT PHRASE I BELIEVE.

UM, AND THEN ALSO MIND THE GAP, EXPLORING ADDITIONAL LONG-TERM FUNDING SOURCES.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE A VERY LARGE FUNDING GAP BETWEEN THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH AND THE AVAILABLE FUNDS TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE PROJECTS.

UM, THAT IS REALLY TRULY WHERE WE'RE SITTING WITH CAPITAL.

UM, AND I REALLY DON'T THINK ANYTHING ELSE SUMS IT UP MORE THAN JUST THINK PROJECT SUBSTITUTIONS, THOUGHT ADDITIONS FOR AS WE STAND CURRENTLY.

ALRIGHT, NEXT STEPS.

UH, SO TODAY WE HAVE THE BUDGET HEARING.

UM, THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET ON JUNE 10TH.

AND THEN, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE TRANSMITTAL OF THE BUDGET HAS TO OCCUR BY JULY 31ST.

THERE IS ROOM, UM, WE HAVE UNTIL JULY 24TH, YOU HAVE A FINAL VOTE, BUT I, THE NEXT DATE THAT WE HAVE SET FOR THE VOTE ON THE ADOPTED BUDGET IS JUNE 10TH.

THOSE ARE THE NEXT STEPS.

UM, WE HAVE AFTER THAT QUESTIONS AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

SO THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET PUBLISHED IN THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO GIVE YOU A RECONCILIATION OF WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS BETWEEN WHAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE OKLAHOMAN AND WHAT WE STAND HERE TODAY WITH.

SO, UM, FIRST ITEM WAS A DECREASE OF UPDATING ARPA FY 25 BUDGET CHANGES DUE TO CURRENT YEAR ACTIVITIES CHANGES.

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UM, THEN THERE WAS AN ADDITION, INTERNAL SERVICES FUND IT SUPPORT AND OTHER CHARGES INTERNAL SERVICES FUND ENGINEERING SUPPLIES, INTERNAL SERVICES FUND, UH, PUBLIC WORKS ADMIN SUPPLY INCREASE.

UM, THESE INCREASES THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, THE SUPPLIES AND OTHER PURPOSES, UH, ENGINEERING SUPPLIES, ADMIN SUPPLIES, UH, SERVICES, SUPPLIES, FIRE SUPPLIES, POLICE SUPPLIES.

ALL OF THESE ARE RELATED TO NEW POSITIONS.

UM, ON THE NEXT FUNDING, UH, FUND, UH, URBAN FORESTY FUND FOR GRANT ADDITIONS.

SO WE HAVE, UH, HAD THE ADDITION OF, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE IRA, UH, GRANT.

THIS IS THE, THAT IN REALITY IN THE BUDGET, UM, THAT AFFECTED THE BUDGET BY, UH, 70,000 IN PERSONNEL, 13,000 SUPPLIES AND THEN 98.7 AND OTHER CHARGES.

UM, ALL OF THIS IS GRANT FUNDED AND IT DOES NOT AFFECT ANY OTHER FUNDS IN ANY OTHER WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL FUND THAT WE HAVE, UH, CONNECTED TO THE BUDGET THAT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL SENT TO THE OKLAHOMAN.

UM, THEN ALSO GENERAL FUND COMMUNITY IMAGE, UH, DECREASE DUE TO THE SAME POSITION.

UM, YEAH, SO THE PROPOSED BUDGET HEARING AMOUNT IS THE 400 440 5 MILLION.

UM, WHEREAS IN THE OKLAHOMAN WE HAD, UH, 444 MILLION POSTED NET CHANGE INCREASE TO THE BUDGET WAS $213,975.

NEXT ITEM, THIS IS, OKAY, SO I WANTED TO KATHY P FIND INSTRUCTOR AGAIN, I WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU GUYS TODAY AND, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ADDRESS THE ERROR THAT WE FOUND FOR THE $10 MILLION.

AND I WANTED TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED.

AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M TAKING FULL RESPONSIBILITY ON MAY 13TH.

WE AND THE BUDGET COMMITTEE HAD MET SEVERAL TIMES AND WE WERE ALL TALKING, THIS IS CHANGING ALL THE TIME, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH OUR, UH, BUDGET BETWEEN WHAT WE PUBLISHED IN THE OKLAHOMA AND AND WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? THANK YOU.

EVERYBODY'S LOOKING THROUGH IT.

SO ANYWAY, SO ON THE 13TH WE DID HAVE OUR BUDGET HEARING AND IT TALKED ABOUT THE EXCESS FUNDS.

AND AT THAT POINT WE DID THINK, WE RUN THESE, WE'VE GOTTA WORKBOOK.

IT'S AN EXCEL WORKBOOK, UNFORTUNATELY, WHICH IS PRONE TO ERROR, BUT WE TRY TO LOOK THROUGH IT.

I DID A DEEP DIVE REVIEW OF IT ON THE 19TH AND I FOUND THIS $10 MILLION ERROR.

AND WHAT IT WAS, WAS WE USE THIS WORKBOOK EVERY YEAR AND WE, WE USE IT EVERY YEAR.

I PREPARED IT LAST YEAR AND I, WE GOT OUR FEMA REIMBURSEMENT OF TEN EIGHT ONE EIGHT SIX NINETY NINE LATE IN MAY, MID-MAY TO LATE IN MAY.

TYPICALLY WHEN WE DO THIS, THIS BUDGET BOOK WE DUMP FROM OUR, OUR, OUR SOFTWARE.

SO WE ARE SURE WE'RE PICKING UP EVERYTHING ANYBODY PUT IN THAT'S NEW.

AND, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR BANK STATEMENT YET 'CAUSE WE WOULD'VE RECEIVED THAT IN LATE OR MID-JUNE.

SO I, I HAND ENTERED IT, THE 10 MILLION AND IT TOOK UP OUR FUND BALANCE, WHICH WE EXPECTED IT TO.

WELL UNFORTUNATELY THAT WAS STILL THERE WHEN WE ROLLED THE BOOK THIS YEAR.

SO WHEN I DID MY REVIEW, I FOUND IT TOOK IT OUT.

UM, IT WAS ON A SUNDAY.

AND SO I TALKED TO JARED THE FOLLOWING MONDAY.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOKED THROUGH IT, THAT I HADN'T MISSED SOMETHING.

IT WASN'T SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT INDEED IT HAD BEEN DUPLICATED.

SO BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS WE ADDED IT IN OUR FUND BALANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET.

AND THEN WHEN WE ROLLED OUR BOOK, IT WAS STILL IN THERE AGAIN.

SO WE DUPLICATED IT AND IT'S ALMOST, I MEAN, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO WHAT THE OVERAGE WAS.

SO TAKING THAT OUT AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THESE BUDGETS, IT'S EVER CHANGING.

WHENEVER SOMEBODY, THESE CHANGES TODAY ARE GONNA CAUSE CHANGES TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OUR NUMBER.

AND, UM, SO I FEEL IT'S VERY IMPORTANT JUST TO KEEP A RUNNING LIST SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM AND TO.

AND SO HAD THAT $10 MILLION NOT BEEN IN THERE ON THE MAY 13TH MEETING, WE ACTUALLY WOULD'VE BEEN SITTING AT 9.9%.

SO WE WOULDN'T

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HAVE QUITE MET OUR 10% THRESHOLD FOR OUR GENERAL FUND UNRESTRICTED.

AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE SEE.

AND IT'LL GO ANYWHERE FROM, I MEAN, 7% UP TO 12 GENERALLY WHENEVER YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO PEOPLE CHANGING THEIR BUDGETS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU, I'M SORRY I MISSED IT.

AND UM, IT, IT WAS MY, MY DEEP PREVIEW THAT I FOUND IT.

AND SO I FELT VERY IMPORTANT THOUGH, THAT WE'RE TRANSPARENT WITH YOU GUYS, THAT I'M HONEST ABOUT IT.

IT WAS MY DEAL.

AND, UM, SO IN THE FUTURE I WILL BE DOING THIS MUCH, MUCH EARLIER.

WE HAD A LOT OF CHANGES THIS YEAR JUST IN HOW WE WERE PRESENTING THE BUDGET AND THE, UH, PARTICIPATION FROM THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE TIMING AND EVERYTHING.

SO WE'VE LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS AND WE'LL DOING THINGS MUCH, MUCH SOONER NEXT YEAR.

AND I WILL BE REVIEWING THINGS MUCH MORE DETAILED EARLIER.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

IT WAS, IT, IT HAPPENED AND I'D MUCH RATHER BRING IT OUT NOW THAN FIND IT, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE PASS THE BUDGET AND, AND THEN WE FIND WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE SAME NOTE, THE CALCULATION THAT THAT'S LOOKING AT.

WE HAD THAT BUDGET SUMMARY AND THERE WAS A PACKET INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, IN THIS AGENDA AND THE BUDGET SUMMARY, WHAT ALWAYS, IT'S THE VERY FIRST BUDGET SUMMARY IS THE COLUMN WITH THE GENERAL FUND IN IT.

AND AT THE BOTTOM IT'LL SAY 10.14, 10.5 OR WHATEVER.

AND, UM, EVEN WITH THESE CHANGES TODAY, AND I CAN TELL YOU I'VE TALKED TO FOUR DEPARTMENTS TODAY THAT ARE ASKING QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ADOPT IT.

SO IT'S GONNA CHANGE AGAIN.

SO I HATE TO THROW OUT LIKE, OH, WE'VE GOT THIS MUCH MONEY THAT YOU CAN SPEND.

'CAUSE IT CHANGES ALL THE TIME.

I WOULD SAY WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS HAVE MORE FREQUENT BUDGET REVIEWS, ESPECIALLY MIDTERM.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE YOU ENDED AT JUNE 30TH OF THIS YEAR.

'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET.

THAT'S GONNA AFFECT YOUR FUND BALANCE.

SO IF WE HAVE A, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE TO BUY SUB LARGE SPEECH OF EQUIPMENT OR SOMETHING ON JUNE 28TH, THAT'S GONNA AFFECT ALL THE, THE FUND BALANCES.

SO ANYWAY, IT'S JUST A ROLLING THING.

BUT, UM, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY, IF WE COULD DO QUARTERLY BUDGET REVIEW, ESPECIALLY MIDTERM, YOU'LL SEE MUCH BETTER.

OH, WE COLLECTED MORE REVENUE, SO NOW WE DO HAVE SOME DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, NOW WE CAN FINISH THIS PROJECT.

ONE THING ABOUT IT, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WAS IT WASN'T OPERATING, IT WOULD'VE HELPED BRIDGE OUR GAP OF THE 300 MILLION THAT WERE SHORT IN CAPITAL PROJECTS IS WHAT IT WOULD'VE IS WHAT IT WOULD'VE DONE.

SO, UM, OPERATIONS ARE FINE.

WE'RE COVERING EVERYTHING, WE'RE GOOD.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO REALLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU GUYS.

I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT IT SOONER.

AND UM, I'M WELCOME TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND ALSO ALSO ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC, YOU GUYS, THE COUNCIL, ANYONE ON STAFF, I'M, I WOULD WELCOME ANYONE IN MY OFFICE AT ANY POINT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST REALLY HAVE A QUESTION.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TOO.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANY OF THIS STUFF AND IT'S LIKE, THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT, YOU KNOW, CALL ME.

IT WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT.

SO ANYWAY, KATHY, THAT'S ALL I GOT.

, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WE BUDGET WASN'T FINALIZED.

UM, IT WAS DISCRETIONARY MONEY, UH, BUT YOU KEPT GOING THROUGH THE SYSTEM REVIEWING REVIEW AND REVIEWING, WHICH I GREATLY APPRECIATE.

UH, AND SO WE MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME DREAMS THAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THAT MONEY.

WELL, THOSE DREAMS ARE STILL GONNA HAVE TO STAY DREAMS NOW FOR, FOR A MINUTE UNTIL WE CAN, UH, BUT THE THING IS, IS THIS, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ISSUE A, A, A BALANCED BUDGET.

AND IF YOU ALL DO INCORPORATE THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SOME TYPE OF MID-YEAR ASSESSMENTS, SOME TYPE OF QUARTERLY REVIEWS AND, AND ALL THAT, THE NEW PROCESS THAT YOU ALL HAVE IMPLEMENTED IS JUST GONNA GET BETTER.

IT IS, IT'S GONNA GET MORE REFINED AND, AND, AND ALL THAT.

SO I APPLAUD, I AMEND YOU, COMMEND YOU.

SAFEGUARDS, SO THIS MAY NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

UM, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN MY WIFE TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY THAT I ONLY GET 2% OF MY RETIREMENT PLAN INSTEAD OF THE 10% I WAS LOOKING FOR.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT WE KEEP GOING FORWARD.

EXACTLY.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL? UH, YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME

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MR. RIGBY, WHAT DO YOU INTEND TO DO TO, IM IMPLEMENT SOME SAFEGUARDS FROM YOUR LEVEL, GIVEN THERE WERE A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS WITH MS. PANIS AND HER STAFF AND OTHERS, MR. CONYERS, SO FORTH.

ULTIMATELY IT GOT TO YOU, YOU FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THE 10.3.

SO WHAT SAFEGUARDS ARE YOU GONNA IMPLEMENT SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN? WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THE SELF SCRUBBING THAT WE DO EVERY TIME.

WE STILL DO THE SELF-AUDITING.

UM, WE WILL IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A MID-YEAR BUDGET UPDATE.

YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK TO SEE IF WE, IF WE'RE READY TO DO QUARTERLY.

UM, I'VE, I'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER CITIES AND WE GOTTA SEE IF OUR STAFF IS UP TO BE ABLE TO DO QUARTERLY UPDATES.

THAT'D BE GREAT TO DO.

BUT IT'S JUST A REDOUBLING OF EFFORTS TO CONTINUE TO SCRUB OUR BUDGET AND CONTINUE TO HAVE EYES LOOKING ON IT.

UH, AND DOUBLE CHECKING.

SO ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT'S NEXT? THAT IT, OKAY.

THANK YOU GUYS.

THAT WOULD BE THE LAST ITEM, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS OR WANNA DIVE INTO ANY OF THE MS LIGHTS.

THE, THE LAST SLIDE OR TWO I DIDN'T SEE IN ADVANCE IS THAT, UH, NO, THE APPENDIX.

OH YES.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN GET? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

IN A NUMBER OF THE FUNDS, THE, OR IN THE DEPARTMENTS, THERE'S OTHER SERVICES AND CHARGES LISTED FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM.

IS THERE A WAY TO GET A BREAKDOWN OF THOSE FOR EACH YES SIR.

DEPARTMENT.

BASED ON WHAT THEY RESPONDED WITH AND THE BASE, WHAT I SAW, I HAD A RECOMMENDATION OF THAT.

CAN YOU JUST SEND THAT OUT TO COUNSEL OR MYSELF AT LEAST? THAT'D BE GREAT.

YOU, ANY QUESTION, COMMENTS, COUNSEL? I JUST, I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION.

JARED, WHEN YOU SAY RIGHT SIZING, UM, EARLIER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, SO IT'S LOOKING BACK AT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SPENT AND YES, I, I GUESS I'M JUST, I GET THAT TO A DEGREE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT IS BEING ANTICIPATED THAT ARE KNOWN COSTS.

UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW.

I I MEAN THAT'S A TERM THAT MAYBE, UM, IN YOUR WORLD YOU'RE MORE ACCUSTOMED TO.

AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO FLESH THAT OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT.

'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A LEAN BUDGET AND SO IT WAS RIGHT SIZING I THINK WAS THE THING THAT I SAW ON ALL OF IT.

AND SO AS I HEARD YOU DESCRIBE IT, IT WAS KIND OF BACKWARD LOOKING, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE ME FEEL SO THAT FABULOUS.

THE WAY THAT WE, I MEAN A COMBINED APPROACH I GUESS IS WHAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS SPENT, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT, WE KNOW WE HAVE THIS EXPENDITURE COMING UP.

WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T CUT HERE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

WHAT WE STARTED WITH WAS A BASE FOR EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT FOR WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN SPENDING BASED ON HISTORICAL, HISTORICAL TRENDS AND WHAT THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY'LL NEED.

WELL, WHAT THEY'VE SPENT IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE USE SIX YEARS OF DATA AND PROJECTED FORWARD TO WHAT THEY WOULD SHOULD BE SPENDING OR THEORETICALLY WOULD BE SPENDING FOR THE NEXT YEAR WITH A LITTLE BIT OF SAFEGUARD THERE AS WELL.

UM, I DIDN'T GO TO BARE BONES.

UM, WHAT I ABSOLUTELY THINK THEY WOULD ONLY NEED.

AND THEN IT WENT TO THE DEPARTMENTS.

THE DEPARTMENTS CAME BACK AND GAVE ADDITIONS TO THAT ADDITIONS, SUBTRACTIONS SUBMITTED WHATEVER IT WAS THAT THEY NEEDED.

AND THEY ADDED ON THE SIDE THEIR JUSTIFICATION.

AFTER THAT JUSTIFICATION, I SENT OUT QUESTIONS TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, ASKING THEM SPECIFICALLY, UH, QUESTIONS RELATING TO, OKAY, YOU HAVE SPIT 3000, YOU HAVE BUDGETED 3000 IN OFFICE SUPPLIES FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, BUT YOU'VE ONLY SPENT A THOUSAND.

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA SPEND 3000 IN THE NEXT YEAR? THEY CAME BACK WITH AN ANSWER, I DIDN'T DO MUCH WITH THAT.

UH, I PUT DOWN MY SPECIFIC SUGGESTION FOR THE BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE OF A FINANCE ADJUSTMENT COLUMN RIGHT NEXT TO THE ADDITION.

AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE TOOK INTO THE BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE AND TALKED IT THROUGH WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT.

SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T DO MUCH WITH IT, YOU MEAN I I DON'T, I'M NOT QUITE FOLLOWING YOU.

SO THE QUESTIONS ASKED OF THE DEPARTMENTS BEFORE FOR THE BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL DETAIL ON EACH ITEM

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I, SO SO YOU DID TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I DID.

YOU PUT FORTH YOUR RECOMMENDATION WORD.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.

YES MA'AM.

AND THEN, SO IF I UNDERSTAND, UM, THIS BUDGET MOVING FORWARD, SO BASICALLY IT WOULD BE THAT A AS A WHOLE, THE CITY HAS A 10% CONTINGENCY GIVE OR TAKE A POINT, SOMETHING ON EITHER SIDE THAT FLUCTUATING ON OUR BANK ACCOUNTS, DEPARTMENTS THEMSELVES NO LONGER HAVE THEIR OWN, IT'S JUST THIS ENTERPRISE WIDE ONE.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, UM, REALLY ONLY THE GENERAL FUND HAS ITS OWN LAID OUT BY COUNCIL.

THERE'S ENTERPRISE FUNDS HAVE THEIR SPECIFIC LEVELS THAT THEY, THEY HAVE DUE TO BUNCH OF DIFFERENT REASONINGS AND A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT, UM, THINGS.

I PROBABLY CAN'T EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN, UH, THAN THEY CAN.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, THE GENERAL FUND ITSELF HAS ONE RESERVE THAT IS MADE UP OF WHAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS DON'T END UP SPENDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REVENUE AND THE EXPENSE, WHATEVER.

SO IF WE, OKAY, SO IF WE BRING IN $3 MILLION AND WE BUDGET TO SPEND $3 MILLION, BUT WE ONLY SPEND $2.8 MILLION, THEN THAT 200,000 THAT WE DON'T SPEND GOES INTO RESERVE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION.

WHETHER THAT'S RESTRICTED OR UNRESTRICTED DEPENDING ON HOW, WHAT THOSE FUNDS ARE.

UH, FROM THAT POINT, THE GENERAL FUND AS A WHOLE HAS ONE BIG POT, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO WATER, WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTRIC, WHEN IT COMES TO ANY OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE SEGREGATED, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RESERVES BASED ON FUND BALANCE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN FUNDS THAT ARE FUNDED BY SAY, RATES THAT HAVE CERTAIN ALLOCATED UH, DOLLARS AND SOME OF THOSE SAY, WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND BUY THIS EQUIPMENT, WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND DO X, Y, Z.

THAT IS, I SAY YOU'RE GONNA GET BORED, I'M SURE, BUT THAT'S A BALANCE SHEET ITEM.

UM, BUT IF I WAS, I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND, UH, ON, ON THESE LIKE LINES WHERE IT CLEARLY SAYS IF THEY HAVE A FUND BALANCE MM-HMM.

WHERE THAT SHOWS UP.

SO I DON'T KNOW, I'LL JUST PICK AS A RANDOM ONE.

UH, LIKE THIS, UH, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW LIKE NUMBER 37, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT RISK MANAGEMENT ALLOCATION FUND, IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, TWO ADDITION OF TWO POSITIONS IN THERE.

IS THERE UH, UNALLOCATED DOLLARS AT ALL OR IS IT ALL ACCOUNTED FOR EXCEPT FOR WHAT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I KNOW THAT MOST ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR NOT ENTERPRISE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS OR THE ALLOCATED FUNDS, THE, WE DON'T, OUR GOAL ISN'T TO KEEP A RESERVE.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

IN INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, THE GOAL IS TO STAY PRETTY FLAT.

NOW SOME OF THEM HAVE BUILT UP RESERVES OVER TIME, UM, MAINLY BASED ON JUST EITHER NOT SPENDING WHAT THEY HAD PLANNED ON BUT ON SPENDING OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.

OR IT MAY ALSO BE, UH, DESIGN.

SO FOR INSTANCE, WITH UH, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND FLEET MANAGEMENT, THEY ALSO HAVE RESERVES, BUT THAT'S PRIMARILY, SPECIFICALLY FOR DEPARTMENT, UH, VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS.

SO WHAT I'M MOST INTERESTED IN IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FUNDS THAT ARE DEDICATED.

THE CITIZENS HAVE SAID WE WANT THESE DOLLARS AND THEN FOR EXAMPLE, POLICE AND FIRE AND WE'RE GONNA GO DEDICATE THAT AND THEY HAVE RESERVES.

BUT FOR LIKE A DEPARTMENT THAT'S NOT THAT ANOTHER ONE, THERE'S THREE THINGS.

WE'RE GIVING PERSONNEL SERVICES, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES AND OTHER SERVICES AND CHARGES.

WHERE DO I SEE ANY UNENCUMBERED FUNDS WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT? LIKE IF THEY DO HAVE A RESERVE? WELL, UM, USUALLY WHEN WE PROVIDE IT, SO I, THIS, IT WAS CONFUSING TO ME HONESTLY WHEN I FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR BUDGET HERE, IT'S DIRECT COSTS.

SO IT'S LIKE YOUR COST.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE IS JUST YOUR COST.

AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUDGET, LIKE OUR DIRECT COST BUDGET, IT'S OUR EXPENSES ONLY.

SO, UM, BUT IT INCLUDES CAPITAL OUTLAY AND SOME CITIES DO A SEPARATE CAPITAL BUDGET VERSUS AN OPERATING, WHICH WE WILL TRY TO WORK TO AT SOME POINT.

OURS IS ALL COMBINED RIGHT NOW.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESERVES,

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THESE ARE PROFIT AND LOSS ITEMS. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE YOUR RESERVES HERE.

AND THEN ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, WHICH RISK MANAGEMENT IS, OR OUR GENERAL FUND, THEY SHARE, THEY SHARE ONE BIG RESERVE.

SO THAT 10% GENERAL FUND, IT COVERS SHOOT PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, 20, 30 DIFFERENT FUNDS.

AND THEN THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE YOUR UTILITY FUNDS.

THEY'RE GONNA BE RATE PAYERS AND THEY DO, THEY DO KEEP THEIR SEPARATELY AND LIKE, I MEAN SOLID WASTE COMES UP A LOT.

SO BASICALLY THOSE ARE BUILT FROM YOUR RATES AND THEN WHATEVER YOU'RE SPENDING.

SO THEIR RESERVES ARE MORE KEYED TOWARD, I NEED 90 DAYS OPERATING EXPENSES.

AND JUST BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO PROVIDE UTILITY SERVICES.

SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY'VE BUILT THEIR RESERVES UP OVER TIME.

IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET A LARGER RESERVE THAN YOU NEED TO REPLACE YOUR TRUCKS OR YOU KNOW, HIRE PEOPLE OR WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING.

IF IT'S FROM A RATE PAYER TYPE SERVICE, YOU COULD OFFSET RATES, YOU KNOW, OR YOU CAN, I MEAN THERE ARE DIFFERENT IDEAS, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS.

ON A RATE PAYER TYPE FUND, DO YOU MOVE THAT TO GENERAL FUND AND DO QUALITY OF LIFE OR YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS OR DO YOU LEAVE IT IN THE UTILITIES? NO, I MEAN IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT OPINION AND THERE'S NOT A RIGHT OR WRONG, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS.

SO YOU JUST KINDA HAVE TO, COUNCILMAN ROBBINS HAVE KIND OF A, I MEAN I'M GLAD TO SHOW IT TO YOU AT ANY POINT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THIS STUFF, IT'S TRULY JUST EXPENSES.

THAT'S ALL IT IS.

AND IT DOESN'T SHOW YOU THE INCOME, BUT IT WOULD SHOW IN HERE IF THERE WAS AN ALLOCATION FROM A RESERVE FUND TO HELP MEET THEIR BUDGET, THAT WOULD BE THE TRANSFER.

AND THAT'S THE TRANSFER.

AND THAT'S WHERE WHENEVER WE TRANSFER BETWEEN FUNDS, THAT'S WHY IT COMES TO YOU GUYS.

SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING 4 MILLION FROM ELECTRIC AND PUTTING IT OVER INTO GENERAL FUND.

AND I, I FIND THAT ON THAT IT SHOWS THAT ON THE, WHAT'D YOU CALL THIS? EACH OF THE YES, THERE'S A TRANSFER.

IT ALSO THE TRANSFERS, SO THERE'S A TRANSFERS IN.

IT ALSO SHOWS THE RESERVES DOWN BELOW FOR EACH DEPARTMENT.

SO THERE'S A TRANSFERS IN AND A TRANSFERS OUT.

MM-HMM .

AND HERE'S JUST, THERE'S JUST ALL TYPES OF RULES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BUDGET SUMMARY EVERY YEAR, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I ALWAYS TRY TO CHECK, SO IF YOU SEE THAT IT'S DIFFERENT, TELL ME I MISSED IT.

THERE'S A TRANSFER IN UNDER, UM, LET'S SEE, IT'S $15 MILLION AND THEN THERE'S A TRANSFER OUT OF THE SAME AMOUNT AND I BELIEVE IT'S IN GENERAL FUND.

AND WHAT THAT IS, WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SALES TAX REVENUE, SO WE TRANSFER IT INTO WATER OR UTILITIES BECAUSE OF THEIR DEBT FUNDING AND THEIR BOND FUNDING.

SO WE HAVE TO SHOW WE HAVE ENOUGH TO COVER THE DEBT, BUT WATER COVERS THEIR OWN DEBT SO THEY TRANSFER IT BACK.

BUT IT'S JUST A RULE THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

SO THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE THAT $15 MILLION COMING INTO GENERAL FUND, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO LOOK BELOW 'CAUSE IT GOES RIGHT BACK OUT.

MM-HMM .

SO THERE'S SOME OF THAT STUFF.

THE OTHER GENERAL FUND THAT NORMALLY YOU'LL SEE IT'S AROUND A $4 MILLION FIGURE.

UM, IT'S COMING FROM ELECTRIC AND THEY, SO THEY GIVE GENERAL FUND 4 MILLION EVERY YEAR.

SO THE SLIDE THAT WE HAVE THAT SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR PARAMETERS FOR OUR GENERAL FUND, THE 10% AND THAT'S JUST FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR AUDITORS AND HE, HE WANTS US TO HAVE 30% BUT WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT.

BUT, SO WE TRY TO KEEP AROUND 10% AND THEN THE 4 MILLION, THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE THAT ARE JUST ALWAYS WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT.

AND SOMEDAY, YOU KNOW, WE MAY TRY NOT TO DO THE 4 MILLION, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.

SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WHEN YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW IT, THOSE ARE GOOD DISCUSSIONS.

AND DOWN BELOW, WHENEVER YOU SAY TRANSFER OUT, IT ALWAYS, IT'LL PUT A DETAIL OF WHAT YOU, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.

WHENEVER YOU DO THE TRANSFER OUTS, IT ALWAYS SAYS SEE BELOW AND YOU CAN SEE A LIST.

BUT TYPICALLY OUR BIGGEST, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST LINE ITEMS IS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OR CONTRACT SERVICES.

OF WHAT IT GOES TO EACH ITEM.

AND ONE THING ABOUT THE BUDGET BOOK, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT, THERE'S BUDGET SUMMARIES AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FORMAT THAN IF YOU LOOK BEHIND IN EACH DEPARTMENT, YOU GET MORE OF THE DETAILS.

SO LIKE ON THE TOP PART IT'LL SAY GOVERNMENT SERVICES, YOU KNOW, IT'LL LIST MORE OF THE FUNDS, BUT THEN IF YOU GO IN THE BACK YOU CAN SEE PERSONNEL AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES, THE OTHER CHARGES, THE MATERIALS, YOU SEE MORE OF THAT.

AND THEN ANYTIME YOU DO WANNA KNOW, YES WE CAN PRINT IT OUT, WE CAN PRINT OUT ALL THAT DETAIL.

UM, WE CAN GO AS FAR AS TO TELL YOU WHO WE'RE PAYING IF YOU REALLY WANT IT.

BUT UM,

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SOMETIMES PEOPLE USE THOSE INTERCHANGEABLY OR THEY'LL SPLIT IT, BUT THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE CONTRACT WITH.

SO IT'S GONNA BE ANYWHERE FROM OUR COFFEE SERVICE TO A STUDY, A PROFESSIONAL STUDY, BUT ALL THAT STUFF FALLS IN THAT LINE.

SO TYPICALLY IT'S PRETTY BIG.

DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ? YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I CAN IDENTIFY KIND OF EACH DEPARTMENT IF THERE'S ANY UNRE RESERVES.

'CAUSE WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THE BRASS TACKS OF 47,000.

SO I WAS TRYING TO, WELL WHEN YOU, THE WAY TO SEE THAT IS ON THE PAGES IN THE BUDGET BOOK THAT FOLLOW, SO LIKE EACH DEPARTMENT, THERE SHOULD BE A LINE AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS UNRESTRICTED RESERVES, UNASSIGNED RESERVE EMERGENCY SHORT FALLS.

AND SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU LOOK AT POLICE OR FIRE, IT'S ALL RESTRICTED.

AND THE REASON IT'S RESTRICTED IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T MOVE THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

IT HAS TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

UM, SO SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S REALLY THEIR UNASSIGNED RESERVES OR MAYBE IT IS ASSIGNED BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THAT LINE BECAUSE IT'S RESTRICTED TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO THE, SO LIKE IF I'M LOOKING LIKE ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE ONE PAGE, ONE 20 SOLID BASELINE, IT SHOWS 12.577 FOR UNASSIGNED.

RESERVE FOR EMERGENCY AND SHORTFALL.

SO A PERCENT OF THAT IS FOR, WHAT'S THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT AGAIN, WHAT'S 12.7 MILLION? IT'S LIKE FOUR AND CHANGES GOING TO LIKE STORM.

STORM.

SO I WILL ADMIT THIS MIGHT BE AN AREA WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE BUDGET BOOK.

THERE'S PROBABLY SEVEN DIFFERENT CHOICES ON, THERE'S A SIGN THERE'S DESIGNATED, SOME OF THEM ARE DIRECTED BY COUNCIL, SOME OF THEM ARE STAFF LIKE MAY HAVE DESIGNATED OR ASSIGNED SOMETHING.

UM, AND WE COULD PUT THOSE ON EVERY LINE.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOLID WASTE AND IT'S ALL, THAT WHOLE 12 MILLION IS SHOWING UP I GUESS UNDER UNASSIGNED? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING? YEAH, RIGHT NOW.

SO WHEN WE SENT OUT THE VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, LISTS AND IT SAID 90 DAYS OPERATING AND UM, I THINK THERE WERE SOME TRUCKS, UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE REPLACEMENT THINGS AND THEN THERE WAS SOME STORM DAMAGE, I THINK IT LIKE 4.8 AND STORM DAMAGE, UH, SET.

AND IT CAME TO THE, IT CAME TO THE 9.8 MILLION AND THEN THAT'S WHERE WE WERE COMING UP WITH THE 1.8 THAT WAS NOT TRULY ASSIGNED.

SO, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, BREAK THAT NUMBER OUT OF THE UN INSIDE UNASSIGNED NUMBER OF 12.577, THE THOUGHT IS 1.7 AND CHANGE OR EIGHT YES.

IS ACTUALLY TRULY ON SIDE THE REST EITHER HAS AN EMERGENCY PURPOSE YEAH, A POTENTIAL TO BUY A TRUCK OR EQUIPMENT.

YEP.

IT WAS STORM RESERVE FACILITY EXPANSION, ROUTE TRUCK ADDITIONS, SUPPORT TRUCK ADDITIONS, AND 90 DAYS OPERATING EXPENSE.

KNOW, YOU NEED TO KNOW AND UM, WE JUST NEED TO COMMUNICATE ON IT AND GET IT HOW YOU CAN SEE IT AND UNDERSTAND IT.

AND YOU KNOW THAT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT MADE UP THE WHOLE 11.

SO THAT ONE'S NOT SPLIT OUT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE TOO.

BUT UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE BOTTOM LINE ON THAT RESERVES IS HOW MUCH WE HAVEN'T SPENT.

AND SO THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ARE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS.

UM, AND THE GENERAL FUND, THE REASON IT'S 10% THERE IS BECAUSE IT COVERS SO MANY DIFFERENT FUNDS AND THAT'S WHERE OUR STORM, OUR $12 MILLION STORM CLEANUP CAME OUT OF BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT SET UP ALREADY IN ANY OTHER FUND.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT STARTED ALL THIS CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT LOOKING AT SOLID WASTE, HAVING SOME OF IT AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO WE WERE NEGATIVE TWO YEARS AND WHEN WE DID OUR BUDGET, I DON'T THINK WE WERE NEGATIVE, BUT BY THE TIME WE GOT TO THE END OF THE YEAR, WE WERE, AND IT, AND JUST IN UNRESTRICTED THE FUND WASN'T, I MEAN WE WERE STILL COMPLIANT AND WE WERE OKAY.

IT'S JUST OUR UNRESTRICTED RESERVES THAT WE COULD USE FOR THINGS WE NEEDED WAS NEGATIVE.

SO THAT'S JUST WHERE WE DON'T WANNA GET, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT'S JUST A DECISION THAT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT, I GUESS IS IF WE HAVE A TORNADO TOMORROW AND IT WIPES OUT, YOU KNOW, $20 MILLION WORTH OF STUFF, JUST HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THAT? AND IT'S NOT THAT YOU ALWAYS, OH, YOU'RE UPSETTING, KNOCK ON HOOD OR SOMETHING.

WE HAVE SUPERSTAR, OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS LIKE, NO , BUT HEY, BUT WE GOT A PLAN FOR IT.

RIGHT? SO ANYWAY, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW ALL THIS STUFF WORKS TOGETHER.

BUT REALLY IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT ANY OF THEM, COME AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT.

I MEAN CERTAINLY YOU GUYS, IT'S YOUR, YOU

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PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ARE YOU FINISHED JARED? HMM? SORRY, ARE YOU FINISHED? YES.

UNLESS THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR, WELL, THE ONLY THING I WANNA DO IS THIS IS THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.

WELL I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I WAS GONNA ASK IF, UM, ANY OTHER CITIZENS IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I I ONLY SEE 2 3 3.

YES SIR.

COME ON DOWN.

TAYLOR WILSON, THE CITY OF EDMOND.

UH, SO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE MACRO PICTURE FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S PERSPECTIVE.

WE'RE DOWN AND I DON'T HAVE THE, ACTUALLY I CAN, MAYBE I CAN'T.

UM, WE'RE DOWN ON CURRENT YEAR AGAINST OUR BUDGET REVENUE WISE EXCLUDING INTEREST.

INTEREST IS COVERING UP A LOT, PROBABLY ABOUT 2 MILLION, $3 MILLION IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA SETTLE.

I THINK WE'RE BUDGETING AT A 0.5 REVENUE INCREASE 'CAUSE WE MISSED IT LAST YEAR.

WE, IN THE EXPENSE ASSUMPTION WE'RE RIGHT SIZING THE PERSONNEL, BUT GROWING BY 54 POSITIONS.

HOW MUCH IS THE TOTAL GOVERNMENT GROWING? I COULDN'T TELL IN THE PRESENTATION.

THAT'D BE JUST A QUESTION.

I WOULD'VE, 62% OF OUR BUDGET IS OUR SERVICES OF THAT 62%.

IT RUNS AT 112% PROFIT MARGIN, NOT PROPER FOR CITY GOVERNMENT, BUT IT'S COST.

THE, THE, THE SERVICES THAT WE BILL ALL OF OUR CITIZENS IS 112% OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE AGAINST CALCULATED CALCULATIONS.

AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THE 10% IS ON THE BALANCE SHEET.

WE'RE $250 MILLION SHORT AND WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT OPS EXPENSES AND WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO CONCENTRATE IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO.

WE NEED TO GET THE CURRENT BUDGET AS BEST AS IT CAN BE.

'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CAPITAL NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY OF THAT 250.

AND WE THINK WE HAVE MONEY AND I KNOW IT'S EASIER TO SPEND MONEY AS A CITY COUNCIL.

UH, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE AND THE MATH EQUATION BECAUSE THERE'S BIG EXPENSE COMING ON THE CAPITAL SIDE AND WE ARE NOT SET UP TO SUCCEED THERE.

THANK YOU SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE.

WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FIRST OF ALL, THANK COUNSEL FOR, UM, THIS ANNUAL PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH.

IT'S, IT'S VERY STIMULATING AND UH, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT EACH AND EVERY YEAR.

AND THIS HELPS.

IT SHOWS OUR, OUR CITY AND, AND THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL THING.

ALSO LIKE TO THANK STAFF BECAUSE YOU ALL WENT THROUGH A NEW PROCESS THIS YEAR.

IT'S A LEARNING CURVE.

UH, WE HAD OUR EBBS AND FLOWS THERE AND UM, AT TIMES IT WAS DIFFICULT AND TIMES IT WAS MORE DIFFICULT.

BUT I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN EACH AND EVERY DAY TO HELP KEEP THE CITY, UH, AS GREAT AS WE GO FORWARD AND TO HELP UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN THE PROCESSES THAT WE DO AND WHY WE DO THEM.

THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.

COUNSEL, ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU ALL? BECAUSE THEN WE'LL COME BACK ON JUNE 10TH TO, UH, EXCEPT FOR, YEAH, BIG THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK.

THIS HAS TAKEN.

ANYTHING ELSE? CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY.

I CAN SEE COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE HAS BOTH HANDS LIKE THIS.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN OUR MEETING TODAY AND, UH, SEE YOU BACK IN 45 MINUTES.