[1. Call to Order of the Edmond City Council Meeting.]
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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO OUR FIRST MEETING OF 2026.
WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.
[3. Appointments and Reappointments:]
SO MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE.WE HAVE FOUR TOTAL APPOINTMENTS IN REAPPOINTMENTS.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS.
[4. Recess of the Edmond City Council Meeting and Call to Order of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting.]
ITEM FOUR.I RECESSED THE EVAN CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND CALLED THE ORDER OF EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING.
[5. Public Works Authority General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Public Works Authority. Members of the Public Works Authority may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]
WE ARE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING.UH, WE HAVE SIX ITEMS ON GENERAL CONSENT.
UNLESS ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL ANYTHING, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY, GENERAL CONSENT DOCKET.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[A. Consideration of Public Works Authority General Consent Agenda Items Pulled for Separate Discussion and/or Action.]
ITEM SIX, PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION ITEMS. WE HAD NONE ON A[B. Discussion and Consideration of Directing City Staff to File Necessary Notices to Adjust Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting Dates for November 2026. (Citywide)]
ITEM B DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF DIRECTING CITY STAFF TO FILE NECESSARY NOTICES TO ADJUST ADMIN PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING DATES FOR NOVEMBER, 2026.I CAN TALK TO THIS ONE 'CAUSE I BROUGHT IT FORWARD.
UM, AND I DIDN'T NOTICE IT UNTIL AFTER WE HAD SET OUR DATES FOR THIS YEAR, BUT THE FIRST MEETING IN, OR THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER IS ON THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING.
UM, EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS OUT THAT WEEK AND, UM, SO THERE, I JUST SAW THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHIFT IT ONE WEEK AND AVOID THAT THANKSGIVING WEEK.
AND THE RATIONALE FOR ME IS IF THEIR FAMILY'S TRAVELING OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAMILY IN TOWN.
UM, IF YOU'RE IN THE PUBLIC OR IF YOUR STAFF HAVING A COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY NIGHT, IT'S NOT A GREAT THING TO DO IF FEEL LIKE YOUR FAMILY'S SITTING AT HOME, YOU KNOW, COOKING A TURKEY OR SOMETHING.
SO, UM, THAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR MOVING IT.
UM, SO ANY COMMENTS UP TO YOU? ALL QUESTIONS? WE STILL MAINTAIN TWO WEEKS OF SEPARATION ON EITHER SIDE OF THE NOVEMBER MEETINGS, BY THE WAY.
UH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I THINK IT'S FEELS A LITTLE WEIRD MONDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.
SO THAT MEANS YOU GET TO PREPARE ALL DURING THANKSGIVING WEEKEND.
I GUESS THAT'S THE TRADE OFF
ALRIGHT, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? OKAY, YOU GOT A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[C. Consideration of Approval of the Amended and Restated Development and Financing Assistance Agreement with 103 Broadway, LLC, to Induce and Support a Mixed-Use Development at the Northwest Corner of Broadway and Hurd in Downtown Edmond to Provide for Assistance in Development Financing to 103 Broadway, LLC; Amount Not to Exceed $2,594,157.00. (Ward 1)]
ITEM C, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED AND RESTATED DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCING ASSISTANCE AGREEMENT WITH 1 0 3 BROADWAY LLC TO INDUCE AND SUPPORT OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BROADWAY AND HERD IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND TO PROVIDE FOR ASSISTANCE IN DEVELOPMENT FINANCING TO 1 0 3 BROADWAY, LLC.AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,594,157.
HOW ARE YOU? I AM HERE TO, UM, PRESENT ON 1 0 3 BROADWAY, THE AMENDED AND RESTATED AGREEMENT, UH, TO THE NEW AGREEMENT DETAILS.
UM, THE BUILDING, THE, THE PROJECT WILL NOW CONSIST OF TWO BUILDINGS TOTALING JUST UNDER 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE TWO LIVE WORK UNITS, TWO TOWN HOME UNITS, TWO GARAGES, ONE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ABOVE EACH GARAGE, AND A FOUR STORY MIXED USE BUILDING.
THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE A RESTAURANT ON THE MAIN FLOOR OFFICE SPACE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS.
AND ON THE TOP FLOOR, IT'LL BE RETAIL SPACE.
THIS AGREEMENT WILL BE DELETING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STREET SCAPE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HERD BETWEEN BROADWAY AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
UM, IT'LL NOW JUST BE ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, BETWEEN BROADWAY AND THE ALLEY.
THE COMMIT COMMENCEMENT DEADLINE HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO JULY 1ST, 2026, AND THE COMPLETION DATE HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO DECEMBER 31ST AT 2028.
THE PUBLIC ASSISTANCE FOR THIS PROJECT HAS GOT A TOTAL, UH, JUST UNDER $2.6 MILLION WITH PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT ASSISTANCE OF ABOUT 1.1 MILLION.
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AND DEVELOPMENT FINANCING IS GOING TO EQUAL $880,000.THAT WILL INCLUDE THE TENANT IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE BUILD OUT AND THE FIRE PUMP AND RISER ROOM FOR THE PROJECT.
THE STREET SCAPE IMPROVEMENT ASSISTANCE, AS I SAID IT WAS FROM UM, BROADWAY TO THE ALLEY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HERD, WILL TOTAL ABOUT $645,000.
UM, THE TIFF WILL FUND THE, UM, EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS ADDED.
A 90% INCREMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS TO ADD TO THE ECONOMIC PORTION OF THIS SO THAT EVERYBODY REALIZES WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHY THIS MAKES SENSE.
WHY WOULD A TIFF BE BUILT IN? LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY.
A VACANT PIECE OF LAND PROPERTY TAXES RIGHT NOW ARE $2,500 APPROXIMATELY.
THE SCHOOL GETS 1500 OF THAT ROUGHLY.
UM, THE FIRST YEAR SCHOOLS AFTER COMPLETION AND THE INCREMENTAL VALUE INCREASES, THE BUILDING WILL GET 14,700 OVER 25 YEARS.
THAT'S CLOSE TO A MILLION $800,000, UH, APPROXIMATELY 50 NEW JOBS AND ROUGHLY 189,000 ANNUALLY IN SALES TAX REVENUE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS IN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AS DONE BY THE EEDA, THE TOTAL IMPACT OVER 20, OVER 10 YEARS IS ALMOST $75 MILLION.
AND THAT, THAT'S A HARD NUMBER EVEN SEEING THAT ANALYSIS RUN.
SO I JUST SAY THIS, IF YOU HAVE A HARD TIME WRAPPING YOUR HEAD AROUND $75 MILLION, CUT IT IN HALF AND SEE IF THAT STILL DOESN'T MAKE YOU HAPPY.
THAT'S, THAT'S A, A, A REALLY TRANSFORMING PROJECT FOR DOWNTOWN AND, AND FOR THE FACE OF DOWNTOWN.
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THE DEVELOPER IS HERE AS WELL, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I THINK MY ONLY COMMENT ON THIS WHOLE THING IS WHY IN THE WORLD FOR AN AMENDED AGREEMENT THAT WE WENT ENTERED INTO IN OCTOBER OF 23, HAS IT TAKEN US THIS LONG TO, TO GET IT TO THIS POINT? TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S A FRUSTRATION.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE WITH GETTING DEVELOPERS TO COME TO THIS CITY AND WORK WITH US, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
UH, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I JUST WANT TO JUST, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY, JUST CONNECT, UH, A A COUPLE OF DOTS HERE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT IS THAT, UH, IN OCTOBER OF 23, UH, CITY STAFF MADE A PRESENTATION TO THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD AND, UM, UH, SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDED THE ORIGINAL 600,000 IN STREETSCAPE BE, UH, SPENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HERD.
AND THERE WAS A STAFF REPORT THAT CALLED OUT THE SOUTH SIDE OF HERD.
AND THERE WAS ALSO AN EXHIBIT, UM, TO THAT PRESENTATION AND TO THAT AGREEMENT IN OCTOBER OF 23 THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED, UH, FOR STREETS SCAPE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
I JUST WANT IT TO BE THIS, FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY, I JUST WANT IT TO BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOW, UH, ESSENTIALLY SHIFTING THAT ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTH SIDE.
SO THE 644, WHICH IS EXCLUSIVE OF 64 AND CHANGE THOUSAND THAT HAS BEEN SPENT ON DESIGN, THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE SOME, UH, DESIGN, UM, BRINGS US TO A TOTAL OF ABOUT 708,000 IN CHAINS THAT WILL HAVE BEEN SPENT ULTIMATELY ON STREETSCAPE HERE.
AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE NOT STRAIGHT LINE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF IT.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT ORDINARILY, UM, IF THERE WERE A PROJECT THAT HAD SOME DIFFERENT TIME CONSTRAINTS, I WOULD'VE, UH, STAFF WOULD'VE GONE TO THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD PRIOR TO COMING TONIGHT.
AND IF IT'S YOUR DIRECTION, I WILL PERSONALLY MAKE SURE THAT I GO TO THE NEXT CIP ADVISORY BOARD AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT WE DIDN'T DISCOUNT OR, UM, UH, SIDESTEP YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
IT WAS ULTIMATELY PART OF THE BUSINESS AMENDMENT, UM, FOR THE, OUR, THE BUSINESS TERM, UM, FOR THIS AMENDMENT OF THE AGREEMENT.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST FELT LIKE, JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY'S SAKE AND FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED, IT WAS, UH, WORTHWHILE TO POINT THAT OUT.
AND AS I SAY, IF THAT, IF YOU WANT ME TO GO TO THE NEXT CIP ADVISORY BOARD TO EXPLAIN TO 'EM EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY, I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, YES, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO GO, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'VE GOTTA GET THIS STUFF MOVING
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FASTER AND ULTIMATELY WE'D COMMITTED TO THE FUNDS, HOWEVER WE PLAY IT OUT.AND IF WE SHIFT IT FROM ONE SIDE OF THE STREET TO THE OTHER TO GET THIS THING MOVING, LET'S DO IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I AM ON THIS THING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, ONE COMMENT I WOULD SUGGEST, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, SEND THIS AGREEMENT IN THE BACKUP TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I KNOW I'D MENTIONED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO TO GO OUT AND TALK TO THEM.
HAVE HAVE ANY ARRANGEMENTS TAKING PLACE FOR THAT? I HAVE SPOKEN TO DR.
I HAVE NOT BEEN INVITED TO GO TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
UM, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM SENDING THIS TO HIM.
BEG YOUR PARDON? I HAVE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SENDING IT TO HIM WHEN IT'S SIGNED.
TO SPEAK BEFORE THE SCHOOL BOARD TO BRING 'EM UP TO SPEED ON THIS? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
COUNCILMAN? I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT THIS WEEK, AND I WILL, UH, SPECIFICALLY BRING THAT UP AND I, I'LL GET US THERE.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT I, I'M IN FAVOR OF AMENDING, UM, THIS AGREEMENT.
I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT BEHIND THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND WE HAVE A REALLY, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL DOWNTOWN AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE UNDEVELOPED LAND IS, UM, A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT GOES THERE.
AND I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER, UM, FOR THE QUALITY.
ACTUALLY, I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER FOR THE QUALITY.
UM, THE WAY THAT, UM, THE EFFORTS TO INTERMINGLE THE OLD AND THE NEW, UM, IN OUR, IN OUR DOWNTOWN, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE CHARM THAT WE HAVE AND ALL THE HISTORY WE HAVE.
AND, UM, I JUST APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE ALL THESE EFFORTS AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF AMENDING THIS AGREEMENT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD ADDITIONAL OR DOWNTOWN.
AND I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR AJ ABOUT CIP BOARD.
I THINK THAT'D BE GOOD JUST TO BACK BRIEF THEM, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR AND IT'S ALL TRANSPARENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO, MAYOR? I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX C.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[A. Consideration of Approval of a Budget Amendment to Transfer Funds within the Drainage Budget for Miscellaneous Materials and Supplies to the Drainage Budget for Vehicle Maintenance; $3,000.00. (Citywide)]
MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN, PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS AND ITEM A IS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO TRANSFER FUNDS WITHIN THE DRAINAGE BUDGET FOR MISCELLANEOUS MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES TO THE DRAINAGE BUDGET FOR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE IN THE AMOUNT OF $3,000.MR. LAWRENCE, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
STEVE LAWRENCE, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.
UM, THIS AGENDA ITEM IS FOR A, JUST A BUDGETING INPUT ERROR THAT WE'RE CORRECTING.
ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE.
AND THIS ITEM IS ACTUALLY COVERED UNDER OUR TRANSFER POLICY THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY, AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER WITHOUT EVER COMING TO THIS COUNCIL.
UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND AS WE CONTINUE TO CLEAN UP OUR FINANCIAL PROCESSES, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A TWEAK, I THINK, IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, UM, TO PUT SOME LIMITS ON THAT POLICY.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE TRANSFER POLICY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? DO EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? SCENE? NONE.
WHAT DO Y'ALL WANNA DO? MOTION.
[8. Adjournment of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting and Reconvene the Edmond City Council Meeting.]
ITEM EIGHT, ADJOURNMENT OF THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING AND RECONVENE THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[9. City Council General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Council. Members of the Council may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]
ITEM NINE, CITY COUNCIL GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT, THAT MEANS WE HAVE 20 ITEMS TO CONSIDER UNDER GENERAL CONSENT.
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I HAVE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NINE, UH, THE GENERAL CONSENT DOCKET MINUS NINE G AND NINE K.SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[A. Consideration of City Council General Consent Agenda Items Pulled for Separate Discussion and/or Action.]
TO ITEM 10, CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION UNDER ITEM A CONSIDERATION OF GENERAL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS PULLED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND OR ACTION.WE HAVE GOING BACK TO NINE G, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF PURCHASES VEHICLES, UTILITY VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT, BEDS, TOPPERS AND ACCESSORIES FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS FROM STATE CONTRACTS SW 0 0 3 5 W 0 0 3 5 TSW 0 1 0 6 W 0 1 96 W 1 97 FOR FY 25 26, NOT TO EXCEED THE APPROVED BUDGET AMOUNT OF $3,261,889 AND 20 CENTS.
I ASKED FOR THIS ONE TO BE PULLED JUST TO HEAR YOU READ OFF ALL THOSE NUMBERS.
THERE WAS, UH, THIS IS LIKE $3.2 MILLION OF PURCHASES THROUGH OUR STATE CONTRACT AND THERE JUST WASN'T A LOT OF DETAIL IN THE PACKET.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK OUR CITY MANAGER TO LIST OFF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING PURCHASED HERE.
FOR TRANSPARENCY, OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF IS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.
BOBBY MASTERSON ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
ARE YOU WANTING A LIST OF BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE BUYING OR YEAH, JUST KIND OF RUN THROUGH 'EM.
SO IT COMES FROM THE FLEET FUND, RIGHT? LEASE RATES ARE PAID AND IT COMES FROM THE FLEET FUND.
IT WAS APPROVED AS A BUDGET LINE ITEM EARLIER THIS YEAR, RIGHT? UH, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 12 TRUCKS, THREE SOLID WASTE TRUCKS THAT WILL BE PURCHASED AT FULL DOLLAR AMOUNT.
ONE'S GETTING TWO TRADE-INS, UH, TWO DUMP TRUCKS, AND 10 REGULAR TRUCKS.
UH, TWO MINI EXCAVATORS, ONE FULL SIZE EXCAVATOR, ONE BACKHOE, AND, UH, TWO SWAP LOADERS.
OKAY? AND SO THE DUMP TRUCKS AND THE, THE, UH, SOLID WASTE TRUCKS ARE THE MAJORITY OF THAT MONEY.
THE REMAINDER OF THAT MONEY COMES IN THE FORM OF HALF TON, ONE TON, THREE QUARTER TON TRUCKS FOR SERVICE VEHICLES AND UTILITY BEDS.
ARE THESE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES OR ARE WE ADDING TO THE FLEET? NO, SIR.
THESE ARE ALL REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.
AN ENTIRE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS REPLACEMENT VEHICLES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTION TO APPROVE NINE G.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
ITEM NINE K IS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL TO RENEW PROPERTY LEASE WITH CROOKED STICK LLC FOR APPROXIMATELY 5,160 SQUARE FEET.
LOCATED AT 3 21 WEST 15TH STREET FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT, ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE IN THE AMOUNT OF $126,000.
I ASK THIS ONE TO BE PULLED JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE JUSTIFICATION ON WHY WE'RE RENTING THIS PROPERTY AND FOR HOW LONG.
SO MAYOR AND COUNSEL, UH, UH, OUR STAFF DID DO SOME ANALYSIS THAT COMPARED, UH, IMPROVING THE EXISTING BUILDING ON BROADWAY, UH, TO LEASING, UH, THIS SPACE AND DID DETERMINE THAT IN AT LEAST THE SHORT RUN.
IT, IT'S A LITTLE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO LEASE THE SPACE.
I, I THINK, UM, AFTER HAVING, UH, SPOKEN, UH, TO YOU COUNCILMAN WATERSON A LITTLE BIT, I THINK YOUR GENERAL QUESTION IS LESS ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC TRANSACTION AND MORE ABOUT THE OVERALL PRACTICE OF THE CITY OF LEASING SPACE.
AND I SHARED WITH YOU THAT, UH, I SHARE THAT CONCERN.
I THINK THAT IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WE WOULD MAKE, UH, OR TAKE MAXIMUM, UH, VALUE AND AND BENEFIT FROM OBVIOUSLY THIS BUILDING, BUT ANY OTHER BUILDING THAT THE, UM, THAT THE CITY OWNS AND GOING FORWARD, UM, AT SOME POINT, I THINK IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I'LL LOOK FOR SOME COUNCIL DIRECTION ON A PLAN TO, UH, TO NOT LEASE SPACE.
UH, IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SETTING ASIDE SOME KIND OF SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EMERGENCY CONDITION.
BUT SELFISHLY, IF I COULD, I WOULD HAVE US ALL TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE.
UH, BUT EVEN JUST FROM A, AN OVERALL VALUE STANDPOINT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING EVERY, WE'RE DERIVING EVERY DOLLAR OF BENEFIT THAT'S BEEN INVESTED IN THE BUILDINGS.
LIKE NOT JUST THIS NEW BUILDING, BUT EVERY OTHER, UH, BUILDING THAT WE OWN.
AND SO, UH, I HAVE ALREADY WORKED A LITTLE BIT, UM, UH, WITH JANE ON A PLAN TO LOOK AT RELOCATING
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SOME, UH, OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES TO THIS BUILDING.AND THEN I THINK WE'LL, UH, ADVANCE AND GO TO FURTHER ITERATIONS OF THAT PLAN AS WE LOOK TO CONSOLIDATE FURTHER.
BUT I DO SHARE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT LEASING SPACE.
IN A PERFECT WORLD, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD DO IT UNLESS WE ABSOLUTELY HAD TO.
AND AT SOME POINT, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT GETS US OUT OF THAT BUSINESS.
YEAH, I, IF WE NEED TO DO IT SHORT TERM, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANOTHER OPTION AVAILABLE IMMEDIATELY, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
BUT DON'T WANNA DO IT FROM LONGER THAN WE NEED TO, OBVIOUSLY.
AND LOOKING AT IT HOLISTICALLY ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY, ALL OUR FACILITIES, ALL OUR STAFF, I THINK WE NEED TO BE SMART ABOUT THAT AND AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN.
SO, UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION PUBLICLY AND WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? MOTION TO APPROVE NINE K.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[B. Consideration of Waiver of Competitive Bids and Approval of Sole Provider Purchase from J&R Equipment for Necessary Repairs to Ques, Vactor, and Labrie (Solid Waste) Equipment; J&R Equipment is the Licensed Dealer in the State of Oklahoma and Therefore Must be Used for Dealer Repairs to Equipment; $200,000.00 Annual Estimate. (Citywide)]
YOU'RE NOW ON TO ITEM 10 B.CONSIDERATION OF WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE BIDS AND APPROVAL OF SOLE SOURCE PROVIDER PURCHASE FROM J AND R EQUIPMENT FOR NECESSARY REPAIRS TO QS V AND RE SOLID WASTE EQUIPMENT.
J AND R EQUIPMENT IS A LICENSED DEALER IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA, THEREFORE MUST BE USED FOR DEALER REPAIRS TO EQUIPMENT.
UH, WHO'S EXPLAINING THIS TO US? THIS IS ME AGAIN.
UM, J AND R EQUIPMENT IS THE LICENSED LIBERTY DEALER IN THE CITY AND THE OKLAHOMA REGION.
THERE ARE COST SHARING SAVINGS THAT COME FROM THAT.
THERE ARE PARTS OF THE WARRANTY WHERE PARTS ARE COVERED.
AND TO GET THE PARTS COVERED, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LICENSE DEALER.
THAT COULD INCLUDE THE CYLINDERS IN THE BACK OF A TRASH TRUCK.
THOSE ARE 12 TO $13,000 A PIECE.
THE QS EQUIPMENT, THOSE ARE THE CAMERA VANS THAT RUN THE SEWER LINES TO GET THE PICTURES, MAINTAIN THOSE, THE JETTING EQUIPMENT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THAT'S ALL VERY PROPRIETARY AND THEY ARE THE ONLY DEALER IN THE STATE.
FIRST, I NEED A MOTION TO WAIVE COMPETITIVE BIDDING.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
NOW I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THESE ITEMS. MOVE ACCORDINGLY, MAYOR, TO PURCHASE THE ITEMS FROM J AND R EQUIPMENT.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[C. Discussion and Consideration of Directing City Staff to File Necessary Notices to Adjust City Council Meeting Dates for November 2026. (Citywide)]
WE'RE NOW ON 10 C DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF DIRECTING CITY STAFF TO FILE NECESSARY NOTICES TO ADJUST CITY COUNCIL MEETING DATES FOR NOVEMBER, 2026.AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT EVEN GONNA FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION SINCE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT, RIGHT?
DID YOU SECOND? YOU HAVE A SECOND AND A SECOND.
[D. Discussion and Consideration of Future City Council Workshop Meeting Formats, Locations, Dates, Times, and Frequency. (Citywide)]
ONTO ITEM 10 D, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF FUTURE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP, MEETINGS, FORMATS, LOCATIONS, DATES, TIMES, AND FREQUENCY.MR. KRIEGER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUMP INTO THIS FOR US?
SO I GUESS THAT, UH, I, I THINK THIS IS, UM, A COMBINATION OF A COUPLE ITEMS. I THINK ONE, UH, I'VE HAD SOME INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION WITH A FEW OF YOU ABOUT, UH, UH, DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR WORKSHOP, UH, WORKSHOP ITEMS. AND I HEARD SOME OF YOU EXPRESS SOME DEGREE OF, UH, OF CONCERN OR JUST FRUSTRATION THAT A LOT OF TIMES YOU WERE DEALING WITH A SHOCK CLOCK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A FAIRLY WEIGHTY OR SUBSTANTIVE TOPIC ON AS A WORK SESSION AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO CUT IT SHORT IN ORDER TO GET TO, UH, TO A REGULAR MEETING.
SO, UM, I HAVE, UH, JUST, I, I SUPPOSE INFORMALLY PROPOSED THAT WE DO MAYBE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, ONE, THAT WE CONTINUED OR, OR GET SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD, HOW AND WHEN YOU WOULD'VE LIKE US TO SCHEDULE,
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UH, WORKSHOPS.BUT THEN ALSO TOO, UM, AS WE'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT, UH, IF, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, WE'LL START TO SCHEDULE SOME ITEMS PURELY AS DISCUSSION ITEMS, UM, YOU KNOW, AT OR NEAR THE END OF AGENDAS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AND IT'S OBVIOUS THERE'S NO ACTION TAKEN, BUT MAYBE SPEND A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WE MIGHT, UH, WITH A CHALK CLOCK, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO, UH, TO A COUNCIL MEETING.
WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO GET TO A FORMAT THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A SUBSTANTIVE, UH, THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION WITHOUT BEING RUSHED.
AND IT GETS YOU TO THE POINT WHERE YOU, THE FIVE OF YOU CAN, CAN PROVIDE STAFF WITH SOME DIRECTION ON ANY PARTICULAR ITEM.
SO HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE HERE.
CAN YOU HELP AN OLD MAN OUT AND HAVE A BREAK ABOUT EVERY HOUR AND 15 MINUTES? I SUPPOSE WE COULD WRITE THAT INTO.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BARRY? ACTUALLY, THE OTHER THING THAT I DID THAT I DIDN'T MENTION THAT I, THAT I SHOULD HAVE IS, ONE OPTION I ASKED ABOUT WAS THE USE OF THE THIRD MONDAY.
AND I THINK BETWEEN THE, ACROSS TO FIVE OF YOU, THAT HAS VARYING DEGREES OF, OF INTEREST OR SUPPORT.
BUT IF, IF THERE WERE AN ITEM THAT WERE, WE KNEW WERE GONNA BE, WAS GONNA HAVE A LENGTHY DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT AS WELL? I WOULD BE MORE OPEN TO THE FIRST MONDAY.
BUT IF I'M OVERRULED BY THESE OTHER FOUR, I'M NOT GONNA, I'LL JUST CHANGE SOME STUFF ON MY SCHEDULE.
UM, I DO LIKE THAT IDEA OF USING IT OFF MONDAY BECAUSE IF WE GET ON A TOPIC AND WE NEED TO DIG IN DEEP AND KEEP GOING, GREAT.
AND I MEAN, I KNOW THAT AS WE START TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WHICH THAT PROCESS IS ALREADY UNDERWAY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, UM, TO DO WHAT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF US SITTING UP HERE WANT TO DO AND ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH, EACH DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING FOR.
UM, INSTEAD OF JUST WHAT ARE THE, THE BIG TICKET CHANGES, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
AND THAT MAY MEAN EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
SO, UM, I COMMENTED ON THIS AT STRATEGIC PLANNING AND MY COMMENT, I, I THINK FOR A LOT OF, A LOT OF TOPICS WE CAN EASILY KNOCK 'EM OUT IN AN HOUR.
AND SO THE PREVIOUS WORKSHOP FORMAT WAS OKAY WITH ME FOR THOSE, OR EVEN AFTER, I GUESS IF THAT WORKS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY, THAT THAT SEEMS FINE TO ME.
BUT JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE WERE SOME TOPICS WHERE WE NEEDED MORE THAN AN HOUR AND, UH, TO ME THAT'S A SMALL NUMBER OF TOPICS.
AND UM, MAYBE SCHEDULING 'EM SORT OF ONE OFF WOULD BE EASIER JUST 'CAUSE OF CALENDAR SCHEDULING CHALLENGES AMONG US.
BUT I THINK IN SOME CASES WE NEED A HALF DAY, WE NEED A FULL DAY TO WORK THROUGH SOMETHING AS A GROUP AND WE SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH PUBLIC INVITED AND EVERYTHING PER THE RULE.
SO, UM, I DUNNO, I I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT A TIME OR DAY SLOT.
I THINK WE, WE NEED TO WORK THAT AROUND CALENDARS JUST AS THEY COME UP.
I THINK IT'S WORTH PUTTING THOUGHT INTO WHEN IS IT CONVENIENT FOR CITIZENS AND, UM, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT IS LARGELY MADE UP OF FAMILIES.
UM, AND A LOT OF TIMES MEETINGS ARE NOT, AT TIMES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY CONVENIENT FOR FAMILIES.
AND OF COURSE I SEE PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES WHO MAKE IT WORK.
UM, BUT I, I WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS IN PUBLIC 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW WE DECIDE THINGS AS A BODY.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO IF THERE WERE A CERTAIN WORKSHOP THAT IS, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST ABOUT DOWNTOWN, WELL MAYBE BE WISE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN ARE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS, STAKEHOLDERS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN DOWNTOWN, WHEN ARE THEY AVAILABLE? AND, UM, SO THAT MAY NOT MEAN THREE 30 ON A MONDAY, OR IT MAY NOT MEAN FIVE 30 ON A MONDAY.
IT MAY MEAN NOON, IT MAY MEAN 8:00 AM SEVEN 30.
BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WOULD LIKE US TO BE FREED UP A LITTLE BIT FROM ALWAYS HAVING AT A CERTAIN TIME.
BECAUSE IF THAT CERTAIN TOPIC ISN'T CONVENIENT, UM, FOR CITIZENS WHO WANNA SPEAK INTO A TOPIC, THEN THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE.
AND WORKSHOPS, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL WORKSHOPS HAVE BEEN WHERE WE SIT IN A DAIS AND STAFF AND THE CITIZENS SIT OVER THERE.
AND WHEN I THINK OF A WORKSHOP, I, THAT'S NOT HOW I SEE IT BEING MOST EFFECTIVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE SAME LEVEL
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UM, SO THAT'S KINDA WHERE WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.NOT THAT IT SHOULD BE AT THE WHIMS OF THE COUNCIL WHEN THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE IT, BUT I REALLY WANNA BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, UM, WORKSHOPS AND BECAUSE WE WANT CITIZEN INPUT.
IF, IF I CAN SAY FOR NOW UNTIL, AND WHILE WE WORK OUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER DETAILS, BOTH FACTORING IN, UM, UH, YOUR COMMENTS AND, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, WATERSON, ARE YOU OKAY IF FOR NOW WE START TO ROUTINELY SCHEDULE SOME OF THESE THINGS JUST AS DISCUSSION ITEMS? YEAH.
DURING THE COUNCIL PORTION OF THE MEETINGS? I WAS GONNA SAY, I MEANT TO SAY THAT MY PIN BROKE AS I WAS TALKING BECAUSE I WAS A LITTLE DISTRACTED OF THE INK.
BUT, UM, I, I AM OKAY WITH DISCUSSION HAPPENING DURING MEETINGS.
I MEAN, WE'RE ALL HERE, UM, THERE ARE INFORMED CITIZENS WHO ARE HERE.
UM, I ALSO, MY EXPERIENCE WITH WORKSHOPS STARTING AT THREE OR THREE 30, SOMETIMES WE WOULD START AT THREE, WE WOULD TAKE A BREAK AND THEN WE MAY BE HERE UNTIL NINE O'CLOCK.
AND I NEVER WANT A COUNCIL MEMBER TO BE MAKING DECISIONS WHEN THEY'RE JUST WORN OUT.
YOU KNOW? UM, SOMETIMES THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT IF, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, UM, WE WANNA AVOID THAT.
SO YES, I'M OKAY WITH DISCUSSIONS HAPPENING HERE.
AND I GUESS I HAVE SPOKEN MY PIECE ABOUT JUST WANTING TO BE CONSIDERATE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR PREFERENCES TOO, MA MAGGIE, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE SAID IS, IS RIGHT ON TARGET.
YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO DO 'EM AT SIX OR SIX 30 AT NIGHT TO GET TRULY GET INPUT, WHY NOT THEN IT WOULDN'T MATTER ON THAT THIRD WEDNESDAY OR THIRD MONDAY.
UM, BUT I MEAN, I, I, YEAH, I THINK THE IDEA OF SOME OF THESE TOPICS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, 45 MINUTE CONVERSATION, IF, IF WE NEED TO FOLD ONE INTO A COUNCIL MEETING, GREAT.
AND THEN OTHER TOPICS THAT WE KNOW ARE GONNA RUN LONGER, UM, AS WE GET INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET HEARINGS, UM, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO FIND THE HOLES ANYWAY ON PEOPLE'S SCHEDULE IF WE'RE GONNA GET EVERY DEPARTMENT IN HERE TO TALK TO US.
SO, AND I LIKE THE IDEA ABOUT MOVING SOME OF THOSE INTO A MORE INFORMAL SPACE.
IT IS VERY RIGID UP HERE, UH, IN THIS SETTING.
SO I THINK IF WE WANNA BE MORE COLLABORATIVE AND HAVE DISCUSSION COMING THIS WAY MORE, THEN THAT WOULD BE A BETTER SET UP.
WELL, I THINK WE, WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THE FIRST MONDAYS BEFORE, BUT I THINK IN LOOKING AT THE THIRD MONDAYS, THAT WASN'T GONNA BE POSSIBLE, RIGHT? I'M LOOKING AT CONSTABLE MURDOCH NICHOLS BECAUSE OF, UH, SPRING BREAK.
IT WAS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT 'CAUSE JUST THE WAY THE HOLIDAYS LINE UP THE FIRST PART OF THE YEAR BETWEEN MARTIN LUTHER KING, UH, PRESIDENT'S DAY AND THEN SPRING BREAK, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GONNA TAKE AT LEAST UNTIL APRIL BEFORE WE COULD EVEN DO ONE.
WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY CONSIDER THE FIRST MONDAY.
BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, WE'LL TRY AND EXPERIMENT FOR A LITTLE BIT WITH DISCUSSION ITEMS, UH, AT THE END OF, OF COUNCIL MEETINGS OR, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND THEN WE CAN TWEAK AND ADJUST FROM THERE.
BUT AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I THINK, UH, AS A STAFF, WE WANT TO DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU AND PUTS YOU COLLECTIVELY IN THE, IN THE BEST PLACE TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A THOROUGH AND THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION AND, UM, AND YOU'RE READY TO GIVE DIRECTION OR READY TO SCHEDULE A FUTURE VOTE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED TO, I WAS GONNA SAY, DO WE NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING ON THIS OR JUST ASK? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO.
BUT MAYBE COREY OR MADELINE, WOULD YOU REMIND US OF THE PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, LIKE A WORKSHOP? CERTAINLY.
UM, SO THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT WOULD REQUIRE US TO PROVIDE NOTICE.
UH, WE, WE CONSIDER THOSE SPECIAL MEETINGS UNDER THE ACT, THEY WOULD REQUIRE TO BE NOTICED AT LEAST 48 HOURS IN ADVANCE.
UM, CERTAINLY MORE NOTICE IS BETTER, UM, IN THE SENSE OF NOT ONLY THE TIME THAT WE'RE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO FIND NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC, BUT JUST THE ADMINISTRATIVE TIME TO PREPARE.
AND, UM, I, I THINK FOR ANY TIME WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING A MEETING, IT WOULD ALSO BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER OF, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO HAVING THE NECESSARY STAFF THAT ARE RELATED TO THE TOPIC, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE STAFF HERE TO RECORD THE MEETINGS, UM, MAYBE HAVING SECURITY HERE.
THOSE THINGS, THOSE ARE THINGS WE'RE GONNA NEED TO PLAN IN ADVANCE.
AND SO I, I THINK ADAPTABILITY IS WONDERFUL.
I THINK HAVING SOME SENSE OF A SCHEDULE IS ALSO BENEFICIAL.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SHOULD WE MOVE ON?
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LET'S MOVE ON.[E. Presentation, Discussion, and Consideration of Possible Direction to City Staff for Future Citizen Engagement Opportunities and Timeline Regarding the Use of Paving the Way Sales Tax Funds for Street Repairs and Improvements. (Citywide)]
ITEM 10 E IS PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE DIRECTION CITY STAFF FOR FUTURE CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND TIMELINE REGARDING THE USE OF PAVING THE WAY SALES TAX FUNDS FOR STREET REPAIRS AND IMPROVEMENTS.AND DO WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS? WE DO, YES.
SO AS CASEY IS, UM, TAKING THE PODIUM, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, UH, GET SOME, UH, INPUT ON, UH, POST THE, UH, THE SUCCESSFUL ELECTION FOR PROPOSITION ONE AND TWO, GET SOME COUNCIL, UH, INPUT AND DIRECTION ON A PLAN TO GO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC, AS I KNOW, YOU KNOW, UM, EVERYTHING THE CITY, UH, UH, PUBLICIZED AND PUSHED OUT REGARDING PROPOSITION TWO IN PARTICULAR SAID THAT THE CITY WOULD GO THROUGH, UM, AN AN EXTENDED AND, UM, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORT.
AND CASEY'S GONNA MAKE A, A PRESENTATION ABOUT HOW WE PROPOSE TO DO THAT.
I'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND THEN, UH, TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
CASEY MOORE, DIRECTOR OF MANAGEMENT SERVICES.
SO, AS A BACKGROUND, UM, AS, AS AJ MENTIONED WITH THE, WE HAD THE ELECTION LAST FALL, UM, WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT GETTING ADDITIONAL CITIZEN FEEDBACK AND INPUT.
UM, SO WE HAD THE PROPOSITION ONE, PROPOSITION TWO, AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT IS PROPOSITION TWO.
UH, AS A REMINDER, WE DO NOT START COLLECTING THESE DOLLARS UNTIL APRIL 1ST OF 27, SO OF NEXT CALENDAR YEAR.
SO DURING THIS TIME, AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT DURING THE ELECTION, 'CAUSE THE ELECTION NEEDED TO HAPPEN QUICKLY.
AND SO THEN WE SAID, HEY, WE WILL, WE WILL WORK TO GET CITIZEN FEEDBACK AFTERWARDS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT INPUT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT, UH, WANTING TO, UH, THROW SOMETHING OUT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AND, AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA TALK MAINLY ABOUT PROPOSITION TWO, AND THEN HERE IN A FEW MINUTES, I'LL INVITE STEVE LAWRENCE UP, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DATA AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, AND, AND HE CAN SPEAK, UH, TO THOSE ITEMS. SO, UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, THIS IS A SPECIFIC LANGUAGE.
WHEN WE PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT, AND IT SAID, OBVIOUSLY THESE DECISIONS ABOUT WHICH PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO DO, UH, WOULD BE MADE ULTIMATELY, UH, THROUGH SEVERAL STEPS ENDING WITH CITY COUNCIL.
BUT, UH, THOSE, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE DETERMINED AND, UH, BY USING DIFFERENT THINGS AND THE FIRST THING ON THEIR CITIZEN FEEDBACK RECEIVED THROUGH OUTREACH ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING SURVEYS, PUBLIC MEETINGS, ET CETERA.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, UM, WE HAVE DONE PREVIOUSLY, UH, SOME FEEDBACK ON, UH, TRAFFIC WHERE WE'VE RECEIVED TRAFFIC FEEDBACK FROM FOLKS.
IT'S, IT'S AN ONLINE TOOL THAT WE HAVE, UM, THAT WE WORK WITH OUR GS GIS DEPARTMENT ON.
WE'VE REFINED IT AS TIME HAS GONE ON.
UM, AND SO ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO INTO A MAP, DROP THREE PINS.
WE GIVE THREE SPOTS BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE SPOT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HEADACHE FOR THEM.
AND SO WE GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, DROP THREE SPOTS ON A MAP.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY ALL THAT DATA IS AGGREGATED, UM, BY OUR GIS FOLKS.
AND THEN WE GET A HOTSPOT MAP AND, AND THOSE THINGS ARE RANKED OUT.
UM, AND SO ONE THING THAT WE WANNA DO, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO TYPICALLY WE'VE, WE'VE JUST SENT OUT THE RELEASE.
WE'VE, WE'VE MADE THIS TOOL LIVE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, WE WANNA DO THAT.
BUT WHAT WE WANNA DO THIS TIME IS ACTUALLY SET UP SHOP IN SOME PUBLIC LOCATIONS, UH, TO, TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE TO, UM, IF, IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DEVICES WHERE THEY CAN JUST SCAN AND GO STRAIGHT TO THAT SURVEY.
BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, WE'LL HAVE THAT TECHNOLOGY ON SITE FOR THEM TO DO THAT AS WELL.
AND WE REALLY FIND THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO KEEP ALL THE DATA IN ONE PLACE.
WE TRY TO GET OPEN-ENDED DATA THE VERY FIRST TIME WE DID THIS, AND IT LITERALLY TOOK US WEEKS, MAYBE MONTHS TO PARSE THROUGH ALL THAT.
SO, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, WE WANT TO TRY TO GET INTO ONE TOOL SO THAT WE CAN TURN THAT AROUND FAIRLY QUICKLY AND START TO USE THAT DATA AND THAT INFORMATION, THAT FEEDBACK.
SO SOME THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO, UH, POTENTIALLY SET UP A DAY OR TWO AT THE LIBRARY.
WE KNOW A TON OF PEOPLE VISIT OUR EDMOND PUBLIC LIBRARY DOWNTOWN, UH, AND A WIDE RANGE OF FOLKS AS WELL.
AND SO, UM, SPENDING TIME THERE, UH, GETTING ON CAMPUS AT UCO, WE KNOW THAT THE, WE HAVE A LOT OF COLLEGE STUDENTS THAT DEFINITELY DRIVE ON OUR, OUR STREETS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND MAYBE AREN'T AS PLUGGED INTO, UM, THE THINGS THAT WE SEND OUT.
SO WE'D LIKE TO, TO BE THERE AND SET UP AND, AND HAVE SOME OUTREACH WITH THOSE FOLKS.
UH, LOOK AT POTENTIALLY A, A LARGER EVENT LIKE HEARD ON HERD, UM, AND THEN
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YOUTH BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL.SO PLACES WHERE THERE'S ALREADY A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE OF, OF EDMUND FOLKS THAT ARE THERE, UH, WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN DIRECTLY REACH THEM, TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON.
AND THEN IF OBVIOUSLY ANYONE NEEDS TOOLS, UH, WE WOULD HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO FILL OUT THE SURVEY AS WELL.
SO, UM, MOVING AHEAD, WHEN WE GET TO THE END, I THINK I MENTIONED WE'D SEND OUT A RELEASE, UM, IDENTIFY THOSE THREE TRAFFIC HOTSPOTS IN, UH, 2022.
THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS, WE HAD 5,400 VALID RESPONSES.
WHEN WE SAY VALID RESPONSES, SOMETIMES THINGS, UM, GO A LITTLE AWRY.
MAYBE SOMEBODY, UM, FILLED OUT THE SURVEY MORE TIMES THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE.
WE CAN SEE THOSE THINGS SO THAT, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THOSE.
OR SOMETIMES, UH, THINGS LAND OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS.
SO, UM, AND THEN ESSENTIALLY ON THE BACK END, OUR FOLKS GO THROUGH AGGREGATE THAT DATA AND THEN AT, AT, UH, AT THE, UH, END OF ALL THAT WE CAN PUT OUT SOMETHING THAT THAT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE FROM 2022, THERE WERE, THERE WAS OUR TOP 10 LIST.
UM, A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED OR IN THE PROCESS OF BEING ADDRESSED.
UM, AND THAT THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE'VE FOUND TYPICALLY, UM, THIS CITIZEN'S FEEDBACK TENDS TO, IT DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, IT TENDS TO FOLLOW THE DATA THAT WE, THAT WE TEND TO KNOW ALREADY.
UM, WE, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FEELING OF WHERE, WHERE THESE HOTSPOTS ARE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE KNOW EVERYTHING.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN TRADITIONALLY IS, IS THIS FEEDBACK DOES FALL THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN WHERE SOME NEW AREAS POP UP THAT MAYBE WEREN'T ON THE RADAR BEFORE OR UP AND COMING AREAS OF CONCERN.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN REALLY VALUABLE DATA FOR, FOR OUR PEOPLE PLANNING AS WELL.
SO WE WANT ALL THAT INFORMATION.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO TAKE ALL THAT IN, UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY TAKE THAT.
I THINK THAT THE KEY AND, AND, AND WHEN STEVE COMES UP, UH, FOR YOU ALL TO FIGURE OUT IS SORRY ABOUT THAT, IS WHAT, HOW DO YOU WEIGH THIS COMPARED TO THE HARD NUMBERS AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE.
UM, BUT, UM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR, HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO STEVE, IF, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THIS AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
UM, AND THIS WOULD BE DURING THE BUNCH OF MONTH OF MARCH, AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF WE STILL NEEDED MORE, MORE FEEDBACK, MORE INFORMATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO KICK THINGS OFF WITH THIS FOR SURE.
WELL, I THINK IT'D BE A GREAT, A GREAT TIME TO HAVE A SPECIAL WORKSHOP, HAVE CITIZENS COME IN AND OFFER THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT THIS, RATHER THAN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT ON AN IPHONE OR SOMETHING.
JUST COME IN HERE AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT.
THEY'RE HAVING, THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE A NICE TIME.
THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT STREETS.
UH, SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A, A MEETING ABOUT THAT WHERE CITIZENS CAN COME TALK TO US ABOUT IT DIRECTLY OR MORE OF THE EDMOND MATTERS MEETING.
AND IT, IT, TO ME, IT'S JUST TIMING OF HOW WE WORK THROUGH THAT.
I THINK IT'S, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US INCLUDE THE HOTSPOTS, THE TRAFFIC STRUGGLE AREAS, AND ESPECIALLY LIKE THE PCI AND THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT OUT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN REVIEW THAT BEFORE THEY START MAKING CHOICES.
I MEAN, YOU JUST THROW IT OPEN, I KNOW COUNCILMAN MOORE'S GONNA WANT IT AT HIS HOUSE, AND I'M GONNA WANT IT AT MY HOUSE.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE ALL, WE'LL DO IT AT YOUR HOUSE, THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S MOST NEEDED AND THAT BE, AND THE PUBLIC WORKS WITH, UH, WITH ROAD RATINGS, WHICH ARE THE WORST.
I THINK THAT SHOULD HOPEFULLY HELP INFLUENCE THOSE DECISIONS.
YEAH, AND I, AND, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT, AND I THINK I DIDN'T TOUCH ON THAT.
AND SO REALLY WHAT THIS HAS TALKED ABOUT MORE HAS BEEN, UH, TRAFFIC, IT'S PROBABLY LEANED A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS CONGESTION, UM, WHERE, WHERE YOU FEEL, WHERE YOU FEEL STRESS ABOUT TRAFFIC CONDITIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT STEVE WILL COME UP AND TALK ABOUT AND HOW, AND THAT, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT I'D MENTIONED, HOW WE MARRY ALL THAT TOGETHER.
THIS, THIS SPECIFICALLY HAS, HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN MORE ABOUT, UM, YOUR DRIVING EXPERIENCE.
NOT NOT AS MUCH ABOUT CONDITIONS, BUT BUT DEFINITELY HOW DO WE MARRY ALL THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE OR DISAGREE.
I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT FURTHER CERTAINLY.
BUT I, I WANT THIS MONEY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO WHERE STREETS AND ROADS NEED REPAIR AND NEED FIXING.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, THROUGH ITS THROUGH WHATEVER, LET'S, LET'S CONTROL TRAFFIC.
IF WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, THAT'S FANTASTIC.
BUT, BUT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE MISSING THE BOAT HERE IF WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING WHERE THE ROADS NEED THE REPAIR THE WORST.
JUST MY, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD HEAR PART TWO OF THE STORY HERE.
IF YOU WANNA DO THAT BEFORE YOU GUYS HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION.
SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND I'LL DO THIS AND INVITE MR. LAWRENCE
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UP.STEVE LAWRENCE, UH, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.
UM, SO ANOTHER GOOD REASON FOR US TO DO THE PUBLIC INPUT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROGRAM IS REALLY FOR STAFFING ISSUES WITH ENGINEERING AS WELL.
UH, OF THE THREE PEOPLE THAT'LL BE WORKING ON THIS PROGRAM, TWO OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE VACANT.
WE HAD A RETIREMENT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AND WE HAD A POSITION THAT WAS SUBJECT TO THE HIRING FREEZE UNTIL THIS TAX PASSED, UM, NOVEMBER 18TH.
WE PUT AN ADVERTISEMENT OUT FOR THOSE POSITIONS.
WE'VE GOT ONE QUALIFIED CANDIDATE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AND HOPE TO HAVE ANOTHER SOON.
UM, SO CURRENTLY THE, THE ENGINEERING STAFF THAT WE DO HAVE AND WATER RESOURCES, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UH, UPDATING OUR STANDARD CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND CREATING A LAND DEVELOPMENT DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IT'S TAKING A LOT OF STAFF HOURS IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE NORMALLY DO.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, WE'LL HAVE THAT WRAPPED UP AND WE'LL BE READY TO KIND OF MOVE THEM OVER AND JUMP INTO THE PAVING THE WAY PROGRAM.
UM, SO, SO THE DATA THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR AND, AND WHAT WE THINK WE'LL GET, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC OUTREACH IN THE BEGINNING IS, UH, MAINLY, YOU KNOW, AREAS OF CONCERN FOR THE CITIZENS, WHETHER IT IS, UH, TRAFFIC, WHETHER IT IS, UM, ISSUES WITH, UH, SAFETY OR, UM, WHATEVER IT IS THAT, THAT THEY DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT.
UH, WE HOPE TO TAKE THAT DATA, UH, AND COMBINE IT WITH ALL THE OTHER DATA STREAMS WE HAVE.
WE HAVE EXCELLENT DATA ON THE PAVEMENT CONDITION OF EVERY STREET.
UM, WE'VE GOT A PROGRAM THAT WILL, WILL SORT THROUGH THAT.
UM, WE'LL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
PART OF THIS WILL BE TO COME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW, UH, WHAT OUR TARGET LEVEL IS FOR EACH TYPE OF STREET, UH, ARTERIAL STREETS WITH A LOT OF, LOT OF VOLUME.
WE WANT TO HAVE THOSE IN OUR, IN THE BEST SHAPE.
UM, SO WE HAVE OBJECTIVE DATA FOR ALL THE PAVEMENT CONDITIONS AND, UM, GENERALLY THAT MATCHES UP WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY ON A ROUTINE BASIS.
I KNOW YOU GUYS GET A LOT OF, UH, CALLS ABOUT PAVEMENT CONDITION FREQUENTLY.
AND SO, UM, THE DATA SEEMS TO MATCH UP WITH THAT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN THAT DATA TO LOOK AT LIKE PAVEMENT CONDITION.
UM, SO ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, DATA STREAMS THAT WE HAVE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, HOT, HOT TOPIC AREAS FOR, FOR CITIZENS OR FOR THE PAVEMENT CONDITION, UH, IT'LL ALL COME TOGETHER.
UM, WE WANT TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE USE OF FEDERAL FUNDING AS WELL.
UH, WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT IN THE PAST.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UH, GETTING AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UM, WE, IN FACT, WE, WE JUST, WE'RE GETTING THE RESULTS RIGHT NOW.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET MUCH THIS YEAR, BUT THAT'S BECOME, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROGRAM INCORPORATES AS MUCH, UH, FEDERAL DOLLARS AS WE CAN, UM, TO GET THE BEST VALUE FOR THE CITIZEN.
SO, UM, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DATA ANALYSIS THAT WE DO.
UM, WE'VE GOT QUITE A, QUITE A BIT.
SO THE PAST, WE'VE GOT ALL THE PAST, UH, FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN.
EVERY TWO, WE USED TO DO IT EVERY TWO YEARS.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DATA FOR THAT.
WE'VE GOT THE PAYMENT CONDITION INDEX.
WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, UH, UH, WE, WE GET DAILY CALLS, YOU KNOW, UH, FROM CITIZENS.
WE GET, UH, UH, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA AND, UH, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT PUT TOGETHER IN A, IN A PRETTY GOOD FORMAT.
UM, YEAH, AND THEN REALLY THAT'S US GETTING THAT PUT TOGETHER IN ITS, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY FA STAGES AND THEN GETTING THAT TO THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD, GOING THROUGH IT WITH 'EM, UH, PROBABLY VERY EXTENSIVELY, UH, FINDING OUT FROM THEM PRIORITIES FROM THEM, UH, AND STARTING TO KIND OF MASSAGE THE DATA AND, AND THE, THE PROGRAM.
UH, SO HOPEFULLY, UH, JUNE, AUGUST TIMEFRAME WE'LL START GOING THROUGH THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND GETTING FEEDBACK WITH FROM THEM.
AND, AND SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S A THREE MONTH PROCESS.
IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, DEPENDING ON HOW QUICKLY WE CAN STAFF UP BEFORE THIS, AS WELL AS HOW MUCH TIME THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD WANTS TO SPEND ON IT.
UM, BUT THIS IS OUR, UH, PRELIMINARY SCHEDULE.
THIS IS KIND OF OUR EARLY START, EARLY FINISH SCHEDULE.
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MAY GO A MONTH AFTER THIS IF, IF, IF NEEDED.SO, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
SO, UM, WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? I'VE GOT SEVERAL OR COMMENTS.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CITIZEN INPUT, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL.
I THINK SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT CASEY PRESENTED ARE VIABLE.
I LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN MOORE SAID ABOUT USING ADMIN MATTERS AS WELL AS A WAY TO GET THAT INPUT, WHICH MEANS WE NEED SOMEONE THERE TO LISTEN.
UM, THAT KIND OF INPUT IS WHAT GOES TO WHAT CIP BOARD SHOULD HAVE IN THE TOP OF THEIR MIND AS THEY WORK ON WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE CIP DOLLARS AND THE DATA THAT YOUR TEAM PROVIDES IS WHAT SHOULD BE HELPING US GET TO THAT DECISION.
AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE DOING IT THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT, WHERE WE JUST SAY, OKAY, HERE IT IS, CIP SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
AND THEN A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS LATER, WE HAVE A NEW COUNCIL AND THEY GO IN AND CHANGE THE GAME PLAN.
WE NEED A ROAD PLAN THAT'S PUBLISHED SIMILAR TO WHAT THE STATE DOES WITH THEIR EIGHT YEAR ROAD PLAN.
I'M NOT SAYING IT OUGHT BE EIGHT YEARS, THAT'S MR. LAWRENCE FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHAT WE REALLY OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT.
UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT STATE FUNDING, FEDERAL FUNDING CHANGES THAT, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN THAT WE CAN SHOW PEOPLE AND SAY, HERE IT IS, AND WHEN SOMETHING MOVES, THIS IS WHAT DOES THE REST OF THEM WE'RE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY.
I LIKE ALL OF THIS, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S GOTTA COME TO THAT PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.
I KNOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALL THIS DATA.
THIS PROBABLY REDUNDANT, MAYBE I'LL SAY IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
I, I, I WANT THAT INPUT, BUT I, I WANT US TO FIRST ARM CITIZENS WITH INFORMATION BY WHICH THEY MAKE THOSE, THAT INPUT.
I THINK IF, LIKE, IF YOU TOLD ME WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR GREATEST DESIRE IN FAR AS TRAFFIC MOVES? WELL, I NEED TO SAVE TWO MINUTES.
WHEN I DRIVE DOWN BRYANT FROM COFFEE CREEK TO 33RD STREET, THAT'S A SWING AND A MISS.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT MADE WITH ANY INTELLIGENT BACKUP.
AND, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO PEOPLE BEFORE THEY COME AND BEGIN PROVIDING INPUT.
OR ELSE THIS IS, NOBODY'S GONNA BE HAPPY BECAUSE THEIR PROJECT PET PROJECT DIDN'T GET DONE.
AND SO WE HAVE TO BACK UP REASONS WHY THIS PROJECT STOOD OUT OVER THIS ONE BECAUSE FEDERAL DOLLARS WERE INVOLVED.
CONDITION PAVEMENT, CONDITION INDEX, PROVE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON AND ON AND ON.
THAT'S ALL I'M, I JUST WANT TO BE, HAVE ALL THAT OUT THERE FOR THEM TO DIGEST BEFORE THEY START, START ENTERING INTO THESE, THESE KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS.
JUST TO THAT REAL QUICK, WE, WE DO HAVE THAT ON THE WEBSITE 'CAUSE WE PUT THAT ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE PAVING THE WAY SO WE CAN TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND PUSH THAT OUT AND, AND PROMOTE THAT.
I TALKED ABOUT THIS AT STRATEGIC PLANNING A LITTLE BIT TOO, BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGE HERE IS TO, UM, THE WEIGHTED SCORING OF ALL OF IT, RIGHT? WHEN WE AGGREGATE IT ALL TOGETHER INTO A SINGLE PRIORITIZE LIST THAT GOES INTO THAT PLAN.
SO I THINK THAT IS A CHALLENGE.
I REMEMBER, UM, CLICKING ON HOTSPOTS ON THE MAP ONE OF THOSE TIMES AND IT WAS 15TH AND BRYANT AND SECOND AND BRYANT.
AND SO I WAS REALLY GLAD WHEN I SAW THOSE ROADS GET REDONE EVENTUALLY THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
SO I THINK THERE IS SOME POWER IN ENABLING INPUT THAT WAY.
I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF IN-PERSON ENGAGEMENTS AS WELL.
AND I THINK WITH LIKE MITCH PARK PLAN AND OTHER STUFF THAT'S WORKED WELL.
UM, SO I THINK, AND I THINK THE TIMELINE HERE IS GOOD, UM, IN TERMS OF GETTING IT TOGETHER QUICK ENOUGH, BUT NOT, UM, NOT TOO FAST.
UM, I DID WANNA LET, PHIL KLUTZ IS HERE, WHO'S THE CHAIR OF THE CIP BOARD.
I WANTED TO LET HIM COME UP AND JUST OFFER HIS THOUGHTS REAL QUICK FROM A CIP BOARD PERSPECTIVE IF HE CAN.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL, PHIL KLUTZ, CHAIR OF THE CIP BOARD.
UM, I THINK IT IS, IT GIVES TIME FOR CITIZENS TO GIVE INPUT AND IT GIVES TIME TO REVIEW THE, THE OBJECTIVE DATA THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, AND THEN THE MIX OF HOW DO WE USE THAT SUBJECTIVE AND OBJECTIVE DATA TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AND A PLAN THAT'S THE FUTURE.
UH, THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS AT CIP WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO WE HAVE A MORE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THESE THINGS AND NOT JUST WHAT PROJECTS COME UP AND WHEN DO WE DO THEM, BUT WE KNOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS AND LET'S KEEP THAT ON THE PLAN.
AND IF FUNDING IS SHORT, THEN EVERYTHING
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BUMPS OUT.UM, THE, THE ONE THING ABOUT THIS PLAN THAT I DO WANT TO KIND OF HOLD FIRM TO IS, IS THAT THREE MONTH, UH, WINDOW FOR CIP TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAVE A MONTH TO DISCUSS IT AT CIP AND THEN IT NEEDS TO COME TO YOU.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ENOUGH TIME.
WE HAVE A REALLY ROBUST BOARD.
WE HAVE SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS AND I THINK HAVING TIME TO REVIEW IT, DISCUSS IT, AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO REVIEW IT AND DISCUSS IT BEFORE WE FORMALIZE WHAT WE WANNA RECOMMEND TO YOU AS THAT BODY, UM, I THINK WOULD WORK REALLY WELL TO HAVE THAT THREE MONTH PERIOD.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS JUST, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A WORKSHOP.
I THINK THE MORE IN-PERSON DISCUSSIONS WE CAN HAVE, WE HAVE CIP THE THIRD TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH, AND THAT'S OPEN TO CITIZENS.
SO COMMUNICATING THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC THAT, THAT THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME TO CIP MEETING AND, AND HAVE INPUT DURING THAT PERIOD AS WELL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
I'M SORRY TO ASK YOU TO COME BACK UP, BUT IF YOU WOULD,
DO YOU THINK YOU NEED, IF YOU NEED MORE TIME TO BE THOROUGH AND GO OVER IT ALL, THEN I THINK YOU OUGHT TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT.
UH, WHEN YOU WERE SAYING IF YOU FELT LIKE THE CIP COMMITTEE WAS RUSHED OR YOU TOO TIED TIME, I THINK, I THINK THREE MONTHS IS ADEQUATE.
UM, I THINK IF WE TRIED TO DO IT ONE OR TWO, IT'D BE RUSHED.
WHO KNOWS WHEN WE SEE IT, WE MAY WANT MORE TIME.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S DRIVING THE SEPTEMBER THE DATE, BUT IF, IF WE GET TO JULY AND WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED MORE TIME, I'D BE HAPPY TO ASK FOR THAT.
YOU DID SAY YOU HAVE A VERY ROBUST BOARD.
THAT'S A VERY POLITE WAY OF
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S BECOME A, A VERY, I THINK A VERY OPEN AND AND HONEST CONVERSATION YOU'VE BEEN HAVING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WE'VE BEEN, WE'RE WILLING TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED AND, AND HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT 'EM.
SO I THINK IT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD.
WELL TAKE THE TIME YOU NEED TO DO IT AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE WORKING HARD AND I IN YOUR STUDYING HARD, SO JUST THANK YOU AND TAKE THE TIME YOU NEED.
IF I MAY, JUST TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON THAT, UH, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME, THAT WAS AS MUCH ME.
WE WERE TRYING TO UH, FIGURE OUT A BALANCE BETWEEN A, A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME TO GO AND ENGAGE RESIDENTS YET HAVE THE, HAVE IT BE EVIDENT AND VISIBLE TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND THINKING ABOUT HOW WE'LL IMPLEMENT THIS.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE LONGER IF, IF, IF THE COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH IT AND JUST PERHAPS HAVE THE CIP ADVISORY KIND OF DRIVE THAT PART OF IT.
DON'T TAKE LONGER, TAKE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS OTHER THAN I THINK MR. KRIEGER HAS GOT THIS ONE UNDER CONTROL AT THIS POINT.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF WHAT WE WERE CONSIDERING AND, UH, ADJUST TO, UH, WHATEVER YOUR NEEDS ARE.
SO IF YOU'RE GENERALLY OKAY WITH IT, THEN WE'LL PROCEED AND WE'LL OBVIOUSLY KEEP YOU UPDATED AS WE, AS WE PROGRESS.
[F. Presentation and Discussion of the Proposed City of Edmond 2026 State Legislative Agenda. (Citywide)]
MOVING ON TO 10 F PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED CITY OF EDMOND 2026 STATE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, MR. MOORE.WE'LL GET THE PRESENTATION SWAPPED OUT HERE.
MY COMMENTS WILL BE BRIEF AND THEN I'LL BE WELCOMING UP BROOKS WRIGHT WITH CSS PARTNERS WHO, UH, REPRESENTS US DOWN AT THE CAPITOL.
SO, UH, THIS IS A PRESENTATION DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED CITY OF EDMOND 2026 STATE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.
I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UM, BROOKS IS GONNA GO IN DEPTH ON ANY OF THESE AND WANTS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE CONCERNS THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WITH THE GOAL BEING THAT, UH, WE WOULD TAKE THAT FEEDBACK, UH, TWEAK ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOR YOUR APPROVAL, UH, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, ABOUT A WEEK OR SO BEFORE THE, THE SESSION STARTS.
SO I WILL INVITE, UH, BROOKS UP AND HE CAN TAKE IT FROM HERE AND I'LL BE SITTING BY TAKING LOTS OF NOTES.
UH, BROOKS RILEY, CSS PARTNERS.
UM, SO YEAH, JUST BRIEF OVERVIEW.
WE'RE WALKING INTO THE SECOND SESSION, UM, OF THE 60TH LEGISLATURE.
SO JUST A REMINDER, WE'RE IN AN ELECTION YEAR AND HAVE A LOT OF STATEWIDE ELECTIONS, SO I ANTICIPATE THAT THAT WILL COLOR A LOT OF THE NEWS AND, AND BILLS AND THINGS, UH, THAT YOU PROBABLY SEE COMING OUT OF THE SESSION.
SO, UM, WE ALSO HAVE BEEN GETTING PRELIMINARY REPORTS ABOUT, UH, WHAT KIND OF BUDGET THE LEGISLATURE WILL BE WORKING ON.
IT SEEMS TO BE FLAT OR SMALLER THAN WHAT THEY'VE HAD IN YEARS PAST, SO THAT COULD ALSO, UH, IMPACT WHAT KIND OF BILLS WE
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HAVE.BUT, UM, IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY, I MIGHT WALK THROUGH LINE OR BULLET BY BULLET ON EACH OF THESE AND KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON HOW THEY, HOW WE CAME ABOUT ON THESE.
AND, AND THEN, UM, MAYBE GO, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON EACH ONE, JUST STOP AND INTERRUPT ME.
BUT, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS MAINTAINING LOCAL CONTROL OVER LOCAL ISSUES OPPOSED LEGISLATION THAT TAKES AWAY AUTHORITY OF LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, UM, THAT GOVERN THEIR JURISDICTION.
UM, WE'VE BEEN, UH, WORKING ON, UH, UH, AGAINST A LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, DEALING WITH HOW CITIES, UM, DETERMINE THEIR ZONING POLICIES AND SPECIFICALLY, UM, CITIES ALLOW TRYING TO DISALLOW CITIES FROM USING, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AS A PART OF THEIR ZONING DECISIONS.
SO, UM, WE'VE TAKEN A NUMBER OF MEETINGS ON THESE BILLS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, PUSHED BY, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT HOMEOWNER OR HOME BUILDER GROUPS.
UM, WE ALSO PARTICIPATED IN AN INTERIM STUDY, UM, THIS PAST, UH, INTERIM OVER THIS BILL.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS, UH, BULLET POINT COMES FROM AND, UM, HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS BILL WILL PROBABLY COME BACK, UM, THIS SESSION AS WELL.
SO WE'LL BE CONTINUING TO, UH, WORK AGAINST THIS KIND OF POLICY AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE MOST, AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS THE LEGISLATURE WILL ALLOW ON, ON MAKING SOME OF THESE ZONING DECISIONS.
UM, ENSURE THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO ADDRESS GROWTH AND EXPAND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, UH, LEGISLATION INTRODUCED, UH, TO TRY TO CLAW BACK OR TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO, UH, USE, UH, TIFF DISTRICTS, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, UH, THESE POLICIES HAVE USUALLY BEEN, UH, DON'T GO ANYWHERE, USUALLY GET INTRODUCED, BUT DON'T GET A COMMITTEE HEARING OR THINGS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THIS BULLET ITEM ON THE AGENDA TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE SUPPORT THESE, UM, AND WANT CITIES TO HAVE AS MANY TOOLS AS THEY CAN, UM, TO, UH, INCENTIVIZE GROWTH, UH, AND DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, THIRD BULLET ITEM MONITORING, UH, THE SALES TAX AND IMPACTS OF SALES TAX AND USE TAX.
SO, UH, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE SAW THE LEGISLATURE PASS, UM, A, UH, PROPOSAL TO LOWER THE STATE PORTION OF THE GROCERY SALES TAX.
UM, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS, UM, IT NEVER MADE IT INTO BILL FORM, BUT THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON ALSO, UH, FREEZING CITY'S ABILITIES TO RAISE, UM, THEIR PORTION OF THE CITY SALES TAX.
SO, UM, WE ALWAYS WANT TO, UM, KEEP IT, UH, TOP OF MIND FOLKS THAT WE, WE WANT THE ABILITY AS A CITY TO, UH, DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST NUMBER FOR OUR CITY SALES TAX.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT BULLET ITEM IN THERE.
UM, AGAIN, THEY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PROPOSALS, UM, AS OF LATE TO TRY TO, UH, REIGN IN CITY'S ABILITIES TO, UM, DETERMINE WHAT THEIR BEST, UH, SALES TAX IS, BUT WANNA ALWAYS KEEP THOSE, UM, ITEMS IN THERE.
SO, UH, MOVING ON, UH, SUPPORTING EFFORTS TO FUND AND IMPROVE HIGHWAY AND REAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
OBVIOUSLY, EDMOND'S A PART OF THE, UM, REGIONAL TRANSIT AUTHORITY.
UM, SO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT, UM, LINE ITEM 'EM IN THERE.
AND WE'VE SEEN, UH, THE LEGISLATURE PASS A NUMBER OF BILLS, UM, TRYING TO HELP SUPPORT THESE EFFORTS.
SO WANT TO CONTINUE TO, UM, KEEP THIS AS A PART OF OUR AGENDA.
UM, OKAY, SO SUPPORT ROBUST FUNDING FOR SOME OF THESE.
THESE SECOND TWO ITEMS ARE KIND OF SELF-EVIDENT, UH, SUPPORTING FUNDING FOR ROAD AND BRIDGE PROJECTS.
OBVIOUSLY ON THE EIGHT YEAR PLAN, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF WORK ON I 35 AND, AND THERE WILL BE CONTINUED WORK ON THAT, SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE STAY ON TRACK.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY ARE BIG FANS OF THE EIGHT YEAR PLAN.
AND THEN, UM, THE SUPPORT AND FUNDING AND PARTNERSHIPS WIDEN ARTERIAL, UH, AND CONNECTOR ROADS.
UM, I THINK ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH ODOT ON, ON THE BROADWAY EXTENSION PROJECT, SO WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP, KEEP THOSE TOP OF MIND, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE STATE DOES THEIR, UH, WHAT, WHAT THEY NEED TO DO BEFORE ANY KIND OF HANDOFF OF CONTROL OF THAT ROAD HAPPENS.
SO, UM, SO MOVING ON, UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, MONITOR AND OPPOSE LEGISLATION AND PREVENTS THE ACQUISITION OF LOW COSTS ELECTRICITY TRANSMISSION.
SO, UM, A FEW YEARS AGO WE SAW, UM, OKLAHOMA'S, UH, LARGE INCUMBENT UTILITIES BRING FORTH LEGISLATION, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR EDMOND'S SAKE.
UH, THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT, UM, EASIER FOR THEM TO ACQUIRE, UM, HIGH POWER TRANSMISSION LINES.
SO IT'S A POLICY, UM, THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE THIS ABILITY, IT'S CALLED RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL FOR, UM, THE ACQUISITION OF THESE TRANSMISSION LINES.
THEY HAVE IT FOR LOWER ELECTRICITY TRANSMISSION LINES, BUT THEY WANTED IT FOR, UM, UH, THE HIGH POWERED TRANSMISSION LINES,
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UM, AS WELL.AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, EDMOND OR EDMOND ELECTRIC OPPOSED, AS WELL AS THE MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC AUTHORITY.
SO, UM, WE'VE NOT HEARD THIS POLICY COMING BACK, BUT WE WE'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT IT WON'T, WON'T, BECAUSE THE UTILITIES HAVE STILL NOT, UM, GOTTEN THEIR BILL PASSED THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE ROW FOR AUTHORITY.
SO WE, WE WANTED TO KEEP THIS ON THERE AS KIND OF A DEFENSIVE, UH, MOVE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS POLICY.
SO, UM, UH, THE COMMON TRENCHING ONE, I THINK THAT'S, UH, SELF EVIDENT.
SO IF WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THERE, BUT, UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FUNDING FOR FINANCING PROGRAMS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER.
WE'VE BEEN THE RECIPIENTS OF A NUMBER OF THOSE, UM, LOANS AND APPRECIATE THE STATE'S SUPPORT FOR OUR, UH, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO, UM, ALWAYS WANNA KEEP THOSE, UM, TOP OF MIND.
SO, UM, SUPPORTING LEGISLATION, ALLOWING MUNICIPALITIES PROHIBIT OPEN CARRY AND PUBLIC PARKS.
UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF GUN RIGHT GROUPS THAT HAVE, UM, SUPPORTERS IN THE LEGISLATURE, UM, AND ALWAYS HAVE, UH, NEW IDEAS AS TO HOW TO EXPAND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, OPEN CARRY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO BASED OFF EDMOND'S, UH, PAST HISTORY WITH, UH, CERTAIN EVENTS LIKE THIS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS, UM, UH, UNDERSTAND WHERE WE STAND ON THIS ISSUE.
SO, MR. WRIGHT, YOU'RE YES, SIR.
YOU'RE GETTING SOFTER AND SOFTER, RIGHT? SORRY, SORRY.
UM, UH, SUPPORT EFFORTS FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORMS AND PROTEST PUBLIC OR AND PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY, COURAGE, USE OF TREATMENT PROGRAMS. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE STATE'S PUT FORTH THE NUMBER OF FUNDING, UH, PROPOSALS FOR, UH, TREATMENT PROGRAMS AND, AND TRYING TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF BEDS, UH, ALLOTTED FOR, UM, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, TREATMENT FACILITIES AND HELPING SUPPORT FOR, UH, DRUG REHAB PROGRAMS AND THINGS.
SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THOSE EFFORTS.
UM, 'CAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY AFFECTS EDMOND CITIZENS AS WELL.
UM, THEN, UM, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THAT, THAT COVERS THAT.
WE'VE BEEN THE REP RECIPIENT OF THOSE FUNDS, SO WE, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT BOARD.
UM, THIS NEW ITEM ON THE VERY END HERE, SO REQUIRE PARITY FOR SHORT TERM HOME RENTAL PLATFORMS WITH HOTELS AND MOTELS.
UM, THIS WAS A CITIZEN, UH, BROUGHT FORTH AN ISSUE RELATED TO, UM, AIRBNB RENTALS.
UM, AND APPARENTLY THE PLATFORMS, UM, BLOCKING THEIR ABILITY TO COLLECT IDS FOR, UH, POTENTIAL RENTERS.
UM, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, A CITIZEN, ALONG WITH, UH, ONE OF OUR STATE SENATORS AND OUR DELEGATION BROUGHT THIS BILL IDEA FORWARD, AND WE, UM, SUPPORT THIS MEASURE FOR OBVIOUS USE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS.
UM, I, I THINK A LOT OF THESE AIRBNB, UH, RENTAL HOMES AND THINGS HAVE BEEN USED FOR, UM, ILLICIT ACTIVITIES, UH, DRUG TRAFFICKING AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING ACTIVITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, WE'RE NOT SURE IF THIS BILL CAN GET PASSED, MAYBE THIS SESSION, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO SUPPORT USING OUR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS TEAM AND OTHERS TO, UH, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME KIND OF SOLUTION COMES TO WHERE, UM, RENTER HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE USING THESE AIRBNB PLATFORMS AND THINGS, KNOW, KNOW WHO'S RENTING FROM THEM.
SO, UM, MOVING ON, UH, OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT UCOS LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES, UM, SUPPORTING REFORMS FOR, UH, OKLAHOMA'S LAWS REGARDING PUBLISHING AND LEGAL NOTICES.
SO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE STAYING UP TO DATE AND MODERN, UM, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO, UM, PUBLISH OUR LEGAL NOTICES AND THINGS, BUT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN A WAY THAT'S EFFECTIVE AND, AND, AND LOW COST.
WHAT DOES THAT PERTAIN TO? SO, UM, THERE'S BEEN PROPOSALS, UM, OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS OF TRYING TO UPDATE, UM, THE, NOT, I WOULDN'T SAY LIMIT, BUT CHANGING THE, THE NOTICES IN NEWS LOCAL NEWSPAPERS AND, AND, AND THOSE KIND OF PERIODICALS, UM, AND TRYING TO OPEN IT UP TO, UH, ONLINE NOTICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
NOW, UH, THE, UH, NEWSPAPERS HAVE, UH, LOBBYING, UH, REPRESENTATION AT THE CAPITOL AS WELL.
UM, SO SOMETIMES THOSE EFFORTS GET, UM, BLOCKED, UM, BY THEIR LOBBYING EFFORTS.
BUT, UM, WE WANT, WE WANT TO JUST SUPPORT COMMON SENSE, UM, OPEN RECORDS THAT ARE COMMON SENSE, UH, PUBLISHING A LEGAL NOTICE PROPOSALS.
SO WE HAVEN'T C HASN'T PUT FORTH ANY BILLS, UH, SPECIFICALLY FROM US, BUT SUPPORT THOSE EFFORTS IN THE PAST.
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SO, UM, AND THEN, UH, FINAL, FINAL BULLET POINT, SUPPORTING THE EXPANSION OF QUALITY EVENTS ACT.UM, ENSURE CONTINUED ECONOMIC GROWTH, UM, IN, IN ANTICIPATION OF THE, UH, SENIOR US OPEN HERE IN A NU NUMBER OF YEARS WE'VE BEEN IN DIALOGUE WITH THE STATE AND TRYING TO WORK ON, UM, HOW TO BEST USE THIS QUALITY EVENTS, UH, PROGRAM AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE APPLICATIONS ARE STREAMLINED AND, AND EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE AS THAT.
AND THEN ALSO IF THERE'S ANY, ANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING, UM, THAT COULD BE PUT FORTH THROUGH THAT PROGRAM WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
SO, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I DON'T THINK HE'S DONE.
I, I, I HESITATE TO, UH, TO PICK AT IT.
SOMEBODY TOLD ME ONCE, THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD IS TAKE SOMEBODY ELSE'S WORK AND WORDSMITH IT TO DEATH.
BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS I WANT US TO TRY TO BE, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, WE ADD SOME OBJECTIVES TO IT OR SOME KPIS, SOME MEASUREMENTS.
I MEAN, TO SAY SOMETHING, NOBODY'S GONNA DISAGREE FOR SURE, BUT ENSURE MUNICIPALITIES CONTINUE TO HAVE TOOLS NECESSARY TO ADDRESS GROWTH AND EXPANDED DEVELOPMENT.
HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT? WE'VE DONE THAT.
HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT WE'RE SUCCESSFUL? YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL? I THINK THAT'S WHAT HELPS DRIVE US TO SPECIFIC LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'D BE MY ONLY COMMENT.
THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN HERE THAT ARE JUST LIKE, THAT SAYS SO MUCH, IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF KIND OF DEAL, SO, YEP.
IF YOU COULD ADD, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ADD IT TO THE, THE OFFICIAL CITY LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, BUT I WOULD LIKE A REPORT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SESSION.
UH, AND THEN AFTER EACH DEADLINE WHERE WE ARE ON PERMANENT FOOD TRUCKS, IF YOU CAN LOOK, KEEP AN EYE ON THAT.
YOU, WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH WHERE THOSE EFFORTS ARE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE AT LEAST LISTENING FOR IS IF THERE'S ANY EFFORT IN THE LEGISLATURE TO TRY TO PREEMPT THAT STATE QUESTION ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES.
IF THAT POPS UP IN A BILL SOMEWHERE TO TRY TO OUTPACE THE QUESTION, WE SURE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE, UM, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WERE TO PASS, HOW DO WE FUND EDUCATION? OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I SAID A COUPLE, YOU ANSWERED A LOT OF 'EM ALREADY.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER INTERIM STUDIES OR PENDING BILLS THAT WE SHOULD KNOW? I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW HERE, RIGHT? SO, UM, NOT WATCHING THE INTERIM STUDY LIST OR THE BILL DOCKET OR WHATEVER TO SEE WHAT'S COMING.
DOES THIS HIT ALL OF THEM, YOU THINK? OR, YEAH.
UM, INTERIM STUDIES, NO, BUT, UM, WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF BILL FILING, UH, RIGHT NOW, SO, UM, EVERY DAY WE'RE GETTING NEW, A NEW, OUR TRACKING LIST IS GETTING NEW, A NEW REPORTS ON, ON WHAT BILLS ARE BEING FILED, SO.
UM, YOU KNOW, SESSION STARTS FEBRUARY 2ND, SO WE'RE GONNA KNOW, UM, HERE FAIRLY, UH, FAIRLY QUICKLY WHAT ALL THE BILL IDEAS ARE OKAY.
IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER STUDIES OF INTEREST IN THE OFF SEASON.
I MIGHT JUST ASK YOU IN CASE YOU MAYBE AJ TO LOOK THROUGH THOSE AND LET US KNOW, MAYBE FORWARD 'EM TO US IF THEY'RE INTERESTING FROM A CITY STANDPOINT.
AND THEN I'M A ROOKIE ON THIS MY FIRST TIME THROUGH IT, BUT DO WE GET FEEDBACK THROUGH THE YEAR? I KNOW AT THE END OF LAST SESSION, I THINK YOU, YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN GONE THEN, BUT CASEY KINDA GAVE US AN UPDATE.
MAYBE WHAT YOU SAID, UM, MARY WILL ANSWER MY QUESTION, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE AS THINGS PROGRESS, SOME LEVEL OF INSIGHTS IS USEFUL.
IS THAT KINDA WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT? YEP.
YEAH, OUR, OUR NORMAL CADENCE IS THE PRE-SESSION AND, UH, POST-SESSION.
SO USUALLY SOMETIME IN THE SUMMER, UH, WE'LL COME IN AND DO ONE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO DO MORE.
PROBABLY DEPENDS ON HOW THINGS GO.
AND IF THE HOT BUTTON ISSUE, LIKE THAT ONE THE MAYOR MENTIONED COMES UP, THEN YOU KNOW, WE MAY NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT IN BETWEEN.
AND THEN JUST CURIOUS, LIKE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU ENGAGE AND THEN OUR DE OUR DELEGATION FOR EDMOND, UM, YOU GUYS WORK TOGETHER OR IS IT KIND OF INDEPENDENT IN TERMS OF PRIORITIES? I KNOW THE CHAMBER COORDINATES SOME OF THAT TOO, BUT YEAH, I, I WE'RE, WE DIALOGUE DIRECTLY WITH OUR, OUR DELEGATION ON WHAT, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND WORK VERY WELL WITH THEM.
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WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE AS A CITY THAT, THAT OUR DELEGATION IS ALL, UM, ON THE SAME PAGE MM-HMMUM, AND ARE, ARE ALL VERY ALIGNED MM-HMM
IN, IN HOW THEY, UH, WORK ON ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US AT THE CAPITOL.
SO, UM, AND, AND WE'RE VERY, VERY LUCKY TO, UH, AS A CITY FOR SOME OF THE LEADERSHIP POSITIONS THAT ARE, UM, DELEGATION OCCUPIES YEP.
SO YEAH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, CASEY, YOU WANNA WRAP THIS UP? YES, SIR.
SO, JUST A FEW OTHER THINGS, UM, THAT, THAT ARE GOING ON.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WORKING WITH STATE AGENCIES ON PARTNERSHIPS FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE PROJECTS.
YOU HEARD BROOKS MENTION, UH, OUR CORRIDOR STUDY ALONG BROADWAY.
AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE, OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF YOU, HOW, HOW CAN WE FIND POTENTIALLY STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDING, UH, RELATED TO COVE AND COLTRANE? THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING PRETTY CLOSELY AT.
UM, WORKING WITH FEDERAL ELECTED OFFICIALS TO SECURE COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING.
WE'VE BEEN VERY, UH, SUCCESSFUL IN THAT PREVIOUS YEARS.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY, WE HAVE TWO ASKS IN THIS YEAR, UM, AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT BUDGET PROCESS RIGHT NOW, ONE FIVE, AN ADDITIONAL $5 MILLION FOR OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT PROJECT.
UM, THAT ONE IS ACTUALLY IN, IN, UH, COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW AND PROGRESSING.
AND THEN PROBABLY SOME TIME HERE TOWARDS THE END OF THIS MONTH, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 4 MILLION, UH, ASK IN, UH, RELATED TO ELECTRIC SUBSTATION WORKS.
SO HOPING, UH, THAT THOSE BOTH COME THROUGH AND, AND BRING $9 MILLION BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY FOR PROJECTS THAT HELP HELP OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, AS BROOKS MENTIONED, AND I, I, HE'S GONNA BE VERY, UM, HE'S GONNA BE VERY HUMBLE, BUT THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH OUR LOCAL DELEGATION AND, AND WORK AND WE ALL WORK REALLY CLOSE WITH HIM, AND WE DO HAVE A REALLY GOOD DELEGATION.
AND SO, UH, CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
UH, WE'RE MEETING REGULARLY WITH, UH, WITH OUR, UH, MILES DAVIDSON AND HIS STAFF AT THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE STILL ACTIVELY ENGAGED, UH, WHEN WITH RTA ACTIVITIES AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE, I'VE GOT ALL THESE NOTES HERE, SO WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF GO IN AND ADDRESS IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS, IF YOU'LL SEND THOSE TO ME, UM, IN, IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS OR SO.
UM, ANYTHING THAT, THAT MAYBE YOU DIDN'T THINK OF NOW WE WANNA MAKE SURE AND TRY TO CAPTURE THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL BRING BACK A FINAL AGENDA FOR YOU ALL TO APPROVE ON THE 26TH.
[G. Consideration of Approval of the Amended and Restated Development and Financing Assistance Agreement with 103 Broadway, LLC, to Induce and Support a Mixed-Use Development at the Northwest Corner of Broadway and Hurd in Downtown Edmond to Provide for Assistance in Development Financing to 103 Broadway, LLC; Amount Not to Exceed $2,594,157.00. (Ward 1)]
MOVING ON TO ITEM 10 G, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED AND RESTATED DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCING ASSISTANCE AGREEMENT WITH 1 0 3 BROADWAY LLC TO INDUCE IN SUPPORT OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BROADWAY AND HERD IN DOWNTOWN EDMOND TO PROVIDE FOR ASSISTANCE IN DEVELOPMENT FINANCING TO 1 0 3 BROADWAY, LLC AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,594,157.WE'VE ALREADY HAD QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATION ON THIS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS MEETING.
DO WE NEED TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? UM, DO WE NEED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS? HAVE ANYONE FROM STAFF FILL IN ANY HOLES? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
SEEING NONE, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. MAYOR, I, I KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? YES, I WOULD.
BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, COULD WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND RETURN AT 6 55 PLEASE? I HAVE A MOTION.
SECOND AND A SECOND CAST TO VOTE.
[A. Vista Lane Trail Project:]
11 A VISTA LANE TRAIL PROJECT.THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO ITEMS HERE.
I'LL READ 'EM BOTH AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF HANDLE 'EM TOGETHER AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO FROM THERE.
UH, ONE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION FROM 2017 CIP FUND RESERVES TO THE 2017 CIP VISTA LANE TRAIL BUDGET IN THE AMOUNT OF $80,000.
ITEM TWO, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF PAYMENT OF INVOICE FROM THE OKLAHOMA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR TRANSPORTATION, ALTERNATE SET ASIDE PROGRAM FUNDING FOR EDMOND TRAIL ALONG VISTA LANE FROM STATE HIGHWAY 66 SECOND STREET TO FER PARK IN THE AMOUNT OF $80,000.
UH, I'M ASSUMING WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM STAFF TO ADDRESS THIS FOR US.
CHRISTIE BATTERSON, DIRECTOR OF HOUSING COMMUNITY RESOURCES.
MY TEAM OVERSEE GRANT ADMINISTRATION.
THE TWO ITEMS IN FRONT OF YOU IS BASICALLY OUR REQUIREMENT THAT WE SAID WE WOULD OBLIGATE TO ODOT.
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UM, THE PROJECT'S ALMOST READY TO LET AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO GIVE OUR PORTION TO THEM BEFORE THEY CAN LET THE PROJECT.UM, AND IT, UM, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? HELP ME OUT HERE.
CHRISTIE, WHERE EXACTLY IS THIS PIECE? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT PIECE OF THE TRAILS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UM, WE ARE IN YOUR PACKET SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MAP, UM, THAT WAS INCLUDED, BUT IT IS FROM SECOND STREET, UH, SOUTH TO FER PARK.
SO ALONG, UM, PART OF THE TRAIL IS KIND OF ALONG THE SIDEWALK THERE.
UM, GOING UP TO FER, UM, WE'RE REQUIRING SOME RIGHT OF WAY, UM, TOWARDS FER PARK AND THEN IT'LL CONNECT INTO FER PARK.
UM, IT ALSO, UM, WE HAVE A FUTURE GRANT THAT WE WERE AWARDED FOR A CONNECTION FROM SECOND TO NORTH UP TO KICKING BIRD.
SO THAT KIND OF CONNECTS ALL OF THIS, BUT THIS IS THAT SOUTHERN PART.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEN NONE.
WHAT WOULD LIKE TO DO? MOTION TO APPROVE 11 A.
I HAVE A MOTION IS SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
MOTION TO APPROVE 11 A TWO SECOND.
I HAVE MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[B. Oklahoma 911 Management Authority Grant:]
ITEM 11 B OKLAHOMA 9 1 1 MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY GRANT.UM, PART ONE, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL FROM OF AN OKLAHOMA 9 1 1 MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY GRANT.
AWARD AGREEMENT, INCLUDING TOTAL PROJECT COST OF $125,380, $100,304 WILL BE PROVIDED BY GRANT AND $25,076 REQUIRED AS THE CITY MATCH.
PART TWO IS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION.
RECORDING GRANT REVENUE FROM THE OKLAHOMA 9 1 1 MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY GRANT AWARD, AN INCREASING 9 1 1 DISPATCH BUDGET BY SET AMOUNT, $125,380.
MR. MCCURY, DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
SO I, I'VE TALKED TO YOU A LOT ABOUT HOW SECONDS SAVE LIVES IN OUR WORLD.
UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS PROJECT IS BASICALLY BUYING A, UH, HUB AND SPOKE THING.
SO IT'S GONNA ALLOW OKLAHOMA CITY'S CAD SYSTEM TO TALK TO OUR SYSTEM.
IN THE PAST, WE WOULD DO ONE-OFF INTERFACES BETWEEN US AND THAT OTHER PROVIDER.
WHAT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO IS BUY OUR PIECE TO THE HUB AND THEN OUR SUBSCRIPTION TO THE HUB.
AND THEN WE ARE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER, UH, REGIONAL PARTNERS AROUND US THAT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO SHARE DATA BACK AND FORTH.
SO, UH, IF THERE'S A FIRE RIGHT ON A JURISDICTION LINE, WE CAN GET THAT INFO AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, SEND IT TO OKLAHOMA CITY SO THEY'RE DISPATCHING FIRE TRUCKS AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE.
AND SO IT'LL HELP A LOT OF OUR AUTOMATIC AID.
UH, WHEN WE FOUND OUT THE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY WAS OFFERING A GRANT FOR IT, WE WENT TO THEM AND ASKED FOR, UH, THE GRANT.
AND SO THEY, UH, AWARDED US A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TOWARDS THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS IS JUST ACCEPTING THE GRANT AND THEN, UH, ALLOWING THE MONEY TO GO INTO THE FUNDS.
QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS JUST TO COMMENT, MR. CURRY, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU.
I MEAN, YOUR DEPARTMENT IS EXCELLENT AND PROBABLY GREATLY UNDER APPRECIATED BY ALL OF US.
YOU GOT THE RECOGNITION LAST WEEK FROM NINE 11 MANAGEMENT, AND I THINK I SAW SOMETHING TODAY THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA FROM MONTH OF DECEMBER OVER 9,600 CALLS.
I MEAN, IIII APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THOSE OUT THERE, BUT I MEAN, WE NEED TO RAISE THAT AWARENESS OF, OF, OF THAT SERVICE AND ALL THAT YOU GUYS DO, SO THANK YOU.
AND WE, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO RESPOND TO, TO YOU ALL'S DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, TO PUT MORE NUMBERS OUT THERE TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE'RE DOING.
SO, UM, VERY MUCH JUST TRYING TO THAT AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS I WANT.
I WANT TO THANK YOU AND STAFF, AND THAT INCLUDES FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL ON OUR EFFORTS TO CONTINUALLY EXPAND OUR AUTO AID AGREEMENTS WITH SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
UM, THAT IS SO CRITICAL ON OUR BORDERS TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND THE WAY WE DO WHEN WE DO.
UM, IT'S A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION THAN MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS.
SO I APPRECIATE ALL THAT WORK.
I, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE
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TWO ITEMS HERE.MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM B ONE, MAYOR, SECOND MAYOR, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[C. Case No. ES25-00005; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of Ordinance No. ___ Closing a Utility Easement, Generally Located at 5908 Calcutta Lane; Providing for Repealer and Severability; and Providing an Effective Date. (Christopher Rodriguez; Ward 4)]
ON TO 11 C.CASE NUMBER ES 2 5 0 0 0 0 5 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4 0 6 6 CLOSING UTILITY EASEMENT GENERALLY LOCATED AT 59 0 8 CALCUTTA LANE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
MR. BRYAN, MAYOR AND COUNSEL KEN BRYAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS CASE IS LOCATED NORTH OF SORGHUM MILL AND EAST OF SANTA FE.
THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION IN THE REAR YARD OF 59 0 8 CALCUTTA.
EDMOND ELECTRIC DOES NOT HAVE FACILITIES LOCATED IN THIS EASEMENT.
THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE EASEMENT CLOSING AND NO OBJECTIONS WERE RECEIVED FROM FRANCHISE UTILITIES AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2025.
PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
SO WE'RE CLOSING THAT EASEMENT AND I, IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT THE GREEN ON EITHER SIDE OF IT IS STILL EASEMENT? UH, YEAH, WE HAVE A, NO, I'M SORRY.
NO, WHAT'S, I MEAN, YOU'RE SHOWING THE UTILITY EASEMENT AND IT'S JUST ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY MAXIMUM SWIM TECH.
THAT EASEMENT'S ALREADY BEEN CLOSED.
UM, YEAH, THE, SO THE, THE CASE IS OBVIOUSLY JUST FOR THE, THE EASEMENT THAT WE'RE SHOWING AND THE, UH, APPARENTLY THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE SAYS THE ONE TO THE SOUTH IS CLOSED AS WELL.
I I IMAGINE IT'S JUST A, A MATTER OF THE MAP NOT BEING UPDATED.
WHAT WE'VE GOT IS WE'VE JUST GOT, WE'VE GOT THE UTILITY EASEMENTS IN THERE AND IT'S NOT BEING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BEING USED, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO WE'RE TAKING THIS ONE OUTTA PLAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? OH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WANT TO, UH, ADDRESS THIS ISSUE TONIGHT? SEEING NONE.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? MOVE TO APPROVE MR. MAYOR.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[D. Case No. SP23-00003; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of an Extension of a Site Plan for 103 N Broadway, Located on the Northwest Corner of Hurd and Broadway. (103 Broadway LLC; Ward 1)]
ONTO 11 D.CASE NUMBER SP TWO THREE DASH 0 0 0 3 PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF AN EXTENSION OF A SITE PLAN FOR 1 0 3 BROADWAY, LOCATED NORTHWEST CORNER OF HERD AND BROADWAY.
KEN BRIAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
THIS ITEM IS BEING HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT IS INSIDE THE CENTRAL URBAN CENTRAL EDMOND URBAN DISTRICT.
THIS REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION OF A SITE PLAN WAS INITIALLY APPROVED IN AUGUST OF 2023.
NO CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE EXTENSION.
AS A QUICK REMINDER, THE SITE PLAN INCLUDES THESE DETAILS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BROADWAY AND HERD.
THE APPROVED SITE PLAN INCLUDES NINE BUILDINGS FEATURING A MIX OF USES AND CONSTRUCTION OF STREETSCAPE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HERD.
AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 9TH, 2025, THE CENTRAL EDMOND URBAN DISTRICT BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? SEEN NONE.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? I MOVE TO APPROVE.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[E. Case No. SP25-00002l; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Site Plan for 26 W Hurd Shell, located West of Broadway, on the South Side of W Hurd Street to also include Consideration of Approval of a Variance to Section 22.6.4(J)(3) of Title 22, Zoning Ordinance of the Edmond Municipal Code, to Eliminate the Requirement to Construct a 12-foot Sidewalk Along the Property Frontage. (Elliott Architects; Ward 1)]
ITEM 11 E.CASE NUMBER S SP TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 0 2 1.
PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR 26 WEST HERD SHELL LOCATED WEST OF BROADWAY ON SOUTH SIDE OF WEST HERD STREET TO ALSO INCLUDE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO SECTION 22.6 0.4 J THREE OF TITLE 22 ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE EDMUND MUNICIPAL CODE TO ELIMINATE
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THE REQUIREMENT TO CONSTRUCT A 12 FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG THE PROPERTY.KEN BRIAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
THIS ITEM IS BEING HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT IS INSIDE THE CENTRAL EDMOND URBAN DISTRICT.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS SITE PLAN IS APPROXIMATELY 5,200 SQUARE FEET.
THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HERD HALFWAY BETWEEN BROADWAY AND THE BNSF RAILROAD.
THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WOULD ALLOW THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE INTO A COMMERCIAL USE THAT ACCOMMODATES FOOD PREPARATION AND SALES.
DUE TO OTHER STREET SCAPE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SIDEWALK PROJECTS BEING DESIGNED IN THE AREA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE REQUIREMENT TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK AT THE SAME TIME AS THE OTHER BUILDING AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND RENOVATIONS IN THIS AREA.
THE INTENT IS TO CONSTRUCT THIS PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK AT A LATER DATE, EITHER IN CONJUNCTION WITH UPCOMING PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS OR AS A STANDALONE PROJECT.
FIRST ONE ON THE VARIANCE AND THEN ON THE SITE PLAN.
AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 9TH, 2025, THE CENTRAL EDMOND URBAN DISTRICT BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE BY A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO AND THEN RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN BY A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? MM-HMM
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? WELL, ONLY, ONLY, UH, MY NAME'S ROB ELLIOTT.
ELLIOTT ARCHITECTS, UH, COUNSEL ONLY TO ADD THAT, UH, THIS IS A, A SMALL SITE PLAN REQUEST, UH, APPROVAL REQUEST FOR A BUILDING THAT'S HAD A WONDERFUL LIFE AS A RESIDENCE IN EDMOND IS NOW READY FOR A WONDERFUL LIFE AS A BUSINESS.
ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A WONDERFUL LIFE.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? WE HAVE TWO ISSUES HERE.
FIRST, WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON A VARIANCE MOVE APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE IN ITEM 11 E.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
NOW WE NEED A MOTION ON APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN.
SECOND, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[F. Case No. DD24-00008; Consideration of a Deed Certification for Caspian Lakes, Located on the North Side of East 33rd Street, East of Post Road. (Caspian Lakes, LLC; Ward 2) Said Consideration to Include Consideration of Approval of the Following Variances to Title 21, Subdivisions, of the Edmond Municipal Code for the Aforementioned Deed Certification. A Variance to Section 21.03.070, "Water Lines" of the Edmond Municipal Code to Eliminate the Requirement to Connect to the City Water Supply if it is Located in the Right-Of-Way of a Street within One-Fourth Mile (1,320 feet) in Any Direction; and A Variance to Section 21.03.080, "Water Lines in Residential Acreage Subdivisions" of the Edmond Municipal Code to Eliminate the Requirement to Connect to the City Water Supply if it is Located in the Right-Of-Way of a Street Within One-Fourth Mile (1,320 feet) in Any Direction.]
F CASE NUMBER DD TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 0 8 CONSIDERATION OF A DEED CERTIFICATION FOR CASPIAN LAKES LOCATED ON NORTH SIDE OF EAST 33RD STREET, EAST OF POST ROAD CASPIAN LAKES.LLC IN WARD TWO SAID CONSIDERATION TO INCLUDE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING VARIANCES TO TITLE 21.
SUBDIVISIONS OF THE EDMOND MUNICIPAL CODE FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED DEED CERTIFICATION.
A VARIANCE TO SECTION 21.0 3.070 WATER LINES OF THE EDMOND MUNICIPAL CODE TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT TO CONNECT THE CITY WATER SUPPLY IF IS LOCATED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF A STREET WITHIN ONE FOURTH MILE IN ANY DIRECTION.
AND NUMBER TWO, A VARIANCE TO SECTION 21.0 3.080 WATER LINES AND RESIDENTIAL ACREAGE SUBDIVISIONS OF THE EDMOND MUNICIPAL CODE TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT TO CONNECT TO THE CITY WATER SUPPLY IF IT IS LOCATED IN THE RIGHT WAVE OF THE STREET WITHIN ONE FOURTH MILE.
AND ANY DIRECTION IS THE APPLICANT HERE.
UH, THIS ITEM IS BEING HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE FINAL ACTION IS REQUIRED ON THE TWO REQUESTED VARIANCES.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A TOTAL OF 15.9 ACRES.
THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 33RD, ALMOST THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE EAST OF POST.
THE SIX PROPOSED LOTS RANGE IN SIZE FROM A LITTLE MORE THAN TWO ACRES TO THREE AND A HALF ACRES IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT AS PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A VARIANCE OF TITLE 23 TO ALLOW FEE IN LIEU OF DETENTION WAS APPROVED IN NOVEMBER OF 2025.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TWO VARIANCES TO THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR CONNECTING TO THE PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM WHEN BUILT, WHEN A BUILDING IS CONSTRUCTED WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF AN EXISTING PUBLIC WATER LINE, THREE VOTES ARE REQUIRED FOR THIS ITEM, THE TWO VARIANCES, AND THEN THE ITEM ITSELF AT PLANNING COMMISSION'S REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2025.
MOTIONS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCES FAILED BY A VOTE OF ONE IN FAVOR AND THREE AGAINST PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE DEED CERTIFICATION BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? GREG MASSEY WITH RED PLAINS PROFESSIONAL? UM, YES, MR. BRYANT DID OUTLINE THAT THE LOT SPLITS WERE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY, UH, TO CONVERT
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THREE FIVE ACRE TRACKS INTO SIX TWO PLUS ACRE TRACKS.UM, THE, MY CLIENT, UH, IN DOING THIS, UH, LOT SPLIT REQUEST, UH, IS PRIMARILY FOR FAMILY AND CLOSE FAMILY FRIENDS.
UH, AGAIN, THE TOTAL INCREASE IN LOTS IS THREE.
WE'RE INCREASING THE TOTAL DENSITY BY THREE LOTS THAT ARE ALL IN EXCESS OF TWO ACRES.
THE EXISTING WATERLINE THAT THE CITY IS REQUIRING THAT WE EXTEND, UM, IS LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE RIDGE AT CHITWOOD.
UM, THE CITY DID NOT REQUIRE THAT THE DEVELOPER EXTEND THAT PUBLIC WATER LINE EAST TO THEIR EAST PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THE THREE FIVE ACRE TRACKS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, UM, ONE OF THOSE ALREADY HAS, UH, A HOME THAT WAS PERMITTED AND CONSTRUCTED.
UM, ALL THREE OF THE FIVE ACRE TRACKS CURRENTLY HAVE WATER WELLS ON THOSE TRACKS SERVING THEM.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND THE JUSTIFICATION.
UH, WE DID HAVE SOME COST ESTIMATES PUT TOGETHER FOR THE EXTENSION, AND I KNOW THAT CAN'T BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, BUT TO EXTEND IT, THE ADDITIONAL 350 FEET TO THE EAST PROPERTY LINE OF THE RIDGE AT CHIP WOOD AND THEN ACROSS THE FIVE ACRE TRACK DIRECTLY WEST OF THIS SITE AND THEN NORTH TO SERVE THESE THREE TRACKS WAS IN EXCESS OF $300,000.
UM, NONE OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OR NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE LESS THAN TWO ACRE TRACKS, UH, YOU KNOW, WALK IN THE WOODS, UH, WHICH IS DIRECTLY EAST OF THIS LOCATION.
UM, WE'VE GOT OVER 30 LOTS THAT ARE TWO TO TWO AND A HALF ACRES ALL SERVED BY WELL.
UM, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SUBDIVISIONS TO THE NORTH, AND AS YOU CONTINUE GOING FURTHER EAST, THOSE ACREAGES GET LARGER.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BENEFIT IS OF HAVING THIS DEVELOPER EXTEND TO SERVE THREE LOTS, UH, IN EXCESS OF TWO ACRES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT WHEN EVERYTHING NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST, UM, ARE ALREADY SERVED OR IN EXCESS OF TWO TO TWO AND A HALF ACRE TRACKS.
UM, AND DIRECTLY SOUTH 33RD IS OKLAHOMA CITY LIMITS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE WILL NOT BE EXTENDING THE CITY OF EDMUND WATER SERVICES TO THE SOUTH.
AND IF THEY, IF THEY ARE, I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S JUSTIFIED THAT MY CLIENT PAY TO ALLOW OKLAHOMA CITY TO EXTEND ADMIN WATER.
SO WE'D ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
UM, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT A SIMILAR ISSUE AT OUR LAST MEETING.
UM, IF YOU HAVE TO EXTEND THAT WATERLINE OVER, YOU'RE LITERALLY CREATING A DEAD END.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO ADD TO THE WORK THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO, WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN HERE ON FIRE HYDRANTS AND OPEN 'EM UP PERIODICALLY TO FLUSH THE LINES.
UM, AS WELL AS HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU BALANCE THE PRESSURE? I, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT VERY AUTHORITATIVELY SINCE THAT IS WHAT I WENT THROUGH WHEN WE BUILT OUR HOUSE 25 YEARS AGO.
UM, LOGICALLY I I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD WANT TO FORCE THAT TO HAPPEN IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
SO, UM, ANY COMMENTS? IT'S A QUESTION.
TELL ME AGAIN WHY THIS IS A GOOD IDEA TO GRANT THESE VARIANCES.
WELL, AGAIN, IT IS A GOOD IDEA.
UM, AS MR. NASH JUST POINTED OUT, I DIDN'T GET INTO THE ENGINEERING ON IT, UM, BUT WE'D BE EXTENDING OVER 2000 FOOT DEAD END LINE.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENTS TO THE EAST THAT MIGHT BE SERVED IN THE FUTURE ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY DEVELOPED,
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UM, IN TWO TO TWO AND A HALF ACRE TRACKS, FIVE ACRE TRACKS, 10 ACRE TRACKS.AND UNLESS THE CITY IS PLANNING ON EXTENDING EAST AND THEN NORTH TO TIE BACK INTO LAKE AR OR TO, EXCUSE ME, THE TOWN OF ARCADIA, THERE'S NO WAY TO LOOP THIS SYSTEM.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO TIE IT INTO.
UM, AS MR. NASH POINTED OUT, THAT CREATES A BURDEN NOT ONLY ON THE DEVELOPER TO EXTEND, TO SERVE THREE LOTS.
AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THREE FIVE ACRE OF TRACKS THAT ARE SERVED WITH WELLS.
SO WE'RE ADDING THREE MORE LOTS AND TO HAVE TO EXTEND OVER 2000 FOOT OF LINE TO SERVE THREE LOTS THAT ARE DEAD END.
DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE THAT IT BENEFITS THE CITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? CAN WE HAVE STAFF RESPOND TO THE, UH, DEAD END LINE THING? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, CONSIDERING WE DID, WE DID JUST GO THROUGH A CASE ON THAT RECENTLY.
STEVE LAWRENCE, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.
UM, SO YES, DEAD END WATER LINES ARE A BAD THING.
UM, OCCASIONALLY WE DO HAVE THEM IN AREAS WHERE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO OCCUR IN THE FUTURE, WHERE IT'S OKAY FOR US TO HAVE A DEAD END LINE AND TO FLUSH IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A PUD WAS APPROVED RECENTLY, A MILE EAST OF HERE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT HOW THAT'S GONNA BE SERVED WITH WATER, UM, BOTH OFF 33RD AND 15TH STREET AND BE COMING THROUGH THIS DIRECTION.
UM, SO, UH, RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE A SHORT DEAD END LINE.
UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT YES, HAVING WATER IN, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE OUR LARGE PARCELS IS, UH, DIFFICULT AS WELL.
WE HAVE A HARD TIME ACTUALLY WITH CHIP WOOD FARMS KEEPING THE WATER, UH, FRESH AND, AND HIGH QUALITY BECAUSE OF, UH, LARGE LOTS AND, UH, LARGE WATER LINES GOING THROUGH THEM.
UH, THE OKLAHOMA CITY IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SELL THEM WATER DIRECTLY WEST OF THIS FOR THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S SOUTH AND WEST OF THIS.
UM, IF THEY DO ANY EXPANSION IN OKLAHOMA CITY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN TIE ONTO THEIR CURRENT SYSTEM.
UM, OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH OKLAHOMA CITY ABOUT THAT PORTION OF THEIR WATER SYSTEM SINCE THEY BUY WATER FROM US, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF EDMOND TO SELL DIRECTLY TO THEM AS A DIFFERENT TIER OF CUSTOMER.
UM, SO I I I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, YES, DEAD END LINES ARE A BAD THING.
IF WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A PERMANENTLY DEAD END LINE, UH, THEN IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT.
UM, IF IT'S HAS THE POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, THIS IS HOW OUR CITY GOT BUILT, RIGHT? THE CITY DIDN'T REALLY BUILD THE WATER LINES.
THEY BUILD WATER LINES, THEY BUILD THEM AND EXTEND 'EM TO THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY EXTEND 'EM ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY SO THAT THE NEXT DEVELOPER CAN CONNECT ON AND SO ON AND SO ON.
UM, AND SO YEAH, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.
SO, SO CLARIFY FOR ME, THE, WHETHER THERE IS DEVELOPABLE, DEVELOPABLE LAND IN LOTS, AS MR. MASSEY POINTED OUT, THERE REALLY IS NONE TO THE EAST NORTH OF, I MEAN, SO IS THERE, IS THERE NOT THERE IS DEVELOPMENTAL LAND TO THE EAST.
AND WE HAVE HAD A PUD COME THROUGH THAT IS HIGH DENSITY AND NEEDS WATER AND SANITARY SEWER SERVICES, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WITH THAT LAND DEVELOPER HOW TO GET THOSE TO THAT PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WALKING WOODS.
SO THAT'S ON A MILE EAST OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, WEST SIDE OF ANDERSON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ONE? SEEN, SEEING NONE, THIS WILL TAKE THREE VOTES.
PEOPLE, WE CAN START WITH 11 F THE FIRST VARIANCE, WHICH IS VARIANCE TO SECTION 21.0 3.070.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? SO MOVE MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A MOTION.
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CAST YOUR VOTE MOTION FAILS.VARIANCE TO SECTION 21.0 3.080.
SO MOVE MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A MOTION.
CAST YOUR VOTE THAT ALSO FAILS.
WE'RE BACK ON CASE NUMBER DD 2 4 0 0 0 CONSIDERATION OF A DEED CERTIFICATION FOR CASPIAN LAKES.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND CAST.
[G. Case No. SP24-00022; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Site Plan for Take 5 Oil Change Located at 1800 E 2nd Street to also include Consideration of a Variance to Section Title 21.02.030(A) of Title 21, Subdivisions of the Edmond Municipal Code, to Reduce the Right-Of-Way Dedication on 2nd Street from the Required 90-feet to 70-feet with an Adjacent 20-foot Utility Easement. (Altar Group PLLC; Ward 1)]
ITEM 11 G.CASE NUMBER SP TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 0 2 2.
PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN FOR TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE LOCATED AT 1800 E SECOND STREET TO ALSO INCLUDE CONSIDERATION OF A VARIANCE TO SECTION TITLE 21.0 2.030 A OF TITLE 21 SUBDIVISION OF THE EDMOND MUNICIPAL CODE TO REDUCE THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION ON SECOND STREET FROM THE REQUIRED 90 FEET TO 70 FEET WITH AN ADJACENT 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
THIS ITEM IS BEING HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT INCLUDES VARIANCES WHICH REQUIRE FINAL ACTION BY COUNSEL.
SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS SITE PLAN IS APPROXIMATELY 1.4 ACRES.
THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SECOND STREET, IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE BRYANT SQUARE COMMERCIAL CENTER.
THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DETAILS.
ONE BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 1700 SQUARE FEET.
ACCESS WILL BE FROM MODIFYING THE DRIVE ONTO SECOND.
SO IT ALIGNS WITH ROCKY ROAD ON THE NORTH AND BY REESTABLISHING THE CROSS ACCESS WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
ELEVATIONS SHOW THE BUILDING TO BE 16 FEET TALL AND THE FACADE WILL CONSIST OF RED AND TAN EFIS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY, DEDICATION STANDARDS BY DEDICATING 70 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY AND A 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED 90 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY.
FIRST ONE ON THE VARIANCE AND THEN ONE ON THE SITE.
PLAN AT THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2025, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE BY VOTE OF THREE TO ONE AND APPROVE THE SITE PLAN BY VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE ADD ANYTHING? GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL.
MY NAME IS BU I'M, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF, UH, ALTO GROUP, UH, THE APPLICANT FOR SB 2 4 0 0 24 22.
UM, JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IN OUR SITE IS VERY SMALL, SO THE VARIANCE IS VERY CRUCIAL FOR US AS IT ALLOW US TO, UM, MAINTAIN THE ASSISTING, UH, CROSS ACCESS AND ALSO, UH, ALLOW US TO, UH, PROVIDE ALL THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UM, SUCH AS PARKING AND LANDSCAPING.
ANY QUESTIONS? CAN STAFF EXPLAIN HOW DOING 70 FEET AND THEN A 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT MR. BRYAN, HOW, HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO WITH A 90 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY? UM, I I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY SIMILAR.
THE 70 FEET RIGHT OF WAY, UM, BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS WOULD ALLOW FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO SECOND STREET SHOULD THOSE BE, UM, REQUIRED.
AND THEN THE, THE 20 FOOT EASEMENT, UM, ALLOWS KIND OF A SHARED USE OF THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE NOT, THAT WON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T IMPEDE THE, THE OWNER'S ABILITY TO KIND OF DO THINGS ON THE SURFACE OF THAT PROPERTY LIKE SIGNAGE AND LANDSCAPING THAT KNOW THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF IT WAS RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT WE CAN STILL PUT UTILITIES AND ACCESS THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WOULD ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? SEEING NONE.
COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND VARIANCE? YES, WE DO HAVE A VARIANCE ON THIS ONE.
SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE VARIANCE TO SECTION TITLE 21.0 2.030 A OF TITLE 21 FIRST.
AND THAT'S YOUR SECOND? MM-HMM
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MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN.SECOND AND A SECOND, CAST YOUR VOTE.
[H. Case No. SP23-00036; Public Hearing and Consideration of an Appeal of a Planning Commission Decision for a Site Plan Application for Gardenia Apartments, Located on the North Side of Ayers Avenue, West of Bryant Avenue. (DAP Ventures, LLC; Ward 1) ]
ITEM 11 H.CASE NUMBER SP TWO THREE DASH 0 0 0 3 6.
PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN APPEAL OF A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION FOR A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR GARDENIA APARTMENTS LOCATED ON NORTH SIDE OF HES AVENUE WEST OF BRYANT AVENUE.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT MR. BRYAN? THANK YOU.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS SITE PLAN IS APPROXIMATELY 4.3 ACRES.
THE MAP SHOWS THE SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HES JUST EAST OF BLACK WELDER.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED TO ALLOW BOTH THE USE AND THE DENSITY BY RIGHT.
THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DETAILS, THREE BUILDINGS APPROXIMATELY 30,400 SQUARE FEET EACH WITH A TOTAL OF 69 DWELLING UNITS.
THE ELEVATION SHOW THE BUILDING TO BE JUST UNDER 35 FEET TALL AT THEIR HIGHEST POINT.
AND THE FACADE WILL CONSIST OF BRICK AND CEMENT BOARD.
REFINED ELEVATIONS SHOWING THESE FACADE MATERIALS WERE NOT AVAILABLE DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, BUT ARE AVAILABLE NOW.
IN ADDITION TO THE ADOPTED STANDARDS, THE SITE PLAN ALSO CONFORMS TO A WRITTEN COMMITMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER THAT THE DETENTION WILL BE LOCATED ON THE EAST OR WEST PORTION OF THE SITE DUMPSTER.
ENCLOSURES WILL BE LOCATED ON THE EAST OR WEST PORTION OF THE SITE.
ACCESS WILL ONLY BE TAKEN FROM HEIRS.
A 30 FOOT BUFFER WILL BE PROVIDED AT THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
AN EIGHT FOOT TALL MASONRY FENCE WILL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
ADDITIONAL TREES WILL BE PROVIDED ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE IN A MANNER TO ENSURE SUSTAINED SCREENING EXTERIOR MATERIALS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
NO HVAC FACILITIES WILL BE ALLOWED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING'S ABUTTING THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE SHOW A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET AT THE PLAIN COMMISSIONED PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2025.
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN FAILED BY A VOTE OF TWO IN FAVOR AND TWO AGAINST THE APPLICANT.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? SURE, BRIEFLY.
DAVID BOX 5 2 5 NORTHWEST 11TH STREET.
UM, THIS IS AN ITEM I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAGE, BUT I WAS INVOLVED IN BACK IN 2000, I GUESS 18, UH, WHEN, UH, THE REZONING WAS, UH, APPROVED.
AND AT THAT TIME THERE WERE SOME, UH, NEIGHBORS THAT WERE CONCERNED AND WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND AT THE TIME OF THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING THERE WERE, UH, CERTAIN COMMITMENTS THAT MY CLIENT WAS WILLING TO MAKE.
BUT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A-A-P-U-D AND IT WAS STRAIGHT ZONING, UH, MAYOR LAMB AT THE TIME, UH, REQUESTED THAT WE, UH, MAKE THOSE COMMITMENTS IN WRITING AND SUBMIT THEM TO STAFF.
I FOLLOWED UP WITH AT THE TIME YOUR PLANNING DIRECTOR WAS, UH, MR. ENTZ.
SO OCTOBER 5TH, 2018, I SUBMITTED A LETTER THAT REFLECTED THOSE 10 AGREEMENTS THAT MY CLIENT AT THE TIME, UH, HAD AGREED TO.
THE, UM, ENTITY THAT SEEKS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY NOW IS DIFFERENT FROM MY CLIENT BACK IN 2018.
BUT OF COURSE, THOSE COMMITMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY MY CLIENT RUN WITH THE LAND AND ARE, UM, ARE HAVE TO BE ADHERED TO BY MY NOW CLIENT.
HE STANDS COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT ALL THOSE COMMITMENTS, IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES, ARE ADHERED TO.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU, UH, BEFORE YOU, IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT COMPLIES NOT ONLY TO YOUR ZONING, BUT ALSO TO THE COMMITMENT LETTER THAT IS MORE STRICT AND PUTS MORE, UH, BURDENS ON MY CLIENT THAN OTHERWISE YOUR STRAIGHT ZONING WOULD REQUIRE.
SO WE HAVE A FULLY COMPLIANT SITE PLAN WITH BOTH YOUR ZONING AND THE COMMITMENT LETTER.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL QUESTIONS.
IT MAY, IT MAY TAKE MR. BRIAN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY I I COULDN'T FIND IN THE MATERIALS.
CAN I, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, THE, THE, THE HOME, THE FOUR OR FIVE HOMES THAT BACK UP TO THIS PROJECTED APPEAR TO BE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION.
IS THAT TRUE? AND IF SO, DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MUCH, UH, TO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOMES TO THE NORTH THERE? MM-HMM
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE A LOWER ELEVATION.
UM, THIS SIDE DOES SLOPE A LOT FROM THE, IT'S HIGHER ON THE WEST.
WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE AND, AND, UH, I IMAGINE WE'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT ABOUT DRAINAGE HERE SOON, SO THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT.
BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC ELEVATION.
UM, AT, AT THE TIME, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE HAVE TWO OF THESE PROVISIONS WAS TO DEAL WITH, UH, I GUESS THREE OF THE PROVISIONS WAS TO DEAL WITH THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY.
SO WE HAVE, UH, A 30 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH EXCEEDS WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY EXPECT TO SEE AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL, WHICH
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EXCEEDS WHAT YOU'D NORMALLY EXPECT TO SEE.AND IMPORTANTLY, PROVISION SIX IN THAT LETTER.
UH, WE REQUIRED TREES TO BE PLANTED AT EIGHT TO 12 FEET IN HEIGHT AT THE TIME OF PLANTING, AND A CALIPER RATING OF TWO AND A HALF TO THREE.
SO WE REQUIRED A, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO BE PLACED IN THAT NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE IN RECOGNITION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT EXISTED ON THE BOARD.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UM, I MAY HAVE QUESTIONS LATER, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM CITIZENS FIRST AND ANYBODY ELSE? CAN I, CAN I ASK ONE OF STAFF REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GET TO THAT? UH, MAYBE IT'S FOR KEN.
THERE WAS AN, THERE WAS AN ACTION ASSIGNED OR A QUESTION AT PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING VARIANCES FROM THE PRIOR APPLICATION THAT I THINK BECCA TOOK OR SOMEBODY.
DO YOU KNOW IF THAT WAS ANSWERED? UH, WERE THERE VARIANCES ON THIS IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION? NO, UH, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S NO VARIANCES FOR THIS ONE.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
SO AS YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING SOMEONE ELSE, PLEASE TRY NOT TO REPEAT COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE TO SPEED THIS UP.
UH, I WAS, MY HOME IS IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA FOR THE PRO PROJECT.
UH, WE'VE ATTENDED THE CITY PLANNING MEETING, WHICH OF DECEMBER THE SECOND AND EXPRESSED THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
WE'VE ALSO MET WITH CITY PLANNING OFFICE IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
IN THE INTERIM, WE REALIZED THAT ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE WORKPLACE HOUSING IS NEEDED IN EDMOND.
WE DO NOT OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT ONLY OBJECT TO THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION NOT BEING IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AGREEMENTS THAT WERE ARRIVED AT JOINTLY BETWEEN THE KINGSTON NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PREVIOUS APARTMENT PROJECT OWNERS SHAVER INVESTMENTS.
THIS WAS ACCOMPLISHED IN A COMMUNITY CONNECTION MEETINGS ON SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2018.
SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S THREE MAJOR ISSUES TO ADDRESS.
THE PREVIOUS APPROVED AGREEMENT IN 2018 INCLUDED THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE NUMBER OF OCCUPIED STORIES FOR THE PROJECT.
THOSE WERE 35 FEET TOTAL HEIGHT AND TWO STORIES.
ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS, NICOLE PETERSON, WILL BE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE IN LENGTH, IN DEPTH, EXCUSE ME.
THE NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE DEVELOPMENT SUFFERED SEVERE FLOODING ISSUES ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT YEARS AGO.
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT PROPER TENSION IS GIVEN TO THE PROPOSED STORM WATER DRAINS TO MINIMIZE THE CHANCE OF FUTURE WATER RUNOFF FROM THIS DEVELOPED PROPERTY AND FROM THE CHURCH TO THE WEST.
AND WE HOPE WILL NOT DUPLICATE THE FLOODING SITUATIONS THAT OCCURRED.
NEIGHBOR CHARLIE OWENS WILL BE ADDRESSING THIS FOR YOU.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE THAT THE NATIVE TREES THAT OCCUPY THE PROPOSED NORTHERN BORDER BE SAVED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN KINGSTON AND THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AREA ARE ON THE WESTERN BORDER OF THE CROSS TIMBERS BAND THAT CUTS THROUGH EDMOND WITH JUDICIOUS OVERSIGHT.
WE FEEL THAT MANY OF THE HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOMES CAN BE SAVED.
WE WOULD BE GLAD TO MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WALK THE PROPERTY TO IDENTIFY TREES THAT CAN BE SAVED.
WE KNOW THAT DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY IS INEVITABLE.
WE ONLY ASK THAT PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS ARE KEPT.
IF THIS SENSITIVE BORDER IS MAINTAINED AND WE CAN ALL BE GOOD NEIGHBORS IN THE FUTURE.
WOULD ANYBODY WHO IS FROM KINGSTON NEIGHBORHOOD, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT THIS POINT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BARLEY? THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS CHARLES OWEN AND I LIVE IN THE PROPERTY IN THE HOUSE JUST RIGHT NORTH OF BUILDING NUMBER TWO.
AND I ACTUALLY WENT OUT LAST WEEK, UH, SHOT A GRADE.
AND THE EXISTING, UH, ELEVATION BEHIND MY HOUSE WHERE THE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE BUILT IS MY, MY FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION IS SEVEN FOOT BELOW THE ELEVATION WHERE THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE DEVELOPMENT AND MY NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST TO THE WEST, THEIR ELEVATION OF THEIR FINISHED FLOOR WAS SIX FEET BELOW.
I KNOW AND I CAN, I CAN'T TELL BY LOOKING EXACTLY ABOUT THE, UH, MOVEMENT OF THE EARTH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THE DIRT WORK IS JUST COULDN'T GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE EASEMENT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OVER TO MY PROPERTY LINE EVIDENTLY IS NOT GONNA HAVE ANY DIRT WORK DONE ON IT EXCEPT FOR THE WATER LINES AND THE SEWER LINES THAT'S GONNA BE GOING IN ACROSS THE, UH, EASEMENT.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ONCE THAT'S ALL COMPLETED, THAT THAT WATER IS NOT GOING TO GET INTO OUR HOUSES.
MY HOUSE IS ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT WAS FLOODED SEVERAL YEARS AGO
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AND UH, THE OTHER IS MY OTHER MAJOR CONCERN IS BACK IN 18 IT WAS APPROVED FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING.WELL, YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO THAT, IF YOU'RE IN YOUR BACKYARD WITH YOUR CHILDREN AND GRAND GRANDCHILDREN AND YOU'RE ENJOYING YOUR PRIVACY, YOU HAVE A THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH IS 88 FEET FROM MY PROPERTY LINE TO THE FIRST BUILDING, A THREE STORY BUILDING.
THOSE WINDOWS AND NOT ONLY THE WINDOW, 18 WINDOWS ARE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, BUT YOU'VE GOT TWO OPEN BREEZEWAYS.
IT'S ALSO PEOPLE STANDING ON THOSE BREEZEWAYS LEANING AGAINST THE RAILS, LOOKING AND WATCHING EVERYTHING THAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE DOING IN YOUR BACKYARDS.
TO ME, THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A SENSITIVE BORDER.
'CAUSE WE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG.
AND LIKE GARY SAID EARLIER, WE DON'T OPPOSE TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUIL OF THE, WE KNOW IT'S GONNA HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER.
IT'S JUST A THREE FLOOR, THE THREE STORY BUILDING THAT'S GONNA GO RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOUSES.
IT'S GONNA INVADE OUR PRO OUR PRIVACY.
AND THE OTHER CONCERN WAS THE FENCE THAT GOES ALONG THE NORTH SIDE.
EVIDENTLY THEY HAVE AGREED TO BUILD AN EIGHT FOOT TALL FENCE, BUT LOOKING AT THE PLANS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FENCE IS ONLY GONNA BE ABOUT 258 FEET IN LENGTH AND THE PROPERTY DISTANCE IS 409.
SO THAT MEANS AROUND, ON EACH SIDE OF THIS MAY THREE WALL THEY'VE AGREED TO BUILD EIGHT FOOT TALL, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS AROUND THE ENDS OF THOSE FENCES IN BEHIND THAT FENCE BETWEEN THEIR MASONRY FENCE AND OUR FENCE, WHICH PEOPLE COULD GO AROUND, DO ILLEGAL WHATEVER, SMOKE WEED, WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
AND OUR CHILDREN ARE GONNA BE RIGHT THERE IN THE YARD RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING.
MR. OWEN, TELL ME THOSE LENGTHS AGAIN.
THE, THE, THE LENGTH, UH, 409 FEET ON WIDTH AND, AND EVIDENTLY AND, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPECIFICATIONS IN THE PLANS ON THE FENCE.
I CAN'T FIND ANY DIMENSIONS AS FAR AS THE THICKNESS OF IT OR THE HEIGHT OF IT.
ALTHOUGH THE AGREEMENT WAS FOR AN EIGHT FOOT TALL RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S NO SPECS TELLING US WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
IT'S GONNA BE INSTALLING CONCRETE, IT'S GONNA BE BRICK DECORATIVE.
WE DON'T KNOW ACCORDING TO THE PLANS IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME.
AND IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO REALLY DETERMINED EXACTLY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE FENCE IS ONLY GONNA BE ABOUT 258 FEET LONG.
AND THAT'S GONNA LEAVE AN OPEN AREA FOR PEOPLE TO GO IN AND AROUND, INTO THE ALLEY, INTO THE EASEMENT AREA.
UH, THE SECURITY, UH, THE SENSITIVE BORDER AND THEN THE STORM WATER RUNOFF THERE AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN, BUT THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
AND THE FOURTH CONCERN THAT I HAVE, THE SANITARY CAPACITY, UH, THEY'RE GONNA TIE IN THIS 69 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH UH, WHAT 200 PEOPLE THEY'RE GONNA BE TYING INTO THE SEWER LINE, WHICH IS IN MY BACKYARD.
AND THE CITY'S BEEN THERE SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
CLEANING SEWER LINE OUT FURTHER EAST.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ANY DETAILS.
I JUST SEE THE TRUCK, THE CITY OF EDMOND TRUCK PUMPING SEWER OUT OR CLEANING OUT THE LINES.
I DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION OF THOSE SEWER LINES AND I'M CITY MAY HAVE CHECKED IT OUT.
THEY MAY KNOW, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REASSURANCE OF ANYTHING.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD ANY COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE DEVELOPER.
THEY HAVEN'T TALKED TO US ABOUT ANYTHING.
THEY HAVEN'T BROUGHT US UP TO DATE.
WE'RE JUST GOING BY THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE.
AND THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE ARE REALLY, SOME OF THE, THE DIMENSIONS ARE NOT LEGIBLE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR MAJOR CONCERNS THERE.
AGAIN, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A DEVELOPMENT, ONE OF THESE DATES, BUT THE PRIVACY AND THE SENSITIVE BORDER IS A BIG ISSUE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR SO MANY YEARS AND I THINK YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT YOU DON'T WANT AN EYE IN THE SKY LOOKING AT YOU WHEN YOU'RE BACK THERE DOING YOUR COOKOUT OR WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THEY'VE AGREED TO BUILD THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE, WHICH IS FINE.
BUT YOU GO BACK TO THE THIRD, THE THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING, IT'S GONNA BE 22 AND A HALF FEET FROM THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION ON THE FIRST FLOOR TO THE MIDDLE OF THE WINDOWS ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
SO PEOPLE CAN LOOK OUT AND I COUNT 'EM, THERE'S 18 WINDOWS THEY CAN LOOK OUT, THEY CAN WATCH, THEY CAN TAKE THEIR BINOCULARS, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY CAN SEE WHEN WE'RE HOME, WHEN WE'RE NOT AT HOME, GO RIDE AROUND OUR PROPERTY AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
HELLO, MY NAME'S NICOLE PETERSON AND I LIVE AT 1204 KNIGHTS BRIDGE ROAD.
I AM DIRECTLY BEHIND THE MIDDLE OF THE BACK BUILDING THERE.
UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE HOMEOWNERS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD MAKE IT AND THAT COULDN'T MAKE IT.
UM, I'VE LIVED, UM, AT 1204 NIGHTS BRIDGE
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WITH MY FAMILY SINCE 2011 WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOME.THAT PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY HIGHLAND PARK BAPTIST CHURCH.
UM, THAT CHURCH HAS BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS.
THERE WAS NO THOUGHT IN MY MIND THAT THIS WOULD EVER BE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR 40 YEARS.
GARY BARTLEY ACTUALLY HAS LIVED THERE SINCE IT WAS BUILT.
UM, AND WE'VE WORKED WITH SO MANY DEVELOPERS OVER THE YEARS ON PROJECTS TO ALLOW THE CITY TO GROW, BUT TO ALSO MAINTAIN OUR PRIVACY AND OUR, UM, PROPERTY VALUES AND JUST THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE IN KINGSTON.
UM, I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD WITH THE DEVELOPER.
UM, MR. BOX WAS PART OF THAT PROCESS, AND I'D LIKE TO PRESENT WITH, UH, TO YOU THE COMMUNITY CONNECTION MEETING MINUTES, IF I CAN PROVIDE YOU COPIES OF THAT.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT? I'D LIKE TO SEE 'EM.
I HAVE COPIES FOR THE DEVELOPER AS WELL.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS MEETING WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED IN 2018, OUR WARD, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ACTUALLY HAD TO RECUSE HERSELF 'CAUSE SHE LIVED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE MOMENT.
SO WE REALLY LACKED REPRESENTATION ON THE COUNCIL DURING THIS PROCESS.
UM, BUT WE ALSO WERE PRESENTED WITH A TWO STORY PROPOSAL, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS FOR REZONING, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MADE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT.
IT IS ON THE FIRST PAGE THERE, HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW FOR YOU TWO STORY APARTMENT BUILDING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE, UM, THERE IS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
AT THE TIME OF THE REZONING, IT WAS SIX INDIVIDUAL, ACTUALLY SEVEN BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THEY'RE ALL FACING PERPENDICULAR TO THE PROPERTY.
THIS ONE IS FACING DIRECTLY ACROSS OUR PROPERTY WITH A SIGNIFICANTLY MORE WINDOWS AND AN ADDITIONAL STORY ON TOP OF IT.
SO THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT SITE PLAN THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED AT THE TIME OF REZONING.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE RIGHTS WITHIN THE ZONING ZONING LAWS, UM, BUT THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE TIME OF REZONING.
THE 35 FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION WAS MEANT FOR A A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH SIGNIFICANT SLOPE ROOF, JUST LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE PROVIDED THEM AT THE TIME WITH ALL OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND HAS, WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED, MY PROPERTY SITS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WE'VE HAD DRAINAGE ISSUES, WE'VE HAD FLOODING ISSUES FROM THIS PROPERTY.
UM, BUT MORE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME AS A HOMEOWNER AND AS A MOM IS TO MAKE SURE THAT MY KIDS CAN PLAY IN THE BACKYARD.
MY NEIGHBOR KIDS CAN PLAY IN THEIR BACKYARDS WITHOUT PEOPLE LOOKING OVER TOP OF US.
UM, AND THAT THREE STORY BUILDING WOULD BE A HUGE DETRIMENT.
UM, THE THIRD PAGE IS ALL OF THE EXISTING THREE STORY APARTMENTS THAT I COULD FIND IN THE CITY OF EDMOND.
UM, IF THERE'S SOME MISSING, I'D BE HAPPY FOR YOU TO POINT THEM OUT TO ME.
BUT, UM, THERE ARE ONLY THREE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THREE STORY BUILDINGS AGAINST A SENSITIVE BORDER, AND THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT MITIGATING FACTORS FOR THEM.
SO FOUNTAIN LAKE APARTMENTS, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT ELEVATION CHANGE ALONG THE THREE STORY APARTMENTS AND THE SIGNIFICANT BORDER IN FAVOR OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND I'M TALKING LIKE VERY LARGE RETAINING WALLS WHERE THEY'RE SITTING ALMOST UP TO THE SECOND, THIRD FLOOR OF SOME OF THOSE AREAS.
UM, THE PURE AT KELLY POINT IS NEW AND IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK WITH VERY DENSE GREEN BELT THAT HAS OLD GROWTH FOREST AND CREEK RUNNING THROUGH IT.
UM, SO AGAIN, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE PROPERTIES FROM THE SIGNIFICANT OR FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES NEXT TO IT, THE VILLAS THAT STONEBRIDGE APARTMENTS, AGAIN HAS PERPENDICULAR SETTING MITIGATING FACTORS TO MAKE IT SO THAT THREE STORY DOESN'T FEEL AS IMPOSING ON THE PROPERTIES.
THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES IN EDMOND THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND HAVE, UM, EITHER TWO STORY BUILDINGS, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE GREENS AT COFFEE CREEK, THERE ARE THREE STORIES, BUT THEY COME BACK DOWN TO TWO STORIES ALONG THE SENSITIVE BORDER.
AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF JUST TWO STORY APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
UM, SO I WANTED TO POINT ALL OF THOSE OUT TO YOU TOO, THAT THERE REALLY IS A PRECEDENT IN THE CITY OF EDMOND TO MAINTAIN PRIVACY FOR THE FAMILIES THAT ARE ALONG THE SIGNIFICANT BORDERS.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS? UH, SURE.
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DEFENSE OR THE WALL, IT'LL SPAN THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY LINE.UH, I, I WAS TEXTING WITH THE ENGINEER, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WHAT THE PLANS REFLECT, BUT THE OCTOBER 5TH LETTER AGREEMENT SAYS, UH, AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY FENCE WILL BE PROVIDED ALONG NORTH PROPERTY LINE, THAT THAT MEANS THE ENTIRETY OF THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT THAT IS WHAT, UH, THEY WILL GET.
I ALSO ASKED HIM WHAT MASONRY MEANS.
UH, HIS RESPONSE WAS, IT WILL BE A BRICK, UH, EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF STORIES, I MEAN, SO AGAIN, THESE, THESE ARE NOT MY, MY WORDS.
THESE ARE, UH, MS FEE'S WORDS FROM A COMMUNITY CONNECTION MEETING BACK IN 2018.
UM, I KNOW THE HEIGHT WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH.
UH, I DON'T RECALL THE NUMBER OF STORIES BEING DISCUSSED AT LENGTH.
AND OUR MIND, THE, THE HEIGHT IS WHAT MATTERS.
WHETHER YOU PUT TWO STORIES OR THREE STORIES, IT'S THE HEIGHT, UH, THAT MAKES THE, THE DIFFERENCE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THESE WILL BE PITCHED ROOFS.
I THINK YOUR, UH, STAFF'S NARRATIVE DOES, UH, DISCUSS THAT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT APPROVED THIS ZONING, UH, IT SAYS, MAYOR LAMB ADVISED THIS ITEM IS REGARDING THE ZONING.
AND ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT A PUD, THE DEVELOPER SITE PLAN SHOULD REFLECT THE LIST OF COMMITMENTS ATTACHED, PRESUMABLY ATTACHED, MEANING THE OCTOBER 5TH, 2018 LETTER MADE BY THE APPLICANT.
AND IN THIS ATTACHED COMMITMENT LETTER, UH, THERE IS NO REFLECTION ON NUMBER OF STORIES.
IT'S A REFLECTION ON THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING TO THAT NORTH.
UH, THE CITY COUNCIL CERTAINLY COULD HAVE PUT A REQUIREMENT ON THE NUMBER OF STORIES, UH, IN, IN OUR, UH, APPROVAL, BUT THEY, THEY DID NOT.
THEY INSTEAD CHOSE TO MAKE THE NORTHERN PART OF THIS PROPERTY, UM, HAVE A WALL, HAVE LIMITED HEIGHT, HAVE EXTRA LANDSCAPING AND THOSE THINGS.
SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A FULLY COMPLIANT SITE PLAN, NOT ONLY YOUR ZONING CODE, BUT ALSO THIS OCTOBER 5TH, 2018 COMMITMENT LETTER.
UH, AND WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? MY NAME'S CHASE HEGER 8 0 3 SUNNYBROOK COURT.
UH, I LIVE ABOUT A BLOCK NORTH OF THIS.
I ALSO SERVE ON THE DOWNTOWN URBAN BOARD.
SO DEAR COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WANNA BEGIN BY STATING PLAINLY THAT THIS APPLICATION MEETS ALL OF THE CITY OF EDMOND'S ADOPTED PLANNING REQUIREMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND IN MY VIEW, SHOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I'M HERE TONIGHT ASKING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPEAL MISSING DINNER WITH MY FAMILY.
THIS LOCATION IS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL SUITED FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
IT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE UNIVERSITY, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND ESSENTIAL SERVICES SUCH AS SUPERMARKETS AND RETAIL.
THESE FACTORS ALIGN WITH SMART GROWTH, REDUCED TRAFFIC DEMAND IN THE CITY'S LONG-TERM PLANNING GOALS, PROVIDING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND AREAS WHERE RESIDENTS CAN WALK, BIKE, AND USE TRANSIT BENEFITS BOTH TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE BROADER CITY.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE RAISED WAS THE PROJECT'S PROXIMITY TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND THIS IMPORTANCE FOR COMPATIBILITY, PROXIMITY ALONE SHOULD NOT OUTWEIGH THE CLEAR ADVANTAGES OF PLACING MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING IN A LOCATION, SPECIFICALLY POSITIONED TO SUPPORT IT WITH APPROPRIATE DESIGNS.
BUFFERING, WHICH WE'VE HEARD IS INCLUDED.
UM, OPERATIONAL STANDARDS, NEW DEVELOPMENT CAN COEXIST RESPONSIBLY WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WHILE MEETING EDMOND'S GROWING HOUSING NEEDS.
SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU GIVE THIS APPEAL A THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION AND THAT YOU WOULD OVERTURN AND APPROVE AND ALLOW THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I ALSO, UH, AM A DESIGNER, SO I WENT AHEAD AND SKETCHED WITH YOU GUYS ROUGHLY WHAT YOUR LIGHTS, YOUR SIGHT LINES ARE GONNA BE.
SO THIS IS YOUR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOUSING DOWN HERE, AND I CAN COME SHOW YOU GUYS CLOSER IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
HERE'S THE THREE STORY APARTMENTS.
YOU HAVE YOUR EIGHT FOOT WALL, AND YOU HAVE YOUR TREES HERE.
THERE IS NO DIRECT SIGHT LINE THROUGH THE TREES AND THE WALL BLOCKS, ANY SIGHT LINES THAT WOULD BE PRESENT ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UM, THIS IS MY PROFESSION AS WELL.
UM, SO I, I THINK THEY'VE MADE ALL OF THE REASONABLE, UM, AND APPROPRIATE RESPONSES TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH.
UH, THEY'VE ALSO HIRED JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES, WHICH IS A VERY REPUTABLE CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, THAT THE NOOSE THUNDER ARENA IS USING.
AND THEY'RE PAID TO MANAGE THE WATER, THE WASTE WATER,
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UH, CITY RUNOFF, ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS ALONG WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND AND THEIR UTILITIES.WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? MR. BARTLEY, PLEASE MAKE YOUR COMMENTS BRIEF.
POINTS TO NOTE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE BUILDING THAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH IS BUILDING NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE NORTH BUILDING.
THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS ARE SCHEDULED FOR THREE STORIES, AND WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT.
IT WAS ONLY ON THE NORTH BUILDING, WHICH IS CLOSEST TO WHERE WE LIVE AS A ISSUE THAT, UH, THEY HAVE TRIED TO RESOLVE IS THAT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING TWO WAS AT 44 FEET.
THEY'VE REDUCED IT DOWN TO 35 FEET TOTAL BY REDUCING THE FLOOR PLATE DIFFERENCES FROM 11 FEET, FOUR BETWEEN THE FLOORS, 11 FEET, FOUR INCHES BETWEEN FLOORS TO NINE FOOT TWO.
AND THAT'S ALSO DONE BY LOWERING THE TO ROOF FROM A EIGHT 12 PITCH TO A FOUR 12 PITCH.
SO THEY'VE TRIED DO TO ACCOMMODATE IT, BUT WE STILL THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE FOR US.
MR. BOX, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO, TO ADD ON ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE? UH, I, I WOULD JUST ADD, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISTANCE, IT'S A A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT SETBACK.
IT'S JUST OVER 88 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE TO THAT NORTH, UH, BUILDING ELEVATION.
SO WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK IN ADDITION TO ALL THE THINGS I'VE MENTIONED.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUMP IN THERE WOULD OKAY.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHT? SO BUILDING TWO, THE ONE THAT IS NORTH BUILDING IS ADJACENT TO THESE BACKYARDS.
AND SOMEHOW THREE STORIES WORK THERE, CORRECT? YES.
AND THEN THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS ARE 45 FEET? ARE THOSE NO, 35.
SO THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE BOTH THREE STORIES AS WELL.
SO BEFORE YOU DIVE IN DEEPER SURE.
LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO ADDRESS IT IN THE AUDIENCE.
UM, SO SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS FLOODING IN THE PAST AND, UM, CITY TAKES THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.
DEVELOPMENTS CAN'T, THEY CAN'T ADD TO ANY FLOODING ISSUES.
UM, I ALSO HEARD MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE MAYBE SOME NATIVE TREES BACK THERE.
WOULD THE DEVELOPER BE WILLING TO TAKE A WALK AND LOOK AT MAYBE SOME OF THOSE TREES OF INTEREST? MY NAME IS DENTON PARKER WITH DAPP VENTURES.
I'M THE DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT.
SO A VERY EXTENSIVE, UH, STORM WATER, UH, DRAINAGE PLAN, UH, HAS BEEN DONE BY JOHNSON AND ASSOCIATES TO ENSURE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY RUNOFF TO THE NORTH.
UH, WE ARE DETAINING ALL OF OUR WATER ON SITE AND THE DETENTION POND, UH, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION THAT YOU, SO THERE WERE SOME POSSIBLE, THERE IS A, UH, NATIVE TREE PRESERVE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OKAY.
THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND THE ARCHITECT HAS GONE THROUGH AND MARKED ALL THE TREES AND THE LANDSCAPE, UM, PLANNING REVIEW HAS ACCEPTED THAT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, I MAY HAVE SOME COMMENTS, BUT I I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS RIGHT THIS SECOND.
ANY QUESTIONS DOWN HERE? YEAH, JUST A QUICK ONE.
MAYBE MR. BRIAN, YOU COULD ANSWER.
AND, AND IN YOUR OPINION, AS I THINK THAT WAS IN THE PACKET, ALL REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET WITH THE 2018 AGREEMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT IS OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE, THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME, UH, DISPUTE ABOUT THAT IN THE 35 FEET FOOT HEIGHT, WHETHER TWO STORY, THREE STORY, WHATEVER STORY THAT WAS IN THE, THAT WAS THE HEIGHT
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WITHIN THE ORIGINAL LETTER, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.35 FEET FOR THE BUILDINGS ON THE NORTH.
HERE'S WHAT I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.
I KNOW YOU'RE UNDER A TIGHT TIMELINE TO GET THIS DONE, BUT YOU'VE GOT CITIZENS THAT LIVE OVER THERE, AND I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO REMEMBER WHERE I PARKED MY CAR SOMETIMES, BUT I REMEMBER THIS ITEM I DO FROM WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTS OVER THERE THAT ARE, YOU'VE HEARD MR. BARTLEY, AND I MEAN, HE TALKED, HE AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS YEARS AGO.
UH, THEY'RE NOT OPPOSING OR IN OPPOSITION TO YOUR SOUTH BUILDING.
IT'S THE NORTH BUILDING THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH.
AND I AM NOT QUITE SURE WHY THIS THING DIDN'T GET WORKED OUT BEFORE IT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET THAT.
THERE'S THREE ISSUES FROM, ACCORDING TO MR. BARTLEY AND MR. OWEN AND MS. PETERSON, THE HEIGHT, THE FLOODING, WE KNOW THE FLOODING WILL GET TAKEN CARE OF, WE HOPE BY STORM WATER.
AND THE CITY STAFF, THE NATIVE TREES, COUNCILWOMAN MURDOCH NICHOLS ASKED ABOUT THOSE TREES.
I DIDN'T HEAR YOU ANSWER THAT.
AND SO WHAT DO WE DO IN ARGUING OVER THIS WHEN YOU'VE GOT A SOLUTION HERE? WELL, COUNCILMAN, I I, I THINK IN OUR MIND THESE WERE THE SAME ISSUES PRESENTED IN 2018.
AND WE BELIEVED THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE WAS SATISFIED WITH THE SOLUTION, BUT THE SOLUTION WAS REACHED WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON AN ORDINANCE AND APPROVED THE VERY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THAT'S NOW BEFORE YOU.
JOHNSON ASSOCIATES IS THE ENGINEER.
THEY'RE, UM, VERY COMPETENT ENGINEER.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT THEIR SEAL ON DOCUMENTS THAT ARE GONNA, UM, RESULT IN SOMETHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE YOUR CITY ORDINANCE.
UM, MY CLIENT HAS IDENTIFIED A SERIES OF TREES THAT, THAT ARE ALREADY GOING TO BE IDENTIFIED.
I'M SURE HE IS MORE THAN WILLING TO, UH, TAKE A WALK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND IDENTIFY PERHAPS SOME OTHERS THAT ARE IN THAT 30 FOOT.
IT'S CLEARLY, UH, MORE ECONOMICAL FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN TREES THAN, UH, GO SPEND MONEY TO BUY NEW TREES WITHIN THAT 30 FOOT BUFFER.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE, THE NUMBER OF STORIES THAT IN OUR MIND, THAT ISSUE WAS DECIDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2018, THAT CITY COUNCIL CHOSE TO PUT A HEIGHT RESTRICTION ON, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT A NUMBER OF STORIES.
UM, SO WE, WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SOLVED, THESE ARE THE SAME ISSUES THAT WERE ADDRESSED EIGHT YEARS AGO.
I, I WANNA GO BACK, I WANNA GO BACK TO THIS C COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS MEETING.
I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THOSE ARE NOT YOUR WORDS.
THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE AGREED TO THIS, THAT, THAT MS FEES WAS THE COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS COORDINATOR AT THE TIME.
THESE MINUTES WERE ALWAYS PUBLISHED, THEY WERE AVAILABLE TO REVIEW.
I MEAN, I'M, I, I APPRECIATE HANDING THIS OUT.
THE PROPOSED TWO STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
I, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO MR. BOX, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN MR. BARTLEY AND OTHERS HAVE SAID THE SOUTH BUILDING IS GREAT, WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE NORTH BUILDING.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THE NORTH BUILDING? WE'VE REDUCED THE HEIGHT FROM WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
AND WE DID THAT THROUGH THE LETTER AGREEMENT IN 2018.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT? TONIGHT WE'RE PRESENTING YOU WITH A FULLY COMPLIANT SITE PLAN THAT CONFORMS NOT ONLY TO YOUR STRAIGHT ZONING, BUT ALSO TO THE LETTER AGREEMENT, WHICH IS MORE CUMBERSOME THAN WHAT YOUR STRAIGHT ZONING REQUIRES.
SO THERE'S NO ACCOMMODATIONS YOU CAN MAKE TONIGHT WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE? WELL, IT, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO MODIFY IT, I DON'T THINK TO THE NUMBER OF STORIES.
THAT WAS THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WAS RESTRICTED TO IN THE 2018 AGREEMENT.
THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THE 69 UNITS, WHICH WAS VERY OPENLY TALKED ABOUT, IS WITH THREE STORIES.
WHAT IF YOU HAD A BIGGER FOOTPRINT AND DIDN'T NEED ALL THAT UP TOP? I THINK, I MEAN, AT THE STAGE WE ARE, WE'RE VERY FAR DOWN THE LINE AND THIS IS THE PRODUCT THAT WE, UH, WISH TO BUILD, WHICH IS CONSISTENT
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WITH THE PRODUCT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IN 2018.I MEAN, IT IT, THE DECISIONS MADE BY PREVIOUS CITY COUNCILS ARE, I MEAN, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY RUN WITH THE LAND.
THEY'RE BINDING UPON NOT ONLY MY, MY CLIENT BUT THE CITY.
SO MY CONCERNS JUST GOT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER WHEN I SEE WHAT WAS HANDED OUT, THE PICTURES OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED SUPPOSEDLY AT A COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS MEETING IN 2018, AND YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON THAT NORTH SIDE AND THEY'RE ALL TURNED 90 DEGREES FROM WHAT YOUR ONE BUILDING IS TODAY.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS A SOLUTION OUT THERE.
AND AS YOU SAID, MR. BOX, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO NOW, WHICH PUTS US IN THE POSITION OF SAYING WE'VE EITHER GOTTA DECIDE THAT AS A COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THAT HOA AND THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN 2018 THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING AND THE PROTECTIONS THEY HAD, OR WERE GIVING THEM SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
AND IT APPEARS TO ME IT'S SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
I'M ALSO AT A LOSS BECAUSE WHAT WAS IN MY PACKET DID NOT SHOW A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 FEET.
IT ACTUALLY SHOWED ME THE 11 FEET, THREE INCH FIRST FLOOR, 11 FEET, THREE INCH, SECOND FLOOR.
IT DID NOT SHOW ME WHAT THE TOTAL OVERHAUL HEIGHT ON THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS THAT I GOT IN MY PACKET.
I'M A BIT PERPLEXED AS TO WHY I DIDN'T GET WHAT YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU LEAVING THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE AT THE ORIGINAL HEIGHT AND YOU'RE JUST CHANGING THE NORTH BUILDING, OR ARE YOU CHANGING ALL OF THEM? SO ALL THE BUILDINGS ON THE HI, UH, ON THE PROJECT ARE THREE STORY.
SO YOU'VE CHANGED THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE WHOLE PROJECT ALL? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY CHANGE.
CHANGE WHAT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IN, IN THE, IN THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE, WE RECEIVED IN OUR PACKET, THE SIDE ELEVATION SHOWS AN 11 FOOT THREE INCH, FIRST FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR, NOTHING TO SHOW THE HEIGHT TO THE CEILING JOISTS IN THE THIRD FLOOR OR AN OVERALL HEIGHT ON THE RIDGE LINE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S A LITTLE TOUGH FOR US TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS WHEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE CORRECT INFORMATION.
SO YEAH, APOLOGIES FOR THAT CONFUSION.
THE, THE MATERIALS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET, UH, DIRECTLY BEHIND THE KIND OF THE MEMO AND THOSE THINGS ARE THE MATERIALS THAT WERE SHARED WITH PLANNING COMMISSIONS.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY SO YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT WAS IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR HEARING.
UM, WE, WE RECEIVED UPDATED ELEVATION THAT PROVIDED, UM, IT WAS JUST EASIER TO READ BASICALLY, AND ALSO HAD A CHANGE IN FACADE MATERIALS.
UM, THAT WE, WE DIDN'T GET IT IN TIME TO PRESENT IT AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S AVAILABLE, UM, AS A, LIKE A PRESENTATION ITEM THIS EVENING.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
LET, LET ME MAKE SURE I, MAYBE I'M CONFUSED HERE.
WE GOT 11 FEET, WHATEVER, 11 FEET, WHATEVER.
I DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE THIRD IS.
IF THE TOTAL'S 35, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? MEAN? WELL, IF YOU GO 11, WHAT DO YOU YEAH, IF YOU GO 11 3, 11 3, 11 3 TO GET THREE FLOORS, YOU'RE AT 33 9, WHICH MEANS YOU'VE GOT ONE FOOT THREE INCHES FOR YOUR PIT, FOR YOUR PEAK ON YOUR ROOF.
I MEAN, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I SEE IN MY PACKET SINCE THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING.
SO THAT'S BETTER STATING THE, IF YOU ACTUALLY, I MEAN, JUST TAKE A RULER AND MEASURE IT OUT AND YOU'RE OVER 45 FEET.
THE, THE BUILDING IS UNDER 35 FEET.
IT HAS EIGHT FOOT WALLS, 16 INCH FLOOR JOISTS, THREE QUARTER TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING REPEATED THREE TIMES WITH A FOUR 12 PITCH.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN OUR PACKET.
WE'RE SHOWING WE'RE SHOWING 11 3 11 3 NOTHING.
AND WE'RE SHOWING AN EIGHT 12 PITCH.
THAT'S MY POINT, IS WE'RE SITTING HERE TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS AND WE DON'T APPARENTLY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION HERE.
I I, I I CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT.
WELL, I, I KNOW YOU CAN'T MR. BOX, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS WE SUBMITTED AN
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APPLICATION THAT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS FOR SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS THAT WAS TRANSMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TWO TO TWO VOTE AND SUIT.I I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU.
UH, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE HAVE APPLIED FOR IS FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONING THAT EXISTS ON THIS PROPERTY.
I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'M SAYING I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION IN MY PACKET.
HOW CAN I MAKE A DECISION? WELL, I GUESS YOU COULD COUCH ANY MOTION IN TERMS OF REQUIRING STAFF TO ENSURE THAT NO BUILDING PERMIT COULD BE ISSUED WITHOUT THOSE CONSTRUCTION PLANS BEING FULLY COMPLIANT WITH YOUR ORDINANCES.
OR WE COULD CONTINUE THE ITEM AND SEE IF WE CAN'T COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION TO THE WHOLE PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S COMPLYING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL DECISION 2018.
AND I'M LOOKING AT AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE WITH AN HOA AND A GROUP OF PROPERTY OWNERS WHO THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GETTING TWO STORY BUILDINGS THAT WERE NOT FACING THEIR BACKYARDS.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE, WERE THINKING THEY WERE AT THE MEETINGS AT 2018.
I READ YOU THE MINUTES, WHAT MR. LAMB SAID AND WHAT HE SAID.
HE SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED THE AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES.
IT WAS LIMITED TO 35 FEET IN HEIGHT ON THE NORTH.
THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT LIMITING IT IN THE ORDINANCE TO NUMBER OF STORIES.
WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED TO YOU IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN 2018, EXACTLY WHAT WAS REDUCED TO WRITING IN THIS AGREEMENT AND HAS BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY SINCE THAT TIME.
SO WHAT WAS IN THEIR MIND AS TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
ALL I CAN SPEAK TO IS WHAT THIS CITY'S COUNCIL AGREED TO.
THIS, THIS CITY COUNCIL, THE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WITHOUT LOOKING AT MINUTES FROM A MEETING FROM THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD TELL YOU ON WHATEVER THEY APPROVE, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY REFERENCE AT ALL TO NUMBER OF FLOORS.
WELL, I I READ YOU THE MINUTES.
I CAN READ YOU THE MINUTES AGAIN.
AND WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES.
AND YES, IT WASN'T THIS MAKEUP OF HUMANS, BUT THE DECISIONS OF THOSE HUMANS IN 2018 ARE BINDING ON YOU GUYS THAT ZONING RUNS WITH THE LAND FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER UNTIL MR. BOX.
WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR, STEP ASIDE AND LEMME TALK TO THE DEVELOPER? SURE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE HERE AN HOA WHO IS NOT OPPOSING THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ONE SMALL PIECE THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE A SOLUTION TO.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY SUSPICIONS FROM THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THIS COUNCIL IS WE VERY MUCH WANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WE WANT THAT, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LIVING UP TO THE COMMITMENTS WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO I HAVE LOOKED AT THIS VERY EXTENSIVELY WITH CIVIL ENGINEERS AND, AND MULTIPLE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH TO GET A FULL SET OF PLANS.
THREE STORY FOR THAT NORTH BUILDING IS THE ONLY SOLUTION THAT I SEE.
HOW CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE.
HOW MANY UNITS ARE ON THAT THIRD FLOOR? EIGHT.
AND WE COULDN'T SHIFT THOSE EIGHT UNITS INTO TWO STORIES ON THE NORTH BUILDING AND INTO THE SIZE OF THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS.
IT WAS LOOKED AT VERY EXTENSIVELY.
AND THAT SOLUTION HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED? NO, I MEAN, IF YOU COULD DO THAT WITH CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT AND IF IT REQUIRED A LANDSCAPE VARIANCE OR MAYBE LOSE A PARKING SPOT OR TWO, THERE IS NOT A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I MEAN, I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET, GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH WORKING SOMETHING OUT.
WHAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS CHANGING THE RULES ON A CAPITAL INVESTOR WHEN IT'S BEEN AGREED TO 35.
I THINK THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM THAT WE DON'T WANNA FALL INTO A PATTERN OF DOING.
UM, AND, AND AS FAR AS THE TREES, I APPRECIATE, I HOPE YOUR EFFORTS OF IDENTIFYING GOOD TREES AND KEEPING THEM WITH YOUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
WHEN I DROVE THE PROJECT, THAT'S ONE OF THE WORST STAND OF TREES AND STUFF THAT I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
AND IF I LIVED THERE, I WOULD'VE CLEANED IT OUT MYSELF.
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SO I THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA IMPROVE THAT NOT WORSEN IT.HE HAS IDENTIFIED THE TREES THAT, UM, INTENDED TO BE SAVED.
I, I STILL THINK IT COMES DOWN TO, DOES DO THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? DO THEY MEET THE PUD? DO THEY MEET THE LETTER AGREEMENT? IF SO, WE'RE DOWN TO A MINISTERIAL DECISION AND IF WE START CHANGING RULES AND CHANGING PATTERNS ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE GONNA BE SO UPSIDE DOWN.
WE'LL NEVER GET RIGHT SIDE UP.
MIKE, MY CONCERN IS, IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MY CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE INFORMATION IN OUR PACKET TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DESIGN ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE TO MEET THE 35 FEET.
BECAUSE WHAT I HAD IN MY PACKET WAS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
AND THAT CONCERNS ME WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE WELL I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION, NOT HAVING THE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND STUDY IT AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT SAY, YES, YOU'VE DONE IT.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT, PERHAPS THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROCESS, BUT WHY I UNDERSTAND THIS IS APPEAL FROM AN APPEAL FROM PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE IT DID NOT PASS, BECAUSE A TWO TO TWO VOTE.
WHY? SO IS IT THE PROCESS THAT WE WERE GIVEN EXACTLY WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAD? BECAUSE I I AM ALSO CONFUSED WHY WE DIDN'T GET WHAT'S SHOWN RIGHT HERE IN OUR PACKET.
UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THAT SO THAT COUNSEL HAS EXACTLY THE SAME INFORMATION THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAD.
UM, NOT PROVIDING THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS, IT'S POSSIBLE.
AND WE, WE NEED TO, UH, REVISE HOW WE HANDLE THAT.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO APPEALS A LOT, THANKFULLY.
WELL, I DON'T, SO I CAN SEE IT NOW
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY WOULDN'T ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT UNLESS IT WAS UNDER 35 FEET.
SO I I PERSONALLY DON'T NEED TIME TO STUDY IT.
'CAUSE I I CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO 35 FEET, NONE OF US WERE ON PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME.
SO BY RIGHT, A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING COULD BUILD A 35 FOOT HOME.
AND SO SOMEONE IN KINGSTON COULD BUILD A 35 FOOT HOME.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT APARTMENTS AND I HEAR THEM, BUT IT, TO ME, IT FEELS UNFAIR TO SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE A 35 FOOT APARTMENT, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A 35 FOOT SINGLE HOME.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST ME USING, UM, MY JUDGMENT THAT THAT'S TOUGH FOR ME.
UM, I DON'T HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MR. MAYOR, HERE'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THIS.
EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING, WE RUN INTO A PROBLEM.
BUT EVERY TIME IT ROLLS AROUND THE PIKE, HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITIZENS DON'T AGREE.
YOU CAN HIT IT AS HARD AS YOU WANT.
THEY'RE TELLING YOU THAT THEY'LL ACCEPT THIS WITHOUT A FUSS.
IF YOU'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT ONE BUILDING.
AND I, HERE IT IS, EIGHT 15 AND I'LL SIT HERE, LITTLE HELL WON'T HAVE IT.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION ON HOW TO DO THIS TONIGHT.
THEY'VE GIVEN IT TO YOU AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE YOU'RE NOT HEARING ME.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.
AND I KNOW YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, MR. BOX.
THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING EVERY TIME.
AND HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT, GET YOUR PROJECT, GET THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND ACCOMMODATE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE NOT ANY CLOSER NOW THAN WHEN WE STARTED, AT LEAST FROM IN MY POINT OF
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VIEW.SO IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING TO ADD TO WHAT I JUST SAID, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
ALL ALL I'D SAY IS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT NEGOTIATING PROJECTS, THAT THAT HAPPENS TYPICALLY AT THE ZONING PHASE WHEN YOU'RE ZONING IT IS WHEN YOU'RE DECIDING WHAT ARE THE DENSITIES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE, WHAT ARE THE HEIGHTS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE, WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF STORIES IF THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT ARE APPROPRIATE.
AND IN THIS CASE, WE HAD ALL OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS.
AND IN MY MIND, THE SITE PLAN CANNOT BE A REOPENING OF ENTITLEMENTS.
THE SITE PLAN, AS YOUR STAFF POINTS OUT IN THEIR STAFF REPORT IS A CHECK ON DOES THE PROJECT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY? AND IF SO, IT'S A MINISTERIAL ACT.
SO YOUR ANSWER TO ME IS NO TONIGHT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO REDUCE THE, THE NUMBER OF STORIES ON THE NORTH BUILDING.
AND I'VE HEARD THREE OF 'EM SAY, WE DON'T OPPOSE YOUR PROJECT IF YOU'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT NORTH BUILDING.
SO THAT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT VERY EXTENSIVELY WITH LAYOUTS FROM MY ARCHITECT AND MY CIVIL, AND THAT CANNOT BE DONE AND MEET THE 69 UNITS.
SO IF WE WANT THE 69 UNITS THAT IT'S ZONE FOR AND THE 35 FOOT COMPLIANCE, I FELT LIKE I MET ALL THOSE.
CAN I, WHAT WAS THAT? I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT LAST SENTENCE.
I FELT LIKE I MET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
CAN I ASK ONE? SO IN THIS ONE, IN THE OLD ONE THAT WE WERE HANDED THE, LIKE THE WINDOWS WERE ON THE SIDES AND YOU WERE, AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE LOOKING AT THE END OF THE HOUSE OR AT THE END OF THE BUILDING, DID YOU LOOK AT FLIPPING IT SO THAT THE TWO SIDE, SO THE TWO BUILDINGS, ONE AND THREE WERE AT THE NORTH SIDE, SUCH THAT, LIKE, I'M LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT HERE, THE MIDDLE PICTURES FROM A BACKYARD, THE MIDDLE PICTURES LOOK A LITTLE MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED, I THINK IN THIS PLAN.
DID YOU CONSIDER THAT, I MEAN, 18 WINDOWS IS FAIR.
IT'S LIKE 10 FOOT HIGHER ON A THIRD FLOOR THAN A SECOND FLOOR.
BUT DID YOU LOOK AT FLIPPING THE WHOLE THING? NINE, 180 DEGREES MAYBE WHILE HE IS LOOKING AT THAT, I WILL JUST NOTE SO THAT THE IMAGE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, HE, HE'S PROBABLY NEVER EVEN SEEN.
THAT WAS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS CREATED BY DO YOU HAVE IT NOW THOUGH, BY THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER? I HAVEN'T.
I HAVE IT NOW, BUT I HAVE NOT, SEE WHAT I MEAN THOUGH? IT'S LIKE LOOKING AT THE END OF THE BUILDING.
SO LIKE THERE'S JUST A LOT LESS OVERLOOK, YOU KNOW, PROBABILITY IF IT'S THE OTHER WAY.
AND I MIGHT LIKE THAT BETTER TOO.
BUT, BUT HERE'S SOMETHING I I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WHAT ANY OF US ARE HERE TO DO.
AND SO I WOULD CALL THE ASK CALL THE QUESTION THERE, I WAS JUST ASKING IF IT HAD BEEN LOOKED AT.
MY ENGINEERS HAVE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT LAYOUTS AND THIS IS THE BEST ONE THAT FITS THE PROJECT FOR
UM, YOU KNOW, I, THERE ARE NEIGHBORS HERE AND I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF YOU TODAY AND, UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT I PLAYED PHONE TAG WITH MS. KYLE AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO WEIGH OPINIONS AND IT'S YOUR BACKYARD.
AND I'M SITTING LIKE, LIKE PHIL JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING UP HERE THINKING, HOW CAN WE REDESIGN THIS? WELL, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT EVEN HAD THE THOUGHT OF LIKE, WELL MAYBE THE BACK WALL, WE JUST TAKE OUT ALL THE WINDOWS.
WELL, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
BUT I, I JUST HOPE THAT THAT COMMUNICATES, I I DO CARE ABOUT YOUR, YOUR YARD AND TRULY, TRULY I DO.
UM, BUT I, I THINK I, I MAYBE EVEN AM HEARING THAT THE HEIGHT IS OKAY, BUT IT'S THE STORIES THAT AREN'T.
SO WOULD WE BE OKAY WITH 35 FOOT IF IT'S TWO STORIES? AND I, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T, I, SO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING BACK TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, THE RENT ON THESE APARTMENTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE HIGH ENOUGH FOR IT TO MAKE SENSE.
UM, TO BE ABLE TO FUND A PROJECT LIKE THIS,
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UH, FROM A STANDPOINT.SO I, I THINK I'VE COME TO A DECISION.
CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE DIAGRAM THAT MR. HENNINGER DREW BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS GOOD, IT WAS CUTE
HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THE CONCEPT OF VISIBILITY FROM THE THIRD STORY INTO THE YARD, WITH THE WALL AND WITH THE TREES? BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A NEW BARRIER OF TREES, RIGHT? THAT'S TALLER.
THERE WILL BE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL.
HAS ANYBODY DONE THAT? WE HAVE MOCK UP TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, WE HAVEN'T, UM, THE COUNCILWOMAN BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, 35 FEET'S ALLOWED, I THINK A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE HERE IS 35 FEET IS WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE.
EXCEPT WE HAVE AN 88 FOOT SETBACK AND A 30 FOOT GREEN BELT AND AN EIGHT FOOT WALL.
IF IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD UP AGAINST THERE, IT WOULD BE A COUPLE OF 35 FOOT TALL HOUSES WITH A 20 FOOT SETBACK AND NOT 30 FOOT.
I'M NOT REAL INTERESTED IN WHAT IS ALLOWED THOUGH.
I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, TRYING TO DRAW TRIANGLES ON MY NOTEBOOK, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S EVEN AN ISSUE HERE, RIGHT? WELL I THINK IF THE TREES WERE 45 FEET TALL, THAT'D PROBABLY BE FINE.
RIGHT? THEN THERE'S BLOCKAGE, SO I CAN'T TELL IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THROUGH THESE TREES OR NOT FROM, FROM THE TOP OF A WINDOW ON A THREE STORY BUILDING.
OTHER THAN I THINK THEY SAID THERE'S SEVEN FEET BELOW AND THERE'S AN EIGHT FOOT WALL WITH TREES ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE EIGHT FEET.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL INFORMATION TO HAVE ON FOR THIS BRIEFING RIGHT NOW.
WELL THAT, THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE LETTER AGREEMENT.
OH, JUST LIKE SHOWING THE SIDELINES.
WE'VE, I THINK MR. FRAME MADE A MOTION.
MR. FRAME HAS HAS CALLED THE QUESTION.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT AS WE, AS WE GO TO VOTE THAT I UNDERSTAND ALL THESE ISSUES, I UNDERSTAND THE 35 FOOT LIMIT.
THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT IT SAYS.
MY GRIPE IS HOW IN THE WORLD ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MAKE DECISIONS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE CORRECT INFORMATION IN OUR PACKET.
WITH THAT SAID, MR. FRAME HAS PUSHED THE MOTION HAS CALLED FOR IT.
SECOND I HAVE MOTION AND SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[12. Executive Sessions and Action Items:]
ITEM 12 ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ENTER EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS A PENDING LAWSUIT.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EXIT EXECUTIVE SESSION AND RECONVENE OUR MEETING.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A MOTION, SIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT IN THE ABOVE REFERENCED MATTER AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO EXECUTE SETTLEMENT DOCU DOCUMENTS THAT CONFORM TO THE MEDIATION AGREEMENT DATED JANUARY 9TH, 2026.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE.
[14. Comments from the Mayor and Members of the City Council.]
UM, THEN WE ARE READY TO HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.ANYBODY THIS EVENING? I I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT, MORE OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
UM, FORMER CITY COUNCILMAN GARY MOORE PASSED AWAY ON DECEMBER 28TH.
JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE AND A CELEBRATION OF LIFE WILL BE HELD JANUARY 31ST AT FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH HERE IN EDMOND.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW WHO GARY MOORE WAS, HE WAS ACTUALLY MY CITY COUNCILMAN.
UM, THE NEW NEWLY ELECTED CITY COUNCILMAN WHEN JUST AFTER I MOVED TO EDMOND IN
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19, WHATEVER YEAR THAT WAS, I DON'T EVEN KNOW.UM, SO DAVID CHAPMAN LET US KNOW ABOUT THAT DURING THIS MEETING THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, OTHERWISE I'VE GOT NOTHING ELSE TO SAY THIS EVENING.
WELL, WITH THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.