* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOOD [00:00:01] EVENING. [1. Call to Order of the Edmond City Council Meeting.] WE'RE [A. Presentation of a Proclamation Recognizing May 3-9, 2026 as National Travel & Tourism Week in the City of Edmond.] GONNA START OFF TONIGHT. ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE ONE PRESENTATION, A PRESENTATION OF A PROCLAMATION, RECOGNIZING MAY 3RD THROUGH THE NINTH. 2026 IS NATIONAL TRAVEL AND TOURISM WEEK IN THE CITY OF EDMOND. AND I AM NOT SEEING THAT VIDEO. JENNIFER, DID YOU JUST WANT TO COME UP ? HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. WHEREAS TRAVEL AND TOURISM IS OKLAHOMA'S THIRD LARGEST INDUSTRY AND PROVIDES SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC AND ENTERTAINMENT BENEFITS TO CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS. AND WHEREAS EDMOND'S 13 HOTELS, ONE BED AND BREAKFAST AND 150 VACATION HOMES COLLECT 6% LODGING TAX AND WELCOME GUESTS YEAR ROUND. AND WHEREAS VISITORS GENERATED AN ESTIMATED 20% OF TOTAL SPENDING IN EDMOND IN 2025 AND SALES AND LODGING TAX REVENUE HELPS MAKE EDMOND A SAFE AND FUN PLACE TO VISIT. AND WHEREAS EDMOND WELCOMED AND ESTIMATED 6.6 MILLION VISITORS IN 2025, AND THEY CONTRIBUTED APPROXIMATELY $200 MILLION TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. THEREFORE, I MARK A. NASH MAYOR, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 3RD THROUGH SIXTH, 2026 AS NATIONAL TRAVEL AND TOURISM MONTH IN THE CITY OF EDMOND. GOOD EVENING. I'M JENNIFER THORNTON, TOURISM DIRECTOR AND I'VE GOT SOME VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE BEHIND ME TODAY BECAUSE TOURISM IS THE BEST WAY TO ENJOY YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY. SO BEHIND ME YOU'LL SEE SPORTS FACILITIES AND TOURISM DIRECTORS AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND OWNER OF, UM, RESTAURANTS. AND SO TOGETHER WE ALL GET TO WELCOME VISITORS YEAR ROUND. UM, YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED THAT WE HAVE 47 MILES OF TRAILS IN EDMOND. OF COURSE, ARCADIA LAKE IS THE BEST, UM, LAKE FOR ALL OF THE ENJOYMENT YEAR ROUND IN EDMOND. ALSO MORE THAN 300 PUBLIC ART, UM, AROUND THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. THAT'S SCULPTURES AND MURALS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT OUR VISITORS GET TO ENJOY. SO I DO WANNA INTRODUCE CHRIS BERRY. HE'S OUR VICE CHAIR OF OUR TOURISM BOARD. YOU RAISE THAT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. AS EVER SAID, MY NAME'S CHRIS BERRY. I'M THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE TOURISM BOARD OF VOLUNTEER EDMOND RESIDENT AND JUST APPRECIATIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT EDMOND DOES TO HELP SUPPORT TOURISM. WE KNOW, AS YOU HEARD IN UH, THE INTRODUCTION TOURISM BRINGS IN 20% OF THAT SALES TAX REVENUE, THE INCREDIBLE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE ONLINE CURRENTLY, AND THOSE WILL BE COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT YEAR. REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THAT IMPACT DOES AND HOW MUCH HIGHER THE TOURISM DOLLARS ARE AT THE IMPACT ADMIN AND HELP CREATE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE ALL LOVE. I THINK WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. I PROMISE WE'LL START THAT OVER FOR YOU. TAYLOR . WELL, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE WON'T. MOVING [3. Citizen Comments. This is an opportunity for residents and non-residents to address the City Council on city-related matters not on the agenda or scheduled for a public hearing. Citizens must sign up to speak either online by 3:00 p.m. the day of the City Council meeting, or in person by the start of the meeting. All remarks must be directed to the Mayor or Chair of the meeting, are limited to three minutes or less, and must otherwise be made in accordance with the City Council / Public Works Authority rules, available here and in the City Hall lobby. Please note that members of the City Council cannot respond to issues brought up in Citizen Comments if they are not on the agenda, in accordance with state law.] ON TO ITEM THREE CITIZENS' COMMENTS. WE HAVE ONE PERSON SPEAKING TONIGHT. TAYLOR WILSON, IF YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, BE SURE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND I REMIND YOU TO ADDRESS ALL YOUR COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES WE'LL ADD. OKAY, SO IF HE DOESN'T START IT OVER AGAIN, [00:05:01] WE'LL ADD 15 SECONDS. THERE YOU GO. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. I USUALLY DON'T GO THAT LONG. I APPRECIATE IT. TAYLOR WILSON. 7 4 8 DUNE CIRCLE. IT'S, UH, IT'S ON HERE. THERE WE GO. IS THAT BETTER? YEAH, THERE YOU GO. UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS. A THAT'S A GREAT BOARD. I GO TO A LOT OF THE BOARDS AND THAT'S A GREAT DYNAMIC BOARD THAT WITH LEADERSHIP OF STAN AND JENNIFER THAT DO A LOT OF ACTIVITIES, BUT ALSO SELF REFLECTION AND DEEP DISCUSSIONS WHEN NECESSARY. THEY'RE NOT WITHOUT MAKING HARD DECISIONS, SO REALLY APPRECIATE IT. SECOND THING ON MY LIST WAS FOR THOSE MAYOR, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, GO BEHIND SPROUTS AND LOOK AT WHAT AUSTIN TENNELL IS DOING. THAT IS A FANTASTIC PROJECT FOR EDMOND THAT IS BUILT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. IT'S, UH, THE TOWNSEND APOLLO GROUP. IT'S WORTH EVERYBODY DRIVING BY AND SEEING WHAT IT IS. IT'S VERY NICE. THIRD THING ON MY LIST IS I SEE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT IS A TRANSIT ERTA TO SEE WHAT LARGER CITIES ARE DOING, WHICH I FULLY SUPPORT, AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO GO SEE WHAT LARGER CITIES ARE DOING. AT THE LAST BUDGET WORKSHOP, WE SPOKE ABOUT TAXES AND THE CITY OF EDMOND AND I JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, UM, THAT FITS RELATIVE TO THE CITY SERVICES. WHERE DOES RTA FIT IN THE PROGRESSION? BECAUSE BASED ON ONE TRANSIT AGENDA, OUR PORTION OF THE COST WENT UP 50% THIS NEXT YEAR, AND THEIR COSTS ARE EVEN 50%, EVEN MORE OF THOSE ONE TRANSIT STATES THAT THERE'S BEEN NO PUSHBACK FROM ANY REPRESENTATIVE CITIES INCLUDING EDMOND. SO I'D LIKE TO VERIFY WITH YOU AND YOUR FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS IS, DO WE A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT RTA IN ONE TRANSIT? SO ARE WE SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD RAISE TAXES FOR CITY SERVICES AS WE, SINCE WE'RE THE LOWEST IN THE REGION AND WE NEED IT, IN MY OPINION, BUT WHERE DOES THAT FIT WITHIN RTA? IS IT, ARE WE FOR BOTH OF THOSE OR ONE OF THOSE ONE TRANSIT STARTING TO DO ROAD SHOWS? AND THOSE ROAD SHOWS ARE MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? SO ONE THING I'VE ASKED THEM FOR OVER A YEAR IS WHAT IS THEIR ECONOMIC MODEL? HOW MUCH, HOW MANY WRITERS, HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA REALLY COST? AND WHAT ARE REALISTIC TIMELINES AS WE WORK THROUGH THOSE? I'D ALSO LIKE THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE THAT IT'S NOT THE CITY OF EDMOND THAT GETS TO DECIDE THIS. IF, IF OKLAHOMA CITY RESIDENTS VOTE WITH SUCH NUMBERS. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT EDMOND THINKS OR DOESN'T THINK RELATIVE TO THIS ONE TRANSIT STRATEGY. AND I'M NOT AGAINST THE TRAIN, BUT WHAT I WANT IS MORE DISCUSSION AND TRANSPARENCY AS THAT WORKS THROUGH. LASTLY, ON MY LIST, ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T SEE BEN SASS THING LAST NIGHT ON 60 MINUTES, I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO GO SEE IT BECAUSE ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND WHAT REALLY MATTERS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN LASTLY, THANK YOU AND YOUR FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR ALL YOUR DEDICATION THAT YOU CARE FOR THE CITY AND I AS A CITIZEN. THAT GOES TO A LOT OF STUFF. APPRECIATE WHAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU DO EVERY DAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. WILSON. [4. Appointments and Reappointments:] ITEM FOUR APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE TWO THIS EVENING. COULD I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE? SO MOVE MAYOR. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. ITEM FIVE, [A. Case No. PR25-00016; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Preliminary Plat for The Grove at Coffee Creek, located South of Coffee Creek Road, West of Boulevard Avenue. (Double Eagle Development; Ward 1)] CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS FIVE. A CASE NUMBER PR TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 16 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE GROVE AT COFFEE CREEK LOCATED SOUTH OF COFFEE CREEK ROAD, WEST OF BOULEVARD AVENUE. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES. HI. HI, CHRISTIE MCCONE, UH, PRINCIPAL PLANNER. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE GROVE AT COFFEE CREEK, LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SHORT GRASS ROAD NORTH APOLLO. DALE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 16.7 ACRES AND CONTAINS A PRIVATE STREET, WHICH IS A CONDITION THAT REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. THE PLAT SHOWS 15 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND CONFORMS TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PUD ZONING. ACCESS IS PROVIDED FROM SHORT BRASS ROAD BY CONSTRUCTING A NEW PRIVATE STREET. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ZERO ON THEIR APRIL 7TH, 2026 MEETING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? [00:10:01] I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COUNCIL? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? I'M SEEING NONE. I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION. YES, IF YOU WOULD JOIN US. ABSOLUTELY. SO WHEN I LOOK AT ACTUALLY WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW YES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK WITH THAT ALTERNATE POND LOCATION? UM, I CAN'T TELL BY THE, THE TOPO LINES ON THERE, WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING HERE. OKAY. WELL, ESSENTIALLY WE'VE GOTTA COMPLY WITH THE, UH, CITY'S CURRENT, UM, TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENT. UM, AGAIN, AS CHRISTIE POINTED OUT, IT'S 16 AND A HALF ACRES. THE PORTION ACTUALLY BEING DEVELOPED IS SIX AND A HALF ACRES. SO WE HAVE OVER 10 ACRES, UH, ESSENTIALLY REMAINING UNDEVELOPED. THAT INCLUDES THE EXISTING POND THAT IS IN THAT LOCATION, UM, AS WELL AS ANOTHER, UM, LOCATION FOR THAT ALTERNATE POND LOCATION. UH, AGAIN, THAT'S BASED ON INFORMATION FROM THE CITY ENGINEERING STAFF, WHICH APPARENTLY IS INCOMPLETE ON THE EXISTING POND AND THE CAPACITY AND THE FACT THAT THE OUTLET STRUCTURE ON THE EXISTING POND IS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO MEET OUR DETENTION REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE ONE OF TWO OPTIONS. EITHER OBTAIN AN EASEMENT FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE WEST, UH, TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS ACROSS THE DAM, THE EXISTING DAM, OR PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETENTION ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH WILL NOT REMOVE ANY TREES. IT'S IN A FAIRWAY IN A GREEN. SO THAT ALTERNATE LOCATION WOULD ALLOW US TO DETAIN WATER COMING FROM THE SOUTH INTO THE EXISTING POND AND PROVIDE THAT DETENTION STORAGE IN THAT LOCATION. OKAY. SO BASICALLY THAT'S, THAT WOULD CAPTURE WATER COMING IN FROM THE SOUTH? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU. ITEM [B. Case No. PR24-00025; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval for a Final Plat for Take 5 Oil Change at 1800 East 2nd Street, East of Bryant Ave. (Altar Group; Ward 1) Said Consideration to Include Consideration of Approval of the Following Variances to Title 22, Zoning Ordinance, of the Edmond Municipal Code: A Variance to Title 21.02.030(A) Requiring Ninety Feet of Dedicated Right-of-Way and Instead Dedicating Seventy Feet of Right-of-Way and an Associated Twenty Foot Utility Easement.] B, CASE NUMBER PR 24 DASH 0 0 0 2 5. PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL FOR A FINAL PLAT FOR TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE AT 1800 EAST SECOND STREET, EAST OF BRYANT AVENUE. ALTER GROUP IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WE ALSO HAVE A VARIANCE ON THIS ONE. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD, CORRECT? YES. CHRISTIE MCCONE, UH, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A FINAL PLAT FOR TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE LOCATED JUST EAST OF BRYANT SQUARE, SHOPPING CENTER SOUTH OF, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SECOND STREET. THE PLA CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 1.2 ACRES OF LAND AND WILL BE DIVIDED INTO TWO LOTS. TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE FACILITY ON THE EAST. LOT TO BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND ON THE WEST LOT WILL REMAIN VACANT. AT THIS TIME, A VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION FROM THE STANDARD 90 FEET TO 70 FEET, PLUS A 20 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED DEDICATION WILL ALLOW FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS ON SECOND STREET AND HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE VARIANCE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE AND THE FINAL PLAT BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ZERO ON THEIR APRIL 7TH, UH, 2026 MEETING. THIS ITEM WILL REQUIRE TWO VOTES, ONE ON THE VARIANCE, AND ONE ON THE FINAL PLAT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? ANYONE ON THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? ALRIGHT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? PEOPLE? UH, MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE B. WE NEED TO HANDLE THE VARIANCE FIRST. MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE BA ON THE VARIANCE. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO APPROVE VARIANCE. ITEM FIVE B ONE, CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE B. [00:15:01] SECOND. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. ITEM [C. Case No. Z26-00007; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of Ordinance No. 4082 Rezoning a Property at 11212 E Danforth Road from “G-A” General Agricultural to “R-1” Rural Estate District. (Watson, Ward 2)] FIVE C. CASE NUMBER Z TWO SIX DASH 0 0 0 0 7 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4 0 8 2. REZONING OF PROPERTY AT 1 1 12 1 2 EAST DANFORTH ROAD FROM GA. GENERAL AGRICULTURE TO R ONE RURAL ESTATE DISTRICT. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. CHRISTIE MCCONE, PRINCIPAL CLEANER. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO R ONE RURAL ESTATE DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DANFORTH AND WESTMINSTER ROAD. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 4.3 ACRES ZONING TO THE SOUTHWEST AND NORTH IS CURRENTLY GA, GENERAL AGRICULTURE AND ALL DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO THE EAST IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE EDMOND CITY LIMITS, BUT APPEARS CONT IT APPEARS TO CONTAIN AN OIL OR GAS ACTIVITY. THE APPLICATION IS FOR A BUYRIGHT ZONING, WHICH ALLOWS RESIDE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON LARGE LOTS WITH LARGE SETBACKS. THE EDMOND PLAN CATEGORIZES THIS AREA AS RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE REQUESTED DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE PLANNING COMMISSION. RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF THREE ZERO AT THEIR APRIL 7TH, 2026 MEETING. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? NO. WOULD ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? SEEING NONE. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? MOVE TO APPROVE MR. MAYOR. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. [D. Case No. Z25-00014; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of Ordinance No. 4083 Rezoning Certain Property Generally Located on South Bryant, East of Smiling Hill from "PUD Z23-00007" Bryant Avenue and Smiling Hill Boulevard to "PUD Z25-00014" The Stables at Hallmark and Providing an Effective Date. (Sun Properties, LLC; Ward 3) ] ITEM FIVE D IS CASE NUMBER Z TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 1 4. PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4 0 8 3 REZONING CERTAIN PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED ON SOUTH BRYANT EAST OF SMILING HILLS FROM PUDZ TWO THREE DASH 0 0 0 0 7. BRYANT AVENUE IS HILL BOULEVARD TO PUDZ TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 1 4, THE STABLES AT HALLMARK AND PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS HAS BEEN ASKED BY THE DEVELOPER TO CONTINUE IT UNTIL MAY 11TH, SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE. SO MOVED. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. ITEM [E. Case No. Z25-00029; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of Ordinance No. 4084 Rezoning Certain Property Generally Located on the Northwest Corner of Covell and Bryant from "A" Single-Family to "PUD Z25-00029" Hutchison Development and Providing an Effective Date. (Hutchison Construction; Ward 1)] FIVE E CASE NUMBER Z TWO FIVE DASH NINE PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4 0 84 REZONING CERTAIN PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COVE AND BRYANT FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO PUDZ TWO FIVE DASH 29 HUTCHINSON DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, YOUR HONOR. HI, UH, CHRISTIE MCCONE, PRINCIPAL PLANNER. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COVE AND BRYANT TO PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. A PA PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS OFTEN REQUIRED BY EDMOND'S CURRENT CODE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS TYPE OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES NEARBY. ZONING AND USES INCLUDE TO THE WEST AND ZONE WEST AND NORTH IS ZONED AND DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST IS ZONED FOR AGRICULTURE, IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH, IS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL AND IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. THE PUD DESIGN STATEMENT ALLOWS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF TOWN, HOMES AND OR DUPLEXES WITH A MAXIMUM OF 16 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ALLOWED IN THREE DUPLEX BUILDINGS AND TWO FIVEPLEX BUILDINGS. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WOULD BE TWO STORIES OR 35 FEET. AN ACCESS WILL BE FROM COVE ROAD. THE PUD INCLUDES AN ACCESS SEPARATION SEPARATION THAT IS LESS THAN THE STANDARD, BUT IT WILL BE RESTRICTED TO A RIDE IN, RIDE OUT AND A PRIVATE STREET THAT INCLUDES A 30 FOOT PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY WITH A 15 FOOT STREET AND UTILITY EASEMENT ON EACH SIDE OF THE STREET. THIS APPROACH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE CODIFIED STANDARD. LANDSCAPING PROVISIONS INCLUDE TREES AND SHRUBS FOR EACH DWELLING AND SCREENING OF THE SOLID WASTE ENCLOSURE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY. THE EDMOND PLAN CATEGORIZES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS SUBURBAN INFILL. THIS CATEGORY SUPPORTS A WIDE VARIETY OF HOUSING, INCLUDING THOSE PROPOSED IN THIS PUD. THIS PLAN CATEGORY WAS RECENTLY APPLIED TO THIS LOCATION AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT ENVISIONED A PROJECT SIMILAR TO THE PROPOSED PUD AND THE PUD CONFORMS TO THIS CATEGORY AT THE APRIL 7TH, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION. A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FAILED BY A VOTE OF TWO IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? I DO. MR. MAYOR, UH, AND, AND MAYBE MR. MASSEY CAN ANSWER THIS, BUT [00:20:01] I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE UTILITIES AND VARIOUS THINGS. SO I KNOW THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S THE APPROPRIATE ONE TO ASK. WHY DON'T WE SEE IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO START WITH? HOW'S THAT SOUND? I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF. YEAH. BEFORE WE GET THERE, TWO QUESTIONS. CHRISTIE. ONE WAS, UM, DID YOU SAY FAILED BY A VOTE OF TWO IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED? THAT'S YEAH, THERE'S THREE. ALRIGHT. AND THEN, UM, WHY DO WE NEED A PUD ON THIS VERSUS A STRAIGHT ZONING? UH, FOR THE SUBURBAN IN FILL? UH, OUR CURRENT CODE JUST REALLY DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THE SMALLER, UH, AREAS TO KIND OF INFILL WITH THE, WITH THE MIDDLE MIXED MIDDLE HOUSING, KIND OF. HMM. OKAY. THANKS CHRISTIE. THE, UH, ONE LAST ONE, THE 12 AND A HALF FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK MM-HMM . THAT FITS WITHIN THIS AND WAS RIGHT. PLANNING WITH THE PD. YOU CAN STATE THAT AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY BEEN UNHEARD OF. MR. MASSEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? YES. UM, GREG MASSEY, UM, REPRESENT KELLEN GROUP REPRESENTING THE, UH, DEVELOPER HERE. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO START BY, UM, BRINGING REMEMBRANCE THAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PLAN AMENDMENT BEFORE WE GOT TO THIS POINT AND THE PLAN AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE HERE. UM, THAT BEING SAID, THE DOCUMENTS BEFORE YOU ARE THE SAME DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THE PLAN AMENDMENT. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, NO SUBSTANTIAL MODIFICATIONS. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR A REZONING, NOT FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL. UM, I DO KNOW MR. MOORE WHEN WE WERE HERE PREVIOUSLY, UM, WAS PRETTY ADAMANT THAT THERE ARE, THAT WE MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEFORE BRINGING THIS BACK, BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. UM, THE DEVELOPER, MR. HUTCHINSON IS HERE. UM, HE CAN TESTIFY AS TO THE TIMES AND DATES WHEN THOSE MEETINGS TOOK PLACE. UM, BOTH, UM, WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO THE SOUTH AND WEST AS WELL AS THOSE HOMEOWNERS, UM, TO THE NORTHWEST AND EAST THAT, UH, ABUT THIS PROPERTY DIRECTLY. AND I BELIEVE THAT MEETING TOOK PLACE LAST WEEK. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT BEING SAID, THAT GETS US BACK TODAY AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS, UM, FROM PARTICULARLY THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH AS FAR AS WINDOWS OVERLOOKING HER PROPERTY. UM, MR. HUTCHINSON HAS AGREED THAT HE CAN RESTRICT WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE ON THE SECOND STORY SO THAT THAT NEIGHBOR DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOMEONE LOOKING IN, UH, HER BACKYARD. UM, YES. OH, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. UM, ANYWAY, SO HE, FOLLOWING THOSE MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH WAS FROM THOSE SECOND STORY WINDOWS ON THE DUPLEX UNITS ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE INTO HER BACKYARD. HE HAS AGREED HE CAN ELIMINATE THE WINDOWS LOOKING INTO HER BACKYARD, SO THAT DOESN'T BECOME A PROBLEM. UM, THAT BEING SAID, HER TWO STORY HOUSE COULD STILL LOOK INTO HIS BACKYARD, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO ARGUE THAT. AS FAR AS, UM, EXTENSION OF THE UTILITIES, AGAIN, IT, WE'VE GOT TO EXTEND SANITARY SEWER FROM THE EAST, APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILE TO SERVE THIS LOCATION. ONCE THAT'S DONE, THIS WILL ALLOW THE REST OF THIS, UH, CORNER QUARTER SECTION, UM, TO BE DEVELOPED THAT WILL PROVIDE NEEDED CITY INFRASTRUCTURE TO THIS INTERSECTION THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY THERE. UM, WATERLINE UTILITIES WILL ALSO BE EXTENDED THROUGH THIS CORNER. UM, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TWO ACRE TRACK. UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOCATION THAT ALTHOUGH IT IS [00:25:01] CURRENTLY SURROUNDED BY LARGER ACREAGES BASED ON THE CURRENT CITY PLAN, IT'S APPROVED FOR MORE DIVERSE HOUSING IN THE AREA. UM, BURNHAM WOODS IS A SUBDIVISION THAT I WAS INVOLVED WITH. UM, THAT WAS NOT AN EASY BATTLE GETTING THAT APPROVED. UM, I KNOW THE RESIDENTS IN BURNHAM WOODS, THEIR MAJOR CONCERN WAS ACCESS AND TRAFFIC AT THIS LOCATION. ANYONE THAT'S TRAVELED THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION AT COVE AND BRYANT KNOWS IT'S PARTICULARLY IN THE MORNING AND EVENING, IT'S NOT AN EASY INTERSECTION TO GET THROUGH. AGAIN, THERE'S CURRENTLY ONE DRIVEWAY AT THAT LOCATION. IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED, THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE DRIVEWAY ALLOWED AT THAT LOCATION. UM, WE'VE PROVIDED THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS SO THAT THAT CAN ULTIMATELY BE DEVELOPED AS THE CITY HAS PLANNED WITH A CENTER MEDIAN THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION THAT WILL REGULATE WRITE IN AND WRITE OUT FOR THIS SUBDIVISION. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. EXCUSE ME. UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ACCESS AT THIS LOCATION. IT WILL BE HANDLED. UM, CITY STAFF WORKED WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IN THE PUD TO ENSURE THAT THIS WILL BE, UH, A DIRECTIONALLY CONTROLLED INTERSECTION AND DRIVEWAY. UM, I I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. TALK MORE ABOUT THE UTILITIES. WELL, A A AGAIN, THE CLOSEST, UM, SEWER LOCATION IS A QUARTER MILE TO THE EAST OF THIS INTERSECTION. UM, BECAUSE WE'RE WITHIN, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE WE'RE WITHIN THE CITY'S, UM, DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT ON THE DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, SEPARATION DISTANCE, UM, WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO EXTEND A QUARTER MILE EAST, UM, TO OUR WEST PROPERTY LINE. UM, THAT SANITARY SEWER CAN THEN BE EXTENDED TO THE NORTH TO SERVE THE CURRENT, UM, ACREAGE DEVELOPMENTS THERE TO ALLOW THEM HIGHER DENSITIES AND ALLOW THE CITY FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, I BELIEVE BASED ON THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY STILL HAVE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER ADJACENT TO THIS, UH, SET ASIDE FOR COMMERCIAL. UM, I I DO YOU, I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO CITY'S STAFF ON THAT. UM, I KNOW BEFORE WE CAME BEFORE, UH, THIS BOARD ON THE PLAN AMENDMENT, THIS TWO ACRE TRACK WAS SET ASIDE AS COMMERCIAL. AND BY THE TIME THE RIGHT OF WAY IS TAKEN, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO TRY AND DO, UH, A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS CORNER SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM, UH, UNLESS YOU WANT ANOTHER COFFEE SHOP. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S LEFT THERE. UM, THE WATER FROM BURNHAM WOODS WILL BE EXTENDED, UM, NORTH ACROSS COVE AND THEN EAST TO THE INTERSECTION. SO IT CAN ALSO BE EXTENDED AND LOOPED INTO THE CITY'S CURRENT, UH, WATER SYSTEM. UM, SO AGAIN, MR. HUTCHINSON'S LOOKING AT A FAIRLY LARGE EXPENSE IN BRINGING, UH, A QUARTER MILE OF SANITARY SEWER TO THIS INTERSECTION THAT DOES NOT EXIST RIGHT NOW. UM, EXTENDING WATERLINE, UH, 12 INCH WATERLINE THROUGH, UH, THIS INTERSECTION THAT CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS. UM, NOT QUITE A QUARTER MILE, UH, SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET BACK TO THE, THE WEST OF THIS INTERSECTION. UM, HE'S OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR A WHILE. UM, HIS SON HAS LIVED ON THIS PROPERTY. HE LIVES IN EDMOND, JUST A FEW BLOCKS DOWN THE ROAD TO THE WEST. IT'S, HE'S, HE'S NOT A ONE-TIME I'M GONNA COME IN AND [00:30:01] MAKE A FORTUNE OFF OF THESE UNITS. HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES, UM, SOME ALTERNATIVE HOUSING IN EDMOND IN A LOCATION WHERE NONE EXISTS ON THE LANDSCAPING. YES, SIR. TWO TREES PER DWELLING. WHAT CALIBER TREES ARE THOSE? UM, WHATEVER THE CITY URBAN FORESTRY WOULD LIKE. I, WE CAN DO TWO INCH, WE CAN DO FOUR INCH. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REDWOODS, DO YOU? NO, I'M REDWOOD . WE, WE CAN DO 35 INCH . NO. UM, A AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS CONSIDERED A MULTI-FAMILY, THERE ARE SPECIFIC, UM, REQUIREMENTS IN THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE TO MEET THEIR, UH, THEIR, THEIR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AND THOSE WILL BE MET, UM, AT LEAST WITH RESPECT TO THE NUMBER OF TREES, UM, AND THE PLACEMENT OF TREES. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET BY WITH ANYTHING. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I JUST ASKED A QUESTION. WHAT SIZE TREES YOU'RE PUTTING IN? MINIMUM TWO INCH PER CITY CODE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. UM, I MAY, AFTER WE HEAR FROM CITIZENS THOUGH. SO WOULD ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? PLEASE COME FORWARD. WHEN YOU GET TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. HI, MY NAME IS, PLEASE STEP OVER IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE FOR US. SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. MY NAME IS KIMBERLY BENNY GRAY. I'VE LIVED AT 1400 BOND STREET FOR 16 YEARS AND ON THE STREET FOR 49 YEARS. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS. AT THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT WAS HELD ON AUGUST 11TH, MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN MOORE, YOU BOTH REQUESTED THAT MR. HUTCHINSON AND MR. MASSEY EXHAUST ALL EFFORTS IN CONNECTING WITH NEIGHBORS TO DISCUSS THEIR PLANS AND TO HEAR OUR CONCERNS AND THOUGHTS. HOWEVER, WE NEVER HEARD FROM EITHER FOLLOWING THAT MEETING ON APRIL 7TH THAT THE CITY PLANNING MEETING. MA'AM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT LAST SENTENCE TALKING THAT MICROPHONE. I FORGOT MY HEARING AID, SO THAT'S OKAY. JUST YELL IF YOU HAVE TO. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY. AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WAS HELD ON AUGUST 11TH, MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN MOORE, YOU BOTH HAD REQUESTED MR. HUTCHINSON AND MR. MASSEY EXHAUST ALL EFFORTS AND CONNECTING WITH NEIGHBORS TO DISCUSS THEIR PLANS AND TO HEAR OUR CONCERNS AND THOUGHTS. HOWEVER, WE NEVER HEARD FROM EITHER. FOLLOWING THAT MEETING ON APRIL 7TH AT THE CITY PLANNING MEETING, MR. HUTCHINSON STATED THAT HE HAD CONNECTED WITH NEIGHBORS AND FULFILLED THIS REQUEST, WHICH WAS AN UNTRUE STATEMENT. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, I DID OBTAIN MR. HUTCHINSON'S CONTACT INFORMATION AND I ORGANIZED A MEETING FOR MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS TO MEET WITH HIM LAST WEDNESDAY. EVEN THOUGH OUR VIEWS DON'T ALIGN, THE MEETING WAS INFORM INFORMATIVE, AND NOW IT'S CLEAR THERE'S NO COMPROMISE TO THE CURRENT PROPOSED PLAN. THIS REQUEST, THIS REQUESTED CHANGE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OR CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, WHICH PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND LOW DENSITY. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH APPEARS TO BE LIKE ROW HOUSING AS NOT ONLY HIGH DENSITY, BUT COULD ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE TRAFFIC STRAIN ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, WHICH COULD NOT CURRENTLY DESIGN FOR THIS SHIFT. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH ARE IMPORTANT, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO EITHER OF THOSE, THEY SHOULD OCCUR IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS EXISTING ZONING FRAMEWORK, INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY, AND ESPECIALLY JUST RESPECTING OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MR. HUTCHINSON COME BACK WITH A PLAN BETTER SUITED FOR THE AREA, LOW TO MEDIAN DENSITY, PROPOSE ADEQUATE TREES, GREEN SPACE, AND OR FENCING FOR THE SIDELINE TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IN RESPECT FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS WHO SHARE THAT FENCE LINE. THE SHIFT TO A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT INTRODUCES UNCERTAINTY [00:35:01] REGARDING FUTURE LAND USE, INTENSITY AND DENSITY, WHICH RAISES CONCERNS ABOUT LONG-TERM IMPACTS ON OUR COMMUNITY. REZONING UNDERMINES THE STABILITY AND CHARACTER THAT MY NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE RELIED ON WHEN WE CHOSE WHERE WE LIVE. IN CLOSING, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO DENY THE REQUEST AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY. I AM MARY UPS WELCH. I LIVE AT 1220 LYNN ROSE LANE HERE IN EDMOND HERE TONIGHT TO ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER THE PROPOSED ZONING FOR THAT CONDO DUPLEXES AT COVELL AND BRYANT. THIS ISN'T ABOUT OPPOSING GROWTH ALTOGETHER. WE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR CITY WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, BUT GROW SHOULD BE THOUGHTFUL, BALANCED, AND ALIGNED WITH THE CHARACTER AND CAPACITY OF OUR COMMUNITY. THERE ARE REAL CONCERNS THAT NEED TO BE FULLY ADDRESSED. INCREASED TRAFFIC ON ALREADY STRAINED ROADS IN THIS INTERSECTION, THE IMPACT ON NEARBY PROPERTY VALUES AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. THESE ALL DESERVE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION. ONCE THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED AND BUILT. THOSE IMPACTS ARE PERMANENT. MANY OF US CHOSE TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE THE SPACE, THE PEACE AND QUIET AND THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY, A CONDO DUPLEX COMPLEX, THAT RISK CHANGING THAT IN WAYS THAT CAN'T EASILY BE UNDONE. PLEASE REPRESENT THE VOICES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY CALL THIS AREA HOME, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NORTH OF THIS, I LIVED THERE FOR 23 YEARS AND WE'RE ADJACENT TO THAT LOT. THOUGHTFUL PLANNING TODAY WILL PROTECT THE QUALITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS DISCUSSION BRINGS UP THE QUESTION, WHY ISN'T MR. HUTCHINSON ASKING TO BUILD THE CONDO COMPLEX ON THE ACREAGE HE OWNS NEXT TO HIS HOME? WELL, I CAN PROBABLY TELL YOU NO ONE WANTS THAT BUILT NEXT TO THEIR HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOME LIKE US. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. . RITA MILLER. I LIVE, UM, OVER BY LAKE ARCADIA, SO I'M NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION. HOWEVER, I DO TRAVEL COVELL AT LEAST THREE TIMES A WEEK. UM, AND I, I'M NOT A, I AM ACTUALLY IN VERY IN FAVOR OF, UM, INFILL. I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF IT. AND, AND SO THERE'S A PART OF THIS PROPOSAL THAT I REALLY LIKE. HOWEVER, UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONG-TERM PLAN. THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER HOUSES, SEVERAL OTHER BASICALLY SIMILAR LOTS IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY, AND THAT I HAVE TO IMAGINE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THEY ARE ALSO GONNA BE DEVELOPED. AND MY BIG CONCERN IS THE SINGLE ENTRANCE ON COVELL. UM, IF I'M READING THE CONTOURS CORRECT, THE CONT DRAWINGS COLLECT CORRECTLY. IT'S ABOUT A SEVEN FOOT CLIMB TO PUT, UM, TO CONNECT A STREET ONTO BRYANT AVENUE THAT IS NOT INSURMOUNTABLE FOR A SMALL BULLDOZER. UM, THE OTHER SIDE, THE WHERE THEY'RE SUGGESTING, UM, JUST GUEST PARKING, I'M KIND OF NEW AT THIS, BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE A ABOUT, UM, TO, FOR, AGAIN, FOR THE PLANNING LONG TERM. YOU GUYS KNOW A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE THIS BIGGER PICTURE CORNER TO BECOME AT SOME POINT. BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES THAT I WOULD BE, UM, THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? HELLO EVERYONE. I WOULD THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HEAR COMMENTS FROM THE CITIZENS ON THIS, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HERE. AND WE ALL, AS A COMMUNITY RECOGNIZE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH OF OUR COMMUNITY WILL HAPPEN AS EVIDENCED BY THE NUMEROUS PLANNING DOCUMENTS, MEETINGS, SURVEYS THAT SHAPE THIS COMMUNITY IN A STRUCTURED AND WELL MANNERED MANNER. INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY IS CRITICAL IN SHAPING THIS FUTURE. AS A PART OF THIS, THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE COBELL PARKWAY, WHICH IS A PART OF THE VISION FOR THIS COMMUNITY, [00:40:01] THAT NORTH CORRIDOR IS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF THIS CITY, ALSO REQUIRES THAT IT BE DONE, IT MUST OCCUR WITH A CONTINUOUS EMPHASIS ON SAFETY AT INTERSECTIONS NOT YET FULLY WIDENED TO ACCOMMODATE THE CURRENT TRAFFIC. IT'S DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE THE CURRENT TRAFFIC NOW NOT INCLUDING THE PROJECTED GROWTH GROWTH THAT'S TO OCCUR. TO LOOK AT THIS IN THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT, THE AMENDMENT WAS MADE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE CITY THAT TAGGED THAT CORNER AS A, UH, SUBURBAN INFILL, NOW SUBURBAN INFILL. THE DESCRIPTION AND CONTEXT, IT TALKS ABOUT SPECIAL CARE SHOULD BE TAKEN TO ENSURE THAT THESE AREAS DEVELOPED ARE COMPATIBLE AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEARBY DEVELOPED AREAS. WELL, THERE ARE NO SIMILAR COMPARABLE DEVELOPED AREAS IN THIS RURAL SINGLE FAMILY AREA. THE BUILDING TYPES SPECIAL CARE SHOULD BE TAKEN TO ALLOW A GRADUAL AND GRACEFUL INCREASE IN INTENSITY, WHERE APPROPRIATE SOME CONSIDERATION TO INCLUDE THE EXISTING PLANNED INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. AND THAT THE, UH, AREAS SHOULD MAKE EVERY ATTEMPT TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING STREET GI GRID USE BEST PRACTICES FOR ACCESS MANAGEMENT. CAREFUL READING OF THE PROPOSED PLAN INDICATES THAT A WAIVER OR VARIANCE WOULD BE NEEDED, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS TO, UH, FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE, UH, PROXIMITY OF THE DRIVE TO THE INTERSECTION AT THAT LOCATION. ONCE AGAIN, THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND THE IMPROVEMENT OF THIS INTERSECTION HAS NOT BEEN DONE, BUT I WOULD URGE THE CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS COBELL PARKWAY GONNA LOOK LIKE? THAT WE WOULD NOT DRIVE A FLAG IN THE GROUND ON THIS VITAL CORNER IN AN AREA WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN MADE AND WHAT THAT INTERSECTION WILL LOOK LIKE. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THERE IS GONNA BE, UH, SHOULD ALL BE FACTORED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COBELL PARKWAY THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE, THE, UH, THE DEVELOPED VISION. WE ALL AGREE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, BUT LET'S NOT PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE IN THIS INSTANCE. LET'S SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT WE CAN LEAD BY THOUGHTFULLY DEVELOPING AREAS THAT WE WANNA HAVE IMPROVED WITH THE VISION OF THIS COMMUNITY. THAT WOULD MEAN LET'S GET THE PLANS FOR THE COBELL PARKWAY IN PLACE AND LET'S APPROVE VARIANCES, ZONING CHANGES ALONG THAT, THAT PATHWAY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION THAT'S LAID OUT. AND THAT WOULD MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S THERE. WE'RE NOT DRIVING A POSTAGE SIZE STAMP OF A, IF SOMEONE ASKS THE QUESTION, WELL, WHY IS THIS A PUD, YOU KNOW, A, A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WHEN YOU READ WHAT THAT IS, IT'S REALLY A DISTRICT. THIS IS NOT A DISTRICT. THIS IS, COULD VARY EASILY BY THE TIME YOU DO THE OFFSETS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. NOT INCLUDING THE VARIANCE THAT'LL BE REQUIRED FOR THE DRIVEWAY'S PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION ITSELF. IT COULD HAVE VERY EASILY BEEN FLAGGED AS A HIGH DENSITY CORNER. A A I THINK IT'S A C ONE OR A C TWO, BUT IT WASN'T DESCRIBED THAT WAY. IT WAS JUST FLAGGED AS BEING TOWN HOMES OR DUPLEXES IN THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE THE PLAN READ, UH, READING OF THE PLAN SAYS THAT WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, TRASH PICKUP? THERE'S NOWHERE FOR A A FOR A, YOU KNOW, THEY GO IN WITH AND LOAD THE DUMPSTER OUT IN THERE. IT'S GOT FOUR PARKING SPACES, IT'S GOT A DRIVEWAY. WE WERE TOLD BY THE DEVELOPER THAT [00:45:01] THERE'S NOT GONNA BE GARAGES IN THE UNITS THAT THEY PLAN ON CARPORTS. SO THAT GETS AT ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT. OKAY? SO MY QUESTION WAS, WELL, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ONE BEDROOM IN EACH UNIT? BECAUSE IN A HIGH DENSITY AREA, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR NUMBERS OF PARKING SPACES RELATED TO THE BEDROOMS. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO NO PARKING AVAILABILITY FOR GUESTS THAT MAY BE COMING TO VISIT SOMEONE. WHERE DO THEY PARK IN THAT AREA? WHERE'S THE TRASH PICKUP LOCATED IN THERE? I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DO KNOW ONE THING. THE, THE PLAN HAS BEEN AMENDED. SUBURBAN INFIELDS THERE, WE ALL CAME AND SPOKE AGAINST THAT. BUT IN RECOGNITION OF THAT'S A PLANNING DOCUMENT CHANGE. WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE CHANGES IN THAT. BUT LET'S STEP BACK AND PLAN THIS. RIGHT? LET'S, LET'S SHOW THE COMMUNITY. WE CAN GO FROM A TO Z AND PUT EVERYTHING IN PLACE TO SHOW THAT WE DO HAVE A STRUCTURED DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT CONSTRUCTION TO BEGIN ON THAT CORNER. HE SAID, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL BEGIN. WE SHOULD BE TURNING DIRT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND I'M LIKE, WOW. YOU KNOW, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THAT CORNER WILL BE LIKE WITH TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT AND CEMENT AND MOVING DIRT AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND ALL THE WORKERS ON THAT SMALL SITE? OKAY, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DO KNOW, IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FOR THE DEVELOPER, HE'S EXTENDING UTILITIES A QUARTER OF A MILE. THAT'S SUNK COST TO GET TO GROUND ZERO. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, A MARGIN OF INCOME THAT COMES IN THAT SETS OFF THAT SUNK COST. SO THE MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT HE CAN GET TO PUT ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS GONNA HAVE TO TAKE PLACE IN ORDER FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO RECOUP HIS INVESTMENT IN THAT. WE'RE NOT FIGHTING THE, THE CHANGES THAT ARE FIXING TO COME. WE ALL REALIZE IT'S GROWING. LET'S PLAN FOR IT. LET'S DO SOME THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. I'VE LIVED, I'M AT, MY NAME'S JOHN HOT, 2,800 MILES DRIVE. WE MOVED OUT HERE IN 1968. THE, WE MOVED WE, MY CAREER, WE CAME BACK IN ABOUT 2000. BUT WHEN WE BUILT OUR HOME, COVEL WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DONE BY 2008. YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYONE CAN SAY, YEAH, IT'S BEEN IN THE PLANNING GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME, BUT LET'S JUST STEP BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE NOT READY FOR THIS YET. AND WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT AT THAT INTERSECTION AT THIS TIME. WE JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH. IT DOESN'T FIT IN THE ENVIRONMENT. IT'S NOT, DOESN'T FIT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW. SO I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS TO, UH, LOOK AT IT IN LIGHT OF THE TOTAL PLAN, THE BIG PICTURE, AND TO, UH, SHOW THOUGHTFUL CONCERN IN THE WAY EDMOND DEVELOPS THAT, THAT COBELL PARKWAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY NAME'S CHARLES MICHAEL. I LIVE AT 1401 EAST COVE, WHICH IS JUST ABOUT TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM WHERE THAT IS ON THE CORNER. I'M REALLY HERE IN SUPPORT OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CLOSER TO IT THAN I AM. AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE RULES ABOUT THE EXHAUSTING EVERY EFFORT TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT THIS MIGHT IMPACT, BUT I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED OF ANY KIND OF MEETING EITHER. UH, I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE PLANNING, UH, COMMISSIONS, UH, MEETING THAT WAS POSTED ON THE BOARD. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW I FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS GONNA BE HAPPENING WAS THE PLACARD OUT IN THE FRONT YARD, YOU KNOW, TO UH, SAY THAT THEY WERE WANTING TO PUT UP DUPLEXES. SO, LIKE I SAID, MAINLY I'M HERE FOR JUST TO VERIFY THAT THE, THE MEETING OR THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS ASKED FOR DIDN'T NECESSARILY TAKE PLACE THE WAY THAT YOU THOUGHT THEY MIGHT AND SUPPORT OF MY NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WOULD [00:50:01] ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HEARING US. I'M GK POWERS. I AM, UH, I HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED THIS EVENING AS THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH. AND FOR THE RECORD, SINCE MY HOME WAS MENTIONED AS A TWO STORY HOME WHERE I'LL BE LOOKING INTO HIS YARD, UH, I CONTRADICT THAT IF HE HAS LOOKED AT MY HOUSE, HE WILL SEE IT ON THE SOUTH END AND HE'S SOUTH OF ME. THERE ARE TWO VERY SMALL WINDOWS AT THE ROOF LINE THERE ABOVE EYESIGHT IN THE HOUSE. ONE IS IN A CLOSET AND ONE IS ABOVE THE TILE IN A SHOWER. SO WE WILL NOT BE LOOKING OUT IN HIS PROPERTY. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I HAVE AGAIN WRITTEN MY COMMENTS SO I CAN DO IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE EXCUSE THE READING. SINCE THIS ALL CAME UP. I'VE WONDERED WHY INFILL IS SO ESSENTIAL FOR THIS PROJECT. SO I COMPARED IT WITH THE OBJECTIVES OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT. IT WILL MEET THE DENSITY OBJECTIVE, BUT CANNOT MEET MOST OF THE OTHERS. IN PARTICULAR, IT WILL NOT PRODUCE ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION. IT WILL NOT PROVIDE HOMES CLOSER TO CITY CENTERS, PUBLIC TRANSIT, EMPLOYMENT, OR EXISTING AMENITIES, WHICH IS OFTEN A BIG GOAL OR OBJECTIVE OF INFILL. THIS PROJECT CANNOT RELY ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH CONSISTS SOLELY OF STREETS THAT ARE ALREADY OVERCROWDED. IT CANNOT PRODUCE WALKABILITY BECAUSE OF HEAVY TRAFFIC AND THE ABSENCE OF SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS. IT WILL NOT MAKE THE AREA SAFER. EVERY NEW RESIDENT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD HAS THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LESS SAFE. IT WILL NOT REDUCE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. RESIDENTS OF THE PROJECT WILL OFTEN DRIVE EXTRA DISTANCE TO REACH THEIR HOMES. THIS PROJECT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT BY PLACING, BY REPLACING GREEN SPACE WITH ALMOST COMPLETE HARDSCAPING, POSTAGE STAMP YARDS WILL REPLACE AREAS OF GREEN SPACE AND THE CHANGE IN WATER FLOW AND RUNOFF HAVE HARDLY BEEN MENTIONED. I WONDER HOW ALMOST SOLID PAVING OF TWO ACRES WILL IMPACT THE CREEK SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION. IF 16 FAMILIES LIVE THERE, THEN AT LEAST 25, PROBABLY 32, THAT'S THE AVERAGE IN EDMOND. AT LEAST 25 VEHICLES WILL BE ADDED TO THE INTERSECTION. THAT'S COVELL AND BRYANT, WHERE HUNDREDS OF VEHICLES SIT AT IDLE A LONG TIME EACH DAY. I'VE HEARD SOME OF YOU STATE THAT THIS PROJECT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE WHO EITHER DO NOT WANT TO LIVE ON AN ACREAGE OR CANNOT AFFORD TO DO SO, TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE OURS. IN ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT IS ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE. THIS PROJECT WILL CHANGE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOREVER SO THAT RESIDENTS OF THE PROJECT WILL NOT LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NOR SHALL WE. NO ONE WILL EVER LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN. IT WILL NO LONGER EXIST. CLEARLY, SUCCESS OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT A SURE THING. DENSITY ALONE DOES NOT MAKE A SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN URBAN ESSENTIALS ARE MISSING. THIS PROJECT, PARDON ME, WILL LEAD TO MORE TRAFFIC IN ENVIRONMENTAL HARM AND POSSIBLE FLOOD RISK. IT CAN WORSEN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT AS IT'S CALLED, AND INCREASE VEHICULAR EMISSIONS, REDUCING LIVABILITY. RESIDENTS WHO WIND UP IN THAT PROJECT WILL FACE OVERCROWDING LIMITED GREEN SPACE, INSUFFICIENT PARKING, INCREASED NOISE, HIGHER EMISSIONS, DIFFICULT ACCESS, REDUCED NATURAL LIGHT AND LOSS OF PRIVACY. THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT VIRTUALLY ENSURES [00:55:01] POOR QUALITY OF LIFE FOR BOTH NEW AND EXISTING RESIDENTS, UNDERMINING THE VERY PRINCIPLES THAT MAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD DESIRABLE AND SUSTAINABLE. THIS PROJECT IS NOT JUST UNSUITABLE. IT DAMAGES OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND OFFERS A POOR QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ITS OWN RESIDENTS. AS BAD AS IT WILL BE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S FAILURE WILL BE EVEN WORSE. WE DO NOT WANT A WHITE ELEPHANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO REJECT THIS REQUEST. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NOT SUITABLE FOR THE PRO PROPOSED PROJECT. SURELY, AS MR. HAWK HAS SUGGESTED, WE CAN COME TOGETHER WITH A PROJECT THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO ALL CONCERNED AND THAT HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF SUCCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS VICTOR PEREZ. I LIVE, UM, AT 2,800 NORTH BRYANT. IT'S THE 10 ACRE PROPERTY, UM, TO THE EAST OF THIS SITE. UM, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE EARLIER. UM, WE DID HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE HE TRIED TO REPRESENT HIS AGENT, NOT HE, NOT THE DEVELOPER HIMSELF, BUT HIS AGENT TRIED TO IDENTIFY THAT HE HAD REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE MADE AN ISSUE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. UM, HAVE SOME OTHER NOTES. I APOLOGIZE. I'M NOT A GREAT PUBLIC SPEAKER HERE. BUT WHEN WE DID MEET WITH MR, BUT WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT, UM, HE IDENTIFIED THAT HE REALLY ORIGINALLY WANTED TO PUT IN SOMETHING MORE COMMERCIAL AND THE CITY GUIDED HIM TOWARDS THIS BY THE APPLICATION PROCESS TOWARDS THIS TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT. I SAID, WELL, I ASKED HIM QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY DO YOU NEED 16 UNITS? AND HE SAID HE NEEDED THAT MANY TO MAKE IT PROFITABLE. AND I DO NOT THINK IT'S THE COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THIS SITE PROFITABLE FOR THE DEVELOPER. THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. UM, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT SHOULD BE. IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT LIVE IN THIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT ANY OF YOU WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IN YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, I KNOW THE, UH, HIS AGENT AGAIN REPRESENTED THAT WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR FACING THE NORTH WOULD BE ELIMINATED. ELIMINATED. HE SAID THAT TONIGHT. BUT WITH THIS, ANY REGARD TO FIRE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED IN THAT JUST STATED, THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT. AND THERE ARE JUST AS MANY WINDOWS FACING THE WEST OVERLOOKING ANOTHER PROPERTY. UM, SO IS IT GONNA ELIMINATE ALL SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS FACING THE EXTERIOR? UM, PROPERTY LINES? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I WOULD ALSO ASK SOME PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ABOUT, THERE ARE EXISTING TREES TO THE EAST, UH, BOUNDARY NORTH AND SOUTH. THERE'S EXISTING TREES. DO THOSE NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED OR WOULD THEY REMAIN? HE SAID HE WOULD PUT A PLAYGROUND AREA THERE, BUT, UH, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S VERY, UM, WISE. BALLS TOYS CAN FALL OFF OF THAT PLAYGROUND AREA AND, AND, AND DAMAGED CARS APPROACHING. IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, IT SAYS THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE 1, 1 1 ACCESS, ONE DRIVEWAY. THAT DRIVEWAY LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING MOVED CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION. AND I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS WHERE I'VE BEEN TOLD NO, WE COULD NOT MOVE OUR OWN PROPERTY, UH, ON MY OWN PROPERTY. WE COULD NOT MOVE CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION FOR ACCESS. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SET UP ALSO TO DO A, A A, A BRYANT ACCESS IN THE FUTURE. MAYBE SOME VARIANCE IS GONNA BE REQUESTED. AND IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE THAT IT'S SET UP TO REALLY HAVE A DOMINO EFFECT AND TAKE OVER THE PROPERTY TO THE, TO THE, TO THE WEST AND THEN JUST CONTINUE THAT ROAD, THAT NORTH EAST AND WEST TEE. SO THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IS ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT LIMITED, UM, VISITOR PARKING, VISITOR LIMITED VEHICLE, UH, PARKING FOR TEENAGERS OR ELDERLY GRANDPARENTS THAT MAY BE PART OF THE, UM, UH, PART OF EACH OF THESE FAMILIES. I CAN IMAGINE COMING OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY IN THE MORNING AND WAITING FOR TWO OR THREE CARS TO, TO EVEN GET OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE GREEN LIGHT TO TURN RED TO [01:00:01] ENOUGH TRAFFIC'S NOT ZOOMING BY, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO A RIGHT TURN AND, OH, I FORGOT MY PHONE. SO I HAVE TO GO DOWN AND I HAVE TO TURN AROUND A HALF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, COME BACK. I STILL CAN'T GET TO THE PROPERTY. I'M SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. I STILL CAN'T GET IT TO MY PROPERTY 'CAUSE I GOTTA MAKE ANOTHER U-TURN, COME BACK TO THE PROPERTY, WAIT FOR ANOTHER SERIES OF LIGHTS TO CHANGE JUST SO I CAN GO BACK IN AND GET THE PHONE THAT I FORGOT. SO I, I MEAN THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF IMPRACTICAL, UM, SITE CONDITIONS AND NOT ADDING TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE. I HAVE ALSO A QUESTION. SO QUESTION ABOUT THE TREES TO THE EAST, UH, BOUNDARY NORTH AND SOUTH. I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW BIG IS THE SANITARY SEWER GOING TO BE. UM, THEY SAID THERE'S NO, NO, YOU KNOW, A BANK, A BANK COULD USE THAT SITE 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE HIGH, HIGH TRAFFIC FLOW. UH, A DENTIST, A CAR WASH. SO THERE'S COMMERCIAL USES FOR THAT. BUT IF, BUT THE APPLICANT SAID THAT HE WAS, YOU KNOW, TOLD BY THE COMMISSION, UH, BY THE, UH, PLANNING, UH, DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE TERM IS. BUT, UM, THAT, THAT WAS, UH, NOT WHAT WAS WANTED ON THIS SITE. UM, SO MY F THIRD QUESTION FOR THE, AND MAYBE THE CITY CAN, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO IDENTIFY HOW LONG BEFORE THE MEDIAN'S THERE, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE PER PEOPLE THAT TRY TO MAKE TURNS TO GET TO I 35, THEY'LL MAKE LEFT HAND TURNS IF THAT MEDIAN ISN'T IN PLACE. SO THERE'LL BE SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, UNTIL THE MEDIAN IS IN PLACE. AND, UH, WE WERE TOLD IN OUR MEETING THAT THE TARGETED PRICE WOULD BE $350,000 PER UNIT. AND HE SAID THAT, AND IT WAS A GUESSTIMATE. IT COULD BE REDUCED SUM, BUT PROBABLY NOT MUCH. SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AFFORDABLE. UH, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, UH, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AND IT WILL GENERATE QUITE A BIT OF REVENUE. UM, BUT RESIDENTS WILL BE MOVING IN AND OUT QUICKLY BECAUSE OF THE INCONVENIENCES THAT HAD BEEN LISTED ALL NIGHT. AND THAT, UM, IT REALLY WILL JUST TURN INTO RENTING, UH, A RENTAL SPACE FOR, UH, SO, AND WHEN IT'S JUST RENTED UNITS, THEN HOW FAR, I MEAN, HOW IS THAT NOT COMMERCIAL? IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT, UH, CAN BE SUSTAINED. UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS IN THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED. ONE IS THE, HOW LONG BEFORE THE MEDIAN'S GONNA GO IN FOR SAFETY REASONS. UM, AND THE FENCE LINE. HOW BIG IS THE, UM, SEWER LINE GONNA BE? AND WHAT ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND FIRE CODE PROTECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, I'M GONNA ELIMINATE WINDOWS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. MASSEY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THIS? YES, I'LL TRY AND GET THROUGH AS MUCH AS THIS AS I CAN. UM, AND NUMBER ONE, PLEASE LET ME REITERATE, THIS IS A REZONING, NOT A SITE PLAN APPROVAL. UM, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS COMING UP TONIGHT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REZONING WHEN OR IF THIS COMES BACK BEFORE YOU FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. UM, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE CITY CODES, ALL THE BUILDING CODES, ALL THE FIRE CODES. UM, I'VE HEARD ON BOTH SIDES TONIGHT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AT THIS LOCATION AND NOT ENOUGH ACCESS INTO THIS PROPERTY. UM, NUMEROUS TIMES. UM, WE'VE HEARD COMMENTS ABOUT WHEN IS THE WIDENING ON COVE GOING TO TAKE PLACE? I DON'T KNOW. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S SCHEDULE IS FOR COMPLETING THAT, BUT I DO KNOW WHEN OR IF THIS COMES TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THAT DRIVEWAY WILL BE ADDRESSED WITH DIRECTIONAL TRAFFIC. IF WE'VE GOTTA PUT WHAT WE CALL A PORT CHOP IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND MAKE SURE THAT TRAFFIC IS RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT, WE WILL DO THAT AGAIN. THOSE THINGS COME ON THE DESIGN STAGE FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, NOT AT REZONING. UM, WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE. AGAIN, IF FIRE CODE REQUIRES FOR ACCESS, WE CAN DO THAT. GUESS WHAT? UH, THEY CAN BE OBSCURED. YOU CAN USE THE TYPE GLASS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE OUT OF 'EM. THAT'S OKAY. THEY JUST NEED TO BE A ABLE TO GET OUT OF THEM IN THE [01:05:01] EVENT OF A FIRE EMERGENCY. UM, WE CAN'T CHANGE THE FIRE CODES. WE CAN'T CHANGE THE BUILDING CODES. UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IS DEVELOPED AT THIS LOCATION, THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT IS THERE. THEY COULD COME IN WITH A BUILDING PERMIT TO ADD A SECOND STORY THAT IS STILL GOING TO LOOK INTO THEIR NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARDS. THAT IS NOT A CODE VIOLATION. EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY IN EDMOND THAT HAS AN A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IS ALLOWED TO BUILD UP TO 35 FEET, TWO STORIES. IS IT CONVENIENT FOR YOUR NEIGHBOR? NO. IS IT ALLOWED BY CODE? YES. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT NOT BEING INVITED TO MEETINGS. UM, I KNOW THIS COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT THE CITY NO LONGER PROVIDES ACCESS FOR THOSE MEETINGS. IT IS ON THE INDIVIDUAL OWNER TO CONTACT EVERYONE WITHIN THAT 300 FOOT RADIUS ON THAT OWNERSHIP LIST. AND THEN TO TRY AND SCHEDULE, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE PUBLIC LIBRARY, THROUGH A FACILITY THAT THE HOA HAS AVAILABLE A CLUBHOUSE FACILITY. MR. HUTCHINSON MADE THOSE EFFORTS. THOSE EFFORTS WERE MADE BEFORE WE GOT HERE TONIGHT. AS MR. MOORE. AND I BELIEVE YOU MR. NASH SAID YOU, YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE MET WITH. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT DATE WAS THAT HE MET WITH THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS. UM, I KNOW WHAT HOME, WHAT, WHAT HOMEOWNERS IS THAT? UH, MR. HUTCHINSON, PLEASE COME UP HERE AND ADDRESS COUNSEL. I'M BARRY HUTCHINSON. I LIVE AT 1101 EAST COVAL. UH, I MET WITH THE BURNHAM WOODS GROUP IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR ON THE PROPERTY. THERE WAS, I THINK THERE WAS FIVE MEMBERS THERE. AND THEY CONTACTED ME AND, UH, ASKED TO TALK TO ME AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY. NOW, THE ONES THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE INDIVIDUALS HERE, THEY HAD THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO CONTACT ME ALSO. AND THEY DID NOT. SO, BUT THEY DID THIS LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD IN, UH, THE 11TH OF THIS MONTH, THEY DID. AND THEN WE HAD THAT MEETING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS, UH, WEDNESDAY. LAST WEDNESDAY. SCOOT UP CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE. THANK, CAN YOU HEAR ME? SORRY. SO, SO THE EFFORT WAS MADE. MR. MASSEY, THIS ISN'T YOUR DEBUT AT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. AND JUST BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T SANCTION THOSE MEETINGS OR THEY, WE DON'T FACILITATE THOSE MEETINGS. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW, AND THAT MEANS THE DEVELOPER AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TALK AND SIT DOWN AND TRY TO COME TO SOME UNDERSTANDING. DID THAT HAPPEN? Y IT DID HAPPEN WITH THE DEVELOPER. YES. AT BURNHAM WOODS? NO. YES. NO, NO. AT BURNHAM WOODS. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. AND THE, THE NEIGHBORS, WHEN DID YOU YES, THAT WAS LAST WEDNESDAY WAS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. AND WHERE WAS THAT AT? THAT WAS, UH, AT THE LIBRARY TALKING MICROPHONE. IT WAS AT THE LIBRARY THAT WE HAD THAT INFORMATION. UH, WE HAD THAT ADDRESS. UH, WE ENDED UP MEETING THIS LAST WEDNESDAY. AND THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, BURNHAM WOODS HAD OBJECTIONS TO IT ALL. SO, AND I MET WITH THEM AND CAME OUT WITH THAT MEETING. NOBODY'S HERE DID NOT FROM BURNHAM WOODS, BUT THE INDIVIDUALS, UH, THEY'RE HERE AS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WERE YOU ALL, DID YOU ANSWER WHAT YOU WANTED TO ANSWER? WELL, AGAIN, I MEAN, THERE, THERE WERE NUMEROUS COMMENTS. I THINK A LOT OF THEM WERE REPEATED. UH, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC CONCERNS, UM, THERE ARE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THERE NOW. UM, WHETHER THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES THROUGH OR NOT, THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS ARE GOING TO REMAIN. UM, [01:10:03] AS FAR AS TAKING AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS OFF OF BRYANT, UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, AND IT IS NOT FEASIBLE. UM, AND, AND TO ADD A SECOND ACCESS ONTO BRYANT, WHERE YOU HAVE OBSCURED VISIBILITY, WOULD ONLY INCREASE THE ACCIDENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION. ULTIMATELY, WHEN THIS INTERSECTION IS FULLY IMPROVED, IT WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE THE ABILITY FOR TRAFFIC TO MAKE THOSE LEFT HAND TURNS COMING OUT OF THIS INTERSECTION. AGAIN, THERE'S AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY AT THAT LOCATION. NOW. UM, YES, THERE MAY ONLY BE ONE RESIDENT LIVING THERE. UM, THERE'S NOT A CODE THAT SAYS HE CAN'T HAVE FIVE PEOPLE LIVING WITH HIM, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 10, 10 TRIPS COMING IN AND OUT THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNPROTECTED. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC'S AN ISSUE. I DON'T THINK THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO RESOLVE THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, BUT I BELIEVE WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE WHEN WE COME BACK FOR SITE PLAN, WE'LL ADDRESS THE ENGINEERING ISSUES AND WE'RE GOING TO BE EXTENDING PUBLIC UTILITIES TO AN INTERSECTION THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERSERVED. WHETHER IT HAPPENS TODAY OR IT HAPPENS FIVE OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THIS INTERSECTION IS GOING TO DEVELOP, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE WITH TRAFFIC. UM, AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THERE ARE 16 UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE CITY OF EDMOND. UM, I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOU. OKAY. THANK IF YOU USEFUL. THANK YOU. UM, SO THIS IS ONE THAT WHEN YOU WERE HERE IN AUGUST, I HAD TO GO BACK AND WATCH THAT VIDEO BECAUSE I COULDN'T REMEMBER CERTAIN DETAILS. I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT I DID HAVE A CLEAR MIND ABOUT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. AND IN THAT MEETING, UM, I WAS PRETTY QUIET BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING. I WAS LISTENING TO THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT. AND, UM, MAYOR NASH AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOORE, THEY ASK FOR MEETINGS AND THEY ASK YOU TO CONTACT THE NEIGHBORS. MM-HMM . AND SURE THE CITY DOESN'T PROVIDE INVITATIONS AND PUNCH AND A BUILDING ANYMORE. BUT I DO THINK IT'S KIND OF, IT'S HOW WE WANT BUSINESS TO BE DONE. 'CAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THEN THEY END UP HAPPENING HERE AGAIN WITH THE SAME, THE SAME RESIDENTS WHO DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN HEARD. WELL, I'M, I'M HEARING THEM AGAIN, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL OF THEM ON THE PHONE. UM, AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS IS REZONING, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SITE PLAN YET, BUT THIS IS A PUD AND YOU'RE WANTING US TO COMMIT TO 16 UNITS, WHICH IS A LOT OF DENSITY ON THAT, IN THAT SPACE. UM, YOU KNOW, DRIVING THAT AREA, I DRIVE IT OFTEN CAREFULLY. MM-HMM . UH, I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT I THINK WE ALL, WE KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE RIGHT THERE, BUT I MEAN, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH, UM, THERE'S HORSES, THERE ARE LLAMAS. UM, I JUST THINK I HAVE, AGAIN, MANY TIMES IN THIS SEAT A APPRO I'VE PR UM, I'VE BEEN OKAY WITH INFILL. I, I AM, I JUST THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME SENSITIVITY TO THE AREA. THAT'S WHY WE TAKE THESE THINGS CASE BY CASE. SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY. I DON'T REALLY WANNA BE LOCKED INTO A PUD THAT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE MAXIMUM 16 UNITS. I THINK THAT'S TOO MANY. UM, YEAH, AND I, I GUESS I'LL JUST REPEAT WHAT I SAID. THAT, UM, WE AMENDED THE COMP PLAN. THERE WAS A REALLY HARDY CONVERSATION OR THERE WAS LOTS OF COMMENTS MADE BY CITIZENS, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME INSTRUCTION GIVEN BY TWO OF MY COUNTERPARTS, AND I KIND OF FELT LIKE IT WAS A LAYUP. UM, SO I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS AMOUNT OF DENSITY, SO, OKAY. I WAS GOING TO ADD, UH, WHEN I TOLD YOU AT 11, I LIVE AT 1101 EAST COVEL, THAT IS ABOUT 300 YARDS TO THE WEST WHERE THIS PROJECT IS. [01:15:01] I BUILT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR HOUSE THERE. AND THESE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND HERE ARE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T CARE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS UPGRADING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IN DUE TIME. THIS PROJECT WILL. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT WE BILL IT THERE. EDMOND IS LOOKING FOR INFILL. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS TO EXTEND UTILITY LINES OF WHICH I WILL BE DOING. AND, UH, THE, UH, THIS IS JUST A GOOD, THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO DO IT. I OWN IT. I OWN FOUR PROPERTIES UP AND DOWN COVELL. SO IT'S NOT ONLY AFFECTING THIS PROPERTY, IT'S AFFECTING, UH, UH, IT'S GONNA BE TO MY DEBT, MY, UH, BENEFIT LATER ON OR DETRIMENT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. HOPEFULLY THE CITY WILL EVENTUALLY WIDEN THE SEAT, THE STREET. I'M SURE THEY WILL EVENTUALLY. AND, UH, BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS, THIS IS WHAT I THINK'S GOOD FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT, FOR THIS AREA RIGHT NOW. AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL I GOTTA SAY ABOUT IT. OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? JUST, JUST A COUPLE. UM, ON ONE HAND I COULD SAY I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE BEST PUD THAT COULD BE DONE HERE. WISH IT COULD BE A LITTLE BETTER. UH, WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE AT, AT THE PRESENT, A COUPLE THINGS I'D LIKE TO, TO POINT OUT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON POINT ON THIS ONE OF THEM. THIS IS NOT MULTIFAMILY. I HEAR THIS BEING SAID OVER AND OVER TOWN HOMES, DUPLEXES ARE NOT MULTIFAMILY. SECONDLY, AND I HOPE ONLY HAVE TO SAY THIS ONCE FROM UP HERE, I'M TIRED OF HEARING PEOPLE SAY, PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE SHOULDN'T LIVE HERE. OKAY? THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OR DENIAL OF A PUD. THIS DOES MEET FOR DIVERSITY OF HOUSING OR COMP PLAN. I HAVE NO IDEA. THAT'S MR. MASSEY'S PROBLEM AS TO HOW THEY GET UTILITIES OVER THERE. MR. HUTCHINSON'S PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT SEWER LINE. THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S PROBLEM. IT'S NOT MINE TO WORRY ABOUT. I QUESTION WHETHER IT COULD BE DONE AND I QUESTION WHETHER THERE ISN'T MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER TWEAKING FOR THAT PUD, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THAT THAT CORNER, ANYBODY WHO SITS HERE AND THINKS THAT CORNER'S GONNA STAY AS IS, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO AND GET READY BECAUSE THAT CORNER EAST OF THERE, LOOK UP WHAT HAD ZONED. THIS IS A MUCH BETTER USE OF THE LAND AND, AND FOR YOUR PROBLEMS, WHO LIVE NEXT TO IT? I'M NOT CRAZY. EVEN 25 MORE CARS. I COULD SAY THAT I PASS THAT WAY AT LEAST ONCE, USUALLY TWO OR THREE TIMES A DAY. 'CAUSE I LIVE ONE MILE NORTH OF THERE. SO WE ALL CAN HATE TRAFFIC AND WE ALL CAN WISH AND WHATEVER. UM, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH FACTS AS FACTS AND THAT THAT PLACE IS NOT GOING TO STAY AS IT IS TODAY. NOW, CAN WE IMPROVE THE PUD? THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. AND I, I I, I THROW THAT BACK TO YOU, MR. MASSEY. THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK I'M HEARING THAT THE COORDINATION THAT WAS INTENDED TO HAPPEN DIDN'T HAPPEN. UM, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT OUR POLICY ON THE CITY HOSTING THOSE MEETINGS. SIDE NOTE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT, IN MY OPINION. UH, SHOULD WE CONSIDER CONTINUING THIS TO ALLOW THAT CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN AND MAYBE TO ALLOW THE PUD TO BE REVISED. JUST THROWING IT OUT AS AN IDEA. IT'S GOOD. I LIKE IT. BE BEFORE YOUR IDEA GOES TOO FAR. UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. OKAY? UM, MANY OF 'EM ARE IN LINE WITH MR. FRAME'S STATEMENTS, UM, AND TO MR. MASSEY'S COMMENTS, THIS IS NOT A SITE PLAN, AND YET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STREET. OKAY? I CAN GIVE YOU AS MANY ANSWERS AS YOU WANT TO HEAR. [01:20:01] YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO LEFT TURN. WE'VE GOT THESE THINGS CALLED YELLOW STICKS THAT ARE ALL OVER TOWN NOW THAT STOP PEOPLE FROM MAKING THOSE LEFT TURNS. THERE ARE WAYS TO DEAL WITH IT. IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. IF WE'RE GONNA GET THAT PETTY ON THIS, THE REALITY OF THIS IS, YEAH, COVE IS GONNA BE EXPANDED AT SOME POINT. WE'RE GONNA FINISH THAT PARKWAY. I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT IS. WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH COVE AND COLTRANE OBVIOUSLY. I MEAN, WHY RUSH INTO BRYANT WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN GET COLTRANE DONE? BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUD, SOMEONE MADE THE COMMENT, WELL, IT'S A DISTRICT. NO. A PUD IS NOT A DISTRICT, IT IS A DEVELOPMENT PERIOD. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE WAY OUR ZONING WORKS TODAY. IT'S BROKEN, WE'RE WORKING ON IT. BUT THE BIGGEST THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ALL THIS, WHILE I'M ANSWERING ALL THE REASONS WHY, GEE, MAYBE WE SHOULD APPROVE IT, IS THE CONVERSATIONS THAT COUNCILMAN MOORE AND I ASKED FOR DID NOT HAPPEN THE WAY WE EXPECTED THEM TO HAPPEN. IT WAS NOT THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE AROUND THAT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTACT YOU, MR. HUTCHINSON, TO HOLD A MEETING WITH YOU. WE ASKED YOU TO GO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. WE DIDN'T ASK THE NEIGHBORS TO COME MEET WITH YOU. AND APPARENTLY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE. AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, PART OF IT UNTIL AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I'M INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTED AT THAT. UM, AND IF THE ANSWER IS WE CONTINUE IT, MAYBE WE CONTINUE THIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, UH, I THOUGHT ABOUT ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE ON THIS, AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE NEIGHBORS. SO HERE'S WHAT I'VE GOTTA SAY ABOUT ALL OF THIS. THE PUD CAN BE IMPROVED ON. AND LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, AND COUNCILWOMAN MURDOCH NICHOLS, I, YOU KNOW, WE, I SINCERELY ASK YOU TO GO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD. AND YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT. MR. MASSEY, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND DOZENS OF THESE MEETINGS, COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS, MEETINGS, AND THE CITY MAY NOT SANCTION THOSE MEETINGS, BUT YOU KNOW HOW THEY'RE CONDUCTED. YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO TO GET PEOPLE THERE. UH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT BETTER. IT COULD HAVE BEEN. AND THEN YOU INDICATE, WELL, WE'LL JUST GET RID OF THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK AND THEN 20 MINUTES LATER IT WAS, WELL, WE MAY JUST SHADE THEM WHERE THEY CAN'T LOOK OUTSIDE THE WINDOWS. WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA HAVE WINDOWS OR SHADED WINDOWS. SO THIS THING'S GOT A, A LONG WAY TO GO. IF YOU HAD THOSE MEETINGS, LIKE YOU INDICATED SOME OF THEM WERE HELD, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO IMPROVE ON THEM. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU GOT THESE FOLKS EATING OUTTA THE PALM OF YOUR HAND ON HOW THOSE MEETINGS WENT. SO I, I THINK, MR. MAYOR, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF A DELAY. UH, WE'VE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. I'VE HAD MONTHS TO DO THIS AND THEY HAVEN'T. AND HUTCH, LOOK, YOU CAN DO BETTER ON THIS. COME BACK SOME AT TIME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO, MR. MAYOR? I WOULD MAKE A MOTION. UH, FIVE E SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION FAILS. ONE FOUR. [6. Recess of the Edmond City Council Meeting and Call to Order of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting.] I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECESS THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING. CALL ORDER THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING. SO MOVED. MAYOR SECOND. HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. WE'RE NOW IN THE PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING. ITEM [7. Public Works Authority General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Public Works Authority. Members of the Public Works Authority may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.] SEVEN, PUBLIC WORKS. GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. THERE ARE S THERE ARE NINE ITEMS THIS EVENING. MR. MAYOR. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY. GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS, ALL NINE. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. [01:25:01] ITEM EIGHT, [A. Consideration of Public Works Authority General Consent Agenda Items Pulled for Separate Discussion and/or Action.] PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION ITEMS EIGHT. A CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY. GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS PULLED, THERE WERE NONE. [B. Consideration of Approval of Waiver of Competitive Bids and Approval of Sole Provider Purchase of Landis+Gyr Products from Border States Industries, Inc; Not to Exceed $400,000.00. (Citywide)] B, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF WAIVER COMPETITIVE BIDS AND APPROVAL OF SOLE SOURCE PROVIDER PURCHASE OF LANDIS PLUS, I HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO EVEN PRONOUNCE THAT. GER PRODUCTS FROM BORDER STATES INDUSTRIES INC. NOT TO EXCEED $400,000. I'M ASSUMING SOMEONE FROM STAFF IS COMING FORWARD. . SARAH COBB, DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THIS ITEM? ANY QUESTIONS? MAYOR AND COUNSEL? THIS ITEM IS, UH, OUT OF CONSENT BECAUSE IT WILL REQUIRE TWO VOTES. ONE FOR THE WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE BIDS AND ONE FOR THEIR APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE. THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. NO QUESTIONS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION ON, UH, NUMBER ONE TO WAIVE COMPETITIVE BIDS. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. THANKS COREY, FOR MAKING IT EASY ON US. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. I [9. Adjournment of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting and Reconvene the Edmond City Council Meeting.] WOULD NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING AND RECONVENE THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO MOVE MAYOR. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. WE'RE BACK TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING. [10. City Council General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Council. Members of the Council may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.] ITEM 10, CITY COUNCIL GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. THERE ARE 15 ITEMS TONIGHT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ITEMS, K AND M. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? NOPE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 10. ALL OF THE GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS EXCEPT FOR K AND M. I HAVE A MOTION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF K AND M, CORRECT? YEAH. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. WE ARE NOW ON TO ITEM 11 A. WE WILL BE CONSIDERING 10 K AND 10 M. LET'S [K. Consideration of Approval of Purchase of Renewal of Cisco Security Choice Enterprise Agreement with Presidio Networked Solutions through Oklahoma State Contract SW1006C; $73,066.14 Annually. (Ward 4)] START WITH 10 K. 10 K IS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF PURCHASE OF RENEWAL, RENEWAL OF CISCO SECURITY CHOICE ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT WITH PRESIDIO NETWORK SOLUTIONS THROUGH OKLAHOMA STATE CONTRACT SW 1 0 0 6 C IN THE AMOUNT OF $73,066 AND 14 CENTS ANNUALLY. AND YOU'RE STANDING THERE JUST WAITING ON QUESTIONS, AREN'T YOU MR. FRAME? I HAVE NO QUESTION. UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT, THIS IS PROBABLY THE GOVERNANCE ISSUE OF THE WORLD TODAY. I HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM APPROVING THIS. I ALSO FULLY UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T LAY OUT ALL OF OUR DEFENSES AND TRAPS AND SECURITY IN A PUBLIC MEETING. HOWEVER, I WOULD BECAUSE OF THAT'D LIKE TO ASK CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO PROVIDE COUNSEL AN OVERSIGHT OVERVIEW MEMO, CONFIDENTIAL REPORT TO BE READ, UNDERSTOOD DISCARDED SO THAT WE CAN APPROVE THAT FROM AN OVERSIGHT POSITION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? MOVE WHAT I JUST SAID. WELL, I THINK YOU JUST SAYING THAT. WE'LL, WE WILL GET OUR CITY MANAGER WORKING ON THAT. YEAH. I'M MORE LOOKING AT WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THIS ITEM? YEAH, WELL NO, I, I I DON'T HAVE PROBLEM APPROVING IT AS LONG AS THERE'S A FOLLOW UP TO THAT. SO THAT, THAT'S A MOTION, IS A MOTION TO APPROVE AS STATED IN THE AGENDA. I'LL SECOND THAT. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. ALRIGHT, [M. Consideration of Approval of a Contract Amendment with C4L, LLC for Structural Repair of the KickingBird Pickleball Indoor Court Facility for Change Order No. 1; $28,965.00. (Ward 1)] ITEM M. YOU CAN RUN AWAY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THIS. NEXT ONE. ITEM M IS CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF CONTRACT [01:30:01] AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT WITH C FOUR LLLC FOR STRUCTURAL REPAIR OF THE KICKING BIRD PICKLEBALL INDOOR COURT FACILITY FOR CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE IN THE AMOUNT OF $28,965. AND I'D REALLY LIKE FOR SOMEONE FROM STAFF TO STAND UP HERE IN FRONT OF US AS WE START SMACKING WHIFFLE BALLS AT YOU. GOOD EVENING. UM, THE, THE AMENDMENT IS REALLY TO COMPLETE THE STRUCTURAL REPAIR. UM, IT'S JUST FOR THE PARTS, BASICALLY THE, FOR THE BRACE, FOR THE BUBBLE. UM, IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. IT'S JUST THE FINAL, UM, AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO COMPLETE THE STRUCTURAL CHANGES. MR. MOORE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ON THIS? THIS IS FOR STRUCTURAL CHANGES. WHAT ABOUT THE, THE COVER? WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK TO SEE EXACTLY, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, WE, BRAD, BEFORE WE LEFT DID GET A, UH, PRESUMED DELIVERY DATE FOR IT. UM, BUT THE TIMELINE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO REALLY SAY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME PROBLEMS, UH, MEETING THOSE DEADLINES THAT WE'VE SET FOR OURSELVES. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE SURE. THAT I'M NOT GIVING ANY LEGAL. AND I KNOW MR. RAINEY HAD SOME OF THESE ANSWERS AND WE WISH HIM WELL IN PROVO. AND I JUST DID. I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THIS, UH, UH, THE STRUCTURAL REPAIR WITH THIS 28,965. THAT'S ALL SQUARED AWAY. IT'S ALL SET. IT'S STRUCTURALLY SOUND. YES. TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE. CORRECT. THIS IS JUST THE FINAL PIECE. THE, UH, THE, THE FINAL BIT WE HAVE TO DO FOR IT, I GUESS. SORRY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE BACK UP HERE IN A MONTH ASKING FOR SOMETHING ELSE? NOT I SAY THAT TO STRUCTURE. I I SAY THAT BECAUSE ALMOST 18 MONTHS AGO, I WAS TOLD BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE BEFORE YOU THAT, OH, WE ALREADY HAVE THE COVER. IT'S ON SITE. WE'RE JUST WAITING TO FINISH THESE REPAIRS. IT'LL BE DONE IN THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TOLD. YES SIR. I MET WITH THE PICKLEBALL GROUP AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD THEM. I, I LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT TO THAT GROUP RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S ON ME FOR ACCEPTING THAT KIND OF AN ANSWER. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS DONE AND OUT OF OUR HAIR. THIS IS, IT'S RIDICULOUS. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN GOING ON? OVER TWO YEARS. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ON YOU. THAT'S ALRIGHT. MR. HALE WORK, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ON, ON MR. KRIEGER, BUT THIS PROJECT HAS GOT TO GET FINISHED. PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF LOOKING AT THAT SKELETON SITTING THERE ON THAT HILL. THAT'S, I THINK ALL OF US HAVE KIND OF SET OUR PEACE ON THIS MAYBE, UNLESS ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO. I HAVE WHAT CAN BE SAID IN A PUBLIC MEETING. , THANK YOU. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'M, I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. MR. MAYOR, OR? YES SIR. ARE YOU PREPARED TO GO TO ITEM 11? WELL, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ITEM 11 A. THAT WAS THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. WOULD YOU LIKE TO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? YEAH. 'CAUSE I SEE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS. CAN WE RECESS AND RETURN AT SEVEN 10 OR EXCUSE ME, 7:11 PM PLEASE. YOU HAVE A MOTION TO RECESS UNTIL THAT MOTION UNTIL YES. SEVEN 11. I'LL SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. FIVE MINUTES AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. WE'RE RECESSED TILL SEVEN 11 TO RECONVENE THE CITY COUNCIL INTO THE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION ITEMS. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. WE ARE BACK FOLKS. WE'RE NOW [B. Consideration of Approval of Change Order No. 1 (FINAL) to the Contract for Construction with Rudy Construction for the Downtown ADA Sidewalk and Signal Improvements Project; $121,395.51 Increase. (Ward 1)] ON 11 B. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF CHANGE. ORDER NUMBER ONE, FINAL OF THE CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION WITH RUDY. CONS WITH RUDY CONSTRUCTION FOR THE DOWNTOWN A DA SIDEWALK AND SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT $121,395 51 CENTS INCREASE. MR. HAVE MR. MAYOR, THE ONLY ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? THE ONLY POINT THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT [01:35:01] UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, PREVIOUSLY WHEN THE CITY HAS DONE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE SIDEWALK, OTHER KIND OF WORK IN THE DOWNTOWN, IT'S BEEN DISRUPTIVE AND, UH, I THINK A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE LOOKING FOR ASSURANCE THAT WE'LL BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR, UH, THIS TIME, IF THAT'S A WAY TO PUT IT. AND WE'LL, ANY DISTURBANCE THAT'S CREATED OR ANY MESS THAT'S CREATED, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, REMEDY AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT'D YOU LIKE TO DO? SO THOSE MAYOR, SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO [C. Consideration of Approval of Renewal of Cisco Flex Plan for Calling and Contact Center with Chickasaw Telecom Inc for Voice Systems on Oklahoma State Contract ITSW1006 - SW1006C; $67,140.24 Annually. (Citywide)] ITEM 11 C. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF RENEWAL OF CISCO FLEX PLAN FOR CALLING AND CONTACT CENTER WITH CHICKASAW TELECOM INC. FOR VOICE SYSTEMS ON OKLAHOMA STATE CONTRACT ITSW 1 0 0 6 DASH SW 1 0 0 6 C IN THE AMOUNT OF $67,140 AND 24 CENTS ANNUALLY. SO MR. MAYOR, THIS WAS GOING TO BE, UM, A CONSENT ITEM. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE REASON COUNCILMAN MOORE HAS RECUSED HIMSELF. HE HAD A, A, A CONFLICT WITH IT. THANK YOU. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO ITEM [D. Consideration of Approval of Waiver of Competitive Bids and Approval of Sole Provider Purchase of Landis+Gyr Products from Border States Industries, Inc; Not to Exceed $400,000.00. (Citywide)] 11 D. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF WAIVER OF COMPETITIVE BIDS AND APPROVAL FOR SOLE SOURCE PROVIDER PURCHASE OF LANDIS PLUS G PRODUCTS FROM BORDER STATE INDUSTRIES, INC. NOT TO EXCEED $400,000. STAFF COMMENTS? WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THIS ONE. ONCE IN PUBLIC WORKS, UNLESS SARAH WANTS TO COME RE BRIEF THIS ONE. NO , I'M KIDDING. I'LL MAKE THE SAME MOTION. UM, FIRST MOTION TO WAIVE COMPETITIVE BIDS. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. . IT'S REALLY CONVINCING. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. AND THEN I'LL, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE. SECOND MOTION. SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO ITEM [E. Consideration of Acceptance of the Annual Comprehensive Financial Report and Single Audit for the Fiscal Year Ending June 30, 2025, by Andy Cromer of HSPG & Associates. (Citywide)] 11 E. CONSIDERATION OF ACCEPTANCE OF THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT AND SINGLE AUDIT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2025. MR. KROMER FROM HSPG AND ASSOCIATES, PLEASE. HELLO, FLORIDA. YOURS. MY NAME IS ANDY KROMER. I'M A CPA AND A SHAREHOLDER WITH HSPG. UH, WE HAVE AUDITED THE CITY'S FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR JUNE 30TH, 2025. WE'VE GOT FOUR DOCUMENTS HERE, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY. UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS. THERE'S TWO FIRMS INVOLVED. HSPG. WE ACTUALLY DO THE AUDIT. ANOTHER FIRM, THE CRAWFORD ASSOCIATES, IN FACT, HE'LL COME BEHIND ME. THEY ARE A SEPARATE FIRM. THEY HELP THE CITY GET READY FOR AUDIT. THEY ACTUALLY, WITH THE CITY'S HELP PREPARE THIS REPORT AND PUT IT TOGETHER. BUT WE ARE TWO SEPARATE FIRMS AND THAT'S FOR INDEPENDENCE PURPOSES. SO WE JUST, UH, WE'RE HERE IN WHAT, LATE APRIL? THIS REPORT WAS ISSUED THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS. UH, SO DECEMBER OF 2025. SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH MANAGEMENT, WE'VE MET WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. WE'VE MET WITH SOME INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. AND NOW WE'RE GETTING HERE TO YOU ALL, UH, WITH SOME OF THOSE PREVIOUS MEETINGS WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, QUITE HONESTLY, THEY CAME WITH THE MOST PREPAREDNESS AND READY TO TALK ABOUT A REPORT THAT I'VE EVER SEEN WITH A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT. IN FACT, IT REALLY WASN'T CLOSE. SO, SO, BUT WE HAVE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND SO THIS REPORT'S BEEN OUT THERE A WHILE. SO IN THIS REPORT, FRANK HAS INSTRUCTED ME TO TELL YOU THAT WE PREPARED THREE PAGES OF THIS, OR MAYBE FOUR, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT THE REST OF IT WAS, WAS HIS FIRM AND, AND THE CITY. BUT THAT'S OUR AUDIT OPINION. AND THAT OPINION SAYS THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE MATERIALLY CORRECT. AND SO HE'S GONNA GET UP AND WALK THROUGH WHAT A LOT OF THIS SAYS. SO I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT. I'LL LET THAT NEXT PRESENTATION DO THIS. BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WITHIN HERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE SECTIONS. AND SO THERE'S THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND THE FOOTNOTES THAT GO WITH IT. THOSE HAVE OUR HIGHEST LEVEL OF ASSURANCE THAT'S, WE BEAT THOSE UP. THERE'S OTHER SECTIONS IN HERE. THERE'S A STATISTICAL SECTION, THERE'S A [01:40:01] MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION ANALYSIS. THERE'S OTHER SECTIONS IN HERE THAT HAVE A MUCH LESS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, EFFORT PUT INTO THOSE BY US. AND SO THE AUDIT OPINION TRIES TO EXPLAIN THAT, UH, IN HERE. BUT THERE ARE LEVEL, UH, LOWER LEVELS OF ASSURANCE ON SOME OF THOSE ANCILLARY SECTIONS. UH, SO THAT'S THAT REPORT. THE SECOND DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE ISSUED IS A SINGLE AUDIT REPORT THAT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE THE OF THE CITY'S FEDERAL, UH, GRANT SPENDING. SO IN 25, THAT WAS CLOSE TO ABOUT $20 MILLION. UH, THAT BY FAR BLEW AWAY ANYTHING YOU'VE EVER DONE BEFORE. AND SO WHEN YOU ARE AT THAT LEVEL, WE ARE REQUIRED TO AUDIT FOR COMPLIANCE, THOSE MAJOR PROGRAMS. AND SO THERE WERE FOUR PROGRAMS THAT WE AUDITED FOR A COMPLIANCE IN 2025, AND WE ISSUED TWO REPORTS OVER THAT. AND SO IF WE HAD ANY ISSUES, WELL, ONE REPORT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA. THE OTHER REPORT IS REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF FEDERALIST EXPENDITURES. THOSE REPORTS HAVE A SECTION FOR CONTROL AND A SECTION FOR A COMPLIANCE. AND NEITHER REPORT DID WE HAVE ANY FINDINGS. SO THAT'S VERY GOOD, PARTICULARLY WITH THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY THAT YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, $20 MILLION, WHICH AGAIN BLEW AWAY ANYTHING YOU'D DONE IN THE PAST. UH, THE THIRD DOCUMENT WE ISSUED IS A LETTER TO MANAGEMENT. THAT LETTER, THIS DOCUMENT AND THE SINGLE AUDIT REPORT GET FILED WITH THE STATE OFFICER'S OFFICE AND WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CLEARINGHOUSE, THE MANAGEMENT LETTER DOES NOT, IT'S ONLY FOR THIS BODY AND FOR MANAGEMENT. AND WHATEVER COMMENTS ARE IN THERE, WE CONSIDER THOSE TO BE LESS SEVERE THAN IF A COMMENT HAD TO BE REPORTED TO THE STATE OFFICER'S OFFICE. SO WE'VE ISSUED THAT, WE'VE GOT A, A COUPLE COMMENTS IN THAT. AND THEN THE FOURTH DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE ISSUED IS, I JUST CALL IT A REQUIRED COMMUNICATION LETTER. THAT IS SIX OR SEVEN BULLET POINTS THAT WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE GOVERNING BODY. AND SO WE'VE DONE THAT. UH, REALLY JUST IN A NUTSHELL, THE CITY IMPLEMENTED A NEW ACCOUNTING STANDARD, WHICH MADE YOUR NET POSITION LOOK A LITTLE BIT WORSE. UH, BUT EVERY, EVERY GOVERNMENT IN THE COUNTRY HAD TO FOLLOW THE SAME THING AND DID THE SAME THING TO THEM. UH, THERE IS A NUMBER OF ESTIMATES INVOLVED IN PREPARING THIS. SO SOME OF THOSE ESTIMATES MAY NOT HAPPEN UNTIL 30 YEARS FROM NOW FOR, FOR INSTANCE, PENSIONS. SO YOU THINK THIS IS HISTORICAL, BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS HISTORICAL. WE HAD A HANDFUL OF ENTRIES THAT GOT POSTED OR MAYBE THE CITY SAID THEY'RE NOT MATERIAL. AND SO THOSE ENTRIES ARE IN THAT DOCUMENT. AND THEN, UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. SO THAT WAS MY REPORT IN A NUTSHELL AND JUST KNOW THAT, AGAIN, WE'VE GONE OVER ALL OF THIS IN GREAT DETAIL WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME NOW, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO MY BEST. ANY QUESTIONS? NO REAL QUESTIONS. I JUST WANNA POINT, MAKE A COMMENT. ONE THING I ALWAYS LOOK FOR IN THE AUDIT IS A STATEMENT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S, IT'S ALWAYS ENCUMBERED WITH A LOT OF DISCLAIMERS. UH, I DID FIND IT HERE THAT, UH, OUR CONSIDERATION OF INTERNAL CONTROLS FOR THE LIMITED PURPOSE OF DESCRIBING THE FIRST PARAGRAPH WAS NOT DESIGNED TO IDENTIFY ALL DEFICIENCIES IN INTERNAL CONTROL THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE MATERIAL WEAKNESSES OR SIGN SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES. GIVEN THESE LIMITATIONS DURING OUR AUDIT, WE DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY DEFICIENCIES IN INTERNAL CONTROL THAT WE CONSIDERED BE MATERIAL WEAKNESS. AND, UM, SIMILAR DURING OUR AUDIT, WE DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY DEFICIENCIES IN INTERNAL CONTROL OVER COMPLIANCE THAT WE CONSIDER TO BE MATERIAL WEAKNESSES AS DEFINED ABOVE. THOSE ARE IMPORTANT STATEMENTS IN ANY AUDIT FOR ANYBODY WHO READS IT TO KNOW. AND SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IN FACT, I HAD MY MY BULLET POINT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND I SKIPPED OVER IT. BUT WHEN WE AUDIT AND I, I AM GLAD YOU ACTUALLY MADE SENSE OF THAT, THAT IS A REQUIRED REPORT, REQUIRED WORDING. WE DON'T COME UP WITH THOSE SENTENCES, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY OR ELSE THE STATE WILL KICK IT OUT. BUT WHEN WE DO LOOK AT YOUR INTERNAL CONTROL, WE ARE NOT AUDITING THE CITY'S INTERNAL CONTROL. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO, WE DON'T WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT SIMPLY TO HELP US PLAN OUR AUDIT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE LIMIT THAT WE DO FOR CONTROLS. UM, SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. BUT YES, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THAT. SO, ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE A FEW THINGS. UM, ANDY AND FRANK ARE THE ONLY GUYS THAT GET EXCITED WITH ALL MY QUESTIONS. SO I'M TALKING TO THESE GUYS. THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR ALL YOU GUYS DO FOR THE CITY AND DOING THIS EVERY YEAR. UM, IT SAYS IN HERE, MAYBE YOU MENTIONED IT, I WAS LOOKING AT MY NOTES, UM, GFOA AWARD FOR THE LAST 39 YEARS FOR THE ACT FOR. UM, AND SO KUDOS TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND, AND, UM, ANOTHER [01:45:01] JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT THAT GROUP'S DOING A GOOD JOB. UM, WE SHOWED A COMBINED NET POSITION INCREASE OF 63 MILLION LESS. THIS IS, THIS IS DATA FROM 24 25, RIGHT? BUT A, A COMBINED NET POSITION INCREASE, ALL THOSE SALES TAX WAS DOWN, UM, A, A BIG JUMP IN INTEREST INCOME. SO SOME SMART FINANCIAL DECISIONS WERE MADE BY THE PREVIOUS COUNCILS AND STAFF THAT, UM, THAT WERE MANAGING THESE THINGS A FEW YEARS AGO. JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. UM, THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES WERE LOW, WHICH WE KNOW AND WE'RE ADDRESSING THROUGH THE PROCESS THIS YEAR, THE BUDGETING PROCESS. UM, I HOPE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, I I SAY THIS EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT THIS. I HOPE WE CAN SPEED UP THIS PROCESS. THE DATA HERE IS, YOU KNOW, TWO TO 1-YEAR-OLD, UH, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FISCAL YEAR AND THE LAG FROM THAT. AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THAT'S OUTTA YOUR CONTROL. OBVIOUSLY ANDY AND THE OUT OF OUR FINANCE TEAM'S CONTROL, BUT IN A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT YOU GET THAT DATA MUCH QUICKER. AND SO I'M PUSHING EVERYONE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO IMPROVE ON THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CHALLENGE. UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UM, OUR AUDIT WAS, WAS DONE BY THE END OF LAST YEAR AND THAT'S AHEAD OF MANY OF OUR PEER CITIES. SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK TO GET THAT DONE AND GET IT WRAPPED UP. THANK YOU. AND KATHY AND SHEILA AND THE OTHERS, THAT'S ALL FOR ME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS REPORT? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU MR. KROMER. THANK YOU. ITEM [F. Presentation and Discussion of the Performeter for the Fiscal Year Ending June 30, 2025, by Frank Crawford of Crawford and Associates. (Citywide)] 11 F PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE PERFORMER FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2025 BY FRANK CRAWFORD OF CRAWFORD AND ASSOCIATES. MR. CRAWFORD. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. AND, UH, IT DOESN'T SEEM QUITE FAIR THAT, UM, ANDY COVERS FOUR PAGES AND I'M LEFT WITH THE OTHER 172. UH, IT SEEMS LIKE A BIT OF AN IMBALANCE, SO, UH, BUT WE'LL DO IT. WE'LL DO IT ANYWAY. WE'LL MAKE IT SHORT. UM, THANK YOU AGAIN. FRANK CRAWFORD WITH CRAWFORD AND ASSOCIATES. I THINK ANDY HAD MENTIONED, UH, WILL YOU KIND OF COME IN PRIOR TO THE AUDITORS TO GROUP EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO MAKE EVERYTHING IN THE RIGHT FORMAT, WORK WITH THE CITY TO PRODUCE THOSE 176 PAGES THAT YOU SEE THAT BECOME YOUR FINANCIALS. UM, UNLESS YOU'RE A VETERAN, CPA, THAT IS VERY WELL VERSED IN GOVERNMENT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT, YOU REALLY COULD READ IT UPSIDE DOWN ABOUT AS WELL AS YOU COULD READ IT RIGHT SIDE UP. IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED DOCUMENT THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE IN THIS FORMAT. IT'S REQUIRED TO LOOK COMPLICATED. AND UH, ALTHOUGH THERE IS A TON OF INFORMATION IN HERE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO LOOK WHERE YOU NEED TO SEE CERTAIN THINGS AND HOW THAT SHOULD BE INTERPRETED. AND SO FOR THE LAST, GOSH, 25 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN TRACKING WHAT I CALL THE CITY'S FINANCIAL HEALTH AND SUCCESS THROUGH THIS THING. UH, WE PRONOUNCE IT AS THE PERFORMER. UH, WE DO THIS FOR A HUNDRED PLUS GOVERNMENTS, PROBABLY ACROSS, NOT JUST OKLAHOMA, BUT THE US AND 11 INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENTS. UH, WHAT STARTED OUT AS A SMALL PROJECT JUST TO TRY TO SAY, HEY, IF SOMEONE WERE TO ASK US HOW ARE WE DOING ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, YOU KNOW, WITH 10 BEING EXCELLENT SHAPE AND ONE BEING KIND OF TERRIBLE, WHAT, WHERE ARE WE? AND EVERYBODY SEEMED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, EXCEPT I WOULD JUST MAKE UP A NUMBER BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF ANALYTICS TO BACK IT UP. SO 25 YEARS AGO I DECIDED THAT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T JUST GUESS AND THAT I OUGHT TO TRY TO PUT SOME ANALYTICS TO IT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT BORE THE PERFORMER. UM, I'M GONNA FLIP YOU TO PAGE FIVE. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING, BUT I'M GONNA FLIP YOU TO PAGE FIVE. MAYBE TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF OTHERS. WHAT THE PERFORMER REALLY IS DOING IS BASICALLY THAT SIMPLE. I AM PICKING ABOUT 17 OR SO FINANCIAL STATEMENT ELEMENTS OR RATIOS THAT WE BELIEVE ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN THE GOVERNMENTAL AND THE MUNICIPAL SECTOR. AND THEN WE SET BENCHMARKS FOR THEM OF WHAT WOULD BE A 10 AND WHAT WOULD BE A ZERO. AND THEN WE HAVE FORMULAS WHERE WE CAN TAKE THE RESULTS OF YOUR AUDITED FINANCIALS, PLUG THOSE INTO THOSE FORMULAS, AND LET THOSE INDIVIDUAL RATIOS PRODUCE A SCORE. THEN WE WEIGHT THOSE SCORES BECAUSE SOME RATIOS ARE KIND OF MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS. AND THEN WE GROUP IT ALL TOGETHER TO PRODUCE AN OVERALL SCORE THAT YOU SEE HERE ON PAGE FIVE. SO I GUESS I HAVE THE CLICKER, DON'T I? SO I COULD LITERALLY MAKE IT GO SOMEWHERE OR MAYBE I CAN'T, SO MAYBE I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THIS, BUT OH, SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING. IT JUST MOVED. WHERE SHOULD I POINT THIS? TRY THE CLICKER ONE MORE TIME. IF YOU COULD JUST ASK US TO. THERE WE GO. OH, THERE WE GO. THERE'S PAGE FIVE. UH, [01:50:01] PROBABLY THE EASIEST PAGE TO READ BECAUSE IT'S THE OVERALL SUMMARY PAGE. SO THREE WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. PRETTY SIMPLE. THERE'S USUALLY A, ON EVERY PAGE THERE'S A CHART OR A GRAPH OR A PICTURE PIE CHART, TABLE GRAPH, SOMETHING, UH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE'S USUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF WORDING. AND THEN IF YOU DON'T WANT TO EVEN MESS WITH THAT, YOU CAN GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER. AND THERE'S USUALLY A YELLOW, GREEN OR RED NUMBER. GREEN BEING GOOD, RED BEING NOT SO GOOD, AND YELLOW BEING KIND OF CAUTIONARY. AND SO SINCE I'VE BEEN TRACKING THIS FOR A WHILE AND I SAID I PROBABLY COULD TRACK THIS 25 YEARS, I'VE GOT 25 YEARS OF YOUR DATA, I JUST CAN'T GET 'EM ALL ON ONE PAGE WITHOUT EVERYBODY BEING ABLE TO SEE IT. SO I KIND OF LIMIT IT TO 10. AND YOU CAN KIND OF, UH, JUST ON THE PICTURE GRAPH KIND OF LOOK THAT PRIOR TO COD IN FISCAL 20, EDMOND HISTORICALLY LIVED IN THE HIGH SEVENS. IF YOU WOULD, UH, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT. TO GIVE YOU A BIT OF PER PERSPECTIVE THOUGH, LET ME UH, SAY THAT, UH, THERE ISN'T A GOVERNMENT THAT CAN SCORE A 10 ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD THAT PRODUCES A SCORE OF A 10. NOR IS THERE A GOVERNMENT THAT CAN PRODUCE A ZERO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD. ALTHOUGH MY ZERO IS BEING TESTED BY PUERTO RICO, UM, THEY ARE LESS THAN A ONE, WHICH IS THE ONLY GOVERNMENT I HAVE THAT'S ANY IN ANY KIND OF CONDITION. UH, RELATED TO THAT, UH, THE HIGHEST SCORE I'VE EVER SEEN IN 25 YEARS IS A 9.1. IT'S HAPPENED FOUR TIMES IN 25 YEARS. SO NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE A HIGH SEVEN IS A REALLY GOOD SCORE. I MEAN THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHERE EDMOND HAS HISTORICALLY LIVED. UH, WE ACTUALLY DIPPED INTO THE EIGHTS A LITTLE BIT RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF, UH, FISCAL 20. COVID HAD KIND OF HAPPENED RIGHT ABOUT IN MARCH AND EVERYBODY WAS STILL OF UNSURE WHAT WAS GOING ON. SO EVERYBODY KINDA LOCKED DOWN. WE STARTED BUYING LOCALLY, NO ONE TRAVELED ANYWHERE. SO ALL OF A SUDDEN SALES AND USED TAXES KIND OF KICKED UP AND PRODUCED A BETTER SCORE. WE ALSO, ABOUT THAT YEAR AND THE FOLLOWING COUPLE OF YEARS, RECEIVED A BUNCH OF FREE MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND WHEN I SAY FREE MONEY, I MEAN USUALLY MONEY THAT COMES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS A TON OF STRINGS ATTACHED TO IT. WE GOT A LOT OF MONEY THAT BASICALLY HAD THE WEAKEST STRINGS I'VE EVER SEEN, WHICH WAS LITERALLY JUST SPEND IT ON SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE, WHETHER IT'S INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S REIMBURSING YOUR SALARIES AND WAGES OF YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS. JUST SPEND IT ON SOMETHING GOVERNMENTAL. AND WE RARELY SEE MONEY LIKE THAT. AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENED IS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AS WE HAVE COME OUT OF COVI AND WE HAVE LOST THAT FREE MONEY, LOST IT BY SPENDING IT AND INVESTING IT IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND USING THAT MONEY, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE SCORES KIND OF COME DOWN. PEOPLE ARE NOW SPREAD OUT. THEY'RE BUYING MORE THINGS, NOT JUST LOCALLY, BUT NOW, UH, BACK TO THE NORMAL ECONOMY. AND SO SINCE SALES TAX IS ONE OF THE LIFE BLOODS OF WHAT WE DO HERE AS THE GOVERNMENT, WE'VE KIND OF FLATLINED A LITTLE BIT ON OUR SALES TAX. IN THE COVID YEARS, COVID WAS A BOON TO YOU AS FAR AS SALES AND USE TAX. WE WERE HAVING DOUBLED NEARLY DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASES, UH, AS WE'LL SEE ON A SLIDE HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. UH, THOSE DAYS ARE OVER, BUT THEY'RE NOT OVER JUST FOR YOU. THEY'RE OVER PRETTY MUCH FOR EVERYBODY. UH, THIS IS A TREND IN 2025 THAT I'M SEEING ACROSS THE STATE. EVERYBODY'S SCORE IS KIND OF DIPPING DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE COMING OFF THIS, WHAT I CALL A COVID HIGH WHERE WE'VE BEEN FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND WE ARE NOW AT ONE OF THE LOWEST SCORES THAT WE'VE HAD OVERALL A 6.7, STILL NOT A BAD SCORE, STILL WELL ABOVE SATISFACTORY, WHICH IS A FIVE. BUT WE TAKE THAT SCORE AND WE BREAK IT UP INTO THREE COMPONENTS. AND YOU CAN SEE THE THREE COMPONENTS RIGHT THERE ON PAGE FIVE. SINCE THIS IS A COMBINED REPORT OF HEALTH AND PERFORMANCE AND CAPABILITY, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS SUSTAINABILITY, WE CAN BREAK ALL OF THE RATIOS INTO THEIR COMPONENTS. SO I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT YOUR HEALTH SCORE LOOKS LIKE. I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT YOUR PERFORMANCE SCORE LOOKS LIKE, AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT YOUR SUSTAINABILITY OR CAPABILITY SCORE LOOKS LIKE. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE AT THE TOP RIGHT, UH, OF THAT PAGE. THE FINANCIAL POSITION IS WHAT I CALL THE HEALTH SCORE. THAT'S A SNAPSHOT OF JUNE 30TH, 2025. WHEN I LOOK AT JUNE 30TH, 2025, WHERE IS OUR FINANCIAL POSITION? WHERE'S OUR CASH? WHERE'S OUR INVESTMENTS? WHERE'S OUR STUFF? HOW MUCH OF THAT DO WE OWE TO OTHERS? MEASURING THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF THE GOVERNMENT? RIGHT NOW WE'RE SCORING A 4.4. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN SATISFACTORY AND IT'S NO SURPRISE, AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE OVER ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE FINANCIAL HEALTH SCORE HAS KIND OF DECREASED OVER A POINT IN TIME AND IT'S DECREASED BECAUSE WE'VE ATE SOME OF OUR POSITION AWAY. WE'VE [01:55:01] ATE SOME RESERVES, WE'VE SPENT MORE MONEY THAN WE'VE BROUGHT IN ON A FEW THINGS. AND NOW THE RESULTS OF THOSE THINGS ARE MAKING THOSE, THOSE PERFORMANCE OR THE, I'M SORRY, THOSE POSITION SCORES, UH, GO DOWNWARD. HOWEVER, PERFORMANCE WISE, WE HAD A GOOD 12 MONTHS FROM JULY 1ST, 2020, 24 TO JUNE 30TH, 2025. THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE METRICS PRODUCED IN 8.2, THAT'S GOOD. IT'S JUST NOT AS GOOD AS IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS. AND SO THE COMBINATION OF THOSE THINGS ARE KIND OF PRODUCING THAT DROP IN THE OVERALL SCORE. YOUR CAPABILITY DOESN'T CHANGE VERY OFTEN. IT'S HUNG AT ABOUT A 7.6 PROBABLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW ROW SIMPLY BECAUSE THOSE METRICS REQUIRE SOMETHING HUGE TO HAPPEN FOR THE SUSTAINABILITY. EITHER GO UP OR GO DOWN. YOU EITHER RAISE YOUR SALES TAX RATE BEYOND WHAT CITIZENS ARE WILLING TO PAY. YOUR CAPABILITY SCORE IS GONNA GO DOWN. YOU BORROW A BUNCH OF MONEY AGAINST YOUR 10% OF NET ASSESSED VALUE IN THE FORM OF A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND, YOUR CAPABILITY GOES DOWN. HOWEVER, YOU'LL TAKE THOSE PROCEEDS. IF YOU GET A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PASSED AND YOU'LL BUILD SOMETHING WITH IT, YOU'LL INVEST IT IN INFRASTRUCTURE OR PARKS OR SOMETHING ELSE. AND SO THAT WOULD AFFECT OTHER SCORES. SO THE DEBT ONE DOESN'T BUG ME BECAUSE USUALLY IF YOUR CAPABILITY SCORE'S GOING DOWN, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WITH THAT MONEY TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH OR THE PERFORMANCE SCORES. BUT THEY DON'T CHANGE VERY OFTEN UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES DRAMATICALLY AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE A TON OF CHANGES IN OUR CAPABILITY. AND SO THE SUM OF THOSE THINGS, AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE A MATH GUY LIKE I AM AND YOU SAID, WELL, I JUST ADDED 4.4 AND 8.2 AND 7.6 AND I DIVIDED BY THREE AND IT DIDN'T COME OUT TO 6.7, WELL REMEMBER THESE ARE WEIGHTED. SO NOT EVERY RATIO HAS THE SAME IMPORTANCE AS OTHERS. AND SO THAT'S THE OVERALL SCORE. IT IS AT ONE OF ITS LOWEST POINTS THAT WE'VE SEEN. BUT AS I FLIP YOU THROUGH A COUPLE OF PAGES, YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE, UH, WHY SOME OF THOSE SCORES ARE AT THEIR LOW. UH, I WILL AGAIN ATTEMPT TO MOVE OR IF NOT, I WILL JUST SAY, CAN SOMEBODY MOVE ME TO PAGE NINE? WOW, THAT WORKED EVEN BETTER. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT QUITE OFTEN. UH, WE CALL IT THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF THE GENERAL FUND. THINK OF THE GENERAL FUND AS AS ONE OF YOUR TWO BIG OPERATIONAL FUNDS. UH, YOU'VE RAL GOT SEVERAL OPERATIONAL FUNDS, I GROUP 'EM INTO UTILITIES OR EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY TYPE FUNDS. AND THEN I GROUP THE CITY SIDE. ON THE CITY SIDE WE USE THIS GENERAL FUND, WHICH WE'RE RUNNING MOST ALL OF OUR NORMAL EXPENDITURES THROUGH. YOU KNOW, WE RUN SOME OF OUR SALES TAX THROUGH THERE. WE'VE GOT DEDICATED SALES TAX THAT WE USE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND OTHER THINGS. WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR HERE AT THE END OF THE DAY IS WHAT'S LEFT OVER THAT WE HAVEN'T COMMITTED TO SOMETHING OR WE HAVEN'T CONSTRAINED OURSELVES. WE HAVEN'T RESTRICTED IT TO SOMETHING, WE HAVEN'T COMMITTED IT TO SOMETHING, WE HAVEN'T ASSIGNED IT TO SOMETHING. AND THEN WHAT'S LEFT OVER WHAT'S UNASSIGNED? AND I LIKE TO SEE THIS NUMBER AND IT'S NOT JUST ME, THE GFOA, THE AWARD CERTIFICATION GROUP. THEY KIND OF HAVE A INDUSTRY STANDARD THAT SAY WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE DROPPING BELOW 10% OF YOUR ANNUAL REVENUE OR EXPENDITURE STREAM. AND SO WE SAY, OKAY, WELL THAT'S AN EASY MEASUREMENT. LET'S LOOK AT TOTAL REVENUES AND LET'S MEASURE THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF THE GENERAL FUND. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, A 2% ISH, 2.4% FUND BALANCE LEFT OVER OR ABOUT A 1.9 MILLION. AND THIS FUND BALANCE ALSO DOESN'T JUST AFFECT THE GENERAL FUND. IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE OTHER FUNDS THAT HAVE NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE, NEGATIVE UNASSIGNED, THE GENERAL FUND KIND OF HAS TO COVER THAT UNTIL THAT NEGATIVE CAN CAN RE REPRODUCE. JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY TOO, FRANK, THIS IS AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2025, CORRECT? DO, DO YOU KNOW, WE ARE WELL INTO 20 26, 8 MONTHS IN. SO THIS SCORE IS BASED AT JUNE 30TH, 2025. SO WE STILL GOT EIGHT MONTHS OF PRODUCTION NOW OF WHERE THIS NUMBER'S GOING TO BE. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT NOW. WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HIGHER, WE'RE HOPING IT'S HIGHER. BUT YOU CAN KIND OF TELL HISTORICALLY IT HAS USUALLY LIVED HIGHER THAN WHERE IT'S AT. UM, THIS BASICALLY JUST MEANS THAT THE GENERAL FUND DOESN'T HAVE A TON OF CUSHION. SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM TO ABSORB SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD NOT ANTICIPATED. SO YOU HOPE THAT WHEN YOU DEVELOPED YOUR BUDGET, YOU PRETTY MUCH ANTICIPATED EVERYTHING BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T AND SOMEBODY COMES AND SAYS, HEY, WE NEED MORE MONEY NOW BECAUSE THIS DEPARTMENT OVER HERE HAS ALREADY CAME CLOSE TO OVERSPENDING, ITS TOTAL AND WE'RE ONLY IN APRIL, WHERE'S THAT GONNA COME FROM? MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S COMING FROM HERE, [02:00:01] BUT HERE DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO GIVE. AND SO THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SCORE WHERE WE DO ON THAT 4.4. AND SO JUST TO SHOW YOU, THERE'S PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN RATIOS THAT RELATE TO THE POSITION SCORE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 16, YOU ACTUALLY CAN KIND OF SEE A SUMMARY OF ALL THE DIFFERENT RATIOS. SOMEBODY CAN SWITCH THAT TO 16. THERE WE GO. THERE'S THOSE RATIOS WE JUST LOOKED AT ONE OF THEM ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF THE GENERAL FUND. AND I CAN PUT ABOUT FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS OF DATA USUALLY ON THAT SLIDE WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN, THAT'S FISCAL 25. YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, THERE'S THAT 4.4 THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE IT WAS LAST YEAR. WELL, IT WAS ONLY 4.5 THE YEAR BEFORE. THE YEAR BEFORE THAT IT WAS 5.3. REMEMBER HOW I SAID WHEN WE WERE FLUSH WITH CASH THAT WE HAD NOT SPENT YET, THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? OF COURSE WE LOOKED STRONGER FROM A FINANCIAL HEALTH STANDPOINT. UH, THE NEXT SECTION, UH, IS THE PERFORMANCE RATINGS. UM, HERE, LET ME PICK A COUPLE THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT. LET'S GO TO SLIDE 19, YOUR CHANGE IN NET POSITION. UH, BASICALLY NET POSITION IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EVERYTHING WE OWN, MINUS EVERYTHING WE OWE. AND WHEN I SAY EVERYTHING, I'M TALKING EVERYTHING. NOT JUST CASH AND RECEIVABLES AND INVESTMENTS, BUT WE'RE TALKING INFRASTRUCTURE, BUILDINGS, ROADS, BRIDGES, DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, MINUS ALL THE DEBT. AND THE KEY HERE IS THAT WE LIKE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THAT CHART CHOSE, THAT THE NET POSITION ENDS UP HIGHER THAN IT DID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. SO YOU COULD KIND OF SAY, DO WE HAVE MORE STUFF, LESS STUFF OR ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF STUFF AT THE END OF THE YEAR. AND HERE, OUR FINANCIAL POSITION, OUR STUFF CHANGED BECAUSE IT WENT UP. THAT'S WHY WE SCORE IN THE GREEN THERE. 7.9, EXTREMELY GOOD. UH, I'LL FLIP THE NEXT ONE TOO. ONE MORE SLIDE AND I'LL SHOW YOU A TERM THAT NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I'LL EXPLAIN IT. INTER PERIOD EQUITY, IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS INTERGENERATIONAL EQUITY. ALL THIS REALLY MEANS IS WHO'S PAYING FOR TODAY'S COST OF SERVICES? SO FOR EVERY $1 IN FEES AND TAXES, I'M, I AS A CITIZEN, AM PAYING IN, AM I GETTING A DOLLAR BACK OR AM I GETTING 80 CENTS BACK? OR FOR EVERY DOLLAR AM I PUTTING IN, AM I GETTING A DOLLAR 10 BACK? BECAUSE WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF I'M ONLY GETTING 80 CENTS BACK, I'M PUSHING OFF COST TO A FUTURE GENERATION. IF I'M GETTING A DOLLAR 10 BACK, IT MEANS SOMEBODY ELSE WHO GAVE MONEY IN PREVIOUS YEARS IS PROVIDING A SERVICE TO ME. HERE WE WANT TO BE ABOVE A HUNDRED PERCENT. THAT'S ALL I REALLY CARE ABOUT. AND SO AS YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, WE HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN ABOVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, WELL ABOVE A HUNDRED PERCENT BY THE TIME WE ADD EVERYTHING IN. SO OUR INTER PERIOD EQUITY, OUR INTERGENERATIONAL EQUITY IS GOOD. WE ARE GENERATING NOT ONLY, UH, WHEN A DOLLAR COMES IN IN FEES AND SERVICES, WE'RE ABLE TO PRODUCE A DOLLAR 20 BACK. AND AGAIN, HOW DO WE DO THAT? WELL, WE USE THAT DOLLAR THAT THEY BROUGHT US AND WE USE SOME MONEY THAT WE GOT IN PREVIOUS YEARS, IE THOSE CARRYOVERS THAT THEN GO DOWN AND REFLECT ON THE OTHER SCORES. SO IT'S REALLY NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, BUT KIND OF MAKES A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. OKAY, ONE MORE AND THEN I'LL GET OUT OF THE PERFORMANCE. LET'S DO ONE MORE SLIDE. THE BUSINESS TYPE SELF-SUFFICIENCY. HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE GENERAL FUND EQUIVALENT, UH, ONLY ON THE PUBLIC WORK SIDE HERE, SINCE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES, WATER, SEWER, SANITATION, GOLF, WE'RE RUNNING A BUSINESS BASICALLY. SO IF YOU AND I ARE RUNNING A BUSINESS FOR EVERY $1 THAT IT COSTS US TO PROVIDE A SERVICE, WE WOULD LIKE TO CHARGE LIKE AT LEAST A DOLLAR, RIGHT? THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. WE WOULD AT LEAST BREAK EVEN. WE WANT TO COVER ALL OF OUR COSTS OF OPERATIONS, INCLUDING FUTURE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE ITEMS BY FACTORING IN DEPRECIATION. SO AS YOU LOOK HERE, WHEN WE ADD ALL THE BUSINESS TYPE ACTIVITIES TOGETHER, WE WANT TO BE AGAIN, ABOVE A HUNDRED PERCENT. AND WE HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE LAST 10 YEARS, FLOATING ANYWHERE FROM 128% TO 116% ALL GOOD. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SCORING A 10 IN THAT BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER. BUT THAT'S WHAT BTA MEANS. IT MEANS BUSINESS TYPE ACTIVITY, THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'RE IN BUSINESS TO DO THAT WE PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR. AND SO THOSE ARE MOSTLY ALL WITHIN THE EDMUND PUBLIC'S WORKS AUTHORITY. BUT GOLF COURSE, WHETHER [02:05:01] THAT'S PART OF THE AUTHORITY OR NOT, DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. THAT'S A BUSINESS TYPE ACTIVITY ALSO. SO WITH THAT, LET ME FLIP YOU TO THE SUMMARY OF THOSE RATIOS, WHICH IS ON SLIDE 24. AND THEN YOU KIND OF SEE THE FIVE, FOUR OR FIVE RATIOS THAT MAKE UP A PERFORMANCE. AND THEN YOU GO TO THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN AND YOU SAY, OKAY, I SEE THOSE. UH, BOTTOM THING 8.17, THERE'S YOUR 8.2 KIND OF JUST ROUNDED UP. 'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO USE TWO DIGITS ON THOSE PAGES, BUT NOTICE WHERE THE PERFORMANCES WERE IN THE COVID YEARS POST COVID YEARS. 8.42, 9.9, 9.5, 9.4. WHY WERE WE PERFORMING? SO WELL, REMEMBER WE WERE LOCKED DOWN. PEOPLE WERE BUYING HERE, SALES TAX WAS GOING UP, THINGS WERE LOOKING ROSY. WE HAD A LOT OF FREE MONEY. THAT'S WHY. AND NOW ALL OF THAT'S KIND OF COMING BACK TO NORMAL. LAST, UM, SET OF SLIDES, I'M ACTUALLY JUST GONNA TAKE YOU TO THE END OF IT, WHICH IS AT SLIDE 33 WHERE AGAIN, I COULD GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE, BUT I'M GONNA EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY YOU'RE STILL HOVERING AROUND THOSE UPPER MID SEVENS. IT'S BASICALLY BE BECAUSE WE CONTROL SOME OF OUR REVENUE, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL OVER OUR UTILITY SIDE, YOU GUYS, AS THE PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY TRUSTEES CAN DETERMINE WHEN RATES NEED TO BE ALTERED IN ORDER TO COVER COSTS. HOWEVER, WHEN THE CITY SIDE CAN'T COVER ITS COSTS, CAN YOU JUST GO RAISE THE SALES TAX RATE BY A VOTE OF YOUR COUNCIL? NO, OF COURSE NOT. YOU GOTTA GO TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE. THAT'S WHY THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE SALES TAXES, UH, CHANGED. WE ACTUALLY HAD A CHANGE, IF WE BACK UP ONE SLIDE, I'LL SHOW YOU THE LOCAL SALES TAX RATE, UM, WHERE IT CHANGED FOR A LITTLE BIT DURING, UH, THAT THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD. AND IF YOU GO ACTUALLY LOOK AT SLIDE A COUPLE MORE BACKWARDS, SORRY. OH GOODNESS. OUR, OUR, I'M LOOKING FOR THE SLIDE ON SALES TAX PERFORMANCE, BUT I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE BACK SECTION OR IN THE, UH, SECTION WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. SO I'M GONNA PULL IT. SALES TAX GROWTH, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO 23. NOTICE THAT CHART ON THE LEFT. IT LOOKS GREAT, RIGHT? SALES TAX GOING UP, USE TAX GOING UP AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NOT GOING UP SO MUCH. THIS MEASURES THE PER PENNY SALES TAX. AND SO OF COURSE WHEN WE ALTERED THAT SALES TAX TO A 4% RATE FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, IT ACTUALLY CROSSED TWO FISCAL YEARS. NORMALLY OUR RATE IS 3.75. IT WENT TO 4%, IT CROSSED TWO FISCAL YEARS. SO IT KIND OF MESSED UP THE EQUATION. WE HAD ACTUALLY MORE SALES TAX PER PENNY, BUT LESS SALES TAX OVERALL BECAUSE WE HAD LESS PENNIES FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR OF 2025. AND SO THAT SCORE, AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IS IN THE YELLOW. THAT'S NOT GREAT. UM, THAT'S A, A CAUTIONARY ISSUE THAT WE WISH WE CAN CORRECT, BUT AGAIN, OUT OF OUR CONTROL. AND, UH, AND SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE JUST DON'T HAVE A TON OF CONTROL OVER. SO BACK TO THAT SLIDE 33 WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, CAPABILITY. NOTICE THOSE BOTTOM SCORES ON 33 DON'T CHANGE VERY OFTEN BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY CHANGED THINGS VERY OFTEN. JUST A COUPLE. UH, LITERALLY ALL THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALMOST THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THAT 4% THAT WENT UP A QUARTER PENNY FOR THOSE COUPLE OF YEARS. AND THEN RIGHT BACK DOWN. SO WE'RE, WE STILL HAVE A TON OF OUR GENERAL BOND CAPACITY AVAILABLE TO US. AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THIS 'CAUSE YOU JUST WENT OUT FOR A VOTE A YEAR OR SO AGO, UH, ON A GEO BOND. BUT THAT'S A LOT OF CAPACITY THAT YOU'VE GOT AVAILABLE TO YOU THAT IF YOU CAN PACKAGE A DEAL OR SOME ELEMENTS OF A DEAL, UM, THAT WILL ALLOW YOU, IF YOU CAN GET THE CITIZENS TO VOTE FOR IT, THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO, UH, HAVE ACCESS TO A STREAM OF REVENUE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS PROPERTY TAX. RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T GET A A DOLLAR OF PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LEVYING A PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY GEO BOND DEBT. IF YOU HAD SOME, IT WOULD OPEN UP THAT, UH, STREAM OF REVENUE, BUT JUST ENOUGH THAT WE COULD THEN RETIRE THE DEBT NOT TO USE FOR OPERATIONS BECAUSE WE AS MUNICIPALITIES IN OKLAHOMA ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT, WHICH IS VERY, VERY UNIQUE TO OKLAHOMA MUNICIPALITIES. SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST KIND OF TRACKING THIS. UH, I KIND OF WAIT TILL THE AUDIT COMES OUT THAT WAY. I KNOW I'M USING VERIFIED NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, IF ANDY'S OPINION CAME BACK AND SAID, OH GOSH, THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE NOT VERY GOOD, THEY'RE NOT CLEAN, THEN THIS ANALYSIS WOULDN'T BE CLEAN BECAUSE I'D BE USING THE VERY NUMBERS HE SAID NOT TO RELY ON IN ORDER TO CALCULATE THESE RATIOS. [02:10:01] THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENS HERE. THAT'S WHY WE WAIT FOR THE AUDIT TO PRODUCE THIS DOCUMENT. BUT AS WE SAID, THIS THING WAS READY LATE DECEMBER, UH, AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS OVER THIS DOCUMENT WITH BOTH, UH, SOME CITIZENS AND THE FINANCE AND BUDGET COMMITTEE AND A COUPLE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. SO THIS IS JUST THE TIME THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER TO, TO DO A PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. SO WITH THAT, I'LL FINALLY STOP TALKING AND LET YOU ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUPLE COMMENTS. THANKS FRANK. UM, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT DOCUMENT. THIS IS THE SO WHAT BEHIND THE AUDIT REPORT. OKAY. SO AS WE COUNSEL AND AS WE FINANCE COMMITTEE, 'CAUSE I SIT ON BOTH OUR LOOKING AT POLICY DECISIONS ABOUT FINANCIALS. THIS IS WHERE I GO FIRST. UM, AND IT'S A SUMMARY BENCHMARKED AGAINST PEER CITIES OF OUR, OUR AUDIT RESULTS. UM, SO REALLY IMPORTANT AND SOMETHING THAT I GO TO OFTEN, UM, AND INFORMS YEAH, DECISIONS WE AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MAKE THE DATA IS FROM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, FROM JULY 24 TO JUNE OF 25 BECAUSE OF HOW THINGS LAG IN IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT. UM, SO JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, I'M, I'M TRYING TO NEXT YEAR FIND A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE AN END CYCLE MEASUREMENT ON THIS. AT WORK WE CALL THESE LAGGING INDICATORS BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING BACKWARDS, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO MOVE US TOWARDS IS MORE OF A LEADING INDICATOR THAT CAN INFORM OR REUSE MORE CURRENT DATA TO INFORM CURRENT DECISIONS RATHER THAN DATA FROM 18 MONTHS AGO TO INFORM NEXT YEAR'S DECISIONS. AND SO, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON DOING THAT. I HOPE WE HAVE SOMETHING THIS COMING YEAR IN PLACE WHERE WE CAN MEASURE THIS AT LEAST IN PART, UM, ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR QUARTERLY BASIS. UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESULTS HERE. AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OLD DATA AND WE'RE MAKING SOME POLICY DECISIONS WITH THE BUDGET THAT SHOULD MOVE US FORWARD HERE, SPECIFICALLY THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES. BUT, UM, A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL. MY, MY BIGGEST TAKEAWAY FROM THIS YEAR'S FROM THIS DATA IS IF SALES TAX STARTS GOING UP AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL WHAT WE DO WITH THOSE DOLLARS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND AS A COUNCIL IS THAT WE DON'T JUST, JUST LET IT GO TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ANYBODY WANTS TO DO. UM, BUT THAT WE'RE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHERE WE PUT THOSE DOLLARS IF WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN REVENUE. SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THANKS FRANK. ANYONE ELSE? MR. CRAWFORD? UH, 6.7 FY 25. OVERALL RATING. YOU'VE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, BUT I WANNA HEAR AGAIN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT NUMBER VERSUS OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN VARIOUS STATES AS WELL AS OKLAHOMA. SURE. TELL US WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. UM, WE ARE PROBABLY RIGHT NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK COMPARED TO WHAT MOST GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE US THAT WE MEASURE AND IN OKLAHOMA TO, SO THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK, 6.7, WHAT'S THAT MEANS? DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A 10? NO. DO YOU HAVE A NINE? NO. DO YOU HAVE AN EIGHT? UH, MAYBE AN 8.1. AND THEN I'VE GOT SOME FOURS AND I GOT SEVERAL FIVES AND LOW SIXES. SO IF YOU ROUND UP THAT'S A SEVEN. YEP. YEAH, I, MOST EVERYBODY IS LIVING RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST OKLAHOMA WISE. MOST EVERYBODY IS LIVING IN THE SIX, SEVEN RANGE. SO YOU'RE KIND OF JUST RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT IN YOUR TRAVELS AND YOU DO THIS MM-HMM . ALL OVER AND OFTEN. MM-HMM . WHAT'S THE SOLUTION TO GET TO EIGHT BESIDES RAISING SALES TAX? THE, THE, THE TRICK TO THE DON'T TALK ABOUT BONDS, THE TRICK TO THE PERFORMER. YOU WANNA SCORE BETTER ON THIS? I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT. TELL ME, BRING IN $50 MILLION AND DON'T SPEND ANY OF IT. NOW TELL ME SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE. . THAT'S RIGHT. BRING IN 50, UH, USE SOME OF IT TO INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT DON'T SPEND 50, SPEND 45, SOCK THAT OTHER 5 MILLION. BUILD YOUR RESERVES BACK UP AND THEN YOU'LL START SCORING BETTER ON SOME OF THESE RATIOS. OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT A REAL NUMBER. 25 MILLION. OKAY. FIFTY'S, NOT REALISTIC. 25 MILLION. BRING 25 SPEND 22. THAT'S THE KEY HERE. IF YOU CONTINUE TO SPEND MORE MONEY THAN YOU BRING IN, THESE SCORES WILL GO NOWHERE BUT DOWN. YEAH. WE'RE GETTING A HANDLE ON THAT. SO, SO BESIDES THE 25 MILLION AND SAVE FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN, WHATEVER YOU CAN SOMETHING ELSE. GIMME SOMETHING ELSE YOU'VE SEEN AROUND THE COUNTRY, AROUND IN, IN INVEST IN, INVEST IN YOURSELVES, INVEST IN YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE CONTROL, YOUR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES. SO WHEN YOU [02:15:01] SAY THAT, YOU SAID EARLIER THAT YOU, YOU COUNT ROADS AND YES. WATER AND ELECTRICITY AND ALL OF THESE THINGS TO GO INTO A BUCKET TO BUILD YOUR MOUNTAIN OF ASSETS. CORRECT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, OR YOUR COMPANY KNOWS WHAT A MILE OF ROAD IS WORTH IN TERMS OF AN ASSET. IT DOES. AND WE HAVE ALL THAT. YES. AND ALL OF THOSE ARE LOSING VALUE EVERY YEAR. AND THE KEY IS THAT, SO THEY'RE LOSING, LOSING ASSET. WE REINVEST AS MUCH AS THE DEPRECIATION OF THOSE THINGS ARE COMING DOWN. IN OTHER WORDS, IF OUR DEPRECIATION, THE VALUE OF OUR ROADS AND BUILDINGS AND DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, WE'RE STARTING APRIL ONE AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE INVESTING IN ROADS SURE. AND OVER FIFTH. THAT'S RIGHT. AND, BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO INVEST A TON OF MONEY. YOU DON'T HOW MUCH A ROAD, A MILE OF ROAD COSTS. SO THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO INVEST. AND SO THAT'S AN INVESTMENT THOUGH IN YOURSELF BECAUSE THAT'S A LONG LIVE ASSET AND THAT'S GONNA PRODUCE A BETTER SCORE ON ONE OF THESE RATIOS BECAUSE YOU'RE RAISING THE REMAINING LIFE OF THE ASSETS BY, BY BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE OR HAVING NEWER INFRASTRUCTURE. YES. SO THAT'S GONNA PRODUCE ONE SCORE. DO YOU EVER DO A SCORE FOR PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN CITIES? YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO, UH, INCORPORATE A KIND OF A QUALITY OF LIFE FACTOR, UH, OR A PUBLIC TRUST, PUBLIC CONFIDENCE. YEAH. BUT WE'VE JUST NOT EVER REALLY BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE COULD QUANTIFY. SO WE'VE NEVER REALLY TRIED, WE'VE NEVER REALLY WORKED IT INTO THIS SCORE. TRY AGAIN, WOULD YOU? UM, SURE. I I I MEAN I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE, THE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE SCALE, IF I WERE TO SOMEHOW SURVEY IT OR COME UP WITH SOME ESTIMATE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT SCORE. I MEAN, I JUST, I KNOW EDMOND, I I DON'T WANT YOU TO GO AWAY FROM THIS MEETING THINKING THAT EDMOND IS NOT A WELL RUN CITY FINANCIALLY. I'M NOT THINKING THAT. I JUST 'CAUSE IT. IT IS, YEAH. BUT EVERYBODY'S GOT A DIFFERENT QUALITY OF LIFE AND I'VE GOT SOME INTERNATIONAL GOVERNMENTS THAT SCORE 8.8 ON THIS SCALE. BUT IF, UH, I TOOK YOU OUT THERE, YOU WOULD SAY, I COULD STAY HERE A COUPLE OF DAYS, BUT THERE'S NO WAY I'M LIVING HERE. WELL, YEAH, I MEAN SINCE SCORE IS NOT, THE SCORE IS JUST WHAT IT IS FROM A FINANCIAL HEALTH AND SUCCESS STANDPOINT. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANT TO LIVE THERE OR, OR WHY YOU LIVE THERE OR DO YOU WANT TO LIVE THERE. BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THE BETTER OFF FINANCIALLY THE SCORE IS, SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. LOW TAX RATES, LOW DEBT RATES, NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, GOOD ROADS, THAT'S WHAT PRODUCES A QUALITY OF LIFE SCORE. THANK YOU, BILL. YOU BET. SINCE COUNCILMAN'S TAKEN US DOWN THAT ROAD, LET ME, LET ME DRIVE YOU A LITTLE FURTHER OUT ON THAT LIMB, FRANK. ALRIGHT. CITY THIS SIZE, TOTAL SALES, TAX REVENUE, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT. YEAH. INCREASE THAT BY 50 MILLION. ABOUT 30 MILLION. SO ARE THOSE THINGS POSSIBLE IN YOUR MIND ON A RELATIVELY SHORT TERM BASIS WITHOUT AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE STREAM? PROBABLY NOT. THANK YOU. I MEAN, WHEN I USED 50 MILLION, 30 MILLION, 25 MILLION, I WAS PICKING A NUMBER. I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A NUMBER IN MIND. THAT'S, BUT IF YOU WANT TO INCREASE SALES AND USE TAX, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A MARKETING EFFORT. YOU HAVE GOT TO GET PEOPLE HERE. THERE'S A MARKETING EFFORT TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY LOCAL. AND THERE'S A HOUSING EFFORT TO GET PEOPLE TO BUILD HOMES HERE SO THAT THOSE PEOPLE BUILD A HOME, ALSO BUY LOCAL, AND THEN THEY BECOME CUSTOMERS OF OUR, OF OUR UTILITY SYSTEM, WHICH ALSO PRODUCES REVENUE. SO THERE'S A, A CYCLE OF THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR, BUT WITH EVERY CYCLE OF REVENUE STREAM INCREASE COMES COST, BECAUSE NOW WE'VE GOTTA PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY TO THAT AREA. WE'VE GOTTA PROVIDE CULTURE AND RECREATION TO THAT AREA. SO THAT'S THE BALANCE, THAT'S THE TOUGH THING THAT YOU HAVE TO, TO BALANCE. AND IT'S BEEN BALANCED RELATIVELY WELL HERE. IT'S JUST WE'RE IN A POINT NOW WHERE CERTAIN THINGS HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT WE NOW HAVE TO TRY TO MAKE A POINT TO RECOVER FROM. AND AGAIN, YOU'RE IN SAME BOAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS. MY BOAT'S A LITTLE BETTER, EXCEPT YOUR BOAT'S A LITTLE BETTER. . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU, MR. CRAWFORD. UH, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING UP WITH ME, . THANKS AGAIN. MOVING ON. ITEM 11 [G. Presentation and Discussion of Building Code Effectiveness Grading Schedule (BCEGS), and Public Protection Classification (PPC) as an ISO (Insurance Services Office) Program. (Citywide)] G PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION OF BUILDING CODE EFFECTIVENESS, GRADING SCHEDULE, AND PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASSIFICATION AS AN INSURANCE SERVICES OFFICE PROGRAM. [02:20:01] GOOD EVENING. KIRSTEN WEDDINGTON, THE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING AND SAFETY. WE HAVE ASKED CHRISTOPHER MILLER TO COME OUT TONIGHT. HE IS FROM VERISK. THEY DO OUR ISO RATING. UM, AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, THAT GETS DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO. IT'S AN EVALUATION OF HOW PREPARED, READY, UM, EQUIPPED HOW WE MANAGE OUR DEPARTMENTS FOR, UM, THE B SEGS IS BUILDING CODE EFFECTIVENESS, GRADING SCALE, SO HOW CURRENT OUR BUILDING CODES ARE, HOW MANY INSPECTIONS WE HAVE PER INSPECTOR, HOW QUALIFIED OUR INSPECTORS ARE, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THEN THE PPC IS PUBLIC PROTECTION, PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASSIFICATION. AND THAT'S HOW WELL THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS RUN, HOW FAR THEY ARE, HOW THEIR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS IN PLACE, HOW OUR EMERGENCY DISPATCH WORKS, ALL OF THAT TIED TOGETHER. AND SO WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO COME HERE TODAY, GIVE YOU A 30,000 FOOT PERSPECTIVE, GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING SO THAT WHEN WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE FUTURE, IF I FOUR YEARS FROM NOW COME IN AND GO, HEY, I'VE GOT WAY TOO MANY INSPECTIONS FOR AN INSPECTOR. THIS IS WHAT THAT NUMBER IS BASED OFF. JUST TO KINDA GIVE THOSE GENERAL EXAMPLES SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING AND KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM WHEN WE COME UP AND SAY TO HELP MEET ISO RATINGS. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTOPHER MILLER. HE FLEW ALL THE WAY IN FROM LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN A HANGOUT WITH US THIS EVENING. SO I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, GOOD EVENING. UH, AGAIN, AS SAID, UH, MY NAME'S CHRISTOPHER MILLER. UH, I AM THE LEAD TECHNICAL COORDINATOR FOR THE B SEGS PROGRAM AT VERIS ANALYTICS. UM, YOU'LL NOTICE IT SAYS VERIS ISO AT THE LOCAL BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT LEVEL. THAT'S MORE OF OUR LEGACY NAME. UM, ISO IS, UH, FITS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF VERIS ANALYTICS, SO I MAY USE THOSE TWO NAMES INTERCHANGEABLY. UH, BUT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE SAME ORGANIZATION. I'M GONNA TAKE A STAB TO SEE IF THIS IS GONNA WORK, AND IT DOES NOT. IF WE CAN, UH, ADVANCE AND PLEASE GO AHEAD IN ADVANCE TO THE NEXT ONE. THANK YOU. UH, I'M GONNA START BY SPEAKING ABOUT THE BUILDING CODE EFFECTIVENESS GRADING SCHEDULE. THAT'S A MOUTHFUL. SO WE SHORTEN IT TO B SEGS. UH, AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM. WE'LL START IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE ORIGIN. UH, THE ORIGIN OF THE PROGRAM IS FROM A COUPLE OF HIGH LOSS EVENTS IN THE EARLY MID NINETIES, UH, PRIMARILY HURRICANE ANDREW IN FLORIDA AND THE NORTHRIDGE EARTHQUAKE IN 1994 IN CALIFORNIA. UH, THOSE AT THE TIME WERE THE TWO, UH, MOST, UH, SIGNIFICANT LOSS EVENTS IN THE COUNTRY'S HISTORY. THAT, AND THEY ACTUALLY HELD UNTIL HURRICANE KATRINA. UH, SO THE INSURANCE LOSSES FOR BOTH OF THOSE, UH, WERE QUITE HIGH. UH, AND IN THE AFTERMATH OF BOTH OF THOSE EVENTS, WHAT WAS FOUND OUT WAS THAT A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITIES THAT SUFFERED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE, THEY HAD BUILDING CODES ON THE BOOKS. THEY HAD ADOPTED BUILDING CODES, BUT THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAD MORE RIGOROUS ENFORCEMENT OF THOSE CODES, UH, HAD BETTER LOSS EXPERIENCE. UH, AFTER HURRICANE ANDREWS, SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, YOU'D SEE THE PICTURES. THERE WOULD BE ONE AREA OR ONE COMMUNITY THAT HAD SIGNIFICANT DEVASTATION, AND THEN A NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY EXPERIENCING THE SAME EVENT. THEY HAD DAMAGE, THEY HAD LAW PROPERTY LOSS, BUT THERE WERE STILL SOME BUILDINGS STANDING. THERE WERE BUILDINGS THAT WERE REPAIRABLE, ET CETERA. AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE THOSE COMMUNITIES HAD MORE RIGOROUS ENFORCEMENT OF THE BUILDING CODES. UH, SO THE INSURERS, UH, TOOK NOTICE OF THIS. AND WE HAD A TRACK RECORD WITH THEM FROM OUR PUBLIC PROTECTION PROGRAM, WHICH I'LL SPEAK ABOUT IN A COUPLE MINUTES. UH, WHICH HAD BEEN AROUND IN VARIOUS INCARNATIONS SINCE THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, UH, LOOKING AT FIRE SUPPRESSION EFFORTS IN A COMMUNITY. SO THE INSURERS APPROACHED US AND SAID, CAN YOU DEVELOP A SIMILAR PROGRAM AND METRIC FOR US, UH, RELATED TO BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT? UH, THIS WAS, WE WENT LIVE IN 1995. UH, THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST SURVEYS IN OKLAHOMA, I LOOKED THIS UP, BEGAN IN AUGUST OF 2000. UH, IT WAS A PHASED ROLLOUT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. UM, SO, AND FROM WHAT I COULD TELL, THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS PARTICIPATED ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FIRST TIME WE, UH, APPROACHED THE CITY FOR A SURVEY. UM, SO THE PROGRAM WAS MODELED AFTER THE PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASS PROGRAM. UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENCES, AND I'LL POINT OUT A COUPLE AS WE WE GO ALONG. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS WAS A COOPERATIVE EFFORT. WE DIDN'T JUST SIT IN OUR OFFICES AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP THIS PLAN AND THIS IS HOW IT'S GONNA BE. UH, IT WAS A COLLABORATION WITH US, THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. UH, WE HAD THE INVOLVEMENT OF UP TO 1500 BUILDING OFFICIALS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. UM, AND [02:25:01] THEN ALSO THE, UH, CODE COUNCILS AND THE PROMULGATORS OF THE CODES THEMSELVES. SO IT REALLY WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT THAT DEVELOPED THIS PROGRAM. SO WHAT IS THE B SEGS PROGRAM? IN A NUTSHELL? WE ASSESS A COMMUNITY'S ADOPTED CODES, PRIMARILY THE BUILDING CODE AND ALSO THE RESOURCES THAT ARE BROUGHT TO BEAR FOR THE ENFORCEMENT OF THOSE CODES. AND THAT IS THE UNIQUE ASPECT OF OUR PROGRAM. UH, NOWADAYS WITH THE INTERNET, YOU CAN GO TO ALMOST ANY COMMUNITY AND FIND OUT WHAT CODES ARE ADOPTED, BUT WE ARE UNIQUE IN THAT WE LOOK AT THIS ENFORCEMENT PIECE, UH, AND, UH, REALLY SHOW THAT THE RIGOR THAT A, EXCUSE ME, A CODE ON THE BOOKS IS NOT ENOUGH. UH, IT'S, I LIKEN IT TO HAVING A SPEED LIMIT. IT, YOU KNOW, IF FOLKS DRIVING ON A STREET DON'T AT LEAST THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ENFORCING A SPEED LIMIT, HOW EFFECTIVE IS THAT SPEED LIMIT? AND IT'S A SIMILAR THING WITH THE CODE. HAVING A CODE ON THE BOOKS THAT IS NOT ENFORCED, UH, IS NOT HELPFUL, AND IT DOESN'T PRODUCE SAFE BUILDINGS. UM, IT IS A FILED RATING PROGRAM. UH, WE ARE REGULATED BY EACH STATE'S DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE. UH, WE ARE FILED IN ALL 50 STATES, UH, OBVIOUSLY INCLUDING OKLAHOMA. IT IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, AND NOWHERE IN THE COUNTRY IS IN COMPULSORY, UH, THAT A COMMUNITY HAS TO PARTICIPATE. AND THAT IS TRUE OF ANY OF OUR PROGRAMS. SO THE OBJECTIVES OF THE PROGRAM ARE IMPROVED ENFORCEMENT OF BUILDING CODES, BETTER CATASTROPHE RESISTANT BUILDINGS, AND HELP REDUCE INSURANCE LOSSES. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT WE ALSO TO HELP PROMOTE AND ELEVATE THE STATUS OF BUILDING DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS THE CITY OF EDMONDS BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH THE WORK THAT THEY DO TO HELP ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH ENSURING THAT, UH, THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED IN YOUR COMMUNITY ARE RESILIENT AND SAFE. UH, THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THANK YOU. UH, A COUPLE OTHER, UH, ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM. UH, WE DEVELOP TWO CLASSIFICATIONS FOR EACH COMMUNITY. WE DEVELOP ONE THAT APPLIES TO ONE AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND THE SECOND ONE APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES. IT IS APPLIED AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL. AND THEN ANY BUILDING THAT RECEIVES A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY DURING THE PERIOD WITH WHICH IN WHICH THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS ARE, UH, ARE CURRENT, THEN THAT'S THE CLASSIFICATION THAT GETS ATTACHED TO THAT BUILDING. UH, WE DO ANY TYPE OF GOVERNMENT JURISDICTION, CITIES, TOWNS, COUNTIES, UH, IN SOME PLACES WE ACTUALLY SURVEY THE STATE IF THE, IF THERE'S A STATEWIDE DEPARTMENT, WE ALSO SURVEY THIRD PARTY AGENCIES, PRIVATE AGENCIES, PROVIDING CODE ENFORCEMENT SERVICES TO COMMUNITIES. IN THOSE CASES, THE, WE DON'T PUBLISH THE, THE CLASSIFICATIONS AREN'T PUBLISHED FOR THE AGENCY THEMSELVES. IT'S PUBLISHED FOR THE COMMUNITIES THAT THE AGENCY, UH, SERVICES. UH, THE AGGREGATED CLASSIFICATIONS ARE ONE TO 10. SO 10 IS THE DEPARTMENT MET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SCHEDULE A ONE IS EXEMPLARY PERFORMANCE IN OUR PROGRAM. UH, SO A ONE IS A MORE FAVORABLE CLASSIFICATION THAN A CLASS 10. IN B SEGS, WE ALSO HAVE A CLASS 99. I WILL GO RIGHT NOW AND SAY, THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO THE CITY OF EDMOND, UH, BUT A 99 IS A CATCHALL THAT TELLS AN INSURER THAT FOR A PARTICULAR, ONE OF SEVERAL PARTICULAR REASONS THAT WE COULD NOT DEVELOP A CLASS ONE TO 10 FOR THAT COMMUNITY. IT COULD BE THE COMMUNITY DECLINED TO PARTICIPATE. IT COULD BE THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT. UH, AND IT COULD BE THAT THE COMMUNITY DOES HAVE A DEPARTMENT AND ENFORCE BUILDING CODES, BUT DID NOT MEET ONE OF SEVERAL MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR A CLASS ONE TO 10. AGAIN, THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE CITY OF EDMOND. IT'S A CYCL CYCLICAL UPDATE. UH, WE ATTEMPT TO RESURVEY EVERY COMMUNITY ROUGHLY EVERY FIVE YEARS. UH, THE LAST SURVEY WE DID FOR EDMOND WAS IN 2021. UM, HOWEVER, IF, IF WE, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY THE END OF THIS YEAR COMES IN FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE DID NOT DO A SURVEY ON EDMOND, WHETHER IT WAS A SCHEDULING ISSUE OR WORKLOAD ISSUE, ET CETERA. YOUR CURRENT CLASSIFICATIONS WOULD JUST ROLL FORWARD. THEY DON'T EXPIRE. UM, SO THERE'S NO DANGER THERE. UM, WE DO HAVE NATIONWIDE COVERAGE. UH, EACH COMMUNITY DOES HAVE ITS OWN CLASSIFICATION. UM, THE BUREAU STATES THAT I LIST THERE, UH, I MENTIONED THAT WERE FILED IN ALL 50 STATES. THERE WERE FIVE STATES THAT WHEN WE FILED, THEY RETAINED THEIR OWN, UH, UH, RATINGS BUREAUS. UH, SO WE DO NOT ADMINIS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUR PROGRAM, WE DO NOT ADMINISTER THE PROGRAMS IN THOSE STATES. AGAIN, JUST INFORMATION, [02:30:01] IT DOES NOT APPLY FOR OKLAHOMA. IF YOU CAN ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN THE PROGRAM, WE HAVE CLASSIFICATIONS COVERING APPROXIMATELY 18,000 UNIQUE DEPARTMENTS PROTECTING OVER 22,000 COMMUNITIES. A DEPARTMENT, WHETHER IT'S A GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT OR A THIRD PARTY, CAN, UH, COVER MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES. SO WE HAVE EXCELLENT COVERAGE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS A HIGH OVERVIEW OF OUR SCHEDULE. SO WHEN I SAY SCHEDULE, THAT IS THE INSURANCE DOCUMENT THAT GETS FILED, UH, WITH EACH STATE'S DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE THAT ALLOWS US TO DO OUR PROGRAM. UH, IT'S A HUNDRED POINT SCHEDULE. EVERY DEPARTMENT BEGINS AT ZERO AND BUILDS UP FROM THERE. UH, AND IT'S DIVIDED INTO THREE SECTIONS. THE LARGEST SECTION POINT WISE IS THE FIRST ONE, ADMINISTRATION OF CODES. IT'S 54% OF THE SCHEDULE. UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THOSE BULLET POINTS, BUT THE MAIN, THE HEAVY HITTERS IN THIS, UH, SECTION WOULD BE THE CODE ADOPTION. UH, PRIMARILY THE BUILDING CODE. BUT WE LOOK AT SOME OTHER, WHAT WE CALL SUB CODES. UH, SO THAT'D BE LIKE ELECTRICAL CODE, PLUMBING CODE, FUEL, GAS, ET CETERA. UH, SO WE LOOK AT THE CODE ADOPTION. UH, WE LOOK AT TRAINING OF STAFF. WE LOOK AT THE CERTIFICATION OF STAFF. WE LOOK AT THE EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE OF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. WE LOOK AT SOME, UH, ZONING AND LAND USE PROVISIONS, UH, AND, UH, APPEALS PROCESS, WHETHER IT'S A LOCAL APPEALS PROCESS OR A STATE LEVEL. UM, BUT ALL THESE ITEMS TOGETHER DEVELOP, DEVELOP 54% OF THE SCHEDULE. THE REMAINING TWO ARE EQUALLY SPLIT, UH, THE REMAINING 46%. UH, WE LOOK AT PLAN REVIEW AND FIELD INSPECTION PLAN REVIEW. WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, PRIMARILY AT STRUCTURAL BUILDING CODE PLAN REVIEW. AND THE REASON WE PUT SUCH A STRESS ON THIS IS THAT IT IS SAFER, MORE EFFICIENT, AND LESS COSTLY TO FIND A PROBLEM WHEN IT'S INK ON PAPER. UH, SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO MEET CODE, IT'S BETTER TO FIND IT BEFORE WE START BREAKING GROUND. UH, SO WE LOOK AT EXPERIENCE OF PLAN REVIEW PERSONNEL. WE LOOK AT STAFFING, UH, AND WE LOOK AT, UH, THE DETAIL OF THE PLAN, REVIEW, WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING LOOKED AT. AND THEN MOVING ON TO FIELD INSPECTION. OF COURSE, THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD. UH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE BROKEN GROUND. SO NOW WE'RE PAST THE DESIGN PHASE. WE'RE AT THE EXECUTION. WE LOOK AT VERY SIMILAR ASPECTS AS WE DO TO PLAN REVIEW. WE'RE LOOKING AT STAFFING VERSUS WORKLOAD EXPERTISE, EXPERIENCE, UH, MANAGEMENT OF RECORD KEEPING AND OF ACTIVITY AS WELL. ALSO, WHETHER OR NOT A DEPARTMENT REQUIRES FILE INSPECTIONS AND CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY. SO ALL THAT TOGETHER MAKE UP THE 100 POINTS OF THE B SEG SCHEDULE. THIS IS A CHART THAT IS CURRENT AS OF SOMETIME IN THE SPRING OF 2025. UNFORTUNATELY, THE ACTUAL MONTH ALLUDES ME. UM, THIS IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF CLASSIFICATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, FOR COMMUN FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT RECEIVED A CLASS ONE TO 10. SO THE CLASS 90 NINES ARE NOT INCLUDED IN HERE BECAUSE THEY SKEW THE NUMBERS. UM, AND IT ENDS UP BEING A LESS USEFUL CHART. UM, BUT THIS IS THE DISTRIBUTION. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A FAIRLY NORMAL DISTRIBUTION. UH, YOU KNOW, THE THREE FOURS AND FIVES. UM, THAT BUBBLE CAN SHIFT DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE CODE ADOPTION CYCLE IN CERTAIN STATES, UH, AND WHERE THE CODE PUBLISHERS ARE IN THEIR CYCLE. UM, THE RED BAR IS THE COMMERCIAL CLASSIFICATIONS, AND THE RESIDENTIAL IS THE BLUE BAR. AND IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS FOR THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA. UH, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT NORMAL CURVE, IT'S JUST SHIFTED OVER A LITTLE BIT. UM, THE STATE AVERAGE CLASSIFICATION FOR ALL COMMUNITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM IS A CLASS SIX FOR BOTH ONE AND TWO FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. THE CURRENT CLASSIFICATION FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND IS A FIVE FOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AND A FOUR FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL. SO THE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY PERFORMS BETTER THAN THE STATE AVERAGE. AND I WANNA END, UH, THE B SIX PORTION OF THIS JUST TO DISCUSS. OKAY, WE DO ALL OF THIS. WHAT, HOW HAS THE PROGRAM APPLIED? HOW DOES THE PROGRAM BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY? UM, THE FIRST ONE, OF COURSE IS AN INSURANCE RATING AND UNDERWRITING. UM, IT'S IS, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS AFTER I SPEAK ABOUT THE PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASS. UH, BUT IN A NUTSHELL, IT IS UP TO THE INSURERS, HOW THEY APPLY THIS PROGRAM. WE'RE AN ADVISORY ORGANIZATION. WE CANNOT, AND WE PROVIDE ADVISORY CREDITS AND, AND THAT, BUT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TELL AN INSURER HOW TO APPLY [02:35:01] OUR PROGRAM. THAT'S UP TO THE INSURER WITH THEIR PROPRIETARY PROCESSES AS WELL, UH, IN LINE WITH THE INSURANCE REGULATIONS IN A GIVEN STATE. UM, AND AGAIN, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A FEW MINUTES. UH, SOME OTHER AREAS THOUGH, UH, KIND OF GOING CLOCKWISE AROUND THIS WHEEL IS CODE ADVOCACY. UH, WE HAVE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS WITH VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING, FOR INSTANCE, THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL THAT PROMULGATES, UH, A NUMBER OF THE CODES THAT ARE ADOPTED, UH, I AMO, NFPA, ET CETERA. UM, AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM ON VARIOUS INITIATIVES AND ENDEAVORS. UM, ONE OF THE ICCS BIGGEST EVENTS, UH, ALL YEAR IS IN MAY. IT'S A BUILDING SAFETY MONTH. UM, AND WE ARE A SPONSOR OF THAT. WE SPONSOR THEIR MEMBER RESOURCES PAGE ON THAT. SO WE HAVE A LONG LASTING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. UM, MOVING ALONG TO FEMA PROGRAMS. UH, WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SEVERAL GRANT PROGRAMS WITH FEMA IN THE PAST TO THE HAZARD MITIGATION ASSISTANT GRANT PROGRAM, UH, WHICH WAS SUNSET WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE BRICK PROGRAM, UH, WHICH I THINK WAS 29 19. 2020. UM, AND OF COURSE, WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE THE BRICK PROGRAM, THE NOFO FOR, OR THE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FOR 20 FISCAL YEARS. 24 AND 25 WAS ISSUED, UH, LAST MONTH. UH, WE ARE STILL A FACTOR IN THAT PROGRAM. THERE ARE 10 POINTS, UH, IN THE COMPETITIVE GRANT ASPECT OF THAT PROGRAM. THERE ARE 10 POINTS AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, BASED ON IF THEY HAVE A B SEGS CLASSIFICATION OF ONE TO FIVE. AND IT'S NOT A SLIDING SCALE, YOU GET ZERO OR 10 POINTS, UH, FOR THOSE COMM. UH, FOR COMMUNITIES THAT ARE FILLING OUT GRANT BRI GRANT APPLICATIONS, UM, IMPROVING A B SEGS CLASSIFICATION IS ALSO AN APPROVED ACTIVITY IN THE HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT PROGRAM. UH, WE'VE BEEN IN THAT ONE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AS WELL. AND ALSO, FEMA HAS USED, UH, SOME OF OUR DATA IN LOSSES AVOIDED STUDIES AFTER, UH, CERTAIN NATURAL DISASTERS OVER THE YEARS. SO WE HAVE A LONGSTANDING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. UH, RESILIENCY AND MITIGATION EFFORTS, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WHEEL. AGAIN, THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS. UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, THE FEDERAL ALLIANCE FOR SAFE HOMES FLASH. UH, THEY'RE AN ADVOCACY GROUP, UH, WHOSE MISSION IS TO HELP EDUCATE COMMUNITY OFFICIALS AND THE PUBLIC, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF VARIOUS ASPECTS OF MITIGATION, UH, WHICH INCLUDES STRONG BUILDING CODES AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO TO UPGRADE THEIR HOMES, TO MAKE THEM SAFER, UH, IN THE FACE OF NATURAL DISASTERS AND NATURAL EVENTS. UM, SO WE HAVE A LONGSTANDING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND OTHERS AS WELL. ACADEMIC STUDIES. UH, WE HAVE, UH, PARTICIPATED IN A COUPLE OF ACADEMIC STUDIES OVER THE YEARS WHERE THE RESEARCHERS ARE LOOKING TO SHOW THAT STRONGER CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS BETTER LOSS EXPERIENCE, RESULTS IN BETTER LOSS EXPERIENCE FOR COMMUNITY. UH, PRIMARILY THE TWO I THINK OF IS, THERE WAS ONE DONE BY THE WHARTON SCHOOL, UH, THAT LOOKED AT HAIL, HAIL LOSSES, UM, WHICH I LIKE THAT ONE BECAUSE JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY IS SUBJECT TO HAIL. AND AS OPPOSED TO HURRICANE, YOU KNOW, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T APPLY HERE IF YOU'RE NOT IN A HEAVY SIZED MIX ZONE. UM, WE ALSO, UH, CONTRIBUTED, UH, ENFORCEMENT INFORMATION FOR, UH, SOME, UH, A LOSS STUDY FOR WIND LOSSES, UH, RESIDENTIAL WIND LOSSES IN FLORIDA AS WELL. I THINK THAT WAS AROUND 2019. UM, OUR PURPOSE, UH, OUR PURPOSE WAS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ONLY. OUR PURPOSE WASN'T TO SHOW THAT B SEGS WORKS. HOWEVER, UH, THE RESULTS DID SHOW THAT OUR CLASSIFICATIONS WERE INDICATIVE OF RISK. AND COMMUNITIES THAT HAD A MORE FAVORABLE B SEGS CLASSIFICATION DID, UH, EXPER HAVE BETTER LOSS EXPERIENCE IN THOSE EVENTS. AND THEN LASTLY, UH, THE N-F-I-P-C-R-S PROGRAM. UH, SO IN COMMUNITY HAZARD MITIGATION, WE HAVE, AT VERISK, WE HAVE THREE PROGRAMS. WE HAVE THE B SIX PROGRAM, THE PPC PROGRAM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, WHICH LOOKS AT A COMMUNITY'S FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT AND MITIGATION EFFORTS, AND DEVELOP A RATING. AND THAT BASED ON THAT RATING, UH, CITIZENS WHO HAVE, UH, FLOOD INSURANCE THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN GET, UH, DISCOUNTS ON THOSE INSURANCE RATES. IT IS A FEMA PROGRAM, NOT AN ISO VERISK PROGRAM. HOWEVER, WE, WE ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. AND THE REASON IT'S SIGNIFICANT HERE IS B SEGS DOES IS A FACTOR IN THAT PROGRAM. THERE ARE POINTS AVAILABLE BASED ON A COMMUNITY'S B SEGS CLASS, UH, AND IT TAKES BOTH INTO ACCOUNT, BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL [02:40:01] AND THE COMMERCIAL. AND THERE ARE ALSO SOME B SEGS CLASSIFICATION THRESHOLDS THAT NEED TO BE MET IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR A MINIMUM CRS CLASSIFICATION. AND AGAIN, I'LL GET TO THE INSURANCE ASPECT OF IT AFTER WE COVER, UH, PPC. IF WE COULD ADVANCE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA SHIFT TO THE PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASS PROGRAM. UH, THIS IS REALLY OUR LEGACY PROGRAM, BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. UH, AND THAT PROGRAM, WE'RE MEASURING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF PUBLIC FIRE PROTECTION, PRIMARILY STRUCTURE FIRES. UH, AND WE HAVE PUBLIC PROTECTION INFORMATION FOR OVER 37,000 FIRE DISTRICTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE AREN'T JUST LOOKING AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL FIRE SUPPRESSION SERVICE CAPABILITY. UH, SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE ASPECTS TO THAT THAT WE'LL GET TO IN, IN A COUPLE SLIDES FROM NOW. UH, BUT AGAIN, THE IDEA OF THE PPC PROGRAM, WHICH B SEGS BORROWED, IS THAT BETTER FIRE PROTECTION GENERALLY LEADS TO BETTER LOSS EXPERIENCE WHEN THERE'S A STRUCTURE FIRE. NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THIS ONE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS ONE TIES THE TWO PROGRAMS TOGETHER. WELL, IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND THANK YOU. OKAY. AND AGAIN, AS I SAID, IT'S NOT JUST A FIRE DEPARTMENT EVALUATION. UH, FSRS IS A FIRE SUPPRESSION RATING SCHEDULE. UH, AGAIN, THAT'S THE DOCUMENT THAT GETS FILED WITH THE DOI THAT ALLOWS US TO, UH, ADMINISTER THE RATING PROGRAM HERE IN OKLAHOMA. UM, IT'S A FIRST ALARM SCHEDULE, UH, BY FIRST ALARM, MEANING IT'S NOT JUST WHAT HAPPENS, UH, AT THE SITE, AT THE SCENE OF A STRUCTURE FIRE, IT ACTUALLY BEGINS WHEN THE NINE ONE ONE CALL COMES IN. AND WHAT HAPPENS ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ARRIVES AND IS WORKING TO SUPPRESS THE FIRE. AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN BETWEEN. UNLIKE THE B SEG SCHEDULE, WHICH IS CAPPED AT A HUNDRED POINTS, THE CURRENT FSRS IS 105.5. UH, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE'S, UH, EXTRA FIVE AND A HALF POINTS, UH, FOR COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION, WHICH IS MORE, UH, ON THE MITIGATION PRE STRUCTURE, FIRE SIDE OF THINGS. UM, SO IF THERE'S AN AREA WHERE, UH, A COMMUNITIES FIRE DEPARTMENT MAYBE DIDN'T, UH, GET AS MANY POINTS AS THEY WOULD'VE LIKED, THEY CAN MAKE UP SOME POINTS IN THAT COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION AREA. AND THEN THE PROGRAM ITSELF, UH, UH, REFERENCES PROVEN NATIONAL STANDARDS, AND YOU SEE SOME OF THEM LISTED THERE, UM, PRIOR TO THE MOST WELL KNOWN AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, WOULD BE, OF COURSE, THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION, NFPA. SO WE DEVELOP SIMILAR TO B SEGS, WE DEVELOP, UH, WHEN WE DO A SURVEY, THE COMMUNITY, UH, EARNS POINTS FOR THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY PERFORM. AND THOSE POINT RANGES THEN ARE TRANSLATED INTO A CLASS. SO YOU WANT A LOWER CLASS, BUT HIGHER POINTS IN ORDER. SO IT'S LIKE GOLF, BUT NOT EXACTLY. AND THEN SIMILAR TO WHAT I SHOWED YOU WITH B SEGS, THIS IS THE CURRENT DISTRIBUTION OF, UH, PPC CLASSIFICATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. UH, IF YOU RECALL THE SLIDE FOR B SEGS, YOU NOTICE THE, THE CURVE IS IN VERY SIMILAR SHAPE. UH, IT'S A VERY SIMILAR BELL CURVE, LITTLE SPIKE THERE AT THE END ON THE FAR RIGHT. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S BY DESIGN. AND THEN THIS IS THE PERFORMANCE OF OKLAHOMA. UH, AGAIN, THE OVERALL SHAPE IS VERY CLOSELY MA UH, OVERALL CLOSELY MATCHES THAT, UH, NATIONWIDE. AND THEN I MENTIONED ABOUT THAT MPPC WE'RE MEASURING NOT JUST THE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE MEASURING THE ENTIRE FIRE SUPPRESSION CAPABILITIES OF THE COMMUNITY. THESE ARE THE FIVE MAJOR AREAS THAT WE LOOK AT. WE LOOK AT THE COMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, AND THAT IS INCLUDES BOTH THE RECEIPT OF THE CALL AND THEN THE DISPATCH OF ALARMS TO THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, MITIGATION GEOGRAPHY, UH, THIS ONE, UH, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF BEFORE. UH, BUT THINGS LIKE DISTANCE TO, UH, UH, STRUCTURES, DISTANCE TO A RESPONDING STATION, DISTANCE TO A FIRE HYDRANT, UH, THE, UH, DISTANCE, UH, OR THE DISBURSEMENT OF STATIONS IN THE FIRE PROTECTION AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS, UH, AMPLE COVERAGE IN THE PROTECTION AREA. THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT EQUIPMENT, PUMPING CAPACITY, PERSONNEL, AND TRAINING. THEN WE GO TO WATER SUPPLY. UH, SO OBVIOUSLY NEED TO HAVE, UH, SOMETHING TO, UH, SUPPRESS THE FIRE WITH. UH, SO LOOKING AT THE DISTRIBUTION, MAINTENANCE HYDRANT CONDITIONS, FLOW, UH, WATER STORAGE INFILTRATION. [02:45:01] UH, WE ASSESS THE AVAILABLE WATER SUPPLY AGAINST THE AMOUNT NEEDED TO SUPPRESS THE FIRES. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE CONDITION OF THE EQUIPMENT, BUT ALSO BASED ON NEEDED FIRE FLOWS, UH, THAT THERE IS ENOUGH WATER IN THE WATER SUPPLY, UH, NECESSARY TO, UH, IN THE, TO SUPPRESS THE FIRE. AND THEN FINALLY, AGAIN, I MENTIONED COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION. THIS, OF COURSE, WE'RE GETTING NOT SO MUCH IN THE RESPONSE AREA, BUT IN THE MITIGATION PART, FIRE PREVENTION, PUBLIC SAFETY EDUCATION, AND, UH, FIRE INVESTIGATION CAPABILITIES. AND I JUST WANNA SHOW, UH, THIS IS A WEBSITE, UH, WE CALL IT MITIGATE. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE YOUR CHIEF AT LEAST HAS, UH, ACCESS TO. UH, THIS IS AVAILABLE TO ALL COMMUNITIES WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE PPC PROGRAM WHERE THEY CAN ACCESS THE INFORMATION FROM THEIR MOST RECENT PPC SURVEY. SO THIS IS JUST A SCREENSHOT FOR EDMOND. UM, IN THE BLUE THERE, YOU SEE THE 93.2, THAT IS THE TOTAL SCORE. UH, AND IF YOU RECALL, I BELIEVE A 90 WAS MINIMUM FOR A CLASS ONE. SO THAT 93.2 IS COMFORTABLY IN CLASS ONE TERRITORY FOR THE CITY OF EDMONDS FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, IT ALSO BREAKS DOWN IN THE SUB, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE SECTIONS LIKE COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION, WATER COMMUNICATION, UM, HOW THOSE POINTS WERE DISTRIBUTED. AND ALSO PROVIDE SOME COMPARISON, UH, ACROSS THE STATE AND THE COUNTRY WITH, UH, WHAT WE CALL PEER GROUPS. UH, YOU KNOW, BY VARIOUS, WHETHER IT'S POPULATION, UH, DENSITY, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE, UH, AT NO COST TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR, UH, PARTICIPATING. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, JUST LIKE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS, UH, PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO WORKING WITH US AND GETTING THIS DATA, UH, TOGETHER FOR US, UH, SO WE CAN PROVIDE THESE CLASSIFICATIONS. AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A WAY THAT WE COULD GIVE THE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY A TAKEAWAY THAT COULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. IF WE CAN GO BACK, I THINK IT'S ABOUT SIX SLIDES, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. UH, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE BACKTRACKING. THIS WAS A AUDIBLE, I CALLED AT THE LAST MINUTE. UM, IN BOTH OF OUR PROGRAMS, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE AN ADVISORY ORGANIZATION. UM, BOTH PROGRAMS ARE JUST TWO ELEMENTS IN A LARGE SWATH OF INFORMATION THAT AN INSURANCE UNDERWRITER LOOKS AT WHEN THEY'RE UNDERWRITING THE POLICY, DOING RATE DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA. SO, UH, DECISIONS ARE RARELY MADE JUST ON ONE THING, RIGHT? IT'S USUALLY THE AGGREGATE, UH, THAT IMPACTS IT. UM, BUT IT DOES IMPACT, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR INSTANCE, ON THE UNDERWRITING SIDE. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT, UH, PREMIUM DEVELOPMENT RATE, ALTHOUGH VERY MUCH DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT OR CAN HAVE AN IMPACT IF THE INSURER CHOOSES TO APPLY EITHER OF THESE PROGRAMS THAT WAY. BUT IT ALSO CAN IMPACT, UH, THE AVAILABILITY OF INSURANCE, UH, POLICY CHOICE OPTIONS FOR, UH, THE CITIZENS OF YOUR COMMUNITY, UH, THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT A PARTICULAR INSURER ARE WILLING TO INSURE. UH, SO THESE PROGRAMS CAN HAVE IMPACTS ON THOSE DECISIONS THAT MAY NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ACTUAL RATE ITSELF, BUT JUST THE AVAILABILITY, UH, AND THE CHOICES AVAILABLE FOR INSURANCE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. IT ALSO DOES ALLOW OUR, UH, INSURERS TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR WRITING NEW BUSINESS, UH, TO MANAGE THEIR BOOK OF BUSINESS AND THEIR RISK. YOU KNOW, AS AN INSURER, I DON'T WANT TO ENSURE EVERY BUILDING IN A COMMUNITY. 'CAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO, UH, BOOK OF BUSINESS. UH, BUT IT DOES HELP ME MAKE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG OF A PIECE OF THAT PIE AM I WILLING TO UNDERWRITE. UM, ALSO ALLOW, HELPS, UH, AN INSURER REVIEW LOSS EXPERIENCE, UH, IN VARIOUS RATING TERRITORIES. AND ALSO TO OFFER COVERAGES AND ESTABLISHED DEDUCTIBLES FOR INDIVIDUAL HOMES AND BUSINESSES, AGAIN, AS THEY SEE FIT TO APPLY THESE PROGRAMS. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THE INSURED COMPANIES ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE THESE DECISIONS, NOT US. UH, WE JUST PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY, THAT THEY USE. UM, AND I THINK, AGAIN, THAT BOTTOM PART, THAT LAST ONE REALLY KIND OF TIES EVERYTHING IN. AGAIN, THIS WOULD ALSO APPLY TO B SEGS AS WELL, IS THAT ASSUMING ALL OTHER FACTORS ARE EQUAL, THE PRICE OF PROPERTY INSURANCE IN A COMMUNITY WITH GOOD PPC IS LOWER IN A THAN A COMMUNITY WITH A POOR PPC. SO, UH, AND I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THESE TWO PROGRAMS WITH [02:50:01] YOU AND HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN. ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS? JUST REAL QUICKLY, UH, I-S-O-P-P-C AND RATINGS, UH, CONSTANTLY REVIEWING THINGS TO MAKE CHANGES. WHAT DO YOU SEE IN TERMS OF, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF TECHNOLOGY AND DATA? AND NUMBER TWO, THE INTEGRATION OF DIGITAL TOOLS, ESPECIALLY WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. RIGHT? AND I THINK FOR, UM, AND, UH, MAYBE CHIEF WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK FROM THE FIRE SIDE, BUT I, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I'D LIKE FROM THE BUILDING SIDE, UM, 'CAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE ESPECIALLY, UM, ALLOWING INSPECTORS TO GET INTO AREAS THAT THEY NORMALLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET INTO. SOMETIMES THERE'S NATURAL FEATURES OR THE CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, ALSO THERE'S AN EFFICIENCY THERE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, USE TECHNOLOGY CAMERAS, ET CETERA, TO PERFORM INSPECTIONS, TO EXPEDITE THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS. UM, THERE'S SOFTWARE THAT DOES AMAZING THINGS WITH REVIEWING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL SEEN THESE ROLES OF PLANS, UM, AND RE-REVIEWING THE PLANS. SO, UH, I KNOW THAT WE REVIEW THEM IN OUR PROGRAM WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE BENCHMARKS. UH, LOOKING AT HOW MANY INSPECTIONS FOR STAFFING, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT IS, WHAT IS A DEPARTMENT STRETCHED, FOR INSTANCE? WELL, WITH SOME OF THE TOOLS, MORE INSPECTIONS CAN BE PERFORMED THAN PER DAY PER FTE THAN MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO. UM, I IMAGINE IT'S A SIMILAR IDEA FOR, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SIDE. UH, AGAIN, IF, IF ANYBODY WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT. SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. NO, YOU'RE PUT SPOT. I DO , MAYOR COUNCIL. I'M TERRY ESRI, I'M YOUR FIRE CHIEF. AND JUST REAL BRIEFLY, THE TECHNOLOGY'S A HUGE PART. UH, IT IT, 'CAUSE WE ARE GRADED ON HOW FAST THAT WE CAN BECOME AROUND AND OF COURSE, GET ON SCENE AND PUT A BUNCH OF FIREFIGHTERS ON SCENE. SO USING TECHNOLOGY, WHICH WE'VE IMPLEMENTED RECENTLY, WE'RE ABLE TO, TO GET FIREFIGHTERS ON SCENE QUICKER, WHICH ULTIMATELY HELPS US SAVE LIVES AND IS, IT MAKES EVERYBODY SAFER. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG WAYS THAT THAT'S BEEN INCORPORATED. OKAY, THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU? WELL, JUST ONE MORE. UH, BUILD SAFE BETTER CODES. I KEEP WAITING FOR, UH, ISO OR SOMEBODY TO ENCOURAGE, UH, MUNICIPALITIES, PLACES TO, UH, TO PUT THOSE IN ORDINANCES TO, TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE RATINGS AND, RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE ASPECTS, ESPECIALLY WITH, UM, WHEN WE GO THROUGH PERIODS, IT'S INTERESTING. WE GO THROUGH PERIODS WHERE THINGS JUST KIND OF STAY THE SAME, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S THIS FLURRY OF ACTIVITY, UH, LIKE YOU MENTIONED. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS IS THE SCHEDULES THAT WE FILE, WE ARE BOUND TO THOSE SCHEDULES. SO WE, YOU KNOW, SO FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE A LIST OF CODES IN THE B SEG SIDE THAT WE LOOK AT. UM, IF I SAID, OKAY, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WE SHOULD REALLY START LOOKING AT THAT. WE COULDN'T JUST START DOING THAT. IT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE A SCHEDULE CHANGE AND A REFILING. UM, SO IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T CONSIDER IT OR LOOK AT IT, BUT IT'S NOT AN INSTANTANEOUS PROCESS 'CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH OUR RIGOR AS WELL. AND AGAIN, LOOKING AT IT AS IT REFLECTS INSURANCE RISK, UH, AS, AS WELL. BUT YEAH, THAT IS ONE THING THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE PROGRAMS CHANGE OFTEN DOES TAKE TIME BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, WE HAVE, WE'RE, WE'RE BOUND BY THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE SCHEDULED PUTS FORTH, WELL, I HATE ALWAYS SAY, I HATE TO GET LOGIC AND REASON MIXED UP IN IT, BUT WE'VE ONLY HAD 49 TORNADOES ALREADY THIS YEAR IN OKLAHOMA. SO, I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YEAH, I'M HOPEFUL THAT SOMEBODY WILL WRAP THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. I, I NOTICED THERE WERE A SERIES OF WATCHES AND OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE STATE LAST NIGHT. THANK YOU THOUGH. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS FOR THE OVERVIEW. I JUST WANNA SAY, I'M PROUD THAT OUR CITY HAS HAD THIS RATING SINCE 2021. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE A PRODUCTIVE KICKOFF FOR THE NEXT YEAR. UM, BUT I KNOW IT, IT'S A LOT OF GROUPS THAT DO THAT. TWO OF YOU HERE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, ENGINEERING, LIKE A BUNCH OF GROUPS PITCH IN TO MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BE AS SAFE AS WE ARE, OF COURSE, BUT ALSO TO HAVE THESE RATINGS WHICH MAKE OUR INSURANCE LOWER. SO, UM, JUST THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS. UH, IT'S A BIG DEAL AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY GREAT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM 11 [H. Discussion and Consideration of Approval of Resolution No. 11-26 Amending the City Council Travel Policy; Setting Forth the Conditions Under Which In-State and Out-Of-State Travel will be Pre-Paid and/or Reimbursed by the City for the Mayor and Members of the City Council; Providing for Distribution and Filing; And Providing an Effective Date. (Citywide)] H, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 11 DASH 26 AMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL TRAVEL POLICY, SETTING FORTH CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH IN-STATE AND OUT-OF-STATE TRAVEL WILL BE PREPAID AND OR REIMBURSED BY THE CITY FOR THE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, PROVIDING FOR DISTRIBUTION AND FILING, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ALL RIGHT. WE CONTINUED THIS FROM THE LAST MEETING. [02:55:02] AND WHERE ARE WE AT AT THIS POINT? I KNOW, I THINK WE STILL WANT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE LANGUAGE TO IT, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. SO MY SUGGESTION SINCE, SINCE, UM, IT WAS PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA WITH SOME RED LINES, WAS TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN, UM, AND MAYBE CONSIDER RENAMING IT TO SOMETHING MORE ENCOMPASSING, UM, NOT JUST TRAVEL, BUT ALSO REIMBURSEMENTS OR CALL IT TRAVEL AND EXPENDITURE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, KATIE HAD TO STEP OUT, BUT I, I WAS GONNA HAVE HER LIKE, TAKE DIRECTION FROM US IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT HER TO CHANGE. AND, AND, AND ALSO WITHIN THAT PROCESS OF GETTING IT TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO ADOPT LIKE AN AMENDED VERSION, UM, I WOULD LIKE MADELINE TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER CITY COUNCIL DOCUMENTS WE HAVE, WHICH ARE, WE HAVE THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE FROM THE CHARTER, WE HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL GUIDEBOOK, WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL THIS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE PUBLIC MEETING RULES. UM, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY HAVE A COHESIVE, UM, TONE. I DON'T KNOW IF TONE'S THE RIGHT WORD, BUT, UM, THOSE ARE JUST MY SUGGESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO PROCEED? ANY THOUGHTS? YOU WANNA RED LINE? THE RED LINE VERSION? YEAH. AND, AND I THOUGHT WE CAN, HERE'S MY RED LINES. WE CAN RENAME IT TO THE TRAVEL AND EXPENDITURE POLICY. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF SENTENCES THAT NEED TO BE JUST MORE INCLUSIVE OF TITLING IT AS SUCH. AND, UM, I THINK WHAT, WHAT YOU ENDED UP PUTTING BACK, PUTTING IT BACK ON THE AGENDA WITH THE RED LINE PRESTON, WAS TO JUST ADD MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE LIKE OBVIOUS EVENTS THAT, THAT ARE THE DUTY OF A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA TO APPROVE. RIGHT? UM, AND THEN BY DOING THAT, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE WOULD JUST CHANGE. BUT I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT ENOUGH THAT KATIE, MADELINE, AND IT KNOWS OUR INTENT. I THINK THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS JUST OUR CHARTER SAYS THAT WE CAN'T RECEIVE COMPENSATION OVER AND ABOVE, SO WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING TRANSPARENT AND THAT THIS ISN'T COMPENSATION, IT'S REIMBURSEMENT. UM, OR I THINK EVEN PREFERABLE TO REIMBURSEMENT IS THAT THE CITY COVERS THE EXPENSE DIRECTLY. SO WE DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF CHECKS WRITTEN TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I MEAN, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE. WOULD THE CITY HANDLES THAT? ANY KIND OF BUSINESS I NEED TO TRAVEL FOR? UM, BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT IN THEIR ABILITY TO TAKE OUR DIRECTION AND, AND PRESENT US WITH SOMETHING WE MAY BE COMFORTABLE WITH ADOPTING. BUT WHATEVER Y'ALL THINK I'VE, I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF MORE INCLUSIVE POLICIES, UM, AND I MEAN, REALLY AND TRULY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY MISSING IN ALL OF THIS AFTER THE RED LINES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE IS JUST SOMETHING THAT OUTLINES HOW WE HANDLE EXPENSES. WHETHER IT'S ANYTHING OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EXPENSES COMES TO THE COUNCIL FOR WHETHER IT'S FOR CONSENT OR CONSIDERATION, UM, I THINK IS APPROPRIATE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THIS SO DIFFICULT THAT WE'RE PUTTING A HUGE BURDEN ON STAFF THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT AS WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN ALL THIS UP, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FISCAL DILIGENCE, UM, IT MAKES SENSE. SO, AND I KNOW KATIE'S BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH ON IT. UM, I'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GET SOMETHING PRETTY QUICK AND THEN HAVE MADELINE LOOK AT IT, UM, TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. I THINK THAT SOUNDS GOOD. I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ADOPTED SOMETHING AND THEN WE WENT BACK AND AMENDED IT, WHICH IS FINE AND THAT MAY HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN GET TO A POINT, UM, WHERE MAYBE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT SUPER OFTEN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. SO, UM, YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH KATIE AND, AND THEN MADELINE LOOKING AT IT. SO, SO [03:00:01] HOW DO WE HANDLE WITH WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT? AS I'M LOOKING AT MS. SAWYER, WHAT'S THE EASY WAY TO, TO DEAL WITH THIS? CONTINUE IT AGAIN. OKAY, SO CONTINUE OR JUST DON'T TAKE ACTION ON IT. OKAY. JUST DON'T TAKE ACTION. ALRIGHT. I DIDN'T HEAR, SOUNDS GOOD. COULDN'T HEAR. OH, SORRY. COULD YOU NOT HEAR US? NO ACTION. COULDN'T HEAR. WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE NO ACTION. AND THEN ONCE KATIE HAS THE CHANCE TO CLEAN SOME STUFF UP, WE'LL RUN IT THROUGH MADELINE THEN GET IT BACK ON THE AGENDA. IT'S OKAY IF IT WORKS WITH TIMING. YEAH, NO, IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT, NO, IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING WE'VE ALREADY GOT IN THE WORKS. OKAY. BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOT A POLICY IN PLACE. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM [I. Discussion and Consideration of Directing City Staff to Prepare an Agenda Item Adjusting the Source of Funds for the Fire Vehicle Maintence Building Project Approved on March 23, 2026. (Citywide)] 11 I, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF DIRECTING CITY STAFF TO PREPARE AN AGENDA ITEM, ADJUSTING THE SOURCE OF FUNDS FOR THE FIRE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE BUILDING PROJECT APPROVED ON MARCH 23RD, 2026. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS FOLLOWING THROUGH ON, UH, WE HAD A, THE NIGHT THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDERED, UH, FUNDING THE, UH, THE FIRE MAINTENANCE, UH, BUILDING, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY SPLITTING THAT COST UP AMONGST A COUPLE DIFFERENT SOURCES. IN, UH, EARLY APRIL, I EMAILED THE COUNCIL AND SAID THAT I WAS COMFORTABLE, UH, LEAVING IT ALL WITHIN THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET AND THE FIRE FUND, UH, PRIMARILY FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, THAT GRANT IS ULTIMATELY A 50% REIMBURSEMENT. YOU RECALL FULL REIMBURSEMENT WOULD BE IF WE FINISHED BY DECEMBER 31ST, BUT WE'RE ALLOWED TO, UH, PROVIDE OR, OR APPLY FOR REIMBURSEMENTS ALONG THE WAY. SO THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE WE'LL GET A LOT OF THAT OR GET CLOSE, AT LEAST CLOSE TO THAT 50% REIMBURSEMENT AS WE FINISH THE REST OF THE YEAR. AND SECOND, AS WE WIND UP DISCUSSING IN OUR, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP LAST WEEK, WE'RE GONNA WIND UP, I THINK THE DIRECTION IS GONNA BE TO WIND UP TRANSFERRING A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE FLEET FUND FUND BALANCE THAT IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE, UH, FIRE FUND. BACK TO THE FIRE FUND. AND WITH THOSE THINGS IN MIND, I THINK THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS SOME DIRECTION ON, DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO REVISIT THE FUNDING, UH, UH, PROPOSAL OR THE FUNDING MIX FOR THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING AS WE'VE LAID IT OUT? MY APPROVAL BEFORE WAS CONTINGENT ON GETTING THE MONEY FROM SOME OTHER SOURCE AND NOT FIRE RESERVES. I STILL THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN FIRE RESERVES TO COVER THIS. RIGHT, RIGHT. I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT REMEMBER, WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING ON A, A TRANSFER OF AT LEAST 5 MILLION IN THE NEXT YEAR FROM THE FLEET FUND. SO IF, DO YOU WANT TO, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A THIRD OF THE MILLION 0.4? UH, IN ADDITION OR, OR A HALF OR, OR A QUARTER SINCE WE'RE GONNA GET REIMBURSED TO HALF BECAUSE OF THE GRANT. I MEAN, I I A DIFFERENT WAY OF SAYING I THINK WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANT IS FOR THERE TO BE ADDITIONAL FUNDING PROVIDED TO THE FIRE FUND. I WAS AND STAFF'S GONNA PROPOSE WELL IN EXCESS OF A, ESSENTIALLY A THIRD OR A QUARTER OF THE MILLION FOUR, I WOULD SAY LET'S GET THE TRANSFER FROM THE FIRE, FROM THE FLEET MAINTENANCE FUND OVER INTO THE FIRE FUND. IF THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GONNA DO IT, LET'S DO IT AND LET'S DO IT NOW. UM, I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE URGENCY OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT FUND, AND I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE AND KIND OF ROLL THE DICE AND HOPE THAT THAT FUND DOESN'T RUN OUTTA MONEY BEFORE THE END OF THAT FISCAL YEAR. SO LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT NOW. AND WHETHER YOU, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU DO 1.4 NOW OR YOU DO THE FULL FIVE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING, GET IT DONE. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE GONNA SHOW IT TO YOU AS PART OF THE BUDGET, SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL APPROVE IT. BUT FOR RIGHT NOW IT'S FIVE. WOULD THE BUDGET TRANSFER HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY? WE WOULD, WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN IMMEDIATELY? YOU WOULD APPROVE IT FOR 26, 27. WHEN WOULD THE ACTUAL TRANSFER HAPPEN? JULY 1ST. WHAT I, I'M A LITTLE BIT THROWN OFF BY YOU. I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MECHANIC OF THE TRANSFER. YEAH. WHEN WOULD IT ACTUALLY HAPPEN? WE, WE COULD DO IT ON JULY 1ST. WE [03:05:01] COULD DO IT OVER THE COURSE OF, OF THE FISCAL YEAR. IT'D BE ESSENTIALLY UP TO OUR DISCRETION. OKAY. I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND ANY CURRENT FISCAL YEAR MONEY FROM THE FIRE RESERVES ON THIS PROJECT. SO LET'S JUST BE IMMEDIATELY, THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO TRANSFER THAT MONEY ON JULY ONE. LET'S DO IT ON JULY ONE. OKAY. LET'S JUST DO IT. AGREED. ANY THOUGHTS FROM THIS END? WELL, I HEAR WHAT THEY REQUESTED, BUT WHAT ARE, ARE THERE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT ON THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW? SO IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN THIS YEAR'S, UM, FIRE BUDGET YES. THAT THAT WAS APPROVED. AND WHAT I THINK TO THE POINT THAT COUNCILMAN WATERSON IS MAKING IS HE DOESN'T WANT US TO CONTINUE TO EAT INTO THE RESERVES FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. WHY NOT TRANSFER IT TODAY OR A MONTH AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHY WAIT TILL JULY? BECAUSE WE WOULD JUST DO IT AS PART OF THE BUDGET, BUT WE, WE CAN EASILY MANAGE IT BETWEEN NOW AND JULY. OKAY. I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GO NEGATIVE ON THE FUND. I'M SORRY, WHAT? THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GO NEGATIVE ON OUR FIRE RESERVES. I HAVEN'T SEEN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA END UP THIS YEAR. UM, ESTIMATE IS TO END THE YEAR WITH ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS. NOT EXACTLY, BUT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS AS A FUND BALANCE. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, UH, NEGATIVE WITHIN THE FUND. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR. I, I'M SORRY, WHAT? THIS, THE BUILDING WE BUDGETED THIS YEAR FOR THE BUILDING, WE'RE GONNA PAY THAT AND WE'LL STILL HAVE A MILLION LEFT OVER. YEAH, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY AT ALL, UH, THIS YEAR. A PART OF IT'LL BE PAID IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND WE'LL BE RECEIVING, WE CAN RECEIVE REIMBURSEMENTS RIGHT AS WE GO ALONG IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO IT DECREASES THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT. I THOUGHT WE HAD AN IMMEDIATE OUTLAY OF 1.4 AND HALF OF THAT WAS GONNA BE REIMBURSED. I I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT MECHANIC OF IT THAT THAT MAY BE, UH, CHIEF, DO YOU REMEMBER? SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? IS IT, ISN'T THE EXPENDITURE HERE IMMEDIATE? DID WE NOT ALREADY PAY IT? WE APPROVE IT, WE WILL PAY IT IN SEGMENTS AS WE GET ONE, ONE PART BUILT AND THEN THEY'LL REIMBURSE HALF HALF AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT UP UNTIL WE GET THE FINAL PROJECT BUILT. OKAY. BUT, BUT TO YOUR QUESTION, YES. IT'S ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND UH, SO THE MONEY IS THERE. OKAY. STILL GOT THE ARPA MONEY. I'M SORRY SIR. STILL GOT THE ARPA MONEY? YES, SIR. STILL GOT THE END OF THE YEAR? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. YES. AND THE PROJECT HAS STARTED. THANK YOU CHIEF. THANK YOU. OKAY. WHATEVER THEN. SO DO WE LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST INCLUDING IN THE BUDGET, WHICH MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION HERE TONIGHT, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S GONNA, IT IS GONNA BE REIMBURSED AS WE GO ALONG. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT UM, IT HAS NERO ZERO NET EFFECT RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. I JUST DON'T WANT THIS FUND TO GET DANGEROUSLY LOW. I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN THAT DANGEROUSLY LOW IS OBVIOUSLY A SUBJECTIVE KIND OF A TERM. IT IS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE TREND WITHIN THE FIRE PUBLIC SAFETY FUND, BUT WE CAN MANAGE IT FOR THE REST OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND THEN AFFECT THE TRANSFER ESSENTIALLY RIGHT AWAY ON JULY ONE. ALRIGHT. YEAH, WE GOOD? OKAY. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY ACTION ON THIS ONE. LET'S MOVE [J. Discussion and Consideration of Approval of the Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Budget for the 2000 Capital Improvement Sales Tax and the 2017 Capital Improvement Sales Tax. (Citywide)] ON TO ITEM 11 J. DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 20 27 BUDGET FOR THE 2000 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SALES TAX IN THE 2017 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SALES TAX. HELLO, I'M BRAD MURRAY, SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER AND STAFF LIAISON TO THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME SLIDES BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER IT ALL. EXACTLY. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT DEDICATED MEMORY IS, I KNOW WE START WITH SOME REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS. 21 MILLION AND CHANGE. IS THE CONTROL ROOM IN THERE. ARE THEY IN THERE WATCHING THE THUNDER GAME? IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON? IT HAS STARTED. I'VE GOT A PRINTOUT. YOU GUYS HAVE [03:10:01] A PRINTOUT IN FRONT OF YOU? I CAN. OKAY, HERE WE GO. THERE IT IS. YOU YOU'RE GOOD COREY. YEAH, THREATEN HIM. ALRIGHT. YEAH, SO I THINK I'VE SAID MOST OF THAT PART ALREADY, SO I NAILED THAT SLIDE. . UH, ALRIGHT, SO I MISSED THIS ONE. THIS IS, UH, LOCAL SALES TAX, WHICH, UH, PEOPLE MORE WELL INFORMED ABOUT THE SALES TAX THAN ME HAVE ALREADY SPOKE TO THIS SOME TONIGHT. BUT WE HAVE 3.75 LOCAL SALES TAX RATE. THE TWO GREEN ONES THERE, THE ONES THAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE 2017 CIP, THAT'S THE HALF CENT AND THE 2000, THAT'S THE THREE QUARTER CENT. AH, THERE IT IS. THERE'S MY REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS. SO, UH, MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS LAYING THOSE OUT UPFRONT FOR YOU. UH, PROPOSED FY 27 BUDGET, WE'RE LOOKING AT ZERO GROWTH IN SALES TAX. UH, THE 2000 C-I-P-F-Y 27 REVENUE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A LITTLE OVER 21 MILLION. UH, 17 MILLION OF THAT IS SALES TAX GENERATED FROM THE 2000 CIP. GOT SOME GRANT REIMBURSEMENT MONEY, SOME INTEREST IN INVESTMENT EARNINGS AND RENT LEASE AND T TIFF REPAYMENT AT THE BOTTOM. ALL RIGHT, SO WE WILL GO INTO THE 2001ST. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE THREE QUARTER CENT PERMANENT SALES TAX. SOME RECENT PROJECTS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED WITH THIS FUND. UH, WE HAVE THE ANNUAL RECONSTRUCTION AND RESURFACING OF STREETS. UH, IT'S ONGOING RIGHT NOW WITH HASKELL LEMON, UH, GETTING A LOT OF GOOD WORK DONE ACROSS THE CITY. UH, DANFORTH AND KELLY IS ANOTHER 2000 CIP FUNDED PROJECT. THE CITY SHARE, WE WERE LOOKING AT ABOUT 2.4 MILLION OUT OF THE CIP FUND, UH, WITH THE REST TO TAKE IT UP TO THAT 10 MILLION TOTAL. UH, COMING FROM GRANT FUNDING. UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING, UH, REVENUE, I MENTIONED 0% GROWTH. SO SALES TAX REVENUE THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING FOR FY 27 IS ABOUT 17 MILLION, WHICH IS, UH, WHAT WE HAD THIS LAST YEAR. UH, THE THING WITH THE 2000 CIP SALES TAX, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, DEBT OBLIGATIONS TO THAT. SO, UH, WE HAVE 12.4 MILLION IN FY 27. UH, IT'S KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THAT IS. I HAD TO DIG IN MYSELF TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE ALL THAT WAS COMING FROM. SO THERE WAS A $40 MILLION LOAN IN JULY OF 2021 THAT HAD THOSE FIVE ITEMS EARMARKED WITH IT. AND THEN THERE WAS IN $81.1 MILLION LOAN IN JUNE OF 2023 FOR THE CITY CENTER COMPLEX AND LIBRARY YMCA. UH, IT'S ALSO WORTH MENTIONING THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO HAVE THAT $12.7 MILLION REPAID FROM THE YMCA OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. SO IT'S A REVERSE, UH, DEBT REPAYMENT COMPARED TO THE FIRST TWO. THAT'S MONEY COMING BACK TO US AND THE 2017. SO THIS IS THE HALF CENT SALES TAX THAT SUNSETS AT THE END OF MARCH NEXT YEAR. SOME RECENT PROJECTS THAT ARE NOTEWORTHY THAT THE 2017 HAS FUNDED. UH, WE'VE GOT THE CREEK BEND TRAIL PHASE ONE, SO THAT 820,000 THAT WAS THE CITY PORTION. UH, THERE WAS GRANT FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT. UH, GOT PELICAN BAY REPAIRS $8 MILLION THERE AND AC CAPLINGER 15 AND A HALF THERE FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. SO FOR, UH, THE 2017, WE HAVE NO DEBT REPAYMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THAT'S ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2000. UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING AROUND EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION IN TAX REVENUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE FULL YEAR THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT NUMBER'S SMALLER THAN THE TAX REVENUE FROM THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR, BUT IT IS STILL A FLAT RATE, NOT PROJECTING ANY GROWTH JUST WITH IT ENDING AT THE END OF MARCH. THAT'S ABOUT WHERE WE WOULD END UP. UH, I JUST HAVE A IMAGE THERE OF THE, UH, PROPOSITIONS THAT VOTERS VOTED ON, UH, IN APRIL OF 2016 TO DETERMINE WHAT THE 2017 CIP SALES TAX WAS USED FOR. [03:15:01] SO LITTLE ABOUT THE PROJECT SELECTION PROCESS. UH, SO BOTH CIP SALES TAXES CURRENTLY SUPPORT A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS. YOU HAVE YOUR NUTS AND BOLTS INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH WE MENTIONED SOME OF THE STREET MAINTENANCE AND WIDENINGS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING. UH, WE MENTIONED SOME QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS, PARKS AND TRAILS, AND THEN A PORTION OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE AND FIRE. UH, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE ADDITIONAL DEDICATED FUNDING, BUT THEY DO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THAT WITH, UH, 2017, UH, CIP CURRENTLY. AND THEN OF COURSE MOVING FORWARD THE 2027 PAVING THE WAY TAX WILL FOCUS ON ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. ALL RIGHT, SO HERE ARE, UH, PROJECTS IN FY 27 THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING, UH, MONEY TO BE ENCUMBERED, UH, OVER THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO WE'VE GOT THE VISTA KICKING BIRD CONNECTOR TRAIL DESIGN. SO THAT IS A GRANT FUNDED PROJECT. THAT 180,000 AS I MENTIONED IS FOR THE DESIGN. THAT WILL BE THE TRAIL THAT, UH, EXTENDS FROM WHERE VISTA HITS SECOND STREET. IT'LL EXTEND NORTH TO KICKING BIRD LANE. THEN YOU'VE GOT SPRING CREEK TO CARL REAR MAN TRAIL. SO THAT WILL BE A TRAIL. IT'S ALSO GRANT FUNDED. UM, THAT'S A TRAIL THAT SPRING CREEK PARK, IF YOU DRIVE ON 15TH STREET UNTIL YOU RUN OUTTA ROAD GONNA HIT THE LAKE, THERE'S A PARK THERE THAT'S SPRING CREEK PARK. SAME THING IF YOU DO IT AT 33RD STREET DRIVE UNTIL YOU HIT THE LAKE. THAT'S CARL ERMAN PARK. THIS TRAIL CONNECTS THOSE TWO PARKS ALONG THE LAKE FRONT RESTROOM IMPROVEMENTS AT ARCADIA LAKE 800,000 THERE. SO, UH, THAT IS TWO RESTROOMS AT SCISSOR TAIL PARK THAT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD WERE BUILT WHEN THE LAKE WAS BUILT. SO THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A FEW YEARS. THEY'RE A LITTLE OUTDATED. SO THOSE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE. AND I MENTIONED THE ANNUAL STREET REHAB AND RESURFACING. SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS HIT FOR FOR THAT PROGRAM. WE'VE GOT ITS PHASE FIVE ON HERE, SO WE'RE SHOWING 200,000 IN FY 27. SO, UH, PHASE FIVE CONSTRUCTION ISN'T ANTICIPATED TO HIT UNTIL FY 28, BUT THAT 200,000 WILL BE A SET OF IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER THAT WILL GET THEM SET UP TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE WHAT ITS PHASE FIVE BRINGS TO US. AND ONE, UH, THAT WE LIKE TALKING ABOUT OUR COVE PARKWAY. SO WE'VE GOT 3 MILLION BUDGETED FOR RIDE OF WAY ACQUISITION AND UTILITY RELOCATIONS. THERE'S LOTS OF HOT SPOTS ALONG COVEL THAT ARE IN NEED OF WORK. SO THE FIRST DOMINO THAT NEEDS TO FALL FOR A LOT OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS IS RIDE OF WAY ACQUISITION AND UTILITY RELOCATION. SO THIS $3 MILLION HELPS US, UH, YOU KNOW, AT SPOTS THAT WE IDENTIFY WITH THE CREATION OF THIS EIGHT YEAR PLAN. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE 2 MILLION MORE BUDGETED IN THE FY 29 FOR THAT SAME PURPOSE. WE HAVE EVEN MORE PROJECTS ON THE 2000 CIP. A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS I SHOULD MENTION, HAVE BUMPED FROM PREVIOUS FISCAL YEARS. THEY WERE ALREADY BUDGETED AND NOW WE JUST NEED TO RE-BUDGET THEM BECAUSE THE MONEY WAS NOT ENCUMBERED. UH, AMONG THAT LIST IS THE WEST DOWNTOWN WALKABILITY PROJECT, UH, AND THE BICYCLE WAY FINDING THOSE BOTH ARE GRANT FUNDED PROJECTS THAT HAD A LITTLE MORE RIGOROUS ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAN WE HAD BEEN TOLD INITIALLY. AND THOSE DELAYED THE LETTING OF THOSE PROJECTS SLIGHTLY AND PUSHED THEM INTO, UH, FY 27 RATHER THAN 26 AYS KICKING BIRD BIKE LANE EXTENSION. THAT'S ANOTHER GRANT FUNDED PROJECT THAT, UH, SHOULD BE READY TO GO OUT THE DOOR EARLY IN FY 27 CORRIDOR STUDIES AND SAFETY DEMONSTRATIONS. SO THAT IS TIED TO THE SS FOUR A GRANT. UH, BELIEVE IT WAS THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TOTAL THAT, UH, THE CITY IS GETTING REIMBURSED FOR THAT ONE. SO, UH, WE WILL EXPEND THIS $1.64 MILLION, BUT MOST OF THAT WILL COME BACK TO US, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL CORRIDOR STUDIES THERE. DANFORTH AND KELLY INTERSECTION. SO, UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS SHOWN BUDGET IN FY 27 FOR THAT PROJECT. THAT'S SIMPLY FOR POTENTIAL CHANGE ORDERS. UH, WE HAVEN'T HIT CHANGE [03:20:01] ORDERS ANYWHERE NEAR THAT AMOUNT TO THIS POINT, BUT THAT IS 10% OF THE AWARD AMOUNT TO THE CONTRACTOR. JUST WANTED TO BE SAFE AND HAVE THAT MONEY 'CAUSE OUR GRANT FUNDING ON THAT IS CAPPED. ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE'VE GOT THE EDMUND HISTORY MUSEUM. UH, CIP ADVISORY BOARD VOTED TO ASSIST THEM WITH FUNDING UP TO $200,000 FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, SLATED TO KICK OFF IN FY 27. AND NOW WE'VE GOT THE 2017 SO SHORTER LIST HERE, BUT SOME, SOME LARGER AMOUNTS ON SOME OF THESE. SO WE START OFF THERE WITH THE POLICE LAKE PATROL FACILITY LOOKING AT $5 MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, OF THAT FACILITY. WE'VE GOT FIRE STATION THREE, UH, RELOCATING THAT, THAT STATION FROM ITS CURRENT LOCATION ON DANFORTH TO, UH, OFF KELLY JUST SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION AT DANFORTH AND KELLY, UH, CREEK BEND TRAIL PHASE TWO. SO WE MENTIONED PHASE ONE EARLIER. PHASE TWO IS GONNA BE THE CONNECTION PIECE IN THE CENTER. WE'RE HOPING FOR SOME GRANT FUNDING THERE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE WE'RE TRYING TO BUDGET FOR THE COST OF THE PROJECT. SO THE 2.7 MILLION WOULD BE IF WE RECEIVE NO GRANT FUNDING, BUT WE HAVE APPLIED AND ARE WAITING TO HEAR. UM, WE'VE HAD A PRETTY GOOD HIT RATE ON THESE TRAIL GRANTS, SO FINGERS ARE CROSSED THAT WE'LL HEAR SOME GOOD NEWS SOON ON THAT ONE. AND THAT 2.7 CAN BE REDUCED. VISTA LANE ER PARK TRAIL, $200,000, UH, BUDGETED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT TRAIL THAT I MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAT WE'LL CONNECT FER PARK TO, UH, VISTA AND SECOND STREET. WE'VE ALSO GOT SECOND AND COLTRANE INTERSECTION THERE. SO, UH, KIND OF CURRENTLY A BOTTLENECK WHERE IT, UH, NARROWS DOWN TO ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION JUST NORTH OF SECOND STREET. UH, SO THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THAT ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION AND HAVE IT WIDENED, UH, TO FOUR LANES. AND THEN WE'VE GOT $3 MILLION BUDGETED FOR SECOND AND BOULEVARD INTERSECTION. SO, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'RE HOPEFUL WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET SOME GRANT FUNDING ON. BUT WE'VE GOT 3 MILLION BUDGETED THAT WE'RE FULLY PREPARED TO USE AS SOON AS WE HEAR WORD ON, UH, THE LATEST ROUND OF GRANT SUBMISSIONS FOR THAT PROJECT. SO SOME CHALLENGES THAT ARE NOT UNIQUE TO THE CIP FUND, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF, BUT DECLINING OR FLAT REVENUE IS WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THE LAST FEW YEARS. UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE NOT DECLINING. THOSE ARE INCREASING GROWTH REQUIRES MORE MAINTENANCE. WE'RE A GROWING CITY, WE'RE GROWING MORE INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT DOES REQUIRE MAINTENANCE. UM, AND THEN COORDINATING THAT GROWTH WITH THE NEIGHBORING AUTHORITIES AND STATE AGENCIES THAT MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT US AND AFFECT OUR PLANS AS WELL AND THE RECOMMENDATION. SO, UH, THIS WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD BY VOTE OF SIX IN FAVOR TO ONE. OPPOSED. I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. BUT I'LL GIVE MY QUICK PERSPECTIVE ON THIS. UM, THANK YOU, BRAD. YEAH, THANKS PHIL FOR BEING HERE AS WELL. CIP CHAIR BACK THERE. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS HERE THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN IN WORK OR IN PLANNING FOR MANY YEARS. AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION OR MY POSITION SORT OF IS, LET'S FINISH THOSE OUT. A LOT OF 'EM ARE SMALL. MANY OF THEM ARE GRANT MATCHED, AND SO WE'RE LEVERAGING THE, THE DOLLARS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. I THINK WE FINISHED THOSE OUT. SO THE FY 27 BUDGET PLAN LOOKS GOOD TO ME. UM, AND THEN KIND OF SHIFT THE FOCUS AS YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY PLANNING ON. AND YOU CAN SEE IN A LOT OF THE PROJECTS SHIFT THE FOCUS OVER TO WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE ROAD CHALLENGES. UM, ONE COMMENT THAT MR. LAWRENCE MADE IN THE CIP MEETING, WHICH IS ONLINE BY THE WAY, IF YOU WANNA WATCH THESE VERY ENTERTAINING, UM, WAS THAT WE'RE SORT OF BANKING SOME RESERVES IN ANTICIPATION OF SOME OF THESE BIG INTERSECTION PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW ARE COMING. SO I THINK THAT'S WISE. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL HAVE MAYBE 12 MILLION THAT WE CAN HAVE IN, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR TO PUT TOWARDS THOSE THINGS. UH, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL. I AGREE WITH THE BUDGET AS, AS YOU GUYS HAVE IT AND AS THE BOARD APPROVED IT. APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK. THANKS. I HAVE ONE COMMENT. MAYOR, PLEASE. CHAIRMAN KLUTZ. THANK YOU. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ROLE [03:25:01] AND YOU DO THAT VERY WELL, MR. MURRAY. VERY GOOD. THANKS. YOUR HEART'S IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND YOU DO GOOD WORK. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND SOME COMMENTS. SURE. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT YOU JUST HEARD. UM, BRAD, YOU STEPPED IN HERE LESS THAN A YEAR AGO, LESS THAN SIX MONTHS AGO, I GUESS, ACTUALLY. YEAH. UM, WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND THE CIP BOARD, UM, ON THAT ITS PHASE FIVE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THERE'S POSSIBILITY OF GRANT DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. IT'S ALREADY GOT SOME GRANT FUNDING SECURED AND WE'RE LOOKING AT MAXIMIZING THAT. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER THING I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF, AND I'M LOOKING OVER AT MS. BATTERSON SINCE SHE IS THE WORLD FAMOUS GRANT, APPARENTLY WRITER, UH, WHO KEEPS ME OUTTA TROUBLE EVERY DAY ASKING ME IF I'VE GOTTEN ANOTHER PIECE OF PAPER TO SIGN FOR SOME GRANT . UM, I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR US TO REACH OUT TO THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND SEE IF THE STATEMENT THAT I HEARD AT THE US CONFERENCE OF MAYORS IS TRUE IS THAT ON SEVERAL OF THE PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT DOT HAS, THEY NO LONGER REQUIRE STUDIES. IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT READY TO BUILD, YOU CAN SKIP THE STUDY PROJECT TO GO RIGHT INTO GETTING MONEY FOR CONSTRUCTION . MM-HMM . YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN APPARENTLY A BIG PUSH FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TO STEP BACK FROM THAT. AND I HEARD IT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES WHILE I WAS IN WASHINGTON IN JANUARY. AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO REACH OUT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T GET SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT WOULD HELP US WITH THAT. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING HERE THROUGH THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE KEEP BUILDING BUILDINGS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO RUN THE BUILDINGS AFTER WE BUILD THEM. AND IN YOUR 2017 LIST, A COUPLE OF THE VERY EARLY ONES IS THE POLICE BUILDING AT THE LAKE FOR $5 MILLION AND REBUILDING FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE. AND I UNDERSTAND ON THAT ONE, THERE'D BE, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME MONEY IN THERE ON THE, THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE SIDE FOR THAT ONE. BUT THAT'S $8.5 MILLION. WE KEEP BUILDING BUILDINGS AND ALL I'VE HEARD FOR THE LAST, TO BE QUITE HONEST, THE LAST THREE AND A HALF MONTHS IS, WELL, THOSE WERE INCLUDED IN THE LIST WHEN WE APPROVED THE TAX IN 2016. AND YET IF THE SLIDE THAT YOU GAVE US IS THE ACTUAL BALLOT LANGUAGE, IT SAYS FOR NEW PROJECTS TO POTENTIALLY INCLUDE, IT DOESN'T SAY SHALL INCLUDE, IT SAYS POTENTIALLY. SO WHY IN THE WORLD IF OUR FOCUS HAS SHIFTED TO IMPROVING OUR ROADS INFRASTRUCTURE, ARE WE NOT SLOWING DOWN ON BUILDING BUILDINGS AND SHIFTING THAT FOCUS TO ROADS? AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A WORD OF ADVICE TO THE CIP BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT WAS NEVER MANDATED THAT WE BUILD THAT POLICE BUILDING. I'M NOT AGAINST THE POLICE OR THE FIRE, I'M JUST SAYING IF PRIORITIES HAVE CHANGED, LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO OPERATE NEW BUILDINGS. THAT'S PART OF OUR CHALLENGE. THAT'S PART OF OUR, THE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD WITH FRANK CRAWFORD WAS IF YOU'RE BRINGING MONEY IN, IF YOU DON'T SPEND ALL OF IT, YOU'RE IN A BETTER POSITION. AND WE'VE GOTTA GET ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE, OF THE LEDGER SHEET SO THAT WE CAN DO THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO. MAYBE WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT SMARTER ABOUT HOW WE ATTACK SOME OF THIS. SO I KNOW THAT AS WE GET PAST APRIL 1ST OF NEXT YEAR, THAT EVERYTHING SHIFTS ON THAT HALF CENT. YEAH. BUT I JUST QUESTION WHY WAIT, I MEAN, LET LET THE CIP BOARD HAVE AN HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO DO, KNOWING THAT IF THIS LANGUAGE IS CORRECT, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN THAT PATH. I MEAN, IT WAS A SURPRISE TO ME. 'CAUSE I, THIS WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS A SHALL SO. SO MARY, CAN I ASK TO THAT POINT, WOULD YOU, UH, ASSUMING AS PART OF THE BUDGET EXERCISE THAT LET'S SAY THE COUNCIL WOULD BE OF A MIND, UM, TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT AS MADE BY THE ADVISORY BOARD TONIGHT AS PART OF THE BUDGET, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WOULD WANT US AS A STAFF [03:30:01] TO REVISIT THOSE TWO ITEMS, IN PARTICULAR THE POLICE BUILDING AND, AND OR FIRE STATION THREE, OR JUST BUILDINGS IN GENERAL AND GO BACK TO THE CIP ADVISORY BOARD TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO REVISE THEIR RECOMMENDATION. I, I'D LIKE FOR THIS TO GO BACK TO THE CIP BOARD AND LET THEM HAVE A, A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. BECAUSE PRIOR TO ANY KIND OF ADOPTION PRIOR, PRIOR TO ADOPTION, BECAUSE OUR PRIORITIES AS A CITY HAVE OBVIOUSLY CHANGED AND WE KNOW WE'VE GOTTA REBUILD THAT FIRE STATION. WE KNOW THAT. BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRE FUND, IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THE POLICE FUND IS GOING, IS THIS REALLY THE TIME UNTIL OUR REVENUE GETS BACK ON TRACK? I MEAN, 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT SAYS WE HAVE TO DO IT. IF, IF THIS LANGUAGE IS WHAT WAS ON THE, THE BALLOT. CAN I I THINK FACT OH, OH, SORRY. NO, YOU GO AHEAD. WELL, MAY I ASK WHAT DOES WE JUST ASK VOTERS TO RENEW THE SALES TAX? DOES IT SAY SHALL BE USED FOR ROADS? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE COMPARISON? YOU KNOW, YES. IT SHALL BE USED FOR ROADS. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE 2017 SAYS IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE USED FOR, POTENTIALLY FOR, WELL, HAVE WE COMPLETED ALL THE OTHER POTENTIAL PRO PROJECTS? YES. EXCEPT THE UCO PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, WHICH UCO DIDN'T WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I THINK THE LAKE POLICE STATION'S, THE OTHER ONE, RIGHT? YEAH. THOSE TWO MM-HMM . WHEN'S THE CIP BOARD MEET? UH, IT'LL BE, YEAH, THIRD TUESDAY OF MAY. SO WHATEVER DATE THAT MAY IT'S THE 19TH. 19TH. THAT'D BE MAY 19TH. MAY 19TH. AND MAYOR AND COUNSEL, JUST TO ADD TO THAT AS KIND OF A TIMING OF, SORRY. GO AHEAD. UH, I, JUST TO ADD TO THE TIMING OF THAT, UM, AS CURRENTLY UNDERSTOOD, UM, WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET AT THE TUESDAY, UH, MAY 26TH MEETING. WE WILL HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE THAT TO THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR, UM, ABILITY TO LOOK THROUGH THE FULL THING AT LEAST FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING. AND THAT OPPORTUNITY ALSO HAS TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER A LITTLE BIT BEFORE. AND SO BY VIRTUE OF TIMING, IF WE WERE WANTING TO DO A CIP REVIEW BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE PROBABLY WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH CIP TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. SO WHAT DID THAT MEAN, ? WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE COULDN'T PROBABLY WAIT FOR THE REGULAR MEETING OF CIP. WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. WELL, MR. MAYOR, I, I THINK THAT NEEDS LOOKED AT. I DO, BUT I, WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND CHANGE SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW. CHAIRMAN CLUTCH SITTING OUT THERE, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT IT HERE LOOKING AT US TO APPROVE, TO BE PART OF THE BUDGET. THE POLICE ARE OUT THERE IN, UH, I THINK THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS OWN THAT BUILDING AND IT'S DAMN NEAR ABOUT TO FALL DOWN. MM-HMM . SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OUT THERE EVENTUALLY. UH, I DON'T WANT TO, I WANT TO REVISIT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO HOLD THIS THING UP TO NOT GET IT PREPARED FOR THE BUDGET 26TH. I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY TIGHT TIMELINE THERE. SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? MM-HMM . SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO A SPECIAL CIP MEETING TO ADDRESS THAT TOPIC, WHICH OUGHT TO BE LOOKED AT. STILL GOT THE SITUATION FOR THE COPS WORKING OUT THERE IN THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. AND MS. PANIS HAS GOTTA HAVE A BUDGET HEARING ON THE WHATEVER DAY IT IS. THAT KIND OF JUMBLES THINGS UP, I THINK. WELL, IT IT DOES. IT, IT DOES. AND I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, IF I KNEW THAT THAT CIP BOARD WAS GOING TO HAVE A, A MEETING AT SOME POINT AND LOOK AT ALL THIS AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE ACTUALLY SAID, INSTEAD OF WHAT STAFF, AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU BRAD, BUT WHAT STAFF HAS SAID IN THE PAST, UM, MIGHT CHANGE THE FLAVOR OF THE CONVERSATION. RIGHT. UM, MIGHT DELAY IT MIGHT RESIZE THAT BUILDING AT THE LAKE. MIGHT FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET FIRE STATION [03:35:01] THREE REBUILT. UM, I'M NOT NEARLY AS CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE STATION THREE GETTING REBUILT ON THE OPERATION SIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY OPERATING A STATION. NOW. I'M SURE IT WILL INCREASE SOME, BUT, UM, IT WON'T BE LIKE ADDING A WHOLE NEW BUILDING. UM, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF THIS LATELY, LOOKING AT WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. SO, SO I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE TWO OF YOU AND SAY, WILL YOU HAVE A MEETING? AND IF YOU WILL, WE CAN MOVE THIS THING FORWARD. BUT I WANTED THERE TO BE AN HONEST CONVERSATION. SURE. AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE ALL, AS A BOARD, UM, HAS GOTTEN, WHAT'S THE WORD, FEISTY LATELY. IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE IT? . IT'S FUN. . SO ARE WE GONNA ADOPT THIS TONIGHT AND THEN GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT AFTER A SPECIAL MI WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO HERE? I ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I THINK FINE IF CIP WANTS TO RE-LOOK AT THIS FOR 27, I THINK CONFUSION GETS MIXED IN WHEN, WHEN THEY TRY TO REDO WHAT'S ALREADY DONE FOR 26, MR. MAYOR. AND AS PRESTON SAID, WITH LEVERAGED MONEY WITH GRANTS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REDONE BY THEM. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE HAD A LIST OF PROJECTS WE WERE GONNA GO, DO WE HAVE A PLAN TO GO DO THOSE PROJECTS? STATION THREE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR 10 YEARS IS LIKE FALLING APART. THE THE LAKE BUILDING'S FALLING APART. WE HAVE A PLAN TO GO DO 'EM AS THE LAST TWO ITEMS, TWO BIG ITEMS ON THE 2017 THING BEFORE WE SHIFT OVER. I THINK WE NEED TO GET 'EM DONE. AND I THINK THAT'S BASED ON THE VOTE, THE SENTIMENT OF THAT CIP BOARD. I MEAN, MAYBE IF WE TELL THEM YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THAT, THEN THEY WOULD CHANGE THEIR MIND, BUT, WELL, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IF WE DO IT THIS WAY AND APPROVE IT TONIGHT, IT'S IN THEIR COURT ANYWAY. BUT I WANT THEM TO HAVE ALL THE FACTS. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S AT LEAST A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD THAT ARE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THESE WERE MANDATED BY THE BALLOT QUESTION AND NOT JUST POSSIBILITIES. WELL, SO THIS THE, WHAT BRAD PUT IN THE PRESENTATION FOR US, WHICH I APPRECIATE. THAT'S A MARKETING DOCUMENT AND IT'S, IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD THAT IT'S NOT A, IF YOU WANT TO OR YOU POSSIBLY CAN, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD THAT THESE ARE WHAT IS WHAT THE, THE VOTERS APPROVED. BUT THAT'S A MARKETING. ARE YOU, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE SITTING HERE SAYING, HERE ARE THE PROPOSITIONS THAT, THAT WE'RE BEING SHOWN HERE TONIGHT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS, MS. SAWYER? YEAH. UM, SO, SO THE WORD IS SHALL SHALL. OKAY. SO THEN WHAT WE'RE YEAH, THE ORDINANCE. SO THEN WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS A MARKETING SLICK THAT'S WRITTEN WRONG. SURE. WE WON'T DO THAT AGAIN. TRULY. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THAT'S IMPORTANT WORDS. YEAH. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT CAUSES CONFUSION FOR ALL OF US. YEAH. SO HERE WE'VE JUST SPENT, I'M GLAD YOU POINTED THAT OUT, BUT YEAH. YEAH. WE'VE JUST SPENT 20 MINUTES ON SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T NEED TO RANT AND RAIL ABOUT. RIGHT? . OKAY. WHAT DO YOU ALL WANNA DO WITH THIS? I BET BRAD WANTS TO SIT DOWN. , IS IT, IS IT, THIS WAS JUST INFORMATION, RIGHT? THERE'S NOT A, AN ACTION HERE. NO. THIS IS DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL. MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WHATEVER ITEM LINE. UH, WHAT IS THIS? 11. 11. JJ 11 J. MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 11 JI WILL SECOND IT. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ONTO ITEM [K. Presentation and Discussion of a Citywide Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Budget Summary. (Citywide)] 11 K PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION OF CITYWIDE FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 20 27. BUDGET SUMMARY. MS. PANIS. [03:40:01] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. KATHY PANIS, UH, DIRECTOR OF FINANCE DOING A RECAP OF WHERE WE ARE ON THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW. UM, LET'S SEE. IS THIS ON? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO IF YOU COULD ADVANCE TO SLIDE THREE. THANK YOU. UM, SO THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. $485,340,001. UM, IT INCLUDES EVERYTHING. THE WATER RATE INCREASES. THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT IN THERE RIGHT NOW ARE THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE IN TIME TO GET IN THIS BUDGET. UM, BUT BASICALLY THIS IS UP ABOUT 17.5% FROM LAST YEAR, MAINLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO CAPITAL PROJECTS AND UTILITIES. SO IF YOU COULD ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THIS THE APRIL 13TH WORKSHOP. UH, SINCE I DIDN'T PRESENT AT THE LAST ONE, I'VE GONE FROM THE APRIL 13TH, UH, WORKSHOP. THAT WORKSHOP WE DISCUSSED A $483 MILLION BUDGET. IT HAS CHANGED BY ABOUT 2 MILLION. AND WHAT IT IS, IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO ELECTRIC, WHO ADDED ABOUT LITTLE UNDER 800,000 TO THEIR BUDGET FOR PERSONAL SERVICES. AND, UM, THE, THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE EEDA ORIGINALLY, WE HAD THE WHOLE CONTRIBUTION IN THERE. AND SO WE'VE REDUCED IT BACK TO WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS THE AGREEMENT NOW. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT CHANGE A LITTLE BIT THERE. UM, FIRE DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF REDUCING THEIR BUDGET BY ABOUT $864,000. UM, AND SO THAT'S SHOWN. THEY JUST REVIEWED THEIR EXPENSES AND SOME OF THEIR EQUIPMENT, THAT TYPE OF THING. THEY FOUND SOME RETIREMENTS, THAT TYPE OF THING IN THEIR, UH, PERSONAL SERVICES THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THEIR BUDGET. WATER INCREASED BY ABOUT 312,000. AND THEN THE TWO ITEMS AT THE BOTTOM ARE, ARE NEW. WE HAD 1.4 MILLION BUDGETED IN UNCOMMON GROUND. UM, I'VE RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE UNCOMMON GROUND WON'T OPEN UNTIL, UH, LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER OF 2027, SO IT WON'T HAVE A FULL YEAR IN THERE. AND, UM, SO I PUT A PLACEHOLDER OF 400,000 IN THERE, THE ESTIMATE EARLY, EARLY ON FOR UNCOMMON GROUND MAINTENANCE. AND THE AGREEMENT WAS, UH, ABOUT 900,000 FOR MAINTENANCE AND ABOUT 500,000 FOR UTILITIES. SO THAT'S STILL WHERE WE'RE THINKING. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW FOR SURE, BUT JUST AS A PLACEHOLDER, THERE'S 400,000 IN THERE, WHICH REDUCED THE BUDGET OVERALL BY A MILLION. AND THEN THE VALE PARKWAY, WHICH, UH, MR. MURRAY JUST DISCUSSED, WAS ADDED SINCE OUR LAST WORKSHOP. SO THOSE ARE THE BIG ITEMS. SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN. UM, SO BASICALLY I'LL JUST KIND OF HIT THE HIGHLIGHT HIGHLIGHTS HERE. THE 17% INCREASE IN THE GOVERNMENTAL, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY BY DEPARTMENT. IT'S ALL OUR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, ALL OUR UTILITY FUNDS AND OUR OTHER ENTERPRISE. SO IN OUR GOVERNMENTAL, THAT INCLUDES GENERAL FUND SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, WHICH ARE GRANTS AND PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, CIP FUNDS AND INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. ALL OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN HERE. THE MAIN DRIVER OF WHAT HAS INCREASED FROM THE 168 TO THE 174 REALLY ARE, ARE CLAIMS. INSURANCE CLAIMS WENT UP ABOUT, UM, 2 MILLION. THE, THE OVERALL IS ABOUT 8 MILLION, BUT WE DID EVERY, IN EVERY CASE, THE PERSONAL SERVICES DID GO UP A LITTLE BIT. SO THAT PRETTY MUCH MAKES UP THE DIFFERENCE. WE MOVE ON TO, UH, EPWA, IT WENT UP ABOUT 36 MILLION AND, UH, THAT IS A RESULT OF ELECTRIC MAINTENANCE CHARGES WENT UP ABOUT 500,000 INCENTIVES OF 17 MILLION. AND, UM, THERE'S MORE WATER DEBT NOW. SO THE DEBT ALSO WENT UP IN THE OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS. IT WENT UP, NOT, NOT NEARLY AS MUCH, I GUESS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS, BUT BASICALLY C THE CITYLINK HAS INCREASED CONTRACT COSTS OF ABOUT 640,000. AND THERE WAS ALSO AN ACOG GRANT THAT WE BUDGETED FOR, FOR AROUND THREE, 300,000. SO THAT MAKES UP THE MILLION DOLLAR CHANGE. AND THEN OUR, UH, CAPITAL ITEMS, IT WENT UP ABOUT 28 MILLION WATERS AROUND 19, AND THE VALE PARKWAY WAS AROUND THREE. SO THAT'S THE HIGHLIGHTS OF, OF WHAT CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR. UM, IF WE GO ON TO SIX, THIS IS OUR SOURCES AND THE 17 MILLION AGAIN. SO BASICALLY, UM, THE, THE TOTAL REVENUES WENT UP ABOUT 1.79%. OVERALL GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, ABOUT 6.75%. [03:45:01] UH, FRANCHISE TAX WENT UP A LITTLE BIT. BUILDING HAD PERMITS AND LICENSING THAT WENT UP. COURT IS THE FINES AND FORFEITURES. UH, THAT'S WHAT MAKES UP MOST OF THAT. UH, THE, LET'S SEE, THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL IS BASICALLY ALCOHOL TAX GRANTS AND CIP GRANTS. THE, UH, CHARGES FOR SERVICES WENT UP MAINLY DUE TO RIGHT OF WAY, UH, CEMETERY AND CURB CUT FEES. AND THE CIP MISCELLANEOUS WENT UP. UM, THE CIP FUND WENT UP SOME FOR, UH, JUST, LET'S SEE, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PROBABLY, UH, LET'S SEE, MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE, UM, GEN GENERAL FUND ABATEMENT, RENTALS. UH, THE SROS WERE NOT IN THEIR, UH, SORRY, THEY WERE IN THERE, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE BUDGET IS THAT HAS GONE UP FOR 27. UM, LET'S SEE. EPWA, IT WENT UP ABOUT 28, 20 9% BASICALLY WATER, WATER, UM, AND DRAINAGE. ELECTRIC RATES WENT UP. UM, THE CHARGES FOR SERVICES, SORRY, I'M ON THE WRONG LINE. INTEREST WENT UP BECAUSE WE DO HAVE MORE DEBT SO THAT WE HAVE DEBT SITTING THERE. AND THE INTEREST EARNED ON THAT DEBT AS IT SITS IN THE FUND BALANCE HAS GONE UP. AND THE MISCELLANEOUS IS DUE TO ARCADIA AND ELECTRIC. WE GO DOWN TO THE OTHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS. UH, IT WENT UP ABOUT, LET'S SEE, 7.5%. CITI LINK, UH, HAD AN ACOG GRANT OF ABOUT 370,000. AND THE, UM, INTEREST ALSO WAS FOR GOLF. THEY HAVE A HIGHER FUND BALANCE, SO THEY GOT MORE INTEREST. UH, SO BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL THEN THAT STILL TOTALS THE 17.5% INCREASE. AND LET ME GO ON TO, I GUESS I'M ACTUALLY ON QUESTIONS. I HAD SOME OTHER NOTES. UM, WE DID INCLUDE WATER REVENUE OF ABOUT 53 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT WAS THE, THE INCREASED RATE CAUSED AND 28 MILLION IN WASTEWATER. SO, UM, CORY HAD MENTIONED SOME, THE TIMELINE ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND SO I THINK WE'RE STILL ON, ON A GOOD COURSE FOR THAT. BUT BASICALLY OUR DROP DEAD DATE IS MAY 12TH, AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE TO GIVE THE NOTICE TO THE CITY CLERK. SO IT'S REALLY WHEN EVERYTHING HAS TO BE FINISHED. SO A COUPLE, TWO TO THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, UH, MAY 17TH, THE BUDGET ITSELF, HOLD, HOLD THOSE TIMELINES THERE UNDER ITEM 11 OR ITEM L. OKAY. OKAY. SO LET'S DEAL WITH, OKAY, SO, SO MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT WAS, AND I ALREADY SAID NEGOTIATIONS, THE SETTLEMENT FOR NEGOTIATIONS OR AGREEMENT IS NOT IN THIS BUDGET, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS, SO YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WHAT? A FEW. OKAY. SO WILL THAT BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT ONCE THAT'S ALL SETTLED? YES. YEAH. OKAY. YES. UM, AND THEN YOU SAID YOU'RE ASSUMING SCENARIO 1D FOR WATER RIGHT NOW? YES. OPTION 1D FOR OUR LAST DISCUSSION. MM-HMM . OPTION 1D. UM, AND THEN I ASKED YOU BEFORE, BUT I FORGOT WHAT YOU SAID. IS IT, THIS IS UP TO DATE WITH LATEST SALES TAX AND EXPENDITURE OR CARRY OVER ESTIMATES? YES. YEAH, IT'S, UM, IT WAS BASED ON AN ANNUALIZED, WELL NOT ANNUALIZED, BUT THE SPENDING HABITS ANYWAY, SO YES, IT, IT, I UPDATED IT. OKAY. THE LAST CHECK THAT THE CLOSER WE HAVE, WE CREEP TO YEAR END, THE MORE INSIGHT WE HAVE ON UNDER RUNS, WHICH TURNED INTO CARRYOVER BALANCE. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. TRUE. BUT THIS IS THE LATEST THAT YOU KNOW, YES. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BASED ON OUR UH, APRIL CHECK. OKAY. AND THEN REMIND ME, UM, DOLLARS FOR 1% OF GENERAL FUND RESERVES. WHAT WAS THE NUMBER IT WAS AROUND? IT'S, IT'S LIKE 800 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS PER 1%. SO 850,000, BUT IT'S EIGHT 50. SO OUR FUND IS AROUND LIKE 7.9 I THINK. SOMETHING AROUND THERE. OKAY. THE, UM, I KIND OF WANNA LOOK AT, I MENTIONED THIS THE SAME MAJOR. I KINDA WANNA LOOK AT THE, REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THE FINANCE POSITIONS, THE NEW ONES LAST TIME. FOR THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER GENERAL FUND, CAN WE LOOK AT A PHASE IN OF THOSE TO TRY TO BUILD THAT RESERVE UP JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE? I MEAN, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE UNDER YES. GENERAL FUND VERSUS FIRE, POLICE OR WATER, WHATEVER. BUT YES, IF LIKE HALF OF THEM ARE GENERAL FUND, THEN WE PHASE THOSE IN. I DON'T THINK IT WAS HALF, BUT WE COULD DO THAT. OKAY. YEAH. AND THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT FOUR POSITIONS IN FINANCE AND THAT THAT ACTUALLY WAS A RESULT OF ADDING TWO COORDINATORS, BUT SUBTRACTING A BUDGET ANALYST IN WATER. SO IF IT DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE AT ALL, JUST TELL ME IT'S, BUT IF THERE'S, IF THAT GETS US A HUNDRED K MORE OR 200 OR WHATEVER, THEN THAT MOVES OUR 8.3 UP MAYBE TO 8.5 OR 8.6 IS WHAT I'M THINKING. [03:50:01] OKAY. YEAH. SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA REALISTICALLY PROBABLY BRING ON 10 PEOPLE AT ONCE ANYWAY. RIGHT. AND THEN, UM, CITI LINK, I KNOW WE SPENT SOME TIME ON THAT LAST TIME. I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THAT AT SOME POINT TO TALK THROUGH THE FINANCIAL DYNAMICS OF CLINK, WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THAT BUDGETING GUARDRAILS IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, OR JUST SOME OF THE DETAILS IN THAT MODEL THAT OPERATE LIKE FINANCIAL MODEL S WE CAN TURN, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO CHANGE THAT. I, WHAT YOU WANNA DO ON CITYLINK, HAVE A WORKSHOP. NOT RIGHT NOW, JUST LATER ON. NO, NO. BUT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THE FINANCIAL MODEL, THE REVENUE, THE EXPENDITURES. LOOK AHEAD A COUPLE YEARS. HOW MUCH SERVICE CAN WE PROVIDE? HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA SPEND? SOME OF THOSE BIGGER QUESTIONS, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. THAT SORT OF IS WHAT IT IS. BUT I THINK LONG TERM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON A SUSTAINABLE PATH. SO I THINK THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AS A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION. THAT'S ALL I HAD. OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN WE GO BACK TO SLIDE FIVE? THIS IS WHERE I SAY THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK MATT. THIS IS, YEAH, THANK YOU MATT. . THIS IS REALLY AND TRULY THIS FORMAT RIGHT HERE ACTUALLY SHOWS THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOLDING THE LINE, THIS IS WHERE YOU SEE IF WE'RE DOING IT OR NOT. AND WHAT WE HAVE ADOPTED RIGHT NOW AT 168.9 MILLION AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 174.8 MILLION. THAT'S NOT HOLDING THE LINE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME ABOUT REDUCING THE BUDGET BY $40 MILLION. AND YET WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THIS SHOWS, IT INCREASED 18 MILLION IN. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BEING ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS, SMART DECISIONS WITH THE REVENUE WE HAVE, UM, AND THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE OF IT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS HOW WE CLEAN UP THE WAY WE'RE DOING THESE TRANSFERS AND TRANSFERS OUT. BECAUSE PART OF OUR REVENUE THAT WE RELY ON IS WHAT WE'RE PULLING IN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNMENTAL PIECE, PULLING IN FROM EPWA. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW THAT AS, AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE CONTINUE TO GET BETTER, WE'VE GOTTA GET BETTER. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE ONE THING THAT, THAT I LOOK AT WHEN I SEE THIS IS SO HOW MUCH FUND BALANCE ARE WE USING IN GENERAL FUND TO BALANCE THIS BUDGET? I HAVE THAT ANSWER. WE ACTUALLY INCREASED GENERAL FUND BY 1.4 MILLION. SO I DID GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND EFFECT ON EACH ONE OF THESE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, YEAH, SLIDE FIVE, THE MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES WERE ACTUALLY DOWN 6.5% AND THAT IS MADE UP. GENERAL FUND WENT DOWN 10%. SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS WENT UP 3.6. THAT IS FROM GRANTS AND ASSET FORFEITURE THOUGH. SO THE GRANTS, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO SPEND THE GRANT. THE CIP FUND WENT UP 81% AND THAT WAS BASICALLY DUE TO PARK TAX, UM, CITY HALL BENCHES, STEVENSON PARK AND AC KAING OR, SO THERE WERE THREE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WERE FINISHED. AND EVEN THOUGH THAT IS MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES, THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH. AND THEN INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS WENT DOWN 13%. SO WE DID HAVE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, SOME OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, ARE RELATED TO PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FINISH. ANYWAY, THE, UM, OTHER SERVICES AND CHARGES WENT UP 8.84%. GENERAL FUND ACTUALLY WENT DOWN 0.04%. AND THAT WAS, UH, DUE TO PARK AND REC DECREASING STREETSCAPE FESTIVAL MARKETPLACE CEMETERY MAINTENANCE BY ABOUT 109,000. AND, UM, THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS WENT UP 3.09%. BUT THAT'S BASICALLY VISIT EDMOND THAT WENT UP IN THEIR OUTREACH AND THEIR EVENT SUPPORT. AND THERE WAS SOME, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING AND REPAIRS, CONTRACT SERVICES THAT WENT UP. AND THEN CIP FUND WENT UP 53.47% AND BASICALLY THAT WAS THE UNCOMMON GROUND AND WHEN I ADDED THE 400,000, IT CAUSED IT TO GO UP. SO IT JUST FALLS OUT SOMEWHERE. WE MAY NOT HAVE TO SPEND ANY OF THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON WHEN THE, WHEN THE PARK OPENS, THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS WENT UP 10%, BUT IT'S [03:55:01] BECAUSE OF INSURANCE CLAIMS THAT WENT UP 2 MILLION. IT CONTRACT SERVICES WENT UP ABOUT A MILLION AND THEN WORK COMP CLAIMS WENT UP ABOUT 300,000. SO OUR CLAIMS GOT US IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, AREA. BUT OVERALL, THE, THE GENERAL FUND DID DO MUCH BETTER ABOUT HOLDING THE LINE AND REALLY WATCHING COSTS THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR I SHOULD SAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SHALL WE MOVE [L. Discussion and Consideration of Remaining Timeline and Potential Topics for the Fiscal Year 2026-27 Budget Adoption Process and Budget Hearing. (Citywide)] ON TO 11 L AND JUST GIVE US THE TIMELINE WHAT WE GOT OKAY. LEFT TO WORK WITH HERE? YES. SO IF WE STILL WANNA ADOPT ON JUNE 9TH, WHICH, UM, WE, WE DO HAVE TILL THE END OF JUNE, BUT IF WE CAN STILL ADOPT ON JUNE 9TH, IF I CAN FIND IT, MAY 12TH WOULD BE OUR, OUR DEAD DEADLINE, WHICH IS A TUESDAY TO GET OUR NOTICE TO THE CITY CLERK SO HE CAN HAVE IT PUBLISHED AND THEN MAY 17TH. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE BUDGET TO HIM. SO THAT'S THE BUDGET MESSAGE AND ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, SUMMARIES. IT'S REALLY OUR BUDGET BOOK IS DONE. AND THEN MAY 26TH IS A HEARING AND THEN YOU WOULD ADOPT ON JUNE 9TH, WHICH IS TWO WEEKS REALLY I THINK. SO WE'D HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING READY FOR, UM, THE ADOPTION, LIKE ALL THE SLIDES, ALL THE STUFF YOU'RE GONNA DO BY THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY AFTER MAY 26TH. AND MAYOR COUNSEL, JUST TO REITERATE KIND OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT TIMELINE, UM, PART OF THAT PROCESS IS THE WEEK BEFORE THE BUDGET HEARING THE FULL BUDGET WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, BOTH ON OUR WEBSITE AND AT CITY HALL FOR INSPECTION. SO THAT'S PART OF THE TRANSPARENCY PROCESS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO MAY 12, THAT'S TUESDAY. WHAT ARE WE DOING NOTICE TO THE CITY CLERK, WHICH HAS TO BE PUBLISHED MAY 17TH, THE FULL BUDGET THAT'S FOR PUBLIC VIEW. MAY 26TH IS THE BUDGET HEARING. YES. AND THEN JUNE NINE WOULD BE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET. YEAH. SO I KNOW LAST YEAR IT CAME UP THAT MAY 26TH TO JUNE 9TH. IF ANY CHANGES ARE TO BE MADE, THEY CAN'T BE MADE THEN I WOULD AGREE. UNLESS WE DELAY THE ADOPTION. RIGHT. WE DON'T AND WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT. SO WHAT IS THE ONE DATE YOU'RE MISSING AND WHAT'S THE LAST DAY TO POSSIBLY CHANGE THE BUDGET IF WE WANT TO CHANGE IT? JUST ONE PENNY. WHEN'S THE LAST DAY WE CAN DO THAT? LET'S SEE, THIS IS THE 27TH MONDAY NEXT MONDAY. I MEAN AS FAR AS TO GET IT IN THERE AND GET IT DONE SO WE CAN SHOW IT TO YOU. UM, SHOOT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A MEETING. YEAH, FINE WITH ME. I'M JUST ASKING IN CASE THE DATES COME UP. I WANNA KNOW. I'D SAY NEXT WEEK. OKAY. YEAH. BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT TOGETHER. RIGHT. SO I THINK NOW IS THE TIME AND I'M GOOD. BUT CAN I ASK, UM, OKAY, SORRY. SO MAY 26TH, THAT'S A TUESDAY AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY, BUT YOU SAID JUNE 9TH. SHOULD I HAVE SAID, SHOULD I HAVE SAID THE EIGHTH? YES, IT'S A MONDAY. OKAY, WELL I'M JUST MAKING SURE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SORRY. IT'S THEIR, IT'S YOUR FIRST MEETING IN JUNE. PERFECT. SO THE BUDGET HEARING WILL BE DURING OUR REGULAR MEETING, THE INTENTION. OKAY, GOOD WITH ME. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. GOT THAT TIMELINE DOWN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD. LET'S GO. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MOVING ON. MOVING ON [12. Comments from the Mayor and Members of the City Council.] TO NUMBER 12, COMMENTS FROM THE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS? ANYONE JUST WORN OUT? READY TO GO? UH, THE NEXT TIME WE MEET IS MAY 11TH, BUT MAY FIR MAY IS BIKE MONTH. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE PUBLIC AND THE STAFF WHO ALREADY KNOW, AWARE ABOUT ALL THE ACTIVITIES AND UM, MY FAMILY WILL BE CELEBRATING AND WRITING LIKE WE NORMALLY DO AND MAYBE EVEN MORE. BUT, UH, JUST WANTED THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF THAT ALSO. THIS WEEKEND, YES, I'M HAVING AT, WHAT DAY IS IT? THIS WEEKEND IS THE EDMUND ARTS FESTIVAL. SO FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY. UM, JUST A GREAT TIME TO SPEND TIME WITH FAMILY [04:00:01] AND SHOP AND EAT AND BUY ART. LOOK AT ART, WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO. SO. ALRIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? I THINK I'VE TALKED ENOUGH TONIGHT. , YOU LOOKING FOR AN ADJOURNMENT MOTION? I AM. I GOT ONE. I I MOVE TO ADJOURN. SECOND. GOT A MOTION TO SECOND CAST YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.