Jul 07, 2026 Planning Commission

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ALL RIGHT.

GOOD

[1. Call to Order of the Edmond Planning Commission.]

WE'RE GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF TUESDAY, JULY 2ND, 2026.

AND MOVING ON DOWN THE

[2. General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Planning Commission. Members of the Planning Commission may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.]

THE GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. ITEMS LISTED UNDER GENERAL CONSENT ARE USUALLY APPROVED AS A GROUP WITH A PROPER MOTION FROM A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY PULL ANY ITEM UNDER GENERAL CONSENT FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND OR ACTION.

DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WISH TO PULL A AGENDA ITEM ON THE CONSENT MEN OR CONSENT AGENDA? IF NOT LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION TO APPROVE? WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND.

AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY A PHOTO OF FIVE TO ZERO.

THE GENERAL CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.

MOVING ON TO NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSION AND ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION.

THIS IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

NUMBER FOUR IS OUR PUBLIC

[A. Case No. PR25-00011; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval for a Preliminary Plat for Sierra Brook, located on the west side of Midwest Boulevard, south of Coffee Creek Road. (Farzaneh Development, LLLP; Ward 2) Consideration of Variance to Title 21.02.170 of the Edmond Municipal Code regarding Tree Preservation. ]

SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER A.

SO WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THIS IS CASE NUMBER A HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO CONTINUE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON AUGUST 4TH.

AND IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE A, ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION A SECOND FOR TO APPROVE THE CONTINUATION OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND AND A SECOND WITH A VOTE.

FIVE TO ZERO.

UH, AGENDA ITEM FOUR A HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO THE AUGUST 4TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

MOVING ON TO FOUR

[B. Case No. PR26-00005; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval for a Preliminary Plat for Heritage Grove, located west of Bryant Avenue, south of East 33rd Street. (Turning Point Ministries, Inc.; Ward 3)]

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES SIR.

THANK YOU.

AND MR. BRYAN, WILL YOU PRESENT? YES.

THANK YOU SIR.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT IS APPROXIMATELY SEVEN ACRES.

THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION WEST OF BRYANT, SOUTH OF 33RD, JUST SOUTHWEST OF THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF EDMOND.

CASE DETAILS ARE AS FOLLOWS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL BE PLATTED INTO 19 LOTS ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED FROM SOUTHEAST 34TH STREET.

ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

MR. BRIAN, ARE THERE ANY, UH, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION OF CITY STAFF? THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

TODD MCINNIS FOR ATTORNEY PORT MINISTRIES.

A COUPLE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS ARE HERE TONIGHT AS WELL.

UH, I WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS PROPERTY, NOT WHEN FIRST BAPTIST CAME IN AND WAS ZONED, BUT ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO.

AND THERE WAS A PROCESS TO REMOVE THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY, INCLUDING FIRST BAPTIST, WAS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN FIRST BAPTIST CAME IN AND GOT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE CHURCH, UH, WHICH CAME OVER THE TOP OF THE RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, WE CAME IN AND THROUGH THE CITY'S PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, WE WERE REMOVED THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND RETURN IT BACK JUST TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH AS YOU KNOW, ALLOWS AROUND SIX TO SEVEN LOTS PER ACRE.

SO OUR COMPLIANCE HERE, AS MR. BRIAN SAID, IS COMPLETE.

UH, WE HAVE DETENTION THAT'S MET.

WE HAVE TREE PRESERVATION THAT'S MET.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THE STAFF INCLUDING EVER AND FORESTRY ABOUT OUR PLAT.

MOHAMMAD KHAN IS HERE.

HE'S OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT THERE'S A LITTLE HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT.

UH, THIS TURNING PORT MINISTRIES YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH HAS A HISTORY OF DOING PROJECTS IN EDMOND, A LEGACY STATION, UH, JUST NORTH OF DOWNTOWN.

AND THIS IS THEIR LATEST PROJECT IN COOPERATION IN SOME RESPECTS WITH FIRST BAPTIST RELATED TO SOME OF THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, A LITTLE HISTORY.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT OR THE PLAT OR ANY OF THE OTHER RELATED ISSUES.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF OR OF THE APPLICANT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, JUST A REAL QUICK ONE.

WOULD YOU SAY THIS MATCHES THE SURROUNDING AREA? WELL, IT MATCHES THE ZONING THAT'S ALLOWED THE SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, THE LOTS ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AS YOU CAN SEE ALONG PATTERSON.

UH, AND I WILL JUST BRING THIS UP NOW BECAUSE I THINK IT MAY BE RELEVANT.

UH, BACK WHEN THE ZONING WAS DONE FOR THE CHURCH, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS ON PATTERSON.

UH, AND SOME OF THAT CONTINUED WHEN WE CAME IN AND REMOVED THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THEN THE CHURCH SOLD THE LAND AND NOW IT'S WITH TURNING POINT AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE MINUTES OR ANY OTHER OF RECORD RELATED TO RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY, SETBACKS OR ANYTHING ELSE RELATED TO THAT.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE DENSITY IS NO GREATER, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MARGINALLY THAN WHAT'S OFF TO THE WEST.

UH, THE THING THAT'S MOST INTERESTING IS 34TH STREET.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PUBLIC STREET.

IT WAS STUBBED

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UH, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S LONGER IN TIME THAN MAYBE SOMEONE WOULD EXPECT.

THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CONTEMPLATION WITH THE PLATTING OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST.

AND JUST CONFIRMING WE'RE TALKING HOUSES.

YES.

SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.

SORRY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR CITY STAFF OF PLANNING COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.

MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THIS IS THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO, UH, ASK QUESTIONS.

AS A REMINDER, PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS TO ME AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE.

AND ONCE WE GET ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, WE WILL THEN AT THE, AFTER EVERYBODY'S CONCLUDED THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE'LL COME BACK AND ASK QUESTIONS AND TRY TO GET ANSWERS FOR YOU FROM THE APPLICANT.

UH, JUST FOR A, AS A REMINDER AS WELL, IF SOMEBODY'S ALREADY ASKED THE SAME QUESTION, PLEASE DO YOUR BEST NOT TO ASK IT AGAIN, UH, JUST FOR A TIME AND EFFICIENCY PURPOSES.

SO, UH, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO STEP UP AND ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US.

THANK YOU.

HELLO, I'M ELAINE POLLY AND I LIVE AT 34 0 4 PATTERSON DRIVE.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 39 YEARS.

SO THIS JULY, UH, HE WAS CORRECT IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S BEEN OWNED BY, WELL ORIGINALLY IT WAS A GREEN BELT, AS YOU KNOW, AND THEN BAPTIST CHURCH BOUGHT IT AND SOLD A PORTION OF IT TO JACK BLACK AND THEN WHO, UH, DID NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

AND VAN JONES GOT IT BY PAYING THE TAXES ON IT.

AND THEN AFTER HE REALIZED HE DIDN'T WANT TO DEVELOP IT, HE APPARENTLY GAVE IT AND DONATED IT TO TURNING POINT MINISTRIES.

AND UH, NOW TURNING POINT MINISTRIES OWNS IT.

THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE AS HOMEOWNERS THAT LIVE ON PATTERSON DRIVE IS, IS THIS LAND CAPABLE OF HOLDING 19 HOMES? FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT IT THROUGH MANY PROCESSES AND MANY SALES AND MANY DISCUSSIONS IS THAT IT'S A DRAINAGE AREA WITH A CREEK RUNNING THROUGH IT FOR THE ENTIRE SMILING HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ALL THE WAY TO GEORGETOWN AND SOUTH TO HERITAGE HEIGHTS, I BELIEVE IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.

ALL THE WATER FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS RUN DOWN TO THIS 34TH STREET DEAD END AND INTO A CREEK AND THEN ON TO ARCADIA I THINK.

UM, SO THAT PART IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT THE DRAINAGE MAINTAINS THE WAY IT IS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH HOMES BUILT THERE, ESPECIALLY 19 OF THEM.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS, IS THIS LAND ABLE TO HOLD THAT MANY HOUSES AND STILL HAVE PROPER DRAINAGE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, THE SECOND QUESTION IS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS TURNING POINT.

AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST TURNING POINT MATTER OF FACT, WHO DOESN'T WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE? AND MY HUSBAND HAS ACTUALLY BEEN A VOLUNTEER FOR TURNING POINT AND HAS WORKED WITH HIM.

BUT THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT, IN MY OPINION, AND I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT'S HAD A CHANCE TO WORK WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT, WHEN IT WAS DONATED TO THE TURNING POINT, I IMMEDIATELY GOT IN CONTACT WITH APRIL AND I DON'T REMEMBER HER LAST NAME 'CAUSE I'VE ALWAYS JUST CALLED HER APRIL AND I THINK SHE'S THE LEAD MANAGER OF THIS PROJECT.

AND SHE AND I STARTED A DISCUSSION THAT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR THIS ENTIRE TIME.

I'M THINKING IT'S A COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND SO MOST OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE ASKED HER TO DO BASICALLY INVOLVED MAINTAINING THE LAND SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A FIRE HAZARD OR DANGER TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THAT WAS KEEPING THE LAWN MOW.

UM, THE GRASS THAT GROWS BEHIND OUR FENCES GETS VERY TALL AND DIFFERENT OWNERS HAVE TOLD US AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH FOUR, THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK THERE TO CLEAN THAT AREA OR TO MOW IT OR TO CUT DOWN THE TALL GRASS.

SO WE WERE EXPECTING TURNING POINT TO DO THAT FOR US.

I HAD TO CALL SEVERAL TIMES AND ASK THEM TO DO THAT.

AND IN THE MANY, MANY TIMES IT'S BEEN THE I'VE CALLED, IT'S EITHER NOT BEEN DONE AT ALL, IT'S BEEN DONE HALFWAY AND THEY HAVE RARELY GOTTEN THE GRASS THAT'S ALONG OUR FENCE LINE.

SO WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK THERE OURSELVES AND CLEAN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT IS DEFINITELY A FIRE HAZARD.

TEENAGERS CAMP BACK THERE AND THEY'VE HAD FIRE BURNINGS AND , LOTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON LAST NIGHT OR THE OTHER NIGHT WAS FIREWORKS.

SO IT CONCERNS US THAT THAT AREA CAN BE DANGEROUS AND THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IT MOWED

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THE OTHER SITUATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN REGARDS TO THE MANAGEMENT OF TURNING POINT IS THAT A DUMP TRUCK WAS ORDERED TO DELIVER GRAVEL TO THE AREA IN PREPARATION FOR A TRAILER.

WHEN THE DUMP TRUCK ARRIVED, IT RAN OVER THE MANHOLE THAT IS AT THE END OF THE DEAD END INTO THE PROPERTY AND DIS AND UH, DAMAGED IT AS IT CAME INTO THE PROPERTY.

IT ALSO RAN OVER A WATER LINE AND SEWAGE LINE AND THEN WENT ON AND DUMPED THE GRAVEL IN THE AREA OF THE AREA BEHIND OUR HOUSES AND THEN LEFT.

AND THEN WE WERE LEFT WITH A SPEWING OF WATER AND SEWAGE FOR DAYS UNTIL THE EDMOND CITY OF EDMOND COULD COME OUT AND CLEAN UP THE MESS AND MAKE THE REPAIRS AND DAMAGES.

UM, APRIL WAS NOT OF MUCH HELP DURING THAT TIME 'CAUSE SHE WAS DEPENDENT ON THE CITY AND THEY HIRED THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT THE GRAVEL.

SO WE REALLY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

THE GRAVEL STAYED AND WASHED AWAY.

A TRAILER WAS NEVER DELIVERED.

THERE IS NOW TWO MORE PILES OF GRAVEL BACK THERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED IN ANY WAY.

SO WE'RE SEEING WORK THAT GETS NOT COMPLETED AND FOLLOWED THROUGH ON AND THAT CONCERNS US AND IRRESPONSIBLE WORK.

THAT'S A CONCERN.

AND THEY HAD A BACKHOE TO COME IN.

THEY HIRED A BACKHOE TO COME IN AND CLEAN OUT THE CREEK THAT THAT FLOWS TO THEIR BRINGS THAT RECEIVES ALL THE BACKWASH AND THE DRAINAGE FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE BACKHOE CRUNCHED UP A LOT OF THE UNDERBRUSH AND CUT DOWN SEVERAL SMALL TREES ALONG THE EDGES AND LEFT IT EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

AND IT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT SINCE THEN.

SO THAT WAS NOT CLEANING OUT THE CREEK AT ALL.

IT JUST MADE A BIGGER MESS IN WHAT THEY CAME TO.

SO THAT ALSO CONCERNED US WHEN I WAS DEALING WITH APRIL.

AND I'VE TALKED TO HER SEVERAL, SEVERAL TIMES AND IT WAS ALWAYS CORDIAL AND WE WERE ALWAYS KIND TO EACH OTHER 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

AND I HAD DEALT WITH TURNING POINT THROUGH FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, SO I KNEW WHAT TURNING POINT DOES AND I KNEW THEIR GOALS AND I KNEW THEIR, THEIR, THE GOODNESS THEY WERE TRYING TO DO.

SO I WORKED WITH HER AND I SAID, CAN YOU MEET WITH US AS NEIGHBORS AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS PROJECT? AND SHE SAID, SURE.

SO WE PLANNED A DATE, WE HAD IT SCHEDULED AND AT THE LAST MINUTE SHE HAD A PERSONAL ISSUE THAT CAME UP AND SHE HAD TO, UH, TO UH, CANCEL THAT MEETING.

AND THEN WE WAITED FOR HER TO RESCHEDULE IT AND WE GOT, UH, WHAT I CALL GHOSTED.

NOTHING EVER CAME ABOUT IT.

WE COULD NOT GET ANY INFORMATION BACK TO HER AND WHEN I WOULD TEXT HER, I WOULD NOT HEAR FROM HER.

SO THAT WAS THE LAST THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT WAS ONE OF OUR MAIN CONCERNS IS, IS I THINK MOST OF THE MANAGEMENT AND I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

SO I'M SPEAKING JUST FROM WHAT I, MY PERSPECTIVE HAS CHANGED WITH TURNING POINT AND I'M NOT SURE THE MANAGEMENT THAT'S IN CHARGE NOW CAN DO THE SAME WORK, THE SAME JOB IN THE SAME MANNER OF WHICH WE'VE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO TURNING POINT IN THE PAST.

AND IT SCARES OUR NEIGHBORS THAT WHERE WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT HOUSES, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 19 RIGHT BEHIND US.

AND THAT'S GONNA BE PACKED IN ALL THE, THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF HOUSES, A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF, A LOT MORE PROBLEMS. AND I THINK THE OTHER LADIES THAT ARE BEHIND ME OR GENTLEMEN ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT MORE ABOUT THE LAND.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

HI, MY NAME IS LIZ LANE HARVARD AND I'M AT 3,500 PATTERSON DRIVE.

UM, AND I WILL MAKE SURE I DON'T TOTALLY OVERLAP.

THERE WILL BE SOME OVERLAP BECAUSE I DO HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

UM, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, MR. UH, LAMB WAS CORRECT IN STATING THAT WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING FOR QUITE A WHILE ABOUT THIS SORT OF STUFF.

AND SO WHEN IT, THIS PROPERTY FIRST CAME AVAILABLE, WE DISCUSSED WITH THE PLANNING DIRECTOR THAT THERE WERE GONNA BE A LOT OF VARIANCES THAT HAD TO BE OVERCOME.

UM, SO IN PARTICULAR, RIGHT, FIRE DEPARTMENT LIKES TWO, UM, LOCATIONS FOR THEM TO ENTER OR EXIT FROM.

THAT'S NOT ON HERE, BUT REGARDLESS, SO I, MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT VARIANCES ARE BEING ACCOMMODATED OR OVERLOOKED OR ARE BEING ALLOWED FOR? UM, MY NEXT QUESTION DOES PERTAIN TO DRAINAGE AND

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UM, AND SO IT IS A CONCERN.

UM, THE FIRST THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THOUGH IS THAT THE RETENTION POND, UM, IT IS EXTREMELY CLOSE TO A MIDDLE SCHOOL.

UM, AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE ARE ORDINANCES IN PLACE WITH REGARD TO HOW CLOSE A RETAINING POND CAN BE TO A SCHOOL AS A PARENT OF A MIDDLE SCHOOLER.

IT DOES CONCERN ME.

UM, YEAH, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I'M CURIOUS WHAT FACTORS WENT INTO CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF THE RETENTION POND? 30 BECAUSE 34TH STREET BEARS THE BRUNT OF RUNOFF FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND IN PARTICULAR, MY QUESTION IS, UM, WHAT MODEL IS USED TO PREDICT WATER VOLUME UP TO? IS IT UP TO DATE GIVEN, UH, RECENT DATA AND TRENDS? UM, OR RATHER WHAT VARIABLES ARE BEING CONSIDERED AND HAVE COEFFICIENTS BEEN MOD MODIFIED WITH UPDATED DATA? UM, IN DRAINAGE, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DEALT WITH ISSUES DUE TO A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN PARTICULAR, GEORGETOWN IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF UM, US, BUT WE'VE COMMUNICATED A LOT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND THEY HAVE STATED THAT THEY'VE ALSO HAD ISSUES OR THEY'VE BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT OF GEORGETOWN AND NOT HAVING THE APPROPRIATE DRAINAGE IN PLACE.

UM, AND I THINK IT ALSO GOES BACK TO WHAT ELAINE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THEY PUT THAT GRAVEL DOWN, IT QUICKLY WASHED AWAY LIKE OUR WATER FLOWS THROUGH THERE AND YOU COULD STEP WHERE THEY PUT THE GRAVEL AND YOU COULD BREAK YOUR ANKLE IF YOU WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE 12 INCHES DEEP WHERE THE GRAVEL RAN THROUGH.

UM, SO THAT, THAT SORT OF THING I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER.

AND SO LOTS OF QUESTIONS AROUND DRAINAGE.

UM, THERE ARE ALSO TRAFFIC CONCERNS WITH 19 HOMES, YOU'RE GONNA DRASTICALLY INCREASE TRAFFIC ON PATTERSON DRIVE.

AND I KNOW I'M MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT EACH HOME HAS A CAR, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION EVEN CLOSE TO US.

I THINK IT'S OVER A MILE WALK TO GET TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR ME, TO ME TO MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION.

SO THERE'S AT LEAST 19 MORE CARS.

WE ALSO HAD RECENTLY A GROUP HOME GO IN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING AND THAT HAS ALSO INCREASED OUR TRAFFIC FLOW, UM, THAT THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

PLUS MIDDLE SCHOOL PARENTS DROP THEIR KIDS OFF, THEY COME DOWN PATTERSON AND BANNER AND DROP THEIR KIDS OFF.

THAT INCLUDES FOR SPORTS.

UM, THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO BE FLOWING THROUGH IT ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT.

PATTERSON THEN DEAD ENDS INTO BANNER.

UM, SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, ARE YOU CONSIDERING ADDING A ROAD TO EXIT ON BRYANT? OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN THE PLAN.

UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALSO NOT CONSISTENT WITH A CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

DESPITE WHAT WAS STATED EARLIER, UM, AT LEAST ONE NEIGHBOR WILL HAVE THREE DIFFERENT BACKYARD NEIGHBORS WITH THE CURRENT PLAN.

NOW THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE OF UTILITIES, HALF OF OUR UTILITIES SO ARE BEHIND OUR FENCE LINE.

UM, WILL THE EASEMENT WORK IF THERE'S A GAS LEAK FOR EXAMPLE? HOW WILL REPAIRING THAT BE IMPACTED? I WANT TO ENSURE QUICK AND EASY ACCESS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY MENTIONED THAT THERE WOULD BE A BUFFER BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

KIND OF LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT ST.

JOHN THE BAPTIST, IF YOU LOOK AT JUST SOUTH OF THERE, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALLEYWAYS FOR THE EASEMENT PURPOSES.

UM, AND SO ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS TO UTILITY CONCERN.

AND SO ONCE AGAIN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS OF CONSIDERATION? I THINK THE LAST THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT OR UM, INQUIRE ABOUT IS THAT I KNOW HISTORICALLY EDMOND HASN'T ENTIRELY CARED ABOUT NATURE AND HABITATS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I BROUGHT THIS UP EIGHT OR PLUS YEARS AGO.

BUT WE DO HAVE FEDERALLY PROTECTED KITES IN THAT AREA.

UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROTECTED BY THE MIGRATORY BIRD TREATY ACT.

UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR FOREFRONT.

I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS RELATED TO IT.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK I, WHILE I ADDRESS MULTIPLE CONCERNS, MY TOP THREE CONCERNS ARE DRAINAGE TRAFFIC AND UTILITY ACCESS.

AND I THINK THOSE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, BEFORE CONTINUING ON.

UM, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? OKAY, RITA MILLER.

I LIVE OUT, UM, BI COUNTY LAKE.

I USE 33RD A

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UM, MY QUESTIONS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND MY CONCERN IS, UM, I'D LIKE TO PUT SOME NUMBERS TO THIS.

THESE LOTS, ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE ABOUT SEVEN FEET ELEVATION FROM FRONT TO BACK.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A FAIRLY, THAT'S FAIRLY STEEP.

IT'S NOT UNDOABLE, BUT UM, THEY'RE ALSO FAIRLY NARROW.

AND WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE CONTOUR LINES, ALL OF THE LOTS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS FENCE TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTH DRAIN INTO THAT SPACE.

AND UNLESS THOSE HOUSES IN THIS NEW PROPOSAL, UM, ARE BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE DRAINAGE FROM THE BACK, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. MY, UM, UH, MY ADDITIONAL CONCERN WITH DRAINAGE IS THE LOTS ONE THROUGH FIVE THERE.

THEY'RE ALSO ABOUT SEVEN FEET ELEVATION FRONT TO BACK AND THEY'RE EITHER GONNA BE, HAVE TO BE DOWN IN A HOLE, WHICH MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE AT ALL.

OR THEY'RE GONNA BE ON SEVEN FEET OF FILL, WHICH I DON'T THINK CURRENTLY THE CODE DISALLOWS, BUT I WOULD NEVER BUILD ON SEVEN FEET OF FILL.

THANK YOU.

HELLO.

HELLO.

MY NAME'S UH, GARY HACKETT.

UH, MY FAMILY IS AT 1305 BANNER DRIVE AVENUE.

UM, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE.

SHE SOLD IT TO MY DAUGHTER.

AND UH, I HAVE ABOUT FOUR QUESTIONS.

I THINK SOMEONE'S KIND OF ADDRESSED ONE OF 'EM, BUT I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF GO BACK AND JUST KIND OF REMEMBERING A HISTORY OF WHAT MY GRANDMOTHER SAID IS THAT SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD HERE BEFORE AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES.

AND SO I HEARD SOMEONE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAY THAT, THAT IT MET ALL THE SPECS.

SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT'S CHANGED IN THAT FOR IT TO MEET THE SPEC VERSUS BEFORE WE WERE TOLD IT HAD TO DO TWO.

SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU.

THE SECOND ONE IS, UM, THE VALUE, SINCE THESE ARE SMALLER HOMES, SMALLER LOTS, HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT THE VALUE OF EACH OF THE HOMES THAT ARE HERE? AND HAS ANYONE DONE A STUDY ON THAT TO, TO DETERMINE HOW THAT'S GOING TO DECREASE THE VALUE? TO ME BRINGING IN A SMALLER HOME, BRINGING IN SMALLER THINGS IS GOING TO DECREASE THE VALUE OF THESE HOMES.

SO HOW DOES THAT IMPACT US? AND SO I CAN WE GET SOME INFORMATION ON THAT PLEASE? UM, THE THIRD THING IS SINCE THEY'RE ON BANNER, WE'RE THE THIRD LOT OVER.

SO YOU GOT THE CORNER LOT ON BANNER, THE SECOND, THIRD ONE.

THE WAY THAT THAT BACKYARD IS, AND MY, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW DID THIS BEFORE SHE, UM, SHE PUT A FENCE STRAIGHT ACROSS AND THE REASON SHE PUT IT STRAIGHT ACROSS IS BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT A, AND IT'S TO THE LADY THAT JUST TALKED BEFORE ME, THERE'S A BIG DIP THAT GOES DOWN AND IT'S ABOUT SIX, SEVEN FEET.

SO ARE THEY GOING TO LEVEL EVERYTHING UP AND ARE THEY GONNA TAP INTO, 'CAUSE THEY'RE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MANHOLE IN OUR BACKYARD AND I'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO OPEN IT UP BEFORE TO, TO SEE IF PLUMBING WAS, AND IT WAS KIND OF CRAZY WITH A PLUMBER AND IT'S 25 FEET DOWN.

AND SO I'M CURIOUS, ARE THEY GONNA TRY TO TAP INTO THAT SEWER SYSTEM BY TRYING TO, AND IT, AND IT, BECAUSE THAT MANHOLE HAPPENS TO BE IN OUR BACKYARD, I HAVE CONCERNS FOR THAT OBVIOUSLY.

SO I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA TAP INTO THEIR SEWER? IS IT GONNA COME INTO THAT MOVING BACK TOWARDS US, UM, INTO THAT, THAT HOLE, THAT MANHOLE THERE.

UM, SO I HAD FOUR THINGS.

I THINK I'VE GIVEN YOU THREE, RIGHT? SO I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN.

SO, UH, SO ONE WAS THE, UH, SORRY.

UM, ALRIGHT, SO TWO ENTRANCES.

YOUR DISCUSSION, YOUR VALUE ANALYSIS, DISCUSSION ABOUT SLOPE OF LOTS AND DRAINAGE AND TAP INTO THE SEWERS.

SO TAP THE, OKAY, SAY THAT ONE TIME.

I'M SORRY.

YEAH, THE, THE FOUR THAT I'M SHOWING YOU TALKED ABOUT IS LACK OF TWO ENTRANCES, VALUE ANALYSIS, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SLOPE OF THE LOTS DRAINAGE, RIGHT? AND THEN THE UH, TAPPING INTO THE, YOU GAVE, THAT WAS THE FOREHEAD.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU SIR.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? THIS IS THE ONLY CHANCE THERE'S NO BACK AND FORTH AFTER THEY REPLY.

I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S HAD THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF THEY WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY.

HELLO RON POLLEY 34 0 4 PATTERSON DRIVE.

UM, I

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'CAUSE IT CATCHES ALL THE WATER IN SMILING HILL NEIGHBORHOOD AND FUNNELS IT TO FORT 34TH STREET.

AND IF YOU COULD SEE HOW DEEP THAT WATER IS AND HOW VIOLENT IT'S GOING DOWN THAT DRAIN, YOU WOULD REALIZE THERE'S NO WAY ANYONE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOLDING POND OR DIVERT THAT WATER IN A WAY THAT IT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE FLOOD ISSUES.

THERE'S NOT A BIG ENOUGH HOLDING POND TO HOLD THAT AMOUNT OF WATER FLOODING DOWN THAT STREET ON A BIG RAINSTORM.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE? OH, THERE WE GO.

HI, MY NAME IS HEATHER RYAN.

I'M AT 3,400 PATTERSON DRIVE.

I AM THE HOUSE THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE AT MY CONCERNS AND I CAN GO BACK TO WHAT RON JUST SAID.

I'VE GOT A VIDEO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE OF HOW THE RAIN ACTUALLY LOOKS WHEN IT GOES DOWN THAT ROAD.

MY HUSBAND AND MY SON PARK THEIR CARS DOWN THERE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DRIVEWAY WHEN RAIN HITS THOSE CARS, WE'LL JUST SAY MY SON'S IS A TWO DOOR COBALT, RIGHT? THE RAIN GETS UP TO ABOUT HIS, THE BOTTOM OF HIS DOOR AND WHEN IT FLOWS, IT IS LITERALLY LIKE A RIVER GOING DOWN THE ROAD.

THERE'S NOTHING GENTLE ABOUT THIS.

WHEN ALL OF THIS STARTED AND THE GRAVEL GOT PUT IN THE CREEK AREA, LIKE THE WHERE THE MANHOLE IS AND EVERYTHING, IT WASN'T DAYS TO A WEEK LATER THAT A RAINSTORM HIT AND WE WENT DOWN THERE AND WE MEASURED EXACTLY HOW FAR THAT WENT.

I'M THINKING, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT I THINK THE, THE BIGGEST ONE, WHICH I THINK IS ACTUALLY STILL THERE, IS IN BETWEEN 16 TO 18 INCHES DEEP.

THIS IS NOT A SMALL PROBLEM.

DRAINAGE IS A BIG ISSUE.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT BEING IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY, BUILDING 19 HOUSES ON SOIL THAT WILL NOT HOLD THEM WILL CAUSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM TO HAVE TO HAVE FOUNDATION WORK DONE AT SOME POINT.

AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S PROBABLY FAIR WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT QUOTE UNQUOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROJECT? LAST CHANCE MAKING? SURE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE CLOSED.

MR. MCKINNIS, WILL YOU PLEASE COME BACK UP? I KNOW YOU'VE, YOU USUALLY GOOD HAVING A LIST.

I DO.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

AND WE'LL MAKE SURE, YEP.

YEAH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH MY LIST AND IF I MISS ANYTHING.

UH, HEY MR. MCKINNIS ONE, ONE SECOND.

WILL YOU TALK ABOUT DRAIN? I MEAN WE CAN TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.

I KNOW IT'S A BIG TOPIC THAT'S COME UP HERE.

YEAH, AND SO THE PROCESS AND FOR US, WE DON'T REALLY DISCUSS DRAINAGE IN OUR APPROVAL PROCESS THAT'S APPROVED BY SWAB, UM, WHICH IS A STORM WATER GROUP THAT THE CITIES, IT'S ANOTHER BOARD.

SO THEY HANDLE ALL OF THOSE ISSUES.

AND I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK ABOUT IT REAL QUICK BEFORE I WANNA GET INTO, 'CAUSE THAT'S A BIG TOPIC SO FAR.

SURE.

I JUST WANNA JUST ADDRESS IT.

I KNOW SOMETIMES WE DISCUSS AS, AS WE DON'T IN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS IT JUST REAL FAST.

SURE.

YEAH.

THIS IS JUST THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PHASE SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TOO DETAILED OF ENGINEERING PLANS CURRENTLY, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE IT, UM, AWARE TO CITY STAFF THAT THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES.

SO THE CITY WILL ENSURE THAT THEY MEET ALL OF THE STORM WATER ORDINANCES AND NOT MAKE THE, UH, DRAINAGE PATTERNS IN THIS AREA WORSE THAN IT CURRENTLY IS.

SO THAT'LL BE ACCOUNTED FOR WITH THE FINAL PLAT AND YEAH, NO VARIANCES OF BEING REQUESTED.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS BEEN A, A TOPIC.

JUST MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN HERE.

SO NO THANK YOU.

IT DOES COME UP A LOT AND IT'S KIND OF IRONIC BECAUSE WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST WAS DONE WHEN PATTERSON AND BANNER WERE PUT IN, THE CITY OF EDMOND DIDN'T HAVE ANY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS. I MEAN PICTURE, UH, BRYANT SQUARE, NOT A SINGLE DETENTION POND ON BRYANT SQUARE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WHEN PATTERSON

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SO WHAT HAPPENS NOW? SHE'S RIGHT, IT GOES DOWN 34TH STREET AND IT JUST PILES.

SO HERE'S THE THING NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR, BUT IT'S THE TRUTH.

THIS PROJECT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT EXISTS TODAY.

IT WILL NOT EXASPERATE IT BECAUSE WE'RE LOWER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE IS.

SO THE WATER THAT STOPS AT THE DEAD END ON 34TH STREET, THAT'S A PUBLIC STREET WHERE THERE ARE PARKING CARS WILL BE OPEN AND OUR ENGINEERING PLANS SHOW IT GOING DOWN THIS STREET AND HITTING A DRAINAGE INLET THAT WILL GO INTO THE CREEK.

THE REST OF THE WATER WILL CONTINUE TO STREET SHEET DRAIN DOWN THE STREET AND HIT THE DETENTION POND, NOT RETENTION POND, A DETENTION POND THAT'S DRY AT THE BACK OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE CREEK AT THAT SPOT.

WELL WHY DO WE DO IT? WELL, BECAUSE OUR RULES ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEIR RULES.

WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION THAT WE CANNOT INCREASE THE VOLUME OF WATER OR THE SPEED OF WATER LEAVING OUR SITE AFTER IT'S DEVELOPED THAN WHAT EXISTS TODAY.

THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT AUSTIN TALKED ABOUT.

WE DO NOT HAVE A SINGLE VARIANCE IN OUR PLAT.

NOT FOR SIZE, NOT FOR SETBACK, NOT FOR DRAINAGE, NOT FOR ANYTHING.

AND SO OUR DEVELOPMENT, THE 19 HOMES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IRONICALLY THERE'S EIGHT HOMES ON PATTERSON THAT BACK UP TO EIGHT OF OUR LOTS BANNER'S, GOT A COUPLE THAT ARE IN THERE.

OUR LOTS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE WE DON'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL LOT AT THE NORTH END.

SO THE OVERALL DENSITY IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT EXISTS ON PATTERSON.

THEY HAVE EIGHT HOUSES THAT BACK UP TO EIGHT OF OUR LOTS.

SO THE IDEA OF THAT BEING SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT BUT THE DRAINAGE IS AN ISSUE.

IT COMES UP ALL THE TIME.

AND NOW THAT WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS AND THE MODELING DOES NOT DEVELOP BY US, IT'S DEVELOPED BY THE CITY OF EDMOND, IT'S PASSED INTO ORDINANCES, IT BECOMES WHAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.

AND SO WE DON'T HAVE SEVEN FOOT A FALL ON OUR LOTS.

WE WILL BALANCE OUR DEVELOPMENT AND OUR LOTS WILL DRAIN FROM BACK TO FRONT ON THE WEST SIDE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

SO NO WATER IS MOVING OUR SITE WHATSOEVER.

AND GOING BACK TO THE WEST, I'VE HEARD ABOUT GEORGETOWN IN THE PAST.

I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

WE KNOW IN CON CONCERT WITH THE CITY OF EDMOND AND OUR ENGINEERS WHAT DRAINAGE BASIN GOES HERE AND WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR AND WE KNOW WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYBODY TO SAY WE HAVE TO DO LESS.

AND SO OUR DRAINAGE WILL BE FULLY COMPLIANT AND WE'LL PROVIDE AN OUTLET FOR THE WATER THAT'S BOGGED UP ON 34TH STREET TODAY.

THAT'S JUST THE RULE.

THAT'S JUST THE FACTS AS TO HOW THAT WORKS RELATED TO TRAFFIC.

I BELIEVE THE NUMBER AND AUSTIN COULD CORRECT ME, IT'S NORTH OF 30 LOTS BEFORE YOU'RE REQUIRED BY CODE TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES.

WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S NEVER BEEN A REQUIREMENT.

IT'S NOT A VARIANCE TO ONLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE.

IT'S FULLY COMPLIANT.

SO WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH RESPECT TO THE TRAFFIC AND THE ACCESS THAT'S THERE.

THE IDEA ABOUT CAN THE LAND HANDLE IT 19 LOTS ON SEVEN ACRES.

YES, SIMPLE ANSWER.

SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT CAN DO 6,000 FOOT LOTS.

THAT'S MORE LIKE 60 LOTS YOU COULD DO LEGALLY IN THE CITY OF EDMOND WE'RE DOING 19.

THAT'S WITHIN OUR SEVEN ACRES OF LAND THAT WE HAVE.

ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP WAS HABITAT MANAGEMENT.

WHEN PATTERSON AND BANNER WERE DEVELOPED, THE CITY OF EDMOND DID NOT HAVE A TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO TREE PRESERVATION ON PATTERSON ROAD AND THERE'S NO TREE PRESERVATION ON BANNER OR ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT BACK TO THE WEST.

THIS DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES 20% OF THE LAND HAS TO BE SET ASIDE FOR TREE PRESERVATION.

SO 1.4 OF OUR ACRES WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED.

THEY'RE SET ASIDE FOR TREE PRESERVATION HABITAT, WHATEVER THE NATURAL ACTIVITY HAPPENS ON THAT LAND, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT EXISTS ON THE LAND TO OUR WEST.

AND THE LAND TO OUR SOUTH ALSO IMPACTS THE QUALITY OF OUR DEVELOPMENT IN EDMOND ALSO MAKES IT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE QUITE IRONICALLY, TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO IN EDMOND FOR PRES FOR PRESERVATION.

SO THAT ISSUE IS DEVELOPED AND AND WE COMPLY WITH THAT.

WE LOOKED AT ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO SAY, WELL IF YOU GET LESS THAN FIVE ACRES YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THREE PRESERVATION.

BUT WE SAID NO, WE WANNA BE FULLY COMPLIANT.

WE HAVE SEVEN ACRES.

WE COULD HAVE GIVEN SOME LAND TO THE CHURCH AND BEEN UNDER FIVE AND STILL DONE EVERYTHING.

BUT THAT'S NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT OUR ORDINANCES ARE.

SO WE WANTED TO DO IT TO HAVE THE TREE PRESERVATION.

SO WE COULD STAND HERE TONIGHT AND SAY WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED OF THE CITY WITHOUT EXCEPTION, WITHOUT VARIANCE.

SO I THINK THAT'S RELEVANT TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

THE ISSUE WITH THE GRAVEL, YEAH, WE HAD A HUGE MISTAKE.

WE HAD A CONTRACTOR THAT JUMPED THE GUN AND DIDN'T REALIZE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT OR ANYTHING ELSE AND CAME IN THERE DUMP, BUMPED IT, DUMPED A BUNCH OF GRAVEL AND WE HAD TO GO CLEAN IT UP.

IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT SOMEONE CAN COME ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND MEASURE THE DEPTH OF OUR GRAVEL WHEN IT'S OUR LAND AND THAT'S TECHNICALLY TRESPASSING.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION IS, WELL WE WANNA SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON YOUR LAND.

SAME THING WITH THE MOWING ISSUE.

THE CITY OF EDMOND HAS VERY STRICT ORDINANCES ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH MOWING.

IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH OUR LAND AND WE'RE

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THEY DO THAT FOR FIRE MANAGEMENT AND SAFETY MANAGEMENT AND HEALTH AND WELFARE AND THAT'S NOT BEEN AN ISSUE WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH WHATSOEVER.

IRONICALLY, OUR POST-DEVELOPMENT WOULD PROVIDE ALL THE PROTECTION FOR THAT.

IT WON'T BE RAW LAND, IT WON'T BE SUBJECT TO NOT BE IN MOW RELATED TO SOME 18 INCHES OR UP AGAINST THE FENCE RELATED TO THE UTILITY ACCESS.

ANY UTILITY THAT'S IN ANYBODY'S PROPERTY IS COVERED BY A PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENT.

SO IF WE HAVE TO TAP IT, IT'S NOT US GOING ON PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO DO SO.

THE CITY OF EDMOND GETS THOSE IN PLACE WHEN THE PLA GOES IN PLACE FOR PATTERSON AND BANNER.

SO IF WE HAVE TO GET ACCESS TO IT, IT WILL ONLY BE THROUGH AN ALREADY LEGALLY EXISTING ACCESS POINT FOR UTILITY EASEMENT THAT EXISTS ON THE BEHALF OF THE CITY OF EDMOND.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

IF IT DOES, I DO BELIEVE OUR SEWER RUNS ACROSS THE BACK OF OUR LOT AND THEN MOVES ACROSS THE BACK OF OUR LOTS THAT ARE ON THE SOUTH END AS WELL.

LET ME LOOK AT MY NOTES IF I COULD.

MR. BLUNDELL DRAINAGE WATER MAINTAIN THE LAND GRAVEL VARIANCES THERE ARE NO VARIANCES.

DETENTION POND I MENTIONED IT'S A DRY POND, IT'S A DETENTION POND.

UH, THE MODELING COMES FROM THE CITY OF EDMOND.

IT'S A CONCRETE BOTTOM OF THAT POND.

UH, TRAFFIC.

UH, THE CITY OF EDMOND DOES HAS RULES ABOUT TRAFFIC AND WHAT CAN HAPPEN.

I MENTIONED THE ORDINANCES.

UH, TRAFFIC CONTROL IS PUT IN PLACE BASED ON CERTAIN FACTORS.

IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN A HUNDRED TURNING MOVEMENTS AT ANY PEAK HOUR, YOU HAVE TO ADD TURNING MOVEMENTS.

MAYBE YOU WOULD SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

I MENTIONED THE UTILITY ACCESS.

MR. HACKETT MENTIONED THE ENTRANCES.

THE VALUES OF THE HOME IS NOT A RELEVANT FACTOR FOR THIS BODY OR THE CITY OF EDMOND WHATSOEVER.

UH, THE LEVEL WE'LL BALANCE OUR, WE'LL BALANCE OUR SITE SO IT WON'T BE HAVE SLOPES THAT ARE THE CONCERNS THAT ALREADY EXIST ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER ON 34TH STREET I MENTIONED WE'LL OPEN THAT UP SO THE WATER WILL THEN FLOW THROUGH TO OUR DRAINAGE FACILITIES.

UH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IT ON MY LIST.

MR. BLUNDELL? I THINK SO AS WELL.

ANY FOLLOW UP? ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD MR. BIKINIS BEFORE WE ASK ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS OF YOU? IF I'VE MISSED SOMETHING, LET ME KNOW.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW OF THE APPLICANT FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS? YES, I HAVE ONE.

UM, ANYTIME A DEVELOPMENT GOES IN, IT'S REALLY NICE FOR THEM THAT YOUR CLIENT TO HOST A MEETING.

UM, YOU'VE DONE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CLIENT'S DONE THAT WITH ME BEFORE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WOULD YOUR CLIENT BE WILLING TO DO THAT? TO SIT DOWN WITH THE NEIGHBORS? 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE ONCE THAT HAPPENS THIS MIGHT WORK OUT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY.

YEAH, I'D BE UH, I'D BE HAPPY FOR US TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AFTER TONIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COME BACK HERE TWO MORE TIMES, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE REFINEMENT OF THIS PLAN TO MEET THE CITY OF EDMOND.

AND THEN ONCE WE BUILD THIS, THE CITY INSPECTS IT TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLIANT AND THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK AT LAST TIME FOR FINAL PLAT ACCEPTANCE.

IF WE'RE APPROVED TONIGHT, I'D BE HAPPY FOR US TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AFTER TONIGHT AS WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ENGINEERING PHASE BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL PLATTING.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF COMMISSIONERS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THIS TO A VOTE.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO THAT IS APPROVED AND MOVES ON TO.

LET'S SEE, THAT IS DONE HERE TONIGHT.

SO THANK YOU.

MOVING ON DOWN THE

[C. Case No. Z26-00005; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval for a Zoning Map Amendment from “A” Single-Family to “PUD Z26-00005” 101 W Thatcher, located just west of the railroad on the north side of Thatcher. (Al Albahadily; Ward 1)]

CASE NUMBER Z 26 DASH 0 0 0 0 5 PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO PUDZ 26 0 0 0 0 5 1 0 1 WEST THATCHER LOCATED WEST OF THE RAILROAD AND THE NORTH SIDE OF THATCHER.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? UH, YES SIR.

THANK YOU MR. BRIAN, WILL YOU GO AHEAD AND PRESENT? YES.

THANK YOU SIR.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 6,900 SQUARE FEET.

THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THATCHER JUST WEST OF THE BNSF RAIL CORRIDOR.

NEARBY.

ZONING AND USES INCLUDE UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON ALL SIDES.

TO THE EAST IS A DUPLEX AND TO THE SOUTH IS UNDEVELOPED.

TO ACCOMMODATE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, EDMONDS CODE OFTEN REQUIRES A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS SUCH AS THE ONE BEING PROPOSED.

THE PUD DESIGN STATEMENT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING DETAILS.

THE USE IS LIMITED TO ONE DUPLEX RESIDENCE.

THE ACCESS WILL BE FROM THATCHER AND ALL PUBLIC UTILITIES

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THE EDMOND PLAN CATEGORIZES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS CATEGORY SUPPORTS A WIDE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, INCLUDING DUPLEXES AS PROPOSED IN THIS PUD AND SERVES AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN MORE INTENSE DOWNTOWN AREAS AND SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS.

BASED ON THESE CONDITIONS, THE PROPOSED PUD CONFORMS TO THE EDMOND PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADD TO CITY STAFF'S PRESENTATION? NO SIR.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR OF CITY STAFF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

CAN YOU COME UP AND ADDRESS PLEASE? WE GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR US WHEN YOU GET UP HERE.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOSEPH ALBA HADLEY.

I LIVE AT 2215 MESA TRAIL.

THANK YOU.

UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

I'M UH, KIND OF CONSCIOUS OF UH, OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BUILT ON ON THIS STREET.

UM, I THINK MOST OF THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON THIS ARE IN GOOD TASTE.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND MAKING THINGS, UH, EFFICIENT.

BUT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT MY QUESTION IS? WHAT WHAT'S GONNA BE RIGHT THERE ON ON BOTH THESE SIDES? I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD EFFORT THERE.

BUT WHAT, IS THAT A, A FRONT DOOR OR IS THAT A WINDOW OR? SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE.

MY FATHER IS PRETTY MUCH DOING THE LEGWORK UPON THE DESIGN ASPECT OF IT.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT IS GONNA BE THE FRONT DOOR AREA FOR BOTH OF THE UNITS.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

YEAH, 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST SOME, UH, PROPERTIES THERE THAT, UH, WEREN'T DEVELOPED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN MIND.

AND I THINK, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UH, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A ATTRACTIVE AS IT CAN BE IN THAT, IN THAT REGARD.

SO THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.

THANK YOU FOR MY TIRADE.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS OF CITY STAFF OR OF THE APPLICANT AND MR. BRIAN? AM I RIGHT? THIS IS 31 FEET SHY OF COMPLYING WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.

YEAH, IF IT WAS, UH, IF IT WAS 7,000 SQUARE FEET, THEY'D BE ABLE TO APPLY TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO JUST BY RIGHT.

BE TO FAMILY ZONING.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, WE WILL LOOK FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS PROPERTY, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ALL QUESTIONS TO ME PLEASE.

MY NAME IS TODD OBER.

DANG.

I LIVE AT 1 0 4 HANOVER DRIVE IN EDMOND.

UH, HAVING SEEN THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW DO WE HANDLE DRAINAGE HERE? IT LOOKS LIKE THE WHOLE SITE IS COVERED WITH A BUILDING AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW DO THEY DEAL WITH DRAINAGE? OKAY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, FROM THE PUBLIC I, DAN O'NEILL, UH, 1 0 1 STONY TRAIL.

UH, THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY IS SINGLE FAMILY AND WE'RE PUTTING DUPLEXES ON HERE.

OR WHAT OTHER ZONING ARE WE PUTTING ON THIS PROPERTY? WE'RE PUTTING DUPLEX ON THERE.

HAVE WE REZONED THIS? IS THIS A THIS IS THE PUDS.

THIS IS THE PUD RIGHT HERE.

OH, THIS IS THE PUD? YES.

OKAY.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GETTING AROUND THAT.

OKAY.

SO THIS, THIS WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL THEN? YES.

UH, IF IS IT PLATTED, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PLATTED.

DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, DAN? WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET YOU ANSWERS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S PART OF A PLATTED NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW THERE'S OTHERS THAT HAVE PROBABLY NOT.

UH, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE PLAT OF A HOUSE THAT'S, UH, ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY TO A DUPLEX, WHETHER YOU DO IT BY PUD OR WHATEVER.