Mar 04, 2025 Planning Commission

NUMBER D, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

[D. Case No. EPC24-00012; Public Hearing and Consideration of an amended Final Plat for Capitol View Addition, located between 2nd and 4th Streets and between Boulevard and Rankin. (City of Edmond; Ward 1)]

SECOND.

MOTION CARRIES, UH, VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND WILL BE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL 3 24 25.

NUMBER E I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

[E. Case No. EPC24-00013; Public Hearing and Consideration of an amended Final Plat for Capitol View Fourth Addition, located north of 9th Street and between Boulevard and Rankin. (City of Edmond; Ward 1)]

I'LL SECOND.

MOTION CARRIES A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO WILL BE HEARD AT PLAN CITY COUNCIL ON 3 24 25.

ITEM NUMBER

[F. Case No. EPC24-00014; Public Hearing and Consideration of an amended Final Plat for Capitol View Third Addition, located south of 6th Street and between Boulevard and Rankin. (City of Edmond; Ward 1)]

F I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND MOTIONS APPROVED.

FOUR TO ZERO WILL BE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL.

3 24 25.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

[G. Case No. EPC24-00015; Public Hearing and Consideration of an amended Final Plat for Clegern Place (Lots 1-11), located east of Rankin along Clegern Drive. (City of Edmond; Ward 1) ]

NUMBER G

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SECOND, THAT'S APPROVED ON VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND WILL BE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL 3 24 25.

ITEM NUMBER

[H. Case No. EPC24-00016; Public Hearing and Consideration of an amended Final Plat for Clegern Place (Lots 12-15), located on the northeast corner of Rankin and Clegern Drive. (City of Edmond; Ward 1)]

H I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

I'LL SECOND ITEMS APPROVE.

FOUR TO ZERO WILL BE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL.

3 24 25.

NUMBER I I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

[I. Case No. EPC24-00017; Public Hearing and Consideration of an amended Final Plat for Clegern Place (Lots 16-59), located east of Rankin along both sides of Timber Lane. (City of Edmond; Ward 1) ]

I WILL SECOND THAT'S APPROVED TO VOTE A FOUR TO ZERO AND BE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL 3 24, 25.

[J. Case No. EPC24-00018; Public Hearing and Consideration of an amended Final Plat for Clegern Place (Lots 60-68), located west of East Drive between Park Place and Timber Lane. (City of Edmond; Ward 1)]

AND ITEM NUMBER J I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT ONE AS WELL AND I WILL SECOND THAT ITEM IS APPROVED IN ACCOUNT OF FOUR TO ZERO AND WILL BE HEARD AS CITY COUNCILS ON 3 24 25.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WE'LL MOVE ON

[K. Case No. DD24-00009; Consideration for a Lot Split for 509 Benton Road, located northeast of 9th and Rankin. (Ripple Creek Homes; Ward 1)]

TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER K, CASE NUMBER DD 24 DASH 0 0 0 0 9.

CONSIDERATION FOR A LOT SPLIT FOR 5 0 9 BENTON ROAD LOCATED NORTHWEST OF NINTH AND RANKIN.

UM, AND WILL BE PRESENTED BY KEN.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A LOT SPLIT.

THE LOCATION SHOWN HERE ON THE MAP IS AT 5 0 9 BENTON ROAD.

THIS IS LOCATED NORTHEAST OF RANKIN AND NINTH STREET IN A PLATTED EDITION, IT'S ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY.

THE CASE DETAILS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, THE CURRENT LOT IS 17,500 SQUARE FEET.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT IT BE SPLIT INTO TWO LOTS OF 8,750 FEET SQUARE FEET EACH.

THE ORIGINAL PLAT INCLUDED 13 LOTS ALONG THIS BLOCK.

IT WAS DEVELOPED AS 11 LOTS, WHICH IS WHAT IS THERE CURRENTLY.

IF THE LOT SPLIT IS APPROVED, IT WOULD RESULT IN 12 LOTS ALONG THE BLOCK.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OF THE COMMISSIONERS? THIS WOULD BE MAKING THE SUBJECT LOT THE SAME SIZE.

THIS WILL BE MAKING THE SUBJECT LOT THE SAME WIDTH AS THE ONE TO THE LEFT OF IT.

IS THAT RIGHT? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE MEASURED THAT MAYBE THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO NO, NO.

WE'LL ASK THAT OF, OF, OF THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY COME UP.

YEAH, WE CAN CHECK THE APPLICANT.

I THINK WHAT I SAW, I THINK IT WAS 62 AND A HALF FEET ROUGHLY ON FRONTS, WHICH I THINK THE ONES NEXT TO ARE 85 ISH OR 77 SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DID, WE ASK, UH, WE VERIFY THAT IT MEETS THE MINIMUM FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL.

GOTCHA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF FROM THE COMMISSIONERS APPLICANT? WOULD YOU CARE TO, UH, ADD ANYTHING TO THE PRESENTATION OR LET THE CITY STAFF PRESENTATION STAND ON ITS OWN? NO, THAT THAT'S FINE.

WE WILL MOVE TO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE, OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO THE APPLICANT.

UH, JUST ONE QUESTION, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A, UH, A, A STABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, VERY UH, OLD.

UH, HOW DO YOU, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO MAKE THOSE, UH, NEW STRUCTURES COMMENSURATE WITH, UH, THOSE AROUND IT? SO WE TRY TO BUILD THEM AS NICE AS POSSIBLE.

WE CAN, WE BUILT A SIMILAR PRODUCT ON FOURTH STREET, NOT FAR FROM THERE AND WE PLAN TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

UH, WHAT SIDE OF RANKIN WAS THAT ON? IT IS ON THE, UH, EAST, UH, WEST SIDE.

I HAVE ONE FOR YOU.

UM, NORMALLY ANYTIME WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE'LL THE APPLICANT WILL DO SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND REACH OUT TO HIM JUST TO FEEL HIM OUT.

HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, I'M NOT SURE.

I'M, I'M JUST FILLING IN FOR MY BOSS.

HE HAS THE FLU.

SO I'M, I'M NOT QUITE SURE, BUT, UH, OKAY, THANKS.

I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION.

I MEAN, SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD MAKE THESE THE SMALLEST LOTS IN THAT AREA, UM, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING 'CAUSE I LIKE TO HAVE OUR STUFF KIND OF MATCH THE AREA.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK ON THE WEST SIDE OF RINK, AND THOSE ARE THE SMALLEST SIDE LOTS, THESE, IT APPEARS TO BE THE SMALLEST, ABOUT 85 FOOT FRONTS.

THERE MIGHT BE AN OCCASIONAL 77, MAYBE ONE OR TWO.

UM, MAYBE TALK THROUGH THAT.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE, HOW WE FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE QUITE A BIT SMALLER AND KIND OF CREATING A COUPLE OF LOTS THAT DON'T REALLY APPEAR TO MATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIT TWO HOUSES ON THERE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRING TWO NICE HOUSES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THERE WAS ONE.

BUT, UM, IT WILL BE A, A HIGH END HOME.

IT'LL, IT'LL BE 3,300 SQUARE FEET AND IT'LL BE LIKE THREE 50 UH, EACH SIDE.

EACH SIDE? YEAH.

EACH SIDE ABOUT 350 A SQUARE FOOT.

SO IT'LL BE A NICE HIGH END HOME THAT SHOULD FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THEY'LL ADD TO IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE APPLICANT? THANK

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YOU.

HAVE SEAT.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? PLEASE COME UP.

WE'LL CALL ON YOU FIRST AND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, THAT'D BE GREAT.

RANDY TAYLOR, UH, 5 0 1 BENTON ROAD.

UM, MY WIFE IS THE ONLY ONE IN THIS WHOLE AREA THAT WAS BORN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT.

, THE ORIGINAL ONE.

SHE'S BEEN THERE EVER SINCE.

AND WE LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT THE SAME YEAR AS THAT ONE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTED TO BUY THAT HOUSE AS WAS.

IT WAS A GREAT HOUSE AND THEY OFFERED ALMOST TWICE WHAT, WHAT IT SOLD FOR IF THEY CAME IN AND TORE IT DOWN.

AND IF THEY PUT A NICE HOUSE THERE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE MUCH COMPLAINING.

BUT YOU KNOW WHERE MY HOUSE IS, IT ANGLES AT THE SIDE.

THE REASON IS THE CLARENS AND THE ROCKIES, WHEN THEY DEVELOPED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WANTED THE CORNERS OPEN AND WANTED TO OPEN FIELD.

SO OUR HOUSE AND THE ONE ON THE NORTH CORNER NORTH OF US ARE THE ANGLE.

SO THAT, THAT WHOLE THING HAD A LITTLE MORE SPACIOUS LOOK AND UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK MINE IS ALMOST THE SAME SIZE AS THAT LOT.

IT JUST LIKE 0.3, UH, ACRES LESS.

UM, BUT THAT WILL CHANGE THE ENTIRE FEEL AND LOOK OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND TO GET THE SIZE HOUSES THEY WANT, THEY'RE GONNA BE THE TALL, SKINNY HOUSES AND IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE SOME YOUNG GUYS BUCK TEETH, YOU KNOW, .

AND I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE AND IF THIS SPLITS YOU ALSO SET A PRECEDENCE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING.

AND WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH A BUNCH OF ROW HOUSING IN THERE.

SAID, NOT CAUSE AS MUCH DISAGREEMENT, BUT TO COME IN HERE AND DIVIDE THAT LOT.

THANK YOU SIR.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, FROM THE THANK YOU WHO COME UP, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE QUESTIONS WE CAN HELP GET YOU ANSWERED.

MY NAME IS PAULA BLACKSTOCK.

I LIVE AT 5 0 4 BENTON ROAD, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE LOT IN QUESTION.

I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR ALMOST 27 YEARS AND HAVE MADE LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WITHOUT MESSING WITH THE FACADE.

AND THAT IS THE TREND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

PEOPLE DO A LOT OF RENOVATIONS ON HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY DO NOT MESS WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.

THAT IS PART OF THE HISTORY OF EDMOND.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS OF HISTORICAL VALUE TO THE CITY OF EDMOND BECAUSE AS YOU TRACE THE GROWTH OF EDMOND FROM DOWNTOWN TO SAY NINTH, THE HOUSE BETWEEN SECOND AND BETWEEN BOULEVARD AND BRYANT AND SECOND AND NINTH CREATE A VERY DISTINCTIVE HISTORICAL PRESENCE FOR THIS TOWN.

THE HOUSES BUILT IN THE TWENTIES, YOU CAN TELL WHICH ONES THEY ARE.

THE THIRTIES, THE FORTIES, THE FIFTIES, SIXTIES.

WHEN YOU GET TO BENTON ROAD, YOU'RE IN THE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE FIFTIES AND EARLY SIXTIES AND THEY'RE RANCH STYLE HOUSES.

THEY ARE ONE STORY HOUSES.

THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE TWO STORY HOUSE IN THE 500 BLOCK OF BENTON ROAD.

AND FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND SPLIT MRS GARRETT'S LOT INTO TWO SKINNY LOTS AND BUILD TWO TALL SKINNY HOUSES ON THEM WILL BE AN INSULT TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAVE SEEN THE HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT ON FOURTH THAT THE GENTLEMAN REFERRED TO.

IT IS A LOVELY HOUSE.

IT DOES NOT FIT IN WITH THE BLOCK.

THAT BLOCK IS FULL OF CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSES AND THEY WENT IN AND PUT THIS ALMOST THREE STORY NARROW SKINNY HOUSE IN THERE, WHICH AS I SAID EARLIER, IS AN ATTRACTIVE HOUSE, BUT IT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CARE A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE HISTORY OF EDMUND, ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ABOUT ITS HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE.

YOU LOOK TO A CITY LIKE SAVANNAH, GEORGIA, THEY REGRET SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DID IN THE PAST BEFORE SCED, THE SAVANNAH COLLEGE OF ART AND DESIGN CAME IN AND TOOK OVER THE PRESERVATION.

I THINK EDMUND HAS A FEW THINGS THEY MIGHT REGRET.

I STRONGLY REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE GONNA TEAR DOWN THE TERRITORIAL SCHOOL OVER HERE ON SECOND.

WOULDN'T THAT HAVE BEEN A SHAME? SO I THINK YOU REALLY HAVE TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BEING PART OF THE HISTORY OF EDMOND AND IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST, UM, IT'S NOT JUST A SUBDIVISION AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS GENTLEMAN LIVES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IF HE DOES LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, HE SHOULD CARE ABOUT IT.

AND UM, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU LOOK OVER ONE STREET OVER ON TIMBER LANE, ALMOST ALL OF THOSE HOUSES HAVE HAD RENOVATION DONE, BUT THEY HAVE NOT MESSED WITH THE BASIC DESIGN OF THE HOUSE.

AND IF HE WANTS, MR. HARRIS WANTS TO COME IN HERE AND PUT A NICE ONE STORY HOUSE IN THAT LOT THAT WOULD PROBABLY, AS RANDY

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MRS. GARRETT IS ROLLING OVER IN HER GRAVE.

SHE LIVED IN THAT HOUSE FOR 40 YEARS AND IT WOULD JUST KILL HER TO SEE THIS HAPPENING.

SHE WAS 96 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE DIED.

AND I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE HISTORY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THERE, EVERYBODY WHO LIVES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS LIVED THERE FOREVER.

SO WE LIKE IT.

AND WHEN I TELL PEOPLE WHERE I LIVE, THEY DON'T SAY, OH, I LOVE THOSE HOUSES.

THEY SAY, I MEAN, THEY DON'T SAY, I LOVE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEY SAY, I LOVE THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL REALLY COOL.

SO I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT HE, THAT PAUL HARRIS AND BILL IS GONNA BE COOL IN THE SENSE THAT OUR HOUSES ARE LIKE RANDY AND LEANNE TAYLOR LIVE IN HER GRANDPARENTS' HOUSE.

THIS IS HISTORY SO DON'T GO MESSING IT UP PLEASE.

ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST, UH, DARRELL OSUS.

I'M AT FIVE 40 BENTON ROAD, SO I'M JUST HERE FOR A VOICE FOR THE OTHER END OF THE BLOCK.

WE'RE ON THE, UH, ON THE FAR EAST END.

UH, BUT JUST TO EVERYONE'S POINT THAT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PUTTING TALL HOUSES IN, SPEAKING ON OUR END OF THE BLOCK, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS COULDN'T BE HERE, BUT I SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF.

NONE OF US ARE FOR THAT.

WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE THAT WILL MATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK WE'LL FULLY SUPPORT THAT.

BUT TO GO IN AND CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT WITH A TALL TWO STORY, THREE STORY HOUSE, IT DOESN'T FIT.

AND LIKE RANDY SAID, IT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE ELSE BUYS SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE, KNOCKS IT DOWN AND JUST DOES WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND, AND CHANGES THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO WISH TO SPEAK? I'M JOHN JAMES.

5 1 5 BENTON ROAD DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR.

UM, SO I LOOKED AT THE, THE EDMOND CONFERENCING PLAN AND LOOKED AT KINDA WHAT THE WORDING WAS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WHICH IS 4.3 0.9 URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.

SOME OF THE WORDING THERE THAT I SAW WAS SAYS, I'LL QUOTE, MOST OF THIS AREA CONTAINS MATURE URBAN TREE CANOPY IS A HIGHLY DESIRABLE AMENITY THAT SHOULD BE REPLENISHED AS NEEDED.

MASTER PLANS THAT INCLUDE PORTIONS OF THE AREA OFTEN STATE THAT A NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.

IT GOES ON TO SAY, IN BUILDING TYPES, MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS TEND TO BE MODESTLY SIZED BUT ELEGANT, ELEGANTLY DESIGNED.

NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CATEGORY PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE THE WALKABLE HUMAN SCALE THAT MAKES THESE AREAS A QUOTE TREASURED COMMUNITY ASSET.

SO I THINK AS MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK, I THINK THE BIG ISSUE IS THIS, YOU KNOW, SPLITS THIS LOT INTO TWO REALLY SMALL LOTS AS FAR AS I COULD TELL, THE SMALLEST TWO LOTS EAST OF RANKIN.

UM, AND I THINK FILLING THOSE WITH TWO STRUCTURES SIDE BY SIDE DOES NOT TO ME FEEL LIKE A TREASURED COMMUNITY ASSET.

UM, AND DOESN'T FEEL RESPECTFUL OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AS THE PLAN STATES.

UM, TO ME IT'S GONNA BE AN OUTLIER EITHER WAY.

I WOULD JUST, UM, HOPE WE COULD REALLY STRONGLY CONSIDER LIMITED IT TO ONE OUTLIER.

SAVANNAH OF PAULA MENTIONED SAVANNAH.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS, THIS, UH, AGENDA ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU.

HELLO, I'M LIZZIE TEI.

I LIVE, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS AT 5 0 8 BENTON ROAD.

UM, I HAVE A FEW STORIES TO TELL.

UH, I'VE LIVED IN CLARE AND CAPITOL HILL NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 2007.

UH, GROWING UP FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE, I LIVED IN, I MOVED EVERY YEAR SINCE I UNTIL I WAS 17.

SO I MOVED STATES, I MOVED HOUSES.

I'VE LIVED IN LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHEN I MOVED BACK TO OKLAHOMA, I SAW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND I SAID, THAT'S WHERE I WANNA MAKE MY HOME.

AND THE THING THAT DREW ME IN, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD IGNORE THAT.

IT IS THE CHARACTER IN THE SPIRIT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I WAS A YOUNG ADULT AND THEN I MARRIED AND I'VE RAISED MY THREE CHILDREN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, MY OLDEST IS 14 AND WHEN SHE WAS YOUNG WE STROLLED DOWN JACKSON.

I'VE NEVER FOUND A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I COULD WALK SO FREELY.

UM, AND I THINK PART OF THAT IS THE LARGE SPACE THAT WE HAVE, THOSE LARGER LOTS, THOSE OLDER HOMES.

I ACTUALLY LIVED IN ONE OF THE FIRST SEARS CATALOG HOUSES , UM, ON THIRD STREET.

AND UH, I'VE SEEN SO MANY OF THESE HOMES IN MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE, NASHVILLE, UH,

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AND THESE HOUSES HAVE BEEN BEAUTIFULLY RESTORED.

THOSE HOUSES WERE BUILT SO SOLID AND SO BEAUTIFUL.

UM, I WOULD LOVE, I WOULD LOVE TO TO KEEP THAT CHARACTER.

I HAVE JUST A FEW MORE THINGS.

YOU'RE GOOD.

BECAUSE I COVERED SO MUCH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN MY CHILDREN WERE LITTLE.

UM, I KNOW PERSONALLY EVERY HOME IN CLARE AND CAPITOL HILL, AND I KNOW MANY PEOPLE, SEVERAL STREETS AWAY, I DON'T KNOW MANY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE SEVERAL STREETS DOWN SOMETIMES.

UM, EXCUSE ME, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EDMOND AND ALL THE ACTIVITIES WE'RE A WALK FROM SEVERAL PARKS AND YET SOMEHOW IT IS QUIET AND SERENE.

SO AS JOHN POINTED OUT, UM, THERE IS SOME WORDING ABOUT MODEST SIZE HOMES, TREE CANOPIES, AND THE LARGER PROPERTIES.

UM, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE WE NEED A BIGGER HOME WITH ME AND MY THREE DAUGHTERS.

I HAVE A 14-YEAR-OLD AND AN 11-YEAR-OLD AND A 9-YEAR-OLD.

IT GETS BUSY OVER THERE, BUT HERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S SOMETHING WE CANNOT BUY.

UM, WE DON'T NEED BIGGER.

WE ARE CONTENT AND WE SIT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND I WATCH MY KIDS RIDE BIKES DOWN THE STREETS.

WHEN A TREE FALLS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE PLANT A NEW ONE.

UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'VE SEEN ALL THE WAY SINCE 2007.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS BUILT WITH ENOUGH SPACE TO WALK IN AND ENJOY OUR NEIGHBORS.

UH, WE, I THINK THAT BILL BUILDS BEAUTIFUL HOMES.

I DO.

UM, SO I ONLY ASK THAT THE MODEST SIZE AND ATMOSPHERE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, MOST WHO BUY HERE, AS WE'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT, IS MOST PEOPLE WHO BUY HERE RENOVATE TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE HOMES.

AND I FEAR THAT BY TAKING AWAY FROM THE LANDSCAPE AND BUILDING LARGER HOMES AND CHANGING THE CHARACTER, WE ARE JUST OPENING THE DOOR TO CONTINUE TAKING AWAY THE SPIRIT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPERTY OR THE AGENDA ITEM? I MEAN, HEARING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS OF ANY OTHER OKAY.

ALRIGHT, ALL APPLICANT.

DO YOU MIND COMING BACK UP REAL QUICK? I THINK AS YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SIZE AND HOW DOES IT FIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN QUESTION.

I KNOW I DIDN'T WANNA KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANY FURTHER, I WANNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SURE.

TO ADDRESS THOSE.

UH, I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALL MY LIFE AS WELL AND, UH, UM, YEAH.

UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO CHOOSE TO REMODEL THEIR HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE, UH, THERE'S A HOUSE THAT WAS RECENTLY REBUILT.

IT'S A VERY LARGE HOUSE, JUST ONE STREET OVER AND UM, IT TURNED OUT, I THINK IT ADDS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S A GREAT HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, UM, WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

THERE ARE OTHER TWO STORY HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ON BENTON ROAD, MAYBE NOT ON BENTON ROAD, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ONES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND SO WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO ADD A FEW MORE GREAT QUALITY HOMES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? NOPE.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, I MEAN, SO YOU'VE HEARD THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT, YOU CAN, UM, REQUEST A CONTINUATION OR WE CAN MOVE TO A VOTE.

IT'S KIND OF UP TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE TO A VOTE OR YOU CAN ASK FOR THE CONTINUATION JUST BASED ON THE CONVERSATION YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

UM, I HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY MY BOSS'S THING.

I GET IT.

YEP.

UM, BUT, UH, AND THIS, YEP.

HANG ON GUYS, PLEASE.

UM, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE I CAN, I CAN, WE CAN PROCEED ON AS, AS SCHEDULED.

JUST I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE EITHER.

I, I THINK HE'D PROBABLY WANT TO PROCEED ON.

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT WE HAVE THE, UM, ITEM AS BEING PRESENTED.

I LOOK FOR A MOTION.

UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO UH, BRING THIS TO A VOTE.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

WE HAVE A SECOND ON A VOTE OF THREE TO ONE.

THE, THE ITEM DOES FAIL, HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT WHERE IT STOPS.

IT DOES STILL PROCEED ONTO CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

AND SO THAT WILL PROCEED ONTO CITY COUNCIL WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE THREE TO ONE FAILURE ON IT.

IT WILL BE HEARD ON 3 24 AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER L, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER Z 24 DASH 0 0 0 2 6.

NOW WE NOW

[L. Case No. Z24-00026; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “G-A” General Agricultural to “R-2-A” Suburban Estate District for the property located at 5201 Mountain View Circle. (Gabriela Cordova; Ward 2) ]

PUBLIC HEARING.

CONSIDERATION OF REZONING FROM GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE TO RAR TWO, A SUBURBAN ESTATE DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 52 0 1 MOUNTAIN VIEW CIRCLE AND MR. BRIAN WILL PRESENT.

OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.

YEAH, AS INDICATED, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL

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YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION HERE, 52 0 1 MOUNTAIN VIEW CIRCLE.

THIS IS ON THE FAR NORTH SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN VIEW PARK EDITION.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 180,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS 4.14 ACRES APPROXIMATELY.

NEARBY ZONING INCLUDES A MIX OF GA, GENERAL AG R ONE RURAL ESTATE DISTRICT AND L TWO LAKE RESIDENTIAL, MOST OF WHICH IS DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL USES.

THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A BUYRIGHT ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS WITH LAR RELATIVELY LARGE SETBACKS.

THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 60,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE EDMUND PLAN, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DESIGNATES THIS AREA, RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE R TWO A DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS TIME? OKAY, APPLICANT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO FURTHER THE CONVERSATION, OTHER ADD TO THE PRESENTATION BY MR. BRYAN? NO THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT'S AT THIS TIME? OKAY, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS AGENDA ITEM? OKAY, HEARING NONE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND AND A SECOND ITEM IS APPROVED ON A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND THAT ITEM WILL BE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL ON 3 24 OF 25.

[M. Case No. Z24-00009; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “A” Single-Family to “PUD” Planned Unit Development for 820 W 2nd Street, located southwest of W 2nd Street and Story Street. (Noble REH; Ward 1)]

MOVING ON TO AGENDA NUMBER M AND MR. WINTER COMMISSIONER WINTER WILL BE PRESENT FOR, WILL BE TAKING OVER AS CHAIR.

YOU CAN DO THIS ONE.

OH, THIS ONE? YEAH, I GOT ONE MORE, I'M SORRY.

YEP.

CASE NUMBER Z TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 0 9.

PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION FOR THE REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AT EIGHT 20 WEST SECOND STREET LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF WEST SECOND TO STORY STREET AND MR. BRIAN WILL PRESENT.

UM, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO, UH, FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO PUD.

YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION HERE ON THE MAP AT EIGHT 20 WEST SECOND STREET.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 5,663 SQUARE FEET NEARBY.

ZONING AND USES INCLUDE TO THE WEST, NORTH, AND EAST.

ALL ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY AND DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO THE SOUTH IS ZONED E ONE RETAIL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND IS DEVELOPED AS SONIC DRIVE-IN THE PUD DESIGN STATEMENT INCLUDES SOME THE FOLLOWING DETAILS.

TWO.

FAMILY DWELLING IS THE ONLY ALLOWED USE.

THE SETBACKS INCLUDE 25 FEET FROM THE FRONT, WHICH IS OFF SECOND STREET, 15 FEET IN THE REAR OF THE LOT AND FIVE FEET ON THE SIDES.

THE MAXIMUM DWELLING HEIGHT OR BUILDING HEIGHT IS SET AT 30 FEET.

THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ONTO SECOND WILL BE CLOSED AND ACCESS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE ALLEY TO FOUR OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.

THE EDMUND PLAN DESIGNATES THE AREA AS URBAN, AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD SINGLE TO AND LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS ARE ALL APPROPRIATE IN THIS CATEGORY, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO FUNCTION AS A TRANSITION FROM MORE INTENSE DOWNTOWN AREAS TO LESS INTENSE SUBURBAN AREAS.

DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CATEGORY SHOULD SUPPORT ACTIVE MOBILITY AND WALKABILITY.

STEPH, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTION OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR CITY STAFF? MR. BRIAN, I HEAR YOU RIGHT THAT WE ARE CLOSING THE UM, DRIVEWAY ON SECOND STREET AND WILL ONLY ACCESS WILL BE FROM THE PUBLIC ALLEYWAY.

UH, YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE PROPOSAL.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT HERE.

UM, THERE, THAT KIND OF UH, FOOTPRINT ON THE RIGHT MM-HMM .

SHOWS, SHOWS THE ALLEY ACCESS AND THEN THE FOUR PARKING SPACES ON THE SOUTH PORTION.

AND WITH THAT, THAT TYPICALLY REQUIRES PUBLIC ALLEYWAY IMPROVEMENTS, CORRECT? YEAH, THEY'LL HAVE TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ALLEY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OF CITY STAFF? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I LIVE ON ONE OF THE ALLEYS AT FIRST AND FRETS AND THE ALLEY'S IMPROVED HALFWAY THROUGH THE BLOCK.

IS THAT WHAT'S TYPICAL WHEN AN APPLICANT IMPROVES THE ALLEYWAY? THEY ONLY IMPROVE TO WHERE THEIR LOT IS.

I, THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS EVERY DAY I DRIVE INTO THE MY HOUSE, IT'S VERY ROUGH FOR PART OF THE DRIVE AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL PAVEMENT.

IS THAT HOW THIS IS GONNA BE OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? I I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WILL BE THE CASE.

UM, IT'S DIFFICULT.

IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF DIFFICULT TO REQUIRE THE ALLEY IMPROVEMENT ACROSS PROPERTIES THAT THEY DON'T CONTROL.

MM-HMM .

SO THIS IS LIKE A MID-BLOCK SITUATION.

UM, KEITH MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S THE REASON THAT YOU'RE SEEING, WILL THE IMPROVEMENT BE FROM THE EAST OR THE WEST TO THIS LOT? THINK THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT'S FROM THE EAST WHERE THE ALLEY WILL BE ACCESSED FROM.

IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IS ALL PAID RIGHT NOW AS A PART OF THE SONIC SITE.

AND THAT IS CURRENTLY,

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GOTCHA.

YOU GOOD RYAN? YOU HERE? GOTCHA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS TO THE CITY STAFF? HEARING NONE, WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION OF MR. BRYANT'S? I THINK IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED THAT HE'LL COME UP HERE.

UM, THE ALLEYWAY'S ALREADY PAVED.

SO GOOD.

ALL IT'LL BE WAS JUST STRAIGHT UP A CURB CUT FOR UM, THE PARKING SPACES FOR THE APRON.

FOR THE DRIVEWAY.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

DO YOU CARE TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE IN THE PRESENTATION? NOPE.

ALRIGHT, THIS WE NOW WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 AND COMMISSIONER WINTER WE'LL TAKE OVER AS CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY, HEARING NONE, MOVE ON TO ANY PUBLIC CON ANY COMMENTS ON THIS FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

I'LL SECOND AND A SECOND.

CAN I START? GOTTA GO.

MOTION CARRIES A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND THIS ONE WILL BE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL ON THREE 10 OF 2025 DUE TO OUR LAST MEETING BEING CANCELED DUE TO THE SNOWSTORM.

[N. Case No. Z24-00011; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “G-A” General Agricultural to “PUD Z24-00011” Planned Unit Development for Creekside Cove, located on northeast corner of Air Depot Boulevard and Coffee Creek Road. (Quail Village Investments, LLC; Ward 2) ]

I SURE DO APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY .

ALRIGHT, UH, LET'S LOOK AT, UH, CASE NUMBER Z 24 DASH 0 1 1.

KEN, WOULD YOU, UH, GIVE US A A SUMMARY OF THIS? ABSOLUTELY.

AS YOU KNOW, AND AS KEITH BADIE CAN TELL US HERE TONIGHT, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT RIGHT OF WAY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURAL TO PUD PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF AIR DEPOT AND COFFEE CREEK.

YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE ON THE MAP.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 29 AND A HALF ACRES NEARBY.

ZONING AND USES INCLUDE TO THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH ZONED GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE AND ARE A MIX OF UNDEVELOPED FLOODPLAIN AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WEST ACROSS AIR DEPOT IS ZONED R ONE RURAL ESTATE DWELLING AND IS DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THE BEAU'S DESIGN STATEMENT, UM, ALLOWS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 12 OF THE 29 ACRES.

THOSE 12 ACRES ARE OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN AND ARE THE ONLY, UM, PROPERTY OF POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.

THE ALLOWED USES ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED TWO FAMILY BUILDINGS AND TOWN HOMES.

THEY'RE SET AT A MAXIMUM OF 145 UNITS.

ALLOWED DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS ON THE, UM, FOR THE UNITS INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY USES, WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT CODE.

FOR TOWN HOMES.

THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WOULD BE 1,250 SQUARE FEET WITH SETBACKS OF 50 FEET ON MAJOR STREETS, 20 FEET ON MINOR STREETS, UH, 20 FEET OR 20% OF THE DEPTH IN THE REAR AND FIVE FEET ON THE OUTSIDE OR ZERO FEET ON AN INTERIOR.

UM, LOT LINE TO ALLOW FOR THE TOWN HOME USE.

MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS 35 FEET.

THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT ZONING CODE AND THAT APPLIES TO ALL BUILDING TYPES.

THE PUD PROPOSES TWO POINTS OF ACCESS FROM AIR DEPOT, THE ADMIN PLAN 2018.

THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS S TWO SUBURBAN TWO NEIGHBORHOOD AND AGRICULTURE.

THE HOUSING TYPES PROPOSED IN THIS PUD CAN BE SUPPORTED IN THE S TWO CATEGORY.

THE PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DESIGNATED AGRICULTURAL WILL REMAIN UNDEVELOPED.

BOTH OF THESE APPROACHES MEET THE INTENT OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY, DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BRIAN? ALL RIGHT, UM, WILL THE APPLICANT WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AND CLARIFICATIONS BEFORE ANY QUESTIONS? I'D BE HAPPY TO THANK YOU.

I'M TODD MCINNIS.

I REPRESENT THE, UH, DEVELOPER AND THE APPLICANT.

ALSO HERE TONIGHT IS KENDALL DILLON WITH CRAFT AND TOLL, THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.

AND ZACH HOLLAND WHO, UH, REPRESENTS THE DEVELOPER.

SO, UH, MR. BRYAN SAID THIS APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EDMUND LONG RANGE PLAN.

THE USES THAT ARE SPELLED OUT IN S TWO ARE A VARIETY OF HOME TYPES SUCH AS TOWN HOMES, GARAGE APARTMENTS, DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, AND QUADPLEXES, AS WELL AS SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS.

SO THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EDMOND 2018 LONG RANGE PLAN.

WHEN WE FILED THE APPLICATION, AS Y'ALL KNOW, THE CITY OF EDMOND GOT OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF DOING COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

AND SO WE INVITED THE NOTICED PEOPLE, UH, TO MY OFFICE.

WE MET ON FEBRUARY 20TH.

UH, MR. AND MRS. GARRETT WERE THERE WHO LIVE IN THE PROPERTY OR HAVE PROPERTIES THE NORTH, THEIR DAUGHTER, UH, LISA WALKER WAS ALSO AT MY

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OFFICE.

AND, UH, WE DISCUSSED THEIR CONCERNS, WHICH I'M SURE THEY CAN COME UP HERE AND SAY IT BETTER THAN I CAN.

TRAFFIC AND DENSITY ISSUES.

UH, THERE MAY BE OTHER PEOPLE THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS COMMUNICATED WITH MY OFFICE, WHICH DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING OTHER THAN I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY.

UH, I TALKED TO THE PLANNING STAFF TODAY AND THERE'VE BEEN A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND SOME OTHER ELEMENTS.

SO LET ME JUST, IF YOU DON'T MIND, KIND OF HIT OUR HIGH POINTS OF OUR PROJECT.

UH, AND I HAVE UH, I THINK A SLIDE THAT I SENT OVER TO CHRISTIE EARLIER TODAY.

BUT AS KEN SAID, WE HAVE 30 ACRES.

OUR MAXIMUM USE IS 145 UNITS.

THAT PLAN RIGHT THERE SHOWS 125 UNITS, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE IS PRETTY INTENSE.

SO IT'S UNLIKELY WE COULD GO A LOT MORE THAN THAT.

UH, THAT'S 4.8 UNITS PER ACRE.

IN EDMOND, WE COUNT GROSS ACREAGE, NOT JUST DEVELOPABLE LAND.

BY COMPARISON, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT GETS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX AND SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE.

SO OUR DENSITY NUMBER, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS SIGNIFICANT HERE IN LIGHT OF OUR ACREAGE, IS NOT SIGNIFICANT AND ALSO IS COMPLIANT WITH THE PLAN.

I'LL MENTION SOMETHING ELSE THAT USUALLY COMES UP, UH, UNDER THE PLAN.

IT HAS GREEN, YELLOW, AND RED DESIGNATIONS.

AND PUD IS ALWAYS IN YELLOW AND THERE'S NOTHING IN GREEN FOR S TWO.

AND SO IT ALWAYS COMES UP, WELL, HEY, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT IT SIGNIFICANTLY.

THIS IS A PROBLEM.

BUT AS KEN SAID, AND AS I JUST REFERENCED, UH, THE USE THAT'S SPELLED OUT HERE IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE AND EDMOND PLAN 2018.

UH, WE KNOW THERE'S LARGER LOTS ALL AROUND THIS AREA.

UH, THAT'S THE NATURE OF DEVELOPING AN EAST EDMOND WHEN WE HAVE A GROWING POPULATION IN A GROWING, UH, DEVELOPMENT BASE.

UH, THE IDEA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS VERY SIMILAR TO BUNGALOW HEIGHTS.

YOU MAY KNOW THAT CALEB MCKAY HAS DONE JUST OFF SAINTS BOULEVARD NORTH OF SECOND STREET, WHICH WAS A FOLLOW UP TO ARBOR CREEK PORCHES, WHICH WAS A FOLLOW UP TO ARBOR CREEK.

UH, I THINK I SENT A A SLIDE TO CHRISTY THAT HAS A PICTURE OF THE RENDERING OF AN ELEVATION.

THIS IS A PRODUCT MIX THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN HERE.

ANOTHER QUESTION OFTEN COMES UP, UH, WHICH IS NOT ADMITTEDLY ALLOWED TO BE ASKED, BUT THEY ASK IT ANYWAY.

IS THIS ALL GONNA BE ONE RENTAL PROPERTY OR IS THESE GONNA BE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED? AND OUR PUD HAS LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS IT TO GO EITHER WAY.

THAT'S A MARKET DRIVEN DECISION BY OUR DEVELOPER.

SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLOT THIS IN INDIVIDUAL LOTS.

IT COULD BE FOR SALE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR IT TO BE ALL ONE OWNERSHIP GROUP.

UH, WE DID THE EXACT SAME THING IRONICALLY, CHRISTIE, CAN YOU BRING UP THE MAP OF THE AREA, UH, OFF OF YOUR ZONING MAP, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I HATE TO ASK YOU TO DO THAT.

SO JUST TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THIS CORNER RIGHT IN HERE, UH, TWO YEARS AGO, ALMOST TO THE DAY MARCH 7TH, 2023, I STOOD RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU AND WE HAD AN APPLICATION BY THE SAME DEVELOPER, UH, FOR 75 ACRES OF WHICH 55 WERE IN THE FLOOD.

AND WE DID A PUD FOR THE EXACT SAME PRODUCT AND FOR 200 UNITS.

AND IT WAS APPROVED BY YOU GUYS BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

AND THEN ON MARCH 27TH, IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE EDMUND CITY COUNCIL.

UH, AND IT HAD THE EXACT SAME HISTORY.

IT WAS ZONED AG AND IT WAS IN THE EDMOND PLAN AS S TWO.

AND SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION BY COINCIDENCE, ALTHOUGH I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCES, BUT IT WAS A CONTINUATION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

PEOPLE ALWAYS WANNA KNOW ALSO, HEY, WHEN'S IT GONNA HAPPEN? WELL, I JUST TOLD YOU I WAS HERE TWO YEARS AGO FOR THIS PROJECT AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A SPADE OF DIRT TURNED ON THIS YET.

SO AS YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS COME TO YOU AND THEY ASK FOR ZONING AND THEN THEY SEE IF THEY GET THAT ZONING, WHICH IF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING.

AND THEN THEY BEGIN THEIR PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD.

NOTHING MOVES QUICKLY.

UH, AND SO THE CONCERN IS TOMORROW THIS LAND'S GONNA BE CLEARED AND THERE'S GONNA BE 135 UNITS.

CERTAINLY THAT'S THE REALITY FOR THE FUTURE.

BUT THIS IS ONE STEP IN THE PROCESS.

A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT TYPICALLY COME UP, I'LL JUST MENTION IF YOU DON'T MIND.

ONE IS DRAINAGE.

IF THE OTHER NIGHT I WAS HERE WITH A MINI STORAGE COMMISSIONER WINTER, RIGHT? AND IT WAS A BIG DEAL.

SO IN EDMOND WE HAVE RULES ABOUT WATER MOVEMENT POST-DEVELOPMENT VERSUS PRE-DEVELOPMENT.

AND OUR RULES ARE THIS, WE CANNOT ALLOW WATER TO LEAVE OUR SITE AT A FASTER RATE OR A HIGHER VOLUME POST-DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW TODAY.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DETENTION FACILITIES OR RETENTION PONDS THROUGHOUT OUR PROJECT.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PLATTING ISSUE THAT COMES UP AT EITHER PLATTING OR SITE PLANNING.

SAME THING WITH TRAFFIC.

HOW WE CONTROL TRAFFIC.

ARE THERE DECELERATION LANES THAT COME OFF OF AIR DEPOT TO TURN INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT? IS THERE SOMEDAY A LIGHT OUT THERE THAT'S DICTATED BY TRAFFIC STUDIES? TRAFFIC STUDIES ARE NOT REQUIRED AT THE ZONING, UH, STAGE OF THE PROCESS.

AND IRONICALLY, EDMOND DOESN'T TYPICALLY REQUIRE TRAFFIC STUDIES WHEN IT'S RESIDENTIAL 'CAUSE THEY PUT IN A NUMBER ALREADY 10 TRIPS PER UNIT PER DAY.

THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE NUMBER THAT WE ACCEPT.

AND SO AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STANDARD, ARE THERE MORE THAN 100 TURNING MOVEMENTS IN THE BUSIEST HOUR OF THE DAY? AND IF THERE ARE, THAT DICTATES CERTAIN THINGS FOR IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SECTION LINE ROADS AND ALSO THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'LL BE TAKEN

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THERE'LL BE TAKEN DOWN HERE AND IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 70 FEET, PROBABLY FROM THE CENTER LINE ON EITHER SIDE GOING NORTH AT SOME POINT IN TIME AS THAT'S IMPROVED.

UH, THERE'S NOT ALL THE ADEQUATE INFRA INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE.

NOW THE DEVELOPER TO DO THAT WILL HAVE TO DRAG SOME.

AGAIN, THAT'S A PLATTING ISSUE.

UH, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO AND WE'LL BE BACK HERE IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE THAT THERE'LL BE NOTICED TO THE NEIGHBORS AND ALL THE THINGS YOU WOULD EXPECT WITH RESPECT TO THAT PART OF THE PROCESS.

SO, UH, SORRY FOR THE LONG-WINDED PRESENTATION.

I JUST WANTED TO DRAW THE DISTINCTION AND THE, AND ACTUALLY THE COMPARISON TO WHAT WE DID ON COVEL TWO YEARS AGO TODAY, WHICH I JUST SAW THAT TODAY.

I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED.

AND ALSO THE PROJECT, I KNOW THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM EITHER FROM YOU OR FROM THE PUBLIC IF YOU HAVE ANY.

UH, JUST A COUPLE.

UH, TODD, DID YOU SAY THAT UH, THAT'S ABOUT 125 UNITS.

THAT DRAWING RIGHT THERE I BELIEVE IS 125 UNITS? YES, SIR.

UM, ARE, DO YOU THINK YOU'LL UM, CHANGE THE, TO REDUCE THAT OR IS YOUR GOAL TO GO TO 143? I DON'T, I MEAN, KENDALL CAN, MR. KENDALL DILL CAN SPEAK TO IT.

I THERE'S ANOTHER DRAWING.

KRISTY DO YOU HAVE HAS 135? I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A BY COMPARISON.

COMMISSIONER WINTER IF I COULD.

SORRY KRISTY, IT'S LIKE I'M ASKING YOU TO DO STUFF LIKE YOU WORK FOR ME.

COMMISSIONER WINTER, IT SHOWS 1 35 AND IT BY ITS LAYOUT WOULD REQUIRE VARIANCE INTO THE FLOODPLAIN.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE VARIANCE ANYWHERE IN OUR PUD.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FROM ANYTHING.

SO WITHOUT SPEAKING DEFINITIVELY, I THINK THAT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SWAB DOESN'T, MR. BEATTY'S RIGHT HERE, HE RUNS SWAB, NO ONE'S GIVEN OUT VARIANCES FOR THE FLOOD.

AND SO THAT 1 25 SEEMS PRETTY, UH, LIKELY TO BE THE MAXIMUM.

WE PUT 1 45 BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL MARKET CONDITIONS.

BUT SIR, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE EXHIBIT THAT'S IN THE PACKET ACTUALLY SHOWS THAT.

THE, YEAH.

SO THAT'S WHY I TOLD CHRISTIE TODAY, THE ONE WE SHOWED TO AT MY OFFICE ON FEBRUARY 20TH IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, UH, THAT HAS THE 125 THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE FLOOD.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THE EXHIBITS ARE ILLUSTRATIONS ONLY, THEY'RE NOT BINDING.

CORRECT.

WE DON'T GET A SWAB.

VARI GIVE US AN IDEA.

YEP.

YES SIR.

UM, YOU DIDN'T MENTION IN THE PUD UH, HOW MUCH OF EACH, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX, MULTI-FAMILY, WHAT, WHAT'S KIND OF YOUR MIX AND WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT, UH, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT THE MULTIFAMILY AND LAST QUESTION ON THAT, WHAT'S THE MULTIFAMILY GONNA LOOK LIKE? IS IT LIKE THE PICTURE YOU JUST SHOWED OR? YEAH, I, I JUST DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE, GIVEN THE LIMIT ON DENSITY, UH, THE TRADITIONAL GARDEN STYLE MULTIFAMILY, IT JUST DOESN'T, YOU CAN'T GET THE DENSITY IN THERE AT 1 45 AT YOUR CAP TO MAKE AN ECONOMIC RETURN.

IT'S AN ECONOMIC DRIVEN DECISION.

SO THE PRODUCT, IF YOU ASK HIM TODAY, CALEB MCKAYLA CANNOT BUILD ENOUGH OF IS BUNGALOW HEIGHTS BECAUSE IT'S THE FOUR OR SIX UNITS.

AND HE WOULD TELL YOU IF I COULD DO ALL OF 'EM FOUR, IT'D BE GREAT 'CAUSE I SELL THE END ONES FOR MORE VALUE.

'CAUSE THEY HAVE A GARAGE AND THEY'VE GOT MORE WINDOWS.

SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO IS THIS TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

I THINK THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT'S WHAT MARKET CONDITIONS ARE GONNA REQUIRE FOR THE COST OF THE LAND AND THE ECONOMICS.

YOU CAN'T TURN ON A GARDEN STYLE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT FOR LESS THAN 300 UNITS.

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.

IS UH, DO YOU CALL THAT A MULTI-FAMILY THAT IS TECHNICALLY TECHNIC MULTIFAMILY.

ALRIGHT.

SO WE'RE IN THE, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PUD, WE STAY AWAY FROM DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY.

THE GROSS MULTIFAMILY IS 16 UNITS PER ACRE.

WE'RE AT 4.8.

SO WE'RE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY RANGE.

MULTIFAMILY IS MORE OF A, AS MR BRIAN WILL TELL YOU, , IT'S A TERM THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE ABOUT OPTIONS OF USES.

SO MULTIFAMILY HAS A HORRIBLE DESIGNATION IN PEOPLE'S MIND AND WE HAVE TO, EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS LIVED IN MULTIFAMILY ONCE, OR THEIR CHILDREN HAVE ONCE IN THEIR LIFE, UH, IT HAS A HORRIBLE DESIGNATION IN EDMOND'S IDEA.

YOU DON'T SAY I'VE GOT 500 ACRES TO BUILD ON, YOU'VE GOT 10 ACRES TO BUILD ON.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION PER THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I JUST HAD ONE.

SO WE'RE DOING 145 UNITS ON 12 ACRE BUILDABLE ACRES.

SO THAT'S 12 UNITS PER ACRE.

BUT WE DON'T, WE HAVE TO USE THE WORD DEVELOPMENTAL, UH, OR DEVELOPMENT PER ACRE.

WELL, SO IN EDMOND THEY DON'T USE THE TERM DEVELOPABLE WHEN IT COMES TO STANDARDS OF DENSITIES.

YEAH, THEY COUNT GROSS ACREAGE LIKE WE DID ON MEADOWBROOK, ON COVE, MR. CHER.

SO YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

SO IF YOU BARRELED IT DOWN AND SAID, HEY, YOU HAVE 30 ACRES, BUT YOU CAN ONLY DEVELOP ON 12, YOU CAN DO ANOTHER FRACTION AND IT'S 12, JUST LIKE AT MEADOWBROOK ON COVEL.

MM-HMM .

YOU CAN DO A NEW FRACTION AND IT'S 20 ACRES AND 200 UNITS, SO IT'S 10.

BUT THE WAY WE COUNT DENSITY IN EDMOND, WHETHER IT'S COUNTING IT FOR ANY SORTS OF THINGS, WE TALK ABOUT THE GROSS ACREAGE TYPICALLY.

UH, I'M SURE THERE'S A COUPLE EXCEPTIONS, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY HOW WE LOOK AT IT.

I THINK WE NEED TO FIX THAT IN OUR LANGUAGE.

IF THAT'S HOW IT IS, YOU CAN, IF YOU'VE GOT 500 ACRES YOU CAN BUILD ON 10.

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WELL I THINK SOMEONE THOUGHT ABOUT BUILDING A 10 STORY PROJECT AT 1.5 ACRES RECENTLY AND GOT RID OF THAT IDEA PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO, OKAY.

YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU SIR.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU SIR.

ALRIGHT, ANYBODY, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, UH, FOR OR AGAINST? YES SIR.

IF YOU COULD, UH, UH, GO AHEAD.

UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

IT'S, UH, BILL THOMPSON.

I LIVE AT 45 25 CANYON CREEK ROAD, WHICH IS STRICT, UH, STRAIGHT WEST OF WHERE THIS IS PROPOSED.

UM, WHILE I DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF A MEETING FOR PUBLIC NOTICE, I RECEIVED IT ON THE 21ST.

THE MEETING WAS HELD ON THE 20TH.

UM, IT WENT THROUGH OUR HOA MAILBOX.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS RECEIVED A PERSONAL EMAIL THAT WENT DIRECTLY TO THEIR ADDRESSES.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH NOTIFICATION I ACTUALLY WAS SENT OUT AHEAD OF THIS MEETING.

UM, WHEN I READ THE POD, I FELT LIKE I WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A BAIT AND SWITCH WHEN I READ IT BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTS, UM, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS, TOWN HOMES, BUT THEN YOU SEE THE, UH, PLAT AND IT'S ALL TIGHTLY CONDENSED.

TOWN HOMES, HIGH DENSITY, AND I THINK YOU COMMENTED ON USING TOTAL LAND MASS VERSUS DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF A BAIT AND SWITCH.

500 ACRES, UH, ABOUT 409 ARE IN A FLOODPLAIN.

I CAN ONLY BUILD ON 10 AND THIS DOES NOT COMPLIMENT ANY ADDITION NEXT TO IT TO THE WEST.

WE'RE TALKING MULTI ACRE, UH, LOTS.

UM, TO THE NORTH IS UH, I BELIEVE ALL RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST, MULTI ACRE, LOTS SOUTH RESIDENTIAL.

SO I'D ASK THE COMMISSION TO REALLY LOOK THIS HARD.

TRAFFIC IS ALREADY A NIGHTMARE.

WE'VE HAD A PUD SOUTH OF COFFEE CREEK THAT WAS APPROVED 500 AND PLUS MICRO LOT HOMES, UM, SOONER ON THE EAST SIDE TOWN HOMES ARE GOING IN THERE.

UM, CROSSINGS CHURCH IS BUILDING ON, UM, SOUTH AIR DEPOT, NORTH OF COVE.

IF YOU TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT COVELL INTERSECTION, GOOD LUCK, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET HOME IN THE EVENING.

UM, IT'LL BE BACKED UP PAST THE FIRE STATION.

UM, MATTER OF FACT, I SAW IT BACKED UP TO THE FIRE STATION AT TWO 30 IN THE AFTERNOON, UH, THIS PAST WEEK.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

WE'RE DEALING WITH SECTION LINE ROADS.

UM, A LOT OF 'EM DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAYS CLEARED.

THERE ARE TREES WITHIN FOUR FOOT OF THE EDGE OF THE ASPHALT AND WE JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.

AND WE JUST KEEP ADDING MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND I'D ASK YOU TO REALLY CAREFULLY CONSIDER THAT.

UM, I WANT HER TO GO UP WATERLOO ROAD.

ANYONE ELSE? YES SIR.

I LIVE IN CANAN CREEK FARM ALSO.

MY NAME IS BOYD ELLIOT, UH, LIVED IN 53 12 CANAN CREEK ROAD.

UM, LIKE BILL WAS SAYING, WE'VE JUST HAD, I, I DUNNO IF YOU COULD BACK OUT TO THE LARGER OVER OVERLAY MAP THERE.

THE PREVIOUS RIGHT, RIGHT IN THERE.

UM, TO THE, IN THAT SOUTHWEST QUARTER IS WHERE WE'RE HAVING, IT'S ACTUALLY SAID BETWEEN 560 AND 710, WHAT WAS IT? UH, 30 BY ONE 20 LOTS WITH THESE TYPE OF HOMES PUT ON THEM.

THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED.

THERE'S GONNA BE A FIVE FOOT, UH, UH, DISTANCE BETWEEN EACH UNIT.

BUT THAT AND, UM, THE, UH, AMENITIES IN THIS AREA, I DON'T JUST DON'T THINK WITH THE WAY WE'VE GOT IT SET UP RIGHT NOW, THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS ANY WAY TO PROVIDE ANY OF THE UTILITIES OTHER THAN MAYBE ELECTRICITY.

RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE, UH, NATURAL GAS IN OUR ADDITION THERE IN CANAAN CREEK.

WE DON'T HAVE CITY WATER.

UM, WE DON'T AT THIS POINT DON'T HAVE ANY FIBER OPTICS, UH, OR CABLE LIKE TV.

UH, SO, AND THE NEW ADDITION DOWN IN THE SOUTHWEST QUARTER, IT JUST GOT APPROVAL ABOUT A MONTH AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS, UH, IS GOING TO EVEN, UH, BRING IN A LOT OF THINGS I KNOW, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AT LEAST 18 MONTHS BEFORE A SHOVEL, A SHOVEL FULL OF DIRT IS TURNED

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OVER.

SO IT'S GONNA BE, UH, REALLY, REALLY CONGESTED.

UH, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THAT IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW IS, IS THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT IT.

EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE NO CHANCE OF GETTING THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION IF THERE'S A PROBLEM.

UM, AND THEN THE FLOOD FLOODING ISSUES.

I'VE SEEN THAT INTERSECTION OF CHEST DEEP WATER AT LEAST FIVE TIMES IN MY 17 YEARS I'VE LIVED OUT THERE.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME DEFINITE ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE AND OTHER CONSTRUCTION.

I JUST LIKE, LIKE BILL WAS SAYING, I HOPE THE COMM UH, THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES A LOT CLOSER LOOK AT THIS THAN THEY'VE TAKEN HERE RECENTLY IN SOME OF THE BIG DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING PASSED.

HI, MY NAME'S UH, CRAIG NER.

UM, I HAVE A HOUSE, UH, 4,500 ABBEY CIRCLE, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE AREA.

UM, OUR COMMUNITY IS ANYWHERE FROM TWO ACRES, LOTS TO SIX ACRE LOTS.

UM, GRAND TIMBERS IS ONE AND A HALF TO THREE ACRES.

THE VALUE OF OUR HOMES IN, UH, ABBEY PLACE IS ANYWHERE FROM 900,000 TO $1.6 MILLION.

GRAND TIMBERS IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $1.3 MILLION.

THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS ON MARKET FOR $2.25 MILLION.

SO OBVIOUSLY MY QUESTION HERE IS IN WHAT ARE THE PRICE OF THESE UNITS? WHAT IS IT GONNA DO? UH, IS THIS GONNA CONTINUE TO ATTRACT THE TYPE OF CUSTOMERS TO OUR AREA THAT ARE GONNA WANT TO BUY MILLION DOLLAR HOMES? IF WE'VE GOT THIS SITTING HERE ON TOP OF THAT, I HAVE INCURRED AROUND A $20,000 COST ON MY PROPERTY ALONE TO DEAL WITH 643 GALLONS PER SECOND.

THAT'S NOT A MINUTE.

643 GALLONS PER SECOND.

I HAD DESIGNED MY FRONT YARD TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE WATER GOING THROUGH, WHICH IS GONNA FEED RIGHT INTO THAT AREA.

AND THAT IS ONLY FOR 12 AND A HALF ACRES.

SO WHAT TYPE OF WATER ARE THEY GONNA SEE ON IN ADDITION TO THAT 45 0 1 ABBEY CIRCLE IS LOOKING TO BUILD.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CANNOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT 45 0 1 ABBEY CIRCLE IS BEING ASKED.

THEY'VE GOTTA BE SIX FEET ABOVE THE WATER.

THAT COMMUNITY CAN'T DO THAT.

TYPICALLY HOMES IN THIS AREA, 3000, 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

WHAT ARE THE SIZE OF THESE HOMES GONNA BE? THEY WANNA BUILD 125 UNITS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT WOULD BE THREE HOUSES IN THE SAME AREA.

OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS ALREADY TAXED WITH A HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, UH, COMPLEX LIKE THIS.

NOT TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE TRAFFIC ALONE, BUT SCHOOLING, WE, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF DESIRABLE HOMES COMING IN THAT HAVE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, LOTS.

WHAT ARE WE, WHAT'S THE SPEC ON THIS? 1500 SQUARE FOOT FOR THE SMALLEST LOT.

THIS IS GONNA PUT A BIG TAX BURDEN WHEN ALL THESE RESIDENTS AND THESE TIGHTLY KNIT AREAS ARE SENDING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL.

US WITH LARGE HOMES, WE'RE GONNA REALLY SEE OUR TAX PRICES GO UP.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

ALL RIGHT.

YES MA'AM.

NO, I AM JOHN GARETH.

MY ADDRESS IS 55 55 EAST SORGHUM MILL.

UH, BUT I ALSO HAVE, UH, ABOUT 22 ACRES THAT JOINS THIS PROPERTY ON THE NORTH.

UH, AND MY DAUGHTER HAS THREE ACRES THERE WHERE SHE LIVES ON THE PROPERTY JUST NORTH OF THIS.

UM, AND THERE'S A LITTLE DRAW THAT COMES DOWN IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY AND IT DOESN'T DRAIN A LOT OF AREA, BUT IT DRAINS A BIG ENOUGH AREA THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WATER COMES THROUGH THERE AND THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA PUT A SEWER LINE IN A STORM SEWER TO TAKE CARE OF THAT WATER.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'LL WORK OR NOT, BUT I'D HATE TO SEE THAT WATER BACKED UP ON ONTO MY PROPERTY TO THE NORTH BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE THAT UP, I THINK TO GET, UH, AND LIKE THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE IS A ALREADY,

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YOU GET IN UP ON THERE CLOSE TO THE INTERSTATE AND IT'S, IT'S DANGEROUS AND IT'S, IF YOU PUT THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE RIGHT THERE IN THAT SMALL AREA, THE TRAFFIC IS, IS IS BAD.

AND THAT TO THE NORTH IS STILL AGRICULTURAL LAND.

AND I HAVE A, BASICALLY MY FEEDLOT IS JUST ALONG THE NORTH OF WHERE THEY PLAN ON BUILDING ALL THOSE, THOSE HOUSES.

SO THAT'S WHERE I WEANED MY CALVES IN THE FALL.

AND, UH, THAT FAM THAT THE LAND, MY WIFE DIDN'T WANT ME TO BRING UP THE FAMILY HISTORY, BUT THAT LAND'S BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR OVER 120 YEARS.

SO MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT THAT LAND.

MY MOTHER AND GRANDPARENTS LIVED ON IT.

UH, AND I BOUGHT LAND FROM MY GRANDMOTHER AND NOW MY KIDS AND GRANDKIDS HAVE, HAVE GROWN UP ON THAT LAND.

SO IT, I HATE TO SEE IT TURNED INTO THE KIND OF HOUSES THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT ON THAT.

I LIVE AT 6,000 EAST COFFEE CREEK ROAD.

I OWN THE 70 ACRES JUST SOUTH OF THERE.

I AGREE WITH ALL THESE CONCERNS.

I'VE BEEN OVER THERE MORE THAN 20 YEARS.

IT'S VERY SCARY, THE CHANGE.

I WAS THERE BEFORE.

I MEAN, HARDLY ANYBODY WAS THERE.

I AGREE, I LOVED IT.

BUT THE CHANGE COMING IN IS NOT DEPICTED OF THE AREA AND IT'S REALLY GONNA CHANGE OUR AREA AND OUR FIELD AND IT'S GONNA CHANGE.

LIKE EVERYTHING THAT I AGREE WITH, EVERYTHING THEY'VE SAID, UM, JUST SPEAKING OF ME, IT'S WATER FLOW.

I'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

COFFEE CREEK, COFFEE CREEK, AND AIR DEPOT GOES UNDERWATER.

AND HOW ARE WE GONNA GET ALL THESE PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THERE? I'M GRAVELY CONCERNED.

UM, I THINK EVERYBODY'S LIKE, OH, YOU HAVE THAT ACREAGE, SELL IT.

THAT WASN'T WHY I AM LIVING THERE.

I LOVE THE AREA.

I'D LOVE TO HAVE IT STAY, UH, IF WE CAN, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GETTING TAKEN OVER BY THESE REAL HIGH RISES SMALL FAMILIES, A LOT OF PEOPLE REAL CONDENSED.

AND THAT IS VERY CONCERNING FOR ME.

YOU KNOW, THIS WAS IN THE CROSS TIMBERS AREA, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO, I THOUGHT WAS PART OF THE PRESERVATION, BUT THAT'S NOT BEING PRESERVED.

SO I'M, I LOVE THE STATEMENT OF , MR. CHER.

I HOPE I SAID THAT RIGHT.

YEAH, IT'S MADE, I LOVE THAT STATEMENT IS WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE AREN'T THINKING ABOUT THE AREA, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHERE WE'RE GOING.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'D LOVE THE WATER FLOWS A CONCERN.

THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE IS AM I GONNA BE UNDERWATER? YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS IS OVER.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, SHOULDERS IN THAT AREA.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON THE ROAD OR YOU'RE OFF.

SO WE JUST, WERE ADDING A LOT REALLY QUICKLY.

ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY PASSED, IT'S SCARY TO ME THAT WE'RE PUTTING, IT FEELS LIKE TOWN, LIKE HOUSES OUT IN THE COUNTRY.

WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? THAT'S MY QUESTION TO EVERYBODY IN EDMOND.

WE'RE PUTTING CONDENSED TOWN LIKE HOMES OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND WHY? I'D LOVE TO HEAR SOMEBODY SAY WHY, OTHER THAN I'M NOT, I DIDN'T SAY THAT, BUT SOMETHING'S GOING ON.

IT'S VERY CONCERNING.

SO I AGREE WITH TRAFFIC, I AGREE WITH BLOOD, WATER FLOW, I CURL IT.

ALL THE UTILITIES AND SCHOOLS, ALL THIS IS A CONCERN.

SO, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR LISTENING TO ME AND HAVE A GOOD DAY.

AND WE HAD TO COME BACK DOWN TO DANFORTH TO GET BACK ONTO THE INTERSTATE IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? YES SIR.

UH, MY NAME IS HAL LIPPERT.

I LIVE AT 45 17 NEW CANAAN ROAD, WHICH IS OUR ENTRANCE IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM ONE OF THEIR ENTRANCES THAT THEY WANT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UH, I KNOW IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT WHEN YOU GAVE THE INITIAL DESCRIPTION OF THIS PROPERTY, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER WAS DESCRIBED AS GENERAL AGRICULTURE.

THAT IS NOT TRUE ANYMORE.

IT WAS CHANGED WITH A PUD, AND THAT IS THAT HIGH DENSITY HOUSING THAT IS ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT, AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT FIVE TO 700 MORE ADDITIONAL UNITS JUST IN THAT AREA.

WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE 20 YEARS AGO, THERE WASN'T EVEN A COVELL EXIT.

YOU HAD TO GET OFF ON DANFORTH TO GET TO OUR HOUSE,

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I'VE NEVER MADE ANY INPUT TO THIS 2018 PROGRAM THAT THEY TALK ABOUT.

AND I UNDERSTAND FROM WE WENT THROUGH THIS SAME THING WITH THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE HIGH DENSITY.

THIS IS WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO MOVE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK TO BUSINESSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

NOBODY'S GONNA WALK TO ANY BUSINESSES THERE.

IF YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THAT AREA, AROUND THE SHOWBIZ, THAT AREA WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED HAS JUST BEEN SITTING EMPTY.

YOU'VE GOT A HOTEL, THE CONVENTION CENTER, WE FINALLY GOT THE CREST THERE, AND NOW THEY'RE BUILDING TOWN HOMES.

THERE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF ACREAGES AROUND I 35 THAT AREN'T ADJACENT TO LARGE OR TO, UH, HOMES THAT ONLY HAVE TWO OR THREE ACRES OF PROPERTY.

AND NOW WE'RE GONNA PUT A HUNDRED AND SOME CLOSE TO 200 IN TO, UH, HALF OF 29.29 ACRES.

UH, YOU'RE RUINING WHAT PEOPLE MOVED INTO THIS AREA, THEIR, THEIR WAY OF LIFE.

WE DID NOT MOVE THERE TO LIVE IN TOWN.

WE LIVED THERE.

WE MOVED THERE TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY, AND LIKE HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING TOWN HOMES.

WE WANT COUNTRY HOMES, SO WE DON'T WANT TOWN HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ANYONE ELSE? WELL, MR. MCINNIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, RESPOND? UH, LET'S SEE.

WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, HOW, HOW DO, HOW DO THESE HOMES, UH, COMPLIMENT THE, OR NOT COMPLIMENT THE SURROUNDING AREA? OF COURSE, MOST OF IT IS, UH, UM, TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AND DRAINAGE CONDITIONS AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

A LOT OF THIS COULD BE, UH, UH, YOU CAN ADDRESS WHAT YOUR DEVELOPER COULD DO.

ALSO, WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO.

UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME MORE STUDIES ON, UH, ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

UH, IT DEFINITELY IS GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC.

WHAT, UH, WHAT IS YOUR PART? WHAT IS THE CITY'S PART? UM, AND ALSO JUST THE, THE, THE CONCERN ABOUT MARKET VALUE AND PROPERTY TAXES IF YOU WANT TO, UH, BE POLITICAL ABOUT IT.

WELL, IF I GET POLITICAL, THEN I THINK I'VE LOST, SO I'LL TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT.

UH, I THINK MR. THOMPSON CALLED ME.

I THINK HE MOVED HERE FROM SEMINOLE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UH, ON MY PROJECT AT MEADOWBROOK ON COVEL.

SO, UH, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

UH, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER THAT'S GONNA SATISFY EVERYBODY, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THIS.

UH, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN HERE.

I MOVED HERE IN 1981 AND I WAS IN A HOUSE AND I WAS IN A TOWNHOUSE AND I WAS IN AN APARTMENT.

NOW I'M IN A HOUSE NOW.

I LIVE IN A HOUSE WITH'S AN ACREAGE.

SO EDMOND IS STRUGGLING AND THEY HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING FOR A LONG TIME AS TO THE MIX OF LONG RANGE PLANNING, INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT AND HOUSING.

THAT'S NOTHING NEW MR. WINTER.

YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'RE ALMOST AS LONG AS I HAVE.

RIGHT? AND SO WHENEVER THE CITY OF EDMOND GOES THROUGH THEIR EVERY 10 YEAR PLAN FOR LONG RANGE PLANNING, IT IS A MULTI-MONTH, IF NOT YEAR LONG PROJECT.

IT INVOLVES HUNDREDS OF CITIZENS.

AND THEY LOOK AT WHAT MARKET CONDITIONS WILL BE, WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS ARE REQUIRED, AND WORD DEVELOPMENT MIGHT HAPPEN.

AND THEN THEY KNOW THIS.

THE RETAILERS PICK IT, THE DEVELOPERS DON'T PICK IT.

I'M DOING THE COVE I 35 PROJECT.

WHOLE FOODS ASSIGNED A LEASE TO BE OUT THERE.

I STARTED REPRESENTING THAT PROJECT IN 2006, 19 YEARS AGO.

AND JUST NOW, YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THE RETAILERS SAY RETAILERS FOLLOW ROOFTOPS.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE PHRASE.

AND THEN SOMEONE HERE CAN SAY, EASILY, I DON'T WANT ANY RETAIL OUT BY ME.

AND I, I RESPECT THAT.

BUT THE CITY OF EDMOND CANNOT OPERATE AND RUN ON ITS BUDGET AND PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND ADDITIONAL REVENUE COME FROM PEOPLE.

AND SO THAT'S THE, THE UNFORTUNATE, THAT'S THE CONFLICT.

AND I, I, I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT OUT HERE FOR 70 ACRES OR 25 ACRES.

AND THE REALITY OF IT IS EDMOND IS CONTINUING TO MAKE POLICY DECISIONS BY THEIR LEADERSHIP TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH BECAUSE PEOPLE WANNA MOVE TO EDMOND.

AND IF I MOVED HERE IN 1981 AND I SAID, OKAY, LOCK THE DOORS.

WE'D HAVE 40,000 PEOPLE AND TODAY WE HAVE 94,000 PEOPLE AND WE HAVE ALMOST 26,000 KIDS IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WELL, WHY? WELL, STEVE KREER USED TO SAY, IF YOU WANT EDMOND TO QUIT GROWING, IT'S REAL SIMPLE.

HAVE CRAPPY SCHOOLS AND HIGH CRIME, AND WE DON'T HAVE CRAPPY SCHOOLS AND WE HAVE VIRTUALLY NO CRIME.

SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO WANNA LIVE HERE.

AND THOSE PEOPLE REQUIRE SERVICES AND THEY REQUIRE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS MONEY.

AND SO THERE IS A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP THERE THAT MAKES PEOPLE UPSET THAT WANNA LIVE ON TWO ACRES FOREVER OR 70 ACRES

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FOREVER.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF THE GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO THE IDEA OF WHAT EDMOND DOES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND NOVEMBER 6TH, EDMOND SOUNDLY DEFEATED A GEO BOND PROGRAM THAT WOULD'VE PAID FOR A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE, HAD A $22 MILLION INTERSECTION AT COVE AND AIR DEPOT TO BUILD A FOUR WAY, TWO TURN LANES, FULLY LIT NEIGHBORHOOD, I MEAN THE INTERSECTION.

AND THAT GOT TURNED DOWN BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO PAY MORE TAXES, IS I GUESS IS WHY THEY DIDN'T DO IT.

AND SO THERE'S GONNA BE A CONSTANT TENSION BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THE ONLY ANSWER IS, WE EITHER QUIT GROWING AND SHRIVEL UP AND NOT PAY FOR IT, OR YOU CONTINUE TO GROW.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IF THAT, MAYBE THAT IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT, MR. COMM, UH, MR. WINTER.

BUT THAT IS THE REALITY OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

SO WHAT DO WE DO AS LANDOWNERS OR DEVELOPERS? WE LOOK AT WHAT EDMOND'S LONG RANGE PLANNING IS.

SO WHEN I COME IN WITH THIS PROJECT FOR A PLAT OR A SITE PLAN, WHICHEVER I DO, AND STEVE, KEITH BEATTY SAYS TO ME, HEY, YOU'VE GOTTA IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION BECAUSE IT CAN'T HANDLE IT WITHOUT YOU.

OR YOU'VE GOTTA DO TURN LANES THAT WEREN'T DONE BY THE WAY HERE OR ANY OTHER LOCATION, THEN WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.

THAT'S PLATTING REQUIREMENTS OR THAT SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.

THAT IS THE GIVE AND TAKE OF THE DEVELOPER THAT COMES ALONG AND BUILDS HAMDEN HOLLOW OR BUILDS NEW CANAN OR CANAAN CREEK FARMS THAT THEY DID IN THE MID EIGHTIES, I THINK IS WHEN THEY BUILT THAT PEOPLE TIED TO METRO CHURCH.

AND SO THAT'S THE TROUBLE WITH IT.

AND SO HERE I AM TONIGHT AND I HAD 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 LANDOWNERS.

AND I, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT 60 MORE THAT COME AND SAY WE DON'T WANT THAT.

AND YET EDMOND HAS PLATTED PROBABLY 2000 RESIDENTIAL LOTS EAST OF I 35 IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS THAT SAY WE WANT THAT.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE RIGHT OR WRONG.

THAT'S JUST THE TENSION THAT WE HAVE.

HAMDEN HOLLOW IS A MORE DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN CANAAN CREEK FARMS. AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER EXAMPLES IN THAT WHOLE AREA.

AND SO, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, AND I'VE PROBABLY TALKED TOO MUCH, I'M NOT GONNA SATISFY EVERYBODY BY TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR LONG RANGE PLAN.

BUT IT IS, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT EDMOND POLICYMAKERS SAY IS GONNA GROW EDMOND AND PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WANT AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE FRUSTRATED.

UH, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT.

I WILL SAY A COUPLE THINGS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY MEANT TO CUT TO OUR CHARACTER HERE, BUT A BAIT AND SWITCH IS, THAT'S NOT A FAIR STATEMENT.

WHEN WE FILE APPLICATIONS FOR ZONING, WE FOLLOW THE RULES AND WE DO IT THAT WAY.

AND AT THE TIME WE STARTED THIS APPLICATION, JUST LIKE IT IS ON THIS PICTURE, THAT'S GENERAL AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.

SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO MISLEAD ANYBODY BY SAYING IT WAS NOT WHAT IT IS TODAY OR THAT IT WAS A BAIT AND SWITCH.

I'M NOT OFFENDED BY IT.

I THINK THAT'S JUST, THAT'S UNFAIR FOR SOMEONE TO CHARACTERIZE IT THAT WAY.

THE ISSUE WITH TAXES, YOU KNOW, HOW YOUR TAXES GO DOWN, HAVE MORE PEOPLE PAYING THEM.

THE TAX ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS NEGLIGIBLE COMPARED TO WHAT IT WILL BE WHEN YOU HAVE 125 UNITS THAT ARE AT $200 A FOOT.

BUT NOBODY, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK OR A SMART ALEC, BUT MORE REVENUE SPLIT IS SPREAD OVER PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO THE IDEA OF YOUR TAXES GOING UP, 'CAUSE THERE'S MORE PEOPLE, QUITE THE CONTRARY, EDMOND DOESN'T GET ANY PROPERTY TAXES.

THE COUNTY, COUNTY HEALTH LIBRARY, VO-TECH AND SCHOOLS WHO'S WHO GET THE PROPERTY TAXES, WE LEARNED THAT IN THE GEO BOND PROGRAM.

SO I APOLOGIZE, I WENT TOO FAR.

LEMME SEE IF I SAW ANYTHING ELSE.

UH, MENTIONED LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT THE PRICES.

I CAN JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

WE CAN'T DICTATE PRICES, CERTAINLY NOT IN ZONING.

THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

BUNGALOW HEIGHTS SELLS FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO 15 TO 2 25 A SQUARE FOOT ON THEIR UNITS TODAY.

JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE.

UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, FIBER, OPTICS, UH, I THINK A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.

IT'S JUST NOT THE DENSITY OUT THERE THAT SUPPORTS IT.

AND THE TWO DENTS.

WE, WE'VE HEARD THAT AND, AND I I CAN JUST TELL YOU THIS, PROPERTY'S NOT GONNA STAY UNDEVELOPED.

AND THEN NE SEVEN ANYWHERE, I'VE GOT AN APPLICATION WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH RIGHT NOW, THAT'S ALMOST 700 ACRES, ONE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE CITY WILL EITHER TURN IT DOWN OR THEY'LL APPROVE IT.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE POLICY IS WE WANT TO GROW TO PAY FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE 'CAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE AND WE DON'T WANNA END UP BEING A CITY THAT GETS JUMPED AND ENDS UP NOT GROWING.

SO SORRY MR. WINTER, IF THAT WAS TOO MUCH.

YEAH, IT WAS.

BUT UM, THAT'S OKAY.

NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE TOUGH DECISIONS FOR THE CITY IS THAT WE CAN'T GO OUT AND AND IMPROVE THE ROADS AND THEN HOPE DEVELOPMENTS COME.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE DEVELOPMENTS IN, IN ORDER FOR THOSE, UH, STRUCTURES TO BE IMPROVED.

UM, BUT OTHERWISE, WHAT, UM, WHAT'S THE CITY'S PLAN ON THE TRAFFIC AND THE UTILITIES AND DRAINAGE IN THIS AREA? WHAT, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT JUST REAL QUICKLY? WELL, WE DON'T

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HAVE ANY PLANS SET.

YOU WERE STUDYING THERE THAT BOEING VALE INTERSECTION AND TRYING TO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE TO DO SOMETHING THERE, BUT AT THIS POINT THERE'S NOTHING PLANNED.

IT'S PROBABLY WORTH NOTING AS WELL.

THE, THE DEVELOPER IN THIS CASE WILL IMPROVE, UH, THE ROADWAY ADJACENT TO THEIR SITE.

AND AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, IF THAT GOES FORWARD, THE DEVELOPMENT SOUTHEAST OR, UH, SOUTHWEST OF THERE, EXCUSE ME, UM, WILL ALSO BE, UH, MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, THE TWO ROADWAYS THAT INTERSECT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE REGULATORY, WELL, THAT'S A RULE IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.

THAT'S NOT, NOT, THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT ON THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART.

THEY'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF OTHER UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY UTILITIES THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN ARE WATER, PUBLIC WATER, AND GRAVITY SEWER.

UM, THE REASON THIS AREA SHOWS UP IN THAT KIND OF SUBURBAN FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY IN THE PLAN IS THE, UH, THE CITY'S LONG-TERM WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN SHOWS FUTURE SERVICE IN THIS AREA.

SO THIS WILL BE, UM, THIS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO GRAVITY SEWER.

I THINK CHRISTIE MAY HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS THE UTILITIES, BUT I BELIEVE, AND MR. BEATTY CAN CORRECT ME, WE HAVE TO EXTEND UTILITIES TO OUR SITE AND THROUGH IT.

AND SO, AS YOU KNOW, EAST EDMOND IS A SERIES OF VALLEYS IS PEAKS AND VALLEYS.

AND AS THEY SAY, SANITARY SEWER ONLY GOES ONE DIRECTION, RIGHT? SO THE IDEA OF PUMPING IT OVER SOMEWHERE TO GET IT GOING ANOTHER DIRECTION LIMITS THAT CAPACITY.

SO WHEN EDMOND LOOKS AT THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE FOR SANITARY SEWER, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE'RE DOING A 300, $400 MILLION PROJECT RIGHT NOW TO HANDLE THAT, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN AREAS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WITHOUT SOME SORT OF ARTIFICIAL IMPROVEMENT AS FAR AS A LIFT STATION.

SO THAT'S THE REALITY OF THAT.

AND I THINK, I THINK CHRISTIE MIGHT HAVE TOLD ME TODAY THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ENGINEERING COMMENTS THAT WOULD COME UP, UH, AS TO WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE RIGHT NOW.

WHAT'LL BE EXTENDED? I DON'T KNOW.

AND WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO EXTEND UTILITIES UP TO THIS AREA.

AND IF WE HAPPEN, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO EXTEND 'EM ONTO THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR PROJECT.

THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THE BURDEN IS ON THE DEVELOPER AND THERE'S NOT A GREAT ANSWER.

WELL, THEY, I BELIEVE, AND I LOST, I'D BE, THE ANSWER WAS THE GEO BOMB PROGRAM COVE AND AIR DEPOT.

I SAID HIM IN, HE, IT'S A $22 MILLION INTERSECTION.

THERE'S NOT MONEY TO DO THAT INTERSECTION.

THERE WAS IN THE GEO BOND IF PEOPLE WANTED TO PAY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES YOU PAY IN OKLAHOMA CITY, BUT NOBODY WANTED TO DO THAT.

I REPRESENT CROSSINGS COMMUNITY CHURCH AS IT PERTAINS TO THE CITY OF EDMOND.

AND WE'VE MET MULTIPLE TIMES WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND ABOUT THEIR NEW CHURCH BECAUSE THERE'S A FEE AND LIEBE PAYMENT BY THE DEVELOPER, IN THIS CASE, A CHURCH THAT'S CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS JUST FOR OFFSITES.

NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING WITHIN THE PERIMETER, WITHIN THE FOUR WALLS OF THEIR PROPERTY.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW A CHURCH CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT.

I KNOW TYPICAL DEVELOPERS CAN'T BECAUSE IT MESSES UP THEIR PROFORMA.

IT WOULDN'T WORK.

BUT THAT'S PART OF THE BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER.

IF THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT, TRYING TO A CLASS 1 0 1 ON INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING, IT'S A BAD IDEA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, NOW IT COMES TIME FOR A, A, UH, VOTE.

SO DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT.

THE, UH, THE VOTE WAS, UH, TWO TO ONE, UH, TO UH, TO APPROVE.

AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT CARRIES THOUGH, IS IT? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T CARRY, UH, AT LEAST THREE VOTES SO THAT, UH, THAT VOTE FAILED.

AND SO THAT WILL BE BROUGHT UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MARCH 24TH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO THANK YOU.

THANKS.

UM, MR. BEDALE, CAN YOU COME BACK INTO THE ROOM? TURN THE MIC BACK OVER.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU MR. WINTER.

NOW IS THE TIME FOR CITIZENS COMMENT.

THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON PLANNING COMMISSION RELATED MATTERS, NOT ON THE AGENDA OR SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL REMARKS MUST BE DIRECTED TO THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING, ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS, AND MUST OTHERWISE BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITIES RULES, UM, AVAIL.

AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE AT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? UM, AS OUTLINED BY WHAT I JUST SAID? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, WE WILL

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MOVE TO ADJOURNMENT.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SECOND.

AYE, WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

MOTION.

THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.