* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.
          [1. Call to Order of the Edmond Planning Commission.]
          [00:00:06]
          BUDDY, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND BEGIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS DATE OF SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025, AND I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          AGENDA 
          [2.  Consideration of Approval of Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes: September 2, 2025.]
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS LOOKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE REGULAR MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025 FOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          OKAY, I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THAT ITEM IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO. 
          MOVING 
          [A.  Discussion and Consideration of the Edmond Planning Commission Schedule of Regular Meetings for Calendar Year 2026.]
ON DOWN THE AGENDA HERE. 
          LET'S GO TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEM CASE NUMBER OOPS. 
          THREE A. 
          OOPS, SORRY. 
          UH, THREE. 
          A DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE EDMOND PLANNING COMMISSION SCHEDULE FOR, UH, CALENDAR YEAR 2025. 
          I DID NOT SEE THAT. 
          2026. 
          WOO. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THE ONLY THING I WOULD NOTE ON THIS IS, UM, RECALL THAT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE MEETING IN MARCH, SO WE'LL TAKE OFF THAT SPRING BREAK LIKE WE DID THIS YEAR, AND, UM, WE JUST SHIFT OUR SUMMER, UH, MEETING TO ALIGN WITH THE COUNCIL SCHEDULE. 
          SO, UH, ONE MEETING IN JUNE, AND THEN ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. 
          LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MARK SECOND AND A SECOND FROM AUSTIN. 
          AGENDA ITEM THREE A IS APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO. 
          MOVING ON 
          [A.  Case No. PR24-00018; Public Hearing and Consideration of a Preliminary Plat for Villas at Kickingbird, located at 2700 East Danforth Road. (Sun Properties; Ward 2)  ]
TO FOUR A CASE NUMBER PR 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 8 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE VILLAS AT KINGBIRD. 
          MR. BRIAN, IF YOU'LL PRESENT? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS CASE IS JUST UNDER FIVE ACRES. 
          THE MAP ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DANFORTH, ONE QUARTER MILE WEST OF COLTRANE. 
          THE CASE DETAILS INCLUDE 49 PLATTED LOTS FOR TOWN HOMES. 
          ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED FROM DANFORTH WITH A DRIVE LOCATED ACROSS FROM THE DRIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          SO THOSE DRIVEWAYS WILL ALIGN. 
          UH, THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES PRIVATE STREETS. 
          THE PRELIMINARY PLAT CONFORMS TO THE ZONING DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU, MR. BRIAN. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? OR, I'M SORRY. 
          DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO, UM, ADD TO THE PRESENTATION OF CITY STAFF OR RELY ON THIS PRESENTATION? OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF OR APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? SEEING NONE. 
          LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          AND AGENDA ITEM FOUR A HAS BEEN APPROVED BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO AND MOVES TO CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 13TH, 2025. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOVING ON 
          [B.  Case No. Z24-00017; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Rezoning from “G-A” General Agriculture to “PUD Z24-00017” East Edmond 15A Planned Unit Development located between E 15th Street & E 33rd Street, and between S Hiwassee and S Westminster. (Rubenstein & Pitts; Ward 2)]
TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR B, CASE NUMBER Z 24 DASH 0 0 0 7, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR A REZONING FROM GA AGRI GENERAL AGRICULTURE TO PUDZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 7. 
          MR. BRIAN, WILL YOU PRESENT PLEASE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST IS APPROXIMATELY 645 ACRES. 
          THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION IN SOUTHEAST EDMOND BETWEEN 15TH STREET AND 33RD STREET, AND BETWEEN AWA AND ONE HALF MILE WEST OF ANDERSON ROAD. 
          NEARBY ZONING AND USES INCLUDE, UH, GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE AND PORTIONS THAT ABUT LAKE WOE COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH AND THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA CITY TO THE EAST AND SOUTH. 
          THIS AREA IS EITHER UNDEVELOPED LAND OR CONTAINS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON LARGE PARCELS. 
          THE PROPOSED PUD DESIGN STATEMENT INCLUDES SOME KEY DETAILS. 
          THE ALLOWED USES GENERALLY INCLUDE OFFICE, RETAIL, ENTERTAINMENT, CIVIC AND LIVING ACTIVITIES. 
          PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, MEDICAL MARIJUANA, RETAILERS, OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OUTDOOR SALES. 
          A MAXIMUM OF 4,500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD BE ALLOWED. 
          A MAXIMUM OF 120 ACRES WOULD BE USED FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL USES. 
          A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 80 FEET WOULD BE ESTABLISHED THROUGHOUT THE PUD. 
          SEVERAL POINTS OF ACCESS TO A BUDDING ARTERIAL STREETS WILL BE 
          [00:05:01]
REQUIRED AS THE PROJECT DEVELOPS. 
          THE PROJECT WILL CON INCLUDE AN INTERCONNECTED NETWORK OF STREETS, TRAILS, ALLEYS, AND WALKWAYS TO FACILITATE A VARIETY OF TRANSPORTATION MODES AND WOULD BE ALLOWED TO RELY ON THE CITY'S STREETSCAPE STANDARDS. 
          THE PROJECT CONFORMS TO THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          SPECIFICALLY THE CONCEPT FOR THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION DURING A MAJOR PLANNING EFFORT REFERRED TO AS EAST EDMOND 2050. 
          THIS EFFORT COMPLETED IN 2022, FOCUSED ON WHERE NEW POPULATION COULD AND SHOULD LIVE AND WORK AS THE CITY GROWS FROM 95,000 PEOPLE TO 135,000 PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT FEW DECADES. 
          A KEY RESULT OF THIS EFFORT WAS THAT MANY OF THE ASSETS WE ENJOY TODAY CAN BE SUSTAINED AND IMPROVED BY CONCENTRATING GROWTH IN KEY LOCATIONS SUCH AS ALONG SOUTH BROADWAY, ALONG I 35, NEAR I 35 AND COVELL, AND IN NEW VILLAGES, UM, IN TOWN. 
          THIS PROJECT LOCATION BECAME THE SECOND VILLAGE REFLECTED IN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE APPLICABLE PLAN CATEGORIES IN THE EDMOND PLAN 2018 INCLUDE TOWN SQUARE, WHICH IS A RELATIVELY INTENSE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING MID-RISE COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE STRUCTURES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME BEING FINE-GRAINED AND HIGHLY WALKABLE VILLAGE. 
          MODERATE A STEP DOWN IN INTENSITY FROM TOWN SQUARE AND INCLUDING A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          AND FINALLY, VILLAGE LOW, THE LEAST INTENSE CATEGORY THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL. 
          WHILE STILL SUPPORTING WALKABILITY, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS A DETAILED PRESENTATION THAT SHOULD GO, THAT MAY ANSWER MANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BRIAN. 
          MR. MCKINNIS, YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? I WILL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TODD MCKINNIS, I REPRESENT THE, UH, DEVELOPER AND APPLICANT TONIGHT. 
          UH, I WANT TO INTRODUCE THE FOLKS THAT HAVE PUT TOGETHER THIS ON OUR TEAM. 
          UH, TOM BLAYLOCK IS HERE. 
          TOM IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT. 
          THE, UH, THE FAMILY THAT OWNS THE REAL ESTATE. 
          UH, HANK BAMA IS HERE WITH WHITEHORSE PLANNING. 
          HE'S A LAND PLANNER WITH MANY DECADES OF EXPERIENCE AROUND THE WORLD DOING PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THIS, AND HE'S GONNA BE DOING MOST OF THE PRESENTATION CHAIRMAN BLUNDELL IN JUST A FEW MINUTES. 
          UH, MARK ZIZO IS HERE WITH JOHNSON ASSOCIATES. 
          HE'S ONE OF THE LEAD ENGINEERING FIRMS IN THE CITY AND ALSO IS KEY TO OUR TEAM. 
          LARRY WALLACE IS HERE WITH NEWMAN DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, STEPHANIE COLTER CHAIR OF MY OFFICE. 
          BUT I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THE CITY STAFF BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. 
          I THINK I FIGURED THE DAY. 
          I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS. 
          AND SO IT HAS BEEN A MUTUAL COLLABORATION BETWEEN OUR TEAM AND THE EXPERTS THAT THE CITY HAS ON STAFF. 
          MR. BRIAN JUST MENTIONED THE LONG RANGE PLANNING OF EDMOND 2018 AND THE INCORPORATED EDMOND PLAN 2050 THAT WE BELIEVE FITS HAND IN GLOVE WITH THAT THIS PROJECT. 
          AND SO, UH, IT WOULD BE SILLY FOR ME TO SAY IT WAS JUST US BECAUSE THERE WERE NUMEROUS INTERACTIONS WITH THE STAFF, MULTIPLE MEETINGS, MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS, AND JUST, UH, RELYING ON THE EXPERTISE THAT THE CITY HAS ALONG WITH OUR VISION TO BRING SOMETHING TO REALITY. 
          SO WE GOT HERE BECAUSE IN 1996, UH, THE LEADER OF OUR FAMILY STARTED ACQUIRING PROPERTY IN THIS AREA AND BROUGHT THIS IDEA TO PASS ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO AFTER HIS PASSING. 
          AND THIS DECISION BY THE FAMILY TO INVEST IN LONG RANGE, MULTI-GENERATIONAL BUSINESS IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND THIS PART OF TOWN IS AN AREA WHERE THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT HOLDINGS, AS YOU HEARD MR. BRIAN SAY. 
          AND SO WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS, UH, AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY FOR ME IT'S A ONCE IN A GENERATION, ONCE IN A LIFETIME PROJECT. 
          I WORKED ON ONE OTHER PROJECT THAT WAS SIMILAR TO A SIZE, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPITAL OR THE VISION TO SEE THIS THROUGH. 
          SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND TO SHARE THIS VISION WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE STAFF AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          UH, YOU'VE HEARD THE CONCEPTS OF VILLAGE CENTER OR NEW URBANISM OR TOWN CENTER. 
          MR. BRYAN JUST WENT THROUGH VARIOUS CONCEPTS AND DIFFERENT TERMS THAT ARE IN THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN. 
          AND FOR ME, WITH A LIMITED IMAGINATION, THOSE ARE JUST, UH, WORDS. 
          AND SO IT'S OUR DESIRE TO BRING THOSE WORDS TO LIFE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, AND SO HANK BIM IS GONNA COME UP AND TELL YOU ABOUT THAT. 
          THEN I'M GONNA COME BACK UP AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE ON OUR MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, HANK THANK YOU COMMISSION. 
          I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT, UH, YOU ALSO HAVE INVESTED IN THE REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION. 
          SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST KIND OF MOVE THROUGH THESE SLIDES RATHER SPEEDILY, BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHERE THIS IS. 
          UH, OUR REALLY, OUR VISION STARTED WITH KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO LIVE IN A PLACE THAT YOU COULD WORK, YOU COULD PLAY, YOU COULD BE CONNECTED TO NATURE, AND THAT OTHERS COULD LIVE WITH YOU REGARDLESS OF, UH, YOUR INCOME LEVEL OR SPECIFICALLY WHAT, UH, YOU ARE GONNA BE TOLD TO LIVE IN. 
          SO THIS WAS REALLY, UH, REALLY FOCUSED ON KINDA LEVERAGING THE 
          [00:10:01]
OPEN SPACE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAD AND KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF AMENITIES IN THIS AREA, INCLUDING THE, THE GREAT TRAIL SYSTEM THAT'S HERE, THE PARKS IN EAST EDMOND ALREADY, AND, UH, LEARN AND REALLY LOOKING CAREFULLY AT THE CONTEXTUAL PLACE THAT THIS IS. 
          UH, I'M GONNA JUST WHIP THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE SLIDES. 
          YOU KNOW WHERE THIS SITS. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO LOOK AT HERE IS JUST ITS PROXIMITY TO A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. 
          THIS IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WITH THIS LEVEL OF TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, THERE IS A REALLY GOOD DIRECT CONDUIT TO THE ARTERIAL ROAD SYSTEMS THAT LEAD TO THE LARGER METRO AREA. 
          THAT HAPPENS VERY INFREQUENTLY WHEN, UH, WHEN LOOKING AT A LOT OF JUST DIFFERENT LAND PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS A REAL ASSET. 
          UH, THIS LITTLE GRAPHIC JUST SIMPLY SHOWS THE, WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE PROPOSED TURNPIKE CONNECTION AT POST. 
          AND WE THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          WHY? BECAUSE IT GENERATES AND PULLS TRAFFIC DIRECTLY TO THE ROADS THAT WERE DESIGNED TO HANDLE IT. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT PIECE, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE FUTURE CONNECTIONS TO THE TURNPIKE THAT WILL HAPPEN FURTHER EAST, UH, FROM THIS LOCATION. 
          THIS ALSO IS, UH, AN IMPORTANT SITE AS WE JUST THINK ABOUT THE LARGER CONTEXT OF E STATEMAN, AND I'LL EXPLAIN AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          SO THE PLACE THAT WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO START WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PLANS LIKE THIS IS REALLY TO THINK ABOUT THE, THE NATURAL SYSTEMS THAT ARE THERE TODAY. 
          UH, WE STARTED REALLY WITH A BLANK SLATE AND LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE TOPOGRAPHY, THINGS LIKE HYDROLOGY, WATERSHEDS WHERE WHERE STORM WATER HAPPENS, WHAT ARE THE VEGETATION CATEGORIES, WHAT'S THEIR QUALITY. 
          UH, WE LOOKED AT REALLY WHAT IS, WHAT LAND IS APPROPRIATE FOR DEVELOPMENT FROM A SLOPE STANDPOINT AND WHICH ONES ARE NOT. 
          AND SO THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, AND THE ONE THAT WE'LL SEE MORE DETAILS OF IS REALLY PUT IN A PLACE WHERE THE LAND IS GENTLE, WHERE WE CAN CONTROL STORM WATER VERY EASILY. 
          UH, AND IT'S IN LARGELY AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED, HAD A PAST USE THAT WAS EITHER CATTLE OR AGRICULTURE IN NATURE. 
          AND WE'VE PRESERVED THOSE REALLY IMPORTANT CA CORRIDORS THAT ARE, UH, RAVINES, THAT ARE SLOPED IN, IN A WAY THAT ARE STEEPER, UH, WHERE THERE IS VEGETATION THAT PROTECTS THESE WATERWAYS. 
          AND SO IT'S IMPAR IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO REALLY FOCUS ON A LAND-BASED SOLUTION. 
          UH, THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY SLIDE THAT SAID WE LOOKED AT SOILS AND FLOODPLAIN, FLOODWAYS AND BEDROCK, AND ALL THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE AN IMPACT AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THIS DESIGN PROCESS. 
          IT WAS ALSO CONTEXTUALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY THE CURRENT ZONING, BUT OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO SUPPORT THIS FACILITY AND THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WE MENTIONED THE HIGHWAYS, BUT CERTAINLY OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES ARE IMPORTANT. 
          THIS IS SIMPLY WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MOVE FROM. 
          I STARTED BY TALKING ABOUT NATURAL SYSTEMS, AND CURRENTLY WE'RE WORKING THROUGH A MARKET ANALYSIS THAT WILL TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE MIX OF HOUSING TYPOLOGIES THAT ARE NEEDED HERE IN EAST EDMOND. 
          THE KINDS OF, UH, THE KINDS OF, UH, BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT, UH, IS BOTH NEEDED AND DESIRED. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE I'M GONNA GO INTO A FEW OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS. 
          YOU'LL SEE THESE AS THEY POP UP. 
          UM, ONE OF THE KIND OF PARAMOUNT FOUNDATIONAL ASPECTS TO THE LAYOUT IS HOW WE WANTED TO DEVELOP A VERY COMPREHENSIVE NETWORK OF TRAIL SYSTEMS, MULTI-USE THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE. 
          WE KNOW, UH, FROM URBAN LAND INSTITUTE, UOI, THAT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE NUMBER ONE ASSET IN ANY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS ITS, UH, PROXIMITY TO A SHARED TRAIL PUBLIC TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THIS, THIS ELEMENT IS SO IMPORTANT TO US. 
          WE KNOW THAT IT'S HIGHLY DESIRED AND WE KNOW THAT IT CHANGES PEOPLE'S PERSPECTIVE AND BEHAVIORS, UM, AS THEY LIVE. 
          AMPLE GREEN SPACE WAS KEY. 
          HAVING ACCESS TO GREEN SPACE THAT'S NATURAL AND ALSO ACCESSIBLE. 
          UH, AND WE REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT KIND OF WHAT, WHAT IS MISSING HERE IN TERMS OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UH, SO I'M GONNA BLOW IN TO A FEW OF THESE SPOTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE PROBABLY UNIQUELY, UM, THAT ARE POSITIONED ON THE PROPERTY BASED ON NATURAL SYSTEMS. THE FIRST IS 
          [00:15:01]
REALLY LOOKING AT HOUSING, HOW SINGLE LOT DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE CUL-DE-SAC TYPOLOGY HERE, BUT IT'S REALLY MEANT YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT RUNS IN BETWEEN LOTS IN SOME CASES AND INTO BUFFERS AND OTHERS. 
          THAT GREEN SPACE IN THE DARKER COLOR IS SHOWN VERY, UM, IT'S SHOWN TO PRESERVE THAT, THAT LEVEL OF OPEN SPACE SPACE BECAUSE IT'S STEEPER. 
          AND WE REALLY DO WANT THE BUFFER ALONG THE ROADWAYS AND TO MOVE THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES BEHIND THAT SPACE. 
          WE DO WANT TO BE SET BACK OFF OF PROPERTY LINES WHERE WE CAN, WE DO LIKE THE IDEA OF, UM, CREATING AC ACCESSIBILITY FOR THOSE. 
          AND, AND YOU'LL SEE WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT. 
          MOVING THESE TRAIL SYSTEMS TO THE LARGER MIXED USE AREAS ARE, ARE, ARE IMPORTANT FOR US. 
          THESE ARE JUST PRECEDENT IMAGES. 
          UM, THEY ARE MEANT TO CONVEY WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DESCRIBE TO YOU, EITHER VERBALLY OR IN WRITTEN FORM. 
          THIS IS A, A MULTI-USE TRAIL SYSTEM MOVING THROUGH THE BUFFER AREAS IN A DEVELOPMENT ZONE. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE HOW PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. 
          AND THAT THAT TRAIL NETWORK THEN LEADS TO THE AMENITIES OF THE PROJECT AND, AND IS CONNECTED TO THE LARGER LAND HOLDINGS. 
          BEYOND IT. 
          THIS IS JUST SIMPLY AN AREA OF ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THERE IS A MARKET NEED AND WE SEE THAT PRESENT IN, UH, IN EDMOND TODAY. 
          THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT DESIGNED, THEY'RE JUST SIMPLY IMAGES THAT WE THINK REALLY SHARE OUR VISION FOR WHAT AN ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT AND THE QUALITY THAT THAT COMES WITH IT. 
          UH, THIS IS CERTAINLY A WAY TO, UM, PRESERVE A LOT MORE OPEN SPACE WHEN WE CAN PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY INTO THIS FORMAT. 
          UH, CUL-DE-SAC HOME SITES, WE'VE HAD A LONG, AND WE HAD HAD A VERY, UH, GOOD DISCUSSION ON THE VALUE OF CUL-DE-SACS. 
          IN SOME CASES, PEOPLE, UM, FEEL LIKE CUL-DE-SACS ARE AN OUTDATED, UH, ARRANGEMENT. 
          I HAPPEN TO THINK THAT THEY REALLY ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT REDUCES TRAFFIC THROUGH TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S GENERALLY SAFER THAN A THROUGH STREET. 
          UH, IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO, UH, DESIGN A INDIVIDUAL, UH, COMMUNITY THAT MIGHT HAVE ITS OWN ARCHITECTURAL THEME, AND IT INCREASES PRESERVATION, ESPECIALLY IN THE SENSITIVE AREAS THAT, UM, OCCUR. 
          SO HOME SITES MIGHT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHERE WE INCREASE DENSITY IN SMALL POCKETS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE LARGER, MORE IMPORTANT ECOLOGICAL ONES. 
          UH, ACTIVE RECREATION IS CRITICAL FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM, BUT INSIDE THE PROJECT WE LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING AN ACTIVE RECREATIONAL CENTER, THINGS THAT PROVIDE A VARIETY OF RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THIS PROJECT, BUT ALSO FOR THOSE AROUND THIS PROJECT THAT WANNA BE PART OF IT. 
          THESE ARE IMAGES THAT JUST KIND OF SHARE OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD BE. 
          AND AGAIN, CERTAINLY NOT DESIGNED THIS FAR, BUT THEY DO CONVEY A, A LEVEL OF, UH, FUNCTION THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT HERE TONIGHT. 
          UH, ALL MIXED USE PROJECTS OF THIS NATURE WANTS, WANT AND NEED A GROCERY STORE. 
          SO THE AREAS THAT ARE DENOTED IN RED HERE ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE TRADITIONAL COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CATEGORY. 
          UH, WE WANT THAT TO BE EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN AND AROUND THIS SITE. 
          SO HAVING IT NEAR, UH, A GOOD ROADWAY IS IMPORTANT. 
          AND AGAIN, MORE IMAGES THAT SHOW KIND OF THE QUALITY AND CHARACTER OF WHAT WE WOULD, UH, PROPOSE. 
          COMMUNITY SERVICES ARE ALSO CRITICAL TO A HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL MIXED USE VILLAGE. 
          UH, WE SEE, UM, WE HAD A, A SITE THAT REALLY SERVES AS A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT COULD AND PROBABLY WILL INCLUDE A WELLNESS CENTER, UH, COMMUNITY POOL, KIDS ZONES, UH, COMMUNITY EDUCATION AND THE LIKE. 
          AND OF COURSE, PUBLIC SERVICES NEED TO BE, UM, CLOSE AND AVAILABLE. 
          SO THIS IS ANOTHER IMAGE OF BOTH WHAT WOULD BE COULD BE A COMMUNITY CENTER AND A SMALL FIRE STATION. 
          THE VILLAGE SQUARE IS A CRITICAL KIND OF A DESTINATION WITHIN THE PROJECT. 
          AS THE NAME IMPLIES, IT IS A SQUARE. 
          WE SEE THAT AS MORE OF A CENTRAL PLAZA THAT IS, UH, THAT HAS PARK LEG FUNCTIONS, BUT ALSO AS A PLACE WHERE WE CAN DO A LOT OF PROGRAMMED ACTIVITIES IN AND AROUND THAT SQUARE 
          [00:20:01]
WOULD BE RETAIL, DINING, CONVENIENCE, UH, USES ON GROUND LEVEL AND LIKELY OFFICE AND OR RESIDENTIAL ABOVE THAT, UH, FURTHER ACTIVATES THE SQUARE, MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN YOUR DOWNTOWN EDMOND. 
          WE LIKE THE HOUSING NEAR INTO THE VILLAGE BECAUSE THOSE PROJECTS THAT DON'T HAVE HOUSING TEND TO BE QUIETER AND LESS FUNCTIONAL IN TERMS OF, UH, VIABILITY. 
          THESE ARE IMAGES THAT SHARE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          UH, ONE OF THE, WE'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE DESIGN OF THIS ONE AND THE THINKING BEHIND IT. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT. 
          TOWNHOMES ON THE PARK. 
          SO GREEN SPACE. 
          I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE IMPORTANCE OF A LINKED SHARED, UH, TRAIL SYSTEM. 
          THERE'S ALSO A VERY HIGHLY, UH, DESIGNED GREEN, UH, SPINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROJECT. 
          WE'LL SHOW AN IMAGE OF THAT, BUT THESE ARE HOMES THAT WOULD THEN BE ON THAT GREEN SPACE. 
          AND IT'S A PERFECT WAY TO BE ABLE TO WALK OUTTA YOUR HOUSE AND ENJOY THE AMENITIES OF TOWN SQUARE AND GETTING TO THE GROCERY ON FOOT OR ON BIKE. 
          THIS REDUCES CAR TRAFFIC, OF COURSE, AND IT KEEPS PEOPLE FROM THINKING THAT THEY NEED TO BE, UH, THAT THEY CAN'T BE ON FOOT. 
          TOWN HOMES, OF COURSE, CAN LOOK A LOT LIKE A LOT OF THINGS. 
          THESE ARE IMAGES THAT WE FIND PARTICULARLY APPEALING. 
          THESE ARE PLACES THAT WE VISITED AND UNDERSTOOD KIND OF HOW THEY, UH, THEY WORK WELL. 
          PRESERVATION SPACE, UH, I MENTIONED THE SPINE OF GREEN. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY THE, THE LAND THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE INSIDE THE PROJECT THAT PROTECTS THOSE WATERSHEDS AND THAT SAVES THE MORE, UM, NOTABLE TREES. 
          THESE ARE ALSO IMPORTANT WILDLIFE CORRIDORS THAT MOVE THROUGH THE PROJECT. 
          AND FROM AN ECOLOGICAL STANDPOINT, IT MAKES THESE, THESE, UH, REMNANTS OF FOREST FAR MORE, UH, IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL, UH, IN THAT OPEN SPACE. 
          WE DO WANT TRAILS. 
          WE WANT PEOPLE TO BENEFIT FROM THAT ENVIRONMENT SENSITIVELY, OF COURSE, BUT IT PROVIDES PEOPLE A UH, THAT QUICK, UH, OPEN SPACE ACCESS. 
          SINGLE FAMILY IS ALSO A NOTABLE THING. 
          EDMOND IS WELL KNOWN FOR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS DO THAT IN A COMPRESSED AND COMPACT WAY. 
          UM, SOME MIGHT DESCRIBE THAT AS A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD STYLE. 
          WE LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS AN ALLEY FED, BEING ABLE TO PUT THE FRONT FACADES ON PARKS TO MAKE IT A VERY, VERY BEAUTIFUL PLACE. 
          THESE ARE IMAGES THAT, UH, WOULD HELP TO CONVEY WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          DON'T SEE ANY GARAGE DOORS FACING THE STREET. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, UH, NO DRIVEWAYS. 
          SO IT HAS A REALLY WONDERFUL IMAGE FOR THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, AGING IN PLACE. 
          SO PART OF THE VALUE OF A TRUE MIXED USE COMMUNITY IS PROVIDING, UM, PLACES TO LIVE FOR ALL GENERATIONS. 
          WE THINK, UM, THE WORD SENIOR LIVING PROBABLY ISN'T EXACTLY THE NEWEST TERM FOR, UH, AGING, BUT WE THINK THAT THERE'S A VARIETY OF POSSIBILITIES HERE THAT REALLY HIT A TARGETED NEED OF IN THE 55 AND OLDER GROUP. 
          UM, THERE'S ROOM FOR IT HERE. 
          UH, WE THINK THAT IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE ABLE TO, IF YOU ARE IN A COMMUNITY, TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THAT COMMUNITY AS YOU AGE. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO THE ACCESS TO A REALLY GOOD ACTIVE LIFESTYLE HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN ACCOMMODATED FOR. 
          THESE ARE IMAGES, AGAIN, OF ONES THAT APPEAL TO US, WHERE YOU HAVE A LOWER DENSITY, SOMEWHAT INDEPENDENT LIVING STYLE ON THE RIGHT TO A MORE, UM, ASSISTED CARE TYPE FACILITY ON THE LEFT THAT REALLY IS, UH, YOU KNOW, GREAT PLACE TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET THE CARE THAT YOU NEED. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE VILLAGE SQUARE ONE, WE HAVE A SMALLER VILLAGE SQUARE TWO, WHICH IS KIND OF THE CORE OF THE SOUTH HALF. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY TRIED TO DO WITH THE TWO SMALL SQUARES IS TO MAKE THEM UNIQUELY SIZED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE CERTAIN ACTIVITIES. 
          THIS VILLAGE SQUARE, UH, HAS THE BENEFIT OF ONLY TWO STREETS, SIDING THAT SPACE, MAKING IT, UM, SAFER FOR KIDS TO CROSS MAKING IT, UH, MORE OF A LITTLE BIT OF A FAMILY DESTINATION. 
          YOU'LL SEE SOME IMAGES OF, OF A PLACE WHERE THAT HAPPENS. 
          SO PROGRAMMED SPACE IS OFTEN GOOD, CREATES COMMUNITY. 
          [00:25:01]
UM, A LOT OF COMMUN OR IS A PLACE FOR A LOT OF COMMUNITY FUNCTIONS. 
          I MENTIONED TO YOU THAT NORTH, SOUTH GREEN SPINE, THIS IS A GRAPHIC THAT SIMPLY SHOWS HOW THAT MIGHT WORK. 
          THIS WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE A PATHWAY THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROJECT FROM NORTH TO SOUTH AND ON THROUGH AND INTO THE OPEN, THE PRESERVED OPEN SPACE SYSTEMS. AND THIS IS A WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN SIMPLY TAKE AND BITE OFF HOW MUCH THEY WANNA WALK OR BIKE WITHIN THE PROJECT. 
          AND AGAIN, ACCESS IS, IS FOR, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS FOR THOSE THAT LIVE HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS, UH, IN, UH, BOTH IN SIZE AND IN FUNCTION, KIND OF WHAT WE COULD ENVISION THAT, UH, TOWN SQUARE NUMBER TWO TO BE, WHICH IS A VERY PROGRAMMABLE SPACE. 
          THIS ONE HAPPENS TO HAVE A STAGE FOR KIDS, UM, SHOWS, MOVIES ON IT. 
          UH, FAMILIES GATHERED TO DO A VARIETY OF KIND OF BEING TOGETHER, BUT SOME OUTSIDE PLAY ZONES. 
          RESTAURANTS SPILL OUT INTO THIS SPACE, MAKING IT A REALLY FUN PLACE TO BE AT NIGHT AND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          SO NONE OF THIS IS ROCKET SCIENCE OR COMPLETELY NEW. 
          WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME LOOKING AT PLACES THAT WE THOUGHT WORKED EXCEEDINGLY WELL. 
          AND A FEW OF THOSE ARE PLACES LIKE CARMEL, INDIANA. 
          THIS IS, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT, AND IT IS IN THE ARTS, UH, DISTRICT WITHIN CARMEL, ITS PRIMARY ELEMENT OR AMENITY IS THIS LINEAR GREEN SPACE THAT WAS A RAIL TRAIL OR WAS JUST A RAIL LINE. 
          AND AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS FUNCTIONING, THIS WAS JUST ALL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. 
          NOW, THIS TRAIL, UH, MULTI-USE TRAIL AND PARK IS THE, UH, AMENITY THAT'S DRIVING A GREAT DEAL OF PEOPLE'S INTEREST TO LIVE IN THIS PLACE, BE ACTIVE IN IT, UM, HAVE ACCESS, UH, TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN AND AROUND CARMEL FROM THIS PATHWAY. 
          AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE NOTICED HOW WELL THAT WORKS AND HOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ATTRACTED TO IT. 
          AND NOT ONLY PEOPLE TO LIVE, BUT PEOPLE TO WORK. 
          UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF REALLY IMPORTANT BUSINESSES THAT HAVE RELOCATED TO CARMEL NOW THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. 
          SO WE'VE SEEN ALL THOSE ELEMENTS TIE TOGETHER AND MAKE IT WORK. 
          THIS IS ALSO AN INTERESTING PROJECT, THE VILLAGE AT BIRKDALE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY HAVE NOTED HERE IS, IS THAT A CAREFUL CONTROL AND ARCHITECTURAL, UH, DESIGN ALLOWS US TO CREATE THAT STREET SPACE THAT EVERYBODY ENJOYS. 
          NOT ALL TOGETHER THAT DISSIMILAR FROM YOUR DOWNTOWN, BUT HAVING THAT OTHER SPACE IN THE CENTER, THOSE CENTER MEDIAN AND PARK IMAGES REALLY CREATE A LIFESTYLE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALONG THOSE EDGES. 
          UH, HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL AND A FUN PLACE TO VISIT AND FUN PLACE TO BE. 
          UH, MUELLER, TEXAS, AGAIN, KINDA LOOKING AT THEIR SHARED OPEN SPACE SYSTEMS AND WHAT MAKES THAT WORK WAS, WAS ALSO A VERY GOOD STUDY. 
          THIS WAS ONE THAT WE, UH, WE STUMBLED UPON A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT YOU SEE THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE WHAT A COMPRESSED DEVELOPMENT ON A SPINE LOOKS LIKE WITH PRESERVATION ZONES ALONG IT. 
          AND IT'S PROBABLY IN AN ABSTRACT WAY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING. 
          ONE OF THE MORE NOTABLE ELEMENTS OF THIS PROJECT IS THE FOCUS ON ARCHITECTURE AND HOW THAT ARCHITECTURE HAS A GREAT DEAL OF VARIABILITY, BUT IT'S HIGH QUALITY, IT'S WELL EXECUTED, AND IT GIVES THE SPACE TO THE PEDESTRIAN BEFORE IT'S GIVING THE SPACE BACK TO THE CAR. 
          AND I GUESS THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS THIS REALLY MAKING THIS A HIGHLY PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, HANK. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          UH, A COUPLE THINGS I'LL JUST MENTIONED. 
          HANK KINDA SAID IT THERE AT THE END. 
          UH, THE DEVELOPMENT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IS SECOND TO THE LAND WHEN WE CAME TO THIS PROJECT. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR TYPICAL, UH, APPLICATION WHERE WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE'RE GONNA CRAM IT ON TOP OF THE LAND, BUT OUR IDEA WAS PEDESTRIAN FIRST, VEHICULAR SECOND, BUT SENSITIVITY, THOUGHTFUL, UH, ENGAGED WITH THE LAND AS FAR AS HOW OUR PRODUCT WOULD BE DEVELOPED. 
          AND SO THAT'S BEEN OUR COMMUNICATION. 
          ADMITTEDLY, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT IN EDMOND, UH, TO DO, UH, ZONING AND LAND USE LIKE THAT BECAUSE OUR ZONING CODE IS TYPICALLY VEHICULAR, UH, PRIORITIZED WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THINGS ARE DEVELOPED. 
          UH, YOU'VE RECENTLY SAW LIBERTY PARK AND YOU SAW THEY HAD A LOT OF VARIANCES WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT OUR CODE WORKS, NOT BECAUSE IT 
          [00:30:01]
WASN'T A GREAT PROJECT. 
          SO ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS WE WERE SO INTENSE WITH THE CITY STAFF WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE OUT IN FRONT OF OUR PROJECT. 
          SO WE SEE THEM AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          UH, OF COURSE THERE'S A NEW EDMOND ZONING CODE COMING, AND WE BELIEVE SOME OF THAT WILL BE BAKED INTO THIS, AS WILL THE DOWNTOWN STREET SCAPE STANDARDS THAT ARE BEING MODIFIED. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE REFERENCES TO THAT IN OUR PUD. 
          SO ALL THAT JUST TO BE PLANNERS, NOT REACTORS TO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN EAST EDMOND AS EAST EDMOND DEVELOPS. 
          AND SO, UH, IT WAS THE WORD I USED EARLIER WAS THOUGHTFUL, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE DESIRE, AND THAT'S BEEN OUR EFFORT UP UNTIL THIS POINT. 
          UH, WE HAD A COUPLE, UH, COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS MEETINGS. 
          I KNOW WE DON'T CALL THOSE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS ANYMORE. 
          YOU MAY REMEMBER THE CITY USED TO HOST THOSE, AND THEN THEY GOT SO CAUSTIC THAT THEY DECIDED NOT TO, UH, BUT, UH, THEY LIKE US TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY, WE CALL 'EM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FORUMS. WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY ON COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS. 
          AND SO WE DIDN'T WANNA GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE CITY. 
          UH, AND SO WE HAD ONE AT THE LIBRARY. 
          WE HAD ABOUT 43 PEOPLE THERE ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE 27TH OF AUGUST. 
          AND THEN WE HAD ONE ON SEPTEMBER 11TH AT THE HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER, ABOUT 23 OR 24 PEOPLE THERE. 
          AND SO, UH, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE ANYBODY'S THUNDER THAT'S HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROJECT FOR OR AGAINST IT, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SUMMARIZE, I'VE MENTIONED THESE TO A COUPLE OF Y'ALL. 
          UH, JUST TO GIVE, UH, VALIDITY THE FAIRNESS OF OUR DIALOGUE WITH THE, THE PEOPLE THAT CAME AND MET WITH US AT THE TIME AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP WERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR SENSITIVITY TO EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA. 
          THIS MAP JUST SHOWS THE PEOPLE THAT WE INVITED. 
          UH, THIS IS GENERALLY THE NOTICE IDENTIFIERS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT OWN LAND THAT RECEIVE NOTICE FROM THE CITY. 
          AND SO SENSITIVITY TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS CAME UP IN OUR DIALOGUE. 
          UH, YOU SAW IN OUR PUD, WE DON'T HAVE SENSITIVE BORDER REQUIREMENTS INTERNAL TO OUR DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE CERTAINLY DO AS IT COMES TO PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE EXTERIOR OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, UH, ADMITTEDLY THERE'S SETBACK REQUIREMENTS BASED ON VARIOUS, UH, USES RESIDENTIAL TO AGRICULTURE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY. 
          BUT IF YOU'VE SEEN FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT AND FROM THE WAY OUR PRESERVATION IS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF TOM MENTIONED IT, WE HAVE ALMOST 200 ACRES OF PRESERVED LAND THAT WON'T HAVE VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT IN THEM. 
          AND SO THAT CONCEPT OF SENSITIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORS IS CERTAINLY PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          AND I'M GONNA SKIP AHEAD REAL QUICK TO A SLIDE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S RELEVANT. 
          UH, WE MET WITH TWO GENTLEMEN WHO OWN PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          SO OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY GOES TO THE HALF SECTION LINE BETWEEN ANDERSON AND WESTMINSTER. 
          AND SO WE MET WITH A PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S, SEE, I GOT, I DON'T EVEN DO THIS. 
          DOES IT WORK TO HAVE A LASER POINTER WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY? ANYBODY KNOW WE'RE GETTING READY TO FIND OUT? NO, IT DOESN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AT THE TOP CORNER WHERE THE, UH, THAT SCAR ON THE LAND IS, UH, THAT'S A PHILLIPS 66 PIPELINE THAT'S COMING THROUGH IN BRUTALIZING OUR PROPERTY AND OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA. 
          AND SO I MET, UH, WITH, OR TOM BLALOCK MET WITH MR. STEELE, WHO'S ABOUT AT THE HALF SECTION LINE ON THE SOUTH, AND MR. IGO WHO'S AT THE NORTH LINE. 
          AND WE WERE ABLE TO DISCUSS WITH THEM KIND OF OUR COMMON ADVERSARY WITH PHILLIPS 66, THAT, THAT MASSIVE PIPELINE, WHICH SUPPOSEDLY IS TRANSPORTING JET FUEL FROM PONCA CITY TO TINKER AIR FORCE BASE IS A SIGNIFICANT EASEMENT THAT WILL PROHIBIT ANY DEVELOPMENT ALONG OUR WEST PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO THE GOOD NEWS OF THAT BAD NEWS IS THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC SETBACK, UH, FROM OUR WEST PROPERTY OWNERS, OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST WHEN IT COMES IN. 
          THIS IS A MORE GRAPHIC PICTURE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THOUSAND TREES HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT, BUT IT'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT AND IT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT FROM A GOOD STANDPOINT OF OUR ABILITY TO SEPARATE FROM THE NEIGHBORS WHAT ANY DEVELOPMENT WE DO ALONG OUR WEST PROPERTY LINE AND TO THE NORTH, AS YOU SAW IN THIS PICTURE. 
          SO SENSITIVITY TO OUR NEIGHBORS IS CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANT, AND I THINK YOU'LL HEAR SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, WE PROBABLY HAD A HALF DOZEN OR SO PEOPLE FROM LAKE AWA SHOW UP AT ONE OR OTHER MEETINGS, AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ADMITTEDLY ABOUT THE WATERSHED THAT EXIST OUT THERE AND HOW THE DRAINAGE PLAN GOES INTO THEIR AREA. 
          AND UH, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT BURDENS ON DEVELOPERS ABOUT HOW WATER HAS MOVED OFF YOUR PROPERTY POST-DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE DIALOGUES WITH THEM BECAUSE IT IS SIGNIFICANT, IT'S SIGNIFICANT TO US AS FAR AS HOW OUR PROPERTY IS MANAGED AND DEVELOPED. 
          AND OF COURSE IT'S SIGNIFICANT TO THEM GIVEN THEIR LAKE PROPERTY AND THE OTHER ASSETS THEY HAVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, I KNOW TOM HAS MET A COUPLE TIMES WITH, UH, COLIN BEVERLY, WHO'S THE HEAD OF THE HOA AT LAKE AWAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT DIALOGUE. 
          UH, THERE WERE CONCERNS, OF COURSE, ABOUT TRAFFIC AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT OUR DESIRE IS, AND I MENTIONED IT A MINUTE AGO, IS TO HAVE A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS INTERNAL TO OUR DEVELOPMENT. 
          PEOPLE WILL OBVIOUSLY WANT TO COME HERE GIVEN THE AMENITIES, BUT WE'D LIKE TO MOVE MOST OF OUR TRAFFIC FROM CARS TO PEDESTRIANS OR BIKES OR MAYBE GOLF CARTS. 
          AND SO THE IDEA OF WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE WILL 
          [00:35:01]
BE AN ONGOING DIALOGUE WE HAVE WITH THE CITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS APPLICATION. 
          OBVIOUSLY THE EXIT RAMP AT POST ROAD AND TURNER TURNPIKE, THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY GONNA BREAK GROUND IN THE SUMMER OF 26, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY A TWO YEAR PROJECT, WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON A LOT OF ARTERIAL ROADS OUT IN THIS AREA. 
          A LOT OF OUR DIALOGUE WITH THE CITY STAFF WAS ABOUT NOT WANTING LARGE RIGHT OF WAY, MASSIVE 200 FOOT WIDE STREETS, BUT MORE QUAINT, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY PICTURE AREAS LIKE ROSEMARY BEACH OR SEASIDE WHERE YOU HAVE A STATE HIGHWAY THAT HAS A 45 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO THAT WAS PART OF OUR DIALOGUE. 
          THE OTHER ISSUE CAME UP WAS TIMING. 
          UH, TOM BLAYLOCK SAID HE CAN'T IMAGINE US MOVING ANY DIRT, MUCH LESS ANY ACTIVITY FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS. 
          UH, I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 
          WE DID THE PUD FOR THE SAER PROPERTY TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, AND OUR PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS YET TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY OF EDMOND. 
          SO NOTHING HAPPENS QUICKLY. 
          AND THE SELL PROPERTY AT COLVILLE AND KELLY IS FULLY DEVELOPED AROUND IT. 
          ANOTHER REFERENCE POINT FOR YOU IS COFFEE CREEK. 
          THAT DEVELOPMENT IS 640 ACRES. 
          IT'S A SQUARE MILE. 
          IT TOOK 20 YEARS TO BUILD OUT, AND EVERY SINGLE ITEM OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITY WAS ON SITE THE DAY THEY GOT THEIR ZONING. 
          SO, UH, IT'S NOT A SHORT PROJECT. 
          THIS IS A 20, 30, 40, 50 YEAR PROJECT. 
          WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT OUR ABSORPTION RATES IN EDMOND, WE ABSORB ROUGHLY 500 NEW BUILDING PERMITS A YEAR, CITYWIDE ALL 130 SQUARE MILES OF OUR CITY. 
          SO THIS IS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL DECADE AND DECADE LONG PROJECT. 
          UH, ANOTHER FAIR COMMENT, AND I MENTIONED TO UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FOR A MINUTE IS, HEY, WE LIKE THAT'S YOUR PLAN, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR PLAN. 
          WE DIDN'T MOVE OUT HERE FOR THAT. 
          AND THAT'S A FAIR COMMENT AND WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          THE OTHER COMMENT WE HEARD A LOT WAS, WE KNOW EAST EDMOND IS GONNA DEVELOP AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL, AND WE'D RATHER HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S GOT A LOT MORE INVESTED IN SEEING THIS FROM START TO FINISH. 
          AND WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT OTHER HOLDINGS IN THE AREA THAN SELLING OFF 80 ACRE TRACKS AND SEEING EACH INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER COME IN HERE AND NOT HAVE A CONCERTED EFFORT AS TO HOW DEVELOPMENT MIGHT HAPPEN. 
          WE USE THE EXAMPLE OF COL AND ROAD BETWEEN SECOND AND DANFORTH WHERE THERE'S NO COHESION. 
          THERE'S THREE LANES AND FOUR LANES AND TURN LANES AND, AND THERE'S NO TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT WITH RESPECT TO A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT. 
          AGAIN, REACTING INSTEAD OF PLANNING. 
          THE OTHER COMMENT THAT WAS REALLY GRACIOUS AND KIND IS THAT, UM, THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO IN OUR PROJECT. 
          AND SO WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          WE ANSWERED, I THINK AS MANY AS WE COULD. 
          WE HAD FOLLOW UP MEETINGS. 
          I'M HAVING COFFEE TOMORROW MORNING WITH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, TO TRY TO ADDRESS CONCERNS AND TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS WAS, WELL, WHAT'S THIS PROCESS LOOK LIKE? SO WE WALKED THROUGH THIS IS JUST ONE STEP IN MANY STEPS BEFORE YOU. 
          SO THAT I THINK IS A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT I'M SURE PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEND TO THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION. 
          WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND WE'D APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSIONERS MIGHT HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. MCKENNA. 
          ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE APPLICANT OR OF CITY STAFF? YEAH, ACTUALLY I DO HAVE ONE JUST ON THE PRESERVING OF THE TREES. 
          UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE WANTING TO KEEP THE CURRENT TREES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO TAKE 'EM DOWN AND THEN REPLANT? UH, NO, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON TAKING DOWN ANY TREES AND REPLANTING. 
          AND IT'S FUNNY, I CAME UP TODAY, SOMEONE CALLED ME ABOUT A PIECE OF LAND AND, AND EDMOND HAS VERY STRICT REQUIREMENTS ON, AND THE COST TO REPLANT TREES GIVEN TO THE CITY'S TREE PRESERVATION IS PROHIBITIVE ON VIRTUALLY ANY DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT AS YOU SAW FROM ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT HANK HAD, OUR DESIRE IS TO BUILD AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE. 
          WE EVEN WENT IN OUR PED ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO IN OUR PRESERVATION AREA, AND WE'RE VERY SPECIFIC. 
          I THINK WE ALLOW SOME WAY FINDING SIGNS AND AND TRAILS AND THAT VIRTUALLY IS IT, THERE WILL BE NO VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT AND CERTAINLY NOT THE IDEA TO CLEAR CUT AND REPLANT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION THOUGH. 
          QUICK QUESTION ON THE, UH, THERE WAS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF, UH, 80 FEET, UH, INCLUDED IN THE P JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          UH, THE REASON FOR THE HEIGHT, UM, HOW DID THEY COME UP WITH THE 80 FEET? UH, ARE THERE OTHER SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS? UH, IN THE PICTURES? MOST OF THE PICTURES I SAW ONLY WENT UP TO ABOUT THREE OR FOUR STORIES. 
          I SAW ONE FOUR STORY. 
          I'M JUST, UH, I I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT. 
          UH, JUST IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT, I I THINK I WOULD ASK HANK TO ADDRESS IT. 
          UH, I'D GIVE YOU AN ANSWER THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE ACCURATE BUT NOT SATISFACTORY. 
          HANK, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT WASN'T IT 120 FEET? YEAH, FOR NON, I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S FOR, UH, THAT COULD BE A ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. 
          NO LIVING SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          OR DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY ABOVE THAT WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE OCCUPIED SPACE ABOVE THAT. 
          GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY. 
          SO YOU HEARD ME MENTION SENIOR LIVING, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE CASES THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR SOME HEIGHT THAT KIND OF GETS CLOSE TO THE 80. 
          PART 
          [00:40:01]
OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS THAT THOSE FACILITIES AND BUILDINGS FUNCTION BETTER WITH MULTI FLOORS AND THEY DON'T REQUIRE AS MUCH PARKING CLEARLY AS OTHER USES. 
          SO SENIOR LIVING, ESPECIALLY ASSISTED AND OR NURSING CARE, JUST DOESN'T REALLY NEED THAT MUCH OF A GROUND FLOOR PRINT. 
          AND IT REALLY HELPS TO BE ABLE TO STACK THOSE BUILDINGS FROM A, FROM A SERVICE STANDPOINT. 
          THE OTHER CHOICE, THERE WOULD ALSO MAYBE BE A HOTEL AT BEST, BUT WE'RE NOT THINKING THAT 80 FOOT IS A STANDARD HEIGHT AT ALL. 
          SAW FROM THE IMAGES ABOUT WHERE WE'RE LEANING IN TERMS OF OUR PREFERENCES, THOSE ARE TWO BUILDING TYPOLOGIES THAT MAY MOVE TO THAT LO TO THAT HEIGHT. 
          AND WE'D LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT IF WE WERE TO ACTUALLY MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          SO HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION ABOUT HEIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO SPECIALTY TYPES OF USES. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE 120. 
          UH, IN MANY COMMUNITIES, THINGS LIKE CHURCH STEEPLES OR CLOCK TOWERS OR LANDMARKS THAT HELP PEOPLE IDENTIFY WHERE THEIR COMMUNITY OR VILLAGE IS. 
          AND WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BIT OF A MONUMENT OF THAT NATURE, LIKE A BELL TOWER TO BE ABLE TO CALL OUT KIND OF WHERE THIS PLACE IS, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO FIND IT FOR THE FIRST OR SECOND TIME, BUT NOT ANY OTHER USE OTHER THAN A, THAN A, UH, LANDMARK SO TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER WINTER. 
          I'LL JUST MENTION ONE THING. 
          UH, I BELIEVE TOUCH MARK AT COFFEE CREEK IS FIVE, MIGHT BE SIX STORIES, BUT I THINK IT'S FIVE. 
          I THINK IT'S A LITTLE OVER 65 FEET AT THE TOP. 
          AND SO IF WE WERE TO DO A PROJECT THAT WAS ANOTHER FLOOR TALLER, THAT, THAT GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO COMMUNICATE. 
          IT'S NOT OUR PLAN TO HAVE A LOT OF LARGE PROJECTS PRODUCT, IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR A COUPLE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, I GOT ONE MORE THING JUST, AND IT'S KIND OF, IT'S THE DRAINAGE THAT'S, UH, A BIG CONCERN ABOUT THAT. 
          JUST WHAT'S, I MEAN, WHERE'S THIS GONNA GO? AND I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF GOING TO BE ADDRESSED LATER, UH, BUT I MEAN, ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS DRAINING ALL INTO LAKE AWA? I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY GOT ISSUES WITH SAND DRAINING IN THERE NOW. 
          WELL, UH, THE ANSWER IS PER EDMOND ORDINANCE. 
          IT WILL DRAIN AFTER WE DEVELOP IT EXACTLY LIKE IT DRAINS TODAY BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROHIBITED FROM INCREASING THE CAPA THE VOLUME OR THE SPEED OF WATER MOVING OFF OUR SITE AFTER IT'S DEVELOPED THAN IT IS TODAY. 
          AS THIS MAP SHOWS, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT, AND ONE OF THE EARLIER MAPS, AND I DON'T WANNA WASTE EVERYBODY'S TIME BY CLICKING ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH THERE, SHOWS THE SIGNIFICANT WATER FEATURES THAT MOVE ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF OUR PROJECT IN THE CENTRAL PART OF OUR PROJECT NORTH TO LAKE AWA. 
          SO ANYTIME WE COME IN WITH ANY STAGE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT OR WE'RE IN FOR PRELIMINARY PLATTING OR CERTAINLY ANY PLATTING, UH, WE'LL HAVE DETENTION REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MET AND SIGNED OFF BY THE CITY OF EDMOND ENGINEERING. 
          THAT SHOWS THAT OUR ABILITY TO MOVE WATER IS EITHER HELD ON OUR SITE SO IT MOVES OFF AT THE SAME RATE, OR IT IS NOT UNDISTURBED AND IT CONTINUES TO FLOW AT THAT RATE. 
          SO, SO WE'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR DEVELOPMENT IS, HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WE HAVE. 
          AND SO CERTAINLY WHEN SOMEONE THINKS ABOUT A PROJECT LIKE THIS, THEY THINK, WELL, OBVIOUSLY AFTER DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE GONNA BE MOVING TONS OF WATER INTO OUR AREA AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER QUALITY. 
          AND SO THOSE TWO AREAS WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE EDMUND UH, STORMWATER CODE. 
          I MEAN, KEITH BATES'S HERE, HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT THAN I'VE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT THAT'S OUR BURDEN, UH, AND THE ONE THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO COMPLY WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF OR THE APPLICANT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HEARING NONE. 
          MOVING TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHAT I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY IS PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS FOCUSED TO THE REZONING, NOT SO MUCH THE END USE OR STUFF THAT'S NOT PERTAINING TO THIS MEETING. 
          THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF STEPS BEFORE YOU EVER GET TO TRULY BUILDING PERMIT. 
          THERE'S SITE PLAN, THERE'S PLAID APPROVALS, ALL THOSE ITEMS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THIS IS STRICTLY REAL ABOUT THE REZONING OF THE LAND. 
          AND WITH THAT SAID, I'D BE HAPPY IF YOU WANT TO STEP UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ASK YOUR QUESTION. 
          WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS I'LL TAKE THE QUESTIONS HERE. 
          MR. MCKENNA AND HIS GROUP WILL ALSO BE WRITING DOWN QUESTIONS AND HE'LL ANSWER 'EM AFTER EVERYBODY'S PRESENTED AND HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS. 
          KEEP IN MIND, PLEASE, IF SOMEBODY'S ALREADY ASKED IT ONCE, DO NOT ASK IT AGAIN JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME. 
          AND, AND THEY'VE WRITTEN IT DOWN AND WE'VE WRITTEN IT DOWN AS WELL. 
          SO THANK YOU GUYS. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS TYLER ASHBY. 
          I LIVE AT 13 3 0 9 EAST 33RD STREET. 
          I AM ON TRACK NUMBER 18 ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE, I GET BACK TO CASEY BACK ONCE WHERE THEY'RE 
          [00:45:01]
YES, RIGHT THERE. 
          TRACK NUMBER 18. 
          SO, UM, I'VE, I'VE EMAILED MY CONCERNS TO COUNCILMAN MOORE. 
          UM, I'VE ALSO, UM, BEEN AT BOTH OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND, AND TALKED WITH THEM. 
          SO I CAN APPRECIATE THE, THE DETAIL AND THE EFFORT THAT THEY WENT INTO WITH THIS PLAN. 
          UM, I KNOW IT PLAYS RIGHT INTO THE CITY OF EDMONDS 2050 PLAN. 
          UM, WE MOVED OUT HERE IN 2008 AND WE BUILT TOWARDS THE BACK OF OUR, OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          SO OUR PROPERTY, OUR TRACK IS, UM, 290 FEET WIDE BY 13 DEEP, 1310 DEEP. 
          SO IT'S ALMOST A QUARTER MILE DEEP. 
          UM, WE ARE ABOUT 250 FEET FROM OUR HOUSE, MY BACK PORCH TO THAT BLUE LINE, UM, ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          AND YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP, YOU BROUGHT UP AUSTIN, UM, WATER FLOW. 
          IF WE GO OVER, WHAT IS THIS? SO THERE'S A BLUE LINE STREAM BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS THAT FLOWS DIRECTLY ACROSS OUR PROPERTY. 
          IT DRAINS FROM I 44, AND THAT PURPLE ARROW RIGHT ABOVE OUR PROPERTY ALSO DRAINS TOWARDS MY PROPERTY. 
          SO I GET ALL OF THAT RUNOFF FROM, AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS TO MY WEST GETS THAT RUNOFF FROM THAT HILL OVER TO OUR PROPERTY, AND THEN IT CUTS, IT GOES INTO THE CREEK, AND THEN IT CUTS TO THE EAST, FLOWS INTO LAKE AWASA EVENTUALLY. 
          SO MY, ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS IS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S GONNA BE CHANNELED AND DISPERSED AMONGST, YOU KNOW, OUR PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE WE'VE HAD THESE, YOU KNOW, 10 INCH RAINS IN A MATTER OF HOURS. 
          WE CAN'T GET OUT BECAUSE OUR PROPERTY IS AT THE BACK. 
          I'VE GOT A 36 INCH PIPE UNDERNEATH MY DRIVEWAY HALFWAY DOWN THAT FUNNELS THAT, THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CORE WHEN WE BUILT, AND IT'S NOT LARGE ENOUGH. 
          I'VE HAD WATER TWO FOOT OVER MY ROAD, SO I'M FIXING THAT TO GO WITH A 60 INCH CULVERT JUST TO HANDLE THE WATER THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BUT I'VE GOT SEVERAL OTHER, OTHER CONCERNS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE, THERE'S 645 ACRES IN THIS, AND BY DOING THE MATH, UM, WHEN YOU SUBTRACT THE 120 ACRES FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND THEN GIVEN THE APPROXIMATE 200 ACRES FOR OPEN SPACE OR RECREATION, THAT LEAVES ABOUT 320 REMAINING ACRES FOR POTENTIALLY UP TO 4,500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UM, TO BE BUILT ON. 
          SO THAT, TO ME, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING. 
          THEY, THEY DID ADDRESS THAT, THAT WAS UP TO 4,500. 
          BUT I, I STILL FEEL LIKE THAT'S A BIT EXCESSIVE FOR THE AREA, UM, PARTICULARLY AS THIS BEING ONE OF THE LARGEST DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA IN MOST RECENT YEARS. 
          JUST TO GO FROM BASICALLY ZERO TO TO THAT LEVEL OF, OF INTENSITY AND DENSITY IS A BIT ALARMING FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S OUT HERE. 
          WE'VE GOT, UM, NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA THAT HAVE, THIS HAS BEEN THEIR PROPERTY FOR 80, 80 YEARS PLUS, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT'S QUITE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR ALL OF US WHO WHO'VE BUILT OUT HERE. 
          UM, SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS I'VE GOT WERE, THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, WHICH I, I'M A TREE HUGGER, I'LL JUST ADMIT IT RIGHT NOW. 
          I MEAN, I'VE CLEANED UP MY UNDERBRUSH, BUT I PRESERVED, I HAVE PECAN TREES ALL OVER OUR PROPERTY AND I LOVE, I LOVE TREES. 
          EVERY TIME THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PASS OUT FREE TREES, CITY OF EDMOND, I'M, I'M ON IT, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN SPACE, BUT BORDERING THE INTERIOR, GO BACK, BORDERING ALL OF THE INTERIOR RESIDENTIAL ZONED AREAS EXCEPT FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE LOTS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S IN MY, MY NEIGHBOR'S. 
          UM, THERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF VERBIAGE FOR THIS SCENARIO OR, OR WORDING PUT INTO THE PUD TO WHERE THERE'S A SENSITIVE BORDER WHERE THAT RESIDENTIAL STRIP, MAYBE AS LONG AS THE GENERAL AGRICULTURAL LAND IS OCCUPIED AS A RESIDENCE, PERHAPS SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          UM, JUST AN ADDITIONAL GREEN STRIP ALONG TO THE NORTH. 
          UM, IF, IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING HERE. 
          BUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS HAS GREEN AROUND IT, WHICH IS GREAT, EXCEPT FOR THAT STRIP RIGHT THERE. 
          SO I'VE GOT SEVERAL NEIGHBORS THAT COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK I SPEAK FOR THEM ALSO THAT THEY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, MY FEAR IS THAT ONE DAY, AND, AND, AND THEY'VE TOLD ME THEY WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY LEGALLY HAPPEN AS A BULLDOZER GOES STRAIGHT ACROSS THAT, THAT TRACK RIGHT THERE AND JUST CARVE A SWATH OF, YOU KNOW, CLEAR CUT, UM, LAND. 
          AND THEY'VE REITERATED THAT THERE'S GONNA BE RESIDENCES IN THERE OF MORE THE, UM, CUL-DE-SAC TYPE DESIGN, AND THEY WOULD BE SKEWED MORE SO TOWARDS FRONT PORCH OR FRONT YARD, UM, FOCUS AND NOT SO MUCH THE BACKYARD, BUT THAT'S STILL, THEY, I MEAN, I COULD HAVE A STOCKADE 
          [00:50:01]
FENCE GOING RIGHT AT THE BACK OF MY, OF MY PROPERTY AND THAT'S MY BACKYARD WHERE MY, MY KIDS PLAY, MY DOGS RUN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT EVERYTHING FENCED ON MY PROPERTY. 
          AND SO, UM, JUST HAVING THAT POTENTIAL TO WHERE I'M GONNA BE SEEING THAT I FIND I FIND DISRUPTIVE. 
          UM, SO I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE SOME OF THE, SOME LANGUAGE PERHAPS INTRODUCED IN, IN THIS SCENARIO. 
          UM, SO POSSIBLY BRING THAT, BRING THIS BACK NEXT MONTH, UM, WITH THAT BEING ADDRESSED. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, I KNOW WE SPOKE ABOUT TREES, BUT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO NO TREES CAN COME DOWN UNTIL THE APPLICANT HAS AN APPROVED FINAL PLOT FROM THE CITY ON FILE. 
          IS THAT TRUE? WE'LL GET, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO ANSWER ALL THOSE AT THE END. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PERFECT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING THAT I'VE GOT CONCERNED RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU ALL WAY BACK? YEAH, MIKE, I DIDN'T WANNA TAKE WIFE'S TIME, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT THE ONE? YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE AND I APPRECIATE LETTING ME HAVE A TIME TO SPEAK HERE. 
          AND THANK Y'ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION, VERY INVENTIVE FORWARD THINKING, AND, UH, IT'S NICE TO SEE PEOPLE THINKING ALONG THOSE THOSE WAYS. 
          MY NAME IS MIKE SWAIN. 
          I'M SORRY, I NEED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. 
          I'M NOT REALLY A PUBLIC SPEAKER, SO DON'T HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT I DO HERE, BUT MY NAME IS MIKE S SWAIN. 
          I LIVE AT 1 76 WEST SHORE DRIVE, WHICH IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT, UH, AWA LAKE. 
          UH, I AM A HOMEOWNER. 
          I AM A, UH, STOCKHOLDER 'CAUSE WE ARE NOT AN HOA, BUT WE ARE A STOCK, UH, CORPORATION. 
          UH, THE RESIDENTS FOR EACH LOT THAT THEY OWN HAVE ONE SHARE OF STOCK. 
          UM, SO I AM A STOCKHOLDER, I'M A BOARD MEMBER AND I'M A, UH, OFFICER OF THE CORPORATION AS VICE PRESIDENT. 
          LAKE AWASA IS A, IS A UNIQUE, UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND WITH THIS PUD IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THIS ISN'T YOUR STANDARD PRAIRIE LAND AND YOUR OFFSETTING NEIGHBORS HAVE SIMILAR LAND TO YOU AS YOU DO. 
          THIS IS VERY UNIQUE, VERY DIFFERENT, AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE TREATED THAT WAY. 
          AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE CONVERSATION TO INCORPORATE WHAT THE LAKE IS, WHAT IT DOES, AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE AFFECTED BY, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, IT'S A, WE OWN FOR ABOUT 470 ACRES. 
          UH, THE LAKE ITSELF IS ABOUT 150 ACRES. 
          THE SOUTHERN PART OF LAKE HAE IS UN PLATTED. 
          WE CONSIDER THAT TO BE MORE WILDERNESS. 
          WE HAVE TRAILS UP THERE. 
          WE MAINTAIN WILDLIFE. 
          UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF MIGRATORY FOUL THAT COMES IN, UH, DUCKS, GEESE, UH, WE HAVE RAPTORS, UH, HAWKS, EAGLES. 
          UH, WE EVEN GIVE SOME, UM, UH, GOD, WHAT DID WE HAVE LAST TIME? UM, NAH, IT WENT BLANK ON ME. 
          I HERE, BUT, UH, UH, PELICANS, WE HAD SOME, A FLOCK OF PELICANS COME IN. 
          SO IT'S UNIQUE IN THAT WAY AND WE, WE TREAT IT AS WILDERNESS AND WE WANNA MAINTAIN THAT. 
          UM, IT WAS BUILT IN THE EARLY, LATE THIRTIES, EARLY FORTIES, UM, TO BE FISHING LAKE, LAKE, UH, AND WILDLIFE. 
          AND THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO KEEP IT. 
          UM, LAKE OW WASE, WE'RE NOT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT. 
          DON'T THINK WE'RE NOT A AN NIMBY OR WE DON'T WANT IT IN OUR BACKYARD. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT EAST EDMOND'S GONNA DEVELOP AND IT'S Y'ALL'S JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES RESPECTFULLY OF NATURE. 
          AND, AND THE OTHER, UH, RESIDENTS OUT THERE WE'RE DIFFERENT TOO BECAUSE WE'RE UNINCORPORATED. 
          WE'RE IN THE, IN OKLAHOMA COUNTY, WE'RE NOT PART OF THE CITY OF EDMOND AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN PART OF CITY OF EDMOND, THE NOTICE FOR THIS, FOR SOME REASON, WE WERE JUST AWARE OF THIS MAYBE THREE WEEKS AGO. 
          SO I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR FOUR YEARS. 
          YOU MAYBE THE STAFF'S BEEN WORKING INTENSELY ON IT FOR A YEAR AND WE'RE GIVEN TWO, THREE WEEKS TO DELVE INTO ALL THE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT ARE HERE. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE A VOLUNTARY BOARD. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE. 
          I'VE NEVER DEALT WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND AND THERE'S REALLY NO ONE IN THE ADDITION HAS DEALT WITH CITY OF EDMOND. 
          SO WE'RE FISH OUTTA WATER AND WE'RE 
          [00:55:01]
SCRAMBLING TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE NUANCES AND WHAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING AND WHO WE NEED TO BE DOING IT WITH. 
          UH, AND I KIND OF, THE FIRST MEETING, UH, TODD WAS THERE AND I STEPPED OUT EARLY THE MEETING AND INTRODUCED MYSELF AND I SAID, WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME ISSUES. 
          WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT. 
          VERY HELPFUL. 
          ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAS REACHED OUT TO 'EM AND WE WANT TO SET UP A MEETING AND VERY, YES WE WILL. 
          IT'S JUST TRYING TO HERD OUR CATS TO GET THE MEETING SET UP. 
          BUT UNTIL WE DO THAT, WE HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS AND IF THIS GOES FORWARD, WE THINK WE'VE LOST OUR ABILITY TO DISCUSS THOSE, THOSE ISSUES. 
          LET ME BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT FOUR REMAIN ISSUES. 
          THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE AND IS GONNA BE WATER. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE NOT SO MUCH FRESH WATER 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE CITY IS PROBABLY GONNA PROVIDE, UH, FRESH WATER TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND PROVIDE SEWER. 
          THAT'S A BIG RELIEF AND NOT DRILL ANY WATER WELLS OUT THERE THAT COULD DEPLETE SOME OF THE AQUIFER. 
          IT'S GONNA BE STORM WATER IT THAT'S COMING OFF. 
          AND LAKE HAE IS MAINLY FED AND KEPT FULL BY THE TWO STREAM BEDS THAT YOU SEE UP THERE. 
          THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS WHAT WE CALL SAND CREEK. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF SAND IN IT. 
          AND THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS BEAVER CREEK. 
          NOW THAT IS HOW WE GET OUR WATER AND THAT'S WHAT MAINTAINS THE LAKE FOREST IN ADDITION TO SOME SURROUNDING RUNOFF FROM THE, THE OTHER, UH, PARTS OF THE SECTION. 
          SO THAT'S OUR LIFELINE. 
          AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THE PUD THAT GUARANTEES US THE PROTECTION OF OUR LAKE. 
          NOW I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY SOME POLICIES AND THERE'S SOME PROCEDURES, BUT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THEM. 
          WE DON'T KNOW 'EM. 
          IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IT. 
          AND WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. 
          AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. 
          AND SO WATER, HOW WATER IS HANDLED, THE CLEANLINESS OF THE WATER, IT'S COMING OFF. 
          WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE RUNOFF. 
          WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE SILTING. 
          AND I JUST HEARD SOMETHING TONIGHT WHEN THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, WHEN THE PROJECT'S COMPLETED, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY MORE WATER COME OFF THAN ORIGINALLY DID THAT. 
          I'M THINKING, WELL, THIS PROJECT MAY BE I 8, 10, 20 YEARS. 
          WHEN IS THE DETERMINED FINISHED IN THE INTERIM THAT WATER AND AS THE OTHER SPEAKER BEFORE ME SAID THAT WATER'S GONNA BE RUSHING DOWN AND WITH IT'S COMING ALL THAT SILT AND THAT'S GONNA FILL UP OUR LAKE. 
          NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAVE A DAM THERE. 
          IT WAS BUILT LATE THIRTIES, FORTIES. 
          WE GET TOO MUCH WATER IN THAT DAM. 
          AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS, I JUST KNOW WHEN WE HAVE HIGH WATER IN OUR, UH, UH, LAKE, THE DAM CAN BE ERODED. 
          OUR SPILLWAY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT THE AMOUNT. 
          UM, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR SPILLWAY, TO THE DAM. 
          WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO PROTECT US WHILE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ONGOING? WE DON'T KNOW. 
          AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, WE WANT SOMEONE TO HELP US WITH ANSWERS. 
          AND THERE, I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE ON STAFF AND PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE EXPERTS THAT CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT AND GET US COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN DURING THE CYCLES OF BUILDING AND AFTERWARDS. 
          IT'S REAL SIMPLE. 
          WE HAVE TO PROTECT AND I HAVE TO PROTECT THE LAKE FOR, FOR ME, FOR THE STOCKHOLDERS AND FOR THE CORPORATION. 
          THE OTHER ISSUE IS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT BECAUSE WE HAVE MIGRATORY BIRDS AND RAPTORS. 
          UH, AND I WOULD IMAGINE SOMEONE WILL EVENTUALLY, I'LL UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'LL GO THROUGH AN EA OR AN EIS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SIMILAR TO A FEDERAL EA OR A FEDERAL EIS. 
          THERE MAY BE STATE REQUIREMENTS OR SOMETHING, BUT WILDLIFE FISH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL THE RESIDENTS AT LAKE AWA. 
          AND IN THE PUDI SEE NOTHING. 
          AND BECAUSE OF MY INEXPERIENCE, THIS MAY BE ADDRESSED LATER. 
          AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, GREAT. 
          AT LEAST I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED. 
          LEMME MAKE ONE OTHER POINT. 
          IF IT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED LATER, WILL WE GET NOTICE? BECAUSE WE'RE, THE NOTICE IS NOT REALLY HAPPENING UNTIL THIS PUD CAME OUT. 
          IF WE HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS EARLIER, EVEN A 
          [01:00:01]
YEAR, SIX MONTHS EARLIER, AND WE HAD ALL OF OUR ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS, I WOULD GUESS ABOUT A 99% GUESS IS I'D BE UP HERE SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS WELL THOUGHT OUT, BUT THERE'S SOME NUANCES TO IT THAT AREN'T THERE. 
          AND AS I SEE A PUD, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT SAYS, SHALL OR SHALL NOT, YOU SHALL BE ABLE TO DO THIS OR YOU SHALL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THIS. 
          IT'S THE WAY IT'S TO ME, AND WHEN I READ IT, IT'S A VISION WITH SOME SHALL NOT HEIGHTS AND A FEW OTHER THINGS, BUT IF APPROVED, IT'S LIKE A BLANK CANVAS. 
          THEY COULD SELL THE PROJECT. 
          ANOTHER DEVELOPER COMES IN AND CHANGES EVERYTHING WITH Y'ALL'S APPROVAL OF COURSE. 
          BUT IT'S NOTHING SET IN STONE THAT THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          KIND OF WHAT I WANT IS SOMETHING SET IN STONE THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO PROTECT LAKE KSE IN THE WATER. 
          THE OTHER ISSUE IS JUST TRAFFIC. 
          AND I'M SURE THAT'S GONNA BE HANDLED SUFFICIENTLY. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THAT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT AS BIG AN ISSUE FOR ME AS WATER. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER FOURTH ONE IS JUST THE BUTT, THE PUT ITSELF, AND I KIND OF WENT INTO THAT IS THAT I JUST DON'T SEE THE SHALLS AND SHALL NOTS. 
          I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE TEETH IN IT IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          'CAUSE I'M NOT VERSED IN PUDS AND I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE NEEDING A PUD OR WHY AREN'T WE GOING ON UNDER EXISTING ZONING. 
          BUT I UNDERSTAND MAYBE IT'S TOO MANY VARIANCES HAVE TO COME UP. 
          BUT THEN THERE'S NEW ZONING COMING UP AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. 
          I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, STORM WATER RATES QUALITY. 
          SO, UH, THE SILTING, THE FACT ON OUR DAM, DO WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR SPILLWAY? WHAT IS DEQ SAYING? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF DDEQ HAS BEEN, HAS COME IN AND HAD ANY ADVISORY IN THIS. 
          THEY'VE BEEN CONSULTED. 
          WRBI DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE COME IN AND LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT OUT HERE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S JUST A QUESTION THEY NEED TO BE, AND I'M SURE THEY, THEY EITHER THEY HAVE BEEN OR THEY WILL BE. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          I GUESS IN CONCLUSION, SOME QUESTIONS JUST BACK AT YOU IS, THERE'S NO REAL MEAT IN THE PUD FOR MY CONCERNS. 
          THERE'S NO AGREEMENT. 
          WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE, THE WATER DURING CONSTRUCTION? THE SILT FENCES DON'T ALWAYS WORK. 
          THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET REPAIRED. 
          WHAT RETENTION PONDS ARE GONNA BE NEEDED? WHAT CAN WE DO TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION? AND IT'S A CRITICAL SITUATION FOR US. 
          UM, TIMETABLE PHASES DON'T REALLY HAVE A CLEAR UNDER INDICATION OF THOSE WHEN ALL THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND WHEN DOES THE LAKE NEED TO PREPARE, BE PREPARED FOR A CHANGE OF THE STREAMS AND THE, AND AND THE RUNOFF AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. 
          IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, YOU CAN'T ANSWER. 
          YOU CAN'T ASK ME. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I, WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOT ALL THOSE LISTED, SO THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MY NAME IS REBECCA GRAHAM. 
          MY FAMILY OWNS 2016 SOUTH ANDERSON ROAD. 
          SO WE ARE HALF OF THAT ITTY BITTY SQUARE CUTOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THIS. 
          MY FATHER BOUGHT THAT LAND IN 1976 AND BUILT THE HOUSE FROM THE GROUND UP ROOFING A HUNDRED YEAR OLD SOLID WOOD FLOORS FROM THE BOYS BAPTIST TO, UM, MY CHILDREN TO THIS DAY ARE ALREADY PLANNING THEIR INHERITANCE OF THAT LAND. 
          SO WHILE MANY OF THE PEOPLE HERE HAVE LAND ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THIS, MY FAMILY PROPERTY IS IN THE CENTER OF IT. 
          WE'RE SURROUNDED BY IT. 
          AND LUCKILY I HAVE TALKED WITH TODD OR MR. MCKENNA SEVERAL TIMES, BUT WHEN THEY PRESENTED WHERE THAT COMMON SPACE WAS, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND ALL THE EXCITEMENT, THAT IS LITERALLY OFF 
          [01:05:01]
MY BACK PORCH. 
          THAT IS A LOT OF SOUND FOR A PLACE WHERE I HEAR, HEAR CRICKETS AND CICADAS. 
          WHERE I SEE THE QUAIL FLY. 
          UM, THAT'S PRETTY INTIMIDATING TO BE FIVE ACRES IN THE CENTER OF THE 600 PLUS ACRE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP, THIS IS A CITY OF EDMUND PLAN, BUT THIS IS JONES PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          THIS DOES NOT AFFECT EDMUND PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          THIS 400,000 POTENTIAL HOMES WILL ALMOST DOUBLE THE SIZE OF JONES PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          I'M ACTUALLY AN OCS GRAD, DIDN'T GO TO JONES. 
          MY SISTER DID. 
          MY FAMILY TAUGHT OUT THERE. 
          MY FAMILY'S FROM JONES. 
          BUT THIS IMPACTS THAT COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN MUCH PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF JONES. 
          SO AS YOU ALL CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THIS PATH, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIO CITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE SCHOOLS YOU WANT THESE CHILDREN TO GO TO. 
          YOU ALL MAY GET TAX DOLLAR FROM THE PROPERTY, BUT THIS SCHOOL HAS TO BE IN THE KNOW. 
          SO THIS IMPACTS MORE THAN JUST THIS BOARD. 
          YOU HAVE ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL, ANOTHER SCHOOL BOARD YOU DO NEED TO TALK TO. 
          AND I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS BRENDA AND I AM ON  ACROSS FROM ALDI, WHERE I BELIEVE HE SAID IT WAS. 
          BEAVER CREEK. 
          GOES RIGHT THROUGH MY BACK HALF OF MY PROPERTY. 
          THERE IS A RAVINE THAT COMES FROM THAT PROPERTY CUTS ACROSS UNDER THE STREET. 
          HAS A FIVE FOOT DROP IN THE CULVERT THAT'S GONNA COME RUSSIAN RIGHT THROUGH MY PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE FEEDING INTO LAKE EE. 
          ALL THOSE GRASS CLIPPINGS, ALL THE DIFFERENT CHEMICALS THEY PUT ON THEIR LAWN TO MAKE THE GRASS GREEN IS GOING TO BE CUTTING FOR ALL THIS. 
          I LIKE HAVING THE WILDLIFE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. 
          WE HAVE HEARD THE WILD FEET LION OUTSIDE THE DEER, OTHER ANIMALS, ALL THE WILDLIFE OUT THERE IS NOT GONNA BE, THEIR WHOLE AREA IS GONNA BE DISTURBED. 
          AND THEN, LIKE SHE WAS SAYING ABOUT THE SCHOOL, THE, THE ELEMENTARY DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR ALL THEIR PRE-K. 
          THEY HAVE OUTGROWN THEIR BRAND NEW BUILDING. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BUSES, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BUS DRIVERS FOR WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT. 
          JONES DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND NEITHER DOES ARCADIA FOR ALL OF THAT. 
          THOSE HOMES YOU'RE TALKING, THE ROADS CANNOT HANDLE THAT. 
          A FEW YEARS BACK WHEN WE HAD SOME FLOODING, IT ACTUALLY WAS GOING OVER THE DAM AT HI WASE LAKE. 
          WE COULD NOT GET THE BUSES THROUGH THE ROADS BECAUSE IT WAS FLOODING THE ROADS AND WASHING AWAY THE ROADS. 
          THERE ARE GOING TO BE TOO MANY HOMES THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THAT AREA. 
          WHEN WE ALL MOVED OUT HERE, WE WERE THINKING IF THEY, WHEN THEY FINALLY DO DEVELOP IT, TWO TO FIVE ACRE LOTS, NOT THIS MANY, WE DIDN'T COME OUT HERE TO HAVE NIGHTLIFE IN OUR FRONT YARDS, BACKYARDS, ALL THE CITY LIGHTS. 
          WE CAME OUT HERE TO GET AWAY FROM ALL THAT AND NOW YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON TOP OF US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRIS WHITE. 
          I OWN THIS CORNER. 
          THERE'S 90 ACRES UP HERE AT THE CORNER OF HIGH WASE AND 15TH STREET, WHICH MEANS THAT CREEK DOES RUN THROUGH MY PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT IS A SOLID SAND CREEK. 
          ANY MUCH MORE WATER MOVING THROUGH IT AND IT ERODES IT BAD. 
          AND YOU CAN DRIVE 
          [01:10:01]
DOWN 164TH OR 15TH STREET. 
          YOU CAN SEE WHERE LAKE HIGH WASE HAS WORKED HARD PULLING THAT WA THAT SAND BACK OFF UNDERNEATH THAT BRIDGE TO TRY TO KEEP THAT WATER FLOWING. 
          BECAUSE WITH WHAT LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE UP HERE. 
          WE GOT THREE OR FOUR, BUT IT FILLS UP WITH TRASH, THE WATER GETS UP, IT EROS IT, IT TURNS IT INTO SAND AND IT JUST PILES, PILES UP, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA BE REZONED AS ANYTHING BUT AGRICULTURE. 
          WE HAVE BEEN THERE, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN ON THAT 90 ACRES FOR OVER 130 YEARS. 
          WE WERE HERE DURING THE LAND RUN. 
          SO NO, I DON'T WANT MY PROPERTY REZONED. 
          I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER ANYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. 
          BUT I DO NOT WANT MY, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN HOA, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN BARS, NIGHTCLUBS, NEIGHBORS ON TOP OF NEIGHBORS WITH HOUSES THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN DRIVE THROUGH TOTALLY AGAINST IT. 
          BUT IT IS NOT MY LAND AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS IN JONES. 
          YOU KNOW WHERE MY TAXES GO TO LUTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW WHERE ALL THE TAXES ON HIGH WASE GOES, LUTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW WHERE THOSE KIDS ARE GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL JONES, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEY'D HAVE MILLIONS, THOUSANDS, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S IT GONNA COME FROM? IT'S GONNA MAKE LUTHER RICH. 
          ARE THEY GOING TO CHANGE THE TAXES? SO IT'LL GO TO THE JONES SCHOOL BECAUSE MY TAXES GO EVERY YEAR TO THE LUTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          AND AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST REALLY GOING TO DESTROY THE WHOLE WILDLIFE. 
          YOU KNOW, I GOT A GREAT HOR OWL THAT SITS BACK THERE ON THE BACKYARD ALL NIGHT. 
          POOPY. 
          I'VE GOT DEER, I'VE GOT 12 GEAR, I'VE RAISED TWO OF THEM. 
          I'VE BEEN, CAN GO OUT THERE AND PET 'EM. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY WILDLIFE AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY WANT IT ZONED ANY OTHER WAY. 
          I REALLY WANT TO KEEP IT AT WILDLIFE, YOU KNOW, SO I WANT IT AS AN AGRICULTURAL ZONING AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE FAMILY BURIED ON THAT PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY OVER HERE, JUST A LITTLE BIT SOUTH FROM ME THAT MY BROTHER SOLD HAS FAMILY BURIED ON IT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          YEP. 
          JUST A REMINDER, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING NEW TO THE CONVERSATION, NOT JUST REPEATING ANOTHER ONE. 
          SO THANK YOU TAYLOR WILSON. 
          7 4 8 DUNE CIRCLE. 
          I AM GONNA BE THE LONE BOSS PROBABLY AT LEAST RIGHT NOW TO SAY THIS IS GREAT. 
          DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA COME. 
          IT IS NICE AND VERY APPRECIATED THAT WE'VE GOT HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPERS THAT ARE PUTTING BIG DOLLARS TO TRY TO DO IT RIGHT AS OPPOSED TO PIECEMEAL STRUCTURES THAT COULD BE DONE HERE. 
          'CAUSE THEY OWN THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEY CAN DO WITH IT. 
          IT IS WITH THEY WISH, WITH THE AUTHORITY OF PLANNING WITHIN THAT STRUCTURE FOR WHICH THEY STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          THEY STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES, BUT I APPRECIATE IT BEING A SINGLE TO SINGLE STRATEGY AND A SINGLE OPPORTUNITY UNDERSTANDING. 
          THIS IS A DECADES OLD. 
          AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS ARE THEY MAKING SURE THEY'RE TEACHING THEIR YOUNGER PARTNERS HOW TO SEE THE VISION OF THE FUTURE BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FULLY LIVE THROUGHOUT THAT PERIOD. 
          NO OFFENSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? HI. 
          HELLO. 
          MY NAME'S AJ GRAY. 
          I LIVE WEST OF HIE, I MEAN EAST OF HIE. 
          UM, SO I DRIVE BY THIS PROPERTY AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT I KNEW THIS WAS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE SIGNAGE ON AWAS. 
          BUT I HAVE A MAIN CONCERN IS THE, UM, POPULATION DENSITY PROPOSED IN THE PROJECT. 
          UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF US WHO LIVE OUT THERE LIVE ON MULTI ACREAGE PROPERTIES, SO THERE'S NOT SO MUCH PEOPLE DENSITY OUT THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE MOVED TO THE COUNTRY TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY AND HAVE THE QUIET AND THE PEACE AND THE NATURE. 
          UM, LIGHT POLLUTION IS ANOTHER, UM, PROBLEM WITH HAVING THAT MUCH DENSITY IN THAT AREA. 
          [01:15:01]
AND I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT HOW DOES IT CHANGE PROPERTY TAXES? UH, THE REZONING OF THAT, YOU KNOW, AGRICULTURE, I KNOW HOW WE ARE TAXED ON OUR AGRICULTURE PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE IF YOU CHANGED THE ZONING THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY AFTER THE APPLICANT ANSWERS. 
          THERE'S NO MORE BACK AND FORTH, SO THIS IS YOUR CHANCE AT THE MOMENT TO SPEAK. 
          SO YEAH, YOU ONLY GET ONCE. 
          SORRY, . 
          ALRIGHT GUYS. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          THAT ENDS PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          NOW WE WILL GO TO EFFORTING TO ANSWER AS MANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS WE CAN. 
          MR. MCKENNA, DO YOU WANT TO START IT OR HOW DO YOU WANNA DO THIS? UH, I THINK I'LL, I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I HAVE A FEELING I'M GONNA DIVERGE TO THE ESTEEMED KEITH BEATTY HERE IN A MINUTE ON STORMWATER. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, SO I DID MY BEST TO TAKE NOTES. 
          IF I MISS SOMETHING, UH, PLEASE POINT IT OUT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS IT. 
          UH, UH, THE ISSUE THAT MR. ASHBY MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, OF SINCE THE BORDER OR A, A SETBACK ALONG OUR SOUTHERN BORDER THAT, UH, IS RIGHT NORTH OF HIS PROPERTY. 
          HE MENTIONED HIS HOUSE IS 250 FEET SOUTH OF HIS NORTH PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND AS YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE A 20% TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENT. 
          UH, SO WE BELIEVE WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY AND WITH THE TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENT AND WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING PROPERTY THAT IS GONNA BE DIS UH, DEVALUING OUR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL CONTROLS AS TO WHERE OUR TREE PRESERVATION IS, AS TO WHERE OUR PROPERTY IS ENHANCED IN VALUE BY HOW WE MANAGE TREES. 
          AND SO THE IDEA OF PUTTING AN ARBITRARY ADDITIONAL BORDER ON SOMETHING THAT'S IN THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW TODAY MAKE DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH RESPECT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT. 
          IF IT MAKES SENSE THAT THERE WAS A GOOD AREA TO DEVELOP AT THAT TIME, AND WE COULD USE IT IN AN ENHANCED WAY FOR EVERYBODY, AND WE HAD THIS IN OUR PD, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND MODIFY IT. 
          SO GIVEN THE SETBACKS THAT WE HAVE GIVEN THE, SINCE THE BORDER REQUIREMENTS THAT EXIST WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND TO ANY OUTSIDE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO COMPLY WITH AND WE VOLUNTARILY COMPLY WITH, WE JUST AREN'T WILLING TO ADD A, AN ADDITIONAL ARBITRARY NUMBER ALONG ANY OF OUR BORDERS. 
          UH, AS YOU SAW FROM THE HYDROLOGY, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT IMPACT WHERE WE CAN DEVELOP. 
          AND, UH, YOU HEARD HANK TALK ABOUT CUL-DE-SACS AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WILL, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT WHERE WE PUT PROPERTY. 
          UH, EVERYBODY CAN USE THEIR PROPERTY HOWEVER THEY WANT. 
          MR. ASHBY COULD BUILD UP ON HIS NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND, AND WE MAY NOT LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S JUST THE IDEA AS TO HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WILL HAPPEN. 
          IT WILL BE A PLATTED DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I'M GONNA BRING PLATTING UP A LOT IN MY ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS. 
          YES. 
          WHICH THAT DOES MEAN IT COMES BACK TO US AGAIN. 
          AND THERE'S A GENERAL YES TO COME THROUGH THIS AGAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE WILL BE NO, SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO SPEAK ABOUT. 
          AND I, I'M, WHEN MIKE WAS TALKING, I FELT BAD. 
          I I, I WISH MIKE AND I WOULD'VE HAD A CONVERSATION OR I THINK I GAVE 'EM MY CARD, BUT THEY'VE HAD MEETINGS. 
          THEY HAD A BOARD MEETING A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO. 
          UH, PROBABLY COULD HAVE ANSWERED SOME MORE OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL DO IT HERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL. 
          UH, MR. ASHBY ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS. 
          KEEP IN MIND THOSE ARE MAXIMUM NUMBERS. 
          OUR MAXIMUM DENSITY ON COMMERCIAL. 
          WE KNOW THE MARKET IS GONNA DICTATE A LOT OF THAT. 
          AND SO YOU COULDN'T DO ALL OF OUR MAXIMUMS . 
          IT JUST DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT AS FAR AS THE SPACE AND PARKING AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS. 
          BUT WE WANNA HAVE THE FLEX FLEXIBILITY. 
          WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE OF OUR PRESERVATION. 
          WE CAN ALLOW FOR GREATER DEVELOPMENT IN OUR NON-PRESERVED AREAS, WHICH ALLOWS FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MORE AFFORDABLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, NOT IN A WAY THAT IS GONNA CAUSE ANYBODY TO BE CONCERNED, BUT IS INTENTIONAL AND THOUGHTFUL AS TO HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          SO OUR MAXIMUMS ARE JUST THAT. 
          WE'VE RUN VARIOUS MARKET STUDIES VERY PRELIMINARILY. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO ANY OF 'EM. 
          UH, BUT A LOT OF OUR NUMBERS SHOW MAYBE HALF THAT MUCH, BUT WE'RE NOT WILLING TO REDUCE THOSE POSSIBILITIES BECAUSE IT MAY TURN OUT THAT THERE'S NOT ANY COMMERCIAL THAT WANTS TO GO OUT THERE AND IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL. 
          WE THINK THAT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY GIVEN THE CITY OF EDMOND'S PLAN. 
          AND I DO WANT TO SHOW THAT. 
          I THINK I CAN GET THERE. 
          I, OH GOSH, DANG IT. 
          SORRY. 
          I'M GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END BECAUSE THIS I THINK IS RELEVANT AND I'LL KEEP ANSWERING QUESTIONS. 
          REITERATE, UH, IN THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY, THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK FOR PLATTING ANYWAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHEN, UH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY BUFFER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, BUT NOT RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, MR. ASHBY ALSO ASKED ABOUT LAND DISTURBANCE PERMITS. 
          UH, THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS A POLICY THAT YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO A LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT UNTIL AFTER YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? MR. BEATTY? . 
          SORRY. 
          NO, NO, NOT COMPLETELY. 
          'CAUSE USUALLY WHAT WE WANT 
          [01:20:01]
TO HAVE HAPPEN IS THAT, LIKE ON THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, OKAY, AND NOT THE PRELIMINARY, THAT WAY THE GRADING ISN'T HAPPENING WAY OUT IN ADVANCE WHERE THERE'S A BUNCH OF RAW LAND SITTING OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO USUALLY ONCE, SO I, YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION RECENTLY, I, SO IT'S EVEN FURTHER OUT IN OUR PROCESS BEFORE YOU COULD EVEN APPLY FOR AND BE GRANTED A PERMIT TO DO ANY CLEARING OF ANY DIRT, UH, ON THE SITE. 
          SO SPEAKING OF PLATTING, SO THE PROCESS GOES LIKE THIS IF FOR, UH, EXAMPLE, WE'RE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ZONING THAT CREATES THESE BIG RAILS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO RUN ON. 
          UH, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SHALLS AND SHALL NOTS IN OUR PUD BECAUSE IT SAYS WE WILL COMPLY OR WE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE CITY OF ADMIN REQUIREMENTS IN ALL KINDS OF AREAS. 
          AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS AREN'T JUST POLICIES OR PROCEDURES. 
          THEY'RE ORDINANCES PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN OPEN MEETINGS AND THEY BURDEN EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY IN EDMOND. 
          DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO COME BACK BECAUSE WE GET THIS APPROVED AND WE WANT TO DO AN ELEMENT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A PHASE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY OF EDMOND THROUGH THE PUBLIC PORTAL PROCESS. 
          IT WOULD GO THROUGH ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT STAFF DISCIPLINE REVIEWS. 
          AND THEN ONCE THEY BELIEVE IT'S ADEQUATE TO MOVE FORWARD TO A PUBLIC HEARING, NOTICE WOULD BE PROVIDED TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THAT PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, THERE WOULD BE A HEARING, A PLANNING COMMISSION TO IDENTIFY WHAT OUR PLAT LOOKS LIKE, WHICH SHOWS EVERYTHING FROM THE SIZE OF OUR LOTS TO THE SETBACK TO THE DETENTION AREAS, ANYTHING THAT IS RELEVANT TO THE ACTUAL DIRT BEING TURNED INTO DEVELOPABLE OR SALEABLE LOTS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR MIKE AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY CONCERNED ABOUT WATER AND TRUST US, WE'RE AS CONCERNED, ANYBODY. 
          WE'VE GOT MORE WATER MOVING THROUGH OUR PRODUCT PROPERTY THAN ANYBODY BECAUSE OF WHERE WE HAVE IS WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS A BURDEN OF THE CITY OF EDMOND ONTO EVERY DEVELOPER. 
          AND IT WILL BE METED OUT DURING THE PLATTING PROCESS OR IF WE'RE COMMERCIAL DURING THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS, IF THOSE TWO ARE NOT GOING IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER. 
          SO THE IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS ZONING. 
          IT IS NOT PLATING. 
          IT IS NOT WHERE OUR DETENTION PONDS MIGHT BE. 
          IT IS NOT WHERE RETENTION MIGHT HAPPEN. 
          IT IS NOT WHERE OUR PROPERTY MIGHT BE CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL HAPPEN AT A PUBLIC MEETING, BUT WILL ONLY HAPPEN AFTER WE'VE GONE UNDER THE STRICT GUIDELINES OF THE CITY OF EDMOND ENGINEERING AND STORMWATER CONTROL DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THAT RULE IS WHAT I SAID TO COMMISSIONER CHER EARLIER TONIGHT, IS WE ARE PROHIBITED BY CITY ORDINANCE FROM ALLOWING WATER TO LEAVE OUR SITE AT A GREATER RATE OF SPEED OR A GREATER RATE OF VOLUME THAN IT EXISTS THIS VERY DAY. 
          SO THE FACT THAT SIX YEARS AGO LAKE EE WAS OUTTA WATER AND THEY COULDN'T GET THEIR BOATS OFF OF THEIR DOCKS WOULD BE THE SAME WAY IT IS AFTER WE DEVELOP, OR THAT THEY HAVE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WATER AND IT GOES THROUGH THEIR DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT SHOULD BE EXACTLY AS IT IS POST-DEVELOPMENT, AS IT IS, IS TODAY. 
          THOSE ARE THE ORDINANCES THAT KEITH BEATTY AND HIS OFFICE MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT JUST WILLY-NILLY. 
          OUR ENGINEERS HAVE TO HAVE HYDROLOGY STUDIES AND IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT IS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY OF EDMOND AND THE CITY OF EDMOND ENGINEERS LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT ASSESSES WHETHER OR NOT OUR ENGINEERS ARE CORRECT AND THEY TELL US, AND THEN WE COMPLY WITH WHAT THEY TELL US AS WE MOVE THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT MR. BEATTY? YES. 
          ONCE YOU SUBMIT THE DRAINAGE, WE'LL FULLY REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR COATS. 
          SO THE IDEA OF WHEN THAT HAPPENS, UH, IT'S NOT PREMATURE. 
          IT'S NOT PREMATURE TO DO ZONING BEFORE THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A PLATTING ELEMENT. 
          THAT IS A PLATTING BURDEN THAT HAPPENS AT THAT STAGE OF THE PROCESS. 
          IF THIS PROPERTY WERE DEVELOPED, ZONED LIKE THIS TODAY, UH, THE IDEA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WATER YESTERDAY WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON IT UNTIL WE GET TO THE PLATTING PROCESS. 
          BUT LEMME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR. 
          THERE'S NOT A SINGLE WORD IN OUR PUD THAT SAYS WE'RE SOMEHOW EXEMPTED FROM THE STORM WATER CONTROLS OF THE CITY OF EDMOND. 
          WE SHALL COMPLY WITH WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          WE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD IN ANY SORT OF CONTRAVENTION TO WHAT THOSE EXIST TODAY. 
          UH, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS MR. MIKE MENTIONED IS THE IDEA ABOUT NOTICE. 
          UH, WE GIVE NOTICE PER THE CITY OF EDMOND STANDARDS. 
          EVERYBODY, AS I SAID, WITHIN 300 FEET OF OUR PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE NOTICE. 
          WE HAVE TO GIVE A LIST OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT'S CERTIFIED BY AN ABSTRACTER. 
          WE DELIVER THAT TO THE CITY OF EDMOND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY SEND OUT THE NOTICE, UH, AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WHEN HEARINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN. 
          PLUS WE HAVE TO DO SIGNAGE ON THE SITE. 
          UH, AS I BELIEVE, UH, MRS. GREEN JUST SAID SHE SAW A SIGN, WE PUT UP NINE SIGNS AROUND THIS PROPERTY THAT HAD MY NAME AND MY TELEPHONE NUMBER ON THEM THAT MENTIONED THE DATES OF OUR HEARINGS. 
          [01:25:01]
AND WERE REQUIRED TO DO THAT AT DIFFERENT TIMES IF IT'S REQUIRED PER THE CITY OF EDMOND ORDINANCE. 
          UH, THE IDEA OF, YOU MENTIONED MIKE MENTIONED WATER. 
          I SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT POLICIES THAT ARE NOT PROCEDURES, THEY'RE ORDINANCES. 
          IT'S NOT JUST AN IDEA THAT KEITH COMES UP WITH. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY OF EDMOND CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, THE IDEA OF TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC IS AN ELEMENT THAT TAKES PLACE AT PLANNING OR SITE PLANNING. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO DELIVER TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO THE CITY BY CERTIFIED ENGINEERS TO SHOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IS AN ISSUE OUT HERE. 
          WE KNOW THAT. 
          WE KNOW THAT'S A PROBLEM TODAY, AND WE KNOW THAT PART OF OUR PROJECT WILL REQUIRE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND IN SOLVING THOSE PROBLEMS. CERTAINLY YOU, IT'S DIFFICULT. 
          I DROVE DOWN ANDERSON THE OTHER DAY TO PUT OUT A NOTICE AS TO WHERE OUR SIGNS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT A GOOD, NOT A GOOD ROAD. 
          WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES OF OKLAHOMA COUNTY AT OUR COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS MEETINGS. 
          I BELIEVE THEY HANDED OUT SOME CARDS AND TALKED TO SOME DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 
          THEY CAME BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND IT'S AN ELEMENT GOING FORWARD. 
          UH, A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS, I THINK, UH, MR. UH, THAT MIKE MENTIONED IS WHAT THE TIMETABLE IS AND PHASES. 
          THOSE ARE GONNA BE DRIVEN BY THE MARKET. 
          UH, I MENTIONED THE SAUR PROPERTY AT COVAL AND KELLY, THAT'S MAINE AND MAINE, AND IT'S BEEN, LIKE I SAID, TWO AND A HALF YEARS SINCE WE HAVE IT ZONED. 
          AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A SINGLE COMMERCIAL ELEMENT COME OUTTA THE GROUND THERE YET. 
          AND IT'S MUCH MORE FAR ALONG THAN THIS PROJECT. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS BEFORE YOU SEE A WHOLE LOT OF ACTIVITY, MAYBE ANY VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL TAKE PLACE OUT THERE. 
          UH, REBECCA AND SHE AND I ARE FRIENDS. 
          WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER. 
          SHE MENTIONED, AND I APOLOGIZE, I HAD IT CIRCLED, UH, NO PICKLEBALL OUTSIDE HER BACK DOOR. 
          UH, WE HEARD THAT , UH, AND YOU SAW IN OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AROUND HER PROPERTY, IT'S, IT'S ALL GREEN IN THE PRESERVATION AREA, BUT THAT'LL BE A SITE PLAN OR A, A PLATTING ISSUE. 
          AND WE'LL CERTAINLY BE SENSITIVE TO THAT AT THE TIME. 
          UH, THE, THE CONCERN ABOUT JOAN SCHOOLS THAT CAME UP AT OUR FIRST COMMUNITY CONNECTION, UH, I BELIEVE, AND I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA SAY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ACCURATE, BUT AVALOR DOLLARS GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHERE YOU LIVE. 
          SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF LUTHER SCHOOLS OUT HERE AND A WHOLE LOT OF JONES SCHOOLS. 
          AND SO THERE IS AN IMPACT ON THE JONES SCHOOLS. 
          THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE AVALOR BASE. 
          IF THERE WERE THIS WERE TO BE BUILT OUT. 
          I MEAN, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WOULD BE INCREASED AS TO THE AVALOR BASE FOR JONES SCHOOLS. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT A DIALOGUE FOR Y'ALL OR FOR US NECESSARILY. 
          BUT I BELIEVE IF YOU LIVE IN THE DISTRICT, THAT'S WHERE YOUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS GO AS OPPOSED TO, TO A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          CHRIS WHITE HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING. 
          I I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE EDMOND PLAN VERTICALLY INTEGRATED AS FAR AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND. 
          UH, THESE VERTICAL GRAPHS SHOW WHERE THERE IS ECONOMY TO DRIVE EDMOND'S FUTURE REVENUE TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PUBLIC SERVICES THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND REQUIRES. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DIDN'T CREATE THIS, WE WORKED ALONGSIDE THE CITY, BUT THE SIGNIFICANT VERTICAL ELEMENT THAT'S GOT ROUTE 66 WRITTEN ON IT IS OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND THE IDEA THAT THE CITY OF EDMOND CAN CONTINUE TO DEVELOP EAST OF I 35 WITH FIVE AND 10 ACRE LOTS, AND STILL PROVIDE THE ECONOMICS AND THE REVENUE TO PAY FOR SERVICES, THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS DECIDED THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          AND SO THERE ARE ELEMENTS AT PART OF OUR LONG RANGE PLANNING THAT ARE 10, 15 YEAR PLANS THAT ARE PUT TOGETHER BY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OVER THOUSANDS OF HOURS TO PROJECT HOW THAT MIGHT BE. 
          AND SO WE'VE WORKED ALONGSIDE THEM. 
          WE DON'T DICTATE THAT, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY PART OF THAT PROCESS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT, BASED ON THE CITY OF EDMOND'S PROCEDURES AND POLICIES AND PRIORITIES, IT WILL NOT ALL BE AG LAND INTO THE FUTURE. 
          SO IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT SENSITIVE, IT JUST MEANS THAT'S THE REALITY OF DEVELOPMENT MOVING EAST. 
          AND AND I THINK ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING, AND THIS IS I THINK IS CANNOT BE STATED. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN AND MANAGE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS LIKE WATER, LIKE THE MOVEMENT OF WILDLIFE, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A HOLISTIC DEVELOPMENT OF 640 PLUS ACRES AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE THAT DOES CUT 80 ACRES AND MOVES IN WITHOUT AN INTEGRATED PLANET FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND AND I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA ABOUT WILDLIFE AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS AT LAKE AWA. 
          THEY'RE SOME OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE SQUARE FOOTAGE REAL ESTATE IN EDMOND IS IN LAKE AWA. 
          AND THERE ARE HOUSES THAT USED TO BE RAW LAND. 
          AND THAT'LL HAPPEN IN ALL KINDS OF PLACES OUT HERE. 
          AND WE WILL BE SENSITIVE TO HOW THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE WE WILL COMPLY, WE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, THE LAST COMMENT, I THINK, UH, THAT MRS. GREEN SAID IS CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, LIGHT POLLUTION AND PROPERTY TAXES. 
          WHEN WE COME IN FOR DEVELOPMENT, THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS STRICT ORDINANCES REGARDING LIGHT POLLUTION, ILLUMINATION STANDARDS, WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT INSTALL WHAT THE LIGHT SPILLAGE IS OFFSITE OR EVEN OUTSIDE THE BOX. 
          UH, WE'LL COMPLY WITH THOSE AT SITE PLANNING OR PLANNING. 
          [01:30:01]
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, AND IT'S REALLY NOT FOR Y'ALL, BUT I THINK IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD QUESTION, IS WHAT ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES? WELL, AS YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO, THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA CITIZENS PASSED A STATE CONSTITUTION AMENDMENT THAT SAYS WE CAN'T HAVE OUR PROPERTY TAXES INCREASE BY MORE THAN 3% PER YEAR IF IT'S AG OR RESIDENTIAL LAND, OR 5% IF IT'S COMMERCIAL. 
          OUR PROPERTY CHANGING IN PROPERTY VALUES WILL NOT IMPACT THAT CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATION ON PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY VALUES GOING FORWARD BEYOND WHAT THAT CAP IS. 
          SO YEAH, PROPERTY'S GONNA GO UP IN VALUE, IT'LL GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY IN VALUE, BUT IT WILL GO UP ONLY 3% PER YEAR IN THE TAX ASSESS VALUE PER THE OKLAHOMA STATE CONSTITUTION. 
          SO I THINK I TRIED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER BLUNDELL, IF I MISSED ONE. 
          NO, I THINK YOU DID EVERYTHING THAT I GOT, UH, LISTED HERE, SO I APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE APPLICANT TEACHER, NOT, NOT OUR BUSINESS HERE, BUT UH, HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE JONES PUBLIC SCHOOL JUST TO GIVE HIM A NOTICE? I I HAVE NOT TOLD HIM. 
          IF YOU TALKED TO THE MIC, WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO JONES PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          I HAVE A FEELING WHAT I TOLD, UH, SOMEBODY AT THE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT OR THE, THE 11TH, WHATEVER NIGHT THAT WAS, IS THAT IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED AT CITY COUNCIL IN OCTOBER, WHEN WE GO NEXT, SOME OF OUR VERY NEXT CONVERSATIONS ARE GONNA BE WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND AND THE OTHER SURROUNDING IMPACTED ACTIVITY OR ORGANIZATIONS. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT, IT'S HARD TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO. 
          BUT THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WINTER, THAT'S ON OUR LIST. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE THOUGHTFULNESS. 
          I'VE, WE'VE SEEN SO MANY OF THESE AND NOTHING OF THIS SCALE OR SIZE. 
          AND, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE WELL IT APPEARS TO BE WELL THOUGHT OUT, INCLUDING THE GREEN SPACES. 
          SO THANK YOU JUST FOR THE, THE HOLISTIC APPROACH, WHICH HAS BEEN ECHOED HERE TONIGHT. 
          WITH THAT SAID, I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THIS TO A VOTE. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A SECOND BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ONE THAT IS APPROVED AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 13TH, 2025. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MOVING ON TO CITIZENS' COMMENTS. 
          THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON PLANNING COMMISSION RELATED MATTERS, NOT ON THE AGENDA OR SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ALL REMARKS MUST BE DIRECTED AT THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING, ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS, AND MUST OTHERWISE BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY RULES. 
          UH, ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MANNER THERE? SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE CLOSED THERE. 
          AND MOVING TO ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR OR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SEEING NONE, I HAVE NONE THAT, UH, MOVING ON TO ADJOURN. 
          LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. 
          SO MOVED. 
          WE HAVE A FIRST, A MOTION, SECOND, SECOND, SECOND AND A SECOND BY A VOTE FOR ZERO. 
          THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.