Aug 25, 2025 City Council

WE'LL CONTINUE TO DIG INTO THOSE NUMBERS.

SO, UH, THE NEXT THING WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE EAST SIDE LIBRARY, YMCA PROJECT AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS THE Y UH, IT'S A JOINT USE FACILITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT 15TH AND I 35.

AND IT'S REACHING ITS MIDPOINT SOON WITH A TOPPING OUT CEREMONY PLANNED IN FOR SEPTEMBER.

UH, IT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY, THE METRO LIBRARY SYSTEM, AND THE YMCA OF GREATER OKLAHOMA CITY.

UM, THE EDMUND LIBRARY IS THE BUSIEST IN THE STATE, AS YOU KNOW, UH, MITCH PARK, YMCA IS ONE OF THE BUSIEST IN THE METRO.

SO THIS WILL HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT.

UH, THE CITY IS INVESTING $30 MILLION INTO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING.

UH, THE YMCA WILL REIMBURSE US 12.5 MILLION THROUGH A LONG-TERM LEASE.

UH, THE NEXT IS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING WE'RE IN.

UH, WE ARE FINALLY, EVERYBODY WHO'S GOING TO MOVE AN OFFICE IN THIS BUILDING HAS NOW MOVED IN AND WE ARE OPEN FOR DAILY BUSINESS.

UH, SOME OF THE FINISHING WORK REMAINS.

UH, YOU NOTICE SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING GOING ON ON THE OUTSIDE.

THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER STILL HAS SOME SETUP TO DO, BUT BY AND LARGE, IT'S ABOUT 98% OF THE WAY THERE.

SO, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS INCLUDES CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER AND OFFICES, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THE BUILDING AND SAFETY ENGINEERING PLANNING, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY RESOURCES AND CITY CLERK'S OFFICE MAY HAVE MISSED ONE OR TWO IN THERE, BUT, UH, THE CENTRALIZED LOCATION IMPROVES EFFICIENCY FOR BOTH RESIDENTS AND STAFF, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE.

SINCE THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

THANK YOU, MR. INS.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS.

WE'LL MOVE

[3. Appointments and Reappointments:]

ON.

WE HAVE SIX TOTAL THIS EVENING, AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM ALL.

SO, MOVE.

SO MOVE, MR. MAYOR.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.

ITEM THREE PASSES FIVE ZERO.

MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR,

[4. Recess of the Edmond City Council Meeting and Call to Order of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting.]

RECESS OF THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND CALL TO ORDER THE EDMUND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING.

I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SO MOVED.

FIVE, PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

[5. Public Works Authority General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Public Works Authority. Members of the Public Works Authority may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]

GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS THIS EVENING, UNLESS ANYONE WOULD LIKE ANY PULLED.

OH, WE HAVE ONE THAT'S GOTTA HAVE A NUMBER, DON'T WE? SO ON ITEM C, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER FIVE DASH 25 5 DASH 25, CONFERRING THE AUTHORITY OF THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF EDMOND.

FOR THE PURPOSE OF CARRYING OUT CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS RELATED TO THE GUTHRIE EDMOND REGIONAL AIRPORT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.

A MOTION ON NUMBER SEVEN, ADJOURNMENT OF THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING AND RECONVENE THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

FIVE ZERO.

ITEM SIX, PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION ITEMS. THERE WERE NONE.

SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN

[7. Adjournment of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting and Reconvene the Edmond City Council Meeting.]

SO MOVED, MR. MAYOR.

I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.

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ITEMS. THERE ARE 13 ITEMS. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PULL ITEM C FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION.

FIVE ZERO.

WE'RE BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

CITY COUNCIL GENERAL CONSENT

[8. City Council General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Council. Members of the Council may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]

I'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO PULL ITEMS I AND J AND CONTINUE THEM TO THE SEPTEMBER 8TH COUNCIL MEETING.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS MINUS C AND I AND JI AND J, I AND J HAD TO LOOK BACK AT IT.

C WHEN WE MOVE TO, IT'S, WE WERE AT ITEM NINE, A CONSIDERATION OF GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS PULLED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND OR ACTION ITEM C FROM THE PREVIOUS ITEM, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL'S, SCHEDULE OF REGULAR MEETINGS FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2026.

I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND.

[A. Consideration of City Council General Consent Agenda Items Pulled for Separate Discussion and/or Action.]

MS. MURDOCH NICHOLS.

UM, SO IT HAS BEEN, I BELIEVE, THE TRADITION OF THE LAST COUNCIL TO, UH, TAKE A BREAK IN JULY.

AND I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO AS A COUNCIL, IF WE WANT THAT BREAK, IF WE WANT IT AT THAT TIME.

IF ANOTHER TIME MAKES MORE SENSE FOR US.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INPUT.

I I DO HAVE SOME INPUT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MEET THE SECOND MEETING, SO THAT FOURTH WEEK OF JULY AND NOT MEET THE SECOND WEEK OF JULY INSTEAD OF THE WAY IT'S IN, IN THE SCHEDULE AS PRESENTED HERE RIGHT NOW.

IT SHOWS THIS MEETING THE SECOND TUESDAY, SECOND MONDAY, AND SKIPPING THE FOURTH MONDAY.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US FLIP THAT.

I THINK IT MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER ON, ON VACATION SCHEDULING AND THE, WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE, THE 4TH OF JULY.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'S UP FOR CONVERSATION.

UH, THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY THOUGHTS ON IT.

JULY ONE SEEMS WE TO MAKE SENSE, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY CALENDAR AS WELL.

YEAH, WE WILL HAVE TO, YEAH, YOU START TO SAY SOMETHING MR. FRANK, I JUST SAID THE JULY ONE'S.

FLIPPING THAT TO, TO THE END INSTEAD OF THE FIRST SEEMS TO MAKE ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD.

I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY, I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER .

HE, HE SAID HE COULD CARE LESS .

MY THOUGHT WAS TO FLIP THE TWO AS WELL.

CAN I GET A MOTION? YES, SIR.

SO I, I THINK OUR CITY, CITY CLERK HAS SOMETHING HE'D LIKE TO THROW IN HERE.

UH, MAYOR, SINCE THE CITY CA, THE INDIAN PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY HAS JUST APPROVED THEIR SCHEDULE, UH, WITH, UM, I WONDER IF MAYBE YOU COULD CONTINUE THIS ITEM, UH, TO THE NEXT MEETING SINCE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, BRING BACK THE EPWA ITEM AT THE NEXT MEETING ANYWAYS.

AND SO I CAN CORRECT THAT SCHEDULE.

SO THEY, WE, WE CAN DO THAT TAKING YOUR INPUT INTO ACCOUNT.

SO THEN I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

ALL IN FAVOR OF CAST YOUR VOTE.

IF YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR, CAST YOUR VOTE ANYWAY.

FIVE ZERO ITEMS I AND JADE, DO WE NEED CITY CLERK? DO WE NEED TO FORMALLY CONTINUE THOSE ITEMS OR JUST MOVE THEM OUT ON THE CALENDAR? UH, WE TEND TO SUGGEST THAT YOU WOULD, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THEM TO A SPECIFIC MEETING OR TO A DATE UNCERTAIN IF WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT MEETING THEY SHOULD GET TO.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE TO CONTINUE THOSE TWO ITEMS TO OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNSEL MEETING.

CITY ATTORNEY I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

ALL IN FAVOR? I'M DOING IT AGAIN.

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DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND GRAB YOUR RESOLUTION NUMBERS ON G AND H AND GET THEM ON THE, ON ITEM G 32 DASH 25, 32 DASH 25 AND H 33 DASH 25, 33 DASH 25.

AND CITY CLERK, ARE WE GOOD AT THIS POINT? ARE YOU HAPPY? THOSE TWO GOT PULLED.

GOT CONTINUED NOW.

ARE YOU HAPPY? OKAY, .

ALRIGHT, UH, CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION ITEMS. ITEM A, WE HANDLED ALL THAT B

[B. Presentation and Discussion of Tax Increment Finance (TIF) Project Updates. (Citywide)]

PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION OF TAX INCREMENT, FINANCE, TIFF, PROJECT UPDATES, UH, MR. INS, I BELIEVE MS. DOZIER IS GOING TO PRESENT TO US THIS EVENING.

YES, SHE IS.

WELL, I'M EXCITED TO PRESENT TODAY 'CAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE PRESENTED IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

UM, I'VE BEEN IN HERE A LOT.

JUST HAVEN'T PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS.

COULD YOU MOVE THAT MICROPHONE UP TO YOU A LITTLE BIT CLOSER? ABSOLUTELY.

I'D MUCH RATHER HIDE IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

I JUST WANTED TO DO A QUICK UPDATE ON THE TIF DISTRICT.

UM, THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE TIF COMMITTEE AT THEIR LAST MEETING, UM, AND IT'S GONNA SHOW THE PROJECTED INCREMENT FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND AND FOR EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

UM, JUST AS A BACKGROUND, UM, EDMOND HAS ONE TIF DISTRICT, AND IT'S GENERALLY ENCOMPASSING THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, THERE ARE SEVEN TIFF AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL, UM, SINCE THE INCEPTION IN 2020.

OF THOSE SEVEN THREE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

THAT'S FIFTH STREET, THE CAMPBELL AND THE OXLEY.

I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THESE REALLY QUICK SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED THE PROJECTS IN THE PAST.

UM, THE MAIN THINGS THAT I WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU IS THE CAMPBELL IS COMPLETED, IT WAS COMPLETED, UM, IN THE 2024 CALENDAR YEAR.

UM, THE PROJECTIONS SHOW IT FINISHED ON TIME.

SO THE PROJECTIONS SHOULD EV THEY SHOULD BE CORRECT.

UM, THROUGH THE LIFE OF THE TIFF, THE PROJECTIONS SHOW THAT EDNA PUBLIC SCHOOLS WILL MAKE 138,000.

UM, THIS IS AS A REMINDER, UM, FOR OUR TIFF EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS GETS 10%, UM, OF THE TIFF OFF THE TOP OF EVERY CHECK THAT WE GET AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO THEY WILL MAKE 138,000.

UM, AND THE CITY SHOULD STAND TO MAKE ABOUT 727,000 DURING THE LIFE OF THE TIFF FIFTH STREET WAS COMPLETED, UM, THAT WAS COMPLETED I THINK IN 2023, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, BEFORE MY TIME.

SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

RIGHT NOW, THE PROJECTIONS SHOW, BASED OFF OF THE COMPLETION DATE THAT EDNA PUBLIC SCHOOLS SHOULD GET 51,000 AND THE CITY SHOULD GET 505,000.

THIS WAS FOR STORM SEWER UPGRADES, UM, TO HELP THE DISTRICT.

THE OXLEY FINISHED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

UM, SO IT'LL GO ON THE COUNTY ROLES.

UM, STARTING NEXT YEAR, THE PROJECTIONS SHOW THAT EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS WILL GET 647,000 IN THE CITY OF EDMOND WILL GET 4.8 MILLION THROUGH THE LIFE OF THE TIFF 1 0 3 BROADWAY.

UM, IT HAS NOT STARTED CONSTRUCTION YET, AND IF IT COMPLETES CONSTRUCTION BY 2028, EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS WILL MAKE 220,000 AND THE CITY WILL MAKE 205.

THE LARC, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2020.

UM, IT IS, THERE ARE 26 HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

THERE WAS NOT A COMPLETION DATE ON THIS.

AND IN 2020 WHEN IT WAS PROJECTED AT THAT TIME, IT WAS PROJECTED TO MAKE 304,000 FOR EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND $2 MILLION FOR THE CITY.

THE EMBER IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UM, THAT WAS APPROVED IN I THINK IN 23.

YEAH, IN 23.

UM, IF IT IS COMPLETED AT THE, BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR AT 26, THE PROJECTIONS SHOW THAT EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS WILL MAKE 302,000 AND THE CITY WILL MAKE 750,000.

AND THE TOWNSEND WAS JUST, UM, APPROVED THIS YEAR.

SO HAS NOT STARTED CONSTRUCTION YET.

UM, IT IS A PHASED CONSTRUCTION, UM, WITH PHASED COMPLETIONS.

UM, SO IF IT IS COMPLETED, AS IT'S NOTED ABOVE, THE PROJECTIONS SHOW 350,000 TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND 174,000 TO THE CITY.

SO I NOTICE, IF YOU GUYS NOTICE, I MENTIONING IF IT'S COMPLETED BY A CERTAIN DAY, THE PROJECTIONS

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WILL SHOW THIS.

IT, I WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THAT THOSE PROJECTIONS WILL CHANGE IF CONSTRUCTION IS NOT COMPLETED AT THE TIME THAT THEY MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT.

SO THERE ARE IMPACTS TO CONSTRUCTION DELAYS TO THE TIFF, AND THAT DOES COME IN THE INCREMENTAL REVENUE THAT IS CON, UM, SENT TO US EVERY YEAR FROM, FROM THE COUNTY TREASURY.

THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS, JUST AS A SUMMARY, UM, OVER THE LIFE OF THE TIFF, EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE ESTIMATED TO RECEIVE AN ESTIMATED $2 MILLION.

UM, THE CITY OF EDMOND IS, UM, ESTIMATED TO RECEIVE $1.9 MILLION.

UM, AND AS A REMINDER, UM, TO START THIS TIFF, WE, WE IN, WE TRANSFERRED, UM, $6.5 MILLION SO WE COULD UPFRONT SOME OF THE PAYMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE APPROVED FIRST.

UM, SO WE DO HAVE TO REFUND THAT MONEY OUT OF THE 9.1 THAT IS ESTIMATED TO GET.

THIS IS JUST A BASIC OVERVIEW.

WHAT I WANNA SHOW YOU GUYS ON THIS AS THE, THE CHECKS THAT WE'VE COLLECTED EACH YEAR SO FAR SINCE THE TIFFS INCEPTION, AND THAT IS THE BOTTOM TABLE.

UM, IN 2023, WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST CHECK OF THE INCREMENT, AND THAT WAS 88,000.

UM, IN 24, WE RECEIVED OUR SECOND CHECK, AND THAT WAS 40, ABOUT 45.

$145,000, SORRY.

AND THIS YEAR WE RECEIVED OUR CHECK FOR ABOUT 300,000.

UM, SO THE, THE PAYMENTS ARE COMING UP A LITTLE BIT.

UM, YOU WILL SEE A, A GREATER INCREASE IN THAT HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR WITH THE CAMPBELL BEING ONLINE.

AND THEN THE YEAR AFTER THAT, THE OXLEY COMING ONLINE, OUR CHECKS SHOULD GO UP QUITE A BIT.

AND THIS IS A REPORT THAT COMES OUT EVERY YEAR THAT FINANCE PUTS, PUTS TOGETHER FOR US.

UM, SO THIS WAS AS OF JUNE 30TH, 25.

UM, I THINK JUST TO CALL OUT TO EVERYBODY, IT JUST SHOWS WHAT WE'VE EXPENDED, UM, AND HOW MUCH WE HAVE LEFT IN THE PROJECT PLAN BUDGET.

AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.

QUESTIONS GO AHEAD.

JUST TELL, TELL US A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK WHAT'S HARD FOR, TO BE CONCEPTUALIZED IS THE TIMING OF THE PROCESS.

LIKE LET, LET'S SAY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS THAT IT'S 2 MILLION, WHEN DOES, WHEN DOES, WHEN IS THAT GIVEN? IN OTHER WORDS, DO YOU, DOES THE CITY UPFRONT $2 MILLION TO THE DEVELOPER TO DO A PROJECT? SO MOVING FORWARD, NO.

UM, NONE OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT I WILL BRING TOWARDS COUNSEL SHOULD HAVE A UPFRONT PAYMENT THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING OUR, UM, OUR CONTRACTS AS A PAY AS YOU GO.

SO IT'S MORE LIKE A REFUND OF YOUR PROPERTY TAXES THAT COMES TO YOU AFTER YOU'VE PAID YOUR PROPERTY TAXES AS A DEVELOPER.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE INCREMENTAL PART MM-HMM .

COMES IN, RIGHT? YES.

AND SO THERE'S A, AS THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY INCREASES MM-HMM .

WE CAPTURE AS, YEAH.

WE CAPTURE THE INCREMENT AS INFRASTRUCTURE AS WHATEVER BUILDING GOES ON IT.

IT'S, IT'S NOT AT THE FRONT END ANYMORE.

? NO.

HOW ABOUT THE SCHOOLS? I MEAN, I KNOW LIKE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, IT SHOWS THE SCHOOL WILL COLLECT X, THEY DON'T WAIT TILL THE VERY END TO GET X, DO THEY? NO, NO, NO, NO.

IT'S, IT'S BASED OFF OF THE, THE CHECK THAT THE COUNTY SENDS US.

THEY GET 10% SENT DIRECTLY TO THEM.

UM, IT DOESN'T COME TO US FIRST, IT GOES TO THEM.

RIGHT.

SO THEY GET 10% OF THE INCREMENT EVERY YEAR SENT TO THEM.

SO IF WE TOOK, LET, LET'S, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE, BUT LET, LET'S SAY, I DUNNO, 1 0 3 BROADWAY, LET'S SAY THAT LAND IS PAYING THE SCHOOL AVALOR TAX, $2,000 MM-HMM .

OVER THE COURSE OF THE TIFF, THAT MIGHT CHANGE TO WHERE THEY'RE RECEIVING A HUNDRED AFTER THE TIFF ENDS.

IT, IT COULD BE MORE LIKE 300.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE ABSOLUTELY MM-HMM .

HYPOTHETICAL NUMBERS, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE ON THAT PROJECT.

YEAH, YOU'VE GOT THAT.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

SO THEY'LL KEEP THEIR BASE PAYMENT THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUS TO THE TIF, THE YEAH.

THEY'LL GET 10% OF THE INCREMENT EVERY YEAR.

AND THEN WHEN THE TIFF ENDS IN 2040, THEY'LL GET THAT CUMULATIVE PAYMENT EVERY YEAR AFTER THAT.

SO IF A PROJECT IS APPROVED AND IT'S NEVER DONE, WHO GETS THE MONEY? THEY CONTINUE TO GET THEIR BASE PAYMENT.

THEY JUST DON'T GET ANY INCREMENT BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT.

SO NOBODY DOES.

SO NO PROPERTY TAXES.

RIGHT.

SO, SO IF IT STARTED OUT AT $2,000, THAT'S WHAT IT STILL IS.

THAT'S STILL ALL THE SCHOOL'S GETTING, AND NOBODY'S GOTTEN ANY OF THAT 2 BILLION THE WAY IT WORKS NOW WITH THE CONTRACTS, CORRECT? YES.

WITH THE PAY IN PAYOUT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I ASK? I JUST HAVE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA ADDRESS IT, MAYOR, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE I'VE BEEN, SOME SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TALKED TO ME ABOUT HAVING THIS PRESENTATION, UH, REPEATED AT A SCHOOL.

MAYOR,

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IF YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT, MAYOR.

I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE, NUMBER ONE, THAT YOU FOLLOW UP WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND GIVE THEM THIS PRESENTATION.

BUT I THINK ONE QUESTION, MAYBE IT'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE MISSING THAT YOU, I THINK YOU CAN ANSWER IS SINCE WE'VE STARTED THIS PROCESS, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE INCREMENTAL GAIN FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, HOW MUCH IS THAT PER YEAR TODAY? AND HOW MUCH WILL THAT BE EACH YEAR MOVING FORWARD IF THE MILESTONES ARE HIT? BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE CONCERN WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS, IS THAT THEY'RE LOSING MONEY, WHEREAS IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S, WE'RE DEFERRING THE GAIN, BUT THEY STILL GET PART OF THAT.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S VERY CLEAR.

UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WITH PROPERTY TIFFS VERSUS SALES TAX TIFFS, THERE IS ALWAYS GONNA BE THAT CONCERN ABOUT IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LOSING MONEY? IS THE COUNTY LOSING MONEY? AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS VERY CLEAR ON HOW THAT WORKS.

SO IN ALL YOUR NUMBERS RIGHT HERE DATE, WHAT IS THE NET GAIN PER YEAR FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? I COULD LOOK THAT UP.

I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION SINCE WE DON'T GET THE CHECK FIRST.

UM, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY WAYS THAT I CAN, I CAN CONTACT THE COUNTY AND GET THE, GET THAT NUMBER.

BUT PRESUMABLY IF THERE WAS NO TIF, THEN THE PROJECT WOULD NOT BE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THE PROPERTY TAXES WOULD NOT, THERE WOULD BE NO, NO INCREASE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IN THEORY, IT'S THE TIF, BUT FOUR, YEAH.

IN THEORY.

SO AS YOU ALLUDED TO IN YOUR PRESENTATION, AND, AND I CAN SENSE A LITTLE BIT OF THE FRUSTRATION THAT THE PROJECTS GET BEHIND SCHEDULE OR THE PROJECTS ARE NEVER DONE, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT USUALLY IS A RESULT OF FINANCING.

SO THE FINANCE, THE MONEY STACK, WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM FALLS APART.

HOW DO WE IN THE FUTURE ASSURE A LITTLE BETTER INSIGHT AND LOOK TO BE SURE THAT THAT FUNDING IS THERE WHEN THE PROJECT'S SUPPOSED TO START? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.

IT'S A PART OF OUR AGREEMENTS NOW THAT BEFORE THEY COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION, THEY HAVE TO SHOW EVIDENCE OF FINANCING.

UM, BUT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN BEFORE THE CONTRACT COMES TO COUNSEL.

IS THAT, I'M TRYING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION APPROPRIATELY.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH.

UH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S PART WE, WE NEED A LITTLE MORE ASSURANCE THAT THIS, THAT, THAT THE FUNDING AND THE GAP THAT TIFF IS SUPPOSED BE THE GAP, THE, BUT FOR MM-HMM .

THIS PROJECT CAN'T HAPPEN.

BUT WE ALSO NEED SOME ASSURANCE ON THE BACKSIDE TO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT, THAT SOME OF THE FUNDING OR ALL THE FUNDING IS THERE TO EVEN GET IT STARTED, LET ALONE.

CONTRACT FOR THE LARK HAVE A DUE DATE? NO.

AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON ANYBODY AT THIS POINT TIME, BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE A MORE DIFFICULT TIME IN TERMS OF EVERYBODY'S PRO FORMA CHANGING MONTHLY, IF NOT FASTER THAN THAT BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCES IN MATERIAL COSTS, THE DIFFERENCE IN LABOR COSTS THAT GO UP BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE AND RECEIVE THEIR, WHAT I CALL THEIR MONEY STACK MM-HMM .

THEIR FUNDING TO PUT THE PROJECT TOGETHER.

BUT SOMEHOW WE'VE GOTTA GET BETTER AT THAT TO, TO HAVE SOME ASSURANCE THAT ONCE ALL THIS HAS BEEN ETCHED IN STONE, THAT IT HAPPENS AND WE CAN WORK, I CAN WORK ON THAT, WE CAN WORK ON THAT TOGETHER.

RIGHT NOW WE ASK FOR A PROFORMA, UM, BUT WE DO ASK FOR EVIDENCE OF FINANCING BEFORE THEY COMMENCE.

WHAT WAS THE ANSWER TO THAT? I, I APOLOGIZE.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE ASK FOR A PROFORMA BEFORE WE, WE START NEGOTIATIONS OF A CONTRACT FOR THE TIFF.

UM, BUT THERE, THE EVIDENCE OF FINANCING, LIKE TRUE FINANCING DOESN'T COME AT THAT TIME, BUT IT DOES COME BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE CAN DO IT BEFORE THE CONTRACT IS NEGOTIATED, OR WE CAN DO IT BEFORE COMMENCEMENT.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST DOING IT BEFORE COMMENCEMENT.

ONE MORE FOR ME.

DOES THE

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LESSON LEARNED MAYBE ON THAT ONE.

AND I JUST YOUR OPINION, HAS THIS TIF PROGRAM BEEN A NET POSITIVE FOR THE CITY? YEAH, LET ME GO BACK A SLIDE.

I I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS, I'M SORRY.

UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND COLUMN ON THE BOTTOM, IT DOES SHOW WHAT OUR INCREMENT IS.

SO THERE WAS A, A BASE VALUE, UM, THAT WAS ASSESSED IN 2020, ALMOST 2021.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE INCREMENT OR HOW MUCH THE PROPERTY VALUE HAS GONE UP IN, IN THE TIFF AREA BY THAT ASSESSED VALUE.

SO IT, THE PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE UP.

UM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TIFF START OFF SLOW.

UM, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON'T COME ONLINE FOR FIVE YEARS AFTER THE FIRST AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PHASE AND THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND WAIT A YEAR FOR THE THINGS TO BE ASSESSED AND TO GO ON THE ROLLS.

UM, THERE'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOW START IN A TIFF.

ONE LAST COMMENT OR QUESTION AND OR BOTH, YOU KNOW, I HEAR A LOT, ALL WE'RE DOING IS ENRICHING DEVELOPERS.

ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY MUNICIPALITY OVER 25,000 PEOPLE THAT DO NOT USE TIF TO THEIR ADVANTAGE AND STRUCTURE? NO.

NO.

THERE IT'S, ESPECIALLY IN, IN THIS CLIMATE, THE DEVELOPMENT CLIMATE, THEY'RE BECOMING MORE AND MORE AVAILABLE TO EVEN SMALLER COMMUNITIES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

LET'S MAKE SURE YOU GET SOMETHING SCHEDULED.

SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THEY NEED TO ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND IN GREAT DETAIL WHAT ALL THESE NUMBERS MEAN.

NINE C, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF OPTIONS FOR THE POTENTIAL RENEWAL OF THE 1% GENERAL FUND SALES TAX AND THE 2017 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SALES TAX.

UM, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA BE PLANNING JUST LIKE WE ARE.

[C. Discussion and Consideration of Options for the Potential Renewal(s) of the 1% General Fund Sales Tax and the 2017 Capital Improvement Sales Tax. (Citywide)]

MR. INS, DO YOU WANNA GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND HERE? SURE.

UM, WELL THIS ITEM WAS PUT ON TONIGHT SO WE COULD DISCUSS THE, AND FOR COUNSEL TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF ABOUT THE POTENTIAL RE RENEWAL OF THE TEMPORARY SALES TAXES.

THAT INCLUDES THE 1 CENT THAT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND AND THE HALF CENT, UH, FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, THESE TWO TAXES WILL SUNSET IN MARCH OF 27, AND BOTH ARE VERY CRUCIAL TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY.

UH, THE 1 CENT GENERAL FUND FUNDS GENERAL CITY OPERATIONS, UH, WHICH ARE MOST FUNCTIONS THAT ARE NOT UTILITY RELATED, UH, THAT INCLUDES POLICE AND FIRE AND THE HALF-CENT CIP TAX FUNDS, PROJECTS, I THINK STREETS, ROADS, BUILDINGS, PARKS, ET CETERA.

UH, THE, THE THREE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT WE KIND OF NEED TO PROCEED ARE, UM, POTENTIAL TIMING FOR THE ELECTION, UH, CHANGES TO STATE LAW LIMIT THE NUMBER OF OPTIONS THE CITY HAS FOR ELECTIONS IN THE NEXT YEAR.

UH, LIMITS IT TO ONLY FIVE DIFFERENT DATES.

UH, LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE SALES TAX AMOUNT, UH, IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OR HOLD IT CONSTANT FOR EITHER ONE.

AND THEN, UH, SPECIFIC TO THE HALF CENT CIP TAX, UH, IS THERE A DIRECTION OR A FOCUS THAT THOSE DOLLARS, UH, COULD GO TO THAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO SEE? SO IF YOU WANNA DEDICATE THEM ALL TO SAY ROADS OR A PORTION THEREOF, UM, WE PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF SLIDES.

THIS INFORMATION WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.

UM, ONE IS A SALES TAX HISTORY FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND IN 1973.

THE 1 CENT PERMANENT TAX, UH, FOR GENERAL FUND, UH, WITH ANOTHER, UH, HALF CENT FOR A TEMPORARY WAS ADDED IN 77.

UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND SKIP FORWARD A COUPLE OF SLIDES, UH, FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.

SO, UM, SINCE 2000, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT WE'VE ADDED A PARK TAX, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, POLICE AND FIRE TAX, PERMANENT TAX, AND THEN A PERMANENT CIP TAX.

UH, THERE WAS ALSO A SPECIAL TAX FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER, WHICH WAS LATER ON, VOTED AS ON AND CHANGED TO THE HALF-CENT CIP TAX, UH, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.

AND THEN IF YOU WANNA, NEXT SLIDE IS A COMPARATIVE FOR THE REGION.

UH, THESE ARE ALL THE COMMUNITIES IN THE MSA.

UM, SO THE RANGE IS, WE'RE THE LOWEST AT EIGHT POINT A QUARTER PERCENT ALL THE WAY TO PIEDMONT, WHICH IS 9.85%.

BUT GENERALLY THE RANGE AVERAGE BEING AROUND 8.7.

SO WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION FROM HERE.

WHO WANTS TO GET THIS STARTED? I'D LOVE TO GO RIGHT AHEAD.

YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, LEMME SAY THE SALES TAX, THE RENEWAL IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IMPERATIVE CRITICAL, I, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WORD BEST DESCRIBES THAT.

IF WE LOOK AT AND, AND RANDY, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN? WHEN WAS 2%, WHEN DID THAT BECOME THE GENERAL FUND? WHAT YEAR WAS IT? LIKE

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77? SEVEN SEVEN.

FROM SOME BUSINESS PRINCIPLES.

1977, 2%.

NOW REMEMBER, SALES TAX IS COMPUTED OFF OF TOTAL SALES REVENUE, RIGHT? AND SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE GROWING OUR BASE AND OUR REVENUE ALSO.

SO THAT SAME SALES TAX IS MORE DOLLARS.

I GET THAT.

BUT SINCE 1977, I WANNA LOOK AT THIS IN TOTAL TRANSPARENCY.

WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WANTING TO BE TRANSPARENT UP HERE.

OKAY, WELL, WELL, LET'S BE TRANSPARENT.

1977, WE'VE HAD THE SAME FUNDING MECHANISM OF 2%.

THE GENERAL FUND, WHAT'S THE GENERAL FUND FUND? POLICE, FIRE, PARKS, WRECK, GENERAL, THE CITY STAFF QUITE A BIT.

WELL, AND MR. FRAME, LET'S MAKE IT REAL CLEAR, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, TWO THIRDS OF THAT GOES TO POLICE AND FIRE.

TWO THIRDS OF POLICE AND FIRE.

AND SO THE WAY I WANT TO APPROACH THIS, I WANT EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT IT, LOOK, LOOK AT IT, PRESENT VALUE OF MONEY.

NOT, NOT FUTURE VALUE WHERE INTEREST IS COMPOUNDED, BUT WHAT IS MONEY WORTH IN THE FUTURE? OKAY, LET, LET'S TAKE BOTH OF 'EM.

THE HALF CENT IS ROUGHLY, THAT BRINGS US ROUGHLY $12 MILLION, OKAY? OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD.

FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU KNOW ANY BUSINESS THAT WOULD LOCK THEMSELF INTO A 10 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME? THAT THIS IS GONNA BE MY, MY RATE, I'M GONNA, I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS, HOMEOWNERS, UH, WIDGET SALES, THIS IS IT.

BUT THIS IS GOVERNMENT.

I GET IT.

IT'S DIFFERENT.

BUT I WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT TOO.

WE LOOK AT THIS AND, AND $12 MILLION IN 10 YEARS, LET'S JUST THROW IN 3% INFLATION COMPOUNDED.

YOU COULD SAY THAT'S HIGH.

I DON'T KNOW.

FED LOVES IT TO BE TWO.

SEEMS LIKE WE CAN'T ALWAYS GET THERE.

SO 3% COMPOUNDED THAT 12 MILLION IS NOW WORTH $7.3 MILLION IN THAT 10TH YEAR.

SO NO, WE'RE NOT BUYING GOODS AND SERVICES WITH THE SAME PURCHASING POWER.

IT HAS SHRUNK DRAMATICALLY.

LET'S TAKE THE 1 CENT, THE 20, IT BRINGS IN AROUND $24 MILLION WITH 3%, AGAIN, OVER 10 YEARS AT THAT 10TH YEAR, THAT'S NOW EQUAL TO 17.8 MILLION, NOT 24 AT 5%.

IT'S WORTH 14.7.

SO MY QUESTION TO EVERYBODY AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS GOING FORWARD, UM, WE, WE, WE, IS IT A SUSTAINABLE BUSINESS PLAN FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND TO LOCK IN SINCE 1977? THE SAME EXACT SALES TAX RATE? I'M NOT GONNA GIVE YOU MY OPINION.

YOU CAN PROBABLY GUESS IT.

I'LL LET YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, THERE'S NOT A BUSINESS IN THE WORLD.

WELL, THEY WOULDN'T BE AROUND LONG, WOULD THEY? LET'S ALSO LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT, WHY WOULD WE, WHY WOULD ANY BUSINESS, LET ALONE A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, LOOK AT A SALES TAX RATE, KNOWING BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS IN TWO YEARS, THAT REVENUE DOES NOT SUPPORT OUR NEEDS AT THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE TWO YEARS.

SO IS THAT BEING TRANSPARENT FOR ME TO ASK YOU TO RENEW EXACTLY AS IS AND THEN SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD GO, OOPS, WE'RE NOT, WE, WE NEED MORE.

WHEN RIGHT NOW, SITTING HERE TODAY, WE MIGHT ALREADY KNOW THAT WE NEED MORE.

JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS A CITY.

UM, THAT STRATEGIC PLAN IS IMPORTANT.

UM, BUT THAT'S FOR THE CITY.

SO, SO BEFORE I TURN THIS OVER TO EVERYBODY ELSE, LET'S LOOK AT IT FROM BILLY AND JANE.

LET'S LOOK AT IT FROM THE AVERAGE CITIZEN STANDPOINT.

HOW DOES THIS IMPACT THEM? I MEAN, WE ALL FEEL PAIN AT TAXES.

I GET IT.

I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE IT'S MY GENERATION ACTUALLY THE ONE BELOW PROBABLY THAT ANY TAX IS A BAD ONE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT THERE.

I THINK IT TRICKLES DOWN FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

BUT IF WE LOOK AT $12 MILLION AND THAT, THAT'S, REMEMBER THAT'S A HALF CENT.

SO, SO LET'S SAY YOU INCREASE SALES TAX.

I'M NOT, THIS IS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL.

LET'S SAY WE INCREASED HALF A CENT QUARTER TO THE CIP QUARTER TO GENERAL FUND.

THAT'S $12 MILLION TOTAL.

LET'S TAKE, LET'S TAKE THE VOTERS AROUND SOMEWHERE AROUND 65,000 VOTERS.

THAT'S $184 A YEAR PAYING

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THRESHOLD TO THEM.

$184.

DIVIDE THAT WITH ME BY 12.

GET ABOUT $15 A MONTH.

HOW ABOUT DAILY? IT'S 51 CENTS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INVESTING 51 CENTS A DAY TO OUR CITY.

NOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE CAN WAIT TILL WE'RE DESPERATE, BUT GOLLY, I HATE TO THINK THAT MY CITY ONLY DOES THINGS WHEN WE'RE DESPERATE.

GOTTA HAVE A LITTLE FORESIGHT IN ALL OF THIS.

SO, AND YOU KNOW, SO WHAT, WHAT IS IT, WHAT IS IT? HOW DOES IT PUT US IN A COMPETITIVE POSITION? WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE.

WE'RE LIKE AT OKLAHOMA CITY.

SO ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOWEST LOWER THAN US AT THAT POINT.

SO YOU'RE GONNA PURCHASE, SOMEBODY WANTS TO PURCHASE A $500 ITEM AT WALMART AND THEY LIVE IN MORE AND THEY CAN SAVE A QUARTER A CENT ON THE SALES TAX ACTS THAT THEY SAVE ABOUT $2 AND 75 CENTS AND THEY BURN $3 AND 50 CENTS IN GASOLINE.

I MEAN THAT, IT'S NOT A THRESHOLD THAT GIVES US ANY GREAT COMPETITIVE POSITION TO BE ABLE TO STAND UP HERE AND SAY, GUESS WHAT? WE'RE IN LAST PLACE.

YEAH, WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE IN LAST PLACE ON A LOT OF OTHER THINGS IF WE DON'T LOOK AT THIS REALISTICALLY FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING.

I, AND UH, THIS IS, THIS IS ROUGH, BUT PROJECTION.

IF THAT SALES TAX, IF THE 1 CENT DID NOT GET RENEWED, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN? 53 PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 53 OR 50 OUT OF 186 POLICE OFFICERS, 38 OUT OF 143 FIRE DEPARTMENT PEOPLE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO TURN THREE MINUTE RESPONSE TIME BY OUR FIRST RESPONDERS INTO NINE OR 10.

IS THAT A GOOD PLAN? SO I SAY THAT WITH SOME PASSION, AND I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S PASSION THAT I BELIEVE IN.

IT'S PASSION THAT I WANT ALL OF YOU TO HAVE.

'CAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS SALES TAX WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN EYE THAN JUST SAYING, IT'S A TAX I HAVE TO PAY AGAIN.

WELL, I BET YOU ALL OF THOSE OTHER CITIES LISTED UP THERE, OR AT LEAST ALL BUT ONE OR TWO ALSO HAVE PROPERTY TAX THAT GOES TO THEIR MUNICIPALITY.

WE DON'T.

OKAY, THAT'S COOL.

BUT IF THAT'S FACT, WE CAN'T BE LAST PLACE IN SALES TAX EITHER.

UH, AS WE'VE MADE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY COMMITTED TO ANALYZING OUR FINANCES, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDS AND CARRYING ON THAT LEGACY.

I THINK WHAT I'M NOT GONNA, I AGREE WITH MR. FRAME.

I'M GONNA BE MUCH SHORTER THAN THAT FOR, SO YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO SWEAT THAT .

I, UH, I'M FOR EXTENDING THE SALES TAX.

I'M FOR CONSIDERING RAISING THEM AT SOME POINT.

I THINK A DEAL'S A DEAL.

WE ASK FOR 10 YEARS.

THE VOTERS VOTED FOR 10 YEARS, AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO STICK WITH THAT.

UH, THESE ARE, THEY'RE BEYOND IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY.

UH, I HEAR PEOPLE OFTEN SAY, EDMOND SPECIAL EDMOND IS SPECIAL, AND THESE TWO TAXES WILL KEEP EDMOND SPECIAL, BUT WE CAN DO BETTER.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE, 2, 3, 4, 5 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, PERHAPS RAISING EACH OF THESE A HALF A HALF A POINT, UH, MAYBE SOONER.

I DON'T KNOW.

I'M OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION.

UH, I'VE HAD CITIZENS TELL ME, WELL, WHY DON'T WE HAVE A MAPS LIKE OKLAHOMA CITY AND HAVE A SALES TAX ESPECIALLY, UH, DESIGNATED FOR ROADS.

I'M HAPPY TO CONSIDER THAT.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

SO, MR. MAYOR, I, I, I BELIEVE PART OF THE, THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE IS WHEN TO DO THIS.

AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO TRY TO DO IT IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER.

UH, GET THAT ON THE BOOKS, GET IT PASSED.

EVERYBODY CAN BREATHE EASY.

THEY'RE ON THE BOOKS FOR 10 MORE YEARS.

AND THEN IF WE WANT TO EVALUATE WHERE WE NEED TO GO IN TWO OR THREE OR FOUR YEARS, WE CAN.

SO I'M FOR THESE EXTENSIONS AND I'D LIKE TO DO IT IN NOVEMBER, MS. MURDOCH NICHOLS, UM, FOR, I MEAN, IT'S NO QUESTION UP HERE THAT WE KNOW THE SERIOUSNESS OF, UM, GETTING THESE SALES TAX RENEWED.

AND,

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SO, UM, I AGREE WE NEED TO DO IT SOONER, UH, TO GET THOSE EXTENDED.

AND I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, PERHAPS WE, UH, IN THE FUTURE LOOK AT WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO RAISE THOSE.

AND, UM, BUT FOR NOW I'M INTERESTED IN PUTTING IT ON A BALLOT TO EXTEND.

AND, UM, I THINK NOVEMBER WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE AS WELL.

THOUGHT I GOT TO GO LAST AND LISTEN TO WHAT YOU GUYS ALL SAID FIRST.

UM, I'M FOR EXTENDING THESE AS WELL.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY OBVIOUS THAT, THAT WE REALLY NEED THIS TO RUN OUR CITY.

UM, I THINK WE SHOULD RENEW THEM AT THE SAME TIME OR, OR PUT 'EM ON THE BALLOT AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, AND FOR THE, THE 10 YEAR WINDOW, LIKE COUNCILMAN MOORE SAID, I THINK WE, UM, WELL MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS IS A LITTLE MORE FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, I SERVED ON THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD BEFORE I WAS IN THIS SEAT.

AND, UM, SO GOT TO SEE FIRSTHAND, UH, JUST WHAT ALL WE WERE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT TAX.

THAT'S BEEN RENEWED A FEW TIMES NOW.

AND, UM, WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY NEAT STUFF AS A CITY WITH THAT SORT OF LIKE MAPS.

I MEAN, THIS ISN'T A THING THAT WE, UH, WE LIKE INVEST IN OURSELF.

AND SO WE'VE DONE THINGS LIKE, UM, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST IN THE PACKET HERE, BUT, UM, PELICAN BAY RIGHT NOW IS BEING PAID FOR THAT.

UM, ALL THE TRAILS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, ADMIN CENTER, COURT PARTNERSHIP, YMCA KICKING BIRD, UM, I THINK OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS IT'S BEEN 175 MILLION TOWARDS ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

62 MILLION TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO JUST A LOT OF STUFF.

AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT KIND OF THE, THE NEAT THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN OR SOME OF THE, JUST THE FOUNDATIONAL THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN, THEY WERE PAID FOR BY THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS SALES TAX.

AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE RENEW THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE, WHEN WE HAD THE GEO BOND ELECTION, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I HEARD WAS, WE DON'T WANT A PROPERTY TAX.

UM, WE, WE WOULD PREFER A SALES TAX.

'CAUSE THEN PEOPLE CAN DECIDE THEY CAN CONTROL THEIR SPENDING IF THEY'RE ON A FIXED INCOME.

UM, THEY HAVE THE CHOICE OF WHAT THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH THEY WANNA SPEND.

AND SO I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT EVER SINCE THAT ALL WENT DOWN.

UM, I THINK, AND THE OTHER THING WE HEAR A LOT, ALL OF US HERE, I THINK IS, IS THE ROADS RIGHT? THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.

WE NEED TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF OUR DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

UM, IF WE HAD MONEY TO DO THAT, WE KNOW THERE'S SOME INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE STRUGGLING THAT ARE GONNA NEED TO BE EXPANDED.

WE KNOW THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE TO DO.

AND SO, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS TO RENEW THE CIP UM, TAX.

RIGHT NOW WE PUT OUT OF THE CIP FUNDING, WE PUT ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TOWARDS ROADS.

UM, AND THEN A COUPLE, LIKE MAYBE AN INTERSECTION HERE OR THERE OVER THE YEARS, UM, WE HAD A PAVEMENT STUDY THAT, THAT CAME THROUGH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ABOUT 3, 4, 5 MONTHS AGO THAT SAID IT WAS A STUDY DONE ON ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR STREETS AROUND TOWN.

THEY DROVE AROUND WITH THESE TRUCKS WITH LASER SCANNERS ON 'EM, LOOKED AT THE CONDITION OF ALL OF OUR PAVEMENT IN TOWN, AND THEY SAID THAT WE NEED TO BE INVESTING ABOUT 10 TO 15 MILLION A YEAR IN JUST MAINTAINING THE ROADS WE HAVE.

OKAY, SO WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF.

SO WE NEED TO ROUGHLY DOUBLE THAT OR A LITTLE MORE JUST TO KEEP UP WITH THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE.

WE HEARD, UM, WELL, LIKE I SAID, WE KNOW INTERSECTIONS COST A LOT.

THEY'RE COSTING, I DON'T KNOW, 10 TO 40 MILLION DEPENDING ON THE INTERSECTION.

EVERYTHING'S EXPENSIVE TO DO.

AND LIKE, UM, PHIL SAID THE PRICE OF THINGS HAS OUTPACED, UH, AND INFLATION HAS OUTPACED THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE SEEN IN SALES TAX.

AND SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT WE FOCUS THE CIP TAX ON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT ROAD MAINTENANCE AND ON, UM, INFRAS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UH, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

IF WE JUST DO THE MATH, I MEAN, WE THINK WE NEED, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 15 MILLION A YEAR OVER 10 YEARS IS A HUNDRED TO 150 MILLION A YEAR.

WE KNOW WE HAVE A LIST OF PROBABLY A HUNDRED MILLION OF INTERSECTIONS AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 200 TO TWO 50 A YEAR IF WE JUST RENEW THE ONE WE HAVE.

I THINK IT'S, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE MATH.

IT'S TO HALF A CENT OVER 10 YEARS.

UM, IF WE WANNA DO THAT TODAY, IF WE WANNA DO THAT LATER, I DON'T FEEL SUPER STRONGLY ABOUT THAT.

HUNDRED 20 MILLION A YEAR.

SO, SO IF WE WANT TO COVER ALL THE THINGS THAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US, WE REALLY SHOULD INCREASE CIPA LITTLE BIT TO COVER THAT.

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BUT I THINK IF THE CITIZEN'S EXPECTATIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT THROUGH PROPERTY TAX LIKE OKLAHOMA CITY AND MOST CITIES DO, BUT WE DO HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF HIGH QUALITY ROADS.

WE HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT OUR INTERSECTIONS HAVE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THINGS.

WE GOTTA HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT TRYING TO ALIGN THAT CIP, UM, PERCENTAGE OR, OR THE EXPECTED DOLLAR AMOUNT AS CLOSE AS, AS CLOSELY, AS CLOSELY AS WE CAN TO THE ROAD DOLLARS THAT WE THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO COVER OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

THAT'S KINDA WHERE I'M AT WITH THAT.

IN TERMS OF TIMING ON RENEWALS, UH, WE DO WANT TO, WE, WE TRY TO NOT CONFLICT WITH EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOL BONDS.

WE TRY NOT TO CONFLICT WITH OTHER THINGS WE KNOW ARE COMING.

THERE WAS SOME NEWS ABOUT A JAIL TAX MAY COMING.

SO, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT A, AN EARLIER, YOU KNOW, A NOVEMBER UH, BALLOT MEASURE ON THESE TWO ITEMS. UM, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO KIND OF GET AHEAD OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT MAY BE COMING.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THESE APPROVED TO SECURE OUR FUTURE AS A CITY LIKE, UH, CONSTABLE MOORE SAID.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON IT.

ME TOO, ON THE, ON THE EARLIER, I USED TO NOT BE QUITE AS EARLY, BUT I, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF SOME THINGS.

I THINK NOVEMBER, IF, IF WE CAN ALL THINK THAT THAT EDUCATION PROCESS, COMMUNICATION PROCESS TO CITIZENS OF EDMOND IN WHATEVER IT IS, MEETINGS IN GROUPS OR WHATEVER, IF WE CAN GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.

I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN 60 DAYS, BUT, UH, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT PUSHING THAT.

BUT JUST A CRAZY IDEA, MR. WATERSON ADD 6 MILLION TO 4.5 AND WHAT, LO AND BEHOLD YOU GET 10.5 MILLION MM-HMM IT'S, IF WE COULD DEDICATE THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUR STREETS AND ROADS MAPS PROGRAM.

SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND I FORGOT TO MENTION ONE THING.

I THINK THE, SO THE JOB OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS ADVISORY BOARD IS TO HELP US AS A COUNCIL PRIORITIZE HOW THAT MONEY IS PRIORITIZED AND SPENT.

AND SO I WOULD LOOK TO THAT BOARD TO HELP US PRIORITIZE KIND OF THE ORDER OF, OF THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT WANNA DO ON THE LIST AND THEN THE ORDER TO HELP US, HELP US DECIDE WHAT WE MIGHT WANNA DO ON THAT.

OKAY, SO NOW, MR. WATERSON, I'LL REMIND YOU THAT I'M GOING LAST .

GO FOR IT.

UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR MAYOR, IT WAS ON FISCAL TRANSPARENCY AND GETTING US SO THAT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM, EVERYONE IN THIS CITY COULD SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON.

AND WE'VE ALREADY MADE SOME REALLY GOOD PROGRESS.

AND, AND MOST OF THAT CREDIT, I THINK GOES TO STAFF FOR REDUCING OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR BY $40 MILLION.

WE'VE ASKED THE, THE CITY MANAGER TO FIND US ANOTHER MILLION BY NEXT WEEK, AND I THINK HE'S THERE.

I HOPE HE IS THERE.

UM, WE DO NOT HAVE THE REPORTING MECHANISM QUITE IN PLACE THE WAY WE WOULD LIKE IT, BUT WE'VE GOT A BUDGET TASK FORCE IN PLACE THAT IS WORKING ON ALL OF THAT.

UM, AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS UP HERE THROUGH INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSIONS WITH ME HAVE TWISTED MY ARM BECAUSE I WAS SAYING, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TOUCH THIS UNTIL WE GET WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW THE CITY SO THAT WE COULD SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON EVERYTHING, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE REALITIES OF IT AND THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE, UM, I RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE GOT TO GET AHEAD OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE COMING AT US.

THERE IS A SCHOOL BOND ELECTION IN FEBRUARY.

THE COUNTY HAS SAID THEY WANT TO BRING OUT A, A VOTE FOR A SALES TAX FOR THE JAIL IN APRIL.

WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA DATES BECAUSE IF WE TAKE THIS TO THE VOTERS AND WE STUMBLE ON EITHER ONE OF THESE TWO QUESTIONS, WE WILL HAVE TO RUN THREE TIMES AS FAST JUST TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT.

AND YOU HEARD ME SAY AS MR. FRAME WAS TALKING EARLIER, THAT PENNY SALES TAX THAT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND, TWO THIRDS OF THAT IS GOING DIRECTLY TO POLICE AND FIRE.

UM, THIS IS CRITICAL JUST TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN, THE LIGHTS ON.

AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT HALF CENT CIP TAX, AS YOU HEARD MR. WATERSON SAY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 10 DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN USE THAT FOR ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

I'M ALL FOR STRIPPING OUT NINE

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OF THOSE 10 AND JUST SAYING IT'S JUST ABOUT ROADS.

BECAUSE IF YOU LISTEN TO ANYBODY IN THIS CITY, WHAT DO THEY WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT? ROADS.

THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT CONGESTION, THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC.

UM, THAT WOULD GIVE US A BIG HEAD START TO PLAY CATCH UP ON THAT PIECE.

WHERE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SPENDING FOUR AND A HALF MILLION AND WE'RE ROUGHLY 8 MILLION SHORT.

UM, I NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE SITTING HERE WITH YOU ALL THIS EVENING SAYING NOVEMBER SOUNDS LIKE A HECK OF A TIME.

I KNOW IT'S SHORT.

UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF WORK FROM ALL OF US.

IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF WORK FOR, FROM CITIZENS IN THIS CITY TO MAKE EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY BONDS THAT ARE RUN HELPING US RUN THE CITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A VALOREM TAXES BUILT IN THE WAY A LOT OF STATES DO FOR MUNICIPALITIES.

WE'RE RELIANT ON THE SALES TAX.

AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA SAY, I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT SALES TAX WAS BEFORE I WENT OUT TO EAT OR BEFORE I WENT AND BOUGHT A NEW SHIRT.

UM, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID THAT DURING THE JAIL BOND ELECTION IS WE'D RATHER PUT IT INTO SALES TAX THAN PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE THEN EVERYBODY PAYS IT.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT YEAH, THE DIRECTION OUGHT TO BE TO STAFF.

LET'S FOCUS ON GETTING WHAT WE NEED ON AN AGENDA TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IN NOVEMBER AT THE CURRENT RATES.

I DO NOT WANT TO INCREASE EITHER ONE OF THESE TAXES UNTIL WE CAN SHOW OUR CITIZENS EXACTLY HOW WE'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY IN DETAIL.

THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.

UM, IF WE NEED TO COME BACK IN TWO OR THREE YEARS AND ADDRESS THE GENERAL FUND PIECE, THAT'S GREAT.

IF WE NEED TO COME BACK IN TWO OR THREE YEARS AND ADJUST THE, THE CIP PIECE, THAT'S GREAT.

IF WE WANT TO COME BACK IN TWO OR THREE YEARS AND MAKE THE GENERAL FUND PIECE PERMANENT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

I THINK IT WOULD.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'VE GOT OUR DUCKS LINED UP AND WE'RE CREATING THAT VISION FOR THE FUTURE.

AND IT STARTS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WELL, WE NEED TO EXTEND THOSE TAXES .

AND I THINK THE DATE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS NOVEMBER 18TH, IS THAT RIGHT? OF 2025.

SAY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE SHORT.

IT'S AN IMPORTANT DATE FOR ALL OF US TO REMEMBER.

THE CITY'S BOND COUNCIL AND FINANCIAL ADVISOR ARE HERE ALSO, IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS FOR THEM, I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE FORGOTTEN.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOND COUNCIL? UH, SOMEWHAT SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE QUESTION.

ALLEN SHOULDN'T BE SITTING OUT THERE WAITING ON US.

I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY FOR HIM.

I'M, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT GETTING THESE THINGS RENEWED.

NOVEMBER.

WHAT WOULD THE DATE BE? NOVEMBER 18TH.

NOVEMBER 18TH.

I ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION OR LET'S HAVE IT RIGHT NOW ON HOW MUCH WE GOT THE, WHEN FIGURED OUT.

I THINK, WELL, I, I MEAN, I'VE SAID IT, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THEM RIGHT WHERE THEY ARE FOR NOW.

UH, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO SHOW A COMMITMENT TO THE CITIZENS THAT WE'RE MOVING THIS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE DOING.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN IF YOU COME BACK IN A YEAR OR TWO IF YOU GOT IT.

WELL, I, I FEEL WEIRD SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA RENEW 'EM, BUT THEN I'M GONNA COME BACK AND TELL YOU I NEED MORE.

OKAY? AND IF I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT WE NEED FIVE AND A HALF TO SIX MORE MILLION DOLLARS IN STREETS AND ROADS AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT'S DEDICATED FOR.

WHERE WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

AND, AND I THINK WE'RE PLAYING GAMES WITH IT TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA RENEW IT LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT THEN MAYBE WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND ASK YOU FOR SOME MORE.

WE'RE ASKING FOR A QUARTER OF A CENT.

THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE YOU CHOKE WHEN YOU BUY DINNER TOMORROW.

NO, IT'S NOT.

BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE REALITIES OF IT, MR. FRAME.

AND THAT'S, WE'VE GOTTA SHOW THE CITIZENS THAT WE'VE GOTTA SHOW THAT WE'VE GOT THIS UNDER CONTROL AND WE'RE NOT THERE.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE SAYING THAT.

AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN AT LEAST CONTINUE AND THEN

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I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.

I, I AGREE.

EXCEPT THAT YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE SHORT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF A QUARTER OF A CENT.

SO DON'T SIT AND TELL EVERYBODY THAT WE'RE OKAY RIGHT NOW AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN A LITTLE WHILE AND TELL YOU WE'RE SHORT.

IF WE'RE SHORT NOW, WE'RE SHORT TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

IN FACT, WE'RE FURTHER SHORT TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW FOR A QUARTER OF A CENT.

AND IF I'M TELLING YOU THIS IS ALL, UH, IT'S WHERE I DISAGREE.

I, I AGREE.

BUT WITH PRESSING, WE DON'T GIVE CIP THE CHOICE OF WHERE THAT, THAT FIVE AND A HALF, THAT 6 MILLION, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING AND IT'S GOING THERE NOW.

I MEAN, HOW IS THAT CONFUSING? HOW IS THAT NOT, YOU KNOW, CREDIBLE? SO, SO WHAT I'LL, YEAH, WHAT I'LL SAY IS THE PROBLEM WITH CIP TO DATE IS THERE'S 10 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN BE USED ON.

AND IF YOU SAY, LET'S DEAL WITH THE STREET ISSUE, LET'S DEAL WITH THE STREET ISSUE.

AND THEN IF WE, IF WE WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IF WE WANNA DO A MAPS THING THAT'S MORE MAPS CREATIVE THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS.

MR. MAYOR, I'VE BEEN ON CIP WHEN COUNCIL ASK, WHEN COUNCIL DIRECTS, THAT'S WHAT IT'S SPENT ON.

AND I'M SAYING A QUARTER OF A CENT, FIVE AND A HALF TO $6 MILLION IS GOING TO BE SPENT ON STREETS AND ROADS.

WE NEED TO GET TO 10, 10 AND A HALF MILLION.

AND YOU AND I BOTH KNOW IT'S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW, SO I CAN'T WISH IT THERE.

WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING TO GET IT THERE.

AND, AND WAITING TWO YEARS, WE NEED MORE THAN THAT IN TWO YEARS.

'CAUSE WE'RE BEHIND THE, THE GAME .

WELL, I, PARDON ME, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU COUNCILMAN, THAT WE NEED TO RAISE THAT.

I DO DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT I'M NOT PLAYING A GAME HERE.

AND I THINK THEY'LL SAY, YES, I'M CONFIDENT THEY'LL SAY YES TO BOTH TAXES TO A 10 YEAR EXTENSION.

AGREED.

AND THEN I THINK, I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE, THIS AUGUST IS ABOUT BURNED UP.

WE'VE GOT SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, THEN WE VOTE.

AND I THINK THE CITIZENS, IF WE COME BACK TO 'EM IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO INCREASE THE SALES TAX ON YOUR PURCHASES, I THINK YOU'LL DO IT.

I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE CITIZENS OF EDMOND WANT THE BEST.

AND I, I JUST WANT TO, TO LEVEL WITH THEM THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TONIGHT TO RENEW THE TWO TAXES.

AND IT'S NOT A GAME.

'CAUSE I'LL SIT RIGHT HERE AND BE THE FIRST TO SAY, FOLKS, WE NEED TO RAISE IT AGAIN.

LET'S RAISE IT.

BUT I THINK TONIGHT I'M IN FAVOR OF BOTH EXTENSIONS AT THE CURRENT LEVEL.

MAYBE GAMES WAS TOO STRONG OF A WORD.

SAY PARDON.

GAMES WAS TOO STRONG OF A WORD.

UH, BUT WHEN WE KNOW ONE THING AND WE ASK ANOTHER, I DON'T CALL THAT TOTAL TRANSPARENCY.

I THINK I'M A PRETTY TRANSPARENT GUY.

I'VE MADE IT CLEAR I'M FOR EXTENDING THESE TAXES AND I WILL COME BACK HERE IN A YEAR OR TWO OR THREE.

I MAY NOT EVEN BE UP HERE, BUT I'LL BE STANDING ON A STREET CORNER SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO RAISE THIS CIP ANOTHER HALF A POINT.

BUT I I, I JUST THINK IN FAIRNESS TO THE CITIZENS, WE LEVELED WITH THEM 10 YEARS AGO AND WE NEED TO LEVEL WITH 'EM TONIGHT.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR CIP.

WE DON'T, BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO LOOK YOU IN THE EYE TONIGHT AND SAY, VOTE YES ON THESE IN NOVEMBER AND YOU'LL SEE US BACK HERE AT SOME OTHER POINT ASKING TO RAISE AT A HALF A CENT.

MAYOR, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO GET THE LAST WORD.

BUTTON THIS UP.

I DON'T KNOW.

HE DIDN'T GET THE LAST NECESSARILY GO AHEAD.

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BUT YEAH, I'LL LET HIM HAVE THE LAST, LET ME INTERJECT ONE MORE THING.

I MEAN, I JUST THINK THIS IS, THIS IS SO CRITICAL.

WE KNOW THE NEED.

WE ALL WANT IT.

WE DON'T WANT IT IN TWO YEARS, DO WE? WE, WE DON'T WANT TO PLAN AND RESURFACE MORE ROADS.

IN TWO YEARS WE'VE BEEN TOLD WE HAVE A STUDY AND IT SHOWS YOU NEED FIVE AND A HALF TO SIX MORE MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR.

IF NOT, YOU NEED MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, THE CORE AND THE BASE FALL APART? I, I, I DON'T SEE, I'M, I'M GETTING LOST IN HOW THAT'S DIFFICULT FOR ANY OF THE CITIZENS TO GRASP AND ALL OF THEM TO JUMP ON BOARD WITH.

AND, AND YES, I CAN SAY WELL JUST RENEW IT LIKE IT IS AND THEN I'LL TELL YOU IN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS THAT WE NEED MORE.

WELL, I, I GUESS I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I WOULD CERTAINLY APPROVE THAT VERSUS GOING BACKWARDS.

BUT I, I JUST, I JUST GET A LITTLE MIXED UP IN THE LOGIC THAT I'M NOT BEING CREDIBLE TO ANYBODY BY TELLING THEM THAT NOW AS OPPOSED TO TWO YEARS.

I, MR. FRAME, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE DO NEED.

WE NEED MORE THAN JUST WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR ROADS.

WE NEED TO GET TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT.

'CAUSE THE LAST THING I'D HATE TO DO IS INCREASE THIS A QUARTER CENT OR A HALF CENT IN NOVEMBER AND TURN AROUND SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR LATER AND GO, OH, WE MISSED IT BY A HALF A CENT.

I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS.

I I WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING AND I WANT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE, NOT JUST US, BUT THE CITIZENS ARE COMFORTABLE THAT WE DID THE WORK TO SAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH WE NEED.

AND I'M NOT THERE.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT AT THAT POINT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS YET.

I, I DON'T, I DON'T EITHER.

I WOULD AGREE.

I I I WOULD TAKE OVERS AND UN UNDERS WITH YOU THAT IT'S MORE THAN A QUARTER.

SO IF YOU GET A QUARTER, YOU'RE STILL GONNA NEED MORE AND YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA REALIZE THAT.

SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I AM, THAT'S WHERE I AM.

I WANNA GET, I WANNA GET WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON DONE.

SO THAT WE CAN SAY, HERE IT IS, AND THIS IS WHAT ELSE WE NEED.

BECAUSE I WANNA GET, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE THREE EIGHTHS, IT MIGHT BE A HALF.

I, I'M JUST SAYING, SAYING QUARTER.

I WANNA GET NUMBER RIGHT WHEN WE GO BACK AND ASK A QUARTER'S, NOT OVERSHOOTING, I PROMISE YOU THAT.

NO, IT'S NOT.

HERSELF, LIKE I SAID, SHE'S IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.

BUT, BUT THEN YOU ASK FOR A QUARTER AND THEN YOU COME BACK IN A YEAR WHEN YOU FIGURE IT OUT AND, AND WHAT ARE THEY GONNA SAY? VOTERS ARE GONNA SAY, OH, HERE THEY COME AGAIN.

I DON'T WANT THAT.

WELL, THAT, THAT MIGHT HAPPEN WHEN YOU SAY, I'M OKAY WITH RENEWING IT AS IT IS, BUT NOW I NEED A QUARTER.

I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE.

THAT'S THE SAME THING, JUST DIFFERENT NUMBERS.

I THINK IF WE DO IT RIGHT, THE CITIZENS OF EDMOND VOTERS WILL DO IT.

RIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO GET THE NUMBER RIGHT.

I DO TOO, EXCEPT THAT I SIT HERE AND KNOW THE NUMBERS WRONG.

OKAY, SO, SO DO WE VOTE THAT? YEAH, LET'S JUST GO OUT AND TELL 'EM WE KNOW THE NUMBERS WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AGAIN FOR A WHILE.

WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE MESSAGE.

WELL, BUT THAT'S THE ACTUARY, THAT'S THE ACTUALITY OF IT, WHETHER IT'S THE MESSAGE OR NOT, THAT'S WHAT NO, IT IS.

THE ACTUALITY OF IT IS EXACTLY WHAT MR. MOORE SAID.

IT'S, THIS IS WHAT WE AGREED TO 10 YEARS AGO AND WE'RE, WE'RE COMING BACK TO THE VOTERS NOW AND SAYING, WE DID WHAT YOU SAID, AND NOW WE WANT TO RENEW IT AGAIN FOR 10 MORE YEARS AND THEN WE CAN FINISH THE REFORMS WE'RE WORKING ON THE, THE, THE TRANSPARENCY WE'RE WORKING ON TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.

IT, IT, IT'S A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

IT'S A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

AND WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK.

I, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING THAT.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING THAT TO ANYBODY, BUT WE'VE GOTTA GET WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY RENEWED SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE LIGHTS ON WHILE WE'RE FIGURING OUT WHAT WE NEED NEXT.

AND MR. MAYOR, I JUST, FOR, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I, AT YOUR SUGGESTION, AND I, AND I WAS HAPPY TO DO IT.

I WENT OUT AND I HAD A CHAT WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AT THE CHAMBER, MS. JORDAN, I SEE HER IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM THERE, MEETINGS WITH HER GO, WELL, IF YOU SHOW UP ON TIME AND SAY YES A LOT, BUT I, I HAD A, A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH HER AND I TOLD HER THAT HOW IMPORTANT THESE ARE.

SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT SHE'S SUPPORTIVE OF THIS EFFORT, BUT WHEN I ASK HER ABOUT MAKING THESE PERMANENT OR PERHAPS RAISING ONE AND SHE CAN SPEAK FOR

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SHE ADVISED ME THAT IT WOULD BE WISE TO RENEW THESE FOR THE 10 YEAR PERIOD.

AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR A SPECIAL TAX FOR A SPECIAL PURPOSE, SIMILAR TO MAPS IN OKLAHOMA CITY, I BELIEVE SHE'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

AND I THINK THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

MS. JORDAN, YOU CAN SPEAK FOR YOURSELF IF YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE AND TELL ME HOW OUR CONVERSATION WENT, BUT THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.

MR. MAYOR, WOULD YOU GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, MS. JORDAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO US, WE'D, WE'D LOVE A LITTLE INPUT HERE.

I THINK.

HI, SHERRY JORDAN, CEO FOR THE EDMOND CHAMBER.

PLEASE EXCUSE MY ATTIRE.

I DID NOT KNOW I WAS COMING UP HERE TONIGHT FOR SURE.

TO, TO SPEAK TO YOU.

I'VE BEEN OUT IN THE RAIN WITH MY DAUGHTER ALL DAY SHOPPING.

STIMULATING THE ECONOMY AS IT WOULD BE.

YOU WERE SHOPPING IN EDMOND, RIGHT? I WAS.

I WAS.

AND THAT SALES TAX, THAT'S RIGHT.

SALES TAX.

UM, YES.

UM, MR. MOORE AND I DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

THE CHAMBER'S ALWAYS, UM, WE'VE HISTORICALLY SUPPORTED ALL OF THE SALES TAX RENEWAL ELECTIONS.

UM, WE'VE PUT OUR, OUR FUNDS TO GOOD USE TO PROMOTE THEM AND, AND GET THE WORD OUT TO THE, TO THE CITY.

AND, UM, I, I'VE TALKED TO MY BOARD OF DIRECTORS ABOUT THIS, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF, UH, EXTENDING THE SALES TAX AND, AND GETTING THAT TO A VOTE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

UM, THERE'S VARYING OPINIONS ON IF WE SHOULD MAKE IT PERMANENT, IF WE SHOULD INCREASE IT.

UM, I THINK THAT THE REASONABLE THING TO DO AND, AND, AND THE OPINION OF THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO WOULD BE TO JUST APPROVE WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN TO COME BACK, UM, WITH A SPECIFIC, UM, TAX DEDICATED TO ROADS OR, OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU GUYS FEEL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

SO THANK YOU.

WELL, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION.

I THINK THAT'S HEALTHY AND FINE.

UM, BUT I DO HEAR SOME THINGS WE ARE AGREEING ON.

I I AM INTERESTED IN THE NOVEMBER 18TH DATE FOR ASKING THE VOTERS OF EDMOND IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN EXTENDING THE SALES TAX THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M INTERESTED IN THAT AND I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO THAT END IF YOU'RE READY.

BUT YOU'VE GOT THE FLOOR, MR. MAYOR, I WILL ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? WELL, I DO WANNA ASK OUR CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU? I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION.

WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK ALAN TO CONFIRM THAT IF NOVEMBER 18TH IS THE DAY WE NEED TO CALL THE ELECTION THE NEXT MEETING.

SEPTEMBER 8TH.

CORRECT.

SO THERE'S A PROPOSED MOTION IN YOUR ACTION NEEDED SECTION.

MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A MOTION, A MOTION DIRECTING CITY STAFF TO PREPARE ALL DOCUMENTATION NECESSARY FOR RENEWING THE CITY OF EDMUND SALES TAX ORDINANCE OF 2011 AND OR THE EXPIRING PORTION OF THE EDMUND SALES TAX OR ORDINANCE AND AN ELECTION TO BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2025.

I HAVE A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A SECOND AND A SECOND.

UM, MAYOR, JUST TO CLARIFY MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THE MINUTES, UM, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE DIRECTING THAT ACTION, UM, THAT TO RENEW THE CURRENT GENERAL FUND AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TAXES AT THEIR CURRENT RATES FOR 10 YEARS AT THE NOVEMBER 18TH ELECTION, UH, WITH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TAX TO BE DEDICATED TO ROADS AND TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S HOW I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, THAT WE, WE STRIP OUT THE OTHER NINE AND JUST FOCUS THAT HALF CENT ON STREETS, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE WITH, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

WE STILL HAVE THE 2000 CIP FUND AS WELL IN ADDITION TO THE 2017.

I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE JUST DEDICATED THIS HALF CENT TO THE STREETS, THEY'D STILL LEAVE YOU THE OTHER TAX FOR OTHER ITEMS STILL IN, IN THE LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN USE FOR, CORRECT.

SO YOU WANNA MODIFY YOUR MOTION A LITTLE BIT.

MR. CLERK, WOULD YOU READ MY MOTION ? UM, I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE, TO MOVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO ADD NECESSARY AGENDA ITEMS TO THE NEXT AGENDA TO CALL ELECTIONS TO RENEW BOTH THE CURRENT GENERAL FUND AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TAXES AT THEIR CURRENT RATES FOR 10 YEARS ON NOVEMBER 18TH OF THIS YEAR, WITH A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TAX DEDICATED TO ROADS

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SLASH TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

SORRY, I, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKE.

I I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.

IS THAT MS. SAWYER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BEYOND THAT? THAT'S FINE.

ALRIGHT.

I HAVE A MOTION.

I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO MENTION HERE.

I THINK THAT COVERS IT.

ITEM 10, A CASE NUMBER Z TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 1 5 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4 0 5 2 4 0 5 2 REZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING DISTRICT TO PUDZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 15 VILLAS AT KICKING BIRD PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 2,700 EAST DANFORTH ROAD.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CAST YOUR VOTE.

I MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.

I WANNA THANK THE COUNCIL FOR THAT CONVERSATION ON THAT ITEM.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THROUGH THIS.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 10, CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, ITEMS LISTED UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE USUALLY DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY, AND WE'LL BE DOING THAT TONIGHT.

UM, EACH ITEM DOES PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY RULES.

I WILL STATE IT RIGHT NOW.

I WILL STATE IT AS WE GO THROUGH THESE TWO ITEMS. IF YOU CHOOSE TO ADDRESS IT UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING PIECE OF THIS AND YOU WANNA MAKE COMMENTS, PLEASE DO NOT REPEAT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID.

UM, I WILL CUT YOU OFF.

I WILL REMIND YOU OF THAT ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS AS WELL.

[A. Case No. Z24-00015; Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ___ Rezoning from “A” Single-Family Dwelling District to “PUD Z24-00015” Villas at Kickingbird Planned Unit Development, Located at 2700 East Danforth Road. (Sun Properties; Ward 2)]

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

THANK YOU KEN.

BRIAN, UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING CITY PLANNER.

UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES IN SIZE.

THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DANFORTH, APPROXIMATELY ONE QUARTER MILE WEST OF COLTRANE.

NEARBY ZONING AND USES INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING TO THE NORTH IS ZONED PUD WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR GROUP LIVING AND A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THIS AREA IS DEVELOPED WITH AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND DETACHED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO THE WEST IS ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PLACE OF WORSHIP AND IS DEVELOPED AS PEACE.

PEACE LUTHERAN CHURCH TO THE SOUTH IS ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY AND IS UNDEVELOPED TO THE EAST.

IS ZONE D THREE OFFICE COMMERCIAL WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PLACE OF WORSHIP AND IS DEVELOPED AS THE WELL CHURCH.

THE PROPOSED PUD DESIGN STATEMENT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DETAILS.

THE ALLOWED USES ARE TOWN HOMES AND SUBDIVISION AMENITIES SUCH AS POOLS, CLUBHOUSES, PARKS, AND A COMMUNITY BUILDING.

THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS IS 49 DWELLING UNITS.

THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, IT'LL BE 35 FEET ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED FROM DANFORTH EDMOND.

PLAN, 2018.

THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHARACTERIZES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS SUBURBAN INFILL.

THIS CATEGORY SUPPORTS A WIDE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, INCLUDING THOSE PROPOSED IN THIS PUD AT THEIR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING ON AUGUST 5TH, 2025.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? UH, DAVID BOX 5 25 NOR POST 11TH.

UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT, UH, CAME TO PLANNING COMMISSION.

THEY DIDN'T GET UP AND SPEAK, BUT THEY ASKED THAT WE PROVIDE THEM THE, UH, PROPOSED ELEVATIONS.

WE DID DO THAT.

SO, UM, WE HOPE WE DO THAT TO THEIR SATISFACTION.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.

COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO, MR. MAYOR? I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 10.

A SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CAST YOUR VOTE.

HI, I AM RECONVENING THE MEETING ITEM 10 B, CASE NUMBER Z 25 DASH 15 PUBLIC HEARING.

FIVE ZERO.

MR. MAYOR, BEFORE WE GET INTO ITEM 10 B, I'D BE RIGHT.

GRATEFUL FOR A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION UP FOR A RECESS? YES, SIR.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO, UH, RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES, PLEASE.

SO YOU'RE OFF ASKING FOR A RECESS UNTIL 6 56.

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[B. Case No. Z25-00015; Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. ___ Rezoning from “D-2” Neighborhood Commercial to “PUD Z25-00015” 4691 W. I-35 Frontage Road Planned Unit Development, Located on the North Side of Memorial Road, on the West Side of I-35 Frontage Road. (Kalidy, LLC; Ward 3)]

CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4 0 5 3 4 0 5 3 REZONING FROM D TWO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO PUDZ 25 DASH 0 0 0 1 5 46 91 WEST I 35 FRONTAGE ROAD.

PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MEMORIAL ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF I 35 FRONTAGE ROAD.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT MR. BRIAN? THANK YOU MAYOR.

UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

KEN BRYAN, UH, CITY OF EDMOND PLANNING SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST IS APPROXIMATELY 1.5 ACRES.

THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MEMORIAL AND THE WEST I 35 FRONTAGE ROAD NEARBY.

ZONING AND USES INCLUDE TO THE NORTH IS ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THE AREA IS UNDEVELOPED AND IS USED BY THE OKLAHOMA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION INTERMITTENTLY FOR STORAGE AND OR STAGING TO THE WEST IS ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY AND IS UNDEVELOPED TO THE EAST.

IS THE I 35 RIGHT OF WAY TO SOUTH ACROSS MEMORIAL IS AN OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED IN THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA CITY.

THE PROPOSED PUD DESIGN STATEMENT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DETAILS.

THE ALLOWED USES INCLUDE A SINGLE MIXED USE STRUCTURE WITH RESIDENTIAL AND GROUND LEVEL RETAIL AND AMENITY SPACES.

THE ALLOWED MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS FIVE STORIES WITH A MAXIMUM OF 125 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED FROM THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND FROM MEMORIAL ROAD.

THE ADMIN PLAN 2018 CATEGORIZES THE SITE AND THE IMMEDIATE AREA AS I 35.

THIS CATEGORY CAN SUPPORT HIGHER INTENSITY DEVELOPMENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE HIGH DESIGN STANDARDS AND INCLUDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYMENT AND RETAIL TRADE AT THEIR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING ON AUGUST 5TH, 2025, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ONE.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? YES.

DAVID BOX 5 25 NORTHWEST 11TH, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WHO'S ALSO HERE WITH US, UH, AS WELL AS THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.

SO BEFORE WE HAD FILED THIS APPLICATION, WE SET OUT TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

AT THE TIME THE APPLICATION WAS A A 10 STORY BUILDING AND IN THAT FIRST INITIAL MEETING BECAME CLEAR THAT THAT HEIGHT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORS IN ANY WAY WOULD WANT.

SO WE THEN SET OUT THE ARCHITECTS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO SEE IF THEY COULD MAKE A PROJECT THAT WOULD WORK, UH, FINANCIALLY AND STILL BE CONSTRUCTED AT SOMETHING LESS THAN 10 STORIES, UM, IN THEIR PROCESS.

AND, AND SARAH WITH GARDNER ARCHITECTS IS GONNA COME UP HERE AFTER ME AND KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT, BUT IN THEIR PROCESS, THEY LOOK TO THINGS LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS, UH, YOUR STAFF HAS TOLD YOU.

THIS IS IN THE I 35 PLAN.

AND WHAT THAT TELLS US IS THAT BUILDINGS IN, IN EXCESS OF FOUR STORIES ARE APPROPRIATE THE CLOSER YOU GET TO I 35.

WELL, OF COURSE HERE YOU CAN'T GET ANY CLOSER IN THAT OUR EASTERN PROPERTY LINE IS SHARED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

SO WE THEN MODIFIED THE PUD, MODIFIED THE DRAWINGS AND MODIFIED THE PROJECT TO A FIVE STORY PROJECT.

UM, THE FIVE STORY PROJECT WILL CONTAIN A MIX OF USES, INCLUDING SOME RETAIL THAT'LL BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

AND WE THINK IT'LL BE A PROJECT THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND, THE RESIDENTS AND ALL WHO TRAVEL ON I 35 WILL BE PROUD OF BECAUSE IT WILL BE, UH, VERY PROMINENT AS YOU'RE ENTERING EDMOND FROM MEMORIAL.

SO AS KEN SAID, THE THE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

ULTIMATELY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, WITH A VOTE OF FOUR TO ONE.

UM, WITH THAT, IF THE MAYOR WOULD ALLOW, I'D LIKE SARAH WITH GARDNER ARCHITECTS TO WALK THROUGH THEIR PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY THE DESIGN THEY HAVE, UH, SHOWN.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, HELLO, I'M SARAH HANNAH.

I'M WITH GARDNER STUDIO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY.

UM, SO AS DAVID MENTIONED, WE'VE SPENT SOME TIME KIND OF REEVALUATING THE PLAN, UM, AFTER THE FIRST ROUND OF FEEDBACK WAS RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO HELP OUR CLIENT DEVELOP A SOLUTION THAT WE FELT WAS A BIT MORE, UM, SUITABLE FOR WHAT WAS REQUESTED, BUT STILL MAINTAIN SOME OF THE GOALS THAT THE, THE CITY HAS OUTLINED FOR FUTURE PLANS.

UM, SO AS DAVID ALSO MENTIONED, WE SPENT SOME TIME EVALUATING THOSE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, THE PLAN FOR 2018, UM, AND THE E ADMIN PLAN AND BOTH ARE HELPING US TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALONG THAT I 35 CORRIDOR, OUR SITE IS

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OUTLINED WITH THE, THE RED CIRCLE AT THE BASE OF THE MAP THERE, UM, THAT DENSITY AND BUILDINGS GREATER THAN FOUR STORIES ARE ENCOURAGED AT THIS LOCATION.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, MULTIFAMILY IS SOMETHING THAT'S DESCRIBED AS AS BEING PREFERRED, UM, IN ADDITION TO OTHER USES, UH, WHETHER THAT BE TOWNHOMES, ENTERTAINMENT OFFICE, UM, A VARIETY OF MORE COMMERCIAL TYPE FUNCTIONS.

UH, SO WE FELT THAT WE WERE IN ALIGNMENT WITH SOME OF THOSE LONG-TERM GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN DEFINED.

UM, AND THE EXPOSURE ALONG I 35 IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT TO THIS SITE.

SO WE ARE TAKING THAT INTO SOME CAREFUL CONSIDERATION AS WE DEVELOP A, A DESIGN, UM, MOVING FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME JUST ASSESSING HEIGHTS OF, OF ADJACENT, UH, DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THE I 35 CORRIDOR, SPECIFICALLY CONSIDERING A NUMBER OF STORIES OF BUILDINGS, HEIGHTS OF STRUCTURES, UM, AND WHAT KIND OF EXAMPLES WE WERE SEEING TO ENSURE THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING, UH, IS PREFERRED FOR THESE LOCATIONS AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH SOME OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING AROUND THERE.

UM, THIS DIAGRAM IS JUST GIVING YOU KIND OF AN INDEX OF SOME, SOME RESEARCH THAT WE DID ON THE SITE WHEN A 10 STORY OPTION WAS STILL BEING CONSIDERED.

UH, WE TOOK A DRONE TO THAT SITE AND, UH, UH, TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST TO SOUTH AND THE WEST AT EACH STORY TO UNDERSTAND, UM, KIND OF WHAT THE VISIBILITY WAS INTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND JUST AROUND, AROUND THE SITE IF, IF A BUILDING THAT TALL WERE TO BE CONSIDERED.

UM, SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T SEE THE SPECIFICS OF THESE IMAGES, BUT WE'VE ENLARGED A FEW THAT ILLUSTRATE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST WHERE, UM, WE'RE JUST CONSIDERING A FIVE STORY OPTION.

UH, THAT WAS MOSTLY BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST ADJACENT KIND OF RESIDENTIAL CONDITION.

WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING ANY CONFLICTS, UH, WITH VISIBILITY INTO THAT AREA, UM, JUST WEST OF OUR LOT.

AND SO THE STRUCTURES THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE, UH, UH, THE TOPS OF THE TREES HERE IN THE IMAGE ARE ACTUALLY THE COMMERCIAL OFFICE PARK THAT'S TO THE WEST OF THIS LOT.

UM, AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE BEYOND THAT.

AND SO AS WE GO UP TO THE FIFTH LEVEL, WHICH WOULD BE THE TOP STORY ALLOWED IN THIS PUD, UM, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED VISIBILITY OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UM, TO THE WEST.

SO THIS ILLUSTRATES JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE PREVIOUS DESIGN THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN AN ORIGINAL PUD APPLICATION AND THEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY, WHICH THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS A 10 STORY WITH A DETACHED PARKING STRUCTURE.

UM, AND THEN THE NEW VERSION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FIVE STORY OPTION WAS SURFACE PARKING ON, UH, THE GROUND FLOOR.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE SURFACE PARKING ON THAT GROUND LEVEL, UH, WE DO HAVE A COMPONENT THAT IS A, IS PLANNED FOR, UH, POSSIBLE RETAIL OR AMENITY SPACE.

UM, NOTHING SPECIFIC OTHER THAN WE KNOW THAT IT'S GENERALLY GONNA BE AROUND 3,200 SQUARE FEET.

UM, BUT THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THAT WILL BE PROGRAMMED AS HASN'T BEEN DEFINED GIVEN THAT WE'RE JUST IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, BUT WE DO INTEND TO CONSIDER ON THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, UM, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES MAY BE REQUIRED FOR A COMMERCIAL USE, SHOULD IT BE ADDED IN COMBINATION WITH, UM, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOVE.

UH, AND ALONG WITH THAT, COMPLYING WITH ANY, UH, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WITH THE SURFACE PARKING SOLUTION THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS A BIG CONSIDERATION AS WE ENTER INTO A MORE DEVELOPED SITE PLANNING PHASE BEYOND THIS INITIAL PUD.

UM, SO THIS IS MEANT TO JUST ILLUSTRATE GENERAL MASSING OF THAT FIVE STORY SOLUTION, A COMPONENT ON THE GROUND FLOOR THAT, UM, IS ANCHORED AT THE CORNER AND THE SURFACE PARKING IS SORT OF TUCKED BEHIND THAT.

UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST HOLDING BACK FROM THE EDGES OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT AND HAVING SITE ENTRY POINTS OFF OF, UM, MEMORIAL AND THE I 35 SERVICE ROAD, UM, ARE ANOTHER KIND OF COMPONENT TO THIS PARTICULAR CORNER SITE.

UM, SO WE HAVE LIMITED AREA TO WORK WITH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BE STRATEGIC IN HOW WE CAN MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS NEEDED BUT STILL, UM, DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT IS USEFUL FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

UM, AND IN ADDITION TO JUST KIND OF ASSESSING, UH, A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF STORIES, WE ALSO DEVELOP SOME PRELIMINARY RENDERINGS TO HELP ILLUSTRATE THE DESIGN INTENT OF THIS PROJECT, KIND OF MOVING FORWARD, THE QUALITY OF MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE USED, UM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS A REALLY SPECIAL SITE TO THE CITY AND ACTS AS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY VISIBLE FOR PEOPLE AS THEY'RE TRAVELING ALONG I 35 OR ENTERING TO AND FROM THE CITY.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL

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PASS IT OVER OR SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS, SARAH, REAL QUICK, I'M GREAT LOOKING ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING, I MEAN, IT REMINDS ME OF THE NOUN OR SOMETHING IN NORMAN, BUT UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ON THE WEST, THE LANDSCAPING.

CAN WE FIT THAT REQUIRED AMOUNT IN THERE? THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION.

UM, SO AS WE ARE ALL KIND OF AWARE, THERE WILL BE SPECIFIC, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO FULFILL IN TERMS OF, UH, LANDSCAPING.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE HOLDING THE BUILDING OFF OF THE REQUIRED BUILDING SETBACK.

WE'LL HAVE TO FURTHER ANALYZE THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND AT THAT POINT PROVIDE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING.

SO WE FEEL THERE'S ENOUGH AVAILABLE TO DO IT.

THE SPECIFICS OF HOW WE MAINTAIN OR HOW WE ACHIEVE THAT ARE STILL TO BE DEFINED.

OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAD ONE, UM, MAYBE FOR ONE OF YOU GUYS.

SO THE AREA AROUND IT IS, IS PRETTY MUCH VACATE IT SEEMS LIKE FROM WHEN I DRIVE BY THERE.

DID YOU LOOK INTO WHETHER THAT LAND WAS AVAILABLE? I MEAN, WAS THAT IT'S ALL ODO CONTROL? HAS ANYBODY LOOKED INTO THAT? SO IT WAS ALL OL CONTROLLED.

I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY IF WE LOOKED INTO WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS SURPLUSED THE LAND AROUND IT.

MR. BOX'S TALKING TO THAT? NO, WE, WE, AT, AT THIS TIME, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF ODOT WAS WILLING TO PAR ANY OF IT.

JUST CURIOUS.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, FRAME.

I WILL SAY IN THE PD, WE DON'T SEEK ANY VARIANCES, SO WE SPECIFICALLY STATE WE'VE GOTTA MEET THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS, SO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT RIGHT NOW.

PUBLIC COMMENT, WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND I REMIND YOU TO PLEASE DO NOT REPEAT WHAT IS SAID BEFORE YOU TO HOLD THIS TO AS SHORT A SESSION AS POSSIBLE.

GO, GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ONE.

LYDIA LEE? UH, I'M A RESIDENT OF WARD THREE AND NO ONE'S SPOKEN BEFORE ME, SO I GUESS I CAN REPEAT ALL I WANT.

UM, FIRST I WANNA SAY THIS IS NOT ABOUT APARTMENTS.

A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE SAID, OH, YOU'RE JUST AGAINST DEPARTMENTS, AND THAT IS THE FURTHEST THING FROM THE TRUTH.

I'VE SPOKEN IN FRONT OF A LOT OF CITY COUNCILS.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING IN FRONT OF ALL OF YOU TOGETHER.

UM, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PUDS.

I CAN TELL YOU I'VE NEVER SEEN A PUD SUBMITTED TO THIS CITY AS VAGUE AND AS INCOMPLETE AS THIS ONE.

TITLE 22 REQUIRES THAT A PUD MAY BE AUTHORIZED PROVIDING THAT ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AND THAT INCLUDES ALL USES CONSTRUCTION AND REQUIREMENTS IN THE PUD COMPLYING WITH TITLE 22 SHALL BE SET FORTH IN THE PUD MASTER PLAN.

AND THAT'S, UH, SECTION B FOUR OF 22.4 0.33.

I'VE HEARD THEM SAY, OH, THE, THOSE ARE SITE PLAN ISSUES.

NO, THESE ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE CONTAINED IN THE PUD DESIGN STATEMENT IN ORDER TO SHOW THAT THEY CAN MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF THE TITLE 22.

NOW, THE I 35 CORRIDOR DISTRICT, UH, IN TITLE 22 PROVIDES THAT DEVELOPERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO DESIGN DEVELOPMENTS THAT HARMONIZE WITH THE EXISTING TERRAIN AND FOREST AREAS RATHER THAN CHANGING THE SITE TO FIT A SPECIFIC DESIGN.

AND THAT ANY PROPOSED PROJECT SHALL RESPECT THE NATURAL WOODED ENVIRONMENT OF THIS IMPORTANT CROSS TIMBERS FOREST AREAS CITY.

UH, THE STAFF REPORT INDICATES THIS IS CROSS TIMBERS LAND, BUT NO INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT OR PRESERVE IT.

IN FACT, UH, GIVEN THEIR, UH, SITE PLAN, THEY CANNOT PRESERVE IT TALKS ABOUT ALL OF THE STANDARDS APPLYING TO ALL DEVELOPMENTS IN THE I 35 CORRIDOR AND THAT THEY SHALL BE COMPLIMENTARY WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT AND IN HARMONY WITH THE WOODED ENVIRONMENT.

NOW, THE ONLY VARIANCE THAT'S REQUESTED IN THIS PUD DESIGN STATEMENT IS FOR DRIVEWAYS.

AND I WANNA, UH, IF, CAN YOU GO BACK TO ONE OF THE, THE DRIVE, THE PICTURES THAT SHOWED THE ENTIRE AREA? YEAH, ONE MORE, ONE MORE.

WHAT THAT ONE

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THAT, THAT ONE ACTUALLY SHOWS IT.

IF YOU SEE THERE IS A DRIVEWAY IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF THIS THAT GOES ONTO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNED BY ODOT.

THERE'S NO MENTION OF THAT DRIVEWAY AND THE, THE LOCATION OF IT AS OPPOSED TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S, UH, ON THEIR PLAT.

THEY TALK ABOUT THE 250 FOOT, BUT THEY DON'T REFER TO THAT DRIVEWAY, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY LESS THAN 250 FEET.

UM, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING STATE VERY CLEARLY THAT OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS MUST BE MET AND THE SPACES PROVIDED FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE SHALL BE CLEARLY DESIGNATED AND SEPARATED FROM SPACES PROVIDED FOR EMPLOYEES, CUSTOMER AND SERVICES.

THERE'S NO INDICATION ON ANY OF THE DESIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AS PART OF THIS MASTER PLAN, UH, TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.

NOW, THE MASTER PLAN PROVIDES THAT THERE CAN BE UP TO 125 UNITS, UH, APARTMENT UNITS IN THIS, PLUS A MAXIMUM OF 32, 3900 SQUARE FEET OF AMENITY OR LEASEABLE SPACE.

SO TAKING THAT 125 UNITS, THAT'S 142 BEDS PROVIDING PROVIDED FOR THOSE 125 UNITS.

AND I'M USING THE 17 TWO BEDROOMS THAT THEY INDICATE AND ONE BEDROOM FOR ALL OF THE REST.

SO THAT'S 142 SPACES.

JUST THAT PLUS ANOTHER 5% AS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE EQUALS 149 SPACES.

THE 3,239 SQUARE FEET REQUIRES ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET FOR RETAIL, ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 100 SQUARE FEET FOR RESTAURANTS.

IF YOU USE THE 200 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S 16 MORE SPACES OR 158 REQUIRED SPACES IF YOU USE THE RESTAURANTS.

THAT'S 32 MORE SPACES OR 174 REQUIRED SPACES.

NOW I COUNTED WHAT THEY'VE GOT UP THERE AND THEY'RE SHOWING 147 SPACES.

BUT I WANNA SHOW YOU SOMETHING.

IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING, THE VERY FAR NORTH END, THERE IS A WALL, THE NORTH END OF THE WALL FOR THE BUILDING, AND THERE'S SEVEN PARKING SPACES UP THERE AT THE TOP THAT ARE BLOCKED BY THAT WALL.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW A CAR'S GONNA GET INTO THAT PARKING SPACE IF THERE'S A WALL OR A PYLON OR A POST OR SOMETHING TO SUPPORT A FIVE STORY BUILDING.

OKAY, YOU LOOK DOWN IN THE MIDDLE, THERE'S ALSO A WALL GOING THROUGH FIVE PARKING SPACES DIRECTLY ACROSS THERE.

NOW, ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S EITHER GONNA BE A WALL THERE OR PYLONS OR POSTS OF SOME KIND TO SUPPORT A FIVE STORY BUILDING.

THERE CAN'T BE FIVE PARKING SPACES THERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE 18 PARKING SPACES ADJACENT TO THE EAST WALL ON THE NORTH END, THERE'S NO WAY ANYONE CAN GET INTO THOSE 18 PARKING SPACES WITH A WALL THERE OR A PYLON OR A POST SUPPORTING A FIVE STORY BUILDING.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE GIVEN THAT TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

IT ALSO SAYS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SETBACKS OF 20 FEET ON THE NORTH END.

WELL, THEY GOT 21 PARKING SPACES ABUTTING THE NORTH BOUNDARY LINE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

TITLE 22 ALSO REQUIRES PARKING AREAS TO BE LANDSCAPED AND SAYS THAT OFF STREET PARKING AND VEHICULAR CIRCULATION IN EXCESS OF 1500 SQUARE FEET OR FIVE SPACES SHALL PROVIDE INTERIOR LANDSCAPE AREAS INCLUDING A PARAMETER BUFFER OF LANDSCAPING, INTERIOR ISLANDS, TERMINAL ISLANDS, AND MEDIAN ISLANDS ALL LANDSCAPED.

ACCORDING

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TO TITLE 22, THERE IS NOT A POSSIBILITY OF THAT HAPPENING GIVEN THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

NO VARIANCE WAS REQUESTED FOR THAT.

THERE ARE NO BICYCLE PARKING FACILITIES AND THERE IS NO ROOM ON THIS AS REQUIRED BY TITLE 22.

THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS SHOWN.

THERE IS NO SCREENING OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND NO INDICATION OF WHERE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, UH, IS GOING TO BE.

IT SAID THAT THE ROOF WILL BE USED AS A PATIO AREA, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET MECHANICAL, UH, EQUIPMENT UP THERE SCREENED IN A, IN A PATIO AREA.

THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OF LIGHTING, NO MINIMIZING LIGHT SPILL OVER ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, NOT SHOWN TO BE DIRECTED AWAY FROM THOSE AREAS.

NO SHIELDS PROVIDED, NO SHADES, NO LOCATION OF WALL PACKS, ET CETERA.

NOTHING IS MENTIONED ABOUT LIGHTING TRASH PICKUP.

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE TRASH BIN SHOWN ON THAT.

THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES VERY CLEARLY THAT TRASH, UH, DUMPSTERS REQUIRE AN UNOBSTRUCTED APPROACH PATH WITH A TURNAROUND AND SITE PROOF FENCING AND SCREENING.

NONE OF THAT IS PROVIDED FOR HERE AND THERE'S NO ROOM FOR IT.

AGAIN, CAN'T MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

NOW, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IS, AS YOU SEE, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THIS PROPERTY, GOES UNDER THE BUILDING ON BOTH MEMORIAL AND THE ACCESS ROAD.

TITLE 16.0 4.525 REQUIRES THAT DRIVEWAYS AND BUILDINGS SHALL BE LOCATED TO NOT OBSTRUCT ACCESS TO THE BUILDINGS BY FIRE APPARATUS.

TITLE 17 REQUIRES THAT ALL BUILDINGS BE ACCESSIBLE TO FIRE EQUIPMENT AND THE ACCESS MUST BE, AND IT SAYS MUST BE AT LEAST 10 FEET FROM THE BUILDING AND VERTICAL CLEARANCE MUST BE AT LEAST 14 FEET.

NOW, THERE'S NO INDICATION ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE THAT THEY ARE MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT OR THAT THEY CAN MEET.

THE REQUIREMENT OF 14 FOOT ACCESS AND 10 FEET FROM THE BUILDING STAFF MAKES A COMMENT THAT THIS PROJECT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE EDMOND PLAN 2018 SPECIFICALLY THAT IT'S GREATER THAN FOUR STORIES.

THE EDMUND PLAN 2018 IS A POLICY AND IT DOES NOT OVERRIDE OR TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER THE ORDINANCES THAT GOVERN THIS CITY.

NOW, THE 2018 PLAN, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THE I 35 CORRIDOR IS IMPORTANT AS BOTH AN EMPLOYMENT AND RETAIL DESTINATION.

AND DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA SHOULD BE HELD TO HIGH PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT AND TAXABLE SALES.

THE ABILITY TO DEMONSTRATE SUSTAINABLE VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY IS A PRIORITY.

THE PUD ZONING FALLS INTO THE YELLOW CATEGORY UNDER THE I 35 CORRIDOR, AND IT SPECIFICALLY STATES YELLOW REQUIRES INTENSE REVIEW AND MUST CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE PUBLIC BENEFIT AND APPLICABLE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA.

IT ALSO SAYS THAT ONE OF THE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA FOR THIS AREA IS 15 JOBS PER ACRE, TAXABLE SALES OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT, LOT SIZE AND A THOUSAND GALLONS WASTEWATER PER ACRE.

NOW ALL OF THESE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT I'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT ARE REQUIREMENTS AND THEY ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET GIVEN WHAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED.

NOW, THEY'RE PRETTY PRETTY DRAWINGS OF THE BUILDING.

THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PUD DESIGN STATEMENT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHAT GOVERNS THIS ZONING.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT MULTIFAMILY.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT APARTMENTS.

THIS IS ABOUT A PIE IN THE SKY PROPOSAL THAT CANNOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, THAT HAS SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH FIRE SAFETY.

A GARBAGE TRUCK CAN'T GET UNDER THERE, A FIRE TRUCK CAN'T GET UNDER THERE AND THEY CANNOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.

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THAT'S, THAT'S UNLIVABLE.

HELLO.

UH, MY NAME'S CHARLES MOLES.

UH, MY FRIENDS CALL ME CHIP.

I LIVE IN CHIMNEY HILL AND I'M HERE TO, TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND FOR THE SERVICE YOU'RE GIVING THE CITY.

IF ANYBODY HERE KNOWS HOW MUCH THE CITY COUNCIL'S PAID, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT IN IT FOR THE MONEY.

AND I WANT TO THANK PHIL AND UH, MAGGIE FOR RESPONDING TO MY EMAILS.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE CITY'S GOVERNED, WE HAVE, UH, TACTICAL WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL THE STAFF, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL IS STRATEGIC.

YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT BIG PICTURE THINGS.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD.

5, 10, 15, 20 YEARS.

I 35 IS THE MOST CRITICAL AREA OF TOWN WE HAVE FOR OUR ECONOMIC ENGINE.

IT'S THE ATM OF OF EDMOND.

IT'S THE CASH COW OF EDMOND.

IT'S OUR GOLD MINE.

IT'S SEVEN MILES.

IT RUNS FROM MEMORIAL OUT TO TO, UH, WATERLOO.

THAT'S 14 MILES OF FRONTAGE ON THAT FRONTAGE ROAD.

WE NEED TO BE BUILDING BUSINESSES THAT GENERATE SALES TAX, GENERATE GOOD JOBS, AND ADD VALOREM TAXES.

THIS IS NOT GONNA GENERATE SALES TAX.

THIS IS NOT GONNA CREATE JOBS.

THE OTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC THAT YOU GUYS HAD SOME VERY DETAILED DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT ABOUT THE TAXES, ABOUT THE SALES TAX AND WHETHER TO RENEW IT, WHETHER TO INCREASE IT.

THE REASON GEO BONDS WENT DOWN, ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WENT DOWN SO MASSIVELY WAS BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE YOU HAD LOST THE TRUST OF THE CITIZENS, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE VALUABLE REAL ESTATE HERE ON THE I 35 FRONTAGE AND THROW IT AWAY ON HOUSING THAT DOESN'T GENERATE JOBS, DOESN'T GENERATE SALES TAX, AND THEN TURN AROUND AND ASK US TO RENEW TAXES OR TO RAISE TAXES, YOUR CREDIBILITY IS IN THE, IS IN THE DUMPER.

THE REASON WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS LYDIA POINTED OUT A BUNCH OF SHORTFALLS OF THIS PROJECT, BUT THE REAL REASON WE'RE HERE IS, IS WE HAVE SOMETHING WRONG IN OUR CITY PROCESSES.

MAYOR, YOU'RE WORKING ON THE FINANCIAL PROCESSES, BUT WE NEED TO DO, DIG INTO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND OUR, AND OUR STAFF AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WENT WRONG THAT THIS GOT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN PLA PLA PAST THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THIS STATE.

AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR PROCESSES ARE WRONG, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR RULES ARE WRONG, BUT SOMEHOW IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, THIS, THIS IS LIKE AN UNFINISHED HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT THAT GOT TURNED IN AND IT SHOULDN'T BE HERE.

TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT, I DID CALCULATIONS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

I USED THE DRAWING THAT SAID THERE WAS GONNA BE 111 APARTMENTS OR 128 BEDROOMS. WHEN YOU DO THAT AT THAT DENSITY, THAT WORKS OUT TO BE 46 TIMES THE DENSITY OF EDMOND 40 TIMES THE DENSITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO THE WEST.

IT'S NEARLY TWICE THE DENSITY OF NEW YORK CITY.

IT'S NEARLY 3.3 TIMES THE DENSITY OF TOKYO PREFECTURE.

IF YOU TOOK EDMOND, ALL OF EDMOND, WHICH IS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE, MY ESTIMATE IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND 339.

UM, AND YOU CRAMMED ALL OF US INTO TWO SQUARE MILES.

THAT'S WHAT THIS DENSITY WOULD BE.

THIS DENSITY WOULD BE ALL OF EDMOND PUSHED INTO TWO SQUARE MILES AND YOU'D HAVE 104 ACRES LEFT OVER.

THE OTHER THING YOU GOTTA LOOK AT IS THIS IS RIGHT ON THE NOST ROAD WE HAVE IN EDMOND.

IT WOULD BE MISERABLE TO LIVE THERE.

WE DID COMPARE THIS OR THE THE APPLICANT COMPARED TO THE SOME MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS THAT THAT HOUSE PEOPLE.

BUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE IS TEMPORARY HOUSING.

THOSE ARE HOTELS AND NONE OF THOSE IS CLOSE TO THIS HIGHWAY AS THIS IS.

THIS IS GONNA BE A MISERABLE PLACE TO LIVE.

THE OTHER THING YOU GOTTA LOOK AT IS FROM A LOGISTICS POINT OF VIEW, PEOPLE, IF THESE ARE APARTMENTS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE MOVING IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE U-HAUL RIDERS, TRUCKS, TWO MEN WITH A TRUCK, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK? ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO GET UNDER THAT BREEZEWAY AND PARK IN THAT PARKING LOT? WHERE ARE THEY GONNA LOAD? WHERE ARE THEY GONNA UNLOAD? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AMAZON, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE UPS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FEDEX AND THE POST OFFICE ALL COMING TO THIS BUILDING TO DELIVER MAIL.

SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO WASTE A VALUABLE RESOURCE.

I I THINK WE HAVE BETTER USE FOR OUR FRONTAGE AND ANYTHING OTHER THAN HOUSING IS A BETTER USE.

ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA CREATE SALES TAX OR JOBS IS WHAT WE WANNA PUT ON THE INTERSTATE.

I WON'T, I WON'T TAKE OFF ALL YOUR TIME, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WHEN YOU'RE GONNA DO TAXES, YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE

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MACHIAVELLIAN.

UM, I AGREE WITH, WITH UH, BARRY MOORE THAT WE JUST RENEW WHAT WE HAVE, BUT WHEN YOU COME BACK YOU BETTER HAVE A NEW NAME FOR THAT NEW TAX.

OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA BE FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST GETTING NICKEL AND DIMED CONSTANTLY.

SO MAKE SURE IF YOU COME BACK WITH ANOTHER TAX LATER, MAYOR THAT IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE MAPS.

SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO VOTE FIVE.

NO, THIS PROJECT IS, IS UNFINISHED HOMEWORK THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN TO THIS COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE WRONG PROJECT IN THE WRONG PLACE AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS BRANDON PRATT, 36 17 STEVEN COURT, WHICH IS WEST OF THIS PROPERTY.

UM, THEY'VE SPOKEN SEVERAL TIMES, SO I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT MYSELF.

BUT THE ONE THING THAT I DID WANNA BRING UP, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS COUNCILMAN MOORE MAY REMEMBER WHEN THE APARTMENTS THEY WERE TRYING TO BUILD JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY.

THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT GROUNDWATER AND CONCERNS ABOUT CONTAMINATION FROM ODOT AND THE ASSAULTS AND THE DIFFERENT CHEMICALS THEY HAD IN THAT AREA.

A GROUND STUDY WAS DONE AROUND THAT TIME AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY ACTUAL RESULTS OR ANYTHING THAT HAD COME UP FROM THAT AREA, BUT I, MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE, WE'RE GETTING CERTIFIED MAIL FROM TERRACON ASKING WHAT KIND OF WELLS AND STUFF WE HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY.

'CAUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONTAMINATION IN THE AREA.

UM, SO THAT'D BE SOMETHING I'D WANT THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND SEEING IF A STUDY NEEDED TO BE DONE IN THAT AREA BEFORE WE MOVE MORE RESIDENTS INTO THAT AREA.

SO THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? MR. BOX, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THIS? OH, WAIT, I THINK WE'VE GOT ONE MORE.

I, HI, I'M PAULA BURKES, 45 0 1 KAREN DRIVE, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, WOULD YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS PUD IF YOU KNEW MS. BURKES, I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, SO PLEASE TALK INTO THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE THING.

I'VE MOVED OVER.

WOULD YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS PUD IF YOU KNEW AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE OPPOSED TO IT OR OPPOSED TO IT? IN NOVEMBER, 2022, NEARLY 26,000 EDMOND RESIDENTS 25,987, TO BE EXACT, VOTED NO ON A SIMILAR ZONING CHANGE JUST SLIGHTLY NORTH OF THIS VERY INTERSECTION THAT WAS 69.4% OF THE 37,445 VOTERS WHO TURNED IN A SPECIAL BALLOT OR PINK SHEET.

THEY MADE THEIR VOICES CLEAR.

THEY DO NOT WANT HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS IN THIS AREA.

INSTEAD, THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED KEEPING THE ZONING RETAIL FOCUSED TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES THAT CREATE JOBS AND GENERATE CRITICAL SALES TAX REVENUE FOR OUR CITY.

THAT VOTE REFLECTED NOT JUST A MOMENT IN TIME, BUT A CONSISTENT COMMUNITY VISION FOR THIS PROPERTY.

THE GATEWAY TO EDMOND, I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO HONOR THAT VOTE AND THE WILL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS BY VOTING NO ON THIS PUD.

ANYONE ELSE? SORRY, MR. BOX, THEY, THEY'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN STOP POPPING UP AGAIN.

I'LL BE VERY BRIEF.

UM, MY NAME IS LORI SCOTT, 45 0 5 KAREN DRIVE.

AND I JUST WANNA FLESH OUT A CONCERN BEYOND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID SO FAR.

WHAT WE HAVE HEARD IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY HIGH-END APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IT'S GOING TO BE FOR HIGH-END PROFESSIONALS THAT WOULD EXPECT TO PAY A PREMIUM PRICE ON AN APARTMENT.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I LOOK AT THE TINY 1.4 TO 1.5 ACRE PIECE OF LAND.

I LOOK AT THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING PUT ON IT, AND IN ADDITION TO THE APPEARANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE WHO ARE ALREADY GOING TO BE FIGHTING NOISE AND LIGHT FROM THE HIGHWAY ARE GOING TO HAVE ANY AMENITIES OUTSIDE THAT ARE EXPECTED ON THESE KIND OF APARTMENTS.

UM, I THINK THAT PEOPLE THAT MOVE INTO THESE TYPE OF APARTMENTS, LIKE MY ADULT CHILDREN, EXPECT TO HAVE SWIMMING POOLS, DOG PARKS, WALKING TRAILS.

THEY EXPECT TO HAVE OUTDOOR COOKING AREAS, PLACES THAT THEY CAN HANG OUT WITH

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THEIR FRIENDS.

AND IN ADDITION TO THE FACT, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT CAN TAKE PLACE AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING, THERE'S NOT EVEN PARKING SO THAT FRIENDS COULD VISIT PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE? MR. BOX, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THIS? SURE.

SO MAYBE I'LL START WITH THE, THE LAST SPEAKER IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE TYPES OF UNITS EXPECT.

I, I LIVED IN A PROJECT NOT TERRIBLY DISSIMILAR.

UM, IT WAS DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA CITY, BUT IT WAS, UH, THE OLD MONTGOMERY WAR BUILDING.

UM, DICK TANENBAUM HAD REDEVELOPED THAT INTO, UH, WHAT HE CALLED THE MONTGOMERY.

AND ALL OF THE AMENITY SPACE WAS ON, UH, THE ROOF.

I LIVED THERE BOTH AS A LAW STUDENT AND THEN YEARS LATER, MY WIFE AND KIDS AND I LIVED THERE WHEN WE WERE RENOVATING A HOUSE.

AND SO, UM, THE WAY YOU DO IT IN PARCELS THAT ARE SMALL, THAT DON'T HAVE, YOU MENTIONED WALKING TRAILS.

THIS IS A ONE AND A HALF ACRE SITE.

SO THE WAY THAT YOU DO IT IS YOU HIRE COMPETENT ARCHITECTS THAT CAN DESIGN AMENITY SPACES.

WE ARE NOT TO THAT SPACE YET WHERE WE ARE DEVELOPING THE, THE FINAL PROGRAMMING OF THE BUILDING.

BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THE ROOFTOP OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT.

NOW WHERE IT'S LOCATED IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WHERE WE COMMUNICATED, WE'RE FINE IF WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUSH IT TO THE EAST, MAKE SURE WE WE SCREEN IT FROM ANY, ANY FOLKS THAT ARE TO THE WEST.

MS. LEE TALKED, UH, A LOT ABOUT PARKING.

WHAT WE DON'T SEEK IS ANY SORT OF VARIANCE TO PARKING.

WE WILL HAVE TO SHOW YOU AT THE SPECIFIC PLAN STAGE OR THE SITE PLAN STAGE HOW WE MEET ALL THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING FOR SURE.

THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD GET A BUILDING PERMIT WITHOUT SATISFYING FIRE.

SO FIRE WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE, UH, A HEAVY HAND IN LOOKING AT THIS TO TELL US WHERE WE HAVE TO PLACE THINGS, HOW THEY WANT THEIR ACCESS.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT SATISFYING FIRE.

SAME THING GOES FOR LANDSCAPING.

MY GUESS IS IF WE CAME BEFORE YOU SEEKING VARIANCES TO LANDSCAPING, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE A HIGH LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS FOR THAT PROJECT.

WE ARE COMMITTED TO MEETING ALL OF THE ORDINANCES.

WE JUST AREN'T TO THE PLACE WHERE WE CAN TURN THE ARCHITECTS LOOSE TO SPEND THE MONEY NECESSARY TO SHOW YOU THE FINAL DRAWINGS, TO SHOW YOU THE FINAL PARKING COUNT AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

THERE HAS TO BE SOME LEVEL OF ENTITLEMENTS THAT A DEVELOPER HAS BEFORE HE CAN RELEASE THE ARCHITECTS TO GO SPEND THAT MONEY.

SO WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO IS BUILDING A QUALITY PROJECT ALONG I 35 THAT IS COMPLIANT WITH YOUR I 35 PLAN.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I'VE JUST BEEN TAKING NOTES IF YOU CAN COME BACK UP.

SORRY.

SO PROBABLY THE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE AND TRASH ACCESS, I MEAN, I THINK THE THING TO ME, I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND IS LIKE JUST CONCEPTUALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND WE KNOW WHERE THE GARAGE WAS GONNA START, I GUESS HAVE YOU THOUGHT THROUGH THAT, SARAH? MAYBE I SHOULD ANSWER HER .

NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION OF HOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN, UH, WITH THE GARAGE SO CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

YEAH, SO, UH, LIKE DAVID MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO ALL OF THE SPECIFICS, BUT THIS IS A BIG PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE DEVELOP, UM, THE DESIGN OF A PROJECT.

AND A LOT OF THAT, UM, GETS DISCUSSED WITH OUR ENGINEERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT.

SO WHAT'S THEIR ENGAGE? IT'LL BE THE FIRST THING THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSS.

UM, WE ARE LIMITED IN TERMS OF ACCESS AT THIS INTERSECTION, AND SO IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME CREATIVITY.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MORE DIRECTLY, WE HAVEN'T RESOLVED THAT QUITE YET.

UM, BUT KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL HAVE TO IN LIKE A SIMILAR PROJECT.

HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT WITHOUT THAT ACCESS? ARE THERE HONEST QUESTION? LIKE ARE THERE WORKAROUNDS? IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO POTENTIALLY, UM, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WE'VE HAD, UM, A BIT MORE URBAN CONFIGURATIONS WHERE WE HAVE LIMITED SITE AREA AVAILABLE AND THERE ARE WAYS TO ACHIEVE THAT ALONG THE STREET.

AND SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER IN THIS SCENARIO.

UM, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ALONG MEMORIAL ROAD IN THIS CONDITION.

I WOULD ASSUME THAT I 35 IS NOT AS BIG OF AN OPTION FOR THAT.

SO, UM OKAY.

SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR SURE.

HAVE TO DO WITH JUST, IS IT REALLY VIABLE THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN AND MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS? SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT, PARTICULARLY GARBAGE AND FIRE ACCESS? I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE ON THAT.

I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS FOR KEN IF, BUT Y'ALL GO AHEAD IF YOU HAVE OTHERS FOR RIGHT AHEAD.

KEEP GOING.

ALL RIGHT.

KEN, CAN I ASK YOU A FEW? OKAY.

WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT QUESTION WITH, I MEAN, THIS WENT THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS FOUR TO ONE WITH A CON.

I I GET WE'RE IN A ZONING PHASE, WE'RE NOT IN A SITE PLANNING PHASE, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'M HEARING THAT I SAW IN EMAILS FROM FOLKS

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UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, YOU, I THINK YOU HAD ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OPTIONS AND WORKAROUNDS? UM, MY BRIEF EXPERIENCE IN THIS POSITION, CITY OF EDMOND'S, NOT BIG ON WORKAROUNDS WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE CODE OR SOLID WASTE SERVICE.

SO, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK HARD WITH APPLICANTS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MEET OUR STANDARDS, BUT THAT'S SORT OF OUR POSITION.

UM, WHEN IT COMES YOU, UM, YOU ASK IF IT'S, IF IT'S VIABLE TO DO, DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY STAFF'S CALL TO SAY IF IT'S VIABLE OR NOT.

I MEAN, WE, WE WILL, WE'LL BE AS SUPPORTIVE AND WE'LL HELP PEOPLE ALONG AS WE CAN.

BUT, UM, MR. BRYANT, PICK THAT MICROPHONE, SPEAKING TO THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT LOUDER.

OH, I'M SORRY SIR.

UH, YEAH, SO STAFF, STAFF WILL WORK WITH APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND TRY TO MAKE THEIR HELP, MAKE THEIR PROJECT VIABLE, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T TEND TO EVALUATE IT IN THAT FRAME OF MIND AT THE ZONING STAGE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YEAH, IT, THERE IT WILL BE A CHALLENGE TO MEET SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS REGARDING LANDSCAPING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT, AND THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE COMMITTED TO MEET THE STANDARD AND NOT TRY TO CUSTOMIZE THE STANDARD FOR THEIR PUD.

SO I COMMEND THEM ON THAT.

UM, BUT IT, IT WILL BE A LOT OF WORK, I GUESS PRE PRESTON.

COULD I THROW SOMETHING IN ON THAT LAST QUESTION YOU HAD? YEAH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

BECAUSE, UM, I WAS FACED WITH THIS EXACT, THAT'S NOT THIS EXACT SCENARIO, BUT SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR WHAT I WAS AT PELCO WHERE WE WANTED TO PUT A, AN AWNING OVER OUR BACK PAD AND THE FIRE MARSHAL STATED THAT WE HAD TO PAVE A ROAD ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY, NOT UNDER THE AWNING MM-HMM .

FOR ACCESS, WHICH MAKES ME WONDER IF THAT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE FOR, FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, ARE THEY GONNA SAY, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A DRIVE SO THAT YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS MM-HMM .

UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE CONCERNS OF IF THE BUILDING'S ON FIRE, DO YOU REALLY WANNA DRIVE A FIRETRUCK UNDER A BUILDING THAT'S ON FIRE? GO AHEAD.

IF IF, AND IF THAT COMES TO BE, THEN PERHAPS WE HAVE TO MODIFY THE BUILDING AND PULL IT BACK FROM THAT WEST LINE.

I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WHATEVER FIRE SAYS WE HAVE TO DO IS WHAT WE WILL DO.

WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO TO MEET THE STANDARDS IS WHAT WE WILL DO.

AND YOU'LL GET TO SEE IT AGAIN AS WE GO THROUGH A SITE PLAN.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S EARLY.

I GET THAT.

I MEAN I, UM, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A CONCEPT THAT GOES WITH A PUD, THERE'S A DESIGN STATEMENT THAT GOES WITH A PUD AND SO I'M JUST, WE'RE SORT OF IMPLICITLY STATING WHETHER WE STATE IT DIRECTLY OR NOT BY APPROVING THIS, THAT, UM, WE AGREE THAT THIS, WE THINK THAT THIS CAN WORK FOR THIS SITE RIGHT.

WITH WHAT WE KNOW TODAY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA THE REASON FOR MY QUESTIONS IS LIKE IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TO FIT 8,000 CARS ON THIS SITE, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T WORK RIGHT? JUST TO BE EXTREME.

SO LIKE THERE'S, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE, LIKE IT'S, MY QUESTIONS ARE JUST TO SEE IF IT'S REASONABLE.

UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A VALID QUESTION.

THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF SPACE RIGHT.

TO PLAY WITH.

SO, UM, THAT'S THE SOURCE OF THAT QUESTION.

SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S, KEN, A COUPLE MORE FOR YOU, Y'ALL MIND IF I KEEP GOING? NO, KEEP GOING.

IT'S MY WARD, SO I WANT TO BE REAL CAREFUL ON THIS ONE.

UM, I'VE HEARD A, A COUPLE, SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THE VAGUENESS OF THE PUD.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH PUD, SO I'M, I'M JUST, I GUESS YOU DO TOO, BARRY, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THIS ONE COMPARE? DOES IT HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO MS LEE'S QUESTION, DOES IT HAVE ALL THE COMPONENTS THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE TO BE COMPLIANT COMPLETE? YEAH, OF COURSE.

WE, WE WOULD WORK HARD NOT TO BRING SOMETHING TO YOU THAT WAS VAGUE OR MISSING IMPORTANT COMPONENTS.

BOTH THE, IN THE I 35 OVERLAY DISTRICT.

SO, UM, NOW IN TERMS OF, UM, I MEAN IT IS SHORT, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST STATED FOR THESE TOPICS THAT THEY'LL MEET, MEET OUR STANDARDS.

SO YOU'LL, YOU OCCASIONALLY WOULD SEE A PUD THAT MAY HAVE, UM, MORE STANDARDS OR REQUIREMENTS WRITTEN IN A PARTICULAR SECTION, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY REACTING TO, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS THAT ARE IN TITLE 22 OR 21 THAT THEY'RE HAVING CONCERNS ABOUT.

BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMMITTING TO MEETING OUR STANDARDS IN THE

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WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? THEY'RE COMMITTED TO, SO THEY WERE, INSTEAD OF SAYING, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE, UH, THE PUD STATES THAT THEY'LL MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UM, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO GO GET THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS FROM, YOU KNOW, CHAPTER SIX OF TITLE 22 AND CUSTOMIZE THOSE FOR THEIR PURPOSES, THAT, UH, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO USE THE STANDARDS WE HAVE IN PLACE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OUR PREFERENCE.

IT'S, IT'S MUCH SIMPLER TO ADMINISTER, TO REVIEW, TO INSPECT WHEN IT'S BUILT, IF THEY'RE JUST FOLLOWING THE STANDARDS THAT EVERYONE ELSE FOLLOWS.

IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT WITH A PUD, THEY CAN'T COME AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO THOSE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS LATER ON, THEY HAVE TO THEN AMEND THAT PUD AGAIN, WHICH BRINGS THEM RIGHT BACK TO THIS PROCESS.

SO THINGS LIKE, UM, SIDEWALKS SCREENING, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, LIGHTING, THOSE WOULD NOT NORMALLY BE THINGS THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIED, UM, IN A PD.

AND, AND THEY ARE SPECIFIED AND THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOW YOUR RULES AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.

I SAW SOME OF THOSE MENTIONED, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.

UH, I ASSUME ON THE COMMENT ABOUT LANDSCAPE PARKING AREAS THERE, THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT RULE FOR GARAGES.

I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE LANDSCAPE PARKING RIGHT OVER HERE, SO, UM, INSIDE THE, I MEAN IN TERMS OF LIKE TERMINAL ISLANDS YEAH.

AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THOSE, YEAH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY FOR SURFACE FIRST SURFACE PARKING LOT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW THAT IT'S FIVE STORES.

CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION? UM, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE IT ON THE LEFT SIDE HERE, BUT THAT IS O OUT LAND.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING HAPPENING THERE, BUT IN TERMS OF THOSE, THE SEPARATION OF THOSE TWO KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM LEFT, IS THAT COMPLIANT WITH OUR RULES? I, I MIGHT DEFER TO ENGINEERING ON THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY.

IS THAT STEVE? OKAY.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, STEVE LAWRENCE, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.

UM, AS FAR AS THE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION TO THE WEST , YOU GOTTA PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH WHILE YOU'RE TALKING .

UH, AS FAR AS ODO T'S DRIVEWAY, UH, TO THE WEST AND THE SEPARATION RE REQUIREMENT, UM, WE, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DRIVEWAYS ON A, YOU KNOW, A PARCEL THAT THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE, UH, UH, THE AREAS THAT THEY CAN PUT DRIVEWAY.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS FROM THE ENGINEERING POINT OF VIEW MM-HMM .

WHERE THEY HAVE THIS DRIVEWAY SHOWN ON THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, UM, WOULD BE THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IT, THE FURTHEST FROM THE INTERSECTION.

WOULD THAT BE A SEPARATE VARIANCE THOUGH TO THAT DRIVEWAY ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, I'D HAVE TO TALK WITH MY CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT.

UM, I MEAN, THERE'S MEMORIAL, THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT DRIVEWAYS, NO MATTER WHAT'S ON THE SITE.

SO THAT MEMORIAL ROAD'S PLACE TECHNICALLY IN OKLAHOMA CITY IN THIS LOCATION.

SO THE CITY OF EDMOND CITY LIMITS ARE ON THE NORTHERN RIGHT OF WAY LINE.

SO THAT COMPLICATES THINGS A LITTLE BIT.

I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH OKLAHOMA CITY AS WELL, BUT THERE'S ALSO A DRIVE CLOSE TO THIS DRIVEWAY ON THE ACCESS ROAD, CORRECT? CORRECT.

JUST TO THE NORTH OF THAT DRIVE.

THAT CORRECT? THERE'S ANOTHER DRIVE THAT IS CORRECT.

YEP.

YEAH, IT'S, YEAH.

SO IT, IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT DRIVEWAY IS USED OR NOT IS, IS AN, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SUBJECT.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A OLD INDUSTRIAL AREA.

USED TO BE THE MAINTENANCE YARD SIGN SHOP.

IT'S NOT IN USE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S THERE.

I HAVE A COUPLE MORE FOR KEN.

CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE YELLOW CATEGORY AND THE MASTER PLAN COMMENT? UH, YEAH.

SO, UM, ALL PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN KIND OF THAT YELLOW, WHICH IS SUGGEST THAT THEY RE UM, YOU KNOW, GET ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY, WHICH THIS PROCESS IS, UH, REPRESENTS CRU SCRUTINY.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SO YEAH, BEYOND THAT, UM, THAT'S JUST THE EXPECTED APPROACH AT THIS POINT, AND WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TO PUDS.

SO THAT'S, ANY PUD WOULD BE YELLOW NO MATTER WHAT IT IS? YES.

AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE, SO TELL ME IF YOU DON'T, BUT THE ISSUE OF THE CONTAMINATION OF THE ODOT LAND HAS COME UP FROM SEVERAL FOLKS.

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UM, I DON'T, TO BE HONEST, I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAS A BEARING ON THIS PROJECT, BUT CAN YOU COMMENT ON LIKE, DO, DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AND IS THAT A PERTINENT ISSUE TO THIS OR NOT? I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION THERE.

IS ANYBODY OKAY.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE VERY MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT.

WE KNOW WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH THE REMEDIATION PROCESS, WE WERE CONTACTED BY THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERS TO TALK ABOUT TYING INTO OUR SANITARY SEWER, UM, FOR THE REMEDIATION, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY REPORT TO US OR THAT WE'RE A PARTY OF.

WILL, UH, STEVE, WILL PHASE ONE OR ANYTHING BE REQUIRED IN THIS ENVIRONMENTAL DAVID? YEAH, THROUGH THE LENDING PROCESS, IT'LL BE REQUIRED.

I WOULD THOUGHT THERE'D HAVE TO BE ONE.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, THEY, SORRY.

YOU GOT A QUESTION? YEAH, NO WORRIES.

UH, IN ORDER TO GET THE, THE FINANCING NECESSARY TO, TO BUILD THE PROJECT, THE LENDING INSTITUTION WILL REQUIRE A PHASE ONE OKAY.

SOIL, SOIL TEST.

IS THAT WHAT THE, OKAY.

UH, I THINK THOSE ARE MY ONLY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

I'LL LET YOU GUYS TALK.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK ONE FOR KEN.

UH, THERE WAS SOME TALK, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER QUESTIONS WHETHER STAFF LOOKED AT FELL SHORT OF WHATEVER, HOWEVER, IT WAS SAID TITLED 22.4 0.33.

DID YOU REVIEW THAT, UM, WITH THIS PROJECT? YEAH, SO THE, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE LISTED ARE, UM, WILL BE PART OF THE, WE'RE LISTED FROM SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PUD, WE, WE THINK THE, WE THINK THE PUD DOCUMENT THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU MEETS THE STANDARDS FOR A PUD.

SO THOSE DESIGN DETAILS WILL THEN SHOW UP LATER AS PART OF THE PLATING AND THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO.

I MEAN, WE CAN'T, CAN'T DEFINITIVELY ANSWER A WHOLE LOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

A LOT TO BE DETERMINED.

UM, SO READING THROUGH THE PD, UM, THE USES, I'LL JUST READ 'EM.

HOUSEHOLD LIVING EXCEPT FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES, MULTIFAMILY, ZERO LOT LINE DWELLING GROUP, LIVING, LIBRARY, PARK OFFICE, RETAIL, SALES AND SERVICE.

SO THAT'S QUITE A FEW, QUITE A FEW USES DOWN AT, UNDER SPECIAL CONDITIONS.

THE, UM, THE EXTERIOR BUILD, EXTERIOR BUILDING WALL, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF OARS HERE.

SO MAYBE IT'S A, A GENERIC STATEMENT.

UM, IT SAYS 70% BRICK VENEER, MASONRY, ROCK, STONE, STUCCO, OR WOOD, OR OTHER SIMILAR TYPE FINISH.

UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER GETTING A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT? BECAUSE THAT IS VERY BROAD.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET MORE SPECIFIC, BUT IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC, UH, MATERIAL FINISHES THAT ARE OF CONCERN, WE CAN CERTAINLY STRIKE THOSE.

I MEAN, THE, THE INTENT HERE IS TO HAVE A, A QUALITY PROJECT UNTIL YOU ARE IN A POSITION OF READY TO BUILD.

YOU DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL FINISH.

BUT IF THERE ARE MATERIALS LISTED THAT ARE OF CONCERN, UH, I'M SURE WE'RE WILLING TO STRIKE THOSE AS PART OF A MOTION.

PLAN CATEGORY WITH THE INCREASED HOUSING DENSITY IN THE, OF THE PROJECT ALONG THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OF THE SITE.

UM, PERHAPS, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ARE WE READY FOR COMMENTS, MR. MAYOR? IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DRIVE BY THIS PLACE ABOUT ONCE A WEEK AND, UH, IT'S 1.5 ACRES AND AMERICAN FOOTBALL FIELDS, IF YOU COUNT THE END ZONES AS 1.3 ACRES.

SO WE'RE GONNA PUT A FIVE STORY BUILDING ON A FOOTBALL FIELD.

A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT.

THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

AND THEN THE EDMOND 2018 DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY AS THE I 35

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THE PUD ZONING MEETS THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I 35 PLAN CATEGORY DESCRIBES HIGH INTENSITY ACTIVITY, INCLUDING EMPLOYMENT AND RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES, INCLUDING EMPLOYMENT AND RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES.

I ASKED THREE TIMES IN A MEETING WITH MR. BOX'S FIRM AND THE ARCHITECT, THE, THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR RETAIL.

I ASKED THREE TIMES, AND EACH TIME I WAS TOLD, WELL, THERE'LL BE A OPPORTUNITY FOR A LEASING OFFICE, SOMETHING ELSE, AN AMENITY OF SOME SORT.

AND ABOUT 2,600 SQUARE FEET, 2,700 SQUARE FEET FOR RETAIL OPPORTUNITY.

MY HOUSE, THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF MY HOME, OUR HOME.

SO THAT'D PROBABLY PUT IN A NICE LITTLE COFFEE SHOP.

AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THAT'S NOT A RETAIL OPPORTUNITY OR AN EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY.

THAT'S A COFFEE SHOP THAT MAYBE THE TENANTS WOULD VENTURE INTO.

MAYBE NOT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT 111 UNITS ON A PIECE OF LAND, JUST A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD.

FIVE STORIES TALL.

NOW, IT WAS MENTIONED TONIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A 10 STORY PROPOSITION WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY KNEW 10 STORIES WASN'T GONNA WORK.

THAT WAS THE THROWAWAY OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WE CUT IT IN HALF.

EXACTLY.

WELL, I'M GLAD SOMEBODY AGREES WITH ME.

UH, SO I, THE, THE, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

THERE'S TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, AND YOU CAN SAY THOSE ARE SITE PLAN ISSUES AND PLANNING ISSUES.

THEY'RE NOT, THEY NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

UH, I'VE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE PUD DESIGN STATEMENT.

I MEAN, THIS THING NEEDS SOME WORK AS WELL.

UH, NO REFLECTION ON THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE IMPROVED.

SO, UH, MR. MAYOR, I'VE SAID ALL THAT TO SAY THIS.

I'VE, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH, AND I'M GONNA VOTE NO TONIGHT.

OTHER COMMENTS, THEN LET ME CLOSE.

UM, YOU GOT ONE? GO AHEAD.

I HAVE LOTS OF COMMENTS.

, THIS IS ON MY WARD.

BY THE WAY, BEFORE YOU START MR. MOLES, I DID EMAIL YOU THIS MORNING AT 10 0 7.

I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT I WROTE MY NOTES BEFORE I RECEIVED YOUR EMAIL.

I WROTE MY NOTES BEFORE.

I GOT A LOT OF YOUR EMAILS TODAY TOO.

SO I DID READ THEM ALL.

THANK YOU FOR EMAILING.

I THINK ALL OF US RESPONDED TO CHIP AND HE JUST FORGOT THAT WE DID IT.

SO THIS IS IN MY WARD.

I'M A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO I'VE BEEN CONSIDERING IT VERY CAREFULLY, AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT I'VE RECEIVED.

I APPRECIATE THERE WERE COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON THIS.

I THINK THAT DEMONSTRATES SOME GOOD FAITH AND THAT SOME CHANGES WERE MADE AS A RESULT OF THAT.

UM, I'VE RECEIVED, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT SPEAKING AGAINST THIS.

I'VE ALSO RECEIVED ACTUALLY SOME PRETTY BALANCED FEEDBACK ON THIS PROJECT.

AND, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR IT SAY, WE NEED THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, AND IF, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT IT HERE, THEN WHERE DO WE PUT IT? IT'S RIGHT BY THE HIGHWAY.

THE PEOPLE, A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE AGAINST IT, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T FIT ON THAT LOT THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE.

UM, I'VE HEARD TRAFFIC, I'VE HEARD SCHOOLS, I'VE HEARD THE ODOT PROPERTY AMONG OTHER THINGS.

A LOT OF THINGS Y'ALL SENT ME IN YOUR EMAILS.

AND SO DECISIONS LIKE THIS ARE TOUGH FOR US BECAUSE WE, UM, THERE'S PEOPLE FOR AND THERE'S PEOPLE AGAINST, AND YOU'RE GETTING DISAPPOINTED, HALF THE PEOPLE WITH WHATEVER YOU DO, RIGHT? UNLESS YOU DEFER THE DECISION, WHICH I GUESS IS AN OPTION.

UM, SO I JUST TRIED TO LOOK AT IT OBJECTIVELY.

I LIVE VERY NEAR THIS SITE.

I DRIVE THAT CORNER ALL THE TIME.

UM, STOP AT THE STOP SIGNS ALL THE TIME.

MY, SO I'LL JUST EXPLAIN MY THOUGHT PROCESS AND KIND OF WHERE I'M AT ON THIS.

UM, DO WE NEED THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN EDMOND? UH, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO EMAILED ME SAID YES, AND LIKE SHE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, IT'S NOT ABOUT APARTMENTS.

UM, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF STUDIES THAT HAVE SHOWN WE HAVE THIS MISSING MIDDLE OF AFFORDABLE ISH HOUSING IN OUR TOWN.

IF YOU CAN'T BUY A $400,000 HOUSE, IT'S HARD TO LIVE HERE.

AND SO, UM, I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE WE DO NEED SOME OF THIS, MORE OF THIS HOUSING.

UM, SO THEN IT'S WHERE SHOULD THIS DEVELOPMENT OCCUR? UM, AND IS IT APPROPRIATE ALONG I 35? UM, THE PLAN DOES

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TALK TO MIXED USE.

IT DOES TALK TO RE RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL, UM, ENTERTAINMENT.

I THINK THE VISION IS TO DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, ALL UP THE SIDE OF 35 THERE, UP TO 33RD STREET.

AND SO TO ME, IT'S CONSISTENT FOR THE AREA AND, AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.

UM, GOOD POINTS ON, YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T WE FOCUS THIS, THIS LIMITED PRECIOUS FRONTAGE ON REVENUE.

UH, MR. MILLS HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL ON THAT, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, IN PRINCIPLE, UM, THIS IS A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE FRONTAGE.

AND SO IN GENERAL, I AGREE WITH THAT FOR THIS LOT, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SIZE THAT IT IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD GENERATE.

AND ALSO BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE AREA THAT LIVE THERE, TO ME, THERE'S AN INDIRECT BENEFIT OF MORE SPENDING AND MORE SALES TAX.

THEY'RE GONNA BUY THEIR GROCERIES AT WALMART, JUST LIKE I DO, PROBABLY IF PEOPLE LIVE HERE.

AND I, I GUESS I SORT OF DISAGREE WITH THE NOTION THAT IF SOMETHING'S NOT GENERATING SALES TAX, THEN IT'S NOT VALUE ADDED.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN OUR CITY THAT WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT TOO, THAT ARE LOOKING FOR HOUSING LIKE THIS.

UM, I'VE, I'VE HEARD CONCERNS THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD SPOT FOR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THAT IT'LL BE AN ISLAND WITH NO CONNECTIVITY TO ANYTHING.

AND I THINK TO SOME EXTENT THAT'S TRUE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING OVER THERE, RIGHT? IF YOU GUYS DRIVE THIS, THERE'S NOTHING OVER THERE.

BUT COULD IT BE A CATALYST FOR WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT UP TO 33RD STREET? I THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL THERE.

AND I THINK THAT FITS WITH THE VISION.

UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY THAT PROJECT CAN FIT ON THAT SMALL LOT AND COMPLY WITH ALL THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON THAT JUST BASED ON SOME THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT HERE TONIGHT.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CONFIDENCE AT LEAST THAT IT'S VIABLE.

AND SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING ON THAT ONE RIGHT NOW.

IF, UH, LIKE IF I WAS PLAYING SIM CITY, WOULD I PUT THIS THING ON THIS CORNER? HONESTLY, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT.

I'D PROBABLY MOVE IT OVER A LITTLE BIT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LANDOWNER WHO WANTS TO INVEST AND DEVELOP IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO IS IT, IS THAT A GOOD REASON FOR ME TO SAY? NO? NO, NOT REALLY.

UM, IS IT BETTER TO VOTE NO ON THIS AND LET IT SIT THERE AS A FORMER ATM HALF PAVED PARKING LOT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS? I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY EITHER.

UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, TO BE HONEST.

I JUST DON'T SEE IT.

I DRIVE THAT AREA A LOT.

IT'S A THREE-WAY STOP WITH FIVE LANES ON MEMORIAL.

IT'S A FOUR LANE ROAD AT THE THREE-WAY STOP ON THE SERVICE ROAD.

I JUST DON'T SEE HOW TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE AFFECTED HERE.

IF WE NEED TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, IF WE NEED TO PUT IN A SIGNAL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL DO.

AND THE CITY WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH OKLAHOMA CITY IF THAT HAPPENS TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

UM, SCHOOL CROWDING.

SOME PEOPLE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ON SCHOOL CROWDING.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE A STAT THAT I HEARD THAT FOR, FOR PROPERTY, FOR DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, ADMIN PUBLIC SCHOOLS HISTORICALLY HAS SEEN ABOUT 20 STUDENTS PER 100 UNITS HIT THE SCHOOLS.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THIS HAS A HUNDRED AND WHAT IS IT, 20, 111.

SO A LITTLE OVER 20 STUDENTS SPREAD ACROSS CHISHOLM, CIMARRON AND MEMORIAL, IF THEY ALL GO TO PUBLIC SCHOOL, IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

UM, WITH THE NEW ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL OPENING AT CO AND AIR DEPOT.

I JUST DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT MAKING A BIG DIFFERENCE.

HONESTLY.

MY KIDS WENT TO CHISHOLM.

I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT.

UM, OKAY.

THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT I WROTE DOWN.

LEMME LOOK BACK AT THE NOTES FOR FOLK THINGS FOLKS SAID HERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, MISERABLE PLACE TO LIVE IS A QUOTE THAT I SAW IN YOUR EMAIL TOO, SIR.

AND I, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SUBURBS OF DALLAS THAT WOULD PROBABLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET WILL DECIDE THAT.

AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF EXAMPLES WHERE WE SEE THAT DIFFERENTLY.

UM, OKAY.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN JUST TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD.

SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS ZONING CHANGE TO RESIDENTIAL.

UM, IS IT IDEAL, MAYBE NOT FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE ALSO CAN'T, UH, CAN'T SAY NO TO EVERYTHING.

I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THIS.

I THINK THERE ARE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, THERE ARE NURSES, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANNA LIVE IN THIS AREA THAT WOULD REALLY VALUE HAVING THIS OPTION THAT WORK AT TINKER, THAT WORK WHEREVER, AND, UH, WANT A NICE SPOT TO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT DOES BRING MORE SALES TAX PAYERS.

UM, IT'S WELL SEPARATED FROM EDMOND OAKS.

I MEAN, I DROVE, I DRIVE BY THERE ALL THE TIME.

THIS HAS, I MEAN, THE ONE THAT WAS, THAT WAS OVERTURNED

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A WHILE BACK WAS RIGHT ON THE, THE BACKYARDS.

AND THIS ONE'S QUITE A BIT SEPARATED.

SO TO ME IT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE SAME.

IT'S, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

UM, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF A LONG PROCESS THAT INCLUDES COMPLIANCE AND DESIGN CHECKS ALONG THE WAY.

AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

RANDY JUST LOOKED AT HIS WATCH, SO I NEED TO HURRY UP.

, TAKE YOUR TIME.

I, I WANTED TO THINK HARD ABOUT THIS AND TELL YOU ALL MY THOUGHTS.

UM, I THINK, I THINK THE DEVELOPER'S CHOSEN A GOOD DESIGN FIRM AND GARDNER, AND I THINK THEY CAN BUILD US SOMETHING IF, IF THIS CONTINUES, THAT COULD BE TIMELESS AND A LANDMARK IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE COULD BE PROUD OF.

AND I'M, IF IT HAPPENS, I'M HOPEFUL THAT IT WOULD BE A CATALYST FOR DEVELOPMENT THERE.

I THINK WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A CATALYST TO SPARK THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS CORRIDOR, AND I COULD SEE THIS PROJECT DOING THAT.

SO I'LL BE VOTING YES TONIGHT.

UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHT, PRESTON, AND I KNOW WHEN SOMETHING'S IN YOUR WORD AND PEOPLE REPRESENT, YOU WANNA BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT.

I, UM, I'M ALSO, I'M ALSO LISTENING AND I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS.

IT, UM, I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE CLARITY.

I MENTIONED, I MENTIONED BRICK.

I, I WOULDN'T APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STUCCO AT THIS POINT.

UM, I WOULD LIKE SOMETHING, I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE RETAIL.

I UNDERSTAND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS SMALL.

UM, I UNDERSTAND WHY DEVELOPERS DEVELOP AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO SHAME IN THAT.

YOU HAVE TO, UM, GOTTA MAKE A LIVING.

SO I UNDERSTAND WANTING THE DENSITY.

I WONDER IF THERE COULD BE MORE, UM, IF WE COULD GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE.

I, I FEEL I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE VOTING AFTER I HAD MORE INFORMATION.

I WOULD BE OPEN TO DELAYING THE VOTE.

BUT, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS MY OPINION.

I, AS I'VE SAID IN PAST MEETINGS AND IN OTHER MEETINGS, I'M ASKED TO, I'M, I, I DO PUBLIC BUSINESS IN PUBLIC, SO I, I HOPE THIS CAN BE A DIALOGUE.

UM, I DON'T, I WANT THESE MEETINGS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND THAT YOU GET THE FEEDBACK YOU NEED.

UM, AND I'M JUST NOT, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CLARITY RIGHT NOW.

SO, SO IN, IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFIC MATERIALS YOU MENTIONED, WE'RE HAPPY TO STRIKE STUCCO AND WOOD.

SO COMMITTING THAT IT WOULD BE THE BRICK VENEER, MASONRY, ROCK AND STONE.

WE CAN COMMIT TO A MINIMUM OF 4,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL ON GROUND FLOOR.

AND THAT, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE, LIKE THE LEASING OFFICE? NO.

OUTSIDE OF THE LEASING OFFICE, 4,000.

SQUARE FEET WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING? I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THERE IF YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO IT.

I THINK IDEALLY WE'D ALL LIKE TO SEE IT BE A LITTLE MORE MIXED USE THAN RESIDENTIAL.

LET ME, LET ME JUMP IN HERE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS.

YEAH, YEAH.

AND I'VE BEEN SITTING BACK, AND I'M GONNA TAKE THIS BACK TO THE INTENT NOT ONLY OF THE 2018 MASTER PLAN AND WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT THE I 35 CORRIDOR, BUT ALSO THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN.

I SPENT TWO YEARS ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.

AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT I 35, AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT PARTICULAR SLIDE THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT, YOU'LL NOTICE WHERE THE ANTICIPATED QUOTE GROWTH IS.

AND IT'S THE PURPLE, IT WAS THAT PURPLE THAT WENT UP AND THERE WAS SOME TAN BEHIND IT THAT'S NOT ONLY NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY, IT IS NORTH OF THE OC PROPERTY.

THAT IS WHERE THE INTENT WAS FOR THE HIGH DENSITY RETAIL AND PERHAPS MIXED USE WITH EVEN WITH APARTMENTS OVER RETAIL.

THIS CORNER WAS NOT TOUCHED IN THAT PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY ZONED D TWO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND IT WAS A PROPER FIT FOR THAT CORNER.

I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S CHANGED FROM THAT INTENDED USE.

NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WOULD BE SOMETHING MORE LIKE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT A CVS OR A WALGREENS IT, WHICH IS GONNA GENERATE TAX DOLLARS.

YOU CAN CHANGE THIS FROM 3,200 TO 4,000 AND SAY EVERYTHING ON THE GROUND FLOOR IS GONNA BE RETAIL.

BUT WHAT'S IT GONNA BE AT 4,000

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AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO GO TO IT AFTER EVERYBODY GOES TO WORK SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE A PLACE TO PARK.

THIS IS TOO BIG A PROJECT FOR THIS PIECE OF LAND.

IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE VISION FROM THE 2018 PLAN, NOR WITH THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I SIT ON THIS AND IT'S JUST, IT'S TOO BIG.

IT'S STILL TOO BIG AND IT DOESN'T FIT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

YES, IT IS A GOOD PLACE.

I 35 IS A GOOD PLACE FOR MIXED USE, BUT WE GOTTA DO IT RIGHT, AND IF WE'RE TRYING TO CRAM SOMETHING INTO A SHOEBOX, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.

I THINK HE'S FIGURED OUT WHERE I STAND ON THIS.

SO, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON IT OR WERE YOU SUGGESTING A DIFFERENT PATH? I, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION TO VOTE.

I WAS TALKING TO MS. NICHOLS.

WERE YOU SUGGESTING ANOTHER APPROACH HERE? UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO DELAYING A VOTE, BUT OPEN TO WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU, SIR.

I WOULD BE OPEN TO DELAYING.

OH.

OR CONTINUING.

I'M NOT REAL GOOD AT MATH, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE SWING IS, IS ON YOU.

SO, UM, THE QUESTION I GUESS IS AT EIGHT 10, ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD TONIGHT? STRIKING, MODIFYING THE PUT AND IF NOT, THEN WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, NOTHING LIKE A LITTLE PRESSURE AT 8:09 PM .

UM, I, WE ALSO DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE ON THE SPOT.

SAY THAT AGAIN? WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE ON THE SPOT ON THAT.

YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, AT THE END OF THIS, THE OWNER OF THE LAND IS STILL THE OWNER OF THE LAND AND WE ARE STILL THIS COUNCIL AND WE'LL BE HERE .

UM, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC, NO, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE AT THIS TIME DOING THAT.

SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE, THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT OR TAKE IT.

I CAN MAKE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE A DEFERRAL.

SAY WHAT? PARDON? WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE A DEFERRAL.

MR. BOX, I WANTED TO ASK YOU, YOU, YOU STOOD UP AND SAID SOMETHING TO THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S QUESTION? YES.

REGARDING THE CHANGES YOU WOULD MAKE TO THE PUD DESIGN STATEMENT? YES, SIR.

WHAT ARE THOSE AGAIN? REMOVE STUCCO AND WOOD UNDER THE FACADE REGULATIONS, AND THEN PROVIDE A MAXIMUM OF 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF FIRST FLOOR RETAIL.

DID YOU SAY MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM? UH, MINIMUM.

SORRY, MINIMUM OF 4,000 SQUARE FEET.

COMMIT TO AT LEAST THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND THAT WAS IN ADDITION TO THE, TO THE LEASING OFFICE, CORRECT? YES.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT, DID YOU LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL OPTION OR, UH, RETAIL OPTIONS FOR THIS CORNER WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT NO.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, YOU MIGHT IMAGINE THAT THIS SITE FACES FROM PURE RETAIL STANDPOINT IS THE ACCESS YEAH.

IS TERRIBLE.

YOU HAVE ONE ACCESS POINT ON A SERVICE ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU'RE LIMITED TO REALLY JUST ONE.

AND EVEN THAT ONE TECHNICALLY REQUIRES A VARIANCE.

AND SO FROM A TRADITIONAL RETAIL STANDPOINT MM-HMM .

THIS SITE HAS MASSIVE LIMITATIONS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S VACANT.

MS. MURDOCH NICHOLS.

THERE IS ONE OTHER ISSUE ON CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.

I THINK IN THE PUD STATEMENT HERE, IT SAYS BRICK VENEER.

WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT BRICK IN YOUR STATEMENT? BRICK VENEER.

THAT'S BRICK.

BRICK VENEER.

VENEER IS THE INDUSTRY TERM FOR BRICK.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PREFORMED BRICK PANEL.

NO.

BRICK VENEER IS BRICK VENEER.

IS THAT INDUSTRY BRICK? IT'S JUST GONNA BE BRICK.

BRICK.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PREFORMED CONCRETE PANEL LOOKING LIKE BRICK.

NO.

BRICK

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I I WANNA MAKE SURE OF THAT.

YEAH, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ME.

BRICK VENEER IS BRICK VENEER, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT HOMES ARE BUILT WITH.

THAT'S WHAT YOUR HOUSE IS BRICK.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE A BRICK HOME, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF YOU DO, IT'S A BRICK VENEER.

OKAY, MR. MAYOR, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THESE CHANGES HAVE OCCURRED IN THE LAST 10, 15 MINUTES.

COULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT PLANNING COMMISSION, COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE YOU WALKED IN HERE.

THEY WEREN'T, THEY WEREN'T CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED.

THEY WEREN'T RAISED TO US.

BEG YOUR PARDON.

THEY, THEY WEREN'T CONCERNS THAT, THAT I, AT LEAST I ASKED ABOUT IT IN OUR MEETING ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALSO ON THE, UH, THE FINISH, THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING THE BRICK.

I APOLOGIZE, THAT DIDN'T, BRICKER WAS ST STUCK OVER WOOD OR SIMILAR TYPE FINISH.

IT WASN'T A CONCERN OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND I DIDN'T, I WASN'T MADE AWARE THAT THOSE WERE CONCERNS.

I THINK I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS SEPTEMBER 8TH.

I THINK WE HAVE SOMEBODY ANSWER QUESTIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO, JUST FROM A VIABILITY STANDPOINT, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE FIRE AND TRASH ACCESS QUESTION.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BUGGING ME THE MOST.

SO IF I MAY, BECAUSE SOMEHOW I'VE GOTTA BE IN TUTTLE, DELL CITY AND NEW CASTLE ON SEPTEMBER 8TH.

COULD, COULD WE, COULD WE PUT IT OUT SOME DISTANCE SO WE COULD MAYBE IT'S BETTER ANYWAYS TO HAVE MORE TIME TO WORK? SURE.

TO, TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE, SO YEAH.

AND THEN WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THE PUD LIMITATIONS.

SO MAYBE THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, I'M NOT GONNA BE FOR THAT.

I'M NOT GONNA STRING THESE PEOPLE ALONG.

WE'RE EITHER GOING VOTE ON IT AT SOME TIME IN SEPTEMBER OR AT, THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THAT.

I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT IF WE VOTED THIS, THIS PUD DOWN, THAT THEY COULDN'T RECONFIGURE THIS THING AND COME BACK AND TAKE ANOTHER SHOT AT IT.

IT IT'S A COST AND, AND TITLE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT TO MY CLIENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF BETTER PREPARATION AND, AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT, WHAT THE VOTERS SAID ON THE PREVIOUS ONE DOES HAVE MERIT.

WELL, WHAT THE VOTERS SAY, OF COURSE, IS CONTRADICTORY TO WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL SAID.

AND SO IF DEVELOPERS FOCUS SOLELY ON WHAT NEIGHBORS SAID, NOTHING WAS, I DIDN'T SAY WHAT NEIGHBORS SAID.

I SAID WHAT VOTERS SAID 26,000 PEOPLE VOTED IN THAT ELECTION, MR. BUCKS.

FAIR ENOUGH.

26,000 PEOPLE SAID THAT WE NEED TO BE MORE COGNIZANT ABOUT OUR PROCESS IN THIS.

AND IT WAS A CONCERN THEN.

AND WHEN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT CAME TO US THE FIRST TIME, IT WAS 10 STORIES TALL AND IT IS STILL TOO BIG AT FIVE STORIES TALL.

SO IF THE THOUGHT PROCESS HAD BEEN RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND A AND AN IDEA HAD COME FORWARD THAT WE ALL FELT COMFORTABLE WITH, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS LONG CONVERSATION TONIGHT.

I I'M, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE PERFECT WORLD, BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS, AS, AS MR. MOORE JUST SAID, THESE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

THIS COUNCIL IS OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

SO IF WE SAY NO TONIGHT, THAT DOESN'T STOP THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR COMING UP WITH A BETTER PLAN.

AND JUST IN TERMS OF PROCESS, I MEAN, WE WITHDREW WHATEVER HAD BEEN FILED.

THE 10TH STORY PROJECT NEVER MADE IT TO A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IN THE VERY FIRST MEETING IT WAS SCRAPPED.

AND SO IN TERMS OF PROCESS, WE'VE GONE THROUGH STAFF REVIEW, WHICH RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THIS BODY, WHICH RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND NOW WE'RE HERE.

SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ANYTHING CONTRARY TO WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'VE DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE LEGISLATIVE PHASE OF THIS, THE POLICY MAKERS ARE CONCERNED.

AND THAT'S WHERE IT LANDS IS ON US.

WHETHER WE ALL AGREE OR NOT, IT LANDS ON US.

STARTING OVER WITH STAFF.

THAT IS HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE COUNCILWOMAN.

WE'D LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO DELAY IT, FIND A WAY TO SOLVE THOSE ISSUES, AND THEN BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL, RATHER THAN TAKING THREE TO FOUR MORE MONTHS

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STARTING OVER WITH PLANNING COMMISSION.

WELL, I'M GONNA LOOK AT THIS COUNCIL AND SAY, WHAT DO Y'ALL WANNA DO? WE HAVE A MOTION TO DELAY IT, TO CONTINUE IT.

DO WE HAVE A DATE? YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT TOO? SOUNDS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE SEPTEMBER 2ND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER 22ND.

22ND.

IS THAT YOUR MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

I HAVE A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

DID YOU, DID YOU SECOND? SECOND AND A SECOND.

CAST YOUR VOTE.

SCREENING WASN'T MENTIONED.

WE WILL CONTINUE THIS TO SEPTEMBER 22ND.

WE ARE NOW ON

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ITEM 11.

CITIZEN COMMENTS.

WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

FIRST IS GLENN MUELLER.

IS MR. MUELLER HERE? MR. MUELLER? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE MOVING ON.

LYDIA LEE.

THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

I HAVE, UH, AS I INDICATED A, A MINUTE AGO, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PUDS AND I'VE SPOKEN IN FRONT OF MANY COUNCILS GOING BACK 20 YEARS.

I'VE SERVED ON PLANNING COMMISSIONS FOR OVER 15 YEARS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE LEVEL OF STAFF REPORTS THAT ARE BEING ISSUED AT THIS POINT IN TIME BY THE CITY OF EDMOND ARE EMBARRASSING.

I I, IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS WHEN THE CITY ENGINEER STOOD UP.

THEY HADN'T EVEN BOTHERED TO THINK ABOUT THOSE OTHER TWO DRIVEWAYS.

THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS 'EM.

THE VARIANCE SAID 250 YARDS OR FEET.

THOSE DRIVEWAYS WERE MUCH CLOSER.

I WENT BACK AND PULLED A COUPLE OF MY STAFF REPORTS FROM BOBMEYER FROM YEARS AGO.

THEY WERE THOROUGH.

THEY COVERED EVERYTHING.

THEY WOULD'VE ASKED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS THAT ACCESS UNDER THE BUILDING, WHICH CLEARLY NOBODY BOTHERED TO DO AND NOBODY BOTHERED TO THINK ABOUT.

IT WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

NONE OF THAT GARBAGE WASN'T MENTIONED.

WHERE THE WASTE FACILITIES WERE GONNA BE WEREN'T MENTIONED.

THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT CANNOT POSSIBLY YOU SAW THE PLAN CANNOT POSSIBLY GO ON.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.

NONE OF THAT WAS INCLUDED.

I LOOKED AT, AT SEVERAL STAFF REPORTS FROM PREVIOUS, UH, MEETINGS AS WELL AS THE ONE PROCEEDING.

THIS ONE, THE PUD, WHICH HAD LANDSCAPING ON IT, WHICH HAD INFORMATION ABOUT SCREENING.

THIS ONE HAD NONE OF THAT.

WHY ISN'T THE STAFF DOING THEIR JOB AND GIVING YOU COMPREHENSIVE REPORTS? WE DESERVE IT AS CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO READ THOSE AND KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES WERE.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD, I SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO SCOUR THAT TO, TO COME UP WITH THESE ISSUES.

I SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO RESEARCH THE CODE TO KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT WAS FOR THE FIRE.

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE STAFF REPORT.

AND YOU AS A COUNCIL SHOULD DEMAND THAT STAFF DO A BETTER JOB IN PRESENTING TO YOU.