* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING. WE [1. Call to Order of the Edmond Planning Commission.] WILL CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF TUESDAY, JUNE 2ND, 2026. AND FOLLOWING THE AGENDA WE WILL LOOK FOR A [2. Consideration of Approval of Planning Commission Regular Meeting Minutes: May 19, 2026.] CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 19TH, 2026. DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES? MAKE A MOTION. HEARD A MOTION, NO CHANGES. SECOND AND A SECOND BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO THAT IS APPROVED. AND MOVING ON DOWN [A. Case No. DD26-00002; Consideration of Approval for a Deed Certification for a property that is located on the northwest corner of Coffee Creek and Coltrane (Grubbs Consulting; Ward 2)] THE AGENDA TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. UH, NUMBER THREE, A CASE NUMBER DD 26 DASH 0 0 0 2 CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A DEED CERTIFICATION FOR A PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COFFEE CREEK AND COLTRANE IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES SIR. THANK YOU. AND MR. BRIAN, WE PRESENT? YES. THIS REQUEST WILL DIVIDE AN UN PLATTERED 9.7 ACRE PARCEL AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COFFEE CREEK AND COLTRANE INTO TWO PARCELS. ONE APPROXIMATELY 5.4 ACRES AND ONE APPROXIMATELY 4.3 ACRES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED DO SUBURBAN OFFICE, WHICH IS A ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAS NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADD TO CITY'S PRESENTATION? OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF CITY STAFF OR OF THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANYBODY IN THE CROWD WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? SEEING NONE. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE CLOSED. LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THIS AGENDA. ITEM THREE. MOTION TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND AND A SECOND BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO THAT IS APPROVED AND THAT IS FINISHED HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVING [B. Case No. PR25-00021; Consideration for a Final Plat Replat of Lot 1 Block 1 of Thomas Center II, located on the north side of Garage Drive, east of Thomas Drive. (Cedar Creek Inc; Ward 1)] ON TO THREE B. CASE NUMBER PR TWO FIVE DASH 0 0 0 2 1 CONSIDERATION OF A FINAL PLAT RE PLAT OF LOT ONE BLOCK ONE OF THOMAS CENTER TWO LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GARAGE AVENUE OR GARAGE DRIVE EAST OF THOMAS DRIVE IS THE APPLICANT HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. BRIAN. WE PRESENT? YES. THANK YOU. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS CASE IS 3.2 ACRES. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THOMAS DRIVE AND GARAGE DRIVE. THE RELA OF LOT ONE OF BLOCK ONE WILL CREATE A LOT FOR EACH OF THE FOUR EXISTING BUILDINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS OR DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADD TO THE CITY'S PRESENTATION? OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF OR THE APPLICANT OF THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE. PUBLIC COMMENTS, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS AGENDA ITEM SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE CLOSED. LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND MAKE A MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND AND A SECOND BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO THAT UH, IS APPROVED AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 22ND. THANK YOU. MOVING ON [C. Case No. PR26-00004; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval for a Preliminary Plat for Liberty Creek, located on the northwest and southwest corners of Coffee Creek and Sooner. (LTS Engineering Services LLC; Ward 2)] DOWN THE AGENDA TO CASE THREE C. CASE NUMBER PR 26 DASH 0 0 0 0 4 PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR LIBERTY CREEK LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHWEST CORNERS OF COFFEE CREEK AND SOONER. AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE. AND MR. BRIAN, DO YOU WANNA PRESENT? YES SIR. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 113 ACRES. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION PRIMARILY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COFFEE CREEK AND SOONER AND A SMALL PORTION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COFFEE CREEK WEST OF SOONER. THIS CASE IS ATYPICAL AND IT'S BEING HEARD BY PLANNING COMMISSION BUT DOES NOT YET CONFORM TO THE EXISTING ZONING. TO CLARIFY THIS SITUATION, WE HAVE TO RECALL SOME SPECIFIC DETAILS FROM THE PUD CALLED LIBERTY PARK EAST APPROVED IN 2023. THE PROPOSED PLAT INCLUDES MOST OF THE AREA IDENTIFIED AS TRACKS THREE AND FOUR IN THE PUD. THE PUD STATES THAT THE INTENDED THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO CREATE A VIBRANT HUMAN SCALE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT INCORPORATES A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND SUPPORTIVE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING COMMERCIAL OFFICE, LIVE WORK UNITS AND OPEN SPACE RECREATION AREAS. THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES NOT INCORPORATE A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND INSTEAD HAS MORE THAN 600 LOTS WHICH ARE THE SAME SIZE AND CO-LOCATED TOGETHER IN A SERIES OF ADJOINING BLOCKS. THERE ARE A FEW DOZEN LOTS IN THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE AREA IDENTIFIED AS EITHER TRIPLEX OR DUPLEX. HOWEVER, THESE LOTS ARE NOT CAPTURED IN THE LOT COUNT SHOWN ON THE PLAT, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR ONLY THE 620 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS. ADDITIONALLY, THESE TRIPLEX AND DUPLEX LOTS ARE NOT INCORPORATED INTO [00:05:01] THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT ARE INSTEAD ISOLATED IN A SMALL PORTION OF THE OVERALL AREA. THE PUD STATES THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL PRIORITIZE IN ORDER CHILDREN WALKING AND BIKING, PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND AUTOMOBILES. TO ACHIEVE THIS PRIORITIZATION, A NETWORK OF NARROW STREETS AND ALLEYS IS REQUIRED. AS DETAILED IN THE DESIGN STATEMENT, THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES NOT UTILIZE ALLEYS AND INCLUDES STANDARD STREET WIDTHS ARRANGED IN LONG BLOCKS ACCORDING TO THE PUD, FLEXIBILITY IN THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS AND LOTS TO PROVIDE A MORE DISTINCT WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT IS CRITICAL. SINCE THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT LACKS, THESE DESIGN DETAILS IS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE APPROVED PUD. FINALLY, IN TERMS OF LOTS, THE PUD ESTABLISHES THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND TRACKS THREE AND FOUR AT 478. THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT INCLUDES 620 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS, WHICH EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY 142. IN TERMS OF OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION AREAS, THE INTENT OF THE PUD IS TO PROVIDE A VARIETY OF OPEN OR SHARED SPACES INCLUDING YARDS, COURTS, AND PLAZAS THAT ARE INCORPORATED THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND ARE ESSENTIAL AND MAJOR ELEMENTS THAT AFFECT THE LONG-TERM VALUE OF THE HOMES AND OTHER USES THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES NOT INCORPORATE SHARED OPEN SPACES. THESE CONCEPTS WERE THE PRIMARY FEATURE HIGHLIGHTED DURING THE PUD OF APPROVAL PROCESS AND ARE CLEARLY DOCUMENTED IN THE DESIGN STATEMENT. FOR THIS REASON TO SUMMARIZE, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT SINCE IT DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE LIBERTY PARK EAST PUDZ 23 DASH 0 0 15. BASED ON THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS, LACK OF A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL LOT SIZES AND ASSOCIATED HOUSING TYPES, STREET AND ALLEY LAYOUT AND CONFIGURATION DO NOT PRIORITIZE USERS AS REQUIRED NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED AND LACK OF FUNCTIONAL OPEN SPACES INCORPORATED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. HAPPY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. MR. BRYANT, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO PRESENT? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO IF ANY POINT IN TIME WHEN I START READING AND YOU GO, OKAY, WE GOT THREE VOTES, JUST LEMME KNOW AND I'LL STOP. OKAY. I'M DAVID LAMBETH, I'M ONE OF THE CO APPLICANTS WITH LTS ENGINEERING AND I HAVE THE OWNERS AND THE AUTHORS OF THIS PUD UH, SCOTT MCGREGOR AND NATHAN WALTERS ARE, UH, WITH US THIS EVENING. UH, WE SPENT SOME TIME TOGETHER OVER A YEAR AGO TALKING THROUGH WHAT I HAD DONE AT EAST FORK, WHAT I WAS WORKING ON AT WEST FORK AND WHAT THEIR OVERALL IDEALS WERE FOR, YOU KNOW, LIBERTY PARK AND, AND MOVING ON. AND, UH, WE STARTED WORKING TOGETHER. SO JUST A LITTLE BACKSTORY, UH, DID SOME HOMEWORK ON PUDS AND LEARNED THAT THEY WERE INTRODUCED IN 1949 AND IT WAS POST WORLD WAR II. AND I THINK THIS IS A NEAT STORY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SO RELEVANT TODAY, WHICH IS WE'D SPENT SOME TIME OVER IN EUROPE DURING WORLD WAR II AND THESE MEN CAME BACK AND THEY WERE READY TO GO BACK TO WORK AND THEY'D SEEN THE STRUGGLES OF NEEDING TO CREATE AN ECONOMIC BASE. AND SO ANYWAY, THEY UH, THEY LEARNED HOW TO PUT TOGETHER PUDS. BUT YOU KNOW, THEY SPENT THE ENTIRE 1950S REALIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ONLY POSSIBLE AFTER THEY HAD ALL OF THEIR HOUSING TYPES BUILT. AND, AND I THINK THE THING THE SAME COULD BE SAID TODAY. WE NEED PLANNED GROWTH AND AN ECONOMIC BASE INTEGRATED ALONGSIDE THAT GROWTH THAT SUPPORTS A COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS. WE THREE LOCAL LAND DEVELOPERS KINDLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR LIBERTY CREEK. THE ENTIRETY OF THIS PLAT LIES WITHIN SUM OF TRACKS THREE AND ALL OF TRACK FOUR WITHIN THE LIBERTY PARK EAST POD. OUR APPROACH WAS DRIVEN BY WEEKS OF DISCUSSION AND RESEARCH WITH NATIONAL RETAIL DEVELOPERS. REAL ESTATE DATA PROVIDED BY CUSHMAN AND WAKEFIELD, THE EDMOND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND AREA STAKEHOLDERS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF 2018 IDENTIFIES MIXED USE CAMPUS ON ROUGHLY 750 ACRES THAT CONNECT BETWEEN COLTRANE AND AIR DEPOT FROM WEST THE EAST AND COVALDAS OREGON MILL, SOUTH TO NORTH. IF COUNCIL APPROVES THE WEST FORK PUD ON 6 8 26, NEARLY ALL OF THIS LAND WOULD BE ZONED BY NATHAN WALTERS, SCOTT MCGREGOR AND MYSELF. LTS ENGINEERING IS IN FACT PLATING AND ENGINEERING ALL OF THIS LAND EXCEPT FOR THE 88 ACRES OF LIBERTY PARK. CURRENTLY, CERA LAND IS CONTRACTED TO DO HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT FOR NEARLY 40% OF THE 750 ACRES AND WILL MOST LIKELY BE INVOLVED WITH THE REMAINING DIRT IN A CUTTHROAT ENVIRONMENT. THE REAL ESTATE IS WE HAVE A RARE FEET UNFOLDING WHERE A MINIMUM OF FIVE SEPARATE COMPETING ORGANIZATIONS ARE IN UNISON ROOTING ON THE SUCCESS [00:10:01] OF ONE ANOTHER. SO OUR RESEARCH CAME TO BASIC CONCLUSION. IF YOU WANT RETAIL COMMITMENTS, YOU NEED PLANNED DENSITY WITHIN THIS PROVEN EDMOND MARKET WE, I IDENTIFIED THE MOST SUBURBAN AREA OF THE 750 ACRES AND WE LOOKED FOR A HOUSING TYPE THAT WAS NOT BEING UTILIZED WITHIN A THREE MILE RADIUS. WE CHOSE A TYPE THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT VARIETY AS AN EXTENSION OF WHAT LIBERTY PARK HAS PLOTTED AND DENSITY THAT WE FELT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS. BY DOING SO, WE CHALLENGED THIS DEVELOPMENT TO EXTEND OVER 5,000 FEET OF SANITARY SEWER AND THREE TO 4,000 FEET OF WATER THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE LIBERTY PARK EAST PUT. AS A RESULT, ALL OF THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES ALONG CENTER ROAD, WE'LL HAVE UTILITY CONNECTIONS IMMEDIATELY AND NOT YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AFTER LEGAL BATTLES OF WHO'S RESPONSIBLE TO PAY FOR IT. WE PROVIDED A LONG RANGE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT EXPLORES GROWTH AND IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND 2040 WHILE INCLUDING ALL 750 ACRES OF THE MIXED USE CAMPUS. WITHIN THE STUDY WE EXAMINED HOW OTHER CITY PROJECTS MIGHT AFFECT THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND EVEN LIMIT THEIR ABILITIES. WE'VE OFFERED TRADER JOE'S FREE LAND, WE'VE OFFERED LAND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE EMPLOYMENT SECTOR TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE EEDA AND I'LL TELL YOU THE EMPLOYMENT SECTOR THAT THAT IS NOT A SEXY INDUSTRY, IT'S JUST NOT, BUT IT'S NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DREAM OF A MIXED USE CAMPUS WORK. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST CREATING GREAT PLACES THAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING TO AND FROM AND, AND I THINK WE ALL MUTUALLY HAVE A COMMITMENT TO HOW CAN WE BRING IN GOOD PAYING COMPANIES THAT COMPLIMENT THESE BLUE COLLAR TO WHITE COLLAR HOMES AND, AND AND ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLOT THAT IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THERE ARE PUBLISHED STATEMENTS HERE BY STAFF THAT WE WISH TO EXAMINE AND DEFEND IN ORDER TO WEIGH THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND TO GIVE THIS BODY ALL NECESSARY FACTS TO MAKE A DECISION FOR OR AGAINST. THE THEME SURROUNDING THIS PLOT SUBMISSION IS THIS TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME. SO MY HOPE IS BY THE END OF THIS HEARING WE CAN FIND COMMON GROUND TO REMOVE THE BARRIERS OF PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS. BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND I APOLOGIZE, I JUST, I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIS RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN, AND THEN ANSWER THOSE 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S NECESSARY. HE SAYS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT EXCEEDS THE ALLOWED NUMBER OF LOTS BY 142 ON PAGE FOUR OF THE PUD, IT STATES THAT ALL FOUR TRACKS ARE PROPOSED. PAGE FIVE THAT IT REFERS TO IS A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT. ANY CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT, THE WORDS IN BOLD STATE DRAFT AND PROGRESS ONLY, IN OTHER WORDS UNOFFICIAL. THE ANTONYM OF PROPOSED BY DEFINITION IS ACTUAL OR DEFINITE TO DENOTE SOMETHING REAL EXISTING OR CONFIRMED RATHER THAN JUST AN IDEA. THE ALLOWED NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS IS ACTUALLY DEPENDENT UPON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS AND HOW THOSE DWELLING UNITS ARE USED WITHIN AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL LOT. THE PLUG PAGE 11 LISTS THE ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT P SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING WITH OR WITHOUT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS LISTED AS P FOR TRACKS ONE, TRACK TWO, TRACK THREE AND TRACK FOUR. PAGE 13 OF THE FLOOD STATES THAT TRACK THREE IS 70.38 ACRES AND WILL HAVE NO MORE THAN 16 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. TRACK FOUR HAS 80.58 ACRES AND WILL HAVE NO MORE THAN 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THEREFORE IN TRACKS THREE AND FOUR, A COMBINED TOTAL OF 2092 DWELLING UNITS ARE THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED BY THE ORDINANCE BASED ON TRACK FOUR ALONE WE ARE 346 DWELLING UNITS SHY OF THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED IN TRACK FOUR. SECOND THING, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT LACKS INTEGRATION OF LOT VARIETY AS REQUIRED BY THE PUD AND THERE'S BEEN A COMMON THEME AMONGST OUR COMMENTS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS WHERE WE'VE HEARD THE INTENT AND WHAT'S REQUIRED. BUT WHEN YOU READ THE DOCUMENT AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAS BEEN CODIFIED, THERE'S VERY LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY REQUIRED AND THE ONLY REQUIREMENT THAT I CAN FIND IS JUST DEVELOP IT. SO MY RESPONSE IS VARIETY OF LOT SIZES ENCOURAGED ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE PUT. AT NO POINT IN THE DOCUMENT IS IT REQUIRED. IN FACT, PAGE NINE STATES THAT THIS DISTRICT, SPEAKING OF THE PUTT IS TO PROVIDE FOR SMALL AND LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS INCORPORATING A SINGLE TYPE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE OR A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL SUCH DEVELOPMENT MAY CONSIST OF INDIVIDUAL LOTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE OR IT MAY HAVE COMMON BUILDING SITES. STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE URBAN STYLE HIGHER DENSITY NATURE REQUIRED BY THE POD. I AGREE WITH THE ASSESSMENT. IF THIS PLAT WAS ALONG THE FAIRFAX BORDER IN TRACK ONE OR EVEN ALONG SOONER [00:15:01] NEAR CREST AS THAT IS A MORE REALISTIC QUOTE URBAN AREA, I MEAN LOOK AT THE DENSITY THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY PACKED IN, UH, AROUND SHOWBIZ. THAT IS A, A MORE URBAN AREA AND THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IF WE LOOK AT THAT AND SAY WE'RE IDENTIFYING THESE AS MORE HIGHER ACTIVITY URBAN AREAS WHERE RESTAURANTS ARE GOING AND WHERE CITY COMMITTED MONEY IS GOING, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA HAVE A QUOTE GRACEFUL TRANSITION OFF OF IT. SO AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE IDENTIFIED THE LEAST VALUABLE LAND THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM THAT URBAN CENTER, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE LEGACY AT COBELL HAS PLANNED IN THE COMP PLAN AND, AND IN THE 2050 PLAN. AND WE'RE LIKE, THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS FAR AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE URBAN CENTER. THE LOCATION OF THE PLAT IS PROPOSED, IS RURAL AS IT SITS TODAY AND BARELY EVEN SUBURBAN IN NATURE EVEN AFTER BEING DEVELOPED ON THE WEST AND SOUTH SIDES. THE NORTH AND EAST ARE LARGE AGRICULTURAL AREAS AND COULD EASILY REMAIN THAT WAY IN PERPETUITY. ALSO, IT IS QUITE THE QU THE QUANDARY THAT WE HAVE NOT MET THE EXPECTATIONS OF A HIGHER DENSITY REQUIREMENT YET THEY'VE ALSO STATED THAT WE EXCEED THE ALLOWED RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT HONESTLY. NUMBER FOUR, THE PRELIMINARY PLOT DOES NOT INCORPORATE OPEN SPACE RECREATIONAL AREAS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. WE ADDED A TRAIL SYSTEM THAT WAS NOT IN THE EDMOND PLAN TO FURTHER THE ACCESS AND INCLUSION TO THE MASTER TRAIL PLAN. BY DEFINITION IN THE EDMOND PLAN, OPEN SPACE 4.3 0.3, WE PROVIDED VERBATIM THE DESCRIPTION AND CONTEXT, LARGE AREAS APPROPRIATE FOR UNMODIFIED NATURAL LANDS, FLOODPLAINS, LARGE PARKS PLOTTED COMMON AREAS LARGER THAN A FEW ACRES THAT PROVIDED MULTIPLE BENEFITS. STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, RECREATION, TREE PRESERVATION, INTERCONNECTED HABITATS, ET CETERA TO NEARBY AREAS AND MAJOR TRAIL SYSTEM COMPONENTS. WE LITERALLY COVERED 90% OF THE DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT OPEN SPACE IS YET AGAIN. AND AGAIN, THE IDEA OF THE QUOTE OPEN SPACE IS CRITICIZED AND, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT. THIS IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THERE ARE PUBLISHED CLAIMS MADE BY THE STAFF THAT WE STRONGLY WISH TO DEFEND AND AGAIN, IN ORDER TO WEIGH THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND THEY GIVE THIS BODY ALL NECESSARY FACTS TO MAKE A DECISION FOR OR AGAINST. AND I'LL PARAPHRASE THIS, UM, IT STATES THAT AS PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS NOT SHOWN AN INTEGRATED VARIETY OF LOT SIZE OR HOUSING TYPES, EVEN ACCOUNTING FOR A SMALL PORTION OF THE LOTS IN FAR SOUTHWEST, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. UM, MY QUESTION IS FLEXIBILITY REQUIRED OR ALLOWED DENSITY REQUIRED OR LIMITED TO, 'CAUSE STILL TO THIS DAY WE'RE TAKING THE DOC DOCUMENT FOR WHAT IT SAYS AND THE PLAIN ENGLISH IN IT AND WE, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, THE FLEXIBILITY WAS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR THE DEVELOPER OR IF IT WAS FOR THE CITY TO INTERPRET HOW TO ENFORCE NUMBER TWO AS PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE P DESIGNATED TRACK THREE URBAN COMMERCIAL OR TRACK FOUR URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, ET CETERA. AND THEN IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THE, THESE TWO TRACKS WHICH ABIDE BY USES IN THE BUY RIGHT ZONING DISTRICTS OF CENTRAL BUSINESSES, CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT RESPECTIVELY. YOU KNOW, I I SAID THIS TO KEN IN A COUPLE OF EMAILS AND, AND TO BECCA AND THE REST OF 'EM, THE WAY I LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THESE LEGAL BINDING ORDAINED DOCUMENTS IS TRACKS 1, 2, 3 AND FOUR ZONE PUTT. THAT'S WHY WE CREATE 'EM AND HOW CAN WE PLOT THEM? HOW CAN WE PLAN THEM WHAT'S INSIDE THAT DOCUMENT? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO FALL BACK ON. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S REAL OR TRUE THAT SOMEBODY COULD COME IN HERE AND RESPONSIBLY DEVELOP. WE GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING LEGAL THAT WE CAN FALL BACK ON. AND, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL REFERENCES WITHIN AND AND, AND AGAIN THIS KIND OF FALLS BACK ON TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME. MY INTERPRETATION AND, AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL CALL OUTS WITHIN THE P OF THESE ARE URBAN COMMERCIAL URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. THESE ARE ESSENTIAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, THESE ARE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS MIXED USE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TRACK ONE THROUGH FOUR, BUT I JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT IT ON THE MERITS AND JUST SAY IT'S PUD. I BELIEVE THAT THIS ASSESSMENT CONTRADICTS PAGE SIX, THE ADMIN PLAN DESIGNATION IS SUBURBAN INFILL 4.3 0.8. THEN IT SPELLS OUT THE INTENT OF 4.3 0.8. AND ODDLY ENOUGH, TWO OF THE RED DISTRICTS WITHIN 4.3 0.8 ARE CBD CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. BUT THEN WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE ALSO [00:20:01] URBAN COMMERCIAL AND URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THIS IS ALSO A MIXED USE CAMPUS. AND SO I, I MEAN I THINK FOR ANYONE, EVEN THE STAFF TRYING TO INTERPRET THAT, I MEAN I THINK, I THINK IT REALLY IS CONFUSING, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S LIKE WELL WHAT ARE THE PERMITTED USES BY RIGHT? AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENT THAT HAS BEEN ORDAINED IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT, THE DENSITY THAT'S ALLOWED IS PERMITTED BY, RIGHT. IT SAYS EACH OF THESE TRACKS LIMIT THE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TO 16 AND 12 RESPECTIVELY, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN 5.46 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. PROPOSED OF THE PLOT THOUGH THE PROPOSED DENSITIES WITHIN THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED THE INTENT FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN TWO TRACKS IS TO BE A HIGHER DENSITY URBAN STYLE AND HIGHLY AND IS HIGHLY RELEVANT TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE PUTT. ADDITIONALLY, TRACKS THREE AND FOUR ALLOW MAXIMUM OF 4 78 UNITS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AGAIN, YOU KNOW THOUGH YOU'RE DOING WHAT'S ALLOWED, YOU MISS THE INTENT, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AGAIN AND AGAIN, THEY JUST, THEY DON'T EXIST IN THE DOCUMENT. THERE'S NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT FOR THAT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THAT BECAUSE I JUST, I HAVE TO CALL THAT OUT AS A FALSEHOOD. NUMBER FOUR, AS PROPOSED. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES NOT INCORPORATE AMENITIES SUCH AS OPEN SPACE AND RECREATIONAL AREAS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S QUITE INSULTING THE PROPOSED ATTENTION PONDS SHOWN THROUGHOUT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED OPEN SPACE RECREATION AREA DETENTION PONDS AND OUR FLOODPLAINS ARE BY DEFINITION IN THE EDMOND PLAN OPEN SPACE 4.3 0.3. HOW COULD YOU SAY THE PLAT DOES NOT INCORPORATE OPEN SPACE IN THE NEXT SENTENCE, SAY THAT TWO LARGE RECREATIONAL AREAS ARE INCLUDED BUT DO NOT CONFORM WITHIN THE POD. I MEAN IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO DO WE HAVE OPEN SPACE OR DO WE NOT, ARE WE PLANNING IN PARKS OR WE DO WE NOT? NUMBER FIVE STAFF HELD MULTIPLE MEETINGS REGARDING THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THE APPLICANT BEGINNING SUMMER 2025 TO WHICH IT WAS COMMUNICATED WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY THE LIBERTY PARK. EAST PUTT SELF STAFF HELD ONE MEETING IN THE SUMMER OF 2025 FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT MEETING. AT THE MEETING WE PROVIDED A PLOT THAT COMPLI CONTEMPLATED THE ENTIRE QUARTER SECTION AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE BASED ON THE DOCUMENT WHAT WE HAD READ, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS ALLOWED. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE USES AND IT SAYS WELL YOU CAN HAVE A SINGLE TYPE OR A VARIETY, BUT ALSO ALL THESE COMMERCIAL THINGS, IT WAS LIKE, WELL NO WE CAN'T DO THAT 'CAUSE 'CAUSE LIKE I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IF, IF WE THOUGHT WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT, I MEAN THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD WAS JUST BRINGING YOU GUYS TWO QUARTER SECTIONS THAT HAD 30 AND 40 FOOT LOTS COVERING THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE AREA. AND SO THE FACT THAT WE BACKED OFF OF THAT AND PLOTTED ROUGHLY 90 OUTTA 317, YOU KNOW, I SAID ALL ALONG, HEY I'LL PROVIDE, I'LL PROVIDE THE, THE ADDITIONAL PLOTS WE'RE DOING FOR THE OTHER STUFF. BUT HAD WE THOUGHT THAT WE COULD DO THAT, WE WOULD'VE JUST DONE IT. SO ANYWAY, AFTER UH, WE BROUGHT THAT IN THE SUMMER 2025 STAFF WAS FIRM ON THEIR DISDAIN FOR THE, FOR THE SAID PLAT AND WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. NUMBER SIX, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN RELUCTANT TO MAKE MEANINGFUL CHANGES TO MORE CLOSELY ACHIEVE THE INTENT OF THE PUD AND ADHERE TO ITS ENTITLEMENTS, INCORPORATE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR ATTEMPT TO APPLY FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM THE CURRENT DESIGNATION, MAKE MEANINGFUL CHANGES LIKE CUTTING 33% OF THE DENSITY FROM TWO SEPARATE PLOT SUBMISSIONS WITH STAFF FIVE MONTHS BEFORE IT WAS EVEN SUBMITTED. WE MADE MEANINGFUL CHANGES. WE ADHERED TO ALL 20 OR 30 RECOMMENDATIONS THAT AUSTIN'S OFFICE GAVE US. AND I MEAN HE CAN BEAR WITNESS THAT JOEL AND BRAD WORKED WITH HIM DILIGENTLY TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING EVEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NO STREET PARKING IN ORDER TO KEEP THIS SAFER AND THEN US COMMITTING TO PUTTING NO STREET PARKING IN THE HOA AND AND AND SIGNAGE ON THE STREETS. IS THAT CORRECT ON THE SIGNAGE? THE STAFF HAS BEEN RELUCTANT TO RESPOND TO EMAILS AND DOCUMENTS. I SPENT HOURS PUTTING TOGETHER FOR REVIEWS. THEY DEC DECLINED TO RESPOND TO MEETING REQUESTS. ABSOLUTELY UNWILLING TO CONSIDER ANY OUTSIDE OPINION OR INTERPRETATION OF THE P DOCUMENT, ESPECIALLY INVOLVING THE GENTLEMAN THAT AUTHORED IT. HERE'S AN EX EXCERPT I SENT TO FOUR MEMBERS OF STAFF, 10 28 25. AND I THINK THIS IS HIGHLY RELEVANT AND I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO HEAR THIS, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW YOU HAVE TO SEE THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT ALSO NOT JUST THE INTENT OF THE DOCUMENT BECAUSE I SPELLED THIS OUT PLANNING CLEARLY MONTHS BEFORE IT WAS EVEN ACCEPTED AND THIS WAS NEVER RESPONDED TO. NOT A SINGLE PERSON. THE STAFF RESPONDED BACK TO ME, I SAID WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WRAPPING UP THE SINGLE FAMILY PORTION FOR THE LIBERTY PARK EAST ZONED AREAS NORTH AND SOUTH COTH CREEK WEST OF SOONER. THERE'LL BE ONE AREA APPLIED FOR SINGLE FAMILY TOLLING AROUND 90 ACRES OF PLOTTED LOT AREA. THE REMAINING LAND PORTIONS WILL BE, WILL UTILIZE ALL THE OTHER ZONING TYPES WITHIN THE PUD MASTER DESIGN [00:25:01] STATEMENT. THIS PROPERTY WAS STRETCHED OVER COFFEE CREEK ROAD INVOLVING TWO SEPARATE QUARTER SECTIONS OF ZONE SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH LANGUAGE THAT REACHES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. WE'RE GONNA PLAT OUR 20% TREE CANOPY ON BOTH SIDES OF COFFEE CREEK AND WE'RE GONNA PLAT AND FILE OFFSITE UTIL EASEMENTS ACROSS BOTH QUARTER SECTIONS AS WELL. GIVEN THAT THIS WILL BE THE ONLY ZONING TYPE WITH TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WISE TO IDENTIFY AND PLOT AND RECORD THOSE AREAS NOW TO PREVENT ANY UNNECESSARY NEED FOR PLANTING A FOREST AREA LATER. IF MY TOTAL PLOT OF LIGHTS WAS STREETS TOTAL PLOTTED LOTS WITH STREETS IS EQUAL TO A HUNDRED ACRES, THEN I NEED 25 ACRES OF APPROVED TREE PRESERVATION WITH A GOOD SOLID TREE CANOPY OVER THAT 25 ACRES TO MEET THE 20 20% REQUIREMENT. AVA WAS SO KIND TO PROVIDE US WITH THE AREAS NORTH OF COFFEE CREEK THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AREAS TO PLOT THE TREE ORDINANCE FROM ZACH SENDING AN AERIAL TO AVA TO DO THE SAME THING FOR THE QUARTER SECTION TO THE SOUTH. I THINK THAT THE MATH WORKS OUT TO WHERE WE WILL NEED 15 ACRES MORE OR LESS TO TREE CANOPY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SOUTH OF TRACK ONE, WHICH IS JUST FLOODPLAIN. I USED AN EXAMPLE, I SAID WOODLAND PARK HAD AN ACREAGE TOTAL THAT WAS STRETCHED ACROSS MULTIPLE STREETS AND ACRES AND YET IT'S 98% SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. HOWEVER, THERE'S ROUGHLY 400 ACRES THAT MAKE UP LIBERTY PARK AND ONLY 30% WILL BE PLATTED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE UTILIZE ALL UNBUILDABLE AND LESS DESIRABLE AREAS TO PLOT TREE PRESERVATION AND TREE CANOPY AS THE REMAINING 317 ACRES THAT IS ZONED AS LIBERTY PARK AND NOT PLATTED. IT'S LOSING. WE ARE LOSING 18% OF LAND TO EASEMENTS AND RIGHT OF WAYS WE'RE LOSING 20% OR MORE TO FLOOD PLAIN, FEDERAL AND CITY. SO IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE UTILIZE THE PRECIOUS DIRT WE HAVE ALONG COFFEE CREEK ROAD AND SOONER ROAD FOR UNIQUE HOUSING TYPES AND COMMERCIAL CELLS BECAUSE LIKE I REMIND AND REITERATE TO MY HATERS, I'M A PLATINUM ZONE, 95 ACRES, BUT I STILL HAD TO PAY FOR ALL 160 FURTHERMORE BEFORE ZACH GETS WITH DAVID TO, I IDENTIFY ACCEPTABLE CANOPY AROUND THESE TRACKS AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE CITY PLANNERS AND URBAN FORESTRY COULD CHIME IN TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTAND THE ROUTE WE ARE TAKING TO COMPLY WITH THE TREE ORDINANCE. SO I MEAN, I I I SPELLED OUT, HERE'S MY INTENT, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON AND NOBODY RESPONDS. NOVEMBER I SPOKE WITH AUSTIN, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE I MEAN IF YOU GUYS CAN'T TELL BY THIS, I DO CARE. I CARE VERY MUCH. THIS IS MY CITY AND YOU KNOW, I SENT OUT A LETTER TO EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD IN THE CITY OF EDMOND AND 75 DAYS LATER AUSTIN RESPONDS BACK. THE ONLY ONE YOU KNOW AND THAT IS WHY WE DIDN'T EVEN GET IT SUBMITTED UNTIL FEBRUARY WAS BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING TO SEE HOW TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC, HOW TO DO EVERYTHING RIGHT. BUT ALL THAT TIME WAS PASSING BY AND HERE I HERE THIS EMAIL WAS, AND HERE THIS INFORMATION WAS WITH STAFF STATING EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE DOING AND THERE WAS NO RECOMMENDATION SAYING, OH Y'ALL SHOULD DO A PLAN MAP AMENDMENT. OH YOU HAVE TOO MUCH DENSITY. OH YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OPEN SPACE. THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT CAME TO LIGHT IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS BECAUSE ALL I'VE HEARD FOR MONTHS IS THIS DOESN'T CONFORM TO THE PUD, YOU'RE NOT DOING WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE PUD. ANYWAY, SO I SAID AGAIN, WHY DID STAFF WAIT FOR A YEAR TO ACCEPT THIS, SUGGEST THIS AS A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE I MADE A REQUEST TO THE STAFF FOR A PUT AMENDMENT AND IT WAS COMPLETELY IGNORED AND I CONTINUALLY PROVIDED DETAILED INTENTIONS FOR EVERY INCH OF THE REMAINING LAND. SO WHY WEREN'T THE DENSITY AND PUT DETAILS ADDRESSED? THEN I EXPLAINED TO KEN ON FOUR 16 HOW I THOUGHT WE WERE CONFORMING TO, I APPRECIATED HIM CALLING BRAD AND I AND TALKING THROUGH HIS CONCERNS AND I EXPLAINED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE E 7 20 50 PLAN HAD GIVEN US BALANCED USES OF 20% HOW TOWN HOME? 18% MULTIFAMILY, 13% SINGLE FAMILY. AND I BROKE OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GROUP FROM AUGUSTA, GEORGIA, WE HAD A GROUP FROM CARMEL, INDIANA. WE HAD A GROUP FROM ALABAMA AND A DIFFERENT HOUSING VARIETY BECAUSE REALLY THIS IS 90 PLOTTED ACRES OF A 750 AC ACRES CONNECTED. AND SO THE IDEA THAT THERE'S NOT HOUSING VARIETY TO ME IS JUST, IS JUST CRAZY. SO MOVING ON, I SAID HARD NUMBERS RIGHT NOW FOR THE LAND USE PERCENTAGES, LIBERTY PARKS 15.8%. LIBERTY CREEK IS 14.7%. 27 BTR PRODUCTS ACCOUNT FOR 14%. WILDLIFE PRESERVATION ACCOUNTS FOR 17.9%. COMMERCIAL IS CURRENTLY AT 12.5%. SENIOR LIVING GROUP IS AT 1.8% ACRE PLUS ESTATE LOTS, 4.1% TREE PRESERVATION AT 3.7% AND OPEN SPACE AT 13.7%. I SAID AS PROMISED YESTERDAY, I PROPOSE A FEW SCENARIOS TO PRESENT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT I CAN STAND BY ONE AND THESE AND THESE WERE CONCESSION I WAS TRYING TO MAKE TO WHERE WE COULD FIND SOME COMMON GROUND ON THE PLAT. I SAID I CAN PLACE DEED RESTRICTIONS AGAINST TR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY PLATTING ON DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL [00:30:01] AREAS. I DOUBLE CHECK THE LEGALITY HERE AND IT'S GOOD. I'LL PROVIDE A TOTAL LAND USE MAP FOR THE 558 ACRES THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I CAN PUBLICLY ATTEST TO. I'LL PROVIDE A PRELIMINARY, PRELIMINARY PLAT OR USE MAP FOR ALL THE LAND AT LIBERTY PARK EAST PUD FOR CLARITY, ET CETERA. AS DISCUSSED, I CAN ACTUALLY EDIT THE WEST FORK PUD RIGHT NOW AND MAKE A NOTE THAT NO TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY IS ALLOWED. AND I DID THAT ON MY OWN BECAUSE I SAID I WOULD. AS WE HAVE YET TO RESUBMIT SINCE RECEIPT OF COMMENTS, LEMME KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS. IF WE CAN PLAN FOR A 5 19 26 HEARING AT PLANNING COMMISSION, I CAN HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE A WEEK OUT MIGHT ADD I'M SPENDING A FORTUNE ON A MASTER TRAFFIC PLAN AND SETTING STUDY COVERING ALL THE CONTEMPLATED LAND MINUS LIBERTY PARK. IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETED IN THE COMING WEEKS. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME COVERING THIS. SO I I PRESENT ALL THIS INFORMATION, ALL THESE PROPOSALS TO, YOU KNOW, DO EXACTLY WHAT THE PUD DOCUMENT SAYS, WHICH IT SAYS THIS PUD IS CONSIDERED SPECIFICALLY NEGOTIATED. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? PRETTY MUCH ABOUT THE PUD. SO, SO EVERY INCH OF THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SPECIFICALLY NEGOTIATED TO WHERE WE COULD TALK TO STAFF LIKE THAT AND, AND ALL WE GOT BACK IS, THIS IS NON-CONFORMING. SO I GET A FOLLOW UP EMAIL FROM KEN FOUR 17. I APPRECIATE THE ONGOING DIALOGUE AND THIS IS WHEN THESE GUYS WERE REALLY IN INVOLVED. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS. THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE BY INCORPORATING DIVISION AND GOALS THAT INCLUDE SURROUNDING AND NEARBY PROPERTIES. I THINK THERE'S A DECENT ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT YOUR LONG-TERM PLANS FOR THE OVERALL AREA ARE. WHAT WAS THAT? I THINK THERE IS DECENT ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT YOUR LONG-TERM PLANS FOR THE OVERALL AREA ARE. I JUST, I JUST WISH WE'D JUST HAD THAT IN THE NOTES SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THAT'S RELEVANT ALSO. NUMBER SEVEN, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS 4,400 SQUARE FEET WITH THE OVERWHELMING NUMBER. WHILE THE LOTS MEET THE MINIMUM STATUS IN THE PUD FOR SIZE, THE OVERUSE OF ONE LIGHT SIZE DOES NOT MEET THE PUD REQUIREMENTS OR INTENT OF INTEGRATING A VARIETY OF LOTS SIZE IN HOUSING TYPES. I THINK I'VE PROVEN JUST FOR THE WORDS THAT'S IN THIS LIVING DOCUMENT, THAT IS NOT TRUE AND THERE IS ACTUALLY NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL ESTABLISHED WITHIN THIS PUD DOCUMENT. NUMBER EIGHT, THIS DEFICIENCY OF THE PLAT ALSO NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE URBAN STYLE MIXED USE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT INCLUDED IN THE PUD AND DESCRIBED IN PUBLIC MEETINGS RELATED TO THE ZONING APPROVAL PROCESS. IS THIS BASED ON OPINION RESEARCH, $350,000 HOMES ON A SMALLER FOOTPRINT. TWO STORY AS DEFINED IN MIXED USE CAMPUS 4.3 0.17 IN A CITY NEEDING ATTAINING HOMES, WHERE IS THE DEFICIENCY? ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SIR. AT THIS TIME, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE APPLICANT OR OF THE CITY STAFF? WHERE, WHERE DO WHO WANTS TO START GO FOR AUSTIN. UM, OKAY, WELL FIRST OFF ON THE EMAIL THING, UM, I'VE TRIED TO BE, I'VE TRIED TO RESPOND TO ALL THE EMAILS YOU'VE SENT. YEAH, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM YOU IN OCTOBER OF 25. NO, NO, I PLATING STAFF. OH, OKAY. PLANNING DEPARTMENT. OKAY. NO, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING NOT PLANNING COMMISSION ALL OF US. NO, NO, NO. OKAY. UM, OKAY. I'VE LOOKED THROUGH THIS, UM, I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, LIBERTY CREEK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, OR IT, IT IS SUPPOSED TO MODEL SOMETHING SIMILAR TO ROSEMARY BEACH, WHICH I SAW YOUR ALL'S VIDEO AND THAT'S AWESOME. I'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE TOO. UM, I LIKE THE WINDING ROADS THEY HAVE THERE AND THEN THE SHOPS ON THE BOTTOM. THAT PLACE IS SO COOL. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING AND, AND I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M ON BOARD STILL. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, BUT AFTER SEEING THAT VIDEO I WAS LIKE, OH, THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING YOU GUYS ON FACEBOOK AND, AND I'M ON BOARD. THIS TO ME DOES NOT LOOK LIKE ROSEMARY BEACH FROM WHAT I CAN TELL SO FAR. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I WANNA ADDRESS THAT ALSO. YOU MENTIONED THAT COMMERCIAL TAKES UP 12.5%, UM, IN THE PUD ON PAGE NINE, UH, SECTION TWO G AN INCOME GEN, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE DOING THIS IS FOR AN INCOME GENERATING DEVELOPMENT THAT BRINGS IN OR KEEPS SALES TAX DOLLARS INTO EDMOND'S COFFERS. UM, AGAIN, COMMERCIAL IS ONLY 12.5% OF THIS AND THAT'S, THIS IS SO MUCH LAND THAT I FEEL LIKE WE COULD, WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW, COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA. ALSO ONE THING THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF 80 ACRES. 80 ACRES? OKAY. YEAH. MM-HMM . UM, ONE THING I LIKED ABOUT ROSEMARY BEACH TOO, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD DO THIS, WHICH IS LARGER THAN LEGACY OF KOVAL. THE, THE WINDING ROADS THAT THEY HAVE IN ROSEMARY BEACH IS AWESOME AND THESE ARE LIKE KIND OF STRAIGHT AND, AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU, YOU'VE GOT ENGINEERING STUFF YOU'VE GOTTA DO, BUT THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING [00:35:01] I JUST THOUGHT I WANTED TO BRING UP. YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE. AND THE FRONT 50 ACRES, THAT WAS THE REQUEST BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR US TO PLOT SOMETHING TO MAKE IT LOOK MIXED USE. WE HAD TOLD THEM THAT WE HAD A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER AND THE REASON WHY HE'S NOT HERE AND NOT INVOLVED IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE BUYING A PROFESSIONAL SOCCER TEAM IN ENGLAND. BUT WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER THAT IS OWNING THE FRONT 50 ACRES AND LIKE WE TRIED TO TELL THEM OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE CAN'T PLOT THAT. THAT'S WHY THEY SAID THERE'S NO LOTS AND BLOCKS BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY. AND HIS SON'S A CIVIL ENGINEER AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN SOMETHING ALL COMMERCIAL ON THAT FRONT. 50 ACRES, LESS THE EIGHT ACRES THAT TREE PRESERVATION WITHIN IT. SO THERE'S 42 BUILDABLE ACRES THERE. NONE OF THAT'S GONNA BE DUPLEX OR TRIPLEX THAT IS STRICTLY PLANNED FOR COMMERCIAL WITH ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. AND THIS IS OFF OF THE, THIS IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF COFFEE CREEK AND SUMER? YEAH, IT'S THE ENTIRE HALF MILE FRONTAGE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH. 'CAUSE THE ACTUAL, THE ACTUAL PLAT IS, IS ABOUT THE NORTH TWO THIRDS OF THAT QUARTER SECTION. OKAY. OKAY. I'M, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR NOW. I'M SURE I'LL HAVE MORE, BUT THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF OR OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? YES. DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN RESPOND AT ALL? I, I'D LIKE SOME TYPE OF A SHORT RESPONSE, UH, FROM THE CITY STAFF ON THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. OF COURSE. HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, I GUESS A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE, THE NUMBER OF LOTS, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS INCLUDED THAT I, WE DISCOVERED THAT, OR WE DIDN'T DISCOVER THAT THAT'S CAPTURED ON THE EARLY PORTIONS OF THE PUD AND IT, IT SPECIFIES THAT TRACKS THREE AND FOUR WILL INCLUDE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS, WHATEVER IT WOUND UP TO BE. THE SUM WAS 478. WE DIDN'T, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT IS CONCEPTUAL. WE WERE NEVER, WE WERE CLEAR ABOUT THAT DURING ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. UM, SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WHY WE'RE KIND OF COMBINING THOSE TWO LOT LIMITS, IF YOU WILL, IN THAT PUD TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH THAT SUM. AND, UM, TO US IT SEEMED CLEAR THAT IT, IT, THAT WAS NOT A, THAT WAS NOT A RECOMMENDATION, THAT WAS NOT FLEXIBILITY. THAT SAID IT WILL INCLUDE THIS NUMBER OF LOTS. UM, ON THE, THE OPEN SPACE, IT WAS, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE INTENT OF INCORPORATING THOSE OPEN SPACES IS NOT, NOT THE LARGE, NOT THE LARGE BLOCKS OF OPEN SPACE THAT ARE COMMON AREAS FOR DETENTION, BUT THAT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF LIKE PLAZAS, PARKS, COURTS, THAT WAS PART OF THE PRESENTATION THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE ATTRACTED TO DURING THE APPROVAL OF THE PUD. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REACTING TO IN THAT. SO WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING IS INCORPORATED OR NOT INCORPORATED, WE MEAN THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE, NOT INCLUDED, NOT JUST IS IT ON THE PLA OR NOT. UM, AND THEN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, WHICH I LOVE THIS DISCUSSION, BUT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS VERSUS INTENT VERSUS LIKE STANDARDS OR, YOU KNOW, UM, QUANTIFIABLE, UM, COMPONENTS THAT ARE CAPTURED IN THE PUD, THEY'RE ALWAYS REQUIRED TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE ZONING AND PUCS ARE JUST MORE COMPLICATED THAN BY RIGHT ZONING, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT ZONING. THE INTENT IS KIND OF CAPTURED BY THOSE SORT OF MINIMUM STANDARDS AND UM, DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS IN THE CODE ITSELF. AND THE PUD INCLUDES ITS OWN INTENT AND ABSOLUTELY THE NEXT STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THAT INTENT. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONERS OF CITY STAFF OR OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? I THINK MY TWO COMMENTS JUST AT THE MOMENT JUST ARE ONE IS, IS LOOKING AT THE PLAT AND BEING SOMEBODY THAT'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PLATS, IT DIDN'T FEEL REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT THE CONCEPTUAL WAS AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND CONCEPTUALS, BUT ALSO THAT'S TO GET US TO BUY INTO IT UP HERE AND UNDERSTAND IT, IT DIDN'T FEEL REMOTELY CLOSE TO IT. THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS ABOUT IT. UM, I'M SEEING CURVY STREETS, I'M SITTING LOOKING AT IT RIGHT HERE. I'M LOOKING AT PICTURES, YOU KNOW, ALL THE STUFF THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE PUDS. UM, IT, IT FELT A LOT DIFFERENT IS IF IS THE TWO IS JUST MY COMMENT AT THE MOMENT MM-HMM . SO, UM, AND, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER FILL IF WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT THE FRONT 50 ACRES THAT WERE PLOTTED BECAUSE THERE'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDED HERE. AND THEN TO SPEAK TO, TO AUSTIN IS, I AGREE WITH YOU LIKE [00:40:01] ABOUT THE WHOLE ROSEMARY BEACH THING. SO ONE THING THAT WE DID DO IN INTENTIONALLY IS WE'RE DESIGNING IS ENTRANCE FOR THESE, SO THAT HAVE LIKE FOUR MICRO DISTRICTS. SO LIKE HOW YOU HAVE HERITAGE HILLS, UM, YOU KNOW, CROWN HEIGHTS, PUTNAM HEIGHTS, ET CETERA. WE ARE GOING TO DESIGN THESE ENTRANCES WITH LIKE EXTRAVAGANT LANDSCAPING ON THE FRONTS AND IN BETWEEN. AND THEN HAVE LIKE BRICK COLUMNS WITH THE CAST SIGNS THAT HAVE OLD SCHOOL WRITING AND SAY LIKE WHATEVER PARK, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE LIBERTY CREEK WAS JUST LIKE A LOOSE TERM WE WERE USING, BUT LIKE WE LOOKED AT DOING LIKE THE SENATE AND THE CONGRESS OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE FUN THEMES OR LIKE THE HOUSE AND UH, AND SO ANYWAY, SO THE INTENT WAS IS TO HAVE THESE LIKE IN QUOTE MICRO DISTRICTS. BUT IT IS TRUE. WE, WE HAD NEVER INTENDED ON DOING ANYTHING, ANYTHING BUT THE 40 FELT LOTS. OKAY. AND, AND I GUESS MY COMMENT ABOUT THE CURVY, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF TRACK FOUR, THERE'S MAYBE TWO OR THREE STRAIGHT STREETS IN THE ENTIRE THING ON THE CONCEPTUAL, AND THIS IS NOTHING BUT STRAIGHT STREETS AND I'M SEEING SIX TO SEVEN OPEN SPACES THAT ARE PROBABLY PARKED SLASH DETENTION. AS IN I DON'T SEE THOSE MUCH ON THIS PLAT. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M REFERENCING BACK TO MM-HMM . UM, AND I THINK, BUT THAT'S JUST MY TWO COMMENTS. NO, NO, NO, I DON'T DISAGREE. AND I THINK THEY WANNA SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE HAD, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE SPENDING A LONG, A LOT AMOUNT OF TIME HERE BECAUSE I DESCRIBED TO THEM LIKE WHEN I WENT TO A DENVER PARK AND IT WAS LIKE, LIKE LITERALLY THE GREATEST 4TH OF JULY I'VE EVER HAD IN MY LIFE WITH MY BROTHERS. BUT LIKE, IT WAS ALL CITY BLOCKS, WHICH TO ME MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I COULD NOT READ THE MIND OF MR. BRYAN AND, AND BECCA, BUT LIKE TO ME, LIKE CITY BLOCKS IN THE OLD DAYS WERE, YOU KNOW, 70 BY ONE 40 OR 60 BY ONE 40 OR WHATEVER. AND THEY WERE ALL THE SAME INSIDE OF A BLOCK AND YOU JUST HAD A LINE OF THEM AND THEY HAD A BIG OAK TREE OUT FRONT. AND SO THESE PEOPLE LIVE HERE, THEY CAN WALK TO WORK FROM HERE, THEY CAN WALK TO CENTENNIAL OR WHATEVER, THEY CAN WALK AND GET A SODA. BUT I STAYED AT HOUSES LIKE THIS IN DENVER AND WE PARKED AND WE WALKED TO THE PARK AND THE PARKS WERE 12 ACRES AND IT WAS LIKE THE MOST FUN I'D EVER HAD. BUT THEY HAD BUSINESS AND THEN YOU HAD PLAY AND, AND THE PLAY WAS IN THESE PLAZAS. AND SO WE, WE HAVE MASSIVE PARKS PLANNED FOR WESTPORT WITH OUTDOOR PICKLEBALL AND YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SMALL AMPHITHEATER. WE HAVE MASSIVE OUTDOOR AREAS IN A PLAZA SOUTH OF HERE. AND SO IT WAS LIKE WE WANTED TO CAPTURE THESE PEOPLE, WE WANTED THEM WALKING TO US, TO THESE PLAZA AREAS AND PULL THEM IN AND WE DIDN'T WANNA WASTE THE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN OF LIKE HAVING THE DENSITY. YEAH. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE CHALLENGE OF, OF PARSING IT UP LIKE THIS IS INSTEAD COMING BACK WITH ONE HUGE MASTER PLAN SLASH MASTER PLAT A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT EXPLAINS IT ALL. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT AND WE SEE THAT IN DALLAS AND FORT WORTH AND OTHER PLACES ALL THE TIME THAT ARE USED TO IT. AND SO I GUESS THAT'S THE COMMENT IS WHEN WE SEE JUST THIS CHUNK OF IT, WE'RE GOING, ALL RIGHT, WHAT'S LEFT? WHAT'S ACTUALLY COMING, WHAT'S PROMISED VERSUS WHAT WE READ IN THE PUD. I MEAN, SO A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE HARD PART AND YOU, AND YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE NOW BECAUSE NOW IT'S US GOING, ALRIGHT, THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE NOW, WE'VE GOTTA TRUST EVERYTHING ELSE TO COME ON THAT LIST OF 750 ACRES. SURE. UM, WHEN THIS DOESN'T LOOK, WHENEVER I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M GOING, THOSE DON'T LOOK THE SAME. SO WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF 750 ACRES? OR, OR WHEN I SAY THAT, THE OTHER 600 ACRES, NO, I DON'T DIS I DON'T DISAGREE. SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT NEXT CHANGED THAT? JUST JUST TO COMMENT. I MEAN, AND, AND I TRIED TO CUT OFF OF THE SIX 20, THE REASON WHY WE CAME UP BECAUSE I ALWAYS ASK THE QUESTION WHY, LIKE, LIKE I SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING AND LEGACY CLUB, BUT WHY, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST JUST EXPLAIN THAT, THAT QUESTION WHY SIX 20? 'CAUSE THAT IS THE EXACT NUMBER WE NEEDED IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF SEWER AND WATER UPGRADES AND THE STREET UPGRADES AND THE POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUT THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO AT COFFEE CREEK AND THE POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUT THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO AT SORGHUM MILL RIGHT. IN ORDER IN ORDER TO MAKE IT. SO THAT WAS THE EXACT AMOUNT OF NUMBERS WHERE WE COULD SAY, OKAY, WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK AND SPEND THIS MONEY. OH, I GET IT. I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OTHER PARTS OF EDMOND THAT CAN'T HAVE THE DENSITY THAT BECAUSE THE SEWER AND WATER'S NOT THERE. MM-HMM . SUCH AS SORGHUM AND BRYANT. MM-HMM THERE'S A DEVELOPER THERE THAT HAD TO COME WITH LARGER LOTS 'CAUSE IT'S THE SEWER COULD NOT HOLD IT AT THE MOMENT. SO, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THE, OF THE APPLICANT OR OF THE CITY STAFF AT THIS TIME FOR MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS MOMENT? WELL, WE, WE WILL GET TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS IS A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. PLEASE, UH, JUST A REMINDER MAKE ALL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ADDRESSED TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ONCE YOU GET ALL THE QUESTIONS. WE'LL TRY TO GET ANSWERS FOR YOU AND EVERYBODY GETS ONE SHOT. MY NAME'S DAN O'NEILL. I WAS SITTING AT HOME WATCHING THIS, SO WATCH TODAY. SAW IT ON THE AGENDA. UH, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BUGGING ME EVER SINCE THE FIRST DAY I TOOK OVER MY SECOND TERM AS MAYOR. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE RURAL WATER DISTRICT AGREEMENT THAT WE MADE IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING [00:45:01] PRIOR TO MY FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING BACK IN 2019, 2019 NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. THIS IS IN THE WRONG LOCATION, THE REASON IT'S IN THE WRONG LOCATION. THE CITY OF EDMOND DOESN'T OWN THE WATER RIGHTS, IT DOESN'T OWN THE SEWER RIGHTS. IT IS OWNED BY THE LOGAN COUNTY RURAL WATER DISTRICT BY AGREEMENT THAT WE MADE. AND WE ARE OPERATING AS A RESULT OF AN AGREEMENT THAT WE MADE IN MAY OF 2019, UH, THAT ALLOWS US TO PAY, UH, CONTINUED DOING BUSINESS ON OUR WATER BY PAYING A ROYALTY TO THE LOGAN COUNTY RURAL WATER DISTRICT OF 5.87% FOR EVERY HOME IN, IN THAT DISTRICT. AND IT HAPPENS TO BE CLOSE TO 18 POINT A HALF SQUARE MILES. IT WAS A REAL SURPRISE TO ME AS THE CITY ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO FIND OUT THAT, UH, 18 MILES OUT OF OUR 60 MILES, SQUARE MILES OF OUR CITY, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE WATER RIGHTS, THE RURAL, UH, THE, THE SEWER RIGHTS. WE DON'T EVEN OWN THE TRASH RIGHTS FOR THAT AREA. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND OUT. WE ARE PAYING, UH, AT THE FIRST, UH, LARRY STEVENS TOLD US THAT THE FIRST YEAR OF THE PAYMENTS WILL ONLY BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. WELL, IT'S OVER $6 MILLION NOW. OKAY. AND OVER THE 40 YEARS, IT COULD BE UP TO, UH, SIX TO $7 MILLION EVERY YEAR. THAT WAS, THE TOTAL PAYMENT WAS $6 MILLION OVER THE LAST FIVE AND A HALF YEARS. I'VE TRACKED IT EVERY MONTH, EVERY YEAR, UH, SINCE 19, UH, SINCE 2019. I HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND THE 600 AND SOME HOUSES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN HERE WOULD BE A GODSEND THAT WOULD BE 20% OF WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING ON THIS SMALL LITTLE DISTRICT. AND YOU START DOING HIGH DENSITY HOUSING WITHIN THESE 18 SQUARE MILES. BY 20, I GUESS IT'LL BE, UH, 2047. WE'LL HAVE TO NEGOTIATE AGAIN WITH LOGAN COUNTY. AND IF WE BUILT ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THEIR SEWER RIGHTS AND THEIR WATER RIGHTS, IT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH NEGOTIATION ANYWAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LARRY STRESSED WHEN I MADE HIM DO A PRESENTATION ON THIS AFTER IT WAS APPROVED ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THE WEEK PRIOR WAS HE SAYS THE, THE GOOD PART ABOUT THIS IS MOST OF THIS IS LOW DENSITY HOUSING, ONE ACRE LOTS, NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED THAT'S HIGH DENSITY WOULD REQUIRE WATER AND SERVE AND THAT WAS A BLESSING. BUT TO SEE A PROJECT LIKE LIBERTY CREEK COME IN HERE AND PRESENT SIX TO 700 HOMES, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN THAT AREA, WELL I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE HAPPY FOR THIS IN THE LOGAN COUNTY RURAL WATER DISTRICT. 'CAUSE THAT MAKES, MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS SHOULDN'T BE APPROVED FOR THAT REASON. I, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER REASON I'M PROUD OF STAFF FOR STANDING UP TO THIS AND, AND DECLINING TO APPROVE A PRIOR PLAT. YOU CAN GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR 10 YEARS AND NOT FIND AN EXAMPLE OF THIS LIKE THEY DID IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. SO KEN AND STAFF, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. UH, AND FOR THE CITY, UH, UH, FOR THE, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR STANDING UP FOR THIS. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WE NEED TO WATCH WHERE WE PUT OUR H HIGH DENSITY HOUSING. WE DON'T NEED TO BE PUT IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S SUBJECT, UH, SOME LONG RANGE OB UH, OBLIGATIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO A DATE UNCERTAIN AND TO AN AGREEMENT UNCERTAIN AT SOME POINT IN TIME NOW, I GUESS ONLY, UH, I 30 YEARS FROM NOW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? AND JUST A REMINDER TO PLEASE ADDRESS ALL QUESTIONS TO ME AND ONCE YOU'VE ADDRESSED 'EM ALL, WE'LL TRY TO GET YOU ANSWERS. RITA MILLER. UM, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED? I LIVE OVER BY ARCADIA. UM, I THINK THAT'S WORD FOUR. I'M A LITTLE DISADVANTAGED BECAUSE I, I I'M SURE THAT THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL DRAINAGE PLAN WITH THE ORIGINAL, UM, UM, APPROVAL FOR THIS. BUT THERE'S, THERE IS NO DRAINAGE PLAN AT ALL. AND BECAUSE I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT EDMOND'S DRAINAGE PROBLEM, UM, I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT. AND THIS LOT IS ONE OF THOSE THAT I THINK IS, UM, IT'S NOT DIRT, IT'S SOIL. SOIL IS LIVING THERE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SATELLITE OF THIS THERE, THE WHOLE MUCH OF THE AREA IS, IS HEAVILY TREED. IT'S [00:50:01] UH, IT'S A SPONGE FOR THE, THE RAIN OFF THE, IT'S A SPONGE FOR THE RAIN AND WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE. IT'S NOT JUST SQUARE STREETS, BUT, UM, OKAY. THE, I READ CONTOURS. THE FIRST THING I LOOK AT WHEN I WANT TO DESIGN SOMETHING IS I LOOK AT THE CONTOURS. AND THE CONTOURS HERE REALLY CONCERN ME. THIS IS A LOT OF STEEPNESS TO THIS LOT. IF THIS WAS, UM, DESIGNED ON A FLAT, COMPLETELY FLAT SURFACE, I WOULDN'T BE SO CONCERNED. BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, THAT FUTURE RECREATION AREA, THAT BIG RECTANGLE, UM, THE, I THINK THAT THESE CONTOURS ARE WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE GROUND. I'M, I DON'T THINK IT'S WHAT'S PLANNED. AND THERE ARE ALL THE HOUSES ON THAT SIDE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE SOUTH SIDE ARE, ARE, ARE SITTING RIGHT ON, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE DAM. YOU CAN GET A BULLDOZER IN THERE AND FLATTEN EVERYTHING. BUT I'VE BEEN WALKING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN AROUND HERE, UM, ON STEEP TERRAIN WHERE THEY BRING IN THE BULLDOZERS AND THEY MAKE AN ABSOLUTE DRAINAGE DISASTER. UM, THE EROSION, IT'S LIKE YOU CAN'T PUT A BULLDOZER IN THERE WITHOUT, YOU CAN'T MAKE A FLAT LOT OUT OF THIS. UM, SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ASPECT OF, OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THEY START TRYING TO MAKE A FLAT LOT OUT OF ALL OF THIS STEEPNESS. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO? THERE YOU GO. TAYLOR. TAYLOR WILSON. UM, MY COMMENT IS IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PUD IS, UH, TRYING TO LEVERAGE MULTIPLE PUDS AND I I DON'T, I LIKE THE CHAIR SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT A MASTER PLA SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOTALITY OF EVERYTHING. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LEVERAGE, I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. 'CAUSE ON THAT FUTURE, WHEN IS THAT FUTURE AND WHAT ARE THE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS? WHAT ARE THE HOLDBACKS, WHAT IS THE GUARANTEES THAT THOSE FUTURE WILL OCCUR? SO I I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO FORCE 'EM TO TIE IT ALL TOGETHER IF THEY'RE GONNA USE IT AS A MASTER MASTER PLAN AND THEN TIME IT WHEN THE TIMING IS RELATIVE TO THE DIFFERENT PORTIONS, WHICH IS A QUESTION I'M ASKING ON ALL THE PUDS FROM HERE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK, UH, FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? YOU WANNA SPEAK OR DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? WHICH ONE? DO YOU WANNA BE AN APPLICANT OR ARE YOU GONNA BE A, CAN I, CAN YOU DO YOUR QUESTIONS FIRST THEN WE'LL COME BACK. WELL, IT WASN'T AS MUCH QUESTIONS I WANTED TO SEE SINCE I KNOW THIS IS DIFFERENT. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, HOW WE UNPACK ALL THIS. CAN I GO, I KIND OF, I WROTE DOWN WHAT ALL OF YOU GUYS HAD ASKED. CAN I ANSWER SOME OF Y'ALLS? CAN I ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS TO WHAT THAT YOU WERE ASKING? OKAY, SO THE TALK OF ROSEMARY AND ALL OF THAT, YOU'RE A THOUSAND PERCENT RIGHT? THAT IS SCOTT AND I'S DREAM FOR THIS PLACE WHEN YOU GO TO 30 A, YOU DRIVE IN AND YOU COME DOWN 98 AND YOU TURN ONTO 38 AND YOU'RE IN INLET BEACH, RIGHT INTO ROSEMARY BEACH AND IT'S UNBELIEVABLY BEAUTIFUL. KEEP GOING THAT DIRECTION. AND YOU'LL EVEN WIND UP ON ALICE BEACH, WHICH IS, UH, LIKE YOU'VE SEEN IT, RIGHT? AUSTIN, IT'S ALICE BEACH. IS IS WILD. IT'LL BLOW YOUR MIND. HOW AMAZING IT IS. ROSEMARY, IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO IS A LITTLE TOWN CALLED SEA CREST AND THEY TOUCH OKAY, TOUCHES ROSEMARY. IT TOUCHES ALICE BEACH. IT IS DEAD IN THE MIDDLE. SEA CREST IS THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS STRAIGHTER ROADS, HAS THE HOUSES THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE. THIS IS WHERE MY WIFE AND I STAYED THE FIRST TIME WE WENT TO ROSEMARY BEACH BECAUSE WE COULD NOT AFFORD TO STAY IN ROSEMARY BEACH. WE STAYED AT SEACREST BEACH AND THEN WE USED THE COMMERCIAL AT ROSEMARY BEACH. WE WALKED, WE BIKED, WE GOT TO GO EAT AT FONVILLE PRESS IN ALICE BEACH. COULDN'T AFFORD, STILL CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY THERE, BUT I GO VISIT. UH, BUT MY, MY POINT IS, IS IN THESE LARGER THINGS, WHAT WE DID DO AND WHAT WE ARE DOING AT LIBERTY PARK, WE CAME THROUGH WITH LIBERTY PARK. IT'S, THERE'S DOZERS OUT THERE, RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE DOING IT. THAT IS, THAT IS HAPPENING. THIS HELPS FEED THAT. AND IT IS A PART OF IT. IT IS CONNECTED TO IT. DAVID MENTIONED SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING HAND IN HAND, WHICH IS ABNORMAL FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS. AND WE'RE WORKING HAND IN HAND AND WE WANT THE CONNECTION, WE WANT WHO LIVES HERE TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. AND THIS IS AT A MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE RATE THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING IN LIBERTY [00:55:01] PARK. 'CAUSE I WILL TELL YOU THIS, ROSEMARY AND ALICE BEACH HAVE WINDY ROADS AND THEIR HOUSES ARE ALSO TRIPLE WHAT THEY ARE IN SEACREST BEACH. BUT THEY GET TO LIVE THERE. SO I WANTED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OF THIS IS HOW WE'RE GETTING THERE. IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE AND IT'S THERE AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE GETTING THERE. UH, COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE GOTTA HAVE THE COMMERCIAL. AND THE REASON THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US IS JUST HA US BUILDING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS DOES NONE OF US ANY GOOD. I NEED THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TO BE VIBRANT. I NEED PEOPLE THAT CAN WALK THERE. I NEED PEOPLE THAT ARE CLOSE TO THERE. I NEED PEOPLE TO BE THERE. WHAT SCOTT AND I ARE DOING, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DOING IT. SO I BELIEVE IN IT. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE UNBELIEVABLE. IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE. WHEN YOU HAVE EXPENSIVE, YOU HAVE A SLOWER BURN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SLOWER BURN WITH RESIDENTS. THIS BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE. THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO GET IN OUR FACILITY MUCH QUICKER, THAT CAN DIRECTLY WALK, BIKE, RIDE GOLF CARTS AND NEVER GET ON COFFEE CREEK. THEY GET DIRECTLY INTO THE COMMERCIAL CENTER. THAT IS EXTREMELY VIBRANT AND THAT IS WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S NOT ONLY WHAT WE WANT, IT'S WHAT WE NEED. UM, AND THAT ALSO, IT ALSO, THIS ALSO HELPS WITH AND I 35, BUT I'LL STAY OFF OF THAT. THAT'S DIFFERENT. UM, AND I'LL GO DOWN, UH, KEN, JUST ON ON SOME OF YOURS JUST TO YOU SPOKE ON YOUR ANSWER, UM, THE PUD DOES HAVE AN INTENT. I AGREE WITH THAT. UM, I THINK THAT THE INTENT THOUGH CAN BE DISCUSSED. IT'S BETWEEN THOSE OF US WHO HELPED WRITE IT AND THOSE OF US WHO HELPED PROVE IT RATHER THAN JUST THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, HEY, WE HAVE AN INTENT, WE HAD FLEXIBILITY FOR THIS REASON, WE NEEDED THE FLEXIBILITY. I JUST A LITTLE STORY ABOUT WHEELER. ANY OF Y'ALL BEEN TO WHEELER? WHEELER HAD PEDALLERS LANE AND IT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE ONE ROW AT PEDALLERS LANE. IF YOU GO DOWN TO PEDALLERS LANE TWO TODAY, IT IS ONE OF THEIR MOST IMPORTANT STREETS BECAUSE IT WAS INSIDE A PUD, THEIR OTHER HOUSES WEREN'T SELLING PEDDLER'S. LANE WAS HOT. THEY WERE ABLE TO GO ON THE FLY INSIDE OF THE PUD, TURNED IT INTO SOMETHING EXTREMELY VIBRANT. WE WERE DOING MARKET STUDIES AND WE REALIZED WE NEEDED HOUSES. THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP KIND OF HERE. THAT IS THE INTENT. THAT IS THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. LET'S GO. I HAD BRIAN YU ASKED THE SAME ABOUT, IT LOOKS DIFFERENT. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND IT'S DIFFERENT. AND I, I THINK, I DON'T WANNA BE REDUNDANT. WE KIND OF HAVE, I'VE KIND OF HAVE PUT OUT YOU'RE A THOUSAND PERCENT RIGHT. IT IS DIFFERENT. AND IT IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN LIBERTY PARK IS MASSIVELY EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO CURBS, THE STREET TREES, THE, THE ALLEYS, I MEAN, WE'RE POURING, WE'RE POURING STREETS TWICE COMPARED TO A NORMAL DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE, WE WANT TO DO THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT I NEED PEOPLE NEXT DOOR THAT CAN WALK AND BIKE INTO THIS COMMUNITY TO KEEP IT EQUALLY AS VIBRANT. SO IT IS DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S THOUGHTFULLY DIFFERENT AND IT'S ON PURPOSE. YEAH. I WANNA JUST ONE COMMENT THERE AND I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, WHEN YOU COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU'RE, AND YOU HAVE THESE CONCEPTUAL PLANS, WE LIKE IT TO BE CLOSE TO, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE NON-REAL ESTATE EXPERTS, LET'S BE HONEST. SURE. OKAY. I MEAN, SO WE'RE, AND WE GET QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE NOT REAL ESTATE GUYS. YOU GUYS ARE REAL ESTATE GUYS AND YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN IT IN YOUR CHALETS AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU GUYS HAVE DONE. AND SO WHAT'S GONNA HA I MEAN, SO THE COMMENTS ARE IF YOU BRING US SOMETHING REALLY COOL LIKE THIS AND YOU COME BACK WITH SOMETHING A LOT DIFFERENT MM-HMM . IT'S, IT'S HARD TO DIGEST FOR PEOPLE. UNDERSTOOD. IT FEELS LIKE RUG, RUG TANKED OUTTA YOUR FEET A LITTLE BIT. SURE. SO JUST, JUST TO COMMENT ON I I BUT I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND I CAN SEE WHERE, WHERE THAT IS. AND LISTEN, WHEN, WHEN WE DID THIS, YOU GOTTA THINK THAT WAS BROUGHT, I HAVE MINUTES, WE BROUGHT THAT IN 23, BUT WE BROUGHT THE ORIGINAL LIBERTY PARK I THINK IN 21, 21 OR 22. LISTEN, WE HAD BIG DREAMS. WE HAD BIG DREAMS. WE WANTED TO DO THAT. WE, BUT BUT YOU LOOK, AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ASKING PEOPLE ACROSS 400 ACRES TO PAY FOUR OR 500 BUCKS A FOOT, AND I'M SAYING THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GETTING IN WHEELER AND WE ARE DOING A LOT LIKE WHEELER GUYS, THAT, THAT BURN, THAT BURN IS THAT BURN'S 40, 50 YEARS AND THAT THAT DOES NONE OF US GOOD. WE NEED THE COMMERCIAL TO STAND ON ITS TWO FEET AND, AND SO DOES THE CITY. AND AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND WHO WORK HERE, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. WE WANT THAT. AND YEAH, WE HAD BIG GOOGLY EYES. THAT'S HOW THAT HAPPENED. BUT I ALSO, I ALSO GET ON YOUR SIDE WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, THAT'S TOUGH. OKAY. SO, BUT I, I DID WANNA SAY IT'S DIFFERENT. UM, ONLY TO KIND OF GO BACK 'CAUSE I DO LOVE DAN, BUT I DO WANT TO TELL YOU DAN, JUST LIKE MAYOR LAMB HAS SAID BEFORE, WHEN I WAS IN HERE, UH, THIS WAS A PLAT NOT ZONING MAN. WE GOT 12 TO 16 DWELLING UNITS, ACRE ALREADY APPROVED THERE. SO THOSE HOUSES ARE COMING, WHETHER IT'S US OR SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ZONING'S BEEN DONE. SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S THAT. BUT I REMEMBER HIM SAYING THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. THAT'S, [01:00:01] THAT'S WHY I LIKE GETTING TO COME UP HERE AND LEARN FROM THAT. BUT, UH, THAT'S ALL I GOT. I DON'T WANNA BE REDUNDANT. EVERYONE'S TIRED, EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO HOME. BUT I, I WANTED JUST TO GO TO SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT, UH, SOME OF YOU GUYS HAD. SURE. AND THEN I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS THAT I CAUGHT UP THERE. OBVIOUSLY THE DRAINING PLANS, I KNOW THAT GOES, HAS TO GO THROUGH SWAB AND OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, YEAH, YEAH. AND ON UH, ALL THAT DAVID, BUT ALSO MA'AM I BELIEVE YOU, SHE CAME TO OUR ORIGINAL LIBERTY PARK, UH, AND IT WAS PRELIM PLAT AS WELL. AND SAME THING. HEY WE, WE HAVE TO GET THAT ALL DONE BY ENGINEERS AND RIGHT. IT'S THE EXACT SAME ANSWER. IT'S GOING TO BE DONE BY OUR ENGINEERS AND IT'S GONNA BE APPROVED BY THE CITY OF ENGINEERS. AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. AND LIBERTY PARK WAS THE SAME WAY. AND IT, YOU CAN GO OUT THERE NOW. I DROVE IT THIS MORNING AND IT'S AMAZING. GOOD. AND THEN TAYLOR HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE MASTER PLAN, THE, THE WHOLE MASTER PLA IDEA VERSUS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND TIMING, IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS THOSE. YEAH. SO ONE OF MY, ONE OF MY FAVORITE ONES ON, UH, THAT YOU HAD ASKED SARAH ABOUT THE TIMING IS, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT IS A PART OF THIS. WHAT THIS GROUP IS DOING FOR YOUR TIMING QUESTION IS THEY ARE PUTTING IN THE OFFSITE SEWER AND WATER. SO THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE THEY'RE PUTTING IN 2 MILLION THAT WILL THEN TRACK THROUGH 320 ACRES OF THIS, WHICH THEN MAKES THE TIMING TOMORROW. IN ESSENCE, ONCE THAT SEWER AND WATER IS TIED IN, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THERE. IF NOT, IT STARTS BECOMING MORE COMPLICATED 'CAUSE WE GOTTA BRING IT ALL THE WAY FROM THE NORTH. AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS APPLICANT IS THEY ARE ACTUALLY OPENING THIS LAND TO HAPPEN TODAY, NOT IN 20 YEARS. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE DOING THE SEWER AND WATER TO DEVELOP THIS AND THEY'RE TAKING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. UH, TIMING OF IT IS, I'LL LET DAVID TALK ON THE TIMING OF IT. I KNOW ON THE LIBERTY PARK WE'RE THERE, DOZERS ARE OUT THERE. AND SO FOR US, I WANT, UH, THE TIMING ON THIS TO BE TOMORROW AS WELL. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, NOTHING, NOTHING WORKS BETTER. AND I UNDERSTAND THE TOTALITY, AND THIS WILL BE MY LAST THING. I UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT IS 'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT IN MY HEAD THIS IS, IT'S TECHNICALLY OVER 320 ACRES. THAT'S THE LIBERTY PARK EAST. BUT IT'S REALLY 400 IF YOU ADD OUR 80 ACRES IN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW MY BRAIN IS LOOKING AT THIS, IS THIS IS CONNECTED TO LIBERTY PARK. THIS IS 600 RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THE PARK, IN THE POOL AT THE COMMERCIAL CENTER BUYING COFFEE, WALKING THEIR KIDS TO CENTENNIAL BECAUSE WE'RE CONNECTING TO CENTENNIAL. THAT'S TAKING TRAFFIC OFF THE ROAD. THAT'S, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW HOW CENTENNIAL GETS AND WE'RE CONNECTING TO THE BACK OF IT. AND THESE PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO HAVE A WALKING TRAIL. AND IF YOU REMEMBER ON LIBERTY PARK THAT WALKING TRAIL, TWO CENTENNIAL DUMPS OFF IN A PARK IN LIBERTY PARK. AND THIS WILL ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. SO I UNDERSTAND IN A VACUUM, CAN WRITE IN A VACUUM LIKE, HEY, THIS LOOKS CRAZY. OVER 400 ACRES. IT'S MEETING ALL THE, IT'S MEETING EVERYTHING WE NEED INSIDE OF THAT 400 ACRES, 320 ACRES. AND WE HAVE TONS OF PARKS, TONS OF POOLS, TONS OF COMMERCIAL THAT WE NEED ALL OF THESE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE. THINK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONERS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE, YEP. ONE, SO I LOVE WHAT THE ORIGINAL INSPIRATION WAS AND, AND TRUTH BE TOLD, I LIKE THIS. UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH THE DENSITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, WHAT I THINK IF THE ORIGINAL PUD DID SPEAK BETTER TO THIS AND, AND APPEASED, UH, BRIAN'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMMENTS, THAT WOULD BE A LOT BETTER. WHY, WHY ARE WE NOT AMENDING THE INITIAL PUD AND THEN APPROVING THIS VERSUS DOING AT THIS STAGE? 'CAUSE WE DID THAT AT THE COBELL, THE SHOWBIZ SITE. TODD MCINNIS, HE ADMITTED A PUD AND MADE CHANGES. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE THERE. I DON'T DISAGREE. AND I, I HAD ASKED STAFF IN AN EMAIL IF THEY THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO AMEND THE PUD IN ORDER TO DO THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH OKLAHOMA CITY, I I, I DON'T KNOW HOW EDMOND IS BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND LIKE A PUT AMENDMENT PROCESS. AND I HAD EVEN ASKED RANDY, 'CAUSE I, I ASKED RANDY, I SAID, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD RUN A PUT AMENDMENT SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH A PLAT WHEN WE HAD MET WITH HIM MARCH 6TH? IS THAT CORRECT? I, I SAID, YOU KNOW, COULD WE RUN THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH A PLAT JUST SO THAT THAT COULD BE HONORED AND HEARD BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WE WOULD GO TO COUNCIL IF THE PLAT APPROVED, WE'D GO TO COUNCIL JUST FOR THE PUTT AMENDMENT. AND UH, YOU KNOW, I RANDY'S BUSY. SO I DID, I DID PUT THAT IN AN EMAIL. I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT BLAMING HIM OR, OR ANYTHING. I MEAN I GUESS I COULD HAVE JUST KEPT HOUNDING. BUT, BUT I DID ASK ABOUT THAT. UM, AS FAR AS LIKE THERE BEING A, A ZONING CATEGORY OR MAP AMENDMENT AND, AND TO BE FRANK WITH YOU, I MEAN I WAS JUST DOING THAT OUTTA RESPECT FOR THE PROCESS AND THE PLANNING STAFF [01:05:01] BASED ON THE ACTUAL VERBS. LIKE IF YOU TAKE THE PUD DOCUMENT AND YOU READ IT, THERE'S NOTHING WE'VE PROVIDED THAT IS NOT ALLOWED BY, RIGHT. I MEAN, I MEAN THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND AND THAT'S KEN CALLED US AND THAT'S WHERE I FELT LIKE WE, WE WERE GETTING SOMEWHERE. KEN CALLED, UH, BRAD REED ON APRIL 16TH EARLY IN THE MORNING. AND THEN HE CALLED ME AT EIGHT O'CLOCK RIGHT AFTERWARDS. AND UH, YOU KNOW, HE ASKED BRAD WHAT HE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, WHO WAS, WHO WAS THE ENGINEER THAT STARTED THIS. AND THEN JOEL HAS FINISHED IT UP. AND HE SAID, HE SAID, WELL KEN, HE SAID, THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT DOCUMENT THAT'S PREVENTING ME FROM DOING THIS. AND, AND KEN CALLED ME AND I, AND I ECHOED THE SAME THING. AND HE'S LIKE, YEAH, BUT WE HAD THIS INTENT. AND I SAID, WELL I'VE GIVEN YOU THE PLOT FOR THE SOUTH, SOUTH TRACK IS WICKED COOL. LIKE REALLY COOL. AND AGAIN, WE WANTED TO PUT IN THE HISTORICAL FLARE HERE. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE GOAL IN MINE, LIKE THESE LITTLE HISTORICAL DISTRICTS. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE BLOCKS AND WE ARE CONNECTED. UH, BUT THE SOUTH HAS GOT THE CURVES AND WE'VE GOT A BOULEVARD THAT GOES FROM COFFEE CREEK TO SOONER. AND THAT'S ESSENTIAL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MY STRESS IS THEIR STRESS. I'VE GOT A MILLION DOLLARS INVESTED IN THE SEWER AND WATER WHEN IT CLOSES. LIKE, LIKE I'M NOT MAKING MONEY HERE. I'M PUTTING A MILLION DOLLARS INTO THESE FAMILY'S HOMES. I'VE GOT A MILLION DOLLARS INVESTED INTO A BOULEVARD ON THE SOUTH TRACK. I'VE COMMITTED TO PAYING OUT OF MY OWN POCKET ALL OF THE WALKING TRAILS. AND I PUT THAT IN DOCUMENTS, IN REAL LEGAL DOCUMENTS TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. SAYING, HEY, I DON'T WANNA SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR THE CITY HAVE MONEY. I WANNA PUT THE TRAILS IN. 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE OUR RESIDENTS DESERVE IT RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE PROMISED IN THE PLAN. AND BECAUSE I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND SAY, HEY, LOOK WHAT WE SAID WE DO. AND WE DID BECAUSE WE'RE THREE OF THE FEW THAT AREN'T LOOKING FOR HANDOUTS. AND WE'RE NOT HOLDING PARCELS UP HOSTAGE GOING, WHAT SUBSIDIES CAN WE GET FROM WEST EDMOND? WHAT SUBSIDIES CAN WE GET FROM, FROM COUNCIL? WHAT CASH CAN WE GET TO SUPPLEMENT THESE THINGS? BECAUSE I'M GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING, WHEN THE RETAILERS SEE THIS AND, AND, AND AGAIN, HE, HE ECHOED ON IT AND HE DIDN'T HIT HARD ENOUGH LIKE THIS IS WHAT WHOLE FOODS CARES ABOUT. THIS IS WHAT THEY LOOK AT. THEY DON'T LOOK AT THE DESIGN. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, WE HAD THE E-E-D-D-A DO, UH, A WHOLE STUDY AND A REPORT FOR US FOR TRADER JOE'S 'CAUSE THAT WE OFFERED THEM FREE DIRT AND THAT AND THAT FREE DIRT STILL EXISTS BECAUSE THEY'RE AN ASSET. I MEAN, LOOK AT WHAT THEY BRING TO THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE ALONE AND THINK OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE EXCITED LIKE AUSTIN'S WIFE, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT I MEAN, BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THESE 600 LOTS, IT WASN'T ENOUGH, EVEN WITH THE 540 AT EAST FOR IT WASN'T ENOUGH. AND SO WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T RUN THAT TOO. 'CAUSE 'CAUSE SHE'S LIKE HEATHER WAS TELLING US THERE WAS LIKE SOME FORMULA THEY USED THAT ONCE YOU GOT TO A CERTAIN POINT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT ME AND SCOTT ARE FIGHTING OVER. WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHO GETS, THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE DISAGREE ON WHO'S GONNA GET TRADER JOE'S FIRST. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO HER MA'AM ABOUT THE, UH, DE DRAINAGE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING SEVERAL DETENTION PONDS THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND IT DOES MEET TITLE 23 REQUIREMENTS. UM, Y'ALL DID A JURISDICTIONAL STUDY ON THAT, ON THAT FLOODWAY TO DETERMINE THAT IT'S NOT FEDERAL. AND AND THE REASON WHY THEY DID THAT WAS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE BOXES. IS THAT CORRECT? IN IN LIEU OF, IN LIEU OF HAVING TO BUILD MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BRIDGES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAKES THESE THINGS IMPOSSIBLE. AND, AND TO WE COULD CROSS THAT MULTIPLE TIMES. AND THEN WE'RE SEEING HOW FAR THAT NON-JURISDICTIONAL GOES AS WE GO INTO THE SOUTH TRACK. 'CAUSE WE HAVE, LIKE IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN COFFEE CREEK AND YOU GO OVER THAT, THERE'S A DEEP RAVINE THAT OVERLOOKS. AND SO WE'RE EXPLORING ON THAT BOULEVARD HAVING LIKE A BIG COAL BRIDGE, LIKE AN OLD, YOU KNOW, LIKE LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING A TRAIN WOULD GO OVER, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT AND WHAT THAT MIGHT BE. AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP IT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FEDERAL JURISDICTION IS SOMETHING WE CAN RUN THROUGH THE CITY. UM, THE MOST, THE MOST EXCITING THING I AM ABOUT THIS. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT YOU SAYING YOU LIKE IT, HOW IT IS. I DO TOO. I GREW UP IN WEST, BRO. I LIVED THERE UNTIL I WAS 17, UNTIL MY FOLKS COULD AFFORD TO MOVE OUT AT BRYANT SIMMONS. AND I WENT TO, I WENT TO EDMOND NORTH AND, AND I WAS POOR AND YOU KNOW, I KNEW WHAT IT WAS LIKE NOT BEING INCLUDED IN OAK TREE. I KNEW WHAT IT WAS LIKE SNEAKING ON TO PLATE AT COFFEE CREEK. AND GRANTED THESE ARE 350,000 HOUSES. I MEAN THAT'S WHAT MY FOLKS PLACE WAS ON FIVE ACRES AND A 4,000, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOT HOUSE WHEN I WAS 18. AND, YOU KNOW, WE FINALLY GOT TO MOVE OUTTA WESTBORO. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S $220 MILLION WORTH OF REAL ESTATE. AND AND THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY NICE HOUSE FOR A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE. AND, AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THAT, THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THAT SUGGEST THAT THEY ARE 31% OF THE MARKET OF YOUR ONLINE SHOPPERS. [01:10:01] SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ONCE FIRST PHASE MOVES IN OVER HERE, HOPING THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS FIRST PHASE MOVES IN, THAT'S PRODUCING TAX DOLLARS. THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT MAY BETWEEN 85 AND 135,000 A YEAR, UH, THEY'RE LIVING IN A 300 TO 400,000 HOUSE AND THEY SPEND ALL THE MONEY ON ORDERING FOOD AND THEY SPEND ALL THE MONEY ON AMAZON. AND I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE, SPEAKING TO THE RETAIL, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING TO PLAN THE RETAIL SMART. WHEN THESE GUYS STARTED EXAMINING THIS, AND I WAS EXAMINING THE RETAIL AT ESPORT GOING, OKAY, WELL 10 OR 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THE TOTAL SALES IN THE UNITED STATES WERE AROUND SIX TO 7% TOTAL SALES E-COMMERCE. BY THE TIME THEY HAD THIS CODIFIED THAT NUMBER WAS CLOSER TO 14%. RIGHT NOW IT'S STRONG 17% ALL TOTAL RETAIL SALES E-COMMERCE. AND THEY'VE GOT A NEGATIVE 4.4 MILLION RETAIL SPACE RIGHT NOW. AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, RETAIL IS STRONG, RETAIL'S DOING GOOD, BUT IT'S CERTAIN TYPES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A MALL HERE, SO WE CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE BRIDGES FOR IT. YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE JUST DON'T, BUT WE DO NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THOSE THINGS. AND AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE WORK VERY GOOD TOGETHER ON IS, YOU KNOW, PLANNING THIS COMMERCIAL STRATEGICALLY SO THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY GETTING, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 30 FOOT LOT AND SMALLER AND THE TOWN HOME MODEL AND SMALLER DIED AT EAST FORK. 'CAUSE WE HAD ENOUGH AND EVEN THE STUDY SAID WE, WE ACTUALLY PROBABLY HAD TOO MUCH. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE FLEXIBILITY WHERE WE'LL HAVE TO GO PUT FORTIES AND FIFTIES IN THERE AS FAR AS LOTS DOWN THE ROAD 'CAUSE WE HAVE TOO MUCH OF THAT PRODUCT. BUT THIS PRODUCT WAS PERFECT BECAUSE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THEY'RE GOING TO A 4,000 FOOT LOT BECAUSE THEY WANNA SPEND TIME IN THEIR BACKYARD. THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT A FENCE, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE 20 FOOT SETBACK ON THE FRONT. AND, AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THE CONNECTEDNESS IN THE MIDST OF THOSE BLOCKS AND WALKING IN BETWEEN THERE. I MEAN, MY HOPE AND PRAYER IS THAT THERE'S NO FENCES IN BETWEEN THERE AND WE HAVE CONNECTEDNESS THROUGH THERE, BUT THE, THE BEST THING OF ALL THIS IS, IS THEY'RE CONNECTED TO THE MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES. THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT EXCLUDED BY GATES. AND UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF EDMOND I WANNA BUILD. THAT'S THE KIND OF EDMOND I WANNA BE A PART OF. AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WHAT WE HAD HOPED, BUT I THINK WE'VE SET SOME VERY RESPONSIBLE LIMITATION TO IT AND WE'VE PROVIDED A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR EDMOND TO MAKE A TON OF MONEY OFF OF THIS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE APPLICANTS BEFORE WE LOOK FORWARD? YES, I HAD ONE REAL QUICK. UM, AM I UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BUYING OUR WATER AND THIS IS FOR ENGINEERING QUESTION. ARE WE BUYING OUR WATER FROM LOGAN COUNTY FOR THIS? I MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT DAVID HAD SAID. I I THINK THAT'S A CON I MEAN, UNLESS YOU WANT TO ANSWER IT, BUT THAT'S A CONVERSATION FOR NOT OUR COMMITTEE. FOR WHAT? NOT OUR COMMITTEE. THAT'S A OH, OKAY. THAT'S A WHOLE THING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DEAL WITH THAT. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S A ALRIGHT. SO SORRY, SORRY. NO, I APPRECIATE THE BACKUP. YEP. THAT'S ABOVE US. SO, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME? ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE LOOK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO PUT THIS ON THE TABLE FOR A VOTE? OKAY. LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO PUT THIS FOR A VOTE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM CHIP SECOND. SECOND FROM AUSTIN. THANK YOU. BY A VOTE OF ZERO TO FIVE THAT DOES NOT PASS HERE AND IT ENDS HERE TONIGHT. MOVING ON TO CITIZENS COMMENT. THIS IS A CON THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY CITIZENS THAT WISH TO COMMENT ON PLANNING COMMISSION RELATED ITEMS. NOT ON THE AGENDA. SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE CLOSED AND LOOKING FOR, UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE ANY COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE NONE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SECOND AND A SECOND. WOW. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.