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          IT'S 
          [1. Call to Order.]
THREE 30. 
          WE'LL CALL THIS, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT ADVISORY BOARD MEETING TO ORDER OUR, UH, FIRST 
          [2.  Discussion of Quorum, Abstention, Voting, and Meeting Rules.]
ITEM UP TODAY IS A DISCUSSION OF QUORUM ABSENTEEISM, VOTING, AND MEETING RULES. 
          THANK COREY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          COREY ATKISSON, COLEY CITY CLERK FOR THE CITY OF EDMOND. 
          UH, WAS ASKED BY STAFF TO BE HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, A FEW THINGS. 
          UM, SO STARTING, UH, WELL, FIRST MY OBLIGATORY, UH, ANYTHING I'M SAYING TODAY IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. 
          IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS THAT ARE OF LEGAL NATURE, WE WILL INVOLVE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, BUT JUST PROVIDING SOME BEST PRACTICES AND SOME STANDARDS, UM, THAT WE, UH, ADVISE ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OF. 
          SO, ONE, UM, YOU HAVE A 13 MEMBER BOARD. 
          UM, OF THOSE TWO ARE EX-OFFICIO, NON-VOTING MEMBERS. 
          SO THE QUORUM OF YOUR BOARD IS SIX MEMBERS. 
          SO YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AT LEAST SIX VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. 
          UM, TWO, AS IT PERTAINS TO VOTING, IT IS NOT A MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT THAT IS REQUIRED TO PASS A MOTION. 
          IT IS A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE BOARD. 
          SO IN ADDITION TO HAVING SIX MEMBERS PRESENT TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS, YOU WILL NEED AT LEAST SIX YES VOTES TO PASS ANY MOTION. 
          SO THAT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS ASKED ABOUT WAS ABSTENTIONS. 
          AND SO, UM, THERE IS A SEPARATE PROVISION OUTSIDE OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT THAT REQUIRES ABSTENTIONS TO BE COUNTED AS NO VOTES FOR PURPOSES OF, UH, THE MINUTES. 
          SO, UM, IN ESSENCE, ANY TIME SOMEONE IS ABSTAINING, THEY'RE ACTUALLY VOTING. 
          NO. 
          MY ADVICE AND WHAT WE ADVISE, UH, OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO DO IS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ABSTAIN ON AN ITEM, PERHAPS YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR JUST FOR SOME REASON ARE NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING ON AN ITEM. 
          MY ADVICE IS TO STEP OUT OF THE ROOM, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM AND THEN STEP BACK IN, UH, WHEN THAT ITEM IS CONSIDERED. 
          AND THAT CAN BE RECORDED IN THE MINUTES. 
          UM, YOU OF COURSE, IF YOU ONLY HAVE SIX MEMBERS PRESENT AND ONE PERSON WISHES TO ABSTAIN, YOU WOULD THEN NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF YES VOTES TO BE ABLE TO PASS A MOTION. 
          SO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. 
          UM, MAY I, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? OF COURSE. 
          SO, ON THE ABSTENTION, UHHUH , ON ONE OF OUR MINUTES THAT WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT, UM, IN THE MEETING MINUTES, IT SHOWS THAT RANDY AND I ABSTAINED FROM VOTING ON APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS ONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE WE WERE ABSENT MM-HMM . 
          SO WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, AS, AS IT PERTAINS TO PRACTICE AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THERE IS NO OBLIGATION OF A BOARD MEMBER TO NOT VOTE ON PREVIOUS MINUTES. 
          EVEN IF YOU WERE NOT AT THE MEETING, I CERTAINLY WOULD MAYBE REFLECT WITH OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MEMBERS THAT WERE PRESENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE ACCURATE. 
          UM, BUT YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO NOT VOTE ON THOSE ITEMS BECAUSE YOU WERE ABSENT. 
          I THINK IT, IT IS, UM, IT IS KIND OF THE IMPERATIVE OF, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THAT SITUATION, YOU WOULD NEED SIX YES VOTES, AND IF THERE'S ONLY SIX OR SEVEN PEOPLE PRESENT, UM, YOU WOULD EITHER NEED TO CONTINUE THE AGENDA ITEM UNTIL THAT NECESSARY NUMBER OF PEOPLE WERE BACK, OR YOU COULD CONSIDER VOTING YES FOR THAT ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE BACK ON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION AND JUST KIND OF IN TALKING WITH STAFF OF, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORMAL IN HERE, UM, VERSUS MAYBE, UM, SOME PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES. 
          UM, I HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, THE CITY COUNCIL AND EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING RULES. 
          YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION AS A BOARD TO FOLLOW THOSE. 
          COUNSEL HAS NOT ADOPTED THEM FOR ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS USE, BUT WE DO RECOMMEND THAT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TRY TO CUE TO THOSE AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE, MAINLY FOR THE SAKE OF CONSISTENCY FOR CITIZENS THAT MAY COME TO MULTIPLE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS, SO THEY HAVE A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE FOLLOWING IN A AGENDA ITEM THAT'S GOING, UH, TO THIS, UM, MEETING AND THEN TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK TOO, ON, ON THE MEETING MINUTES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE DO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF NOW IS THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND, AND RECORDED. 
          AND SO IF YOU MISS, YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO WATCH THE FULL MEETING AND FEEL CONFIDENT ON THE, THE MEETING MINUTES, UH, BEING VOTED ON. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
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YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          [3. Consideration of Approval Items:]
WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM THREE, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL ITEMS AND ITEM THREE, A CONSIDERATION OF THE APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES. 
          WE HAVE TWO MEETING MINUTES HERE FOR MARCH 24TH, 2026, AND APRIL 21ST, 2026. 
          ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THESE TWO SETS OF MINUTES? TWO VOTES FOR THAT? YEP. 
          SO, UM, LET'S, LET'S DISCUSS THE MARCH 24TH, 2026 MEETING, UH, MINUTES. 
          FIRST MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          I HAVE A MOTION FROM PATRICE SECOND AND A SECOND FROM PEGGY. 
          PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. 
          I, NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT MOTION DOES PASS. 
          AND WE WILL ALSO CONSIDER THE APRIL 21ST, 2026 MEETING MINUTES. 
          MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND THANK YOU. 
          MOTION FROM RANDY. 
          AND WHO WAS THE SECOND? WAS IT CHRIS? ALL RIGHT. 
          PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT MOTION DOES PASS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, ONTO DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          SO THOSE WERE OUR ONLY, UH, VOTING ITEM FOR THE DAY. 
          UM, FOUR A 
          [A.  Covell Corridor Long-Range Planning Discussion.]
IS COVE CORRIDOR LONG RANGE PLANNING DISCUSSION. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, STEVE LAWRENCE, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. 
          UH, SO WE'RE BEGINNING OUR PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH OUR EIGHT YEAR ROADWAY PLAN, AND WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT ALL THE DATA, UM, THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO KIND OF NOTICE A TREND. 
          UM, YOU PULL UP THE CRASH DATA. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT THE CRASH CRASH DATA. 
          WE'VE LOOKED AT THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT MODEL, UH, PREVIOUS CITIZEN FEEDBACK, AS WELL AS SOME CITIZEN FEEDBACK WE GOT DURING THE GEO BOND, UH, SERIES THAT, THAT WE, PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE HELD PRIOR TO THAT. 
          UM, SO ONE THING THAT, UH, WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS COVAL AND, AND HOW WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE THAT. 
          UM, JUST TO KINDA GO THROUGH SOME HISTORY. 
          I KNOW SOME OF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD A REALLY LONG TIME AND MAY KNOW A LOT MORE OF THE HISTORY THAN, THAN OTHERS, UH, BUT JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GO BACK AND KIND OF START AND TALK ABOUT KOVAL. 
          UM, SO IN THE MID 1980S, UH, EDMUND LOBBIED ODOT TO, UM, REBUILD THE DANFORTH INTERCHANGE ON I 35. 
          UM, THEY GOT THE ODOT CONVINCED OF THAT, AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THEY CONVINCED ODOT TO MOVE THAT TO VALE ROAD, WHICH, UH, WAS NOT ANTICIPATED TO HAVE AN INTERCHANGE. 
          UM, BUT THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT 1988 ODOT, UH, COMMITTED TO AN INTERCHANGE AT, AT COBELL ROAD, UH, IN 1994. 
          THE COVAL INTERCHANGE WAS COMPLETED, UH, IN 1997. 
          THE CITY ENGINEER HERE AT THE TIME, STACY TRUMBO, WHO'S NOW THE COUNTY ENGINEER, UH, HE HAD BEEN WORKING AT ODOT. 
          HE KNEW ABOUT THIS INTERCHANGE. 
          UH, HE KNEW WHAT IT WOULD MEAN FOR NORTH EDMOND, AND HE WORKED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME TO COMMIT TO A ANOTHER EAST WEST CORRIDOR IN EDMOND. 
          SO SECOND STREET WAS THE MAJOR CORRIDOR. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT RELIEVING TRAFFIC FROM IT, HAVING ANOTHER EASTWEST CORRIDOR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH AND I LOOKED AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS OF COVAL FROM 1997. 
          AND, UH, SURPRISINGLY HOW MUCH FARMLAND WAS, WAS STILL OUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYWHERE FROM MITCH PARK TO, TO, UH, BNSF, KIND OF THE RAILROAD AREA WAS JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, COFFEE CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD WASN'T THERE. 
          VERY LITTLE OUT THERE. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHING THE CORRIDOR LIKE THAT, WHAT WHAT THAT DID WAS, IT WAS A LONG RANGE PLAN TO ABLE TO, AS THE, THE NORMAL PROCESS IS WHEN, UH, LAND DEVELOPER, UH, IS DEVELOPING THE LAND, THEY WILL GRANT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THAT LAND TO THE CITY FOR RIGHT OF WAY OUT ON COVAL MAJOR ROADS, UM, AND LAND IN EDMOND'S. 
          ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE THINGS THAT THE CITY DEALS WITH ON CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IS IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          UM, SO HAVING THAT LONG RANGE PLAN IN PLACE AND ALLOWING AS IT DEVELOP TO BOTH, UH, DEDICATE THE AMOUNT OF, OF RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED FOR OUR ROADS, BUT ALSO TRY TO IMPROVE THOSE AS WE GO, WAS, WAS THE GENERAL INTENT. 
          UM, SO 
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AS, UH, KIND OF THE GENERAL PROCESS OF ROADS AS, AS WELL, I KIND OF WANTED TO GO OVER THAT. 
          UM, SO COVAL WAS BUILT BY OKLAHOMA COUNTY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE FORTIES, FIFTIES, UH, THEY WOULD BUILD, OKLAHOMA COUNTY WOULD BUILD PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN FAR EAST EDMOND. 
          THEY WOULD BUILD A REALLY GOOD BASE MATERIAL WITH A VERY LITTLE BIT OF ASPHALT OVER THE TOP OF IT. 
          AND, UH, WITH THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS WE GO THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS WE REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO ADD LANES ONTO THAT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN. 
          UM, IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR GENERAL, UH, TRAFFIC AND, AND MOVING PEOPLE AROUND. 
          IT'S GOOD AS FAR AS LONG TERM, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GREAT SOLUTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE HILLS. 
          SO WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU REDESIGN THE ROADS IS WE GO THROUGH 'EM, WE CUT DOWN THE HILLS, FILL IN THE VALLEYS, MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU CAN DRIVE SAFELY THROUGH THERE AND BE ABLE TO VISUALLY SEE EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO SEE FOR SAFETY. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE GO THROUGH AND REPLACE THE PAVEMENT THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, THE CENTER TWO LANES AND COVAL, AND SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, 3, 2, 3 AND FOUR LANES, THOSE ARE STILL BUILT BASICALLY TO THE COUNTY STANDARD. 
          WE'VE PUT MAYBE AN INCH OR TWO MORE ASPHALT OVER 'EM, BUT THERE'S STILL A PAVEMENT THAT IS BUILT FOR VERY LOW VOLUMES. 
          UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO WITH OUR PROJECTS, UM, AND REALISTICALLY, AS SOON AS WE FIGURE OUT KIND OF HOW GROWTH IS HAPPENING IN GENERAL, WE FOLLOW GROWTH WITH ROADS AND KIND OF ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO DO ALL THAT THEY CAN DO, AND THEN WE FILL IN GAPS. 
          UM, AND SO ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT IS REPLACING THE PAVEMENT IN THE CENTER TWO LANES. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW COVE HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC. 
          UM, IT HAS OVER 25,000 PEAK CARS, UH, AT COVAL IN SANTA FE EVERY DAY. 
          UH, OVER 25,000 CARS AT COVELL AND BRYANT EVERY DAY. 
          AND, UH, OVER 22,000 AT COBELL AND COLTRANE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING, UM, WITH OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE SOONER AND COBELL CORNER WITH ALL THE RETAIL THAT'S GOING IN, IT'S GONNA GO IN FAIRLY QUICKLY, AND IT WILL BE ANOTHER DRIVER OF TRAFFIC. 
          UH, ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW NEIGHBORHOODS UP OF OFF COFFEE CREEK ROAD, UM, WHICH ARE ALSO GOING TO ACCESS I 35 THROUGH THIS COVE CORRIDOR. 
          UM, SO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR PAVEMENT MODELS, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE LOOK AT IS REPLACING IT WITH CONCRETE, UM, OR WITH A PAVEMENT THICKNESS THAT CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING TO RESURFACE COBELL ABOUT EVERY EIGHT YEARS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S ALL, AT LEAST THE ASPHALT PARTS THAT HAVE NOT, HAVE NOT BEEN WIDENED. 
          WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE THAT ABOUT EVERY EIGHT YEARS, AND IT'S A, IT'S AN ONGOING, UH, MAINTENANCE COST. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, AND WHAT WE'LL BRING TO YOU LATER ON IS COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF LOOKING AT REBUILDING THE ROAD IN A MORE SUBSTANTIAL, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY CONCRETE, THE WAY THE REST OF, OF COVAL HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT, AND WHAT THAT DOES TO OUR KIND OF OVERALL PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT. 
          'CAUSE ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE'VE BEEN TASKED TO WORK ON IS GETTING OUR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX UP TO A HIGHER LEVEL. 
          UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL GATHERING DATA, UM, BUT I, I, I WANTED TO KIND OF COME TO YOU GUYS AND JUST LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          WE'RE SEEING THAT A LOT OF OUR CRASHES ARE ON COVE. 
          WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THE THREE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS IN PARTICULARLY, UH, SANTA FE, UH, BRYANT AND COLTRANE ARE ONES THAT WERE HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES WITH MAINTENANCE AND TRAFFIC, UM, AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. 
          AND FOR THE MOST PART, I WOULD SAY FOR THE COVE CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE FUNDS TO USUALLY SPEND OUT FRONT AHEAD OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE WOULD LOVE TO, BUT WE DON'T. 
          UM, THE WAY THAT WE'VE DONE THE CORRIDOR IS TO KIND OF SLOW ROLL IT, LET THE DEVELOPERS DO AS MUCH AS THEY CAN GO THROUGH PROJECTS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE FOR US TO DO. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, UH, IT, IT, IT JUST TAKES TIME TO DO THINGS. 
          AND, AND AT SOME POINT, UH, THERE'S AREAS THAT ARE LIKE NOT VERY DEVELOPABLE. 
          FOR INSTANCE, THE INTERSECTION OF COVELL AND COLTRANE IS MAINLY FLOODPLAIN. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE CORNER THAT IS POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING OUT THERE, BUT THE OTHERS GOLF COURSE AND THE OTHERS HAVE A LOW PROBABILITY OF DOING ANYTHING UNTIL THERE'S A ROAD WIDENING. 
          UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RECOUPMENT IN THAT, IN THAT PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY SPEND THE MONEY TO WIDEN THE ROAD. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          WE'RE 
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DOWN TO KIND OF THE LAST SECTIONS THAT ARE, ARE DIFFICULT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS TO DO ON THEIR OWN. 
          UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PAVEMENT AND THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AS WELL AS ALL THE SAFETY. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, DON'T REALLY NEED ANY DECISIONS FROM YOU TODAY. 
          THAT'S WHY THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          I JUST WANT YOU TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN EARLY INDICATION OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS TO LOOK AT THIS 2027 CIP SALES TAX IS DEDICATED A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR ROADS AND, AND LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH PRIORITIZING COVAL AND JUST GET IT DONE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE, WHEN BRAD AND I WERE GOING THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE GO BOND PROCESS, WE, WE WENT AND DID ALL THE ROAD SHOWS AND MET WITH THE PUBLIC A LOT. 
          ONE THING WE HEARD CONSISTENTLY FROM THEM WAS THAT THEY HAD THOUGHT FROM THE 2000 SALES TAX THAT COBELL WAS PART OF THAT, AND WE HAVEN'T FINISHED IT YET. 
          WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? SO WE'VE HEARD OF THE STAFF, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT COVE NOT BEING DONE, AND, UM, THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRIORITIZE THAT AND GET IT DONE. 
          UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT INITIAL COSTS FOR THE COBELL CORRIDOR, UM, TO DO ALL OF THE INTERSECTIONS FROM A THOUSAND FEET WEST OF SANTA FE, BASICALLY TO I 35. 
          UM, CURRENT COSTS ARE AROUND 75 MILLION FOR, FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE SECTIONS, 75 TO 80. 
          THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL, UH, 15 TO 20, UH, MILLION AS FAR AS LOOKING AT, UM, BUYING RIGHT OF WAY, UH, ENGINEERING COSTS, AS WELL AS MOVING UTILITIES. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT WOULD TAKE THE MAJORITY OF FUNDING IF WE CHOSE TO GO THAT DIRECTION AND JUST SAY, LET'S PRIORITIZE COVAL, LET'S DO IT, LET'S GET IT DONE. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FIGURING OUT, FINALIZING THOSE NUMBERS, BUT IN ROUND NUMBERS, UH, THE 2027 CIP SHOULD PROVIDE CONSERVATIVELY AROUND 110 TO $120 MILLION. 
          AND THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT COULD COME IN LESS THAN THAT, BUT ALSO CONSERVATIVELY THAT'S ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO THE, THE ENTIRE I 35 TO, TO SANTA FE SECTION OF CO COVAL. 
          SO, UM, LOT TO THINK ABOUT, UM, A LOT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT AND LOOK AT. 
          UM, AND SO REALLY JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GET SOME INPUT FROM THE BOARD ABOUT THOUGHTS ON, UH, HOW TO PRIORITIZE COVAL AS FAR AS OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR ROAD NETWORK AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH MORE INFORMATION NEXT MONTH. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE DOING KIND OF COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON, UH, CONCRETE AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, ON OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT STUDY, ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE CONCRETE SHOW UP, YOU KNOW, 99 OR A HUNDRED AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, IN 1969, BEFORE I WAS BORN, UH, OKLAHOMA COUNTY DID, UH, THE UNDERPASS ON SECOND STREET, EDMOND ROAD, UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD. 
          UM, AND SO THEY DID THAT AT CONCRETE BACK WHEN THE ADTS, I THINK WERE 1700 CARS A DAY. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE GET IT GETS A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAN THAT, BUT IT WAS DONE WITH CONCRETE. 
          AND YES, THERE ARE SOME PANELS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED AND SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE, BUT OTHER THAN CRACK CEILING AND RES STRIPING, THAT'S ALL WE'VE DONE WITH THAT ROAD FOR THE LAST 55 YEARS. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S ONE THING WE'RE LOOKING AT INTUITIVE TO INTUITIVELY, UH, THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IS SAYING, IF WE GO TO CONCRETE ON OUR HIGH VOLUME ROADS, THAT IT WILL BE COST EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE IN THE LONG RUN. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GOING THROUGH COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS ON IT. 
          SO FIRST QUESTION, YES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE TIMEFRAME LISTED ON THE, ON THE AGENDA AS YOU KNOW, NOT APPLICABLE, BUT I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING FOR THE EIGHT YEAR PLAN TO, TO, TO BE LIKE, OKAY, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC, IS WHAT WE WANT TO, WHAT WE WANNA FOCUS ON. 
          YEAH, I WOULD SAY ON THE EIGHT YEAR PLAN, UM, WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT SOME OF THE NON TANGIBLES THERE, AND THIS IS ONE OF 'EM, RIGHT? UM, WE THINK THAT THE DATA ON THIS IS GONNA SHOW US THAT IT'S, IT'S LIKELY BEST FOR THE PAVEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONCRETE ON ALL THESE SECTIONS. 
          UM, AND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE COULD, UH, JUST KEEP, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGHOUT TOWN AND, AND RESURFACING AND DOING WHAT WE DO. 
          THE, THE OTHER PORTION IS THE 20, UH, OR, OR THE 2000 CIP, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE THREE QUARTER CENT SALES TAX RIGHT NOW. 
          TWO THIRDS OF THAT IS GOING TOWARD LOAN REPAYMENT, AND IT WILL FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS. 
          SO EFFECTIVELY WE'VE GOT A QUARTER CENT SALES TAX ON THAT. 
          UH, AND RIGHT 
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NOW WE PLAN IN THE SHORT TERM AT LEAST, TO SPEND THAT JUST ON ROADS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS THAT, UM, IF WE COMMIT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING THE, THE COVEL CORRIDOR, UM, THEN WE'LL NEED FOR THE, AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT, UH, SHORT TERM FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, UM, THAT OTHER 2000 CIP AND COMMIT MOST OF THAT TO RESURFACING ALSO TO KIND OF CATCH BACK UP TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH THE PAVEMENT. 
          SO, UH, AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE TIMING OF IT, I THINK WE, WE'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS LIKE THIS THAT WE KIND OF NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON, SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ANYTIME YOU LOOK AT WIDENING A ROAD, UM, IT'S LIKE, WELL, DOES THIS BENEFIT THE ENTIRE CITY? AND THAT'S NOT REALLY KIND OF HOW IT WORKS. 
          WE, WE HAVE TO KIND OF FOLLOW THE GROWTH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD EARLY TWO THOUSANDS AFTER I FIRST STARTED WORK AT EDMOND, WE, UH, WERE WIDENING 15TH STREET FROM BURLINGTON NORTHERN ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. 
          AND THAT WENT IN MOSTLY WITH MEDIAN, SIMILAR TO COVELL. 
          UM, I LEARNED TODAY THAT, I GUESS THE WIDENING OF BROADWAY FROM SECOND TO 15TH STREET, THE CITY DID THAT AS WELL WITH, UH, 1996 SALES TAX IN THE LATE NINETIES. 
          WE WIDENED THAT. 
          UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A FEW INSTANCES WHERE NOT NECESSARILY WILL IT BENEFIT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          WE THINK COVE IS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT IT WILL, BECAUSE IT WILL ALSO, IT WOULD RELIEVE TRAFFIC OFF OF SECOND STREET. 
          UM, SO, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF NON TANGIBLES LIKE THAT THAT IS KIND OF OUTSIDE THE DATA. 
          LET'S FIGURE OUT KIND OF DIRECTION OF THE COMMUNITY, HOW IMPORTANT IT'S COVAL TO GETTING IT DONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BRAD, DO YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? WHAT, AS FAR AS THE, YEAH, SO WE'VE GOT A SPREADSHEET THAT'S CALLED EIGHT YEAR PLAN. 
          IT'S GOT WAY MORE PROJECTS ON IT THAN WE CAN ACTUALLY GET DONE IN EIGHT YEARS. 
          SO PART OF WHY STEVE IS GIVING THIS PRESENTATION TODAY IS TO TRY TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL, WHETHER WE WANNA PRIORITIZE, UH, COVE. 
          SEE, IT JUST WENT AWAY. 
          COVE'S GONE. 
          WE DIDN'T PRIORITIZE. 
          OH, THERE IT IS. 
          SO YEAH. 
          'CAUSE IF WE, IF WE DO THIS ONE REALLY BIG PROJECT, ROUGHLY A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, THEN THE EIGHT YEAR PLAN IS PRETTY SMALL BECAUSE IT'S THAT AND MAYBE FIVE OTHER PROJECTS OVER THE ENTIRE TERM OF THE 2027 SALES TAX. 
          SO, UH, BUT IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO NECESSARILY PRIORITIZE COVE WITH THIS ONE TIME HIT, THEN THE PLAN BECOMES A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX AND WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE CERTAIN ASPECTS OF COVELL TO ACCOMPLISH AT DIFFERENT TIMES. 
          UH, BUT I MEAN, STEVE LAID OUT KIND OF WHAT ONE OPTION LOOKS LIKE IF WE WERE TO ATTACK COVE ALL AT ONE TIME, , I WAS MAKING SURE ME, , I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS YOU KNEW I WOULD PERFECT. 
          SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          WE WANNA HEAR YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          STILL BACK, I DON'T KNOW, 15 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS WITH WIDENING KELLY WAS THAT WE WANTED TO OFFLOAD THE TRAFFIC, SOME OF THE TRAFFIC OFF OF BROADWAY. 
          AND SO WE WANTED TO UNLOAD IT ONTO KELLY, WHICH IS WHY IT GOT WIDENED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO COVELL. 
          I THOUGHT WAY BACK THEN THAT THE IDEA WAS THAT THEN WE WERE GONNA, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN IN THE PLAN SINCE AT LEAST 2006 OR THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD THEN WIDEN COVELL SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT, THAT BIG OFF RAMP KIND OF, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, IT, IT IS, UH, IT HAS BEEN IN THE PLAN. 
          WE DID A TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN 2006. 
          IT, IT, IT OUTLINED ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED TO GET THIS DONE. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT HAS BEEN THE PLAN AND IT HAS WORKED. 
          I, I WILL SAY ON KELLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, UH, A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC HAS SHIFTED OFF BROADWAY FOR THAT. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S WORKING AND, UM, THERE'S A, A FEW AREAS WE NEED TO IMPROVE, BUT IT, IT'S WORKING FOR THE MOST PART AS FAR AS KINDA SPREADING THE TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND IT, IT HAS BEEN THE INTENT. 
          I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KIND OF GET BACK TO THAT INTENT AND SEEING IF, IF WE WANT TO SAY, HEY, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GO AND LET'S, LET'S, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DO AND, AND FINISH OUT THIS COBEL CORRIDOR. 
          A BIG PART OF IT IS MOVING TRAFFIC FROM ONE CORRIDOR TO ANOTHER. 
          UM, AS WE DID THE US 77 STUDY THAT WE'VE JUST ARE WRAPPING UP, UM, THE NATURAL PROGRESSION IS RIGHT AS THE RAILROAD STARTED THE CITY AND EVERYTHING WAS AROUND THE RAILROAD, AND THEN US 77 STATE HIGHWAY 66, OR US HIGHWAY 66, 
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EVERYTHING WAS BUILT AROUND IT. 
          AND THEN THE NATURAL PROGRESSION IS FOR CITIES TO GRADUALLY GET TRAFFIC AWAY FROM BROADWAY OR US 77. 
          UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP THAT ALONG A LITTLE BIT IN THE PLACES THAT IT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND SO, UM, THIS, THIS COVAL CORRIDOR WOULD HELP A LOT. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I I I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY, HEY, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF YOU'RE AT MITCH PARK AND YOU NEED TO GO BUY SOMETHING TO GO TO THE DICK'S AT COVAL AND SOONER INSTEAD OF THE ONE IN OKLAHOMA CITY? THERE'S, THERE'S THAT TYPE OF THING TOO, AS FAR AS MAKING IT EASIER TO GET ACROSS TOWN, ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE THESE NEW RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS OPENING TO BE ABLE TO JUST MOVE TRAFFIC IN GENERAL. 
          WE'VE DONE THE, WE'VE DONE THE SAME WITH WATER, UH, WITH OUR WATER SYSTEM FILL IN GAPS, BUT IN BIGGER LINES IN PLACES TO GET THE WATER WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO. 
          IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO TRAFFIC FORCE. 
          I THINK THAT THAT POINT ABOUT DICK'S IS VERY REAL. 
          LIKE I MM-HMM . 
          I DID THAT VERY THING. 
          I, I WAS AT MITCH AND I DROPPED A PIN, YOU KNOW, TO COVE AND I 35 OR TO PENN AND MEMORIAL, VIRTUALLY THE SAME DISTANCE. 
          PRETTY CLOSE, BUT MUCH FASTER, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC AND TIMES. 
          'CAUSE YOU DON'T GO THROUGH THOSE PINCH POINTS ACROSS COVE. 
          AND SO, RIGHT. 
          WHEN I THINK ABOUT NOT JUST THE COST AND THE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I WANT THOSE DOLLARS TO STAY IN EDMUND VERSUS GO TO OKLAHOMA CITY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN FOLLOWING THE WIDENINGS THAT WE DID ON KELLY, UH, AND COVE, UH, AND, UH, WEST, YOU KNOW, OUT NEAR MITCH PARK, UM, AND THEN THE, AS WE DID AT AIR I 35, THAT THAT PARTICULAR CENTER IN COVELL WIDENING IT, IT WAS REALLY GOOD FOR THE, UH, UH, THE RETAIL IN, IN THE AREA, RIGHT. 
          IT REALLY HELPED WITH EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY VALUES AND, AND WHO THEY COULD BRING IN. 
          A LOT OF, WE HEAR ALL THE TIME, I'M CONSTANTLY, MY WIFE SPENDS MORE THAN SHE SHOULD AT TRADER JOE'S EVERY THREE MONTHS AND IS CONSTANTLY GIVING THAT MONEY TO NICHOLS HILLS. 
          AND I'M KIND OF LIKE, SO EVERY DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN, I'M LIKE, HEY, CAN WE GET A TRADER JOE'S? AND IT, IT'S USUALLY RELATED TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE IN PLACE AS FAR AS ROADS AND HAVING GOOD PLACES FOR THEM TO ACCESS. 
          AND, UM, SO THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS ON THEIR CHECKLIST THAT THEY GO THROUGH. 
          SO WHEN, WHEN WE GET, UM, SOME INFORMATION FROM YOU WHEN YOU COME BACK TO TALK TO US, DO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION ON 18 WHEELERS VERSUS JUST REGULAR VEHICLES? UM, BECAUSE YOU SAID IT WAS ON COVELL, SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS WERE 22,000, SOME WERE 25,000. 
          DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THOSE ARE TRUCKS AND HOW MUCH AREN'T? BECAUSE I THINK THAT HELPS MAKE YOUR DECISION ALSO ON CONCRETE. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, CAN I, I WANT TO JUMP ONTO THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT TALKS ABOUT NOT JUST HIGHER TRAFFIC VOLUMES, BUT TRUCK TRAFFIC. 
          AND SO SAME QUESTION THAT PATRICE HAD. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT I WANT YOU TO ANSWER WOULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION OF LIMITATION OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC TO HELP WITH THE DETERIORATION, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE DO HAVE THE PLAN, BECAUSE CERTAINLY THAT'S INCREASING THE RATE AT WHICH IT'S DETERIORATING. 
          AND WE DO HAVE SOME ALTERNATIVES WHERE WE COULD BRING THEM, YOU KNOW, FROM I 35 HEADED WEST AND THEN NORTH SOUTH AS THEY NEED TO GO. 
          BUT GREAT QUESTION. 
          I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, MY QUESTION ON TOP OF THAT AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE WE HAVE A MIX. 
          OUR CURRENT TRAFFIC COUNTERS WE HAVE ENABLE US, US TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PERCENTAGE WE HAVE OF TRUCK TRAFFIC. 
          AND SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND IT IS, UH, IT'S ONE THAT REALLY RELATES A LOT TO PAVEMENT. 
          UM, ALL THE OLD HIGHWAYS WERE BUILT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS 10% TRUCK, TRUCK, TRUCK TRAFFIC. 
          AND AS THEY GET 30 TO 40% TRUCK TRAFFIC, UH, IT AFFECTS HOW THEY WERE BUILT. 
          AND SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE LEARNED THOSE LESSONS. 
          WELL, ONE THING, ONE THING I'LL, I KNOW FROM THE OTHER, MY ROLE AS A CORPORATION COMMISSIONER AND WE REGULATED TRUCKING, IF YOU DON'T KEEP ACCURATE COUNTS, THEN YOU DON'T GET REIMBURSED THE WAY THAT YOU SHOULD BE REIMBURSED FROM THE FOLKS THAT HAVE TO BUY THE LICENSES FOR THESE TRUCKS. 
          SO I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ALL THOSE NUMBERS SO WE'RE GETTING REIMBURSED FROM THE STATE AT THE LEVEL WE NEED TO GET REIMBURSED FROM. 
          TRULY. 
          AND THEN JUST FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES, FOR MY OWN SELF, HOW MUCH IS A MILE OF CONCRETE VERSUS A MILE OF LIKE RESURFACING, JUST AVERAGE? JUST GIMME A BALLPARK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE PUTTING THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER FOR YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I HAD ASKED WAS THE SAME QUESTION. 
          WHAT IS, UH, ONE MILE A NORMAL WIDENED SECTION OF ROAD, WHAT IS THAT COSTING US TO RESURFACE EVERY YEAR OR EVERY EIGHT YEARS? AS WELL AS, UH, WHAT IS A, A, A MILE OF CONCRETE? AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL GATHERING THAT DATA, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR YOU NEXT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TALK, COME TO 
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YOU AND JUST INTRODUCE THIS. 
          I WANT TO HEAR ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          I HAVE ONLY TWO MORE, I PROMISE. 
          UM, HOW MUCH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY HAVE WE ALREADY ACQUIRED ON COBELL OR HAVE WE NOT? DO YOU HAVE TO WAIT TILL YOU HAVE ENGINEERING DONE BEFORE YOU CAN ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAY IN GENERAL? YES. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          WE'VE BOUGHT BITS AND PIECES FOR THE INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS ON BRYANT'S AND INTERIM IMPROVEMENTS AT SANTA FE AS WELL AS COLTRANE. 
          UM, NOT ALL OF IT. 
          UM, AND YES, WE'VE GOTTA FINISH THE ENGINEERING BEFORE WE DO THAT. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF IT HAS BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, GRANTED TO THE CITY THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THROUGH, THROUGH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A BIT THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO BUY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT TO GET THE FULL SECTION WITH, UM, MEDIANS EVERYWHERE WE NEED THEM, UH, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK EVERYBODY EXPECTS OUT THERE. 
          I EVEN HEARD DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UH, NORTHWEST CORNER OF COLTRANE AND, AND COVAL HEARD THEM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IN EDMOND IS STARTING TO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF MEDIANS AND, AND WHAT THEY CAN DO TO PREVENT, YOU KNOW, DANGEROUS LEFT TURNS MM-HMM . 
          AND SO, UM, A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK ON THAT. 
          UM, I, YEAH, I WOULD SAY, UH, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN GENERAL, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, UM, THOSE ARE ALL OF THE, THE TOPICS THAT, THAT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM, FROM YOU ALL AND, AND GO THROUGH AND UNDERSTAND AND GET YOU THE ANSWERS TO. 
          UM, AND SO YEAH, AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. 
          THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS RELATED NOT JUST TO COVELL, BUT HOW MUCH DOES A TRAFFIC LIGHT COST THESE DAYS? SO, UM, IT, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IF YOU, IF, IF WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, WE CAN GET A TRAFFIC LIGHT FOR ABOUT $800,000, BUT THAT IS WITHOUT THE, YOU KNOW, UH, DECORATIVE PELCO POLES THAT WE, WE HAVE, UM, THE, THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN KIND OF AN, AS AN INTERIM STOPGAP MEASURES THAT ARE THE SPAN WIRE WHERE THEY'RE HANGING FROM A A WIRE, UM, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT THOSE IN FOR ABOUT FOUR TO $500,000 A PIECE. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT CHEAP. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW A STUDY FOR, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE GET REQUESTED A LOT IS, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHT, TRAFFIC SIGNAL. 
          UM, SO WE'RE DOING A STUDY RIGHT NOW TO SEE ALL THE INTERSECTIONS THAT HAVE, UH, THE FEDERAL MANDATES THAT SAY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THIS LOCATION, AND WE'LL PUT THOSE IN ORDER OF KIND OF HIGHEST TO LOWEST SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT ALL, ALL THE SIGNAL REQUESTS ACROSS THE, UH, EDMOND AND SAY, HEY, YEAH, THIS DOES NEED A SIGNAL, BUT THIS ONE NEEDS ONE MORE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE OUR DOLLARS NEED TO GO TO. 
          THIS IS MR. CARL. 
          DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY. 
          SHOULD, THIS MAY BE JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION, BUT I KNOW AS NEW TECHNOLOGIES COME ALONG, THERE'S NEW PRODUCTS THAT COME ALONG. 
          AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONCRETE, AND WE KNOW THAT CONCRETE IS SOLID. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NAME IS. 
          ISN'T THERE ANOTHER ONE CALLED KEFLEX OR? SO ONE THING THAT WE'VE DONE WITH IN COORDINATION WITH OKLAHOMA COUNTY, UH, IS WE'VE USED SOME ASPHALT, UH, THAT HAS, UH, ADDITIVES IN IT THAT HAS POLYMERS AND, UH, THE, THE SAME THING THAT BULLETPROOF VEST KEVLAR, UH, UH, MIXED INTO THE ASPHALT ITSELF. 
          AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HELP PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, LONGEVITY. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S STILL A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE EXPENSE OF THE KEVLAR ADDITIVE IS, IS BETTER THAN JUST ADDING ANOTHER INCH OF ASPHALT. 
          UM, SO IT IT'S STILL KIND OF IN, UH, EXPERIMENTAL STAGES, BUT THEY'VE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH IT IN OTHER, UH, LOCATIONS, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEP. 
          I, I WILL ADD JUST A BIT ABOUT THE COST COMPARISON BETWEEN ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. 
          SO IT USED TO BE PRETTY CLEAR THAT ASPHALT WAS CHEAPER, A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER OPTION. 
          UH, SOME OF THE WORLD EVENTS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS HAVE CHANGED THAT, WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY CLOSE IN COST. 
          UH, WHICH IS WHY FOR OUR, UH, RESURFACING PROJECT IN FY 27, IT'S GONNA BE EXCLUSIVELY CONCRETE BECAUSE THE COST IS COMPARABLE. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO DIVE INTO ASPHALT 
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RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE CRAZY HIGH ASPHALT PRICES. 
          UH, OIL IS PART OF ASPHALT, SO I THINK YOU CAN DO THE MATH THERE, WHY THAT IS HAPPENING. 
          SO, UH, YEAH, IT, WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE, BUT ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, CONCRETE MAKES AS MUCH SENSE, IF NOT MORE SENSE. 
          SO, UH, YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT NUMBER FOR YOU ON HOW MUCH AN ASPHALT ONE IS BECAUSE IT CHANGES ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAD A, OUR ASPHALT CONTRACTOR, UH, REALLY GOOD CONTRACTOR, THEY, THEY MAINTAINED THE PRICES FOR US ALL THE WAY THROUGH THEIR CONTRACT, WHICH IS STILL ONGOING, WHICH WAS GOOD IN GENERAL. 
          I, I, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO, ASPHALT WAS ALWAYS CHEAPER, RIGHT. 
          AND SO IT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF A, ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE USUALLY DID, OR LAND DEVELOPERS USUALLY DID. 
          UH, EVEN THOUGH AT THE, EVEN BACK THEN, THE, THE VALUE OF THE CONCRETE, UH, AND THE LIFECYCLE COST WAS CHEAPER FOR CONCRETE. 
          UH, IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, IT'S GOTTEN TO BE WHERE CONCRETE IS ACTUALLY THE SAME PRICE OR USUALLY A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER THAN THE ASPHALT. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF YOU'RE REBUILDING THE ROAD RIGHT NOW, IT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT WITH CONCRETE. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE JUST MAINTAINING WHAT THE TRUCKS ARE BEATING UP ALL THE TIME, WE PRETTY MUCH RESURFACE IT WITH, WITH ASPHALT. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW ON THE TURNPIKE AUTHORITY, WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE TURN TURNPIKE IS THEY'RE OVERLAYING ALL THOSE ASPHALT SECTIONS WITH CONCRETE. 
          UM, NOW THAT THEY'VE KIND OF GAUGED WHAT TR TRAFFIC IS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY'RE USING THE ASPHALT AS A BASE AND THEY CALL IT WHITE TOPPING BY PUTTING CONCRETE ON TOP OF IT. 
          BUT THE CONCRETE ALWAYS HAS A LOWER, UH, TOTAL COST WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIFECYCLE COSTS. 
          STEVE, MY, MY GREATEST CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY LOOKING AT THAT EIGHT YEAR PLAN AND, AND PUTTING SO MUCH INTO COVAL IS, IS LETTING OUR CONSUMERS, THE, THE TRADE AREA POPULATION OUTSIDE OF EVEN EDMOND CITY LIMITS GOING INTO CENTRAL LOGAN COUNTY, REALLY MATURE AND, AND KIND OF GROW INTO THIS COVAL. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT DESTINATION RETAILERS THERE AND, AND I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, EDMOND OR OR ANYONE ELSE TO NORMALIZE GOING BACK DOWN INTO CLASS AND CURVE OR TO MEMORIAL JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY PERCEIVE ARE GONNA BE TRAFFIC HEADACHES. 
          AND SO GIVING THAT DEVELOPMENT, THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MATURE AND GET PEOPLE ACCUSTOMED TO, UM, SPENDING DOLLARS THERE IS, IS REALLY CRITICAL. 
          I WOULD HATE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THESE NATIONAL BRANDS THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE COMING IN THAT, THAT HAVE ALL THE BACKING THAT THEY NEED. 
          I WOULD HATE FOR THEM TO GET OFF TO A ROCKY START AND PULL OUT. 
          ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'VE GOT GREAT BOXES ON I 35 THAT ARE SITTING VACANT. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A TRAVESTY. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANT THEM, I DON'T WANT IT TO CAUSE A HEADACHE WITHOUT PEOPLE HAVING GOTTEN SOME PRACTICE GOING TO THAT, LIKE HAVE SOME HABITS BEFORE YOU. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH, I THINK EITHER WAY. 
          SO IF, IF THEY CAN MEET THE SCHEDULE THEY IN SEND TO MEET, UM, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY ON A, ON THE, AS FAR AS WITH ALL THE RETAILS GOING IN OUT THERE, I, I THINK IT, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, I THINK THEY'LL BE OPEN FOR AT LEAST A WHILE BEFORE WE CAN. 
          IF WE SAID, YOU KNOW, NEXT MONTH, HEY, LET'S DO ALL OF COVELL AND LET'S GO OUT AND, AND SELL A A GET A LOAN, UM, AND, AND KIND OF FRONT LOAD IT, IT'LL STILL STILL TAKE PROBABLY FOUR YEARS BEFORE WE CAN, UH, GET STARTED. 
          WE HAVE TO BUY THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WE HAVE TO MOVE THE UTILITIES. 
          UM, AND SO AT THAT POINT THAT'S, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, BREAKING INTO PROJECTS AND FIGURING OUT WHAT, WHAT'S NEEDED AND HOW TO GET TRAFFIC AROUND. 
          WE'VE STARTED LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE INTERSECTIONS OF, UH, COFFEE CREEK AND SOONER AND THE INTERSECTIONS OF COFFEE CREEK AND COLTRANE STARTED LOOKING AT OTHER WAYS TO MOVE TRAFFIC TO AND FROM THOSE AREAS AS WELL, UM, DURING CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAMES, UM, AS, AS WELL AS IN THE OTHER, ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS LOOKING AT THE, DO THE, THE COVAL CORRIDOR NOW IS THAT ANOTHER ONE OF O DOT'S EIGHT YEAR PLANS IS TO REDO THE INTERCHANGE AT DANFORTH. 
          AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO IDEALLY BE DONE WITH THE COVAL BEFORE WE DO A LOT OF INTERCHANGE IMPROVEMENTS ON, AT THE DANFORTH AREA. 
          SO THAT'S, IT'S A, WHERE IS THE, WHERE'S THE WATERLOO INTERCHANGE ON ODO T'S PLAN? DO YOU, THE WA THE WATERLOO INTERCHANGE, IS THAT ON O D'S YOUR PLAN? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN DOING RIGHT AWAY. 
          I WOULD SAY IT'S DIFFICULT TO O DOT'S EIGHT YEAR PLAN RIGHT NOW HAS GONE TO A 16 YEAR PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE OF THE COST. 
          AND SO THEY'RE HAVING TO KIND OF JUGGLE EVERYTHING AND MOVE IT AROUND, 
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AND IT'S A, IT'S A CONSTANTLY MOVING TARGET RIGHT NOW, I JUST THINK ABOUT DANFORTH COVE AND WATERLOO. 
          I DON'T THINK ODOT WOULD DO THEIR TWO COURSES AT THE SAME TIME, BUT IF YOU HAD ALL THREE OF 'EM AT THE SAME TIME, THAT WOULD CAUSE A LOT OF FRUSTRATION. 
          YEAH. 
          THE INDICATIONS I'VE GOTTEN IS THAT WATER WATERLOO WOULD GO BEFORE DANFORTH, UH, BY SEVERAL YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND I, AND I THINK DANFORTH IS STILL PRETTY FAR OUT ON THEIR PLAN. 
          I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT GOT ADJUSTED. 
          WE DID WORK WITH THEM TO, UH, BUY RIGHT OF WAY AROUND DANFORTH TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS TAKEN CARE OF DURING THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL PRETTY FAR OUT. 
          UM, SAME WITH, YOU KNOW, THE I 35 FRONTAGE ROADS. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY TO EXPEDITE THEM. 
          AT ONE POINT IT WAS FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 28, AND THEY TOLD US IT WAS GONNA BE REALLY SOON, THEN THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 27. 
          SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT'S FALLING IN THE SCHEDULE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND SO I KNOW THAT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING TO LOOK AT AS WELL. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO, IT'S A COMPLICATED EIGHT YEAR PLAN TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT FROM A POINT OF VIEW OF WHAT WE CAN'T HAVE TOO MUCH CONSTRUCTION AT ONE, ONE PLACE AT ONE TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT CORRECT ME, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M THINKING OF ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE BY A FELLOW BOARD MEMBER. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECT, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING AS MUCH RETAIL IS BECAUSE WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IT IS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING AT SOONER. 
          UH, AND COVAL WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITH THAT AS WIDENING, UH, LIKE WE DID. 
          UM, IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE, AS FAR AS A RETAIL SPACE FOR EDMOND, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IDEAL AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, WATER, ALL THE UTILITIES. 
          IT IS IDEAL. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HAD PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL ACCESS AND IT'S GOT, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY ACCESSIBLE SITES IN EDMOND. 
          SO, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE AN OLD BRIDGE ON SOONER ROAD NORTH OF THERE THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON. 
          UM, BUT IN GENERAL, IN THE NEAR VICINITY OF, OF THE, THAT INTERSECTION IN THAT RETAIL, IT'S, IT'S GOT REALLY GOOD INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND, AND THE REASON THAT'S HAPPENING IS BECAUSE WE'VE DONE ALL WE'VE DONE. 
          AND THAT'S, STEVE, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW, AND SORRY, THIS IS OUTSIDE OF EDMOND, BUT DO YOU KNOW IF OKLAHOMA CITY HAS PLANS TO ALSO WIDEN COVELL SO THAT IT'S A CORRIDOR FROM 35 TO 77? OR LIKE, DOES IT JUST GET THERE AND JUST DIE? YEAH, SO, UH, WHEN WE INITIALLY HAD TALKS ON THE COVAL CORRIDOR, UH, WE, WE DID GET WITH OKLAHOMA COUNTY AT THE TIME, AND THEY HAD A COMMITMENT TO WORK ON THAT PORTION OF COVAL OUTSIDE OF EDMOND TO 74. 
          UM, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON LATELY WITH THAT IS OKLAHOMA COUNTY IS LOOKING AT, UH, PLACING ROUNDABOUTS IN, IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY HAVING TO DESIGN A ROUNDABOUT FOR WESTERN IN COVAL. 
          UM, AND THAT IS ROUNDABOUTS WORK GREAT. 
          IN SERIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OVER 25,000 CARS A DAY AT WESTERN IN COVAL MM-HMM . 
          AND IT IS ONE THAT WE HEAR ABOUT FREQUENTLY BECAUSE IT'S STOP SIGNS AND NOT A MM-HMM . 
          ITS TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT WE CAN MANIPULATE TO GET MORE CARS THROUGH. 
          UM, BUT THERE IS A, THERE HAS BEEN A COMMITMENT AND IT, AND I THINK THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT PART'S COMING. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GO TO AND FROM OKLAHOMA CITY ALONG THAT CORRIDOR MM-HMM . 
          EVERY DAY. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UH, OKLAHOMA COUNTY AND OKLAHOMA CITY AND THE PORTIONS THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT, UH, SINCE THEY'VE GOT SOME GEO BOND MONEY TO DO A LOT OF STUFF, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SEE HOW WELL THE ROUNDABOUT WORKS THERE TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WORTH PUTTING IN, IN SOME OF THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A BIG RETAIL COMPONENT? YEAH. 
          THE, THE, THE GOAL FOR OUR, I THINK OUR ENGINEERING STAFF IS TO PUT ROUNDABOUTS EVERYWHERE THAT WE CAN, THAT THEY MAKE SENSE AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SAFER. 
          THEY'RE SAFER THAN A, A SIGNALED INTERSECTION. 
          THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE LOVE 'EM, SOME PEOPLE HATE THEM. 
          UM, BUT THEY, I I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A GOOD EXAMPLE PLACE. 
          IT'S A NICE MM-HMM . 
          IT'S GOT ROOM, THE, IT'S NOT ON A SIDE OF A HILL. 
          WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO THE SAME AT OUR DEPOT AND COVELL, IT'S ON THE SIDE OF A HILL. 
          IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PLACE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SOME OF THESE PLACES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          WE LOOKED AT A ROUNDABOUT DESIGN FOR, UH, COVELL AND COLTRANE. 
          I LOOKED AT PUTTING A ROUNDABOUT AROUND THAT $11 MILLION NATURAL GAS. 
          WHAT 
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A CENTERPIECE. 
          MOVE IT TO THE MIDDLE. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVE IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. 
          UM, I TOLD O AND G AND ONE OAK, WE'LL PUT SOME BUSHES AROUND IT. 
          YEAH, IT'S FINE. 
          UM, BUT WE LOOKED AT IT THERE. 
          SURE. 
          BECAUSE IT'S A FLOODWAY AND FLOODPLAIN, IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT THERE. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, EVERY INTERSECTION HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE SURE. 
          A LOT OF IT IS IN THAT THESE INTERSECTIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT HAS TO DO WITH FLOODPLAIN AND DRAINAGE STRUCTURES AND HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IT GETS TO DO A ROUNDABOUT AT THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          UM, AND SO YEAH, WESTERN WILL BE OUR KIND OF FIRST EXAMPLE ON AN ARTERIAL ROAD IF THAT'S SUCCESSFUL. 
          I THINK WE WANNA MOVE TO LOOK AT OTHER LOCATIONS, PARTICULARLY EAST EDMOND, BUT ALSO SOME, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, UH, LIKE RIGHT NOW AT SOONER IN COFFEE CREEK ROAD, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ESPECIALLY PRIOR TO ANY WORK ON, ON COVAL WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE REROUTING AROUND THAT WAY. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, NO, GREAT QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH, THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT, STEVE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEP. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU ALL THINK OF ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE NEXT MONTH, JUST SEND THEM OUR WAY. 
          SHOULD WE EXPECT AN UPDATE A MONTH FROM YES. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          FOUR B IS 
          [B.  Monthly Sales Tax Report]
MONTHLY SALES TAX REPORT. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TWO MONTHS. 
          MATT. 
          HI GROUP, MATT NEWCOMB WITH FINANCE. 
          UM, AND WE CAN, WE CAN GO THROUGH BOTH OR WE CAN JUST GO THROUGH ONE. 
          BUT, UH, ALL THAT TO SAY SALES TAX IS STEADILY GOING UP IN MAY. 
          WE HAD ABOUT 0.081% YEAR TO DATE GROWTH USE TAX, WHICH I THINK WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH BEFORE THIS. 
          UH, NEITHER OF THE FUNDS RECEIVE ANY USE TAX, BUT FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES IN MAY IT WAS ABOUT 4.38%. 
          AND THEN COMBINED YEAR TO DATE, IT WAS 1.46%, STILL KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM, UH, COMPARED TO OUR PEER CITIES A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF YUKON. 
          SO, AND THEN LODGING TAX AT 2.2% GROWTH OR 2.12% GROWTH. 
          . 
          UM, AS FAR AS, UH, NEXT SECTOR, UM, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, RETAIL AND HOTEL RESTAURANTS ARE YOUR TOP TWO. 
          UM, WITH RETAIL DOMINATING MOST, IT'S ABOUT 60% OF OUR COLLECTIONS OF SALES TAX. 
          UH, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, , AND THEN GOING INTO JUNE, UM, WE, WE SEE WE'RE STILL SEEING CONTINUOUS GROWTH, ALMOST HITTING 1% THIS YEAR IN GROWTH IN SALES TAX AND, UH, HITTING ABOUT 5.334% IN USE, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS. 
          UM, SALES AND USE COMBINED. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE SALES TAX EFFECT ON, UH, ON UH, THE SALES AND USE COMBINE HOW MUCH WE RELY ON THAT SALES TAX. 
          AND AGAIN, KIND OF ABOUT BOTTOM TOWARDS THE PACK, BUT STILL GROWING, UM, DOING BETTER THAN LAST YEAR. 
          AND YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THAT, UM, YES, THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND ALL THAT TO SAY AGAIN, RETAIL'S KIND OF DOMINATING HOTEL AND RESTAURANTS, OUR SECOND, UH, BIGGEST INCOME DRIVER. 
          UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LEMME KNOW ANY QUESTIONS ON SALES AND USE TAX. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM FOUR 
          [C.  Discussion from Finance regarding the Finance Committee’s plan to create a Capital Maintenance plan for all capital assets.]
C IS DISCUSSION FROM THE FINANCE COM OR FROM FINANCE DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE FINANCE COMMITTEE'S PLAN TO CREATE A CAPITAL MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR ALL CAPITAL ASSETS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON TO YOU ALL. 
          I'M SHEILA BRI, I'M IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          I'M VERY SHORT  . 
          UM, I, UM, AM GLAD TO BE HERE. 
          I'VE BEEN ASKED TO COME TO YOU ALL. 
          UM, TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IS ALSO DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF ASSETS THAT THE CITY IS HA HAS IN THE AGING OF IT, WHICH WE KIND OF HEARD FROM STEVE AS WELL. 
          AND THEIR MAIN FOCUS RIGHT NOW IS TO PROVIDE AND DISCUSS AND CREATE A MAINTENANCE POLICY TO REPLACE AND REPAIR ITEMS AS WE GO THROUGH. 
          NOT ONLY STREETS, WE HAVE BUILDINGS, WE HAVE TRAILS, BEAUTIFUL TRAILS THAT WE JUST PUT IN AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? YOU KNOW, UM, WE WENT OUT FOR A LOAN OR WE GOT A GRANT OR WE GOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO PUT THESE ITEMS IN AND NO REAL FUNDING WAY TO REPLACE IT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW. 
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SO THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          THEY HAVE, UM, THEIR FOCUS IS TO, UH, EVENTUALLY HAVE A SEPARATE CIP PLAN BUDGET VERSUS AN OPERATION. 
          SO WE CAN REALLY SEPARATE THAT OUT. 
          UM, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE CHANGES, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG TERM GOAL OF ALL OF US. 
          AND ONE OF THE ASPECTS IS THIS, UM, CAPITAL MAINTENANCE RESERVE PLAN AND HOW WE GO ABOUT GETTING THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INPUT, UM, YOU ALL WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IF ANY, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOU SO THAT YOU COULD BE AWARE, BECAUSE MANY OF YOU ARE IN THIS, UH, CIP ARE, YOU KNOW, BUYING ASSETS, SO, AND PUTTING THEM ON THE BOOKS. 
          UM, THE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHO'S ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE? THE TREASURER ROSS, UM, VANDERHAM IS ON THERE. 
          UM, MAYOR NASH I BELIEVE IS ON THERE AND COUNCIL MEMBER PRESTON IS ON THERE. 
          AND TAYLOR WILSON, WHICH IS A CITIZEN, IT'S A SMALL GROUP. 
          DID I GET EVERYBODY? UH, RICK, RICK, RICK MCEWEN AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IT'S A SMALL GROUP. 
          THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE FINANCIAL PEOPLE. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE DEEP, DEEP, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE BOOKS, WHICH WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, AND THIS IS JUST GONNA BE DISCUSSION, BUT JUST THINGS FOR Y'ALL TO BE THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE AND YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, BRING IT TO ME OR WHATEVER IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          SO CREATING A POLICY ON HOW TO CREATE A MAINTENANCE RESERVE. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE RESERVES IN A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT WE OWN, UM, OR WE HAVE, BUT THEY'RE NOT DEDICATED FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          THEY'RE JUST, JUST RESERVES FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE. 
          AND THEY ARE REALLY WANTING TO FOCUS ON A RESERVE FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          NOT ONLY THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG EVERYBODY'S BEEN HERE, BUT WE HAD STORMS IN 2020, I THINK IN 2021, BACK TO BACK STORMS COST US $12 MILLION. 
          UM, WE DID FILE THAT ON FEMA AND IT TOOK FOUR PLUS YEARS TO GET 9 MILLION BACK, BUT WE STILL HAD TO COUGH UP THREE OR $4 MILLION. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT NICE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE IN TODAY, YOU KNOW, IF A TORNADO WERE TO HIT, HOW WOULD WE FUND THESE? AND, UM, THE RESERVES ALSO PLAY A PART WHEN WE GO OUT FOR BONDS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR LOANS, WHATEVER, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE? THEY'RE LOOKING AT OUR POLICIES TO SEE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE. 
          AND SO THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE COME UP WITH A POLICY AND, UM, THE GOVERNMENT, UM, FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION THAT WE'RE, WE LOOK TOWARDS FOR GUIDANCE ON ALL THIS. 
          THEY WORK WITH GASB FOR SETTING RULES AND STUFF. 
          THEY HAVE A, A SAMPLE POLICY OUT THERE ON A MAINTENANCE DEAL, UM, ON HOW TO KIND OF CREATE IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU. 
          YOU GOTTA DEFINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND HOW TO GET THERE. 
          WHETHER THAT MEANS SETTING ASIDE 5% OF YOUR RESERVES EVERY YEAR INTO A LINE ITEM IN YOUR RESERVES OR A CERTAIN PERCENT OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, ASSETS THAT A FIVE YEAR AVERAGE OVER YOUR ASSET. 
          SO THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN FUND THAT AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE. 
          SO AS WE WORK WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND THEY WORK WITH US AND WORK, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE TO RESERVES, IT'S JUST NOT DEDICATED FOR MAINTENANCE CAN BE USED FOR ANYTHING. 
          SO IN THIS POLICY, WE NEED TO DECIDE HOW AND WHAT THAT THOSE RESERVES CAN BE USED FOR. 
          HOW DO YOU JUST TAKE THOSE OUT AND USE 'EM? DO YOU USE 'EM BECAUSE YOU WANNA BUY SOMETHING NEW THIS YEAR? OR IS THERE, YOU KNOW, A SET PLAN FOR THAT? AND THEN HOW, HOW YOU REFUND IT. 
          LIKE HOW DO YOU PUT, IF YOU TAKE MONEY OUT, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET IT BACK UP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL? UM, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM IS THE GRADING AND HEALTH OF THE ASSETS. 
          AS STEVE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, I KNOW THAT MANY DEPARTMENTS HAVE WAYS OF, UM, GRADING AND THEY HAVE 
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A GRADING SCALE, SPECIFICALLY STREETS DO. 
          THEY GO OUT AND SCAN THE STREETS AND IT'S REALLY COOL STUFF. 
          UM, PARKS DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY HAVE SOME GUIDANCE THERE, YOU KNOW, SO EACH ONE HAS WATER'S PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WHAT THEIR ASSETS LOOK LIKE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT OVERALL, UM, THERE HAS BEEN TIMES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS TO A ROOF OR SOMETHING AND NOBODY HAS MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT ROOF TO BE REPAIRED. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          ALSO, GFOA, UM, ACTUALLY GASB IS REQUIRING US. 
          THEY'VE GOT A NEW PRONOUNCEMENT COMING OUT WHERE WE HAVE TO DISCLOSE ALL OF OUR ASSETS THAT ARE 80% USED OR MORE. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE TO BE SEPARATING OUR ASSETS OUT. 
          SO THAT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING AND UM, THAT'S NOT IN PLACE NOW, BUT IT'S COMING. 
          SO DO, DO WE HAVE A, AN ACCURATE VIEW OF WHAT THE HEALTH OF THOSE ASSETS ARE? I MEAN, DO WE KNOW WHAT'S 80% OR NOT, OR IS THAT ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS WE CAN LOOK AT? UM, AND THAT, THAT GOES INTO A WHOLE NOTHER SUBJECT BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY ASSETS ON THERE THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN OFF, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE, HAVE GONE WELL PAST THEIR, UM, USE USEFUL DATE. 
          BUT WE HAVE A CAPITAL, UH, DEPRECIATION SCHEDULE IN OUR, UM, ERP THAT WE USE AND WE LOOK AT, AND IT'S DIVIDED BY DEPARTMENT, SO WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT THE VALUE OF IT IS AND HOW MUCH DEPRECIATION IS GONE BY. 
          AND AS FAR AS WHAT THE GRADING OF THOSE ASSETS ARE, WE WILL BE GETTING WITH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF IDEA OF WHAT THOSE VALUES ARE TO THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT REALLY KNOW STEVE KNOWS THE STREETS. 
          I MEAN PARKS KNOWS THEIR TRAILS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED? THE LAST THING THAT I WANNA JUST HIT ON IN THE FUTURE IS THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IS REALLY, TRULY LOOKING FOR, UM, A DOLLAR AMOUNT WHEN WE ARE PUTTING CIP ITEMS ON AN AGENDA. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PUTTING A, A $4 MILLION PROJECT OR STREET OR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT IS THE PLANNED, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE ON THIS IN THE FUTURE AND HOW SOON DO WE NEED TO START SAVING FOR THAT ASSET? SO THEY'RE KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS IN THE FUTURE FOR ALL AGENDA ITEMS THAT HAVE CIP BLESSING ON IT, IS THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT OUT. 
          AND REALLY THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INPUT, HOW MUCH YOU, YOU ALL, UM, WILL PROVIDE ON ANY OF THIS STUFF. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE YOU GUYS IN THE DISCUSSION KNOWING THAT THAT'S WHAT FINANCE IS LOOKING AT. 
          UH, THE COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT AND THEY'RE VERY DEDICATED TO GET THIS ROLLING. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND I AM SO GLAD TO HEAR THIS . 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK IT IS TERRIFIC. 
          AND WHAT I WOULD JUST ASK IS THAT ALSO WHEN WE'RE GOING OUT FOR GRANTS AND WE'RE KIND OF HAVING AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PROJECT WOULD COST, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT PROJECT THAT WE'RE GONNA GO FOR A GRANT ON AND WHAT DEPARTMENT IT COMES FROM AND THAT'S, AND WHERE IT COMES FROM AND HOW OFTEN WE'RE GONNA BE REPLACING. 
          AND SO I, I AM ALL FOR THIS AND I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU ALL ARE, THAT YOU'RE TACKLING IT. 
          IT'S A BIG JOB. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. 
          UH, ARE YOU MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN MAINTENANCE AND SUSTAINMENT OR CONTINGENCY FUNDING? YOU MENTIONED LIKE A ROOF IS DAMAGED, YOU CAN'T FORECAST THAT. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT ALL THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, REPLACEMENT JUST TOTAL REPAIRS ON A BUILDING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE A ROOF, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, FIX THE SIDEWALKS AROUND IT, WHATEVER. 
          THEN YOU HAVE CATASTROPHES WHERE, UM, A TORNADO COMES THROUGH AND BLOWS DOWN HALF THE BUILDING. 
          SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT KINDS. 
          UM, TYPICALLY YOUR MAINTENANCE DOES NOT INCLUDE INSURANCE FUNDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A DISASTER, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA INCLUDE INSURANCE, WHICH THAT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS PLAN OF, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN WE NEED TO REPLACE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? DO WE JUST GO OUT AND GET A LOAN EVERY TIME WE NEED TO FIX SOMETHING? OR YOU KNOW, CAN WE PLAN FOR IT AND HAVE THAT MONEY SET ASIDE? 
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GOOD QUESTION. 
          WHAT THOUGHTS HAS THERE BEEN AROUND IF WE BRING IN MORE REVENUE THAN WE BUDGET FOR OF THAT AUTOMATICALLY BEING ALLOCATED TOWARD THE MAINTENANCE? LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE INSTEAD OF SPENDING IT ON SOME OTHER THINGS WE GET EXCITED ABOUT, HAVE OUR BUDGET. 
          IF WE BRING IN MORE, THEN THAT'S A PLACE THAT IT, THAT'S AN EASY PLACE TO TAKE IT FROM. 
          IT IS AND OR SEEMS LIKE IT. 
          I SHOULDN'T SAY IT'S EASY, RIGHT? BUT IT'S EASY FOR, PART OF GFO A IS THEY LOOK AT THAT STUFF, THEY LOOK AT OUR, DO YOU WANNA TAKE A 5%, YOU KNOW, OF YOUR EARNINGS FOR THE YEAR IF, IF YOU'RE ABOVE OR WHATEVER. 
          AND YOU CAN STILL SET ASIDE SOME OF THAT TO REUSE FOR OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT I THINK ONCE WE GET THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS, WE'LL KNOW WHETHER THAT'S GONNA BE 2% OR 15% OR MM-HMM . 
          OH BOY, WE'RE IN TROUBLE. 
          YOU KNOW, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU WANNA LOOK AT. 
          AND THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AMONGST THE FINANCE. 
          AND WE'LL LOOK AT OTHER CITIES. 
          I HAVE PULLED A LOT OF CITIES AND NOT VERY MANY OF 'EM HAVE THIS. 
          SURE. 
          THEY'RE IN THE SAME BOAT THAT WE ARE. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY JUST WAIT UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEN THEY FIGURE IT OUT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, NOT DO, TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME ON THIS ONE. 
          WE'RE GETTING IT TO BE A BIG CITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU, AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CONTACT ME THROUGH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND I CAN TAKE IT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS, DO YOU NEED TO SPEAK? THANKS, SHEILA. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT CITYWIDE. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME, SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE REALLY GOOD AT LOOKING AT, UH, ASSET MANAGEMENT, LONG-TERM COST. 
          EVERYTHING THAT WATER, UH, HAS DONE IS A 30 YEAR WINDOW TO SEE WHAT THE OVERALL COST WILL BE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF UTILITIES, ALMOST ALL OF THEM THAT SPEND THE LOWEST COST UP FRONT, BUT ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THE 30 YEAR RATE PAYER. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOT CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE REALLY GOOD AT. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA CARRY THAT OVER TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND I, AND I THINK ONE WAY THAT IT'LL AFFECT YOU ALL IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BRAD RAINEY WAS REALLY GOOD AT, UH, MANAGING ASSETS AND WAS ABLE TO DIG IN AND SEE WHICH ONES WERE NOT OPERATING. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WE, WHEN I ORIGINALLY WAS THE PROJECT MANAGER ON PELICAN BAY, I THOUGHT, YEAH, 20 YEARS, THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE'RE GONNA GET OUTTA THIS POOL. 
          BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, WE COME TO YOU ALL AND SAY, WE NEED MONEY. 
          LET'S, LET'S GET THIS FIXED. 
          I THINK IT IS REALLY JUST ABOUT GETTING THAT IN A MORE PROGRAMMED WAY TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO SET ASIDE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR REPLACEMENT COSTS OR REHABILITATION COSTS AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AHEAD OF THAT FROM, YOU KNOW, CITYWIDE EVERY DEPARTMENT DOING IT THE SAME. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET TO, THANKS SHEILA. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WORK AND I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT COMES OF IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, ITEM FOUR 
          [D. Update on CIP Funded Capital Projects: 	Street Rehab, Resurfacing, & Reconstruction -  Air Depot and Covell Intersection 	ITS 	2nd Street ADA Sidewalk project 	Pelican Bay 	Library/YMCA 	AC Caplinger 	Creek Bend Trail 	Police Lake Patrol Facility]
D IS AN UPDATE ON CIP FUNDED PROJECTS. 
          LET'S, UH, BRAD, YOU WANNA WALK US THROUGH WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON? YEAH, LET'S DO IT. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE ON THE LIST THERE, STREET REHAB, RESURFACING RECONSTRUCTION, AS WELL AS THE AIR DEPOT AND COVELL INTERSECTION. 
          UM, SO AS FAR AS THE ONGOING OVERLAY PROJECT, ALL THE SECTIONS OF THE OVERLAY HAVE BEEN COMPLETED EXCEPT FOR THOSE COUPLE THAT ARE IN THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO DANFORTH AND KELLY. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TRYING TO TIME THAT RIGHT WITH, UH, DANFORTH AND KELLY WRAPPING UP. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO FUNDED FROM THIS, UH, REHAB AND RESURFACING FUND. 
          THIS FISCAL YEAR WAS THE AIR DEPOT AND COVELL INTERSECTION, UH, WHICH WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS OUT THERE. 
          STILL ON TRACK TO BE FINISHED PRIOR TO DAN'S NEW SCHOOL OPENING IN AUGUST. 
          SO, UH, THEY'VE, WE, WE IMPLEMENTED AN EARLY COMPLETION INCENTIVE WITH THAT PROJECT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP GIVE A CARROT TO THE CONTRACTOR IF THEY DID GOOD AND FINISHED ON TIME. 
          AND IT'S, UH, BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL SO FAR. 
          SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE LOOK TO IMPLEMENT MORE IN THE FUTURE ON SOME TIME SENSITIVE PROJECTS. 
          UH, ITSI SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT CORS IN HERE FOR THIS ONE. 
          UH, SO COUPLE PHASES, RIGHT? UH, PHASE FOUR CONSTRUCTION'S ONGOING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING COMPLETED THIS FALL. 
          UH, PHASE FIVE. 
          THAT ONE IS IN THE FINAL STAGES OF DESIGN RIGHT NOW. 
          SO, UH, TRYING TO GET ALL OUR INTERSECTIONS UP WHERE WE'VE GOT CAMERAS AND CAN CONTROL 'EM FROM OUR TMC WILL BE REAL HELPFUL. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE ON THE LIST THERE, SECOND STREET, A DA SIDEWALK PROJECT. 
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SO WORK HAS BEGUN ON THIS ONE. 
          ON THE WEST EXTENTS OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, WE'RE, I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT A OCTOBER OF 27 COMPLETION TIMEFRAME FOR THIS ONE. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG, LONG WAYS OUT, BUT IT'S A LOT OF SIDEWALK, BOTH SIDES OF SECOND STREET FROM CITY LIMITS ALL THE WAY TO I 35 PRETTY MUCH. 
          SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT THERE. 
          UH, BUT WE HAVE STARTED WITH THAT. 
          IT IS THE SAME CONTRACTOR THAT IS DOING DANFORTH AND KELLY, SO THEY HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY WITH HOW WE DO THINGS AND UH, KIND OF OUR STANDARD. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          IT'S ANOTHER ODOT PROJECT. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF THE THIRD PARTY MANAGERS OF THE PROJECT THAT HAVE THE MOST, UH, FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NAVIGATING THAT THE BEST WE CAN. 
          AND UH, HOPEFULLY THAT ONE WILL GO SMOOTHLY. 
          PELICAN BAY, UH, STEVE WARMED US UP TO THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT, SO WE'RE IN THE PUNCH LIST STAGE OF THAT PROJECT. 
          SO, UH, SOME PRETTY COOL AERIAL SHOTS WHILE ALL THE POOLS ARE EMPTY RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PROGRESS THEY'VE MADE. 
          SO, UH, FINAL ELEMENTS ARE GETTING WRAPPED UP THERE, HOPEFULLY, UH, NEXT MONTH OR SO WILL IT OPEN THIS SUMMER. 
          I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT PARK'S TIMELINE IS FOR THAT, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH. 
          SO I THINK WE WILL BE DONE WITH IT IN ABOUT A MONTH. 
          WHAT PARKS DECIDES TO DO, UH, WE WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO THEM. 
          LIBRARY, YMCA, UH, SO WE'VE GOT SOME DRYWALL WORK THAT'S ONGOING AS WELL AS SOME MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING. 
          ROUGH ENDS. 
          DON'T HAVE A GOOD TIMELINE FOR THAT ONE. 
          IT'S SUCH A MOVING TARGET AS SOME OF YOU KNOW. 
          UH, SO, UH, THE INFORMATION CHANGES THERE PRETTY CONSTANTLY. 
          THERE'LL LIKELY BE AN AGENDA ITEM AT THE NEXT CIP MEETING, UH, TO DISCUSS IN MORE DEPTH SOME OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AND, UH, SOME FUNDING CONCERNS. 
          SO, UH, BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THAT AC CAPLINGER. 
          UM, SO WE'VE GOT SIDEWALKS AND SOME OTHER CONCRETE FLAT WORK THAT'S TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, PLANNING ON A SUMMER COMPLETION, UH, I BELIEVE THEY SAID LATE JULY, SO THAT'S EXCITING. 
          GET THAT ONE WRAPPED UP. 
          WE HAVE SOME AERIALS OF THAT SITE AND THAT'S JUST SPECTACULAR WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH HOW THE NEW FIELDS LOOK. 
          UH, ALL THE TURF THAT WENT IN THE SYNTHETIC, UH, THE TURF DIRT IF YOU WILL, IN THE INFIELD, SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO RAKE THAT BETWEEN GAMES OR AFTER INNINGS. 
          SO, UH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A, A GREAT, UH, END RESULT FOR ALL THE CITIZENS CREEK BEND TRAIL. 
          SO PHASE TWO DESIGN IS ONGOING. 
          WE HAD SOME GEOTECH CONSULTANTS ON SITE LAST WEEK. 
          THEY WERE GETTING SOME BORES, UH, AROUND THE CREEK WHERE THE BRIDGES ARE GONNA BE GOING. 
          SO THEY'LL BE ANALYZING THAT DATA TO HELP DESIGN THE BRIDGES, WHICH WILL THEN KIND OF UNLOCK THE REST OF THE DESIGN. 
          IT'S ROUGHLY LIKE 60% DESIGN, BUT IT COULDN'T PROGRESS FURTHER UNTIL, UH, WE GOT PAST THE LAND ACQUISITION AND NOW THESE GEOTECH BORES. 
          SO HOPEFULLY, UH, WE WILL GET THE FINAL DESIGN ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON AND WE CAN CONNECT THE GAP THERE. 
          I GOT, UH, HARASSED BY A FAMILY MEMBER OVER THE WEEKEND THAT WAS TRYING TO RUN THAT TRAIL. 
          WHY IS THIS A DEAD END? AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S A DEAD END ON THE OTHER SIDE TOO, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? SO THAT WAS FUN. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE ON THE LIST THERE, THE POLICE LAKE PATROL FACILITY. 
          SO THAT ONE'S STILL IN DESIGN AS WELL. 
          UH, WORKING THROUGH SOME UTILITY ISSUES. 
          UH, WE'RE ROUGHLY 60%, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN 60% DESIGN THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS TAKING IT BACK TO THE VERY FIRST ONE FOR A MINUTE. 
          SO STREET REHAB, RESURFACING RECONSTRUCTION. 
          JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR FY 27, WE'LL HAVE, UH, I THINK I KIND OF MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE GONNA GO CONCRETE THIS YEAR, SO, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THAT OUT TO BID IN LATE JULY. 
          UH, GOOD CONCRETE, WE'RE DOING CONCRETE WORK IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT SPOTS ACROSS THE CITY. 
          UH, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DOING, UH, PAVEMENT DATA COLLECTION AGAIN. 
          SO, UH, NOT THE WHOLE CITY LIKE WE DID A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT UH, WE'VE 
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GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE BREAKING THE CITY UP INTO FIVE GROUPS AND WE'RE GONNA START THE ANNUAL COLLECTIONS OF ONE FIFTH OF OUR STREETS. 
          AND ANYTHING THAT'S CHANGED OVER THE LAST YEAR, SO THAT WE'LL HAVE A MORE LIVE, UH, DATA SET TO PULL FROM WITH THOSE PCI SCORES AND MORE REAL TIME FEEDBACK ON HOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS AFFECTING THE PCI SCORE ACROSS THE CITY. 
          SO PARTNERING WITH IT ON THAT, THEY'RE, BECAUSE OF THE DATA COMPONENT OF IT, THEY'RE TIED INTO IT TOO. 
          SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE PUTTING, UH, RFP OUT FOR THAT SHORTLY AND START DOING SOME INTERVIEWS TO FIND SOMEBODY TO DO THAT WORK FOR US. 
          IS THERE A TIMING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIKE ASPHALT MILL AND OVERLAY AND GOING WITH CONCRETE? BECAUSE I KNOW THE ASPHALT SEEMS TO GO PRETTY QUICK. 
          THEY START AND THEY MOVE OVER AND THEY'RE DONE. 
          IS THAT LONGER FOR THE CONCRETE PROCESS AS FAR AS LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION, LIKE THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT? YEAH, MOST OF WHAT WE DO IS HIGH EARLY CONCRETE. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER IT'S POURED BEFORE YOU CAN DRIVE ON IT, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT MUCH OF A DELAY. 
          UM, DANFORTH AND KELLY, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE WERE POURING ACROSS PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS AND STUFF, THAT WAS KIND OF OUR RULE OF THUMBS ABOUT THREE DAYS. 
          IF WE'RE POURING IT, GIVE IT THREE DAYS AND THEN YOU SHOULD BE FINE DRIVING ON IT. 
          IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW THE BRAKES COME OUT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S HOW IT GOES. 
          HOPEFULLY WE DIDN'T BOG DOWN THE ADMIN BUILDING TOO MUCH OVER THERE. 
          HOW WE MANAGED , THEY MANAGED, I THINK PHIL'S ASKING HOW MUCH TIME DOES HE HAVE BEFORE HE CAN NO LONGER PUT HIS HAND PRINT ON ALL THE, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT. 
          I DON'T NEED PROOF. 
          YOU'RE GONNA PUT PHIL CIP CHAIR. 
          THERE YOU GO, . 
          THAT'S REALLY SMART. 
          THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. 
          I, I DID WANNA ASK BRAD ABOUT THE CONNECTOR TRAIL FOR INTEGRIS TO THE NORTH SIDE OF ARCADIA. 
          I'VE SEEN SWATHS OF TREES TAKEN DOWN. 
          HOW ARE WE DOING ON THAT ONE? IT'S PROGRESSING. 
          YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SOME COOL AERIALS OF THAT ONE TOO. 
          UM, YEAH, YOU SEE SWATHS, SWATHS OF TREES THAT GO DOWN, BUT WE DID CLEAR A LOT LESS ON THIS ONE, WHICH IS GOOD. 
          UH, ON THE FIRST PHASE OF CREEK BEND, THERE WAS KIND OF SOME WIDE CLEARING THAT WAS NEEDED AND WE GOT FEEDBACK THAT, HEY, LET'S TRY TO SAVE A FEW MORE TREES TO MAKE THIS TRAIL A LITTLE BIT MORE NATUREY, YOU KNOW. 
          SO THIS NORTHWEST CONNECTOR TRAIL, UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE, WE LEFT A LOT MORE TREES, UH, AS, AS WE COULD, BUT YEAH, IT'S CONSTRUCTION'S PROGRESSING ON THAT ONE AS WELL. 
          GOOD. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA, JIM, CAN I ASK FOR YOU, WHAT ABOUT THE PICKLEBALL?  COVERING NICE BIRD. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          YOU KNOW, JIM RAN OFF THE LAST PARKS DIRECTOR LAST TIME HE ASKED THIS, SO , WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL THERE. 
          NO, I, I'LL, I'LL ASK ON THAT AND I'LL, I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU GUYS. 
          UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING RECENTLY ON IT, BUT I'LL, I'LL CHECK IN ON IT. 
          NICE. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, OR PROJECT? I JUST, I LOVE HEARING ABOUT ALL THESE COOL AERIALS. 
          I WANT YOU TO BRING THEM NEXT TIME SO WE CAN SEE 'EM. 
          SURE. 
          WE'VE GOT, SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THE CIP PROJECTS, BUT THE SIDEWALK GOING IN ON 33RD EAST OF BRYANT LOOKS GREAT. 
          I KNOW A LOT OF KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO USING THAT. 
          UH, ESPECIALLY, WELL, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SCHOOL YEAR, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE HELPFUL. 
          WELL, THAT IS A CIP PROJECT. 
          WE DID FUND THAT. 
          IT'S, THAT IS TRUE. 
          IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARILY, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF FOUR D, BUT WE DID VOTE ON THAT AND IT WAS WELL TIMED AND, UH, IT'S BEEN A, A LONG TIME COMING FOR THAT SIDEWALK. 
          UH, BUT IT LOOKS GREAT. 
          AND, UH, SO JUST KUDOS TO THE CITY FOR, UH, ANOTHER GREAT PROJECT. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO FOUR TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CITIZENS COMMENTS AND SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON 
          [6. Comments from the Capital Improvement Projects Advisory Board Chair and Members.]
TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          UM, FOR COMMENTS FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT ADVISORY BOARD. 
          ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? IT IS PRIMARY ELECTION DAY IN OKLAHOMA, SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GET OUT AND VOTE. 
          THE POLLS CLOSE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND OF COURSE, THERE'S LOTS OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE ONLINE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR POLLING PLACE IS OR IF YOU NEED A SAMPLE BALLOT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, UM, OKLAHOMA ELECTION BOARD SITE HAS ALL OF THAT. 
          BUT PLEASE GET INFORMED AND THEN GET OUT AND VOTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL SHARE TWO REAL QUICK. 
          IT WON'T TAKE LONG, BUT ONE, I JUST APPRECIATE THE COVELL DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD TODAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S ONE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND, UM, SPENDING TIME ON THIS BOARD, TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE, AND NOT JUST WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT AND HOW DO WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE THOSE THINGS. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THE INPUT AND CONTINUE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND WE'LL DO MORE DISCUSSION LATER. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY, THERE WAS A WEBSITE SUBMISSION, UM, THAT I THINK MOST OF US GOT AN EMAIL ON. 
          UM, 
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AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, CASEY LEFT, BUT THE, THE TEAMS THAT MANAGE THAT WEBSITE AND LIKE THAT CITIZENS CAN DO THAT AND THAT FEEDBACK CAN COME TO BOARDS, UM, EASILY. 
          SO I APPRECIATE, UM, THAT WE HAVE THAT ABILITY, BUT ALSO FOR, FOR THOSE OF US THAT JUMPED IN AND, UH, COMMENT IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          DAN, THANKS FOR CHASING THAT ONE DOWN. 
          SO, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          I WILL TAKE A MOTION AND, UH, VOTE TO ADJOURN MOTION. 
          SECOND, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES AND THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          I HOPE WE CAN BE ADJOURNED IF THE SCREEN WILL UPDATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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