* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] GOOD EVENING. [1. Call to Order of the Edmond City Council Meeting.] I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 14TH. OUR [A. Presentation on the You Are Not Alone Campaign by Lt. Col. Craig Williams with the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Control.] FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE PRESENTATION OF YOU ARE NOT ALONE CAMPAIGN BY MATT VARNEY WITH THE OKLAHOMA BUREAU OF NARCOTICS END DANGEROUS DRUGS CONTROL. SO WAS SOMEONE GOING TO JUST YEAH. TEE UP. SO, UM, MR. VARNEY WHO, UM, UH, WAS A PART OF A TOWN HALL WORKING FOR THE OKLAHOMA BUREAU OF NARCOTICS THAT I HOSTED ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. UM, I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY WE HAVE THE SORT OF FLICKERING 24 HOUR NEON LIGHTS IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, FOR MASSAGE AND WHAT'S KIND OF BEHIND THAT. AND I HAD SOMEBODY POINT THAT OUT IN MY DISTRICT, IN OUR AREA, UM, AND THAT WAS SHUT DOWN. UM, BUT BESIDES JUST KIND OF PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE, AND JUST HAVING THAT ONE SHUT SHUTDOWN, I WAS INTERESTED IN THE ROOT CAUSE. AND SO WE HOSTED A TOWN HALL ON IT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING IN THE FUTURE TO SOME POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT WITH EITHER ZONING OR LEGISLATION, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT. BUT AS A PART OF THAT, WE ACTUALLY, UM, HAVE SOME GREAT ADMIN RESIDENTS WHO, UH, WORK FOR DIFFERENT AGENCIES, WHETHER THAT'S THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR HERE OBN, WHO HAVE EXPERTISE IN THAT. AND OUT OF THAT TOWN HALL, WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS CAMPAIGN THAT OBN IS RUNNING. SO I WANTED TO INVITE OUR GUESTS TODAY TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW ABOUT THE KIND OF ISSUE AND THEN HOW THEIR OFFICE IS, UH, WORKING TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, ACROSS THE STATE AND IN COMMUNITIES LIKE OURS. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY ASK FOR OUR CITY AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, TO HELP ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME VISIT WITH YOU GUYS. UH, MY NAME IS CRAIG WILLIAMS. I'LL BE STANDING IN FOR CAPTAIN VARNEY TONIGHT. UM, I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SUPERVISING OUR HUMAN TRAFFICKING SECTION AND LOVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY. I GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE GREAT THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THAT SECTION. AND FIRST, I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE A LONGSTANDING PARTNERSHIP AND, UH, COLLABORATION AND COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS WITH THE EDMOND POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE'VE HAD A LONG HISTORY OF WORKING TOGETHER AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT. UM, THE FIRST THING TO PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IS THE DEFINITION OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING. SO WE SAY HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS KIND OF A BROAD TERM. IT MEANS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. IT DEPENDS IF YOU'VE WATCHED A MOVIE ON HOW YOU MIGHT INTERPRET HUMAN TRAFFICKING, AND SOMETIMES REALLY WELL-INTENTIONED EFFORTS HAVE TAKEN A MAYBE GIVE THE WRONG IMPRESSION OF WHAT HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS. SO WE KIND OF GO BACK TO A STATUTORY DEFINITION. STATUTORY DEFINITION OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS WHEN SOMEBODY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF A VULNERABLE PERSON THROUGH FORCED FRAUD OR COERCION. OR WHEN SOMEBODY UNDER 18 IS ENGAGED IN THE COMMERCIAL SEX ACT, THERE'S ALWAYS A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO HUMAN TRAFFICKING, BUT THAT COMMERCIAL COMPONENT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE CASHED. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CURRENCY. IT COULD BE A PLACE TO LIVE. SOMEBODY'S RUN AWAY FROM HOME, THEY NEED HELP. AND SOMEBODY HAS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED SURVIVAL SEX IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, UH, SEE JUVENILES ENGAGED IN ALL VERY FREQUENTLY. UM, TO THAT END, TALKING ABOUT JUVENILES, THAT IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE TARGET AUDIENCES, THIS CAMPAIGN, AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR IT. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT EXCLUDING ANY GROUP THAT MAY BE SUFFERING FROM HUMAN TRAFFICKING. UH, THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN IS A GREAT PARTNER IN THIS, THE NATIONAL HUMAN TRAFFICKING RESOURCE CENTER. AND WE ALSO WORK WITH THREE CERTIFIED ADULT SHELTERS VERY REGULARLY IN OKLAHOMA THAT ARE CERTIFIED THROUGH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO HOUSE AND HELP HUMAN TRAFFICKING VICTIMS THAT HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FIND A BETTER LIFE PATH AND A BETTER LIFE TRAJECTORY. UM, HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AND POINT OUT IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, IT'S REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR US ALL TO SAY, BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO ADULTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM SEX TRAFFICKING AND ASK THEM WHEN IT STARTED, YOU'LL USUALLY HEAR THAT THEY WERE TURNED OUT, WHICH IS KIND OF AN, UNFORTUNATELY, AN INDUSTRY TERM FOR THEM GOING FROM BEING REGULAR NORMAL LIFE OR PRETTY CLOSE TO NORMAL LIFE, TO BEING INVOLVED IN THE SEX TRAFFICKING INDUSTRY. IT IS 12 TO 14 YEARS OLD. SO, AND THAT'S NOT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF 12 TO 14 YEAR OLDS THAT HAVE RECOVERED. THAT'S BASED OFF OF INTERVIEWS WHEN SOMEBODY'S MADE IT TO A BETTER SPOT AND THEY'RE ABLE TO LOOK BACK ON THOSE, THE EVENTS OF THEIR LIFE AND KIND OF SAY, OKAY, WHERE WAS THE FORK IN THE ROAD? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? SO IF WE HAVE THAT FORK IN THE ROAD, IT BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF AN INTERVENTION OR SOME EDUCATION POINTS AT THAT, AT THAT FORK, RIGHT? THAT WAY WE CAN START TRYING TO PREVENT SOMETHING. AN ACTIVITY PREVENTED IS YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO MEASURE IT. YOU CAN'T QUANTITY WHAT DOESN'T HA QUANTIFY WHAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. BUT IDEALLY, WE WANT TO PREVENT AS MANY OF THESE AS WE CAN, AND OBVIOUSLY WE TRY TO RECOVER THOSE THAT ARE IN TRAFFICKING SITUATIONS. SO THE NEXT QUESTION WE USUALLY GET IS OKLAHOMA BUREAU OF NARCOTICS. WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING? VERY LEGITIMATE QUESTION. UM, IN THE 20 11, 20 12 TIMEFRAME, I WAS WASN'T A SUPERVISOR, I WAS A WORKING AGENT. AND WHAT WE STARTED SEEING WAS THAT SOME OF OUR NARCOTICS CASES WERE INTERSECTING WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING, AND THERE WAS ALSO A HUMAN TRAFFICKING AWARENESS KIND OF ROLLING ACROSS THE COUNTRY AT THAT TIME. AND WE STARTED NOTICING HUMAN TRAFFICKING. AND AS WE DUG INTO IT, UH, [00:05:01] NOW SENATOR WEAVER WAS THE DIRECTOR OF OBN AT THE TIME, AND WANTED US TO LOOK INTO IT AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT, IF ANYTHING, ANY ROLE WE HAD IN THAT SPACE. UH, I'M HAPPY TO SAY I WAS THE FIRST AGENT SELECTED TO WORK HUMAN TRAFFICKING. AND SO THIS MISSION IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. UM, WHAT WE FOUND WAS, YES, WE DO HAVE A ROLE IN IT, AND WHAT WE REALLY FOUND WAS THE SAME SKILL SETS USED TO INVESTIGATE NARCOTICS CRIMES AND SUCH AS SURVEILLANCE, WIRETAP INVESTIGATIONS, UH, TECHNICAL INVESTIGATIONS, UNDERCOVER INVESTIGATIONS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ARE ACTUALLY THE VERY MOST, THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOOL SETS TO INVESTIGATE HUMAN TRAFFICKING CRIMES. SO THE STATE LEGISLATOR WROTE AND PASSED A LAW THAT GAVE OBN, UM, ORIGINAL JURISDICTION. DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN, BUT IT MEANS WE CAN START AN INVESTIGATION ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING CASES. SO WE'RE, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT THE BUREAU OF NARCOTICS AND DIRECTOR ANDERSON IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MISSION AS WELL. WE MAINTAIN ONE OF THE FEW STANDALONE FULL-TIME DESIGNATED HUMAN TRAFFICKING UNITS IN THE COUNTRY. MOST OF THE TIME YOU'LL HAVE OTHER AGENCIES WILL HAVE LIKE A VICE UNIT THAT WE'LL INVESTIGATE AND VERY COMPETENTLY, OFTENTIMES HUMAN TRAFFICKING CASES. BUT WE HAVE A FULL-TIME SECTION AND HAD ONE SINCE 2012. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE IN THAT SPACE. AND THAT LEADS ME INTO THE YOU ARE NOT ALONE CAMPAIGN. THE CURRENT AGENTS WORKING THAT AND CAPTAIN VARNEY HAVE BEEN UNBELIEVABLE IN DEVELOPING THIS PROGRAM. GOING BACK TO WHAT WE KIND OF TOUCHED ON EARLIER, THAT NEED FOR AN INTERJECT SPOT, WHERE CAN SOMEBODY START TO FIND RESOURCES? SO THE INITIAL INITIAL PORTION OF THIS WAS FINDING THE COLLABORATORS IN IT, AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA START WITH OUR CERTIFIED SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT ARE TRAINED, AND THEY HAVE THOSE SAFE SPACES THAT A HUMAN TRAFFICKING VICTIM CAN GO TO TRY TO GET ONTO THAT PATH TO RECOVERY. ALSO, WE KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IN MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS MAY REACH OUT TO THIS, AND YOU MAY HAVE A TRAFFICKING VICTIM IN MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. SO 9, 8 8, THE OKLAHOMA DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE SERVICES. WELL, OBN HAS MAINTAINED A WEBSITE FOR A LONG TIME, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN AND MODIFIED AND MADE PAGES ON OUR WEBSITE WITH LINKS. WE'VE TALKED TO THOSE PARTNERS WHERE IF SOMEBODY HAS, YOU'LL SEE THE TWO MAJOR COMPONENTS OF IT. IT'S REALLY A PRETTY SIMPLE CAMPAIGN AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND EVOLVE, BUT IT IS A THREE BY THREE QR CODE AND ALSO THE POSTER. UM, AND WHAT YOU SAW EARLIER IS ACTUALLY ON THIS, THIS SCREEN IS A COPY OFF OF A BILLBOARD. WE'VE BEEN VERY, SOME VERY GENEROUS BILLBOARD COMPANIES HAVE DONATED BILLBOARD SPACE AND THEY, UM, HAVE THIS INFORMATION UP. NOW, IDEALLY, WHERE WE WANNA PUT THESE THINGS, AND SOME PEOPLE WE'VE PARTNERED WITH, UM, CITY GOVERNMENTS, COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, SCHOOLS, UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES. AND OFTENTIMES A HUMAN TRAFFICKING VICTIM MAY NOT, ESPECIALLY A SEX TRAFFICKING VICTIM, MAY NOT HAVE MUCH SPACE TO THEIR SELF, MUCH TIME TO THEIR SELF, BUT THEY DO OFTENTIMES HAVE A CHANCE TO GET TO A PUBLIC RESTROOM. SO ANY PLACE THAT'S A COMMON, A COMMONS AREA WITH A PUBLIC RESTROOM, WE TRY TO GET THESE QR CODES INTO THOSE SPACES TO WHERE WHEN THAT PERSON HAS THAT MOMENT ALONE, THEY CAN HIT THAT QR CODE AND IDEALLY FIND THAT RESOURCE. NOW, THOSE RESOURCES THAT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM A TIP IF THEY CALL OBS HOTLINE, UH, OR IF THEY EMAIL US DIRECTLY THERE 24 7 365, THEY'LL TALK TO A TRAINED, UH, CRIMINAL INTEL ANALYST THAT KNOWS HOW TO TAKE THAT CORRECT INFORMATION. AND OBVIOUSLY WE RECOMMEND ON THERE TOO, IF THERE'S AN ONGOING EMERGENCY SITUATION RIGHT THEN NINE ONE ONE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE BEST ANSWER BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA GO TO A UNIFORMED AGENCY THAT HAS OFFICERS ON PATROL. THAT'S NOT WHAT, WE DON'T HAVE OFFICERS ON PATROL ALL THE TIME, BUT WE WILL ABSOLUTELY GET IN THAT SPACE VERY QUICKLY. SO THAT'S THE MAIN GOALS OF THE PROGRAM, IS TO INCREASE COMMUNITY AWARENESS AND TO PROVIDE A RESOURCE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE POTENTIALLY TRAFFICKED TO REACH OUT AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE QR CODES IN THE RESTROOM, THAT MOMENT OF SILENCE OR SOLITUDE THEY HAD, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT. IT'S ALL ABOUT GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY AND TRYING TO HAVE THAT CHANCE TO BREAK THAT CYCLE. WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET OUR, THESE MATERIALS IN Y'ALL IN THE SPACES IN EDMOND. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM ME? APPRECIATE THE AWARENESS AND THE INFORM SHARING OF INFORMATION BECAUSE, UH, THIS IS, TO ME IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE SILENT TOPICS THAT NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. YES, SIR. WE KNOW IT'S THERE. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME AND I APPRECIATE IT. I THINK SO, SO ON THAT THE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE OR ANYTHING, BUT WOULD WE BE ABLE TO JUST ASK OUR CITY MANAGER THEN TO, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MATERIALS TO OUR CITY THAT COULD BE A QR CODE OR A POSTER THAT COULD BE PLACED IN SOME OF OUR PUBLIC BATHROOMS OR PARKS OR, ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO PUT THE RE THOSE RESOURCES OUT, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL PROVIDE 'EM. JUST, JUST LET ME KNOW. PERFECT. AND THEN I THINK ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UM, IS AS A NEW MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL, YOU MEET WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS. ONE THAT I WAS JUST LESS FAMILIAR WITH WAS OUR MUNICIPAL COURT. UH, ONE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME THAT I JUST WAS UNAWARE OF IS THE NUMBER OF JUVENILE OFFENDERS THAT GO THROUGH THAT SYSTEM. UM, OF COURSE THEY PROBABLY OVERLAP SOME WITH OUR PUBLIC, UH, EDUCATION SYSTEM AND, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON ARE HAVING ISSUES OR ACTING OUT OR DOING THINGS. BUT AS WE BUILD OUR NEW COURT FACILITY HERE AND HAVE SOME NEW SPACES IN PLACES, I'D BE INTERESTED IN, IN FINDING OUT TO SEE IF WE CAN'T DO SOME TYPE OF TRAINING OR EXCHANGE, UH, SO THAT, UH, THOSE IN AND AROUND JUVENILES CAN ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS OR AT LEAST KNOW THE OBSERVATIONAL [00:10:01] TRAINING BEHAVIOR OF WHAT ARE SOME SIGNS THAT THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR IF SOMEONE'S GOING TO COURT WITH THEM THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT YOUNG PERSON'S BEST INTEREST IN MIND. ABSOLUTELY. WE PROVIDE TRAINING ALL THE TIME. THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF MY CORE JOB FUNCTIONS. AND WE ALSO HAVE OTHER EDUCATORS THAT'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS [3. Appointments and Reappointments:] IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPOINTMENT REAPPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE A COUPLE TONIGHT WE HAVE THE MAYOR APPOINTMENT REAPPOINTMENT OF VANESSA SHEEX TO THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW COMMITTEE TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2027. WE ALSO HAVE WARD THREE APPOINTMENT AND REAPPOINTMENT, UH, APPOINTMENT OF DENA BLEECKER TO THE URBAN FORESTRY COMMISSION TERM EXPIRES OCTOBER, 2027. THE WARD FOUR REAPPOINTMENT OF JENNIFER DUNCAN TO THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION COMMITTEE TERM EXPIRES OCTOBER, 2029. MAY THERE IS ACTUALLY A B TWO YEAH. UM, APPOINTMENT OF LAUREN TENPENNY TO THE COMMUNITY ACTION REV REVIEW COMMISSION TO FULFILL THE UNEXPIRED TERM OF LARRY MULLEN'S TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026. SO THERE ARE TWO WARD THREE APPOINTMENTS. OKAY, VERY GOOD. WAS IT ON MY PAGE? APPOINTMENT OF LAUREN TENPENNY TO THE COMMUNITY ACTION REVIEW COM COMMISSION TO FULFILL AN UNEXPIRED TERM OF LARRY MULLINS TERM EXPIRES JUNE, 2026. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. THOSE ARE, UH, MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL OF THE APPOINTMENTS. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THOSE ARE NOW APPOINTMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ITEM NUMBER [4. Recess of the Edmond City Council Meeting and Call to Order of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting.] FOUR, WE NEED A MOTION TO RECESS THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND CALL TO ORDER OF THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING. SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION. SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE ARE NOW IN THE PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY. UH, [5. Public Works Authority General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Public Works Authority. Members of the Public Works Authority may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.] NEXT WE HAVE ITEM FIVE IS THE PUBLIC WORKS GENERAL COUNSEL ITEMS. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS. UH, THOSE ARE GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THOSE? I WOULD JUST HAVE TO SAY ON ITEM THREE, THAT'S WITH THE, UM, EDMOND CENTER COURT THIS WEEKEND. YESTERDAY I HAD THE HONOR TO SEE A PRO, UH, WOMEN'S TOURNAMENT IN, AT THE CENTER COURT. UH, LAST YEAR. THIS TOURNAMENT HAD A, A PRICE PACKAGE OF, I THINK IT WAS 15,000. THIS YEAR. IT HAD A PRICE PACKAGE OF 60,000. SO OUR EDMOND CENTER COURT IS GROWING IN STATURE IN THIS REGION OF THE COUNTRY. THE LEVEL OF PLAY IS INCREASING AND THE, IT'S ALSO EVIDENT BY THE SIZE OF THE PURSES THAT ARE BEING HELD THERE. SO THAT WAS, THAT'S GREAT NEWS FOR EDMOND. MM-HMM, , THAT, THAT, THAT EDMOND CENTER COURT PROBABLY THE BEST TENNIS CENTER IN THE REGION. MM-HMM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE ITEMS OF, I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT ON, UM, WE HAVE THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS TO WORK ON THE STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN WICK, WHICH IS NORTH OF THE UNCOMMON GROUND SITE. AND THAT'S PART OF THE COMMITMENT THAT THE CITY HAS MADE UNDER THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE ALL APPROVED A WHILE BACK. SO GOOD TO SEE THAT PROGRESSING. MM-HMM. . COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THESE THREE CONSENT ITEMS? MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE. OH, SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THOSE THREE CONSENT ITEMS HAVE PASSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY DISCUSSION ITEMS. SO ON ITEM NUMBER [7. Adjournment of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting and Reconvene the Edmond City Council Meeting.] SEVEN, WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS, ADJOURN THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING AND RECONVENE THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO MOVED. SECOND. MOTION. SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE BACK IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT [8. City Council General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Council. Members of the Council may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.] IS THE CITY COUNCIL GENERAL CONSENT ITEM. WE HAVE 12 ITEMS UNDER THAT I ITEM. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON OUR GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL? MR. MAYOR, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CITY COUNCIL CONSENT DOCKET, PLEASE. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. WE SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. 12 CITY COUNCIL CONSENT ITEMS HAVE BEEN PASSED. THANK YOU [00:15:01] VERY MUCH. NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER NINE IS THE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION ITEMS FIRST [B. Consideration of Approval of a Contract Amendment with Flintco LLC (Construction Manager) for the Guaranteed Maximum Price (GMP) 7 for the City Center Complex for Signage, Construction Manager at Risk Fee, Contingency, Reductions to Insurance and Bonds, Correction to Attachment for GMP 6; Consideration of Approval of Resolution No. ___ Appointing Purchasing Agent for GMP 6; and Consideration of Approval of Resolution No. ___ Appointing Purchasing Agent for GMP 7. $288,767.00. (Ward 1)] ITEM IS ITEM NINE B, UH, CONSIDERATION OF CONTRACT APPROVAL WITH FLINTCO LLC CONSTRUCTION MANAGER FOR THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE. GMP SEVEN FOR THE CENTER CITY CENTER COMPLEX FOR SIGNAGE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FEE CONTINGENCY REDUCTION OF TO INSURANCE AND BONDS CORRECTIONS TO ATTACHMENTS FOR GMP SIX. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 37 24, 37 24, APPOINTED PURCHASING AGENT FOR GMP SIX IN CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 38 24, 38 24, APPOINTING A PURCHASING AGENT FOR G AND P SEVEN FOR $288,767. YES. HI, LENA DOZIER, THE DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN TRANSFORMATION MANAGER. I'M DON'T MEAN TO SCREAM AT Y'ALL. SORRY. UM, JUST REAL QUICK, UM, THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, THIS BID PACKAGE WAS FOR, UM, SIGNAGE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR SIGNAGE. UM, IT CAME IN UNDERBID AT $130,000, UM, WITH THE CONTINGENCY, THE REDUCTION IN INSURANCE. AND THIS BID PACKAGE, G AND P SEVEN TOTALS $288,767. UM, THE GMP TOTAL, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT NOW IS $40,578,762. UM, SO THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE CITY CENTER COMPLEX, UM, AS YOU KNOW, IT WAS BUDGETED AT 44 MILLION. WE ARE NOW AT $43,360,878. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE SERVICES THAT ARE IN THE TOTAL BUDGET THAT ARE NOT IN THE GMP BUDGET. UM, AND THEN JUST AS AN UPDATE, THIS IS AN AERIAL, UM, OF WHAT LAST MONTH, END OF LAST MONTH. UM, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM UP TOP. WE ARE ON TIME AND ON BUDGET, AS YOU JUST SAW IN THE LAST SLIDE. WE ARE SET FOR CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION AT THE, IN MARCH OF 25. AND WE ARE STILL UNDER BUDGET. I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON GMP SEVEN. THAT'S GREAT. AND THIS IS G-P-G-M-P SEVEN AND THIS IS OUR LAST GMP, CORRECT? YES. VERY GOOD. YEP. AND, AND I'M SORRY, WE'RE UNDER BUDGET AND ON TIME, RIGHT? UNDER BUDGET AND ON TIME. WE CAN SAY THIS JUST MORE TIMES WE'RE UNDER BUDGET AND ON TIME. YEP. ANY QUESTION, COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL ON THIS ITEM? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS COUNSEL? THIS IS OUR ITEM NUMBER NINE B GMP SEVEN FOR OUR SAFETY CENTER COMPLEX. MOTION TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. AND I, MS. PASS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [C. Art Budget Transfers:] NEXT UP IS OUR ART BUDGET. UM, WE HAVE, UH, FIRST ITEM IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION TO TRANSFER BUDGET AUTHORITY FOR THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 20, 20 23, 24 UNENDED FUNDS TO FISCAL YEAR 20 20, 20 24, 25 BUDGET IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EVAN MUNICIPAL COURT CODE. YES. I'M ACTUALLY HERE FOR NINE OR C ONE. DID YOU WANNA HEAR ABOUT C ONE NINE? C ONE? OKAY. OKAY. NINE C ONE IS, UH, THE FIRST, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION IS, EXCUSE ME, TO TRANSFER BUDGET AUTHORITY FOR ART AND PUBLIC PLACES. AND WHAT WE DO EVERY YEAR IS WE JUST, WE USUALLY ROLL OVER THEIR POS AND THEY WERE CLOSED THIS YEAR. SO THIS ROLLS IT OVER. IT REBUDGET THE FUNDS THAT THEY HAVEN'T SPENT ON THEIR FISCAL YEAR 23 AND 24, UH, PURCHASE ORDER. YEAH. AND IT'S FOR OUR ORDINANCE. WE SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO RE REBUDGET IT. SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE MAKING A FISCAL YEAR 25 PURCHASE ORDER. SO IT WOULD'VE ROLLED ANYWAY. I MEAN, IT DIDN'T CHANGE THE BUDGET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANKS. GO AHEAD. I'M JUST MAKING SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT PACKAGE IN FRONT OF ME. I THINK MY, I MIGHT NOT HAVE UPDATED MINE. DO I GET TO LEAVE? OKAY. HI. SO, SO THERE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS THIS EVENING UNDERNEATH, UH, NINE C RELATED TO PUBLIC ART. [00:20:01] SO THE FIRST ONE THAT MS. PANISH JUST VISITED WITH YOU ABOUT WAS NINE C ONE. AND SO THE ITEM THAT I WAS GONNA VISIT WITH YOU ABOUT WAS NINE C TWO. WHERE ARE WE? NINE C 2 3 45 PRESENTATION. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I'M ON TRACK. OKAY, THANKS SIR. YEAH. SO AGAIN, MS. PANIS VISITED WITH YOU ABOUT ITEM NINE C ONE MM-HMM. , WHICH WAS TO MOVE MONIES THAT WERE UNSPENT LAST FISCAL YEAR INTO THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. SO THERE WAS NO DOLLARS BUDGETED THIS YEAR FOR THIS PURPOSE, WITH THE INTENTION THAT THE DOLLARS THAT WERE UNSPENT LAST YEAR WOULD BE ROLLED FORWARD TO THIS YEAR. THIS IS JUST TAKING THAT ACTION OFFICIALLY. THE ITEM I WAS GONNA VISIT WITH YOU ABOUT THIS EVENING ARE FOUR ITEMS, NINE C, TWO THROUGH FIVE, AND THEY ALL RELATE TO PUBLIC ART. SO, UM, THE BACKGROUND ON THAT, AGAIN, ALL THIS IS IN THE PACKET THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL AS TO THE COUNCIL LAST WEEK AND WAS POSTED WITH THE AGENDA. JUST GONNA HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THESE FOUR ITEMS. SO THE BACKGROUND ON THIS IS THERE'S FOUR PIECES OF PUBLIC ART AS PART OF CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENTS OF FOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN VARIOUS PHASES OF COMPLETION OR HAVE BEEN COMPLETED RECENTLY. SO UNDER ED MUNICIPAL CODE 2.96, IT STATES THAT 1% OF MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, WHICH IS DEFINED AS $250,000 OR MORE, SHALL BE SET ASIDE FOR THE INCLUSION OF PUBLIC ART. AND THAT TOOK EFFECT IN MAY OF 2004. SO WHAT I'M VISITING WITH YOU ABOUT ARE THREE, THREE PIECES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE EDMUND VISUAL ARTS COMMISSION, AND THEN ONE THAT'S TO BE VOTED ON LATER ON THIS MONTH. SO THE DOLLARS ARE ANTICIPATED, BUT THEY'RE NOT BUDGETED IN THE BUDGET UNTIL ART IS READY TO BE PURCHASED. SO THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING WOULD ACTUALLY MOVE DOLLARS FROM RESERVES SO THE ART CAN BE PROCURED. SO ITEM NINE C TWO IS RELATED TO THE IMPROVEMENTS AT AC INGER BALL FIELD, WHICH HAVE STARTED. SO THIS PIECE IS CALLED FLIGHT OF DREAMS BY STEVEN LEE AND BRANDON TAYLOR FOR A TOTAL PRICE OF A LITTLE OVER $152,000. AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A RENDERING OF IT. SO IT IS 24 FEET TALL AND IT IS PAINTED STEEL BASEBALL CARDS. AND EACH OF THOSE IS, UH, TWO AND A HALF FEET BY FOUR FEET. ITEM NINE C3 IS FOR THE JOINT USE YMCA LIBRARY, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND SLATED TO BE COMPLETED IN EARLY 2026. IT'S CALLED CIRCLE OF FRIENDS BY GARY LEE. PRICE FOR, UH, A, A TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT OF A LITTLE OVER $148,000. AND THIS IS IMPRESSIVE. IT, IT WEIGHS, UH, 1600 POUNDS. SO I VISITED WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, RANDY S EARLIER, AND HE DOESN'T BELIEVE HE CAN LIFT THIS OVER HIS HEAD. , YOU KNOW, I'VE ADVISED HIM NOT TO TRY, BUT, UM, WHO KNOWS IF HE WILL OR NOT. AND THEN THERE'S THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT RP. SO WHAT'S KIND OF UNIQUE ABOUT THIS ONE IS THE ANIMALS ON THERE ARE FROM THE SEVEN CONTINENTS AROUND THE WORLD. SO THIS WILL BE VERY PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED, UM, AS PEOPLE OUTSIDE, AS PEOPLE COME TO ENTER THE FACILITY. SO ITEM NINE C FOUR IS RELATED TO THE ART, PUBLIC ART COMPONENT OF FIRE STATION NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS CALLED MASTERS OF WATER BY BRANDON TAYLOR FOR A LITTLE OVER $74,000. IT WILL BE 14 FEET TALL AND THEN THE BASE WILL BE A FIRE HOSE NOZZLE SCALED 10 TIMES TO ITS SIZE AND YOU SEE THE RENDERING OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN ITEM NINE C FIVE FOR THE RECENTLY COMPLETED SERVICE. BLAKE SOCCER COMPLEX IS CALLED SOCCER BALL BY LOCAL ARTIST LEY LUMEN FOR $52,000 AND IS AN EIGHT FOOT ROUND POLISHED STAINLESS STEEL. THOSE ARE THE FOUR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE ITEMS. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? COUNCIL ON NINE C TWO. WE DID NOT VOTE ON NINE C ONE. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON? ALRIGHT, SO LET'S TAKE CARE OF SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS HERE. LET'S GO BACK AND VOTE ON ITEM NINE C ONE. COUNSEL, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NINE C. ONE SECOND. MOTION TO SECOND PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. UH, ADAM PASS. THANK YOU. AND NOW WE'RE ON NINE C TWO. COUNSEL, WHERE WE JUST HEARD THE PRESENTATION FROM MR. CONYERS. MOTION TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, SECOND. SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [00:25:01] THAT ITEM'S PASSED. NOW WE'RE ON ITEM 9, 9 3. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NINE C3. SECOND. MOTION TO SECOND PLEASE CATCH YOUR VOTE. I MS. PASS. NINE C FOUR MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NINE C FOUR. SECOND MOTION. SECOND, PLEASE CATCH YOUR VOTE. ITEM FIVE IS CONSIDERATION APPROVAL APPROPRIATION. SUPPLEMENTAL ATION 2017, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT CIP TO THE ART PUBLIC PLACE FUND FOR THE AND FROM THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACE FUND TO THE ADMINISTRATION ADMIN SUPPORT GENERAL GOVERNMENT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SERVICE. BLAKE SOCCER COMPLEX PER AL CODE. MOTION TO APPROVE. PARDON ME. MOTION TO APPROVE. YOU HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT ITEM, MS. PASS. NEXT WE ARE IN OUR CI CITY COUNCIL, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. UH, ITEM [A. Case No. SP24-00013; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Site Plan Application for the A.C. Caplinger Sports Complex, Located on the East Side of Bryant Avenue, North of 9th Street. (City of Edmond; Ward 1)] 10 A IS CASE NUMBER S SP 24 DASH 0 1 3 13 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION FOR A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR AC CAPITAL CHURCH SPORTS COMPLEX, LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF BRYAN, NORTH OF NINTH STREET. CITY OF EDMOND IS THE APPLICANT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. THANK YOU. UM, AS INDICATED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR THE FACILITY RENOVATION OF THE AC CAPLINGER SPORTS COMPLEX. YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE LOCATED, UM, NEAR NINTH AND BRYANT JUST NORTH OF PAPER PARK. THE PROJECT INCLUDES 10 BALL FIELDS, A RESTROOM AND OFFICE BUILDING, A MAINTENANCE BUILDING, THREE PARKING LOTS WITH 488 SPACES. THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 27 AND HALF ACRES. ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED AT THREE POINTS ALONG THE EXISTING DRIVE THAT ALSO SERVES FER PARK. THE SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION. THE CURRENT PROJECT PLAN INCLUDES VARIANCES FOR REDUCED PARKING AREA, LANDSCAPING AND PLANT UNIT REQUIREMENTS. THE DESIGN SEEKS TO BALANCE THE DEMANDS OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING PLAYABILITY GOALS, PARKING, AVAILABILITY, BUDGET, AND THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY MAINTENANCE OVER TIME. UH, THE ELEVATION SHOWS THAT THE BUILDINGS CONSIST OF MASONRY BLOCK AND PRE-FINISHED METAL PANELS. PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON SEPTEMBER 17TH BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO, SUBJECT TO THE VARIANCES. HAVING YOU TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM RIGHT NOW? UM, HOW MANY, UM, LANDSCAPING ISLAND TREES WERE REQUIRED WITH THE VARIANCE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IS SOMEONE FROM LANDSCAPING HERE THAT COULD SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THAT PLAN? I KNOW OUR LANDSCAPING ISLAND REQUIREMENTS ARE LIKE WE HAVE, WE HAVE SUPERMAN COMING HERE. OH YEAH. EXCELLENT. HI JAMES. HELLO. SO, UH, APPROXIMATELY BEFORE, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? YES. JAMES HAZARD. I'M WITH HALF ASSOCIATES. UM, WE ARE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND, UH, PRIME DESIGN, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, PRIOR TO REVISING THE PLAN TO MAXIMIZE PARKING FOR THE USE OF THE FACILITY, UH, WE ELIMINATED APPROXIMATELY 18, UH, ISLANDS WITH TREES, UM, WHERE THE PLAN CURRENTLY SITS. SO THE PLAN THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO THAT HAD 18 ISLANDS WITH TREES IN THEM. SO REGARDLESS OF THE VARIANCE BEFORE YOU TODAY, THERE WOULD STILL BE A VARIANCE IN PLACE. UM, BECAUSE THE SITE HAS A NUMBER OF UTILITIES, UH, KIND OF STRONG IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO REQUIRE, UH, A VARIANCE FOR THAT. BUT THIS IS A GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED? IT IS, YES. OKAY. AND HOW MANY FEWER PARKING SPACES, UM, WERE THERE WITH THE 18 ISLANDS WITH TREES IN THE PRIOR VERSION? PREVIOUSLY. AND WE WENT THROUGH NUMBER OF DESIGN, UH, ITERATIONS, BUT I BELIEVE THE NUMBER WAS, UH, 14. SO THIS ELIMINATING THESE 18 ISLANDS WITH TREES, UM, RESULTED IN AN ADDITIONAL [00:30:01] 14 SPOTS? CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO YEAH, I DO HAVE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO MAKE UP FOR THE LANDSCAPING? SO THE NATURE OF THE FACILITY IN AND OF ITSELF BEING A BALL FIELD IS, UH, OVERLY LANDSCAPED ALREADY. UH, AS IN THE OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPE PROVIDED JUST BY THE NATURE OF WHAT IT IS, UM, WE ARE ONLY SLIGHTLY INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF THE SITE. UH, SO, UH, THE INTENT AS IT IS CURRENTLY AND, AND WHAT IT WILL BE, IS STILL, UH, WIDELY OPEN. UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE EXISTING UTILITIES AND PROPOSED UTILITIES PREVENT US FROM BEING ABLE TO PLANT TREES IN A VAST MAJORITY OF THE SITE. SO IN BETWEEN ANY OF THE FIELDS, UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER UTILITIES AS WELL AS THE PROGRAMMING OF THE SITE, UH, TO BE A BALL FIELD, UM, AND AND MAINTAIN THAT, UH, PLAYABILITY. SO IN ORDER TO MAKE UP FOR THE, UH, LANDSCAPE THAT'S NOT BEING PROVIDED, WE HAVE PUT, UH, A LARGE NUMBER OF DOLLARS INTO RETAINING WALLS AND PRESERVING THE EXISTING TREES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UH, A LARGE EFFORT WENT INTO, UH, MITIGATION AND PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING TREES ON SITE. UM, WE HAVE EVEN THROUGHOUT THE, THE COURSE OF THE DESIGN GONE FROM A, UH, AN EVEN MORE LIMITED LANDSCAPE THAN WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY, UH, WITH INCREASED OR ENHANCED LANDSCAPE ISLANDS THROUGHOUT THE SITE. UH, SO WE HAVE, UH, ORNAMENTAL AND, UH, PERENNIAL PLANTINGS IN EVERY ISLAND AS WELL AS TREES WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, ANOTHER CONDITION OF THE SITE THAT PREVENTS US FROM PLANTING ADDITIONAL TREES, WHICH WOULD, UH, MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, UM, IS THE SITE HAS A SIGNIFICANT SANDSTONE FORMATION UNDERNEATH IT AS WELL AS AN EXISTING LANDFILL. UM, AND SO TRYING TO MITIGATE, UH, THOSE CONDITIONS, UH, IS CHALLENGING. SO DO THESE CONDITIONS PREVENT YOU FROM PLANTING TREES AND, UM, THE LITTLE MEDIANS IN THE PARKING LOT OR JUST IN THE BALL FIELD? SO, UH, HIS QUESTION WAS IN REFERENCE TO WHAT WAS BEING ABLE, WHAT WAS BEING DONE TO MITIGATE, UH, THAT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF, WHEN THE WAY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL THOSE CONDITIONS. DO THEY ALSO, UM, OCCUR IN WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS? UH, YES. THERE ARE POCKETS OF, UH, FORMER LANDFILL CONDITIONS IN THE PARKING LOT. UH, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT PREVENTS US FROM PUTTING THEM IN THE PARKING LOT ITSELF. IT'S MORE ABOUT, UH, WHERE WE CAN MAKE UP THAT LANDSCAPE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE SITE. SO, UH, THE STRETCH ACROSS BRYANT, UH, THAT RUNS NORTH SOUTH, UH, IS, AS YOU SEE IT TODAY, IT HAS A LARGE SANDSTONE FACE TO IT. UM, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE, UH, SUITABLE, YOU KNOW, PLANTING, UH, CONDITIONS FOR TREES AND OTHER LANDSCAPE THERE. SO WITHIN THE PARKING LOTS ITSELF, IT DOESN'T PREVENT US EXCEPT FOR THE UTILITIES, UH, THAT ARE THERE THAT DO PREVENT US FROM PLANTING TREES. SO, OKAY. I GUESS THAT YOU SAID IT DOESN'T PREVENT YOU EXCEPT FOR WHERE IT DOES PREVENT YOU, THE LANDFILL CONDITIONS. RIGHT. UH, AND THE SANDSTONE DO NOT PREVENT US FROM PLANTING TREES IN THE, IN THE, UH, PARKING LOT. PARKING LOTS, BUT THE UTILITIES DO. SO YOU WOULD NEED THIS VARIANCE SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PLANT THEM IN THE PARKING LOT OR BECAUSE THEY WANT MORE PARKING SPOTS. SO THIS VARIANCE IS IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING REGARDLESS, UH, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LARGE EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH THE, UH, ONE OF THE PARKING LOTS IS A 50 FOOT, UH, NATURAL GAS EASEMENT, A 16 INCH DIAMETER PIPE, UH, DISTRIBUTION LINE. UH, AND THEN IN ONE OF THE OTHER LOTS WE HAVE A SANITARY SEWER, UH, LINE THAT PREVENTS US FROM PLANTING, UH, A FEW TREES AS WELL. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR BASE VARIANCE REQUEST, REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, IS THE ADDITIONAL TREES, I FORGET THE, THE DIFFERENCE JUST NOW, BUT, UM, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING PREVENTING US FROM PLANTING THOSE TREES IN THE LANDSCAPE IN THE PARKING LOT. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A VARIANCE FOR THIS PARKING LOT REGARDLESS. CORRECT. AN EARLIER VERSION, UM, WAS REALLY WHAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO BECAUSE OF EASEMENTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. MM-HMM. THEN APPARENTLY WITH DISCUSSION WITH THE ELIMINATION OF AN ADDITIONAL 18 ISLANDS WITH TREES, WE GET 14 MORE SPOTS. SO IF WE SAID, HEY, WE WANT VERSION ONE WITHOUT THE ELIMINATION OF THE ISLANDS IN THE 14 SPOTS, THAT'S NOT A HUGE REDESIGN ISSUE BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED. RIGHT? YES. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND, UH, CHANGE THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED. CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A TAD? SORRY. . THANK YOU. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVISE THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AS [00:35:01] THEY ARE TODAY, UH, BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED FOR BIDDING. UH, SO THAT WOULD IN INCUR A LITTLE BIT OF COST THERE. AS FAR AS THE DESIGN ITSELF, IT'S MOSTLY BEEN DONE. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND, UH, REVISE OUR IRRIGATION PLANS AND SOME THINGS THAT HADN'T BEEN PROGRESSED BY THE TIME THEY WERE MOVED FROM THE DRAWINGS. OKAY. UM, I, I DO WANT TO NOTE, JUST WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING, UH, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE, UH, TRIED VERY HARD TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PARKING. SURE. THE SITE IS VERY CONSTRAINED, UH, LIKE I MENTIONED WITH THE UTILITIES AND OTHER, UM, ATTRIBUTES OF THE SITE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPAND RIGHT ON ANY EDGE OF THE PARK. UH, THE TYPICAL, UH, KIND OF THE RULE OF THUMB PARKING SPACES REQUIRED FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY, ONE THAT IS READY FOR TOURNAMENTS IS ABOUT 50 TO 70 SPACES. AND THAT'S, UH, A GUIDELINE, UH, TO HELP US UNDERSTAND, UM, OR, OR TO HELP US, UH, ACHIEVE, UH, THIS USE FOR THE SITE. CURRENTLY WE DON'T EVEN MEET THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF SITES THAT'S RECOMMENDED, UH, GENERALLY WITH WHAT THIS IS PROVIDING. AND SO WE'VE ALREADY ALWAYS TRIED TO ACHIEVE AS MUCH PARKING AS WE CAN. THE ISLANDS THAT YOU SEE IN THE PARKING LOT WE'RE PRESERVED FOR SAFETY, CIRCULATION AND FUNCTIONALITY OF THE PARKING LOTS, UH, FOR PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICULAR USE. SO, UH, WE DID TRY AND BALANCE IT AS BEST AS WE COULD, BUT, UM, JUST AGAIN, TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF SPACES, THIS IS WHERE WE ENDED UP. WELL, HOW MANY ISLANDS ARE GONNA BE REMAIN NOW YOU'RE TRIPPING ME UP. UM, I BELIEVE IT IS 14, UM, 18 TOTAL TREES. AND, UM, I THINK HE'S, HE'S SAYING HOW MANY ARE THERE NOT HOW MANY WERE ELIMINATED? OH, HOW MANY ISLANDS REMAIN? UM, DO I I THINK I'D HAVE TO COUNT THEM IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, WE HAVE ISLANDS, UH, THAT PROVIDE TREES ON BOTH SIDES OR THE TERMINUS OF EACH PARKING STALL, UH, AT EVERY ROW OF PARKING. UH, SO IT, IT, IT TERMINATES EACH PARKING ROW. OKAY. UM, IN EACH DIRECTION. SO YOU GET 14 SPOTS AND GET RID OF 18 TREES. YES, SIR. SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE BASE VARIANCE WOULD HAVE TO ELIMINATE SOME TREES, RIGHT. BECAUSE OF THE, UH, EASEMENTS. I THINK BRAD HAS SOMETHING I'LL JUST, UM, I'LL JUST ASK A QUESTION OF YOU JUST TO MAYBE CLARIFY. 'CAUSE I HAD A DIFFERENT NUMBER THAT WE HAD EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS OF ABOUT 40 SPOTS THAT ELIMINATING THOSE PARKING ISLANDS. BUT I'M ASSUMING IF WE PUT IN 18 PARKING ISLANDS INTO THE CURRENT PLAN AS IT IS, WE'D LOSE A LOT MORE THAN 14 SPOTS IF WE WERE TO GO BACK AND REDESIGN IT AND PUT THAT IN AS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD TO MAKE THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN PROCESS FROM, FROM THAT TIME, BUT YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE I HEARD WE WOULD, UM, HAVE 40 MORE SPOTS. SO 40 IS A DIFFERENCE FROM WHERE WE STARTED TO THE, THE COMPROMISE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, OKAY. TODAY. SO 40 WAS THE LARGER NUMBER THAT WE REALLY PUSHED FOR. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DIAL BACK, WE PUT IN 18 MORE ISLANDS WITH TREES AND WE LOSE 14 SPOTS. CORRECT. AND THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM INFORMATION PROVIDED TODAY. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. THE NUMBER BEING 40 SPACES. MM. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF VARIANCE IN ORDER TO DO THE PROJECT. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AND IN THE BASE VARIANCE, WE GOT 40 MORE SPOTS. I MEAN, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TO DO THAT. THERE WAS THEN A VERSION THAT ELIMINATED 18 ISLANDS AND 18 TREES THAT GETS US IN ADDITIONAL 14 SPOTS. THAT'S CORRECT. SO, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO WEIGH OUT, SO IS THAT THAT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, AN EARLIER VERSION WITH THESE 18 ISLANDS AND TREES, WE'RE LOSING 14 SPOTS. THAT'S THE DIFFERENTIAL. I'M, I UNDERSTAND WE NEED SOME KIND OF VARIANCE, BUT I WANNA DO THE LEAST AMOUNT OF VARIANCE WE CAN ON THE PROJECT. SO IT, IT, IT IS A SMALL TRADE OFF TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING. RIGHT. UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, IT IS THE BEST COMPROMISE AND WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO PUT FORWARD TO STILL SOFTEN THE LANDSCAPE OR SOFTEN THE PARKING LOT, PROVIDE SHADE AND ADHERE TO STANDARDS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, I WILL SAY MY WATCHING MY 3-YEAR-OLD SON AT THIS COMPLEX THIS FALL, UM, THERE WERE PEOPLE PARKED IN THE GRASS AND ALL OVER. SURE. UM, SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD AND WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS, UH, WHILE WE DEVELOPED THE MASTER PLAN, UM, WAS THEY WANTED TO MAXIMIZE PARKING. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT THAT THEY HEAR. UH, AND SOMETHING THAT THE DESIGN TEAM, UH, TRIED TO RESPOND TO AS BEST AS WE COULD. [00:40:01] SO YOU SAID WE'RE STILL UNDER THE MINIMUM. HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS TOTAL WITH THE VARIANCE WILL THERE BE? UH, IT WAS THE, THE NUMBER BEFORE YOU, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, IN FRONT OF ME. THE, THE LATEST NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, UH, WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE NATURAL GAS, UH, LINE RECONFIGURATION IS A TOTAL OF 484 SPACES. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT 4 88, WHICH DOES DIFFER FROM THE NUMBER BEFORE YOU. UH, THOSE ARE ONGOING CON CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THE NATURAL GAS COMPANY, UM, ABOUT MODIFYING, UH, SOME OF THE PARKING, UH, AND THE DRIVES TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR GAS LINE. SO I, UH, SERVED MONTHLY ON THE REVIEW COMMITTEE. THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD FRONT CONVERSATION OF WHAT TO DO. THAT HAS BEEN THE FEEDBACK OF THOSE THAT HAVE UTILIZED THIS FACILITY IN THE PAST, THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH AVAILABLE PARKING AND THE FLOW OF IT IS VERY DIFFICULT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'LL KNOW WILL BE HAPPENING, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THIS, UH, CURRENT AC DOESN'T HAVE, IS THE ABILITY TO BASICALLY HAVE THAT FRONT LOOP WHERE YOU CAN DROP OFF AND PICK UP, WHICH WILL THEN ALSO BE A DA ACCESSIBLE. WE COULD TAKE THOSE DIRECTLY FOR PARKING SPOTS, BUT THEN CIRCULATION, UM, WOULD BE A CHALLENGE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, BASICALLY THE ONLY PLACE YOU HAVE TO GO ONCE YOU TURN INTO THAT PARKING LOT IF YOU'RE QUEUED UP, IS ON SECOND STREET. SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE AS MUCH CIRCULATION AS YOU CAN IS HELPFUL. UM, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE ORIGINAL, UM, ARCHITECT KIND OF RENDERINGS OF THE PROJECT AT KICKING BIRD, BUT I ALWAYS KEEP THAT TOP OF MIND JUST GIVEN THE POPULARITY, UH, THAT OUR AMENITIES HAVE. WHETHER IT'S KICKING BIRD WITH PICKLEBALL OR IT'S THE NEW ROCKET SHIP STEVENSON PARK, I THINK OUR CITIZENS RESPOND OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE ONCE THE NEW AMENITIES ARE PUT IN. AND I CAN SEE, UH, A LOT OF, OF, UH, OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR AND NEEDING PARKING. WE DID STUDY A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH, AS YOU REMEMBER. WE HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS THERE, UM, AND SOME FABRICATED MOBILE HOMES UP THERE. SO WE CAN'T GET TOO CLOSE TO ENCROACHING THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I LOOKED AT AND HAD THE GROUP STUDY IF WE COULD DO PARKING JUST ON THE EAST SIDE, BUT WE'D HAVE TO RIP OUT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, EXERCISE CIRCUIT IN ORDER TO HAVE ADDITIONAL ROW OF PARKING THERE. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS SOMEBODY WHO SERVED ON IT AND HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS, I WOULD RECOMMEND IN FAVOR OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT STRIKES THAT BALANCE GIVEN THE SAFETY CIRCULATION AND NUMBER OF SPOTS. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A, AN AMENDED, UM, AGREEMENT OR STUDY OF PARKING THAT THEN LOOKS TO ADD, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL 20, 30 SPACES OR 14 SPACES OR WHATEVER IT IS. UM, DIFFICULT CONVERSATION JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE HAVE A PARKING, UM, LOT THAT DIDN'T MEET INITIAL STANDARDS AND NOW WE WANT TO, WE'RE MAKING A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT IN IT, AND NOW, WHICH IS GOING INCREASE THE POPULARITY OF THE PARK. AND THEN, UH, THAT MEANS MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA ATTEND. AND, AND ALL THAT. I, I'VE, I'VE, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE DESIRE TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING AS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, I CAN TELL YOU, COUNCIL'S HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, WHAT OTHER CONCERNS I'VE ALWAYS HAD ABOUT TREES AND ISLANDS IS THE SAFETY ASPECT THAT THE TREE, IT IS BEAUTIFUL. IT'S, IT'S ENHANCING, IT'S HELPING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND ALL THAT, BUT AT TIMES IT, IT, IT DOES BECOME A SAFETY ISSUE, UH, FOR, FOR PEOPLE. AND, UM, IF I CAN INCREASE PARKING AND REDUCE SAFE AND INCREASE SAFETY ASPECTS, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY AT A, AT THIS FACILITY WHERE WE KNOW THE ATTENDANCE IS GOING TO INCREASE TREMENDOUSLY. COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A FAIR TRADE MAYOR. UH, 14 SPOTS, 14 ADDITIONAL SPOTS IS NOT SIGNIFICANT, UH, COMPARED TO 18 TREE ITEMS. AND I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE BRYANT SQUARE, UH, TREE IN SIGHT. WE WOULDN'T APPROVE IF THIS WERE AN APPLICATION FOR A SHOPPING CENTER AND THIS VARIANCE WERE TO COME UP, I WOULD'VE ALREADY MADE A MOTION TO VOTE NO. AND SO I LISTENED TO THIS TRYING TO MAYBE FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE. I'M STILL A, NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, THE PROPER THING TO DO, NOT AT A CITY FACILITY. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT. AND, AND SO I INTEND TO VOTE NO. UM, I FEEL SIMILARLY TO, TO MR. MOORE. I MEAN, I I AM REALLY GLAD THAT WE HAVE THE TURNAROUND, THE FLOW, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE SO THAT FOLKS CAN DROP PEOPLE OFF. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S GONE [00:45:01] INTO THIS. UM, I TOO STRUGGLE WITH SOME CONSISTENCY AND I REALLY WANT TO GRANT THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF VARIANCE THAT WE NEED. AND IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, TO ME, 14 SPOTS OUT OF 484 SPOTS, UM, IS NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT ELIMINATING 18 ISLANDS WITH 18 TREES. UM, THE OTHER DISTINGUISHING FEATURE I THINK FROM THIS SITE IS, UM, WITHOUT CROSSING A SUPER BUSY ROAD, WE'VE GOT NINTH THERE AND THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS OF PARKING IN FER PARK. SO I KNOW PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS COMMUNITY, DON'T LIKE TO WALK. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY YOU COULD DROP SOMEONE OFF WITH THEIR, THEIR THEIR, UH, BAT BAG AND SO FORTH, PARK OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT SOUTH WITHOUT GOING ACROSS BRYANT OR GOING INTO ANOTHER AREA WITH, WITH PLENTY OF PARKING. SO I, I AM WITH MR. MOORE, I JUST DON'T, IT'S A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS. 14 SPOTS FOR 18 TREES IS, IS, I THINK, DOESN'T STRIKE THE BALANCE THAT THE VERSION RIGHT BEFORE THAT, I THINK DID, I'D ALSO ADD MAYOR, I THINK IF THIS WERE A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND LET 'EM BRING IT UP HERE. THEY'D TELL 'EM, DON'T EVEN TRY TO DO THAT. WELL, THAT'S, WELL, AND SO I JUST, IIII JUST DON'T, THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD HERE THAT I, I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IF, IF, IF YOU, IF THERE'S SOME QUESTION CONFUSION, IS THERE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND STAFF AND, AND HAVE CONTINUOUS SOME ON THIS ITEM SO THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO MAKE ANY DECISION WITHOUT THEIR QUESTIONS BEING ANSWERED. UM, SO IF, IF WE HAVE TWO COUNCIL OR ONE COUNCIL PERSON WHO FEELS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WITH STAFF ON HOW TO GO FORWARD TO, SO THAT YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE ARCHITECT AND STAFF IS TRYING TO DO. YEAH. UM, I MEAN THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL BECAUSE, I MEAN, I DID GET AN EMAIL TODAY THAT SAID THE DIFFERENTIAL WAS 40 SPOTS. THAT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT SITUATION. RIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS REFLECTED TONIGHT. SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND AND UM, AND I UNDERSTAND, AND I'VE SAID IT ABOUT 14 TIMES THIS TRADE OFF BETWEEN 18 TREES AND ISLANDS AND 14 SPOTS. UM, BUT IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT ACCURATE OR STAFF NEEDS TO, I MEAN, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WAITING AND, AND CONTINUING IT AND GETTING MORE INFORMATION AND FACTS. AND I APOLOGIZE ON THE, THE CONFUSION FOR THE 40 SPACES. UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S RELATING TO THE NUMBERS, THE TOTAL VARI, THE TOTAL, WELL THE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SPACES THAT WE'VE EVEN ADDED TO THE, UH, PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY. RIGHT. UH, SO WE'VE, WE'VE GONE, UM, 40 OR MORE SPACES FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING PROVIDED TODAY, NUMBER OF SPACES. SO THE, THE 40 IS, IS THE MAXIMUM THAT WE WERE EVEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE WITH ALL THE ISLANDS IN THERE. AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE IS ABOUT 14 SPACES. RIGHT. SO, AND I'M, I'M AT THE 18 TREES IS NOT WORTH 14 SPOTS PLACE. THAT'S WHERE I AM. ME TOO. DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS AROUND IF IT'S DELAYED, JUST KIND OF PROJECT WISE? LIKE IF YOU, IF WE DON'T GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TONIGHT, I'M, I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF THE LETTING IT OUT. LIKE WHERE, WHERE WE AT AS FAR AS, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A TIGHT ONE SEASON THAT WE WANNA MISS. YES. SO THE, THE PLANS ARE CURRENTLY OUT TO BID. UH, THEY WILL BE, UM, BIDS WILL BE AWARDED, I BELIEVE IN A WEEK'S TIME, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, OR A WEEK AND A HALF. UM, AND SO WE ARE GETTING TO THE END OF THE, THE BIDDING, UH, TIMELINE, OUR ABILITY TO, UH, AMEND A CONTRACT OR ANYTHING AND REDESIGN ANYTHING OR, UM, AMEND THE BIDDING DOCUMENTS AT THIS POINT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT TIGHT. I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF OUR ABILITY TO, TO REVISE ALL THE PLANS, UH, IN, IN TIME CAN I ASK, BUT WE COULD AMEND, UH, THIS INTO THE PROJECT AFTER BIDDING IS AWARDED. OKAY. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A QUESTION. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS PREMATURE TO BE BIDDING A PROJECT BEFORE WE'VE GRANTED A VARIANCE. SO I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THAT. BUT IT SOUNDS, I MEAN, SO JUST TO SPEAK ON THAT, THE, THE BIDDING TIMELINE WAS REALLY DRIVEN, UH, BY DELIVERING THIS PROJECT TO THE COMMUNITY WHILE IMPACTING, UH, THE PLAYING SEASON AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. SO RIGHT. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DELIVER THIS BY, UH, FALL OF 25, AND THAT WOULD BASICALLY TAKE OUT THE FACILITY FOR THE SHORTEST DURATION OF TIME. UM, AND THAT, THAT'S WHY, UH, THE, UH, BIDDING HAS MOVED FORWARD. I WOULD WITHOUT THINK THAT PROBABLY WE SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS EARLIER THEN IF YOU NEEDED THAT VARIANCE. MM-HMM. . AND IF YOU'RE, IF IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE ARCHITECTS TO REDRAW IT, WAS THERE NOT DRAWINGS OF THIS PRIOR TO THE REMOVAL [00:50:01] OR PRIOR TO ASKING FOR THIS VARIANCE? SO THERE IS A VERSION OF THIS THAT WE, UH, COULD GO BACK AND, UH, PULL FROM, UH, SOME OF THE DESIGN, BUT AT THE TIME IT WAS REMOVED, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE, THE DESIGNS WERE NOT FULLY DEVELOPED AT THAT POINT. I BELIEVE THESE WERE REMOVED AT ABOUT THE 60% MARK. AND SO WE DIDN'T HAVE FULL IRRIGATION PLANS DEVELOPED AND THAT SORT OF THING AT THAT POINT. SO THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF ADVANCEMENT ON THOSE PLANS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE. ALTHOUGH MINIMAL, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANT THIS TO BE OPEN FOR PLAYING SEASON. THAT WAS THE, YEAH, THAT WAS THE PLAN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING BEFORE WE EVEN EVER CLOSED DOWN THE PARK FOR THE SEASON. UM, I GUESS I, I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED TOO THAT THIS WENT TO BID WITHOUT ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE PREVIOUSLY OR THAT THE DRAWINGS WERE FINALIZED WITHOUT ASKING. AND SO WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE, I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL'S FRUSTRATION. UH, I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WENT OUT TO BID BECAUSE OF THE AGGRESSIVENESS OF THE, OF THE, SO, BUT I'M STILL HEARING CONFUSION HERE OR IS NOT, NOT CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT IS THE PLAN, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE REQUESTED FOR A VARIANCE IN WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT. BECAUSE IF, IF, IF IT'S TWO WEEKS TO TO SAY HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION BECAUSE, UM, POTENTIALLY, UM, IT'S AS WELL THE WAY I, THE WAY I SEE IT, IF THERE IS A, A DELAY IN, IN THE VARIANCE OR, OR, OR THIS, THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT AT THE END ON THE, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE EQUAL SIGN. THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTS NEXT SEASON, BUT THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS TO GO BACK. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW IS THE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MINIMIZE THAT TO THE MAXIMUM ABILITY? SO THAT ONE, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL HAS THE, THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED EVEN FROM UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL VARIANCE WOULD'VE BEEN, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THEN UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT TO, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE EQUATION TO NEXT SEASON. OKAY. BECAUSE ANY, 'CAUSE ANY DELAY HERE, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, DRAWINGS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE REDONE, REBIDS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT AND ALL THAT. I DIDN'T HEAR, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN GET BIDS IN, AWARD THE BID, MAKE A MODIFICATION BASED ON THIS. UM, I'M NOT HERE TO DELAY THE PROJECT OR HAVE IT NOT OPEN FOR THE SEASON, BUT IT, IT, I MEAN I WANT THE 18 TREES BACK AND I'LL GIVE UP 14 SPOTS. THAT SEEMS LIKE THE BEST COMPROMISE, UM, TO GET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF SPOTS WITHOUT GRANTING A VARIANCE OF IS JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, A TRADE OFF. THAT MAKES SENSE. MR. COUNCIL MOORE? SO, UH, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF A TWO WEEK DELAY. I I'M NOT EITHER. I MEAN, I'M READY TO VOTE NO RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT'S TWO, TWO WEEKS CAUSES A CATASTROPHE IN TERMS OF PLANNING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SO THE, THE TWO WEEK PERIOD THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR BIDDING WOULD ULTIMATELY PUSH THIS, UM, INTO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, UH, AFTER GOING, IF THIS WERE TO GO BACK TO, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND REAPPLY, UM, KEN MAYBE WILL SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. UM, BUT THIS WOULD PUSH BACK THE, THE BIDDING WINDOW FOR THIS. UM, OKAY. ALRIGHT. I LEARNED ABOUT THIS ON THURSDAY AND I SAID I, AND HERE WE ARE ON MONDAY. NOTHING'S CHANGED. I KNOW WHAT I'VE READ AND, AND I'VE GOT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NOW THAN I HAD AT TWO O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, BUT I'M NOT VOTING FOR THIS. SO MAYOR DO OR, AND MR. MANAGER, I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE FROM STAFF WHO CAN SPEAK TO THIS PROCEDURALLY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. OCH DIRECTORY, COMMUNITY QUALITY. UH, ONE OF THE EFFORTS I'LL RECEIVE FOR THE CITY IS LANDSCAPE CODE REVIEW. UM, AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, UH, SOME LEADERSHIP OF IT. SO, UM, PLEASE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, UH, HOW YOU VOTE THIS EVENING IS, IS NOT THE CAUSE OF DELAY FOR THIS PROJECT. I DON'T WANT THAT PRESSURE ON YOU. I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, MISPLACED. IF [00:55:01] THAT'S THE CASE, WE WILL WORK THROUGH THE PROJECT CONSTRAINTS, UH, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU VOTE. THANK, THANK YOU. SO PLEASE VOTE ACCORDINGLY WITHOUT THAT PRESSURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. NO, I, I WASN'T PUTTING PRESSURE ON COUNSEL. I'M JUST STATING THE FACTS THAT THERE IS A, AN EQUATION TO THIS AND THAT IT'S, IT'S OUR APPROVAL PLUS THEIR PERFORMANCE EQUALS OPEN SEASON. THAT'S, NO, THAT'S JUST THE FACTS. I'M NOT PUTTING PRESSURE ON COUNSEL. OH, SO NO, NO SIR. I'M JUST STATING THE FACTS THAT OKAY. NO SIR. I DID NOT IN, IN, IN, IN MEAN THAT IN RESPONSE TO ANY COMMENTS YOU MADE, UH, SIMPLY THAT, UH, WE WILL MANAGE THE PROJECT ACCORDINGLY. AND EVERY AVAILABLE RESOURCE AND OPTION WE HAVE TO MINIMIZE THAT AND WE WILL WORK THROUGH THOSE CHALLENGES. OKAY. UH, YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT MAYOR. MM-HMM. , UH, I WOULD PROPOSE, UH, ALTERNATIVE, UM, VARIANCE BE CONSIDERED. WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PRIVATE UTILITY IMPLICATIONS TO THIS THAT DO NOT ALLOW US TO PLANT TREES IN THESE EASEMENTS. UH, I WOULD PROPOSE, UH, THE PROJECT PURSUE A VARIANCE, UH, TO A VERY LIMITED, UH, DELETION OF TREE PLANTING ISLANDS. SO LIMIT THAT TO WHERE PRIVATE UTILITY CONFLICTS DO NOT ALLOW THAT PLANTING. IF THAT WERE GRANTED TONIGHT AND THAT VARIANCE WERE GRANTED TONIGHT, UM, THE PLANS CAN ALL BE DEVELOPED ACCORDINGLY TO THAT. AND, UM, THERE WON'T BE A NEED TO COME BACK AND SEEK ANOTHER VARIANCE. SO, AS AN OPTION, I WOULD SUGGEST CONSIDER THAT THE VARIANCE BE LIMITED TO DE DELETING TREE ISLANDS WHERE PRIVATE UTILITY CONFLICTS EXIST. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. ONE MORE TIME. OKAY. I SUGGEST THE VARIANCE BE MODIFIED. MM-HMM. . SO THE VARIANCE IS ASKING FOR TREE ISLANDS TO NOT BE REQUIRED WHERE PRIVATE UTILITY CONFLICTS EXIST. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING EARLIER. MAYBE I WAS NOT ASKING IT CORRECTLY IF SOME OF THESE ISLANDS COULD EVEN HAVE TREES IN THEM AND SO MAYBE HOW MANY COULD NOT? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT VARIANCE. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. EXACTLY. SO IT WILL GREATLY REDUCE THE, THE, UH, IT WILL INCREASE GREATLY THE NUMBER OF TREE ISLANDS AND GET US MUCH CLOSER TO THE STANDARD. OKAY. AND IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE MAYBE IN THE 18 AREA FROM WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING, WE GOT 14 SPOTS AND 18 TREES, BUT WE COULD POTENTIALLY VOTE ON IT WITH THAT MODIFICATION AND IT'LL BE WHATEVER IT IS, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THAT BALLPARK. YES MA'AM. I SUGGEST THAT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED AND PERHAPS OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE NUMBERS. OKAY. AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THAT MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE MOTION TONIGHT? OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT IN TWO WEEKS AND GO DO SOME FIGURING ON THIS? I SUGGEST THIS EVENING. YEAH. SO I, I GUESS ONE MORE QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE COULD SAY, OKAY, UM, WE DON'T WANNA VOTE ON THE EXPERIENCE, WE WANT THE 18, WE WANT THE ISLANDS. AND THEN WE SAY, OKAY. THEY GO PUT THE ISLANDS IN AND SAY, YEAH, BUT WE CAN'T PUT TREES IN SIX OF THEM BECAUSE OF UTILITIES. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO WITH THIS VARIANCE, WE COULD SAY WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE ISLANDS WHERE TREES ARE APPROPRIATE TO PLANT AND ELIMINATE THE ISLANDS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE TREES. IS THAT CORRECT? CAN WE KEEP SAYING, I THINK WHAT HE SAID IS CLEARER, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S DISCUSSION OF PUTTING IN ISLANDS WHERE WE CAN'T DO A TREE. IT'S SORT OF AN EITHER OR SITUATION. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. YEAH. CORRECT. YES. SO WHERE THERE ARE , I MEAN I LIKE YOUR, HOW YOU'VE VERBALIZE IT OBVIOUSLY IS BETTER, BUT I WAS JUST UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE COULD SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT THIS VARIANCE PUT IN THE 18 ISLANDS, PUT IN THE 18 TREES. YOU PUT IN THEM IN AND THEN IT'S LIKE, YEAH, BUT WE CAN'T PLANT TREES IN SIX OF THEM ANYWAY. SO WITH THE VARIANCE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IT WOULD BE KEEP THE ISLANDS WITH THE TREES WHERE TREES ARE APPROPRIATE TO PLANT. IS THAT CORRECT? IT WILL BE. WE WILL MEET THE ORDINANCE. MM-HMM. EVERYWHERE EXCEPT WHERE PRIVATE UTILITIES PROHIBIT THAT. OKAY. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT WE YOU GOT ANY KINDA NOTION AT ALL THE BEST SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR THAT? FROM WHAT WE ARE, FROM OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SIR. AND HE'S TOLD US THAT, BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK. NO, HE DOES KNOW. OKAY. HE TOLD US. SO JUST TO POINT IT OUT TO YOU, IS THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS DIAGONALLY. YOU HERE, SIR? YOU WELL, [01:00:01] BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO STAY BY THE MICROPHONE. YEAH. 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON TV. ABSOLUTELY SMILE YOU ON CAMERA. CAMERA. SO JUST TO POINT THE EASEMENT OUT TO YOU, IT IS THIS DIAGONAL EASEMENT HERE. IT AFFECTS APPROXIMATELY 1, 2, 3, UH, FOUR. AND I BELIEVE, UH, THERE'S A FIFTH ONE THERE. OKAY. THAT WHAT YOU SAID FIVE. OKAY. UM, SEPARATELY FROM THAT. AND, AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THE, THE, THE PRIVATE UTILITY COMET, THERE IS ONE, UH, TWO IMPACTED ISLANDS HERE THAT ARE IMPACTED BY, UM, EXISTING SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT, NOT EASEMENT, BUT SANITARY SEWER LINE, UH, THAT DOES HAVE A COST IMPLICATION, UH, TO RELOCATE THAT SEWER LINE. UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION IN CASE THERE'S ANY, UH, YEAH, BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE ARE NEEDED FOR SAFETY AT THE END OF THE, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT COUNSEL? I THINK THERE'S A BRAIN TRUST THING HAPPENING OVER. I'M NOT RIGHT NOW. THE MR. OCHSNER HAS PRESENTED A REVISED VARIANCE, A VARIANCE TO THE VARIANCE. UM, DOES THAT ANSWER QUESTIONS CONCERNED FROM THE COUNCIL? I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. PARDON ME? I SAID I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. I'M STILL A NO. OKAY. WELL, UH, SO, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THIS? I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN GET IT EITHER. I GUESS I, I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT I'M CURIOUS, MR. MOORE, IF WHAT YOUR HESITATION IS STILL JUST THE CONFUSION. YEP. AND I THINK, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I LEARNED ABOUT THIS THURSDAY. IT'S CHANGED THREE TIMES SINCE THURSDAY. AND I'M NOT GONNA VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S CHANGING AGAIN TONIGHT. I'M JUST NOT VERY GOOD, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, I'M, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR VOTING SYSTEM THE WAY, WAY WE HAVE IT UP HERE AND RIGHT. I I'M JUST TRYING TO FACILITATE US COMING TO A VOTE TONIGHT. IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNSEL DOES WANNA VOTE ON TONIGHT. I, WITH THE REVISED VARIANCE. SO WITH RYAN, MR. MAYOR WITH, WITH WHAT RYAN PROPOSED, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LEGAL EASE, BUT IT WOULD BE A MOTION DE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROVIDE A VARIANCE UP TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE UTILITY EASEMENT TO BE ENFORCED. I WAS HOPING THE CITY CLERK WROTE IT DOWN. SO, WELL, I THINK, AGAIN, WHAT I CAPTURED WAS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WAS THAT A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION WITH THE VARIANCE MODIFIED WHERE TREE ISLANDS, UH, WOULD ONLY, UH, WHERE TREE ISLANDS GOTTA READ MY OWN HANDWRITING HERE. SORRY. UH, WHERE THE PRIVATE UTILITY CONFLICTS EXISTS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. MAYBE I'M NOT CAPTURING THAT CORRECTLY. IS THAT, DOES THAT WORK? IS, WAS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? RIGHT. BUT IS THERE A CAVEAT FROM WHAT YOU SAID THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE? ARE YOU WITH THE, I WAS GONNA SAY THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS WRITTEN IT DOWN A SECOND. YEAH. I THINK THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN, UM, WITH THE PROPOSED VARIANCE MODIFIED TO ALLOW FOR REMOVAL OF THE TREE ISLANDS ONLY, WHERE THERE'S CONFLICT WITH PRIVATE UTILITY EASEMENTS. OH, OKAY. IS THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM. , RIGHT? YES. ACCURATELY STATED. AND I'M LOOKING AT OUR ARCHITECT TO SEE IF THAT WORKS OR IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL MODIFICATION TO THAT. WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL UTILITY CONFLICTS ARE AT YOUR OPTION. UH, SO IF YOU CHOOSE TO, UM, BLANKET ALL UTILITIES, UM, THEN THAT WOULD IMPACT A PRIVATE SANITARY SEWER, UH, LINE. SO IF YOU DO WANT, UH, TREES, UM, EXCEPT FOR PRIVATE UTILITY, UM, THAT WOULD CAUSE, UH, UH, THE PROJECT TO REALIGN THE SANITARY SEWER LINE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT COST BENEFIT TRADE-OFFS, AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN EXPENSIVE THING. AND SO IF I'M LOOKING AT, I GET THREE MORE TREES, BUT IT COSTS US X NUMBER OF DOLLARS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND SO THAT IS WHERE I'M WONDERING [01:05:01] IF WE ARE BEING PREMATURE IN VOTING ON THIS, IF WE NEED THAT MORE ACCURATELY LAID OUT. SO THE WAY THE BIDDING DOCUMENT DOCUMENTS ARE SET UP, UM, WE DO HAVE THAT AS AN ALTERNATE. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE IN THE PROJECT. IT COULD BE EXCLUDED, UH, AND DOES NOT HAVE TO BE IN THE BASE BID OF THE PROJECT. SO, UM, AT, AT STAFF'S DIRECTION, WE COULD DECLINE THAT ALTERNATE AND KEEP THE SANITARY SEWER AS IT IS AND JUST EXCLUDE THOSE TWO TREES IN THIS LOCATION. MM-HMM, . OKAY. I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF OUR THING WE'RE PROPOSING TO VOTE ON WOULD CAPTURE THAT. 'CAUSE I'M GETTING CONFUSED NOW. SO HOW WOULD IT JUST HAVE TO BE MODIFIED TO CAPTURE THAT MR. CLERK OR FOR MADAM, OR IS IT BECAUSE THAT'S A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT AND SO IT'S NOT ENTERED IN THE PRIVATE UTILITY EASEMENT. RYAN'S NODDING. SO MM-HMM. YOU WOULD SAY TO REMOVE TREE ISLANDS, THE VARIANCE IS MODIFIED TO ALLOW REMOVAL OF TREE ISLANDS WHERE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE UTILITY EASEMENTS EXIST, OR WHERE PRIVATE UTILITY EASEMENTS EXIST. AND THE PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER LINE, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT. SO AT, AT THE BASE VARIANCE, WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE TREES IN THE OKLAHOMA NATURAL GAS EASEMENT. THAT IS, THAT IS THE VARIANCE WE'RE LOOKING AT. IF YOU WANT TWO ADDITIONAL TREES, IT WOULD BE THE SANITARY SEWER LINE, UH, REALIGNMENT. THOSE ARE AN OPTION AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE, HOW THE BASE, BECAUSE OF HOW THE BID DOCUMENTS ARE PUT TOGETHER, UH, WE HAVE THE OPTION AT ANOTHER POINT IN TIME, UM, WHEN WE'RE ACCEPTING THE BIDS TO ACCEPT OR DECLINE THAT ALTERNATE. SO IF, IF THE INITIATIVE IS TO MAXIMIZE THE TREES, WE CAN DECLINE THAT ALTERNATE, UH, AND THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE. IT JUST WILL PROVIDE A ADDITIONAL COST TO THE PROJECT. SO, I MEAN, I'M, I MEAN, I MAKE A MOTION WHAT THE, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY SAID, ADDING BOTH OF THOSE, THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE UTILITY TO PROVIDE A VARIANCE UP UNTIL, UM, AND FOR THOSE TWO, I DIDN'T WORD IT RIGHT, BUT HOWEVER, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY ORDERED IT TO, TO INCLUDE BOTH THOSE. SO THIS IS WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT MM-HMM, TWO WEEKS. YES. IT'S, IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT NOW WHERE YEAH. I'M, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE COUNTING A TREE. WHEN'S THE NEXT OR A HALF TREE OR A TWIG OR, OR NOT? MR. MAYOR, MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 10 A TILL OUR OCTOBER 28TH MEETING? IT, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT THIS COULD DERAIL IT FOR SOME LENGTH OF TIME, BUT I JUST, WE'VE BEEN ASSURED THAT WE CAN GET THIS BACK ON TRACK IN TWO WEEKS. 'CAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAPPEN, WE HAVE A MOTION, BUT THIS IS THE DISCUSSION PART OF IT RIGHT HERE IS THAT WE, WE GO BACK TO BASICALLY SHOW COUNSEL WHERE THE ORIGINAL VARIANCE, WHICH WOULD'VE STARTED AND BRING 'EM THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW YOU CALCULATE IT INTO WHAT NUMBER IT IS TODAY FROM ISLANDS TO TREES AND ALL THAT, AND WHATEVER VARIATIONS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO, FOR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HEARD UP HERE TONIGHT. SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN IS. THIS IS THE NUMBER OF ISLANDS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE NUMBER OF TREES. BUT EVERYONE HAS AN UNDERSTANDING WHERE IT STARTED, BECAUSE ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANT TO ANY UTILITY. I DON'T WANT TO TREE NEAR IT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MAYOR? I DON'T HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THE CONTINUANCE DEAR. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. YES. SO WE DO HAVE A SECOND. YES. SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. AND THIS IS TO CONTINUE IT TO THE 28TH. YES. 28TH. YES. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU. [B. Consideration of Approval of a Variance to Title 23, Section 23.40.090, and Other Applicable Sections, for Placement of Fill and Multi-Family Structures in the FEMA 1% Floodplain and Spring Creek Regulatory Floodplain for the Proposed Spectre Holdings Project Located South of 2nd Street and West of I-35 Frontage. More Precisely, Located at the South Dead-End of Katie Michele Blvd. (Spectre Holdings, LLC; Ward 2)] NEXT IS ITEM, UH, 10 B IS CONSIDERATION APPROVAL VARIANCE TO TITLE 23, SECTION 23.4 0.090. AND OTHER APPLICABLE, UH, SECTIONS FOR PLACEMENT OF FIELD AND [01:10:01] MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES IN THE FEMA, 1% FLOODPLAIN AND SPRING CREEK REGULATORY FLOOD PLAIN FOR THE PROPOSED SPECTER HOLDINGS PROJECT LOCATED SOUTH OF SECOND STREET AND WEST OF I 35, FRONTAGE MORE PRECISELY LOCATED AT THE SOUTH DEAD END OF KATIE, MICHELLE BOULEVARD, SPECTER HOLDINGS. LSCS, THE APPLICANT IS THE APPLICANT HERE. HMM. SPECTER. OKAY. HMM. I DON'T SEE THE APPLICANT AND THEY WERE AWARE OF THE DATE SINCE THEY THIS FOR RE UM, REMINDER THIS APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS, TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS IN A ROW. THAT IS CORRECT, MR. MARIN. THEY DID NOT REQUEST A CONTINUATION THIS TIME. THEY DID NOT REQUEST A CONTINUATION THIS TIME, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE TO FOR THIS VARIANCE REQUESTS. SO WE WE CAN VOTE ON IT, CORRECT? MM-HMM. WITHOUT THEM HEARING. MM-HMM. . WELL, IF YOU WANT TO, YES, YOU CAN VOTE ON IT OR, UM, TRUE. OR WE CAN HEAR THIS TASK REPORT AND WE ASK QUESTIONS. CORRECT. MAKE A DECISION IF YOU WANT. IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN STILL HEAR STAFF'S REPORT AND, AND GO FROM THERE. UM, I'M, I, IS THIS CONCERNING THAT FOR AN APPLICANT TO ASK FOR TWO CONTINUANCES AND, AND NOT BE HERE TONIGHT IS, IS CONCERNING JUST, BUT COUNSEL, IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF AND GO FORWARD, IT'S UP TO YOU. UH, QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. HAS ANYTHING CHANGED? OKAY, SO THE APPLICANT, SIR, UH, THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE. I, I, WELL, IT'S BEEN POSTED. THEY'VE CONTINUED TWICE AS YOU SAID. I'D SAY I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 10 B AND THEN WE'LL JUST VOTE IT DOWN WHEN IT COMES TO IT. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ANY OTHER, WELL, I'M SORRY, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING ON THIS ITEM? ITEM 10 B. SEEING NONE WE A MOTION AND A SECOND OR, OR ITEM 10 B. CAN, CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? YES, SIR. I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT A COUPLE THINGS. ONE IS, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED TWICE. THE APPLICANT HASN'T REACHED OUT TO ME, SO BESIDES WHAT I KNOW FROM THE SWAB MEETING, SO I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE HERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T TAKE TIME TO REACH OUT TO ME. SO, UH, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN NORTH CAROLINA AND SOME OTHER KIND OF CATASTROPHIC THINGS THAT PEOPLE WISH THEY HAD ANOTHER FOOT OR TWO BETWEEN THEM AND DISASTER GIVEN, UH, THE LACK OF SUPPORT AT THE SWAB COMMITTEE, WHICH DEALS WITH THESE ON A TECHNICAL BASIS. AND, UH, GIVEN THE CHALLENGES AND THE REQUESTS THAT I'VE SEEN COME FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT STORM WATER AND DAMAGE AND INCREASE OF, UH, INSURANCE COSTS, UH, WOULD LEAD ME TO VOTE AGAINST, UH, THIS REQUEST FOR VARIANCE. SO WE HAVE MOTION. AND SECOND, NO MORE COMMENTS. COUNSEL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEM DID NOT PASS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, GOING ON TO [C. Case No. Z24-00003; Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ___ Rezoning Certain Property, Generally Located on the Southwest Corner of Coffee Creek and Air Depot, From "G-A" General Agriculture and "R-2-A" Suburban Estate to "Z24-00003" East Fork Planned Unit Development; Providing for Repealer and Severability; and Providing an Effective Date. (Orion AE; Ward 2)] ITEM 10 C, CASE NUMBER Z TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 3, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4,009 4,009 REZONING CERTAIN PROPERTIES GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF COFFEE CREEK IN AIR DEPOT FROM GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE AND R TWO A SUBURBAN ESTATE TO Z TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 3 EAST FOR PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ORION A IS THE APPLICANT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THIS ITEM IS CONTINUED FROM THE SEPTEMBER 23RD COUNCIL MEETING. SO JUST A BRIEF REMINDER ON THE APPLICATION DETAILS, WHICH HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THAT MEETING. THE SITE INCLUDES A LITTLE MORE THAN 150 ACRES, APPROXIMATELY 60 OF THOSE ACRES ARE FLOODPLAIN. THESE AREAS ARE PROPOSED FOR TREE PRESERVATION AND PASSIVE RECREATION, INCLUDING A SEGMENT OF THE PLANNED COFFEE CREEK TRAIL. THE APPLICATION INCLUDES FOUR TRACKS, TRACKS ONE AND TWO ARE FOR MIXED USE BUILDINGS AND HAVE A RESIDENTIAL UNIT CAP OF 120. AND THAT'S COMBINED BETWEEN [01:15:01] THOSE TWO TRACKS. TRACK THREE ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSES WITH A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS OF 569. TRACK FOUR IS VERY SMALL, UM, NEAR THE CORNER OF AIR DEPOT AND COFFEE CREEK ALLOWS, UM, ONE USE, WHICH WILL EITHER BE OFFICE, RETAIL OR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY AND IN AN ATTEMPT TO CLARIFY THE CITY'S POLICY ON THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ALONG I 35 GENERALLY, AND IN THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY, I THINK IT MIGHT PROVIDE SOME COMFORT TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE HOW WE ARRIVED HERE FOR AT LEAST 25 YEARS. EDMOND'S COMPREHENSIVE PLANS HAVE FORECASTED THIS AREA TO HAVE NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS, AND PREFERABLY A MIX OF USES DEVELOPED MORE INTENSELY THAN IN OTHER SUBURBAN AREAS. INFORMED BY THE COMMUNITY VISIONING PROJECT. TOMORROW'S EDMOND EDMOND PLAN THREE ADOPTED IN 1999, DESIGNATED THIS AREA LIMITED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND BUSINESS PARK. EDMOND PLAN FOUR ADOPTED IN 2007, MIGRATED THE DESIGNATION AND DESCRIPTION TO AN URBAN MIXED USE BUSINESS PARK WITH RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES OF 12 UNITS PER ACRE AND HIGH INTENSITY RETAIL OFFICE AND BUSINESS PARKS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THE CURRENT EDMOND PLAN ADOPTED IN 2019 REFLECTS THIS SAME PATTERN AND MERELY SIMPLIFIED THE NOMENCLATURE OPTING FOR THE TERM MIXED USE CAMPUS, THE RESIDENTIAL SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN IN PLAN FOUR, USING A CRITERION OF GREATER THAN EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE IN AN ATTEMPT TO BOTH PROVIDE A SMOOTHER TRANSITION AND TO MORE CLEARLY ACCOMMODATE EMPLOYMENT AND RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES. THANK YOU FOR THE CHANCE TO PAINT A PICTURE OF HOW THAT CITY'S LONG RANGE PLANNING FUNCTION INTERSECTS WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY. I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? NO. OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AT THIS TIME? MY NAME'S DAVID JONES WITH THE ORION GROUP. SIR, YOU BREAK IT DOWN SO WE CAN, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU. OKAY. OKAY, I'LL TRY TO GET CLOSER. I'M DAVID JONES WITH THE ORION GROUP. UM, WE WERE HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK, UM, WITH THE SAME PRESENTATION, THE, THE SAME PROJECT. THE, UH, REQUEST FROM THE COUNCIL WAS THAT WE, UM, DELAY AND, UH, POSTPONED FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS WHILE WE HAD AND HELD SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH, UH, ALL INTERESTED PARTIES THAT HAS BEEN, UH, PERFORMED AND TAKEN CARE OF. MR. LAMBETH HAD THREE OPEN INVITATION MEETINGS, UM, FOR VARIOUS, UM, AND ALL INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS TO ATTEND. HE'S ALSO HAD MULTIPLE, UM, ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH PEOPLE THAT FOLLOWED UP AFTERWARDS, OR THE PEOPLE THAT HE FOLLOWED UP WITH AFTERWARDS. ALSO, THE INTENT WAS TO ADDRESS SOME, UH, CONFUSION OR SOME MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT SOME OF THE COMPONENTS AND SOME OF THE OFFERINGS ON THE PROJECT. I THINK KEN, UM, DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT, UH, WHAT IS, UM, THE CITY'S POSITION AS FAR AS WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS AREA, WHAT THE POTENTIAL HAS BEEN SEEN AS SINCE THE LATE 1990S. AND SO WE ARE JUST HERE, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, PURE AND SIMPLY ON A ZONING ACTION. UM, SITE PLAN HAS A, A FUTURE ELEMENT TO IT. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHAT IS ANTICIPATED, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, SITE PLAN WILL DICTATE THE ACTUAL FINAL LAYOUT. SO THOSE QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT POPPED UP MOST, UH, DURING THE MEETINGS HAD A LOT TO DO WITH, UM, COMMON AREAS AND, UH, THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, UH, YOU CAN SEE IN THE CENTER OF THE PROJECT. THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS, WELL, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT, UH, SITE PLAN WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. SO SOME OF, SOME OF THE ITEMS OF CONCERN WERE COMMON AREA PLAYGROUND AREAS, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN REPRESENTED HERE. IT'S ALWAYS EXISTED FROM THE BEGINNING. UM, OBVIOUSLY DRAINAGE IS A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION FOR THIS AREA. SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IN THE PRELIMINARY PHASES, NOT SITE PLAN, BUT IN THE PRELIMINARY PHASES, DETENTION ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED HERE ALSO HERE THAT WILL REGULATE THE FLOW THAT GOES INTO COFFEE CREEK TO A LEVEL, AT LEAST PRE-DEVELOPMENT LEVEL AND POTENTIALLY EVEN LOWER. SO WE COULD ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE FLOW THAT'S SEEN OFF THIS SITE AFTER DEVELOPMENT OCCURS. A THIRD BASIN IS HERE, WHICH WILL ALSO MANAGE FLOW OUT OF THIS QUADRANT OF THE PROJECT. SO THE EXPECTATION OF DAMAGE DOWNSTREAM, UM, TWOFOLD, WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT. BUT SECONDLY, IN THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THE CITY WILL HAVE THEIR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND STORMWATER [01:20:01] DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE A VERY, UM, LONG LOOK AT THE, UH, DESIGN, UH, BASED UPON THE ENGINEER THAT DOES WIND UP DESIGNING THAT. AND, UH, WE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE OR KICK OFF ANY ADDITIONAL WATER INTO THE, UH, EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM. SO WE SHOULD, AND IT WILL ELIMINATE ANY CONCERN DOWNSTREAM OF EITHER, UM, TAIL WATERS OR HEADWATERS BACKING UP FLOWING FASTER OR DOING MORE DAMAGE ALONG THOSE LINES. WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, TRAIL EASEMENT, UM, THAT IS PROJECTED TO BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY ALONG, UM, OUR TREE PRESERVATION AREA COMING THROUGH HERE AND TO CONNECTING FROM I 35 CORRIDOR TO AIR DEPOT. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK THAT MOSTLY CAME UP IN THE MEETINGS. THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME MORE DISCUSSION, UH, FROM THE CITIZENS THIS EVENING AND SOME OTHER QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. BUT WE TRIED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, LIKE WE SAID IN THE THREE MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD PUBLICLY, AND THEN WITH ANY INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES THAT WERE PROVIDED BASED UPON DIRECT CALLS THAT WAS RECEIVED BY MR. LAMBETH. SO TO BE CLEAR, THERE'D BE A SITE PLAN ON JUST THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THIS, NOT THE RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD BE PLANTED. YES, SIR. SO WHEN YOU TALK OF SITE PLAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THIS COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE? RESIDENTIAL, OKAY. WALK ME THROUGH THAT. THAT'S GONNA BE PLATTED AND WE'RE APPROVING THE, THERE'S A PD BEFORE US TONIGHT. YEAH, TONIGHT IS THE ZONING. WE DO HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT. UH, YOU HAVE A PUD, UH, THAT'S BEEN FILED. IT'S TONIGHT THE PUD. YEP. SO WE HAVE A, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT'S BEEN FILED. I KNOW, UM, THERE MIGHT BE THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME CONVERSATION THIS EVENING, UM, ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS AND DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN. DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE, BUT THAT BEING SAID, YEAH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SITE PLAN FOR BOTH, UH, COMMERCIAL FOR INDIVIDUAL LOTS WHEN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OCCURS. AND THEN ALSO THE RESIDENTIAL WILL HAVE ITS OWN SITE PLAN APPROVAL. I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. LET'S ASK THE CITY PLANNER. WOULD THERE BE A SITE PLAN FOR RESIDENTIAL OR JUST A PLAT? SO FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WE TYPICALLY DON'T SEE SITE PLANS. IT'S NOT PART OF THE REQUIREMENT. OKAY. SO THAT IS ALL HANDLED WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLATING PROCESS. THE, UH, UTILITIES EXTENSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE ALSO COMES THROUGH ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE PLAN REVIEW ON THE RESIDENTIAL. YOU AGREE WITH THAT, BRIAN? WE'VE DONE IT SEVERAL PLACES. UM, YEAH, I CAN SEE A SITUATION WHERE IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT. IF THE UTILITY SYSTEM ALL NEEDS TO BE LIKE BUILT OUT ALL AT ONE TIME, WE MIGHT SEE IT IN SITE PLAN BECAUSE I, THE WAY I TOOK IT FROM THE LAST MEETING, THE, THE ONLY, THE SITE PLAN WAS ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL. AND THEN AS COUNCILMAN MOORE SAID THAT THE RESIDENTIAL WAS GONNA BE PLATTED AND OUR CHANCES OF ANY INTERFACE WITH THIS PROJECT WAS STARTING TO DIMINISH. SO, UH, I SITE SITE PLAN ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR PUBLIC STREETS, FOR UTILITIES, FOR STORM WATER. THERE IS A SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL MR. LAWRENCE CAN ADDRESS TO THAT. I DON'T THINK HE WANTS TO. YEAH, I DON'T, I I DON'T THINK WE WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN ON THE ON TRACK THREE. SO THE PRELIMINARY PLA WE'LL HANDLE ALL THAT WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT STREET LAY OUT, BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONLY. RIGHT. ASSUMING IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY VARIANCE, ANY VARIANCES, RIGHT? NO PRIVATE STREETS. IT'S PRIVATE AND IT'S PUBLIC STREETS, BUT IT IS A PD. OKAY. WITH THE PUD, NOT BRING IT BACK TO US. WELL, I MEAN YOU CAN ASK MR. BRIAN, BUT I THINK THAT THE SITE PLANS FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND THERE'S PLA FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND MR. JONES IS INDICATING THERE'S A SITE PLAN FOR STREETS AND ELECTRICITY AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. WATER, SEWER, BUT PUBLIC STREETS. BUT TONIGHT, YES. ZONING. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THE PUDS WHAT IT IS. YES. YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT THE NEXT TIME WE SEE IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME. ONLY IF THERE'S CONVERSATION TO DO SO THIS EVENING. AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION FOR THREE WEEKS. YES, SIR. SOME, YES. LOTS OF CHATTING, NO AGREEMENTS ON ANYTHING? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. NO, SIR. THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. NO, NO. [01:25:03] SO, UM, SOMEBODY TALKING YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, I I HEARD SOMETHING OVER HERE, BUT I, I DIDN'T, MY SENSORS DIDN'T PICK IT UP, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING CAME, SOME SOUND CAME FROM OVER ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM. IT WAS TWO DISTINCT NOS. OKAY. UM, SO THAT'S, SO COUNSEL, WHAT WE'RE HERE ON AND WITH THE APPLICANT IS THAT, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONCERN ABOUT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR THE REZONING FOR , BUT IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD APPLICATIONS UP HERE BEFORE. WE, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE IT MULTIPLE TIMES AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT THIS APPLICATION HAS THE POTENTIAL BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, UH, THAT AFTER A REZONING REQUEST, IF IT WAS REPRO APPROVED, THAT ALL WE WOULD SEE IS THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT. THERE IS A POTENTIAL 50 50 CHANCE. I WANNA SAY THAT IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US. THE RESIDENTIAL, IF THERE'S NO, UH, THERE ARE NO VARIANCES WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING. I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THOSE ODDS ARE A LITTLE HIGH. I DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE IT. TO CLARIFY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T TAKE VARIANCES FOR SITE PLANS ON PUDS. IF THEY NEED TO CHANGE SOMETHING DRASTICALLY ENOUGH THAT IT NEEDS A VARIANCE, THEY NEED TO COME AND AMEND THEIR PUD. SO THAT'D BE THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNSEL. AND IN YOUR TENURE WHEN IT WAS AT A PUD BEEN AMENDED, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT. NO. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REST OF THE STORY ON THIS SCENARIO HERE. UM, SO JUST TO KEEP THE PROCESS GOING ON AND KEEP THE DISCUSSION GOING ON. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD AT THIS TIME? I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE, UM, WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, EDMOND MASTER PLAN AND ITS MODIFICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND WHAT THIS INTENT FOR THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN SINCE THE EARLY NINETIES. AND THAT WAS WHAT WE BELIEVE WE ARE PROVIDING HERE IN THE MOST PART. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MIXED USE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN EAST STATEMENT. GREAT. MR. MAYOR, UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS, MAY I, WE HAVE A BRIEF RECESS? SURE. SIR. IF WE, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE OR REQUEST A, UH, MOTION TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE'RE ON RECESS FOR COME OUTTA RECESS. I'D MAKE A MOTION TO COME OUTTA RECESS. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND TO COME OUTTA RECESS. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE'RE BACK IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE HAD OUR RECESS. MR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'VE, SINCE THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PART OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING, PART OF OUR, UH, THIS APPLICATION, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING? ANY COM PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS, UH, REZONING APPLICATION? UH, IT SEEMS LIKE, SINCE Y'ALL ARE SITTING OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU PROBABLY ALL HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS, I WANNA HELP YOU OUT HERE. IF YOU HEAR THE SAME THING A COUPLE OF TIMES UP HERE, WE DON'T NEED ALL 20 OF YOU ALL COMING UP HERE AND SAYING THE SAME THING, JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T ADD TO OUR KNOWLEDGE RETENTION. WE, WHEN ONE PERSON SAYS IT, WE KNOW THAT. SO IF YOU HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE, THAT'S GOOD. IF NOT, UH, WE, WE, I WOULD LIKE FOR WHOEVER'S GONNA COME FIRST, UH, RAISE THEIR HAND, COME DOWN HERE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN WE'LL START HAVING CONVERSATION UNLESS THERE'S NOBODY OVER HERE WHO WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING. YES, SIR. IN THE BACK, PLEASE COME DOWN. STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE AND, AND YOUR ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MY NAME IS MARK KERT. I LIVE AT 7 7 7 7 EAST COFFEE CREEK ROAD. UH, I'M HERE, UH, ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT ABOUT ALL OF EAST EDMOND UH, VOICED THIS CONCERN BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, [01:30:02] APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS AGO OR SO BEFORE ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN ON DOUGLAS, UH, AROUND THE CO DOUGLAS COFFEE CREEK CAVALE AREA. AND THAT IS THAT THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IN EAST EDMOND HAS NOT CHANGED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. IT'S STILL THE MAIN ROADS. THEY STILL HAVE FOUR WAY STOPS AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO FOUR LANE ROADS. IT'S JUST TOO LATE. IF I GO TO WORK, IF I TRY TO GO SOMEWHERE AND LEAVE MY HOUSE AND TRY TO GO, LET'S SAY TO DOWNTOWN EDMUND, OR IF I WANNA GO TO OKLAHOMA CITY AND I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION AT COVEL AND AIR DEPOT, IT'S A FIVE TO 10 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION. IT IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. AND YOU CAN TRY OTHER ROUTES. YOU CAN TRY GOING ALL THE WAY STRAIGHT DOWN ON MIDWEST BOULEVARD OR AIR, AIR DEPOT UNTIL YOU GET TO SECOND STREET. GOOD LUCK GETTING ON THERE AT THAT TIME OF THE MORNING. SO I'M NOT AGAINST GROVE. I LOVE EDMOND. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1990. IT'S GREAT TOWN. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE ALL OF THIS CONSTRUCTION, ALL OF THIS INCREASE IN DENSITY, BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST BEFORE YOU ALLOW ALL OF THE DENSITY SO WE DON'T HAVE THE, UH, A THE CONGESTION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. YES, SIR. MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME'S LARRY PURDUE. I, UH, LIVE AT 76 20 SARAH HILL ROAD IN EDMOND, OKLAHOMA. BEEN HERE 53 YEARS. IT WAS 19,000 PEOPLE WHEN I MOVED HERE. THE GOAL HAS BEEN TO KEEP EDMOND THE JEWEL. THIS GENTLEMAN'S RIGHT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE THIS STARTED. I'VE ASKED A QUESTION AT THE LAST MEETING SATURDAY, A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I DIDN'T GET ANSWERS TO. I GOT A LOT OF DANCING AROUND, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT HAS THERE BEEN AN ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHAT WE'RE GIVING UP VERSUS WHAT WE'RE GETTING. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT TAX DOLLARS, RIGHT? EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT TRAFFIC. WE SHOULD HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE SOMETHING OF THIS DENSITY GOES IN. WE SHOULD HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE ALL THESE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS WERE APPROVED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGE A ZONING ONCE THE ZONING HAS CHANGED, THE DOOR'S OPEN. I KNOW I, I, I HAVE DEVELOPED HERE IN EDMOND, SO I'VE BEEN A THORN IN THE CITY COUNCIL SIDE FOR A LONG TIME ON MANY ISSUES. I JUST KIND OF STAY IN THE BACK. BUT I ASKED ABOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY. GOT TWO ANSWERS FROM THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE. ONE, WE CAN'T DIVULGE IT. THE SECOND ANSWER WAS, SECOND ANSWER WAS IT HADN'T BEEN COMPLETED. IF THESE STUDIES HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETED AND THE COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS TO DEAL WITH, HOW CAN YOU MAKE AN INFORMED, INTELLIGENT DECISION? THIS AFFECTS ALL OF EAST EDMOND. CAN I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS? HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE BETWEEN SECOND STREET COUNTY LINE, THE OKLAHOMA AND GUTHRIE COUNTY LINE I 35 TO LET'S SAY POST? HOW MANY OF HOW MANY? ONE OKAY. . OKAY. SO BASICALLY THIS IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT ANY OF YOU, RIGHT? OH, ARE YOU TALKING WEST? I'M TALKING THE COUNCIL. UHHUH . I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT WHO THESE PEOPLE. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT WHICH ONE OF US LIVED EAST OF I 35. OF I 35. YES. I I GAVE YOU THE PARAMETERS. OKAY. THAT USED TO BE ALL THAT 49 SQUARE MILES OUT THERE WAS ALL OKLAHOMA CITY SCHOOLS, MYSELF AND TWO OTHER COUPLE BROUGHT SUIT AGAINST THE OKLAHOMA CITY SCHOOL BOARD TO HAVE IT BROUGHT TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE AND HAVE IT DE ANNEXED SO THAT EVERYBODY COULD GO TO SCHOOL CLOSE TO THEIR HOME INSTEAD OF HAVING TO RIDE THE BUS. HOUR AND A HALF IN THE MORNING, AN HOUR AND A HALF AT NIGHT. WE PAID TO SEND OUR CHILDREN. WE WERE FORTUNATE. WE WERE, I'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN WHAT I DO, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO SEND OUR KIDS TO OKLAHOMA CHRISTIAN SCHOOL, WHICH WE SUPPORTED HANDSOMELY FOR MANY YEAR, UH, KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12. WHEN THAT CHANGED, IT CHANGED THE WHOLE COMPLEXION OF EAST EDMOND. AND SO EACH DEVELOPER COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO GET SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER. THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, [01:35:02] I WOULD BE STANDING HERE AND TOUCHING THIS HOUSE AND TOUCHING THIS HOUSE. THAT'S, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT FIVE FEET. I'M A I'M A FIVE. I'M FIVE SOMETHING, BUT I CAN TOUCH THIS HOUSE AND THIS HOUSE WITH FIVE FOOT BETWEEN THE STRUCTURES 30 FEET WIDE LOT. HOW YOU GONNA GET A DOUBLE CAR GARAGE IN THERE? HAS THE FIRE MARSHAL APPROVED THIS OR DOES IT EVEN GO, IT CHANGE THE ZONING. ONCE THE ZONING'S CHANGED, THEN ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. AND I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT BECAUSE I'VE REZONED REFLATED LOST FOREST FOUR TIMES TO SATISFY THE CITY OF EDMOND. NUMBER ONE WAS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY NEEDED A STRUCTURE, I MEAN, A CUL-DE-SAC, LARGE ENOUGH TO GET THE, THEIR BIG FIRE TRUCKS. I HAD A, A GRANDFATHERED IN GATE. WELL, I CHANGED THE WHOLE FRONTAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF HOW MANY HAVE BEEN BY THERE OR NOT, BUT EDMOND, THE QUALITY OF EDMOND, IN MY OPINION, HAS GONE DOWNHILL. YOU CAN GET FROM DANFORTH MIDWEST BOULEVARD TO GUTHRIE QUICKER THAN I CAN GET TO MY OFFICE AT 15TH BETWEEN BRIAN COLTRANE AT TURTLE CREEK. THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOTTA MAKE A DECISION. BUT HOW DO YOU MAKE THE DECISION UNLESS YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS? WHERE'S THE TRAFFIC STUDY ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY STUDY? EVERYBODY WANTS IT REZONED, BUT ONCE IT'S REZONED, THERE'S NO GOING BACK. I THINK I'VE SEEN THAT A DOZEN TIMES. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THAT THEY GET ALL THE DETAILS. BECAUSE AT THE MEETING THAT I WAS AT SATURDAY MORNING, WE COULDN'T GET ANY DETAILS. IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? JUST, JUST, JUST ADDRESS US, COUNSEL. I'M SORRY. I'M, I'M NOT, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO A COUNCIL MEETING IN A LONG TIME. SO ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, DOES THE FIRE MARSHALS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING ZONING? UH, I WANT ASK STAFF, WHEN DOES THE FIRE MARSHAL ACTUALLY GET INTO THE ACTUAL REVIEW PROCESS? UH, FIRE REVIEWS FOR AT THE PLATTING STAGE. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES? I ASK STAFF ALSO PLATTING. SO ONCE IT'S REZONED, THEN ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. NO, NO. THERE'S GONNA BE DISCUSSION ABSOLUTELY, UH, AT, AT THE PLATTING STAGE. BUT THERE, THERE, THERE, IS THERE SAGE CONVERSATION THAT DOES HAPPEN AT THE REZONING TO, TO SEE WHAT ITEMS WILL BE, WHAT NEED ITEMS NEED TO BE DISCUSSED NOW DURING THE REZONING PROCESS? OR CAN ARE MORE APPLICABLE FOR LATER CONVERSATIONS? WELL, YOU'RE IMPORTANT PEOPLE UP HERE. YOU MAKE A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT AFFECTS A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES. AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU GET ALL OF YOUR CARDS THAT YOU'RE PLAYING WITH AND GET ALL THE FACTS AND ALL THE STUDIES AND EVERYTHING DONE BEFORE YOU EVEN REZONE IT. SO WE DON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS, WORSE GOING DOWN THE ROAD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE IN THE, EXCUSE ME? ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT I JUST SAID? YES, SIR. IN THE Y CAP? HI, MY NAME'S UH, ADAM LEE. I LIVE AT 1300 LEEWOOD HERE IN EDMOND. UM, MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. UM, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY HERE. I JUST TALKED TO BARRY ACTUALLY ON THE PHONE FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY. HI, BARRY. I GUESS I KNOW YOU THE BEST. UM, I WATCHED THE CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY TALKED TWICE, . THAT'S TRUE. WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT TALKING LAST WEEK, AND THEN WE TALKED, WE TALKED NOW. UM, UH, YES, I WATCHED A RECORDING OF CITY COUNCIL MEETING LAST MONTH. UM, IT'S KIND OF A LONG STORY WHY I WAS WATCHING THAT, BUT, UM, SAW KIND OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND, AND WANTED TO COME HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK PROJECTS LIKE THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, I RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS FOR COMING HERE. AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT, UM, EVERYBODY HAS A FORUM TO COME EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS. UM, I THINK PROJECTS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THE BENEFITS, UM, ACCRUE TO PEOPLE THAT WOULDN'T KNOW TO BE IN THE ROOM TONIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T LOOK FOR HOUSES AT THE PLANT STAGE OR DEVELOP. I'M BLURRING ALL THESE TERMS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY. UM, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY FOR MYSELF, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRE REVIEW OR ANY OF THE OTHER, OTHER KIND OF TECHNICAL STUFF INVOLVED. BUT I LIVE, LIKE I SAID, AT 1300 LEEWOOD. SO IT'S OVER AT KIND OF NEAR SOONER IN DANFORTH. UM, MY WIFE AND I LOOKED FOR [01:40:01] A HOUSE HERE IN EDMOND FOR ALMOST A COUPLE YEARS. WE WERE LOOKING AND THEN WE STOPPED LOOKING, AND THEN WE WERE LOOKING AGAIN. AND, UM, I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, I, I EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF NEW HOUSING COMING ONLINE. I, IN WHAT I KIND OF HEARD LAST TIME, THERE WAS A MEETING, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF UNITS. UM, I, I'D LOVE TO SEE AS MANY UNITS THAT CAN BE KIND OF SAFELY PRODUCED AND, AND COME ON TO THE MARKET HERE IN EDMOND, ESPECIALLY NEAR 35. UM, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR KIDS ARE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BED RIGHT NOW, IT'S PAST TIME, AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, COMING UP HERE TO CITY COUNCIL THAT TALK GUYS, YOU ARE OFF ABOUT, UM, THE KIND OF HYPOTHETICAL BENEFITS OF THEIR FUTURE HOUSING SITUATION. UM, SO ANYWAYS, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. MY KIDS WOULD BE GOING TO SCHOOL WITH THESE KIDS. UM, IF, YOU KNOW, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS APPROVED AND, AND KIDS GREW UP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I THINK MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL, UM, MAYBE GONNA THE SAME MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. I, I BELIEVE THAT EDMOND WOULD BE ABLE TO RISE TO THE OCCASION TO EDUCATE MY KIDS ALONG WITH KIDS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, I, I SAW THIS MEETING AND, AND WANTED TO COME KIND OF, I THINK COMMENT FOR THE MAYBE MORE DIFFUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND RESIDENTS OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BENEFIT FROM THIS, BUT MAYBE DON'T KNOW TO COME SHOW UP HERE AND ASK THEIR WIFE, UH, MAYBE FOOLISHLY TO, UH, UH, WATCH THE KID ALONE IN ISO SO YOU COULD COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND TALK ABOUT SOME HYPOTHETICAL BUILDING PROJECT. UM, SO ANYWAYS, UH, UH, HOPE YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER APPROVING IT. AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY HERE IN IN PARTICULAR, BUT, UM, WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE THINGS GET BUILT IN THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS BECOMING POLITICIANS OR ALL KINDS OF HOOPS. UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SOME STUFF HAS TO COME BEFORE YOU GUYS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST LOVE TO LOVE TO SEE STUFF KIND OF GET BUILT IN A PREDICTABLE AND SAFE MANNER WITH, WITH KIND OF CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT RULES AND MORE HOUSING COME ONLINE FOR, UM, GROWING FAMILIES LIKE MINE. THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? YES, SIR. YOU, UH, MY NAME'S BOYD ELLIOT. I THINK I'VE GOT UP LAST, LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND TALKED, UH, I, MY ADDRESS IS 53 12 CANNAN CREEK ROAD. I'M JUST TO THE NORTH OF THIS, UH, BUD DEVELOPMENT. AND, UH, WE ALL IN CANAAN CREEK FARMS, WHICH IS JUST TO THE NORTH ACROSS THE ROAD THERE. I THINK THERE'S 27 LOTS, TWO ACRES OR MAYBE UP TO THREE ACRES ON SOME, UH, GOT A CERTAIN WAY OF LIFE OUT THERE. UM, THIS PROPOSED URBAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, THESE ARE VERY, VERY, VERY SMALL LOTS, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN MR. PERDUE TALKED ABOUT, UH, 30 FOOT, LOT SIZE FIVE FOOT SETBACKS ON EITHER SIDE THAT MAKES A 20 FOOT WIDE HOME. ALL OF THEM WILL BE DOUBLE TWO STORY. UH, IT'S HARD FOR ME OR ANYONE TO REALLY VISUALIZE WHERE THE PEOPLE WILL PUT THEIR VEHICLES HERE OTHER THAN IN THE STREETS. UH, AND WE KNOW HOW THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT VERY WELL A LOT, UH, WITH, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT POLICE AND, AND OTHER JUST REGULAR GARBAGE TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER. UH, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN AT THESE, UH, THREE MEETINGS WE HAD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE DEVELOPER, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING OUT AND, AND AT LEAST FILL US IN WHAT YOU COULD, UM, MAINLY CONCERNED WAS, UH, THE LOT SIZES, MEANING THE NUMBER OF HOMES AND NUMBER OF, OF PE PEOPLE THAT COULD BE BROUGHT INTO THIS SMALL AREA. UH, ALSO TRAFFIC, WHICH ONCE IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED BEFORE, IT'S A TWO LANE SITUATION. THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN TURN LANES AND, UH, ACCESS LANES OR ACCELERATION LANES, I GUESS, IN FRONT OF, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT. UH, BUT OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS WERE, WERE THAT THE TRAFFIC AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE GONNA BE PUT IN A SMALL AREA WHEN THERE'S, UH, WELL, LET'S SAY THERE'S 590 OR THEREABOUTS LOTS THERE, THAT'S GONNA BRING IN PROBABLY 1200, MAYBE A THOUSAND VEHICLES INTO THAT AREA, EIGHT O'CLOCK OR SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING, FOUR 30 IN THE AFTERNOON. IT'S GONNA BE A ZOO OUT THERE. AND WITHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, I, I CAN FULLY AGREE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE PLANNED AND PUT INTO PLACE BEFORE THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND THE ZONINGS LOOKS LIKE BE PUT INTO EFFECT. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL KINDS OF CONTROVERSIES ABOUT THIS OF ONGOING IF THIS DOESN'T, UH, HAPPEN. UM, THE, UH, I THINK THIS FOR ANOTHER POINT OF INTEREST IS THIS IS THE SMALLEST DEVELOPMENT TO MY KNOWLEDGE IN THE TOWN OF CITY OF EDMOND IN THE REGION. [01:45:01] IF I, IF I'VE, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING, TRIED TO LOOK AND YOU CAN'T FIND ANY THAT REALLY MEET THIS CRITERIA, UM, JUST, JUST, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T FIT IN. THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT FIT IN TO THE AREA THAT IT'S BEING PUSHED INTO. AND, UH, THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN THAT RAISED THEIR HAND, UH, I, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO SAY. YES. COME ON DOWN. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH SOMETHING. TELL YOUR NAME, YOUR NAME, PLEASE. SCOTT HILL. I'M AT 5 4 0 9 CANTON CREEK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON WHAT A PREVIOUS GENTLEMAN MENTIONED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU KNOW, THERE'S HOMES THAT THIS EXACT SIZE, I THINK THEY'RE CALLED THE LINKS DOWN BY THE RAIL YARD IN EDMOND. THEY'RE 450 TO $500,000. DOESN'T SOUND AFFORDABLE. NOW, THESE MIGHT BE CHEAPER THAN THAT. WE'RE TALKING THREE 50 TO 400 BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE SO MUCH SMALL THAT STILL DOESN'T SOUND VERY AFFORDABLE FOR WHAT WE WERE TOLD. PEOPLE THAT WORK AT CREST, PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE SHOWBIZ, PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE HOTELS, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA LIVE. SINGLE, UH, WHITE FEMALES OR WHATEVER IT WAS TOLD TO US IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS. YOU KNOW, IT, THE DEMOGRAPHIC DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE. SO I DO THINK THAT THE FACTS NEED TO COME FORWARD BEFORE WE MAKE A ZONING DECISION. I KNOW THAT FURTHER DISCUSSIONS CAN BE HAD ON WHAT ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE, WHETHER THIS MAYBE BECOMES A TOTAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR WHAT THERE ARE WIGGLE ROOMS. BUT I DO BELIEVE, AS SAID BEFORE, ONCE WE APPROVE THIS PUD IT GETS HARDER AND HARDER FOR US TO KEEP WHAT WE ARE USED TO AS WHAT'S CALLED EAST EDMOND. THIS IS NOTHING LIKE EAST EDMOND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? YES, SIR. IN THE BLUE JACKET, THEN THE MA'AM IN THE ORANGE SHIRT. YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. YES, MAYOR LLOYD MCALLISTER. UH, MY WIFE CARLA AND I LIVE AT 5,500 NEW CANAAN ROAD, WHICH IS IN CANAAN CREEK FARMS, THE ADDITION TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPOSED PUD REZONING. UH, WE'VE BEEN PROUD AND HAPPY EDMOND RESIDENCE FOR OVER 40 YEARS. UH, WE'VE LIVED IN EDMOND, OF COURSE, AS I SAID, WE'VE WORKED HERE. OUR KIDS HAVE BEEN EDUCATED HERE. UM, WE'VE LIVED IN CANAAN CREEK FARMS FOR OVER 30 OF THE 40 PLUS YEARS. UM, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH OUR CITY COUNCIL. UH, I DON'T MEAN TO BE PATRONIZING, BUT I'VE THOUGHT THAT FOR 40 YEARS, UH, THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS, AS MANY OF US HAVE DESCRIBED IT, UH, IDYLLIC TO US IN A LOT OF WAYS. UH, WE WOULDN'T CHOOSE TO LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE. AND I DO GIVE THAT CREDIT TO OUR CITY LEADERS, UH, AND YOU ARE THOSE MEN AND WOMEN AT PRESENT, SO APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I THINK CONCEPTUALLY, UH, I GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE EAST FORT PUD, THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MASTER DESIGN STATEMENT. AND THERE'S A COMMENT, THERE'S AN ATTACHMENT A NINE PAGE ATTACHMENT, UM, TO THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, TONIGHT. AND THERE'S THIS SENTENCE IN IT, THIS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WILL BE IN HARMONY TO EXISTING NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. AND I'LL JUST SAY, I MEAN, I KNOW I'M DRAWING A TIGHT FOCUS THERE, BUT THAT IT COULDN'T BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT'S NOT IN HARMONY WITH ANY OF THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT, UM, OR PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT I'M AWARE OF. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S CONCEPTUALLY A, AN ISSUE. UM, NOW I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT. SO, UH, I THINK WE GO BACK TO THE PROCESS THAT YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO ALLOW US AND THE DEVELOPER TO GO THROUGH THESE PAST COUPLE WEEKS. UH, I THINK THAT'S BENEFICIAL. UH, I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT COME BEFORE YOU. HOPEFULLY THE CITIZENS AND DEVELOPERS AND SO FORTH, UH, DO THEIR WORK, ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES, AND THEN WHEN WE COME BEFORE YOU WE'RE ABLE TO, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD PRESENT AN AGREEMENT, BUT AT LEAST MAYBE WE'VE HONED SOME OF THE, OF THE ISSUES FOR YOU. AND SO I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS. I THINK THE PROCESS HAS BEEN GOOD. I'VE BEEN AT ALL THREE OF THOSE MEETINGS. UH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S BORNE THE FRUIT THAT IT NEEDS TO BEAR IN ORDER FOR US TO [01:50:01] HELP OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MAKE REASONED UH, DECISIONS GOING FORWARD. I THINK IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DECISION. AND I'M TELLING, PREACHING THE CHOIR THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE GOODWILL OF THE DEVELOPER. I DO KNOW DAVID LAMBETH AND I BELIEVE HE'S A MAN OF INTEGRITY AND GOODWILL. AND SO I THINK CONTINUED, UH, TIME SPENT WORKING ON THIS BY MEN AND WOMEN OF GOODWILL WOULD BEAR FRUIT THAT WOULD BE OF BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE ULTIMATE DECISION. AND TO THE, TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL, I THINK WE OWE IT TO YOU TO DO OUR HOMEWORK. UM, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, HAS BEEN MENTIONED, AND I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU'RE SURPRISED BY THIS. 'CAUSE YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE, THE MAP THAT'S BEFORE US THERE AND THE DENSITY JUST SLAPS YOU IN THE FACE. UM, NOW I DON'T SAY THAT TO SAY THAT MORE COMMUNICATION COULDN'T HELP US RESOLVE THIS. HOW CAN THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY DEVELOP IT IN A WAY THAT HOPEFULLY IS ESSENTIALLY A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY, FOR OUR COMMUNITY? UM, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR GOAL. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE MEN AND WOMEN ON THE COUNCIL DESIRE THAT, THAT IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THOSE THAT LIVE CLOSE, THOSE THAT LIVE AWAY THE DEVELOPER. UM, SO, UH, ONE OF MY REQUESTS IS THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER, AGAIN, AND I I GET IT, THAT PROCESS WISE, UH, DEFERRING THINGS, UH, IS SORT OF A BAD WORD. IT'S KINDA LIKE WE'RE NOT MAKING PROGRESS, BUT AS HAS ALREADY BEEN BEFORE THE COUNCIL EARLIER THIS EVENING, UM, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE TIME THE COUNCIL TOOK WITH THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT FOR A VARIANCE AND JUST TRYING TO GET ALL THE RELEVANT INFORMATION ON THE TABLE IN ORDER FOR THE FINAL DECISION THAT, THAT YOU MAKE TO BE THE RIGHT ONE. AND, AND RIGHT, BECAUSE ALL THE INFORMATION WAS IN FRONT OF YOU AND IT WAS WELL REASONED. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO HERE. I THINK WE AREN'T THERE YET. UM, AND I, AND I, I DON'T SUGGEST I'M SPEAKING FOR CARLA AND ME AND OUR FAMILY, I DON'T PROPOSE TO SPEAK FOR OTHERS. AND I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE AND ONE ALL OR NOTHING. UH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S HOW EDMOND HAS GOTTEN TO WHERE WE'RE AT IS ALL OR NOTHING THINKING. UH, SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT DENSITY, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT FLOW FROM THAT DENSITY. I THINK I'VE HAD SOME PRETTY REASONABLE QUESTIONS MYSELF, AND I'M STILL NOT SATISFIED THAT I GOT THE RELEVANT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME ABOUT TRAFFIC AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES. UM, SO I JUST THINK WE'RE GETTING THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE. AND AGAIN, I RESPECT THE FACT THAT DEVELOPERS ARE LOSING MONEY BY THE DAY AND DON'T WANT DELAYS. UM, I WOULD SAY, UM, ONE THING TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, AND I THINK I'M ACCURATE IN WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, I DON'T THINK MR. JONES WAS AT ANY OF THE THREE MEETINGS. IF HE WAS, HE DIDN'T INTRODUCE HIMSELF OR THAT WAS NOT OKAY, UH, YET HE PURPORTED TO TELL YOU WHAT THE ITEMS OF EMPHASIS WERE AT THOSE MEETINGS. AND HAVING BEEN AT ALL THREE MEETINGS, I WILL SAY, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE UGLY OR CONTENTIOUS, BUT I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO BE STRAIGHT, HE REFERRED TO TWO ITEMS, DISCUSSION OF COMMON AREAS AND DISCUSSION OF DRAINAGE AND DETENTION. I DON'T DOUBT THAT THOSE MAY HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP DURING THOSE THREE MEETINGS. THOSE WEREN'T ANYWHERE AT THE LIST OF THE TOP, UH, OF HOMEOWNER QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. UH, AND I THINK YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE ARE FROM WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID BEFORE ME. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S AN UNFAIR REPRESENTATION OF, OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT WE AS HOMEOWNERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. UM, I, UM, I THINK IT WOULD HELP OUR PROCESS IF THE COUNCIL WERE INCLINED TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME TO WORK ON THIS, THAT TOWARDS THAT WIN-WIN THAT MAY BE OUT THERE, UH, IF SOME OTHER STAKEHOLDERS COULD BE INVITED INTO THE PROCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THAT HAPPENS, IF EVER, BUT, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, ANYBODY FROM THE CITY EITHER THERE JUST TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION OR THERE TO PARTICIPATE. AND AS IS TRUE WITH YOUR DELIBERATIONS, UH, LET'S, IS IT KEN? UH, I APOLOGIZE THE CITY STAFF ANYWAY, UH, I I KNOW THAT YOU QUITE REASONABLY RELY ON THE CITY STAFF FOR A LOT OF INFORMATION TO MAKE YOUR DECISIONS. AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DEVELOPER, UH, GO BACK TO, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. SOMEBODY [01:55:01] PROBABLY KNOWS THAT ANSWER OR CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THAT CONVERSATION. UM, THE SCHOOLS, UH, I THINK THOSE CAME UP IN THE CONVERSATION, OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM, HOW THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AFFECTS THE SCHOOLS. UM, SO, UM, MY LAST COMMENT WILL HAVE TO DO WITH JUST THE PUBLIC WELFARE. UH, AS ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS MENTIONED, AND AGAIN, I'M SURE THIS IS OBVIOUS TO YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE P UH, MAP IS, UM, THOSE INTERSECTIONS OUT THERE, TWO LANE, NO SHOULDERS, FOUR WAY STOPS, NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS. UM, AND THAT'S A, THAT IS AN UNBELIEVABLE CRISIS WAITING TO HAPPEN. UH, IF WE HAVE EMERGENCY, UH, PERSONNEL AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES, UH, OR IF THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS THAT HAVE PERSONAL EMERGENCIES. UH, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING REDUNDANT. SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, BUT IT CONCERNS ME FOR EVERYBODY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE THAT AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR A, A TRAGEDY TO HAPPEN SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'RE NOT STAYING OUT AHEAD OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE DOING OVER THERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME MR. MCALLISTER. BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY, MAYOR, MAY I ASK HIM A QUESTION? YES, SIR. GO RIGHT AHEAD. UH, YOU AND I HAVEN'T SPOKEN IN SOME TIME. YES, SIR. YOU'RE A REASONABLE MAN. I HOPE SO. MR. LAMBETH AND MR. JONES ARE REASONABLE PEOPLE. YOU'VE HAD THREE WEEKS. I'VE TALKED TO, UH, MR. JOHNSON, I THINK THOMPSON. THOMPSON. MM-HMM. . I'VE TALKED TO HIM TWO OR THREE TIMES. WELL, MR. PERDUE BACK THERE HAS GOT ME ON SPEED DIAL, . UH, I, UH, DO YOU HONESTLY THINK ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE WOULD HELP? BECAUSE FROM WHERE I'M SITTING, YOU'VE MET THREE TIMES, NOT A COMMA'S CHANGED NOTHING. MM-HMM. , THERE'S BEEN THINGS TALKED ABOUT, BUT NOTHING'S HAPPENED. MM-HMM. . SO I WANT YOU TO JUST HAVE A LITTLE CHAT WITH ME HERE. YES, SIR. IF, IF AN IDEA IS FLOATED TO YOU MM-HMM, AND YOU DON'T LIKE IT, RATHER THAN SAYING HELL NO. WOULD YOU SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I CAN DO, YEAH, I'D BE FOR THIS. WOULD THERE BE A GIVE AND TAKE IN A CHAT WITH YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR NEIGHBORS? I'LL COME. UH, DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE A CHAT AND A DISCUSSION WITH MR. JONES AND MR. LAMBETH AND GENUINELY TRY TO FIND COMMON GROUND? DO YOU THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE? NO. NO. WHAT I MEAN, PLEASE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE COMMENTS COMING OUT OF THE AUDIENCE. AND I DON'T MEAN 560 HOUSES THAT ARE THIS FAR APART. AND I DON'T MEAN THE DEBATE OVER A SITE PLAN VERSUS A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN. I'M TALKING ABOUT IT, EXCHANGING IDEAS AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND SOMETHING. YOU'VE BEEN TO ALL THREE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. MAKING PROGRESS. WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE DID MAKE PROGRESS IN TERMS OF, UH, INFORMATION AND EXCHANGING QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH. BUT THIS IS A COMP, UH, FOR ME ANYWAY, MY SMALL MIND. THIS IS KIND OF A COMPLICATED PROJECT IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMPLICATED I AGREE. WITH CITY DEVELOPMENT. WITH I AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. UM, SO I HAVE TO THINK THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE MADE PROGRESS SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF ARE MORE BECOMING MORE INFORMED. OKAY. AND YOU HAVE TO BE, I'M SORRY. NO, GO AHEAD. I THINK TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, YOU HAVE TO BE INFORMED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE DO, TO HAVE THAT KIND OF DIALOGUE THAT YOU WERE ASKING ME ABOUT. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S TRUE FOR YOU GUYS. IF YOU DON'T DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND SOMEBODY PROPOSES SOMETHING, WHEN I THINK WE SAW EVIDENCE OF THAT EARLIER TONIGHT, IT'S NOT CRITICISM OF ANYBODY, BUT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET YOUR ARMS AROUND ALL THE RELEVANT INFORMATION, YOU'RE NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION. AND I THINK THAT'S QUITE HONESTLY, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN. UM, I'M HOPEFUL, BUT YOU CAN CALL ME A FOOL FOR BEING HOPEFUL. I WOULDN'T DO THAT. UM, AND AS THE COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE GALLERY INDICATE, I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST UP HERE, LLOYD AND CARLA MCALLISTER. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORS OF MINE, AND I DON'T WANT TO OFFEND MY NEIGHBORS THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY AREN'T INCLINED THAT WAY. UM, I CERTAINLY RESPECT THEIR RIGHT TO TO THAT. BUT I'VE TOLD [02:00:01] YOU, I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AS FAR AS WHERE I'M AT AND WHERE I THINK OTHERS PROBABLY ARE. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL. NO, IT IS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THE, THE, THE LADY WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT. UM, MY NAME IS CARRIE MULLET. I LIVE AT 25 10 ALEXA AVENUE. SO COVELL AND MIDWEST BOULEVARD. UM, MY CONCERN HAS BEEN FOR THE SCHOOLS, THAT WAS WHY I RAISED MY HAND EARLIER. MY DAD ALSO IS BILL THOMPSON. WHO? MR. MOORE. I KNOW YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH HIM. UM, HE WROTE AN EMAIL. HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT. UM, 'CAUSE HE HAD A PREVIOUS ENGAGEMENT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE EMAIL. I'M HAPPY TO READ IT IF YOU DIDN'T. HE ALMOST READ IT TO ME. SO I'VE I I'VE READ IT. MS. MUG. I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU SAID YOU DID NOT GET. I GOT IT LATE TODAY. I FORWARDED THAT TO YOU. DID YOU GET IT? 'CAUSE I RECEIVED IT TWICE. THAT'S WHY SHE DIDN'T GET IT. . I GOT IT TWICE. I DID TOO. YES. I DON'T WANNA REPEAT IT. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY, UM, READ IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAD SEEN IT BEFORE YOU CHOOSE TO VOTE THIS EVENING? YES, MA'AM. I HAVE NOT SEEN IT. OH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ IT? NO. DO YOU WANT A COPY OF IT? BUT YOU COULD GIVE A COPY OF IT. . I MEAN, I, I THINK I KNOW WHAT'S IN IT, BUT JUST IN ALL TRANSPARENCY, I THINK MAYBE IT GOT SENT TO THE MAYOR TWICE AND I DID NOT RECEIVE IT, SO THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN KEEP THAT COPY. UM, I AGREE THAT I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE A COMPROMISE BASED ON THE MEETINGS THAT MY DAD HELPED FACILITATE. UM, BUT THERE'S WASN'T A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM, IT SEEMED FROM THE OTHER SIDE AT THIS POINT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M STILL SEEING HANDS COMING UP AND IF, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN IS YOU'RE BEING REDUCED BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE, BUT I'M STILL HEARING THE SAME STUFF. I'LL TRY AND BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF, I HOPE YOU'RE A LOT DIFFERENT. . UM, MY NAME IS ZACH ZEP. UH, I LIVE AT 4,500 CANON CREEK ROAD. UH, BORN AND RAISED, ED AND RESIDENT. WENT TO SUNSET ELEMENTARY, CIMARRON MIDDLE SCHOOL, MEMORIAL HIGH SCHOOL, UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL OKLAHOMA. BEEN HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE, UM, LIVE IN CANON CREEK FARMS, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, SOMEWHAT REPRESENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE. UM, SOMEWHAT DON'T, UM, I'M NOT GONNA TOUCH ON EVERYTHING ELSE EVERYONE ELSE SAID, BUT I WILL TOUCH ON. UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT OF NEGATIVES AROUND THE COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE PORTION OF THIS. THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW COMMENTS ON IT, BUT MOST PEOPLE SEEM REASONABLE AND OKAY WITH THAT. THE DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF IT IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN IN THE TRAFFIC. WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM THE MEETINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TO, I WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I WENT TO THE FIRST AND THIRD OF THE MEETINGS THAT, UH, BILL AND DAVID PUT TOGETHER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WHAT I'VE SEEN OF THAT, UH, THOSE MEETINGS IS, UM, A MISSING THIRD PARTY. SO BOY TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IN THOSE MEETINGS, THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE CITY IS WANTING HERE, UM, WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA DO. WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET A EXIT OFF OF COFFEE CREEK? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET AN EXPANSION OF COVE AND, UH, AIR DEPO TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS BEING ASKED OF DAVID, AND TO BE HONEST, HAVING BEEN TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS, IT WAS ALMOST AS IF, UM, HE WAS SENT OUT TO BE TARRED AND FEATHERED, UM, BECAUSE HE CAN'T ANSWER ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND ADDITIONAL, UM, MEETINGS ABOUT, IS THERE A COMPROMISE OUT THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE REPRESENTATION FROM THE CITY TO AT LEAST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND GIVE SOME EDUCATION TO THE REST OF US ABOUT HOW THIS PROCESS SHOULD GO. WHATEVER YOU DECIDE ON THIS PLOT OF LAND SETS A PRECEDENCE FOR ALL OF B STEADMAN. THERE'S DENSITY HERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPMENT. UH, WE HAD AN HOA MEETING YESTERDAY ABOUT, UM, OUR ENTIRE RESIDENT, AND THIS WAS A GOOD, GOOD TOPIC ON IT. THERE'S WILLINGNESS TO HAVE CONVERSATION AND THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A, UM, A FULL BLINDERS. WE DO NOT WANT DEVELOPMENT AT ALL. IT'S JUST THERE'S A MISSING [02:05:01] THIRD PARTY THAT WE NEED TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH US TO HELP US FACILITATE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND THEN THERE'S A STRONG LIKELIHOOD THAT SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SOMETHING IS, BUT WE NEED A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY TO, TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST A SECOND BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY THERE. I THINK I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. AN EXIT ON COFFEE CREEK. THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEND OUT SILVER ALERTS FOR ME BEFORE THAT THING'S BUILT. SO DON'T, DON'T COUNT ON THAT. I, I SPENT A LONG TIME LOOKING AT THE ODOT EIGHT YEAR PLAN AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THEY WOULD DO IT. BILL EMAILED ODOT. THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. DON'T ON THAT. YOU'LL, THEY'LL BE PUTTING SILVER ALERTS OUT FOR YOU BEFORE THEY GET ONE THERE, SO WE'LL COME BACK. . THAT'S ONE QUESTION. THANK YOU, SIR. CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT? HOLD ON, SIR. HOLD ON. YOU, YOU, YOU'VE, NO, YOU'VE ALREADY, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN RIGHT NOW. BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE FLAVOR. I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. UM, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO SLIGHT YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK, BUT IT'S, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION UP HERE AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ENT ENOUGH FROM THE PAST FIVE THAT CHANGES THE TONALITY FROM YOUR COMMUNITY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT, SO I WANT TO, I WANNA BE ABLE TO PROGRESS THROUGH THIS MEETING SO THAT THE, IF THE COUNCIL HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, CONVERSATIONS, THAT WE CAN HAVE IT BECAUSE THE APPLICANT, WE WILL BE GIVEN THE RIGHT TO SAY TO, UH, HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENT. IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT FOR STAFF, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND ALL THAT. BUT IF UN UNLESS COUNSEL, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM OUT OF THE, THE COMMUNITY, WE, WE'VE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS, WE HEARD THEM TWO WEEKS AGO, AND THEY'RE JUST, YOU JUST, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM THAN TWO WEEKS AGO, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP US MOVING, NOT RUSHING, BUT, SO WE CAN STILL HAVE MORE CONVERSATION THAN JUST FROM THE STAFF AND FROM THE APPLICANT AND FROM THE COUNSEL. I SEE THAT DIDN'T WORK. YES, MA'AM. , CAN I STAND UP? YEAH, NO, YOU, YOU HAVE TO STAND UP. OKAY. YES. MY NAME IS JAMIE NETTLE. I LIVE AT 4 4 1 2 CANAAN CREEK. I DO HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO SAY. I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOLS OR THE TRAFFIC OR THE EXTREME DENSITY THAT'S BEING PUT HERE. I OWN ABOUT 10 RENTAL PROPERTIES. SO I KIND OF KEEP AN EYE ON THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AT ALL TIMES. I MOVED HERE FROM CALIFORNIA, UH, BACK IN 2018. I KNOW DENSITY VERY WELL. I'M OPEN TO THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNTS FOR SURE, AND I UNDERSTAND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE BUY THE 300,000 PRICE RANGE TO PUT TENANTS IN OFTEN. I MEAN, THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING, BUT I HAVE BEEN WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE EAST SIDE. I JUST HAD MY FATHER BUY A HOUSE JUST A MILE SOUTH FROM HERE, 1800 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, BETTER SIZED LOT TO GIVE YOU A PICTURE IN YOUR HEAD. KIND OF A TABER LOOKING HOUSE. IT WENT FOR 3 0 6. OKAY. THAT WAS ONLY 60 DAYS AGO THAT HE CLOSED ESCROW ON THAT. AND THEY'RE DROPPING LIKE CRAZY NOW. THE PRICE, I JUST CHECKED IN ON THOSE, THEY'VE GONE DOWN 10 AND $15,000, WHICH IS A HUGE CHUNK OF THAT ALREADY. SO MY CONCERN IS, I KNOW MR. MOORE AND MRS. MUG WERE TRYING TO DEFEND THE 18 TREES AT FER. I'M TRYING TO DEFEND THE TREES A LITTLE BIT HERE. WE ARE GOING TO KNOCK DOWN ALL THESE TREES AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA REALIZE THAT THE PRICES OF THE HOUSES OVER THERE ARE DROPPING AND THEY'RE GONNA NOT BUILD OR, YOU KNOW, PUT A LITTLE CHUNK IN AND THEN LEAVE THIS HUGE, MASSIVE AMOUNT OF NO TREES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DICTATES THE PROPERTY VALUE OUT THERE AND MAKES IT MORE EXPENSIVE, 'CAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY MORE EXPENSIVE, BE BEYOND THE EAST SIDE OF EDMOND THAN THE WEST SIDE. AND ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS THE TREES. AND HERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS MASSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD COME IN AND KNOCK DOWN ALL THESE TREES. AND MY CONCERN IS WE ARE THEN GONNA HAVE A GIANT DIRT LOT THERE FOR MANY YEARS UNTIL THE HOUSING MARKET GOES BACK UP WITH THESE INTEREST RATES. THIS WAY, THE MARKET HAS SLOWED AND IT'S SLOWING PRETTY QUICKLY RIGHT NOW IN THE $300 RANGE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT BUILDING. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I KEEP AN EYE ON THE MOST. SO MY ARGUMENT HERE IS THAT WE MAY NOT REALLY NEED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND AT THIS PRICE POINT ON THAT SIDE BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOING WELL ALREADY A MILE SOUTH [02:10:01] WITH BIGGER LOTS THAT IS AD MUCH RATHER THE HOUSE THAT MY DAD BOUGHT THAN THESE LITTLE ROW HOUSES FOR THAT 300 PRICE. OKAY. I SAID MY PIECE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HOLD ON. THE GENTLEMAN HERE IN THE GREEN CAP? YES. YOU, YOU RAISED YOUR HAND RIGHT AFTER SHE DID. I JUST, I'M HAROLD WALLACE AND I'VE, UH, LIVED AT, UH, CANON CREEK FOR THE LAST, UH, ALMOST 30 YEARS AND LIVED IN, UH, EDMOND FOR, UM, 65 YEARS. AND I JUST HAVE SEEN DEVELOPMENTS GROW AND PROSPER AND ALSO GO BANKRUPT. I'M LIVING IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT WENT BANKRUPT IN 1985, UM, CANYON CREEK FARMS. AND I THINK THAT THIS 30 FOOT BY THOUSAND FOOT, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS DESTINED FOR FAILURE. UM, AND I JUST DON'T WOULD LIKE TO JUST SIMPLY ADD TO WHAT, UH, MY NEIGHBOR SAID IS THAT IT IS, UM, IN MY OPINION, UH, DESTINED FOR FAILURE, BUILD APARTMENTS ON THE, ON SOME PART OF IT, BUILD COMMERCIAL FINE BUILD HOUSES, FINE. I SPENT MY WHOLE LIFE BEING WITH, UH, GROWING UP WITH THE MCKAY'S AND THEY HAVE FAILED AND SUCCEEDED. BUT WHEN THEY SUCCEEDED, THEY READ THE KELE, THE TEA LEAVES SUCCESSFULLY, SOMETIMES THEY DIDN'T AND THEY FAILED AND THEY WENT BANKRUPT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, SIR. I'M GIVING YOU THE LOOK BECAUSE I, I'M HOPING I'M GONNA HEAR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHAT I'M TALKING TO THE, TO ASK ABOUT THAT. I AM MELANIE BLUE, UM, 6,000 EAST COFFEE CREEK ROAD. I OWN THE 70 ACRES EAST OF THIS ONE. SO I HAVE A LOT OF SKIN IN THIS, SO I JUST WANNA AT LEAST HAVE MY NAME OUT THERE TO SAY I HAVE CONCERNS. UM, I THINK IT CAME UP AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE'S NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OUT THERE IF THIS ENDS UP BEING AFFORDABLE. UM, TREES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP A LOT. OH MY GOODNESS. WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE TREES DOWN A 30 BY A HUNDRED LOT. WE'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE GONE. THEY CAN'T SAVE ANY OF THE TREES WHEN THEY DO THIS. IT'S GONNA BE BUILDINGS AND CONCRETE. AND I HAVE A VERY BIG CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, I'VE MOVED EAST EDMOND OVER 20 YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE WAY OF LIFE. I LOVE IT. I MEAN, AND I THINK YOU ALL COULD UNDERSTAND I BOUGHT IN THERE FOR A REASON. MY WAY OF LIFE IS GONNA CHANGE. I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA CHANGE MY WAY OF LIFE, AND I'M WORRIED. IT DID GET BROUGHT UP THAT I DID HAVE AN OFFER AT ONE TIME AND I REFUSE IT. THIS IS WHY. IT'S BECAUSE I LIKE MY WAY OF LIFE AND I THINK I MAY LOSE IT. AND IT'S VERY CONCERNING. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED UP SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS FROM THE CITY OF EDMOND, I MAY HAVE LOOKED AT THIS WRONG, BUT IT SAID THAT THIS WAS A REMNANT FOREST IN THE SURVEY OF 1871, THEY SAID THIS WAS A REMNANT FOREST. I'VE CROSSED TIMBERS. SO WE'RE TALKING TREES. THIS IS A RUMINANT FOREST. THIS HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1871, SO WE'RE GOING TO CLEAR IT. AND, UM, AND THERE'S A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, MENTAL HEALTH AND ASTHMA IS RELATED TO PUTTING IN NOT HAVING TREES AND PUTTING IN THIS HIGH CONGESTION. UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS I THINK IT CAME UP, NO, I DON'T THINK THE FLOODING EVER CAME UP. AND WE'RE CLEAR CUTTING THESE TREES AND THE UNDERBRUSH BRUSH FLOWS DOWN THE WATER FLOW. THEY ARE HAVING THREE PONDS OUT THERE. BUT WE NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH WATER UNTIL IT HAPPENS. I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, NORTH CAROLINA, THAT WAS REALLY A TRAUMATIC THING. AND I AM DOWNHILL FROM THIS, OR AT LEAST PART OF MY PROPERTY, NOT MY HOUSE, BUT PART OF MY PROPERTY IS DOWNHILL. SO I HOPE I SAID SOMETHING NEW. [02:15:01] JUST I FELT LIKE SINCE I HAVE A LOT OF SKIN IN THIS, I SHOULD AT LEAST STAND UP AND SAY MY TWO WORDS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA CHANGE MY WAY OF LIFE. I MEAN, I HAVE DEER, I HAVE RACCOONS, I HAVE ALL THIS OUT THERE. I ACTUALLY SAW A ROADRUNNER, WHICH I THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST ABOUT EXTINCT, BUT WE'RE BRINGING THIS IN QUICK AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I MEAN, I JUST THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TALK. THANK YOU, MA'AM. TWO QUICK, QUICK POINTS. COME ON. THANK YOU. DANIEL SNYDER, 52 17 CANAAN CREEK. UM, JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, OR MAYBE, I THINK IT'S MAYBE MISLABELED AS TREE PRESERVATION. IT'S AN ACTIVE OIL AND GAS WELL. AND THEN THE SECOND PIECE IS, MY WIFE AND I ENJOY RIDING OUR BIKES OUT EAST EDMOND ALL THE TIME. BUT MORE AND MORE, EVERY SINGLE TIME WE GO FOR A RIDE WEEKLY, WE ARE CUT OFF, UH, ON BLIND UPHILLS. WE'RE PASSED ON BLIND UPHILLS EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO PASSING LANES AND IT'S JUST GETTING WORSE AND WORSE. AND SAME THING, PEOPLE ARE CONTINUING TO RUN FOUR-WAY STOP SIGNS. AND IF WE BACK UP TRAFFIC CONTINUE TO BACK UP TRAFFIC, I THINK THE FRUSTRATION IS GONNA BE TAKEN OUT ON INDIVIDUALS. AND AS A CYCLIST, IT'S, IT'S GETTING SCARIER AND SCARIER. SO THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, APPLICANT. WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? OKAY, SO FROM AN ITEM STANDPOINT, UH, OBVIOUSLY INFRASTRUCTURE IS A ELEMENT THAT, UH, WAS TALKED ABOUT DURING THE MEETINGS. UH, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN HERE. THE, UH, INTERSECTION AT AIR DEPOT AND COVE IS CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGNED BY TEAM ENGINEERING IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION, WIDENING EXPANSION OF, UM, AIR DEPOT AND COVE, ALL DIRECTIONS FROM THAT INTERSECTION. FOUR WAY I'VE, UH, BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH STEVE MANIC, UM, HERE RECENTLY BECAUSE OF ANOTHER PROJECT, UH, THAT IS, UH, FORTHCOMING IN THIS GENERAL AREA. AND SO THE CITY IS FORWARD LOOKING AS IT RELATES TO RIGHT NOW FOR, UH, WHAT THAT INTERSECTION AND WHAT THAT AREA, UH, CAN ANTICIPATE AND EXPECT ALONG WITH, UH, OUR PROJECT, ALONG WITH, UH, SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS AND THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, UH, THE CITY IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS TIME. OUR PROJECT IS NOT GONNA BE ON THE GROUND. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 500 RESIDENTS ON THE GROUND IN THE NEXT YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS. SO THERE'S TIME AND, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO CONTINUE THEIR, UH, FORWARD LOOKING METHODS AND, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE AND IMPROVE THOSE AREAS. SO THE WIDENING OF AIR DEPOT, WE WILL ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE AND REQUIRED TO WIDEN AIR DEPOT AND COFFEE CREEK IN FRONT OF OURS. SO I THINK, UH, WE ARE, UH, ACTUALLY IMPROVING AND HELPING THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE WITH OUR PROJECT, UH, ALONG IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT THE CITY IS ALREADY UNDERWAY WITH RIGHT NOW. THAT INTERSECTION, UH, HAS A PRELIMINARY DESIGN IN PLACE. LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS SIGNALED, UM, EXTENSION OF FOUR LANES, A, UH, 10 FOOT WIDE, UM, TRAIL, UM, EASEMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE, FRONTING THE NORTH SIDE OF COVE AND THE WEST SIDE OF AIR DEPOT THROUGH THIS AREA. SO THAT, UH, THAT'S UNDERWAY AND THAT'S, UH, DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT WAYS. WE ARE ALSO GOING TO EXTEND THE WATER LINES, UH, FROM THE HAMPTON HOLLOW AREA ALL THE WAY NORTH UP AIR DEPOT AND WEST ALONG, UM, COFFEE CREEK ALONG OUR FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. SO FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT STANDPOINT, WE HAVE THAT SANITARY SEWERS, THE SAME SITUATION. THE CITY HAS JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COFFEE CREEK INTERCEPTOR LINE, WHICH, UH, DISSECTS A SOUTHERN QUADRANT OF OUR PROPERTY. SO, UH, AGAIN, INFRASTRUCTURE WISE IMPROVEMENTS OR MANY ARE IN PLACE, OTHERS ARE ON THE WAY, AND WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE AND REQUIRED TO DO OURS ALSO. UM, MY, MY REGION IS ABOUT SEVEN FOOT. I STILL WON'T TOUCH THE HOUSES. FIVE FOOT SEPARATION, JUST LIKE IN ANY RESIDENTIAL DEAL BETWEEN EACH HOUSE ON EACH SIDE. SO 10 FOOT TOTAL SEPARATION ON THE HOUSES, UM, COFFEE CREEK HENDERSON. OKAY. KATIE BAR THE DOORS ONCE THIS REZONING IS DONE. NO, THE PUD MASTER DESIGN STATEMENT CONTROLS WHAT CAN BE DONE NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. WHAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO COME BACK IF WE WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING FROM WHAT IS EXACTLY STATED IN THE DOCUMENT AT THIS TIME. AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE HOUSING HERE IS ABOUT 250,000 TO $300,000 IS WHERE THE PRICE RANGE RUNS. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, [02:20:01] YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE, UH, BASICALLY THE PLAN, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS FOR THIS PROPERTY, IN LARGE PART, A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME DENSITY, BUT WE ALSO THINK THAT BASED UPON WHAT WE ARE PROVIDING AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS TO COFFEE CREEK AND AIR DEPOT, THE EXTENSION OF WATER, EXTENSION OF SEWER AND THE CITY'S PROGRESS ON THE EXPANSION AND IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF AIR DEPOT AND COVE YEAH. COVE THAT, UM, THIS IS A, UH, ACCEPTABLE PROJECT FOR THIS AREA. MR. JONES, SIR, ANY, ANY WILLINGNESS TO REDUCE THE DENSITY ON, I THINK I SAW SOMETHING THAT 250 HOUSES, DID I NOT SEE THAT SOMEWHERE 250 HOMES? YEAH. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, MR. MOORE. NO. OKAY. UM, I CAN, UH, ALLOW MR. LAMBETH OBVIOUSLY TO, UH, ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL TO REDUCE POSSIBLY SOME OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE CHANGE TO THE PROCESS AT THIS POINT, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW? WELL, COUNSEL, UH, MR. MAYOR, UM, I MEAN, A LOT OF, A LOT OF THINGS, UH, QUESTIONS WERE POSED, CONCERNS, PROCESS CONFUSION, UM, IS, COULD WE HAVE SOME OF STAFF TALK TO AND SPEAK TO SOME OF THE PROCESS WHEN THINGS HAPPEN? I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE, ONE OF THE THINGS IS SOME OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ARE ON THE LIST, UM, AND ARE COMING. AND, AND SO I APPRECIATED SHARING THAT, BUT I JUST THOUGHT, IS THERE YES, WE CAN BE, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MR. LAWRENCE OR, I MEAN, THERE WERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITY, UM, PROCESSES AND QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE OFFERED, AND I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY OF CAPTIVE AUDIENCE TO MAYBE SHARE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION. YES, IT IS, BECAUSE THIS IS THE, TO ME, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TIME TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THIS REZONING RIGHT HERE, UH, THAT WE GET AS MUCH OF IT, THE CLARITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THIS DECISION IS MADE. UH, BECAUSE AFTER IT IS MADE, RIGHT, IF THERE IS A REZONING HERE, UH, WE DO HAVE REDUCED VISIBILITY RIGHT INTO THAT PROCESS. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANTED TO ASK? UH, OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO FOR STAFF? I JUST, I FEEL LIKE THERE WERE STATEMENTS MADE THAT WERE KIND OF MISSTATEMENTS OR MISINFORMATION THAT I FEEL LIKE SOME FOLKS COULD CLEAR UP, UM, ESPECIALLY TRAFFIC PROCESSES, TIMELINES, AND, AND I SEE MR. LAWRENCE CHOMPING AT THE BEACH PLAN. SO WHAT'S THE, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO I'M STEVE LAWRENCE, I'M THE CITY ENGINEER. SO TYPICALLY ON A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS, AS THIS, THIS IS MIXED USE, BUT TYPICALLY WE DO NOT GET TRAFFIC STUDIES OR, UH, FLOODPLAIN STUDIES BEFORE THE, THE ZONING PROCESSES THAT THE APPLICANT, THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE PROCESSES, SO THEY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE A LOT OF MONEY FOR 'EM TO PUT UP OUT FRONT. SO WE HAVE ORDINANCES IN PLACE FOR TRAFFIC STUDIES AS WELL AS WIDENING REQUIREMENTS FOR ARTERIAL STREETS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AIR DEPOT AND COFFEE CREEK ROAD. WE'VE GOT ORDINANCES IN PLACE FOR STORM WATER AS WELL. UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ZONING IS APPROVED AND THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THE PLAT, AND THEN WE, WE GO THROUGH ALL THOSE PROCESSES WITH THEM. WE ENSURE THAT THEY DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. UH, WE ENSURE THAT THEY, THEY MEET ALL THE ORDINANCES REQUIRED IN, IN THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. SO, UM, YES, THERE'LL BE MORE DENSITY, MORE CARS. UM, THE STREETS WILL BE DESIGNED TO HANDLE THAT. THEY WILL WIDEN THEIR PORTION OF THE ROADS. WE DON'T HAVE, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO GO OUT AND JUST WIDEN EVERY ROAD. THERE IS AN EDMOND THAT'S AN IN CREDIBLE EXPENSE. PLUS WE DON'T OWN THE THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE DON'T OWN THE LAND TO DO IT. SO WE REQUIRE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A PARTNERSHIP WITH, YOU KNOW, THE LAND DEVELOPERS WILL DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE LAND NEEDED FOR THE ROAD WIDENING, AND THEY WILL WIDEN THE ROAD. UM, THEY, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY IN SOME PLACES TO PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF DOING THAT, BUT WE USUALLY REQUIRE THEM TO, TO WIDEN THE ROADS. UM, IT'S THE SAME ON THE FLOODPLAIN AND, AND STORM WATER ISSUES AS WELL. UM, THERE'S A [02:25:01] LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT FLOODING AND THAT KIND OF THING. WE HAVE ORDINANCES FOR FLOODPLAIN, UH, FOR DETENTION REQUIREMENTS OF STORM WATER, SO THAT THEY HAVE TO CONTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE STORM WATER AND RELEASE IT AT THE SAME RATE IT WAS BEING RELEASED FROM THE LAND BEFORE. UM, WE DO HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE UNDERSTAND. WE, WE DO COORDINATE FREQUENTLY WITH ODOT, UH, AS COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE SAID IT, IT, HE MAY BE, UH, GETTING THE SILVER ALERTS BEFORE, UH, ANYTHING HAPPENS. SO RIGHT NOW THEY DO HAVE, IN THEIR EIGHT YEAR PLAN, UH, WIDENING OF I 35 FROM SECOND STREET TO WATERLOO, IT WILL BE WIDENED TO SIX LANES THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THAT PIECE. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THROUGH THIS SECTION, IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWING WIDENING THE LANES TO THE INSIDE. SO MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY MORE RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'S STILL EARLY ON IN THEIR, THEIR PLANNING PROCESS TO, TO LOOK AT THAT. UM, THEY CONSIDER, UH, BASICALLY FROM COVELL, THE WATERLOO, A URBAN CORRIDOR, WHICH MEANS NO ADDITIONAL, UH, ON-RAMPS OR OFF RAMPS WILL BE SUPPLIED OR PROVIDED BY, UH, ODOT. IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTED, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOBBY AND, AND PAY FOR THAT PROBABLY, UM, BECAUSE IT'S THE STATE PREROGATIVE THAT THAT'S URBAN OR, OR THAT'S RURAL, UH, HIGHWAY AND ONCE EVERY THREE MILES IS THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF ON RAMPS THROUGH THERE. UM, SO I MEAN, SOME OF THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF SEE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT A LOT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, DO PROVIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE, UM, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. STEVE, STEVE, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT AIR DEPOT AND COVE AND PART OF THE GEO? YEAH, AND SO WE, WE RECOGNIZE WITH, UH, THE, THE THREE MILES BETWEEN COVAL AND WATERLOO, UH, NOT HAVING ANY ON-RAMPS AND OFF RAMPS, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WILL BE GROWTH IN NORTHEAST EDMOND AND THEY WILL ALL HAVE TO UTILIZE COVEL TO GO SOUTH, UH, YOU KNOW, TOWARD THE CITY OR ANYWHERE ELSE. UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT AIR DEPOT AND COVAL AND, AND EVEN BETWEEN I 35 AND AIR DEPOT AND COVAL, UH, THAT WE NEED IMPROVEMENTS THERE. UM, WE PUT IT IN OUR, WE WERE ASKED THE CITY STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF PROJECTS FOR A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. UH, CITY STAFF MADE THAT LIST. WE, WE PRIORITIZED THE LIST, UH, THE, THE, THE AIR DEPOT AND COVAL INTERSECTION AS WELL AS THE WIDENING, UH, FROM THERE TO I 35 IS ONE OF OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY LISTINGS. WE HAD IT AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. UH, SO IT WILL BE ON THE BALLOT ON NOVEMBER 5TH FOR A GO BOND ELECTION. SO THERE IS LONG RANGE PLANNING GOING ON, UH, FOR THE AREA. UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST WHEN IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN? UM, AND DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT, SIR? I DID. A MINUTE. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. I'LL, I'LL KEEP IT. YEAH. OKAY. JUST A MINUTE, SIR. ANY OTHER THING THAT YOU, UH, WANTED STAFF TO, TO POSSIBLY HIT ON? I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE HERE FROM THE SCHOOLS, BUT THE SCHOOL IN SCHOOLS IN THEIR LONG RANGE PLANS, THEY ARE PLANNING FOR SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN EASTMOND. AND SO THAT WASN'T A MAJOR COMMENT OF FOLKS, BUT I KNOW THAT'S, UM, A CONCERN. BUT THEY ARE PLANNING FOR THAT INCREASED DENSITY AND HOMES AND STUDENTS IN THAT PART OF, UM, THE CITY AND HAVE PURCHASED LAND TO DO THAT. SO, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK. AND THEN, YEAH, UH, WHAT ELSE? SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING ON YOUR END, MR. BRIAN? YEAH, I WAS THE PLAN SIDE PLAN, NO SIDE PLAN PLAT, FINAL PLAT? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. UH, YEAH. SO THE, AS WE INDICATED, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLATING PROCESS. WE ALSO REQUIRE, UH, PLATING ON COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, BUT THEY ADDITIONALLY REQUIRE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN PROCESS, WHICH, UM, IS MORE THAN JUST THE SITE PLAN OR SITE LAYOUT. THAT'S A, THERE'S A PUBLIC PROCESS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE PLAN AND REVIEW BY, UM, ALL THE RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS, UTILITIES, FIRE, UM, URBAN FORESTRY, AND THEN, UH, HEARING AT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THOSE SITE PLANS. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO OFFER, UH, SOMEONE HAD A CONCERN ABOUT WILL THIS SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE REST OF EAST EDMOND, AND I WISH, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE COMFORT TO THE COUNCIL THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ONLY ACCOMMODATES THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT [02:30:01] PATTERN RIGHT NEAR I 35 AND KIND OF THIS MIXED USE CAMPUS AREA. THE, THE BALANCE OF EAST EDMOND IS SUBURBAN OPEN SPACE OR RURAL AS APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF, UH, UTILITY ACCESS. SO I 35 FROM WATERLOO TO 33RD, WHETHER THERE'S AN EXIT OR NOT. UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S THE, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A BLEND OF OUR I 35 CORRIDOR OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT, AND THEN SOME COMPONENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, UH, WHAT WE CALL MIXED USE CAMPUS. YEAH. AND IT'S THE WHOLE CORRIDOR FROM CITY LIMIT TO CITY LIMIT. AND ALSO, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE, UH, STUDY THAT WE DID WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THE ADMIN 2050, LOOKING AT THE, WHERE THE LOCATIONS WERE THE DUE TO ACCOMMODATE DENSITY VERSUS THE LOCATIONS THAT COULD NOT ACCOMMODATE DENSITY ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN? UH, YEAH, GOOD, GOOD QUESTION. SO THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN WAS A PROCESS THAT WE WORKED ON A FEW YEARS AGO. THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THAT, UH, PLAN HAVE BEEN FOLDED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE WERE ABLE TO BRING THOSE, UM, TO BEAR WHEN WE EVALUATED ZONING APPLICATION. UM, AND IT THAT THAT PLAN, UM, MODIFIED SOME OF THE LAND USE COMPONENTS IN THE EDMOND PLAN BY, UH, ENCOURAGING US TO FOCUS DENSITY ON BOTH IN LIKE INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT PORTIONS OF TOWN. SO KIND OF THINK SOUTHWEST QUADRANT AND SOME KEY NODES IN OTHER PLACES. SO ONE OF THEM IS HERE, KIND OF THIS COVEL SOONER COFFEE CREEK I 35 AREA. UM, YOU MAY RECALL THE LIBERTY PARK, UM, PROJECT, UM, THAT CAME THROUGH, UM, A YEAR AGO OR SO. UM, AND THEN, UM, SOME CONCENTRATION, UH, AROUND THE LAKE AND MAYBE PARTS EAST OF THERE, UM, AS A, AS A POTENTIAL, ANOTHER NODE THAT WAS REFLECTIVE FROM SOME WORK THAT WAS DONE IN PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLANS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT KIND OF THESE SORT OF, UH, LIKE VILLAGE CONCEPT. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED, UM, IN THAT EAST EDMOND DOCUMENT AND KIND OF A, A, UH, A CLARIFICATION OR ADDITIONAL DETAIL RELATED TO THOSE. AND THEN THE GOAL OF ALL OF THAT IS TO, UM, KIND OF RELIEVE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE FROM THE ENTIRE EAST EDMOND AREA SO THAT WE, WE HAVE THESE PLACES WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN CLOSE PROXIMITY AND, UM, MAYBE YOU DON'T GET AS MUCH PRESSURE TO DO LIKE STRIP COMMERCIAL ALONG ARTERIALS IN FURTHER EDMAN, IF YOU WILL. AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS KNOW THAT THAT'S HOW THAT RELATES TO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE UTILITY SERVICES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, RIGHT? WE NEED SOME OF THOSE POCKETS OF DENSITY IN THOSE STRATEGIC PLACES IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES. AND I MAY NOT BE ARTICULATING THAT CORRECTLY, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU OR SOME YEAH, IT'S HELPFUL. UM, SO WE'RE, OF COURSE, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH A LOT OF THE MAJOR PROJECTS FROM THE WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN FROM, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO. UM, AND THE, THE LAND USE COMPONENT OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REFLECTIVE OF THAT PLAN, RIGHT? SO IT MIGHT SHOW AN AREA THAT CURRENTLY DOESN'T HAVE, SAY, GRAVITY SEWER SERVICE, BUT IS PROJECTED TO HAVE SUCH IN THAT, UH, UTILITY MASTER PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. READY TO GO? ONE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE MEETING ABOUT THE TRAIL, SORRY, ONE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE MEETING ABOUT INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YEAH, BUT SORRY. MM-HMM, AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHEN THE TRAILS WOULD YOU PLAN TO BE BUILT? THAT WAS ONE THING THAT I SAID THAT I WOULD ADDRESS FOR THEM. 'CAUSE I SAID I COULD NOT SPEAK TO THAT. SO THE, UH, THE TRAIL THAT'S, UM, SHOWN ON, ON THIS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR QUARTER SECTION IS REFERRED TO AS THE COFFEE CREEK TRAIL. UM, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CONNECTION FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WEST PART OF TOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UH, ARCADIA LAKE. UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE IN THE VERY PRELIMINARY STAGES OF THAT TRAIL. SO IN TERMS OF LIKE ACQUIRING EASEMENTS, IDENTIFYING FUNDING, IT WAS, IT IS, UM, HAS BEEN ON OUR TRAILS PLAN SINCE 1999. THAT WAS THE FIRST, UH, TRAIL AND BIKE PLAN THAT WE DID. UM, AND SO IT, IT'S STILL ON OUR, IN OUR MOBILITY PLANNING. IT'S JUST A VERY LONG TERM. UM, IT'S JUST A VERY LONG TERM COMPONENT, BUT OF COURSE, IF WE CAN GET EASEMENT DEDICATED AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO ACQUIRE IT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT, UM, LOWERS THOSE BARRIERS FOR TRAILS. ABSOLUTELY. GOOD QUESTION. THANKS. GOOD QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER THING THAT YOU, [02:35:03] AND I THINK IT WAS ADDRESSED, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THESE ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRE CODE, WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT. I MEAN, WASTEWATER, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO I KNOW THAT'S CONCERNING TO A LOT OF CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS, BUT THERE ARE, I THINK AS, AS BEEN WELL DESCRIBED, SOME PROCESSES IN PLACE TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE. UM, AND THEN, OH, I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS THERE, THERE IS A TREE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? AND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF TREES THAT MUST REMAIN. UM, AND AS SOMEONE STATED, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING IN THAT MANY HOMES, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE SOME TREES THAT ARE NOT GOING TO REMAIN. BUT, UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT A FORMER COUNCILMAN JOSH MOORE WAS REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT, UM, IS HAVING, UM, OUR, OUR TREE ORDINANCE TO PRESERVE TREES. AND PART OF THIS EASTMOND PLAN TOO IS TO PRESERVE THAT REMNANT FOREST IN DIFFERENT PLACES. AND THE STRATEGIC DEVELOPMENT IS TO HELP PRESERVE THAT TOO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY THAT GAVE A BETTER, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES HERE. AND IT WAS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THE VERY BEGINNING THAT THE PLANNING OF EDMOND AND ITS FUTURE, UH, THAT FIRST DOCUMENT WAS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GO BACK TO 1999, TOMORROW'S EDMOND, AND THEN WE JUST, THE STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY HAS EVOLVED TO THIS POINT HERE. UM, AND SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY THERE. WE, I HAVE TWO HANDS UP. WE HAVE A PERSON FROM THE COMMUNITY OVER HERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT. UM, I WANNA HEAR THE APPLICANT FIRST AND THEN I HEAR YOU. OKAY. YES, SIR. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, VERY QUICKLY ADDRESS MR. MOORE'S CONCERN ABOUT THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN COMPONENT. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS WITHIN THE CITY. THERE'S THE, UH, PHYSICAL SITE PLAN APPLICATION COMPONENT THERE, WHICH GOES OBVIOUSLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT. AND THEN FROM MY SIDE OF IT, THERE'S A SITE PLAN COMPONENT THAT GOES WITH THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE RESIDENTIAL ELEMENT. IF THEY'RE PUBLIC STREETS AND PUBLIC UTILITIES. UH, ALL THAT INFORMATION IS SUBMITTED, UH, IN A SITE PLAN COMPONENT TO, UM, MR. LAWRENCE'S OFFICE. AND THEN, UH, THEY REVIEW THAT AND COME BACK TO ME. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WHEN I REFERENCE A RESIDENTIAL SITE PLAN COMPONENT I'M TALKING ABOUT, FOR ME, I SHOULD SAY. AND IT DOES NOT GO, LIKE YOU SAY, IT WOULD NOT COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT FOR ME IT'S, IT, IT GOES TO THE CITY AND IT IS ACTUALLY A SITE PLAN SET OF PLANS. THERE'S NO PUBLIC ERRING OF THAT PORTION, CORRECT? YEAH. UH, IT, IT WINDS UP, UH, ALL BEING APPROVED AND AGREED TO SIGNED BY MR. LAWRENCE. RIGHT? YES, SIR. SO THAT WAS WHERE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION WHEN YOU SAID THAT'S WHERE THE CONCISE PLAN ABOUT THE RED. YEAH, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S MY VERNACULAR, MY NOMENCLATURE. I SHOULD, I SHOULD BE CLEAR IN THE FACT THAT GOT IT FROM MY SIDE OF THE DEAL, THAT'S MY SITE PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. YES. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. MAYOR, JUST, NO, NO, NO, NO. COME. UM, THANK YOU. JUST A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, AS FOLLOW UP, THE MENTION WAS MADE OF THE DEVELOPER BEING REQUIRED TO WIDEN AIR DEPOT AND COFFEE CREEK, AND IT'S JUST A PRACTICAL QUESTION. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS THAT FOUR LANES ALL THE WAY ON COFFEE CREEK THERE AND ALL THE WAY ON AIR DEPOT? I THINK IT'S NOT, BUT I SHOULDN'T ASSUME. WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT? WE CAN HAVE STAFF TELL YOU, UH, THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT HA THEY HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH THERE. YEAH, SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY, UM, WE LOOK AT THE STREET, UH, DIVIDING IT KIND OF IN THE CENTER OF THE ROAD OR THE SECTION LINE. UM, THEY WILL WIDEN THE LANE TO THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET, UH, BOTH ON ZEPO AND COFFEE CREEK ROAD, AS WELL AS PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE OVER THERE. UM, SO THAT'S, THEY, THEY'RE BASICALLY WIDENING THEIR SIDE OF THE ROAD. OKAY. SO IT'S, IT'S A PORTION OF BOTH ROADS ON THEIR SIDE. ON THEIR SIDE. AND WHEN YOU SAY WHITE, I, I APOLOGIZE, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M GETTING STRAIGHT CLEAR. UH, IS THAT JUST WHINING IN THE EXISTING LANE? IS THAT ADDING A LANE? IS THAT ADDING A SHOULDER? IT IS ADDING A LANE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, COUNSEL, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT. WE'VE HAD, WE HAD A LOT OF CLARIFYING LANGUAGE THERE. UM, I'M LOOKING YES, SIR. [02:40:01] NO, NO, GO AHEAD. I'M WHEN, CALL ON ME WHEN YOU'RE READY. WELL, YOU HAD THAT LOOK. I DO, I DO. OKAY. YOU'RE CALLING ON ME. THANK YOU. NOW YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY STATEMENT. YOU HAVE A STATEMENT? I DO NOW I'M CALLING. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY, REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT I THOUGHT THE THREE WEEK COOLING OFF AND HAVING A TOWN HALL UP THERE MIGHT SOLVE SOME PROBLEMS. IT DIDN'T. THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THEIR POSITION. I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I RESPECT THAT. MR. LAMBETH, DO YOU HAVE YOUR POSITION? AND I RESPECT THAT, BUT IF WE CAN'T FIND ONE THING TO COMPROMISE ON NOTHING, THEN WHAT THE HELL WERE WE DOING FOR THREE WEEKS? WERE WE JUST LOOKING AT EACH OTHER AND TALKING PAST EACH OTHER OR AROUND EACH OTHER OR NOT? OR WHAT WERE WE DOING? AND SO THOSE THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP AND THEY DIDN'T. I SAW MR. LAMBETH IN APRIL, MAY, WHATEVER IT WAS, HE ASKED ME IF I WAS OKAY WITH THAT TYPE OF DENSITY. I IN PASSING SAID, SURE. I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE HOMES ARE GONNA COST. WELL, HELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE GONNA JAM IT IN A LITTLE PIECE OF LAND LIKE THIS WITH THE FLOOD ZONE AND CUT DOWN THE TREES. THERE'S A LOT TO THAT. MR. CANALE, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED FOR YEARS, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU'RE A LITTLE CRANKY, JUST LIKE I AM ON SOME THINGS. AND, UH, YOU'RE CRANKY ABOUT THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. MCALLISTER, YOU'VE GOT SOME LEGITIMATE THOUGHTS HERE. HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. AND YOU GOT A WEEK, TWO WEEKS TO DO IT. MR. LAMBATH DOESN'T WANNA DO THAT, I DON'T THINK. I DON'T, I KNOW YOU DON'T. NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT, DO YOU? NO. I MEAN, NO. JUST A MINUTE HERE. WE HERE. WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO YOU IN JUST A SECOND. IF, IF I'VE ASKED THE CITY MANAGER, I'M GONNA ASK THE CITY MANAGER IF THE, IF THERE WAS ONE MORE BY TO THE APPLE AT THIS ONE MORE. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES GO WITH ME TO THAT MEETING? I CAN ASK THE ASSISTANT MANAGER. NO, NO, NO. I'M ASKING YOU. OKAY, SO RANDY, YOU GOT VOLUNTEERED. SO WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'LL WORK, BUT I KNOW THIS PROCESS DOESN'T WORK. AND I KNOW THESE LAST THREE WEEKS HAVEN'T WORKED BECAUSE YOU GOT THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE OVER HERE STARING AT ME AND MR. JONES IS STARING AT ME. AND THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T MIND THAT. AND MR. LAMBETH, I WANT YOU TO DO GOOD THINGS FOR EDMOND. YOU HAVE, AND YOU'RE A GOOD CITIZEN OF EDMOND. WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A BETTER WAY. THERE'S GONNA BE MORE OF THESE IN EAST EDMOND. THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING AND COMING AND COMING AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE LIKE THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THINGS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS. WE TALK PAST EACH OTHER. WE LOOK AT EACH OTHER WITH ANGER AND FRUSTRATION. AND THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TIMELINES AND THE CITIZENS HAVE THEIR STYLE OF LIFE AND THEIR COMFORT IN THEIR HOME. AND THEY WANT THAT TO STAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I RESPECT THAT. MR. PURDUE, YOU AND I HAVE HAD TWO OR THREE CHATS. YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY STRONG OPINION ABOUT THINGS. SO DO I. WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND WE CAN'T IF WE CONTINUE TO AT EACH OTHER AND NOT BE WILLING TO COMPROMISE. NOT ONE THING. DID YOU WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON NOTHING? I DIDN'T. HELL NO. I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT HERE. NOTHING HAS BEEN CHANGED. NOTHING. OKAY. AND YOU ALL HAVEN'T AGREED TO MAKE A COUNTER OFFER TO SAY THIS OR THAT? I GOT AN EMAIL TODAY FROM A GUY SAID HE WANTED 250 HOUSES THERE. THAT'S THE FIRST I HEARD OF IT. SO MR. MCALLISTER, YOU APPEAR TO BE A GENTLEMAN. AND, UH, FROM THE LOOKS OF THINGS WITH A NATURAL BORN LEADER UP THERE, IF WE WERE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH MR. ENTZ AND MAYBE MR. BRIAN WANTS TO WALK OUT THERE AND AND JOIN US, DO YOU THINK THERE IS A CHANCE THAT YOU WOULD AGREE TO ANYTHING? 'CAUSE IF NOT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHOOSE UPSIDES HERE IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES. UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, MR. MOORE, I, I, I HAVE TO BE HOPEFUL FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT THAT CAN BE THE ANSWER. I UNDERSTAND WE GOTTA KEEP HOPE ALIVE. IS THAT A REALITY THAT WE CAN COME TO THAT? WELL, LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO, ALRIGHT, [02:45:02] MR. LAMBETH, I WISH YOU'D STEP UP HERE AND ANSWER ME A COUPLE QUESTIONS IF YOU WOULD. PLEASE. YES, SIR. I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING HARD ON THIS OUT THERE AND I KNOW YOU WANNA BUILD THIS OUT THERE, AND I KNOW YOU WANT A PROJECT OUT THERE AND I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET IT GOING AND GET IT DONE AND GET MOVING RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T. LOOKS LIKE HE, UH, THIS IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR PROCESS. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YES SIR. THAT'S NOT YOUR STYLE. YOU'RE A GOOD GUY. YOU GET ALONG WITH PEOPLE. WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY. IF YOU'VE GOT A SUGGESTION FOR ME, I WANT TO HEAR IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK WE CAN DO? WELL, THREE WEEKS AGO, MY SUGGESTION WAS JUST TAKING A HUNDRED UNITS OUT OF THE TOTAL 690 ALLOWABLE. AND THE COMEBACK FROM MR. THOMPSON WAS, WELL, I'M THINKING MORE LIKE 150 TOTAL. AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, MATT, YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO, UH, SOMETHING I TALKED TO MR. MCALLISTER ABOUT IN GREAT DETAIL, UH, THIS AFTERNOON, LLOYD AND I ACTUALLY TALKED THE LONGEST TODAY AND, AND HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT TRYING TO CO COMPROMISE. I MEAN, HE'S, HE'S A GOOD MAN AND I RESPECT HIM VERY MUCH SO, YOU KNOW, I CARE ABOUT THE PROJECT BECAUSE I I, I'M NOT DOING THIS TO, TO HURT THE NEIGHBORS. THIS ISN'T FOR THE PROBLEM, BUT IT'S FOR A PROCESS. AND, AND I DO BELIEVE IN, IN THE PLAN, I BELIEVE IN EVAN'S PLAN. SO I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, DO WE CUT THE COMMERCIAL IN HALF? WELL, A MONTH AGO, THERE WAS ALL THESE ISSUES WITH COMMERCIAL UNTIL I BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD TALKING POINTS. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COMMERCIAL'S NOT AN ISSUE. THEY LIKE THE COMMERCIAL, THEY'RE FINE WITH IT. HOW IT IS BECAUSE I, I HAD OFFERED JUST TAKING THE SCOPE OF THE COMMERCIAL AND CUTTING IT IN HALF AND JUST SAYING SEVEN AND A HALF ACRE FOOTPRINT, SAME DESIGN CRITERION. AND AS FAR AS THE, UH, 690 TOTAL UNITS ALLOWED, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, LET'S JUST TAKE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTIAL TYPE SO THAT WAY THEY DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE GETTING, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A GARAGE, WITH A FRONT DOOR, WITH, YOU KNOW, 10 FEET BETWEEN HOMES, ET CETERA. AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKE 150 TOTAL UNITS OUT OF THE DESIGN STATEMENT. JUST 150 GONE. AND I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS RIGHT NOW. BAM. GONE. BUT, BUT SEE, AND AND I RESPECT WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM. I ABSOLUTELY DO. BUT TO ME, I MEAN, THAT'S ME GIVING UP SOMETHING BECAUSE I HEAR THINGS LIKE, ARE YOU WIDENING A ROAD FOR ME? WELL, SEE, YOU HAVE THE LUXURY OF HAVING 60 ACRES OF FLOODPLAIN AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WIDEN A ROAD ALL THE WAY AROUND, BUT WE SPACE $7 MILLION FOR SOMETHING AND THEN WE HAVE THREE OR $4 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS. WE ARE GIVEN SOMETHING TO COMMUNITY. AND I DO CARE. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE BY. SO, SO MY MY THING IS, IS WE'RE COMPROMISING CASH, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE'RE UPGRADING ALL THOSE THINGS FOR THE, FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND, REGARDLESS. OKAY. ALRIGHT, HAVE A SEAT. YOU GOT TO PREACH IN THERE FOR JUST A MINUTE. SO I WANT TO KNOW IF ONE MORE MEETING WILL WORK, BECAUSE I DON'T, I THINK MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN MORE THAN FAIR. IT'S BEEN INSUFFERABLE SITTING UP HERE THROUGH TWO OF THESE AND NOTHING'S BEEN DONE. AND I'M NOT GONNA ASK THEM TO DO IT AGAIN UNLESS WE CAN FIGURE THIS THING OUT. AND LIKE I SAID, WE GOTTA KEEP HOPE ALIVE. AND IF WE CAN'T, LET'S JUST PULL THE PLUG AND WE'LL FIGURE THIS THING OUT WHEN WE VOTE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR WANT TO DO. I'M DAMN FRUSTRATED ABOUT THIS. I, THERE HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH MOVEMENT IN MY OPINION, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH COOPERATION IN MY OPINION. SO, COUNCILMAN MOORE, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU'RE SAYING, UH, IN YOUR TALK IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THE, UH, SELECT MEMBERS ON BOTH SIDES FROM STAFF, UH, YOU, UH, AND FROM THE COMMUNITY TO MEET WITH THE APPLICANT. ONE MORE TIME TO SIT DOWN IN A CLEAR ROOM, UH, AND HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION AND SEE WHAT COMPROMISE. I DIDN'T SAY, UH, COMPROMISE IS, BUT WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF COMPROMISE COULD BE MADE, UH, TO REACH TO SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S KIND OF, SORT OF WHAT I SAID, WHAT I, YES, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WILL BEAR FRUIT. AND I DON'T WANNA WASTE ANYONE'S TIME. AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO CHASE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. SO I'M WILLING TO, IT'S AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TONIGHT. UH, THAT WAS A SUGGESTION I HAD, BUT I'M NOT MARRIED TO THAT IDEA. I JUST TOSSED THAT OUT. I, I, I THINK I'M CHASING SOMETHING THAT I CAN'T CATCH. AND, UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD ENOUGH TONIGHT TO MAKE ME THINK [02:50:01] I'M FOR THIS. I'M NOT FOR IT RIGHT NOW. I'M AGGRAVATED THAT WE SPENT A MONTH NEARLY TALKING AND NOTHING HAPPENED. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING CAN CHANGE IN 10 DAYS, 14 DAYS, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT IF, IF WE CAN, MAYBE, IF NOT, I'M READY TO VOTE TONIGHT. WELL, COUNSEL, UM, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT SEVERAL TIMES. WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY SEVERAL TIMES. WE HEARD, WE'VE ALL HAD COMMENTS UP HERE. UM, WHAT WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO DO? WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO PROPOSE TO THE, TO HAVE ONE MORE MEETING? UH, UH, THE THING THAT I HEAR THAT'S DIFFERENT, I GUESS IS BRINGING IN AND, AND I THINK ZACH AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE SAID, HAVING, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATION FROM THE CITY AT THE SAME TIME, THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE HAPPENING, I THINK IS, IS A PIECE THAT HASN'T BEEN THERE. AND MAYBE, UM, LIKE MR. MCALLISTER HOPE IS, IS ALIVE. UM, AND SOME HER THINGS I HEARD FROM MR. LAMBETH THAT I, I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD OFFERED SOME OF THOSE CONCESSIONS, UM, PRIOR TO THAT. AND SO I AM INCLINED, AND MAYBE IT WILL BE SILLY, BUT I AM INCLINED TO, IT'S TWO WEEKS, WHAT'S TWO WEEKS AT THIS POINT? I FEEL LIKE MAYBE SOME INFORMATION WAS, UM, SHARED TONIGHT THAT WAS HELPFUL TO, TO ALL, ALL FOLKS AROUND. SO I, I'D BE WILLING TO GIVE, GIVE IT A SHOT AND THANK MR. ENT AND MR. MOORE IF THEY WANT TO ATTEND. BUT THAT SEEMS TRULY DIFFERENT. I MEAN, IF WE WERE JUST SAYING GO BACK AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AGAIN, IT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THE POINT? BUT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT PROPOSED. MM-HMM. . AND I WILL SAY THIS, THANK YOU MS. MUG. AND I'LL SAY THIS, MR. MAYOR, IF THIS COMES BACK AT THE SAME DENSITY IT IS, THEN I'VE WASTED MY TIME IN A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME. 'CAUSE I'M NOT FOR THAT DENSITY OF THE PROJECT. SO, UH, THIS LAST WEEKEND, MY WIFE AND I, UH, GOT TO GO TO OUR NIECE'S WEDDING, WHICH IS, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO AL MATER, BYU PROVO. AND WE WENT UP ON CAMPUS FOR THE FIRST TIME. I DON'T THINK I'D BEEN UP THERE WITH HER FOR WELL OVER 10 YEARS. AND IT'S THIS, IT'S THIS LIKE FEELING, RIGHT? 'CAUSE NOSTALGIA BRINGS YOU BACK. AND SHE SAID TO ME, I WANNA BE ABLE TO GET TO THE BUILDINGS WITHOUT LOOKING UP A MAP, RIGHT? SHE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO LIKE SEE IF SHE COULD STILL DO IT. SO WE WENT TO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS WHERE SHE WORKED, WHERE MY NIECES WERE AT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT INEVITABLY WE SAW THESE NEW THINGS, RIGHT? NEW BUILDINGS, NEW RESOURCES, BRAND NEW KIND OF LIBRARY FACILITY. UM, IT IS A CHALLENGE. I THINK EVERYBODY MOVES TO EVAN BECAUSE WE'RE A COMMUNITY OF CHOICE. AND WHEN THEY DECIDE TO MOVE HERE, UH, IT'S KIND OF PERFECT WHEN THEIR U-HAUL ROLLS IN AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE THAT LEGO MOVIE WITH THE DAD WHO SAYS, MAYBE I PUT SOME CRACKLE AND, AND JUST TRY TO FREEZE THINGS IN A, IN A, IN A WAY THAT, THAT DOESN'T SHAKE OR, OR DOESN'T MOVE. EVERYTHING WE DO HAS AN IMPACT ON SOMEBODY AND SOMETHING ELSE, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO GET THE NOTES ONE DAY ABOUT OLD TOWN WHERE I LIVE BECAUSE THERE'S A, UM, TO MY DETRIMENT, MEANING MY WEIGHT THERE IS, UH, TED'S AND UH, THERE IS A BRAHMS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THERE, WHICH I FREQUENT WEIGH TOO MANY TIMES. UM, AND I CAN IMAGINE THERE WAS SOME HEATED DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. I KNOW THE MAYOR, HE GOT INVOLVED IN, IN CIVIC SORT OF ENGAGEMENT WHEN THERE WAS A CREST THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NEXT TO HIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THOSE CONVERSATIONS AREN'T NEW. I WILL SAY, I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO SEE A SITUATION RIGHT ON THE FRONTAGE OF I 35 THAT THERE ISN'T SOME SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT OR SOME OPPORTUNITY IN REGARDS. I THINK ALL CITIZENS LOOK TO THAT. AND WHETHER IT'S UP ON COVE AND SHOW, SHOW SHOWBIZ IN THAT AREA, WHAT'S NEXT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING, THEY'RE LOOKING TOWARDS THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I AGREE WITH MR. MOORE, YOU KNOW, EACH OF US HAVE OUR DISTRICT, I CAN TELL YOU WITHIN A WHISPER USUALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWNTOWN. HE'S OUT THERE IN EAST EDON. SO I I CARRIES A TON OF WEIGHT WITH ME ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS HE'S HAVING OUT THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, A GENTLEMAN SAID, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE, UH, DAVID WAS TARRED AND FEATHERED A BIT, DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE SOME ANSWERS, UH, AND THINGS, AND, AND YOU HATE, YOU HATE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THE PENDULUM, IF WE CAN GET IT RIGHT, WHICH IS HARD IN MY OPINION, IS IF DEVELOPMENT CAN HAPPEN FOR AND WITH PEOPLE INSTEAD OF TO THEM. AND THE SENTIMENT THAT I GET FROM THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM IS, HEY, WE'RE NOT DUMB. HOPEFULLY WE GET THAT. WE KNOW DEVELOPMENT'S HAPPENING IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, BUT WE, THE WAY WE'RE SEEING THE PENDULUM SWING IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW IS MORE, UM, TO US THAN WITH OR FOR US. UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE. I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC STUDY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, SINCE IT'S AN I 35, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE JUST AS A POLICY PERSON WOULD BE LOOKING AT OUR, UH, EDMOND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF PAYING FOR THAT, GIVEN ITS SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AND GIVING THE POTENTIAL IT HAS TO RIPPLE ACROSS AS FAR AS REVENUE. I THINK ANOTHER DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN, WHETHER IT'S THIS OR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE LOOK AT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF DOING THAT. SO IT'S NOT ON THE BACKS OF THE CITIZENS PER SE OR OR ON THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THERE'S SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO. UM, ROAD WIDENING, FLOODPLAIN, THE THING THAT KIND [02:55:01] OF, FOR ME RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS BIG TOP OF MIND THAT I THINK ABOUT NONSTOP IS PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE. THEY DON'T COME OFF THE LIST. THEY DON'T GO AWAY. IT'S JUST A TIMELINE AND ACCORDION OF WHEN AND HOW AND WHERE WE CAN, UM, PAY FOR THEM. SO NOBODY COMES AND SAYS THEY WANNA HAVE COFFEE WITH ME BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN IDEA ABOUT HOW TO SLASH OUR BUDGET BY 50% AND PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, EVEN BETTER SERVICES. ALL THAT USUALLY COMES WITH A GREAT IDEA AND AN OPPORTUNITY. AND SO WE HAVE IN 21 DAYS A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO CONTEMPLATE WHETHER THEY NOT, THEY WANT ANOTHER LEG TO THE STOOL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO FUND LONG-TERM CAPITAL PROJECTS, OF WHICH I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THAT DIRECTLY SPEAK TO SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON THERE. FOR ME, FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, GIVEN THE LACK OF GIVE AND TAKE FROM BOTH PARTIES AND COMING UP WITH A COMPROMISE, FOR ME, THE BIGGEST MEASURING STICK THAT'LL COME NEXT AS FAR AS FUTURE WHAT COUNCIL WILL BE OR IF I'M LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE UP HERE IN THE FUTURE, WILL BE WHAT FUNDING IS AVAILABLE TO REACH ALL OF THOSE NEEDS. AND SO FOR ME, A HUGE MARKER IS WHAT HAPPENS IN 21 DAYS ON NOVEMBER 5TH. WHY? BECAUSE THE PROJECTS WILL STILL EXIST. SO FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LOOK AT THE NEW SCHOOL THAT'S OUT THERE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A MIDDLE AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT'S GONNA COST ABOUT $34 MILLION TO TAKE THAT FROM A TWO LANE TO A FOUR LANE TO HAVE EIGHT FOOT DEAL RUMBLE STRIPS TURN AND TURN OUT. 'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT KIDS ARE SAFE AND MOMS AND DADS AND GRANDPARENTS CAN DROP PEOPLE OFF. WELL, THAT'S GONNA SUCK UP 34 TO 36 MILLION OF OUR BUDGET, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THE NEW DATA POINT FOR ME WILL BE WHAT HAPPENS IN 21 DAYS. OBVIOUSLY I'D LOVE TO HAVE ALL THE CARDS ON THE TABLE TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. UM, SO FOR ME IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN GET ACCOMPLISHED IN THE NEXT 14 DAYS, BUT I KNOW WE'LL HAVE NEW INFORMATION IN 21 DAYS THAT WOULD DRAMATICALLY FORECAST WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS OR NOT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE SPOKEN ON THAT. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE. I DON'T SEE TOO MUCH THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT IN 14 DAYS. I WOULD SEE A CONVERSATION THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN 21 DAYS JUST BECAUSE THERE'D BE SUCH A DIFFERENT SIGNIFICANCE OF WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING IN PLACE TO SUPPORT SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. WELL, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING, MR. MOORE? IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MR. ROBBINS IS READY TO VOTE SO THAT NO, WELL, WE'RE NOT FINISHED HAVING OUR CONVERSATION UP HERE. UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONVERSATION AND ONE THING I DID APPRECIATE TONIGHT WAS THE REVEALING OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE TOTAL PROCESS. HOPEFULLY THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM OVER HERE, LEARN SOME THINGS TODAY ABOUT, THERE WERE SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS YOU HAD ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ABOUT WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE GOING TO BE LATER ON IN THE PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT THIS IS, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TIME ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS THIS RE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. SO MY, THE WAY MY MIND THINKS IS MAYBE WE NEED TO IN THE FUTURE, UM, AND THAT THIS BE THE STARTING POINT, IS HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. HAVE THE, THE SENIOR STAFF MEMBER IN THE ROOM HAVE SAGE, UH, CONVERSATION SOMEONE TO, TO REPRESENT THE, THE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S, THE STAFF IN THERE HAVE THE, THE, THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, I MEAN THE, THE, THE, UH, RESIDENTS HAVE THE APPLICANT IN THERE AND HAVE THOSE, SO THOSE QUESTIONS COULD BE ANSWERED. AND SO YOU COULD SEE THE BIG PICTURE OF YES, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT PIECES THERE. SOME OF US KNEW THAT, SOME OF US DIDN'T. BUT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN THAT, AND IT, AND EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FROM THE STANCE FROM RIGHT NOW AND BECAUSE, RIGHT? YES. COUNSEL MEMBER, UH, ROBIN, I DID GET INVOLVED WHEN THAT STORE MOVED IN BACK THEN I WAS, MY NAME IS IN THE BOOK FOR TOMORROW'S EDMOND, 1999. BUT I KNOW THESE THINGS, THE PROCESSES GOING FORWARD. BUT WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I APPRECIATE IS THE DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE COMMUNICATION THAT'S NECESSARY. I WOULD WANT YOU ALL TO MEET, TO HAVE THAT OTHER, BECAUSE HOPE IS THERE. IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WANNA DEVELOP AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO LISTEN AND HAVE COMPROMISE, THERE'S, THERE'S HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND GET TO A POINT WHERE THAT THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT BASICALLY YOUR BOTTOM LINE IS AND THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE. AND THEN IT COMES BACK AND THEN WE MAKE OUR, OUR DECISION. [03:00:01] BUT TO ME, I DON'T MIND HAVING ANOTHER, I WASN'T INVITED TO THE MEETING, BUT, WELL, I'LL ROLL OUT THE RED CARPET FOR YOU. NO, I I LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE. THANK YOU. BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT IF WE STOP COMMUNICATING AND THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN IS GONNA DEVELOP THERE, THERE'S NO IF AND BUTS ABOUT IT, IT IS GONNA DEVELOP. BUT THAT'S CONTINUED, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST HEAVILY D UH, REQUIREMENT, DENSITY DENSITY FOR, FOR THAT AREA RIGHT NOW IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR PLANS. THAT'S THE THING. IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR PLANS. WE DID THE, THE EAST SIDE 2050 PLAN. WE'VE, WE, WE'VE BEEN ROLL, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE 1999. OKAY? SO LET'S JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVERSATION IN MY MIND TO GO FORWARD. THIS, THIS IS NOT, LIKE, THIS CAME UP JUST YESTERDAY. THE CITY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE 19 THAT I'M AWARE OF, 1999. SO, BUT THAT, BUT THAT GOES BACK TO THE PARTIES THAT, UM, COUNCILMAN MOORE SAID, ARE THEY WILLING, ONE IS THE APPLICANT TO, TO MEET ONE MORE TIME BEFORE THE TWO WEEKS AND SEE IF THERE IS A COMPROMISE THERE. AND I DON'T, I I IF IT COMES BACK AND THERE IS NOT A COMPROMISE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. I'M GONNA SAY AT LEAST WE TRIED, WE TRIED AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME FOR OUR COMMUNITY JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. YES SIR. IT'S KIND OF LIKE I SAID EARLIER. LET'S GET ALL THE DATA THAT EVERYONE CAN LOOK AT. WHEN IS YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY GONNA BE COMPLETED, SIR? QUESTIONS TO US PLEASE. OKAY. WOULD YOU ASK HIM PLEASE, , WHEN THIS TRAFFIC STUDY'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED? THAT'S ONE. HOW CAN, OKAY. I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I AM AND I REALIZE YOU DON'T CARE. WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE SIR. PLEASE. BUT I KNOW PLEASE DON'T. WAIT A MINUTE. WAIT A MINUTE. FIRST OF ALL, I'M GONNA STOP YOU. PLEASE DON'T EVER SAY I DON'T CARE. I, I APOLOGIZE. IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. I UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET TO THE PROCESS HERE, OKAY? I I, I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. I'VE BEEN HERE. I'VE, IF YOU CARE, YOU WOULDN'T BE WHERE YOU ARE. STOP, SIR, PLEASE. YOU, YOU GOT ME. YOU GOT ME. I'VE BEEN UP HERE FOR 13 YEARS. I'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS PLAN SINCE 1999. GO FIND A COPY OF IT. TOMORROW'S ADMIN. MY NAME IS IN THERE. OKAY? I'VE BEEN CARING ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY SINCE I MOVED HERE 36 YEARS AGO. SO ANYBODY EVER SAYS THAT? I DON'T CARE. I'M SORRY. YOU GOT THE WRONG PERSON. WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THIS, WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY IS THIS, IS THAT WHEN WE STOP TALKING TO EACH OTHER, WE'RE GONNA FAIL AS A COMMUNITY. I AGREE. AND THIS IS, WE ARE GOING ACROSS AN ECONOMIC GENERATOR OF I 35 AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNICATION THAT'S NECESSARY TO MEET THERE IS DONE. AND IF PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE GOT ONE MORE CHANCE, I'M WILLING TO TAKE THAT ONE MORE CHANCE, OKAY. SO WE CAN GO FORWARD. I AGREE. AND IF WE CAN'T COMPROMISE, IF THERE'S NOT, I'M SORRY IF, IF, IF THERE'S NOT AN AGREEMENT THAT EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE WITH, GUESS WE WILL. WE WILL AS A, AS A COUNCIL, WE WILL MAKE A VOTE AND GO FORWARD AS I DO AN APPRAISAL FOR DIVORCE WHEN BOTH SIDES ARE UNHAPPY. YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. I RESPECT YOU AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO. AND I ONLY APOLOGIZE. WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS NOT, WHEN I SAID, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I AM AND YOU DON'T CARE. THAT WAS NO REFLECTION ON YOU. THAT WAS A REFLECTION ON ME. AS I SAID EARLIER WHEN I SPOKE, LET'S GET ALL OF THE CARDS ON THE TABLE AND THEN WE KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS. HOW CAN YOU MAKE A DECISION AN INFORMED, INTELLIGENT DECISION UNLESS YOU HAVE ALL THE DETAILS? BECAUSE THERE'S A POTENTIAL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE FACTS NEED TO BE THERE, BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT IF WE HAVE OUR SENIOR PLANNER IN THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHER SAGE PEOPLE IN THERE, [03:05:01] YOU, YOU MIGHT NOT EVER HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED 90, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF IT, BUT YOU WILL HAVE ENOUGH OF IT IN THAT MEETING TO MAKE A DETERMINATION. BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, PARDON ME? I THINK WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY. NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO MAKE A INFORMED PRESENTATION WITH THE MEETING WITH THE CITY AND ALL THE OTHER PARTIES INVOLVED. WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE QUESTIONS GONNA GO TO THE APPLICANT. AND ARE THEY WILLING TO HAVE THIS MEETING? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. MY APOLOGIES, COUNSEL. YOU APOLOGIZE. I, SO MR. MOORE, WERE YOU GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT OR YOU WANT ME TO ASK THE APPLICANT? I'M GETTING READY TO ASK HIM SOMETHING. YOU CAN ASK HIM THE MAIN THING. UH, WELL MY THING IS THAT, I'M SORRY, THIS PUD RIGHT HERE, THAT DOG'S NOT GONNA HUNT WITH ME. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR JUST BE ON NOTICE THAT FOR ME TO SUPPORT IT, IT'S GOTTA GET CHANGED. BUT, BUT I DO KNOW MR. MOORE, IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU DO HAVE A MEETING, YOU WILL COME IN WITH AN OPEN MIND PRETTY MUCH NOT ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT HAVING AN OPEN MIND ABOUT THAT. I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPEN MIND ABOUT IT THREE WEEKS AGO. I THOUGHT IT WOULD CHANGE IN THREE WEEKS THAT IT DIDN'T. BUT SIR, I'M TRYING TO TAKE WHAT YOU WANT AND GET TO I I APPRECIATE IT. I'M I'M TRYING TO GET TO THAT, TO THAT OTHER MEETING. 'CAUSE I HAVE FAITH THAT IT CAN HAPPEN. THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION. BUT, BUT I'M GONNA ASK THE, THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU WILLING TO SIT DOWN ONE MORE TIME WITH COUNCILMAN MOORE? RANDY ENTZ, MR. LLOYD MCALLISTER. MCALLISTER KEN AND KEN BRYAN. 'CAUSE KEN JUST OBJECTION, OVERRULED. AND, AND STEVE . THEY HAVE OUR THREE SENIOR TRAFFIC ROAD, ALL THAT, THE SENIOR STATESMAN OF MR. OF COUNCILMAN MOORE. ONE MORE TIME AND THEN PLEASE YOU SHAKING HIS HEAD. YES. THANK YOU DAVID. AND DAVID, YOU'RE IN THERE TOO. YEAH, BUT THIS MEETING NEEDS TO BE ON CITY PROPERTY FACILITATED BY CITY STAFF SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET HIJACKED. THE CONVERSATION DBAS FROM AND ADDING TO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WE WOULD'VE REALLY, WE HAD A GREAT SECOND PRODUCTIVE MEETING HAD DANIEL MILL NOT BEEN THERE. HERE NOW. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE, THERE WAS BAD THINGS THAT WERE BEING SAID. WELL, OKAY. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN A FEW DAYS. SO LET'S NOT GET TACKY TOWARDS THE END OF THIS THING. STOP, I UNDERSTAND. CITY FACILITATOR, CITY PROPERTY, THAT THAT WORKS WELL, GOOD GOD, I THINK WE CAN, CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT, THAT THE CAN HAVE IT ON CITY PROPERTY RIGHT IN HERE AND VERY GOOD. I I, I, IT, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN MY MIND. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION YES, SIR. THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE CITIZENS HAVE A MEETING, UH, WITH THE SENIOR CITY STAFF, MR. ENDS. MR. LAWRENCE, MR. BRIAN, ANY OTHERS THAT NEED TO BE HERE? I'LL BE HERE. LET'S GET THIS THING DONE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND WE'LL SEE YOU OCTOBER 28TH. THAT'S KIND OF AN INFORMAL MOTION, BUT THAT'S MY MOTION. YES, WE HAVE A, OR CONTINUE. I'LL CONTINUE THE ITEM. I'D MOVE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TILL OCTOBER 28TH. OKAY. SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, MR. MCALLISTER DON'T RUN OFF. I WANNA TALK TO YOU AFTER THIS IS OVER SO WE CAN COORDINATE THIS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNSEL. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. I HAVE HOPE, I HAVE FAITH THAT THIS IS WHAT OUR COMMUNITY'S ABOUT. THIS IS WHY WE ALL LIVE HERE. THIS IS ALL WE WORK HERE. THIS IS WHY WE PLAY HERE, AND I'M WILLING TO FIGHT FOR IT. I'VE BEEN OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THE [03:10:01] CIVILITY OF THE MEETINGS. REALLY APPRECIATE THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT. ALL RIGHT, [D. Development Impact Review Committee:] MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM 10 D ONE, PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4,009. 4,009. IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, PLEASE TAKE IT OUTSIDE. AMENDING TITLE TWO ADMINISTRATION AND PERSONAL PERSONNEL OF THE ED ADMIN MUNICIPAL CO BY ENACTING A NEW CHAPTER 2.10001. ZERO ZERO. YES, MR. ENTZ. OKAY, REAL BRIEF. UH, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IS ABOUT THE DIRK COMMITTEE. UH, MOST BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS IN, UH, THE CITY OF EDMOND ARE, UH, CREATED BY ORDINANCE OR THERE ARE A FEW OUTLIERS, DIRK BEING ONE OF THEM, UH, THAT WAS CREATED BY RESOLUTION, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO BE MORE UNIFORM AND TRANSPARENT. WE ARE NOW, UH, BRINGING THOSE FEW OUTLIERS IN FRONT OF YOU AND, UH, CREATING AN ORDINANCE FOR THOSE. THE MISSION OF DIRK DOESN'T CHANGE. THAT'S TO REVIEW CHANGES TO THE CODE AND FEES RELATED TO, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. UH, THE MAKEUP AND TERMS DID NOT CHANGE. UH, SO THE DIRK DID REVIEW THIS AT THEIR, UH, SEPTEMBER MEETING AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. I BELIEVE THE NEXT ITEM IS THE RESOLUTION THAT DISSOLVES THE OLD RESOLUTION THAT CREATED IT. SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. S? MOTION TO APPROVE? NO, THERE'S STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANY QUESTION, COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON ITEM 10 D ONE COUNCIL, WHAT WOULD, LIKE, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON COUNCIL 10 D ONE? MOTION TO APPROVE. YEP. YOU HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. ITEM IS PASSED. ITEM 10 D TWO. MR. MAYOR. UM, WE NEED A MOTION FOR, OH, I'M SORRY. AND WE DO NEED A MOTION TO CLAIM. I'D LIKE A MOTION, AN EMERGENCY. WE HAVE THE MOTION FOR THE EMERGENCY. SECOND, WE HAVE THE SECOND. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. EMERGENCY HAS BEEN PASSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT IS ITEM 10 D TWO, CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 39 DASH 24 39 DASH 24, DISSOLVING THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH THE INTENT TO REESTABLISH THE SAME BY ORDINANCE SUPERSEDING RESOLUTION NUMBER 17 DASH 12 AND ALL OTHER PRE-LEASE APPROVED MANDATORY RESOLUTIONS TO THE SAME NOMINATING COMMITTEE, CURRENT MEMBERS FOR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW COMMITTEE AS REESTABLISHED AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. S BROUGHT US, TOLD US WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON 10 D TWO? MOTION TO APPROVE. I'M, I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANY QUESTION, COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? NO. NOW WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND? SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT ITEMS PASSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT [11. Citizen Comments. This is an opportunity for residents and non-residents to address the City Council on city-related matters not on the agenda or scheduled for a public hearing. Citizens must sign up to speak either online by 3:00 p.m. the day of the City Council meeting, or in person by the start of the meeting. All remarks must be directed to the Mayor or Chair of the meeting, are limited to three minutes or less, and must otherwise be made in accordance with the City Council / Public Works Authority rules, available here and in the Council Chambers lobby.] IS ITEM 11. UH, CITIZENS' COMMENTS. OKAY, DO I, SORRY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE TWO, UM, CITIZENS COMING THIS EVENING. UH, THE, I'LL READ 'EM, SIR. THE FIRST IS MARK HACKER HERER. HE'S A RESIDENT. UH, IF Y'ALL KNOW THE PROCEDURE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES THERE. THERE'S A TIMER IN FRONT OF YOU. UH, MARK HERER 7 7 7 7 EAST COFFEE CREEK ROAD. MY COMMENT IS ABOUT A, UH, A TRASH PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE, UH, WITH LOADS NOT BEING SECURED WHEN VEHICLES ARE DRIVING DOWN WITH PULLING LOADS OF TRASH OR WHATEVER. BY LAW, OKLAHOMA LAW, AND BY EDMOND ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE POLICE OFFICER THAT SPOKE WITH ME, THE LOADS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED. SO THE STUFF DOESN'T FLY OUT, THEY'RE NOT BEING PROTECTED. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ENCOURAGE THE OFFICERS, UH, TO, UH, ENFORCE THE LAWS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, WE'LL HAVE STAFF LOOK INTO THAT, UH, MR. CITY MANAGER AND, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR, AT A MINIMUM [03:15:01] MODEL OF OUR STUFF IS BEING COVERED. BUT THEN, UH, WHAT OTHER, OTHER PRECAUTIONS NEED TO BE DONE FOR THE TRUCKS THAT ARE TRAVERSING THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY? VERY GOOD. THE NEXT IS, UH, NON-RESIDENT. BRAD LAHAM. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. I'LL TRY TO GO QUICK. UM, MY NAME IS BRAD LATHAM, PRESIDENT GENERAL MANAGER OF DIVERSIFIED CONSTRUCTION. OUR COMPANY IS LOCATED HERE IN OKLAHOMA, EMPLOYS 40 INDIVIDUALS AND COMPLETES BETWEEN 25 AND 40 MILLION IN CONTRACTS PER YEAR. WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO EDMOND'S ECONOMY SINCE OUR FOUNDING IN 1989. ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, LANE CHRISTENSEN, A CALIFORNIA BASED COMPANY, DECIDED TO CLOSE THEIR OKLAHOMA OFFICES AFTER YEARS OF NEGATIVE PROFITABILITY HERE IN OKLAHOMA. SINCE THEN, LANE HAS ALSO CLOSED DOWN OTHER OFFICES AROUND THE NATION. DIVERSIFIED HIRED TWO OF EXES, TWO OF LANE'S EX MANAGERS, AND HAS HAVE ALSO HIRED AN OPERATOR FROM LANE AND A LABORER WITH HIS TEAM AND SUPPORT FROM OUR OFFICE. THIS DIVISION OF DIVERSIFIED HAS GROWN BEYOND WHAT WE HAD EXPECTED AND HAS COMPLETED ALMOST 9 MILLION IN CONTRACTS SINCE WE BEGAN OPERATIONS ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO. AND OUR CUSTOMERS ARE VERY HAPPY. WE WERE EXCITED TO BE THE WELL MAINTENANCE CONTRACT. WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS SOLICITED THIS PAST SPRING, WE PLACED A BID ON BOTH PORTIONS OF THE CONTRACT. WHEN THE BIDS WERE OPENED IN JULY, DIVERSIFIED WAS THE LOW BID ON BOTH CONTRACTS. WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO EDMOND TO ARRANGE A MEETING TO DISCUSS GETTING STARTED, BUT WE WERE IGNORED. WE WERE CONCERNED, AND WE SOON FOUND OUT THAT EDMOND DECIDED IN THEIR WORDS, WE ARE CONSIDERING A CHANGE IN OUR BUSINESS PRACTICES THAT MAY AFFECT THESE CONTRACTS WITH NO MORE INFORMATION. WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS REBID, WE KEPT OUR NUMBERS THE EXACT SAME, AND WE WERE ONCE AGAIN, THE LOW BID OUT OF THREE BIDS WITH LANE BEING THIRD AND LAST, WE ASSUMED ONCE AGAIN THAT WE WOULD BE AWARDED THE CONTRACT. SO WE REACHED OUT TO EDMOND AFTER THE BID, BUT NO ONE AT EDMOND WOULD ANSWER OUR CALLS OR EMAILS. WE DID RECEIVE ONE SHORT KURT'S ONE SENTENCE EMAIL ON SEPTEMBER 23RD WITH LITTLE COMMUNICATION FROM EDMOND. I STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS. I HAVE CALLED SCOTT RIGSBY'S OFFICE TWICE. SENT HIM FIVE E SENT FIVE EMAILS TO SCOTT. WITH NOT EVEN A REPLY. I ALSO EMAILED SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE TRYING TO GET AT LEAST AN INKLING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND FINALLY, ON OCTOBER 3RD, NATHAN WATSON EMAILED ME BACK AND STATED THAT EDMOND INTENDED TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO LANE PRIMARILY AND DIVERSIFIED AS SECONDARY CONTRACTOR BECAUSE DIVERSIFIED RESPONSE DID NOT MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS SPECIFIED IN THE BID DOCUMENTS. WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED WITH A DIVERSIFIED ABILITY TO ADEQUATELY SUPPORT MULTIPLE WATER WELL REHAB PROJECTS AT A TIME. THIS IS AN INCORRECT STATEMENT, DESPITE BEING CHEAPER THAN DI CHEAPER DIVERSIFIED, AND THE SECOND PLACE BIDDER BOTH INCLUDED A 75 HORSEPOWER MOTOR IN THE BID, WHEREAS LANE ONLY INCLUDED A 50 HORSEPOWER MOTOR. LET ME REPEAT THAT. LANE INCLUDED A SMALLER CHEAPER MOTOR IN THEIR BID PROPOSAL, AND THEIR BID WAS STILL 56% HIGHER THAN DIVERSIFIED. AFTER BRINGING THIS UP TO THE EDMOND TEAM, WE HAVE HAD ZERO RESPONSES TO OUR QUESTIONS. WE HAVE SINCE FOUND OUT THAT EDMOND IS STATING THAT I'M GONNA RUN OUTTA TIME. THERE'S A CONCERN ON ITEM SEVEN. IT'S ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL USAGE THAT EDMOND PAYS. THE ELECTRIC COMPANY. IT'S NOT, IT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ON THE BID DOCUMENT AND SHOULDN'T EVEN BE AN A CONSIDERATION EVEN IF YOU DELETE THAT LINE ITEM. LANE IS STILL 26% HIGHER THAN DIVERSIFIED. IF, IF EDMOND SPENDS $800,000 A YEAR ON WELL PROJECTS, THAT WORKS OUT TO $200,000 MORE IN COST TO THE CITY OF EDMOND. THESE LAWS ARE NOT SET UP TO PROTECT ME AS A BIDDER. THEY'RE PROTECT THE, THE MUNICIPALITY AND TO SAVE THE MUNICIPALITY MONEY. AND I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE SOME, SOME COMMUNICATION. DARRELL, AS YOU SPOKE, MR. MAYOR, COMMUNICATION IS KEY IN THESE THINGS, AND WE HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY IGNORED AND WE'VE HAD TO BID THIS THING TWICE, AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME OR TO THE CITIZENS OF, OF EDMOND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. IT'S ALL FOR CITIZENS' COMMENTS. UM, ITEM 12. [12. Comments from the Mayor and Members of the City Council.] SO JUST FOR EVERYONE'S, YOU, THIS, YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT ME LIKE WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. WE ARE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE PROHIBITED BY LAW FOR, BY THE OPENING MEETINGS ACT TO SAY ANYTHING DURING CITIZENS COMMENTS. SO JUST FOR YOUR EDIFICATION THERE, UM, ITEM 12 COMMENTS FROM THE MAYOR AND MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL. UM, ONE IS, WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER. WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL, UH, WOMEN'S TOURNAMENT. WE HAD ACTUALLY, THERE WAS TWO TOURNAMENTS AT, UH, CENTER COURT, THE PROFESSIONAL WOMEN'S TOURNAMENT. THEN THERE WAS A NATIONAL TOURNAMENT WHERE THOSE PLAYERS ARE PROBABLY GONNA GO TO, TO D ONE SCHOOLS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THERE WERE, UM, INTERNATIONAL AND, AND, AND AMERICAN PLAYERS WERE ALL OVER PLAYING THERE. SO, UH, OUR TENNIS FACILITY IS GROWING IN STATURE AND ALL THAT. THEN WE, UH, WHAT ELSE? WELL, WE'LL, WE WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO MENTION THAT UCO IS STILL UNDEFEATED. CORRECT. SO TO KNOW ROOSE. YEAH. [03:20:01] UCO IS STILL, AND YOUR VOLLEYBALL IS REALLY DOING GREAT. MM-HMM. . AND THEY'RE, THERE'S ONE OTHER THAT'S UNDEFEATED, ONE OF OTHER OF THEIR SPORTS, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY I BLANKED IT. BUT THEY, OKAY. THEY ARE JUST RAW. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING GREAT. THEY'RE DOING GREAT. AND THEN, UM, JUST FROM, EVEN FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, AND SANTA FE'S BAND WENT OUT TO ARIZONA A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND THEY WON AN AWARD FOR THE BEST BAND COMP, AND THIS IS FOR THIS REGION OF THE COUNTRY. NO OTHER BAND HAS EVER WON THAT AWARD, UH, FROM THIS REGION. AND SO, UH, OUR COMMUNITY IS, IS REALLY GOING TO THEN IN CLO. AND ONE OTHER THING, THE PGA JUST GAVE OUT THEIR CARDS THE OTHER DAY, AND WE HAD, WE HAD ONE GET HIS CARD BACK AND TWO NEW, UH, EDMOND KNIGHTS. WE GOT THEIR CARD, I THINK. MM-HMM. , IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. NICE. I JUST WANT TO THANK MR. ROBBINS AND MS. PETERSON, MS. MUG, AND YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR YOUR INDULGENCE OVER THE LAST COUPLE HOURS AND A WILLINGNESS TO TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT OUT THERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE, YOUR KINDNESS, AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK ON THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL? HEARD UNHEARD THIS WEEKEND. HEARD UN LAST ONE THIS WEEKEND. UM, SCHOOL FALL BREAKS HAPPENING THIS WEEKEND. AND, UM, OH, HOW ABOUT THAT? WE'RE MR. MAYOR. WHAT'S THAT? UM, WE'RE STARTING THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE SENIOR PGA TOUR IN 2027 TO COME TO EDMOND OKLAHOMA OUT AT OAK TREE AT OUR FIRST CONVERSATIONS, UH, LAST FRIDAY. MM-HMM. AND SUPER EXCITED, SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. WE'RE WAITING FOR THE PGA. THE, THE COURSE HAS BEEN NAMED IS OAK TREE. WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE PGA TO SET THE DATE IN 27 FOR THAT. AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT DAY THAT WE, WE GET ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP GOLF TOURNAMENT IN INTO OUR COMMUNITY. LOT OF PLANNING GOES INTO THAT, AND THEY'RE SUPER EXCITED THAT WE WANT TO START PLANNING TWO YEARS AHEAD. A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T, DON'T USUALLY THINK THAT FOR, FOR FOREMOST TO, TO DO THAT. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S EXCITING. VERY GOOD. VERY GOOD. UM, ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION. SECOND. THIS MEETING'S HEREBY ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.