Jan 07, 2025 Planning Commission

JUST TO ALLOW ENOUGH TIME FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING.

ALRIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A REQUEST TO CONTINUE CASE NUMBER Z 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 3 TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2025.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL SECOND.

ALRIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES ON A FOUR TO ZERO.

SO THAT WILL BE MOVED TO FEBRUARY 4TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION.

THAT'S THE APARTMENT COMPLEX CONVERSATION.

AND THAT IS THE, UH, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THAT WILL BE ON FEBRUARY 4TH FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE.

SO THAT WAS THE AGENDA ITEM.

SO THAT WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT AT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

START WITH THE CONSIDERATION, APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER THE THIRD, 2024 COMMISSIONERS.

AND WHILE WE'RE HERE, WE'LL

[2. Consideration of Approval of Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes: December, 03, 2024.]

HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND DO WE NEED OF ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

[3. General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Planning Commission. Members of the Planning Commission may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]

WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS DEED AS ITEMS. UH, COMMISSIONERS.

WILL YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE TWO ITEMS LISTED, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER PR TWO TWO DASH 0 0 0 2 7 AND ITEM NUMBER B, CASE NUMBER PR 24 DASH 0 0 2 8.

DOES ANYBODY THE COMMISSIONERS REQUEST THOSE TO BE PULLED AND SPOKEN AND TALKED ABOUT PUBLICLY? OKAY.

NOT, NOT BY THE COMMISSIONERS.

NO, WE'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

MOTION.

A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, THEN WE HAVE A SECOND.

THE TWO ITEMS ON THE GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS PASSED ON A MOTION OF FOUR TO ZERO AND THEY MOVE TO THE PLANNING OR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON JANUARY 27TH.

START WITH CASE NUMBER FOUR OR UH, FOUR B CASE NUMBER Z 24 DASH 0 0 0 21.

WILL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. WE'LL

[B. Case No. Z24-00021; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “B PUD” Two-Family Planned Unit Development and “A” Single-Family to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for Lincoln Avenue Residential, located northwest of Jackson Street and Lincoln Ave. ]

PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A REZONING FROM BPU TWO.

FAMILY, UH, UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY PUD.

MR. BRIAN, WILL YOU PRESENT? YES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THE SITE IS LOCATED HERE ON THE NORTHWEST, UH, CORNER OF JACKSON AND LINCOLN.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE IN SIZE.

THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED BPUD AND SINGLE FAMILY A TO THE NORTH IS ZONED BPUD AND IS DEVELOPED AS THE BRADFORD VILLAGE.

ASSISTED LIVING COMPLEX TO THE EAST IS C TWO, WHICH IS DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH IS A DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY AND TO THE WEST IS ZONED A AND B, UM, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF, UH, VACANT LOTS AND DEVELOPED AS DUPLEX.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PUD IS TO ADJUST THE SETBACKS AND ALLOW INDIVIDUAL LOTS TO BE CREATIVE FOR THESE EXISTING STRUCTURES.

UM, AS PART OF A FUTURE DEED CERTIFICATION, THE OWNER WILL NEED TO DEDICATE A PRIVATE DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVER THE EXISTING FLUE BETWEEN THE NORTH AND SOUTH STRUCTURES.

KEITH, YOU MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL DETAILS AT THAT HERE IN A MINUTE.

UH, IN TERMS OF THE EDMOND PLAN, WHICH IS THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT CATEGORIZES THE SITE AS URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THE EXISTING USE IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS CATEGORY.

WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF AT THIS TIME? OKAY.

UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT? ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? WALLACE DESIGN COLLECTIVE, THE ADDRESS IS FOUR 10

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NORTH WALNUT, OKLAHOMA CITY.

AS KEN MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURES.

THE OWNER JUST WANTS TO DO A PUD ALLOW FOR LOT SPLITS OR PLAT IN THE FUTURE TO PUT, UM, THE UNITS ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS OR DO SOME SORT OF LOT COMBINATION THERE FOR FINANCIAL PURPOSES.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING.

THERE'S NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE EXISTING UNITS AT THIS TIME.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NO, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

I'LL SECOND AND A SECOND.

THAT ITEM PASSES ON A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND IT MOVES ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON JANUARY 27TH.

ON TO ITEM FOUR C, CASE NUMBER Z 24 DASH 0 0 0 2.

MOVING

[C. Case No. Z24-00020; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “D-3 PUD” Office Commercial Planned Unit Development, “D-3” Office Commercial, and “D-0” Suburban Office to “PUD Z24-00020” Planned Unit Development for Turtle Creek Storage, located on south side of East 15th Street, east of Bryant Avenue. (BLD, LLC; Ward 3)]

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF REZONING FROM A D THREE PUD OFFICE, COMMERCIAL PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT D THREE OFFICE COMMERCIAL, AND A DO SUBURBAN OFFICE TO PUD IN FOR TURTLE CREEK.

MR. BRIAN, WILL YOU PRESENT? YES, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UH, APPROVAL OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THE SITE IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 15TH STREET, EAST OF BRYANT AND ENCOMPASSES ALMOST SIX ACRES.

THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED D THREE PUDD THREE WITH A AND THEN A SMALL STRIP OF D ZERO OR SUBURBAN OFFICE.

ON THE SOUTH, UH, EAST CORNER OF THE SITE TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS A D THREE PUD.

IT'S DEVELOPED AS A BANK OR AN OFFICE EAST AND SOUTH OF THE SITE IS D THREE AND A.

SO YOU SEE THERE A SMALL OFFICE PARK AND SINGLE FAMILY RESPECTIVELY.

TO THE WEST IS D THREE, WHICH IS DEVELOPED AS A PLACE OF WORSHIP.

THE PUD ALLOWS SELF STORAGE FACILITY AND THE SUPPORTIVE OFFICE SPACE FOR THAT ACTIVITY.

IT ESTABLISHES ZERO SETBACKS, EXCEPT AS WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE BUILDING CODE.

IT ESTABLISHES A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 25 FEET.

UM, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICANT HAS SOME UPDATES REGARDING THE FENCE, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FOR THE HEARING ABOUT THAT SOON.

UM, THE EDMUND PLAN 2018 CATEGORIZES THE SITE AS SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL.

THE PUD MASTER PLAN CAREFULLY ADDS SERVICES TO AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREA WITH CAREFUL DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO THE SITE.

THE POD MEETS THE INTENT OF THIS PLAN CATEGORY.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS.

THE CITY STAFF AT THIS TIME, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANY COMMENTS? THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M TODD MCKENNA.

I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT.

B-L-D-L-L-C.

RODNEY BABB IS THE PRINCIPAL.

HE'S HERE TONIGHT.

AND GREG MASSEY IS OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD.

HE'S HERE AS WELL.

UH, MR. BABB BOUGHT PART OF THIS PROPERTY IN 1993 AND ACQUIRED THE REST OF IT, I THINK IN 2005, AND HAS DONE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA FOR A LONG TIME.

UH, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

THE PD KINDA SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

UH, WE HAVE HAD A, UH, I KNOW THE CITY DOESN'T DO COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS MEETINGS ANYMORE.

AT LEAST THEY DON'T HOST THEM.

SO WE, UH, INVITED PEOPLE IN THE NOTICE AREA TO MY OFFICE.

LAST THURSDAY EVENING, I THINK EIGHT OR NINE PEOPLE SHOWED UP.

UH, RODNEY WAS THERE AND HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, NEIGHBORS, A COUPLE IN FOREST OAKS, A COUPLE IN TURTLE CREEK.

UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF VICTORIA WOODS BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET AND ANOTHER INTERIOR DESIGN AND HAD A DIALOGUE.

AND THEN RODNEY MET WITH SOME OTHER NEIGHBORS IN A CUL-DE-SAC IN TURTLE CREEK ON SUNDAY.

AND SO DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, UH, WE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO OUR PUD AND, UH, I'LL MENTION THOSE OUT LOUD THERE.

THEY WERE IN THE RED LINE THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE CITY ON FRIDAY.

I THINK CHRISTIE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS FRIDAY, UH, THE LATEST, MAYBE MONDAY.

SO, UH, WE HAD A REQUEST THAT NO SECURITY CAMERAS WOULD BE FACING TO THE SOUTH OR TO THE, UH, EAST THAT WOULD FACE ANY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AND CERTAINLY THAT WAS FINE.

AND WE MAKE SURE ANY LIGHTING THAT IS ALLOWED BY CODE WOULD NOT BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL, ANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS.

UH, WE HAD A RECENT MODIFICATION TO ASK FOR OUR OPERATING HOURS TO BE LIMITED, NOT 24 HOURS.

AND THIS IS A, A SITE WHERE THERE WILL BE SOMEONE SITE MANAGEMENT, BUT ALSO CODE ACCESS.

BUT WE AGREED TO LIMIT OUR OPERATING HOURS TO BETWEEN 6:00 AM AND MIDNIGHT.

UH, SOME PEOPLE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, USE THESE STORAGE FACILITIES ON A REGULAR BASIS TO USE FOR WORK EQUIPMENT AND OTHER THINGS.

AND SO, UH, WE WERE ASKED FROM SEVEN TO 11 AND TIMES ARE ARBITRARY, EARLIEST SUNRISE IN OKLAHOMA, SIX 14 SOME DAYS.

AND SO WE THOUGHT SIX TO MIDNIGHT MADE SENSE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE OFFERED TO DO, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

AND THE LAST THING IS, THIS CAME OUTTA THE CONVERSATION ON, UH, SUNDAY I BELIEVE.

SO IF I STATE THIS INCORRECTLY, RODNEY, OR ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS CAN MENTION IS THE

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PROPERTY HAS ALL BRICK EXTERIOR AS FAR AS THE PERIMETER OF ALL THE BUILDINGS.

AND SO WE'RE ADDING, UH, IRON FENCING AROUND THE PERIMETER.

BUT IN THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR CARS TO DRIVE DOWN THIS LINE AND HEAD HEADLIGHTS THAT FACE INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO THIS WILL BE SITE PROOF FENCING, EIGHT FOOT TALL IN THIS AREA TO PROHIBIT ANY HEADLIGHT, UH, POLLUTION GOING TO THAT DIRECTION.

IS THAT THAT'S RIGHT.

AND SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE MADE.

UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD THIS PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY SINCE 1993 AND THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2005.

NOW, THIS IS A BIG, UH, DETENTION FACILITY THAT OPERATES RIGHT HERE.

WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON FENCING.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, UH, ALL OF THIS FOLIAGE STAYS UNDER THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE.

THE IDEA OF PUTTING SITE PROOF FENCING HERE WOULD REALLY BE AN IMPOSITION WE THINK, TO THESE FOLKS.

AND WOULD, WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF FOLIAGE.

SO OUR FENCING WILL BE UP IN HERE OR IN THIS AREA, NOT DOWN IN THIS AREA THAT WE'RE PLAN ON LEAVING UNDISTURBED.

SO, UH, KIND OF AN EXAMPLE WHERE THE LETTER OF THE LAW WOULD NOT BE ALL THAT ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT FROM THIS COVERAGE.

SO YOU'LL SEE OUR FENCING WILL COME THROUGH HERE AND THEN THERE'LL BE BRICK UH, BUILDINGS ON THE BACKSIDE WITH THE SITE PROOF RIGHT HERE.

SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S MOST OF THE MODIFICATIONS WE MADE.

UH, WE HAD, UH, ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

I THINK LYDIA LEE'S HERE TONIGHT.

SHE MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, BUT, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE EFFORT OF THE NEIGHBORS GETTING TOGETHER AND, UH, MR. B AND HAVING THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER 30 YEARS COMING WITH THIS USE.

SO ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.

ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DO.

I HAVE A FEW.

UM, LET'S SEE.

THE, UH, DESCRIPTION OF THE POD WAS DECORATIVE SECURITY FENCING ON THE SOUTH AND EAST.

AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SO OUR PLAN IS JUST IRON FENCING EXCEPT FOR THIS AREA HERE, BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS BRICK BACKED.

ALL THIS IS BRICK BACKED.

AND SO WE'LL PLAN ON HAVING IRON FENCING WITH A BRICK WALL, WHICH IS KIND OF UNIQUE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE FENCING AND THEN IRON FENCING WITH THE BRICK WALL, IRON FENCING, SITE PROOF FENCING HERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ARE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE.

COMMISSIONER WINTER.

ON THE, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

IS THAT GONNA BE IRON FENCING RIGHT NEXT TO A BRICK BUILDING? YES, SIR.

BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE ANY CAR TRAFFIC BACK HERE.

THE THE CARS WILL TRAVEL THIS WAY, BUT WE NEEDED SECURITY AND WE NEEDED FENCING.

AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A NASTY LOOKING WOODEN FENCE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NEXT TO A BRICK BUILDING.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING IN WITH IRON FENCING THERE.

SO REALLY THE, WE THINK IT'S MORE ATTRACTIVE, HENCE MAYBE MY WORD DECORATIVE.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, THERE WOULDN'T BE A GAP BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE BUILDING? WELL, I GUESS THEY'RE, I MEAN, SMALL AND WHATEVER, I MEAN YEAH, SMALL, JUST CONSTRUCTION NECESSARY.

UM, THERE'S KIND OF, WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE EDGE OF THAT FENCE GONNA BE? IS IT GONNA BE AROUND THE PROPERTY LINE? IT'LL BE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

THERE'S A KIND OF RATTY BARBED WIRE FENCE THAT'S KIND OF FALLING DOWN KIND OF TOGETHER AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT SPOTS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT'LL HAVE TO BE CLEANED OUT.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, RED CEDARS IN THERE THAT ARE GONNA GO AWAY AND WE'LL MEET, OF COURSE, ALL THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, BUT ALL THAT'S GONNA COME OUT WHEN A FENCING HAS TO GET TORN OUT.

WELL, THERE IS A LOT OF TREES RIGHT THERE.

UH, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST RED CEDAR AND, UM, ARE THOSE GONNA BE, AND AND IT SLOPES OFF TO THE STREET VERY SEVERELY MM-HMM .

AND, UM, I'M, HOW IS THAT, SO HOW FAR IS THAT OFF THE, UH, OFF THE CURB? HOW FAR IS THAT OFF THE CURB? YEAH.

OH GUY.

DO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT AERIAL CHRISTIE THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO SEE? IT'S NOT FAR FROM IT.

UH, I KNOW THAT THE, UH, IT'S IN, I THINK IT'S FLIPPED, BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER AS FAR AS HOW FAR IT IS FROM THE CURB TOP OF CURB IN CANYON PARK TO THAT FENCE LINE.

I'M NOT SURE.

I KNOW IT'S OVERGROWN.

AND THERE IS, AND I, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT A TREE INVENTORY.

THERE'S A LOT OF SCRUB OAKS AND A LOT OF CEDARS.

THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE SPECIMEN TREES ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

NOW, RODNEY'S BEEN ON THAT PROPERTY FOR 32 YEARS AND HE CAN SPEAK TO IT BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT WE GOT IN HIS TRUCK AND DROVE ALL AROUND IT ON FRIDAY.

I MEAN, LITERALLY ALL AROUND IT.

UH, AND HE WAS POINTING OUT, A LOT OF IT IS LEFT OVER THAT'S GROWN UP ON THE FENCE LINE AND THAT'S WHAT'S MOSTLY DOWN IN HERE.

AND I THINK MR. ER, I MEAN, MR. EQUIPMENT WAS AT, UH, OR HIS SON WAS AT MY OFFICE ON THURSDAY NIGHT, AND I DON'T IF HE HAD ANY MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM OR NOT, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH RESPECT TO HIS PROPERTY BACK DOWN THERE.

AND, UH, THERE IS GONNA BE A BRICK WALL THAT'S GONNA BE RIGHT OFF THAT CURB, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO CANYON PARK.

UM, AND SO IT'LL BE COMPLIANT WITH, UH, DUMPSTER USAGE AND PLACEMENT AND ALL THAT, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE AND SO FORTH.

ABSOLUTELY.

OF COURSE, THAT'S A SITE PLAN ISSUE, BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DEVIATION OR VARIANCE

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AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT, SO I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED IT.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE HERE, WHICH I GUESS THEORETICALLY ANYBODY CAN THROW ANYTHING OVER THE FENCE THAT THEY WANT.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE WE COULD GREAT.

PROVIDE MORE SECURITY, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH IN CANYON PARK.

MY OFFICE IS IN CANYON PARK.

UH, PEOPLE COME AND USE MY DUMPSTER ALL THE TIME, , AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO HOP A FENCE TO DO IT, BUT WE'RE UNDER, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT BEING A CONCERN, BUT WE'LL MONITOR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR USERS JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WILL.

BUT WE WILL HAVE ADEQUATE SANITATION REQUIREMENTS PER CITY ORDINANCE.

I HAVE ONE FOR YOU, TODD.

UM, ARE THESE CLIMATE CONTROLLED FACILITIES? UH, THERE'S A FEW CLIMATE CONTROLLED, I BELIEVE THIS RIGHT, RODNEY, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS CLIMATE CONTROLLED.

AND IS ONE OTHER ON THE NORTH END? ON THE NORTH END? CHRISY KEY SLIDE UP TO ARE THE, WE HAVE TWO, THERE WILL BE HVAC UNIT'S GONNA BE ON THE TOP OR WHERE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THIS IS GREG MASSEY, THE ENGINEER OF RECORD.

HE'S NOT THE ARCHITECT, SO HE MAY NOT BE A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK IT TO BEFORE THE MP.

WHAT'S THAT? I SAID BEFORE THE .

OH.

SO I WOULD IMAGINE I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT FOR SITE PLANNING ON HVAC EQUIPMENT ON MANY STORAGE.

IF WE DO, I'D ASK DIRECTOR BRIAN TO TELL ME WHAT IT IS.

IT'S GOTTA BE ON THE GROUND AND BE SCREENED.

THERE SHOULD BE, OR WAS THERE PROVIDED A MISSING NEIGHBORHOOD COMPONENT BASED MARKET STUDY FOR THIS PROPERTY? GO AHEAD AND ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.

WELL, IT'LL BE ON THE GROUND AND BE SCREENED.

IT WON'T BE UP ON TOP.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ALRIGHT, ASSIST.

GOOD QUESTION.

NO, NO OUTDOOR STORAGE.

NO, SIR.

THAT'LL BE ALL YOUR HONOR.

, YEAH, I GOT NOTHING FOR YOU.

ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, ANY, UH, PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPERTY? IF SO, PLEASE COME TO THE MIC AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US.

HI, I'M ROGER SHORT, UH, 2001 TURTLE CREEK.

UH, YOU CAN'T SEE MY HOUSE OFF OF THAT, JUST IN THAT BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER.

UM, JUST EAST OF THE RETENTION POND.

UM, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS.

I GREW UP IN EDMOND.

I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 89.

SO I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE, THE GROWTH ASPECTS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH IN THIS CITY.

UM, MY PRIMARY CONCERN WITH NOT JUST THIS, UH, STORAGE FACILITY OR ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THIS, UH, SIX ACRES OR APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES, IS THE WATER RUNOFF.

UH, CURRENTLY, UH, THIS, UH, WATER COURSE FEEDS INTO SPRING CREEK, UM, AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT LITTLE SQUIGGLE, UM, IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER.

SO I'VE ALREADY REPLACED OR FIXED A RETAINING WALL.

I KNOW ONE OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS HAS ALREADY FIXED, REPLACED A RETAINING WALL.

AND THAT'S JUST FROM THE HISTORIC WATER FLOW THAT GOES THROUGH, UH, THIS WATERCOURSE TO, UH, SPRING CREEK.

SO MY CONCERN IS, IS WHEN YOU CHANGE THE, UH, GROUND FROM UNDISTURBED TO A DEVELOPED, UH, CONCRETE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE, THAT WATER THAT'S GONNA BE COLLECTED BY THAT CONCRETE WILL BE DIRECTED JUST BY THE TOPOGRAPH OF THE, THE LAND THERE TO THE RETAINING THE RETENTION POND, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL SIZE FROM WHENEVER THE, THAT LOT WAS DESIGNED YEARS AGO.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WILL BE AT ADEQUATE FOR THE NEW, UH, SURFACE FLOW THAT'S GONNA BE DIRECTED INTO THAT RETENTION POND.

AND THEN AT THAT BOW FOR THAT WATERCOURSE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF WATER DEPOSITED IN ONE SPOT, I MEAN, JUST ROUGH ESTIMATES, UM, THAT JUST SLIGHTLY, UH, SMALLER THAN SIX ACRES, IT'S GONNA COLLECT WITH ONE INCH OF, OF RAINFALL OF 162 GALLONS, 162,000 GALLONS OF WATER.

UH, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER THE MEZZAT.

UM, FOR OKLAHOMA IT SAYS THAT WE GET AN AVERAGE OF 36 INCHES OF RAIN A YEAR.

SO THAT'S GONNA PUT APPROXIMATELY 5.8 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER IN ADDITION THROUGH THAT WATERCOURSE BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES OF IMPERMEABLE SERVICE, UH, SURFACE THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT THERE, WHETHER IT'S A STORAGE FACILITY OR NOT.

SO MY CONCERN IS HAVING ALREADY HAD TO REPLACE BECAUSE OF HISTORIC WATER DAMAGE.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO REPLACE AGAIN EVEN SOONER BECAUSE OF A HIGHER CONCENTRATED AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WILL NOW GO THROUGH THAT AREA.

UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UH, FIRST IS BASED ON THE EDMOND PLAN FOR 2018, UM,

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WE'LL HAVE 'EM ASK ANSWER AT THE ANSWER.

UM, THE NEXT WOULD BE, UM, THE YELLOW ZONING DISTRICTS MUST CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE PUBLIC BENEFIT AND APPLICABLE, UH, PERFORMANCE CRITERIA.

HAS THIS MET THAT CRITERIA THAT IS, UM, DISCUSSED IN THE EDMOND PLAN OF 2018? REPEAT THAT FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION.

I'M SORRY.

THE, THE YELLOW ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR PUD, UM, MUST CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE PUBLIC BENEFIT AND APPLICABLE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA.

SO MY QUESTION IS WHETHER THERE WAS A, UM, MARKET STUDY DONE OR BY SOME OTHER MEANS, HOW IS THIS DEEMED NECESSARY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN BASED ON THE WATER, EVEN IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WERE TO CONTINUE, SHOULDN'T THIS FALL UNDER TITLE 23 FOR STORM WATER DRAINAGE BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED FLOW INTO THAT WATER CAUSEWAY OR WATERCOURSE? UM, AND THEN FINALLY, OR NOT FINALLY, I HAVE TWO OTHER COMMENTS THERE.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE RV STORAGE, WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED OUTDOOR STORAGE POSSIBLY, BUT I'M NOT SURE BASED ON THE RENDERING HERE, HOW RVS ARE GOING TO WORK OR HOW THAT'S GONNA EVEN BE ABLE TO INGRESS EGRESS FROM THAT PROPERTY.

WHICH, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA OF 15TH STREET VERY, IT, IT'S A 40 MILE PER HOUR ZONE.

AND I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND FIVE PEOPLE THAT DRIVE 40 MILES PER HOUR ON THAT STRIP OF 15.

UM, THE INGRESS EGRESS FOR MOTOR HOMES OR ANYBODY IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT THERE OR CUTOUTS GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND GET OUT SAFELY.

UH, AND THEN WITH THE ADDITION OF, WITH THE FACT THAT SOME OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE CLIMATE CONTROLLED AND WE JUST DISCUSSED THE AC UNITS.

I I KNOW THIS IS MORE OF A, UH, MAYBE AESTHETIC OR LIVING QUALITY THING, BUT HOW MUCH NOISE IS THAT GONNA CREATE ALL DAY LONG WHERE MY BACK DECK IS APPROXIMATELY 20 YARDS FROM THAT, UM, CLIMATE CONTROL BUILDING.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPERTY? THANK YOU.

SCOTT BARROW, UH, 2016 TURTLE CREEK, UH, ROGER.

GREAT JOB.

UM, DID YOU SAY BARROW BARROW? B-A-R-R-O-W.

UM, ONLY, ONLY QUESTION I HAD, UM, ROGER COVERED IT PRETTY MUCH WAS THERE IS A GRAVESTONE THERE.

UM, THE GUY WAS BURIED IN 1925, UH, HOWARD BOOTH.

SO WHAT IS THE CITY'S PLAN AT EXUM IN THE BODY? UM, YOU KNOW, OR DOES THAT CAUSE A AN ISSUE WITH THIS PLANNING AND THERE'S PICTURE OF EVIDENCE TOO.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.

KERRY REDDING, 2005 TURTLE CREEK ROAD.

UM, MY HOUSE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ROGER SCHWARZ HOUSE AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBOR.

THERE'S THREE OF US RIGHT THERE IN THAT ARE BUMPED UP AGAINST THIS PROPERTY.

UM, FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, WE'VE SHARED MANY CONCERNS WITH THE DEVELOPER.

UM, PART OF THE REASON WHY MANY OF US MOVED INTO THAT AREA WAS BECAUSE OF THE COVERAGE OF TREES.

AND WE KNOW THERE'S A POTENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN SAID THAT THE TREES WILL BE LEFT ALONE, THERE'S ALWAYS THAT POTENTIAL THAT THAT COULD CHANGE IN ADDITION TO THAT TO HAVE YET ANOTHER STRUCTURE BACK THERE.

THAT'S A BUSINESS STRUCTURE AS PART OF YOUR BACKYARD IS NOT IDEAL WHEN YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME OUTSIDE.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS AS FAR AS THE NOISE POLLUTION, THE LIGHT POLLUTION, THE TRAFFIC, THE POTENTIAL, UM, FOR MANY ISSUES, BUT NAMELY THE WATER RUNOFF AS WELL AS ROGER HAD ALREADY MENTIONED, WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE SPENT AN UPWARDS OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ALREADY WITH RETAINING WALLS.

AND THIS IS GONNA CONSIDERABLY CONCERN OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS CREEK ALREADY OVERFLOWS, IT OVERFLOWS INTO THE GREEN BELT THAT RUNS RIGHT NEXT TO 15TH STREET AND OFTEN OVER IT, AND THEN BACK UP HAZELHURST, WHICH IS PART OF OUR AREA THERE, PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THERE'S NO WAY THAT EXTRA WATER ISN'T GOING.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT AS ELOQUENTLY AS MR. SHORT DID, BUT I CAN ATTEST TO YOU JUST FROM LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS NO WAY THAT EXTRA WATER FROM ANY STRUCTURE ISN'T GOING TO CONTINUE TO CAUSE AN EVEN BIGGER ISSUE

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THAN WE ALREADY HAVE.

UM, WHAT WE HAVE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, MUCH LESS ADDING TO THAT PROBLEM.

MY OTHER CONCERN IS TREES AND AESTHETICS AND JUST THAT THOSE THINGS BE ADDRESSED WITH THE DEVELOPER.

THERE'S BEEN A SHOW OF INTEREST ON HIS PART OF ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS, UM, EVENTUALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW THE PROTOCOL FOR THAT, BUT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE THINGS IN WRITING AT SOME POINT.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

WHAT WAS YOUR LAST NAME? I APOLOGIZE.

REDDING.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME'S LYDIA LEE.

I LIVE AT 1517 WALNUT COVE ROAD, WHICH IS THE NEXT STREET OVER FROM THE TURTLE CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT THERE.

UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THIS PART OF EDMOND.

UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER AND MR. MCGINNIS, UH, MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, UH, MAKING A LOT OF CONCESSIONS.

HE MADE CONCESSIONS ON FENCING THE ENTIRE AREA, PUTTING THE SITE PROOF FENCING, UM, AVERTING THE LIGHTS SO THEY DID NOT ENCROACH ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THE SECURITY CAMERAS, MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT PEEKING OVER INTO FENCES.

UM, AND HE'S GIVEN US ASSURANCES ON THAT.

UH, ONE THING THAT IS A MAJOR CONCERN IS THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

AND I WAS INVOLVED WHEN CVS WAS REZONED AND BUILT ON THE CORNER OF 15TH AND BRYAN'S.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS, UM, REQUIRED OF CVS IS THAT THEY CLOSED AT 11:00 PM BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER 24 HOUR OPERATION IN THIS PART OF EDMOND.

NOT A SINGLE OTHER OPERATION LIKE THIS, I ASKED FOR AT LEAST TO CLOSE AT 11:00 PM TO SEVEN OR 6:00 AM BECAUSE AS HE SAID, I MEAN, THERE COULD BE LARGE TRUCKS MOVING IN THERE.

THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS DESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE QUIET AFTER 11:00 PM THAT IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST, BUT HAVING UNLOADING BACKING IN EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA, AT MIDNIGHT NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE IS, IS A PRETTY BIG ASK.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT, THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS BE LIMITED TO 11 TO TO SIX CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS ON, ON REZONING AND AND A PUD IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE WOULD ASK FOR THAT.

UM, THE LAST THING THAT I WANNA MENTION, AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY A LOT MORE PEOPLE AREN'T HERE TONIGHT ON THIS ITEM IS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE THE NOTICE SIGN THAT IS POSTED ON THIS PROPERTY.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU DROVE DOWN THERE, BUT FROM 15TH STREET, YOU CANNOT SEE THE SIGN IT IS POSTED AT THE BACK OF THE BANK.

AND I'VE GOT A PICTURE HERE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THE SIGN.

AND I'LL, I'M, IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE IT, I'M HAPPY TO, TO CIRCULATE THIS.

UM, YOU CANNOT SEE THE SIGN FROM 15, I'D ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT IT.

SO NO ONE ELSE CAN SEE IT.

YOU WANT ME TO PASS THIS? YEAH, PLEASE.

NOW ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT IS TO GIVE NOTICE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND RESIDENTS TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A REZONING GOING ON.

OH, SORRY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AT THE MEETING, WE LEARNED THAT THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY ALSO OWNS LAND ALL THE WAY TO 15TH STREET LAND SUFFICIENT TO PUT THIS SIGN SO THAT PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE NOTICE OF THIS REZONING.

AND YET THE SIGN IS AT THE VERY BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DID ASK THE CITY AND THE CITY TOLD THEM, OH YEAH, THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE TO HIDE THE SIGN BEHIND THE BANK

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AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED AND IT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED BEFORE THIS MATTER GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE THE THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS.

SO WE WOULD ASK THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION BE LIMITED OR THIS BE DENIED BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

MY NAME IS BRIAN ARMSTRONG, 2104 TURTLE CREEK ROAD.

I REPRESENT THE HOA OF THE TURTLE CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO MR. RODNEY.

YOU KNOW, WE MET ON SUNDAY AND I THINK I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THE NEIGHBORS APPRECIATED YOUR TIME COMING OUT AND, AND TALKING TO US.

I THINK WE SHARE THE SAME CONCERN, UH, OF THE WATER RUNNER.

THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN THAT WE CAN SUBMIT, UH, PICTURES AND DOCUMENTS TO THE BOARD OF HOW MUCH THE HOA SPENDS EVERY YEAR ON JUST CLEANING UP OUR GREEN BELT, UH, THAT THIS WATER FLOWS INTO.

IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND WE DON'T TAKE A LOT OF HOA DUES IN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ARE A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD, TOTAL CREEK.

UM, SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME, VOLUNTEER TIME AND ALSO A LOT OF THE DUES THAT WE TAKE IN TO, TO CLEAN UP THAT GREEN BELT.

AND THERE'S A GOOD CONCERN THAT THIS WOULD, UH, JUST CREATE A SITUATION WHERE WE JUST COULD NOT KEEP UP WITH THE CLEANUP OF, OF THE GREEN BELT.

UM, I DID DO SOME RESEARCH, UH, ON, ON THE CITI WEBSITE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF STUDY, SOME SORT OF ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, WATER STUDY ON HOW THIS IS GONNA IMPACT THE WATER FLOW.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

GOOD EVENING.

JIM JACKSON, 1609 HAZELHURST.

I ALSO SERVE ON THE BOARD AT, UH, TURTLE CREEK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

UM, ONE THING THAT'S NOT BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT, THEREFORE I'M HERE TO MENTION IT, IS WHEN WE HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF RAIN AND THERE IS AN OVERFLOW, IT DOES GO OVER 15TH STREET AND WITH IT GOES THE DEBRIS AND A LOT OF IT COLLECTS AT THE DRAIN RIGHT THERE ON 15TH AS YOU'RE TURNING INTO TURTLE CREEK ROAD.

AND IT COLLECTS TO THE MATTER THAT THE CITY HAS TO COME OUT AND CLEAR THE DEBRIS OFF OF 15TH BECAUSE IT IS A TRAFFIC HAZARD.

I KNOW TOO THAT THERE ARE TWO DRAINS THAT GO UNDER 15TH.

THERE ARE THREE LARGE PIPES GO UNDER ON ONE OF THE DRAINS, AND THEN THERE'S A SMALLER PIPE ON.

UM, THE OPPOSITE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT, THAT ALSO GOES, THAT SMALL DRAIN IS INSUFFICIENT, UM, IN MOVING THE DEBRIS IT COLLECTS THERE, UH, AND IT BECOMES LIKE A DAM, IF YOU WILL.

AND WE END UP HAVING TO GO AND CUT IT UP.

I WAS OUT THERE LAST WEEK CUTTING IT UP AND I FILLED A WHOLE DUMPSTER FULL AND I'M NOT DONE.

SO I GET TO GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN.

BUT IT IS A MANUAL PROCESS FOR US TO HAVE TO CONTINUALLY ADDRESS IT.

AND BRIAN, WE, UH, REFERENCED HOW WE'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY AND IT'S A LOT OF TIME.

WE RENTED A BACKHOE LAST YEAR FROM HOME DEPOT.

WE HAD FIVE RESIDENTS THAT WERE OUT THERE DREDGING THE DIRT OUT OF THE DRAIN SO THE WATER COULD FLOW THROUGH.

IT'S A SILT THAT COMES IN, IT BUILDS UP YEAR AFTER YEAR.

IT GETS SO HIGH AT POINTS THAT THE CITY HAS TO COME IN AND DREDGE IT AND CLEAN IT OUT BECAUSE THE WATER'S GOING INTO 15TH TOO QUICKLY BECAUSE THE SILT IS BUILT UP SO HIGH THAT IT DOESN'T HOLD THE SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF WATER.

AND ONE OTHER ITEM IN REGARDS TO THE PLOT AND THE PLAN, THIS SECTION'S BEING CALLED A RETENTION POND.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S BEING CALLED A RETENTION POND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T RETAIN WATER.

IT TOTALLY RUNS OFF THAT LAND.

TO ME.

A RETENTION POND IS SOMETHING THAT IS DUG.

THE EARTH IS REMOVED, IT'S DUG DEEP, AND IT BECOMES A POND AND IT DOES HOLD EXCESS WATER.

UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THE RETENTION POND NEEDS TO BE MORE SIZABLE OR, OR SOMETHING THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL CONCRETE.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? JUST REAL QUICK? I I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BEEN COVERED.

SORRY.

MY NAME IS HEATHER HOLLAND AND I LIVE AT 2000 TURTLE CREEK AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 22 YEARS.

UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, I'M, I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I'M THE PROPERTY RIGHT THERE WITH THE POOL, SO I'M RIGHT ALONG THE CREEK.

UM, HAD TO SPEND A VERY SIZABLE AMOUNT FOR A NEW RETAINING WALL.

UH, THE WATER, IT FLOWS, IT FLOWS REALLY WELL ALREADY.

AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONCRETE, UM, AS EVERYBODY HAS EXPRESSED, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GO ON RECORD AS WELL.

SO I THINK THEY'VE ALL, YOU KNOW, SAID IT PROBABLY BETTER THAN I COULD.

BUT AGAIN, IT, IT'S A REAL CONCERN.

UM, AS THE WATER ALREADY FLOWS PRETTY RAPIDLY,

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ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM ANYBODY SEEING NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED AT THE MOMENT.

SO NOW WE WILL TURN TO, UM, ASKING THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK AND ANSWER A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE.

TODD, I KNOW YOU WERE MAKING A LIST OVER THERE.

I DID.

AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANNA BE A PART OF THAT.

I DID.

I'VE GOT SEVEN PEOPLE CAME UP HERE.

I MADE NOTES ON EACH ONE OF 'EM.

AND SO, UH, LET ME ADDRESS, I'LL DO THE GRAVESTONE A MINUTE, BUT LET ME ADDRESS THE WATER.

AND THIS IS ALWAYS DIFFICULT FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT THIS IS A RULE IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.

THERE'S ALREADY A PROBLEM THAT EXISTS IN TURTLE CREEK THAT THIS DEVELOPER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH.

THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS VERY STRINGENT ORDINANCES AND RULES THAT SAY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW WATER TO LEAVE OUR SITE AT ANY GREATER SPEED OR ANY GREATER VOLUME POST-DEVELOPMENT THAN IT DOES TODAY.

SO THAT'S THE RULE.

THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE DEVELOPER.

THAT'S THE BURDEN ON HIS ENGINEER TO SATISFY KEITH BEATTY AND THE STORMWATER ADVISORY BOARD AND ANYBODY ELSE.

SO IF THAT RETENTION POND NEEDS TO BE DUG DEEPER OR IF IT NEEDS TO HAVE BETTER MAINTAIN WATER, IT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN PER CITY ORDINANCE.

WE, WE CANNOT DO THAT NOW.

I CAN'T, WE CAN'T FIX THE PROBLEM THAT TURTLE CREEK HAS HAD SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME.

EVERYBODY THAT DRIVES DOWN 53, WE SEE THE S SLUDGE THAT'S OUT THERE AND WE KNOW THAT IT EXISTS.

JUST LIKE AS AN EXAMPLE, BRYANT SQUARE WAS BUILT BEFORE WE HAD ANY DETENTION REQUIREMENTS.

WATER RUNS OUTTA BRYANT SQUARE WITH NO RETENTION, NO DETENTION BECAUSE IT'S NOTHING BUT CONCRETE AND ASPHALT.

SINCE THAT TIME, EDMOND HAS DEVELOPED REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT SUCH THAT YOU CANNOT ALLOW WATER TO GO OFF YOUR SITE FASTER OR AT GREATER VOLUMES POST DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL APPLY TO THIS SITE, THAT WILL APPLY TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT RETENTION POND EXISTS TODAY.

SO THAT WATER IS HELD IN THAT LOCATION EITHER VISIBLY OR INVISIBLY SO THAT IT LEAVES THE SITE LIKE IT DID BEFORE THOSE THOSE BUSINESSES WERE BUILT.

THAT RULE WILL APPLY.

AND SO THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT.

AND NOBODY EVER LIKES THAT.

THAT COMES UP EVERY TIME WE'RE HERE.

WHEN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR A DEVELOPMENT ALREADY HAS A WATER PROBLEM THAT THIS IS GONNA SOMEHOW ADD TO IT.

I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I KNOW THAT'S THE BURDEN ON THE ENGINEER AND THE CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS, BOTH FOR OUR SITE AND THE OFFSITE.

THAT'S, IT'S NOT MY RULE.

THAT'S THE RULE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

SO I, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY WHEN IT PERTAINS TO THAT.

THE IDEA ABOUT THE GRAVESTONE, THERE'S NO BODY THAT'S BURIED ON THAT SITE.

UH, THAT GRAVESTONE, I THINK IT'S FROM 2011 TO 18 OR SOMETHING THAT WAS AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT IN DEER CREEK THAT WAS REMOVED BY RODNEY AT THE REQUEST OF ONE OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS.

IT'S JUST SITTING THERE.

THERE'S NO BODY UNDERNEATH IT OR THERE'S NO HUMAN BODY UNDERNEATH IT, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S A GREAT URBAN LEGEND.

KINDA LIKE THE CIRCUS OVER ON KELLY OR WHATEVER.

SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

LET ME MENTION A COUPLE OTHER USES THAT COULD GO IN THERE.

RIGHT NOW.

A FITNESS FACILITY COULD GO IN THERE, RIGHT? TODAY A VETERINARIAN COULD GO IN THERE, A MEDICAL RESEARCH LABORATORY COULD GO IN THERE TODAY.

ANY OFFICE COULD GO IN THERE TODAY.

AND IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE IMPACT OF MANY STORAGE IS ONE OF THE LEAST IMPACTFUL DEVELOPMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC AND NOISE THAT CAN EXIST IN THE COMMERCIAL SETTING.

SO THE IDEA ABOUT THE HVAC EQUIPMENT THAT EXISTS OR THAT WILL EXIST FOR THE CLIMATE CONTROLLED THAT IS NOT UNIQUE, UH, TO MANY STORAGE.

AND A MATTER OF FACT, IF THERE WAS A FITNESS FACILITY IN THERE WITH A POOL, THE NOISE WOULD BE EXPONENTIALLY GREATER.

AND THAT IS ALLOWED TO GO IN THERE TODAY BY, RIGHT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION BECAUSE THERE MAY BE HVAC NOISE TRAFFIC IS DE MINIMIS WHEN IT COMES TO A MINI STORAGE.

MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS ON THE WEEKENDS WHEN THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS.

THAT'S A RULE.

THAT'S HOW THAT HAPPENS IN BUSINESS.

I DID THE MINI STORAGE AT DANFORTH AND COLTRANE THAT BACKS RIGHT UP TO FAIR CLOUD.

THAT WAS A BIG DEAL WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT.

IT HAS EXISTED SINCE I THINK ABOUT 2016 WITHOUT ISSUE.

UH, THE TREE COVERAGE, THAT'S A SITE PLAN ISSUE.

WE'VE SAID THERE WILL NOT BE ANY VARIANCES IN OUR APPLICATION WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND WILL BE BACK.

IT'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

THESE PEOPLE WILL GET NOTICE AND BE ABLE TO COME HERE AND TALK ABOUT THOSE ISSUES.

OUR PLAN WILL BE VERY DETAILED WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

UH, SO THE TREE AESTHETICS THAT MRS. REDDING TALKED ABOUT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME.

I WILL SAY ONE THING TO CORRECT LYDIA LEE WHO SAID THAT THE CITY SAID FINE TO HIDE THE SIGN.

I NEVER SAID THE CITY SAID, IT'S FINE FOR YOU TO HIDE YOUR SIGN.

WHAT I DID SAY TO LYDIA WAS WHEN THE SIGN WAS INSTALLED FOR THE NOTICE, WE ASK THE CITY IF THAT IS ADEQUATE TO MEET THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND BY THE SIGNED CONTRACTOR THAT INSTALLED IT.

WE'RE SIMPLY TOLD IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS.

SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY AT THE CITY WOULD EVER SAY IT'S OKAY TO HIDE SOMETHING.

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SO, UH, THE IDEA ABOUT, UH, IMPACT STUDY.

THE, UH, THE EDMOND PLAN GOES INTO GREAT DETAIL AS TO WHAT IS USED IN SUBURBAN INFILL OR ANY OTHER USE WITHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF EDMOND, UH, THE USE FOR THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS ALLOWED PER THAT.

THE REASON PUDS ARE YELLOW AND THE EDMOND PLAN IS 'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN A PUD UNTIL YOU READ IT.

SO YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S GONNA BE GREEN.

THAT'S THE SIMPLE ANSWER.

IT COMES UP EVERY TIME WE DO A PUD AND SOMEONE SAYS, WITH GREAT INTELLIGENCE, HEY, IT'S YELLOW.

SO THEY NEED TO REALLY PROVE IT.

WELL.

THE PUD STANDS ON ITSELF BY SHOWING IT'S AN ALLOWED USE.

IT SUPPORTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WILL BE SUPPORTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT DOESN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING THAT'S EXTRANEOUS OR OUTSIDE OF THE NORM WITH RESPECT TO THE EDMOND PLAN 2018.

THAT'S WHY IT'S YELLOW, TO SEE THAT IT'S NOT JUST RUBBER STAMPED AS GREEN WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHAT MIGHT BE IN THE PUD.

SO, UH, I CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

UH, I THINK I ADDRESSED TALK ABOUT QUICKLY THE INGRESS EGRESS WITH THE RV STORAGE AS THE TWO OTHER COMMENTS I THINK WERE MADE BY MR. SHORT.

YEAH, I THINK MR. SHORT SAID THAT.

LEMME LOOK BACK MY NOTES.

THE IDEA ABOUT OUR, THE ENTRANCE.

CAN YOU BRING THAT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, CHRISTIE? YEAH.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS OUR PROPERTY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO 15TH STREET.

IT'S A COMMON DRIVE THAT EXISTS TODAY WITH RESPECT TO THE BANK THAT WE DEVELOPED FOR THE BANK.

AND SO, YEAH, I THINK THE ISSUE ABOUT THE, UH, ABILITY TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY WILL MEET CITY OF EDMOND REQUIREMENTS WITH THE SIZE OF OUR DRIVE TO GET IN THERE.

UH, THE IDEA AS TO WHERE THEY'LL BE AND HOW THEY'LL TURN AROUND, I THINK THAT'S MOSTLY GONNA HAPPEN UP HERE.

'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK OUR BIGGER USERS TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE SITE.

THAT WOULD BE UNATTRACTIVE TO THEM.

IT'D MAKE A SET A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE IN THE MARKETPLACE.

UH, AND SO YOU'LL SEE MOST OF THAT WILL BE HOUSED AT THE NORTH END JUST BECAUSE OF THE PRACTICAL NATURE OF IT.

ACCESS OFF OF 15TH STREET THAT'LL NEVER BE LIGHTED, UH, ACROSS FROM PANERA, IS NEVER GONNA BE LIGHTED.

NONE OF THOSE LINE UP.

THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT EXISTS BEFORE WE GOT HERE.

THE WARD FAMILY OWNS PROPERTY THERE ON THE NORTH.

AT SOME POINT THAT'S GONNA DEVELOP THE PROBLEM ON 15TH STREET IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY.

AND THE USE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT AT ANY HIGH USAGE HOURS.

UH, THAT MIGHT BE A CONCERN COMPARED TO ANOTHER USE THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED BY LAW.

I THINK I, IF I DIDN'T, IT WASN'T ON PURPOSE.

SO IF, LEMME SEE MR. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION, I THINK THERE WAS THE HOURS OF OPERATION WAS THE QUESTION.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT AT THIS TIME OR NOT.

YOU SAID THE HOURS OF OPERATION, MR. GLENDALE.

YES.

THERE'S NO ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

SO, UH, AND I HEARD WHAT LYDIA SAID.

THERE ARE MANY STORAGE UNITS ALL OVER THE CITY OF EDMOND TO OPERATE 24 HOURS A DAY WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS.

UH, WE AGREED TO REDUCE OURS EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO, TO A NUMBER THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DID AT FAIR CLOUD.

IT'S 12 TO SIX.

I MEAN, THE IDEA OF PEOPLE COMING IN THERE LATE IN ONE HOUR WHEN WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.

IT'S NOT A CONDITION TO ZONING.

I HEARD WHAT LIBYA SAID ABOUT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S TYPICALLY A USE.

UH, THE IDEA OF ONE HOUR ARBITRARILY LESS OR MORE, UH, 11 TO, OR 12 TO SIX IS WHAT WE'RE OFFERING TO DO.

I, I THINK, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE RV.

IS THERE RV PARKING? I THINK THAT WAS NO.

RODNEY SAYS NO, THERE'S NOT.

OKAY, SO SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I, NO, I THINK SO.

I THOUGHT WHEN BRIAN ASKED ABOUT ON THE TRAFFIC COMING IN, THAT WAS, I ADDRESSED THAT, SO I WASN'T TRYING TO AVOID THAT.

YEAH, NO RV.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT IS, IT WILL BE COMING AT US TO FOLLOW THAT CONVERSATION.

UH, I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED.

UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION.

UM, I'VE SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME IN ONE OF THE BACKYARDS IN ONE OF THE HOUSES IN TURTLE CREEK COVE THERE.

AND MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE WATER RUNOFF.

I GET THAT YOU'RE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.

IS THERE ANY ASSURANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT GETS BUILT? YOU'RE IN APPLYING COMPLIANCE WITH THE, WITH THE CODE THAT IF IT DOES HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES, ARE THEY JUST OUT OF LUCK? OR HOW, WHAT IS THEIR ASSURANCE THERE THAT IF WE PASS THIS, UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE STEALING YOU MR. TO SPEAK? THAT ISSUE COMES UP ACROSS, I MEAN, IT USUALLY COMES UP IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY'RE MAD THAT THE DEVELOPER DOES IT AND LEAVES A CRAPPY DETENTION POND THAT LEAKS MM-HMM .

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE HOA HAS GOT A $10,000 BILL A YEAR TO PUT GUNITE OR SOMETHING ALONG THE POND TO KEEP IT FROM LEAKING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY HAS A SYSTEM FOR BONDING OR CONSTRUCTION.

MR. BEATTY, CAN YOU KIND OF HELP ME WITH THAT? WELL, I MEAN, WHEN THEY FIRST BUILD IT, THEY'LL HAVE TO PUT UP A TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND ON THE POND IN THE BEGINNING.

BUT AFTER THAT, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT ONCE THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD'S UP, UM, AS THINGS ARE PROGRESSING WITH WATER QUALITY, AT SOME FUTURE POINT, THE CITY WILL HAVE TO START LOOKING AT ALL THESE DETENTION PONDS WITHIN THE CITY OF EDMOND TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE BEING MAINTAINED BY THE DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS IN A MANNER THEY, THEY WERE DESIGNED IN.

NOW, WHEN THAT START STARTS AND GETS PUT UPON US BY STATE REQUIREMENTS,

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SO RIGHT NOW, THERE CURRENTLY IS NOT A DETENTION, THE RETENTION POND, YOU GUYS WILL BE DIGGING THE DETENTION POND NOW THAT, THAT, I'LL SAY POND.

SO POND'S A MISNOMER.

RIGHT.

PEOPLE PICTURE WATER, UH, IT'S A RETENTION FACILITY.

IT IS A DEPRESSION THAT HOLDS WATER THAT COMES OFF THIS SITE.

IT COMES FROM THE NORTH, DOESN'T IT? YEAH, IT'S A DETENTION TO POND, NOT A RETENTION POND.

AND SO IT FUNCTIONS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT NOW, UH, IT WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE TO BE IMPROVED BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA MEET HYDROLOGICAL STANDARDS THAT, THAT MR. MASSEY HAS TO SHOW THE CITY OF EDMOND THAT SHOWS IT'S ADEQUATE OR IT HAS TO BE IMPROVED TO BE ADEQUATE SO THAT WHEN WATER GOES INTO THAT FACILITY AND LEACHES INTO THE CREEK, IT DOESN'T DO IT AT ANY GREATER RATE.

SO THAT SERVES TODAY AS SOME DETENTION FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

IS THAT FLOODPLAIN THE BLUE LINE? YES.

THE BLUE LINE IS THE BLUE CREEK.

LIGHT BLUE SHADE AREA RIGHT HERE.

MM-HMM.

IS THAT A DRIVEWAY OR A HOUSE? OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY FURTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NO, I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, WHEN THE SITE PLAN COMES UP, THEY CAN ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS THEY WANT TO ON, UH, BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN BUILT YET.

THIS WILL BE THE PLAN.

IT'LL BE TIME TO GRILL THE CITY ON THAT.

WELL, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU MY WORD RIGHT NOW.

WHEN WE DO A SITE PLAN AND WE HAVE NOTICE, I'LL MAKE SURE THE CONTRACTOR PUTS A SIGN RIGHT OUT THERE ON 15TH STREET SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THE SAME PEOPLE THAT GOT NOTICE THIS TIME BY MAIL, WHICH IS ANYBODY WITHIN 300 FEET PER CITY ORDINANCE WILL GET NOTICE AGAIN.

AND WE'LL MAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AT MY OFFICE IF THERE'D BE, IF IT'D BE DESIRED BY ANYBODY.

I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

RODNEY CONSIDERS THIS HIS KIND OF RETIREMENT PROJECT.

HE'S BEEN AROUND DOING OIL AND GAS AND DEVELOPMENT MOND FOR 30 YEARS.

AND SO, UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN DISAPPEAR ON ANYBODY.

I KNOW THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY ASSURANCE AS, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU, WE'LL BE HERE FOR SITE PLAN AS WELL.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY MORE COMMENTS? JUST TO CLARIFY, THEY WILL BE BACK FOR THE FINAL SITE PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT'LL GET, A SITE PLAN WILL BE NEXT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WILL HAVE THE DESIGNATIONS WITH THE RETENTION POND AND ALL THOSE AND ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT.

CORRECT.

SWAP LOOKS AT IT, SO, YES, CORRECT.

THANK YOU, JUDGE.

ALRIGHT.

UH, COMMENTS HAVE BEEN CLOSED NOW.

UH, LOOKING FOR A MOTION IN FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.

WE'LL MAKE A MOTION AND A POINT OF CLARITY.

IS IT A, A MOTION CONTINGENT UPON THE RED LINE VERSION OF THE PUD THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT? YES.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND THAT PASSES ON A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND IT WILL BE HEARD FOR THE PUD.

IT WILL BE HEARD ON JANUARY 27TH AT CITY COUNCIL.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR D, CASE NUMBER EPC 24 DASH 0 0 0 0 6 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN AMENDED FINAL PLAT OF THE HIGHLAND PARK CONDITION.

[D. Case No. EPC24-00006; Public Hearing and Consideration of an amended Final Plat for Highland Park Addition, located north of 2nd Street and west of Bryant (City of Edmond; Ward 1) ]

MR. BRYANT, WILL YOU PLEASE PRESENT? YES.

SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, CASEY MOORE FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS GOING TO GIVE US, UM, SOME INFORMATION ON THIS PROGRAM OVERALL, AND THEN WE'LL TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS CASE.

THIS LANGUAGE FROM PLAT DOCUMENTS.

PLANNING COMMISSION.

CASEY MOORE, UH, DIRECTOR OF MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

I WORK IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AS PART OF MY ROLE.

UM, I I DO GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, UH, WITH CITY AND WORK WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT WE WORK WITH.

UM, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UH, WITH OUR LEGISLATORS AT THE STATE LEVEL, UH, RELATED TO DISCRIMINATORY, UH, WORDING IN PLAT DOCUMENTS, DEED DOCUMENTS.

UM, THIS, THIS CAME UP IN A, A VERY HIGH PROFILE WAY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

UH, THROUGH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, SOMEONE GOING THROUGH AND NEEDING TO, UH, CHANGE SOME ZONING FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

UM, ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS, THERE WAS A LENGTH OF TIME IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE, UM, LOTS OF, UH, RESTRICTIVE LANGUAGE WAS USED, UH, TO TRY TO KEEP CERTAIN PEOPLE FROM LIVING AND OWNING CERTAIN PROPERTIES.

THOSE, THOSE HAVE BEEN DEEMED UNCONSTITUTIONAL, UNENFORCEABLE FOR MANY, MANY DECADES.

UM, SO THIS DOESN'T CHANGE ANY OF THAT, THAT THAT'S BEEN SETTLED BY THE COURTS LONG AGO.

ESSENTIALLY, WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, TWO YEARS AGO, THE STATE CHANGED THE STATE LAWS TO ALLOW INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WITH THEIR, THEIR COUNTIES TO REMOVE THESE FROM THEIR DEEDS.

UM, THIS PAST YEAR, THE LAWS CHANGED, UH, ALLOWING CITIES TO GO BACK AND REMOVE

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SO THIS IS OUR FIRST ONE THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD, UH, KIND OF OUR, OUR TEST CASE.

UM, TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA, UM, AS THIS LAW JUST WENT INTO EFFECT IN NOVEMBER.

SO, UM, AFTER THIS WE HAVE 19 MORE THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.

THOSE WILL BE COMING THROUGH IN GROUPS, UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING WITH, WITH HOW THESE PLATS WORK, HOW ANYBODY'S HOME OWNERSHIP.

NOTHING CHANGES OTHER THAN THE REMOVAL OF THIS, UH, THIS DISCRIMINATORY LANGUAGE FROM THESE DOCUMENTS.

SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS.

UH, MR. BRYANT, DO YOU CARE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? YEAH, LET'S TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT HIGHLAND PARK.

YOU CAN SEE IT HERE ON THE SCREEN.

UM, IT'S LOCATED WEST OF BRYANT AND NORTH OF SECOND STREET.

UH, THE PLATS DEVELOPED IN A GRID LAYOUT CONSISTENT WITH PREVAILING PRACTICE.

AT THE TIME IT WAS PLATTED, WHICH WAS, UH, 1907.

UH, CURRENTLY THE AREA INCLUDES A VARIETY OF DWELLING TYPES, A VIBRANT COMMERCIAL AREA ANCHORED BY NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET AND THE LU AND THE OU HEALTH EDMOND MEDICAL CENTER.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE CASE ITSELF, UM, THE AMENDMENT THAT IS BEFORE YOU WOULD STRIKE THE ILLEGAL DISCRIMINATORY LANGUAGE RELATED TO LOTS BEING SOLD TO PERSONS OF AFRICAN DESCENT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF AT THIS TIME.

UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD APPLY RETROACTIVELY AT ALL? ANY, UH, AS JUST GOING FORWARD? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT, IT WOULD, UH, AFFECT ANY OWNERSHIP, ANY TITLE, ANYTHING RETROACTIVELY? NOTHING.

NO.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE CITY STAFF? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO, UH, YOU'RE THE APPLICANT, CASEY, SO YOU ARE GONNA LET YOUR WORDS STAND AS THEY WERE SPOKEN.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, WHICH WE'VE JUST HAD, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANY, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? NO.

ALRIGHT.

PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE CLOSED AND, OH, SORRY.

APOLOGIZE.

YOU HAVE SOMEONE GET MY HAND UP.

, IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

UH, CODY BOYD, 2 3 0 EAST SEVENTH STREET IN EDMOND.

TACKLING NEEDS FOR THE REMAINDER OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND SETTING AN EXAMPLE, UM, FOR OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA.

UH, I'M HERE ON BEHALF AS THE DIRECTOR OF, UH, EDMOND URBANIST.

WE'RE A LOCAL NONPROFIT.

UH, HIS MISSION IS TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, ADVOCATE FOR AND INSPIRE THE NEXT GENERATION OF HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT EDMOND, UH, OKLAHOMA'S FIFTH LARGEST CITY.

UM, WE'RE HERE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM.

UH, PERSONALLY, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CAPITAL VIEW, WHICH HAS, UH, DEEDS WITH THESE TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS.

AND, UH, WHILE IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS AS THE GREAT CHAIN OF TITLE THAT ALSO SHOW A GREAT HISTORY, UH, IN A CASE OF OUR HOUSE GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO, UH, MR. AND MRS. CLEBURNE SELLING OFF, UH, THAT PROPERTY FROM THEIR ORCHARD TO, UH, DEVELOP AND TO BUILD CLE ELEMENTARY ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, HAVING THAT LAST PAGE, UM, SIMILAR TO THE, THE PLA THAT'S SHOWN HERE, UM, FOR HIGHLAND PARK, UH, WITH SUCH A RACIST AND INFLAMMATORY DISCRIMINATORY RESTRICTION ON THERE, UM, IS A STAIN ON, UH, WHAT IS A VERY TREASURED DOCUMENT.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT FOR A HOMEOWNER IN AMERICA, YOUR MORTGAGE, UH, THE CHAIN OF TITLE YOU HAVE TO YOUR HOME IS PROBABLY ONE OF YOUR MOST VALUED POSSESSIONS.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT LEAVES A LEGACY.

AND IN THE CASE OF, UH, MY FAMILY IS A LEGACY I WANNA LEAVE, UH, TO MY SON.

AND THOUGH I'M WHITE, MY WIFE IS NOT.

AND IN A EARLIER POINT IN HER CAREER, SHE ACTUALLY DID LAND TITLE RESEARCH AND SAW HUNDREDS OF DOCUMENTS EVERY DAY, UM, WITH SUCH RESTRICTIONS, OFTEN USING MORE INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE, UM, THAN WHAT'S MENTIONED HERE, WHICH IS, UH, QUITE TAME COMPARED TO SOME THAT YOU MIGHT SEE FROM EVEN EARLIER PERIODS OF AMERICAN HISTORY.

SO, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS ACTION THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION, UM, HAS BEFORE THEM IS, UH, A MERE, UH, PERFORMATIVE ACT.

UH, IT IS AN ACT TO CORRECT THROUGH AN OFFICIAL PROCESS, LEGAL DOCUMENTS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN LIGHTLY.

AND THANKS TO THE CITY OF EDMOND AND TO, UH, STAKEHOLDERS AND LEGISLATORS WHO WORK TO CREATE THIS PROCESS IN STATE LAW, UH, THERE'S A VERY THOROUGH PRESCRIPTIVE PROCESS FOR THE CITIES AND COUNTIES TO TAKE TO CORRECT LEGAL DOCUMENTS, TO BRING THEM IN CONFORMANCE AND COMPLIANCE WITH STATE FEDERAL LAW, THE PRINCIPLES OF THE US CONSTITUTION AND BASIC HUMAN DECENCY BY REMOVING, UH, RACIST DISCRIMINATORY RESTRICTIONS, UM, FROM PROPERTY DOCUMENTS.

SO AGAIN, WE WOULD, UH, ON BEHALF OF OUR ORGANIZATION AND PERSONALLY, UH, JUST ASK YOU TO SUPPORT AND, UH, APPROVE THIS CHANGE AND LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, WITH GREAT ANTICIPATION OF, UH, EDMOND LEADING THE WAY AND

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THANK YOU, MR. BOYD.

ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY, OH, SORRY.

ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NONE BEING HEARD.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANY COMMISSIONERS.

HAVE ANY, UH, QUE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND AND A SECOND.

THAT MO MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ZERO.

AND THAT ITEM IN OR WILL BE HEARD ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON JANUARY 13TH.

MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR E CASE NUMBER S SP 23 DASH 0 0 0 0 9 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR CENTER LINE PLUMBING.

WE'LL

[E. Case No. SP23-00009; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Site Plan application for Centerline Plumbing, located west of Broadway Avenue, on Broadway Court. (Centerline Plumbing; Ward 3) ]

MR. BRIAN, PLEASE PRESENT.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR CENTER LINE PLUMBING.

THE SITE IS LOCATED WEST OF BROADWAY, UM, ON THE SOUTH END OF BROADWAY COURT.

THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 27,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE SITE IS ZONED E TWO AS PROPOSED.

UM, ONE BUILDING IN THE SITE PLAN OF APPROXIMATELY 7,000 SQUARE FEET AND APPROXIMATELY 25 FEET TALL ACCESS TO THE, UH, BUILDING.

AND THE SITE WILL BE, UH, TWO DRIVES OFF OF BROADWAY COURT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE THERE ON THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND ON THE SOUTH.

UM, THE SITE PLAN INCLUDES VARIANCES TO THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, LANDSCAPING.

ONE OF THOSE IS A REDUCTION IN THE PERIMETER BUFFER FROM A REQUIRED 10 FEET WIDE TO THREE FEET WIDE.

AND THE SECOND ONE IS A REDUCTION IN THE LANDSCAPE AREA FROM A REQUIRED 2,600 SQUARE FEET TO, UH, 1100 SQUARE FEET.

THAT ALSO RESULTS IN A REDUCTION OF THE REQUIRED FRONTAGE AREA FROM AT LEAST 1300 SQUARE FEET TO APPROXIMATELY 620 SQUARE FEET.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, UH, SUBJECT TO CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES.

THANK YOU, MR. BRIAN, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF AT THIS TIME? I THINK ONE QUESTION I HAD, I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT THIS WILL STILL ALLOW FOR THE OPEN DISPLAY, UH, YEAH, NO CHANGES TO THE ZONING.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THANK YOU.

UH, WILL YOU WISH TO, UH, ADD ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT OR YOU CAN LET THE COMMENTS OF CITY STAFF STAND ON ITS OWN? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE THAT.

MY NAME'S SOPHIA CIO WITH HUT ZOS.

UM, WE ARE THE ENGINEERING AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ON THE PROJECT.

UM, JUST WANNA SAY, UM, FOR THE 10 FOOT PERIMETER BUFFER, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME CONSTRAINTS, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET THE SITE, PARKING AND CIRCULATION.

HOWEVER, WE DID, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK A LOT WITH THE CITY ON JUST TRYING TO MEET THOSE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND ADDED A, UM, SCREENING FENCE IN THE FRONT.

THAT'S ALL EVERGREEN PLANTS.

AND THEN ALSO FOR THE SECOND ITEM FOR THE LANDSCAPING AREA, UM, IN ORDER TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE CONSTRAINTS BASED ON JUST EASEMENTS ON THE SIDE.

FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE EAST SIDE THERE'S UH, GAS EASEMENT THERE.

SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ADD ANY MORE LANDSCAPING, UM, WHICH KIND OF, UH, CONSTRAINED US ON MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT.

SO WE DID EXCEED THE, UM, PLANTING UNIT REQUIREMENTS BY 36% TO KIND OF OFFSET SOME OF THAT.

SO JUST WANTED TO, UM, LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TO TRY TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

ALRIGHT, UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WE TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? STATE YOUR NAME.

UH, MEG STA REGARDING 27 0 7 SOUTH BROADWAY.

UH, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE SEEN OF THIS.

AND WHERE IS IN RELATION TO MY, TO, WHERE'S MY BUILDING? WHERE'S MY BUILDING? RIGHT THERE.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M AT THE CORNER BROADWAY COURT AND BROADWAY ON THE NORTH END OF BROADWAY COURT.

WHERE'S THIS? BY THE BICYCLE? BICYCLE SHOP.

PARDON ME? BY THE BICYCLE SHOP OR THE NORTH? UH, I'M IN FRONT OF THAT.

UH, OKAY.

THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

UH, AMERICAN CLEANERS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE, UM, UH, CAJUN RESTAURANT.

THIS IS ON THE CORNER.

KEITH HAD THE RED DOT ON.

WELL, FROM JIMMY'S EGG.

JIMMY'S EGG IS ON THE NORTH, UH, YEAH.

CORNER.

AND I'M ON THE SOUTH CORNER.

THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM, UH, BRENT'S CAJUN SEAFOOD.

SO KEITH, DID YOU HAVE A, A RED DOT ON THAT? NO.

ON WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY.

SO THAT'S THE SUBJECT RIGHT THERE.

THE YELLOW, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND JUST SOUTH OF THERE IS THE RESTAURANT.

RESTAURANT.

THAT, IS THAT A NEW BUILDING GOING

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IN THERE? YES.

YES.

SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF, UH, SO THIS OH, I SEE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THE PURPOSE OF, UH, THIS PLUMBING, UH, WA WAS.

AND UM, SO REALLY THAT'S, I, I CAN'T SEE THEN WHERE IT MIGHT BLOCK ANY OF OUR ENTRANCES OR, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE ENTRANCES AND, AND EXITS TO OUR, TO THEIR BUILDING, TO MY BUILDING, BUT SO THEY CAN DO BUSINESS AND UM, UH, WILL THERE BE ANY BIG EQUIPMENT, UH, BROUGHT IN ON THE NORTH END OF, OF BROADWAY COURT, UM, AND BLOCKING THAT STREET AT ALL? WE'LL ASK YEAH, IF YOU'LL ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS NOW, I'LL GET ANSWERS.

PARDON? PARDON ME.

IF YOU'LL ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS NOW, THEN I'LL GET ANSWERS FROM HER IN A MOMENT.

AND HOW ABOUT HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE? OKAY.

UM, AND WILL, WILL THE CUSTOMERS TO ON THE NORTH END, TO AMERICAN CLEANERS OR ANY OF THOSE BE UM, ALTERED AT ALL IN THEIR BUILDINGS? PARDON ME? YOU'RE ASKING ARE THEY GONNA BE ALTERED THEIR BUILDINGS? I'M SORRY.

WELL JUST, YOU KNOW, MY BUILDING SO PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND OUT.

AND THEIR CUSTOMERS CAN GET IN AND OUT.

AND WHERE WILL ALL THE, UM, DIGGING BE JUST ON WHERE THE NEW BUILDING'S GOING TO BE OR WILL IT BE? UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEIR ABILITY IS NOT HAMPERED AT ALL OR, OKAY.

IS THAT ALL? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS RIGHT NOW FOR THE WISH TO SPEAK FOR AGAINST THE PROJECT? SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

UM, AND MA'AM, IF YOU'LL COME BACK UP JUST REAL QUICK, UM, JUST TO, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, WILL ANY, UH, WILL YOU ANY EQUIPMENT BE BLOCKING ENTRANCES TO THE DEVELOPMENT? NO.

AND THEN ANY IDEA ON THE TIMING OF CONSTRUCTION? UM, THE DEVELOPER IS READY TO START CONSTRUCTION AS SOON AS OUR SITE PLAN GETS, UH, APPROVED.

SO I WOULD EXPECT WITHIN THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD START FOR SURE.

UM, AND THEN YOU GUYS AREN'T, WOULDN'T BE AFFECTING YOUR NEIGHBORS WITH DIGGING OR BLOCKING ENTRANCES? NO, I DON'T.

WE, WE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, SO.