* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] [1. Call to Order of the Edmond Planning Commission.] ALL RIGHT, LET'S, UH, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO AN ORDER. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE, UH, THIS MEETING, THE EDMOND PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS, UH, TUESDAY, APRIL 7TH. SO, UH, FIRST [2. Consideration of Approval of Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes: March 03, 2026.] THING ON, ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. UH, HOPEFULLY ALL THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS HAVE READ THE, UH, THE MINUTES. ARE THERE ANY, UH, DISCUSSIONS, CHANGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? CAN I HEAR A, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND? I WILL MOTION SECOND. UH, MOTION CARRIED. OH, ALRIGHT. LET'S VOTE. MOTION CARRIED MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. UH, THERE ARE NO, UH, CONSENT ITEMS, SO WE WILL GO [A. Case No. PR24-00025; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval for a Final Plat for Take 5 Oil Change – 1800 E 2nd Street, east of Bryant Ave. (Altar Group; Ward 1) Consideration of a variance to Title 21.02.030(A) requiring 90 feet of right-of-way on 2nd Street. A variance was approved for the east parcel as part of the Site Plan for Take 5 Oil Change for 70 feet of right-of-way and an adjacent 20-foot utility easement. This allows the existing cross access with the adjacent property to the west to remain in place without encroaching in the right-of-way. Staff has determined that the proposed dedications will allow for future improvements on 2nd Street and has no objection to the variance.] RIGHT TO THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, AND OF COURSE, UH, WE'LL GIVE, UH, UM, THE APPLICANT AND, UH, ANY ONE OF HIS REPRESENTATIVES, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, UH, PRESENT THE CASE. AND THEN ALSO WE'LL GIVE A OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO TALK ABOUT AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINION. AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE A, UH, EXPLANATION BY, UH, UH, CITY STAFF TO EXPLAIN AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE. AND I WOULD, UH, JUST, UH, ASK YOU TO, UH, MAINTAIN YOUR DECOR HERE. UH, OUR, UH, WE ARE MISSING OUR TWO OF OUR MEMBERS. SO EACH VOTE TO, I MEAN, UH, SO EACH CASE MUST HAVE A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FOR IT TO, UH, UH, TO PASS. AND, UH, IF IT, UH, DOES NOT PASS, IF THERE WAS A NO THREE VOTES, UH, THREE POSITIVE VOTES AND IT WILL, UH, FAIL. AND, UH, IN SOME OF THESE CASES, SOME WILL GO DIRECTLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND OTHERS WILL END RIGHT HERE WITH, UH, WITH PLANNING COMMISSION. SO JUST KIND OF BE AWARE OF THAT. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER PR 24 0 0 0 2 5. THIS IS A, A CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL FOR A FINAL PLAT FOR A TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE. IS THE APPLICANT HERE. OKAY. UM, KEN, WOULD YOU, UH, DESCRIBE YES. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS FINAL PLAT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.2 ACRES. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SECOND STREET, JUST EAST OF THE BRYANT SQUARE SHOPPING CENTER. THE CASE DETAILS ARE AS FOLLOWS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL BE DIVIDED INTO TWO LOTS. THE TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE FACILITY WILL BE BUILT ON THE EAST LOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECENTLY APPROVED SITE PLAN. NO DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS ARE CURRENTLY PENDING OR UNDER REVIEW FOR THE WEST LOT. A VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED AS FOLLOWS, TO REDUCE THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION FROM THE STANDARD 90 FEET TO 70 FEET, PLUS A 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED DEDICATIONS WILL ALLOW FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS ON SECOND STREET, AND HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE VARIANCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT SUBJECT TO THE VARIANCE. I WOULD NOTE THIS ITEM REQUIRES TWO VOTES. FIRST ONE ON THE VARIANCE, AND THEN ONE ON THE FINAL PLAT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSION FOR THE VARIANCE? ANY OF THAT, OR JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE FROM THE COMMISSION? UM, YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF FOR THE, UH, FOR THE VARIANCE REGARDING THE VARIANCE? ALL RIGHT. APPLICANT WANNA SAY ANY COMMENT ABOUT THE VARIANCE OR, OKAY. OR IS, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE VARIANCE AT ALL? ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, SPRING THAT, UH, CAN I HEAR A, A MOTION? MOTION SECOND. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THE, UH, THE VARIANCE IS PASSED THREE TO ZERO. NOW LOOKING AT THE, UH, UH, THE FINAL PLAT, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON, UH, ON THIS PLAT AT ALL? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF OR THE APPLICANT OR FOR THIS FINAL PLAT? OKAY. CAN I HEAR A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. [00:05:01] ALRIGHT, THIS APPROVAL, UH, WELL THIS APPROVED THREE TO ZERO AND NOW IT WILL GO TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 27. [B. Case No. Z26-00007; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of Rezoning a property that is addressed 11212 E Danforth Road from “G-A” General Agricultural to “R-1” Rural Estate District (Watson, Ward 2). ] NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A CASE NUMBER Z 26 0 0 0 0 7. THIS IS A CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A REZONING OF, UH, PROPERTY. KEN, WILL YOU DESCRIBE THIS APPLICATION PLEASE? OF COURSE. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 4.3 ACRES. THE REQUEST IS TO MODIFY THE ZONING MAP FROM GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURAL TO R ONE RURAL ESTATE. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DANFORTH AND WESTMINSTER. NEARBY. ZONING AND USES INCLUDE TO THE SOUTHWEST AND NORTH, ARE ZONED FOR AGRICULTURAL AND ARE DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO THE EAST, IS OUTSIDE EDMOND CITY LIMITS AND APPEARS TO CONTAIN AN OIL OR GAS ACTIVITY. THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A BUYRIGHT ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON LARGE LOTS WITH LARGE SETBACKS. THE UND PLAN CATEGORIZES THIS AREA AS RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE REQUESTED DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? ALL RIGHT. UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE PRESENT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OF ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO KEN'S COMMENTS? OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, UH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYBODY WANT TO GET UP AND TALK ABOUT IT? YES, SIR. PLEASE, UH, COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND, UH, DIRECT YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS TO THE CHAIRMAN. SURE. UH, PATRICK PATTERSON, 1141. NO, WESTMINSTER, WE SHARE THE, THE LOT LINE TO THE SOUTH THERE. MY NORTH LINE IS THE SAME. ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS JUST WHAT, UH, WHAT LIMITATIONS OR RESTRICTIONS WOULD THIS POSSIBLY HAVE ON MY PROPERTY? OKAY, THAT'S ALL. IS THAT YOUR ONLY QUESTION? IT IS. OKAY. KEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? UH, THIS ZONING APPLICATION WILL NOT IMPACT, UH, WILL ONLY IMPACT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWN HERE ON THE MAP. SO IT WOULDN'T IMPACT ANY, ANY OFFSITE PROPERTIES. OKAY. SO NO RESTRICTIONS ON ANIMAL USAGE OR FENCING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SHOULDN'T BE CORRECT, OFFICER. COOL. THAT'S ALL. I THINK THE ONLY THING IS THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS ALL THAT. YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CHANGE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ONLY. NOT OF, NOT OF YOUR PROPERTY, SIR. COOL. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT ANY ABUTMENT RESTRICTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENT QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NONE, UH, CAN I HAVE A, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE OR TO VOTE? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALRIGHT. MOTION PASSES. THREE TO ZERO. THAT WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 27TH. ALRIGHT, [C. Case No. SP25-00022; Public Hearing and Consideration for Approval of a Site Plan for 4033 E Covell Road (Infinity Custom Homes; Ward 2)] NEXT ITEM. CASE NUMBER SP 2 5 0 0 0 22 CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN. UH, KEN, WILL YOU DESCRIBE THIS APPLICATION PLEASE? YES. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS SITE PLAN IS APPROXIMATELY 6,500 SQUARE FEET. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COVELL AND FAIRFAX. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DETAILS, ONE BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET. ACCESS WILL BE FROM THE EXISTING DRIVE. THE ELEVATION SHOW THE BUILDING TO BE 25 FEET IN HEIGHT. THE FACADE WILL CONSIST OF BRICK, ROCK AND STUCCO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF? ALRIGHT, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, ANY EXPRESSIONS OR EMBELLISHMENTS? ALRIGHT, UM, SINCE, UH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY CITIZEN HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION? ALRIGHT, SINCE THERE'S NONE, UH, CAN I HEAR A MOTION FOR A VOTE? MOTION SECOND? YES, THE MOTION IS APPROVED THREE TO ZERO AND IT ENDS HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT, [D. Case No. PR25-00024; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Preliminary Plat for Covell Creek Corner, located on the northwest corner of Covell Road and Coltrane Road. (Coltrane Land Development; Ward 2) ] NEXT ITEM. CASE NUMBER PR 2 5 0 0 2 FOUR'S A CONSIDERATION. A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR COVE CREEK CORNER. KEN, WOULD YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE THIS? [00:10:02] YES. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT IS APPROXIMATELY 9.7 ACRES. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COVEL AND COLTRANE. IN CASE DETAILS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL BE PLATTED INTO ONE LOT ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED BY ONE DRIVEWAY ON COVEL AND ONE DRIVEWAY ON COLTRANE. COVELL WILL BE WIDENED TO THE NORTH, PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL WESTBOUND LANE AND A SEPARATE RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY. COVELL WILL ALSO BE WIDENED TO THE SOUTH TO EXTEND THE OUTSIDE EASTBOUND LANE. COLTRANE ROAD WILL BE WIDENED TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL SOUTHBOUND LANE AND A SEPARATE LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY. I WOULD NOTE THAT APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PREPARE A FINAL PLAT THAT WILL INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THESE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF TO GET US STARTED ON THIS? ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? WE WOULD IF WE COULD. MY NAME'S TODD MCINNIS. UH, I REPRESENT THE DEVELOPER ON THIS SITE, COLTRANE LAND DEVELOPMENT. UH, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM MOHAMMAD KHAN, OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD, AND BJ HAWKINS, A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL. AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING ABOUT WHY WE'RE HERE. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A PLAT. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A SITE PLAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE USER MIGHT BE ON THIS SITE. PLATTING IS THE PROCESS WHEN LAND IS BEING DIVIDED AND OR THERE'S GRANTING OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR OTHER ASSETS AS PART OF THE PRO PLUS AS PART OF THE PLATTING PROCESS. SO IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE, THE AERIAL PHOTO IF WE COULD. AVERY? YEAH, THE A THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ARE THE IMPACTS TO THE INTERSECTION AND AND YOU'RE GONNA HEAR BJ HAWKINSON TONIGHT WHO'S WITH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, WHO'S THEIR FIRM IS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING GROUP. IT'S USED BY CITIES, IT'S USED BY DEVELOPERS, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA. AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA HEAR US COMMUNICATE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLAT, IF IT WERE TO PROCEED TONIGHT, WOULD IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION GREATER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY. SO POST-DEVELOPMENT WILL BE BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY. AND WE'VE ALL BEEN AT THESE HEARINGS AND THE ONE THING THAT'S CONSTANT, THE INTERSECTION IS A PROBLEM. EVERYBODY SAYS THAT BRUCE HARRIS WOULDN'T OPEN CREST AT SOONER IN COVE UNTIL THERE WAS A LEFT TURN LIGHT PUT AT THIS INTERSECTION, WHICH WE KNOW IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. AND I WANNA MENTION A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO IMPROVE THIS INTERSECTION. IN THE SUMMER OF 2024, THE BEGINNING OF THE GEO BOND PROGRAM, THERE WERE A LIST OF PROJECTS TOTALING OVER $400 MILLION THAT WERE GONNA BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMITTEE TO POTENTIALLY GO TO THE GEO BOND. AT THAT TIME, THE COST OF THIS INTERSECTION WAS $42,562,000. IT'S GONE UP IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. THE ONLY WAY THIS INTERSECTION GETS IMPROVED IN ANY FORESEEABLE FUTURE IS BY PRIVATE DOLLARS BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT WOULD BE THE RESULT OF THE ENGINEERING THAT'S DONE AS PART OF THE PLATTING PROCESS FOR THIS LOT. THOSE ARE ALL FACTS WE CAN TALK ABOUT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TONIGHT? MOST OF IT'S NOT GONNA BE RELEVANT TO THE PLAT, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, THOSE ARE THE FACTS THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT. SO I'M GONNA INVITE MOHAMMAD KHAN TO COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THE GENERAL ENGINEERING AND THEN BJ HAWKINS. AND THEN IF I COULD, IF THERE'S CITIZEN COMMENTS, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GONNA BE A COUPLE, I'D LIKE TO COME UP AND RESPOND AT THE END IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU BJ. UH, MOHAMMED. GOOD EVENING. MOHAMMAD KHAN WITH THE SMC CONSULTING EIGHT 15 WEST MAIN. AS MR. MCCANN MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, THIS IS ALL ABOUT HOW TO SUBDIVIDE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, MAKING SURE THESE PROPERTY, WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE, HAS FULL ACCESS TO ADJACENT PUBLIC STREET SYSTEM AS WELL AS ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC WATER LINES, PUBLIC SANITARY SEW LINES, AND HOW WE ARE ACCOMMODATING THE DRAINAGE, UH, HOW WE ARE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAYS AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND HOW WE ARE CREATING THOSE EASEMENTS FOR THE USE OF EDMOND ELECTRIC IF THEY HAVE TO SERVE THIS PROPERTY. ALSO, IF THE SITE MEETS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENT FOR ACCESS PURPOSES. SO CURRENTLY THE SITE IS, WILL BE SERVED BY TWO DRIVEWAYS AND THOSE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION, MEET THE INTERSECTION SEPARATION REQUIREMENT AND, AND MEET THE CITY ACCESS REQUIREMENT FOR DRIVER SEPARATION. THERE, UH, THE SITE HAS ACCESS TO PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER LINE [00:15:01] ALONG CO WELL AND ALONG COAL DRAIN AS WELL AS THE SITE AS ACCESS TO PUBLIC WATER LINE. THE WATER LINE SYSTEM WILL BE LOOPED SYSTEM AS PER THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. UH, AND AS WELL AS WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THE DETENTION WHILE WE ARE PROVIDING ONSITE DETENTION. SO MAKING SURE THAT WHEN OUR SITE DEVELOPS IN THE FUTURE, IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT TO ANY ADJACENT ROADWAY SYSTEM, DRAINAGE SYSTEM THERE. AND WE'LL COMPLY WITH THE CITY TITLE 23, UH, DRAINAGE ORDINANCE THERE TOO. UH, THE FLOOD PLAIN AREA, WE ARE NOT IMPACTING THE FLOOD PLAIN AREA. WHAT YOU SEE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THERE, UH, THEY'LL BE PRESERVED WITH WHATEVER THE EXISTING VEGETATION TREE SYSTEM AND GRASS AREA IS. UH, WE ARE NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE CONVEYANCE OF A STORM WATER, WHICH IS AS PART OF THE TRIBUTARY SYSTEM FOR COFFEE CREEK, WHICH RUNS FLOW FLOWS FROM SOUTHWEST DIRECTION TO NORTHEAST DIRECTION THERE. UH, BESIDES THAT ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT, AND TODD EARLIER MENTIONED IT TOO, THAT IF AND WHEN CITY DECIDE TO TAKE ON THIS RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS INTERSECTION, THEY ARE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY. AND IF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT PLATTED, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY THERE. SO IT IS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY. IF THIS PLA IF THIS PROPERTY IS PLA WILL WORK WITH THE CITY INJURING AND PROVIDE THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH YOU WILL REQUIRE TO RECONSTRUCT THIS INTERSECTION AND IMPROVE CORAN WIDENING OF COLTRAN AND COWELL ROAD, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. UH, QUICK QUESTION. UH, THIS LITTLE AREA I BROUGHT MY, UH, LITTLE, I LOVE THIS THING. UH, THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE, UH, THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE, IS THAT PART OF YOUR PLAN TO, UM, WIDEN IT THAT FAR? AND IF NOT, CAN IT, UH, COME ON THE, UH, THE NORTH SIDE? I MEAN, CAN I, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE FOUR LANE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT, UH, GOES INTO ONE LANE RIGHT THERE. CAN THAT, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO, UH, INCLUDE THAT PINK AREA, RIGHT? SO WE ARE EXTENDING THE EASTBOUND AND UH, UH, BJ HAWKINS CAN ELUDE IT MORE ON IT, BUT BASED ON GRAPHIC, WHAT YOU ARE SEEING, WE ARE EXTENDING THE EASTBOUND THROUGH LANE TO ALLOW ANY EASTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE WAITING TO ENTER INTO THE PROPERTY THERE. SO YOU WILL HAVE CONTINUOUS TWO LANE SECTION INTO THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION AS WELL AS IN EASTBOUND DIRECTION TO A POINT. AND THE REASON I SAY TO A POINT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION OF COEN AND COLTRANE, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE EASTBOUND LANE. SO IT, IT, IT WOULD NOT WORK IF WE ARE TO EXTEND THE TWO THROUGH LANE ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSECTION THERE BECAUSE THE OUTER EASTBOUND LANE HAS TO MERGE INTO THE E INTO THE INSIDE EASTBOUND LANE TO APPROACH TO THE INTERSECTION THERE. SO YEAH, WE ARE EXTENDING THE TWO LANE ROAD SECTION IN BOTH DIRECTION WESTBOUND AS WELL AS EASTBOUND. OKAY. UM, I HAD A QUESTION BUT I FORGOT WHERE IT WAS. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOKED AT ALL OF, UH, THE 17 NEIGHBORHOOD WALMART'S, UH, MARKETS IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY AREA AND ALL OF THEM ARE ON FOUR LANE ROADS AND, UH, SO I MEAN THIS WOULD HAVE TO, UH, BE FOUR LANE AND BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IS LESS THAN FOUR. LOT OF WHAT THE, UH, UH, THE CORNERS ARE. UH, THE STORES ARE LOCATED ON FOUR LANE ROADS, FIVE LANE ROADS, SIX LANE ROADS, UH, SOME OF THEM HAVE THREE, BUT THEY'RE ON SIDE ROADS. AND I JUST THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE, IT SHOULDN'T BE AN EXCEPTION TO, UH, TO THE RULE OF WHERE, WHERE THE OTHERS ARE BUILT AS WELL. UM, AND ALSO YOU, YOU DID SAY THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAYS, SO AS THE STREETS ARE DEVELOPED, THEY WOULD BE WIDENED, UH, TO, UH, THE NECESSARY WIDTH. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. UH, I AT THIS TIME OKAY, AT THIS TIME WHAT YOU HAVE IS A PRELIMINARY PLANS, UH, UH, PREPARED BY THE CITY. UH, AND BASED ON THAT INFORMATION WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF TO GIVE ADDITIONAL [00:20:01] RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BJ HAWKINS, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS 27 70 WASHINGTON DRIVE. SO WE CAN, WE WERE CONTRACTED TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ON THE SITE AS WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT EDMOND THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND DEMEN ACROSS THE US. YOU FOLLOW THE SAME RULES. WE COLLECTED THE EXISTING TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTIONS, THE STUDY INTERSECTIONS PROJECTED THE TRAFFIC TO THE FUTURE BUILDOUT DATE OF THE DEVELOPMENT GENERATED ALL THE TRAFFIC FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT ALL THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE STUDY INTERSECTIONS. SO THE INTERSECTION CURRENTLY OPERATES AT A LEVEL SERVICE C IN THE A MP TOWER AND A D DURING THE PMP TOWER. ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO ADD THE, UM, SITE TRAFFIC ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE STARTED IN THE INITIAL PROCESS, WHICH INCLUDES THE SOUTHBOUND LANE ON COLTRANE AND ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONTAGE OF THE SITE, AND THEN A WESTBOUND LANE ON COVEL. THEN THROUGHOUT ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY, THEY PINPOINTED SOME ADDITIONAL AREAS THAT NEEDED WIDENING AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME TO EXTEND THE WESTBOUND THROUGH LANE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONTAGE SITE TO MATCH UP WITH THE EXISTING FOUR LANE SECTION TO THE WEST, THEN CREATE ITS OWN DEDICATED WESTBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE AT THE DRIVE ON COVEL AS WELL AS A NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN AT THE DRIVEWAY ON COLTRANE. BUT THERE WAS SOME CON SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE LEFT TURN LANE AT THE DRIVE ON COVEL. SO AS MOHAMED WAS POINTING OUT, THEY DECIDED TO EXTEND THE DR THE EASTBOUND COVELL LANES TO THE EAST SO THAT IT CREATES A PASSING LANE FOR ANY CARS THAT MAY BE STOPPED TRYING TO TURN LEFT INTO THE SITE. SO THERE IS, AS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY CONTROL ALL THE, THE GEOMETRY OF THE ROADWAYS, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CITY TO HELP ENSURE THAT ALL THE TRAFFIC FLOWS AT LEAST AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN AS DOES TODAY. SO WITH THE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS AND EVERYTHING, THE OVERALL INTERSECTION'S GONNA OPERATE BETTER DURING THE AM AND PM PEAK HOURS AND THE OVERALL INTERSECTION BETTER DURING THAT PEAK HOUR THAN IT DOES CURRENTLY TODAY WITH THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, THE ROADWAY WIDENING AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SIGNAL THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. OKAY. I DID A QUEUING ANALYSIS AT THE DRIVEWAY ON COVEL. THE AM PEAK HOUR IS THE 95TH PERCENTILE QUEUE LENGTH, WHICH IS, UH, 95% OF THE TIME IT'S GOING TO QUEUE UP TO THAT OR LESS IS 17 FEET DURING THE AM PEAK HOUR, WHICH IS LESS THAN ONE CAR AT ANY GIVEN TIME, AND THEN 50 FEET IN THE PM PEAK HOUR, WHICH IS TWO CARS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR VEHICLES TO GET ON THE OUTSIDE LANE AND GO AROUND ANY VEHICLES THAT MAY QUEUE. THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING ON THE, UH, SOUTHBOUND ON COVE, I MEAN ON COLTRANE, UH, SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? I I KNOW IT'S OUT OF YOUR PLAT, BUT NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE BECAUSE NONE OF THIS IS GONNA CHANGE, RIGHT? NO, UNFORTUNATELY YOU'RE CONSTRICTED BY THE, THE UTILITY OBSTACLE ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT IS, YOU KNOW, OUT OF, IT'S NOT PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL. OKAY. I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. UM, IS THE ROADWAY AT BOTH OF THE ENTRANCES TO THE SITE, IT LOOKS TO BE FOUR LANES WHERE THEY'RE BOTH ENTRANCES ARE IS THE ONE NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND THAT ENTRANCE? LET'S SEE. MM-HMM . THAT ONE IS, IS THAT FOUR LANES RIGHT THERE? THAT IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE, SO IT'S GONNA BE TWO LANES SOUTHBOUND BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE WIDENING ALONG THE FRONTAGE TO CREATE TWO SOUTHBOUND LANES ALL THE WAY TO COVE AND THEN ONE ONE THROUGH LANE NORTHBOUND AND THEN A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE THAT'S GONNA BE CREATED OUT OF THE WIDENING. OKAY. IT IT TO BE, ONCE THAT IS THERE, THIS WOULD BE ROUGHLY THE WIDTH OF FOUR LANES, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YOU ARE CORRECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF TO CLARIFY ANYTHING? OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, IT'S TIME FOR THAT. AND I WANT TO, UH, JUST REITERATE TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS, UH, SOLELY FOR THE PLAT, UM, AND NOT ZONING OR THE SITE PLAN OR THEIR BUSINESS PLAN. AND SO IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, KEEP YOUR, UH, [00:25:02] COMMENTS LIKE THAT AND WOULD YEAH, I AM, UH, GO AHEAD AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. I AM WARREN BARNHARDT 29 73. EXCUSE ME. PONTY CROSSING AKA LOT. SEVEN. ALL RIGHT. I LOOK RIGHT DOWN THE DRIVEWAY PROPOSED. OKAY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR TERM, PLATT. I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. THE RED LINE EXTENDING BEHIND MY PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET TERMINATES IN A DRIVEWAY. ALRIGHT, I'M REQUESTING THAT DRIVEWAY BE MOVED BECAUSE THAT DRIVEWAY LOOKS RIGHT INTO MY WINDOWS. THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE. I WILL SIT DOWN. OKAY. I'LL WRITE THAT DOWN AND WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, APPLICANT A ADDRESS THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES SIR. THANKS. SORRY, I DON'T KNOW SHORTHAND . THAT'S ALRIGHT. OKAY. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S BARRY BLACK. I'M THE HOA PRESIDENT FOR ASHFORD OAKS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH YOU THIS EVENING. UM, I WAS LOOKING UP THE PLAT REVIEW PROCESS IN, UH, ORDINANCE 26 96, AND IT STATES THE OBJECTIVES FOR THIS PROCESS IS TO ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT HAS A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA, THE SAFETY OF SURROUNDING RESIDENTS, AND PRODUCES A BENEFICIAL IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE. IT GOES ON TO STATE THAT INGRESS AND EGRESS SHALL BE DESIGNED TO PROMOTE SAFE, EFFICIENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND MINIMIZE IMPACT ON ESTABLISHED AREAS. COVAL HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN DESIGNATED AS A MAJOR ARTERIAL IN THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND ORDINANCE 26 96 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES MAJOR ARTERIALS. IT STATES THAT IN THE PLAT REVIEW PROCESS SHALL EMPHASIZE A DESIGN THAT CREATES A SAFE DRIVING EXPERIENCE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ORDINANCE 26 96 WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2002 AND REFERENCE REFERENCES SAFETY IN NEARLY EVERY OBJECTIVE. FAST FORWARD TO 2007, THE CITY'S TRAFFIC CONTROL MANAGEMENT POLICY STATED THAT ATTENTION MUST BE GIVEN TO THE PROJECT'S IMPACT ON TRAFFIC. WE SEE THAT AGAIN IN EDMOND'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOUR, WHICH REQUIRES CONSIDERATION OF FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. THE NEED TO CONSIDER FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS RECOGNIZED BY, UH, BOB MEYER, THE FORMER CITY PLANNER WHEN HE ADDRESSED THE CITY COUNTS OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN DECEMBER, 2012, SAYING THAT A COVE IS A PARKWAY STANDARD ROAD AND IT WILL REQUIRE THAT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. NOW WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS PLAN IS BASICALLY IDENTICAL TO THE LAST PLAN. AND IN THE LAST PLAN, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER, WHICH IS DATED JULY OF 2014. FIGURE SEVEN OF THAT PLAN INDICATES THAT 40% OF THE INBOUND TRIPS WILL BE FROM EASTBOUND TRAFFIC ON COVE TURNING LEFT INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY, CROSSING ONCOMING TRAFFIC. FIGURE SEVEN ALSO STATES THAT 20% OF THE TRIPS LEAVING WILL TURN LEFT OUTTA THEIR DRIVEWAY, CROSS ONCOMING TRAFFIC TO GO EAST ON COVEL. THESE UNPROTECTED LEFT HAND TURNS ARE CLEARLY A SAFETY HAZARD AND ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE CITY'S MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN. THAT PUBLISHED PLAN DEFINES A MAJOR ARTERIAL LIKE COVEL AS A FOUR LANE ROAD WITH FOUR-LANE ROAD, WITH A RAISED UNBROKEN MEDIAN SPECIFICALLY TO PREVENT LEFT-HAND TURNS. WHEN THE PROJECT WAS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER OF 2014, STEVE MANIC, THE CITY ENGINEER AT THE TIME, SAID THAT THE CRITICAL CRITICAL ISSUE FOR THIS SAME PLAN WAS ITS ACCESS FROM COVE. HE SAID, COLTRANE, THE MINOR STREET COULD BETTER ACCOMMODATE THE TURNING TRAFFIC NOT COVE. NOW THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE IN 2014, A DECADE LATER IN JUNE OF 2024, THE GO BOND PROJECT PROPOSAL THAT WAS PUBLISHED BY THE CITY STATED THAT TRAFFIC AT COVE AND COLTRANE HAD INCREASED 100% SINCE 2014. AT THAT TIME, THE CITY ENGINEER WROTE THAT THE COVE AND COLTRANE PROJECT WILL PROVIDE QUOTE TWO THROUGH LANES WITH MEDIANS. HE ALSO STATED THE PROJECT LIMITS WOULD BEGIN 3,200 FEET WEST OF COLTRANE ON COVE. THERE'S JUST NO ROOM FOR THIS INTERSECTION FOR THE CITY'S COVE PARKWAY PLAN. AND THIS PLAN, UM, COVE'S DESIGN IS A FOUR LANE ROAD WITH RAISED MEDIANS TO PREVENT THOSE UNPROTECTED LEFT HAND TURNS HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED FROM SANTA FE TO BROADWAY. THERE ARE NO UNPROTECTED LEFT HAND TURNS INTO ANY BUSINESS, NOT CROSSINGS, CHURCH ER'S GROCERY, WALGREENS, THE POST OFFICE RCB BANK, ALL THE WAY TO PHILLIPS 66. AND THE SAME IS TRUE FROM I 35 TO FAIRFAX ESTATES. THERE ARE NO UNPROTECTED LEFT HAND TURNS INTO STARBUCKS BRAS, MCDONALD'S, OR EVEN THE NEW COVILLE CROSSING UNPROTECTED TURNS HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED FOR ANY [00:30:01] OTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THIS IMPROVED PARKWAY. AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED HERE. THE TWO ROADS FROM SANTA FE AND I 35, THAT PARKWAY WILL CONVERGE AT COVE AND COLTRANE. THAT'S SET FORTH IN THE 2025 STRATEGIC PLAN. THAT PLAN STATED OBJECTIVE IS TO PURSUE ADVANCEMENT OF THE COVE PARKWAY WITH SPECIAL EMPHASIS ON INTERSECTIONS. NOT YET FULLY WIDENED. THAT'S THE INTERSECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN TELLS US FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SECTION 5.2, THAT ELIMINATING PRIVATE COMMERCIAL DRIVES, COMMERCIAL DRIVES FOR ONLY ONE BUSINESS, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION COST THE CITY NOTHING WHILE INCREASING ROAD CAPACITY BY 50%, THEREBY ALLOWING A FOUR LANE ROAD TO FUNCTION AS A SIX LANE ROAD WITH NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THE TAXPAYER. IT STATES DENYING COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS ON MAJOR ARTERIALS LIKE COVE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN ORDER TO MANAGE CONGESTION OPTIMIZED SAFETY AND PROMOTE TRAFFIC FLOW. GO BACK TO 2012 WHEN BOB SCHER MEYER WAS HERE, STEVE MANIC IN 2014, THE TRAFFIC CONTROL MANAGEMENT POLICY PLAN FOUR, THE MASTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THE GO BOND PROPOSAL, AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN FROM JUST LAST YEAR ALL RECOGNIZED THAT UNPROTECTED LEFT HAND TURNS ARE A SAFETY HAZARD AND DO NOT COMPORT WITH COVE'S PARKWAY DESIGN, WHICH CALLS FOR RAISED UNBROKEN MEDIANS. THEREFORE, THIS PLAN ENCOURAGES AND EVEN ANTICIPATES LEFT HAND TURNS AT THE END OF THE PINK. I I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT A LASER, BUT, UH, WHERE THEIR LEFT HAND TURN IS, UH, AT THE EDGE OF THE ASHFORD OAKS EDITION, THEY ANTICIPATE THOSE TERMS AND THAT'S IN, UM, COMPLETE OPPOSITION TO THE, TO THE PARKWAY. AND I SUGGEST THIS PLAT BE DENIED. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. SOMEONE ELSE? YES, SIR. TAYLOR WILSON. 7 4 8 DUNE CIRCLE. UM, I JUST SIMILAR TO THAT IS, IS THAT IF DO WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE ON SECOND STREET AT BRADFORD, I THINK HAS PUT THOSE TEMPORARY, IF THAT'S, IF THIS IS GONNA BE APPROVED, I AGREE FULLY WITH WHAT WAS JUST STATED RELATIVE THAT IT SHOULDN'T, BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE ANY ALLOW ANY LEFT TURNS INTO EITHER ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS. ALSO, I WOULD JUST ASK VERIFY THE CITY HAS RECEIVED THE VOLUME CALCULATIONS RELATIVE TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY. DID THEY USE, WHERE'S THEIR SOURCE OF THAT DATA? WAS IT THE DEVELOPER OR WALMART OR WHERE, BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME NUMBERS AND WHAT WAS USED IN THE CALCULATIONS SO THAT WE CAN VALIDATE, UM, THAT NUMBER. AND THEN LASTLY, UH, STATED EARLIER, I AGREE WITH WHAT, UH, MR. MCGINNIS SAID RELATIVE TO THE FUNDING, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDING, PARTLY BECAUSE THE CITY GAVE MONEY TO DEVELOPERS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SHOWS INSTEAD OF DOING THIS CORNER OR AT LEAST HALF OF THIS CORNER OR A QUARTER OF THIS CORNER RELATIVE TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MIKE MCGINNESS, 20 S 17 ASHBROOK PLACE. UH, IT WAS, UH, STATED IN A COUPLE OF TIMES FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THE SOUTHBOUND LANES ON COLT ON COLTRANE WOULD HAVE TWO SOUTHBOUND LANES AND THE NORTHBOUND BASICALLY TWO GOING NORTHBOUND. WHAT HE FAILED TO SAY IS THE RIGHT HAND LANE IS GONNA BE RIGHT HAND ONLY, BECAUSE ONCE HE GETS TO THE INTERSECTION, IT CAN'T GO STRAIGHT. JUST TO THE EAST OF HERE WHERE COVELL HAS BEEN WIDENED AND STOPS AT FAIRFAX, THE SAME THING'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE. IT'S A RACETRACK ON TWO LANES GOING WESTBOUND. EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS RIGHT TURN ONLY PEOPLE, INVARIABLY I DRIVE IT EVERY DAY, WILL COME UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE, BLOW THROUGH THE STOP SIGN OR STOPLIGHT AND EXPECT TO GET OVER INTO THE LEFT HAND LANE. SAME THING'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE WITH THIS RIGHT TURN LANE. IT SERVES NO PURPOSE AT ALL OTHER THAN ALLOWING THAT RIGHT TURN. THE OTHER THING IS THEY COME UP TO WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS, THEY'RE, UH, ENACTMENT IN THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH. IT SHOWS THAT LANE GOING STRAIGHT, THAT RIGHT TURN LANE, GOING STRAIGHT AGAIN. IT SETS, SETS UP A RACE TRACK AS YOU'RE GOING WESTBOUND. IT JOINS UP WITH THE RIGHT TURN LANE INTO ASHFORD OAKS. AND I SEE THAT THERE TOO. PEOPLE TRY TO PASS WHEN SOMEONE'S GOING TOO SLOW, THEY GET TO THE TOP OF THAT HILL AND THE ROAD RUNS OUT HERE. AGAIN, ANOTHER TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE COMING EASTBOUND ON COVE. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WIDENING. WHAT IS A, BASICALLY AN ACCELERATION LANE COMING OUT OF FAIR CLOUD, EXTENDING IT FURTHER SO PEOPLE CAN [00:35:01] GO AROUND, SOMEONE STOPPING TO TURN LEFT. THAT SAME THING HAPPENS AT THE ENTRANCE TO ASH, UH, ASHFORD OAKS. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A RIGHT TURN LANE. ONLY WHEN YOU STOP TO TURN LEFT, THE PEOPLE FLY OVER THAT HILL, GO AROUND YOU LEAVING A BLIND SPOT FOR THE PEOPLE BEHIND THEM. IT'S SAME THING'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEONE STOPPING FOR A LEFT TURN, PEOPLE GOING AROUND THEM, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IT BACKS UP ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP OF THE HILL IN PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS, MORNING AND NIGHT. I DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS SPEND ANY TIME AT THIS INTERSECTION, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A DISASTER EVEN ON WEEKENDS. BUT EXTENDING THAT THERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME THING. PEOPLE COMING UP BEHIND, SOMEONE STOPPING TO TURN LEFT, THEY'RE GONNA ZIP AROUND. IF THEY CAN GET A LEFT TURN LANE, ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S MORE PEOPLE COMING BEHIND HIM. IT'S GONNA BE A COMPLETE REPEAT. UH, WHAT HE ALSO OUGHT TO KNOW IS THAT, UH, NOT LONG BEFORE I MOVED IN THERE IN 2013, A YOUNG MAN WAS SITTING, WAITING TO TURN LEFT INTO ASHFORD OAKS. SOMEONE WENT AROUND HIM AND A TRUCK CAME BEHIND HIM AND KNOCKED HIM RIGHT THROUGH THAT WALL. SO THIS IS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ALAN VAN HORN, 26 42. UH, NEY CROSSING. I'M NOT GONNA REITERATE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, I JUST WANTED TO MAYBE, UH, UH, COMMENT ON THE FACT THAT EDMUND IS, UH, ACTIVELY DEVELOPING THE SHOPS AT COVELL. UH, THAT'S GREAT. IT'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN FOR GROWTH. UH, THAT'S GONNA DRIVE MORE TRAFFIC FROM THE EAST ON THE SAME ROAD, UM, AS THOSE BECOME AVAILABLE. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DESCRIBED, UH, TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. UM, I, I'D LOVE TO SEE A MUCH MORE DETAILED VIEW OF EXACTLY HOW MANY FEET, SPECIFICALLY IF THIS GETS APPROVED, WHICH I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED AND FOR THE SAFETY HAZARDS. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE A VERY SPECIFIC LOOK AT HOW MANY FEET IT IS AND HOW WIDE IT IS. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE LEFT TURNS GOING INTO THAT WALMART GOING, UH, FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST ON, ON, UH, ON, ON COVEL. UH, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BAD INTERSECTION ALREADY AND I AGREE THAT IF THIS IS ALLOWED, THERE'S GONNA BE ACCIDENT ACCIDENTS AND IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM. THANK YOU. YES MA'AM. PAULA MAGGARD 26 0 8 BERRY WAY. UM, MY CONCERN IS THE, AGAIN, AGREE, IT'S GREAT THEY'RE BUILDING UP AT COVE, YOU KNOW, UP BY THE INTERSTATE. TAX DOLLARS ARE NEEDED FOR ANY CITY. THAT'S NOT MY ISSUE. BUT AS THEY'RE BUILDING, MORE PEOPLE FROM THE WEST WANT TO COME EAST TO GO SHOPPING AND THEN THEY NEED TO COME HOME. I EXIT ASHFORD OAKS ONTO COVEL, MY SON, UM, HE'S AUTISTIC. WE GO TO WINGS. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE MOVED TO EDMOND. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT FIVE DAYS A WEEK I AM TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF ASHFORD OAKS ONTO COVE SO I CAN JUST GET TO I 35. TRAFFIC HAS BEEN, AT TIMES BACKED UP TO THE INTERSECTION. EVEN IF NO ONE'S COMING WEST, EXCUSE ME, I CAN'T GET OUT. AND THAT'S NOW BEFORE EVERYTHING'S BUILT. I KNOW SOMEONE'S EVENTUALLY GONNA BUY THAT PLAT AND NEED TO BUILD ON IT. I GET THAT. AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE 40 WHATEVER MILLION DOLLARS MAYBE A BUNCH OF CONTRACTORS CAN GET TOGETHER AND IF THEY REALLY WANNA BUILD STUFF, THEY CAN KICK IN. BUT I DO NOT SEE ANY SAFE WAY FOR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE, NOT JUST TO MAKE A LEFT HAND INTO WHATEVER'S BUILT ON THAT PLAT. DO YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT VERY MANY FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION. HOW IN THE WORLD ARE THEY GONNA MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUT ON COVELL WHEN MANY TIMES I ALREADY CAN'T GET OUT MULTIPLE FEET DOWN THE ROAD? AGAIN, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ALL THE DETAILS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT FIVE DAYS A WEEK, IF YOU COULD JUST, I DO THIS ADDRESS, THE COMMISSIONER THANK YOU. AT EIGHT IN THE MORNING AND YOU CAN'T, IT DOESN'T WORK NOW. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED YET? [00:40:02] JUDY RUTLEDGE AND I LIVE AT 2312 EAST COVE BELL. SO MY PROPERTY IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BRICK WALL OF ASHFORD OAKS. I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM TRYING TO GET, MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ON COVELL TO GO WEST. UM, YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE TRAFFIC. 20 CARS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ENGINEERS DO IT, BUT THEY PLACE THE LIGHTS SO THAT THE CARS ARE CONSTANT. THERE'S NOT A SPOT, SO YOU DO HAVE TO WAIT. IT'S NOT SAFE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. NOTHING'S BEEN SAID ABOUT THE TRUCKS COMING INTO THAT PROPERTY. YOU CANNOT, IF YOU ARE GOING WEST ON COVE, YOU CANNOT MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN AND GO NORTH ON COLTRANE. THERE IS A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS NO TRUCKS, IT ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN. I, AND THEN I, THE NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT THE TRUCKS COMING AND GOING AND THERE HAS TO BE, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THOSE TRUCKS. I CAN'T SEE EITHER, UH, EITHER OPTION ON COLTRANE OR COVELL FOR THAT TO BE POSSIBLE. THAT'S JUST THE PLAT, THAT'S JUST THE ROAD I'VE LIVED IN ON THAT ADDRESS. AUGUST WILL BE 50 YEARS. NO ONE HAS ADDRESSED THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COMES IN FROM ALL FOUR DIRECTIONS. I'VE LIVED THERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THAT CREEK, UH, WASHED OUT AS WELL AS THE CREEK ON THE WEST END OF COVEL. BEFORE YOU GET TO BRYANT WASHED OUT, I WOULD THINK THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT. BUT YOU HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE WATER. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE WAS A WATER RESCUE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO AT COVEL AND COLTRANE AND THE CAR, I BELIEVE WITH A MAN IN IT FLOATED TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. SO THIS TO ME HAS JUST BEEN SAID. IT IS TOO DANGEROUS AND THERE'S TOO MANY THINGS THAT COME TO PLAY 'CAUSE WATER COMES FROM ALL FOUR DIRECTIONS. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS HAVE A BLESSED DAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY, UH, THANK YOU. MY NAME'S MATT FARLEY, 27 0 8 ASHBROOK PLACE. IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL UP THE AERIAL PHOTO ONE MORE TIME? I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT'S MY HOME AT THE VERY TOP THERE IN THE MIDDLE. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY PERSONAL TO ME. UM, GONNA KEEP IT TO THE PLAT DISCUSSION. I THINK THE CREW HERE HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING, UH, THE SITUATION. IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED ROAD SITUATION AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPERS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SOME PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN THE AREA WOULD DO A LOT OF GOOD FOR THE ROADS THERE. BUT IT EXCLUDES THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ALSO ADDING A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT'S GONNA HAVE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, WHICH THE ENTRANCE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED YARDS FROM MY HOUSE WHERE MY CHILDREN PLAY. UH, IT'S SEMI TRUCKS, IT'S LATE NIGHTS OF DELIVERIES AND IT'S A LOT OF LIGHT POLLUTION AND NOISE POLLUTION IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS MISSING FROM THE PACKETS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US, UM, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PULL ONLINE. UH, ITEM SIX ACKNOWLEDGED A FEMA FLOODPLAIN. AS YOU BEGINNING TO MENTION, UH, THE WAY THE WORDING IS WRITTEN IS IT SHALL COMPLY WITH TITLE 23 IS MY UNDERSTANDING. THIS IS WRITTEN IN THE FUTURE TENSE AND IS WRITTEN MORE AS A PROMISE THAN AN ACTUAL PLAN. THERE IS NO DRAINING STUDY DRAINAGE STUDY THAT WAS INCLUDED, UH, WITHIN THE PLAT. TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE IS NO SITE DISTANCE ANALYSIS. THERE'S NO RIGHT OF WAY. DEDICATION IS DEFERRED TO THE FINAL PLAT AS OPPOSED TO INCLUDING IT IN THIS PLAT PROPOSAL. AND THE ONG GAS INFRASTRUCTURE ADJACENT TO THE SITE IS NOT MENTIONED AT ALL. YOU ALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DENY THIS, AND I'M SURE MANY PEOPLE HERE TODAY, INCLUDING MYSELF, ANTICIPATE THAT IF THAT HAPPENS, IT WILL BE APPEALED AND IT WILL END UP IN A COURTROOM. THANKFULLY, WE HAVE PRECEDENT ON OUR SIDE AND I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THIS IN OUR, IN MY, UH, NOTES. YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH JUDGE OGDEN'S 2022 RULING IN THE ARCADIA PEAK CASE THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO DENY A PLAT. AND IN DOING SO, IT IS NOT ARBITRARY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [00:45:01] THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS CHRIS BURTON. I LIVE AT 32 0 1 ST. FERGUS DRIVE. I'M A FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA IN FAIRFAX AND MY WIFE IS A CURRENT BOARD MEMBER AND COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. UH, MY COMMENT TONIGHT IS WHAT I HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPER'S ATTORNEY THAT ONLY PRIVATE INVESTMENT WILL HELP IMPROVE THIS INTERSECTION. THEN I HEARD THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT SAY IT WILL WORK AS GOOD AS OR BETTER. AND SO I DID NOT HEAR A COMMITMENT TO THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE INTERSECTION. THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FOR OVER A DECADE, THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT IT. PLEASE DENY IT. THANK YOU. I JUST, UH, ED MOORE 2 7 1 1 ASH CREEK DRIVE. JUST LIKE, LIKE TO UH, REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID, THERE HAS BEEN NO PRECEDENT IN OKLAHOMA CITY AREA WHERE THEY'VE EVER BUILT A NEIGHBORHOOD WALMART ON ESSENTIALLY A TWO LANE ROAD. AND, UH, AND I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A BASIC, BASIC FACT. THEY NEVER HAVE DONE THAT. AND EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE TRYING TO RIG THIS, THEY'RE ALWAYS FOUR LANE ROADS OR GREATER, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WALMART. IT'S ESSENTIALLY SIX LANES, EITHER DIRECTION TO TURN INTO OFF OF, UH, OFF OF SECOND STREET. BUT THE THING I WANNA REALLY ADDRESS IS DRIVING HABITS. I HAPPEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAPPEN TO USE THE, UH, THE NORTH ENTRANCE TO, INTO ASHFORD OAKS. AND IT IS THREE LANE BECAUSE OF THE TURN LANES INTO FAIRFAX EXCEEDS GO PAST THE ENTRANCE. IT GOES UP QUITE A WAYS. WELL, WHEN I TRY TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE BACK STACK UP BEHIND ME AND I SIGNAL WELL ADVANCED TO LET THEM KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE GOING, THAT I'M MAKING A TURN. BUT THE HABITS OF PEOPLE ARE, THEY STAY IN THE MAIN DRIVE, THEY STAY IN THE MAIN LANE AND THEY, WELL NOT, YOU WON'T SEE IT UP THERE, I'M WAY UP NORTH. UH, BUT THEY'LL STAY IN THAT LANE AND THEY WON'T SWITCH OVER FOR A BRIEF MOMENT SO THEY CAN KEEP ON GOING AND GET INTO A TERM LANE HAS BEEN EXTENDED. IT DOES END PRETTY QUICK UP THERE. BUT THE DRIVING HAPPENS TO PEOPLE, PEOPLE MAKING LEFT HAND TURN. MOST PEOPLE DO NOT MAKE A TURN BECAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS. AND YOU GOTTA HAVE JUST TO, FOR PEOPLE TO MAKING LEFT HAND TURN SO THEY'LL STAY IN THAT MAIN LANE. BACK UP TRAFFIC. OKAY, THANK YOU. LET'S HAVE, UH, ONE MORE PLEASE. UH, MY NAME'S CHRIS COTY AND I'M AT 2 9 0 1 ASPER PLACE. UM, WE'VE UH, HEARD MANY GOOD REASONS AS TO WHY THIS SHOULD NOT PROCEED AND I WANT TO SUPPORT THAT WITH ADDITIONAL, WE'VE HEARD HOW THERE'S NO UNPROTECTED LEFT-HAND TURN LANES IN THIS CORRIDOR. WE'VE HEARD, UH, LITERALLY ALL OF OKLAHOMA CITY HAS NOT ONE WALMART NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET WITHOUT FOUR LANES ADJACENT. WE, WE, WE HEARD EARLIER FROM A, A COMMENT THAT SAID THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE FUNDS TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION. ONLY PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT CAN IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION. WELL, BY THAT LOGIC, THAT'S LIKE ME HAVING A WATER MAIN LEAKING IN FRONT OF MY HOME. AND THE ONLY WAY FOR THAT TO GET FIXED IS 'CAUSE THE CITY CAN'T AFFORD IT, IS TO HAVE A PRIVATE DEVELOPER BUILT A WATERPARK NEAR MY BACKYARD THAT, THAT MAIN SUPPORTS. UM, FOR THOSE REASONS, A LOT OF THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. WE COULD GET INTO ORDINANCES, WE COULD GET INTO QUALITY OF LIFE, WE COULD GET INTO CONTINUITY OF THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES. UM, BUT FOR REASONS THAT MANY OF OUR CITIZENS HAVE OUTLINED TONIGHT, I ASK FOR YOU TO, UH, DECLINE THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK, UH, IF THERE'S NOT ANYMORE, ONE MORE. WIL GR BACHER, UH, 24 0 9 ASHCROFT CIRCLE. I'VE LIVED IN ASHCROFT ASHFORD OAKS FOR 26, 27 YEARS. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS BACKED UP FROM THAT INTERSECTION OF COLTRANE AND COVE NOW EXCEEDS THE INTERSECTION ENTRY OFF COVE. EVEN YESTERDAY, I SAT THERE FOR MULTIPLE MINUTES WAITING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE, TWO IS SOMEONE MENTIONED A, A RACETRACK BASICALLY CONDITION THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO OCCUR AND IT WILL AND WILL GET EVEN WORSE WITH EVEN MORE DEVELOPMENT HERE. ALSO, I TRAVELED TO TINKER PERIODICALLY AND DID THAT ON A DAILY [00:50:01] BASIS. AND THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD WALMART THERE JUST, UH, NORTH OF SOUTHEAST 59TH OFF SOONER ROAD. AND THAT IS FOUR LANE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THERE, UM, ARE SIGNIFICANT. I WILL PUT IT THAT WAY, OR NEAR MISSES. AND WITH NO DEDICATED LEFT HAND TURN LANE HERE THAT IS PROMISED THAT I UNDERSTAND IF I'M CORRECT, UM, EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM. THE INCREASED, UH, DEVELOPMENT HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION JUST MAKES IT EVEN WORSE. SO IT'S A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU MR. MCGINNIS. WOULD, UH, OH, I'M SORRY, YOU WANT MORE? ONE MORE. IT SAID, SORRY, KATHLEEN LUKE 20 22 69 GRAND NATIONAL. I'M IN STEEPLECHASE AND THE ONLY REASON I REALLY WANTED TO COME UP HERE AGAIN 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD EVERYBODY THAT'S COME UP IS FROM ASHFORD AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY STEEPLE TRACE, WHICH IS JUST NORTH, THE TRAFFIC GETTING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OFF OF COLTRANE IS ALREADY INTENSE. SO I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THAT INTERSECTION AS IT IS WHEN I, IN THE MORNINGS AND THE EVENINGS WITHOUT WIDENING IT TO A REAL INTERSECTION FOR THAT VOLUME COMING THROUGH. SO I JUST WANNA SAY IT'S NOT ONLY ASHFORD NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS REALLY GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MR. MCINNIS. UM, I THINK THE CONCERNS WERE TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC AND UH, IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD, UH, ADDRESS, UH, SAFETY 'CAUSE THAT IS A BIG CONCERN. UH, ALSO ADDRESS THE, UH, UH, POSSIBLE MOVING OF THE DRIVEWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE, UH, WITH THE HOMEOWNER. YOU MIGHT ADDRESS THAT. UM, AND THE, UH, THERE WAS, UH, TALKED ABOUT, UH, DRAINAGE THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE SITE PLAN AND THERE WILL BE MORE, UH, IT WILL BE MORE ADDRESSED IN THE FINAL PLAT. SO UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, YOU CAN. UM, AND ALSO THE SOURCE OF THE, WELL, UH, I MIGHT ASK KEITH LATER ON WHERE THE, UH, NUMBERS FROM THE, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. WHATEVER YOU HAVE, I'M SORRY. AND WHATEVER NOTE YOU HAVE, WELL I, I THINK I WAS RIGHT WHEN I SAID THE ISSUE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC AND THANKFULLY, AND THIS WILL SOUND LIKE A JERK, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ANSWER. WE DON'T RELY ON ANECDOTAL STORIES OR WHEN I WAS A KID, THIS IS HOW I DROVE OR THIS IS WHAT I SAW IN EDMOND 10 YEARS AGO. WE DON'T RELY ON PLANNING DIRECTORS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE JOBS FOR 10 YEARS. WE DON'T RELY ON CITY ENGINEERS WHO NO LONGER WORK HERE. WE RELIED ON ORDINANCES. THAT'S WHAT WE RELY UPON. THAT'S WHAT WE RELY UPON FOR TRAFFIC. THAT'S WHAT WE RELY UPON FOR SPEED LIMITS. THAT'S WHAT WE RELY UPON FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC AND RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AND DRIVEWAY LOCATIONS, IT'S ALL DRIVEN BY OUR ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. AND THERE'S NOT A SINGLE ITEM IN THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT ASKED FOR A VARIANCE FOR ANY ONE OF THOSE ORDINANCES. THAT'S ALL IT IS. THAT'S ALL WE CAN RELY UPON. IF I GOT UP HERE AND SOMEBODY HAD AN APPLICATION EARLIER TONIGHT FOR TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE AND IT SAID HERE, I DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL UNSAFE, THAT'S NOT A REASON TO DENY A PLA OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S DICTATED BY ORDINANCE. IT'S SIMPLY NOT. AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE DRAINAGE, UH, THAT MRS. RUTLEDGE ASK ABOUT, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION AS PART OF OUR PLAT TO NOT ALLOW WATER TO LEAVE OUR SITE AT A GREATER RATE OF SPEED OR GREATER VOLUME THAN EXISTS TODAY. IT WILL BE IMPROVED AS A RESULT OF A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, IT WILL BE IMPROVED. SAME THING I SAID ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE INTERSECTION. I DON'T NEED MR. BLACK TO TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED IN 2014. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE HAVE AN ENGINEER WHO DOESN'T RELY ON ANECDOTAL STORIES. HE RELIES ON STATISTICS AND HE RELIES UPON TRAFFIC PATTERNS. AND HE HAS BEEN TO THE INTERSECTION AND HE CAN TELL ME LIKE HE DID A FEW MINUTES AGO. THERE'S THREE UNPROTECTED LEFT HAND TURNS BETWEEN I 35 AND COLTRANE AND THERE'S GETTING READY TO BE A FOURTH AND THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THERE CANNOT BE. AND WHEN THE CITY OF EDMOND COMES IN, IF THEY EVER DO AND IMPROVES THAT INTERSECTION, THEY WILL TAPER THAT TURN LANE TO THE NORTH AND EVERY OTHER DIRECTION AND THERE WILL BE A MEDIAN THAT PUSHES BACK. AND IT COULD BE THAT THE ACCESS GOING INTO THAT LOCATION, NOT THAT VENDOR, THAT LOCATION WILL BE PROTECTED RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT THAT HAPPENS ALL OVER EDMOND. WE'VE SEEN IT AFTER THE FACT. YOU CAN GO TO SECOND AND BRYANT WHERE YOU CAN TURN INTO QDOBA. NOW YOU CAN'T [00:55:01] TURN LEFT AT CERTAIN LOCATIONS BECAUSE THE CITY CHANGED THEIR POLICY AND MODIFIED THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS. BUT TODAY WHAT WE RELY UPON ARE THE ORDINANCES THAT EXIST AND AS IT EXISTS TODAY WE HAVE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION AND AS IT EXISTS TODAY WE'RE BUILDING EXTRA THROUGH LANE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY. SO IT'S FOUR LANE FROM COLTRANE ALL THE WAY WEST. THE WORST STREET IN EDMOND I THINK IS COLTRANE BETWEEN SECOND AND DANFORTH BECAUSE ABOUT EVERY 200 YARDS IT GOES TO TWO LANES AND THREE LANES AND THEN A TURN LANE AND THEN INTO FAITH BIBLE CHURCH AND THEN INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE'S NEVER BEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS COME IN AND BUILT TWO TURN UH, THROUGH LANES THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO CONNECT. SO IT'S FOUR LANE FROM COLTRANE ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST BEFORE WE CAN EVEN SEE IT IN OUR PICTURE. AND IN THE ADDITION OF A TURN LANE INTO THE LOCATION THAT'S IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES. AND SO THE IDEA THAT IT'S LESS OR IT SHOULD BE THIS WAY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE THIS WAY OR I THINK IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY, IS UNFORTUNATELY FOR UH, PROTESTORS BUT FORTUNATE FOR THE APPLICANT THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. AND SO BJ CAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT ALL THE DATA, BUT HERE'S THE REALITY. THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS EXCELLENT ENGINEERS. WE HAVE EXCELLENT ENGINEERS AND THEY REVIEW EVERY APPLICATION THAT WE SUBMIT. AND WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE EXCELLENT PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND FORESTRY AND ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND NOT A SINGLE DEPARTMENT CAME OUT AND SAID, I FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD BE DIFFERENT. EVERY ONE OF THEM SAID WE RECOMMEND IT FOR APPROVAL BECAUSE THERE ARE NO VARIANCES TO THE CODE AND ORDINANCE WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY. AND SO AS SAD OR ARROGANT OR WHATEVER AS THAT SOUNDS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO RELY UPON. JUST LIKE IF I GOT PULLED OVER FOR GOING 45 MILES AN HOUR AND 35 AND I SAY, WELL I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE 45, IT'S SIX LANES HERE. AND THE POLICEMAN WOULD SAY, THAT SIGN RIGHT THERE SAYS 35. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE CAN RELY UPON. AND SO THE IDEA ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, OUR ENGINEER AND THERE'S NOT BEEN ANOTHER ENGINEER COME TO THIS PODIUM THAT SAID ANYTHING DIFFERENT SAYS IT WILL BE BETTER OR AT LEAST AS GOOD AS WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. AND THERE IS A COMMITMENT BECAUSE IF WE GET OUR FINAL PLAT APPROVED AND THIS IS JUST A STEP, THEN WE HAVE TO BUILD IT AND THE CITY HAS TO APPROVE IT AS THOUGH WE BUILT IT EXACTLY TO THE STANDARDS THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF THE PLAT. THERE'S NO PROCESS WHERE WE JUST GO BUILD WHATEVER THE HECK THAT WE WANT. THIS IS A STEP. SO IF THE INTERSECTION AND THE DRIVEWAY LINEMAN IS NOT ATTRACTIVE TO THE CITY OR A RESIDENT COMES TO ENGINEERING AND SAYS, HEY, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MOVE IT 30 FEET TO THE EAST OR TO THE WEST SO THAT HEADLIGHTS DON'T COME IN MY DOOR AND WE CAN MEET THE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION? THAT'S A DIALOGUE WE'LL HAVE BETWEEN PRELIMINARY PLATTING AND FINAL PLATTING. BUT WE'RE DICTATED BY THE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS. THAT IS THE ORDINANCE, THAT IS THE RULE. AND SO WHEN WE COME HERE TONIGHT AND PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF A WALMART, WE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A WALMART. AND I HEARD YOU COMMISSIONER WINTERS TALK ABOUT THE FOUR LANES IN OKLAHOMA CITY. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THIS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. WHEN THE WALMART HUNDRED 64TH WAS BUILT IN WESTERN, THERE WAS TWO LANES WHEN THE SUPER WALMART AT DANFORTH AND SANTA FE WAS BUILT, THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION WAS TWO LANES. WHEN CREST WAS BUILT AT 15TH AND SANTA FE, THAT WAS TWO LANES BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE COMES LATER HERE WE'RE DOING MORE INFRASTRUCTURE THAN'S REQUIRED AND WE'RE DOING IT BEFORE ANYTHING VERTICAL IS BUILT ON THAT SITE. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT'S BUILT ON THAT SITE, TRADER JOE'S, JIMMY JOE'S, WALMART, WE HAVE TO BUILD ALL OF THIS, BUT BEFORE WE CAN EVER TALK ABOUT DOING ANYTHING VERTICAL ON THAT SITE. AND SO I AGREE SOMEDAY HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE FULLY BUILT OUT ALL FOUR LANES. BUT THE REASON IT HASN'T BEEN NOW IS 'CAUSE THE CITY TRULY DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY AND THE WATERLINE, I DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT EXAMPLE WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT. BUT IF WE DIDN'T DO A PLAT AND THAT LAND SAT VACANT LIKE IT IS RIGHT THIS SECOND, AND THE CITY WANTED TO DO THAT INTER INTERSECTION, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WOULD ADD TO THEIR EXPENSE AND WOULD CAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE FROM START TO FINISH THAT GAS GATHERING PLANT AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PICTURE. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S SO EXPENSIVE. THE CITY OF EDMOND IS DOING A SEWER INTERCEPTOR LINE AND EVENTUALLY IN, IF THEY IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION, THEY'VE GOTTA TAKE THE WATER FEATURE THAT'S AT FAIRFAX GOLF COURSE. SO THE GOLF CLUB OF EDMOND IN ORDER TO DO IT. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF FACTORS ON EVERY SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION THAT'S PROHIBITED FROM HAPPENING TODAY. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I REPRESENT THE GOLF CLUB OF EDMOND AND THE CITY'S TALKED TO US ABOUT TAKING THE POND. BUT WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT'S FULLY COMPLIANT THAT ADDRESSES ALL THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT ARE OBJECTIVE AND STATEABLE WITH SOME SORT OF CERTAINTY. [01:00:01] AND WITH THAT IN MIND, I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. IF I DIDN'T ANSWER ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER WINTER, PLEASE POINT IT OUT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ADDRESS IT. IF NOT, I CAN ASK BJ TO COME UP HERE AND ADDRESS THE TECHNICAL DATA. BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, IT'S RUN THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THEY DOUBLE CHECK THE NUMBERS AND THEY CAN CHALLENGE 'EM AND OFTENTIMES THEY DO. AND THEN THE ENGINEERS WORK TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT THE CITY SAYS WE AGREE THAT THAT'S VALID AND DEFENSIBLE. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? I MIGHT JUST, UH, REFER TO KEITH. UH, WHAT IS, UH, DID YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER, DID YOU REVIEW THE WORK? DID YOU, UH, ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT IT WAS, UH, DONE PROPERLY? OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH THE CITY WAS FULLY REVIEWED, THE TIA AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION BACK BETWEEN OUR ENGINE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND THEIR ENGINEER AND IT SEEMS TO BE, AND THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. IN YOUR ESTIMATE, I KNOW I'M NOT GONNA QUOTE YOU, BUT, BUT UH, THE, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK THAT THE TIMING OF ANY TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT ON ANY, YOU KNOW, ON THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE AS FAR AS THE CITY'S PLAN, UH, PROJECTS AND SO FORTH? I COULDN'T GIVE YOU A TIMELINE AT THIS POINT. I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS AND WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT ENGINEER TRYING TO LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT FOR THAT INTERSECTION. AT THIS POINT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DECIDE, DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY, THANKS MR. BRADY. I APPRECIATE. IS UH, IS THAT INTERSECTION ON THE INTELLIGENT TRAFFIC SYSTEM OR IS THERE A PLAN FOR JUST THOSE LIGHTS TO BE IN THE INTERIM? I'M SORRY, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE LIGHTS THEY HAVE ON THE ITS. UM, I CAN GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU AND, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T ANSWER TONIGHT. ANY KNOW THE QUESTIONS TODD? ANY DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT OR, UH, MR. TAP WAS JUST TELLING ME IF THERE WERE RIGHT OF WAY WERE AVAILABLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE CAN BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT SIDE FOR ADDITIONAL LINEAGE. WE DON'T OWN THAT LAND. THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO CONDEMN IT. AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY OWNS 33 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CENTER LINE. THAT'S A STATE LAW. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY LINE IS THAT GOES TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF COVELL. BUT IF, IF THE CITY REQUIRED THAT OF US MOVING FORWARD, THEN THAT'S AN OPTION. BUT, UH, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY AND THE STAFF AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WE JUST DON'T OWN THAT LAND. I THINK THE CITY DOES 'CAUSE THE LANES ARE ONLY 12 FOOT WIDE AND YOU HAVE 33 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY FROM THE CENTER LINE ON BOTH SIDES. SO YEAH, I THINK THEY OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT NOT THE TITLE, THE LAND. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONERS? ANY CLARIFICATIONS, ANYTHING? UH, I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT. UH, UM, THE APPLICANT'S BASICALLY DONE AN INCREDIBLY GOOD JOB OF, OF EXPLAINING VERY QUICKLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE MY WIFE KEEPS ASKING ME WHY DO I DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS? BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS, I GENERALLY END UP GETTING, UH, HATE EMAILS, UH, PEOPLE BASICALLY CALLING, UH, LEAVE NASTY MESSAGES ON MY PHONE. UM, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WHOEVER WAS BREAKING BOTTLES ON MY DRIVEWAY FOR ABOUT THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, THEY QUIT DOING THAT FINALLY. SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE A DUTY TO BASICALLY FOLLOW THE LAW AND THE ORDINANCES ARE THE LAW AND IT IS VERY EASY TO BE SWAYED BY SENTIMENT AND TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR JOB IS NECESSARILY HERE TO DO. AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT A PROJECT, I LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO, I LOOK AT WHAT THE ORDINANCES REQUIRE, AND I LOOK AT WHAT CITY STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THINGS COMPLY. AND AS EVERYONE IS SOMEWHAT AWARE OF, UH, OF THE PENDING LITIGATION, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT THE COURT SAYS PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AS WELL THAT ARE IN THIS POSITION. SO ANYWAY, I KNOW BASED UPON WHAT I ANTICIPATE MY VOTE'S GOING TO BE, UNLESS I END UP CHANGING MY MIND HERE BEFORE I HIT A BUTTON IN A LITTLE WHILE. UH, I KNOW I'M GONNA MAKE SOME OF YOU MAD. I KNOW THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF YOU THAT ARE GOING TO HATE ME. I KNOW THERE'S A FEW OF YOU THAT WAY. CONTACT MY WIFE AND BASICALLY SAY NASTY THINGS. POST THINGS ON FACEBOOK. YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO BECAUSE I, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW I'M NOT MAKING SOME PEOPLE HAPPY, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANNA EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE [01:05:01] TO VOTE OR I HAVE TO VOTE CERTAIN WAYS AT A REGULAR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. SIR, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? UH, ONE MORE PLEASE. YEAH, GO AHEAD. SINCE YOU DIDN'T TALK BEFORE, MY NAME'S MARILYN HARRIS. I LIVE AT 27 17 SPYGLASS HILL ROAD RIGHT ACROSS THE EIGHTH FAIRWAY WHERE I CAN WATCH ALL THIS BUILDING GOING ON. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE GENTLEMAN THERE. YEAH, IF YOU COULD, UH, POINT YOUR COMMENTS TO ME AND GET ON THE, I WANT, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO HIM. WE ARE NOT PROTESTORS. WE LIVE THERE AND AROUND THERE 24 7. SO THEY'RE NOT IDLE COMMENTS THAT WERE SPOKEN HERE TONIGHT FROM THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE THINGS WE LIVE WITH. I UNDERSTAND. UH, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. I'LL GIVE YOU ONE MORE CHANCE. SORRY. GO AHEAD. THAT'LL BE IT. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY COMMENT. ALEXANDER HEWITT, 3, 2 1 6 ASHTON COURT. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT TO IT. THERE'S BEEN TALK THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO GO ON ARE THE ORDINANCES TO FOLLOW. SOME PEOPLE ARE ESPOUSING THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO VOTE ONE WAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT WANT TO BECAUSE THE ORDINANCES ARE BEING FOLLOWED. I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT I DO NOT KNOW IF ORDINANCES PRECLUDE YOU FROM USING LOGIC WHEN UP WHEN APPROVING THIS INITIAL PLAT, THE DOWNHILL NATURE, GOING WESTBOUND ON COVAL AND SOUTHBOUND ON COLTRANE AS INDICATED BEFORE BY OTHER SPEAKERS. BLINDSIDE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING OVER THOSE HILLS. AS TRAFFIC STACKS UP, THERE'S GONNA BE REAR END, UH, ACCIDENTS AS LARGE TRUCKS COME OVER THAT HILL. THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO BREAK TO WATCH OUT FOR THIS TRAFFIC. THAT'S GONNA STACK UP EVEN MORE THAN IT'S ALREADY DOING, TURNING NORTH INTO ASHFORD OAKS. SO PLEASE, LET'S USE LOGIC. I KNOW ORDINANCES TRY TO COVER IT THE BEST THEY CAN, BUT THEY CANNOT COVER EVERY SITUATION IMAGINABLE. SO I, I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE PURVIEW TO INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR JUDGMENT. UM, ALSO THAT ONG INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR PUTTING TRAFFIC RIGHT NEXT TO IT. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, IMMINENT DOMAIN IT FOR THE CITY, BUT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER REQUIREMENTS TO GETTING TRAFFIC WITHIN THREE FEET OF THAT WALL. 'CAUSE THOSE ARE NATURAL GAS VALVES. SO EVEN IF YOU CAN'T GET THE LAND, COULD YOU EVEN REALLY PUT A ROAD THERE? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UH, LET'S, UH, CONSIDER THIS VOTE. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, FOR A VOTE MOTION SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THAT, UH, CONSIDERATION PASS THREE TO ZERO, AND THAT ENDS HERE AT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THEN, UH, NEXT, NEXT STEP WILL BE, UH, THE FINAL PLAT. WE CAN HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION AFTER THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. ALL RIGHT. YOU JUST MADE ONE OF MY PLANS BACK. YEAH, I KNOW. I DID. UH, MR. MCGINNIS, CAN I ASK HIM IF HE THINK YOU ARE RIGHT? IT'S NOT. I DON'T DRINK ANYMORE ANYWAY. OH, MAN. ALL RIGHT. [E. Case No. SP24-00018; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Site Plan application for Edmond U-Haul Storage Building, located at 913 South Broadway. (Amerco Real Estate Company; Ward 3) Consideration of variance to Title 22.6.1(I)(2)(a) "Metal construction allowed" to allow the use of metal panels. Consideration of variance to Title 22.6.5(D)(1), which requires a setback of 90 feet for the east building. The applicant is requesting that the east building setback be reduced to 25 feet along the south property line. Consideration of variance to Title 22.6.5(D)(1) which requires a setback of 90 feet for the east building. The applicant is requesting the east building setback be reduced to 12 feet on the property line west of the building. Consideration of variance to Title 22.6.5 (D)(1) which requires a setback of 78 feet on the west building. The applicant is requesting the West building setback be reduced to 34 feet. ] I THINK WE'LL, UH, WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO, UH, THE NEXT CASE. IT'S, UH, WELL, I'M GONNA ASK HIM IF HE WANTS TO. CASE NUMBER SP 24 0 0 0 1 8 [01:10:02] CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN, UH, EDMUND U-HAUL STORAGE. UM, I HEARD SOME COMMENTS THAT THIS MIGHT BE, UH, CONTINUED. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT IT? YES, SIR. YOUR, UH, WE REQUEST A 30 DAY CONTINUANCE, UH, TALK TO MR. BRIAN EARLIER TODAY IF WE COULD. UH, I BELIEVE MARCH 5TH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO SUBJECT TO YOUR APPROVAL OF THAT MAY 5TH. UH, YEAH, MAY 5TH. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF YOU WANNA MARCH 5TH, THAT'D BE GREAT. 2028. OKAY. UH, I WOULD ASK IF YOU DON'T MIND TO, UH, SEND, UH, KEN AND HE CAN FOLLOW IT UP, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF THE METAL, UH, SIGHTING AND ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE CAN GO LOOK AT IN THE MEANTIME. I, YOU DON'T MIND. CERTAINLY WILL. AND SO, UH, MR. BRYAN HAD SUGGESTED A 60 DAY EXTENSION, AND I ASKED FOR 30 DAYS BECAUSE I, I DROPPED THE BALL. I HAD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT I THOUGHT HAD BEEN COMMUNICATED AND IT HADN'T. SO IT'S AVAILABLE AND I'LL GET IT WITHIN TO HIM WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THAT AND NOT, UH, PUT A STRESS ON THE STAFF ON TIMING. BUT I WILL DO THAT. OKAY. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MATERIAL 'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE VARIANCES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, I NEED A MOTION TO, UH, CONTINUE THIS TO THE MAY 5TH, UH, PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING. MOTION TO EXTEND TO THE MAY 5TH. ALL RIGHT. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THAT, UH, MOTION CARRIED. SO THAT WE WILL, UH, WE WILL HEAR THIS AGAIN ON MAY 5TH, AND IF HE'S NOT READY, WE'LL HEAR IT ON MARCH 5TH. SO, [F. Case No. Z25-00014; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval for a Zoning Map Amendment from “PUD Z23-00007” Bryant Ave and Smiling Hills to “PUD Z25-00014” The Stables at Hallmark, located on Bryant south of 33rd Street, on the jurisdictional boundary with the City of Oklahoma City. (Sun Properties, LLC; Ward 3)] ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 25 0 0 0 1 4. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. UH, THIS IS THE STABLES AT HALLMARK. UH, KEN? YES. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IS APPROXIMATELY NINE ACRES. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF BRYANT AT THE CITY LIMIT LINE WITH OKLAHOMA CITY. NEARBY. ZONING AND USES INCLUDE TO THE WEST ACROSS BRYANT AND TO THE NORTH, ARE ZONE AND DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST ZONE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, BUT IS PLATTED AS COMMON AREA AND CONTAINS FLOODPLAINS TO THE SOUTH AS OKLAHOMA CITY AND APPEARS TO BE BEING REDEVELOPED TO ACCOMMODATE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. EDMOND EDMOND'S CODE UTILIZES A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, SUCH AS THE ONE BEING PROPOSED. THE PUD DESIGN STATEMENT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DETAILS ALLOWED USES WOULD INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, VETERINARIAN, PLACE OF WORSHIP, RETAIL SALES AND SERVICE, EXCLUDING DISPENSARIES AND LIVE WORK BUILDINGS. A MAXIMUM OF 60 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD BE ALLOWED AT A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT UNITS PER BUILDING. THE PD SPECIFIES THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO AGE RESTRICTED 55 PLUS COMMUNITY. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE ONE STORY OR 30 FEET FOR THE INTERIOR BUILDINGS AND BUILDINGS WITHIN 300 FEET OF BRYANT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE STORIES. ACCESS WILL BE FROM BRYANT AT UP TO TWO ACCESS POINTS, AND THE DEVELOPMENT WILL MEET THE LANDSCAPE CODE. WITH THE ADDITIONAL PROVISION THAT THE REQUIRED PLANT UNITS MAY BE MORE UNIFORMLY DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE SITE. THE EDMOND PLAN CATEGORIZES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS S ONE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS PLAN CATEGORY IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND REFLECTS THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT WAS COMMON IN THE 1960S, SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES. THESE AREAS TEND TO HAVE EASY ACCESS TO THE FULL COMPLEMENT OF UTILITIES AND PUBLIC SERVICES DUE TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT LIFECYCLE AND DESIRABILITY. THESE AREAS OFTEN ATTRACT INFILL OR REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY TO HELP ENSURE THAT THESE OPPORTUNITIES CONTRIBUTE TO THE AREA. THE PLAN CALLS FOR DESIGNS THAT ARE SENSITIVE TO NEARBY DEVELOPMENT BY MAKING EFFICIENT USE OF TWO OR THREE STORY BUILDINGS TO LINE ARTERIALS, MINIMIZE SURFACE PARKING LOTS, AND PROVIDE AMPLE LANDSCAPING. AND SCREENING AN AREA IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CATEGORIZED OPEN SPACE, AND WE'D BE LEFT UNDEVELOPED. THE PROPOSED PUD CONFORMS TO THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE APPLICABLE PLAN CATEGORIES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE CITY STAFF? ALL RIGHT, IF THERE'S NONE, UH, DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS? UH, ONE QUESTION I WOULD ASK IF YOU COULD ADDRESS ALSO, WHAT WAS THE CHANGE, ANY CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS P. OKAY, THANK YOU. TODD MCKENNA HERE FOR THE APPLICANT. MARK GRUBBS IS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD. HE'S HERE AND BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY ENGINEERING OR TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. UH, CHAIRMAN WINTER, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE CRUX OF WHAT I WANNA SAY, IS THAT, UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PUD THAT WAS APPROVED, THAT WAS DATED IN 2023, I'M NOT SURE THE [01:15:01] APPROVAL DATE. AND THIS ONE IS REALLY VERY LI LITTLE. THE PREVIOUS PUD HAD A DEMARCATION LINE BETWEEN WHERE THE RETAIL WAS AND WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL WAS, AND THAT'S BEEN REMOVED. THE PREVIOUS PUD ALLOWED 35 FEET ON THE RESIDENTIAL RS ALLOWS 30, THIS CURRENT ONE ALLOWS 30 FEET. UH, THE PREVIOUS PUD HAD UP TO 30 WORK, LIVE UNITS AND THEN HOWEVER MANY 5,000 FOOT LOTS, WHICH I CALCULATED TO BE 30 TO 34. SO YOU COULD HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 60 AND 64 RESIDENTIAL OR LIVE WORK UNITS. UH, THIS ONE ALLOWS A TOTAL OF 60, AND I THINK OUR CURRENT PLAN SHOWS AROUND 51. SO THE DIFFERENCES ARE REALLY LIMITED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. THEY'VE BEEN REDUCED, THE HEIGHT HAS BEEN REDUCED, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF POSSIBLE UNITS HAS BEEN REDUCED, AND THEN THE LINE AS TO WHERE THE RETAIL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL HAS BEEN REMOVED. SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S THE, THE CRUX OF THE DIFFERENCE, UH, IN THE PROJECT. THE DEVELOPERS HERE, UH, MARK IS HERE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO, UH, CITIZENS' COMMENTS. ANYONE LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, APPLICATION AT ALL? OKAY. SEEING NONE, LET'S, UH, I'LL ASK FOR A VOTE. MOTION SECOND. ALRIGHT, THAT PASSES THREE TO NOTHING AND, UM, THREE TO ZERO. AND THAT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL ON APRIL 27TH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. YEP. ALL [G. Case No. PR25-00016; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Preliminary Plat for The Grove at Coffee Creek, located south of Coffee Creek Road, west of Boulevard Avenue. (Double Eagle Development; Ward 1) ] RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS, UM, PR 25 0 0 0 1 6. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THE GROVE AT COFFEE CREEK. KEN, MR. BRIAN, WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE, UH, APPLICATION, PLEASE? YES. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS CASE IS APPROXIMATELY 16.7 ACRES. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION ON THE WEST SIDE OF SHORT GRASS NORTH OF DALE. THE CASE DETAILS INCLUDE 15 RESIDENTIAL LOTS ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED FROM SHORT GRASS ROAD BY CONSTRUCTING A NEW PRIVATE STREET. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT CONFORMS TO THE ZONING DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF? ALRIGHT, IS THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE? ALRIGHT, WOULD YOU MIND, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR DESCRIPTIONS OR ANYTHING? MY QUESTION WAS, UH, JUST MINUTE SMITH. OKAY. WE HAVE PROTOCOL. I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WAIT. ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? YES, I, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED. OKAY. ADDRESS YOUR, YOUR NAME, MA'AM. SO I'LL LET YOU COME BACK AND GIVE YOUR NAME. I'M SORRY, I JUST STEPPED DOWN. TURN. OKAY. ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. UH, THANK YOU. GREG MASSEY WITH RED PLAINS PROFESSIONAL, UM, REPRESENTING THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT. UM, DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AGAIN, AS MR. BRYANT POINTED OUT, UM, WE'VE GOT 15 UNITS, UH, THAT WE'RE PUT IN HERE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. UH, THAT'S SIX AND A HALF ACRES OUT OF A 19 ACRE, OR EXCUSE ME, 16 ACRE, UH, OWNERSHIP, UM, MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, UH, TREE PRESERVATION. UM, EXISTING UTILITIES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND WE WILL COMPLY WITH, UH, ALL OTHER, UH, ORDINANCES AS REQUIRED. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, NOW YOU CAN, UH, . SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M SORRY. I'M, GO AHEAD. I'M A BIG SCHOOL TEACHER. I'M USED TO TAKING OVER THE CLASS AND IT'S GOT DONE ABOUT THE RIGHT SIZE. ARE YOU THE, UH, UH, MA'AM, MA'AM, IF, IF YOU COULD ADDRESS ME AND THEN WE'LL JUST, I'M SORRY. HAVE HIM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND HE'LL ADDRESS EVERYONE'S COMMENT. OKAY. I WANT TO KNOW IF THIS, SAY YOUR NAME AND, UH, ADDRESS, PLEASE. I'M SUSAN MCNUTT. OKAY. AND I LIVE IN COFFEE CREEK. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND, UH, I WANT TO KNOW IF MR. MATTHEW IS THE OWNER AND THE BUILDER OF THE PROPERTY. IS HE GOING TO BE THE BUILDER? WHO'D YOU SAY THE NAME? MATTHEW. MR. MATTHEWS. OKAY. I WILL ASK, ARE YOU THE OWNER AND THE BUILDER? I'M THE ENGINEER. OKAY. YOU'RE THE ENGINEER. LET, LET'S THE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT PERTAINS TO THAT, THAT NEED [01:20:01] THAT YOU NEED THE ANSWER EXACTLY NOW? I WOULD NOT KNOW WHO THE BUILDER IS. OKAY. IS THAT YOUR ONLY QUESTION? PARDON? IS THAT YOUR ONLY QUESTION? NO. OKAY. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT STYLE HOUSE ARE THEY BUILDING? ARE THEY GOING TO BE COMPARABLE TO WHAT IS ALREADY THERE? ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PARDON? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. UM, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THAT INFORMATION WASN'T GIVEN TO THE HOME BUILDERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS KEPT VERY SECRETIVE. I TRIED SEVERAL PLACES, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE THAT ORIGINALLY PLANTED THE PROPERTY AND COULDN'T GET AN INFORMATION THERE. AND THEY WERE TOLD NOT TO GIVE OUT THE NAME OF THE OWNER OR THE BUILDER. AND I'M WONDERING WHY THAT WAS KEPT SUCH A SECRET. AND I ALSO THINK THAT PERHAPS IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WHERE THEY'RE COMING IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUILDING THAT, UH, THE RESIDENTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KNOW THOSE THINGS. OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE NEED TO SELL THE PROPERTY IF THEY NEEDED TO SELL THE PROPERTY, BUT I DO THINK THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THAT. OKAY. UM, LET'S SEE, WHY, WHY WAS THE, WHY, WHY IS THAT KEPT SO SECRETIVE? OKAY, WE'LL ASK, WE'LL GET THAT CLARIFIED. OKAY. 'CAUSE I, I TRIED FOR FIVE YEARS AFTER I BOUGHT THAT HOUSE. THE ONLY REASON I BOUGHT IT, I HAD LIVED AT LAKE TIN KILLER THE LAST 28 YEARS, AND I LOVED MY VIEW AND EVERYTHING, AND I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS OPEN LIKE THAT. AND SO IT WAS A VERY DI BIG DISAPPOINTMENT TO ME WHEN I HEARD THAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT ON. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, MA'AM, I LIVE, EXCUSE ME, IN COFFEE CREEK AT 3,800 HIGH RIDGE, AND OUR BACKYARD LOOKS DIRECTLY INTO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. AND, UM, UH, WHEN WE, WE MOVED IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, UH, WE WERE TOLD THIS WOULD HAPPEN. AND WHAT I'M, WHAT WE WERE TOLD ALSO WAS THAT, UM, HERE WOULD BE THE BACK OF OUR HOME. THERE WOULD BE THE ROAD, AND THEN THE HOUSES WOULD ALL BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ROAD, THAT THE FRONTS OF THOSE HOMES WOULD FACE THE BACKYARD OF OUR, OF THE HOMES ALONG THAT AREA. AND I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THAT, IF THAT'S ACCURATE. UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF, UM, IF THERE IS AN EASEMENT BETWEEN THAT ROAD THAT WILL BE PUT IN AS A RESIDENTIAL ROAD, UM, AND THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES OF EVERYBODY WHOSE YARDS BACK UP TO THAT SPACE. UM, THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF BIG TREES THERE AND, UM, LOTS OF US LIKE TREES AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP ALL OF THEM, UH, OR AT LEAST AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. I THOUGHT SO A COUPLE OTHER LINES. YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD. I AM IRMA COSTNER. I LIVE IN COFFEE CREEK AT 39 20 WHITEHAWK ROAD. UH, BACK IN 2019, UM, OR AFTER SHORTLY AFTER THAT, UM, WE, UH, AGREED TO A PUD THAT WAS, THAT HAD A 35 FOOT EASEMENT FROM OUR PROPERTY WITH OPEN SPACE TO THE ROAD OR WHATEVER WAS THERE, UM, OR THEY MAKING CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL PUD THAT HAD THAT 35 FOOT EASEMENT IN IT. OKAY. AND IF THEY'RE MAKING CHANGES TO THAT PUD IN THAT AREA AND THAT GIVES, AND, AND THAT IS APPROVED, THE, ANY CHANGE IS APPROVED, IS IT GONNA APPLY TO THE REST OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES ACROSS SHORT GRASS AND WRAPS ON AROUND MY HOUSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I COULDN'T WRITE ALL OF THAT. GREG, ARE YOU TAKING NOTES? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. EXCUSE ME, MR. MASSEY. UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME'S HARRY STALL. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE COFFEE CREEK NORTH, HOAI LIVE AT 7 29. DALE, I JUST GOT A FEW COMMENTS I WANNA SHARE. UM, ONE [01:25:01] OF MY CONCERNS WITH, WELL, I'VE GOT SEVERAL WITH THE GROVE. UM, UH, NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSAL IS THAT BE GATED. THERE'S NOTHING IN COFFEE CREEK NORTH OR THE VILLAGES AT COFFEE CREEK IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF US THAT'S GATED. SO IT KINDA WAS AUTOMATICALLY BIT OF AN APPLES TO ORANGES FOR THE REST COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND THE PUD THAT WAS AGREED UPON, UM, BACK IN LATE 20 19, 20 20, AND WE WENT THROUGH AN EXHAUSTIVE, LABORIOUS LEGAL PLANNING COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL PROCESS, UM, HAD A SET OF SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND THEY ALSO PROVIDED A COLLECTION OF, UH, PICTURES AND THE PICTORIAL DEPICTION OF WHAT MIGHT BE IN THIS AREA. UM, HAD NINE HOMES AND HAD A BIT OF A WINDING ROAD AND SOME ON THE NORTH AND SOME ON THE SOUTH. UM, SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, I'M, I'M NOT A LAWYER, I'VE READ THESE DOCUMENTS. I'M NOT A LAWYER. UM, SO IT SEEMS BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE AGREED WOULD BE IN THE P AND WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED IN THIS PLAT. UM, AND, UH, THE PLAT I SAW IS ACTUALLY EVEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THIS. IT WAS ONE THAT WAS PUBLISHED OR CIRCULATED, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO IN JULY OF 2025. UM, SO TONIGHT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT'S SEEN, THE ONE THAT'S BEEN UP ON THE SCREEN, WHICH HAS GOT 15 HOMES. THE ONLY ONE I'VE SEEN HAS GOT 16 FUNDAMENTALLY THE SAME. BUT, UM, THERE HASN'T BEEN REALLY AS MUCH OF A, UH, REALLY ANY COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE GROVE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER, UH, AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, OTHER THAN THROUGH THIS VENUE. SO, UM, UH, JUST A FEW OTHER COMMENTS. UM, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IS ALREADY KIND OF OVERBURDENED. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I'D BE INTERESTED IS, UH, HOW THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE. OTHERWISE EVERYTHING THAT FLOWS, UH, FLOW FROM THE, UH, UH, THESE HOUSES INTO THE BIG POND, THEN GOES TO THE NEXT POND, THEN GOES DOWN TO THE CREEK. UM, AND THEN ALSO THE, UH, INCREASED TRAFFIC ON SHORT GRASS, UM, WOULD BE A CONCERN. UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT HASN'T BEEN, THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN ANSWER TO THAT, BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT JUST, UM, FEEL LIKE WE'RE HAVING TO RESPOND RATHER THAN HAVING SOME MORE COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSIONS. UM, SO FOR THAT REASON, I RESPECTFULLY CAN ASK IF YOU GUYS CAN KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY DENY IT FOREVER, BUT CAN I KICK IT BACK TO SEE IF IT CAN BE FURTHER DEVELOPED BEFORE BEING REPRESENTED? THANK YOU. OKAY, THANKS. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, SIR. HI, I AM DANIEL GERTZ, UH, 38 0 8 DEERBROOK COURT, AND I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD OF COFFEE CREEK. UH, AS HARRY HAD MENTIONED, THE, UH, ORIGINAL PUT THAT WAS AGREED UPON AFTER AN EXHAUSTED LEGAL PROCESS, UM, THAT, UH, IT WAS A SETTLEMENT BETWEEN OUR HOA AND, UH, THE DEVELOPER INCLUDED, UH, NINE HOMES. AND I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE AN IMAGE OF THAT, UM, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO PASS THIS AROUND IF YOU'D LIKE. UH, BUT IT, THAT NINE HOMES, UM, FITS MUCH MORE WITH, UH, THE WAY THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LAID OUT. AND IT, I ENCOURAGE EVERY ONE OF YOU TO DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE CREEK 'CAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THIS NEW PLAT THAT IS BEING PRESENTED IS JUST A LINE OF MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE HOUSES, TRYING TO CRAM AS MANY AS YOU COULD ON, ON THAT ROAD, UH, TO FIT IN THERE. UH, IT'S, UH, COMPLETE DEPARTURE FROM THE ORIGINAL, UH, PUD THAT WAS AGREED UPON. UH, THE, UH, ONLY OTHER COMMENTS THAT I HAVE ARE, UH, THE PUD INCLUDED, UM, A WALKING TRAIL, UH, THROUGH THAT AREA. AND, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT AS INCLUDED IN THERE. AND, UM, AS PART OF A, A GATED NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ACCESS TO THAT AREA MIGHT BE LOST, UH, EVEN IF THERE WAS A WALKING TRAIL. AND, UH, THE HOA OWNS SOME SMALL ORPHANED PIECES OF LAND THAT OUR MOWERS HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF, UH, THE LANDSCAPE, UH, SOME OF THOSE AREAS AND, UM, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT IN THAT IMAGE, BUT THEY WOULD NEED ACCESS TO, UH, TO GET INTO THAT AREA, TO MOW THOSE, UH, AND MAINTAIN THOSE PART PARCELS OF LAND. AND AGAIN, A NEIGHBORHOOD COULD INHIBIT THAT. UH, THOSE ARE MY ONLY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. WE COULD NOT HEAR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT EVERYTHING. CAN SOMEBODY SUMMARIZE, SHOULD I SUMMARIZE OR YES, PLEASE SUMMARIZE. IS THAT BETTER? YES. I'M SO SORRY. I WAS STANDING NEXT TO THE MICROPHONE. UM, BASIC THINGS WERE, UH, [01:30:01] THE, THE PUD UM, PLAN IS, UH, IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM, UH, THE ONE THAT'S BEING SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL. AND, UH, THE NINE HOMES, UH, MATCHES THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL PUD PLAN MATCHES THE NEIGHBORHOOD MUCH BETTER THAN, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW. AND, UH, WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE LACK OF THE WALKING TRAIL THAT WAS IN THERE IN THE 35 FOOT SETBACK. AND THEN, UH, THE HOA OWNS SOME PARCELS OF LAND ALONG THAT AREA AND, UH, GATED NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD PREVENT ACCESS TO, UH, THAT FOR MAINTENANCE. THAT, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. YES SIR. GOOD EVENING, EVENING TERM, WINTER, UH, GERALD COSTNER 39 20 WHITEHAWK. ONE THING THAT'S JUST COME TO MY MIND AND, UH, AND I'M SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PLANNING THIS HAVE ALREADY TAKEN COMMISSION. WHERE ARE THEY GONNA ACCESS THIS FROM? WITH ALL THIS BIG MACHINERY AND STUFF, THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING THERE AND MOVING AND MAKING ALL THIS STUFF WITH THE ROAD IN COPPER CREEK PROPER ARE NOT REALLY IN GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW. YOU DRIVE SOUTH TO MY HOUSE AND GO OUT TO SOUTH ENTRANCE OUT THERE, YOU THUMP, THUMP, THUMP, THUMP, THUMP, ALL THE WAY HOW SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I THINK I'M READY FOR MR. MASSEY'S RESPONSE. UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, RESPON. WELL, LET ME, UH, THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO MAKE COMMENTS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE HE RESPONDS? ITS THE SPEAKER LOUDER WE CANNOT HEAR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MR. MASSEY, YOU YES, THE BUILDER IS HERE. SO HE WILL ADDRESS, UH, MS. MCNUTTS FIRST QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE HOMES AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, SIZES AND SO FORTH. OKAY. CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? UH, MATT JOHNSON. UM, ACTUALLY I'M NOT THE BUILDER. WE'RE GONNA DO THE DEVELOPMENT PORTION. BRAD HOFFMAN WILL BE THE BUILDER ON THESE LOTS AND HE IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING. OKAY. OKAY. WHAT HOMES? UH, I'LL FIND FOR YOU REAL QUICK. LET, OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION THOUGH. YES. UH, IS THERE A, UM, A NOTIFICATION ON THIS THAT IT, UH, ON THAT PROPERTY THAT IT WILL BE HEARD AT PLANNING COMMISSION? IS THERE A, A SIGN THERE THAT WAS PUT UP WHERE THE NEIGHBORS NOTIFIED THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? UM, FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. BRIAN, THERE'S A POSTED NOTICE IS NOT REQUIRED IN OUR CODE FOR PRELIMINARY PLATS, BUT OKAY. UH, RESIDENCE OR PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET WOULD'VE RECEIVED MAILED NOTICE? CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YES. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO US THAT THE SIGN WAS NOT REQUIRED. OKAY. UM, AGAIN, AS MR. BRIAN POINTED OUT, WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT PUD. WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES IN THE CURRENT PUD. UM, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF HOMES WAS NOT RESTRICTED IN THE PUD. UM, LOT SIZES ARE SET BY CODE. WE MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND WE'RE PROBABLY LARGER THAN 40% OF THE EXISTING LOTS CURRENTLY IN COFFEE CREEK. UM, THAT BEING SAID, UM, AGAIN, MR. JOHNSON'S GOING TO TRY AND FIND OUT WHAT THE MINIMUM AND AVERAGE HOME SIZES ARE, UH, THE WALKING TRAIL. UM, CHRISTIE, DO YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL COPY OF OUR PRELIMINARY PLANT YOU CAN PULL UP FOR US? AND CAN YOU PLEASE ZOOM IN TOWARDS THE NORTH END WHERE WE'VE GOT JUST THE LOTS? UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE MAINTAINED PER THE PUD, THE MINIMUM 35 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH EDGE, UM, BEFORE ADJACENT TO THE ROAD. UH, THE HOMES ARE ALL PLACED SO THAT THEY ARE, UH, FACING THE ROADWAY TO THE NORTH. THE BACK OF THE LOTS WILL BE ADJACENT TO THE POND AND THE COMMON AREA, UH, THE COMMON AREA MEETS THE 20% TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENT. UM, AS FAR AS [01:35:01] STORMWATER DETENTION, MODIFICATIONS WILL BE MADE AS NECESSARY TO THE POND WITHOUT IMPACT TO THE TREE PRESERVATION AREAS. UM, AGAIN, ALL UTILITIES ARE THERE. UM, SO TRAFFIC AGAIN, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT 15 LOTS. UH, CITY CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR 15 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS. UH, AND, AND AVERAGE COUNT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN 45 TRIPS A DAY. UM, SO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS NOT WARRANTED. THERE WERE NO RESTRICTIONS IN THE PUD FOR GATING. THE COMMUNITY, UM, AGAIN, ALL OF THESE LOTS ARE MINIMUM 72 FOOT, UM, BY A HUNDRED PLUS FOOT, SO OVER 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, 70 FOOT FRONTAGES, UH, SURROUNDED BY COMMON AREAS SURROUNDED BY OR OR ABUTTED ON THE SOUTH BY A POND. UM, A GATED COMMUNITY WOULD ONLY INCREASE THOSE PROPERTY VALUES AND, UM, PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE HOUSING, UH, PRODUCT TO RESIDENTS WANTING TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AGAIN, HOME SIZE, YOU KNOW, THE WALKING TRAIL ACTUALLY, UM, WELL IT'S NOT QUITE IDENTIFIED, BUT, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, UM, THE PROPOSAL IS TO TIE INTO THE WALKING TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE AND CONTINUE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO, UM, THE, UH, THE STREET THERE ON THE EAST. UH, SO THAT TRAIL WILL NOT BE IMPEDED, IT WILL BE OPEN TO PUBLIC ACCESS. UM, AGAIN, THE GATES WILL NOT RESTRICT RESIDENTS FROM UTILIZING THAT COMMON AREA. UM, THE GATES WILL RESTRICT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I'VE MISSED THAT THEY WERE ASKING? I THINK YOU HIT 'EM ALL. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COUNT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ANY QUESTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UH, OKAY. ONE, UH, USUALLY DON'T LET MA'AM, EXCUSE ME. GO AHEAD AND ASK A QUESTION. YEAH. OKAY. COME, COME TO THE MIC PLEASE. JUST REAL QUICK, SEVEN 50,010, SO THE BUILDER THAT'LL BE BUILDING THERE WOULD BE 2800 3800 SQUARE FEET, ABOUT 750,000 TO A MILLION DOLLAR HOMES. OKAY. SO, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MAD. ALRIGHT. AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE 35 FOOT OPEN SPACE COMMON AREA, THAT'S 35 FEET FROM MY PROPERTY LINE TO ANY SIDEWALK OR STREET, IT'S OPEN AREA, CORRECT. OKAY. YES, IF YOU COULD HAVE A SEAT AND THEN HE'LL RESPOND. OKAY. IS THAT, MA'AM IS THAT YOUR ONLY QUESTION? OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE 35. OKAY. YOU BET. TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF YOU WOULD PREFER THAT WE REMOVED THE PEDESTRIAN TRAIL. THAT IS CORRECT. BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE EXISTING TRAIL IS WITHIN THAT 35 FEET FIVE. CURRENTLY, THE EXISTING CART PATH THAT RUNS THROUGH IS WITHIN THAT 35 FEET. SO IF YOU WANT 35 FOOT OF GRASS, WE WILL HAVE TO ELIMINATE THE CART TRAIL. CAN'T USE A CART TRAIL ANYWAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT, I THINK IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, DO YOU TAKE QUESTIONS? WHAT THEY, THAT THEY WOULD CALL, CALL YOU WITH ANY PICTURES, ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? AB ABSOLUTELY. UH, MY PHONE NUMBER'S ON THE PLANS, UM, I, I'M OPEN TO CONTACT QUESTIONS. ANYTHING THE RESIDENTS HAVE, JUST PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL ME. OKAY. HOW WOULD WE REACH YOU? OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, HIS NUMBER'S IN THE PACKET. YES. AND UH, SO YOU CAN CALL THEM AND, UH, THEY'RE RIGHT OFF. BRIAN IF YOU WANNA WALK THERE. THANK. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? [01:40:02] ALRIGHT. UH, CAN I HEAR A MOTION TO, UH, BRING THIS TO A VOTE? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THAT APPLICATION PASSED THREE TO ZERO AND THAT WILL BE AT, UH, CITY COUNCIL ON 4 27. ALRIGHT, [H. Case No. Z25-00029; Public Hearing and Consideration for a Zoning Map Amendment from “A” Single-Family to “PUD Z25-00029” Hutchison Development for the property on the northwest corner of Covell and Bryant. (Red Plains Professional; Ward 1)] THE NEXT ITEM, UH, CASE Z 25 0 0 29 CONSIDERATION FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR, UH, HUTCHINSON DEVELOPMENT. KEN, IF YOU WOULD DESCRIBE THE APPLICATION PLEASE. OF COURSE. THANK YOU. HANG ON, I'M SORRY. OH, YOU'VE GOT THE NEXT PROJECT. SORRY, I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO STEP OUTSIDE. OKAY, KEN? YES SIR. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, WHICH CHANGES, UH, PROPOSES TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO PUD IS APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COVELL AND BRYANT NEARBY ZONING AND USES INCLUDE TO THE WEST AND NORTH. ZONED IN DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST, IS ZONED FOR AGRICULTURAL AND IS UNDEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH, IS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL AND IS UNDEVELOPED TO ACCOMMODATE INFILL DEVELOPMENT. EDMONDS CODE OFTEN REQUIRES A PLAN UNIT, DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, SUCH AS THE ONE BEING PROPOSED. THE PDS DESIGN STATEMENT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DETAILS. THE ALLOWED USES WOULD INCLUDE TOWN, HOMES AND OR DUPLEXES. A MAXIMUM OF 16 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD BE ALLOWED, CONFIGURED IN THREE DUPLEX BUILDINGS AND TWO FIVE PLEX BUILDINGS. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE TWO STORIES OR 35 FEET ACCESS WILL BE FROM COVELL ROAD AND THE PUD INCLUDES ACCESS SEPARATION THAT IS LESS THAN THE STANDARD, BUT WILL BE RESTRICTED TO A RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURN OUT CONFIGURATION. A PRIVATE STREET THAT INCLUDES A 30 FOOT PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY AND A 15 FOOT STREET AND UTILITY EASEMENT ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET IS INCLUDED. THIS APPROACH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE CODIFIED STANDARD LANDSCAPING PROVISIONS THAT INCLUDE TREES AND SHRUBS FOR EACH DWELLING AND SCREENING OF SOLID WASTE ENCLOSURES AND THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY. THE ADMIN PLAN CATEGORIZES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS SUBURBAN INFILL. THIS CATEGORY SUPPORTS A WIDE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, INCLUDING THOSE PROPOSED IN THIS PUD. THIS PLAN CATEGORY WAS RECENTLY APPLIED TO THIS LOCATION AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT ENVISIONED A PROJECT SIMILAR TO THE ONE PROPOSED. AS SUCH, THE PROPOSED PBD CONFORMS TO THE CATEGORY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? ALL RIGHT, MR. APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? UH, AND PLEASE ADDRESS, UH, THE CHANGES TO THE PREVIOUS PUT, WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION? OH, TO BE CLEAR, THE, UH, THE PREVIOUS SITUATION IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNED AMENDMENT, WHICH INCLUDED THE DETAIL THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN TERMS OF THE LAYOUT. SO IT'S, IT'S ZONED A SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT NOW AND IT'S SWITCHING TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT CONFUSION. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU KEN. 'CAUSE I WAS GETTING CONFUSED. MM-HMM . UM, YEAH, GREG MASSEY RED PLAINS PROFESSIONALS. UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO WHAT KEN SAID. UH, AGAIN, UM, WE WENT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. UM, UH, WE'VE ADOPTED THIS PUD TO MEET THIS SPECIFIC USE. UM, THE ORIGINAL PLAN AMENDMENT HAD THIS LOCATION SET ASIDE FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL USE, WHICH DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. UM, BY THE TIME THE RIGHT OF WAY IS TAKEN, YOU'VE GOT LESS THAN A TWO ACRE TRACK, ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF. UM, WE COULD PUT ANOTHER COFFEE SHOP, BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT MADE MORE SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND, AND PROVIDE THIS, UH, MIXED RESIDENTIAL WITH DUPLEX AND FIVE PLEX UNITS. UM, AND, UH, I KNOW DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, [01:45:01] MADE BY COUNCILMAN MOORE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A, UH, MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS, ADJACENT RESIDENTS THAT TOOK PLACE, UH, LAST OCTOBER. UM, THE OWNER IS, IS WILLING CERTIFIED TO THAT THERE WERE ACTUALLY COPIES, UM, OF THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THE, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, IN OUR APPLICATION FOR THIS. SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY AND ALL THAT I CAN. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, DOES ANYONE LIKE TO, UH, VOICE AGAINST OR FOR THE APPLICATION? WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? YES, UH, JOHN HAWK, I LIVE AT 2,800 MILES DRIVE JUST NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, BRYANT AND COVELL. THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE UP THERE. YOU'RE SHOWING, BUT IT, IT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE WHATSOEVER OF WHAT, UH, IS INCLUDED IN THE PLANS. I WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, WHERE'S THE, UH, GARAGE DOORS ON THAT? UNLESS YOU ARE REPRESENTING SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE A REAR ENTRY ON THIS, UH, THAT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE AT ALL OF WHAT'S DRAWN ON THE PLAT FOR THAT. ALSO, I WAS, I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT THERE WAS AN OUTREACH TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY BECAUSE I, MY THE NEIGHBOR JUST TO THE NORTH OF THIS, I LOOKED AT, UH, MS. POWERS AND SHE HADN'T BEEN CONTACTED OR NOTIFIED OF ANY MEETING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO OR WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM THE RESIDENTS. NONE OF US WERE CONTACTED. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS YOU CAN TAKE THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN SEVERAL OF THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND INTERSECTIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES, UH, WITH DEVELOPMENT. SAME THING APPLIES TO COVE AND, UH, BRYANT. IT IS A HIGH TRAFFIC BACKED UPS. EVERYTHING'S APPLICABLE THERE. YOU DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL CONCERN THERE IN, IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS. IT'S A, THERE'S HILLS THERE THAT IMPEDE VISIBILITY TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH AND TO THE EAST AND WEST. SO IT'S A, UH, IT'S A HIGH, UH, ACCIDENT INTERSECTION THERE BECAUSE OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC. UH, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL ACCIDENTS, SERIOUS ACCIDENTS RIGHT THERE INVOLVING THAT. UH, AND RELATED TO THAT CONCERN, I WAS LOOKING AT, UH, THE, THE, UH, UH, SITE MAP AND IT, YOU KNOW, IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE ONGOING PLANNING FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THAT INTERSECTION AND ALL OF COVE TO TIE THIS IN TOGETHER. AND MY CONCERN WAS GIVEN THE, UH, UH, EASEMENT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT IS ONLY 80 FEET OF EASEMENT THAT WAS CITED ON THE, UH, APPLICATION 80 FEET. I'M GOING, MAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A SMALL FOOTPRINT FOR WHAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE A HIGH TRAFFIC, UH, VOLUME INTERSECTION. THE PREVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE DOING OVER AT THE, UH, COLTRANE AND COBELL AREA IS A HUNDRED FOOT SET OFF FOR THE EASEMENT, YOU KNOW, ON EACH SIDE. I CAN SEE THAT WORKING. BUT THEY HAD 80 FEET HERE. SO I CALLED, I THINK IT WAS THE, UH, I SPOKE WITH SOMEONE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT, UH, I THINK MARYANNE I SPOKE WITH, AND I ENDED UP SPEAKING WITH CHRISTIE IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, SHE LEFT, UH, WITH THAT QUESTION, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF THE INTERSECTION THERE? AND SHE LEFT ME A MESSAGE ON MY PHONE. I, I DRIVE. WELL, NO, I DID TALK TO HER. SHE SAID, UH, THAT THEY HAD, AND THAT THE, UH, DEVELOPER HAD, THEY HAD A HUNDRED FOOT EASEMENT IN THERE, WHICH WAS MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO COVER THE PLANNED INTERSECTION IN THAT SPOT. WELL, I THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S NEWS TO [01:50:01] ME. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING ON THE APPLICATION. THE APPLICATION HAS 80 FEET FOR THE, UH, P AND I WAS TOLD A HUNDRED FEET, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THERE, BUT 80 FEET WOULD NOT WORK AT THAT LOCATION. OVERALL, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SMALL PUD, THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH BY THE TIME YOU FACTOR IN THE, UH, EASEMENT OFFSETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU'RE ALREADY STARTING WITH A SMALL FOOTPRINT OF AN AREA FOR 16, 16 CONDOMINIUM UNITS, WHICH ARE NOT REPRESENTED THERE AT ALL. PACKED IN TWO FIVE UNITS AND THREE, TWO UNITS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONDENSED AREA THERE THAT THEY HAVE, AND YOU TAKE INTO THE FACTOR, AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE YOUR JUDGMENT IN APPROVING PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT NEED TO BE, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ORDINANCES SAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE OVERALL GOALS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE POD AREA, YOU'VE GOT THE PURPOSE FOR IT. AND ONE OF THOSE IS A ENVIRONMENT OF STABLE CHARACTER AND HARMONY WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT AN ENGINEER WOULD LOOK AT AND SAY, YES, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT IS PRIMARILY EVERYONE'S LOCATED ON ACREAGES OUT THERE. WE LIVE IN A RURAL ENVIRONMENT IN AN URBAN AREA. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOVE ABOUT THE AREA THAT WE LIVE IN, THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THAT HOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, HOW INCONSISTENT IS IT, PUT A, PUT A COMPASS ON THAT THING RIGHT WHERE THAT IS AND DRAW A HALF MILE CIRCLE AROUND IT. ANYTHING IN THAT AREA IN A HALF MILE? NO. WELL, LET'S GO TO A MILE. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS IN HARMONY WITH THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN A MILE AREA? YEAH, NOW STILL SCRATCHING MY HEAD ON THAT. LET'S GO A MILE AND A HALF. I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO OVER TO THOMAS DRIVE AND COBELL OVER BY THE SONIC THERE WHERE YOU GET INTO AN AREA THAT IS THIS HIGH DENSITY AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, A HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO, UH, AND IN THAT, IN SECTION 22, 4 KIN C3, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THESE CONCERNS WERE REALLY ADDRESSED IN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. BUT IT SAYS THAT THE, IT'S THE INTENT OF THE POLICY OF THE CITY THAT THIS DISTRICT BE UTILIZED ONLY UPON A STRONG SHOWING OF COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY. AND THEREFORE, ZONING APPLICATIONS FOR THIS CATEGORY SHOULD BE PREDICATED UPON CONSISTENCY WITH NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS FOR MASTER PLANS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION. EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT WORDS FOR CONSIDERATION. SINCE THE MINIMUM LOT AREA IS 4,800, UH, SQUARE FEET WITH 27, IT GETS INTO FURTHER DETAILS LIKE THAT, BUT I, I, I, I SUPPORT THIS, BUT IN A FOOTPRINT THAT SMALL THAT IS INCONSISTENT BY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE WITH A SURROUNDING AREA LOCATED ON AN INTERSECTION THAT IS STILL IN THE PLANNING PHASES WITH A HIGH PROBABILITY OF FURTHER OFFSETS THAN WHAT'S INDICATED IN THEIR APPLICATION IS NOT REASONABLE AT ALL. NOW, THEIR LAND SOUTH OF THERE WOULD BE A PERFECT AREA WHERE YOU HAVE AN AREA THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT AND SAY, WE CAN INCORPORATE A VISION IN A DISTRICT, 10 ACRES, 20 ACRES, THERE WOULD BE A COMMON THEME. [01:55:01] IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT. IT WOULDN'T BE A STAMPED HIGH, UH, DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF AN AREA THAT PRIMARILY THE HOMES ARE SETTING ON ACREAGES. ALRIGHT. THE, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I DO. I THINK WE GET YOUR POINT. OKAY. THE FOOTPRINT FOR THE SIZE FACTORING IN THE OFFSET REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT FEASIBLE FOR 16 UNITS. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS ANY MENTION OF THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN EACH UNIT. EACH UNIT, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN GUIDANCE, WOULD REQUIRE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EACH BEDROOM. EACH ONE OF THE UNITS THERE ONLY HAS TWO PARKING, PARKING SPACES. SO I, I WOULD ONLY ASSUME THAT THERE'S TWO BEDROOMS IN EACH UNIT, TWO STORE UNITS, SO IT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE. OKAY. I I CAN ASK HIM THAT. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S IT. I THANK YOU. I'VE GOT, I MIXED TO MY NEIGHBOR, YOUR HONOR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO, UM, MY NAME IS EMILY FERGUSON. I LIVE JUST NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY ACROSS BOND STREET, SO I'M AT 1401 BOND STREET. UM, I MOVED HERE FROM OKLAHOMA CITY BECAUSE OF THIS ENVIRONMENT. UM, IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE LOOK OF THIS ENTIRE AREA. UM, I AM ALSO A LANDMAN I DEAL WITH RIGHT OF WAYS AND EASEMENTS ALL DAY LONG. UM, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE, THIS LOT SIZE AND THESE PLANNED EASEMENTS AND BRIDE OF WAYS ARE INSUFFICIENT FOR HOW HIGH DENSITY THIS IS ABOUT TO BE. NOT TO MENTION THIS INTERSECTION CANNOT SUPPORT THE TRAFFIC THAT THIS IS GONNA BRING. SO I JUST ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. AND I THINK THIS NEEDS WAR PLANNING. UM, THE TRAFFIC NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE STICK TO ADHERE TO THAT. UM, AND THIS DRIVE IS GOING TO BE SO CLOSE TO THAT INTERSECTION. IT'S, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? RITA MILLER? I LIVE OVER BY ARCADIA LAKE, NOWHERE NEAR THE PROJECT. UH, PROCEDURAL QUESTION OR PROCESS QUESTION, I GUESS, UM, DRIVEWAYS, PARKING TREE DISCREPANCIES. AT WHAT POINT IN YOUR, IN THE APPLICATION AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, AND YOUR CONSIDERATION, DO YOU LOOK AT THINGS LIKE AN INCON INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN, THERE'S NO GARAGES SHOWN ON HERE AND, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO. THERE'S NO DRIVEWAYS SHOWN ON HERE, BUT THE, BUT IT SAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE DRIVEWAYS AND IT SAYS THERE'S GONNA BE A TREE IN FRONT AND A TREE IN THE BACK. UM, BUT IF THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THERE AND A, AND A GARAGE, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE FOR A TREE. SO THOSE ARE JUST KINDA QUESTIONS. NOT, NOT, NO, NOT POSITIVE, NOT NEGATIVE. JUST QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANKS TAYLOR WILSON AGAIN. UM, REAL QUICK, I GUESS MY COMMENTS MORE ON THE, ON THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS MORE OF A COMMENT TO THE CITY RELATIVE TO, CAN YOU PUT BARRIERS TO PREVENT A LEFT TURN THERE? THE, THE, I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER MAKING IT RIGHT TURN OR THE CITY FORCING THE DEVELOPER TO DO THAT, TO MAKE IT RIGHT TURN, RIGHT TURN. BUT CAN YOU PUT THE BARRIERS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE DONE ON SECOND STREET TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM TURNING LEFT IN THERE AND MAYBE THE DEVELOPER WOULD, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR SUBMISSION TO MAKE IT PART OF THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE? THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. MR. MATT? OH, GOOD EVENING. I'M GK POWERS. I LIVE AT 1420 BOND STREET, WHICH JOINS THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'VE BROUGHT A WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT I'LL READ AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. WHILE I RESPECT PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS TO USE THEIR LAND AS THEY SEE FIT, THESE RIGHTS ARE NOT WITHOUT LIMITS. MY NEIGHBOR'S USE OF HIS [02:00:01] PROPERTY SHOULD NOT EXTEND TO ACTIONS THAT NEGATIVELY AFFECT MY ABILITY TO ENJOY AND USE MY PROPERTY. THESE ACTIONS INFRINGE UPON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS AND MUST BE REGULATED TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF ALL RESIDENTS. THE NEW MAN ON THE BLOCK SHOULD NOT CONTROL CITIZENS WHO HAVE INVESTED IN THE AREA FOR DECADES. I LIVE IN AN AREA IN EDMOND WHERE YARDS ARE ACRES. GREEN OPEN SPACES AND PRIVACY ARE THE STANDARD. THE AREA'S NATURAL BEAUTY AND WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT FOR LIVESTOCK AND WILDLIFE CREATE A TRANQUIL LIFESTYLE THAT RESIDENTS DEEPLY VALUE. GIVEN MY PERSONAL PROXIMITY TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NEXT DOOR TO ME, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT MY PRIVACY BE SAFEGUARDED THROUGH THOUGHTFUL DESIGN CHOICES, SUCH AS ORIENTATIONS OF WINDOWS AND BALCONIES, AS WELL AS ADEQUATE SEPARATION BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND THE NEW SOON TO BE DENSELY POPULATED AREA. DEVELOPMENT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES DIRECTLY IMPACT MY QUALITY OF LIFE AS SOMEONE MOST AFFECTED MY RIGHTS AND INPUT REGARDING ADJACENT LAND USE SHOULD TAKE PRIORITY OVER THOSE OF PEOPLE WHO WILL NEVER HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES. EVEN POLICIES THAT ARE SET DEMOCRATICALLY MUST CONSIDER THE RIGHTS AND INTERESTS OF CITIZENS LIVING CLOSEST TO THE AFFECTED AREA AFTER MORE THAN 20 YEARS. IN EDMOND, I'M WATCHING OUR COMMUNITY TRANSFORM FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF CHOICE IN OKLAHOMA TO A PATCHWORK OF DEVELOPMENTS, STRONG COMMUNITY PRIDE AND ZONING. ONCE PROTECTED EDMUND'S CHARACTER, BUT AGGRESSIVE INFILL PROJECTS HAVE UNDERMINED THOSE SAFEGUARDS, ERASING OUR SENSE OF UNITY AND TURNING NEIGHBORHOODS INTO DISORGANIZED CLUSTERS RESEMBLING RURAL LOGAN COUNTY. I URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS PROJECT. IF APPROVAL IS UNAVOIDABLE, THEN I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU ENSURE MY PRIVACY BY ORIENTING WINDOWS AND BALCONIES IN THE PROPOSED PROJECT AWAY FROM MY PROPERTY. SO THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT LOOKING DOWN ON MY PROPERTY WHERE, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN PRIVATE. ALSO, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE INSTALLATION OF A NON-OBTRUSIVE FENCE, A TALL FENCE AND ESTABLISHMENT OF A GREEN BELT TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE AREA. THESE ACTIONS ARE VITAL TO MAINTAIN MY COMFORT AND MY PRIVACY ON MY PROPERTY, A BASIC RIGHT IN OUR NATION. THANK YOU EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. YES SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MY NAME IS VICTOR PEREZ. I LIVE, UM, EAST OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND IT, IT'S AT 28 18 NORTH BRYANT, EDMOND, OKLAHOMA. MY MAILING ADDRESS, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE THE DEVELOPER TO CONTACT ME BECAUSE, UM, IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN THE PAST, IS POST OFFICE BOX 9 6 6, EDMOND, OKLAHOMA 7 3 0 8 3. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE DEVELOPER OR THE, OR THE ENGINEER, UH, THE REFERENCE MEETING OF OCTOBER LAST YEAR. I SAW EVERYONE THAT WAS UP HERE SPEAKING TODAY SHAKE THEIR HEADS. NO, THEY WERE NOT INVITED. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE LIST OF ATTENDEES AND IF THERE WERE ANY MEETING MINUTES AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED THAT MEETING, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ASKED HIM TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE THAT, UH, UH, THAT TYPE OF A GOOD FAITH EFFORT PRESENTED BY THE DEVELOPER. BUT I WASN'T AWARE OF IT AND I DIDN'T ATTEND IT. SO, AND I SAW SEVERAL OTHERS DID NOT AS WELL. UM, [02:05:01] I ALSO REMEMBER THE DEVELOPER AND THE ENGINEER, UM, DISCUSSING AT THE LAST, UM, OCCURRENCE OF, OF ONE OF THESE REVIEW, UM, MEETINGS THAT THEY HAD STORM WATER ISSUES THAT THEY WERE GLAD NOBODY ASKED ABOUT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ABOUT STORMWATER ISSUES THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED. ANY MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE. UM, I IMPROVEMENTS THEY PLAN WITH THIS EFFORT. UM, AND LET'S SEE, I TOOK ONE OTHER NOTE. UM, ALSO WOULD LIKE TO JUST LIKE TO LEAVE MY PHONE NUMBER. (405) 436-5028. REALLY WANT THAT, UH, INDIVIDUAL TO REACH OUT TO US. UH, I KNOW THE OTHER NEIGHBORS I'LL, I'LL CONTACT THEM. I'D LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL DELAY THIS EFFORT UNTIL THE, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE CAN TALK TO THAT DEVELOPER OR THAT ENGINEER DIRECTLY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ALSO I MIGHT MENTION HIS, UH, HIS CONTACT IS IN, IS IN THE PACKET. IF YOU CAN JUST CALL HIM YOU, YOU INSTRUCTED HIM TO REACH OUT TO US. OKAY. MY NAME IS KIMBERLY BENNY GRAY AND I LIVE AT 1400 BOND STREET NEXT TO MRS. POWERS. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS REZONING REQUEST FIRST, I'M NOT JUST A HOMEOWNER THAT CHOSE TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY AND RAISE MY FAMILY HERE. I GREW UP AS A CHILD ON THIS VERY STREET IN MY PARENTS' HOME. THIS IS ALSO THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE MY GRANDMOTHER ONCE LIVED, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OF MY OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. SO MY FAMILY HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS WONDERFUL AREA FOR MANY YEARS. UPON PURCHASING OUR PROPERTY, WE DID SO WITH REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS ABOUT OUR SURROUNDINGS. HOWEVER, PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THIS AREA AND THE LONG-TERM PLANNING FRAMEWORK THAT GUIDES OUR COMMUNITY. THIS HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR PROPERTY VALUES, QUALITY OF LIFE, AND EFFECTIVELY SHIFTS THE BURDEN OF DEVELOPMENT ONTO ITS EXISTING RESIDENCE. IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A DRIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, YOU WOULD QUICKLY SEE THAT THE PROPOSED 16 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHICH CONSIST OF THREE DUPLEX UNITS AND TWO FIVE PLEX UNITS, CLEARLY DOESN'T FIT ITS SURROUNDINGS. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH ARE IMPORTANT, THEY SHOULD OCCUR IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS EXISTING ZONING FRAMEWORKS, INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY, AND ESPECIALLY OUR COMMUNITY REZONING ONLY UNDERMINES THE STABILITY AND CHARACTER THAT MY NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE RELIED ON WHEN WE CHOSE WHERE WE LIVE. IN CLOSING, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COMMISSION TO DENY THIS REQUEST AND UPHOLD ITS EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DESIGNATION. THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MR. MASSEY, WOULD YOU, UH, I JOTTED DOWN SOME NOTES, BUT I'M SURE YOU KEEP BETTER NOTES THAN I DO. I I I WILL DO THE, I'LL DO THE BEST THAT I CAN. ADDRESS THOSE, PLEASE. UM, YES. SO, UM, AGAIN, TRAFFIC, UH, LEMME START BY SAYING, UH, I'M SURE MOST IF NOT ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE WERE ALSO AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING FOR THE PLAN AMENDMENT. UH, AND I'M SURE THEY EXPRESSED THESE SAME CONCERNS WHEN THAT PLAN AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED. UM, AGAIN, TRAFFIC IS ALREADY BAD AT THIS LOCATION. UM, ADDING 16, ADDING 16 MORE UNITS INTO THIS TRAFFIC COUNT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. UM, IN NEGOTIATING WITH CITY STAFF, WE'RE DISCUSSING SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. THEY DID BRING UP MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD A CONTROLLED ACCESS. UM, LET ME ALSO REMIND YOU, WE'RE NOT UP HERE FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL TODAY. WE'RE NOT UP HERE FOR A PLA TODAY. THIS IS JUST REZONING, YOU KNOW, LET'S ZONE THE PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED. THAT WILL ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ENGINEERING PLANS. THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT SHOWS MAXIMUM DENSITY. IF THE ZONING'S APPROVED, THIS PLAN COULD CHANGE TOMORROW. IT CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE DENSITY ON IT BECAUSE OF THIS ZONING. [02:10:01] WE ALSO ONLY HAVE ONE POINT OF ACCESS AND WE'VE PUT IN THE PUD THAT THAT ACCESS WILL BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY. HOW WILL THAT TAKE PLACE? I DON'T KNOW YET. WE HAVEN'T DONE THE ENGINEERING DESIGN AND WE HAVEN'T WORKED THAT OUT WITH CITY STAFF AND, AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. BUT IT WILL BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ONLY. UM, THE STREET WILL HAVE TO BE WIDENED AT SOME POINT, OBVIOUSLY. UM, YEAH, THAT DRIVES REAL CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION. THE EXISTING DRIVE ON THAT LOT IS REAL CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION. WHEN THEY DO THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, IT'S GOING TO GET MUCH WIDER. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE 80 FOOT EASEMENT. THE 80 FOOT EASEMENT ALONG COVEL IS ONE THAT THE CITY PURCHASED YEARS AGO. THEY DIDN'T TAKE 90 FEET, THEY ONLY TOOK 80. WHEN WE PLA THIS PROPERTY, WE WILL MAINTAIN THE 80 FOOT ON COVE. WE WILL DEDICATE THE ADDITIONAL 80 FOOT, UH, THERE ALONG BRYANT AND WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL 10 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT. UM, THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALREADY SEEN APPLICATIONS TONIGHT WHERE, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS GRANTED IS A 70 FOOT WITH A 20 FOOT EASEMENT. AND THAT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THE CITY NEEDS FOR A FIVE LANE WITH A 30 FOOT MEDIAN FOR THE CENTER TURN AND ALL UTILITIES. NOW, 90 FOOT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT TO MOST PEOPLE, UM, BUT THAT'S 90 FOOT PER SIDE. THAT'S 180 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY FOR A PUBLIC CITY STREET. YOUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH REQUIRE 100 FEET. SO THAT BEING SAID, LET ME GET BACK ON TRACK HERE. UH, AGAIN, PLAN AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED. UM, EVERYTHING WE PROPOSED IS WITHIN THAT PLAN AMENDMENT. UM, WITHIN THE PUD, WE ARE MEETING THE MINIMUM RIGHT OF WAY REQUIREMENTS WITH THE ADDITIONAL EASEMENTS. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SITE PLAN APPROVAL, IT'S JUST FOR ZONING. UM, TRAFFIC WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME, EXCUSE ME, AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND OR PLATTING. UM, SITE DISTANCE WAS BROUGHT UP AS AN ISSUE WITH THE HILLS. THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WE DO NOT HAVE A DRIVE COMING OUT ON BRYANT. UM, THERE IS NO SITE DISTANCE. UM, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE WHEN THE CITY GETS READY TO WIDEN BRYANT THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION GOING NORTH. UM, DENSITY AGAIN, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE, UM, PLAN AMENDMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE MAXIMUM DENSITY PROPOSED FOR THIS. UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT ACTUALLY QUALIFIES AS HIGH DENSITY BASED ON THE ACREAGE, UH, OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE 16 UNITS. AND AGAIN, THERE CANNOT BE ANY HIGHER DENSITY ON THIS PROPERTY. UM, THEY ASKED ABOUT DRIVES AND GARAGES AND THOSE THINGS THAT WEREN'T SHOWN ON THE EXHIBIT. AGAIN, THAT, THAT WAS JUST A, A PRETTY PICTURE TO SHOW EVERYONE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE PROPOSE THESE UNITS TO LOOK LIKE. JUST A GENERIC, AGAIN, NOT SUBMITTING FOR BUILDING PERMIT TOMORROW. THOSE ARE NOT THE PLANS GOING INTO THE CITY. UM, THE COMMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT STORMWATER, UM, AND HE SAID THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING. I GAVE YOU THE PRESENTATION AT THAT PREVIOUS MEETING. THE ONLY COMMENT ABOUT STORMWATER WAS YES, STORMWATER DETENTION WILL BE REQUIRED AND YES, WE WILL MEET THE CITY'S CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR STORMWATER DETENTION. UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITHIN THE PUD DOCUMENTS, YES, SCREENING FENCING WILL BE REQUIRED, UH, ALONG THE NORTH AND WEST PROPERTY LINES. UM, IF WE NEED TO, TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON WHAT HEIGHT, SIX FOOT OR [02:15:01] EIGHT FOOT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS CONSIDERED A MULTI-FAMILY USE. THERE ARE SPECIFIC LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET. UH, AGAIN, THAT'S ALL IN THE PUD DOCUMENT. UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET AROUND. IT'S NOT SOMETHING ANYONE BEHIND US CAN GET AROUND. UM, IF THIS PUD IS APPROVED TODAY AND HE SELLS THE PROPERTY TOMORROW, WHOEVER BUYS THAT IS GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THESE SAME REQUIREMENTS IN THE PUD OR THEY GET TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU AND TRY THIS AGAIN. SO I WOULD ASK YOU JUST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, THE FACT THAT WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THIS EXACT SAME EXHIBIT FOR THE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE PUD IS NO DIFFERENT. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. UH, ARE THERE GARAGES IN THE BUILDING OR ARE THERE PARKING SPACES? I KNOW YOU DON'T, ARE YOU STILL THINKING ABOUT IT? UH, THERE WILL BE BOTH. OKAY. THERE, THERE WILL BE A SINGLE CAR GARAGE ON EACH OF THE UNITS AND A DRIVEWAY TO ACCOMMODATE TWO VEHICLES PER UNIT. OKAY. AND YOU ARE BUILDING THE, UH, BARRIERS FOR THE RIGHT TURNS THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO RUN OVER THE CURBS TO TURN LEFT. WWW WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO, HOW THAT IS HANDLED. OKAY. I CAN TELL YOU THIS. ONCE THE FULL IMPROVEMENTS TO COVE ARE COMPLETED, THERE WILL BE A MEDIAN DOWN THE MIDDLE OF COVE WITH A LEFT TURN LANE AT THE INTERSECTION. SO IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN OUT, OR, I'M SORRY, A LEFT TURN OUT ONTO COVE. OH, OKAY. OR A RIGHT TURN IN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HE DIDN'T ADDRESS THE MEETING. UM, OKAY. ON, UH, THERE WAS A MEETING. DO YOU HAVE MINUTES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? JUST COMMENTS, EMAILS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE MEETING I HAD, YOU SAID YOU HAD A MEETING. I HAD A MEETING WITH BURNHAM WOODS. HOA THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE? YEAH. NO, ON THE SOUTH SIDE. RIGHT. BUT NOT, NOT EVEN NOT ANY OF THESE. NOT ANY OF THE, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THESE START TO PROPERTY OWNERS. NO. I THINK THAT'S OUR CONCERN. WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T INVITED TO THE MEETING AND DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WELL, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT REQUESTED THE MEETING, SO NO, WE DIDN'T. NO, WE DIDN'T. WE THE MAYOR ASKED YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE SURROUNDING, UH, RESIDENT. I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO Y'ALL. OKAY. ANYTIME. THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO IS JUST HAVE A, A CONVERSATION BEFORE WE'RE GONNA FIGHT. SURE. WE ARE HAPPY TO. SO, UH, IF, UH, YOU CAN JUST GET A HOLD OF THE, THE DEVELOPER AND ASK HIM IF YOU WANT TO MEET. UH, BUT, UH, BUT WE'LL HAVE, UH, AFTER THIS MEETING, I, I CAN MEET WITH Y'ALL OUT WHEN WE'RE FINISHED HERE IN JUST A MOMENT IF YOU WANT TO OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN SET UP A TIME SOMEWHERE TO MEET LATER ON IF YOU WANT TO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, BY THE WAY, I'M BARRY HUTCHINSON. I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO, AND I LIVE 300 FEET DOWN, 300 YARDS DOWN THE STREET FROM WHERE THIS IS GONNA BE BUILT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. NO, THAT OKAY. THE COMMENT, UH, PERIOD IS OVER. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, HAVE A, UH, A VOTE, THE PLANNING, COMMISSIONS DOCUMENTATION, SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS ACTION BECAUSE I STILL BELIEVE THAT SEVERAL OF MY CONCERNS, IT SHOULD BE IN BLACK AND WHITE SIDES. OKAY. IF YOU, IF YOU DO, IF YOU ARE WELCOME TO CALL THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND ASK THEM FOR THE, UH, SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL HAVE. AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO MAKE OUR, MAKE OUR DECISION HERE. ALRIGHT. DO I HEAR A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND. [02:20:03] ALL RIGHT. THAT, UH, THAT MOTION FAILS AND, UH, IT WILL BE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 27TH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO ON TO THE, UH, NEXT CASE. WHAT? ALRIGHT, [I. Case No. SP25-00004; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Site Plan application for Texas Roadhouse and Shops C and D, located on the north side of Covell Road, west of I-35. (The Seitz Group, Inc.; Ward 2) ] UH, CASE NUMBER S SP 25 0 0 0 4 CONSIDERATION, APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN. UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? DO YOU WANT? UH, SOMETIMES WE PROCEED. OKAY. MOTION TO CONTINUE. ALRIGHT. UH, DO HEAR SECOND. SECOND. ALRIGHT. UH, WHAT DAY, WHAT DAY WOULD WE, UH, IN TWO WEEKS? YES. SO THIS ITEM WILL BE MOVED TO APRIL 21ST. OKAY. SO, UH, CAST YOUR VOTE FOR THE, UH, CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 21ST. ALRIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES THREE TO ZERO. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS, UH, COMMENTS? UH, I THINK WE HAVE A, UH, SECTION FOR OPEN DISCUSSION. OPEN COMMENTS. UM, ANY OF THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY WANNA MAKE PERTAINING TO ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT. SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENT, UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CONCLUDE THE, UH, THE MEETING MOTION? SECOND. YOU WANNA STAY? WELL, I DIDN'T THINK I DID, BUT SO, OKAY. UH, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE ALLOWED TO LEAVE 'CAUSE THAT MOTION DIDN'T, UH, CAN WE, UH, REVOTE SO NO, SOMEBODY CAN JUST LEAVE AND OVER . OH, OKAY. WELL THAT COMMISSION FAILED BUT I WANT TO PROTEST OR DEMONSTRATE WHATEVER. IT'S ALRIGHT. THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR, UH, ATTENTION AND PATIENCE. I APPRECIATE IT. MEETING A. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.