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[1. Call to Order.]
WE'LL CALL TO ORDER, UM, THE OCTOBER 21ST CIP, UH, ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, TO EVERYONE, WE ARE LIVE STREAMING AND RECORDING THESE MEETINGS STARTING TODAY.
SO, UH, MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC AND, AND IF YOU'RE PRESENTING OR ASKING QUESTIONS, UH, MAKE SURE YOU ARE, UH, STEPPED UP TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN DO THAT PROPERLY.
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO WELCOME OUR NEWEST CIP BOARD MEMBER, WHICH I DON'T SEE HIM HERE.
UM, SO WE WILL, UH, WE'LL HOLD THAT FOR NEXT TIME.
[2. Consideration of Approval Items:]
ITEM TWO A IS CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2025 MEETING.I BELIEVE WE'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THOSE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ITEMS THERE? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL.
AND SECOND, I FINISH THE MEETING.
I DIDN'T HEAR THE END OF THE CONVERSATION, SO I'M GONNA, OKAY.
NOT THAT I HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, SO, WE'LL, WE WILL VOTE ON THOSE AS SOON AS IT'S UP.
IS IT READY? OH, DOESN'T HAVE UP, SORRY.
WE'RE WAITING ON, UH, PEGGY AND PHIL.
THAT PASSES SIX ZERO ITEM TWO B, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE 2026 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS, ADVISORY BOARD SCHEDULE OF REGULAR MEETINGS.
DO WE HAVE THAT TO, TO SHOW? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO GETTING THAT UP RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S, IT'S IN THE PACKET AND WAS PUBLISHED ONLINE, AND IT'S ALSO UP ON THE SCREEN NOW.
SO THIS FOLLOWS THE NORMAL ORDER OF BUSINESS TO HAVE THE MEETINGS ON THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.
UH, I WILL NOTE THAT PREVIOUSLY THIS BOARD, UM, HAD, HAD ASKED THIS CALENDAR YEAR FOR THE MEETING TO BE MOVED IN MARCH AS SO AS NOT TO CONFLICT WITH THE EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN SPRING BREAK.
SO STAFF DIDN'T ASSUME THAT THIS TIME WHEN WE PUT THIS TOGETHER.
SO IF, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE THAT TO CHANGE THAT, THEN STAFF IS, IT'S HERE TO SERVE.
SO YEAH, THAT IS THE ONE THING I NOTICED IS THAT THAT THIRD WEEK IS, IS, UH, SPRING BREAK FOR FOR SCHOOLS.
AND SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THAT, UM, JUST AS OUR FAMILY USUALLY TRAVELS.
WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THEN TO THE SCHEDULE AT THIS TIME? YES.
CAN WE APPROVE IT AS, AS AMENDED? OKAY.
WELL THEN I WOULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO MOVE THE MARCH 17TH MEETING TO MARCH 24TH.
DO I SECOND YOU SECOND THAT? I SECOND.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
SO WE'LL VOTE TO, UH, APPROVE THE SCHEDULE AS AMENDED FOR THE MARCH TO BE ON MARCH 24TH.
DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF UTILIZING THE 2017 CIP SALES TAX FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE, ESTIMATED AT $700,000.
I IT, MR. CHAIRMAN, SORRY, IF, AND IF JOSH DOESN'T MIND.
SO ITEM, JUST TO REINTRODUCE THESE AGAIN, ITEMS TWO C, D, AND E WERE DISCUSSION ITEMS AT YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, UM, UH, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK RECEIVED AT THAT MEET, AT THAT MEETING STAFFED AND BROUGHT THEM FORWARD FOR APPROVAL ITEMS FOR VOTING, UH, THIS EVENING, THIS AFTERNOON.
THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGED WITH THE ITEM IS BECAUSE, UM, FOR TWO C AND D IS BETWEEN YOUR LAST MEETING AND TODAY, STAFF RECEIVED THE GREAT NEWS THAT WE HAVE.
THE CITY HAS RECEIVED ADDITIONAL GRANT DOLLARS FOR A TRAIL, UM, THAT THE CITY WAS PREPARED THAT WILL SAY END UP SAVING THE CITY $2.4 MILLION OVERALL ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED.
SO THAT WAS THE NORTHWEST TRAIL CONNECTOR, WHICH, UM, HAS BEEN BID THROUGH ODOT AND UM, HAS BEEN ACCEPTED
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THROUGH ODOT.AND THEN WE GOT THE GREAT NEWS AFTER THE TRAIL HAD BEEN BID AND ACCEPTED THAT THE CITY WAS GONNA RECEIVE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS.
SO STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND, RATHER THAN FUNDING TWO C AND D WITH THE 2000 CIP SALES TAX, GIVEN THE AVAILABLE DOLLARS BEING, UH, FROM THIS PRO, UH, FROM THE GOOD NEWS OF THE TRAIL TO FUND 'EM THROUGH THE 2017, WHICH IS WHERE THE NORTHWEST TRAIL CONNECTOR HAS BEEN FUNDED CURRENTLY.
AND THAT THAT'S REFLECTED THE CHANGES REFLECTED, UM, IN THE SPREADSHEET THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL AS A REMINDER OF WHERE THE NORTHWEST TRAIL CONNECTOR IS.
SO NORTH OF ARCADIA LAKE, UH, CONSTRUCTION'S ANTICIPATED TO START IN, UH, JANUARY OR EARLY 2026.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS WONDERFUL NEWS AND UM, I THINK IT GOES TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, UH, THE GREAT JOB THAT STAFF DOES IN, IN MANAGING THOSE DOLLARS THAT ARE RECEIVED THROUGH GRANTS THAT WHEN ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES BECOME AVAILABLE.
UM, THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY IN LINE, I'VE ALREADY RECEIVED SOME, THEN WE GET ASKED, WOULD YOU LIKE SOME MORE? AND THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS YES, PLEASE.
BUT IF, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON TWO, TWO C, D, AND E ABOUT THE MORE SPECIFICS OF THE PROJECT, UM, WE HAVE THOSE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS HERE TO TALK AGAIN ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS.
I'M NOT SURE IF I SHOULD ASK THIS QUESTION NOW OR LATER, BUT IF WE'RE THINKING OF C AND D KIND OF TOGETHER, C IS FOR THE DESIGN SERVICES, D IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE AGENDA SHOWS, CORRECT.
SO C IS FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR A NEW FIRE STATION THREE.
AND D IS FOR THE CONSTRUC, IT'S GOING TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION FOR A MAINTENANCE BUILDING FOR MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR A DIFFERENT PROJECT, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THE FRONT AND THE FUNDING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF FIRE STATION THREE IS ALREADY BUDGETED IN THE 2017 CIP.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WANTING TO NEXT, NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
I KNOW WE, WE WENT THROUGH THESE DETAILS LAST MONTH, BUT IF YOU WANNA HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR US.
SO YEAH, UM, DEPUTY CHIEF, UH, ADMINISTRATION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, HOPEFULLY THAT'S WORKING.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY WE HAD GOTTEN THE APPROVAL FOR THE CIP FUNDS TO PAY FOR THE STATION.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD PLANNED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WERE GONNA ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THE DESIGN FUND, UM, OF, OF THE STATION.
AND THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION BEFORE I GOT INTO THIS POSITION.
UM, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT TRYING TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THE DESIGN SERVICES BUDGETED OUT OF THE C OR ALLOCATED OUT OF THE CIP TO HELP WITH OUR, UM, KEEPING OUR RESERVES WHERE THEY'RE AT BECAUSE OF THE DECLINING OR WITH ALL THE, YOU KNOW, TAX REVENUE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT THE STATION BUDGETED, WE'RE READY TO START PULLING THE TRIGGER WHENEVER TIME COMES.
WE JUST GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND THE DESIGN OF IT.
UM, IT, WE TALKED ABOUT STATION THREE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA RELOCATE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IT'S ON DANFORTH TO THE WEST OF KELLY.
IT'S GONNA RELOCATE TO THE LAND THAT WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED, AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE IN THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM THERE, THAT IT'S GONNA COME SOUTH OF DANFORTH THERE, UM, AT THE LOT THAT WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED.
UM, AND SO WHENEVER WE'RE, ONCE THIS GETS APPROVED OR WE DECIDE WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO WITH IT, THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA START MOVING ON DOWN THE ROAD.
SO, UM, SO WHERE DID THE REASON, GO AHEAD.
WHERE DID THE PURCHASE MONEY FOR THE LAND COME FROM? FROM THE CIP.
IT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THE CRP.
IT'S THE TWO, NO, THE, THE LAND, WELL, YOU MAY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I THINK THE LAND PURCHASE WAS MADE BY, OH, I'M SAYING THE LAND.
I WAS FIRE DEPARTMENT MONEY WAS USED TO PAY FOR THE LAND.
AND THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT YOU'VE DEPLETED ALL OF YOUR IN EXCESS ACCOUNTS AS WELL, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, WE HAVE A RESERVE, BUT WE HAVEN'T, WITH THE WAY THAT EVERYTHING MAPS OUT, OUR RESERVES ARE GONNA JUST CONTINUE TO GO DOWN.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT AND NOT HAVE TO KEEP THAT NUMBER.
SO TRADITIONALLY, UM, BEFORE FIRE STATION SIX, WHICH THE RIBBON WAS JUST CUT, UM, LAST MONTH, YEAH.
OCTOBER, IT SEEMS LIKE TIME IS FLYING BY.
SO LAST MONTH, TRADITIONALLY CIP FUNDS WERE USED FOR LARGER CAPITAL PROJECTS LIKE BUILDING A NEW FIRE STATION, UM, GIVEN WHERE THE FIRE, THE POSITION, THE FIRE RESERVES WERE IN AT THE TIME THE DECISION WAS MADE FOR STATION SIX TO BE FULLY FUNDED WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT MONEY.
AND NOW THIS IS JUST GOING BACK TO THE TRADITIONAL WAY THAT LARGER CAPITAL PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY HAVE BEEN FUNDED.
SO I DO, I DO LIKE THE ABILITY TO USE THE 2017 FUND FOR THIS.
ONE OF, ONE OF THE 10 ITEMS THAT WAS VOTED ON BY THE PUBLIC FOR THAT 2017 EXTENSION WAS FIRE STATION RENOVATIONS AND FIRE STATION WEST OF, OF BROADWAY.
I BELIEVE SO, YEAH, I THINK IT FITS IN THAT BUDGET.
THE BIGGEST THING WITH THIS STATION, IT'S BUILT IN 1984.
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QUITE A BIT OLDER, IT'S QUITE A BIT SMALLER.UM, THE FOOTPRINT IS GONNA HAVE TO BE BIGGER RIGHT NOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT YOU KNOW, THE FIRE STATION OR THE FIRE ENGINES ARE HAVING TO DRIVE OUT INTO THE ROAD TO ACTUALLY BLOCK TRAFFIC TO BACK IN EVERY SINGLE TIME.
THERE'S NO WAY TO COME IN AROUND THE BACK STATION.
WE DID THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THE FEASIBILITY STUDY JUST WILL NOT ALLOW THAT FOOTPRINT WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ACQUIRED THE LAND.
UM, AND THEN LIKE YOU SAID, WE, WE HAD ALL THESE ENVISIONS THAT THE TAX REVENUE WAS GONNA JUST KEEP STAYING THE SAME AND IT JUST ISN'T DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
AND, AND AGAIN, WITH D UM, STAFF IS HERE, DEPUTY CHIEF WEAVER TO SHARE BACKGROUND IF THE, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THE ONLY CHANGE WOULD BE THE FUNDING SOURCE.
AGAIN, THAT'S IMPACTED INSTEAD OF THE 2000 CIP, WHICH WAS TALKED ABOUT AT LAST MEETING.
IT'D BE 2017 BECAUSE OF THE AVAILABLE DOLLARS DUE TO THE ADDITIONAL GRANT MONEY WITH THE TRAIL, WHICH THE TRAIL IS BEING FUNDED OUTTA THE 2017.
SO THIS ITEM IS 2D DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION OF THE 2017 CIP TELLS TAX FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MAINTENANCE BUILDING, WHICH IS ESTIMATED AT 834, 620 $8 AND 92 CENTS.
UH, DEPUTY CHIEF WEAVER, UM, UH, WELL THIS, THIS WAS A GRANT THROUGH ARPA.
UH, WE THOUGHT WE BUDGETED ENOUGH, BUT WHEN THE NUMBERS CAME BACK, UH, IT WASN'T, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR EXTRA.
THIS WILL GIVE US THREE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE BASE FOR OUR LARGE APPARATUS.
UM, HALF THE, WE WE BUDGETED 1.4 MILLION FOR THIS WITH ALL THE ESTIMATES.
WE THOUGHT WE HAD ENOUGH, BUT, UM, IT WASN'T ENOUGH THAT THE PRICES KEEP GOING UP.
SO ADD MORE TO THE GRANTS NEXT TIME.
UH, WE DID CALL THE STATE TO SEE IF THERE WAS MORE MONEY.
THERE WASN'T MORE MONEY IN THE GRANT.
SO THIS IS, THIS WAS OUR OPTION TO COME TO CIP TO SEE IF IT WAS ABLE TO DO THIS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL SECOND MOTION FROM ANNETTE AND SECOND FROM CODY.
WE'LL, CAST VOTES NOT ADAM PASSES.
I'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO TWO E DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF UTILIZING THE 2000 CIP SALES TAX FOR A SIDEWALK PROJECT AT 30 THUR AND BRYANT ESTIMATED AT $200,000.
WE ALSO REVIEWED THIS ONE LAST MONTH, CORRECT, BRAD? YEAH, BRAD MURRAY, SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER.
SO AS A REFRESHER, THIS IS, UH, ABOUT 2000 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK THAT WOULD GO FROM THORN BROOK TO BRYANT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 33RD STREET.
AND THE ESTIMATED COST IS $200,000.
AND THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN ON THE LIST FOR A LONG TIME AND THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
YEAH, IT WAS ON THE A DA TRANSITION PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT YEAR THAT A DA TRANSITION PLAN.
I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
YEAH, IT'S BEEN ON THE PLAN, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN ON THE CIP BUDGET.
IT WAS IN THE, THE A DA KIND OF BUDGET.
TRADITIONALLY, A DA PROJECTS ARE FUNDED THROUGH, UH, THE GENERAL FUND, BUT JUST GIVEN THE, UM, STATE OF SALES TAX RIGHT NOW AND DECLINING SALES TAX REVENUES, UM, THE NEED FOR THE PROJECT STILL EXISTS.
AND SO STAFF WAS SEEKING AN A DIFFERENT WAY TO FUND THIS PROJECT RATHER THAN GENERAL FUND DOLLARS, WHICH TRADITIONALLY PAY FOR JUST DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF HOW THE CITY RUNS.
WHEREAS CIP OBVIOUSLY PAYS FOR PROJECTS.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I'LL MOVE APPROVAL.
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I'LL SECOND, SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.ALRIGHT, TWO F DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF AN APPROVAL FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION TO THE 2017 CIP RESERVES TO THE CIP BUDGET FOR AC CAPLINGER BALL FOOD RENOVATION PROJECT AT $165,201 AND 35 CENTS.
DOES THIS GO ALONG WITH ITEM G? WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THOSE TOGETHER.
GOOD AFTERNOON, BRAD RAINEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
UM, JUST FOR THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, BUT THIS IS A COMPLETE REBUILD OF THE BALL FIELDS AT HAYFORD PARK OR AC CAPLINGER.
UM, WE'RE COMING UP TO A YEAR ON, ON CONSTRUCTION ON THIS.
UM, THIS IS DONE, UH, THROUGH THE CMAR, UM, DELIVERY METHOD.
UH, WHEN, WHEN WE BID ALL THE PURCHASING OUT FOR THIS PROJECT, ALMOST EVERYTHING IS A, IS A LUMP SUM, UM, EXCEPT THE, UH, CONDITIONS UNDER THE GROUND ON SOME OF THESE FIELDS THERE.
THIS WAS A FORMER LANDFILL, UM, LONG AGO FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS AN OFFICIAL LANDFILL, BUT THERE'S TRASH IN THE GROUND.
AND, UH, WE, WE KNEW THAT GOING INTO IT.
UM, WE HAD DONE QUITE A BIT OF, UM, TESTING AND DRILLING, BUT STILL TO KNOW THE EXACT NATURE OF WHERE EVERYTHING WAS WAS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN SOME, SOME OF THE ACTUAL WORK ITSELF.
SO, UM, THAT ITEM TO REMOVE TRASH AND HAVE IT TESTED, IT HAS TO BE TAKEN TO THE LANDFILL IN, IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
AND, UH, AND THEN CLEAN DIRT BROUGHT IN, UM, THAT WAS BID AS A, AS A UNIT PRICE COST.
SO, UM, FOR EVERY YARD OR TON, I CAN'T REMEMBER, THERE'S A PRICE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND THEN A PRICE ASSOCIATED WITH BRINGING CLEAN FILL IN.
UM, UP TO THIS POINT, MOST OF THAT'S BEEN DONE.
THE LAST ITEM REMAINING OUT THERE THAT'S RELATED TO WHAT I'M, UH, BRINGING TO YOU TODAY ARE THE FIELDS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PICTURE.
AND IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT THE MOUSE AND CAN HIGHLIGHT EIGHT, NINE, AND 10, IF YOU KIND OF ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU'VE GOT, UH, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
YEAH, THOSE, THOSE THREE FIELDS THERE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE BACKSTOP, UM, WALLS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT, BUT, UM, THERE'S TRASH THROUGHOUT THE SITE, BUT THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR IS A DEEP TRASH LAYER.
IT WAS PROBABLY THE ACTUAL LANDFILL THAT GOES DEEP WITH TRASH.
AND SOME OF THIS WAS KIND OF DISCOVERED AS, AS WE GOT TO DIGGING OUT THERE.
SO THE DESIGNS NEEDED TO BE MODIFIED TO BRING IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIRT TO SIT ON TOP OF THAT AND CAP THAT SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DIG DOWN INTO IT AND REMOVE ALL, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO, TO REMOVE IT.
SO, UM, WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS JUST THE PRICE TO BRING IN THE FILL NEEDED TO GO ON TOP OF, TOP OF THESE FIELDS RIGHT THERE TO BRING IT UP THE GRADE WE NEED SO THAT WE NEVER HAVE TO DIG OR DEAL WITH TRASH AGAIN ON, ON THE SITE.
UM, SO THERE'S A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND THEN, UM, THE GMP, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND THAT, THAT SHOULD BE THE LAST TIME WE HAVE TO DO THAT FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WAS THE REST OF THE PROJECT PAID FOR OUT OF CIP MONEY OR WAS IT PAID FOR OUT OF GENERAL FUNDERS? IT WAS ALL CIP MONEY EXCEPT, UM, QUITE A BIT OF ARPA FUNDS WENT TO THIS PROJECT JUST OVER $2 MILLION, I BELIEVE.
BUT THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CIP PROJECT.
I WAS, AND THERE, THERE WAS A BRAD, SORRY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF DOLLARS FROM THE PARK TAX AS WELL.
YEAH, OUR, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THE BUDGET FOR THIS, WE WERE, WE TRIED TO GUESS AROUND $300,000 AND KIND OF PUT THAT IN THE INITIAL BUDGET FOR THE TRASH MITIGATION.
AND, AND WE TRANSFERRED ABOUT $750,000 FROM THE PARK TAX TO, TO HELP WITH THIS.
UM, WE'VE KIND OF TAPPED THAT FOR ALL WE CAN THERE.
SO THIS, THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST, UM, GMP AMENDMENT TO ON THE PROJECT.
I WAS QUICKLY LOOKING THROUGH THE PACKET BECAUSE I THINK I DON'T SEE IT OR I'M MISSING IT.
THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT THE CIP IS PRIORITIZED AND THAT WE'VE PROMISED CITIZENS TO DO, WAS THIS ONE OF THEM? UH, I, I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT.
MAYBE IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT, BUT IT WAS, UM, IMPROVEMENTS.
I DON'T HAVE THE WORDS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
IMPROVEMENTS TO SPORTS FACILITIES.
DO YOU? YEAH, I DID PRINT, I DID PRINT OFF THE 2017 LIST TODAY AS I WAS LOOKING THROUGH IT, BUT, UM, THE THIRD ITEM WAS EXPANSION OF
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AND IMPROVEMENTS TO EXISTING CITY SPORTS FACILITIES.THANK THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT IN THE WORKS SINCE ABOUT 2017, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND WE'RE FINALLY, JUST, THE FINISH LINE IS SOMEWHAT IN SIGHT,
UM, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THE WAY THAT IT'S TRENDING IS THE MAJORITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE DONE IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY.
AND ACTUALLY FOUR FOUR OF THE FIELDS SHOULD ALL BE DONE THIS WINTER.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WON'T BE DONE AND OVER THE WINTER IS, UM, ALL OF THE GREEN THINGS THAT NEED TO GROW.
AND SO TO GIVE YOU LIKE A SPECIFIC DATE, IT'S JUST GONNA DEPEND ON SPRING WEATHER.
SO WE'LL NEED TO GET ALL THE SOD LAID OUT AND GIVE IT TIME TO ESTABLISH.
SO WE ANTICIPATE FULL OPENING AND USE IN, UM, SPRING OF 2026.
SO IT'S, IT'S MOVING ALONG REALLY, REALLY WELL.
EVERYTHING'S, WE'RE OUT OF THE TRASH, FINALLY
IT HAS BEEN NICE TO SEE LIGHTS GO UP AND SEE THINGS THAT IT ACTUALLY IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE BALL FIELDS AGAIN.
AND THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN THREE WEEKS AGO AND IT'S CHANGED A LOT SINCE THEN.
THAT RESTROOM FACILITY AT THE TOP IS, UH, THE ROOF'S READY TO GO ON AND, UM, BACKSTOP POLES ARE GOING UP AND, AND, UH, DUGOUT POLES, FOUNDATIONS, IT'S, IT'S CHANGING RAPIDLY OUTSIDE.
SO WHEN IS IT EXPECTED TO GO ONLINE? IT'S SPRING.
IF, IF THIS IS NOT FUNDED, WHAT IS THE IMPACT TO COMPLETING THIS PROJECT? UH, THOSE THREE FIELDS, EIGHT, NINE, AND 10 WOULD REMAIN AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OR I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON, ON ITEM F.
CAN WE VOTE ON THESE TOGETHER OR DO WE NEED TO DO THEM SEPARATELY? OKAY, SO WE'LL, EE EITHER WAY, IT MAY BE CLEANER JUST TO VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY.
BUT ESSENTIALLY F IS MOVING THE MONEY FROM RESERVES INTO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR.
AND THEN G IS APPROVING, APPROVING THE SPENDING OF THE MONEY FOR THE THING WHICH IS TRASH REMOVAL.
CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM F.
MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES.
OH, YOU HAVE TO DO IT EARLY, BUT NOT TOO EARLY, I THINK IS THE, IS THE GOAL.
WE'LL TAKE, UM, THE SAME MOTION ON TWO G, MOVE TO APPROVE TWO G.
WAS CODY READY? CAST YOUR VOTES.
ITEM TWO H, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A BUDGET MINUTE FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION TO THE 2017 CIP RESERVES TO THE 2017 CAP BUDGET FOR THE PELICAN BAY RENOVATION PROJECT AT $722,100.
UM, SO THIS, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S WELL UNDERWAY, UM, A FAIRLY RECENT PHOTO JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU.
OF ALL THE PROGRESS OUT THERE, UM, FOR SOME OF THE NEW MEMBERS YOU LIKELY HAVE HEARD OF THE REASONS FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT, IT RECEIVES, UM, GOOD PUBLICITY FROM THE NEWS, I GUESS GOOD
THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT FOR THE REASON BEHIND, UM, THE, THE NEED FOR THE RENOVATION.
THAT WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE REASONS, BUT THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS WITH, WITH THE POOL THAT, UM, THIS PROJECT, UH, SHOULD CORRECT.
SO, UM, WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE BUDGET BIDS WERE COMING IN FOR THIS PROJECT ABOUT THAT TIME.
SO WHAT WAS BUDGETED WAS BASICALLY THE BASE BID PRICE, WHICH WAS WITHIN EXPECTATION, UM, WHERE WE EXPECTED IT.
WE ARE DISCOVERING THINGS OUT THERE ON THE SITE THAT, THAT ARE GONNA NEED, UM, ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
NOTHING THAT WAS SURPRISING TO ME.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A CHANGE ORDER TO BRING FORWARD YET, BUT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS THE BUDGET NOW.
THE, THE NUMBER THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
UM, 10, 10% OF, OF THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO WITH CHANGE ORDERS.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT'LL COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT.
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WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE PREPARED TO, UH, GET THESE CHANGE ORDERS, UH, TO COUNSEL AS THEY COME.UM, HOPEFULLY THERE'S NOT MANY OF 'EM.
WE ANTICIPATE AT LEAST ONE SHOULD, SHOULD BE COMING.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE FOUND IS JUST THE PLUMBING IS IN, IN WORSE SHAPE THAN, THAN WE HAD HOPED.
WE HAD HOPED TO REUSE AND REPAIR SOME OF THE PLUMBING, AND I THINK WE WON'T BE ABLE TO USE AS MUCH AS WE WE HOPED.
SO THERE'LL JUST BE ADDITIONAL COSTS THERE.
AND JUST SOME THINGS THAT, UM, ON, ON THESE RENOVATION PROJECTS THAT ARE OLD YOU, YOU JUST KIND OF DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA UNCOVER WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BREAK UP ALL THAT CONCRETE THAT, THAT YOU SEE THERE.
SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT, THAT ARE PROBABLY COMING FORWARD.
SO THIS IS JUST ABU A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT AND, UM, SET THAT MONEY ASIDE IN CASE WE NEED IT.
ANDY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, TO ADD OR IF I CO COVERED IT THERE.
YOU COVERED, AND I KNOW THIS WAS BEFORE YOUR TIME, BUT WHEN DID WE BUILD PELICAN BANK? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH REVENUE THIS GENERATES EVERY YEAR? UM, I WISH I HAD IT IN FRONT OF ME.
IT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO TO AND WHAT IS IT USED FOR? YEAH, SO POOL POOLS ARE GENERALLY, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S SUBSIDIZED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE OFTEN NOT MONEY MAKERS, BUT WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY OPERATOR THAT OPERATES THE POOL.
SO THEY HIRE THE LIFEGUARDS, WE PAY THEM A MANAGEMENT FEE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 200,000 A YEAR THAT WE PAY TO THEM.
AND THAT INCLUDES ALL THE LIFEGUARDS AND THE SERVICES, THE CHEMICALS AND EVERYTHING TO OPERATE IT.
AND THEN THEY COLLECT THE REVENUE AND THE REVENUE STAYS WITH US.
SO BASED ON DIRECT COSTS, IT USUALLY MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY EACH YEAR, EVEN UNDER ITS OLD, UM, KIND OF DIFFICULT SITUATION.
IT WAS IN, IT WOULD BRING IN A PROFIT OF LIKE 20 TO 30,000 A YEAR, UM, JUST, JUST BASED ON DIRECT COSTS AND WHAT THEY BROUGHT IN.
AND, AND THEN WE'D KIND OF REINVEST THAT BACK INTO THE POOL JUST TO, TO BUY THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED.
LIFEGUARD EQUIPMENT OR NEW CHAIRS, OR WE RESURFACE THE SLIDES ONE YEAR JUST TO, JUST TO REINVEST IT BACK IN THERE.
SO IS THERE A, IS THERE A FINANCIAL STATEMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR YEAH.
AND DOES IT SHOW RESERVES AND WHAT THOSE ARE BEING USED FOR AND ALL THAT? YES.
WE, WE GET REPORTS AT THE END OF THE SEASON TO DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS? WHAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BEFORE I VOTE ON THIS OR, OR ELSE I'M GONNA, I'M NOT BE IN FAVOR OF IT.
I'D LIKE LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.
I THINK THAT TYPICALLY WOULD BE IN THE PARKS AND REC YEAH.
IS WHERE THEY TYPICALLY REVIEW THOSE.
I CAN'T OPERAT A SECOND, BUT WITH, LIKE TOMORROW MORNING, I COULD, I COULD HAVE IT SENT OVER, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST SEASON.
THEY'RE STILL CALCULATING, PUTTING TOGETHER THE REPORT FOR THIS LAST SEASON, THE 2025 SEASON, BUT OKAY.
I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE ALREADY PUT IN IT, INTO IT FOR THE RENOVATION? HAVE WE ALREADY PUT LIKE SEVEN OR 8 MILLION? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S EARMARKED FOR IT.
BUT WE'VE JUST STARTED PAYING INVOICES ON IT, JUST PROJECT JUST STARTED PAYING THE RE IT COMMENCED, UM, THE DAY AFTER THE POOL CLOSED.
SO THE DAY AFTER LABOR DAY, THE TUESDAY AFTER THEY WERE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT, RIGHT AWAY WORKING ON IT.
AND, AND THEY'RE MOVING ALONG A TIMELINE TIME, TIME IS DEFINITELY OF THE ESSENCE ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA HURT OUR ABILITY TO MAKE REVENUE ON, ON THE POOL.
SO I THINK THE, THE SPREADSHEET THAT'S IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS ITEMS IS ALREADY UPDATED, ANDY, CORRECT.
AND THIS WOULD MOVE IT TO 7.9 MILLION? CORRECT.
SO THIS IS THE LEGALLY ALLOWED A LIMIT LIMIT UNDER THE BASE BID.
SO THE BASE BID WAS ACCEPTED FOR $7.2 MILLION VERY NEAR THE END OF LAST FISCAL YEAR.
SO THESE DOLLARS FOR POTENTIAL CHANGE ORDERS WERE NOT BUDGETED AT THE TIME.
IF THE, IF THE BID WOULD'VE CAME IN EARLIER, WITHIN THE BUDGET YEAR AS BRAD'S SAYING THAT THE BUDGET WAS BEING BUILT AT THE TIME.
SO WE, WE KNEW WITH THIS PROJECT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET INTO A POOL THAT'S 20 PLUS YEARS OLD, YOU, YOU HOPE THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN YOU START BREAKING STUFF UP.
BUT YOU, THE REALITY IS YOU JUST DON'T.
AND AS WE'RE FINDING MORE OF THESE THINGS OUT, UM, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS.
AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD, ALL THIS WOULD DO IS MOVE MONEY FROM RESERVE ACCOUNT, FROM RESERVE LINE INTO THE BUDGET, AND THEN AS THESE CHANGE ORDERS COME FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL, THEN EVERY TIME THERE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE CHANGE ORDER.
SO IT JUST, IT JUST SORT OF KEEPS THINGS MOVING FORWARD AND SA AND SAVES A STEP ALONG THE WAY.
SO, AND, AND AGAIN, IF THE CHANGE ORDERS DON'T COME FORWARD, THEN THE MONEY'S NOT SPENT, SO THE MONEY ROLLS RIGHT BACK INTO RESERVES.
SO ANDY, THIS PROJECT WAS NOT AT RISK, RIGHT? CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK, CORRECT? YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS HARD BID.
SO YEAH, IT WASN'T CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.
IT WAS JUST HARD BID, WHICH MEANS IT JUST, IT WAS DESIGNED AND THEN IT WAS BUILT.
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AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS SHEET, IT HAS 7.9 MILLION, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, UM, FOR MAJOR REPAIRS TO PELICAN BAY.AND THEN AT THE VERY BOTTOM HIGHLIGHTED IS THE RESERVES WE'RE CARRYING OVER TO NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS 7.1 CORRECT.
TO USE IN FISCAL YEAR 26, 27, AT WHICH POINT THAT FUND SUNSETS, RIGHT.
AS OF NOW, UM, THAT JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE POTENTIAL IMPACT IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED, RIGHT.
THAT IT'S INCORPORATED IN THERE AS ARE ALL THE OTHER ITEMS RELATED TO THE 2017 ON THAT SHEET YEAH.
I WANTED TO POINT THAT SINCE WE DIDN'T KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS, EVERYTHING THAT HAS THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHT ON THIS SHEET IS CHANGES THAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY TO SHOW WHAT THAT FUND WILL, WILL LOOK LIKE IF WE APPROVE EVERYTHING TODAY.
SO ONCE WE DO THE REPAIRS ON PELICAN BAY, IS IT GONNA LAST ANOTHER 20? THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE, UM, BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE THERE, THE ONLY THING THAT WILL REMAIN IS THAT DECK.
A LOT OF THE WALLS HAVE BEEN CUT OUT, ALL THE GUTTERS HAVE BEEN REMOVED ALREADY IN THAT PICTURE.
UM, SO NEW GUTTERS WILL GO IN AND THEN IT'S A PVC LINER THAT ATTACHES TO THE FLOOR.
AND THEN, UM, ON THE WALLS, IT'S, IT'S A PRODUCT THAT'S PVC WITH STAINLESS STEEL BACKING.
IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY BUILD THE OLYMPIC, THE POOL FOR THE OLYMPICS WITH.
AND IT HAS A 25 YEAR WARRANTY ON IT.
ON THE, ON THAT PART OF THE, BUT THERE'S NONE, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT COULD NEED TO BE FIXED, BUT THE SHELL OF THE POOL THAT HOLDS THE WATER IN PLACE IS, UM, PRETTY IMPORTANT.
SO IT, IT DOES HAVE A 25 YEAR WARRANTY.
UM, IT IS THE BEST OPTION PRODUCT THAT, THAT, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT IN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS, IS THERE A PLAN TO INCREASE THE ADMISSION FEE? YEAH, WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW.
ACT ACTUALLY THE CONTRACT FOR THE OPERATOR, WE JUST HAD AN RFP.
UM, WE NEED TO GET THAT RENEWED OR PUT IN BACK IN PLACE.
THAT'LL NEED TO BE ENTERTAINED BY COUNSEL, BUT YES, YES, WE, WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UH, ITEM TWO I, THIS IS A NEW ONE.
CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS OF A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR A SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BLOCK GRANT APPLICATION FOR SECOND STREET AND SOUTH BOULEVARD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND AN APPROVAL OF A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
WHO DO WE HAVE FOR THIS ONE? WE HAVE CHRISTIE BATTERSON FROM DIRECTOR OF HOUSING COMMUNITY RESOURCES TO COME FORWARD TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THIS PROJECT AND THE GRANT APPLICATION.
WE HAVE A HOST OF STAFF THAT WILL BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THE GRANT APPLICATION PROCESS AS WELL AS THE NEED FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, CHRISTY BATTERSON, DIRECTOR OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY RESOURCES.
MY TEAM OVERSEES GRANT ADMINISTRATION FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
UH, THIS IS AN S-B-G-U-Z-A GRANT THAT IS GONNA BE THROUGH A COG, BUT IT IS AN OOC GRANT.
SO LIKE SIMILAR, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY AND THAT YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE.
UH, IT WILL BE AN 80 20 SPLIT.
THIS INTERSECTION, I BELIEVE WAS ALREADY BUDGETED, UH, SOMEWHAT WAS BUDGETED.
UM, PREVIOUSLY, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE, WITH OUR EDMUND SHIFT MULTI MOBILITY, UM, PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, THIS WAS THE NEXT INTERSECTION THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.
UM, AND SO WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY OPENING UP, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD, UH, SCORING WELL, UH, TO GO AFTER THOSE FUNDS TO HELP OFFSET THE COST.
AND I'M SURE ENGINEERING WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE INTERSECTION.
SO THAT MEANS THAT ODOT WOULD BID THE PROJECT IF AWARDED ODOT WOULD, ODOT WOULD TAKE OVER THE PROJECT, BASICALLY.
UM, WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE DE THE FINAL DESIGN.
WE'VE GOT IT UNDER DESIGN, BUT IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE FINAL DESIGN PROCESS.
ENGINEERING WITH ODOT WOULD OVERSEE IT.
UM, WE WOULD GO BACK AND FORTH, FINALIZE PLANS, AND THEN IT, THEY WOULD LET THE PROJECT AT THAT TIME, ONCE THE BID CAME BACK, WE WOULD
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HAVE TO GIVE OUR PORTION OF 20%, UM, OR OVER IF THE BID, IF THE PROJECT CAME BACK, WHICH THAT'S HAPPENED ON SEVERAL PROJECTS BEFORE.UM, AND SO, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ANTICIPATING THE PROJECT COST AS YOU SEE IN YOUR PACKET, TO BE A LITTLE OVER 5.3 MILLION.
UM, SO OUR LOCAL MATCH WOULD BE A LITTLE OVER 1 MILLION, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED TO ODOT.
BUT ONCE IT'S HANDED OVER TO ODOT, THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.
UM, WE WALK HAND IN HAND WITH THEM.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL WITH THESE GRANTS.
WE'VE WON JUST ABOUT EVERYONE THAT WE'VE GONE AFTER.
UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL OUT AS DANFORTH AND KELLY HAS BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY, WE WORK HAND IN HAND WITH ODOT GETTING THESE PROJECTS OUT THE DOOR.
ARE THE, ARE THE OVERAGES SHARED 80 20? OR WHOSE SHARES ON THE, IF THERE ARE OVERAGES, THEY HAVE A MAX.
SO THEIR MAX WOULD BE THE 4.2, A LITTLE OVER 4.2.
SO ANY OVERAGE WOULD BE OUR, OUR CHRISTIE, YES.
DID YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF EDMUND SHIFT? YEAH, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS THAT IS LAID OUT IN EDMUND SHIFT, WHICH IS OUR MULTIMODAL, UH, PLAN THAT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHEN WE GO AFTER ANY STBG UCAS OR ANY OF THE OTHER ODOT ACOG GRANTS, WE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION WHERE THOSE ARE AT IN THE, IN THAT PLAN, AND WE PICK FROM THOSE, UM, 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN PRIORITIZED THROUGH THE EDMOND MOBILITY COMMISSION AND THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
UH, WHEN WE PUT THAT PLAN IN PLACE AS WELL AS YOU ALL, YOU ALL GOT TO HEAR THAT PLAN WHEN WE BROUGHT IT THROUGH AS WELL.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SIR, I SEE THAT IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVE 3 MILLION BUDGETED FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT THE ESTIMATED COST IS 5.3 MILLION.
SO IF WE DON'T APPLY FOR AND GET THE GRANT, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD OR MAKE THESE CHANGES THIS YEAR? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
SO WITHOUT THE GRANT, WE CAN'T, THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE MOVING FORWARD, BUT IF WE GET THE GRANT, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND WE'RE ACTUALLY SAVING $2 MILLION FROM WHAT'S BEEN BUDGETED.
BRAD OR STEVE, ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON KIND OF, IF THAT FUNDING DOESN'T COME THROUGH, WHAT IS OUR, WHAT'S OUR PLAN FOR, FOR THAT INTERSECTION, OR WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? YEAH, SO THIS ONE'S BEEN ON OUR LIST FOR A WHILE.
IT WAS ON THE GO BOND PROJECT LIST.
WE'VE BEEN, IT'S ONE, WE KNEW THAT ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED WOULD NOT BE FULLY ADEQUATE.
SO, UH, WHEN THIS GRANT CAME ALONG, WE THOUGHT THIS COULD BE OUR CHANCE TO GO FOR IT AND GET THIS INTERSECTION BUILT OUT.
WE'VE BEEN STUCK AT 60% DESIGN FOR EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN AT THE CITY COUPLE YEARS.
UH, SO WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO FINALIZE DESIGN UNTIL WE KNOW HOW MUCH FUNDING WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR IT.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD GET IT.
AND THEN JUST AS A, AS A REMINDER ON THE, THE 2017 VOTE, THE NUMBER, NUMBER ONE ITEM WAS STREET REPAIRS AND IMPROVEMENTS WITH PARTICULAR EMPHASIS ON EASING TRAFFIC CONGESTION, WHICH IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION YES, I THINK THAT FITS.
SO I DRIVE THROUGH IT EVERY DAY, HEADED NORTH ON BOULEVARD AND TRY TO MAKE A LEFT TURN ONTO SECOND STREET.
AND MY ONLY REQUEST, UM, IS THAT MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE THE LEFT TURN SIGNAL SO THAT MORE THAN TWO CARS CAN MAKE IT THROUGH IN THE MORNING.
'CAUSE IT LASTS ABOUT FOUR SECONDS.
THAT'S ABOUT HOW LONG THE, THE LEFT, THE PROTECTED LEFT TURN SIGNAL IS.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE, I'LL MAKE A NOTE EVERY MORNING.
WILL THIS INTEGRATE WITH THE IN, EXCEPT I'M GOING SOUTH.
THE INTELLIGENCE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
IS THERE INTEGRATION WITH THAT? IS THAT ALREADY IN PLACE HERE? OR WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADD INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT? YEAH, IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE THERE ALREADY.
YEAH, IT SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT CORSON.
I'LL, I'LL PASS THAT CONCERN TO CORSON THOUGH ABOUT THE'S THE TIMING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS OF A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR A SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BLOCK GRANT APPLICATION FOR MAIN STREET AND SOUTH BOULEVARD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AND APPROVAL OF A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
UM, AGAIN, S-T-B-G-U-C-A, WE THINK THIS ONE'S GONNA SCORE EVEN BETTER.
UM, THIS WAS, UH, RECOMMENDED BY ULI SEVERAL YEARS, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, OR THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE AS A WAY OF GETTING CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND THE UCO CAMPUS.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT
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CROSS RIGHT THERE, UM, TO GO OVER TO EVEN TO THE LIBRARY.UM, AND SO THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED, UM, BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED A SAFETY PROJECT.
I BELIEVE ALSO IT'S IN OUR EDMUND SHIFT MOBILITY PLAN AS A INTERSECTION AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN JUST FOR A TIDBIT, WE POTENTIALLY WILL BE ADDING A CITY LINK BUS STOP OVER THERE BY THE INTERSECTION OR OVER BY THE LIBRARY IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THIS IS, UH, FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND SUPPORT WITH A, UH, LETTER AND RESOLUTION.
HOW OFTEN DO THESE 100% FUNDING OPTIONS COME AVAILABLE? NOT VERY MANY
SO WE JUMP AT IT EVERY TIME WE CAN GET IT.
BUT THIS TOO WOULD BE BID WITH ACOG.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, THEY WOULD TAKE OVER THE PROJECT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY INTERSECTION, IT QUALIFIES FOR THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD.
JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY INTERSECTIONS THAT'S, UM, INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS UNIVERSITY DISTRICT THAT WE'RE CALLING IT.
UM, SO THE UNIVERSITY'S VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF ANYTHING THAT WE DO TO THESE INTERSECTIONS THAT CREATES A SAFER, MORE WALKABLE, UH, CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CAMPUS, THE UNIVERSITY DISTRICT, AND DOWNTOWN EDMOND.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S FOR BRAD.
LET ME JUMP, IF I CAN JUMP IN REAL QUICK.
IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND KIND OF THE GRANT PROCESS AS WELL.
SO, UM, WOULD THIS BEING SOMETHING THE UNIVERSITY WOULD MOST LIKELY BE IN FAVOR OF, UM, WILL THEY, OR HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO THEM ABOUT LETTERS OF SUPPORT? AND IN ADDITION, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH EDMUND PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SPECIFICALLY WITH RUSSELL DOHERTY ELEMENTARY, WHO WOULD BE, I THINK, POSITIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS? UM, WE HAVE NOT.
SO TYPICALLY HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE REACH OUT FOR LETTERS OF SUPPORT, IT'S USUALLY TO YOU ALL.
UM, IF, ESPECIALLY IF IT DOES HAVE A MATCH TO IT.
UM, OUR EDMOND MOBILITY COMMISSION, UM, I KNOW WE'VE GOT, 'CAUSE WE NEEDED THREE THIS TIME AND I CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT THE THIRD ONE IS.
BUT DEFINITELY UCO WOULD BE A PARTNER AND WE'RE ALWAYS IN CONVERSATION WITH EPS AND NEEDING IT.
AND I DON'T THINK, UH, THE SUPERINTENDENT WOULD HAVE ANY PROBLEM GIVING US ONE.
THESE WILL ALSO BE GOING TO MOBILITY COMMISSION NEXT WEEK AS WELL.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE VERY AMENABLE TO PROVIDING A LETTER OF SUPPORT.
SO WHEN WE, IF, IF WE GET THIS AND WHEN WE DESIGN THIS, ARE WE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ALL JUST ENCOUNTERED WHEN WE WERE DRIVING HERE TODAY WITH ALL OF THE TRAFFIC BACKED UP BECAUSE OF THE RUSSELL DOHERTY FOLKS PICKING UP THEIR KIDS? AND NOW THAT WE HAVE A CITY BUILDING ON THAT CORNER, RIGHT? THAT IS SUCH A CONGESTED CORNER.
YOU HAVE ONE LANE ON BOULEVARD, SO ARE WE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL? YES.
THIS IS, THIS IS ACTUALLY WAS BEING DESIGNED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, SAME ENGINEER, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'LL MESH TOGETHER WELL.
UM, IT'S, SO IT'S 60% DESIGNED ALREADY.
WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED ADDING DESIGNATED TURN LANE, SIGNALIZING, UH, CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS, ALL OF THAT.
YEAH, IT'S, WE CAN SEE IT OUT OUR WINDOW HERE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ACUTELY AWARE OF THE SITUATION AT THIS INTERSECTION.
I THINK IT WAS BACKED UP THREE FULL BLOCKS.
AND IT'S A DANGEROUS, I THINK IT IS.
SO IT, TO ME IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
THIS ONE, LIKE CHRISTIE MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT OF SAFETY COMPONENTS TO IT, WHICH IS WHY WE THINK IT'LL SCORE SO WELL, UH, WITH A SCHOOL, A LIBRARY, UCOS CAMPUS, UH, THE PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, PLAY FROGGER ACROSS THIS AREA, THERE'S LOTS OF SAFETY COMPONENTS TO IT.
IF, IF THERE ARE ANY DESIGN OVERAGES WITH THIS BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT, DOES THAT COME BACK TO US? IF IT EXCEEDS THAT, THAT AMOUNT, DO WE, ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT DIFFERENCE? YEAH, SO I THINK WE STILL HAVE, UH, OPEN PO FOR, WITH THE DESIGN CONSULTANTS ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN HOLDING THEM AT BAY.
UH, SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY OVERAGES.
IF WE HAD TO DO A MAJOR REDESIGN, THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE THAT COULD OCCUR, BUT AT THIS POINT, THEY'VE BEEN PAID VIRTUALLY 60% AND THEY'VE DESIGNED 60%.
I WANT TO CLARIFY, WESLEY, WAS THAT ON THE, THE CONSTRUCTION PIECE, IF FROM A GRANT PERSPECTIVE OR THE DESIGN, IF THERE'S AN AMOUNT OVER, IF THERE'S AN AMOUNT OVER THAT, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AMOUNT? SINCE IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT, THERE'S NO COST SHARING.
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SO JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT TOO.SO THE DESIGN PROCESS, THEY WILL STAY WITH US UNTIL WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETION.
AND ODOT WILL WORK WITH US AND WHOEVER'S DESIGNING IT, WHICH IS, UH, KIMBERLY HOR, CEC OH, OKAY.
RIGHT? CEC AT THE MOMENT FOR THIS INTERSECTION.
AND SO, UM, THEY'LL STAY, STAY WITH US UNTIL WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
AND THEN ONCE ODOT APPROVES THEM AND THEY TAKE OVER, IF THE PROJECT WOULD COME BACK OVER THAT 885, SINCE IT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, THAT'S GONNA BE ON ODOT OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY.
DO WE TYPICALLY, I MEAN, ONCE A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS APPROVED AND STARTS, HOW, WHAT'S TYPICALLY, HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE? IT DEPENDS ON THE FEDERAL FUNDING YEAR OF WHEN IT WOULD EVEN BE LET OUT.
UM, SO LIKE, WE'RE JUST NOW LETTING OUT, I THINK 20 FOURS, 20 FOURS.
UM, I THINK WE'RE JUST NOW LETTING OUT FY 24.
AND THAT'S FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 24.
SO I THINK THIS IS A 27, UH, IF NOT 28.
UM, I KNOW DANFORTH AND KELLY WAS PROBABLY OUR LONGEST ONE.
UM, CONSTRUCTION IS 200 AND YEAH, 210 DAYS.
UM, BUT TO GET TO THAT POINT WAS ALMOST TWO YEARS.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE IT FALLS IN THE PROJECT.
I WILL SAY THAT WE'VE HAD ONE OF OUR PROJECTS POSTPONED BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL SHUTDOWN, UM, OF EVEN LETTING, UM, SO I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY ON PROJECTS.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ONE.
SECOND, GO AHEAD AND CAST YOUR VOTES.
[A. Update and Discussion on Projects Funded by the 2000 and 2017 Capital Improvement Sales Taxes.]
THREE DISCUSSION ITEMS. UH, THREE, A UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON PROJECTS FUNDED BY THE 2020 17 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SALES TAXES.YEAH, THIS IS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS JUST A STANDING ITEM FOR, FOR EVERY MEETING.
SO IF, IF THE, UM, BOARD HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, ANY PROJECTS STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER, I WILL HIGHLIGHT, UM, AT YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WAS PROJECTS THAT THE GRANT DOLLARS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND THERE SEEMED TO BE AN APPETITE FROM THIS BOARD TO POSSIBLY VOTE ON THOSE AGAIN.
AND SO STAFF IS WORKING ON THAT.
SO WHAT THAT IS, IS THE FEASIBILITY OF A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE ACROSS SECOND STREET NEAR, UH, IN DOWNTOWN, AND THEN ALSO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TRAIL CONNECTOR FROM VISTA LANE TO KICKING BIRD ROAD.
SO, WE'LL, WE WILL BRING THOSE AS VOTING ITEMS TO YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING.
SO WE'RE STILL JUST GATHERING INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OTHER PROJECTS.
ANDY? NOT A QUESTION CHAIRMAN.
UH, PROBABLY MY MOST COMMON TOPIC, WHENEVER, WHENEVER WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS, JUST KUDOS TO STAFF.
YOU KNOW, CHRISTIE, YOU KIND OF SAID IT TONGUE IN CHEEK THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS TO MANAGE.
YOU GUYS CONTINUE TO STAY HUNGRY AND LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE PROJECTS MORE AFFORDABLE.
AND I JUST, I DON'T, I HOPE THAT WE DON'T TAKE THAT AS AS OLD HAT OR WE'VE JUST DON'T OVERLOOK THAT.
BUT, UH, ANDY DID A GREAT JOB RECOGNIZING STAFF EARLIER, AND I JUST WANTED YOU TO HEAR THAT FROM, FROM UP HERE.
I'LL, I'LL SAY TOO, UH, THANKS TO BRAD RAINEY BEFORE THE, UH, THE, UH, CAPLINGER PROJECT, HE ACTUALLY HAD HAIR, SO HE DOESN'T HAVE HAIR ANYMORE.
SO THE PROJECT HAS COST HIM A FULL HEAD OF HAIR.
I THINK JUST AS A, AS A ITEM OF NOTE FOR YOU, ANDY, AND, UM, AS WE LOOK AT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, THE, THE 2017 IS NICE 'CAUSE WE HAVE KIND OF THAT LIST THAT WAS VOTED ON BY THE CITIZENS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT KIND OF VOTER APPROVED LIST FOR THE 2000.
AND SO AS WE REVIEW THOSE AND WE START TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES AND HOW DO WE RANK THOSE AND RANK FUTURE PROJECTS AS WE, AS WE DO THAT, I'D LIKE THIS BOARD TO STAY PLUGGED IN ON THAT AND, AND THINK ABOUT A PRIORITY LIST, ESPECIALLY AS YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE NEXT SLIDE UP.
UM, THOSE NUMBERS DON'T CONTINUE TO NOT LOOK GOOD.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE FUNDING AND HOW WE'RE PRIORITIZING THOSE.
AND UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S A SALES TAX RENEWAL ELECTION ON THE 18TH OF NOVEMBER.
AND SO I'LL SAY THAT, UM, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IF THAT WERE TO PASS, BECAUSE PROPOSITION TWO, WHICH WILL BE ON THE BALLOT, IS TO REPURPOSE WHAT WE NOW CALL THE 2017 TO ONLY BE USED ON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS MM-HMM
AND SO, UM, WE WILL BE WORK, IF THAT IS TO PASS, STAFF WILL BE WORKING WITH THIS BOARD TO RECOMMEND PROJECTS TO THE COUNCIL TO BE FUNDED OVER THAT 10 YEAR HORIZON.
SO, UH, I THINK WHAT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THAT THEN, IF THAT'S YOUR ROAD TAX, THEN WHAT DOES THE OTHER, WHAT DOES THE
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2000 LOOK LIKE AND WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT? SO SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE A LOT OF FUN.LOOK, STAFF REALLY LOOKS FORWARD TO THE PROCESS, SO, SO, OKAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON PROJECTS? ALL RIGHT.
AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THREE B MONTHLY
[B. Monthly Sales Tax Report.]
SALES TAX REPORT.SO IN, IN YOUR PACKET IS THE, UH, CHECK THAT, UH, THE CITY RECEIVED FOR OCTOBER.
SO THIS IS SALES, UH, THAT TOOK PLACE, UH, IN AUGUST.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, DOWN IS BAD ON THE CHART AND RED IS BAD, BLUE IS GOOD.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S OKAY.
UH, IT WAS DOWN SALES TAX FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER WAS DOWN 5.41% WHEN COMPARED TO THE SAME MONTH LAST FISCAL YEAR.
UM, I, I THINK IN A NUTSHELL, PEOPLE, UH, PRICES CONTINUE TO REMAIN HIGH, A STICKY INFLATION THAT YOU PROBABLY READ ABOUT AND PEOPLE JUST HAVE LESS MONEY TO SPEND.
AND SO WE'RE SEEING A REFLECTION OF THAT.
AND SO WE, WE WILL JUST CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND ADJUST WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE TO PURSUE EVERY GRANT DOLLAR THAT WE CAN AS FAR AS AS IT RELATES TO PROJECTS.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE THERE, SO WE'LL SEE.
AND FOR THE YEAR, YOU SEE IT A HIGHLIGHT AT THE BOTTOM.
SO WHEN YOU COMPARE, UH, THESE SAME FOUR MONTHS COMPARED TO THE FOUR MONTHS BEFORE, WE'RE DOWN 2% AND WE HAD BUDGETED FOR ZERO GROWTH.
SO WE WILL SEE WHAT THE NEXT FEW MONTHS BRING.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE CITY COMPARISON AS WELL ABOUT SORT OF THE STATE OF THINGS AROUND, AROUND THE METRO, SO AS WELL AS THE TULSA AREA.
[4. Citizen Comments. This is an opportunity for residents and non-residents to address the Capital Improvement Projects Advisory Board on Capital Improvement Projects Advisory Board related matters not on the agenda or scheduled for a public hearing. All remarks must be directed to the Chair of the meeting, are limited to three minutes or less, and must otherwise be made in accordance with Section I of the City Council / Public Works Authority rules, available here and upon request at the City Clerk's Office. Please note that members of the Capital Improvement Projects Advisory Board cannot respond to issues brought up in Citizen Comments if they are not on the agenda, in accordance with state law.]
FOUR, CITIZENS COMMENTS.THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS TO ADDRESS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS ADVISORY BOARD ON THESE PROJECTS AND RELATED MATTERS.
HEY, UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, CITIZEN'S PERSPECTIVE, REVERSE ORDER THAT YOU DID 'EM AGREE COMPLETELY LEVERAGING WHAT THE GRANT TEAM IS DOING, WHICH I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, THAT THERE, YOU CAN DO MORE WITH LESS, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SOMETIMES SAY NO, TO KEEP DOLLARS IN RESERVE FOR THAT TEAM WHEN THEY GET, UH, SOME DOLLARS THAT YOU BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE 'EM BECAUSE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BECOME HARDER AND HARDER.
UM, ON ONE OF THE PROJECTS, THE FEDS AND THE, THE LOCAL MATCH PAYS FOR ALL THE A DA COVERAGE, BUT THIS GROUP DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND SPEND 200,000 OUT OF THAT POOL TO DO A PROJECT THAT HISTORICALLY HADN'T COME TO THIS BOARD.
TWO TIMES WE TALKED ABOUT THE SALES TAX, IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, TOUGH.
IT'S A TOUGHER ECONOMY THAN I THINK MATHEMATICALLY EVERYBODY FULLY UNDERSTANDS.
TODAY YOU RECOMMENDED SPENDING $3.69 MILLION.
[5. Comments from the Capital Improvement Projects Advisory Board Chair and Members.]
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS, ADVISORY BOARD CHAIR AND MEMBERS? I'LL OPEN IT UP.ANYONE HAVE COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR YOUR WORK.
I THINK AS, AS TAYLOR AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, IT'S, UM, IT'S A LOT HARDER WHEN THE MONEY ISN'T, UH, COMING AS EASILY.
AND SO, UM, TOUGH CONVERSATIONS AND TOUGH DECISIONS CAN BE MADE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD BOARD HERE TO, TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND TO DO THAT AND TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE BEST, UM, FOR OUR CITIZENS HERE IN EDMOND IS OUR, IS OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 18TH? IS THAT, DO YOU HAVE THE CALENDAR PULLED UP? IS THAT ON THE DAY THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING? YES.
LY MIKE SAID YOU HAD TO HAVE IT PROPERLY BEFORE YOU COULD COME.
I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WE DO NEED TO, TO VOTE ON THIS ONE.