[1. Call to Order of the Edmond City Council Meeting.]
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ALL RIGHT, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE HERE THIS EVENING.[A. Presentation of a Proclamation Recognizing October 2025 as Pedestrian Safety Month in the City of Edmond. ]
ITEM TWO PRESENTATIONS.IT'S A PRESENTATION OF PROCLAMATION, RECOGNIZING OCTOBER, 2025 IS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MONTH IN AT, IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.
WHEREAS THE CITY OF EDMOND IS COMMITTED TO THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF ALL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.
AND WHEREAS PEDESTRIANS PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN THE LIFE OF OUR CITY BY CONTRIBUTING TO ITS VIBRANCY, ECONOMIC VITALITY, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, AND SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY THAT REQUIRES THE COOPERATION OF ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, AND MOTORISTS.
AND WHEREAS RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND PROMOTING SAFE PRACTICES FOR ALL ROAD USERS CAN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS, INJURIES, AND FATALITIES ON OUR STREETS, TRAILS, AND COMMUNITY.
AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN SIDEWALKS, MULTI-USE TRAILS AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENSURE THAT RESIDENTS AND VISITORS CAN NAVIGATE OUR CITY SAFELY AND CONFIDENTLY, KNOWING THAT SAFETY IS A TOP PRIORITY.
AND WHEREAS DESIGNATING OCTOBER 9TH THROUGH NOVEMBER 17TH AS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MONTH PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY THROUGH OUTREACH, COMMUNITY EVENTS, AND EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGNS.
NOW, THEREFORE, I MARK A. NASH MAYOR, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER, 2025 AS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MONTH IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.
I TRIED TO GET HER TO TALK, BUT SHE SAID SHE'S A BICYCLIST.
[3. Appointments and Reappointments:]
MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE, APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS.THIS EVENING, WE HAVE SEVEN TOTAL.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MOVE APPROVAL.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[4. Recess of the Edmond City Council Meeting and Call to Order of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting.]
ITEM FOUR, RECESS OF THE CITY OF EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND CALL TO ORDER THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[5. Public Works Authority General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Public Works Authority. Members of the Public Works Authority may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]
NOW IN PUBLIC WORKS.ITEM FIVE, PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY.
GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PULL ITEM C AS WELL AS ITEM E FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, NOT ITEM FIVE, A, B, AND D.
[A. Consideration of Public Works Authority General Consent Agenda Items Pulled for Separate Discussion and/or Action.]
WE'RE NOW ON ITEM SIX, PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY DISCUSSION.CONSIDERATION ITEMS. ITEM A IS THE ONES THAT WE PULLED.
WE'LL START WITH ITEM C, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL TO USE FUEL MAN FLEET CARDS FOR PURCHASING FUEL FOR CITY EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND C LINK BUSES FROM STATE CONTRACT SW 0 1 0 1 DASH A ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST OF $380,000.
UM, COUNCILMAN FRAME, YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE, JUST ONE SINCE WE ARE APPROVING THIS, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S NOT HUGE IN TERMS OF BUDGETARY ITEMS, BUT 380,000 IS A DECENT EXPENDITURE WITH OVER 200 FUEL MAN CARDS.
LIKE SOMEBODY, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO ADDRESS THE INTERNAL CONTROL ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHO WOULD, UH, WHO WANTS TO RESPOND TO THAT? KEITH? THINK YOU'RE ELECTED.
I MEAN, DOES IT, I'M, I'M SURE FUELMAN, LIKE A LOT OF THESE HAS, WHETHER IT'S EXPENSIFY OR SOME SOFTWARE THAT IDENTIFIES FLEET VEHICLE NUMBER MILE.
WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT ALL'S INVOLVED IN THAT? WELL, UM, KEITH STEWART, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, UH, BOBBY MASTERSON, WHO IS THE FATHER OF THIS ITEM, WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
SO I WILL ATTEMPT, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
UH, WE HAVE THREE DEPARTMENTS PRIMARILY THAT UTILIZE THE
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FUEL MAN CARDS THAT THOSE 200 CARDS ARE DISTRIBUTED TO.AND THEIR INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS ARE, UM, BUDGETED FOR FUEL.
THE 82 82 0 8 ACCOUNTS IS WHERE OUR FUEL BUDGETS COME FOR EACH DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WHEN THESE CARDS ARE USED, THOSE BUDGET ACCOUNTS WILL, WILL RECEIVE A STATEMENT.
AND, AND THERE'S A 5%, UM, REBATE THAT COMES WITH THAT FOR USE OF THE CARD.
IT'S A NATIONWIDE, UM, ESTABLISHED RATE.
AND SO THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS ARE THEN CHARGED FOR THAT FUEL.
IT'S SIMILAR TO HOW WE CHARGE THE DEPARTMENTS WHEN THEY'RE FUELED OUT AT CROSS TIMBERS THROUGH OUR, THROUGH OUR FUEL SYSTEM.
UM, I DON'T, THEY, THEY DO NOT PUT IN VEHICLE NUMBERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE DO THAT THROUGH OUR, OUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UH, MS. MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE C.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
COUNCIL MEMBER MAGGIE MURDOCH NICHOLS HAS RECUSED HERSELF FROM THIS ITEM, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE PULLED IT.
SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, WE COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
SECOND MAYOR, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[B. Discussion and Consideration of the Amended and Restated Development and Financing Assistance Agreement with Townsend Courts, LLC for Development of a Mixed-Use Townhouse Neighborhood in Downtown Edmond Located at East 3rd Street and West of South Littler. (Ward 1)]
ITEM SIX, PUBLIC WORKS.UH, SIX B IS DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDED AND RESTATED DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCING ASSISTANCE AGREEMENT WITH TOWNSEND COURTS LLC FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A MIXED USE TOWNHOUSE NEIGHBORHOOD IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND, LOCATED AT EAST THIRD STREET AND WEST OF SOUTH LITTLER.
UH, LENA DOZIER IS ADDRESSING THIS ONE FOR US.
HOW ARE YOU? UM, JUST A ITEM OF HOUSEKEEPING.
THE AMENDED DEADLINES WERE CALCULATED FROM THE ORIGINAL EFFECTIVE DATE.
THE AGREEMENT THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET, AND THAT WAS PUBLISHED LAST WEEK, UM, HAS, UM, IT DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE ORIGINAL DATE, THE NEW SCANNED AGREEMENT, UM, SIGNED AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL BE PUTTING IN YOUR PACKET DOES HAVE THE DATE SIX MONTHS OUT FROM THE ORIGINAL EFFECTIVE DATE OF MARCH 10TH OF 25.
SO WHAT THIS AMENDED AND RESTATED AGREEMENT DOES IS EXTEND THE TIME TO START, UH, COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION SIX MONTHS FROM, UM, THE MARCH DATE THAT IS IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, UM, AND PUSHES BACK SUBSEQUENT, UM, PHASES FOR EACH PROJECT.
UM, FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, AUSTIN SNELL WITH THE TOWNSEND IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I THINK THE, UH, REVISED DATE ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT, COUNSEL.
UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD ON THAT THE PACKET DIDN'T SAY THE REASON FOR THE DELAY.
SO JUST IF YOU MAY, THE PUBLIC'S WONDERING, I GUESS, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE DRIVER? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
WOULD YOU MIND IF AUSTIN NELSON UP AND SPOKE TO IT? SURE.
OKAY, I WILL KEEP THIS SHORT, BUT GLAD TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOU.
UH, WE HAD OUR ORIGINAL TIFF AGREEMENT, UH, APPROVED IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
AND WITH THAT THERE WERE TWO TRIGGERS FOR, IT WAS SIX MONTH.
WE HAD TO START CONSTRUCTION WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, OR THREE MONTHS OF THE ORIG, THE FIRST APPROVED BUILDING PERMIT, WHICHEVER WAS LADDER.
WE GOT OUR SITE APPROVAL IN JUNE AND WORRIED THAT OUR PERMITS MIGHT TAKE A LONG TIME.
WE SUBMITTED THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND THEN THEY CAME BACK IN JULY, UH, ON OUR FIRST SUBMISSION.
AND SO THAT STARTED THE CLOCK EARLIER THAN WE'D HOPED.
KIND OF A FUNNY BACKWARDS WAY TO GET INTO THIS SITUATION.
UM, BUT WHERE WE'RE AT NOW IS WE'VE BEEN WORKING EXTREMELY HARD.
UH, THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO TO MAKE IT GO FASTER.
WE ARE CURRENTLY IN UNDERWRITING WITH THE BANK.
WE HAVE ALMOST ALL OF OUR BUILDING PERMITS APPROVED FOR PHASE ONE.
AND MY HOPE IS TO BREAK OUT WITHIN THIS YEAR.
ONE QUICK DESIGN DOCS AND EVIDENCE OF FINANCING.
THAT'S DUE WHEN? AT COMMENCEMENT OR, UH, I, BUT THE, WHAT IS THE TERM DESIGN DOCUMENTS? UHHUH.
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WE HAVE THOSE WITH OUR SITE PLAN APPROVED, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET OUR SITE PLAN APPROVED AND THEN WE SUBMIT FOR BUILDING PERMITS, WHICH WE HAVE ALL THOSE AS WELL.I THINK WE HAVE ALL APPROVALS WE NEED FROM THE CITY TO START NOW.
I THOUGHT EVIDENCE OF FINANCING WAS WITH DESIGN DOCUMENTS.
YEAH, WELL, WE, WE HAVE YOU, YOU GET A TERM SHEET FROM A BANK PRETTY EARLY ON, WHICH WE'VE HAD FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, BUT BY THE TIME YOU, YOU HAVE TO GET THROUGH, YOU'VE GOTTA GET THE TIFF APPROVED SO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOUR FINAL BUDGET IS GOING TO BE.
UH, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA GET THE SITE PLAN APPROVED SO YOU CAN GET EVERYTHING ACTUALLY BUDGETED OUT IN DETAIL AND FINISH YOUR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
UH, AND THEN FROM THERE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND ACTUALLY GO INTO UNDERWRITING WITH FINANCING.
AND A YEAR LATER, LOTS OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW WITH THE BANK.
BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN START THE UNDERWRITING PROCESS REALLY TILL THE VERY END, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN HAVE PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH BANKS.
SO, SO IT, DOES THAT MEAN YOUR FULL CAPITAL STACK HAS TO BE PUT TOGETHER BEFORE UNDERWRITING WITH THE PRIMARY LENDER OR SOMEBODY INVOLVED? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? ESSENTIALLY, WE ARE STILL BRINGING IN A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUITY, WHICH WAS NOT PLANNED ORIGINALLY.
UH, AND WE ARE 50% THERE ON THIS KIND OF LAST PIECE OF OUR RACE.
SO JUST TO GET REALLY SPECIFIC, WE'VE GOTTA BRING IN $5 MILLION.
WE'RE AT 4.2 AND I'M WORKING ON THAT LAST BIT WHILE WE'RE IN UNDERWRITING.
WELL I JUST, I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT.
DOES THE TIMING NOW LOOK FEASIBLE? I ASSUME IT DOES BECAUSE YOU'VE YEAH, AGREED.
RIGHT? I MEAN THAT EVERYTHING IS ON TRACK TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
SO THE CONTRACT REQUIRES SUBMISSION OF DESIGN DOCUMENTS 10 DAYS BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION.
AND EVIDENCE OF FINANCING IS REQUIRED BY SECTION 2.3, RIGHT, TO BE SUBMITTED CONCURRENTLY WITH THOSE DESIGN DOCUMENTS.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS.
SEEING NONE, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO, MR. MAYOR? I'D MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX B SECOND.
UH, COREY, COREY SET YOU UP DOWN THERE, DIDN'T HE? THERE IT IS.
[A. Arcadia Lake Water Treatment Plant:]
WE'RE NOW ON SEVEN PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY, PUBLIC HEARING.ITEM SEVEN, A ARCADIA LAKE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UH, DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS SUB ITEMS ONE AND TWO AT THE SAME TIME? SO STAFF.
CHRIS, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
UM, CHRIS ING, DIRECTOR OF WATER RESOURCES.
SO, UM, ITEM A SEVEN, A ONE AND TWO THERE.
UH, COMPANION ITEMS FOR, IT'S FOR, UH, BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR FUNDING, A CHANGE ORDER FOR THE WATER PLANT PROJECT.
UM, IT'S $11,719,417 AND 97 CENTS.
UM, AND EXTENDS THE CONTRACT BY ALMOST A YEAR.
UM, DOESN'T EXTEND THE FULL PROJECT A YEAR.
UM, AND WE'RE STILL PROCEEDING ON WITH THE NEXT PHASE DESIGN AND NEARLY COMPLETE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT DOES ALLOW US TO GET A HEAD START ON THE NEXT PHASE WITH, UM, OPEN BOOK PRICING.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY READ THE FULL 2200 PAGES OF BACKUP, BUT I SPENT ALL WEEKEND LOOKING AT IT.
UM, I, I THINK THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKING, BUT, UM, TOOK THIS TO PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE LAST WEEK, UM, JUST TO HAVE A MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION IF THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
AND IT'S AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF INFORMATION, BUT, UH, THAT'S ONLY ONE OF OUR PROJECTS THAT'S ONGOING.
UM, SO IT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE SCOPE AND SCALE OF WHAT WE DEAL WITH.
UM, BUT THE BUDGET AMENDMENT'S NEEDED TO, UH, INCREASE THE PURCHASE ORDER AMOUNT TO COVER THE COST.
WE HAVE AN EXISTING LOAN WITH THE STATE, $140 MILLION LOAN, GOT ABOUT 13 MILLION AND, UH, SOME CHANGE ON THAT.
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OF THAT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH THE REMAINING BALANCE ON THAT LOAN.UM, SO WE DO HAVE FUNDING IN PLACE.
IT'S NOT RESERVES, IT'S, IT'S A EXISTING, UH, LOAN THAT WE WOULD PULL FROM.
SO, LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON THE FUNDING TO AND FROM.
SO, OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL JUST SAY WE, WE DID REVIEW IT AT PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE.
UM, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE REDUCTIONS AND SOME ARE INCREASES, SO THERE'S SOME OFFSET HAPPENING.
AND, UM, JUST FROM MY VIEW AT THE, CHRIS AND HIS TEAM ARE DOING A GOOD JOB MANAGING THESE LARGE CONTRACTS WITH OUR SUPPLIERS, REALLY, UM, BEING DILIGENT ABOUT CONTROLLING THOSE CHANGES, MAKING SURE THEY'RE NECESSARY.
UH, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IF WE'RE READY.
AND YOUR MOTION IS FOR ITEM SEVEN, A ONE AND TWO, SEVEN A ONE AND TWO CAST YOUR VOTE.
[8. Adjournment of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting and Reconvene the Edmond City Council Meeting.]
I MADE ADJOURNMENT OF THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING AND THE EDMUND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.[9. City Council General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Council. Members of the Council may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]
WE'RE BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.CITY COUNCIL GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PULL ITEM.
GOTTA MAKE SURE I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE HERE.
ITEM NINE G FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEMS A THROUGH M WITH THE EXCEPTION OF G.
[A. Consideration of City Council General Consent Agenda Items Pulled for Separate Discussion and/or Action.]
WE'RE NOW ON 10.DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION ITEMS A IS GONNA BE THE INDIVIDUAL NINE G.
DID I MISS ONE? NINE G YOU WANNA GO BACK TO YEAH, YEAH, WE GOTTA DO NINE G.
MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NINE G.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[B. Consideration of Approval of Resolution No. 39-25 Amending and Adopting Article 5.13 - Parental Leave of the Personnel Policies and Procedures of the City of Edmond; Establishing an Effective Date; And Providing Distribution to Personnel. (Citywide)]
ON ITEM 10 B, CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 39 DASH 25 AMENDING AND ADOPTING ARTICLE 5.13, PARENTAL LEAVE OF THE PERSONNEL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES OF THE CITY OF EDMOND, ESTABLISHING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND PROVIDING DISTRIBUTION TO PERSONNEL.AND MR. INS, DO YOU KNOW WHO'S PRESENTING ON THIS? I, I'LL GIVE IT A STAB AND, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME WHERE I'M WRONG.
UM, THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE CHANGE TO THE PERSONNEL POLICY.
WHAT IT DOES IS REDUCES THE TIME, UH, FOR ELIGIBILITY AND THE PARENTAL LEAVE POLICY FROM, UH, HAVING BEEN EMPLOYED FOR 12 MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS.
SO A NEW EMPLOYEE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE AT SIX MONTHS.
NO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HAVE WE DONE A FISCAL ANALYSIS ON WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE? WE HAVE NOT.
UH, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH OF AN IMPACT BECAUSE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE TIME OFF.
SO THAT COST IS JUST CHANGING WHERE IT OCCURS IN THE CALENDAR.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE, WE'RE CAPTURING WHEN WE DO THAT, THAT WE, EVEN WHEN IT'S AN UNFUNDED LIABILITY, THAT WE'RE GONNA GONNA CAPTURE THE IMPACT.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[C. Presentation and Discussion of the Results of the Pavement Assessment Completed by Infrastructure Management Services. (Citywide)]
ITEM 10 C PRESENTATION.DISCUSSION OF THE RESULTS OF THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT COMPLETED BY INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT SERVICES.
AND WE DO HAVE A STAFF REPORT ON THAT.
BRAD MOORE FROM THE, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S GONNA GO OVER THAT WITH YOU.
SO THIS IS THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROJECT THAT WE HIRED IMS, UH, IN 2024 TO COLLECT PAVEMENT DATA ON ALL OF OUR CITY MAINTAINED STREETS.
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DO I CLICK HERE? THERE WE GO.SO OUR AGENDA HERE, UH, WE'LL GET INTO WHAT THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
UH, THE PAVEMENT CONDITION SURVEY.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT SOME REPRESENTATIVE CONDITIONS SO ALL THE OTHER VISUAL LEARNERS OUT THERE CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE, WE'LL GO OVER INTO AN OVERVIEW OF THE PAVEMENT CONDITIONS THAT WERE COLLECTED, AND THEN SOME ANALYSIS AND PROJECT PLANNING.
SO THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROCESS.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME NICE CHARTS.
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WE'LL GET TO GO THROUGH.
UH, SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
OBVIOUSLY THE CITY OBJECTIVES, POLICIES, BUDGETS, UH, WE HAVE TO ASSESS THE CONDITION OF THE PAVEMENT.
UH, AND THEN WE LOOK AT SOME PERFORMANCE MODELING AND THEN WE CONDUCT PLANNED PROJECTS, REHAB, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, AND IT GETS REFRESHED AS TIME GOES ON.
YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED TO RECOLLECT PAVEMENT CONDITION DATA 'CAUSE IT'S FLUID.
SO, UH, HERE'S ANOTHER GOOD CHART.
SO THIS IS KIND OF EXPLAINING THE COST OF DEFERRAL, OF DEFERRAL, DEFERRING IMPROVEMENT.
SO, UH, THE NICE COLORS THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE.
SO THAT IS YOUR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, WHICH WE'LL DIVE INTO DEEPLY LATER.
BUT, UH, JUST AS AN OVERVIEW, AS YOU CAN SEE, ZERO IS VERY POOR.
UH, OUR AVERAGE ACROSS THE CITY FOR OUR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IS A 65.
UH, SO BACK TO THE COST OF DEFERRAL.
SO, UH, YOUR PAVEMENT, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE 40% OF THE PAVEMENT LIFE, UH, WHERE IT STAYS IN PRETTY GOOD CONDITION, ONLY EXPERIENCE ABOUT A 15% DROP IN CONDITION.
BUT THEN OVER THE NEXT 15% OF THE PAVEMENT LIFE, YOU LOOK AT ABOUT A 40% DROP IN CONDITION.
SO IT REALLY DROPS OFF FAST AFTER THAT FIRST 40% OF YOUR PAVEMENT LIFE.
AND JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, SO AN ASPHALT ROAD IS TYPICALLY EXPECTED TO LAST BETWEEN 20 AND 30 YEARS.
SO 40% OF 30 YEARS IS 12 YEARS.
SO THE WAY I THINK OF IT, WE'VE GOT 12 YEARS AFTER A ASPHALT ROAD IS REPAVED OR, OR BUILT WHERE YOU HAVE GOOD CONDITION, UH, YOU CAN COME IN, MAKE SOME MINOR IMPROVEMENTS AND EXTEND THE LIFE.
SO HERE KIND OF SHOWS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY.
UH, SO THE GREEN ZONE IS YOUR TARGET ZONE FOR PAVEMENT PRESERVATION.
SO IF YOU GET IN, UH, SOME POINT IN THAT FIRST 40% OF THE PAVEMENT LIFE, YOU HAVE LOWER COST, UH, PAVEMENT PRESERVATION TECHNIQUES THAT CAN BE USED.
UH, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT A MASSIVE SUPER EXPENSIVE ROADWAY PROJECT, BUT YOU CAN COME IN AND KIND OF FIX THE ROADWAY.
DO SOME MILL AND OVERLAYS, STUFF LIKE THAT AND EXTEND OUT THAT PAVEMENT LIFE.
AND UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S DEFERRING THE LONG TERM, UH, REPAIR OF THE ROAD.
THE YELLOW ZONE THERE, THAT'S YOUR TARGET ZONE FOR PAVEMENT REHABILITATION.
SO A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THE GREEN ZONE.
UH, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SOME BASE REPAIR IN THAT ZONE, STILL GENERALLY SURFACE LEVEL STUFF, BUT, UH, A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE.
BUT THAT'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE YOU'RE GONNA END UP CATCHING THINGS.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE REPAIRING ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY IN, YOU KNOW, GOOD CONDITION, UH, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO JUSTIFY THE EXPENDITURE THERE.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WE SEE IS IN THE YELLOW ZONE, THE RED ZONE, UH, NOT IN FOOTBALL, BUT ON THIS CHART THAT'S THE TARGET ZONE FOR PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S WHEN YOU'VE LET IT GO TOO FAR.
YOU'RE ALREADY IN, YOU KNOW, 50 OR BELOW WITH YOUR PCI SCORE.
MILLING OVERLAY IS NO LONGER AN OPTION.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT FAILING BASE, UH, MORE SEVERE ISSUES THAT UH, YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO REBUILD THE ROAD RECONSTRUCT THINGS.
SO NOW WE'LL LOOK AT HOW THE, UH, PAVEMENT CONDITION WAS SURVEYED.
SO THIS VAN WAS DRIVING AROUND THE STREETS OF EDMOND FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, UH, IN 2024.
UH, PROBABLY DRIVING A LITTLE SLOWER THAN SOME OF OUR CITIZENS WOULD'VE LIKED, BUT IT'S FOR GOOD REASON.
THEY HAVE, UH, LASER CRACK MEASUREMENT SYSTEM THAT'S SCANNING THE ROADS AS THEY DRIVE AND LOCATING AND UH, SORTING THROUGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES
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OF PAVEMENT DISTRESSES.SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A CRACK'S, NOT JUST A CRACK.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN BE GOING ON, VARYING SEVERITIES.
SO HERE'S KIND OF WHAT THAT LASER CRACK MEASUREMENT SYSTEM THAT WAS EQUIPPED ON THAT VAN, THE DATA THAT IT'S PULLING IN.
SO IT'S ABLE TO SCAN THE ROADS, UH, LOCATE THE CRACKS, UH, GET DIMENSIONS ON THE CRACKS, SAY WHAT TYPE OF CRACK OR DISTRESS IT IS, IT'S ABLE TO LOCATE OUR UTILITIES IN THE ROADWAY.
REALLY A PRETTY COOL TECHNOLOGY.
THE OTHER, UH, TESTING METHOD THAT WE OPTED FOR WITH THIS PROJECT, UH, WAS WE WANTED TO GET STRUCTURAL DATA ON THE ROADS.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER STREETS THAT WE MAY HAVE JUST OVERLAYING FOR, YOU KNOW, THE LAST 30, 40 YEARS WHERE WE THINK THE BASE IS PROBABLY BAD.
BUT WHILE WE'RE OUT HERE TESTING EVERYTHING ELSE, WE FIGURED WE'D COLLECT THE STRUCTURAL DATA ON IT.
SO THIS WAS ALSO, UH, DRUG AROUND THE CITY, THAT TRAILER, UH, ON THAT TRAILER YOU HAVE A FALLING WEIGHT DEFLECTOMETER.
IT'S BASICALLY JUST A BIG THUMPER THAT GETS PULLED UP AND THEN THEY PUSH A BUTTON AND IT DROPS DOWN.
AND WHENEVER IT SLAPS THE PAVEMENT, IT MEASURES THE REVERBERATIONS THROUGH AND YOU'RE ABLE TO GET A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE BASE IS AT THAT POINT.
WHEREAS THE LASER CRACK MEASUREMENT SYSTEM WAS MORE JUST SURFACE LEVEL.
SO THIS GIVES US A FULL PICTURE OF THE CONDITION OF OUR PAVEMENT.
SO THE PCI SCORE, THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IS MADE UP, UH, OF A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR SDI YOUR SURFACE DISTRESS INDEX, WHICH IS COMPILED OF THE DISTRESS, QUANTITY TYPE AND SEVERITY.
AND IF THAT'S AGAIN ZERO TO A HUNDRED JUST LIKE PCI.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT YOUR ROUGHNESS INDEX, YOUR RI AGAIN FROM ONE TO A HUNDRED.
THAT ONE'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
IT'S JUST HOW ROUGH A ROAD IS.
ELEVATION CHANGES YOU'RE DRIVING.
SO, UH, YOUR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IS MADE UP 75% OF WHAT YOUR SDI SCORE IS AND 25% WHAT YOUR ROUGHNESS INDEX IS.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S THE NICE COLORFUL CHART THAT WE LOOKED AT BEFORE SHOWING THE RANGE OF PCI SCORES, UH, AT ABOUT A 40 PCI OR BELOW.
AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF THAT RED ZONE AREA WHERE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR ARE NOT AN OPTION ANYMORE.
UH, AND ANYTHING BELOW 40 IS ALSO CONSIDERED YOUR BACKLOG, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT SOME REPRESENTATIVE CONDITIONS ON OUR STREETS.
SO UNFORTUNATELY WE DID HAVE SOME IN THE ZERO TO 25.
HERE'S, HERE'S ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT.
PCI OF 16, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT OUR WORST, BUT IT'S VERY BAD SHAPE.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, ALLIGATOR CRACKING AMONG OTHER THINGS THERE.
SO THIS ONE HERE FALLS IN THE PORE RANGE BETWEEN 25 AND 40.
SO THIS LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE WAS A CONCRETE STREET, UH, PCI OF 33.
YOU'VE GOT SOME SHATTERED SLAB SEGMENTS IN THERE.
SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE YOU MAY, DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION YOU'RE DRIVING, YOU MAY THINK, OH, THIS ISN'T THAT BAD.
BUT YOU LOOK AT THE CAR ONCOMING AND HE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BOUNCING ALL AROUND.
SO THAT SHATTERED SLAB MAKES FOR A REAL ROUGH RIDE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME LINEAR CRACKING AS WELL.
THIS HERE IS A MARGINAL, UH, CONDITION BETWEEN 40 AND 50, UH, EXTENSIVE LINEAR CRACKING AGAIN ON THIS ONE, BUT A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE SHATTERED SLAB WE WERE LOOKING AT ON THE LAST ONE.
UH, THIS IS FAIR CONDITION, SO I'M SURE THE RESIDENTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S LESS THAN FAIR, BUT COMPARATIVELY ON THE SCALE, THE 54 IS A FAIR CONDITION ROAD, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME LONGITUDINAL AND TRANSVERSE CRACKING AS THE PRIMARY STRESSORS IN THIS CATEGORY.
AND HERE'S ONE THAT FALLS IN THE GOOD CATEGORY.
YOU STILL SEE SOME, UH, MINOR MOSTLY SEALED, UH, LONGITUDINAL AND TRANSVERSE CRACKS.
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AND HERE'S A BEAUTIFUL NEW NEWLY PAVED ROAD THAT HAS A PCI OF 97.SO THIS IS COFFEE CREEK ROAD UP BY MIDWEST.
SO SOME OF THOSE NICE PARTNERSHIPS THAT PUBLIC WORKS WORKS WITH THE COUNTY FOR, UH, GIVES US SOME ROADS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS OVERVIEW OF PAVEMENT CONDITIONS.
SO, UH, A FEW MORE CHARTS HERE FOR YOU.
SO I MENTIONED BEFORE OUR NETWORK AVERAGE PCI SCORES A 65.
OUR BACKLOG, WHICH I'LL REMIND YOU IS PCI SCORES 40 AND BELOW.
WE'RE LOOKING AT 12% OF OUR CITY MAINTAINED ROADS FALL IN THAT CATEGORY.
UM, YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT 30% THAT ARE VERY GOOD.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE STILL WORKING ON OUR ROADS, DOING AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
WE, WE LIKE OUR PCI SCORE TO BE HIGHER, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME THAT WE'VE WORKED ON RECENTLY THAT HAVE GOOD SCORES THERE.
UH, BUT AGAIN, OUR AVERAGE IS 65 AND THEN HERE IT IS BROKEN OUT BY FUNCTIONAL CLASS, WHICH IS JUST A FANCY WAY OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF ROAD IT IS.
SO IN OUR SYSTEM IN OUR CITY, WE HAVE THESE CATEGORIES, MAJOR ARTERIAL, MINOR ARTERIAL, MAJOR COLLECTOR, LOCAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR.
AND THEN WE WENT AHEAD AND HAD THEM COLLECT DATA ON THE PARKS, DRIVEWAYS.
IT'S ONE THAT'S KIND OF FALLEN IN THE GAPS IN THE PAST, BUT UH, THOSE ARE UTILIZED FOR A LOT OF CITIZENS AS WELL.
SO YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT UH, THE THING THAT STICKS OUT THE MOST TO ME IS IN THAT EXCELLENT CATEGORY.
THE RED IS WAY ABOVE AND THAT MAKES SENSE 'CAUSE THAT'S A MAJOR ARTERIAL.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WE'VE FOCUSED OUR EFFORTS ON MAJOR ARTERIALS.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE ROADS THAT FACE THE MOST TRAFFIC, THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO TRIAGE STREETS AND PUT THOSE AT, AT OUR FOCAL POINT.
SO OUR MINOR ARTERIALS AVERAGE OUT ABOUT A 65.
AGAIN, MAIN THOROUGH AFFAIRS TRY TO GIVE THEM THE ATTENTION THEY NEED.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH MONEY FOR EVERYTHING.
SO YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL COLLECTORS AND, UH, MAJOR COLLECTORS AND LOCAL STREETS KIND OF LAGGING BEHIND A LITTLE BIT THERE.
BUT WE DO STILL HAVE PROJECTS FOR THOSE.
UH, JUST OUR MAIN FOCUS HAS BEEN ON THE ARTERIALS.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING HOW MANY OF EACH TYPE DO WE HAVE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A BREAKDOWN SHOWING THAT OF ALL THE CITY MAINTAINED STREETS, THE LOCAL STREETS ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT HALF OF 'EM.
UH, AND THE ARTERIALS THERE YOU SEE 22% FOR THE MINOR AND 14 FOR THE MAJOR.
AND UH, AGAIN, I'M A VISUAL GUY.
SO I HAD OUR GIS TEAM CREATE THIS MAP FOR US.
SO YOU CAN JUST GET AN IDEA WHERE ARE THE MAJOR ARTERIALS, WHERE ARE THE MINOR, UH, WHAT IS A MAJOR COLLECTOR, RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR AND SO ON.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE FUNCTIONAL CLASS DISTRIBUTION LOOKS LIKE ACROSS THE CITY.
UM, SO MAJOR COLLECTORS, AGAIN, THOSE ARE YOUR MAIN THOROUGHFARE GETTING ACROSS THE CITY.
WE'VE TRIED TO FOCUS ON THOSE.
AND HERE IS A PAVEMENT TYPE DISTRIBUTION.
SO, UH, SOME OF THOSE PICTURES WERE CONCRETE STREETS, SOME WERE ASPHALT.
SO OUR ASPHALT NETWORK AVERAGE NETWORK CONDITION IS A 65.
UH, I THINK ABOUT 950 OF OUR, A LITTLE OVER 1100 LANE MILES ARE ASPHALT.
SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR ROADS ARE ASPHALT MORE HEAVILY WEIGHTED IN THE TOTAL CALCULATION.
SO THAT'S WHY THE ASPHALT CONDITIONS PRETTY MUCH MIRROR OUR CITYWIDE AVERAGES.
AND IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING WHERE THE CONCRETE STREETS ARE AS OPPOSED TO ASPHALT, I HAD, I JUST THREW ANOTHER MAP IN THERE.
SO THE CONCRETE'S GRAY AND THE ASPHALT IS BLACK ON THAT MAP.
SO, UH, SOME AREAS OF OLD EDMOND, SOME OF THE OLD NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A LOT OF CONCRETE STREETS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH RESURFACING 'CAUSE THEY HAVE GOTTEN INTO SOME PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE, UH, BUT A LOT OF ASPHALT ALL ACROSS THE CITY.
SO HERE'S A CHART THAT SHOWS A REGIONAL PCI COMPARISON.
UH, THIS IS JUST BASED ON DATA THAT OUR CONSULTANT HAD.
NOT EVERY CITY ADVERTISES WHAT THEIR PCI SCORE IS, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO COMPILE THIS CHART OF, UH, SIMILAR
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COMMUNITIES ACROSS OKLAHOMA.AND WE HAD THEM ADD SOME DATA THAT THEY HAD IN NORTH TEXAS AS WELL, JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER SAMPLE SIZE.
UH, THE OKLAHOMA STATE AVERAGE FROM WHAT OUR CONSULTANCIES IS PCI SCORE OF 62.
AND AGAIN, OUR AVERAGE WAS 65.
SO PRETTY SIMILAR, SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE FOR THE STATE, BUT, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY SIMILAR TO THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES YOU SEE THERE.
I WAS ABLE TO SNAG THIS SCREENSHOT FROM THE OKLAHOMA CITY STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS.
IT'S KIND OF FUZZY HERE, BUT, UH, BASICALLY JUST WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE.
OKLAHOMA CITY HAD AN AVERAGE PCI SCORE OF 65, UH, IN 2016 AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET IT UP TO A 70.
IT TOOK 'EM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS.
BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THEY WERE ABLE TO BUMP THEIR SCORE UP.
I'M SURE IT COST THEM A LOT OF MONEY AS BIG AS OKLAHOMA CITY IS.
BUT, UH, THEIR AVERAGE PCI SCORE SELF-REPORTED IS A 70.
SO, UH, ANOTHER SIMILAR COMMUNITY THAT WASN'T ON THE LAST CHART.
AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT OUR DATA VISUALIZATION, UH, THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY LOOKS LIKE.
SO, UH, WHEN SOMEONE CALLS AND ASKS WHAT THE CONDITION OF A CERTAIN STREET IS, WE HAVE THIS THAT WE CAN GO TO AND WE CAN GET RIGHT DOWN TO THE STREET SEGMENT.
UH, WE HAVE THE VISUALS, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE LASER CRACK MEASUREMENT SYSTEM WAS LOOKING AT A GIVEN POINT ON ANY OF OUR ROADS.
AND WE HAVE THE MAP THAT GOES WITH IT.
IT'S VERY HANDY TOOL, UH, HAS A BUNCH OF, UH, EXCEL DATA IMPORTED IN THERE THAT US ENGINEERS REALLY GEEK OUT OVER.
AND JUST A COUPLE MORE CHARTS AND THEN I'LL LEAVE YOU TO IT.
SO THIS IS A FIVE YEAR FUNDING MODELS THAT WE'RE RAN.
UH, SO THE YELLOW WOULD BE IF WE HAD A, IF WE DID A TARGET DRIVEN, UH, PCI SCORE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
SO THIS EXAMPLE WAS JUST USING 70.
SO IF WE WANTED TO MAKE OUR AVERAGE PCI SCORE ACROSS THE CITY, ACHIEVE A SCORE OF 70, IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY 16 MILLION A YEAR THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PUT TOWARDS OUR ROADS TO GET US THERE.
UH, IF WE WERE TO DO A DIFFERENT OPTION, THAT SOLID RED LINE THAT'S STEADY STATE.
SO THAT'S, IF WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT PCI SCORE OF 65, WE'D BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 11 MILLION A YEAR OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO MAINTAIN THAT BACKLOG CONTROL.
SO THAT BACKLOG AGAIN IS ANYTHING 40 AND BELOW PCI SCORE.
SO IF WE JUST WANTED TO MAINTAIN 12% ON OUR BACKLOG, THAT'S THE DASHED RED LINE, WE'D NEED ABOUT 10 MILLION A YEAR AND WE WOULD SEE OUR PCI, OUR AVERAGE PCI SCORE DROP TO ABOUT A 64.
UH, AND THEN THE GREEN DOWN THERE IN THE CORNER.
SO THAT IS OUR CURRENT AGENCY BUDGET THAT IS ALLOCATED FOR ROAD RESURFACING AT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION A YEAR.
IF WE JUST CONTINUED WITH THAT AND IN FIVE YEARS WE'D BE LOOKING AT AN AVERAGE PCI SCORE OF 60 AND OUR BACKLOG WOULD JUMP FROM 12 TO 18%.
AND THEN THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME DATA IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY.
UH, THE BLUE LINE, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, GOLDILOCKS NOT, NOT REALLY POSSIBLE BUT REPAIRING EVERYTHING OVER FIVE YEARS.
BUT THE YELLOW, AGAIN, THAT'S THE SAME TARGET DRIVEN PCI SCORE OF 70.
SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, OVER FIVE YEARS IF WE WERE ABLE TO ALLOCATE 16 MILLION A YEAR, IT WOULD SLOWLY PROGRESS UP, GET US TO A 70.
UH, YOU GOT THE SOLID RED LINE, WHICH IS THE STEADY STATE, UH, MAINTAINING THAT 65.
AND THEN OUR GREEN LINE, WHICH IS OUR CURRENT AGENCY BUDGET, IF WE MAINTAIN THAT, UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT'S TRENDING AND THE DO NOTHING, THE BLACK LINE THERE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY NOT IDEAL EITHER.
SO I THINK, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT.
LOVE IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING YOUR CHARTS ON CASA DEFERRAL, BRAD, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THEM.
WHAT BROUGHT THAT HOME TO ME? REALISM AS OPPOSED TO GRAPHS IS WE JUST APPROVED IN A CONSENT AGENDA.
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RATED AT I THINK PCI WAS 43 I BELIEVE LOOKED MUCH, LOOKS MUCH WORSE THAN MARSHALL DRIVE.THAT'S A 44 RIGHT? BUT IT, IT WAS $995,000 IF I REMEMBER YEP.
UM, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE IT'S IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OKLAHOMA COUNTY OR PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN MORE YEAH, WE'RE TALKING TOTAL BASE, EVERYTHING RIGHT.
COUNTY TELLS ME IF WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, IT WOULD'VE BEEN HALF.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW CRITICAL THESE ARE AND WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE MONEY THAT DIRECTION TO ROADS.
THIS WAS THE CHART 32 IF YOU GO BACK TO WAS THE ONE THAT MOTIVATED ME TO, UM, SUGGEST THAT WE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CIP TAX RENEWAL, PUT THAT TOWARDS ROADS BECAUSE IF WE DO NOTHING HERE ON THE GREEN LINE, IT'S GONNA GET PRETTY BAD.
IT ALSO TELLS ME, AND I WANT TO COMMEND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF FOR DOING A LOT WITH A LITTLE OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS SINCE WE'VE ALLOCATED SUCH LITTLE FUNDING TO OUR ROADS.
IT ALSO EXPLAINS WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROADS IN OUR TOWN.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT WAS A PRETTY EYE-OPENING CHART TO ME.
UM, THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IS I THINK WE'RE ON A FIVE YEAR ROTATION, YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY TO SCAN THE CITY YEAH.
ONE FIFTH PER YEAR FOR FIVE OVER THE FIVE YEARS.
SO WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE KIND OF A RECURRING VIEW OF OUR STREET HEALTH GOING FORWARD.
THIS GIVES US A REALLY GOOD BASELINE, UH, TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT THAT'LL BE GOOD TOO AS WE IMPROVE A LOT OF THESE, UM, CLEAN UP SOME OF THE REALLY BAD ONES LIKE WE'RE ALREADY DOING, RIGHT.
UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE THIS TREND UP OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
I'VE GOT DON'T, DON'T RUN OFF.
SO YOU TALK ABOUT HITTING THAT TARGET OF 70, USING 16 MILLION A YEAR.
DOES THAT 16 MILLION INCORPORATE THE, THE KEVLAR ADDITIVE OR NOT? UH, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY.
THAT WAS KIND OF A ONE-OFF THAT THE COUNT, THE COUNTY WANTED TO PARTNER WITH US ON THAT.
OUR STANDARD FOR OUR CITY RUN PROJECTS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE KEVLAR.
'CAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE STANDARD AND WE HAVEN'T DONE IT BEFORE.
THIS IS OUR FIRST RUN WITH IT, SO.
SO YOU HAVEN'T, YOU REALLY HAVEN'T DONE ANY MODELING YET BASED ON, ON THE RESULTS OF THE KEVLAR AROUND THE COUNTRY, SO, RIGHT.
AND THAT YEAH, THAT MAY WELL EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT, RIGHT? OKAY.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY MODELING, BUT THERE HAS TO BE MODELING OUT THERE.
AND ISN'T IT EXTENSION OF LIFE? YEAH.
INSTEAD OF 20 TO 30 YEARS, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, 30 TO 40 YEARS IS WHAT THE DATA SUGGESTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT NOTHING ELSE TO DO ON THAT ONE.
[D. Consideration of Approval of an Agreement with The Superlative Group for Valuation of the City’s Marketable Assets to Determine Potential Opportunities for Sponsorships and Naming Rights and to Assist in Developing a Comprehensive Sponsorship Policy; $49,750.00. (Citywide)]
10 D CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL AND AGREEMENT WITH THE SUPERLATIVE GROUP FOR VALUATION OF THE CITY'S MARKETABLE ASSETS TO DETERMINE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPONSORSHIPS AND NAMING RIGHTS AND TO ASSIST IN DEVELOPING A COMPREHENSIVE SPONSORSHIP POLICY.AND MR. RAINEY IS HERE TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR NASH AND COUNCIL BRAD RAINEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
UM, IT'S NOT VERY OFTEN WE BRING AN ITEM TO SPEND MONEY TO POSSIBLY BRING AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THE CITY, BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS ITEM IS.
UM, I THINK WE'VE SEEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A WHILE WITH SOME OF OUR BEAUTIFUL ASSETS WE HAVE IN THE CITY TO POSSIBLY BRING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE WITH WHAT YOU JUST READ, MAYOR SPONSORSHIPS, NAMING RIGHTS AND OTHER THINGS.
UM, WHEN WE SAY ASSETS THINK, UM, SPORTS, FACILITIES, PARKS, BUILDINGS, UM, IT CAN BE BUSES, EVENTS, PROGRAMS, AND OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES TOO.
THERE'S PROBABLY THINGS I'M MISSING, BUT JUST THROWING OUT SOME EXAMPLES.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN REALLY DIFFICULT TO, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS IS, UM, MAINLY JUST LACK TIME AND EXPERTISE.
WE DON'T HAVE A SALES TEAM AT THE, AT THE CITY TO GO PURSUE DEALS AND MAKE DEALS AND WE DON'T HAVE POLICY EITHER TO, TO GUIDE US ALONG.
WE HAVE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
UM, BUT WAS JUST, I WAS JUST KIND OF SEEKING A WAY TO TRY TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ALONG THIS AND FOUND, UM, THIS SUPERLATIVE GROUP THAT KIND OF SPECIALIZES IN THIS.
THEY WORK WITH MUNICIPALITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY SCHOOL DISTRICTS TO HELP THEM MONETIZE SOME OF THEIR ASSETS.
UM, THEY BASICALLY PERFORM TWO THINGS.
ONE, UM, THEY HELP WITH VALUATION.
SO THEY LET YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE AND WHAT IT'S WORTH AND HOW MUCH MONEY YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BRING IN.
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UM, THAT'S KIND OF PHASE ONE.AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT IS PHASE ONE THAT WITH HELP WITH POLICY ON, ON HOW WE, UM, DEAL WITH THAT.
AND THEN THE SECOND PHASE IS THEY CAN REPRESENT AND MAKE SALES AND DEALS FOR YOU.
AND WE'RE NOT OBLIGATING OURSELVES TO THAT YET.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE COULD BRING IN AND, AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD ON.
WE ORIGINALLY, UH, WERE LOOKING AT THIS THROUGH A PARKS LENS, UM, BUT SAW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHOLE CITY TO HAVE THE WHOLE CITY, UM, VALUED AT LEAST.
AND SO WE'VE PARTNERED UP WITH SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, FIRE DEPARTMENT, WATER RESOURCES, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO HELP, UM, COBBLE TOGETHER SOME FUNDS TO, TO PAY FOR THIS, UM, REPORT.
UM, THIS, UH, JUST WANNA POINT OUT JUST KIND OF MEETING WITH THIS GROUP AND LEARNING ABOUT IT.
THIS ISN'T A NASCAR APPROACH, MEANING WE DON'T, THEIR APPROACH ISN'T TO PUT LOGOS ALL OVER EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE, ON EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERY CITY BUS HAS 20 LOGOS ON IT.
IT'S TO, UM, KIND OF BALANCE THAT TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE AND BE TASTEFUL AND WORK WITH A FEW SPONSORS AND PUT TOGETHER PACKAGES WITH DIFFERENT CITY ASSETS.
THAT'S KIND OF THEIR, THEIR APPROACH.
UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST MENTION BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS, UM, CERTAINLY I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE STREAM TO THE CITY OF, OF THE POTENTIAL OF IT.
THIS WILL NOT BE A DROP IN THE BUCKET COMPARED TO THE INITIATIVES THAT ARE, UM, GONNA BE OUT TO THE VOTERS PROPOSITION ONE AND TWO IN, IN NOVEMBER.
SO THIS ISN'T A SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT.
THIS IS HOPEFULLY, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN OUT OF THE BOX WAY TO, TO START BUILDING DIFFERENT WAYS TO BRING REVEREND INTO, INTO THE CITY.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M GLAD WE'RE THINKING THAT DIRECTION.
UM, AS WE BRING AC INGER BACK ONLINE.
UM, YOU LOOK AT THE SOCCER FIELDS, YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE GOT IN MITCH PARK, WE'VE GOT SOME OPPORTUNITY HERE AND, AND I THINK IT'S SMART TO AT LEAST FIND OUT WHAT THE HECK THIS STUFF IS WORTH BEFORE WE GET IN THERE.
BUT I AM GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA LIKE, HAVE FULL WRAPS ON OUR FIRE ENGINES AND I DON'T THINK SO.
YOU, YOU JUST DON'T
RIGHT BRETT? I I DO THINK, I MEAN, I, IT'S, IT'S THE ONLY WAY FORWARD FOR US, I THINK AS A CITY TO PUT THE KIND OF FACILITIES TO EVEN BEGIN TO COMPETE WITH THE MUCH, MUCH, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, MUCH SMALLER COMMUNITIES AND WHAT THEY HAVE IN TERMS OF FIELDS AND, AND FACILITIES.
AND I THINK THAT PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IN THIS AND, AND, AND I GET, WE WE'RE NOT DOING NASCAR, BUT, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT MOST ESPECIALLY THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN EDMOND AND CLOSE BY THE SIGNS AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY RAISE ON THE FENCES AROUND FIELDS IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE.
UM, I, I APPRECIATED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WITH THE JOB SOUP AND NEW TOURING AC KAPLER, BIG IMPROVEMENT.
UH, THIS WEEK I TOURED MITCH AND THE REDESIGN AND THE LAYOUT OF THOSE FIELDS IS INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY BETTER.
ALSO, I WANT TO, I'M GONNA GET WITH YOU, I I I KNOW YOU'RE GETTING PUSHED ON RECTANGULAR FIELDS,
I KNOW WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE AND I, I THINK MAYBE WE HAVE A, THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION AND I MEAN ALL OF THESE THINGS, I DON'T WANNA DO ANY OF THESE INDEPENDENT WITHOUT AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
'CAUSE I, I KNOW WE DID ONE, THREE YEARS, I DON'T KNOW OR SO AGO THAT THE, THE OPPORTUNITY IS, IS THERE EVEN IF SECONDARY OR TERTIARY TO A, A BASEBALL TOURNAMENT, A SOCCER TOURNAMENT, LACROSSE.
UM, BUT IT'S FAIRLY SIZABLE OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR.
SO I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO PURSUE.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S, WE'VE SEEN SOME BIG IMPROVEMENTS IN PARKS AND RECS AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AFTER IT.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, YOUR EFFORTS IN EXPLORING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE FUNDING.
I KNOW PARKS AND REC, YOU DO A GREAT JOB AT THIS LOOKING AT GRANT FUNDING.
UM, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A, A TEAM EFFORT, BUT ANY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO, UM, TO LEVERAGE OUR FUNDING, I SUPPORT THAT.
GLAD WE'RE LOOKING CITYWIDE TOO, NOT JUST PARKS.
THIS STUDY WILL PAY FOR ITSELF QUICKLY.
ALRIGHT, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE.
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A SECOND.[A. Internet Crimes Against Children Grant:]
ON TO ITEM 11, CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. I'LL REMIND THOSE IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS, IF WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, PLEASE UM, FOCUS ON SOMETHING NEW AND ADDITIVE TO THE CONVERSATION.JUST SO WE'RE NOT HERE UNTIL 10 30 OR 11 TONIGHT.
I I THINK ALL OF US IN ATTENDANCE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, ITEM 11, A INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN GRANT.
AND WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION CHIEF, YOUNGER MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS.
UH, PLEASE EXCUSE MY CASUAL ATTIRE HEADED TO A FAMILY DINNER AFTER THIS.
SO I PICKED A FAMILY CLOSE INSTEAD OF WORK CLOSE.
UM, SO THIS ITEM, UH, ONE AND ITEM TWO ARE, UH, FIRST, UH, UH, BUDGET AMENDMENT AND SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION RECEIVING A GRANT FROM THE OKLAHOMA STATE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, UH, IN RELATION TO OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM FOR THE INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN, UH, TASK FORCE THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN.
AND THEN ITEM TWO IS, IS THE ASSIGNMENT OF THAT FOR THE EXPENSE OUTTA THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
FOR THAT IT SAYS VERY SMALL PORTION OF THIS IS FOR, UH, TOOLS, ELECTRONIC TOOLS FOR THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS THAT WE USE.
UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS IS TO FUND FOUR DETECTIVES TO ATTEND THE NATIONAL INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN.
MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 11 EIGHT.
OH, YOU HAVE A COMMENT? SORRY.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE NOW TO ENTERTAIN YOUR MOTION, MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 11 A ONE
I'LL SECOND
[B. City Center Complex:]
ITEM B, CITY CENTER, CITY CENTER COMPLEX ITEMS ONE AND TWO.AND MR. WHO'S GONNA SPEAK ON THIS ONE? WE, WE APPROVE ITEM 11 TWO.
LE IS GONNA SPEAK ON IT REAL QUICK.
LIEN IS GONNA SPEAK ON IT REAL QUICK.
DID MY MOTION WAS 11 A WARREN, SORRY, IT SNUCK UP ON ME.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, CITY CENTER IS COMPLETE.
UM, THIS CHANGE ORDER IS GOING TO MR. DOZER.
MAYOR, I CAN INTERRUPT YOU JUST A SECOND.
OF COURSE, MR. MAYOR, I MADE A MOTION FOR 1181.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR 1182? WELL, YEAH, IF YOU DIDN'T, IF IF YOU DIDN'T SAY BOTH ONE AND TWO, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 11 A TWO SECOND.
UM, CITY CENTER IS COMPLETE THIS FINAL CHANGE ORDER FOR 293,000 AND A LITTLE BIT UNDER.
UM, WE'LL FINISH OUT THE CHANGE ORDERS AND BRING THE PROJECT IN UNDER BUDGET.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE IN THE BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S REALLY ENJOYING IT.
UM, SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST LET ME KNOW.
GLAD TO HEAR IT WAS UNDER BUDGET.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THOSE GET DONE RATHER QUICKLY.
I ADDED ONE TO IT TODAY, SO I HOPE SO.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? OH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WANNA SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? SEEING NONE? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND IS THIS ITEM B ONE AND TWO OR ITEM B ONE OR I MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM B ONE AND TWO SECOND AND A SECOND.
[C. Case No. PR24-00018; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Preliminary Plat for Villas at Kickingbird, Located at 2700 East Danforth Road. (Sun Properties; Ward 2)]
ITEM 11 C.CASE NUMBER PR 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 8.
PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR VILLAS AT KICKING BIRD LOCATED AT 2,700 EAST DANFORTH ROAD.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT MR. BRIAN? THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
KEN BRIAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS CASE IS JUST UNDER FIVE ACRES.
THE MAP HERE SHOWS A SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DANFORTH, A QUARTER MILE WEST OF COLTRANE.
THE CASE ITSELF INCLUDES 49 LOTS PLOTTED FOR TOWN HOMES.
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ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED FROM DANFORTH WITH A DRIVE LOCATED TO A LINE WITH AN EXISTING DRIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET.THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES PRIVATE STREETS.
THE PRELIMINARY PLAT CONFORMS TO THE ZONING DISTRICT AT THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025.
PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL, UH, MR. BRIAN ON THIS SITE PLAN? WHERE ARE WE AT WITH LANDSCAPING? UM, SO THE POD INCLUDES, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, FOR PROJECT OF THIS LIKE SCALE AND AND SIZE.
SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE PLAT, ACTUALLY IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT IT'S ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT.
THERE'S A, A STRIP FOR, UH, SHADE TREES ALONG DANFORTH ROAD.
AND THEN, UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE INCLUDED SOME LANDSCAPING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, UH, PROJECT.
I DON'T SEE MUCH ROOM FOR LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
THAT ALL LOOKS, I MEAN, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT DROPPING TOWNHOMES INTO THOSE LOTS, HOW MUCH ROOM IS GONNA BE LEFT THERE? UM, THE, THE PUD REQUIRES 10% OPEN SPACE.
OKAY, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE SHADE TREE BUFFER.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS BEAR? MY NAME DAN O'NEILL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DO 1 0 1 STONY TRAIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AS WE, UH, TRIED TO DO AN IMPROVEMENT ON OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, OUR, OUR BUSINESS PEOPLE, UH, OUR EXECUTIVE BOARD THAT WE HAVE THAT UH, MANAGES, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMP, UH, FEES FOR, FOR DEVELOPERS, UH, AGREED TO DO WAS TO DO A 5% OR 10%, UH, PER UH, UH, TREE PRESERVATION IN PROJECTS THAT WERE FIVE ACRES OR A MONTH OR ABOVE.
UH, WHEN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WAS APPROVED, IT SAID IT HAD 4.99 ACRES.
OKAY? UH, IT ACTUALLY MAY HAVE THAT, BUT THE COUNTY RECORD SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND I'D LIKE TO HAND OUT SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
YOU SEND PROPERTIES, SEND PROPERTIES, I GUESS I GAVE 'EM ALL AWAY.
BUT ANYWAY, SUN PROPERTIES IS THE, UH, THE OWNER ON THIS PROPERTY AND YOU SEE THE VERY FIRST PAGE, THERE'S TWO LOTS, UH, THERE.
UH, LET ME BORROW ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE LOTS.
35, THE ONE OF 'EM WAS 41 OF 'EM SAYS THAT IT'S 2.5 ACCORDING TO COUNTY ASSESSORS.
AND THE OTHER ONE HAS A A SQUARE FOOT OF 108,900 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT OR DIVIDE THAT BY THE 400 AND SOME 43 6 50 ACRES FEET PER ACRE, IT COMES OUT EXACTLY TO 2.5.
IN HIS PUD WHEN HE WAS SUBMITTED AND IT, IT HAD BEEN APPROVED, IT SAYS THE SITE CONSISTS OF 4.99 GROSS ACRES.
NOW IT DIDN'T QUITE MEET FIVE.
OKAY? AND IT'S TO THEIR ADVANTAGE, UH, TO SAY IT'S LESS THAN FIVE AND THEREFORE THE 10% TREE PRESERVATION ITEM, UH, WOULD NOT APPLY.
UH, KEN IN HIS, IN HIS REVIEW POINTS OUT THAT IT, HAD IT BEEN A FIVE, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO DO A 10% TREE PRESERVATION.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO IT WHEN YOU CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES AND THERE WEREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF TREES RIGHT THERE.
BUT AT THE BACK THERE ARE, UH, ANYWAY, I THINK QUALITY OF LIFE AND UH, SITE PLAN, THERE ARE IMPORTANT FACTORS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
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THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO APPLY THAT PARTICULAR RULE.UH, AND I THINK THE DEVELOPER CHOSE NOT TO SAY THAT IT HAD FIVE FULL ACRES, UH, GROSS ACRES, UH, FIVE, UH, SO HE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE AND PERHAPS DO 10% MORE OF HIS DEVELOPMENT.
ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS.
I THINK THE PRELIMINARY, UH, PLAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED IN THE SITE PLAN.
IT WAS DISCUSSED HERE, BUT IT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION OR ANYTHING ELSE.
IT JUST SAID IT DIDN'T HAVE FIVE ACRES.
I THINK IT SHOULD, AND I THINK, UH, THERE'S CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEIR DECISION WAS AND WHY THEY CAME FOR IT.
I ASKED IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY KIND OF SUBMISSION OF RECORDS SAYING, REALLY IT DOESN'T MEET THIS AND WE WE'VE PROVED IT, IT DOESN'T MEET IT AND I DON'T KNOW.
AND THEY MIGHT WANT TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THE RIGHT OF WAY PROPERTY DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS THAT MANY GROSS ACRES ON THERE OR USABLE ACRES.
BUT ANYWAY, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PROVISIONS THAT AREN'T APPLIED FOR AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT, UH, WE ASK THEM TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE, UH, UH, THERE'S VERY LITTLE, UH, LANDSCAPING AT ALL.
IN FACT, EVERY HOUSE CAN BE BUILT ON 80, 85% OF THE LOT.
THAT'S BY THEIR PUD DESIGN STATEMENT RIGHT HERE.
AND I, IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING COMPLIES WITH A PUD, YOU OUGHT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKAGE AND, AND THAT WASN'T PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC FOR THEM TO REVIEW AND MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT.
MARK GRUBBS, 1800 SOUTH SARAH ROAD ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION.
UM, THERE WAS IN FACT A, A LEGAL DESCRIPTION SUBMITTED WITH THE PUD AND WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WAS PREPARED BY A SURVEYOR THAT DID AN OUT THE SURVEY ON THE PROPERTY.
IT DID IN FACT FALL AT LIKE 4.9881.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T FUDGE THE NUMBERS OR ANYTHING.
UM, THIS HAS, YOU KNOW, WENT THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS.
WE, WE WORKED WITH STAFF QUITE A BIT ON THE LANDSCAPING, UH, ON THE LANDSCAPING TERMINOLOGY AND THE PUD AND THE PUD DID GO BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
AND WE'RE SIMPLY PREPARE, UH, PRESENTING A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT DOES CONFORM TO THE PUD.
SO WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T KNOW, JUST, JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP, I MEAN IT'S HARD, BUT I HAVE A HARD TIME COUNTING MORE THAN 50 TREES.
YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT MORE THAN FIVE IN THERE, AREN'T YOU? I DID, UH, WE DID HIRE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND IT DURING THIS PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THAT I COULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PUD.
I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FOOT AND BE ABLE TO GET AND GET INTO DESIGN AND NOT BE ABLE TO CONFORM TO THE PUD.
SO ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? ANY CO OTHER COMMENTS BY THE COUNCIL? MR. O'NEILL RAISES A REALLY GOOD POINT.
UH, A COUPLE OF GOOD POINTS AND, UH, I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT 4.99.
CAN YOU NOT, CAN YOU DO ANY BETTER ON THE LANDSCAPING? UH, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, I MEAN WHEN WE LAID THIS OUT AND WE WORKED WITH THE, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, THAT'S THE, THE 10% WAS, UH, WHAT WE WORKED WITH AND COULD GET TO.
SO I DON'T, I COULDN'T SIT HERE AND PROMISE YOU THAT I COULD GET ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN HERE.
SO WHEN YOU SAID THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD GET TO WHEN YOU, THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN GET TO, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE LAID OUT THE PROJECT AND WORKED WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT IN THIS PROJECT.
UH, WHEN, WHEN MY CLIENT CAME TO ME AND TOLD ME WHAT HE NEEDED BUILDING WISE AND UNIT WISE AND THAT'S, AND, AND THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE CAME TO WHEN WE WROTE THE PUD AND PRESENTED IT TO EVERYBODY.
ARE YOU SAYING YOU DESIGNED IT TO MEET 10%? I'M SORRY? ARE YOU SAYING YOU DESIGNED IT TO MEET THE 10% REQUIREMENT? I CAN'T TELL.
WHEN WE WORKED WITH STAFF, WE, THEY, THEY PUT, I THINK THEY PUSHED US, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THEY PUSHED US TO THE 10%.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAD 10% ORIGINALLY AND
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THEN WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO GET THERE AND ALSO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.OKAY, SO YOU THINK THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE DOES MEET THE 10%? I I KNOW IT DOES MEET THE 10%.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ANYONE ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? COUNSEL, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? MOVE APPROVAL.
POSSIBLE COULD WE TAKE A SEVEN MINUTE BREAK? SO ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION THAT WE TAKE A RECESS UNTIL 6 45? YES SIR.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN NICHOLS STEPPED OUT TO GET SOME WATER.
DO WE NEED A WATER FOR NO, SHE WANTED WATER.
SHE'S COMING BACK IN RIGHT NOW.
[D. Case No. Z24-00017; Public Hearing and Consideration of Ordinance No. 4058 Rezoning Certain Property Generally Located Between Westminster and Hiwassee and Between 15th and 33rd from "G-A" General Agriculture to "PUD Z24-00017" East Edmond 15A Planned Unit Development and Providing an Effective Date. (Rubenstein & Pitts; Ward 2)]
ITEM 11 D CASE NUMBER Z TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 1 7.PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4 0 5 8.
REZONING CERTAIN PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN WESTMINSTER AND AWASA AND BETWEEN 15TH AND 33RD FROM GA, AG GENERAL AGRICULTURE TO PUDZ 24 DASH 0 0 0 1 7 EAST EDMOND 15 A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES SIR.
KEN BRIAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WE SEE HERE FOR THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST IS APPROXIMATELY 645 ACRES.
THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION IN SOUTHEAST EDMOND BETWEEN 15TH AND 33RD AND BETWEEN HIE AND APPROXIMATELY ONE HALF MILE WEST OF ANDERSON ROAD.
NEARBY ZONING AND USES INCLUDE GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE AND PORTIONS THAT ABUT LAKE AWA EAST'S COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH AND THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA CITY TO THE EAST AND SOUTH.
THIS AREA IS EITHER UNDEVELOPED LAND OR CONTAINS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON LARGE PARCELS.
THE PROPOSED PUD DESIGN STATEMENT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING KEY DETAILS.
THE ALLOWED USES GENERALLY INCLUDE OFFICE, RETAIL, ENTERTAINMENT, CIVIC AND RESIDENTIAL LIVING.
PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, MEDICAL MARIJUANA, RETAILERS, OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OUTDOOR SALES.
A MAXIMUM OF 4,500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD BE ALLOWED.
A MAXIMUM OF 120 ACRES WOULD BE USED FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
A MAXIMUM BUILDING KIND OF 80 FEET WOULD BE ESTABLISHED FOR STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR OCCUPATION SUCH AS CLOCK, TOWERS, STEEPLES, OR ARCHES.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE 120 FEET.
SEVERAL POINTS OF ACCESS TO A BUDDING ARTERIAL STREETS WILL BE REQUIRED AS THE PROJECT DEVELOPS.
THE PROJECT WILL INCLUDE AN INTERCONNECTED NETWORK OF STREETS, TRAILS, ALLEYS, AND WALKWAYS TO FACILITATE A VARIETY OF TRANSPORTATION MODES AND WOULD BE ALLOWED TO RELY ON THE CITY'S STREET SCAPE STANDARDS.
FOR THESE DESIGN DETAILS, THE PROJECT CONFORMS THAT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS FOLLOWS.
SPECIFICALLY, THE CONCEPT FOR THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION DURING A MAJOR PLANNING EFFORT REFERRED TO AS EAST EDMOND 2050.
THIS EFFORT COMPLETED IN 2022, FOCUSED ON WHERE NEW POPULATION COULD AND SHOULD LIVE AND WORK AS THE CITY GROWS FROM APPROXIMATELY 95,000 PEOPLE TO 135,000 PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT FEW DECADES, A KEY RESULT WAS THAT MANY OF THE ASSETS WE ENJOYED TODAY CAN BE SUSTAINED AND IMPROVED BY CONCENTRATING GROWTH IN KEY LOCATIONS SUCH AS ALONG BROADWAY, ALONG I 35, NEAR I 35, AND COVELL, AND IN NEW VILLAGE AREAS.
THIS PROJECT LOCATION BECAME THE SECOND VILLAGE REFLECTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE APPLICABLE PLAN CATEGORIES INCLUDE TOWN SQUARE, A RELATIVELY INTENSE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING MID-RISE COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE STRUCTURES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME BEING FINE-GRAINED AND HIGHLY WALKABLE
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VILLAGE.MODERATE IS A STEP DOWN IN INTENSITY AND INCLUDES A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND FINALLY, VILLAGE LOW, THE LEAST INTENSE CATEGORY THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL, WHILE STILL SUPPORTING WALKABILITY.
AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ONE WITH THE APPLICANT, LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING.
MY NAME'S TODD MCINNIS AND I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT ON THIS, UH, PROJECT.
AND, UH, AT THE BEGINNING I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT AND THEN HANK BIMA IS GONNA PRESENT THE MEAT OF OUR PRESENTATION.
UH, HERE WITH ME TONIGHT IS TOM BLAYLOCK.
TOM HEADS UP THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE MCCLENDON FAMILY OFFICE.
ALSO HERE IS WILL MCCLENDON, WHO WORKS CLOSELY WITH TOM TO OVERSEE AND WORK TOGETHER ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT.
HANK IS WITH WHITE HORSE PLANNING.
HE'S A URBAN LAND PLANNER AND HAS DONE APPROXIMATELY 20 OF THESE PROJECTS AROUND THE WORLD AND HAS A LONG HISTORY WITH THE MCCLENDON FAMILY AND DOING PROJECTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
LARRY WALLACE IS HERE WITH NEWMAN DEVELOPMENT.
LARRY GRADUATED FROM EDMOND A COUPLE YEARS IN FRONT OF ME, SO HE IS OLDER THAN ME, BUT WORKS WITH THE, UH, FAMILY AND THIS PROJECT AND HAS A LONG HISTORY IN EDMOND.
UH, ALSO MARK ZIT IS HERE WITH JOHNSON ASSOCIATES, WHO'S OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD AND STEPHANIE COULTER IN MY OFFICES HERE.
BUT IT WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT OF THE EDMOND CITY STAFF.
AS MR. BRYAN SAID, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROJECT IN THE SENSE OF LEANING ON THE EXPERTISE AND THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE HONEST COMMUNICATION BY THE CITY STAFF, ALL DEPARTMENTS, ENGINEERING, BUILDING, FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND CERTAINLY PLANNING, AND THE OTHER DISCIPLINES WERE KEY IN OUR DISCUSSION AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH THIS ONCE IN A GENERATION PROJECT.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 31 YEARS, AND I OFTENTIMES WORK WITH WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO ARE ENTREPRENEURIAL AND CAPITAL INVESTORS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO WITHOUT DISMISSING THEM, I WOULD SAY IT IS SO ENCOURAGING TO WORK WITH SUCH A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT WHERE THE FAMILY AND THE ENTITY IS COMMITTED TO THE LONG GAME.
AND SO, WORDS THAT I WANT TO SAY TONIGHT ARE THOUGHTFUL, SENSITIVE, INTENTIONAL, PATIENT.
THOSE ARE THE WORDS THAT REPRESENT THIS PROJECT, THE PROCESS TO GET US TO THIS POINT.
AND WHAT I BELIEVE YOU'LL SEE OVER THE NEXT THREE, MAYBE FOUR, MAYBE FIVE DECADES AS THIS PROJECT COMES ONLINE.
AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND I'LL JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE.
AND I WISH HE WAS HERE TONIGHT.
BUT HOW WE GOT HERE IS PAT PATTERSON.
AND IN 1997, PAT PATTERSON SHOWED SOME LAND TO AUBREY MCCLENDON.
SO ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO, THE BEGINNING OF THE BIRTH OF THIS VISION BEGAN IN THIS PART OF EDMOND, IN THIS PART OF OKLAHOMA COUNTY.
AND IT WAS THAT VISION TO START TO ACQUIRE LAND THAT HAS BEEN PULLED TOGETHER SO THAT WE NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE THAT IN ONE WORD OF ONE OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS SAID THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN DOES NOT WORK WITHOUT THIS PROJECT.
AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND I THINK WE ALL SHOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT IT IN GENERAL, KNOWING THAT CHANGE IS AT TIMES DIFFICULT.
BUT IT'S EXCITING, IT'S EXCITING TIME FOR ALL OF US.
AND SO AFTER THAT, MR. BRIAN MENTIONED WE HAD THE EAST EDMOND 2018 PLAN THAT TALKED ABOUT LONG RANGE PLANNING, AND THEN THAT WAS ADDED TO WITH THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN.
AND I HAVE A SLIDE AT THE END THAT WE'LL PROBABLY SHOW.
AND THIS PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR IS THE TARGET FOR THIS CENTRAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FACTOR IN EAST EDMOND.
AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE IT'S IMPORTANT AS THAT COMES FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE SUBMITTED A PUD, WE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, WE HAD MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
WE HAD A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FORUM IN AUGUST OR ON AUGUST 27TH, AND WE HAD ANOTHER ONE ON SEPTEMBER 11TH.
WE MULTIPLE FOLLOW UP COMMUNICATIONS WITH VARIOUS ADJACENT NEIGHBORS TO THIS PROJECT, AND THAT LED US TO WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT.
YOU'VE HEARD THE TERMS NEW URBANISM, TOWN CENTER PROJECT, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, AND THOSE TO ME ARE JUST WORDS.
AND SO IT'S MY DESIRE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHOW YOU HOW WE WANT TO BRING THAT TO LIFE OVER THE COMING GENERATIONS.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING THE CITY OF EDMOND JUST TO HELP US IN THE SENSE OF APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
SO WE TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING THIS PROJECT TO LIFE.
AND WITH THAT IN MIND, I'M GONNA ASK HANK BIMAN TO COME UP AND WALK THROUGH THE PROJECT.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE A FEW MINUTES AT THE END.
MAYOR, IF I COULD TO COME BACK UP AND CLOSE OUR PRESENTATION.
AND THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR CONSIDERING OUR APPLICATION HERE FOR THE PUD.
SIR, COULD YOU RAISE THAT MICROPHONE UP A LITTLE BIT? SURE CAN.
HOW'S THIS ANY BETTER? UH, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU.
AND I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE, UH, PROCESS
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THAT WE WENT THROUGH AS WE CONSIDERED THIS LAND.AND THIS IS TRULY A LAND-BASED EFFORT WHERE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME, UH, TRUSTING.
HERE WE GO, REALLY STUDYING KINDA WHAT IT IS THE LAND CAN OFFER US, WHAT IT DOES FOR THE COMMUNITY, HOW IT FITS INTO THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, HOW DOES IT FIT INTO THE PUBLIC SERVICES.
WE REALLY DID WANT TO THINK ABOUT A VILLAGE CONNECTED COMMUNITY.
AND THE LARGER LAND HOLDING OFFERS A GREAT DEAL OF CONNECTIVITY, WHICH WE WANTED TO LEVERAGE.
WE ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT TRENDS IN HEALTHY LIFESTYLES, WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN STAY HEALTHY IN THEIR, UH, IN THE PLACES THAT THEY LIVE.
SO WALKABILITY, REALLY KIND OF CREATING PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IS, UH, AN IMPORTANT ETHOS IN THIS, IN THIS PROJECT.
I THINK THERE WAS ALL, KEN'S ALREADY SHOWED A GREAT SLIDE FOR WHERE THIS IS, BUT WHAT REALLY STRUCK ME AS A PLANNER IS HOW IMPORTANT THESE MAJOR ROAD SYSTEMS ARE TO THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION.
OF COURSE, WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING 35, THE TURNPIKE, ROUTE 66, ALL OF WHICH ARE MAJOR CONNECTIONS WITHIN YOUR REGION, IN YOUR AREA.
AND NOT VERY OFTEN DO WE GET THAT, UH, CONNECTIVITY IN AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS.
WHAT'S ALSO REALLY STRIKING IS, IS THAT WE'RE REALLY WITHIN 20 MILES OF ALMOST ANYWHERE IN THE METROPLEX.
IT'S ALSO VERY, UH, IMPORTANT, UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THIS SITS WITHIN ITS AREA.
THE, THE TURNER TURNPIKE PROVIDES A VERY INTERESTING AND OPPORTUNISTIC CONNECTION TO THIS LAND.
WITH THAT PENDING INTERCHANGE, IT REALLY HELPS, UH, LEVERAGE THE PROXIMITY OF SOMEONE WHO MAY LIVE OR WORK OR VISIT THIS AREA TO, TO GET THERE VERY EASILY WITHOUT, UH, MOVING THROUGH THE, UH, EXISTING STREET NETWORKS THERE.
I'M OFTEN ALSO STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT THIS IS, UH, UNIQUELY LOCATED IN A LOT OF REALLY GREAT KIND OF ALREADY GRIDDED STREET SYSTEMS THAT'LL HELP IT.
SO BEFORE WE EVEN KIND OF SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO CREATE, OUR, OUR APPROACH ON ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO IS REALLY TO SAY, WHAT DOES THE LAND TELL US? AND IF THE LAND TELLS US THAT WE WOULD BE FIGHTING IT IN ORDER TO DO A PROJECT, IN OTHER WORDS, RUINING IT BY MOVING A LOT OF DIRT AND CHANGING HOW, UH, DRAINAGE WORKS, THEN IT'S THE WRONG, IT'S THE WRONG PROGRAM FOR THE WRONG SITE.
SO WE START BY REALLY ANALYZING THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE WATERSHED, THE WATERWAYS, THE STORMWATER CONVEYANCES, AND JUST HOW, UH, THAT NATURAL SYSTEM AND THOSE NATURAL LAYERS OF VEGETATION WORK.
AND OF COURSE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT AS WELL.
SO THIS, THIS DESIGN PROCESS REALLY FOCUSES ON UNDERSTANDING NATURAL FEATURES FIRST, AND IT INCLUDES THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT AND THEN ALL THE OTHER SORT OF CONTEXTUAL THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT THAT ARE WAY BEYOND THE BOUNDARIES OF A TYPICAL PROJECT.
OFTENTIMES, PLANNERS GET VERY FOCUSED ON THE LAND WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S REALLY IMPERATIVE THAT WE START LOOKING AT THE THINGS THAT WILL INFLUENCE IT FROM ITS NEIGHBORHOOD AND FROM THE LARGER REGION.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME IS, IS THAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PLANNING IN ADVANCE OF PROJECTS LIKE THIS WITH YOUR SCHOOLS, WITH YOUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE LIKE.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THE NATURAL SYSTEMS, WE SPENT SOME TIME REALLY, UH, LOOKING AT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE, JUST A MOMENT.
SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE NATURAL SYSTEMS OVERVIEW AT TOP.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE BEEN SPENDING TIME ON THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK UTILITIES AND UNDERSTANDING HOW IT IS WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP THIS WITH THE SUPPORT OF CITY SERVICES.
WE STUDIED A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONCEPTS TO REALLY STUDY KINDA HOW THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY LOOK ON THE LAND.
UH, AND NOW WE'VE, UH, NEARLY COMPLETED A MARKET ANALYSIS THAT TELLS US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN LIVING OUT HERE, WHAT'S THAT DEMOGRAPHIC, WHAT'S THE MAKEUP, AND HOW WOULD IT SUPPORT KIND OF EDMOND AS IT GROWS FORWARD.
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TO JUST SHOW YOU, UH, SOME MORE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PUD ZONE PLANE THAT YOU SAW A LITTLE EARLIER.I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED HOW IMPORTANT FOR US IT WAS TO HAVE A WELL CONNECTED COMMUNITY IN EDMOND.
YOU'VE DONE A TERRIFIC JOB OF OFFERING THE PUBLIC A GREAT NUMBER OF TRAIL SYSTEMS. WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO CONNECT TO THAT TRAIL SYSTEM, LEVERAGE IT, ENHANCE IT, AND OFFER UP ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE ALSO ARE VERY MUCH A PROPONENT OF A HEALTHIER LIFESTYLE.
SO EXERCISE IS A BIG PART OF THAT.
CLEAN AIR OPEN SPACE SYSTEMS ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT, BUT THEN ALSO OFFERING GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR LIVING CHOICES, AS WELL AS HAVING SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU MIGHT FIND IN VILLAGE JUST AS YOU HAVE IN YOUR DOWNTOWN EDMOND.
WE WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY KIND OF CREATE A GREAT VILLAGE OF TOMORROW.
UH, ALSO EXTENDING THAT ACROSS THE, UH, INTERGENERATIONAL SPECTRUM OF DEMOGRAPHIC.
SO HERE'S THE ZONE PLAN THAT YOU SAW, AND I'M JUST GOING TO START PULLING OUT SOME OF THESE AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHERE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
UH, THIS LITTLE SQUARE SHOWS A UP IN A YELLOW ZONE, AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, A BLOW UP IN A MINUTE.
BUT THIS IS NOT JUST ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
IT'S ONE THAT'S CONNECTED, OR IT'S SURROUNDED BY GREEN.
SO IT DOES HAVE TRAIL SYSTEMS THAT RUN THROUGH IT, AND THOSE TRAIL SYSTEMS WILL ULTIMATELY LEAD TO VILLAGE.
IT'S ALSO, THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUBBLE RIGHT THERE, BUT IT'S REALLY, UM, A DEVELOPMENT THAT RUNS WELL WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY.
THAT MEANS WE'RE PRESERVING A FAIR AMOUNT OF, UH, NATURAL DRAINAGE IN BETWEEN THOSE AREAS.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF GRAPHIC THAT SHOULD POP IN HERE.
SO THIS IS YOUR TYPICAL CUL-DE-SAC KIND OF ARRANGEMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL SYSTEMS THERE IN THE LIGHTER GRAY COLOR.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE HOW THESE, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE SEPARATED BY AREAS THAT ARE MORE SENSITIVE, NOT BUILT ON, UH, AND THE LIKE.
WE ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THOSE, UH, ACCESSIBLE BY A GREAT NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A LATER SLIDE AS WELL.
UH, NEXT WE'RE GONNA GO TO THIS ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY SLIDE.
WE DO WANT TO LOOK AT A VARIETY OF CREATIVE HOUSING TYPES THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT HAS A GREAT BIG LOT AND A GREAT BIG YARD.
SO THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO ADDRESS A, A NEED THAT CAN SERVICE A DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE.
AND THIS IS ALSO, YOU CAN SEE THAT THESE, THESE BUILDINGS ARE PLANNED WITH THE CONTOURS NOT AGAINST IT.
SO IT TAKES AND LEVERAGES THE NATURAL LANDFORM TO, TO, UH, TO EMBRACE THIS CONFIGURATION.
THIS MIGHT BE, AND ALL THESE IMAGES ARE IMAGES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY OUR DESIGN, BUT THEY ARE IMAGES THAT CONVEY OUR INTENTION FOR HOW WE WOULD, HOW WE WOULD EXECUTE ON THIS.
TWO EXAMPLES, UH, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE ATTACHED NEXT CUL-DE-SAC HOME SITES.
SO OFTENTIMES CUL-DE-SACS GET A BAD RAP, BUT IN MANY WAYS, CUL-DE-SACS DO A LOT OF THINGS.
THEY ALLOW US TO PROVIDE A SECURE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY TEND TO BE SAFER, THEY HAVE LESS TRAFFIC, KIDS COMPLAIN IN THE STREET.
IN MANY CASES, CUL-DE-SACS ALSO OFFER UP ON, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITIES.
WE GET A CHANCE TO CREATE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE IN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT ACTUALLY BY ITSELF IS MUCH MORE, UM, INTERESTING OF A PLACE TO LIVE.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT MIGHT WORK.
NEXT, UH, THE ACTIVE RECREATION AREA, PART OF AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY WHERE WE'RE PROMOTING WELLNESS IS TO PROVIDE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO DO FITNESS AND HAVE, HAVE THE ACTIVITY OF THEIR CHOICE, WHETHER THAT BE PICKLEBALL, TENNIS, SWIMMING, ET CETERA.
AND THAT AREA LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THIS, WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE SOME SMALL COURT PLAY.
YOU MIGHT, UH, UH, INDIVIDUALIZE AN INDOOR SWIMMING POOL.
UH, SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES ARE OFTENTIMES DESIRED
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IN PLACES LIKE THIS.HERE ARE SOME IMAGES THAT CONVEY WHAT THOSE MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT DESIGNED IMAGES.
THEY'RE JUST HERE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM ELEMENT THAT WOULD FIT IN THIS SPOT GROCERY.
SO WE ALL KNOW THAT IN EACH COMMUNITY WE DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO BUY OUR GROCERIES IN A CONVENIENT MANNER.
UH, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, ELEMENT, NOT JUST FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND FOR THIS IMMEDIATE AREA OF EDMOND.
UH, AND THE, UH, INTERESTING THING ABOUT ITS LOCATION IS, IS IT PROVIDES EASY ACCESS FROM EXISTING STREET NETWORKS, BUT IT'S ALSO CONNECTED TO THE TRAIL NETWORKS.
SO ANYBODY LIVING WITHIN THIS PROJECT COULD POTENTIALLY WALK OR BIKE TO THE GROCERY STORE.
PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE WHOLE PROJECT IS PROMOTE A REALLY GOOD, UH, SENSE OF ARCHITECTURE.
SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN WELL DESIGNED, IT'S THOUGHTFUL.
IT ISN'T, DOESN'T, IT'S LONGER LASTING.
IT'S MORE PERMANENT AND MATERIAL TYPE.
OVER IN THIS AREA, WE HAVE A SECTION FOR WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE COMMUNITY SERVICES.
MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE OFTENTIMES LOOKING FOR PLACES WHERE THEY CAN, UH, HAVE AFTERSCHOOL CARE PROGRAMS. THERE MAY BE SOME COMMUNITY POOL, KIDS ZONE AREAS.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME COMMUNITY EDUCATION FACILITY HERE, ALL OF WHICH PROVIDE NECESSARY COMMUNITY, UM, CONNECTIONS.
AND THIS MIGHT, UH, THIS IS AN AREA KIND OF DEPICTING THE, THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
THERE MIGHT ALSO BE, UM, SOME, UH, A FIRE STATION OF SORTS, A SMALLER FIRE STATION HERE THAT COULD BE CONVENIENT TO THE PROJECT.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAD IN MIND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT.
AGAIN, IT'S REALLY ELEVATING ARCHITECTURE TO BE MORE TIMELESS, NOT DATED.
ALSO, ARCHITECTURE THAT REALLY IS COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT WE SEE AS CONTEXTUAL ARCHITECTURE.
IT'S KIND OF THE CENTRAL SPACE THAT MANY SMALL VILLAGES MIGHT HAVE.
WE SEE IT AS A PERFECT SPOT TO HAVE PROGRAMMED ACTIVITIES, WHETHER THAT MIGHT BE FESTIVALS MIGHT BE ART FAIR FOR A WEEKEND, IT MIGHT BE SPECIAL WEEKEND EVENTS, CERTAINLY AUTUMN FEST.
AND IN THOSE SPOTS, AS YOU'VE I'M SURE UNDOUBTEDLY EXPERIENCED, THERE'S A ACTIVITY THAT GROWS AROUND A CENTRAL GREEN.
SO HAVING A SPACE FOR THESE KIND OF PROGRAMMED ACTIVITIES REALLY INVIGORATES THE RETAIL THAT ARE FRAMED UP AROUND THIS SPACE.
IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE IN, UH, PARTICIPATE IF YOU'RE IN WALKING OR BIKING DISTANCE OF THIS AREA.
WE LIKE IT BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY IS ON LIKE, PRETTY MUCH THE HIGH POINT OF THIS AREA OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT HAS A REAL PRESENCE AND IT HAS A REAL KIND OF INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE FROM THIS LOCATION.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT IT SITS ON A CONNECTED GREEN.
WE'RE GONNA SHOW ANOTHER SLIDE ABOUT THAT.
SO, UH, HAVING THAT INTEGRATED GREEN SPACE PARK SPACE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE SPINE OF THE PROJECT IS A, IS A VERY IMPORTANT DESIGN ELEMENT FOR THIS, FOR THIS WHOLE, UH, VILLAGE.
HERE ARE IMAGES AND PLACES THAT RESONATED WITH US AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW THAT SPACE, THAT GREEN SPACE MAY FRAME UP.
UH, THESE ARE ALL EXISTING, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE ON COMMON SPACE PARK SPACE, LIKE THE ONE I JUST SHOWED.
THEY'RE VERY, YOU CAN SEE A WATER FEATURE IN THE, IN THE CENTER ONE.
ALL THINGS THAT, UH, PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, TOWN HOMES ON THE PARK, THIS LINEAR PARK THAT I MENTIONED THAT SHOWED A LITTLE BIT, UM, HAVING THAT LINEAR PARK, UH, UH, GIVES THE PARK SPACE BACK TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.
SO THIS KIND OF NORTH, SOUTH GREEN SPINE IS INTENDED TO BE PARK, A LINEAR PARK SPACE.
IT COULD HAVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN IT.
IT'LL CERTAINLY HAVE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, MOVE OUT OF THEIR HOMES.
MAYBE THEY PERHAPS LIVED IN SOME OTHER ATTACHED PRODUCT.
AND THIS ENDS UP BEING THEIR FRONT YARD SPACE.
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THESE ARE IMAGES OF THE TOWN HOMES THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE THINKING ABOUT.THESE ARE CURRENT EXAMPLES THAT ARE INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
I'M GONNA JUST STOP WITH THIS SLIDE FOR JUST A MINUTE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS LITTLE SQUARE ENDS UP ON A MEDIUM GREEN COLOR.
AND THEN IF YOU JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH OF THAT GREEN COLOR EXISTS, IT'S ROUGHLY 200 ACRES OF THE 645 TOTAL.
AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANY PROJECT IN EDMOND THAT HAS THAT PER PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE SET ASIDE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF BECAUSE IT DOES A LOT OF THINGS.
PROVIDES US A PLACE FOR A RECREATION.
UH, IT PROVIDES US A PLACE FOR PRESERVATION.
PROVIDES US A SPACE TO KEEP, UM, THE PLANT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE THERE TODAY.
UH, AND IT ALSO HELPS PROTECT THE WATER, UH, SHED THAT RUNS FROM THE LAND.
AND IN THIS AREA, WE FULLY INTEND TO HAVE A TRAIL SYSTEM IS, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THAT MAP, UH, IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW TRAILS MIGHT WORK THROUGH THAT SPOT.
SOME MAY BE PAVED, SOME MAY BE MORE NATURAL.
THAT'S ALL THAT'LL ALL BE DEVELOPED.
SO SINGLE FAMILY'S A BIG, UM, AND STILL A VERY DESIRED, UH, RESIDENTIAL TYPOLOGY IN EDMOND.
WE'VE CHOSEN IN THIS PARTICULAR SPOT TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT, WHICH MEANS THIS WOULD BE ALLEY FED GARAGES IN THE BACK, LIKE WE USED TO SEE.
EVEN EDMOND HAS SOME OF THOSE, I KNOW OKLAHOMA CITY DOES, UH, WITH FRONT, UH, PORCHES AND DOORS FACING COMMON GREENS.
SO THIS WOULD BE A REALLY WONDERFUL, UH, WAY TO KIND OF PRESENT THAT ARCHITECTURE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
THESE ARE IMAGES OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, FRONT DOORS, FRONT FACADES, FACING GREEN SPACES, UH, AND ALLOWING THAT PARK SPACE TO REALLY BE AN ACTIVE AMENITY.
SO PART OF WHAT HAPPENS IN A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITIES IS WE FORGET ABOUT THE AGING, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC.
SO WE REALLY ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING A SENIOR LIVING COMPONENT HERE AS WELL, SO THAT SOMEONE WHO WILL MAY LIVE HERE AS SOMEONE MIDDLE AGED, CAN JUST STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND AGE IN PLACE.
THAT'S A HIGHLY DESIRED DEMOGRAPHIC, UH, AND ESPECIALLY WITH AN ACTIVE LIFESTYLE AMENITY, UH, BASIS FOR BOTH GREEN SPACE AND, AND ACTIVE RECREATION HERE WOULD BE VERY POSITIVE.
AGING IN PLACE MEANS, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
BUT, UH, THERE COULD BE A, A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES FROM INDEPENDENT LIVING, SEPARATE SINGLE FAMILY COTTAGES ON UP TO ATTACHED, UH, ATTACHED, UH, HOUSING AS YOU SEE IN THESE IMAGES, AGAIN, IMAGES THAT REALLY KIND OF HELP US FRAME UP WHAT WE THINK MAKES GREAT SENSE FROM A VARIETY OF STANDPOINTS WITH GREAT ARCHITECTURE.
SO I MENTIONED THAT, UH, THIS IS A VERY WELL CONNECTED COMMUNITY ON THIS IMAGE TO THE RIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE THE LINE, KIND OF THE MEDIUM GREEN, INTENTIONAL GREEN LINEAR PARK AND PLAZA VILLAGE SQUARE SPACES ALL CONNECTED TO THE OPEN SPACE SYSTEM WITH TRAILS THAT RUN THROUGH IT.
WE ARE OF COURSE, WANTING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS AND ENJOY IT MUCH THE SAME WAY AS THEY WOULD ENJOY ANY OF THE CITY'S UH, AMENITIES.
THIS OTHER LITTLE VILLAGE SQUARE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
IT'S ON THE LOWER SECTION, BUT IT HAS THE SAME KIND OF CONTEXT AS THE FIRST SQUARE.
IT'S DIFFERENT IN THAT, UH, STREETS WILL ONLY HAVE TWO STREETS, ACTIVE STREETS ON SIDES.
IT PROVIDES A LITTLE SAFER SPOT FOR KIDS.
WE SEE THIS AS A VERY PROGRAM PLAZA THAT IS ACTIVE FOR, UH, THE COMMUNITY.
HERE'S A COUPLE OF IMAGES THAT KIND OF DEMONSTRATE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
AS I SAID HERE, THE TWO STREETS THAT ARE ON THE GREEN, BUT BUILDINGS KIND OF ADDRESS THE OTHER TWO STREETS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT BECOMES A LITTLE SAFER OF A PLAZA SPACE.
THIS CONDITION ALMOST MATCHES THAT SCALE.
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THESE ARE IMAGES OF THE ARTS AND, UH, THE ARTS DISTRICT IN CARMEL, INDIANA.SO WE HAVE A GREAT ACTIVE SPACE WHERE THEY SHOW FRIDAY NIGHT MOVIES, THEY LAWN AREA FOR LONG GAMES.
IT'S ALSO PROGRAMMABLE A LOT OF SPILL OUT SPACES FOR DINING AND RETAIL.
UH, WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT REALLY, UH, WERE, UH, GREAT MODELS OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN THE LAST 25 YEARS.
I WANT TO JUST SHOW YOU QUICKLY A FEW OF THOSE PLACES.
BUT THIS, THIS ENTIRE DISTRICT WAS INDUSTRIAL, UH, UNTIL THE MODAN TRAIL, A LINEAR GREEN PARK SPACE CAME TO BE A TRAIL.
IT'S A GREAT TRAIL THAT LEADS RIGHT DOWN TO DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS.
AND THIS IS THE CENTRAL FOCUS POINT FOR HOW CARMEL HAS BEGUN TO DEVELOP AND HAS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLY STRONG CASE STUDY BECAUSE IT SHOWS WHAT AN ACTIVE LIFESTYLE CAN DO TO PROMOTE A RANGE OF USES, WHETHER THAT MIGHT BE OFFICE RETAIL, MIXED DIFF UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL AND DIFFERENT HEIGHTS OF BUILDINGS AS WELL.
ANOTHER PLACE WE STUDIED IN DEPTH IS BEDALE NORTH CAROLINA.
THIS IS A LITTLE TIGHTER SPOT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COMPRESSED DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT HAD WONDERFUL STREET SIDE SPACES THAT WE FELT WERE VERY POPULAR, ESPECIALLY IN THAT CLIMATE.
DEEPLY SHADED, VERY COMFORTABLE, ACTIVE, A VERY ACTIVE PLACE THAT PEOPLE WOULD COME OUT OF THEIR, UH, APARTMENTS OR HOUSING INTO THAT SPACE.
ANOTHER IN THE, THE MUELLER DISTRICT IN AUSTIN.
REALLY TRYING TO ACTIVATE THESE THESE PUBLIC SPACES WAS CRITICAL.
THIS REALLY RESONATED WITH US BECAUSE IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT IMAGE ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIENTATION THAT WE HAVE FOR, UH, THE WESTERN PART OF OUR PROJECT.
THAT IS TO SAY THEY HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DEVELOPED A VERY INTERESTING MIXED USE DISTRICT AND PRESERVED A GREAT DEAL OF ITS EXISTING CONTEXT, THE SLOPES AND THE TREES AROUND IT.
SO THIS COULD VERY WELL LOOK LIKE OUR IMAGE IN 20 YEARS.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, UH, AS WE CLOSE OUR PRESENTATION.
THIS ISN'T A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO SOUTHEAST EDMOND AND, AND WE'D BE IDIOTS IF WE DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING, THAT THAT'S PART OF THE GROWTH OF A COMMUNITY.
AS KEN BRYAN SAID, THAT GOES FROM 96,000 TO 130,000.
AND WHILE IT MAY BE NEW TO SOME PEOPLE, THE PLANNING HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS AND IT'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT.
AND SO WHAT I WANT TO BE COMMUNICATING TO YOU RIGHT NOW IS THIS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE INITIATED THE DIALOGUE TO CAUSE THE CONVERSATION TO TAKE PLACE TO THE EXTENT IT HASN'T ALREADY TAKEN PLACE.
THOSE ARE THE DIALOGUES WE HAD AT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FORUM WHERE WE MET WITH NEIGHBORS AND THEN HAVE FOLLOW UP MEETINGS IN PRIVATE SETTINGS ON PEOPLE'S PORCHES OR ON DRIVEWAYS.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO NOTE, AND I TOLD THIS TO MAYOR NASH RECENTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY, UH, WITH GREAT SENSITIVITY THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WILL BE THE MOST BURDENED PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ALL OF EAST EDMOND WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH IT.
WE DECIDED NOT TO BREAK IT UP INTO FIVE ACRE TRACKS AND SELL OFF 130 PIECES AND HAVE 130 WELLS OUT IN THIS PART OF TOWN.
THESE WILL BE PUBLIC SERVICES THAT WILL BE USED.
THERE WILL NOT BE ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO ACCESSING THE GROUNDWATER.
UH, LAKE AWA SHOWED UP AT A COUPLE OF OUR MEETINGS AND MIKE SCH SWEN ISS HERE TONIGHT AND THINK HE'LL HAVE GREAT THINGS TO SAY.
BUT TOM BLAYLOCK AND I MET WITH MIKE AND THE PRESIDENT OF THEIR HOA BOARD FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF HOURS OUT AT THE TREE FARM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEASURES AND THE CONTROLS THAT ARE PUT ON OUR DEVELOPMENT BY THE CITY OF EDMOND, BY THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT AND BY OUR OWN PUD.
AND THEIR, OUR ABILITY TO MANAGE THAT.
AND, AND HANK CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT LATER IF WE NEED HIM TO.
BUT THE IDEA THAT OUR TRIBUTARIES, AS YOU SAW IN ONE OF OUR EARLY SLIDES, WILL BE UNDEVELOPED FOR A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET ON EITHER SIDE, WHICH WILL ALLOW CONTINUED VEGETATION TO BE THE FILTER FOR WATER GOING INTO THOSE AREAS.
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WE LEARNED BECAUSE OF THE STORM WATER DEPARTMENT, WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW WATER TO LEAVE OUR SITE AT A GREATER SPEED OR A GREATER VOLUME THAT EXISTS TODAY IN THAT PROPERTY.AND I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT FOR A LANDOWNER TO SAY THEY CAN TRUST US TO DO IT.
AND SO ALL WE HAVE IS OUR REPUTATION.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE, I THINK THE 28 YEARS OF HISTORY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THIS LAND AT THIS POINT.
THIS LAND IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
AND WHILE IT WOULD SEEM SILLY TO DO, IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE, AND WE WOULD'VE HAD THE ABILITY TO CLEAR CUT THE ENTIRE PARCEL WITHOUT ANY APPROVAL FROM ANYBODY, AND IT WOULD'VE HAD A DISASTROUS EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE OUT THERE.
AND THE INTEGRITY OF MY CLIENTS AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE LONG GAME, THOUGHTFUL AND SENSITIVE AND INTENTIONAL CAUSED THEM TO NOT ACT THAT WAY.
AND AS YOU SAW FROM THE THOUGHTFUL PLAN THAT HANK WALKED US THROUGH, EVERY ELEMENT OF OUR FUTURE PLAN FOR THIS PUD TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE LAND FIRST PEDESTRIAN, SECOND FITNESS, HEALTH, LIFESTYLE, THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH AND VEHICULAR ACCESS WAY DOWN ON THE LIST.
AND SO I KNOW, 'CAUSE I'VE MET WITH NEIGHBORS AND WE'VE BEEN AT COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND WE'RE AT PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT SENSITIVITY TO ADJACENT LANDOWNERS.
AND WE MET WITH MR. AND MRS. ASHBY AND WE MET WITH ROBERT IGO AND WE MET WITH MR. STEELE AND WE MET, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE LAKE AWASA PEOPLE.
AND, AND WE SHOW SIGNIFICANT BURDENS ON OUR LAND.
THE INABILITY TO DO WHAT IS POSSIBLE IF SOMEONE WANTED TO DO ON A FIVE ACRE TRACK AND BUILD RIGHT UP TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND AS WE'RE COMMITTED TO IN OUR PLAN, THAT WON'T BE OUR DEVELOPMENT MODEL.
IT JUST DOESN'T FIT THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATERSHED WITH LAKE AWASA AND IT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE OUR WATER GOES TO LAKE AWASA AND THE SAME ENTITY OWNS LAND NORTH OF LAKE AWASA DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHILE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER THAT COMES TO THEIR SITE, WE WOULD LIKEWISE BE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER THAT LEAVES THEIR SITE.
AND THERE'S LITTLE OF NO DETENTION REQUIREMENTS IN THE LAKE AWASA AREA.
BUT OUR DIALOGUE WITH MR. SWEN AND WITH COLIN BEVERLY HAS BEEN A COMMITMENT TO ONGOING DIALOGUE.
AS WE'VE SAID TO EVERY NEIGHBOR THAT WE'VE MET WITH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SHARE INFORMATION, WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR AND A GREAT PARTNER.
OTHER ISSUES THAT CAME UP ARE TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING THAT DEFLECTOMETER OR WHATEVER THE THING WAS CALLED, DOESN'T GO DOWN ANDERSON ROAD RIGHT NOW.
IT MIGHT PUNCH A HOLE RIGHT THROUGH THE BOTTOM OF THAT THING, I THINK.
UH, BUT WE KNOW THAT INFRASTRUCTURE DOES NOT EXIST TO, FOR THE CAPACITY OF THIS TODAY.
BUT I THINK THERE'S THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND.
'CAUSE TIMING'S ALSO AN ELEMENT.
AND THE POST ROAD ACCESS EXIT FROM TURNER THAT IS COMING IS SUPPOSED TO START IN THE SUMMER OF 26.
AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE TWO YEARS FOR IT TO BE BUILT AS THEY MAKE TURNER TURNPIKE AS SIX LANE ROAD FROM THE I 35 TO ROAD.
AND THAT'S SIGNIFICANT, THAT CAUSES DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE HERE OR ANYBODY ELSE IS HERE.
BUT THE TIMING IS RELEVANT AND IT'S NOT TOMORROW.
AND I'VE GOT TWO GOOD EXAMPLES, AND I SHARE THIS AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
COFFEE CREEK IS ONE SQUARE MILE, 640 ACRES, AND IT TOOK OVER 20 YEARS TO BUILD OUT.
AND EVERY SINGLE ITEM OF SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE WAS IN PLACE THE DAY THEY GOT THEIR ZONING.
20 YEARS FOR A, BASICALLY TODAY WOULD BE CALLED AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER THING THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS MAYBE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
AND SO WE'VE HAD DIALOGUE WITH THE JONES SUPERINTENDENT AND IT WAS A CORDIAL CONVERSATION BETWEEN TOM AND THE, UH, SUPERINTENDENT.
ODDLY ENOUGH, HE'D BEEN AT PIEDMONT AND DEER CREEK.
SO THIS MAN KNOWS ABOUT GROWING COMMUNITIES WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
AND OUR COMMITMENT WAS THE SAME TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
WE'LL CONTINUE OUR DIALOGUE AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HERE'S OUR CELL NUMBER.
AND HE OFFERED TO SAY IF HE HEARD ANY FALSE RUMORS AROUND TOWN AT THE COFFEE SHOP, HE'D SQUELCH 'EM IN THE PROCESS.
AND SO THAT WAS ENCOURAGING AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT.
AND AS YOU HEARD FROM HANK, WE HAVE OVER 200 ACRES OF NON, WHAT I CALL NON VERTICALLY IMPROVED SPACE, MAYBE A WAY FINDING SIGN, BUT TRAILS AND RECREATION AREAS AND OPEN SPACE.
AND SO WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO GET TO THIS POINT.
WE KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND OUR COMMITMENT IS TO BE MEN AND WOMEN OF INTEGRITY AND HOW WE DO OUR DEVELOPMENT AND CONTINUE THE DIALOGUE AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
AND WHEN WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT AS WE HAVE WITH THE PUD.
AND AGAIN, I'LL SAY AS I CLOSE, THE STAFF HAS BEEN AMAZING IN THIS PROCESS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, MAYOR NASH AND EVERYBODY ELSE, OUR ZONING CODE DOES NOT REALLY FOSTER A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.
OUR ZONING CODE UNTIL IT'S CHANGED HOPEFULLY SOON IS, IS URBAN SPRAWL IN ITS PRIORITY.
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WANNA SHOW ONE LAST SLIDE AND THEN I'LL, I WILL SIT DOWN AND BE QUIET.IT, THIS IS YOUR MAP FROM THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN THAT SHOWS IT'S ON MY, THERE WE GO.
THAT SHOWS THE, UH, THE ECONOMIC DRIVERS THAT HELP TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN EAST EDMOND.
AS WE KNOW, EAST EDMOND HAS BEEN SUBSIDIZED BY WEST EDMOND FOR A LONG TIME WHEN IT COMES TO THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND OUR DIALOGUE, AS MR. BRIAN SAID, CAME ALONG ABOUT THE TIME THIS WAS ALL COMING TOGETHER.
AND WE PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY IN ONE COHESIVE OWNERSHIP GROUP TO DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT IS MULTI-GENERATIONAL, THAT WAS BIRTHED IN 1997.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO ASSIST US IN THIS COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AND LET US TAKE THAT NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT PROCESS HAS MANY STEPS AFTER THIS BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS WITH THE DIRT OUT THERE.
BUT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT STEP AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
WE APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE WE'VE HAD WITH YOU AND YOUR STAFF, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE MIGHT WANNA SPEAK ABOUT OUR PROJECT QUESTIONS.
I'VE GOT ONE IF NO ONE ELSE UP HERE DOES THAT I'D LIKE ANSWERED.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, WE'LL FIND OUT TODD, WHO'S THE BEST TO ANSWER THIS.
BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT 200 ACRES AND WE SHOWED IT ON THE MAP WITH THE GENERAL LINES DRAWN.
IS THAT 200 JUST WHAT'S SHOWING UP THERE IN GREEN? SO THAT DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE THE SEPARATION WITHIN THE, THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE TREES THAT HELP SEPARATE THE, THE DIFFERENT STREETS IN THAT AREA.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO REALLY WE'RE TALKING MORE THAN A THIRD OF THESE 645 ACRES WIND UP AS AS NATURAL PRESERVATION.
THE WAY I THINK HANK, THE WAY I WOULD SEE THAT IS IF WE COME BACK WITH A SITE PLAN FOR SOMETHING, THAT SITE PLAN IS NOT GONNA BE IN AN AREA IN GREEN.
AND THAT SITE PLAN WILL HAVE THE SAME LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OF PLANT COUNT UNITS AND SPACE.
THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS WILL COME IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT IDENTIFIED IN GREEN.
AND IT WILL HAVE, IF OUR TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO COMPLY WITH AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. MOORE? UH, I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I, I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
I'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE OUT THERE AND THE TREE BUFFER FROM THEIR PROPERTY TO YOURS.
I, I KNOW THAT I'VE READ THE EMAIL THAT MR. BLAYLOCK SENT TO MR. ASHBY, UH, NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE LANGUAGE IN THE PUD TO REST THEIR CONCERNS, EASE THEIR CONCERNS.
UH, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THE FINAL PLAT SITE PLANS, BUILDING PERMITS, ENGINEERING, ALL OF THAT TO COME 20 YEARS FROM NOW PROBABLY.
UH, I SAT NEXT TO MR. MCCLENDON FIVE, SIX FEET FROM HIM.
I TOLD HIM HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO SAVE THAT TREE PRESERVED THERE.
I ASKED HIM, THE LAND IS IMPORTANT TO HIM, THE TREES ARE IMPORTANT TO HIM.
HE SHARED A STORY ABOUT IT WHEN HE WAS A KID WORKING OUT THERE.
UH, SO I I'M ASKING YOU TONIGHT, AND I KNOW THE EMAIL FROM MR. BLAYLOCK INDICATED THAT HE WOULD CONTINUE DIALOGUE WITH THEM TO CON CONTINUE TO KEEP THEM UP TO DATE AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
UH, AND I BELIEVE IF YOU, IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AT THAT AREA OF THE PROPERTY, YOU'RE CERTAINLY NOT GONNA BOTHER THE TREES BACK THERE.
UH, YOU'LL WANT TO KEEP THOSE AS TREE LINED AS POSSIBLE.
UH, WE CAN HAVE ALL THE EMAILS WE WANT AND ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE WANT.
BUT I'M ASKING YOU TONIGHT AND MR. BLAYLOCK THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE A CHAT WITH THE ASHBY'S GOING FORWARD TO SEE THAT THOSE TREES BACK THERE, UH, THERE'S A WAY TO PROTECT THEM AND TO BE REASONABLE ABOUT THAT.
THE ANSWER IS YES, EMPHATICALLY YES.
UH, I, MR. BLAYLOCK ASKED ME TO SEND HIM SOME PICTURES I TOOK AT THE ASHBY'S HOUSE THE OTHER DAY THAT SHOWS THE TREE LINE ALONG THEIR NORTH BOUNDARY LINE.
AND SO THERE WILL BE AMPLE RECORD OF MY INTEGRITY OR OUR INTEGRITY IF WE SHOW UP WITH A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT DOES NOT HONOR WHAT I COMMITTED TO TONIGHT.
AND I, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE A MAN OF YOUR WORD AND I, I
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KNOW YOU'LL SEE TO THAT.I JUST, I WANTED TO STATE THAT TONIGHT, THERE'RE HERE, IT WAS A TOUGH CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER TONIGHT.
AND, UH, MR. MCCLENDON, I APPRECIATED YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
UH, THAT YOU'LL TEND TO THE LAND, YOU'LL TEND TO THE TREES AND BE RESPONSIBLE OUT THERE AND AS WELL AS RESPONSIVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS.
UH, HANK I'M NOT A PLANNER, BUT I DO RECOGNIZE EXCELLENCE WHEN I SEE IT AND THE INTENTIONALITY OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
I MEAN, I, I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND YOUR FIRST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND I FELT LIKE EVERY SHRUB AND TREE HAD BEEN NAMED RIBBON MARKED AND THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND PRESERVED.
UH, MR. BLAYLOCK, I THINK THAT FIRST ENGAGEMENT SHOWED ME YOUR TEAM, THE PATIENCE, THE CONSIDERATION TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE, AND THE PATIENCE TO LISTEN ON AND ON AD NAUSEUM, UH, IS EXEMPLARY.
I WISH EVERY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AROUND HERE SHOWED THE SAME.
TOM, I WANT TO, MR. BLAYLOCK, I, I'VE CALLED YOU, I'VE TALKED TO YOU, I'VE MET WITH YOU, UH, EACH TIME YOU'VE BEEN FORTHCOMING AND CANDID, UH, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS YOU'VE, YOU'VE MADE TO ACHIEVE A, A GREEN AREA OUT THERE.
AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITIZENS OUT THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WOULD.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND REMEMBER AS YOU FOLLOW THOSE IN FRONT OF YOU, PLEASE TRY NOT TO REPEAT SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THIS CONVERSATION TO A RESPECTABLE TIMEFRAME.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I LIVE AT 13 3 0 9 EAST 33RD STREET.
UM, I ALSO WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO TOM AND, UM, THE APPLICANT FOR BEING WILLING TO MEET ON OUR PROPERTY AND UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.
UM, WE MOVED OUT HERE IN 2000.
WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2007.
WE ALSO PURCHASED IT FROM PATTERSON WHO SOLD THEM THEIR PROPERTY.
SO, UM, YOU'RE APPRAISING HIM.
I'M CUSSING HIM NOW, BUT, UH, IT, IT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AND NONETHELESS, UM, WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR 18 YEARS AND WE LOVE IT.
THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY, UM, IS HEAVILY WOODED, BUT MOST OF THAT IS ON THEIR SIDE OF THE FENCE.
AND SO MY MY FEAR IS, AND I KNOW THEY'VE, THEY'VE CONVEYED IT AND THROUGH THE MEETING THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
BUT IN MY LINE OF WORK, IF IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED SOMEWHERE, IT NEVER HAPPENED.
UM, SO I'M HOPING I APPRECIATE, UM, BARRY'S COMMENT AND JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE RIGHT UP FRONT BECAUSE WE'VE ESTABLISHED WHERE DRAIN DRAINAGE WATER COMES ONTO OUR PROPERTY AND HOW MUCH IS DIRECTLY FROM THE APPLICANT.
BUT THIS BUFFER OF TREES IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MAP OF THE HYPOTHETICALS OF WHERE THE GENERAL AGRICULTURAL MEETS THE YELLOW OR THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, THERE IS NO GREEN IN THAT, IN THAT BUFFER, IN THAT ZONE.
AND SO, UM, WHEN THEY DID DRAW THE CUL-DE-SAC HOMES, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL RUNS THROUGH SOME OF THE GREEN.
SO OBVIOUSLY IT, IT ZOOMED INTO A, TO A LEVEL THAT, UM, JUST DOESN'T DISPLAY ON THE LARGER, THE LARGER MAP.
BUT NOW IMAGINE ALL OF YOU HAVING THAT TRAIL RUN RIGHT IN YOUR RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE OF YOUR BACKYARD, THAT YOU CAN SIT ON YOUR BACK PORCH AND STARE AT EVERYBODY THAT'S RUNNING DOWN THAT TRAIL.
SO THOSE TREES ARE CRITICAL FOR EITHER NOISE LIGHT, UM, HEAVEN FORBID A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, YOU KNOW, WINDS UP BACK THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASILY ACCESSIBLE.
SO, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT PUTTING THEIR LEVEL OF DETAIL INTO THIS PLAN.
UM, IT WILL BE NICE TO HAVE CLOSE FIRE HYDRANTS TO OUR PROPERTY, BUT YOU KNOW, AT, AT WHAT COST? SO I'M ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE WHO'S WILLING TO MAKE THE, THE 10 OR 15 MINUTE DRIVE TO WALMART.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND THAT I MOVED OUT THERE KNOWING THAT, UM, WELL, WELL UPFRONT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE CERTAINLY COULD BE WORSE APPLICANTS THAT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS.
AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE, THE FAMILY HAS, UM, DEEP TIES TO ARCADIA AND THE AMOUNT OF PLANNING THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO THAT.
AND SO, UM, I I LOOK FORWARD TO
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FUTURE DISCUSSION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS 4,500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE UPPER LIMIT.SO WHEN I START DOING THE MATH, THAT'S 4,500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON 320 ACRES.
AND THEN WHEN YOU START ZOOMING IN FURTHER, THAT'S 14 RESIDENTIAL UNITS PER ACRE.
ZOOMING IN EVEN FURTHER, THAT'S 3,111 SQUARE FEET PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT'S YARD AND HOME.
SO IT, IT STARTS, IT STARTS GETTING CLOSER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER WITH THE, THE NUMBER OF, OF HOMES AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GONNA BE LIVING THERE WHEN RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR SINGLE HOME ON JUST UNDER NINE ACRES.
UM, I KNOW THEY SAY THEY DON'T PROJECT THE 4,500 TO EVER BE OBTAINED OR REACHED AND THEY SPECULATE AROUND 2,500, BUT THAT UPPER NUMBER IS THE ONLY LINE IN THE SAND THAT WE CAN SEE IN THIS, IN THIS PUD.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT I'VE GOT ADDRESSED IN, IN MY AGENDA TONIGHT.
SO, UM, I JUST APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ME.
MR. MAYOR, GO AHEAD, MR. ASHBY.
WE'RE GONNA GET YOU AN ANSWER ABOUT THAT 4,500 HOMES THAT'S BEEN REPORTED IN THE PRESS.
AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S ACCURATE.
THEY CAN'T DO THAT IF THEY WANNA DO THE RETAIL AS WELL AS WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
SO WE'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR THAT TONIGHT.
I THINK THEY JUST CALL IT RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO 4,500 EITHER.
UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS REPORTED AND I, I MEAN, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING ELSE THERE.
AND I, AND SO WE'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER TO SOLVE THAT RIDDLE TONIGHT.
UH, AND I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE TO QUIT TALKING.
I KEEP LOOKING AT MS. ASHBY AND I'M GONNA TEAR UP.
SO, UH, UH, WE'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
UH, MY NAME'S WESLEY SCHUMACHER LIVE AT 1901 NORTH HIGH WASI ROAD, WHICH IS ABOUT THREE MILES NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN ALSO OWN SEVEN ACRES THAT DIRECTLY ABUTS ON TINA MARIE THERE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE BOUGHT OUR, UH, CURRENT 12 ACRES THAT WE LIVE ON AND HIGH WASI ROAD ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO.
AND A LARGE PART OF THAT REASON THAT WE WANTED TO MOVE OUT AND LIVE IN THIS AREA, UH, WAS IN FACT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, INVESTMENT THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE AT THAT POINT BY THE MCCLENDON FAMILY.
THE ARCADIA FARMS HAD ALWAYS KEPT UP THEIR PROPERTY VERY WELL.
POPS, OF COURSE WAS OUT THERE.
EVERYTHING THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY NICE.
NOT TO SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE TOWN OF ARCADIA, BUT HAS ESSENTIALLY COME FROM THE MCCLENDON'S FAMILY INVESTMENT IN THAT AREA.
AND SO WHENEVER WE HEARD ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UH, COMING IN, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT MY WIFE AND I WERE BOTH VERY EXCITED ABOUT.
UH, AND THEN WHENEVER WE WENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MEETING THAT THEY WERE NICE ENOUGH TO HOLD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE DEPTH THAT THEY SHOW TONIGHT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PRESENTATION.
WE, WE VISIT SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EDMOND, WHICH IS ALREADY ONE OF THE PREMIER COMMUNITIES IN THIS STATE, TO RAISE IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL, UH, TO WHERE WE CAN HAVE ONE OF THE PREMIER COMMUNITIES FOR THE, NOT JUST THE ENTIRE STATE, BUT MAYBE THIS ENTIRE REGION OF THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY OFTEN THAT YOU GET, UH, A, A FAMILY THAT IS WILLING TO PUT THIS MUCH TIME AND EFFORT INTO HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT'S FROM GROUND UP.
AND BEING ABLE TO PUT ALL OF THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE UNITED STATES.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, HANK HAS BEEN AROUND THE WORLD FOR THAT MATTER, BUT TO BE ABLE TO PUT ALL THESE GREAT LESSONS LEARNED INTO A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GONNA BE ABLE TO GO IN ALL FROM THE GROUND UP IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT ME PERSONALLY AND MY FAMILY, WE HAVE TWO BOYS THAT ARE, UH, VERY YOUNG BEING ABLE TO TIE INTO THOSE TRAIL SYSTEMS. NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO HAVE THAT SO CLOSE BY, TO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL SO CLOSE BY.
I MEAN, YES, WE DID MOVE OUT INTO EAST EDMOND, UH, AS MR. ASHBY JUST SAID, KNOWING THAT WE ARE GONNA BE MAKING THAT DRIVE DOWN ROUTE 66 A LOT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO WALMART, SAM'S CLUB, ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES, IT'S NICE.
BUT TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S GONNA BE THIS VILLAGE CENTER THAT WILL BE A PLACE THAT I CAN TAKE MY FAMILY TO AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO DINNER WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY INTO TOWN AND BE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE MY WIFE ONE OF HER FAVORITE PLACES, SOME OF THE PLACES THAT THEY SAID THEY VISITED AROUND THE 30 A AREA IN THOSE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE EXTREMELY, UM, EXTREMELY GOOD
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OPPORTUNITY, I BELIEVE FOR THIS CITY TO HAVE A COMMUNITY LIKE THAT THAT RESIDES WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS.I LIVE AT 1 3, 1 5, 1 EAST 33RD.
UM, NOTHING WAS SAID TONIGHT ABOUT AN, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WAS SAID TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF BUFFER ZONE FOR MY PROPERTY LINE TO THE CUL-DE-SACS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT IN THAT YELLOW SECTION.
SO CAN WE GET ANSWERS WHAT THE CITY REQUIREMENTS ARE ABOUT THE ZONES, GREEN BELT BUFFER ZONES, MR. INS OR MR. BRYANT? EITHER ONE WANTED TO TACKLE THAT ONE.
RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL DOESN'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR BUFFERS.
SO, SO THERE'S THE TECHNICAL ANSWER, BUT I BELIEVE YOU HEARD WHAT MR. MOORE STATED.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I ALSO LIVE IN EAST EDMOND AND I AM FACING MANY OF THE SAME DILEMMAS THAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND JUST TO THE NORTH OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THE MCCLENDONS ARE PROPOSING, THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE BUFFER, UM, THE WAY THEY'VE GOT IT DRAWN.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF THEY'RE NOT DISTURBING THE TREES, THERE'S A SOLUTION THERE.
UM, WE'VE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE I THINK WE'VE GOT, PEOPLE ARE COMMITTED TO THAT PART OF THE CITY.
SO I AGREE AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
I JUST DON'T WANT SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD BACK DRIVEWAY.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST WANTING TO ASK.
HELLO, MATTHEW MYERS, UH, RESIDENT OF EAST EDMOND AT POST AND SECOND STREET.
UH, THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK HERE BRIEFLY.
I WOULD WAGER THAT I AM THE BIGGEST TREE HUGGER IN THIS ROOM.
UM, I SPEND, UH, HOURS AND HOURS EVERY WEEK ON THE TRAILS AT LAKE ARCADIA.
IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY SPECIAL PLACE.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, I CAN TELL THAT, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP HERE IS THOUGHT THOUGHTFUL.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A SPECIAL ONE OF A KIND DEVELOPMENT THAT I, I BELIEVE WHEN WE LOOK BACK ON THIS, YOU KNOW, YEARS FROM NOW THAT WE'LL ALL BE PROUD OF.
AND OF COURSE I ALWAYS GET EXCITED WHEN I SEE SALES TAX POTENTIAL, WHICH WE KNOW OUR CITY NEEDS.
UH, SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
YOU BETTER RUN UP HERE BEFORE SOMEONE BLOCKS YOU AGAIN.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL, YES, WE'VE DONE.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
I KNOW BECAUSE WE DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.
WE'RE BEING ALLOWED BY, MAKE SURE YOU TALK RIGHT INTO THAT MICROPHONE.
WE'RE BEING ALLOWED TO SPEAK BECAUSE WE ARE IN AN INCORPORATED PART OF, UH, OKLAHOMA COUNTY AND LYING OUT RIGHT OUTSIDE.
COULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SORRY.
I LIVE AT 1 7 6 WEST SHORE DRIVE, WHICH IS ON LAKE ACADIA.
UM, LAKE ARCADIA IS A 570 ACRE DEVELOPMENT.
IT HAS ABOUT 150 ACRE LAKE RECREATIONAL LAKE THERE.
IT'S GOVERNED BY AND OWNED BY, UH, THE, UH, LAKE HAE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY CORPORATION, OF WHICH I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF AN OFFICER.
UH, ABOUT 142 HOMES AND ABOUT 60% OF THOSE HOMES ARE OCCUPIED FULL-TIME NOW AND MORE AND MORE BEING THAT WAY BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE RETIRING, SCRAPING HOMES AND BUILDING OUT THERE.
UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 320 ACRES OF WILDLIFE, WILDLIFE AND WILDERNESS AREA THAT WE CALL.
IT'S ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF OUR, UH, UH, PROPERTY, WHICH ABUTS UP TO 15TH STREET, RIGHT TO THE LITTLE TO THE NORTHEAST THERE.
UH, WE HAVE TRAILS, IT'S A WILDLIFE AREA, THERE'S A WETLANDS IN THERE.
AND WE ALSO MANAGE IT FOR, UM, UH, FIRE PRESERVATION, OR NOT PRESERVATION, BUT UH, PROTECTION BY CUTTING DOWN THE CEDARS AND WORKING WITH THE EDMOND CITY DEPARTMENT ON THAT AS WELL.
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THE HANDOUT I GAVE YOU, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GIS THESE DAYS.I'M RETIRED AND SO I KIND OF DO THE BEST SCRATCH I COULD.
AND Y'ALL BEHIND US REALLY CAN'T SEE WHAT I'VE HANDED OUT.
BUT WHAT IT IS IS BASICALLY SHOWING THE WATERSHED AREA THAT FLOWS INTO LAKE HAE AND, UH, IT SHOWS THE, WHERE THE PUD IS LOCATED AND IMPORTANTLY IT SHOWS THE TWO MAJOR STREAMS THAT FLOW INTO LAKE OE, UH, BEAVER CREEK IS WHAT WE CALL IT.
AND SAND CREEK OR SANDY CREEK IS THE OTHER TO THE, THE LEFT THERE.
AND IF I WAS A HEART SURGEON AND THESE ARE BLOCKED SOMEHOW OR DAMAGED, UH, THESE ARE OUR WIDOW MAKERS, THIS WILL DESTROY, THESE COULD DESTROY OUR LAKE, OUR INVESTMENT AND OUR RECREATION IN RETIREMENT.
SO THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND THEY RUN RIGHT THROUGH THE PUD AS WELL AS UH, UH, DOWN TO THE SOUTH.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THESE STREAMS RUN TO THE NORTH.
MOST PEOPLE THINK OF OKLAHOMA, EITHER RUN DOWN FROM THE NORTHWEST OR SO, BUT THESE ACTUALLY RUN TO THE NORTH.
AND THEN THERE THERE'S THE DAM THERE, UH, ON SECOND STREET.
SO VERY IMPORTANT TO LAKE AWASA.
NOW, MY INTENT TO BE IN HERE AND SPEAKING IS THAT, UH, LAKE AWA IS NEEDING, IT'S NOT A ONE, IT'S A NEED BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.
UM, STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS ANY ROADS THAT MAY BE DEVELOPED ON 15TH ON, UM, ANDERSON ROAD ON THE HAE ROAD AND WHAT THE EFFECTS OF THAT STORMWATER COULD DO, UH, GOOD AND BAD TO OUR LAKE.
AND OUR PROPERTY IS GONNA BE CRITICAL.
SO WE WANNA BE PART OF THE PROCESS.
WE, UM, DON'T WANNA BE PART, WE DON'T WANNA BE A PROBLEM.
WE WANNA BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.
AND FROM MY MEETING WITH STAFF HERE AND UH, WITH TODD AND UH, UH, TOM, I GET THE ASSURANCES THAT WE WILL BE PART OF THAT.
AND THAT'S REALLY GREAT AND IT'S REALLY, UH, COMFORTING BECAUSE WE'VE HAD ABOUT FIVE, SIX WEEKS TO PREPARE OURSELVES TO WHAT THIS PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE IMPACT THIS WILL HAVE, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE PROJECT, BUT IT'S A BIG, BIG DEAL AND THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A LOT OF IMPACT OUT HERE.
AND IT'S JUST NOT THIS PUD, BUT WHAT COMES AFTER THIS PUD TO ALL THE SURROUNDING AND UH, FOR US THE MAIN ISSUE IS THE STORM WATER.
AND I KNOW THERE'LL BE CHANCES FOR US TO HAVE INPUT WITH D-E-Q-W-R-B, THE CITY STAFF, UH, WILDLIFE, UH, THE COUNTY OF OKLAHOMA, ALL THOSE, AND WE'RE PREPARED TO PROCEED WITH THAT.
I SAID BEFORE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AND WE DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WANT TO KNOW AND WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT.
AND I GOTTA HAVE THE ASSURANCES THAT WE WILL BE AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO OUR OBJECTIVE THEN IS ENSURING THE HIGHEST QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF STORM WATER RUNOFF TO MAINTAIN THE VITALITY OF THE LAKE.
HAE QUALITY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SILTING PROBLEMS COMING DOWN SAND CREEK AND AS WELL AS BEAVER CREEK.
AND UH, TO BE HONEST, EVEN IF THIS PROJECT WASN'T HAPPENING, WE AS A LAKE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF WATER COMING ONTO OUR LAND.
BUT NOW WE ARE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE TO UPSTREAM AND FIGURE OUT ALSO HOW BETTER TO IMPROVE THAT ALONG WITH ARCADIA FARMS AND POSSIBLY MAYBE EVEN WITH THE ASHBY.
'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND QUITE A BIT OF WATER FLOWS ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A PROJECT THAT US AND OUR NEIGHBORS CAN LOOK AT AND HOPEFULLY TACKLE, BUT QUALITY IS CRITICAL.
WE HAVE A DAM, WE HAVE A SPILLWAY.
WILL THEY BE SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE AN INFLUX OF WATER OR ARE WE GONNA SUFFER A DROUGHT AND WE DON'T HAVE WATER IN THE LAKE? DON'T KNOW.
NO ONE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR US RIGHT NOW.
IT ALSO SUBJECT TO MOTHER NATURE, BUT
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WE NEED TO BE PREPARED AS A LAKE COMMUNITY AND WRB CAN HELP US WITH THAT.AND UH, BUT WE WANNA BE FORWARD THINKING AND AND AND TACKLE THAT.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THAT IS IF WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE UP AGAINST.
SO, MR. MOORE, YOU SAID THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR PROMISES OR THEIR STATEMENTS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE LAND.
BUT I'D ASK YOU TO EXPAND THAT.
I WANT THEM TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE WATER.
IT'S JUST NOT THE LAND, IT'S THE WATER.
WITHOUT THE WATER, YOU DON'T HAVE THE LAND.
AND IF WE SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE WATER, EITHER SURFACE OR GROUND, WE'RE IN TROUBLE OUT THERE.
AND I KNOW NO ONE WANTS THAT, BUT WE'VE GOTTA PUT IT AS HIGH AS A, UH, UH, TAKING CARE OF THE LAND.
IT'S GOTTA BE SNAS WITH THE TWO.
I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE WATER AND LAND.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEST, I'VE WORKED A LOT OF PLACES OUT IN THE ROCKIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
JUST LIKE THE BOOK LAND, WOOD AND WATER.
NO, TODD, DID YOU HEAR THAT? YES, SIR.
I WAS MAKING SURE HE WAS PAYING ATTENTION WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
I THINK HE'S, HE'S RIGHT AND HE, AND HE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT PASSES BY HIM, I'M PRETTY SURE.
BUT AGAIN, JUST BE, WHEN WE GO DOWN THE NEXT 10, 20 YEARS, WHATEVER, JUST EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT HOW BEING TO BE THE STEWARDS OF THE, UH, OF THE, UM, WATER AND THE LAND.
I HOPEFULLY I'M STILL KICKING BY THEN, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE PARAMOUNT IN ALL OUR DECISION MAKING.
I BELIEVE THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S MY OPINION.
I'D LIKE TO LET SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
I, I'M SORRY, I'D LIKE TO LET SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
SO ALL THE INDICATION, IT'S BEEN GREAT.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THANK YOU TO EDMONTON.
THANK YOU FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS.
THEY'VE DONE A HECK OF A JOB AND UH, I HAVE FULL FAITH THAT WE CAN MAKE A GREAT PROJECT OUT HERE.
ANYONE ELSE? US? GOOD EVENING.
I LIVE AT 1 7 1 6 6 ANDERSON ROAD.
ALTHOUGH, UH, I DON'T LIVE, UM, I'M IN PART OF THE UNINCORPORATED AREA.
WE BACK RIGHT UP TO LAKE HIE, UH, THEIR AREA RIGHT THERE.
UM, I MIRROR A LOT OF THE, MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED.
I'LL DO MY BEST NOT TO, UH, GO OVER THOSE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
UH, THERE ARE ASPECTS OF IT, I THINK THAT, UH, I COULD BE EXPOUNDED ON IT TO A GREATER DEGREE.
UH, WE HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE WATER MANAGEMENT AND THE RUNOFF.
A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE RUNOFF THERE, UH, THAT, UH, WE GET COMING DOWN A, UM, UH, WE DID, IT'S NOT A CREEK.
IT'S A WET, WET WATER, WET, UH, WET WEATHER CREEK.
SO WHENEVER IT'S WET OUTSIDE, WE HAVE A CREEK GOING DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY.
SO WHAT COMES DOWN THAT I UNDERSTAND, WE'VE BEEN TOLD, UM, AS A DEVELOPMENT GOES IN, THEY CAN'T ALLOW MORE WATER TO BE FUNNELED DOWN.
THAT WOULD ALREADY BE COMING DOWN.
HOWEVER, WHAT'S IN THAT WATER IS GONNA DRASTICALLY CHANGE BECAUSE PEOPLE, WHEN YOU DROP, UM, THE POTENTIAL OF 11,000 PEOPLE, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF THOUSANDS OF CARS IN A DEVELOPMENT, PEOPLE ARE WASHING THEIR CARS.
THEY'RE, UH, SPRAYING PESTICIDES, ALMOST EVERYBODY SPRAYS, PESTICIDES, TREATS THEIR GRASS, TREATS THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THEY'RE GONNA BE, THAT ALL IS GONNA BE RUNNING WHEREVER IT RUNS TO.
AND THE PARTS OF IT THAT RUN THROUGH MY PROPERTY, YOU'RE GONNA RUN RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY WHERE WE HAVE, UH, WELLS, WHERE WE HAVE, UH, KIDS PLAYING.
AND THERE'S NO WAY TO QUANTIFY HOW MUCH OR WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY.
WE JUST KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO EXIST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UM, PUTTING A, A DEVELOPMENT IN AS MANY, UH, VERY NICE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE GONE.
IN EAST OF 35, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING IN ON THE SCALE OF A CITY.
UM, NOW, I DUNNO IF WE'VE GOTTEN SPECIFIC NUMBERS TO THE NUMBER OF DWELLINGS NOW THAT, UH, HAVE GONE IN, BUT THE, THE NUMBERS MENTIONED UP TO 4,500.
UH, THE EXAMPLES, GIVEN THAT I HAVE READ, USED A, UM,
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A POPULATION PER HOUSEHOLD.ACTUALLY, IT'S LOWER THAN THE OKLAHOMA NATIONAL AVERAGE, AND IT STILL COMES OUT TO 11,000 PEOPLE DROPPED INTO THIS AREA.
SO, UH, YOU HAVE 11,000 PEOPLE NEXT DOOR, ESSENTIALLY, TO US.
UM, WHICH IN, IN AND OF ITSELF, IT MAY HAPPEN.
THESE DEVELOPMENTS GO IN IN DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, FIVE OR SIX STORY BUILDINGS GOING IN OVER THERE.
AND SO THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE RUNOFF THAT'S GONNA AFFECT, UM, NOISE POLLUTION.
SO, UM, AND WHAT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF TONIGHT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO IMPUTE ANYBODY'S INTEGRITY, BUT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF, WELL, WE PROMISE, UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION AS FAR AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE BUFFERS FOR THE TREES OR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THESE DIFFERENT AREAS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT MAY, UH, BE IN CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NEXT TWO OR THREE DECADES.
AND ANYTHING THAT IS NOT HARD LINE ON PAPER IS COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE.
I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION MOST OF MY LIFE AND SEEN CHANGES HAPPEN SOMETIMES ON A, ON A WEEKLY BASIS, LET ALONE OVER DECADES FOR, UH, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND WHO SAID WHAT AND WHO PROMISED WHAT.
UH, I'VE BEEN IN, UH, I'VE WORKED FOR PEOPLE AND I'VE BEEN IN, IN BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE WE USED A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT AND DIDN'T PUT THINGS ON PAPER.
I HAVE NEVER ONCE HAD THAT WORKOUT CORRECTLY, UH, AND, UH, NO LONGER PRACTICE THAT WAY MYSELF.
SO HEARING, I'M SURE THIS PERSON IS BEING HONEST ABOUT IT MEANS VERY LITTLE TO ME WHEN I DON'T KNOW THE PERSON.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO IMPUTE ANYBODY'S SPECIFIC INTEGRITY.
THIS IS JUST A, A, A PRINCIPLE THAT, UH, I APPLIED A BUSINESS ACROSS THE BOARD, AND I WOULD EXPECT ANY CITY, UH, TO REQUIRE THAT SAME KIND OF DOCUMENTATION AD NAUSEUM IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UH, WHEN THIS IS COMPLETED, UH, MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM ARE NOT GONNA HOLD THE POSITIONS THEY HOLD.
AND MANY OF US MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ALIVE IF IT'S 40 YEARS FROM NOW.
UH, AND SO HAVING THESE THINGS ON PAPER IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE.
UM, I ALSO, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HAS BEEN SAID AS FAR AS, UH, OR HOW, HOW MUCH HAS BEEN STUDIED AS FAR AS, UH, WE, WE MENTIONED THE SCHOOLS, UH, ADDING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, THE JONES SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I HAVE CHILDREN THAT ARE ABOUT TO START SCHOOL THEMSELVES.
UH, I'M GONNA ADD THREE TO A SCHOOL DISTRICT, NOT 3000.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT AS WE GO, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED THAT, UH, THESE THINGS WOULD BE OKAY.
HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA CONTEND WITH 3000 CHILDREN ENTERING A SCHOOL DISTRICT? BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE SCOPE OF THIS.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER, AS WAS MENTIONED, THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE DONE SIMILAR THINGS.
AND THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY STUDIED MAYBE 25.
WELL, THERE AREN'T VERY MANY OF THEM.
UM, I GREW UP IN CALIFORNIA, AND I GREW UP IN A CITY VERY MUCH LIKE EDMOND IS TODAY.
THERE WAS A LOT OF AGRICULTURE, UH, ON THE OUTSKIRTS.
IT WAS BEING PUSHED OUT QUITE A BIT.
I WENT TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL WHEN I WAS YOUNG, AND, UH, THAT SCHOOL WAS THE ONLY THING IN THAT AREA.
AND AS HOUSES WERE BUILT AROUND IT, FROM THE TIME THE FIRST HOUSE WAS BUILT, WITHIN 10 YEARS, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO HAD MOVED IN NEXT TO THE SCHOOL STARTED REQUIRING CHANGES BE MADE OR PETITIONING THE CITY FOR QUICK, FOR CHANGES TO BE MADE.
AND THAT SCHOOL HAD TO CHANGE, UM, WHERE THEY ALLOWED RECESS TO HAPPEN, WHERE THEY ALLOWED KIDS TO BE, CHANGE THEIR PLAYGROUNDS.
AND, UH, WHAT I'M GETTING AT WITH THAT IS THAT THOSE OF US WHO LIVE AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY IT DRASTICALLY ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO TO SPEAK, BORDERING THIS LAND WHO, UM, ARE REGULARLY, UH, WHERE IT IS LEGAL, DISCHARGING, FIREARMS, SPREADING MANURE, HAVING LIVESTOCK, HAVING REGULAR BURN PILES GOING ON.
UH, HOW ARE THOSE THINGS GOING TO AFFECT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING INTO THAT AREA? AND THEREFORE, UH, THE, BY SHEER NUMBERS, HOW ARE THE POTENTIAL OF 11,000 PEOPLE NOT GOING TO, UH, BASICALLY OVERRUN THOSE OF US WHO ALREADY LIVE IN THIS AREA? EVERYBODY, EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO MOVED INTO THIS AREA MOVED INTO THE AREA, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE A LONG WAYS AWAY FROM A GROCERY STORE.
EVERY PERSON WHO MOVED TO THIS AREA PURPOSELY MOVED AWAY FROM, UH, A SPRAWLING, UH, DOWNTOWN AREA.
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AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS NOT JUST HOMES, IT'S HOMES, POST OFFICE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE, GROCERY STORES, AND WHATEVER ELSE MAY GO INTO IT.UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
CONSIDER THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED, WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA RIGHT NOW.
WE HEARD, UH, ONE OF THE LONGEST PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT WAS ABOUT THE ROADS IN EDMOND.
NOW WE'RE GONNA ADD HUNDREDS OF MILES OF ROADS, UM, WHEREAS JUST, JUST TO BRING THE ROADS WE HAVE UP TO THE OKLAHOMA CITY STANDARD, WHICH DUNNO IF YOU'VE DRIVEN IT THROUGH OKLAHOMA CITY LATELY.
I DUNNO, A 70 DOESN'T SEEM THAT GOOD TO ME.
WE'D HAVE TO, UH, WE WOULD'VE TO QUADRUPLE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING INTO IT JUST TO HANDLE THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE.
ALL OF THESE THINGS I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE RUNOFF AND WHAT'S ON PAPER, WHAT ARE, WHAT'S MY RECOURSE GOING TO BE IF MY WELL, UH, IS CONTAMINATED, I HAVE REGULAR TESTING DONE TO IT, UM, WHAT IS MY RECOURSE GOING TO BE IF I HAVE A BURN PILE AND SOMEBODY KEEPS CALLING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON ME?
UH, VEHICLE ACCESS IS ANOTHER THING.
UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE VEHICLE ACCESS IS NOT ON THE TOP OF THE LIST.
IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LIST TO THOSE OF US WHO LIVE THERE.
IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE LIST BECAUSE IT WAS PARTICULARLY ON ANDERSON.
UM, POST ANDERSON WESTMINSTER, THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE MAJOR AREAS THAT CONSTRUCTION CREWS ARE COMING IN FOR DECADES TO USE.
THEY'RE THE BEST ROADS, THEY'RE THE BIGGEST ROADS.
AND SO BASICALLY FOR DECADES, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, CONSTRUCTION ROADS.
THOSE ARE ROADS THAT PEOPLE WALK THEIR DOGS ON, CHILDREN RIDE THEIR BIKES ON.
SO IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF WHEN IT'S COMPLETED, IT'S A MATTER OF SEVERAL DECADES OF CONSTRUCTION MOVING UP AND DOWN THESE ROADS.
UM, IT'S A MATTER OF, UH, NOT JUST DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN AND PEOPLE LIVING NEAR YOU.
THERE MAY BE A FIVE STORE STORY BUILDING GOING IN ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, NONE OF US, ONCE OUR, OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE KNOCKED DOWN, UH, FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE A FIVE STORY BUILDING BUILT NEXT TO IT.
NOW THESE THINGS MAY HAPPEN AND MAY NOT, THEY MAY HAPPEN OVER THE 30 YEARS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT, UM, THAT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO MATTERS IN THIS SITUATION.
UH, HOWEVER, AS I SAID, I, I URGE THE, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS AREA.
SOME OF THEM ARE MORE AFFECTED THAN OTHERS.
THE, UH, THE WILDLIFE MOVES THROUGH WILL BE AFFECTED.
THE WATER FLOW WILL BE AFFECTED, THE TRAFFIC WILL CHANGE, THE NOISE POLLUTION WILL CHANGE FOR BOTH SIDES, EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING IN THERE.
UH, BECAUSE, AND I, I'VE STRESSED THIS POINT.
I KNOW 11,000 PEOPLE IS NOT JUST A DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A CITY BEING PUT INTO PLACE IN THIS SPOT.
I DON'T WANNA GO OVER ANYTHING ANYBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY GONE OVER, MORE OR LESS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, IN THESE SITUATIONS, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE ARE NOT GENERALLY CONSIDERED TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT.
WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE MOVED IN, I, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IS THE CASE.
WE, UH, WE MOVED A FEW YEARS AGO OUT TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.
UM, BUT WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS BASICALLY THAT, UH, THEY ARE A TRUSTWORTHY COMPANY.
THAT THEY ARE, HAVE GIVEN THEIR WORD TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
THEY WILL ACCOMMODATE LOCALS WHERE THEY CAN, BUT IF THEY CAN'T, I EXPECT THE LOCALS TO GET STEAMROLLED ESSENTIALLY.
UM, AND ON OUR STREET, WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 35 PEOPLE WHO GET TOGETHER TWICE A YEAR AND GATHER TO, UM, BASICALLY RIGHT THERE ON THE STREET.
AND NOBODY THAT I TALKED TO WHO GATHERED THERE HAD TALKED TO ANYBODY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OR KNEW ANY MORE THAN THEY FOUND OUT BECAUSE THEY HAPPENED TO SEE THE SIGNS AND HAD TO LOOK FURTHER INTO IT FOR THEMSELVES.
SO THIS IS REALLY SO BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS, UM, FOR A LOT OF US, WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TIME TO MAKE THE, THE PLANNING MEETING TO SEE ANY OF THIS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO WITH ALL THE TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON FOR THE LOCALS, I'M SURE THEY HAVE DONE DUE DILIGENCE WHEN IT COMES TO BUSINESSES OR NOTABLE PEOPLE.
UH, BUT MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE A THIS PROPERTY HAD NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, AND IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT SHOCKING.
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THEM THAT I TALKED TO AND TRIED TO GET TO COME TONIGHT BASICALLY UNDERSTOOD THAT, UH, IT'S EITHER A DONE DEAL OR THERE'S NO ABILITY TO CHALLENGE A, UH, A BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY WHO WANTS TO MOVE IN WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.SO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO CHANGE IT, AFFECT IT, OR MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, MR. MAYOR, I I, I I'M GONNA HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, NO, YOU'RE GONNA FINISH UP REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU'VE SAID THREE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME HOW I'M GONNA BEHAVE, HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO DOWN.
I'VE ALREADY MADE MY MIND UP ABOUT SOMETHING FOR 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AND I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO IT ANYMORE.
MR. MOORE, I, I, I, UH, APOLOGIZE ABOUT
YOU SAID CITIZEN, THE CITIZENS WILL GET STEAM ROADED.
NOBODY KNEW ABOUT THIS AND IT WAS A DONE DEAL.
AND YOU CAN'T FIGHT A BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION.
FINISH THIS UP AND THEN I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO CLARIFY THOSE OR, OR NO, THOSE POINTS? NO, I WANT YOU TO, I'VE HEARD THAT'S SUFFICIENT OF WHAT YOU'VE HAD TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
MR. CHAMBERLAIN, YOU'VE ACCUSED ME OF NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE CITIZENS.
AND I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO THAT.
SIR, I WAS TALKING DIRECTLY ABOUT THE 20.
YOU SAID THE CITIZENS ARE GONNA GET STEAMROLLED.
THEY HAVE NO CHOICE IN THIS MATTER.
SO WHEN YOU GET THIS BUTTONED UP, WHAT YOU'VE GOTTA SAY, I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY.
UM, I'M SPEAKING DIRECTLY FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE NOT IN YOUR DISTRICT.
UH, I'M IN, I'M, I'M ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.
BASICALLY, THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT I HAVE NO ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT DECISIONS YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE OR HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT THIS MEETING IS FOR.
I KNOW THAT I HAVE TO LEAVE IT IN YOUR HANDS TO, UH, MAKE ANY CONCESSIONS TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR AFFECT THIS DEAL WHATSOEVER.
AND WHATEVER CONTROL THERE IS IS IN YOUR HANDS.
AND I, I'M HOPING THAT, NOT THAT YOU'RE GONNA JUST STOP THIS DEAL ALTOGETHER, BUT THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER, UH, MANY OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO, LIKE I SAID, ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EDMOND, BUT NOT DIRECTLY REPRESENTED BY YOU.
SO I APOLOGIZE IF I INSULTED ANYBODY.
UH, LIKE I SAID, MY NOTES WERE, I USED TO GET INSULTED.
IT'S JUST NOT THE FACTS ON WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.
UM, I I WILL, I WILL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR.
UM, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T MEAN TO INSINUATE ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IN THE END, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY GOING TO BE STEAMROLLED BY IT.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AND UH, I'LL SIT DOWN.
GO RIGHT AHEAD, MR. CHAMBERLAIN.
I LISTENED TO EVERY ONE OF 'EM.
HERE'S WHAT I WANNA SAY ABOUT THAT.
IF THE PUD PASSES TONIGHT, WHICH I INTEND TO VOTE FOR IT TONIGHT, BUT IF THEY DON'T DO WHAT THEY HAVE PROMISED ME, WHEN THEY COME IN FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT, A FINAL PLAT, A SITE PLAN, ANYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE THIS BODY IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY DON'T KEEP THEIR WORD TO ME, I'LL VOTE NO.
WILL YOU BE ON THE BOARD UNTIL HELL WON'T HAVE IT? IF THEY DON'T DO WHAT THEY PROMISED ME TONIGHT UNTIL YOU'RE RETIRED FROM POSITION THAT YOU'RE IN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE MULTI MR. CHAMBERLAIN, YOUR TIME IS UP.
I'M GONNA ADD ONE COMMENT TO THIS AS WELL.
'CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ME SAY IT ONCE.
I LIVE IN EAST EDMOND, I FACE MANY OF THESE SAME ISSUES THAT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
AND THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE USE IN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT TO ADDRESS IT.
WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL WHO WILL MAKE DEVELOPERS STICK TO THEIR WORD WHEN THEY TELL US THERE IS A PROCESS.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE HEARD IN THE PROCESS, STICK WITH IT.
AND I KNOW THE ASHBY'S WILL, I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AT LAKE OE WILL, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE PROCESS PLAY OUT CORRECTLY.
THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST STEP OF MANY.
SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE UP HERE LISTENING AND KNOW NOBODY IS IGNORING THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
NOBODY ON THIS COUNCIL IS, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? MY NAME IS DAN O'NEILL.
NORMALLY I COME UP HERE AND TELL YOU WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUGHT TO BE DOING AND WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, OR A COUPLE YEARS ABOUT LAST YEAR
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WHEN DARRYL WAS IN CHARGE OF THE COUNCIL, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO PUT SEWER AND WATER UP TO WATERLOO.AND I CAME DOWN THERE TO SPEAK AGAINST IT.
AND UH, JOSH MOORE CAME DOWN THERE AND DEREK TURNER CAME DOWN THERE AND THEY SAID, WHAT THE HELL YOU GUYS THINKING? ANYWAY? WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT TO PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE TO A FACILITY THAT CAN DO NOTHING BUT SET UP SALES TAX TRAPS RIGHT IN FRONT OF 'EM GOING TO EDMOND.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HERE.
CHRISTY, COULD YOU SHOW THAT MAP WHERE THEY HAVE PICTURES OF, OF THE 2050 PLAN WITH A BIG, BIG TOWER AND YELLOW THING OUT THERE FOR THIS PROJECT WHEN WE WERE MY LAST SLIDE.
IT IS LIKE THE, ALMOST THE VERY LAST SLIDE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
WHEN WE WERE DOING THAT PLAN, UH, JOSH MOORE, COUNCILMAN MOORE WAS REALLY, UH, ENTHUSED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
HE WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
YOU SEE WHERE 66 IS THERE, THAT TOWERING THING, UH, TOWERING AREA.
THAT'S THE PROJECT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WELL, IT WAS JUST AN IDEA THEN.
IT WAS AN INTERESTING IDEA BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, IF THE, UH, INTERSTATE, UH, TURNER TURNPIKE WAS HAVING ACCESS, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW? WELL, UH, IN, UH, IN BUSINESS LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION THAT'S ON THE FRINGE OF OUR TOWN, THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SALES TAX SIPHON LIKE WE'VE NEVER SEEN IN OUR CITY'S HISTORY.
THESE PEOPLE WILL DRIVE TO WORK OFF THE TURNER TURNPIKE.
THEY WILL GET ON THE ICE I 35 AND GO SOUTH, AND THEY'LL MOVE THERE BECAUSE IT'S REAL EASY TO GET TO THEIR JOB IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA EVEN DRIVE THROUGH EDMOND.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN GONNA PARTICIPATE IN EDMOND.
THEY'LL FIND WAYS OF DOING THINGS IN THAT AREA THERE.
WHAT THIS PROJECT IS HURTS US IS IT'S HALF IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
WE ARE SETTING UP US UP FOR A NUCLEAR SALES TAX WAR BETWEEN OKLAHOMA CITY IN EDMOND.
AND I GUARANTEE YOU HEAD TO HEAD, WE'RE GONNA LOSE BIG TIME.
AND ALL OF THIS PROJECT IS, IS A SALES TAX DRAIN AND A VERY EXPENSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE WILL NOT BE REIMBURSED FOR.
IT'LL BE NO BENEFIT FOR US BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART, MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WILL SPEND EITHER IN THAT AREA OR A MUCH BROADER SHOPPING AREA.
IF YOU'RE ON THE INTERSTATE, WELL, LET'S JUST GO DOWN THE KIRKPATRICK AND SHOP OVER THERE.
IT JUST, AND EDMOND WOULD NOT BE BESIDES TRAFFIC SO BAD IN EDMOND
OKAY? UH, THERE'S A REAL SERIOUS QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER AND SEWER FOR THIS KIND OF AN AMBITIOUS PROJECT.
DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO ADD THREE MILES OF SEWER AND WATER TO THIS AREA? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH FURTHER IT IS, BUT I KNOW IT'S ON THE VERY EDGE OF TOWN.
THERE'S NO ONE OUT THERE WHEN YOU KNOW JOSH COUNCILMAN MOORE, HIS FIRST JOB WAS IN EEDA.
HE'S ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH AND BUILDING THINGS.
OKAY? AND THAT'S WHY THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SO MASSIVE.
AND IF THEY THINK, LET'S GO BACK TO THE TOPIC OF LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.
THIS IS NOT CONNECTED TO EDMOND IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
AND BEFORE WE RUN OFF AND DECIDE WE OUGHT TO DO THIS, I AM ASKING THE COUNCIL TO TAKE A PAUSE TO DEDUCT, TO CONDUCT A, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACT, AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY ON JUST WHAT THE POTENTIAL RAMIFICATIONS OF APPROVING A PROJECT THAT MASSIVE ON THAT AREA RIGHT AGAINST OKLAHOMA CITY.
AND THEY'VE GOT ALL THE PRIME LAND RIGHT NOW, NOT EDMOND ON THE INTERSTATE.
AND THEY CAN LOAD THAT UP LIKE YOU, LIKE THEY WANT TO OR CAN TO, THEY CAN PUT ANOTHER $11 BILLION PROJECT LIKE THEY APPROVE WHAT THE SHELLERS, UH, THE BASS P TYPE PLACE THAT THEY JUST DID ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE KIRKPATRICK.
THEY, THEY'LL, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMPETE WITH THEM IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR BUSINESSES.
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DO THIS, LET'S TAKE TIME, PAUSE AND HAVE AN, UH, ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY OF WHAT THIS POTENTIALLY COULD DO TO OUR CITY AND WHETHER WE CAN AFFORD TO PROVIDE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS AREA FOR A PEOPLE THAT REALLY AREN'T, WON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE PART OF OUR TOWN.AND, UH, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
AND I WISH I WAS AS CONVINCING AS DEREK WAS, UH, WHEN HE SPOKE, UH, TO THE COUNCIL LAST YEAR.
THEY KILLED THAT PROJECT RIGHT AWAY.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? MY NAME'S SCOTT KAMAN AND I'M A EDMOND CITIZEN.
I JUST WANNA SAY A PROJECT LIKE THIS, UH, JUST A HEALTH AND WELLNESS FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S THIS PROJECT OR ONE'S AROUND IT LIKE THIS, IT JUST, I THINK IT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
I HAVE TWO GIRLS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT TO SAY AND BE, THEY REALLY ENJOY, UH, RUNNING AROUND IN NATURE OUT THERE, THE TRAILS AND THEN BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE COFFEE SHOPS AND THE MIXED USE.
I THINK IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR EVEN AGING IN PLACE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE AND KIND OF THAT MIXED USE AND NOT HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE LARGE YARD WHERE YOU CAN STAY WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS ONE.
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE? I'M GONNA ASK FOR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL, BUT I NORMALLY LET YOU ALL SPEAK FIRST.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS ANY OF THAT? I'D BE HAPPY TO JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS IF I COULD.
UH, I THINK I'LL START AT THE END AND WORK MY WAY BACK REAL QUICKLY.
UH, THE ISSUE OF MY CHARACTER AND ME BEING HERE TO, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
IT'S APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL.
IF IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, UH, IT HAS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THERE ARE ZERO VARIANCES TO THE CITY OF EVANS REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT REGARDING STORM WATER AND THOSE OTHER THINGS.
YES, THERE'S A RECORD BEING MADE TONIGHT AND IT'S ONLINE.
AND IF SOMEBODY SHOWS UP, TOM OR I OR SOMEBODY ELSE, OR WILL THREE YEARS FROM NOW, AND THIS GROUP IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, THAT RECORD OF MINUTES WILL BE READ IN ANY OPPOSITION AND SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS SAID YOU WEREN'T GONNA ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS.
AND SO IT'S NOT JUST MY INTEGRITY AND MY RECORD OR, OR THE FAMILY OR TOM, IT'S THE PUD, THE CITY OF EDMOND'S ORDINANCES AND THE RECORDS THAT'S BEING MADE TONIGHT.
SO WITH MR. CHAMBERLAIN, AND I APPRECIATE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA, BUT IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE TODD SAID SO AND YOU CAN TRUST ME AND YOU'RE GONNA GO DO IT.
I MEAN, I AM A MAN OF INTEGRITY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE STANDARD THAT GOES INTO THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.
AND I DO WANNA ADDRESS A COUPLE OTHER THINGS, AND I'LL GET TO MR. MOORE'S COMMENT ABOUT THE 4,500 UNITS AS PART OF THIS.
THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT SAID THAT THERE'S 4,500 UNITS AND IT USED A NUMBER OF 2.6 RESIDENTS PER UNIT.
UH, EDMOND'S AVERAGE IS 1.6 RESIDENTS PER UNIT JUST FOR THE SIMPLE MATH OF THAT.
ANOTHER NUMBER THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND I ALREADY TOLD YOU, WE'VE COMMUNICATED WITH THE JONES SCHOOL SYSTEM AND EDMOND, OVER 60% OF HOUSEHOLDS DO NOT HAVE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.
SO THE IDEA THAT IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN GONNA BE A LAND RUN AND IT'S GONNA CHOKE OUT THE SCHOOLS AND IT'S GONNA DESTROY THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'RE BUILDING THE CITY, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF THE TRUTH.
UH, THE COMMENT ABOUT WHY WE HAVE 4,500 ALLOWABLE UNITS AND WHY WE HAVE 120 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL IS BECAUSE OF THE FLEXIBILITY THAT THAT ALLOWS.
WE'VE RUN FOUR OR FIVE CONCEPTUAL MODELS.
THE MOST WE'VE SEEN IS AROUND 2,800 TOTAL UNITS, JUST IN ALL CANDOR.
SO THEN YOU SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU MOVE YOUR NUMBERS? 'CAUSE WELL TODAY WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
WE KNOW THE MARKET WILL BE CHANGING OVER THE LIFE OF THIS PROJECT.
IT'S UNLIKELY WE COULD SELL THAT MANY UNITS 'CAUSE THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY AMENITIES OF RETAIL AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND USE.
SO WHY WOULD THEY WANNA LIVE OUT THERE? SO THERE IS A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE AVAILABLE SERVICES, PRIVATE AND PUBLIC THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE OUT THERE.
AND SO, UH, WHEN WE DID OUR OUR WORK AND CAME UP WITH OUR NUMBERS, WE ADDED SOME SIGNIFICANT FLUFF FOR IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S, WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT AROUND EDMOND A LOT OF TIMES.
A SILLY EXAMPLE, WE DID 40 ACRES OF OPEN DISPLAY AT COVE AND KELLY AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GONNA FRONT KELLY OR FRONT COVE, BUT WE DID IT ANYWAY AND LOWE'S CHOSE TO FRONT KELLY.
I MEAN, THERE'S A HISTORY OF THAT HAPPENING WITH OUR PUDS BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER RESTRICTIONS AND CONTROLS IN PLACE WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
REGARDING LAKE AWA AND THE WATER ISSUE, UH, MR. SWEN SAID THEY ALREADY HAVE A WATER PROBLEM.
HE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK OVER ANOTHER.
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WHAT MR. BLAYLOCK OFFERED TO HIM IS WE HAVE HYDROLOGY ENGINEERS WITH THE SMITH GROUP, WHICH IS A WORLDWIDE ORGANIZATION, HAVE ALREADY BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO SHARE OUR DATA WITH THEM AS THEY TRY TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM AT LAKE AWA.JUST LIKE WE HAVE ALREADY SHARED OUR INFORMATION WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY OF EDMOND PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE DATA THAT WE'VE COMPILED SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE BENEFIT OF THAT.
UH, AND, AND YOU CAN QUOTE ME ON THAT.
I WILL BE COMPLETELY CANDID THOUGH AND TELL YOU THIS.
WHEN WE MET WITH MR. SWEN AND MR. BEVERLY, UH, THEY MENTIONED SOME RESERVATION ABOUT WHO MIGHT BE ON THEIR SIDE THAT WOULD BE NOT CRAPPY TO US IN THE PROCESS.
AND MR. BLAYLOCK SAID TO MAKE NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. IF SOMEBODY IS CRAPPY MY WORD'S NOT THEIRS, THEN THAT COOPERATION WILL END PRETTY QUICKLY.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST FAIRNESS.
AS WE LOOK TO BE PARTNERS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OUT THERE, UH, I'M SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
WE MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, SETBACKS REGARDING THE INTERIOR OF OUR DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE DO WITH RESPECT TO THE EXTERIOR, UM, THE TRIBUTARIES, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO TALK ANYMORE ABOUT THE WATER QUALITY, BUT THERE'S AN EARLY SLIDE THAT SHOWED OUR AREA AND WE CAN EXPLAIN HOW THAT WILL BE MANAGED, BUT IT'S NOT TODD'S WORD OR TOM'S WORD OR WILL'S WORD.
THAT'S THE EDMOND STORM WATER CONTROL, UH, ORDINANCES THAT ARE IN A PLACE AS THAT MOVES FORWARD.
SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE ON MY LIST.
HE, UH, MR. CHAMBERLAIN MENTIONED VEHICLE ACCESS FIRST OR NOT FIRST MY COMMENT WAS WE'RE DESIGNING THIS NOT BECAUSE OF NEEDINGS A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ON EITHER SIDE OF A ROAD SO WE CAN HAVE ALL THESE CARS DRIVING UP AND DOWN THIS AREA THAT'S SECONDARY TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.
IT WASN'T ACCESS THAT WAS USAGE AND HOW WE'RE PLANNING THE WALKABILITY OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.
I CAN SPEAK TO MR. O'NEILL'S COMMENTS.
I I THINK ALL OF THOSE STUDIES CAME TOGETHER IN THE EAST EDMOND 28 OR 2050 PLAN.
AND THE IDEA ABOUT HOW PRIVATE LAND GETS DEVELOPED IS NOT NECESSARILY DICTATED BY A CITY.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, AT ONE POINT THE TURNPIKE AUTHORITY TALKED ABOUT DOING AN ACCESS ROAD ALONG THE SIDE OF THE TURN TURNPIKE TO ENCOURAGE COMMERCE, MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE ON THE KILPATRICK ALONG WESTERN AND PENN AND MAY.
AND THEY SHELVED THAT PROJECT.
AND SO IF SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, THE REALITY OF IT IS THERE IS NOBODY OUT THERE THAT HAS THIS TYPE OF MASS AND THIS TYPE OF LAND.
AND CITIES ALWAYS LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO CUT OFF PEOPLE COMING INTO THEIR CITY.
WE HAVE THAT HAPPEN TO US ALL THE TIME.
SO YOU HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT HERE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE HERE THAT'LL SHOP THERE, JUST LIKE THE ATWOODS THAT JUST WENT IN AND ARE CUTTING US OFF AT MEMORIAL AND BRYANT ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM JONES AND BYPASSING THIS SPOT TO GO SPEND MONEY IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
SO THAT'S NOT A FAIR ASSESSMENT WHEN IT COMES TO HOW PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS.
UH, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US.
WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT MIGHT BE HYPOTHETICALLY IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE BELIEVE THIS IS WHERE WE'RE WITH THIS.
I THINK I'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH THE SEVEN OR EIGHT COMMENTS, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING MISSED, MR. MOORE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ADDRESS 'EM OR ANYBODY ELSE.
HE JUST CALLED ME UP, SO, OKAY.
NOW I'M GONNA START SOME COMMENTS FROM UP HERE FOR A CHANGE.
AND I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW THINGS TO SAY.
THE FIRST ONE, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA START AT THE END AND REFERENCE WHAT FORMER MAYOR O'NEILL SAID ABOUT LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU THIS, THIS CITY FAILED OUR TAXPAYERS WHEN WE DIDN'T PROTECT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE CITY WHEN WE DIDN'T PROTECT THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THIS CITY.
THIS IS A NEW AREA THAT IS DEVELOPING THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
THIS IS 120 ACRES POSSIBLY OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S RETAIL, THAT'S RESTAURANTS, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN PEOPLE.
AND IF WE DON'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HELP OURSELVES, GUESS WHAT THEY ARE GONNA DO? THEY'RE GONNA BUILD SOUTH OF THE CITY LIMITS AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE TAX DOLLARS.
NOW, WHAT I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS IT IS LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.
AND WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT IT IS WE'RE TALKING 645 ACRES AT ONE TIME VILLAGE CONCEPT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES.
AND THE REALITY OF IT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, OUR CHOICE IS WE CAN LOOK AT A SINGLE DEVELOPER THAT HAS THE FINANCIAL MEANS TO DO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY WANT TO DO, OR THEY CAN SLICE THIS THING UP AND SELL IT TO ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO 16 DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS WHO ARE GONNA WANT TO COME IN AND PUT 500 HOUSES PER CHUNK OF LAND IN THERE.
AND THEN ALL WE GET IS 4,500 HOMES AND ZERO OPPORTUNITIES FOR TAX DOLLARS.
WE PLANNED ON THIS CORNER DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH
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THE EAST EDMOND 2050 PLAN.WE PLAN ON SOMETHING HAPPENING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SECOND STREET AT DOUGLAS BOULEVARD.
IF WE DO THIS RIGHT, WHAT WE WIND UP WITH IS A MODEL THAT WE CAN USE FOR THE REST OF EAST EDMOND.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER BE ENTERTAINING PROJECTS OF THIS SIZE AND TAKING CARE OF THE CONCERNS OF HOW WE MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE IN EAST EDMOND.
THEN TO HAVE TO BATTLE EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO PUT IN 500 HOUSES INTO ABOUT 40 TO 60 TO MAYBE 80 ACRES, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PROTECT OUR SCENERY, WE'RE NOT GONNA PROTECT WHAT WE HAVE.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE CAN LEARN THE LESSONS OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.
OKAY? I NOW HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MAYOR OF CARMEL, CARMEL, NOT CARMEL, CARMEL, INDIANA, WHO I WANNA BET AGAINST DURING THE NBA FINALS THIS PAST SEASON.
AND SHE HAS OFFERED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DEVELOP THEIR COMMUNITY THE WAY THEY HAVE.
I WILL FOLLOW UP ON THAT TO FIND OUT THOSE LESSONS LEARNED.
THIS IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US.
YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT IF YOU COME TO THESE MEETINGS YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ME SAY, IS I'M TIRED OF DEALING WITH PUDS BECAUSE OUR ZONING ORDINANCES ARE WHERE THEY OUGHT TO BE.
WELL, GUESS WHAT? THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE A PUD SHOULD BE ENTERTAINED BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH IS, IS BEING PROPOSED.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S WHERE THIS OUGHT TO BE DONE.
AND WE'VE AT LEAST GOT A DEVELOPER IN THIS CASE WHO'S WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM.
AND THIS COUNCIL WILL BE WATCHING OUT FOR THOSE PEOPLE AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I SEE THE VISION AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING SPECIAL.
I TOLD, I TOLD THEM THIS THE OTHER DAY, IMPORTANT TO ME THAT EDMOND IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR IN THIS PROCESS TO ALL AROUND US.
A LOT OF YOU HERE TO, UH, ARCADIA, TO HAE TO JONES SCHOOLS, TO EVERYBODY.
AND I THINK THEY'RE MAKING A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO DO THAT SO FAR FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN.
A LOT'S BEEN SAID TONIGHT, SO I WON'T ADD TOO MUCH.
BUT I, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS, I APPRECIATE THE STEWARDSHIP OF THE LAND.
UM, I KNOW THERE ARE CHALLENGES, UM, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE REALLY STRONG CONNECTIONS TO WHERE THEY LIVE.
AND, UM, I, I EMPATHIZE WITH THAT.
I, I LIKE THE ASPECT OF THE INTERGENERATIONAL LIVING OPTIONS, THE AGING IN PLACE.
I'M ABLE TO LIVE NEAR MY FAMILY, UM, AS THEY AGE IN PLACE.
UM, MY KIDS ENJOY PLAYING IN THE FRONT YARD.
I THINK THERE IS A DESIRE, UM, TO KIND OF GET BACK TO THAT, THAT FRONT PORCH LIVING INSTEAD OF PULLING IN YOUR DRIVEWAY AND SHUTTING THE GARAGE AND JUST GOING INSIDE.
SO I, I DO SEE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONNECTION THAT THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD CREATE.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THE EFFORT FOR, UH, INCREASED SALES TAX.
UM, I ALSO AM FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCEPT OF DWELL TIME.
WHEN YOU ARE, UM, COMFORTABLE, WHEN YOU FEEL SAFE WHERE YOU'RE SHOPPING, YOU END UP SPENDING MORE MONEY.
AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL VERY AWARE OF OUR, OUR SALES TAX CHALLENGES AND THAT WE NEED TO BE WISE AND WE NEED TO BE FORWARD THINKING ABOUT, UH, ABOUT DEVELOPING OPPORTUNITIES FOR CITIZENS OR PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE TO COME IN AND, AND SPEND THEIR MONEY.
UH, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS YEARS AGO IN THE 2050, WE KNEW SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS GONNA COME.
JUST A GOOD GRACIOUS, I'M GLAD IT'S NOT SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO GO IN THERE AND BUILD A LEVITT TOWN TO WHERE THEY USED 40,000 NAILS A HOME AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
AND, UH, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE AND I WANT THE CITIZENS OF EAST EDMOND TO UNDERSTAND IF THEY DON'T DO WHAT THEY SAY, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT THE PUD IS A, IS A DOCUMENT THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I KNOW THESE FELLAS SITTING OVER THERE AND I BELIEVE THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME.
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STEPHANIE, I'M SORRY, THE MEN AND WOMEN IN THE ROOM THAT HAVE TOLD ME THAT.UH, SO MR. CHAMBER, WE'RE GOING TO RECESS THIS THING HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
I'M SORRY, I GOT AGGRAVATED AT YOU.
THEN WHEN WE RECESS, IF YOU'LL COME OVER HERE, I WANNA SHAKE YOUR HAND.
ARE YOU GOOD? CALL THE QUESTION MR. MAYOR.
NOW WHAT HAPPENED? THERE WE GO.
[12. Executive Sessions and Action Items:]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12, EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ACTION ITEMS. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? SO MOVE.I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
MOTION PASSES FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE WILL BE BACK MOTION TO MR. MAYOR.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RETURN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION SECOND.
AND A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
MR. MAYOR, WOULD YOU RECOGNIZE ME FOR A MOTION? I WILL.
I MOVE TO INSTRUCT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO FILE A WRITTEN EXCEPTION TO THE REPORT OF COMMISSIONERS AND FILE A DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL IN OKLAHOMA COUNTY DISTRICT COURT.
CASE NUMBER CJ DASH 2 0 2 5 DASH 2 9 9 7 OH, SORRY, CASE NUMBER CJ 2 0 2 5 DASH 2 9 92.
I HAVE A MOTION SECOND AND A SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[13. Citizen Comments. This is an opportunity for residents and non-residents to address the City Council on city-related matters not on the agenda or scheduled for a public hearing. Citizens must sign up to speak either online by 3:00 p.m. the day of the City Council meeting, or in person by the start of the meeting. All remarks must be directed to the Mayor or Chair of the meeting, are limited to three minutes or less, and must otherwise be made in accordance with the City Council / Public Works Authority rules, available here and in the City Hall lobby.]
WE'RE ON TO ITEM 13.CITIZEN COMMENTS, WE APPEAR TO HAVE ONE THIS EVENING.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE TO PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME CORRECTLY FOR ME WHEN YOU GET UP HERE.
SO SOME PEOPLE SAY IT'S KEARNEY AND I WE DO.
AND IF YOU WOULD PULL THAT MICROPHONE RIGHT UP TO YOU.
UH, I'M ONE MINUTE AND 45 SECONDS.
UH, WANT TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT THE MOOD OF OUR CITY AND TAXES AND GROWTH.
SO IT'S QUITE, UH, PERTINENT THAT I CAME HERE TONIGHT AND I HAD NO IDEA THIS HUGE PUD THING WAS GOING ON.
SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO, A DEVELOPER WANTED TO BUY THE LAND BY FER PARK AND LOCAL RESIDENTS HAD A PETITION TO OPPOSE THIS.
AND THE CITY HAD A DEMOCRACY VOTE OF THE PEOPLE.
AND WE AGREED TO RAISE OUR TAXES TO BUY THAT PROPERTY, TO STOP DEVELOPMENT, TO STOP APARTMENTS, HOUSES, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, MORE PEOPLE, MORE TRAFFIC, MORE TRIM, MORE POLLUTION, MORE HOMELESSNESS.
WE VOTED TO PAY MORE SO THERE WOULD BE LESS.
FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, A DEVELOPER WANTED TO PUT APARTMENTS AT I 35 AND MEMORIAL.
THE LOCAL RESIDENTS HAD A PETITION AND THE CITY HAD A DEMOCRACY VOTE OF THE PEOPLE AND IT WAS DEFEATED.
LAST YEAR WE HAD THE EDMUND GO BOND VOTE ON THREE ITEMS, A DEMOCRACY VOTE OF THE PEOPLE DEFEATED ALL THREE.
SO THAT IS A TOTAL OF FIVE VOTES IN THE PAST RECENT YEARS THAT THE CITIZENS OF OUR CITY HAVE REJECTED THINGS.
NOW WE HAVE THE UPCOMING VOTE, NOVEMBER 18TH AND THE ELECTION ON THE SALES TAX.
AND I'M PROPOSING THIS QUESTION TO BE ADDED FOR OUR CITIZENS TO VOTE ON.
IT HAS BEEN ESTIMATED THAT EDMUND COULD GROW BY 40,000 PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THIS? IT WOULD BE A VOTE OF YES OR NO.
THEN WE WOULD FIND OUT WHAT THE MOOD OF OUR CITY IS AND IF OUR CITIZENS WANT GROWTH AND OUR TAXES.
BECAUSE IF THIS NOVEMBER 18TH VOTE
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FAILS LIKE THESE OTHER VOTES HAVE, I THINK OUR CITY'S GONNA BE IN DIFFICULT TROUBLE.I'M NOT AN EXPERT LIKE YOU ALL, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TAX PROBLEMS. SO U FIVE HAVE TREMENDOUS POWER AND RESPONSIBILITY LEADING OUR CITY INTO THE FUTURE.
SO I URGE YOU TO SEE ABOUT OF THE MOOD OF OUR CITY BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THE MOOD OF OUR CITIZENS WERE, WERE NOT PLEASED WITH THE DIRECTION OF OUR CITY WITH GROWTH, WITH TA, TRAFFIC, WITH INCREASING CRIME.
AND THE WHOLE THING ABOUT ROADS TONIGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT OF OUR ROADS.
SO I URGE YOU FIVE TO PLEASE KIND OF GRASP THE MOOD OF OUR CITIZENS AND SEE WHAT WE REALLY THINK IS BEST FOR OUR CITY.
[14. Comments from the Mayor and Members of the City Council.]
ITEM NUMBER 14, COMMENTS FROM THE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.ANY COMMENTS? I KNOW WE'RE READY TO GO HOME.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU GUYS THOUGH, THAT I WENT TO TOUR THE RECYCLING FACILITY IN DOWNTOWN OKLAHOMA CITY AND IT WAS A BLAST AND I LEARNED A LOT AND I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TAKING ME DOWN THERE.
BUT I'M INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE EVERYTHING GOES.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT IT WHEN IT'S NOT 8:30 PM OR WHATEVER IT IS.
IT IS SO LATE THAT THE CLOCK HERE ON THE DIAZ HAS TURNED ITSELF OFF, SO IT MUST BE LATE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, I'D MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 15.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN.