Apr 13, 2026 City Council Workshop - FY2026-27 Budget, Water and Wastewater Rates, CARC, and Police

[1. Call to Order of the Edmond City Council Meeting.]

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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING WITH BUDGET WORKSHOP ON MONDAY, APRIL 13TH, 2026 TO ORDER ITEM TWO

[2. Presentation, Discussion, and Consideration of the Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Police Department Budget.]

TODAY IS PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION, AND CONSIDERATION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 20 27.

POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET.

MS. PANIS, ARE YOU KICKING THIS OFF OR IS SOMEONE ELSE AS I CATCH YOU OFF GUARD? NO, I, OR IS THE CHIEF, I WAS GOING TO KICK IT OFF.

YOU WERE GOING TO, OKAY.

SO, YEAH, SO, UM, OH, I PROBABLY CAN DO THIS.

HERE WE GO.

SO HERE'S OUR AGENDA TODAY IS OUR, UH, WE WILL HAVE SOME PRESENTATIONS TODAY.

UH, FIRST OF ALL IS POLICE, AS YOU'VE JUST MENTIONED, AND THEN OUR COMMUNITY AGENCY REVIEW COMMISSION, UH, WE'LL HAVE OUR WATER RATE DISCUSSION, AND THEN JUST AN OVERALL BUDGET SUMMARY WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

SO I THINK THEN WE MOVE ON, RIGHT? OKAY.

SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR POLICE PRESENTATION IN CHIEF YOUNGER MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

UH, SAME INFORMATION, BUT THE SLIDES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, SO MY OLD BRAIN'S HAVING TO ADJUST TO WHAT'S UP THERE.

UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A PROPOSAL FOR A TOTAL BUDGET FOR YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR, UH, 26, 27 OF, UH, $39 MILLION.

UH, AREAS OF PRIMARY AREAS OF OPPORTUNITIES, CHALLENGES AND CHANGES, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS MUCH MORE EXHAUSTIVE THAN JUST THREE BULLET POINTS.

UH, BUT THE ONES THAT I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN AND WANT TO COMMUNICATE ABOUT ARE, UH, SWORN STAFFING, UH, TECHNOLOGY COSTS, AND THEN ALLOCATION COSTS.

UH, FOP NEGOTIATIONS ARE ONGOING, SO THERE IS A POTENTIAL, UH, THAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT COULD, UH, IMPACT THE BUDGET.

AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE AREAS WHERE THAT COULD, UH, PRESENT ITSELF AS WE GO THROUGH THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE ON THIS SLIDE IS A COMPARISON OF THIS YEAR'S PROPOSED BUDGET VERSUS LAST YEAR'S, OUR FY UH, 20 SIX'S BUDGET.

UH, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT BY THE, UH, FIVE MAJOR CATEGORIES AND SEE UP OR DOWN, UH, KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

THE TOTAL BUDGET AS PROPOSED IS A LITTLE BIT, I THINK ABOUT A PERCENT DOWN FROM LAST YEAR, UH, AS COUNCIL DIRECTED, UH, FLATTER, UH, LOWER TARGET WAS THE PREFERRED.

AND SO, AS EVERYONE CAN SEE, PERSONNEL MAKES UP ABOUT 75% OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET, AND THAT'S BOTH SWORN AND PROFESSIONAL STAFF, UH, AND, AND ENCOMPASSES BOTH SALARY BENEFITS, ALL THOSE THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

UH, YOU SEE THAT WE'RE, UH, PROJECTED TO BE UP ABOUT 1.85%.

UH, THAT'S MOSTLY THROUGH, UH, EXPECTATIONS OF THE 10 STEP PAY PLANS, UH, THAT APPLY TO BOTH, UH, SWORN AND PROFESSIONAL STAFF.

UH, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES, YOU SEE A, A DECREASE THERE.

UH, OTHER SERVICES AND CHARGES, AND I'LL GO INTO MORE, PARTICULARLY WHAT THESE AREAS KIND OF, KIND OF COVER ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH, SLIGHT INCREASE THERE.

UH, AND THEN PERCENTAGE WISE, A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE, BUT DOLLAR WISE, UH, NOT, NOT TERRIBLY LARGE IN CAPITAL OUTLAY.

AND THEN ALLOCATIONS, UH, WITH A DECREASE OF 6%.

SO WHAT'S DRIVING A LOT OF THESE EITHER PLUSES OR MINUSES, UH, IN THE PERSONNEL BUDGET, AS WE MENTIONED, UH, THE COLLECTIVE BORROWING AGREEMENT, AND THEN THE CURRENT 10 STEP PLAN FOR, UH, PROFESSIONAL STAFF.

THERE IS ONE NEW POSITION PROPOSED IN THIS.

THAT POSITION IS A BUDGET ANALYST, UH, IN COOPERATION WITH, UH, CITY MANAGEMENT, UH, LOOKING AT PUTTING MORE PROFESSIONAL STAFF, UH, IN POSITIONS TO HELP FINANCE AS WE MANAGE THESE, UH, LARGE BUDGETS.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE ONE NEW POSITION IS.

UH, IN ADDITION, WHILE WE WILL BE IN THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S, UH, COST CENTER, UH, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT, UH, POSITION ALSO PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO FIRE AS NEEDED, UH, WITH MANAGEMENT OF, UH, OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDS.

UH, MATERIALS AND BUDGET, AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UH, LAST YEAR.

UH, SOME OF THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES THAT WE PURCHASED, SOME VEHICLE MAINTENANCE STUFF, UH, SOME MATERIALS FOR SWAT, UH, THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PURCHASE THIS YEAR IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE REASON THAT THAT'S DECREASED.

UH, OTHER SERVICES AND CHARGES, BUDGET, CONTRACT SERVICES AND TRAINING.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO RECOGNIZE THE INCREASING ROLE OF TECHNOLOGY IN ALL DEPARTMENTS, UH, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UH, AND WITH THAT INCREASING ROLE, YOU HAVE NUMEROUS SERVICE CONTRACTS, UM, AND, AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE THERE.

UM, AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT WOULD CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE JUST BECAUSE OF THE, AGAIN, THE INCREASING, UH, AMOUNT OF TECHNOLOGY.

AND THEN CAPITAL OUTLAY BUDGET.

THERE WAS A, A LARGE PERCENTAGE

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THAT'S BEEN AN ONGOING PROJECT, AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, FOR THE LAST TWO BUDGET CYCLES.

UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE KIND OF REACHED A MILESTONE HERE RECENTLY, UH, WHERE WE HAVE TENTATIVE AGREEMENT ON THE, THE SITE PLAN AND ALL THAT.

SO I EXPECT THAT ACTUALLY TO BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL PROBABLY HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, UH, TO TRY TO GET THAT GOING FOR AN RFP.

SO, REALLY EXCITING, UH, OCCURRENCE THERE.

AND THEN COST ALLOCATIONS.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY IN FOLLOWING ALLOCATIONS AND TRANSFERS WITHIN THE BUDGET AS A WHOLE.

UH, SO THAT'S NO DIFFERENT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE ALLOCATIONS WHERE WE PAY OTHER DEPARTMENTS FOR THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE US, UH, TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT 6.8 MILLION IN, IN THIS YEAR'S, UH, BUDGET.

BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A DECREASE OF AROUND 7%.

UH, AND THEN, AGAIN, I WON'T READ THIS WORD FOR WORD.

IT JUST KIND OF TOUCHES ON WHAT WE ALREADY SAID WERE OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES.

UH, AS COUNCIL HAS BEEN INFORMED FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE ARE ENTERING INTO PROBABLY A 18 TO 24 MONTH WINDOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA SEE INCREASED VOLATILITY ON THE SWORN SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

UH, SO JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR WILL BE THE FIRST GROUP OF RETIREES ELIGIBLE UNDER THE INCREASED, UH, MULTIPLIER THAT SENATE BILL 1 0 2 PROVIDED.

AND SO, WHILE WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE LATENCY IN RETIREMENTS OVER THE LAST, UH, 18 MONTHS, UH, HISTORICALLY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SEES ABOUT, UH, 4.8 TO 5% ATTRITION, UH, IN A GIVEN YEAR.

UH, MOST ALL OF THOSE RETIREMENTS, UH, BUT WE'VE SEEN FAR LESS THAN THAT OVER THE LAST TWO, AND WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE THAN THAT, UH, OVER THE NEXT TWO.

SO UPWARDS TO 15% OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS, I WOULD SAY.

UH, BUT WE'VE, WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL ON OUR BUDGET FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, I THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION, UH, TO TRANSITION THROUGH THAT.

UH, SO CURRENTLY, UH, WE'RE ONE UNDER FULL STAFFING, UH, BEFORE WE ENTER THIS, UH, EXPECTED VOLATILITY IN JULY.

UH, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE PAPER IN MY HAND, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU FOR SURE THEY'RE GOING, UH, BUT THEY'VE LOOKED ME IN THE EYE AND TELL ME THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND WE, WE EXPECT ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO EIGHT PEOPLE, UH, BY THE, BY THIS DECEMBER THAT WILL RETIRE.

UH, SO WOULD, WOULD MOVE US TO MINUS NINE OR NINE VACANCIES.

AND THEN I EXPECT A, A CORRESPONDING AMOUNT, UH, DURING CALENDAR YEAR 27, ANOTHER SIX TO NINE.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION.

UH, YOU FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST CLOSED A RECRUITING PROCESS FOR AN ACADEMY THAT'S SCHEDULED TO START IN SEPTEMBER.

UH, REALLY GOOD RESPONSE, OUR SECOND HIGHEST EVER.

SO ATTRACTING GOOD CANDIDATES, UH, STAFF'S DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MITIGATING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THE SECOND BULLET POINT, AGAIN, JUST TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY, UH, ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD HERE IS REALLY THAT LAST SENTENCE.

UH, FOR THOSE THAT PAY ATTENTION NATIONALLY, THE CONVERSATION THAT'S GOING ON AROUND TECHNOLOGY, KNOW THAT WE HAVE THOSE SAME CONVERSATIONS HERE.

WHEN EACH OF THESE, UH, TECHNOLOGICAL PRODUCTS HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, WE'VE TRIED TO PURPOSELY, INTENTIONALLY TALK ABOUT, UH, PRIVACY CONCERNS, UH, THE GOVERNANCE OVER USAGE OF WHO ACCESSES IT AND WHAT FOR.

AND THEN RETENTION POLICIES.

UH, I THINK YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOUR CITY HAVE REALLY GOOD, UH, GOVERNANCE AND POLICIES IN PLACE TO ADDRESS ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS SHOULD BE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS, BOTH FOR THE INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN, UH, OR RESIDENT IN EDMOND, AND FOR THOSE TASKED WITH, UH, PROVIDING SERVICE TO 'EM.

SO I THINK WE'RE DOING, UH, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED BEST PRACTICE PLANS IN THOSE THREE AREAS, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SUCH.

UH, AND THEN THE LAST ONE, JUST KIND OF A CATCHALL.

UH, WE TALK ABOUT DOLLARS, WE TALK ABOUT EQUIPMENT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE A SERVICE ORGANIZATION.

AND SO WE HAVE 190 PEOPLE, UH, THAT HAVE RAISED THEIR HAND AND SWORE TO GIVE SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THIS BUDGET EQUIPS THEM WITH THE TRAINING AND TOOLS NECESSARY, UH, TO MEET THOSE COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, JUST, JUST ONE, PROBABLY REAL EASY ONE FOR YOU.

I KNOW IT'S GOTTA BE DIFFICULT, AND YOU'VE BEEN REALLY INTENTIONAL IN THE TRANSITION AND HOW TO, WITH 15% RETIREMENT.

WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR EXPECTATION IN TERMS OF YOUR ACADEMIES? ARE YOU, ARE YOU INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO HOLD IT, HOLD IT BELOW A CERTAIN NUMBER, OR ARE YOU, UH, WHAT DO YOU SEE DOWN THE ROAD FOR A COUPLE YEARS? YES, SIR.

SO, AS A MATTER OF BACKGROUND, UH, EDMOND STARTED THEIR OWN POLICE ACADEMY IN 2009, AND WE'VE RUN 12 OF THOSE.

AND WE, WE ANTICIPATE OUR 13TH OF CERTAIN SEPTEMBER, UH, FOR THE FIRST SEVERAL, UH, WE WENT UPWARDS TO THREE YEARS BETWEEN SOME OF THEM.

UH, OUR AVERAGE PROBABLY ABOUT 18 MONTHS.

IDEALLY, THAT'S WHERE WE'D LIKE TO BE, IS RUNNING AN ACADEMY EVERY OTHER YEAR, UH, BECAUSE

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WE'VE RAN ACADEMIES EVERY YEAR SINCE 2021.

UH, SO I ANTICIPATE THAT PACE FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO JUST TO KEEP PACE, UH, WITH THE VACANCIES THAT'LL BE OCCURRING THROUGH RETIREMENTS.

AGAIN, THOSE ARE NOT ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO THE FORCE THAT'S JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE POSITIONS YOU'VE ALREADY AUTHORIZED, STAFFED.

UH, AND SO IN ADDITION TO THE ACADEMY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE PLANNED FOR SEPTEMBER OF 26, I HATE TO SAY IT'S A WAIT AND SEE, BUT IT'S A WAIT AND SEE WHERE THE ATTRITION IS ON THAT.

UH, FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW, WE GENERALLY EXPERIENCE ABOUT A 24% ATTRITION RATE FROM DAY ONE OF THE ACADEMY TO DAY ONE OF SOLO ASSIGNMENT.

SO THAT'S ABOUT A 10 MONTH PROCESS, UH, FOUR MONTHS IN THE ACADEMY, FOUR MONTHS, UH, IN FIELD TRAINING, PLUS OR MINUS A FEW WEEKS THERE.

UH, WE USUALLY LOSE ABOUT 10 TO 12% IN THE ACADEMY.

WE'LL LOSE ABOUT 10 TO 12% IN FIELD TRAINING.

WE HAVE SOME ACADEMIES.

WE DON'T LOSE ANY, UH, AND SO WE'LL GO TO FIELD TRAINING WITH A FULL COMPLIMENT.

UH, AND SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT'S A CONTINGENT BASED TYPE OF DEAL.

UH, WE WILL TRY TO START THE ACADEMY WITH ENOUGH PERSONNEL TO ACCOMMODATE FOR KNOWN VACANCIES, UH, PLUS THE ATTRITION RATE THAT WE EXPERIENCE.

UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN ART KIND OF BASED ON SCIENCE.

UH, WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE WITH BEING ABLE TO KIND OF HIT THAT.

UH, OUR, OUR MAIN GOAL IS NOT TO GO THROUGH LONG PERIODS OF TIME WHERE WE'RE DRAMATICALLY UNDERSTAFFED BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE VACANT IS A POSITION OUT OF PATROL.

AND BECAUSE OF MINIMUM STAFFING AND SAFETY EXPECTATIONS, UH, WHEN WE START IN INCREASING THOSE VACANCIES, YOU START UTILIZING OVERTIME TO STAFF, AND IT'S NOT JUST A FISCAL ISSUE, THEN IT BECOMES AN ISSUE ON HAVING PEOPLE WORK TOO MANY HOURS.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, MORE DIRECT.

UH, WE ANTICIPATED AN ACADEMY THIS SEPTEMBER, MAYBE ONE TOWARDS THE END OF 27.

IF, IF WE CAN SUSTAIN THE ONES THAT WE HIRE, HOPEFULLY NOT TILL SPRING OF 28.

THANKS.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET A HANDLE ON ME WHEN 79% OF YOUR BUDGET'S PERSONNEL, AND YOU'RE GONNA LOSE ROUGHLY 15% OR MORE.

AND SO IT'S HARD TO GET A PICTURE.

WHAT'S YOUR TOTAL PERSONNEL? OF COURSE, AS WE BRING IN NEW, WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING THEM IN AT A, AT A GRADE AND A LEVEL LOWER THAN PROBABLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RETIRING, BUT JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR THAT.

YES, SIR.

AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE START SPITTING OUT NUMBERS AND PERCENTAGES.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT QUICKLY GET GLOSSED OVER ON WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 15% VOLATILITY, VOLATILITY, 15% OF THE WHOLE FORCE.

SO THAT'S 137 CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED POSITIONS.

SO WE'RE SAYING UP TO 18 OF THOSE POSITIONS WE ANTICIPATE TO, TO LEAD.

I THINK THE NUMBER IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND 15, BUT 18 SHOULDN'T SHOCK US.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, 34% OF OUR WORKFORCE, PROFESS OR SWORN WORKFORCE COULD RETIRE TODAY.

SO A THIRD OF OUR OFFICERS HAVE REACHED THE 20 YEAR THRESHOLD.

SO WE'RE NOT PROJECTING EVERYONE THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT'S RETIRING.

SO WE, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A DELTA OUT THERE THAT, THAT WE'RE GUESSING AT BASED ON PAST HISTORY, AND THEN CURRENT STAFF KIND OF SHARING A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THEIR PERSONAL PLANS ARE.

UM, BUT I WOULD WRITE THAT 15% IN PENCIL, NOT INK, UH, BECAUSE WE COULD BE, HAVE A LOT, A LARGER EXPOSURE DEPENDING ON WHAT THOSE DECISIONS ARE HERE OVER THE NEXT 18 TO 24 MONTHS.

OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN YOU, AND THIS MAY BE A, A QUESTION FOR MS. PANAS, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THAT 29 MILLION ON PERSONNEL WAS CALCULATED? DID IT MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT WE WERE LOSING 15%? DID IT INCLUDE STEPS? WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN IT? I, I'LL LET, UH, THE HR DIRECTOR CORRECT ME, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S DIRECT NUMBERS FROM THE PAYROLL FORM OR FROM THE PAYROLL, UH, DATABASE.

AND SO IT, IT IDENTIFIES WHO'S IN WHAT STEP IN THEIR PROGRESSION.

SO IT INCLUDES THEIR ANNUAL STEP RAISES.

UH, OF COURSE WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING A CBA, SO THERE'S NO KNOWN DELTA FOR ANY INCREASE THAT MAY OCCUR THERE, BUT IT'S BASED ON HARD NUMBERS.

UH, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY ASSUMPTIONS IN THERE.

I'M LOOKING AROUND FOR .

THAT, THAT THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WHAT PUTS US IN A GOOD POSITION ON THAT IS WE DO IT OFF OF KNOWN PERSONNEL.

AND SO, LIKE, LIKE YOU HAD ALLUDED TO, THERE'S GONNA BE RETIREMENTS OF, OF PEOPLE.

UH, AND SO THAT'S GONNA RESULT IN LOWER PO LOWER POSITIONS WITHIN THAT PAY GRADE.

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UH, FROM THEIR SUCCESSORS.

SO THERE, THERE IS A PROBABLY A LESS OF AN IMPACT, BUT YOU CAN'T CALCULATE IT THAT WAY, THAT WAY

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SO KATHY, IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT STEPS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT? YES.

IT'S EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

SO IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT RETIRED, THEY'RE STILL IN THERE.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT HIRED YET BECAUSE OF AN ACADEMY, THEY'RE NOT IN THERE YET EITHER.

SO IT'S REALLY YOUR CURRENT STAFF AND WHAT THEY WOULD BE PAID NEXT YEAR.

OKAY.

WITH STEPS.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AT LEAST CAPTURING THAT ASPECT OF IT.

UM, SO ON THE, THE BUILDING OUT AT THE LAKE, HOW LONG DO WE EXPECT IT TO TAKE TO FOR CONSTRUCTION ? GOOD QUESTION.

SO, UH, THE CAPITAL PROJECT BUILDING TO REPLACE THE, THE LAKE FACILITY MM-HMM .

UH, DEPUTY CHIEF LARRY CAMPBELL IS HERE AND HE MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE DIRECTLY TO IT, OR AT LEAST TELL ME THAT I'M WRONG IF HE WOULD LIKE TO, TO JOIN ME .

UH, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT QUITE PREPARED TO PROCEED ON THAT ONE.

WE'RE STILL IN MAKING SURE OUR SITE PLAN AND ALL, THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT.

I THINK ONCE IT ACTUALLY GETS GOING, I WOULD THINK 18 TO 24 MONTHS WOULD BE CONSERVATIVE.

YEAH.

DEPUTY CHIEF LARRY CAMPBELL, THE ESTIMATE FROM THE ARCHITECTS IS ABOUT 18 TO 24 MONTHS FROM ONCE, ONCE WE START, BECAUSE THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME DIRT WORK OUT THERE, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS BEFORE WE'VE GOTTA HAVE OPERATING COSTS FOR THAT FACILITY INCLUDED HERE.

WELL IF WE AWARD THE BID NEXT YEAR, WE WOULD NEED FUNDING FOR IT NEXT YEAR.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED FUNDING TO BUILD IT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPERATING COSTS OPERATING, YES, YES.

THE OPERATING COSTS ARE, ARE FIGURED IN NOW BECAUSE WE WOULD BE LEAVING OUR EXISTING FACILITY GOING TO THAT NEW ONE AND WE OBVIOUSLY THERE'LL BE SOME INCREASED OPERATIONAL COSTS FOR THE NEW FACILITY.

I MEAN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE CONCERN THAT I THINK ALL OF US HAVE AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE'RE WATCHING THE RESERVES SHRINK THAT WE'RE GONNA GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE RELYING ON NEW MONEY EVERY YEAR IF WE DON'T TURN THE TIDE HERE, IF WE DON'T FIND A SOLUTION TO ALL THIS.

UM, SO WE'VE GOTTA BE WELL AWARE OF THAT AS WE STEP INTO IT.

YOU'RE CORRECT, SIR.

YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, JAKE.

[3. Presentation, Discussion, and Consideration of Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Budget Recommendations Made by the Community Agency Review Commission including: Boys Ranch Town, $8,000.00; Edmond Family Counseling, $95,000.00; Edmond Fine Arts Institute, $80,000.00; Edmond Historic Preservation Trust, $20,000.00; Edmond Mobile Meals, $110,000.00; Edmond Public Schools Foundation, $60,000.00; Edmond Round Up Club, $10,000.00; Edmond YMCA, $15,000.00; Family Therapy Clinic, $20,000.00; Folds of Honor, $5,000.00; Fostering Sweet Dreams, $20,000.00; Heartline, $13,000.00; Hope Center of Edmond, $85,000.00; Lilyfield, $30,000.00; Ministries of Jesus, $55,000.00; Mission 143, $25,000.00; Neighborhood Housing Services, $20,000.00; Oasis Clubhouse, $71,000.00; Oklahoma Project Woman, $8,000.00; Peaceful Family Solutions, $35,000.00; Project 66, $65,000.00; Turning Point Ministries, $100,000.00; U R Special Ministries, $30,000.00; and UCO Endeavor Games. $20,000.00.]

AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THOSE.

I'LL LET MS. BATTERSON TAKE US THROUGH THIS.

THANK YOU.

UH, CHRISTIE BATTERSON, DIRECTOR OF HOUSING COMMUNITY RESOURCES.

I AM THE STAFF LIAISON FOR THE COMMUNITY AGENCY REVIEW, COMMISSIONER CLARK AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBJECTS, WHICH IS OUR NONPROFIT AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS.

SO TODAY I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH A FEW SLIDES, UM, REALLY GIVING YOU THE BACKGROUND OF HOW CLARK CAME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THIS, UH, THIS TIME AROUND.

UM, WE'VE SPENT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS MAKING REVISIONS TO THEIR PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES AS WELL AS TO THE ORDINANCE.

LAST YEAR, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE DID MAKE, UH, CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THAT THE FLAT ALLOCATION TO OUR ORGANIZATIONS WOULD BE A MAX OF $1 MILLION.

UM, THEY'VE SPENT TWO DAYS REVIEWING APPLICATIONS, UH, THREE AND A HALF HOURS ON MARCH 31ST.

UH, WE GOT 27 APPLICATIONS.

AND THEN ON APRIL 1ST, UH, I'M SORRY, APRIL 2ND, THEY THEN DELIBERATED BETWEEN AMONGST THEM AND, UH, DECIDED ON 24 ORGANIZATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FUNDING.

JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH OUR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS OF WHAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED FOR THE COMMUNITY.

YOU'LL HEAR ME TIME AND TIME AGAIN STAND UP AND SAY WE CAN'T DO WITH WHAT WE DO HERE IN THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT OUR NONPROFITS PROVIDING SERVICES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.

AND OVER THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'M GONNA KIND OF GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OF SOME INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED THEM IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MAKE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, UM, COMMUNITY SNAPSHOT, WE ALL KNOW OUR POPULATION IS GROWING.

UM, AS OF JULY 1ST, 2024, IT WAS AT 99,000, A LITTLE OVER 99,000.

AND WE'RE EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT.

22% OVER THE AGE OF 60, 26 OR BELOW 18, YOU'LL HEAR US TALK ABOUT, AND I'VE BROUGHT UP, UM, THIS FACT TO YOU BEFORE THAT OUR AGING POPULATION IS OUTGROWING OUR YOUNGER POPULATION.

UM, THEY LOOK AT 2030 TO KIND OF BE THAT PINPOINT WHERE OUR OLDER POPULATION'S GONNA OUTPACE.

OUR YOUNGER 8% OF EDMOND'S POPULATION IS LIVING BELOW POVERTY LEVEL.

AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT POVERTY LEVEL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHAT IS SET BY THE USDA AND THAT'S A LITTLE OVER $15,000.

UM, AND THEN NEARLY 10,000

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UM, AND THAT FOR A HOUSEHOLD OF FOUR THIS YEAR, THEY'RE GETTING READY TO CHANGE MAY ONE.

BUT THIS YEAR, UH, CURRENTLY THEY'RE SITTING AROUND 78009% OF RESIDENTS DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE AND 6% RECEIVE FOOD STAMPS OR SNAP BENEFITS.

SO I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE.

WE HAVE RECENTLY STARTED A RESOURCE COALITION.

WE HAVE BRANDED AT EDMUND CONNECT YOUR CARE CONNECTION.

AND THIS IS, UM, A VARIETY OF ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT MY TEAM OVERSEE, KIND OF OVERSEES OR PARTNERS WITH.

UM, THEY, WE HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS.

THIS IS ALSO, UH, SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS JOIN IN ON THIS COALITION.

AND SO RECENTLY WE PULLED THEM TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY ARE SEEING IN THE COMMUNITY.

'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE PROVIDING THE RESOURCE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE THAT 48%, UM, ARE HAVING HOUSING ISSUES OR SEEING THE NEED FOR HOUSING.

UM, WE ALSO WORK CLOSELY WITH HEARTLINE OR 2 1 1, AND EVERY MONTH WHEN THEY REPORT TO US, THAT IS THEIR NUMBER ONE REQUEST IS HOUSING AS WELL.

UM, SO THE CAR, UH, COMMISSION TOOK THIS OF WHAT THEIR TOP THREE RESOURCES WOULD BE, HOUSING, MENTAL HEALTH, AND, AND, UM, I'M SORRY, IN FOOD INSECURITY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT LISTED UP HERE DIRECTLY, WERE THEIR TOP THREE PRIORITIES THAT THEY SET FOR.

IN LOOKING AT ORGANIZATIONS THAT APPLIED FOR FUNDING AND DOING BY DOING THIS AND PROVIDING THESE RESOURCES, WE'RE MAKING A MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY.

YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND YOU'LL ALSO HEAR ME TALK ABOUT A COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION, WHICH IS VERY, UM, APPARENT WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.

THE, THE MORE WE CAN MAKE OUR COMMUNITY RESILIENT, THE LESS THAT PUBLIC SAFETY WILL HAVE TO RESPOND AS OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

UM, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THIS COLLABORATION AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT, UM, WE NEED IN PLACE IN ORDER TO DO THIS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED LAST YEAR WAS THE EVALUATION SCORING.

UM, WE, UM, BENCHMARKED ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OFF OF A CITY IN ILLINOIS.

UM, WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS ASSISTANCE TO OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS.

UM, NOT VERY MANY, UH, MUNICIPALITIES DO THAT.

UM, IF THEY DO, IT'S VERY LIMITED.

I KNOW NORMAN DOES A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IT, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THEIR CDBG FUNDING CANNOT, UH, DO PUBLIC SINCE ANY LONGER.

SO THEY TAKE IT OUT OF THEIR GENERAL FUND.

UH, AGAIN, VERY LIMITED THOUGH.

UM, AND SO WE FELT THAT IT WOULD BE, THIS IS A SCORING MA MATRIX FROM, UH, ILLINOIS AND THE CLARK, UM, COMMISSION LAST YEAR MADE IT AND ADJUSTED IT TO WHAT THEY FELT WOULD, WOULD WORK FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO AGAIN, THE TOP THREE PRIORITIES WERE HOUSING, FOOD, AND MENTAL HEALTH.

UM, THE FIRST GO AROUND AFTER, ON APRIL 2ND WHEN, UH, THE COMMISSION STARTED DELIBERATING WAS THEY TOOK THE TOP THREE RESOURCES THAT WERE NEEDED.

SO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS PROVIDED THAT TYPE OF, UM, SERVICE ANYBODY, THEY HAD THEIR INITIAL CUTOFF AT 90%.

SO THESE AGENCIES UP HERE, UM, WERE LISTED AS THOSE THAT EITHER GOT FULL FUNDING, SO MAJORITY OF THE HOUSING THAT PROVIDED A RESOURCE THAT WAS LIKE RENTAL ASSISTANCE, UM, WOULD GET THEIR FULL FUNDING.

I WILL SAY THAT THE HOPE CENTER IS HIGHLIGHTED UP HERE.

UM, THEY HAVE, THEY'RE NOT A NEW ORGANIZATION TO CART, HOWEVER, IT'S NEW PROGRAMMING HISTORICALLY, THEY'VE GONE LAST YEAR THEY ASKED FOR FOOD ASSISTANCE IN YEARS PRIOR.

THEY HAVE, UM, ASKED FOR UTILITY ASSISTANCE.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER, LAST YEAR WE MADE THE CHANGE TO PULL THE UTILITY ASSISTANCE THAT THEY RECEIVED TO ADMINISTER.

AND THAT COMES THROUGH, UH, A, A PORTION OF, UH, CHRIS KNIFING AND GLEN GLEN'S FISHER'S, UM, ALLOCATION FROM THEIR BUDGET.

UM, SO THAT IS SEPARATE.

UM, BUT THEIR RENTAL, WHAT THEY ASKED FOR THIS YEAR WAS RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

UM, EVERYBODY ELSE THAT IS ON THIS LIST HAS RECEIVED FUNDING IN PREVIOUS YEARS, AND THEY EITHER RECEIVED WHAT, UH, THEY ASKED FOR LAST YEAR, OR THEY RECEIVED THEIR FULL ALLOCATION THIS YEAR.

UM, I WILL NOTE THAT EDMOND FAMILY COUNSELING WAS ONE OF THE FEW THAT ASKED FOR LESS THAN THEY ASKED FOR LAST YEAR.

UM, AND THEY GOT, THEY WERE THE VERY FIRST ONES TO GET RECOMMENDED FULL FUNDING BECAUSE OF THAT.

WE, FIVE OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, LIKE I SAID, WE HAD 27 TOTAL LAST YEAR.

WE HAD 21.

UM, THESE ORGANIZATIONS UP HERE, NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES MISSION 1 4 3, OKLAHOMA PROJECT, WOMEN FAMILY THERAPY CLINIC, AND WILLOW RANCH ARE ALL NEW ORGANIZATIONS.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DOES SIMILAR TO WHAT HOPE CENTER DOES.

UH, THEY DO RENTAL ASSISTANCE, THEY

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AND THEY ALSO PROVIDE, UH, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.

MISSION 1 4 3 IS A NEW ORGANIZATION, UH, CLARK RECOMMENDED THEM RECEIVING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDING OUTSIDE THE 20,000 MISSION.

1 4 3 IN PARTICULAR WORKS WITH OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION.

UM, THEY ARE A MINISTRY OUT OF NEW COVENANT CHURCH.

UM, OVER THE LAST YEAR, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HOUSE ALMOST 200 PEOPLE, UH, THROUGH THEIR FUNDING THAT THEY DO SOLELY ON FUNDRAISING.

UM, AND WE ARE STARTING TO PARTNER WITH THEM NOT ONLY ON OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION HERE AT THE COMMUNITY, IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO WITH OUR SCHOOL AGED BASED FAMILIES THAT GO THROUGH EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

WE HAVE AROUND APPROXIMATELY 500 FAMILIES THAT ARE UNHOUSED THROUGH EDMOND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND THAT IS GONNA BE THEIR FOCUS OVER THE NEXT YEAR.

AS WELL AS THOSE UNHOUSED, UH, MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, OKLAHOMA PROJECT WOMEN, UM, THEY, UH, DO, UH, THEY PROVIDE VOUCHERS FOR EXAMS FOR BREAST WELLNESS EXAMS AND FAMILY, UM, SO THAT THEY WORK WITH, UH, MINISTRIES OF JESUS AS WELL AS OTHER CLINICS TO PROVIDE THAT FREE OF CHARGE TO WOMEN THAT MAY QUALIFY.

FAMILY THERAPY CLINIC.

UM, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE AS WELL.

THEY ARE OUT OF OKLAHOMA CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY.

UM, THEY PROVIDE CLINICAL OR, UH, BEHAVIORAL SERVICES ON A SLIDING SCALE TO RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY ARE OUR PARTNER WITH US IN OUR MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMMING, UH, WITH OUR SYSTEM OF CARE GRANT.

AND SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER OUTLET FOR FAMILIES AND YOUTH THAT NEED THERAPY, UM, DUE TO A VARIETY OF ILLNESSES.

AND THEN WILLOW RANCH WAS A NEW ONE AS WELL.

THEY DO, UM, THERAPY ON, UH, WITH AQUION, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT RIGHT, WITH HORSES.

UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE COMMISSION DID NOT RECOMMEND FUNDING FOR THEM.

THEY FELT THAT THEIR, UM, NON-PROFITS STATUS, UM, AND THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH THEIR APPLICATION THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE, UH, THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDING THEM.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF BACK UP, THEY, EACH ORGANIZATION, IT'S A, IT WAS 1100, 1100 PAGES, UH, AGENDA ITEM, UM, FOR THEIR TUESDAY, UH, SESSION.

SO EVERY AGENCY HAS TO PROVIDE AN APPLICATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS, UH, MINUTES FROM THEIR BOARD MEETINGS, UH, A, UH, AUDIT OR A, A REASON WHY THEY DIDN'T GET LIKE AN AUDIT.

UH, THEIR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, A BUDGET, UM, AND SOME, SOME OTHER THINGS.

AND REALLY GIVE A REASON OF WHY THEY NEED THIS MONEY, HOW WOULD IT AFFECT THEM IF THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE THIS MONEY, UM, WHAT OTHER FUNDRAISING THEY ARE DOING.

AND REALLY, EVERY ORGANIZATION GETS ASKED WHAT ADDITIONAL FUNDRAISING THAT THEY'RE DOING.

NO CAPITAL, UM, EXPENSES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COVERED WITH THIS FUNDING.

AND VERY LITTLE SALARIES SHOULD BE COVERED WITH THIS FUNDING ONLY TO ADMINISTER THAT PROGRAMMING.

SO YOU COULD ARGUE THAT HIRING FAMILY COORDINATE OR FAMILY COUNSELORS IS TO CARRY OUT THE PROGRAMMING THAT THEY NEED.

SO WHAT WAS REMAINING AFTER THEY DID THAT INITIAL PASS THROUGH WAS THE COMMUNITY ENRICHMENT OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

UM, I'M NOT GONNA RE READ THROUGH ALL OF THESE IF YOU WANT, BUT THEY WERE SCORED, AGAIN, THOSE THAT SCORED ABOVE THAT 90 EITHER RECEIVED WHAT THEY RECEIVED LAST YEAR OR FULL RECOMMENDATION FUNDING THIS YEAR, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW.

AND THEN CHARACTER COUNSEL OF EDMOND AND EDMOND LAND CONSERVANCY WERE NOT RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING THIS YEAR.

SO THIS IS JUST TOTAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION WAS REQUESTED BY 27 ORGANIZATIONS, AND CLARK HAS, UM, RECOMMENDED THAT FLAT 1 MILLION.

THEY DID NOT GO OVER THAT.

AND THERE'S FOUR ORGANIZATIONS, YEAH, FOUR ORGANIZATIONS THAT DID NOT GET RECOMMENDATION FOR FUNDING.

I'M SORRY, THREE.

UM, I WILL SAY THAT THEY ALSO QUESTION EDMOND HISTORIC PRESERVATION TRUST.

UM, THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT ONE SHOULD REMAIN IN CARC OR BE REMOVED FROM CARC.

AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE THEIR APPLICATION WAS FOR LAST YEAR, THEY APPLIED FOR SECURITY MEASURES TO PUT LIKE CAMERAS AND LIGHTING ON THE BUILDING.

UM, THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY SPENT THE FUNDING ON.

THEY SPENT IT ON FLOORING OF THE SCHOOLHOUSE.

UM, AND SO WHEN ASKED ABOUT THAT, UM, THEY REALLY DIDN'T GIVE MUCH OF AN ANSWER.

AND SO THEY FELT THAT PERHAPS THE, THE BEING THAT THE ONLY MONEY THAT THIS, OR THE ONLY FUNDING THAT THIS MONEY GOES TOWARDS, SORRY, I SAID THAT WRONG.

THE FUNDING THAT THIS GOES TOWARDS ON THE SCHOOL HOUSE IS COVERING EITHER CAPITAL OR TO MAINTAIN THE SCHOOL HOUSE.

SO THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT BELONGED IN CLARK ANY LONGER.

UM, SO WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MY TEAM,

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UM, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS 1100 PAGES TOTAL.

SO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, I JUST HAVE A ONE COMMENT.

THE, I I JUST THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT.

I, I GET TO TALK TO PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE STATE WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY YESTERDAY, IN FACT FROM TULSA AND SAID, WELL, YOU'RE IN EDMOND.

ALL YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AND DEAL WITH IS AFF FLUENCY.

SO I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THESE THINGS.

LIKE 8% OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE POVERTY LEVEL, UH, 30% OF THEM COST BURDEN WITH RESPECT TO HOUSING AND 10,000 OF THEM WITH BELOW THE A MI INCOME LEVEL.

AND SO I, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART, I THINK AND FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND APPRECIATE YOUR AND YOUR TEAM'S EFFORTS AND MEETING THAT.

ANYONE ELSE? I SAY THIS EVERY YEAR, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

YES, I AGREE.

I AM REALLY GLAD OUR CITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS AND UM, IT WAS MY INTRODUCTION TO SERVING AND HERE I AM.

SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM AND I LOVE, UH, TO SEE THE CITIZENS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THIS.

I'VE FOUND THAT, UM, THEY'RE ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT NEW COMMUNITY SERVICES AND I THINK EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT THESE, I SAW SOME PEOPLE GET THEIR PHONES OUT THAT THEY'VE DISCOVERED A NEW COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY RESOURCE AND, UM, SO I THINK THIS IS DOUBLY BENEFICIAL FOR OUR, FOR OUR CITIZENS.

UM, I WAS GOING TO JUST SAY ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION TRUST, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS, JUST LIKE THE HISTORY MUSEUM, UM, WAS MOVED OUT OF CLARK.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO WORK TOWARDS THAT IF THERE'S AGREEMENT ON THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A VALID CONSIDERATION.

ANYONE ELSE? SORRY I WAS LATE.

THAT'S, YOU MIGHT NOT BE SURPRISED THAT I REALLY LIKE THIS STRUCTURED WAY THAT Y'ALL DO THIS PROCESS OF RANKING THINGS, SO MM-HMM .

THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.

THANKS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

[4. Presentation, Discussion, and Consideration of Water and Wastewater Rates, including: Presentation and Discussion of the Water and Wastewater Rate Study; Discussion and Consideration of Setting Water and Wastewater Rates for Purposes of the Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Budget; and Discussion and Consideration of Directing City Staff to Prepare Necessary Documents to Formalize Water and Wastewater Rates at a Future Regular Meeting.]

MR. KNIFING, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

CHRIS KNIFING, DIRECTOR OF WATER RESOURCES, UH, KEEP IT BRIEF ON THE INTRODUCTION.

JASON GRAY IS HERE AGAIN.

UM, COMING BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

WE MET WITH PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE LAST WEEK, WENT OVER THE INFORMATION AND, UM, THIS PRESENTATION, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY BIG, UM, CHANGES FROM THAT.

COUPLE INTERESTING FACTS CAME OUT OF IT.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER WATERSON HAD, UM, WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE ONE SLIDE THAT I HAD SENT OUT TO PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE ON IF THERE WAS A REALLY WET YEAR, BUT HOW MUCH IT CAN IMPACT US.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT IFS AND TOO MANY RABBIT HOLES TO GO DOWN ON ON THIS.

UM, JUST GO OR DON'T WANT TO READ THIS TO YOU AGAIN, BUT JUST BIG PICTURE.

THI THIS IS ABOUT PRESERVING THE WATER SYSTEM.

NOT ONLY, I KNOW A LOT OF THIS GETS ASSOCIATED WITH GROWTH, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE GALLONS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH HOU HOUSEHOLD, OUR, OUR WATER PLANT WE'RE BUILDING IS 50% JUST FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S HERE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A RELIABLE WATER SUPPLY AND THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER.

AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THIS, I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO JASON AND TAKE IT BACK AT THE END AND, UH, SEE WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CHRIS, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS JASON GRAY WITH WILLAN.

UH, I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING SOME ADDITIONAL TIME TO, UH, TALK THROUGH WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES.

UM, THE SLIDES THAT WE'VE GOT IN THE PACKET, UH, FOR YOU HAVE A FEW CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

UM, NO, NO, NO CHANGES REALLY AT ALL FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE LAST WEEK.

UM, HOWEVER, WE HAVE SENT OUT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS CHRIS POINTED OUT.

AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE NEW INFORMATION OR HIGHLIGHT THOSE SLIDES THAT HAVE CHANGED BECAUSE WE DID, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE OPTION THREE BASED ON THE COMMENTARY, UM, OF THE LAST, UH, COUNCIL WORKSHOP.

AND SO I'LL FOCUS ON

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UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE SLIDES, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE THAT HAVEN'T CHANGED A LITTLE MORE A LITTLE MORE QUICKLY.

UH, SO CURRENT WATER RATE STRUCTURE, WATER AND WASTE WATER RATE STRUCTURE IS A COMBINATION OF A BASE MONTHLY CHARGE AND A VOLUMETRIC CHARGE.

UM, WE'LL HAVE SOME CONVERSATION AROUND THAT IN THE, UM, OPTIONS THAT, UH, WE PRESENTED LAST TIME I WAS HERE AS WELL AS THAT WE'VE GOT HERE TODAY, ALL THREE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE GOT IN FRONT OF YOU, CONTINUE THE PROCESS OF HAVING A BASE CHARGE AND A VOLUMETRIC CHARGE, HOWEVER, THEY TREAT THOSE THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO SETTING RATES FOR THE FUTURE FOR EDMOND.

OPTION ONE LOADS MORE OF THE COST RECOVERY AND MORE OF THE COST ESSENTIALLY INTO THE BASE CHARGE, AND IT KEEPS THE VOLUMETRIC CHARGE WHERE IT'S AT.

UH, OPTION TWO ALSO LOADS MORE INTO THE BASE CHARGE, UH, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS OPTION ONE AND ALSO HAS SOME COST ASSOCIATED WITH COST INCREASES ASSOCIATED WITH THE VOLUMETRIC CHARGE.

OPTION THREE DOES BOTH, UH, HAS BOTH INCREASES IN THE BASE AND THE VOLUMETRIC CHARGE.

HOWEVER, IT'S MOST HEAVILY WEIGHTED OF THE THREE OPTIONS TOWARDS THE VOLUMETRIC SIDE.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, JUST KIND OF KEEP IN MIND.

OPTION ONE IS MOST HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARDS THE BASE OPTION OR THE BASE CHARGE.

OPTION THREE MOST HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARDS THE VOLUME, AND OPTION TWO IS SORT OF A MIDDLE GROUND.

THE WASTEWATER, UM, RATE PLANS THAT WE'VE GOT AND THAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU TODAY HAVEN'T CHANGED FROM THE LAST MEETING, AND THEY ARE THE SAME THROUGH ALL THREE OPTIONS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UM, WA TOTAL WATER AND WASTEWATER BILL COMPARISON AS OF MARCH, YOU CAN SEE HERE EDMOND AT 1 30, 1 75, EDMAN AT 1 34 33.

UH, STILL WATER IS THE THIRD HIGHEST AT 1 27 67 WITH THE SAMPLE AVERAGE AT 1 0 7 50.

WE'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AROUND THESE COMPARISONS, AND WE'VE BROKEN OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WATER IN BLUE AND THE GREEN IS THE WASTEWATER HERE.

UM, SAME RANKINGS HERE BECAUSE ALL THIS CHART DOES IS BREAK OUT WATER AND WASTEWATER, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS, WHICH WAS JUST TOTAL BILL.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES HAVE VERY DIFFERENT WAYS IN COLLECTING THE TOTAL REVENUE REQUIREMENT AND TOTAL AMOUNT NEEDED IN ORDER TO FUND YOU.

I'LL, I'LL JUST KIND OF POINT OUT BECAUSE IT'S A BIT OF A STARK EXAMPLE STILL WATER HERE, WHICH AGAIN IS THE THIRD HIGHEST OVERALL BILL, UM, HAS A WATER BILL OF 96 84 FOR 8,000 GALLONS, AND A WASTEWATER BILL OF $30 AND 83 CENTS.

WATER IS ABOUT 50% HIGHER THAN THE SAMPLE AVERAGE FOR STILL WATER.

AND THE, UM, THE, UH, WASTEWATER SIDE IS ABOUT 50% LESS THAN THE SAMPLE AVERAGE.

THIS IS JUST A GOOD INDICATION OF WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE COMPARISONS, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE LOOK AT A TOTAL BILL IS BECAUSE OF CASES LIKE THIS WHERE WATER AND WASTEWATER ARE NOT NECESSARILY COMPLETELY RECOVERING THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PROVIDING THOSE SPECIFIC SERVICES.

OUR TARGET IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SAY, WHERE ARE WE FROM A WATER PERSPECTIVE AND WHERE ARE WE FROM A WASTEWATER PERSPECTIVE.

THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY UTILITY THAT THAT PROVIDES BOTH OF THESE SERVICES.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON OF WHERE WATER PAYS ONLY FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER ONLY PAYS FOR WASTEWATER.

AGAIN, HOWEVER, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE TARGET THAT AS THE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE BEST PRACTICE IN LOOKING AT THE 8,000 GALLON ONLY.

UM, BILL COMPARISON.

SO AGAIN, THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER, 79 87 IN EDMOND, UM, PIEDMONT, YOU'D PAY 82 87 STILLWATER, 96 84 FOR THAT SAME 8,000 GALLONS OF WATER ON THE LOW END, NORMAN TULSA, BETHANY, AND THE, UH, MID, UH, LOAD OF TO HIGH FORTIES ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE, UH, FOR A 5,000 GALLON BILL.

UH, EDMOND PAYS 51 88 TULSA, 66 10 PIEDMONT, 51 46, AND YOU CAN SEE THE REST AS THEY SHAKE OUT THERE.

WE'VE ALSO ADDED IN HERE BASED ON THE CONVERSATION AT THE LAST COUNCIL WORKSHOP, A COUPLE OF OTHER, UH, VOLUME COMPARISONS.

SO A 2000 GALLON ONLY WATER BILL, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM BILL THAT ALL OF THESE CITIES COULD GET.

UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT SOME COMMUNITIES INCLUDE 2000 GALLONS WITHIN THE BASE CHARGE ADMIN INCLUDES A THOUSAND GALLONS IN THE BASE CHARGE.

SOME COMMUNITIES DON'T INCLUDE ANY GALLONS IN THE BASE CHARGE.

2000 IS THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR, IF YOU WILL, ABOUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOWEST AMOUNT THAT SOMEBODY CAN GET BILLED AND EDMOND, THE 2000 GALLON WATER ONLY BILL IS 26 73, AND THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, LOWER THAN PIEDMONT, LOWER THAN OKLAHOMA CITY, LOWER THAN STILLWATER.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THOSE, UM, OTHER COMMUNITIES FALL OUT AS WELL.

AGAIN, THIS IS FOR A 2000 GALLON BILL, REALLY TYPICALLY IS FOR SOMEBODY THAT HAS WATER SERVICE, UM, AND IT, BUT, BUT NORMALLY IS A SINGLE PERSON THAT'S NOT DOING,

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GENERALLY SPEAKING FOR A SINGLE PERSON, THIS IS ABOUT THE LOWEST BILL THAT, THAT AN ACTIVE ACCOUNT IS GONNA GET ACROSS ANY OF THESE COMMUNITIES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT A 6,000 GALLON ONLY BILL, IT SHAKES OUT PRETTY CLOSE TO THE 8,000.

THAT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD.

UM, AT THE LAST COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

AGAIN, STILL WATER PIEDMONT, UM, ARE HIGHER THAN EDMOND'S CURRENT, UH, 6,000 GALLON BILL, AND YOU CAN SEE THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMUNITIES THERE ON THE CHART AS WELL.

SO WE'VE UPDATED THIS CHART TO SIMPLY SHOW THAT 6,000 GALLON BILL AND A 2000 GALLON BILL.

UM, LOOKING AT THE BASE CHARGES, BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS CONVERSATION IS AROUND, UH, HOW MUCH COST DO YOU PUT IN THE BASE CHARGE VERSUS HOW MUCH DO YOU LOAD INTO THE VOLUMETRIC CHARGES THEMSELVES.

YOU CAN SEE THAT BASED ON THE RATE STRUCTURE, IT REALLY DOES CHANGE WHO PAYS AND HOW MUCH THEY PAY.

WE'VE ALSO UPDATED THE, UH, BILL COMPARISONS FOR ALL OF THE SCENARIOS TO INCLUDE A WIDER VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL, UM, APPLICATIONS, UH, 50,000 AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLON USAGE ON COMMERCIAL.

SO YOU'LL SEE THOSE COME UP AS WE WORK THROUGH THE SLIDES.

WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY CHANGES AND ASSUMPTIONS TO THE CUSTOMERS, TO THE VOLUMES.

UM, ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

I WILL SAY, UM, BASED ON THE PUBLIC WORKS, UM, COMMITTEE LAST WEEK WE DID SOME SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS ON THE TOTAL VOLUMES USED AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN? UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT ESSENTIALLY A STRAIGHT LINE USE, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE NO TWO YEARS THAT HAVE A STRAIGHT LINE USE, UM, EVERY YEAR BASED ON WEATHER, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S GONNA GO UP OR DOWN, CAN BE BY AS MUCH AS ABOUT 15%.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU HAVE AND CARRY THE FUND BALANCE THAT YOU DO.

BECAUSE OF THE VOLATILITY IN RATES, THESE THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS BEGIN TO TREND DIFFERENTLY BASED ON HOW MUCH COST YOU'RE LOADING INTO THE VOLUME RATES VERSUS INTO THE BASE CHARGE.

OPTION ONE WILL DECREASE THE OVERALL VOLATILITY OF THE, UM, OF THE REVENUE STREAM BECAUSE IT'S LOADING MORE COST INTO THE BASE CHARGE.

OPTION THREE KEEPS IT ROUGHLY WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW.

NONE OF THE OPTIONS INCREASE THE VOLATILITY, UM, OF YOUR REVENUE STREAM AS WE SEE IT.

SO AGAIN, UM, I'LL POINT OUT THE, THE, UH, RELATIVELY LARGE JUMP BETWEEN 27 AND 28, UH, THAT IS DUE LARGELY TO THE LOGAN ONE PUMP STATION THAT'S EXPECTED TO COME ONLINE DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.

OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE PROJECTING SIMPLY A STRAIGHT LINE INCREASING WITH GROWTH, UH, WATER USAGE TOTAL.

AGAIN, WE RECOGNIZE REALITY IS GONNA MORE LOOK MORE LIKE THOSE BARS ON THE LEFT OF THIS CHART, UH, WHICH ARE HISTORICAL ACTUALS.

IT'S GONNA BE UP SOME YEARS DOWN SOME YEARS BASED ON WEATHER.

UH, BUT FOR PROJECTION PURPOSES, WE PROJECTED AS, UH, UH, SIMPLY GROWING AS THE COMMUNITY GROWS.

AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL WATER CONSUMPTION HAS TRENDED DOWN.

UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST, UH, COUNCIL WORKSHOP.

I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS.

UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UM, YOU'VE HAD A, A ROBUST AND I THINK WILL LIKELY HAVE A CONTINUED ROBUST CONVERSATION AROUND FUND BALANCE.

THERE IS VOLATILITY, UM, IN ANY KIND OF RATE STRUCTURE THAT INCLUDES ANY VOLUMETRIC CHARGE, WHICH IS ALMOST ALL OF THEM THAT ARE OUT THERE.

UM, AND SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO TAKE IN MIND AS THIS COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO AGE AS WATER CONSERVATION BECOMES MORE OF AN ISSUE, AS WATER COST CONTINUES TO INCREASE, WE EXPECT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE PER HOUSEHOLD AND THAT'S BUILT INTO THE MODEL AS WELL.

CURRENT COST OF SERVICE, NONE OF OUR BASELINE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED.

HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, FOR THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TODAY, ALL OF THEM ARE ASSUMING THE MIDPOINT, UH, SCENARIO FOR COST ASSUMPTION ON THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

UM, WE HAVE NOT SHOWN, UH, CONTINUE TO SHOW OPTION FOUR, WHICH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT USED THE SCENARIO TWO, THE UPPER END OF THE CIP AT 716.6 MILLION.

UM, SO NONE OF THE OPTIONS TODAY WOULD FUND THAT LEVEL OF CIP.

THEY'RE ALL TARGETED TOWARDS THE 6 48 0.5 MILLION.

AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WILL COME IN AT.

UM, I'M SURE THAT, UH, CHRIS AND HIS TEAM WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS THAT GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS.