* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING. [1. Call to Order of the Edmond City Council Meeting.] UNDER ITEM [2. Citizen Comments. This is an opportunity for residents and non-residents to address the City Council on city-related matters not on the agenda or scheduled for a public hearing. Citizens must sign up to speak either online by 3:00 p.m. the day of the City Council meeting, or in person by the start of the meeting. All remarks must be directed to the Mayor or Chair of the meeting, are limited to three minutes or less, and must otherwise be made in accordance with the City Council / Public Works Authority rules, available here and in the City Hall lobby. Please note that members of the City Council cannot respond to issues brought up in Citizen Comments if they are not on the agenda, in accordance with state law.] TWO, CITIZEN COMMENTS, WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO HAS SIGNED UP THIS EVENING. UH, MR. ROBBINS WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. NOT THAT I NEED TO REMIND YOU, BUT REMEMBER THAT YOU MUST ADDRESS THE CHAIR AND THE CHAIR ONLY, AND THAT, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. FIRST, JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. I KNOW Y'ALL SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY AND, AND DOING ALL THESE THINGS AND GET PAID ABOUT THE EQUIVALENT OF, UH, 10 CENTS, SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A PENNY FOR YOUR THOUGHTS SO YOU CAN ADD TO THAT 10 CENTS. UM, KICKING BIRD, WHERE I LIVE OFF DANFORTH, UM, YOU KNOW, OLD TOWN IS A SOURCE OF PRIDE FOR OUR COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS, DECADES. UH, SO MANY OF US HAVE, UH, MEMORIES OF, UH, GREAT MOVIES WE'VE HAD, DATE NIGHTS, MAYBE FIRST KISSES, UH, A WONDERFUL LOCAL BOOKSHOP THAT I THINK PUTS ANY OTHER BOOKSHOP TO, TO SHAME. GREAT DINING OPTIONS. AND WITH HOMELAND ACROSS THE STREET OVER ITS LIFETIME HAS GENERATED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF REVENUE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND A PRIDE OF, OF THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE. UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANY PLACE, YOU CAN GO THROUGH CHALLENGES. WE'VE HAD HOMELAND, UH, CLOSE. I THINK THE, THE NATIONAL JOKE IS YOU, YOU KNOW WHEN ECONOMIC DEATH IS COMING, WHEN THE SPIRIT COMES OF HALLOWEEN, AND, UH, WE GET A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS WHEN WE SEE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND WE HAVE A BIG TENANT GOLD GYM THAT'S NO LONGER THERE. RECENTLY WHEN I JUST PASSED BY TO GET A HAIRCUT ON SATURDAY, I, I SAW THAT THERE WAS A NEW STOREFRONT. IT WAS A VAPE AND TOBACCO, UH, SHOP. AND WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION IN PARTICULAR, AND I, I EMAILED AND SENT Y'ALL PHOTOS ON THIS, IS, UM, THE MARQUEE, UM, HAS HUGE LETTERING, UM, THAT DOESN'T FIT HISTORICALLY WITH THAT BRICK IN, IN KICKING BIRD PLAZA. IT'S GOT THE LIMEST GREEN YOU'VE EVER SEEN, UH, THAT SAYS VAPE, AND IT'S GOT SCHOOL BUS YELLOW, UH, THAT SAYS TOBACCO IN THERE. AND THEN EVERY SINGLE SQUARE INCH OF IT IS WITH CLINGS AND A CLOSEUP OF A HUGE MOUTH, UPSIDE DOWN GIRL, BLOWING OUT VAPE SMOKE AND HOOKAH AND, AND EVERYTHING. AND, UM, THOUGH I THINK THERE'S A PLACE AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL BUSINESSES TO SERVE REVIDENT, UH, RESIDENTS AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SERVICES, I WORRY ABOUT, UH, THE STANDARD. AND SO I ACTUALLY WENT AND TALKED TO THE, UH, BUSINESS OWNER TODAY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANY BUSINESS OWNER, UH, HE, HE HAD SUNK A LOT OF MONEY INTO IT. HE INDICATED TO ME THAT HE SUBMITTED HIS SIGN TO THE CITY TO APPROVAL. UM, YOU KNOW, HE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN GETTING HIS BUSINESS UP AND RUNNING AND THAT, AND THAT SIGN WAS APPROVED. I ASKED HIM ABOUT WHY HE HAD NOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, BUT FIVE NEON SIGNS IN HIS FRONT. AND HE SAID, "WELL, THE DISTRIBUTORS WHO, WHO, YOU KNOW, GIVE US ALL THIS PRODUCT AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL GIVE US, YOU KNOW, AN ADVERTISERS AND SO THEY SEND US ALL THIS." WELL, THOSE DISTRIBUTORS GIVE THE SAME NEON SIGNS AND CLINGS AND E-JUICE AND THE WHOLE THING, WHETHER YOU LIVE IN, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN NEW YORK, CHICAGO, LOS ANGELES, I THINK EDMOND NEEDS AND DESERVES A DIFFERENT STANDARD. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING TONIGHT THAT CITY COUNCIL, UH, THINK AND, AND ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT WHAT I THINK IS FINALLY NEEDED, WHICH IS SIGNAGE, UH, STANDARDS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF BUSINESSES AROUND, YOU KNOW, VAPE, POT, HOOKAH, TOBACCO, OTHERS THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED. AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT SOONER OR LATER, BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE NA - WAIT NINE MORE MONTHS, I THINK CERTAIN THINGS ATTRACT DIFFERENT THINGS. WE WANNA HAVE A, A STRONG ECONOMIC VITALITY. SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION TO THAT MATTER. THANK YOU, MR. ROBBINS. ITEM THREE [A. Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of Ordinance No. 4110 Declaring a Moratorium Until April 30, 2027 on the Enforcement of Ordinance No. 4086, Codified at Title 22 of the City of Edmond Municipal Code, Relating to Specific Use Permits for Massage Therapy Businesses Within the City of Edmond; Providing for an Appeal Process; Providing for Effective and Expiration Dates; and Declaring an Emergency. (Citywide)] IS PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. 3A IS PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4110, DECLARING A MORATORIUM UNTIL APRIL 30TH, 2027 ON THE ENFORCEMENT OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4086, CODIFIED AT TITLE 22 OF THE ED - OF THE CITY OF EDMOND MUNICIPAL CODE RELATING TO SPE- SPECIFIC USE PERMITS FOR MASSAGE THERAPY BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY OF EDMOND, PROVIDING FOR AN APPEAL PROCESS, PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE AND EXPIRATION DATES AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY. AND ARE YOU GONNA TAKE THIS ONE? YES, SIR. MR. KRIEGER? SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE PROCESS THAT THE CITY HAS UNDERTAKEN TO REGULATE, UH, MASSAGE PARLORS AND SPECIFICALLY THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT PROCESS. AND AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, I THINK THE COUNCIL EXPRESSED SOME DEGREE OF CONCERN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE, UH, SPECIFIC USE PER - UH, PERMIT PROCESS WAS HITTING THE MARK, AS YOU MIGHT SAY, OR ACCOMPLISHING WHAT WE NEED IT TO. AND, UH, SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A MORATORIUM AND, UH, SO THAT, THAT'S BEEN PREPARED FOR TONIGHT. THE, THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE YOU CONSIDER, UH, THE, UH, MORATORIUM IS THAT, UH, AND YOU SEE IT IN THE STAFF REPORT, THAT IT WOULD AT LEAST, UH, FOR A SHORT PERIOD, IT WOULD HOLD IN ABEYANCE ANY ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS A CITY STAFF MIGHT TAKE [00:05:01] AGAINST, UH, BUSINESSES THAT DON'T COMPLY WITH OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S ORDINANCE 4086. AND SO I WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT, UH, THE CITY STAFF IS PREPARING TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE. AND IF YOU, BUT IF YOU DO ADOPT A MORATORIUM TONIGHT IT WOULD PREVENT US FROM DOING SO. AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THERE. QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA HOLD IT TILL WE SEE IF ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CARES TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. MY, MY COMMENT IS, I THINK I WAS THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, AND THEN I MET WITH ONE OF THE APPLICANTS THAT WE CONTINUED TO TONIGHT, AND THROUGH CONVERSATION, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IF WE DO A MORATORIUM, THEN THE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE COME TO US AND WORKED THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS MANY TIMES STRUGGLED THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THEN WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING, "WELL, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, BUT NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD AND THE 15 OR SO THAT HAVEN'T EVEN BOTHERED TO APPLY, THEY JUST GET TO KEEP BUSINESS AS USUAL UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT." AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, AFTER THINKING IT THROUGH AND HAVING A, A CONVERSATION WITH THE KYLIES, UM, AFTER OUR LAST MEETING. UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I'M GONNA VOTE NO ON THE MORATORIUM BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO GET THESE BUSINESSES THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT WE KNOW DOESN'T DO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND GET ONTO A BUSINESS LICENSE. SO THAT'S JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THIS IS WE'VE GOT TO GET PAST THIS, SO. I AGREE. CAN YOU, YOU SAID, UM, USED THE WORD ENFORCE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WOULD STAFF BE ABLE TO ENFORCE WITH THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT? WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THEY CAN ENFORCE? UM, SPEAKING IN GENERALITIES, I THINK AT A MINIMUM WE WOULD HAVE A, A ZONING, UH, A ZONING ENFORCEMENT CASE, UH, A ZONING VIOLATION CASE. IF THERE'S A BUSINESS OPERATING OR A LAND USE OPERATING IN A WAY THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE, THEN WE'D HAVE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, AT, AT LEAST THAT ENFORCEMENT ACTION. AND THEN, UH, PROPERTY TO PROPERTY, SITE TO SITE, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS, UH, THAT THE STAFF WOULD DISCOVER. BUT AT, AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD CALL IT A ZONING ENFORCEMENT CASE. SO AT THE LAST MEETING, I HAD ASKED THAT I HOPE WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER PROCESS THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. SO BY DENYING THE MORATORIUM, GOING FOR, UH, TWO THINGS. IF WE DENY THE MORATORIUM, STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO DO THEIR WORK, CORRECT? YES. AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO THEIR WORK EFFECTIVELY? YES. AND THEN A BETTER PROCESS IS ON THE WAY. YEAH, I THINK THE MAYOR JUST MADE REFERENCE TO, UM, UH, THE, UH, THE USE OF A BUSINESS LICENSE. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED - I KNOW IT, I, I HEARD HIM, BUT I'M SAYING IT'S ON THE WAY. IT'S COMING, RIGHT? YES. WE'LL WORK ON IT, YES. ANY KIND OF TIMELINE? SO AS YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE OR THE, THE MORATORIUM, UH, WOULD'VE BEEN EFFECTIVE THROUGH APRIL 30TH OF 2027. WHAT I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING IS IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2027, STAFF CAN COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH, UH, SOME SUGGESTIONS AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO DO THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'VE LEARNED IS THAT WE AREN'T GETTING TO, UH, WE AREN'T MEETING THE COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS JUST ON A, ON A LAND USE, UH, TRACK. AND SO THERE'S A NEED PROBABLY TO EXPAND OUR EFFORTS OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND SO WE'LL MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2027 FOR HOW TO DO THAT. SO BY DENIAL OF THE MORATORIUM, IT'S KIND OF A DOMINO EFFECT. WE DENY THE MORATORIUM, WE, THE, THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA AND IN THE PIPELINE, THOSE WORK THEIR WAYS THROUGH. STAFF CAN DO THEIR WORK AND WE'LL HAVE A BETTER PROCESS FIRST QUARTER OF 27. YES. UH, YES. [00:10:02] GROOVY. UH, I WILL JUST SAY WE'VE LEARNED A LOT THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND, UM, I AGREE WITH THE WAY, WITH THE SUGGESTIONS YOU'RE MAKING. I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO TO DENY THE MORATORIUM AFTER FURTHER THOUGHT AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS. UM, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE THING WE DO HERE. I THINK IT'S A S - A SERIES OF THINGS, UM, THAT, AND THERE'S NOT A QUICK FIX. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE LAND USE APPROACH IS, IS ONE STEP. I THINK THERE ARE OTHER STEPS THAT WE CAN TAKE. I'M NOT THRILLED WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW WE KINDA GOT INTO THIS, BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. WE'VE LEARNED A LOT AS WE'VE GONE, AND SO I THINK WE'RE ON A PATH NOW TO HAVE A LONGER TERM FIX THAT MAKES SENSE. SO I, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE MORATORIUM MAKES SENSE TO ME AND GET THROUGH THE BACKLOG THAT WE HAVE ON THESE. UM, COULD WE, COULD WE BE REMINDED AND COULD WE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC, BE REMINDED WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING EVIDENCE THAT THE THERAPISTS HOLD APPLICABLE LICENSES FROM THE STATE BOARD OF COSMETOLOGY AND THAT THE FAC- FACADE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED THAT IN AT LEAST SOME OF THE COUNCIL'S VIEW THAT DOESN'T QUITE GO FAR ENOUGH. I MEAN, SOMEBODY MIGHT PHRASE IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT THAT IN ORDER TO GET TO THE OVERALL SORT OF REGULATION AND RECALL, THIS STARTED OUT UNDER A COMMUNITY IMAGE HEADING MORE THAN JUST, UH, MASSAGE PARLORS WERE, UH, WERE INTENDED TO BE A PART OF THE EFFORT. SO UNDER THAT BROADER COMMUNITY IMAGE, UH, UMBRELLA, WE STARTED OFF WITH THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT FIRST. AND I THINK WE'RE LEARNING IN PRACTICE THAT IT'S NOT ACCOMPLISHING EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL IS WANTING TO UNDER THAT BROADER, U- U- UNDER THAT BROADER UMBRELLA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WHAT'D YOU LIKE TO DO? I'M SORRY. I DO HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. I'M TRYING TO THINK, LIKE, WHAT ARE QUESTIONS THAT OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE? IF, IF A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT DOES NOT APPLY FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WHAT HAPPENS? LET ME TRY AND ANSWER THIS WAY. IF WE GET THROUGH THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, WHICH IS THE DEADLINE, DECEMBER 31ST, AND SO EARLY INTO THE NEXT YEAR, WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT HAVEN'T COMPLIED WITH THE ORDINANCE, THEN WE COULD BEGIN SOME KIND OF A ZONING ENFORCEMENT ACTION. AND AS I SAY, IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT, WE MAY FIND OUT THERE ARE OTHER, UH, VIOLATIONS OR OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN PURSUE. BUT AT A MINIMUM, I WOULD EXPECT EARLY IN 2027, WE'LL BEGIN, BEGIN IN A ZONING ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. SO LET'S BE CLEAR. THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE HERE IS THERE WERE TWO, COMMUNITY IMAGE AND PROTECTING THE PUBLIC. AND WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO, IF WE DENY THE MORATORIUM, THAT'LL SOLVE THAT. AS BEST WE CAN, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S VERY FAIR JUST TO CALL THIS A WORK IN PROGRESS. IT'S A, IT'S A - BUT T- THOSE TWO OBJECTIVES? YES. OKAY. I'LL, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE HERE WHENEVER WE'RE READY. THE MOTION WILL BE TO APPROVE. VOTE YES OR NO FOR THAT, I GUESS. CORRECT. I'VE GOT A MOTION. AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION FAILS 05. WE'RE NOW ON TO [B. Case No. U26-00002; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Specific Use Permit for Cypress Spa, Located at 24 E 4th Street. (Yang; Ward 1)] ITEM 3B, CASE NUMBER U26-00002, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CYPRESS SPA LOCATED AT 24 EAST 4TH STREET. IS APPLICANT PRESENT? MR. RYAN? YES, THANK YOU. UH, MY COMMENTS ARE GENERALLY APPLY TO THE, THE SPECIFIC USE CASES THAT YOU SEE ON THE AGENDA. UM, BY THE TIME THEY ARRIVE ON AN AGENDA, THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROVIDED EVIDENCE THAT THERAPISTS HOLD LICENSES FROM THE STATE, UH, BOARD OF COSMETOLOGY AND BARBERING, AND THAT THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE RELATED TO, UM, THE ABSENCE OF OPAQUE TINT ON WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT FACE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UM, CASES ON THE AGENDA HAVE ALSO RECEIVED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, OR, UM, [00:15:01] AND/OR THE URBAN BOARD WHERE APPROPRIATE, UH, WITH ONE EXCEPTION. ITEM 3E, WHICH IS CASE U2600023, FAILED TO GET THE NECESSARY AFFIRMATIVE VOTES AT PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU, MR. BRYANT. WILL THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? COUNSEL? I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE CONFUSION FROM LAST TIME. UM, TH- THIS HAS BEEN SUCH A CHALLENGING, I THINK AS EVERYONE'S HEARD ALREADY THIS EVENING, JUST US DISCUSSING A MORATORIUM OR NOT. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT REALLY BECAME VERY CLEAR AFTER OUR LAST MEETING TO AT LEAST MYSELF WAS WE WERE GIVEN CRITERIA TO EVALUATE THESE APPLICATIONS ON, AND THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THE CRITERIA THAT WE WERE GIVEN FOR A, GENERALLY SPEAKING, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT DON'T APPLY THE WAY THIS ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN, UH, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND SO I'M GONNA BE THE FIRST TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND JUST SAY THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS AND THAT WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT HOW TO, TO HELP OUR, OUR BUSINESSES MOVING FORWARD. SO ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL? I'LL JUST LIKEWISE. APOLOGIES FOR ME AS WELL. I WAS THE ONE THAT EXPRESSED CONCERN LAST TIME. IT WASN'T ABOUT, UH, WELL, ANYWAY, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE'RE LEARNING, AS I SAID EARLIER, SO THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US. THANK YOU FOR THE LETTER YOU, YOU SENT TO US. UM, AND I'LL MAKE, DO WE NEED TO GO PUBLIC? WE DID THAT. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. ITEM [C. Case No. U26-00005; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Specific Use Permit for Anza Magic Medical Massage Therapy, Located at 3208 Teakwood Lane, Suite 106. (Austin John; Ward 3)] 3C, CASE NUMBER U260005, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR ANZA MAGIC MEDICAL MASSAGE THERAPY LOCATED AT 3208 TEAKWOOD LANE, SUITE 106. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? AND THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL, QUESTIONS? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? NO. THOUGHTS? DID WE CONTINUE THIS ONE LAST TIME BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WASN'T PRESENT? WE DID. YEAH, I MEAN, IF THIS WERE A TYPICAL REGULAR LAND USE ITEM, I THINK WE WOULD CONTINUE IT IF THE APPLICANT WASN'T HERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WOULD MIND REACHING OUT TO THEM AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT WE LIKE THEM TO BE HERE. MAYBE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. BUT YEAH, I'D, I'D MOVE TO CONTINUE THEN. YEAH, LET'S CONTINUE TO THE DECEMBER MEETING, 14TH. OKAY. SECOND. I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. ITEM [D. Case No. U26-00019; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Specific Use Permit for Mona Lisa Massage, Located at 613 South Broadway. (Kiely; Ward 3)] 3D, CASE NUMBER U26-00019, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MONA LISA MASSAGE LOCATED AT 613 SOUTH BROADWAY. AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. I SEE MR. KILY IN THE BACK. WOULD YOU CARE TO ADD ANYTHING THIS EVENING? NO. WOULD ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? I THINK ONCE AGAIN, I'LL START THIS BY SAYING I MET WITH THE KILEYS AFTER OUR LAST MEETING AND I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION. I APPRECIATE THE INPUT THAT YOU ALL GAVE ME. UM, AND MR. KILY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO SAY THE BIG STATEMENT YOU MADE TO ME. IS THAT OKAY? HE ASKED THE QUESTION, "WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING BACKGROUND CHECKS?" AND WE EXPLAINED WHAT THE ORDINANCE WAS AND WHERE OUR HANDS WERE KIND OF TIED ON THIS ISSUE. AND HE REALLY HELPED ME THROUGH THIS PROCESS, KNOWING THAT WE GO DOWN THE BUSINESS LICENSE PATH, WE'VE GOT THAT ABILITY. UM, WE CAN, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO CRAFT OUR ORDINANCE TO MAKE THAT WORK. UM, YOU KNOW, A GREAT EXAMPLE THAT HE GAVE ME WAS HE'S A FORMER HOCKEY COACH. UM, AND TO BE A HOCKEY COACH FOR YOUTH, GUESS WHAT? YOU HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK. SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT, IT WAS A GREAT CONVERSATION AND I APPRECIATE THE INPUT. UM, AND HE, HE ALSO GAVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF INFO [00:20:01] ON A COUPLE OF OTHER APPLICANTS AS WELL. SO MR. KILY, THANK YOU. AND, AND ONCE AGAIN, I DO APOLOGIZE FOR, UM, THE STRUGGLES THAT WE'VE HAD GOING THROUGH THIS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? I HAD A CHAT WITH MR. KILEY AND ENJOY YOUR VETERANS DAY, BUDDY. YES. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. [E. Case No. U26-00023; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Specific Use Permit for a Massage Therapy Business Located at 1151 West 15th Street. (Willis; Ward 3)] ITEM 3E, CASE NUMBER U26-00023, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MASSAGE THERAPY LOCATED AT 1151 WEST 15TH STREET. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? WOULD YOU CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? WOULD ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? COUNSEL, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MOTION TO APPROVE. I'VE GOT A MOTION. SECOND. AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. WE'RE NOW [F. Case No. VA26-00012; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Variance to Section 15.35.040 of the Edmond Municipal Code to Allow a Ground Sign to be Located in an Easement, on the Property Located on the East Side of Sooner Road, on the North Side of Conference Drive. (Legacy at Covell Shops, LLC; Ward 2)] ON ITEM 3F, CASE NUMBER VA26-00012, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO SECTION 15.35.040 OF THE EDMOND MUNICIPAL CODE TO ALLOW A GROUND SIGN TO BE LOCATED IN AN EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOONER ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CONFERENCE DRIVE. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? MR. BRYAN? THANK YOU, SIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO THE SIGN CODE TO ALLOW A GROUND SIGN TO BE PLACED IN A PUBLIC EASEMENT. THE SPECIFIC LOCATION IS SHOWN AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOONER AND CONFERENCE DRIVE. STAFF DID NOT IDENTIFY CONFLICTS WITH THE PROPOSED PLACEMENT AND FURTHER NOTED THAT SHOULD THE SIGN BE DAMAGED OR NEED TO BE REMOVED AS A RESULT OF MAINTENANCE OR OPERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EASEMENT, NO COMPENSATION WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE SIGN OWNER. THE SIGN ITSELF IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER SIGN PLAN AND THE APPROVED PUD AT THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 20, 2026. PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY VOTE OF THREE TO ZERO. APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? COUNCIL, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MOTION TO APPROVE. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. UH, IN THE STAFF MEMO UNDER THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THE APPLICANT IS AWARE THAT IF THERE'S ANY IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA THAT THE SIGN MAY BE REMOVED. UH, YES, SIR. WE NOT, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. OKAY. I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. ITEM [G. Case No. VA26-00013; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of a Variance to Section 15.35.040 of the Edmond Municipal Code to Allow a Ground Sign to be Located in the Right-of-Way on the Property Located at 2725 Market Street. (Legacy at Covell Shops, LLC; Ward 2)] 3G, CASE NUMBER VA26-00013, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF VARIANCE TO SECTION 15.35.040, THE ADMIN MUNICIPAL CODE TO ALLOW GROUND SIGN TO BE LOCATED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2725 MARKET STREET. APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, SIR. MR. BROWN? THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE OF THE SIGN CODE TO ALLOW A GROUND SIGN TO BE PLACED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THE SPECIFIC LOCATION IS SHOWN AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF COVELLAN MARKET. STAFF DID NOT IDENTIFY CONFLICTS WITH THE PROPOSED PLACEMENT AND FURTHER NOTED THAT SHOULD THE SIGN BE DAMAGED OR NEED TO BE REMOVED AS A RESULT OF MAINTENANCE OR OPERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY, NO COMPENSATION WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE SIGN OWNER. THE SIGN ITSELF IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER SIGN PLAN AND THE APPROVED PUD. AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 20, 2026, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ZERO. WOULD THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? ACKNOWLEDGE THE SAME. AND THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE TO SECTION 21.02.010. SECOND. I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, I'D ALSO... THIS, THIS REQUIRES A SECOND VOTE, YEAH. A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN WITH THE VARIANCE. NO, WE'RE JUST NOW ON H. THAT WAS G. YEAH, YEAH. UH, MY MISTAKE. [H. Case No. SP25-00017; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval for a Site Plan for OnCue #156, located on the Southeast Corner of Kelly and Covell. (Johnson & Associates; Ward 1) Said Consideration to Include Consideration of Approval of the Following Variances to Title 21, Subdivisions, of the Edmond Municipal Code: A Variance to Section 21.02.010 which requires 325 Feet of Separation between Driveways.] 3H IS CASE NUMBER SP25-00017, [00:25:02] PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION APPROVAL FOR A SITE PLAN FOR ON CUE NUMBER 156, LOCATED SOUTHEAST CORNER OF KELLY AND COVELL. SAID CONSIDERATION TO INCLUDE CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF FOLLOWING VARIANCES TO TITLE 21 SUBDIVISION OF THE EDMOND MUNICIPAL CODE, A VARIANCE OF SECTION 21.02.010, WHICH REQUIRES 325 FEET OF SEPARATION BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. KRISTEN LIVINGTON, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR ON CUE NUMBER 156 LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE KELLY AND COVELL INTERSECTION. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE KELLY CORNER HONEYFIELD DEVELOPMENT AND IS THE FIRST COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO DEVELOP. A VARIANCE IS BEING REQUESTED FROM TITLE 21.02.010 FOR DRIVEWAY SEPARATION DISTANCE, AS THE SITE DESIGN STANDARDS DO NOT MEET THE MINIMUM 320 FOOT SEPARATION REQUIREMENT BETWEEN UNSIGNALIZED DRIVEWAYS. STAFF SUPPORTS THE VARIANCE REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT SUBJECT TO THE VARIANCE. JUST AS A SIDE NOTE TO THE VARIANCE, THE VARIANCE IS FOR THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS, THE DISTANCE FR - SORRY, FROM THE TWO PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS. THE DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSECTION TO THE FIRST DRIVEWAY MEETS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS? DOES THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? MY NAME'S DAN O'NEILL. WE'VE BEEN A LONG-TIME SUPPORTER OF SIGN ORDINANCES. UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN, UH, THE ENCUE SITE AND SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, AREAS AROUND THERE AND THAT THIS SITE, UH, UH, VARIANCE COULD BE USED FOR OTHER BUSINESSES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. IT DEPENDS A LITTLE BIT ON HOW IT'S APPLIED AND, AND SOME OF THEIR OPTIONS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE APPROVING IF THEY'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT TO HAVE SOME CONNECTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITE. THANK YOU. UH, THERE IS CALEB MORGAN JOHNSON ASSOCIATES. I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT. UH, THERE IS CONNECTIVITY WITH THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDING. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS, UH, THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. HAVE WE GOT SOME DRAWINGS WE CAN GO BACK TO SO WE CAN PUT UP ON THE SCREEN TOO? AND I THOUGH HE MENTIONED SIGNS, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS THE QUESTION EXACTLY. I THINK THE CONNECTIVITY IS THE ISSUE WE NEED TO LOOK AT HERE, IF WE CAN FIND THAT DRAWING. THERE YOU GO. YEP. SO WE DON'T SHOW ALL THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AROUND. THERE ARE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BEING, UH, PERMITTED SEPARATELY. UH, THERE ARE PLANS FOR CONNECTIVITY AND TO, UH, USE THE DRIVE THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE THERE FOR CONNECTIVITY FOR OTHER PROJECTS. AND, UH, THE ONE THAT'S IN THE FURTHEST SOUTHWEST CORNER, THAT DRIVE AS WELL WILL ALSO BE USED BY, UH, OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. BUT, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ELABORATE IF, IF IT'S NEEDED. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO SECOND, CAST YOUR VOTE. THIS IS, THIS IS... OH, WE NEED TO DO THE VARIANCE FIRST, DON'T WE? WE NEED TO DO THE VARIANCE. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE ON 3H. I'VE GOT A SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. NOW WE'RE ON ITEM H ITSELF. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 3H. SECOND. GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. ITEM [I. Case No. Z26-00021; Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of Ordinance No. 4111 Rezoning Certain Property Located at 119 and 121 West Hurd Street from “F-1” Light Industrial to “CBD” Central Business District and Providing an Effective Date. (Canvas Development; Ward 1)] 3-I, CASE NUMBER Z26-00021, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 411, REZONING CERTAIN PROPERTY LOCATED AT 119 AND 121 WEST HEARD FROM F1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO CBD CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES. MR. BRYAN? YES. THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 2.3 ACRES. THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HEARD, WEST OF THE BNSF RAIL CORRIDOR. NEARBY ZONING AND USES INCLUDE, TO THE NORTH AND WEST, ARE ZONED F1, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND ARE OCCUPIED BY A REGIONAL DRAINAGE FACILITY. TO THE SOUTH ACROSS HEARD IS ZONED CBD, CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND IS DEVELOPED AS A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX. TO THE EAST IS ZONED FOR AND DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A BIRA ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH [00:30:01] ALLOWS A VARIETY OF RESIDENTIAL, CIVIC, COMMERCIAL, AND LOW INTENSITY INDUSTRIAL USES. THE EDMOND PLAN CATEGORIZES THIS AREA AS URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE REQUESTED DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE. AT THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 13, 2026, THE CENTRAL EDMOND URBAN DISTRICT BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO, AND AT THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 20, 2026, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF THREE TO ZERO. WILL THE APPLICANT CARE TO ADD ANYTHING? HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND ARE THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. WOULD YOU MIND COMING OUT, MR. COATS? THANKS. FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR BRIEFING THE PARKS BOARD ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD HERE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE KIND OF VISION WAS FOR THE PROPERTY, THE USAGE. IT'S STILL, UH, EDDIE COATES WITH CANVAS DEVELOPMENT. UM, STILL COMING INTO FOCUS JUST A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. UM, IT'S GONNA BE IN KEEPING WITH SORT OF THE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL VISION THAT'S CALLED FOR IN THE COMP PLAN FOR THIS PART OF CENTRAL EDMOND, SO - OKAY. UM, BUT WE'RE STILL LOOKING A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I THINK IT WILL BE PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. COMPLIMENTARY TO HERD COURTS, I ASSUME. YOU GOT IT. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, WOULD YOU BE OKAY ONCE THE SITE PLAN FIRMS UP A LITTLE MORE TO DO THAT SAME DISCUSSION WITH PARKS BOARD ON THIS ONE? YES. OKAY, THANKS. HE JUST ASKED MY SECOND... YEAH. UH, AND THEN MR. BRYAN, WHAT, SINCE WE'RE ON THIS, IF YOU WOULD FACILITATE THAT, UH, S- SEE THAT WITH THE SITE PLANS AVAILABLE THAT HE GETS TO THE PARKS, PARKS BOARD. AND, UH, WHEN THERE'S PROPOSALS WITHIN, I DON'T KNOW, 300 FEET OF A PARK, MAYBE WE CAN JUST KINDA MAKE THAT ROUTINE SO THE PARKS BOARD CAN BE, UH, BRIEFED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING AND OFFER THEIR OPINION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I JUST HAD ONE. YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, I THINK, TO MAYBE GET YOURSELF A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD IF YOU'D BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP WHEN YOU BRIEFED THE PARK BOARD ON HERD COURTS. WE, WE, WE, WE DID DISCUSS IT. YEAH, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN MY, UH, EMAIL ON THAT UPDATE, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT IN THAT MEETING THIS, UH, THIS SITE AND THAT SAME SORT OF REQUEST THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN WATTERSON, UM, CAME UP WHEN YOU GET DOWN THE ROAD AND, UM, ARE MORE AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING BACK, AND I SAID I'D BE HAPPY TO. OKAY. I MEAN, THE, WHAT I GOT FROM SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PARK BOARD IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER THEY SAW THE, THE AGENDA WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WHEN YOU TALKED TO THEM ABOUT HERD COURTS. UM, THAT'S INCORRECT, BUT I, WE TALKED ABOUT THE HERD COURTS PROJECT IN DETAIL BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S AT IN ITS DEVELOPMENT LIFECYCLE. THIS ONE WE ALSO POINTED TO AND MENTIONED THAT IT WOULD BE COMING DOWN AND THE REQUEST WAS MADE, "WOULD YOU COME BACK ONCE YOU HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING?" OKAY. AND, AND I SAID YES TO THAT. SO - OKAY, PERFECT. YEP. PERFECT. AND ONE THING I WANNA MAKE CLEAR, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SITTING UP HERE HAS AN EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AN EXTRA LAYER OF APPROVAL. WE JUST WANT OUR ADVISORY BOARDS TO AT LEAST HEAR ABOUT IT SO THAT IF THERE IS ANY CONCERNS, I CAN, THEY CAN PASS THAT ON. SO DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A NEW PROCESS WHERE IF YOU'RE WITHIN, AS COUNCILMAN MOORE SAID, 300 FEET OF A PARK, YOU GOTTA GET THEIR APPROVAL BEFORE YOU COME HERE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE IDEA. SO, BUT THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? UM, THANK YOU, MR. COATES, FOR YOUR WORK AND FOR YOUR COMMUNICATION. I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION AND SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. [J. Public Hearing and Consideration of Approval of Ordinance No. 4112 Amending Ordinance No. 4091 to Extend Until June 30, 2027 the Moratorium on the Acceptance of Applications for the Processing and Issuance of Rezoning Requests and Building Permits that Would Allow Construction on, Expansion of, or Use of Property for Purposes of Locating or Operating a Data Center Within the City Of Edmond; Defining Data Center; Providing For an Appeal Process; Providing For Effective And Expiration Dates; Providing For Repealer and Severability; And Declaring an Emergency. (Citywide)] NOW ON ITEM 3J, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 4112, AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 4091 TO EXTEND UNTIL JUNE 30TH, 2027, THE MORATORIUM ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF APPLICATIONS FOR THE PROCESSING AND ISSUANCE OF REZONING REQUESTS AND BUILDING PERMITS THAT WOULD ALLOW CONSTRUCTION ON EXPANSION OF OR USE OF PROPERTY FOR PURPOSES OF LOCATING OR OPERATING A DATA CENTER WITHIN THE CITY OF EDMOND DEFINING DATA CENTER, PROVIDING FOR AN APPEAL PROCESS, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE AND EXPIRATION DATES, PROVIDING FOR REPEALER AND SEVERABILITY AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY. UM, WHO'D LIKE TO GIVE US A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS? UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'D SIMPLY SAY THIS WAS AS REQUESTED BY THE, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL. WE BROUGHT SOME DRAFT LAND USE REGULATIONS FOR DATA CENTERS TO OUR LAST MEETING. THE COUNCIL ASKED US, GIVEN ALL THE [00:35:01] ADVANCEMENTS AND ALL, ALL THE ACTIVITY, THE COUNCIL ASKED US TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS. WE'LL GO OUT AND CONTINUE SOME RESEARCH AND, UH, BRING IT BACK, UH, PRIOR TO EXPIRATION AT THE END OF JUNE. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? COUNCIL, QUESTIONS? OH, WAIT. WE'VE GOT SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK. COME ON UP. DAVID HENNESSY, 1208 CHIPPER LANE, EDMOND, OKLAHOMA. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY STUFF ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS, AI. STOP CALLING THEM DATA CENTERS. THEY ARE MASS SURVEILLANCE, UH, FACILITIES THAT WILL FORCE 99% OF US INTO A DIGITAL PRISON BY 2030. DATA CENTERS, SPYWARE CENTERS GET THE CLEAN, SAFE WATER AND HUMANS GET TO DRINK THE CANCER WATER. NEARLY HALF OF THE DATA CENTERS PLAN FOR 2026 HAVE REPORTEDLY BEEN DELAYED OR CANCELED. NEVER UNDER- UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION. THESE DATA CENTERS, SPY CENTERS, SENDING OUR ELECTRIC AND WATER BILL SKYROCKETING AND LEAVING COMMUNITIES WITH ALMOST NOTHING IN RETURN EXCEPT FOR US, UTILITY, CUSTOMERS, AND DEATH. TELL THESE BILLIONAIRES TO BUILD THESE DATA CENTERS, SPY CENTERS IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD. THERE IS A DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT STATES THAT ANYTHING BUILT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY CANNOT USE ANY COMPONENTS FROM CHINA. THAT IS HOW A COUNTY IN TEXAS STOP OR BLOCK A DATA CENTER, SPYWARE CENTER FROM CONSTRUCTION. UNLESS THAT DATA CENTER, SPYWARE CENTERS, DENY IS OFFICIAL, WRITTEN, LEGAL, MINATORIUM, YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS TO HAVE OFFICIAL STANDARDS AND DEMANDS, LIKE HAVING THESE, THIS DE- DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT AND HAVING THEM PROVIDE ALL THEIR WATER AND ELECTRIC NEEDS AND DON'T FORGET THE NOISE POLLUTION. WE DON'T WANT DATA CENTERS. WE DON'T WANT UNREGULATED AI. WE DON'T WANT SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY. WE DON'T WANT OUR DATA BEING STOLEN AND USED AGAINST US. WE DON'T WANT OUR RESOURCES EXHAUSTED, OUR ENVIRONMENT, UH, POLLUTED, OUR BILLS RAISED, AND OUR PRIVACY VIOLATED FOR NOTHING. EVERYBODY THINKS THAT OUR OIL IS OUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCE, BUT IT IS OUR CLEAN, SAFE DRINKING WATER. IF THE CITY OF EDMOND, OKLAHOMA COUNTY, AND THE ENTIRE STATE OF OKLAHOMA DOES NOT HAVE A SALES TAX EXEMPTION FOR QUALIFYING DATA SPY CENTERS, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY DATA SPY CENTERS IN OUR CITIES, COUNTIES, OR STATE. I WAS GONNA BRING UP IF ANY OF THESE DATA CENTERS, IF YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A, UM, NON-DISCLOSURE ACT, IF YOU TALK TO ANYBODY, BUT I GUESS I CAN'T SAY THAT, WHICH IS... I DON'T KNOW. AND I WAS GONNA A- ASK THE PEOPLE OF THE AUDIENCE IF, IF THEY WERE FOR OR AGAINST IT, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT. WHAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE BURDEN ON YOU GUYS, LET THE PEOPLE OF EDMOND VOTE ON HAVING THIS DATA SPYWARE CENTER. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? I, I CAN RESPOND TO YOU. OKAY. IN THIS PARTICULAR SETTING, WE HAVE HAD NO DATA CENTER COME TO US. WE HAVE NOT BEEN SEEKING ANY DATA CENTERS, BUT AS WE SAID IN OUR LAST MEETING, YOU CANNOT SAY NO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ORDINANCES REGULATING THEM. AND THAT IS ONE OF OUR BIG CHALLENGES, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A MORATORIUM IN PLACE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE EXTENDING THE MORATORIUM, BECAUSE WE ARE EXPECTING STAFF TO GIVE US ORDINANCES SO THAT IF A DATA CENTER EVER COMES TO US, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REGULATE WITH. SO WE'VE MADE THAT... I THINK WE MADE THAT PRETTY CLEAR AT OUR LAST MEETING. I MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR IN AN INTERVIEW ON A LOCAL TELEVISION STATION LAST WEEK, AND I'LL MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO YOU. WITHOUT ORDINANCE, WE CAN'T STOP THEM. [00:40:01] THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING DOWN THIS PATH. WELL, DO YOU THINK IF NOT HAVING ANY SALES TAX EXEMPTION, DON'T YOU THINK THAT WOULD HELP STOP THEM? THAT, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE TONIGHT. TONIGHT IT'S ALL ABOUT MORATORIUM. WOULD HELP? TONIGHT, IT'S ALL ABOUT THIS MORATORIUM. STAFF HAS HEARD WHAT YOU'VE SAID, SO. OKAY. LIKE I SAY, I THINK AT LEAST 98% OF THE PEOPLE OF EDMOND, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT ARE AGAINST DATA CENTERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO. MY NAME'S ANGELA HARTMAN, 1616 CATCHDRIVE, AND I JUST, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ASK QUESTIONS, BUT - MISS, WOULD YOU PULL THAT MICROPHONE TO YOU? YES. THANK YOU. IS THAT BETTER? YES, MA'AM. SORRY. UM, ANGELA HARTMAN, 1616 CATCHDRIVE. UM, SO I HAD A STUDY, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, QUOTE ONE SENTENCE AND THEN ASK A QUESTION IF I COULD, IS THAT IN THE UNITED STATES, THE SURGING DEMAND FOR AI IS PROJECTED TO DRIVE DATA CENTER ELECTRICITY USE TO 6.7, OR FROM 6.7 TO 12% OF THE NATIONAL TOTAL. AND I NOTICED AN UPCOMING ITEM IS THAT WE ARE VOTING ON A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF EDMOND ELECTRIC RESERVES, UH, TO THE ED- EDMOND ELECTRIC SUBSTATION PROJECTS BUDGET OF $4 MILLION. AND I JUST WONDERED IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU GUYS PLANNING ON DOING ANYTHING WITH AN AI DATA CENTER IN THE FUTURE THAT WE HAVE THAT LARGE OF A NEED ALL OF A SUDDEN. I REFER YOU TO MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT. NO, THAT PROJECT IS ALL ABOUT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE OUR CURRENT AND FUTURE ELECTRIC NEEDS WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY. IT'S NOT ABOUT DATA CENTERS. OKAY. WELL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT WILL MAKE IT GO UP EXPONENTIALLY ABOVE THAT. IF, IF IT'S JUST $4 MILLION JUST FOR US AS, UH, AS RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT A SIX TO 8% INCREASE ON THAT AMOUNT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO ANY EDMOND RESIDENT NO MATTER WHAT INCOME BRACKET YOU ARE IN. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL? MR. MAYOR, THE, UH, I APPRECIATE THIS BEING ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN NICHOLS, SHE AND I ASKED THIS TO BE ON THERE FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AGO, WHATEVER IT WAS, AND I APPRECIATE THE STAFF WORK TO DATE AND, UH, AND I APPRECIATE YOU DRAFTING THIS, UH, EXTENSION OF THE MORATORIUM. UH, AND THE FELLOW THAT SPOKE UP HERE A MINUTE AGO, IF YOU'D ASKED ME ON A STREET CORNER IF I'VE SIGNED A NON-DISCLOSURE, THE ANSWER IS NOT NO, BUT HELL NO, I HAVEN'T SIGNED ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. UM, UH, YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED. I'VE WATCHED LOCAL NATIONAL NEWS, BUT I AM VERY MUCH JUST A REGULAR PERSON WITH SIMILAR CONCERNS AND, UM, I WANNA PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND I WANNA STEWARD WELL WHAT WE HAVE AND CARE FOR OUR CITIZENS. SO THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS TODAY AND, AND I'M FOR EXTENDING THIS MORATORIUM. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE. IT LOOKS LIKE THE... I MEAN, WITHOUT AN EMERGENCY, IT WOULD STILL TAKE EFFECT BEFORE THE PREVIOUS ONE RUNS OUT. SO DO WE ACTUALLY NEED THAT? SO SORT OF THE NATURE OF MORATORIUMS IS THAT YOU'RE ACTING WITH, YOU KNOW, A, A SENSE OF URGENCY. UM, SO I, I WOULD STILL RECOMMEND, YES, THAT IT BE ADOPTED WITH EMERGENCY. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE UNLESS THERE'S MORE COMMENT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EMERGENCY CLAUSE. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION AND SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. AND FOR THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS, EMOTION, EMERGENCY CLAUSE JUST MEANS IT TAKES EFFECT IMMEDIATELY VERSUS IN 30 DAYS, RIGHT? THANKS. I NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO [4. Recess of the Edmond City Council Meeting and Call to Order of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting.] RECESS THE EDMOND CITY COUNCIL MEETING, CALL TO ORDER THE EDMOND PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING. SO MOVED. SORRY. GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. WE'RE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING. [00:45:01] ITEM [A. Edmond Electric Substations:] 5A, EDMOND ELECTRIC SUBSTATIONS. WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT FIVE SUB ITEMS IN HERE. UM... MAYOR, COUNCIL, GLENN FISHER, DIRECTOR OF EDMOND ELECTRIC. UM, I'LL JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH ALL FIVE OF THESE. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS A CONSIDERATION OF A SUPPLEMENTAL AUTHORIZATION FOR $4 MILLION. UM, 1.1, 1,177,000 OF THAT WILL BE FOR THE ARCADIA WATER TREATMENT PLANT SUBSTATION PROJECT. THAT WILL BE ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THAT PROJECT. UH, $943,000 WOULD BE FOR THE BERGET EXPANSION. THAT IS A PROJECT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR 20 - FISCAL YEAR 2028. WE DECIDED BECAUSE OF LOAD GROWTH OUT IN THAT AREA WITH LEGACY AND OTHER PROJECTS COMING ON, WE WANTED TO ACCELERATE THAT PROJECT TO PROVIDE RELIABLE SERVICE IN THAT AREA OF TOWN. UH, THE BURGETT SUBSTATION SETS OFF OF AIR DEPOT, UH, JUST NORTH OF COVALE BOULEVARD. UM, THE REMAINING, UH, $1,880,000, WE EXPECT SOME OTHER EXPENSES TO COME IN THAT WE DID NOT BUDGET FOR, FOR THESE TWO PROJECTS. UH, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEND THAT MONEY TO MOVE FORWARD, KEEP THOSE PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE LEAD TIMES FOR MATERIAL HAS INCREASED, UH, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. SO WE WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE MATERIALS AS NEEDED TO MOVE THESE PROJECTS FORWARD. UH, THE SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL O - UH, APPROPRIATION IS FOR, UH, $62,000. IN 2025, WE HAD A BID FROM VIRGINIA TRANSFORMER FOR THREE TRANSFORMERS WITH AN OPTION FOR A FOURTH. UM, WE PURCHASED THREE TRANSFORMERS. THEY WERE $1.578 MILLION. UM, IN THE MEANTIME, WITH THAT OPTION FOR THE FOURTH, WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT OPTION. THIS WOULD BE FOR THE GOWER SUBSTATION, WHICH SITS UP BY REDBUD ELEMENTARY. UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A NEW SUBSTATION BECAUSE OF THE LEAD TIME WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD ON THIS TRANSFORMER. INSTEAD OF REBIDDING, THEY OFFERED US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPTION FOUR, BUT THE PRICE INCREASED BY THE $62,840. THIS SUPPLEMENTAL AUTHORIZATION WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO MEET THE, UH, NEW COST THAT VIRGINIA QUOTED US. UH, ANY QUESTION ON 02 SUPPLEMENTALS? ITEMS THREE AND FOUR WOULD BE FOR THE ACTUAL ENGINEERING SERVICES THROUGH BURNS & MCDONNELL. UM, FIRST ONE, AS I MENTIONED, IS THE $1,177,000 FOR THE, UH, ARCADIA WATER TREATMENT PLANT SUBSTATION. SECOND ONE IS THE 943 FOR THE BURGER SUBSTATION THAT WILL ACTUALLY ACCEPT THE, UH, TASK ORDERS FROM BURNS & MACK TO MOVE THAT ENGINEERING DESIGN PIECE FORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE TWO ITEMS? LAST ONE, NUMBER FIVE. UM, IF YOU RECALL, WE RECEIVED A, UM, $4 MILLION THROUGH THE HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT HUD COMMUNITY PROJECT FUNDING PROGRAM. UH, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE ARCADIA SUBSTATION. UM, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO ACTUALLY PRESU - PURSUE THOSE FUNDS, AND COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THAT APPLICATION. UH, THIS WILL GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. UM, I DO EXPECT THAT WHOLE PROJECT TO COST ABOUT SIX TO SIX AND A HALF MILLION, SO IT WILL NOT FUND THE ENTIRE ARCADIA SUBSTATION PROJECT, BUT IT WILL GIVE US A GOOD START ON THAT PROJECT. UM, WE HAVE TILL 2034 TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT. WE'LL BE... WE SHOULD BE DONE AND PLENTY OF TIME TO MEET THAT DEADLINE FOR THIS APPLICATION, BUT WE WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU ONCE WE'VE RECEIVED THE AUTHORIZATION FROM HUD. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I JUST HAD A COUPLE, UM, JUST TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE DETAILS. IT'S A LOT. UH, SO THE, UM... IT SOUNDS LIKE A BIG PART OF THIS IS TRYING TO KIND OF GET AHEAD OF INFLATION BY DOING THINGS NOW VERSUS LATER. IS THAT TRUE? PART OF OUR CONCERN, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, VIRGINIA JUST... WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THEM ABOUT IF WE REBID THIS, THEIR DELIVERY TIME ON A TRANSFORMER WOULD BE TWO TO THREE YEARS. OKAY. AND CURRENTLY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT 56 WEEKS FOR THIS OPTION - OKAY. THIS OPTION ON THIS. SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOMETHING FASTER TOO. IT GETS US INTO THE QUEUE, THEIR PRODUCTION QUEUE RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF WAITING TILL GETTING ON THE BACK END OF THAT PRODUCTION QUEUE. OKAY. BUT THIS WASN'T THE PLAN, IT WAS JUST IN A FUTURE YEAR? IT WAS A FUTURE YEAR. WE JUST HAD ACCELERATED BECAUSE WE STARTED LOOKING AT LOAD GROWTH IN THAT AREA. UH, THE GARBER SUBSTATION CURRENTLY SERVES THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. WE WANT A DEDICATED SUBSTATION FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 19 MEGAWATTS OF LOAD. WE'RE EXPANDING GARBER ALREADY. THAT'S... WE'VE ALREADY GOT APPROVAL ON THAT. WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PROJECT. THAT SERVES LIKE, UH, UH, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, INTEGRIS FACILITY, ET CETERA. SO WE WANT A BIG, A SOLID SYSTEM TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THOSE LOADS AND ALSO ACCOUNT FOR GROWTH OUT IN THAT AREA. OKAY. AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT THE PACKET, THE UNSPENT RESERVE BALANCE LOOKED REALLY HIGH TO ME. DOES THAT INCLUDE, LIKE, SOME BOND MONEY OR... IT, IT, [00:50:01] UH, YEAH, IT DOES. WE DO HAVE BOND MONEY OUT THERE. SOME OF THESE WILL BE BOND FUNDED. THE BERGET WILL BE BOND FUNDED. OKAY. WE'LL ACTUALLY, UH, ULTIMATELY PULL THAT FROM BONDS, BUT I JUST NEED THE AUTHORIZATION ON IT NOW. IT'S NOT ONE WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE BOND PACKAGE WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD BECAUSE WE HADN'T C- CONTEMPLATED IT AT THE TIME WE ISSUED THOSE BONDS. OKAY. BUT THE BONDS DO JUST COVER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, NUMBER FIVE, IS IT RELATED? IT, IT DOESN'T OFFSET ONE THROUGH FOUR, RIGHT? IT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE THING? IT, IT IS RELATED TO THE ARCADIA SUBSTATION. IT WILL - OKAY. IT WILL REIMBURSE THOSE FUNDS, BUT WE HAVE TO SPEND THE FUNDS AND THEN THEY WILL REIMBURSE US AFTER THE FACT. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, IN TERMS OF THE CONTINGENCY WITHIN THE FOUR MILLION, I GUESS YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR BUDGET APPROVAL. IF YOU WANNA GO DO... PUT THOSE ON CONTRACT FOR SOMETHING, YOU WOULD COME BACK TO US FOR THAT PART, RIGHT? YES, WE WILL COME BACK. PART OF THAT IS THE UNCERTAINTY ON THE DELIVERY AND LEAD TIMES FOR SOME OF THE OTHER MATERIALS WE NEED FOR THE SUBSTATION PROJECTS. OKAY. BUT IT GIVES YOU THE BUDGET FLEXIBILITY YOU NEED TO GO PURSUE THOSE. YEAH. I WANNA BE ABLE TO MOVE ON AND IF WE CAN GET THEM IN A TIMELY MANNER, UM, IF, IF WE CAN'T, WE'LL JUST PUSH IT OFF INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. SEEMS FINE TO ME. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT TO KINDA TIE ALL THIS TOGETHER, UM, BECAUSE THE $4 MILLION AWARD WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, FUNDING PROJECT MONEY. THAT ONE IS HUGE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO BUILD A SUBSTATION RIGHT THERE AT THE WATER PLANT. YES. WHICH MEANS WE'VE GOT DEDICATED ELECTRICITY THERE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. AND THEN IT ALSO SERVES AS A BACKUP IF WE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE OTHER TWO SUBSTATIONS EAST OF THE INTERSTATE, RIGHT? YES, IT GIVES US SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY OUT THERE AS WELL - OKAY. THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTTAGE OF. I MEAN, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE LOGIC OF GOING AFTER THAT MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF ANYTHING HAPPENED, WE'D KEEP THE WATER PLANT RUNNING. YES. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE OUT OF ALL THIS, IS KNOWING THAT AS WE CONTINUE THAT WATER PLANT EXPANSION, THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WAY TO KEEP THE WATER FLOWING. YES. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? WE NEED TO START WITH A1. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 5A1. I'VE GOT A MOTION. SECOND. AND A SECOND. CAST A VOTE. MR. MAYOR, 5A2, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. MOTION PASSES 5-0. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 5A3. SECOND. GOT A MOTION TO SECOND AND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 5A4. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. MR. MAYOR, 5A5, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND AND CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. WE'RE NOW ON TO [B. KickingBird Golf:] 5B, KICKING BIRD GOLF COURSE. THERE ARE TWO ITEMS HERE, CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION FROM SERIES 2021B BOND FUND PROCEEDINGS TO THE KICKING BIRD GOLF ADMINISTRATION'S BUDGET FOR LAND BETTERMENTS, $158,840, AND CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF BID DISPO- DISPOSITION FOR KICKING BIRD GOLF PARKING LOT, $138,122. MR. SORENSEN? HONOR- HONORABLE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, BRIAN SORENSEN, DIRECTOR OF GOLF AT KICKING BIRD GOLF. UM, BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, THERE'S TWO ITEMS. UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WANNA THANK CITY MANAGER AJ KREGER AND FOR KATHY AND THE FINANCE TEAM FOR FINDING THESE PROCEEDS, UM, THAT CAN HELP FUND THIS PARKING LOT PROJECT. JUST TO BE, BE A BRIEF BACKGROUND TO THIS PROJECT, I WAS HERE BEFORE YOU SEPTEMBER OF 2025 SEEKING, UM, THE PICKLEBALL WAS GONNA PUT SOME MONEY TOWARDS A PARKING LOT, AND THEN WE WERE GONNA FUND THE REMAINING BALANCE. UM, AND AFTER THAT ITEM WENT OVER THE $100,000 THRESHOLD, WE NEEDED TO PUT THIS PARKING LOT PROJECT OUT FOR BID. AND THIS PARKING LOT PROJECT, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN OUT TO KICKING BIRD, [00:55:01] UM, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME PARKING LOT ISSUES SINCE WE HAVE BEEN REOPENED SINCE 2023, WHICH IS A GREAT PROBLEM TO HAVE, BUT WITH BUSY GOLF AND EVENTS IN THE EVENT CENTER, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME PARKING ISSUES. SO BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, THE FIRST ITEM IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION FROM THE 2021 B BOND FUND PROCEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO OUR 750 ACCOUNT FOR LAND BETTERMENTS. AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF A BID DISPOSITION FOR THE KICKING BIRD GOLF PARKING LOT PROJECT. THIS PARKING LOT PROJECT ENCOMPASSES 30 SPACES, AGAIN, JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE COVERED PICKLEBALL BUBBLE. UM, THERE WOULD BE ENTRY JUST SLIGHTLY EAST OF THE CURRENT PICKLEBALL BUBBLE, UM, AND THOSE DRAWINGS ARE THERE FOR YOU. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A 30 ADDITIONAL SPACES, WHICH IS FOR KICKING BIRD GOLF EMPLOYEE PARKING AND EVENT PARKING AS WELL. SO THESE ARE THE TWO ITEMS. THANK YOU. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? GOLF BOARD APPROVE THESE, PRO? YES, THEY ARE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THESE. I THINK, UH, PEOPLE WILL BE EXCITED TO HAVE MORE PARKING THERE FOR SURE. THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR ETHAN, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY HE CAME DOWN TO THE FRONT. IT'S... I ASSUME WE'RE GOING DOWN A BOND ROUTE VERSUS RESERVES ROUTE HERE, JUST BEING SMART ABOUT COST OF MONEY OR AVAILABILITY. UH, YES, BUT ALSO THE BOND PROCEEDS HAVE A BIT MORE RESTRICTED USE ON THEM. ONE OF THE ALLOWABLE USES IS THE GOLF COURSE. OKAY. AND SO WE'RE IN A LARGER EFFORT TO SPEND DOWN THE BOND PROCEEDS THAT WE'VE BEEN, UM, FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE ISSUED. WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND WE, WE FOUND THAT IT WAS QUALIFIED USE FOR THE PROJECT FUNDS. IT'S, IT'S A LOWER RATE THAN WE COULD BORROW ON TODAY. CORRECT. YEAH, THIS IS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A NEW BORROWING, THIS IS JUST EXPENDING PREVIOUSLY BORROWED MONEY THAT WE HAVE NOT EXPENDED TO THIS POINT. OKAY. WHICH ALLOWS US TO USE RESERVES FOR OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE MORE PRESSING. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? MOVE APPROVAL, MAYOR. UH, B1. SECOND. WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. MR. MAYOR, I'D MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM B2. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. WE'RE NOW [6. Public Works Authority General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Public Works Authority. Members of the Public Works Authority may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.] ON TO PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY GENERAL CONSENT ITEMS. UH, THERE ARE SEVEN ITEMS THIS EVENING. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PULL ITEM 6D FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE PULLED? SEEING NONE, I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE 6A, B, C, E, F, G. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM 7A, [A. Consideration of Public Works Authority General Consent Agenda Items Pulled for Separate Discussion and/or Action.] WHICH TAKES US BACK TO 6D, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE WITH SURVEYING AND MAPPING LLC FOR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE SURVEY PHASE TWO IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,329,700. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. STEVEN LAWRENCE, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM HAS TO DO WITH OUR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS OF THE DRAINAGE UTILITY IS TO HAVE A ROBUST ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, AND IN ORDER TO DO SO, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE ASSETS ARE AND WHAT CONDITION THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN. UM, MANY OF THE AREAS IN OLDER EDMOND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. SO THIS INITIATIVE BEGAN LAST YEAR, UH, WITH PHASE ONE, UH, WHERE WE HIRED, UH, THIS, THIS COMPANY TO, UH, SURVEY ALL OF THE EXISTING STORM SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN KIND OF THE THREE SQUARE MILES OF KIND OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UH, AS WELL AS DO A CONTIN - CONDITION ASSESSMENT OF ALL THE PIPES AND, AND SEE WHAT MATERIAL THEY ARE, WHAT CONDITION THEY'RE IN. UM, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THAT. THEY FOUND A LOT OF THINGS WE DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD, UH, AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT PROGRAM, UH, TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT FOUR SQUARE MILES OF OLD, OLD PARTS OF EDMOND THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR GIS SYSTEM FOR. ANY QUESTIONS? I ASKED TO PULL THIS ONE MAINLY JUST TO HIGHLIGHT... TO THE PUBLIC THAT THIS WAS [01:00:01] HAPPENING. UM, I THINK IT'S... GIS IS USING GPS TECHNOLOGY TO APPLY SOME MORE, UM, UH, HIGHER QUALITY MAPPING, I GUESS, OF OUR CITY AND THEN ASSET TRACKING OF VARIOUS THINGS. IN THE WRITE-UP HERE, IT SAID PHASE ONE OF THIS WAS THREE SQUARE MILES. SO JUST IN THREE SQUARE MILES, WE WERE ABLE TO ADD 850 NEW FEATURES TO OUR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE INVENTORY. SO IT'S TELLING US A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONT - THE TEXTURE AND CONTOUR OF OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM. AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S A NEAT THING. I THINK IT'S A NEAT THING TO HIGHLIGHT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, THAT WE'RE KIND OF ON A LONG RANGE PATH TO MAP ALL THIS OUT, TO IMPROVE OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM IN EDMOND, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YEARS AND YEARS AND, AND YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T DO SO WELL, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE SOME ISSUES. SO, UM, YEAH, JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AND THEN, UH, AND THEN I WAS GONNA ASK STEVE AS WELL, WHICH ACCOUNT THIS WAS COMING OUT OF. IT HAD A NUMBER, BUT NOT A NAME. IS IT DRAINAGE RESERVES? IT'S DRAINAGE UTILITY. YEAH. OKAY. UM, CONSULTING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, YES. OKAY. AND WAS THERE BUDGET AUTHORITY ALREADY FOR THIS? THERE WASN'T A - YES. THERE WAS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, MOTION TO APPROVE UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS. MOTION. SECOND. SECOND MOTION. SECOND. AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, STEVE. YEP. MOTION PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, MR. LAWRENCE. MM-HMM. WE'RE NOW ON [B. Consideration of Approval and Authorizing the Mayor to Execute a Contract for Purchase of Real Estate for Regional Stormwater Detention Located in the Vicinity of Edmond Road and North Kelly Avenue; $1,400,000.00 Plus Estimated Closing Costs of $10,000.00, Total of $1,410,000.00. (Ward 3)] ITEM 7B, CONSIDERATION APPROVAL, UH, AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT FOR PURCHASE OF REAL ESTATE FOR REGIONAL STORMWATER DETENTION LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF EDMOND ROAD AND NORTH KELLY AVENUE, THE AMOUNT OF $1,400,000 PLUS ESTIMATED CLOSING COSTS OF $10,000, TOTAL OF $1,410,000. SO, UH, ONE OF THE OLDER AREAS OF EDMOND IS, UH, KIND OF BETWEEN THE LIMITS OF THE RAILROAD AND KELLY AND HEARD STREET AND PROBABLY ABOUT 4TH STREET TO THE SOUTH OF EDMOND ROAD. UH, OLDER AREA IN, IN EDMOND THAT WAS DEVELOPED BEFORE KIND OF MODERN STORM SEWER SYSTEMS. IT'S AN AREA THAT HAS HAD, UH, QUITE A FEW ISSUES WITH, WITH STORMWATER RUNOFF IN THE PAST. UM, AND SO IT'S A, IT'S, UH, WE'VE HAD A STUDY THAT BEGAN IN 2022 TO LOOK AT THIS AREA. UM, IT CAME BACK, SAID WE NEEDED MORE DETENTION AND, YOU KNOW, PIPES AND STORM SEWER UNLESS TO, TO GET THE WATER INTO IT. UM, SO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT, THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE STUDY FOR, UH, DETENTION, UH, WAS ONE THAT, UH, IS, IS THE ONE SHOWN IN THE, UH, AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT. WE CONTACTED THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THIS AND WE HAD A WILLING SELLER FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT, UM, IN ORDER TO... SO THIS, WHAT THE PURCHASE OF THIS LAND WILL DO IS IT WILL ALLOW US TO PUT IN MUCH SMALLER STORM SEWER, UH, OVERALL AS FAR AS WE WERE GOING TO DO A LOT OF DETENTION UNDER ROADS. UH, WE'RE GONNA DO DETENTION UNDER A LOT OF OTHER AREAS. THIS IS THE MOST EFFICIENT ECONOMICAL WAY TO DO THAT DETENTION, AND IT'S THE LOWEST COST OVERALL. SO, UM, LOOKING AT THIS INDIVIDUAL PARCEL, WE'RE GONNA MAXIMIZE THE USE FOR STORMWATER DETENTION. IF THERE'S ANY AREA LEFT OVER ON THE FRONTAGE OF KELLY THAT WE CAN AUCTION OIL OFF OR, OR GET SOME KIND OF, UH, BENEFICIAL USE UP THERE, WE WILL. BUT THE INTENT TO BEGIN WITH IS JUST STORMWATER DETENTION. QUESTIONS? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? UH, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHAT, THIS ONE JUST HAD A ACCOUNT NUMBER TOO. SO IS THIS ALSO COMING OUT OF DRAINAGE RESERVES? THIS IS COMING OUT DRAINAGE OUT OF THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET. YEAH. RIGHT HERE. OKAY. AND, UH, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THERE'S A STATEMENT IN HERE ABOUT OVERALL PROJECT COST IS 20 MILLION. IS, IS THIS AVERTING OR, UM, MITIGATING SOME OF THAT COST OR IS THIS STEP ONE OF THAT 20 MILLION? IT'S, IT'S BOTH. IT'S STEP ONE OF THE 20 MILLION. UM, AND SO THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS OUTLINED EARLY ON WILL BE ABOUT DOUBLE THE PRICE OF, OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. WE'LL SAVE IN INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH. SO IT'S STILL A LONG-TERM EXPENSIVE THING TO GET WATER OUT OF THIS AREA. YES. THIS STEP ALLOWS US TO DO THE FIRST PART CHEAPER. YES. OKAY. YEAH. THAT SEEMS SMART. THIS IS LIKE CITY ENGINEERING AND WORK RIGHT HERE, STUFF PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT MAKE THEIR LIFE BETTER. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING ON THIS AND BEING INNOVATIVE WITH THIS SOLUTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND MAYOR. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. SHE HAD COMMENT, I THINK. THIS IS A CONSIDERATION ITEM. IT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION PASSES 5-0. [01:05:05] WE ARE... I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION [8. Adjournment of the Edmond Public Works Authority Meeting and Reconvene the Edmond City Council Meeting.] TO ADJOURN THE ADMIN PUBLIC WORKS AUTHORITY MEETING AND RECONVENE THE EDMUND CITY COUNCIL MEETING. SO MOVED, MAYOR. WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. NOW ON ITEM NINE, [9. City Council General Consent Items: Items listed under General Consent are usually approved as a group with the proper motion from a member of the Council. Members of the Council may pull any item under General Consent for separate discussion and/or action.] CITY COUNCIL GENERAL CONSENT. WE HAVE 13 ITEMS TONIGHT. I HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED TO PULL ANY FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? MOTION TO APPROVE. COUNCIL GENERAL CONSENT DOCKET. SECOND. GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO. WE'RE NOW ON TO ITEM 10. CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION ITEMS. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING PULLED, SO WE'RE ON TO ITEM 11, [11. Executive Sessions and Action Items:] EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAVE MULTIPLE ITEMS HERE. UH, CAN WE JUST BUNDLE THE THINGS WE NEED TO DISCUSS IN THE BACK AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE OTHER ITEMS? SO YOU WOULD NEED MOTIONS TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR EACH OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS AND THEN THEY CAN ALL BE DISCUSSED AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE ACTION ITEMS FOLLOWING. SO THEN WE NEED... SO THEN WE NEED A MOTION FOR ITEM 11A AND... MAYOR, THERE IS ONLY ONE EXECUTIVE SESSION. EVERYTHING. WE'RE GONNA DO ONE EXECUTIVE SESSION. YES. 11A. AND HANDLE ALL THE ITEMS IN IT. ALL THE OTHER ITEMS WOULD BE AFTERWARDS. THERE'S ONLY ONE EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. GOT IT. SO I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. I MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. WE'RE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE WILL BE BACK. ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RETURN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO MOVED. SECOND. I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES. WE'RE BACK IN SESSION. ITEM 11B IS CONSIDERATION OF ACTION WITH REGARD TO THE EMPLOYMENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY. MR. MAYOR, IN ACCORDANCE WITH 11B, I'D MAKE MOTION TO CONCLUDE EMPLOYMENT IN A - WITH CITY ATTORNEY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 4A1 OF THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT DATED DECEMBER 11, 2023. I HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 3-2. 11-C, CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF ADDITIONAL TRANSITION BENEFITS LETTER AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING ADDITIONAL BENEFITS AND COMPENSATION TO BE PAID BY THE CITY IN AN AMOUNT TO BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND DIRECTING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND DELIVER AN ADDITIONAL TRANSITION BENEFITS LETTER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. MR. MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO DELIVER TRANSITION AGREEMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING REVISIONS. DELETE SECTION 2C, AMEND SECTION 3D1, REFERRING TO, REFER TO OUTSIDE COUNSEL IN PLACE OF MAYOR. AMEND SECTION 3E1 TO REFER TO HUMAN RESOURCES IN PLACE OF MAYOR. SECOND. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. WE ARE NOW ON ITEM 11D, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTING LAURA K. MCDEVITT WITH WILLIAMS BOX FORSHEE AND BULLARD PC AS INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY. MR. MAYOR, SO, UH, I WOULD MOVE TO APPOINT LAURA MCDEVITT AS INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. ITEM 11E IS DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT WITH LAURA K. MCDEVITT AND WILLIAMS BOX FORSHEE AND BULLARD PC TO PROVIDE SERVICES AS INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY IN AN AMOUNT TO BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS, RIGHT? SO GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. LET ME... [01:10:10] TWO MONTHS. IS THAT BEING WISHFUL THINKING HERE GUYS? TWO MONTHS? I MEAN, THAT WOULD GET US THREE, 90 DAYS. IF WE WENT 90 DAYS, I MEAN, IF WE GET, IF WE GET THERE BEFORE THEN, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA SPEND THE MONEY, RIGHT? SO- SO IF WE SAY 120, DOES THAT GIVE US WIGGLE ROOM ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD? OR IS IT 90, OR IS 90 THE PREFERRED NUMBER? SO, SO AS THE AGREEMENT IS DRAFTED, IT IS, UH, FOR A FINITE SUM AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, INTERIM SER - INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY SERVICES ARE NEEDED. SO IF YOU WERE TO APPOINT, UM, A CITY ATTORNEY ON A PERMANENT BASIS, THEN THE CONTRACT WOULD CONCLUDE. SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A DOLLAR AMOUNT. RIGHT. AND IF WE DID LIKE 90 DAYS, ROUGHLY HALFTIME, WHICH IS ABOUT WHAT YOU... IS THAT ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING? YEP. UH, ROUGHLY, YES. SO IF WE SAID 90,000, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY HIGH, BUT IF WE SAID 90,000, WE'D, I THINK WE'D BE COMFORTABLE THERE. AND IF WE DON'T SPEND IT, WE DON'T SPEND IT. YEAH, I'D RATHER BE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE TO GIVE OURSELVES SO WE'RE NOT RUSHING WITH WHATEVER HAPPENS NEXT. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? OKAY. DOES THAT WORK? ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN THE FORM OF A MOTION SOMEWHERE? YEAH, WE NEED A MOTION BASICALLY WITH WHAT E SAYS WITH THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF $90,000, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONE, THE ONLY... THERE'S A BLANK SPOT IN THE CONTRACT. SO 90 IS ABOUT THREE MONTHS? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YEAH, ROUGHLY AT HALFTIME. I MEAN, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER 90 DAYS IS NOT 90 BUSINESS DAYS. YEAH. SO UNLESS WE'RE DRAGGING HER IN ON A WEEKEND FOR SOMETHING. CHRISTMAS. UM, I, I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS A LITTLE MORE JUST SO WE'RE NOT RUSHING THROUGH. I'M JUST THINKING BACK TO HOW LONG OTHER... HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG TOO. DO THIS PROCESS, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY COUPLE MONTHS. SO WHAT DO YOU WANNA SAY? UM, I DON'T KNOW. FOUR TO SIX PROBABLY IS WHERE I WOULD GO. 120K. 120K? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T... THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE EITHER GONNA, WE'RE EITHER GONNA HAVE SOMEONE HIRED OR WE'RE NOT. AND IF WE'RE, WE HIRE SOMEONE, WE'RE NOT PAYING OUT THAT FULL AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO MR. MAYOR, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A DOLLAR FIGURE ON ITEM 11E. I AM. I WOULD SUGGEST, OR I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT THAT DOLLAR FIGURE BE $120,000. SO MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT AT A MAXIMUM OF 120,000? YES, SIR. THAT'S MY MOTION. SECOND. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM 11F, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF ACTIONS RELATED TO THE RECRUITMENT OF A CITY ATTORNEY, INCLUDING DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF SEEKING RE- RECRUITMENT SERVICES FROM A PRE - PROFESSIONAL FIRM TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT A FUTURE MEETING OR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF DIRECTING STAFF TO POST A JOB VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT, OPEN AN APPLICATION PROCESS, AND OTHERWISE DIRECTING WHEN APPLICATIONS ARE DUE, WHO APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO, WHAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND/OR RECRUITMENT MATERIALS TO INCLUDE, AND WHERE ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THE VACANCY SHOULD BE PLACED. SO WHERE IS MS. PIERCE? YOU WANNA COME UP AND TELL US WHAT WE DID THE LAST TIME WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SO MANY VACANCIES IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, RIGHT, TOO? SO WHAT DID WE DO LAST TIME? SO LAST TIME WE DID PUT OUT A PUBLICATION. WE DID NOT USE AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM. WE HAD APPLICATIONS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE. WE ADVERTISED TO MINIMUM OML, OMPA, PLACES LIKE THAT. UM, THEY WERE DIRECTED TO THE CITY, UH, DIRECTOR OF HR, LISA GOODPASTURE AT THE TIME. AND THEN THEY WERE VETTED WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AT THAT TIME. DIDN'T WE, DIDN'T WE LIMIT IT, LIMIT APP- APPLICANTS TO THOSE THAT ARE LICENSED TO PRACTICE IN OKLAHOMA? YES, WE DID. Y'ALL LIKE THAT PATH? PARDON? YOU LIKE THE PATH THAT - YEAH. MS. PIERCE JUST DESCRIBED? I MEAN, YEAH. SO CAN I GET A MOTION THEN? WOULD THAT MOTION BE THE PATH THAT MS. PIERCE DESCRIBED? OUR, OUR CITY CLERK IS GETTING READY TO WEIGH IN OVER HERE. YEAH, IT IS. IT'S OKAY. TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE AND TALK TO US. SO, UM, I, I THINK JUST FOR CLARITY OF EXPECTATIONS FOR STAFF, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW... IT, IT [01:15:01] SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO GO THROUGH, UM, A RECRUITMENT PROCESS TO, UM, PUT OUT THE MATERIALS AND, AND - OKAY. SOLICIT APPLICATIONS. I GET IT. YEAH. UM, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW HOW LONG YOU WANT TO KN - HOW LONG YOU WANT THAT, UM, APPLICATION PROCESS TO STAY OPEN, OR IF YOU WOULD JUST LIKE IT TO STAY OPEN AND JUST KEEP REVIEWING APPLICATIONS AS THEY COME IN. OKAY, THEN WHAT ACTION WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN TO CLOSE THAT PERIOD? UM, WELL, THERE, THERE'S KIND OF TWO, TWO OPTIONS IN MY VIEW. THERE, THERE MIGHT BE OTHERS, BUT ONE, YOU COULD JUST SAY THAT THE PRIORITY DEADLINE IS WHATEVER DATE WE WANNA SET, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR - OKAY. SO WOULD A MOTION BE IN ORDER IF I READ DIRECTLY FROM THIS AGENDA CONSIDERATION OF DIRECTING CITY STAFF TO POST A JOB VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT, OPENING AN APPLICATION PROCESS, AND OTHERWISE DIRECTING WHEN APPLICANTS ARE DUE, WHO APPLICANTS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO, WHAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND RECRUIT MATERIALS TO INCLUDE AND WH - AND WHERE... IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? SO IN ESSENCE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE EACH INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS, BUT I, I THINK IS... IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH US USING THE SAME MATERIALS WE USED LAST TIME - I AM. A REVISED VERSION, I THINK THE ONLY CLARITY WE NEED SPECIFICALLY IS THE TIMELINE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO OPERATE IN. WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE ON THE TIMELINE? 60 DAYS, WHAT DO WE NORMALLY DO? 30 DAYS? FOR AN EXECUTIVE POSITION, THREE HOURS. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. MS. PIERCE, IS 60 DAYS ENOUGH FOR YOU? I, YEAH, I THINK 60, 60 DAYS IS FINE. IS THAT TOO MUCH? YOU'VE GOT THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP. I, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT YOU, YOU MIGHT IDENTIFY A PRIORITY DEADLINE BECAUSE THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THE AREA MIGHT BE PUSHED TO DO THAT WITHOUT CLOSING IT. UM, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION FOR YOU THAT'S OFTEN USED IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE. THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GO AHEAD IF WE HAD SOME QUALITY CANDIDATES TO INTERVIEW THEM AND WE COULD ALWAYS SHUT DOWN THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS THEN. SO, SO WOULD THIS BE, I GUESS, JUST SO WE DISCUSS THIS OPENLY IN, IN THE MEETING, ANY CONSIDERATION, ANY DISCUSSION ON, DO WE USE A SEARCH FIRM? DO WE HAVE ASSISTANCE IN THAT RESPECT? I, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T SEE ANY REAL NEED FOR IT BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, YOU GOTTA BE LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW IN OKLAHOMA, AND IF WE USE TOOLS LIKE RECRUITING THROUGH OML, WORD IS GONNA GET OUT THERE ALL OVER THE STATE VERY QUICKLY THAT WE'RE LOOKING. AND THAT'S WHERE A BIG SOURCE OF OUR APPLICANTS WOULD COME FROM, IF NOT ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS. I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO THAT ARE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE THAT HAVE WANDERED INTO ANOTHER STATE, BUT... IF YOU WANT AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM, THEN WE HAVE TO DO AN RFQ. YEAH. AND THAT PUSHES YOU BACK EVEN FURTHER. YEAH. OKAY. SO, MR. MAYOR, WOULD A PROPER MOTION BE TO DIRECT STAFF UTILIZING THE, THE DOCUMENTS AND PROCEDURES FROM THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR A CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE OPTIMUM RESPONSE TIME WOULD BE 60 DAYS FROM NOW. IS THAT FAIR OR, OR... I MEAN, LOOK, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK IN HERE AND CHANGE THAT THING. LET'S JUST GET SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS TONIGHT. YOU'RE SAYING NO - SURE. AND SHE'S SAYING YES. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? I'M NOT SAYING. WELL, AS... I THOUGH I HEARD 60 DAYS WAS A GRACIOUS PLENTY. AND THEN WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TETHERED TO 60 DAYS, BUT WE COULD AT LEAST HAVE THE, IT, IT... THE PRIORITY WOULD BE 60 DAYS. IS THAT FAIR? THAT'S FAIR. I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY FAR OUT. IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA DO A PRIORITY DEADLINE OF MAYBE THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT DOESN'T CLOSE IT. IT JUST MEANS THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GONNA S - THAT WHEN YOU'RE GONNA START REVIEW. I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO THE PRIORITY DEADLINES AT THE END OF 2026. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, MS. PIERCE. WELCOME. ITEM 12, [12. Comments from the Mayor and Members of the City Council.] COMMENTS FROM THE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ANY COMMENTS? I'VE GOT A COMMENT. UM, I DO... I JUST WANT TO THANK MADELINE SAWYER FOR HER SERVICE TO THE CITY. UM, THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY, BUT I, I WOULD BE REMISS TO NOT THANK SOMEONE FOR SERVICE AND SACRIFICE, AND [01:20:01] I APPRECIATE HER. I APPRECIATE HER FAMILY. UM, SO ON ANOTHER NOTE, UH, TODAY, MY DAUGHTER WENT ON A FIELD TRIP TO THE FIRE SAFETY VILLAGE, AND IT WAS A LOT OF FUN. AND, UM, BEFORE I CAME TO CITY COUNCIL, I WAS HOLDING... SHE'S A QUITE LARGE CHILD, BUT I WAS HOLDING HER UP SO SHE COULD TEST OUR, UH, SMOKE DETECTOR- DETECTORS. SO I THINK AN INVESTMENT LIKE THAT TO SUPPORT OUR FIRE STATIONS IN OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IN A WAY THAT EVEN THE YOUNGEST CITIZENS ARE ALREADY LEARNING SAFETY, UM, ABOUT SMOKE DETECTORS, CROSSING THE ROAD, HOW TO GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSE IF THERE'S A FIRE. I JUST REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATED THAT TODAY AND HAD A GREAT TIME WITH MY DAUGHTER, AND IT'S A GREAT MEMORY. SO JUST WANTED TO, WANTED TO MENTION THAT. I TOO WOULD LIKE... I TOO WOULD LIKE TO THANK MS. SAWYER FOR HER SERVICE TO THE CITY. AND ON ANOTHER NOTE, UH, WEDNESDAY IS VETERANS DAY AND EDMOND'S A VETERAN TOWN, VETERAN CITY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF OUR VETERANS. UH, SEVERAL OF US HAD A CHANCE TO VISIT CARMEL, INDIANA LAST WEEK. AND SO, UM, WAS THAT LAST WEEK? GOT SOME GOOD IDEAS. WE WENT UP THERE TO, TO TALK WITH OUR CITY ABOUT BEST PRACTICES, TO SEE HOW THINGS OPERATE, HOW THINGS HAPPENED. AND I THOUGH IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE VISIT. UM, I SPOKE ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT IN THE CITY SOURCE PODCAST IF ANY OF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO LISTEN TO, UM, MY THOUGHTS ON, BRIEF THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE DID AND HOW IT KIND OF MIGHT APPLY TO WHAT WE'RE, UH, WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN EDMOND. AND THEN THERE MAY BE SOME MORE COVERAGE COMING OUT ON IT, UH, HERE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. BUT A PRODUCTIVE VISIT AND, UH, APPRECIATE EDA FOR COORDINATING IT. I WOULD SECOND THAT. I THINK, UM, I THINK I SAW MORE THAN I EVEN HAD FAIRLY HIGH EXPECTATIONS OF SEEING. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WERE, WERE IN SOME WAYS HUMBLING TO SEE, AND SOME THINGS THAT, THAT LIFTS YOUR EYES UP TO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER HORIZON OF WHAT, WHAT CAN BE. UM, AND, AND I, I PARTICULARLY, FOR ME, I, I LOVE THAT THE FULL DAY OF SEEING SOME... I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN WRAP MY MIND AROUND SOME OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THE SPORTS VENUES AND THINGS THAT WE SAW. I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE 400 ACRES, 31 SOCCER FIELDS, 26 BASEBALL FIELDS, EIGHT INDOOR LACROSSE AND SOCCER FIELDS ALL IN ONE 400 ACRE COMPLEX. BUT, UM, SO IT WAS AMAZING. UH, I THINK WE MADE A COUPLE REALLY GOOD CONNECTIONS WITH PEOPLE THAT COULD, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, HELP US WITH, WITH SOME OF THAT. SO I THINK IT WAS WORTHWHILE. I'LL WRAP THIS UP TONIGHT. UM, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO THANK MS. SAWYER. SHE HAS, UH, POURED A LOT OF TIME AND TALENT INTO HER POSITION WITH US, AND I WISH HER WELL. UM, MR. MOORE, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT VETERANS DAY ON WEDNESDAY AND JUST LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THERE IS A MEMORIAL SERVICE AT THE CEMETERY AT 10:00. AMERICAN LEGION IS ALSO HAVING A SERVICE AT NOON AT THE AMERICAN LEGION HALL IN STEVENSON PARK. AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER SERVICE IN STEVENSON PARK AT 4:30. I THINK I GOT ALL THAT RIGHT. JENNIFER'S NODDING YES. SO, UH, I WOULD INVITE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS TO ATTEND ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE SERVICES ON WEDNESDAY TO CELEBRATE THE, THE VETERANS IN OUR CITY. AND WITH THAT, I WOULD ENTERTAIN, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND. I GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. CAST YOUR VOTE. WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.