Feb 10, 2025 City Council

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[1. Call to Order of the Edmond City Council Meeting.]

OUR NEXT ORDER

[A. City Manager's Update.]

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

REAL QUICK, UH, I WANNA START OUT WITH MAYBE THE BAD NEWS.

UH, WE DID GET OUR SALES TAX UPDATE.

UH, WE'VE RECEIVED OUR JANUARY REPORT ON SALES USE AND LODGING TAXES.

THESE REFLECT THE NOVEMBER 20, 24 SALES REPORTED IN DECEMBER, AND THEN COLLECTED IN JANUARY.

UH, YEAR TO DATE, OUR COMBINED SALES AND USE TAX IS DOWN 0.61%.

UH, SPECIFICALLY SALES TAX IS DOWN ALMOST 2%.

UH, USE TAX IS UP 6.37%, AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT LODGING TAX IS UP 6.65%.

LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT WE BUDGETED FOR 1% GROWTH IN OUR BUDGET.

SO, UM, A FEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS TO UPDATE YOU ON.

UH, ONE IS THE A DA TRAFFIC SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS IN DOWNTOWN.

IF YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH DOWNTOWN, YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED THAT CONSTRUCTION, IT'S A $1.85 MILLION IMPROVEMENT, UH, TO THE A DEA AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

UH, IN DOWNTOWN, IT'S AT SIX DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS.

IT WILL PROVIDE WIDER RAMPS, UH, BETTER CROSSWALKS, NEW SIGNAL CABINETS, AND AUDIBLE PEDESTRIAN BUTTONS.

UH, THIS PROJECT WAS FUNDED BY THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, AND WE WILL HAVE, WE WILL HAVE TEMPORARY LANE CLOSURES, BUT STAFF IS WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO MINIMIZE DISRUPTIONS TO TRAFFIC AND, AND ESPECIALLY TO EVENTS LIKE HEARD ON HERD AND THE ARTS FESTIVAL.

UM, NEXT, THE IMAGES ARE ABOUT THE JOINT USE LIBRARY AND YMCA, UH, WORK IS PROGRESSING ON THE NEW FACILITY.

IT'S A COLLAB COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY, THE METRO LIBRARY SYSTEM, AND THE YMCA, UH, CONCRETE WALLS ARE GOING UP AND THE FINAL BID PACKAGE FOR THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND TURF CLOSED LAST WEEK.

UH, CONSTRUCTION IS ON TRACK FOR COMPLETION EARLY 2026.

UH, JUST A REMINDER, THE NEED FOR THIS PROJECT AROSE BECAUSE THE EDMOND LIBRARY IS THE BUSIEST BRANCH IN THE STATE, AND THE YMCA IS, UH, SEEKING TO FILL MORE NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY BY OPERATING IN A FACILITY THAT IS CLOSER IN SIZE TO THE MITCH PARK.

Y UH, THAT IS THE BUSIEST OF THE 14 BRANCHES, UH, BUS Y OF THE 14 BRANCHES IN THE GREATER OKLAHOMA CITY AREA.

SO, UH, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT RECENTLY ABOUT THINGS HAPPENING AT HAYFORD PARK.

UH, RECENTLY THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE MOU WITH THE EDMUND LAND CONSERVANCY, ENABLING AN $800,000 GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE CHARLES DA NATURE PRESERVE.

UH, IF APPROVED, THAT GRANT WOULD FUND A BRIDGE OVER SPRING CREEK, UH, TRAILS AND OUTDOOR CLASSROOM.

UH, THE IMAGES YOU SEE THERE ARE WORK ON THE $17.5 MILLION, UH, AC CAPING BASEBALL FIELDS.

UH, RENOVATION IS ONGOING.

UH, THINGS ARE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE NEXT PICTURE, UH, SUBJECT TO, UH, THE FINDING OF TRASH AS WE GO THROUGH, AS THAT IS A FORMER LANDFILL.

SO THAT IS, UH, PROJECT'S STILL ONGOING, STILL HOPEFULLY ON TRACK, BUT WE ARE ENCOUNTERING A LOT OF, LOT OF OBSTACLES AS WE GO.

UH, THE DESIGN FOR PELICAN BAY AQUATIC CENTER, UH, THE UPDATES TO THAT IS WRAPPING UP AND CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN AFTER THE 2025 SWIM SEASON.

AND THEN ON A HAPPY NOTE, THERE'S A NEW RESTROOM THAT IS NOW OPEN THERE.

SO THESE PROJECTS ARE ALL PART OF OUR COMMITMENT TO INVESTING, INVESTING IN OUR PARKS, AND ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE ON THE CITY ABOVE.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FOR THE CITY MANAGER? WHAT IS THE TARGET DATE ON AC KAPLAN? I THINK ON THE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW? DECEMBER.

DECEMBER, 2025.

JANUARY, 2026.

SO JANUARY OF 26.

DON'T WANNA UNDER, UH, UNDER PROMISE OVER, OVER PROMISE.

UNDER DELIVER.

THERE WE GO.

RIGHT? ONE OF THOSE.

YEAH.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[3. Recess of the Edmond City Council Meeting and Call to Order of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting.]

SO MOVE, MR. MAYOR A MOTION.

SECOND.

SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

WE ARE NOW IN THE PUBLIC WORKS MEETING.

WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS UNDER THE PUBLIC WORKS GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. COUNSEL, ARE THERE ANY OF THESE ITEMS YOU WANT PULL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING ITEM, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON ITEM FOUR, A, B, C, AND D? MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND THERE.

MOTION SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT WE HAVE THE,

[4. Public Works Authority General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Public Works Authority. Members of the Public Works Authority may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]

UH, AND I'M SORRY, WE, WE DO HAVE SOME THE SPRING

[B. Spring Creek Improvements and Creek Bend Trail Projects:]

WE'RE GONNA HAVE STAFF COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.

YES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COUNCIL CITY MORRIS, CITY ENGINEER.

UH, THE NEXT THREE AGENDA ITEMS HAVE TO DO WITH THE PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN THE SPRING CREEK BASIN.

UH, THE PRIMARY PROJECT IS A REPLACEMENT OF A SANITARY SEWER, UH, THAT IS UNDER CAPACITY, AS WELL AS HAD NUMEROUS WASHOUTS DUE TO THE OF THE SOIL.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE, UH, TRAIL PROJECTS PLANNED.

WE'VE GOT A CREEK BEND TRAIL THAT HAS TWO ENDS TO IT, BUT NO MIDDLE.

THIS WOULD COMPLETE THE MIDDLE.

UM, THIS IS THE LARGEST TRACK, UH, OF THE 12 PARCELS NEEDED FOR THE SANITARY SEWER.

SO IT'S APPROXIMATELY 40 ACRES.

YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE MAP IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, UH, LISTED AS, UH, INTEGRATED FINANCIAL SERVICES, UM, OF THE 40 ACRES, ABOUT 29 ACRES OF THAT FLOODPLAIN.

UM, AS, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, WE'VE, WITH THIS PROJECT, WE'VE BEEN PURCHASING THE FLOODPLAIN INSTEAD OF JUST BUYING EASEMENTS ACROSS IT.

UH, FLOODPLAIN HAS VERY LITTLE VALUE, COMMERCIAL VALUE, UM, BUT HAS A HIGH VALUE TO THE CITY.

WE'RE USING THIS AREA AS A BUFFER FOR OUR LAKE TO IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY GOING INTO OUR LAKE, AS WELL AS, UH, SOME RECREATION AND OTHER USES.

UM, SO THE SETTLEMENT AMOUNT THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, IS IN THE RANGE OF FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR THE PROPERTY, AND, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM FIVE? B ONE, TWO, AND THREE? THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT VARIOUS FOLKS HAVE, UM, PUT INTO ACQUIRING THESE PIECES OF PROPERTY.

YES, AND JUST FOR THE COMMUNITIES IS A CONSTANT EVOLUTION TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO PROTECT OUR WATER QUALITY.

MM-HMM .

AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT, TO HELP PROTECT OUR WATER QUALITY AT ACADIA LAKE, THE STEPS THAT WE'RE TAKING NOW FOR THE FUTURE.

AND WE'LL HAVE A NICE WALKING TRAIL.

MM-HMM .

NOT, YES.

NICE TRAIL ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON ITEM FIVE B ONE, TWO, AND THREE? MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND YOU HAVE MOTION.

SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THOSE THREE ITEMS ARE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY, AND WE WILL SEE THEM AGAIN IN ANOTHER SECTION.

NEXT, WE

[6. Adjournment of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting and Reconvene the Edmond City Council Meeting.]

SO, MOVE MAYOR.

SECOND.

MOTION TO SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THOSE 11.

UH, CITY COUNCIL GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS HAVE BEEN PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT WE'RE ON TO ITEM EIGHT.

MAYOR, THAT MOTION? I WAS FINE.

WHAT WAS I DOING? OH, I'M SORRY.

THAT WAS, YES, I'M SORRY.

I SAW IT, BUT I JUST READ PAST IT.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE MOTION TO ADJOURN THE ADMIN PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING AND RECONVENE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

MM-HMM .

NOW

[7. City Council General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Council. Members of the Council may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]

WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THERE WE GO.

NOW THOSE 11, CITY COUNCIL GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS HAVE BEEN PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

NOW WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS THE CITY COUNCIL.

DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION ITEMS. WE HAVE ITEM

[B. Spring Creek Improvements and Creek Bend Trail Projects:]

COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON

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NO.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS ONE? I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS EIGHT.

B ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

SECOND.

JUST SECOND.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

OKAY.

ITEMS EIGHT, B ONE, TWO AND THREE HAVE BEEN PASSED.

ITEM THREE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT WE'RE

[A. Case No. Z24-00018; Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ___ Rezoning from “D-0” Suburban Office to “PUD Z24-00018” Planned Unit Development for Kind Enterprises, LLC, Located on East Side of Santa Fe Avenue, North of Mill Valley Boulevard. (Kind Enterprises, LLC; Ward 4)]

PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR KIND ENTERPRISES LLC LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF SANTA FE AVENUE NORTH OF MILL VALLEY BOULEVARD, KIND, ENTERPRISE LS CS THE APPLICANT.

IS APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

VERY GOOD.

UM, AS INDICATED, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING MAP FOR A PUD.

YOU CAN SEE THE SITE LOCATED HERE, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SANTA FE AVENUE AND MILL MILL VALLEY BOULEVARD.

IN TERMS OF CURRENT USE, THE SITE IS ZONED DO AND IS APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES IN SIZE, NORTH AND EAST OF THE SITE IS ZONED A AND DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

FURTHER TO THE EAST IS ZONED A PUD AND IS DEVELOPED WITH TWO FAMILY STRUCTURES TO THE SOUTH, IS ZONED D THREE AND IS UNDEVELOPED TO THE WEST ACROSS SANTA FE IS ZONE C ONE PUD DEVELOPED WITH TWO FAMILY AND TOWN HOME STRUCTURES.

THE PROPOSED PUD MASTER DESIGN STATEMENT, UM, RESTRICTS USAGE TO RESIDENTIAL GROUP LIVING, SPECIFICALLY LOCATED IN TWO RESIDENTIAL STYLE BUILDINGS WITH A MAXIMUM OF 16 UNITS IN EACH BUILDING.

SO FOR A TOTAL OF, UH, 32 UNITS MAXIMUM ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UM, SETBACKS ARE ESTABLISHED AT 70 FEET ON THE EAST, 45 FEET ELSEWHERE.

UH, SIX FOOT SITE PROOF FENCING WILL BE INSTALLED ALONG THE NORTH AND EAST PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT WILL BE 35 FEET.

UM, IN TERMS OF ACCESS, THE APPLICANT TEAM WILL WORK DILIGENTLY TO OBTAIN PERMISSION FOR MEDIAN CUT ON MILL VALLEY BOULEVARD.

THEY'RE ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE SITE TO ALLOW FULL ACCESS VIA DRIVE ONTO MILL VALLEY.

IF ALL OPTIONS TO OBTAIN THE REQUIRED PERMISSION ARE EXHAUSTED, THE DEVELOPER WILL WORK WITH CITY ENGINEERING STAFF TO DETERMINE THE SAFEST DESIGN FOR A DRIVE ONTO SANTA FE.

THE PD SPECIFIES THAT THIS DRIVE WOULD MEET SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS FROM EITHER MILL VALLEY BOULEVARD OR FROM BIGHORN THAT'S NORTH, THAT'S JUST NORTH OF THIS SITE, AND ACROSS SANTA FE TO THE WEST.

THE EDMOND PLAN 2018 CATEGORIZES THE SITE AND THE IMMEDIATE AREA AS S ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS CATEGORY IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND CAN SUPPORT SLIGHT INCREASES IN DENSITY.

THE USE IN THE PROPOSED PUD ALIGNS WITH THE INTENT EXPRESSED IN THE EDMOND PLAN AT THE REGULAR PUBLIC HEARING ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2025.

PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? NO.

DOES THE APPLICANT LIKE TO HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY? UH, GOOD EVENING.

I'M TODD MCKEN.

I REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER, UH, MR. MRS. LUNA, THE HERE TONIGHT.

UH, DAVID JONES IS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD ON THIS PROJECT.

JUST TO MENTION A COUPLE QUICK THINGS, KIND OF TO AFFIRM, UH, WHAT KEN SAID ABOUT THE ACCESS POINT.

IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION.

SO I'M ONLY TELLING YOU THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT I TOLD PLANNING COMMISSION.

WELL, BECAUSE IT'S TRUE.

I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I'M TELLING YOU.

BUT , I'M ALSO TELLING YOU WHAT I TOLD PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO EDMOND HAS A UNIQUE HISTORY OF DOING THINGS THAT SOMETIMES WE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.

SO THIS MILL VALLEY ROAD IS A PUBLIC ROAD.

UH, AND THAT'S A MEDIAN THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE.

THAT'S NOT, UH, HAS ANY BREAK IN IT.

BUT THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION OWNS THAT MEDIAN.

THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, THE HOA AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL DOESN'T EXIST.

IT, WE CAN'T FIND ANYBODY YET.

WE'RE GONNA KEEP LOOKING, BUT THE IDEA ABOUT, UH, GETTING CONSENT FROM THEM TO CUT THROUGH THE MEDIAN TO HAVE AN ACCESS POINT THERE THAT, UH, KEN MENTIONED IS SOMETHING WE'LL TRY TO DO.

BUT DON'T BE SURPRISED IF YOU SEE ME BACK UP HERE WHEN WE DO A SITE PLAN ASKING FOR THIS ACCESS POINT THAT'S ON SANTA FE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL ABILITY TO GO THROUGH THERE.

SO JUST FYI, I MEAN, I'M NOT JUDGING THE FUTURE, I JUST DON'T WANNA MISLEAD YOU AND COME BACK UP HERE.

BUT THAT'S THE THING.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACING.

WITH RESPECT TO THAT, AS KEN SAID, THERE'S A SEPARATION ISSUE THERE.

THERE'S A SITE SAFETY ISSUE WE'RE WORKING WITH AND DAVID'S WORKING WITH THE EXCELLENT CITY STAFF AND ENGINEERING TO KIND OF COME TO A SOLUTION IF WE GET THERE.

SO ANYWAY, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.

IT'S A ASSISTED LIVING PROJECT THAT THE LUNA ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT AND WE'RE

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HAD A GREAT COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AT MY OFFICE ON JANUARY 16TH.

I SAY GREAT IN THE SENSE I WAS THERE, DAVID WAS THERE, THE APPLICANT WAS THERE, OUR ARCHITECT WAS THERE, AND ONE COUPLE WHO OWNED SOME RENTAL PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOWED UP.

AND WERE IN FAVOR OF OUR PROJECT.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

IT'S GREAT PRO, GREAT PROJECT.

WE NEED MORE OF THESE.

I AGREE.

THANK YOU.

COUNSEL.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? VERY GOOD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON THIS APPLICATION HERE? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM NINE A CASE NUMBER Z TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 1 8.

I MEAN, JUST ONE COMMENT.

UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING FROM SUBURBAN OFFICE TO THIS USE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO INCREASE, UM, THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE MUCH.

UM, AND IT IS A NEEDED AMENITY.

I'M NOT SURE WE NEED MANY MORE SUBURBAN OFFICE COMPLEXES, SO SEEMS LIKE A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELL COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON THIS ITEM CASE? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NINE A CASE NUMBER Z 24 0 0 0 1 8.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

YOU HAVE A MOTION? SECOND.

SECOND.

DO WE, I GUESS NOBODY WANTED TO TALK.

NO, NO ONE.

I DID.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM .

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT ITEM PASSED? FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU.

NEXT IS ITEM NINE B CASE NUMBER Z 24 DASH 0 0 0 2 0 PUBLIC HEARING.

CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4 0 2 5 4 0 2 5.

REZONING FROM D THREE PUD OFFICE, COMMERCIAL PLAN, UNIT DEVELOPMENT D THREE OFFICE COMMERCIAL AND DO SUBURBAN OFFICE TO PUDZ 24 0 0 0 2 0.

PLANNING UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR TURTLE CREEK STORAGE LOCATED ON SOUTH SIDE OF EAST 15TH STREET EAST OF BRYANT.

B-L-D-L-L-C IS THE APPLICANT.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 15TH STREET.

EAST OF BRYANT SITE IS ALMOST SIX ACRES IN SIZE.

THE SITE'S CURRENTLY ZONED D THREE PUDD THREE AND DO TO THE NORTH LOOP SITE IS ZONE D THREE PUD AND IS DEVELOPED AS A BANK AND AN OFFICE, EAST AND SOUTH ZONE D THREE AND A DEVELOPED AS A SMALL OFFICE PARK AND SINGLE FAMILY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD RESPECTIVELY TO THE WEST IS ZONE D THREE AND IS DEVELOPED AS A PLACE OF WORSHIP.

THE PUD DESIGN STATEMENT, UH, LIMITS USES TO SELF STORAGE FACILITY WITH SUPPORTIVE OFFICE SPACE.

THE BEAUTY ESTABLISHES UH, ZERO FOOT SETBACKS EXCEPT AS REQUIRED BY BUILDING CODE AND A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 25 FEET.

THE PD SPECIFIES THE LIGHTING SHALL COMPLY WITH CITY STANDARDS AND BE DIRECTED DOWN AND AWAY FROM ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

THE PD SPECIFIES BORDER STANDARDS AND EIGHT FOOT DECORATIVE SECURITY FENCING SHALL GO AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, INCLUDING A 30 FOOT SECTION OF SITE PROOF FENCING ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY.

THE DETENTION AREA WILL BE LOCATED AT SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING IN THAT AREA.

ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE SHARED WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.

NO ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY WILL BE REQUIRED.

THE PUD LIMITS THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 6:00 AM TO 11:00 PM UM, BY RESTRICTING CUSTOMER ACCESS OUTSIDE THOSE HOURS, THE ADMIN PLAN CATEGORIZES THE SITE AS SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL.

THE PUD MASTER PLAN CAREFULLY ADDS SERVICES TO THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREA WITH THE CAREFUL DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO THE SITE.

THE PD MEETS THE INTENT OF THIS CATEGORY AT THE REGULAR PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 7TH, 2025.

PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

SO YOU DID CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE, THE PROPOSALS TO USE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY OF THE BANK.

SO THAT'S, I'LL CALL IT CO-MINGLING OF THE ASSETS SO IT WON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY.

UM, AND THEN WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, THIS IS A, UM, DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION YOU WERE GOING TO EITHER GOING UP THE HILL OR DOWN THE HILL ON 15TH STREET, AND WAS THERE ANY CONCERNS OR, OR THE, JUST THE NORMAL CONCERNS ABOUT LINE OF SIGHT, UH, PEOPLE, UH, TRAVERSING ON 15TH STREET? YES, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, NO ADDITIONAL

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AND THE IDEA OF, UM, NOT HAVING TO DEAL WITH A AN ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY WAS SEEN AS A, AS A POSITIVE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR STAFF? OKAY.

WOULD APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? GOOD EVENING.

I'M TODD MCINNIS.

I REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER, RODNEY BABB.

HE'S HERE.

JANI RODNEY'S OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

UH, HE DEVELOPED THE IBC BANK, UH, LOCATION AND THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN HIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

HE PICKED UP ANOTHER ACREAGE TO ASSEMBLE THIS TOGETHER SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

UH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

WE HAD A COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS.

DO WE STILL CALL 'EM THAT? SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM ANYMORE CLOSE ENOUGH.

YOU CALLING THEM THAT? MM-HMM .

HOW ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD GET TOGETHERS? SO WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD GET TOGETHER AT MY OFFICE ON JANUARY 2ND.

UH, AND WE HAD A HALF DOZEN OR SO RESIDENTS THERE.

AND, AND I, I JUST WANNA SAY RODNEY HAS DONE, I THINK, A REALLY GOOD JOB OF REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND HAVING A GOOD DIALOGUE WITH THEM.

HE MET THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND IN A CUL-DE-SAC OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS.

AND, AND WE HAD SEVERAL OF 'EM THAT SPOKE AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND I, I, I CERTAINLY WON'T JUDGE THEM WHAT THEY MIGHT SAY TONIGHT, BUT WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD DIALOGUE ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE IN THIS AREA AND SITE.

THIS IS WHERE THE SITE FRUIT FENCING IS GOING.

WE HAD AGREED THAT NO LIGHTING WOULD BE FACING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NO SECURITY CAMERAS WOULD BE FACING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WOULD LIMIT OUR ACCESS HOURS TO THE, UH, 6:00 AM TO 11:00 PM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO.

UH, AND THEN OUR FENCING WOULD BE, UH, WILL BE IRON FENCING, BUT ANYTHING YOU COULD SEE FROM THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE A BRICK FACADE ON THE BUILDING.

'CAUSE THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE BRICK.

UH, WHILE WE COULD PUT A FENCE DOWN HERE, THAT'D BE A BAD IDEA JUST BECAUSE IT'S BAD FOR THE FOLIAGE AND OTHER THINGS.

AND SO RODNEY'S GONNA WORK WITH HIS LANDSCAPE ENGINEER AND OTHER FOLKS TO MAKE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THE FENCING THROUGH THERE BECAUSE THIS IS ALL PRETTY THICK AND THERE'S NO SENSE TAKING OUT ALL TREES HERE TO MEET OUR, OUR OBLIGATION TO PUT FENCING ALONG THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.

THAT IS, THAT IS OUR BOUNDARY RIGHT THERE.

SO, UH, UH, JUST A GOOD PROJECT.

UH, THIS, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.

I, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED TURNING UNITS IN THE PEAK HOUR IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE TRAFFIC.

FROM THE DEVELOPER STANDPOINT.

THAT'S NOT A HARD AND FAST RULE.

THAT'S KIND OF THE RULE.

MANY STORAGE IS ONE OF THE MOST BENIGN USES YOU CAN HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO NOISE AND TRAFFIC AND LIGHTING AND ACTIVITY.

AND SO IT JUST DIDN'T RISE TO THAT LEVEL.

PLUS, WHEN WE DEVELOPED THIS BANK, WE GAVE OURSELVES THE RIGHT TO GET BACK HERE THROUGH THAT ONE DRIVE.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW DRIVES UP AND DOWN 15TH STREET AND ADDING ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE A VARIANCE AND WE WEREN'T EVEN WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT.

UH, I, I DO WANNA SAY ONE THING THAT I THINK YOU WILL HEAR TONIGHT.

THERE IS A DRAINAGE PROBLEM IN TURTLE CREEK.

I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S NOT SHOCKING TO ANYBODY.

UH, AND SO I'LL JUST REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT OUR OBLIGATION IS OF THE DEVELOPER IS, UH, THAT THE WATER MOVEMENT, VOLUME AND SPEED POST DEVELOPMENT CANNOT BE ANY GREATER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY AS IT EXISTS.

AND SO THEN THE QUESTION COMES UP, WELL, HOW CAN YOU PUT A BUNCH OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OUT THERE AND DO THAT? WELL, THAT'S OUR ISSUE WITH OUR POND.

THAT'LL BE IMPROVED TO THE EXTENT IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, TO RETAIN WATER AT, ALLOW IT TO SEEP OUT AT THE RATE THAT IT IS TODAY.

SO, UH, THERE'S ALREADY A PROBLEM IN TURTLE CREEK, WE'RE NOT ADDING TO THAT.

THE CITY OF EDMOND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT MAKES SURE OF THAT.

UH, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THERE.

SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? NO, THAT'S ALL I NEED.

NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, BUT A COMMENT REAL QUICK.

MAYOR.

YES SIR.

UH, I, A CITIZEN REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND UH, THANKS FOR ACCOMMODATING THAT TO, I BELIEVE YOU CLOSED AT 11:00 PM THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH.

THAT, YES.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

OKAY.

NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? OKAY.

THIS IS THE,

[B. Case No. Z24-00020; Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ___ Rezoning from “D-3 PUD” Office Commercial Planned Unit Development, “D-3” Office Commercial, and “D-0” Suburban Office to “PUD Z24-00020” Planned Unit Development for Turtle Creek Storage, Located on South Side of East 15th Street, East of Bryant Avenue. (BLD, LLC; Ward 3)]

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? ITEM NINE BZ TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 2 0? YES, SIR.

I SEE YOUR HAND.

AND THEN THE MAN WITH NEW YORK.

ALRIGHT, ROGER SHORT, UH, 2001 TURTLE CREEK AND IN THAT BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, YOU SEE THAT LITTLE EDGE THAT'S JUTTING OUT.

THAT'S MY HOUSE.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A POINT OF REFERENCE AS FAR AS WHERE I LIVE IN CONJUNCTION TO WHERE THIS PROJECT IS AND THE APPLICANT AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE HAVE BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING WITH INFORMATION AND HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL REGARDLESS, I'M STILL CONCERNED WITH ONCE THAT 5.83 ACRES CHANGES INTO CONCRETE INSTEAD OF THE PERMEABLE GRASS THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'LL BE SOME ENGINEERING OR THERE'LL HAVE

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HAVING A RETAINING WALL THAT SITS JUST DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THAT, UH, WHAT'S RIGHT NOW DETENTION AREA AND HAVING TO REPAIR THAT ALREADY AT MY OWN EXPENSE.

I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE INCREASE IN FLOW BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE HOW THERE WON'T BE AN INCREASE IN FLOW BECAUSE YOU'RE CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE.

BUT, UM, MY, THE, MY CONCERN IS THE INCREASE IN FLOW IS GOING TO QUICKLY OR AT LEAST MORE QUICKLY DIMINISH MY NEW PORTION OF MY RETAINING WALL RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, ANOTHER NEIGHBOR THAT IS JUST SOUTH OF THAT PICTURE HAS HAD TO DO THAT RECENTLY AS WELL.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO AND THAT THEY WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR TITLE 23.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW GOING FORWARD, WE KNOW WHAT THE FLOW RATE IS NOW AND HOW ARE WE GONNA KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA CHANGE OR WON'T CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

AND THEN MY OTHER CONCERN WOULD JUST BE, UM, THE LIGHTING ASPECT OF CHANGING THE ARTIFICIAL LIGHT.

'CAUSE I KNOW THAT, UM, WITH THE STANDARDS, THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A CERTAIN CHANGE WHEN YOU ABUT A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

UM, SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER CONCERN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH LIGHT'S COMING INTO MY BACKYARD TODAY COMPARED TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, WHENEVER THIS GETS BUILT OUT.

SO THOSE ARE MY PRIMARY CONCERNS.

OKAY.

UM, IS THERE, JUST A MINUTE MA'AM.

UM, IS IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM STAFF THAT HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THE, THE WATER FLOW ISSUE AND HOW THAT DETERMINATION WILL OR WILL NOT BE MADE? YEAH.

AS, AS FAR AS THE STORM WATER, UM, THE ORDINANCE SHOW, UH, HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR DETENTION ON THE PROPERTY.

BASICALLY THEY DO A STUDY OF WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE FOR THE TWO YEAR STORM UP THROUGH THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, UH, TO TELL HOW MUCH WATER IS RUNNING OFF OF THE SITE.

AND WITH THAT THEY WILL DESIGN A DETENTION POND WITH, UH, VERY SPECIFIC OUTLET DEVICES, WHICH WILL, UM, ONLY ALLOW THAT AMOUNT OF FLOW OUT FOR THE SAME STORMS. SO BASICALLY THE RATE OF FLOW OUT OF THE DETENTION POND SHOULD BE THE SAME AS THE PRE-DEVELOPED CONDITIONS.

OKAY.

IT HAS TO BE THE SAME.

MM-HMM.

YES.

AND SO THE, THE SAME ON THE, THE SAME TYPE OF DISCUSSION FOR THE LIGHTING.

UH, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE AND UH, I REMEMBER WHEN OUR, THE, UM, THE BIG GROCERY STORE CAME ON 15TH AND SANTA FE, THEIR LIGHTING WAS HELPED BECOME ONE OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S ALL DOWNWARD FACING SHIELDED.

AND THE ONLY TIME YOU COULD REALLY TELL IT'S THERE IS WHEN IT'S FOGGY.

BUT IS THAT THE, THE SAME, UH, CRITERIA THAT WE'RE USING HERE FOR, FOR OUR CITY GUIDANCE? YES, BILL OVER LIGHT IS, UH, RESTRICTED WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT, AND THAT IS MEASURED NOT AT, THAT'S NOT MEASURED AT THE STRUCTURE THAT'S MEASURED AT THE LOT LINE.

AND SO AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT A LIGHTING PLAN OR THE PHOTOMETRIC DRAWING.

UM, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF LIGHTING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S A CONCERN WITH THAT, WE HAVE A WAY TO GO AND INVESTIGATE.

AND IF THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SHIELDING, UM, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY FAIL TO MEET THAT STANDARD ONCE THE LIGHTING IS INSTALLED.

VERY GOOD.

YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, MR. LAWRENCE, UH, AS MR. SHORT, HE ASKED HOW DO WE KNOW THE, THE DRAINAGE TODAY AND WHAT IT WOULD BE IF THIS IS APPROVED, HOW DO WE VERIFY THAT FOR HIM? SO THE APPLICANT WILL HIRE A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER THAT WILL DO THE STUDY, DO THE DESIGN, THEN THEY'LL SUBMIT THAT TO CITY ENGINEERING STAFF.

OUR STORMWATER, UH, STAFF ENG OF ENGINEERS WILL LOOK THROUGH THE STUDY, VERIFY THAT IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THE CONDITIONS, MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES SENSE.

UM, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT, UH, AND AND MAKE SURE IT MAKES SENSE AND, UH, THAT IT, THAT IT IS, UH, AS BEST INFORMATION THAT WE CAN HAVE AVAILABLE.

YEAH.

WELL AND THEY DON'T, THE STORM WATER FOLKS AND THE ENGINEERS ARE, ARE PRETTY DILIGENT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT FLOW DOES NOT INCREASE BECAUSE NOT ONLY CAN IT DAMAGE THIS RESIDENT'S HOME, BUT IT CAUSES

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AND, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT CHECKING THAT.

AND IF THERE'S ANY VARIANCE IN THAT, THEN IT WILL ALSO GO BEFORE THE STORM WATER ADVISORY BOARD.

AND, UM, THEY DON'T USUALLY LOOK VERY KINDLY ON INCREASE AND FLOW.

SO I HAVE, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THIS, UM, RETENTION POND WHEN IT IS CONSTRUCTED BY THE ENGINEERS, BOTH BY THE DEVELOPER AND LOOKED OVER BY THE STAFF, WILL BE COMPLETELY ADEQUATE TO KEEPING THAT FLOW THE SAME.

THERE'S A LOT OF LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH STORMWATER, UH, DESIGN.

SO ENGINEERS ARE USUALLY VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT.

VERY, IT'S A BIG THING.

SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG THING.

IT'S A BIG THING.

AND WE TAKE THAT REALLY SERIOUS IN THE CITY OF EDMOND NOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW I WAS JUST GONNA SAY COUNCILWOMAN PETERSON IS ON THE STORM WATER BOARD SWAP BOARD AS THE MAYOR.

MM-HMM .

AND THE MAYOR.

OBJECTION.

CAN I'VE HEARD HER SAY BEFORE, SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, HOW MUCH IS OKAY? AND SHE'S LIKE, ZERO.

ZERO NONE.

YES MA'AM.

PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S CARRIE REDDING AND MY ADDRESS IS 2005 TURTLE CREEK.

UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WANTED TO BE HERE AND FOR DIFFERENT REASONS COULDN'T BE.

AND SO TO REITERATE WHAT MR. SHORT BROUGHT UP, THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE FLOODING ISSUE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

AND WHILE I'M NOT HERE TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE WITH ANYONE, NOT MR. BABB NOT THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE SHARED AS A HOMEOWNER WHEN YOU CONTINUALLY SEE THE FLOODING RESULTS, THE FLOODING.

AND I BROUGHT SOME PICTURES AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY BLOW THESE UP INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IF IT'S ALLOWABLE TO EVEN SHOW THEM TO YOU ON MY PHONE.

UM, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT ISSUE, IT RUNS THROUGH THAT CREEK BEHIND OUR HOMES.

IT RUNS UP BACK UP, HAZELHURST COMPLETELY FILLS THE GREEN, UH, THE GREEN AREA RIGHT THERE OFF OF 15TH AND CROSSES OVER 15TH.

WE CONTINUALLY HAVE ISSUES WITH DEBRIS.

THE CITY DOESN'T WANNA MANAGE THAT.

WE COME BACK AND AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSTANTLY ARE OUT THERE.

WE HAVE SEVERAL WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS WHO GET OUT THERE AFTER EVERY RAIN AND GET ALL THE DEBRIS THAT'S PLUGGING UP UNDER THAT BRIDGE UNDER THE OVERPASS OF 15TH STREET OUT.

IT'S A CONTINUAL ISSUE.

WE HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE SPENT UPWARDS OF $80,000 INDIVIDUALLY FOR RETAINING WALLS.

SO NO, WE'RE NOT LIKE THRILLED.

WE'RE ALL FOR BUSINESS.

RODNEY HAS BEEN FANTASTIC ABOUT TALKING WITH US AND SHARING STUFF.

I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE THIS ISSUE TO THE DEGREE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN, ANY OF US CAN SAY WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA INCREASE OUR ISSUE WITH FLOODING.

I JUST DON'T EVEN SEE HOW THAT'S LOGICAL WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE FLOODING TO THE DEGREE THAT WE HAVE IT EVERY SINGLE TIME IT RAINS TO ADD 6,000 FEET OF CONCRETE FOR NO ABSORPTION OF THIS WATER.

AND IT'S MISLEADING TO SAY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A RETAINING POND.

IT'S NOT A POND.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S MORE OF AN APPARATUS TO HELP WITH THE FLOW.

IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL POND TO RETAIN THE EXTRA WATER.

SO IT IS GONNA INCREASE THE FLOW.

IT IS GONNA INCREASE DOWN THIS CREEK INTO THE GREEN BELT THAT ALREADY FLOODS AND ALREADY FLOODS ACROSS THE ROAD.

SO AGAIN, IF YOU WANNA SEE THESE PICTURES, I'M GLAD TO BRING THEM UP THERE AND LET YOU SHARE THEM.

UM, THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAD IN CON CONCERNS ABOUT AS NEIGHBORS AND AGAIN, HAVE ADDRESSED IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH RODNEY, WERE THE VISUAL SIGHTLINES FOR SEVERAL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE ARE VISUALLY LOOKING AT THIS, UH, FACILITY AND SO WE DID SHARE OUR CONCERNS FROM THE GET GO AS FAR AS WE'RE ESSENTIALLY 50 YARDS AWAY FROM THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION.

AND SO WE DID SHARE OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE VISUAL LOOK OF IT AS WE ALL SPEND A LOT OF TIME OUTDOORS IN OUR BACKYARDS AND ON OUR DECKS AND REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO VISUALLY SEE THIS NEW FACILITY OR HAVE THE NOISE AND HAVE THE NOISE DISTURBANCE AND THE HVAC UNITS BLOWING ALL THE TIME AND THE LIGHTING AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

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AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO STOP PROGRESS OR STOP THIS GENTLEMAN FROM DOING WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.

AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE APPROPRIATE WAYS TO ADDRESS ALL THESE THINGS.

WE JUST WANT IT NOTED, WANT TO SEE THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE SHARED THAT THEY CAN DO TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, THAT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY DOCUMENTED SOMEWHERE.

SO IF BY CHANCE THEY DON'T HAPPEN, WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF RECOURSE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE? YES SIR.

IN THE BACK PLEASE COME DOWN AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

MY NAME IS JOHN WOOD, UH, 1821 CHAPARRAL LANE AND, UH, KIND OF RIGHT THERE IN THE CENTER AT THE BOTTOM, UH, OF THE MAP THERE.

AND UH, OUR PRIMARY CONCERN WITH THIS PROJECT IS NOT SO MUCH WITH THE WATER FLOW BECAUSE WE'RE UPSTREAM, I BELIEVE, OF WHERE THERE WOULD BE ANY WATER ISSUES.

UM, OUR CONCERN HAS BEEN MORE SO WITH SIGHT LINES.

UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES BEHIND OUR HOUSE.

UM, IT, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF THOSE WILL BE SAVED.

AND SO, UH, AND WE'RE HIGHER THAN THE LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND SO OUR CONCERN IS A LITTLE BIT WITH THE LIGHTING.

UH, AND ALSO JUST THE FACT THAT, UM, THOSE VIEWS SINCE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN US, WILL BE LOOKING INTO OUR BACKYARD, UH, OF, OF OURSELVES AND SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

AND SO, UM, IF, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT SOME OF THAT FOLIAGE CAN BE, UM, UH, UH, CAT, THAT WOULD BE I THINK, HELPFUL AS FAR AS KEEPING US FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT BEHIND US WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THOSE VISUALS FROM THE PROPERTY.

SO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SIR.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE RIGHT NOW? COUNSEL? IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES? A COUPLE THINGS IF I COULD.

UH, RIGHT ON TIME.

GREG MASSEY WITH RED PLAINS ENGINEERING IS HERE.

HE'S OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD ON THIS PROJECT AND HE'LL BE OVERSEEING THE HYDROLOGY STUDIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES INTO THIS PROJECT.

RED PLAINS HAS BEEN DOING ENGINEERING IN EDMOND FOR TWO GENERATIONS AFTER ONE OF THEM LEFT BEING THE CITY ENGINEER AND STARTED THIS BUSINESS.

SO HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF DOING GREAT WORK IN THE CITY OF EDMOND AND SO THEY'LL BE DOING THAT.

UH, THE IDEA ABOUT THE HVAC AND THE NOISE, UH, THAT, THAT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON COMPLAINT.

I I LOOKED ON MY PHONE AS YOU SAW IN YOUR PACKET.

THE ZONING HERE IS D THREE RIGHT NOW.

UH, ONE OF THE USES THAT WE COULD PUT IN THERE TODAY IS A FITNESS FACILITY.

UH, THE NOISE FROM HVAC RUNNING POOL EQUIPMENT IS SIGNIFICANT.

THE NOISE FOR RUNNING SOME STORAGE AND MAYBE SOME CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE IS, IS RELATIVELY INSIGNIFICANT TO THAT.

SO, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE REALITY OF PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED AND EXISTS IN A COMMUNITY.

UM, WE DID THE IBC BANK IN 2010.

UH, THIS RETENTION POND I GOT IN TROUBLE FOR CALLING IT A DETENTION POND LAST TIME.

IT IS DETENTION, WELL I SAID IT WRONG.

WE'LL, UH, WILL BE IMPROVED.

IT WILL BE MODIFIED AS PART OF OUR PROJECT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE STORMWATER ENGINEERS IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.

WE WILL NOT BE HERE SEEKING A VARIANCE.

WE WON'T COME BEFORE THE SWAB BOARD ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THAT.

WE'RE NOT THE ONLY SITE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THIS CREEK, UH, THAT PROBLEM HAS EXISTED.

AND, AND I CERTAINLY AM NOT EVEN GONNA TRY TO EXPLAIN ANY ENGINEERING THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND MYSELF.

SO, BUT, UM, THAT'S THE NATURE OF OUR PROJECT AND THAT'S THE EXPERTS THAT'LL BE LEADING THAT WITH US.

SO AS FAR AS THE SITE LINES, I THINK THAT CAME UP, I'LL JUST MENTION THAT, UH, WE HAVE THESE POTENTIALLY COULD BE TWO STORY.

THAT'S THE LIMIT I THINK FOR OUR HEIGHT, RIGHT, RODNEY.

AND SO THERE'S NOT LIMITS THAT ARE SHORTER THAN THAT IN D THREE AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.

AS FAR AS SIGHT LINES, YOU WON'T SEE ANYTHING BUT BRICK FROM ANY OF THE EXTERIOR LOCATIONS.

I GUESS IF HE'S HIGHER UP, YOU CAN SEE THE TOP OF HIM, WHICH ARE NOT GONNA BE BRICK.

UH, AND THEN WE PUT THIS SITE PROOF FENCING, AS I SAID EARLIER, RIGHT HERE 'CAUSE OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE RESIDENTS BACK THERE.

SO, UH, CERTAINLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE SITUATION, BUT THAT'S THE, THE REALITY OF OUR APPLICATION IN THE SITUATION.

THANK YOU.

MR. MCGINNIS, CAN YOU TOUCH ON MR. WOOD COMMENT, UH, ABOUT SOME TREES AND LIGHTING? TALK ABOUT THAT? YEAH, THE LIGHTING WILL, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY VARIANCES ALLOWED IN OUR LANDSCAPE OR IN OUR LIGHTING.

UH, SO WE'LL COMPLY WITH THE SHOEBOX LIGHTING THAT

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WE WON'T HAVE ANY LIGHTING FACING THE RESIDENCE OR THE NEIGHBORS AS, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY COULD HEAR HIM.

AS KEN BRIAN SAID, THE ILLUMINANCE OR THE TEST OF THE PHOTOMETRICS IS AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

IT'S NOT WHERE THE LIGHT IS.

AND OUR SPILLAGE NUMBERS HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND.

AND, AND WE WILL WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

AS FAR AS THE TREES, UH, THIS'LL BE A SITE PLAN PROJECT, SO IT'LL COME BEFORE, IT WON'T COME BEFORE YOU.

IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY VARIANCES, IT'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'LL WORK WITH THIS URBAN FORESTRY AND EVERYBODY ELSE TO BE COMPLIANT, UH, WITH THE PLANT COUNT UNITS AND THE LANDSCAPING ON THE PROJECT.

THEY, RODNEY TOOK ME IN HIS TRUCK AND WE DROVE AROUND OUT THERE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO.

UH, IT'S INTERESTING WHEN NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT URBAN FORESTRY AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HEAVILY FORESTED AND THEN THERE IS, THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREAT TREES.

THERE'S A LOT OF RED CEDAR AND OTHER TREES, BUT WE'LL WORK WITH URBAN FORESTRY AND WITH THEIR OWN FORESTER TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING, UH, ATTENTIVE TO THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.

IT SAYS IN OUR PUD THAT WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY VARIANCES FROM THE LANDSCAPING.

SO I, I'LL I'LL MENTION ONE OTHER THING IF I COULD.

UH, MRS. REDING ASKED HOW WE MAKE SURE THIS IS ENFORCED AND THAT'S ALWAYS A, THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS A GREAT QUESTION AND I THINK THE CITY IS WORKING SO THAT OUR PUDS AFTER, IF THEY WERE TO GET APPROVED, WE BRING THEM BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS REPRESENTED.

HOWEVER, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH APPLICANTS LIKE US SO THAT WHEN WE MAKE CONCESSIONS, WE MODIFY OUR DOCUMENTS.

SO ALL THE THINGS I'VE REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT ARE IN THE PUD DOCUMENT THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.

IT'S NOT, HEY, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE GONNA GET READY TO BUILD THIS THING.

THEY GO LOOK AND SEE IF TODD MCKENNA SAID SOMETHING IN THE MINUTES THAT NOBODY CAN REMEMBER OR NOT.

SO, SO THE APPLICATION THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS COMPLIANT WITH THE APP REPRESENTATIONS I'VE MADE HERE TONIGHT AND THAT WE DISCUSSED EITHER PLANNING COMMISSION OR IN THE CUL-DE-SAC OR AT MY OFFICE OR WHATEVER.

SO THAT'S THE UH, GOVERNING DOCUMENT GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

IF I HAD, IF I WAS KEEN FOR THE DAY, I WOULD LOVE IF WE HAD SOME TYPE OF, UM, AND I, I KNOW IT'S OUT THERE AND STAFF KNOWS I'M GETTING READY TO SAY IT, BUT THE VISUAL, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HEIGHT DIFFERENCES AND ALL THAT, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE IT ON OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT HOUSE AND THAT TREE AND THAT BUILDING.

HE GIVES A A, UM, GIVES A BETTER PERSPECTIVE OF THE VISUAL THING.

UM, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE ONE DAY WE CAN HAVE THAT APPLICANT DO THAT OR THE CITY STAFF, WE HAVE THAT, THAT CAPABILITY SINCE WE ARE MOVING IN, UH, TECHNOLOGY OUT THE BOUND.

ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ON ITEM NINE? CAN I COMMENT? YES.

UM, SO I EMPATHIZE WITH THE SITUATION.

I UNDERSTAND THE FEAR, BUT THERE REALLY ARE PROTECTIONS IN THE LAW IN THE ORDINANCE WHERE THEY CAN'T BUILD THIS IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENGINEERING SPECS THAT WILL MEET IT.

AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CITY ATTORNEY, BUT IF SOMEHOW THEIR ENGINEER GOT IT WRONG AND IT IS INCREASING THE FLOW, THEN BOTH THE OWNER AND THE ENGINEER WELL WILL BE SUED.

AND I'M SURE THEY TURN AROUND AND SOO THEIR ENGINEER AND THEY'RE GONNA FIX IT, RIGHT? CANNOT INCREASE THE WATER FLOW.

AND THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IS IF IN VARIANCE IS OFFERED, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ONE.

AND I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE IT NEVER WOULD BE GRANTED ANYWAY.

SO THERE'S MORE STEPS IN THIS PROCESS AND IT CAN'T GET PAST PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE SITE PLAN UNLESS IT COMPLIES LIGHTING, DRAINAGE, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, AND THEN, I MEAN, THERE ARE PROTECTIONS IN THE LAW FOR YOU GUYS.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE, WELL THEY SAID NO, THERE'S NO CHOICE.

MUST MUST NOT HOPE THEY DO AND LOOK BACK AT MINUTES.

UM, BUT I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE FEARS, BUT I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THERE ARE PROTECTIONS WITHIN THE, THE SITE PLAN BUILDING PROCESS TO PROTECT THOSE THINGS.

UM, AND FURTHERMORE, IF, IF SOMEHOW SOMETHING WENT AWRY, UM, I MEAN THERE'S LIABILITY AND I THINK LIKE, UM, SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, THOSE ENGINEERS DON'T WANT TO GET SUED, RIGHT? UM, SO THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE AND IT WILL NOT INCREASE THE FLOW.

IT CANNOT AND THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES.

UM, SO I I I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

WE HAVE PROTECTIONS IN THE LAW TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.