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MEETING TIPS GENTLEMEN, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WILL CALL
[1. Call to Order of the Edmond Planning Commission.]
TO ORDER THE TUESDAY, JANUARY 21ST, 2025 MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.[2. Consideration of Approval of Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes: January 7, 2025.]
UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES FROM JANUARY 7TH, 2025.HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE AND ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, SAY YES.
THAT ITEM IS, UH, CARRIED AND APPROVED BY VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO, I HEAR? YES.
[3. General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Planning Commission. Members of the Planning Commission may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]
UH, THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONSENT ITEMS, UH, GENERAL CONSENT, WHICH IS, UH, CASE NUMBER PR 23 DASH 0 0 0 1 1.CONSIDERATION FOR FINAL PLATEAU OAKS VILLAGE, LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF COLTRANE AND 33RD STREET.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT NEED THIS ITEM BASICALLY PULLED OR NEEDED HELD FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
AND THAT IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO.
[B. Case No. Z24-00018; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “D-0” Suburban Office to “PUD Z24-00018” Planned Unit Development for Kind Enterprises, LLC, located on east side of Santa Fe Avenue, north of Mill Valley Boulevard. (Kind Enterprises, LLC; Ward 4)]
UH, THAT BRINGS US TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. AND, UH, FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THE MATTER BOOKKEEPING.UH, ITEM B ON FOUR B, CASE NUMBER Z 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 8 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A REZONING FROM DO SUBURBAN OFFICE TO PUDZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 1.
A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR KIND ENTERPRISES, UH, LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF SANTA FE AVENUE NORTH OF, UH, MILL VALLEY BOULEVARD.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAD ASKED THAT MATTER BE CONTINUED.
AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO FEBRUARY 4TH.
THAT ITEM IS CONTINUED BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO.
IT WILL BE BEFORE US ON FEBRUARY 4TH.
[A. Case No. PR24-00003; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Preliminary Plat for East Fork, located on the southwest corner of Coffee Creek and Air Depot. (The Orion Group; Ward 2)]
UH, DROPPING BACK TO ITEM FOUR, A CASE NUMBER PR 24 DASH 0 0 0 0 3.PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR EAST FORK LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF COFFEE CREEK AND AIR DEPOT.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT VERY GOOD.
AS INDICATED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF COFFEE CREEK AND AIR DEPOT.
YOU SEE THAT HERE ON THE ARROW PHOTOGRAPH.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PUD, WHICH ALLOWS A MIX OF USES ACROSS FOUR SEPARATE TRACKS.
THE PUD WAS APPROVED OCTOBER, 2024.
THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
THE DETAILS OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS PROPOSED.
UM, INCLUDE THE COMPONENT OF THE PUD REFERRED TO AS TRACK THREE, WHICH IS THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPONENT OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, AS PROPOSED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT INCLUDES 537 LOTS FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THAT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED PUD.
THE PLAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE OVERALL PUD, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO STREET LAYOUT, COMMON AREA PROVISION EASEMENTS FOR PUBLIC TRAILS.
THE PLAT CONFORMS TO THE STANDARDS REGARDING ACCESS RIGHT OF WAY, UTILITIES, DRAINAGE, TREE PRESERVATION, AND SETBACKS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, DO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF CITY STAFF AT THIS TIME? I SAY NONE.
WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, JUST VERY BRIEFLY WITH THE, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
I, I WON'T GO INTO GREAT DETAIL, BUT, UM, THIS IS A, UH, PRELIMINARY PLA FOR A, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WE BELIEVE CONFORMS WITH THE, UH, PLAN FOR THE AREA.
SO, UH, THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE
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PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, I'D BE MORE THAN GLAD TO ANSWER.UH, DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? UH, ACTUALLY YES I DO.
UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, POTENTIAL IF WE GO WITH THIS PLAN OF LOSING AN EXIT RAMP OR A ON AND OFF RAMP TO, UH, COFFEE CREEK COFFEE CREEK.
THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, UH, REZONING ASPECT OF THAT, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF, UH, BACK AND FORTH THAT WAS LOOKED AT AS INTO THAT RELATION AND WHAT ODOT MIGHT HAVE IN THE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
AND, UH, FROM EVERYTHING, I THINK, AND, AND I'LL RELAY, UH, RELY ON MR. BADY ALSO THAT, UM, ODOT BASICALLY PLANNED FOR ANY SORT OF ON RAMP, OFF RAMP, UH, STOPS BASICALLY AT THE COVEL INTERSECTION AND THAT SECTION BETWEEN COVE AND WATERLOO.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE A FUTURE PLAN OR REALLY ANY INDICATION THAT THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN, UH, PUTTING ON RAMPS AND OFF RAMPS ON I 35 FROM THOSE ARTERIAL STREETS.
MY CONCERN IS JUST AS EDMOND IS GROWING AND WE'RE EXPANDING EAST, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETIMES WE WORK OURSELVES INTO SITUATIONS WHERE WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T PLAN AHEAD.
AND SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S MY, ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS.
WELL, THERE WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE.
UM, WE ARE GRANTING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THERE ON COFFEE CREEK ALSO WITH THIS TO 90 FEET.
ODOT HAS A, UH, FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RIGHT OF WAY THEMSELVES ALREADY FOR I 35 THROUGH THAT AREA.
UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, HOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE, UM, COULD BE MANAGED AND MAINTAINED.
AND IT, UH, AGAIN, IF KEITH HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT ODO T'S PLANS MIGHT BE THROUGH THERE, UH, I DON'T THINK THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS ANYTHING THAT, UH, THEY'RE CONTEMPLATING, UM, RIGHT NOW ORIGINALLY, OR THE ORIGINAL END LOADER HAD GRANTED ADDITIONAL EASEMENT, UH, ALONG THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE IN THAT NORTHWEST CORNER TO ODOT.
BUT THAT WAS MOST LIKELY JUST MEANT FOR ANY SORT OF, UH, WORK ON THE COVA, OR EXCUSE ME, THE COFFEE CREEK BRIDGE OVER I 35.
MR. BEATTY, COULD YOU ADDRESS PERHAPS MR. CHER'S QUESTION TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT HE'S CORRECT.
ODOT AT THIS TIME DOESN'T HAVE ANY ON OFF RES PLAN FOR THAT BASED ON THE CLASSIFICATION OF THAT AREA.
NOW, THEY DID STATE THAT IF IT WAS SOMEONE IN THE CITY OF EDMOND WANTED TO REQUEST AND PURSUE THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT.
UM, AS FAR AS WHERE THAT IS INTERNAL WITH THE CITY, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
UH, I KNOW OUR CITY ENGINEER AND OUR, UH, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER WAS LOOKING INTO THAT.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED DURING THE TIME THE CITY MADE, THE CITY STAFF MADE THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS PROJECT? THAT HAS NOT BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, DO ANY OTHER MEMBERS? ONE THING I THINK MARK, I'M SORRY, DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT WE HAVE BEEN, UM, SOMEWHAT CONSIDERED IS THAT IF THEY DO MAKE ANY EXPANSION IN ANY ON-RAMPS, OFF RAMPS THAT UH, ADDITIONAL LANES TO I 35 WOULD BE TO THE INTERIOR, WHICH WOULD THEN MOST LIKELY STILL PROVIDE US WITH THE NECESSARY, UM, GEOMETRY FOR GETTING A ON RAMP AND OFF RAMP OR AT LEAST THE OFF RAMP I'LL CALL IT ON, UH, THE EAST SIDE OF I 35 THERE TO COFFEE CREEK.
BUT AGAIN, THE OOC WAS REALLY PRETTY, UH, PRETTY REMOVED FROM THE CONCEPT OF, OF DOING THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SURE.
UM, QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING THE DENSITY AND THE SIZE OF THE LOTS.
'CAUSE TYPICALLY WE LIKE TO HAVE OUR SIZE OF THE LOT BE SIMILAR TO THE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THAT AREA ARE TYPICALLY ACRE LOTS AND MORE.
AND THIS IS 3,600 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH WOULD BE SOME OF THE SMALL SPOTS IN THE CITY.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT REAL SIMILAR.
SO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT AND HOW WE, HOW WE CAN REASONABLY SAY THAT WE'RE PUTTING THIS IN THE AREA THAT MATCHES AREAS AROUND IT.
YEAH, THE, UH, KEN CAN PROBABLY ELABORATE EVEN MORE SO ON THE, UH, MIXED USE CAMPUS TYPE OF PLAN SET UP FOR THE AREA.
BUT THE LOTS THAT YOU SEE IN THE, UH, SHADED PINK AREA ARE BASICALLY CONFIGURED AT 30 FOOT WIDE BY 120 FOOT DEEP.
SO THE MAIN CONCEPT AND THE MAIN FOCUS FOR THAT, FOR THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA IS TO HELP SUPPORT THE POTENTIAL FOR PROVIDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT, UH, HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ABOUT AT TIMES THROUGHOUT, UH, THE CITY OF
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EDMOND, UM, THROUGH THIS LOCATION BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY AND LOCATION TO I 35.THE, UH, THE USE OF THOSE LOTS AND COINCIDENCE WITH THE INTERIOR COMMERCIAL ASPECT, RETAIL ASPECT THAT IS, UH, BEING LOOKED AT, UH, FOR THE LEFT OPEN AREAS THAT WE GOT REZONED FOR THE, FOR INDUSTRIAL, NOT INDUSTRIAL, BUT COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL USE.
UM, AND THEN THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND EVERYTHING, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO I 35.
UM, YEAH, A LOT OF THE, UH, WE HAVE UTILITIES, THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER MAIN FOCUSES OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO LIMIT OUR ACREAGES TO LARGER, YOU KNOW, ESTATE TYPE, SUBURBAN ESTATE TYPE ACREAGES.
WE DO HAVE WATER AND SEWER THAT WE'RE EXTENDING TO THE SITE, UH, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER TO THE SITE TO ALLOW FOR THE MORE IES AND THE SEWER CAPACITIES.
I MEAN, I KNOW SOME OTHER PROJECT GOT THERE, THE SEWER CAPACITY'S BEEN A PROBLEM.
THE CITY JUST REDID THE, UH, COFFEE CREEK INTERCEPTOR, UH, TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.
SO NO MORE ADDITIONAL LIFT STATIONS WILL NEEDED FOR THIS.
NO MORE LIFT STATIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THIS PROJECT? THIS STATION WILL NOT NEED A LIFT STATION.
AND SO, I MEAN, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE AN URBAN INFILL, ALMOST NOT URBAN INFILL AREA IS MY, IS MY, IS MY CONVERSATION.
I'M TRYING TO GET, MAKE SURE I GET COMFORTABLE WITH UNDERSTAND, UM, BECAUSE IT IS TODAY IN THE COUNTRY TO AN EXTENT.
UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I'M TRYING TO GET OVER.
'CAUSE I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THE, THE BUILDERS THAT BUILD ON THIS AND THERE'S ONLY ONE AROUND RIGHT NOW.
AND IT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SKINNY AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY AFFORDABLE STILL.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT MY CURIOSITY, UM, I PROBABLY KNOW WHO THE BUYER IS, BUT IT'S, I'M INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, THAT'S MY COMMENTS.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE PRODUCT GOING IN THIS AREA.
I'M NOT AGAINST THE PRODUCT, I'M JUST MAKING SURE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING JUSTICE FROM WHAT WE TRY TO STAY WITH OF GOING THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE DON'T LIKE TO GO FROM 10 ACRE TO, TO FIVE TO, YOU KNOW, 10 ACRE TO 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ACRE TO 3,600, WHICH WOULD BE THE SMALLEST.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY 30 FOOT FRONTS IN THE CITY THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT ARE ACTIVELY BEING BUILT OR EVEN BEEN DEVELOPED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
SO THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I'M, I'M DOING A SERVICE, MAKE SURE WE'RE, THAT WE ARE HAVE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PRODUCT FOR THAT AREA.
AND AGAIN, NOT AGAINST DEVELOPING THE AREA, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT YEAH.
THOSE LINES DURING THE REZONING ASPECT OF THIS RIGHT.
UH, AND WE APPROVED ALLOWING, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO PROVE THE SITE PLAN.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, I WANNA GIVE YOU GUYS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID OUR DEAD LEVEL BEST TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COMMENTS FROM THE CAN CREEK FUND SURE.
AND WE DID TAKE IT DOWN FROM I THINK 570 SOME ODD DOWN TO FIVE 30.
AND THEN WE REDUCED, UH, 120, 120 TO 55.
120 TO 55 ON THE, UH, COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT ALSO.
SO WE REALLY HELPED, IT'S STILL DENSE, BUT WE HAVE REDUCED THE, UH, THE DENSITY AND, UH, TRYING TO RESPOND TO SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS FROM SOME OF THE COUNCIL AND THEN SOME OF THE CITIZENS.
ANYTHING FURTHER OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? IF NOT, UH, WOULD ANY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? IF SO, IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD, IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PROVIDE US WITH YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN MY NAME IS JENNIFER BROOMFIELD AND I LIVE AT 28 0 1 BUCKLAND ROAD.
UM, I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE JUNE, 2012, AND I HAVE WATCHED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GROWTH HAPPEN IN THIS AREA.
AND THIS ONE HITS REALLY CLOSE TO HOME SINCE IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WHEN I PULL OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD ONTO AIR DEPOT IN THE MORNINGS, IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE TRAFFIC.
WHEN YOU COME HOME IN THE EVENINGS, YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING TO COME UP HERE DEPOT OFF OF SECOND STREET OR DANFORTH BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING OFF OF COVELL FROM I 35 TO THE EAST.
YOU HAVE TRAFFIC THAT'S BACKED UP ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO I 35.
SO WE HAVE NOT, UM, PUT IN ANY EXTRA LANES FOR, UM, ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT SINCE I'VE MOVED INTO THIS AREA.
AND IT IS JUST BECOMING SUPER CONGESTED.
AND TO ADD ANOTHER 500 TO 600 VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE COMING AND GOING FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS KIND OF UNHEARD OF.
WE WOULD NEED TWO NEW STOPLIGHTS JUST LIKE YOU JUST PUT IN, OR WHOEVER PUT THOSE IN AT FAIRFAX.
UM, ON COVELL, WE WOULD NEED, WE WOULD NEED TRAFFIC LIGHTS FOR SAFETY.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD BE MANY MORE CARS BECAUSE THIS ALSO HAS COMMERCIAL
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USE, SO THERE WOULD JUST BE ALL KINDS OF TRAFFIC, NOT JUST, UM, RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC.UM, UM, SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO MENTION IS SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE, UM, FOR OVER 12 YEARS, MY WATER PRESSURE HAS DIPPED FROM TIME TO TIME.
AND AGAIN, WITH ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN, I CONSTANTLY AM ASKING A QUESTION, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A WATER TOWER? THERE'S WATER TOWERS BEING BUILT ALL OVER EDMOND, BUT NOT IN EAST EDMOND.
AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE I'VE MOVED OUT THERE, BUT I WOULD SAY AT LEAST A DOZEN TO TWO DOZEN NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN ADDED.
AND IN THAT INTERSECTION ALONE AT COVELL, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD, UM, AN OFF-RAMP FOR CO COFFEE CREEK AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD ONE FOR SO MILL, WHAT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING IN FOR A POTENTIAL HIGH SCHOOL IF THAT EVER GETS BUILT? UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE SCHOOL HAS, OR THE EDMUND SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS SECURED THAT LAND AT THE CORNER OF, UM, COFFEE CREEK OR COVE AND AIR DEPOT, AND IT'S THE SOUTH, UM, EAST CORNER I BELIEVE, UM, THAT HAS BEEN, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO IN YEARS AGO AND WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THAT.
UM, BUT IF THAT COMES, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
AND WITH CROSS CROSSINGS GOING IN ACROSS THE STREET, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC ON TRAFFIC ON TRAFFIC, AND THERE'S NO EXTRA ROADS, THERE'S NO PLANS FOR OFF RAMPS AND JUST FLOWING OF TRAFFIC.
AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT WHENEVER YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT THESE BIG PROJECTS, UM, IN EAST EDMOND.
UM, AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MOVE OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC, BUT THE INTEREST RATES ARE SO CRAZY THAT, UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN YET.
BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, THE MINUTE I CAN, I'LL BE MOVING SOUTH, NOT NORTH AND DEFINITELY NOT FURTHER EAST.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU PLEASE KEEP THOSE THOUGHTS IN MIND WHEN WHILE ARE MAKING DECISIONS.
I BELIEVE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL.
I'M STAN LONG LIVE AT 28 25 BUCKLAND ROAD.
I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE HEMOND HOLLOW HOAI ALSO WANT TO ECHO THIS TRAFFIC ISSUE WITH THIS MANY HOUSES GOING IN, UH, WITH THAT MANY CARS COMING OUT ON AIR DEPOT AND COFFEE CREEK, BUT AIR DEPOT WE'RE JUST SOUTHEAST OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE ROAD CAT CORNER FROM OUR TWO GATES DUMP ONTO AIR DEPOT.
SO OUR 174 HOMES ARE DUMPING TRAFFIC ONTO AIR DEPOT.
SO WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THE SIZE OF THE ROAD, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TOTALLY RIGHT THERE.
SO WE WANT TO ECHO THAT TO BE SURE THAT IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES IN THERE.
WE'VE GOT CROSSINGS CHURCH GOING IN AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCHOOL IS THAT THEY ARE HEADING AT THAT LOCATION THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT IS OUR CONCERN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD ECHO.
UH, DAVID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS RESPONSE ON THAT? UM, AS FAR AS THAT INTERSECTION OF COVE AND, UH, AIR DEPOT GOES, IT, UM, IT DOES HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, PLANS IN THE WORKS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT TO THAT.
NOW THE GO BOND WAS KIND OF A DRIVING FORCE, A LITTLE BIT BEHIND SOME OF THAT, THAT WE KNOW THAT'S NOT, UH, AVAILABLE TO US AT THIS TIME.
BUT I'M ALSO PART OF THE CROSSINGS DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT.
AND, UH, KEITH CAN RELATE TO THIS.
WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITHIN THE LAST WEEK OR SO.
WE ARE PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL, UH, LANE WIDTH ON THE NORTH AND WEST SIDE OF AIR DEPOT, WEST SIDE OF AIR DEPOT, NORTH SIDE OF COVE FOR THE ENTIRE SPAN, WHICH SHOULD, UH, HELP AS FAR AS TURNING MOVEMENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION, UH, SHOULD HELP SPAN THAT.
SO THE CO CROSSINGS PROJECT IS DOING THAT.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S COMING THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS PROJECT, IT'S PHASED COMPLETION.
FINAL COMPLETION IS 2040, SO THAT'S ANOTHER 16 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO IN THAT TIMEFRAME, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHO WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME SORT OF REQUIREMENT PLACED UPON THEM FOR IMPROVEMENTS OF THAT INTERSECTION THE CROSSINGS HAVE.
SO THAT WILL HELP WITH THAT TRAFFIC FLOW THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, 2040, SO ANOTHER 16 YEARS.
SO THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF EDMUND CROSSINGS AND ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT BE GOING ON AROUND THAT INTERSECTION WITH MAKING THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO THAT INTERSECTION AND IMPROVE THAT TRAFFIC FLOW TO HELP THAT TRAFFIC FOR HAMPTON HOLLOW AND EVERYBODY COMING
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OFF OF COVE.UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMING? I KNOW THAT THE, UH, THE TIMING.
UM, SO YOU GET YOUR, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, UM, DETAILED PLANS AND FINAL PLAT.
UH, APPROVAL AND THEN TALK ABOUT YOUR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, TWO OF WHICH ARE NOT INSIGNIFICANT WOULD INCLUDE THE WIDENING OF BOTH COFFEE CREEK AND AIR DEPOT.
WHEN DID, WHEN WOULD THOSE GO IN AS IT RELATES TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT? THE, THE WIDENING ASPECT OF AROUND THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT GOES IN AT THE TIME THAT THE PROJECT IS BEING DEVELOPED.
SO AS THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING IS PLACED IN PLACE, THE SEWER AND THE WATER, THAT'S ALL BROUGHT IN OFF SITE FROM THE SOUTH.
AND THEN WE'RE MAKING OUR SEWER CONNECTION TO THAT, UH, COFFEE CREEK INTERCEPTOR LINE THAT'S RUNNING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF COFFEE, EXCUSE ME, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COFFEE CREEK THERE.
UM, AS THAT'S GOING ON ALONG WITH THE, UH, ROAD WIDENING.
SO WE WILL BE ADDING ADDITIONAL LANES ON, UM, ALONG THE FRONTAGE TO THE BRIDGES.
THERE'S A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS STUDY AND THERE'S SOME ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UH, TRAFFIC GROUP FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND, BUT THEY'RE WIDENING ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL SECTION, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COFFEE CREEK AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF AIR DEPOT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE SINCE LIKE HAMPTON HOLLOW.
UM, I KNOW IT DOESN'T, IT, IT DIDN'T WIDEN RIGHT.
UM, AIR DEPOT WHEN IT WAS BUILT, BUT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS OR SO AGO AND THAT WAS EVEN APPROVED MAYBE MORE SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LESSON LEARNED FROM THE, THE WAY THAT DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED THEN VERSUS NOW.
I, I WOULD SAY KEITH CAN RE RELATE TO THIS.
THE, THE, THE CITY HAS IMPOSED, OR, OR, OR, OR IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS TYPICALLY THE WIDENING, UM, INGRESS AND EGRESS EXCELLED AND DESAL LANES ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROJECTS.
SO TO CLARIFY, THAT WOULD BE DONE PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMITS BEING PULLED.
WELL, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A PROBLEM I'VE HAD ON THIS OTHER PROJECTS.
THE ROAD WIDE THING, RESIDENTIAL, IT MIGHT SPEAK TO THAT.
DID THE SAY THE THING I WANTED TO ADD IS OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS REFLECTED FOUR PHASES.
AND SO WE ARE TREATING THE TRAFFIC ON A PHASE BY PHASE BASIS.
AND SO, LIKE THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW, IT PASSES AFTER PHASE ONE, IT PASSES AFTER PHASE TWO AND THEN FILLS BEFORE PHASE THREE WITH EXISTING ROADS AS THEY'RE TODAY.
AND SO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE HAS TO BE FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION AND TO OUR WIDENING AND POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMERCIAL AND ADDITIONAL LANE ON THE OPPOSITE RIGHT.
OF WAY TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO AROUND.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I, I SPOKE WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS ABOUT, LET'S JUST LEAVE THE COMMERCIAL STUFF AND TREAT THAT ON A, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN BY SITE PLAN BASIS.
YOU COME UP SO PEOPLE CAN RECORDING, CAN HEAR YOU.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T SAY ANYMORE.
I, I MEAN UNLESS YOU WON'T CONTINUE NO, THAT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT USUALLY IF, IF YOU WOULD, I'M SO SORRY, JUST FOR THE RECORDING, THERE WEREN'T PEOPLE COME TO, SO DAVID LAMBERT LAMBER, EXCUSE ME.
SO TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD CLEARLY, SO THE CURRENTLY AS IT STANDS NOW ACTUALLY QUALIFIES FOR THE PHASING OF 1, 2, 1, AND TWO.
RIGHT NOW YOUR CURRENT LANES, THE AS THEY ARE TODAY, QUALIFY, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID CORRECTLY? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE WHINING.
THAT WOULD BE FOR PHASES THREE AND FOUR, WAS THAT CORRECT? AM I SAYING DAVID? CORRECT.
AND SO, UM, YES, WITH THE, WITH THE ARGUMENT SAYING AS IT IS TODAY, I COULD DO THIS, HOWEVER I'M GONNA WIDEN IT, IT TO DO UPFRONT.
VERSUS WAITING TILL PHASE THREE, THE EXISTING PLAN THAT WE HAVE WOULD WIDENING AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF, IF NO, IF NO CHANGES WERE MADE TO EDMONDS ROADS WHATSOEVER, WE WOULD MAKE IT THROUGH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO AND THEN IT FELLS AND THAT'S WHY WE TREATED IT.
AND WE'RE DOING FOUR FINAL PLATS UP UPFRONT AND TWO INTO A GRAND FINAL PLOT TO MAKE SURE, AND TO SPEAK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE LOTS YEAH, PLEASE, THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY SURE.
TO TRY TO GET THE DENSITY THAT THEY WANTED INTO MIXED USE, BUT ALSO RESPECT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT STILL IS A SINGLE FAMILY TYPE ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO IT WAS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FIND THAT HEALTHY BALANCE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S EAST SEVEN LIKE WHERE I LIVE MM-HMM
AND, AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT HOW DO WE GET, YOU KNOW, THEN THE TAX DOLLARS GENERATED THEY NEEDED WITH, UM, MAKING SENSE OF HAVING A TROLL THAT GOES UNDER THE HIGHWAY, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, IT WAS AN OP IT WAS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO PLOT THIS IN ALL 40, 50 FOOT LOTS AND THEN GET TO THE END AND GO, DAD, GAMMIT, I WISH WE HAD A HUNDRED MORE.
THIS IS A REALLY GREAT PRODUCT.
YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? SURE.
WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE LOTS AND MAKE 'EM BIGGER.
BUT I GUESS THE OTHER SIDE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT WE TRY TO KEEP
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IT SIMILAR TO THE AREA.THAT'S MY, THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH BECAUSE WE DO, I MEAN, THESE ARE BIGGER LOTS THAT ARE SURROUNDING IT.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE 65 FOOT FRONTS IN, IN HAMMOND HOLLOW MM-HMM
SO NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HALF OF THAT FOR THIS.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING.
THAT'S A SMALL DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE MM-HMM
AND SO, SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE STAY CONSISTENT? IS, IS MY COMMENT DAVID, AND I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T LIKE IT, I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, HOW DO WE KIND OF KEEP THAT CULTURE BEING CONSISTENT OF SAYING WE LIKE A PRODUCT THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE AREA.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO FROM, YOU KNOW, I'D HATE TO PUT EVEN HALF ACRE LOSS NEXT TO 10 LOTTS.
THAT STILL ISN'T REALLY WHAT THE IDEA, THAT'S MY COMMENT WHERE I'M COMING FROM MM-HMM
UM, LOOK, I'M A LONGTERM BA GUY LIKE YOU, I, YOU KNOW, I, THIS PLACE WILL BE DEVELOPED.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING AT.
SO, AND THE OTHER, AND THE OTHER, THE LAST THING I'LL ADD IS WE LOOKED AT LIKE THE INTERSECTION OF AIR COFFEE CREEK.
AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A PLOT THAT HAD 150 LOTS HERE, 150 HERE, 150 HERE AND 150 HERE, SURE.
BUT YOU CRA 500 RIGHT OVER HERE AND THIS IS ALL FLOOD ALL THE WAY AROUND.
IT'S LIKE WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
SO, UM, AND IT'S A NEW PRODUCT TO OUR AREA, LET'S BE HONEST,
WELL NOW, UH, TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THOUGH, YOU SAID, UH, I, I THINK WHAT CHERRY HILL ACTUALLY HAS LOTS THAT HAVE, WHAT, 25 AND 35 FOOT FRONTAGE ON IT.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS DONE, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
MY WIFE STILL DOESN'T SPEAK TO ME ON THAT EVEN THOUGH I BASICALLY ABSTAINED AND IT'S NEXT DOOR TO MY 10 ACRE LOT.
AND I'VE LIVED OUT THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND THIS IS SORT OF A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I MEAN, UH, IT DOESN'T FLOOD VERY OFTEN, BUT UH, WITH WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE AND THE WAY THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT AREA OF GREENBELT.
UM, AND THE OTHER CHANGE IN CONDITION THOUGH IS, UH, IN EAST EDMOND UP UNTIL SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DEVELOP ANYTHING OUT THERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE WATER.
AND UH, AND LIKE I SAID, SO THAT'S WHY, UH, WE DID TWO ACRE LOTS ON THE LAND THAT I BOUGHT YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
UH, COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY DONE ONE ACRE WITH A CHANGE IN THE STATUTES AND THINGS, BUT, UH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I, UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT I MADE TO MY WIFE WHENEVER WE LOOKED AT IT.
AND SO TO LIMIT THE IDEA THAT AS A RESULT OF THERE BEING LARGER LOTS OUT IN THAT AREA, WE'RE LIMITED TO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE LARGER LOTS, UM, WITH THE CHANGES IN CONDITION.
AND I THINK EVERYONE RECOGNIZES THAT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE AREAS EVEN HERE IN INFILL WITHIN THE CITY OF EDMOND WHERE, UH, OVER ON DANFORTH, BACK BEHIND THE HARDWARE STORE, CAN'T THINK WHAT THAT LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, BUT TWO, YEAH.
UH, ALL OF THAT'S CHANGED BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN TIME IT WAS ALL ON WELL AND SEPTIC MM-HMM
AND SO NOW WATER AND THINGS ARE THERE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A UNIQUE IDEA, UNIQUE PROJECT AND SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE IN DEVELOPMENT IN A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, A LOT OF OTHER CITIES, AND HAVING THE MIXED USE, I MEAN, IT'S UH, SORT OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO OVER BY BRYANT, UH, AROUND THE SWIMMING POOL THAT MM-HMM
AND, UM, I IT'S, IT'S A WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT AND A WAY THAT THINGS ARE GOING RIGHT NOW.
BUT I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S CHERRY HILL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THEY, THEY'VE GOT MUCH NARROWER LOTS OUT THERE AND I, FOR SOME REASON I WAS THINKING THEY'RE LIKE ABOUT 35 FEET WIDE ACROSS THE FRONT ON A LOT OF THEM.
I WAS GONNA, JUST GOING AROUND THE MAP, JUST GOING OKAY, WHAT'S CLOSE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF EXAMINING.
IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT, UH, SAID CHERRY ROUGHLY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILES TO THE EAST, UH, FROM THERE ON THE CORNER OF, UH, DOUGLAS AND SORGHUM MILL.
SO, AND THAT INTERSECTION'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT KEN BROUGHT UP BECAUSE TAPER WIDENED ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WOODS AT HIGH GARDEN.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE, THESE FOLKS NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE IS THAT NEW PLAN IN ACTION OF THE WIDENING ALL THE WAY AROUND BECAUSE WE NEVER HAVE TRAFFIC.
WELL THEY ACTUALLY WIDENED ALL THE WAY UP TO MY FRONT YARD, UH, IS IS WHERE WHERE IT IS.
AND THEY WERE NICE ENOUGH TO PUT A FIRE HYDRANT RIGHT IN THE CORNER UP BY THE FRONT PART, PART OF MY PROPERTY.
WELL, NOT REALLY, BUT ANYWAY,
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION TO THE APPLICANTS IN REFERENCE TO WHAT UH, THEY CLEARED UP AT THIS TIME? NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT I DO JUST, DAVID, I KNOW YOU HELD SOME NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND I DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU HOSTING THAT.
AND I KNOW I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE ON COMMISSION,
I HAD TO GO TO MY DAUGHTER'S FOOTBALL GAME SHE WAS CHEERING AT AND I TRIED TO DRIVE AROUND AND FIND YOU AND HIM AND HOLLOW.
SO I GOTTA APOLOGIZE AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
AND THEN I SAW HE WAS ON THE COMMISSION.
I WAS LIKE, I TOLD DAVID, I WAS LIKE, OH MAN, HE MIGHT BE MAD AT ME.
I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE IN THE HOT SEAT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU YOU HOSTING THOSE 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO.
YOU, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
AND I'LL REITERATE THAT I'VE SEEN YOU POSTING QUITE A BIT TALKING ABOUT YOUR DEVELOPMENT AT LEAST ACCEPTING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
UH, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME? IF NOT, REMIND ME, I'M SORRY.
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THE, THE 2050 PROJECT OR, OR PLAN OR EVANS PLAN, UH, THIS FITS IN ALL OF THE IDEA OUT IN THIS AREA.REMIND ME BECAUSE I WAS ON PROJECT 2050, THERE'S BEEN A MINUTE, SO, RIGHT.
SO, UH, THANKS FOR, UH, THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE CONTEXT.
UM, 'CAUSE IT DOES ALLOW, SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT HOW DO WE TRANSITION FROM AREAS OF HIGHER INTENSITY TO LOWER INTENSITY AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND SO THIS, THIS AREA IS THE KIND OF THE EDGE OF WHAT IS REFERRED TO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS THE, THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE, UM, REFERENCING, UM, AS A MIXED USE CAMPUS.
SO THIS IS THE VERY EDGE OF THAT.
AND SO IT'S A, IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'D BE SLIGHTLY MORE INTENSE THAN JUST OUTSIDE THAT AREA, WHICH IS MORE LIKE A SUBURBAN CONTEXT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA IS THAT THAT AREA BE SUPPORTIVE OF KIND OF THE NODE WHICH IS CENTERED AT COVE AND SOONER AND I 35 KIND OF THAT AREA.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS LOCATION, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF WAY OUT THERE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF THE NEXT LIKE CENTER OF THIS CITY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON THE CROSS TIMBERS FACILITY IS LOCATED OUT THERE AND IT, UM, WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES, IT DOES.
ANYTHING FURTHER BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE.
UH, THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ONE AND THAT ENDS HERE TONIGHT.
THAT BRINGS US TO CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON RANDOM SUBJECTS THAT WE REALLY WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT WE HAVE ANY.
SO ARE THERE ANY GENERAL COMMENTS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION OR MEMBERS? I'LL JUST SAY, GUYS, WE DID A GREAT JOB.
AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
I THINK THAT WAS A MOTION ANYWAY, BUT ALL OPPOSED THERE ARE NONE.